Joe Rogan Experience #2514 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 2:44

   Pre-show banter: travel mishaps, humidity, and thunderstorms over DC

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Hello, Cameron Hanes. We can use headphones or no, we don't need them.

   2. CHCameron Hanes0:15

      Okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      We don't.

   4. CHCameron Hanes0:16

      What, what are you thinking?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      We have to wear your sweet hat.

   6. CHCameron Hanes0:18

      [laughs]

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I don't wanna fuck it up.

   8. CHCameron Hanes0:19

      There you go.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Just got it. Look, we got an American flag, we got a skull, we got camo. What the fuck else do you want?

   10. CHCameron Hanes0:25

       Look at-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Are you American or not?

   12. CHCameron Hanes0:26

       Look at this.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Oh, nice, dude.

   14. CHCameron Hanes0:28

       Socks.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       You're all in for 250.

   16. CHCameron Hanes0:31

       It's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       The 250th anniversary.

   18. CHCameron Hanes0:32

       It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       [laughs]

   20. CHCameron Hanes0:35

       ... so I wear them every day now.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       You only brought one pair or-

   22. CHCameron Hanes0:37

       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... one style?

   24. CHCameron Hanes0:38

       No, one pair of socks and no underwear.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Oh, God, I've done that before.

   26. CHCameron Hanes0:42

       [laughs]

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Where you have to wash your socks in the sink.

   28. CHCameron Hanes0:44

       [laughs]

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       With shampoo.

   30. CHCameron Hanes0:45

       Yeah.
3. 2:44 – 4:25

   Lightning dangers: mountain stories, hair standing up, and “blue sky lightning”

   1. CHCameron Hanes2:44

      Yeah. We, uh... I was... We do the mountains back home, like run them, and there's... We were up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner, last year, and a storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever. It wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling, and you're like, "God, is that coming this way?" And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think, I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      Really?

   3. CHCameron Hanes3:09

      Yes. It can go that... It can go sideways. So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right? Well, me and Tanner were up there and we're still wanting to get to summit and then bomb off. Well, we're up there and he goes, he goes, "Dad," he goes, "Watch." And he had, we had trekking poles, and he had them like this, and they were, they were like ticking, like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:31

      From electricity in the air?

   5. CHCameron Hanes3:31

      Electricity was in his trekking poles. Then we... I said, "Let's get the fuck off this thing." And so we bombed off, and there's these kids down that were like, they said, "Should we go up?" And I said, "I'd wait a little bit." And the girl's hair was standing up.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      Oh, my God.

   7. CHCameron Hanes3:48

      [laughs] Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      Oh, my God. [laughs]

   9. CHCameron Hanes3:50

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       That's so crazy.

   11. CHCameron Hanes3:51

       Yeah. It is nuts.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       Fuck that.

   13. CHCameron Hanes3:53

       Yeah, so they-

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       Oh.

   15. SPSpeaker3:54

       This guy died in Florida last year in what they call blue sky lightning.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       What?

   17. CHCameron Hanes3:59

       What?

   18. SPSpeaker3:59

       Yeah. It can, it jumped from several miles away.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Wow.

   20. SPSpeaker4:04

       He was just down on the beach and it was a blue sky above. Storm was near them.

   21. CHCameron Hanes4:07

       Yeah, and, and I think it can go-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Wow

   23. CHCameron Hanes4:09

       ... I know I looked it up after that, 'cause I was like, "Well, I need to know. I'm in the mountains all the time."

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       His death nonetheless serves as a grim reminder that Florida led the US in both lightning fatalities, 12, and strikes per square mile, 76. Holy shit.

   25. CHCameron Hanes4:24

       Yeah.

4. 4:25 – 6:41

   Florida chaos: alligators, body-cam footage, and the horror of “dinosaur” deaths

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      By the way, did you see that guy in Florida that, uh, he was running from the cops and he got killed by a alligator?

   2. CHCameron Hanes4:30

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      Did you see that one?

   4. CHCameron Hanes4:31

      Uh-uh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      Dude, it's body cam footage.

   6. CHCameron Hanes4:33

      Ooh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      The cop's got the gun out and he's, he's like, "Stop, stop, stop." The guy's running. He's going in the water, and all of a sudden, boom. [laughs] Like right-

   8. CHCameron Hanes4:43

      I'd rather get shot.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      I'd rather get shot. [laughs]

   10. CHCameron Hanes4:45

       [laughs]

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       I'd rather get shot than killed by a fucking dinosaur.

   12. CHCameron Hanes4:47

       Oh, my God.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       If you get shot, you get... The bullet's gonna hurt like fuck. You're gonna be in shock. You're gonna realize you're bleeding out. You're gonna have to say, "I wish I was a better person. I'm gonna miss my family."

   14. CHCameron Hanes4:58

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       But that fucking alligator's gonna take a while to kill you. It's gonna roll with you.

   16. CHCameron Hanes5:02

       Oh, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       It's gonna drag you under the water. You're gonna realize you can't get free. You're gonna try to poke its eyes. It's not gonna work.

   18. CHCameron Hanes5:10

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Fuck.

   20. CHCameron Hanes5:11

       It's gonna be a miserable existence till it's over.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Do you see that one video of a dude, he got attacked by an alligator, uh, lost his arm. So it bit his fucking arm off, and he made his way back home. So he, they're, they're, like talking to him, like right when he got out of the swamp.

   22. CHCameron Hanes5:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       And he's got one arm.

   24. CHCameron Hanes5:28

       [sighs]

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       And he l- he looked like... There's not a chance in hell he was sober-

   26. CHCameron Hanes5:33

       [laughs]

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       ... during any of this experience. He looked like he had been methed up since the fucking 12th grade. [laughs]

   28. CHCameron Hanes5:38

       Oh, my God.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       This, this dude... Yeah, this is the dude.

   30. CHCameron Hanes5:41

       [laughs]
5. 6:41 – 16:03

   Alligator hunting & wild animal resilience: ethical shots, overpopulation, and infection myths

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      You know, when I went alligator hunting out there a few years ago, you know that alligator that we shot-

   2. CHCameron Hanes6:45

      Mm-hmm

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      ... that's in the front? Th- bro, they're everywhere.

   4. CHCameron Hanes6:49

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      If you ever wanna come, it's really fun.

   6. CHCameron Hanes6:51

      I'd like to.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:51

      You know, I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting-

   8. CHCameron Hanes6:54

      Yeah

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:54

      ... but they need to be killed. They're, they're vastly overpopulated.

   10. CHCameron Hanes6:58

       But you can't do a bow?

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       You can.

   12. CHCameron Hanes7:00

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       But it's-

   14. CHCameron Hanes7:01

       Yeah. Well, that's like everything.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       It's pretty sketchy.

   16. CHCameron Hanes7:04

       [laughs]

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       But this, th- this, you know-

   18. CHCameron Hanes7:06

       That's a grizzly hunt

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       ... I know grizzlies killed alligators with a bow in Florida.

   20. CHCameron Hanes7:09

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       You, you just gotta catch them in the right spot. You gotta basically hit them like right behind the head.

   22. CHCameron Hanes7:13

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       And I think you'd probably hit them with a fixed blade, right?

   24. CHCameron Hanes7:16

       Yeah, for sure. There's a-

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       Like an Iron Will or something.

   26. CHCameron Hanes7:18

       There's this ... You gotta brain them.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Yeah.

   28. CHCameron Hanes7:19

       Yeah. So there's like a bump back there, then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump. Something like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       So you wanna be like 20 yards-

   30. CHCameron Hanes7:26

       Yeah, it's gotta be close
6. 16:03 – 20:40

   Internet scams and fake podcast invites (Ric Flair, Tim Dillon, Pat McAfee)

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:03

      Bro, I gotta apologize to Ric Flair. He got, uh, scammed.

   2. CHCameron Hanes16:06

      Hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:07

      So some, some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast-

   4. CHCameron Hanes16:12

      Hmm

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:12

      ... and they were gonna ha- that he was gonna come on the podcast.

   6. CHCameron Hanes16:14

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:14

      I think, uh, Tim Dillon, this happened with him too. Um, it didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're gonna have you come on a podcast.

   8. CHCameron Hanes16:26

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      But they need your bank information.

   10. CHCameron Hanes16:28

       Yeah. They're, they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like y- 3,000 bucks.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Right.

   12. CHCameron Hanes16:31

       'Cause I've got those too.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       And what it really is, is they're just gonna empty your bank account.

   14. CHCameron Hanes16:35

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       And, uh, it's just a scam.

   16. CHCameron Hanes16:38

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry, Ric Flair.

   18. CHCameron Hanes16:42

       I-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       Sorry, Ric Flair

   20. CHCameron Hanes16:42

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       I don't know if they, he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on, uh, Amy Poehler's show.

   22. CHCameron Hanes16:48

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       So it's, that's the scam. The scam was they reached out to ... He talked about it on his podcast.

   24. CHCameron Hanes16:53

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       They reached the, the scammer reached out, said, "I'm representing The Amy Poehler Show. We would love to have you on." And he was like, "That doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Poehler."

   26. CHCameron Hanes17:03

       [laughs]

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       "I don't think I'm a good guest."

   28. CHCameron Hanes17:04

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       And he was like, he was like, "I don't think this is real."

   30. CHCameron Hanes17:07

       Something's up. Yeah.
7. 20:40 – 24:17

   Cameron’s gold tooth origin story and Joe considering a gold crown

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:40

      First of all, before we go any further-

   2. CHCameron Hanes20:41

      Yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:41

      ... what's going on with your tooth? Why you got a gold tooth?

   4. CHCameron Hanes20:44

      [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:44

      I love it.

   6. CHCameron Hanes20:45

      Yeah. It's, uh... Well, it was, it's kind of a joke, but I've been obs- like, for years obsessed with, like, perfect teeth, right? And-

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:54

      That's like Adam Green. chew's always busting your balls. [laughs]

   8. CHCameron Hanes20:56

      Yeah, and, you know, I did like the, the white strips and all this other shit. And, like, I always cared about w- well, just probably cared too much. So now I don't care what I look like, but, um-

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:09

      What, what changed?

   10. CHCameron Hanes21:10

       Uh, I don't know. I, I've just, like, been playing the game too long. Now it's just like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:15

       [laughs]

   12. CHCameron Hanes21:15

       ... I'm just done. And, and the game's not over, unfortunately. Even though I'm saying I don't wanna play anymore, game still goes on. [laughs] So it's like I'm still part of it. But anyway, I was getting this... Okay, long story short, um, I had, I broke this in high school, so I had a fake tooth since high school. And, uh, yeah, it's just, like, long story, kissing this girl, basketball hit me in the back of the head, broke the tooth. Anyway-

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       You broke the tooth on her teeth?

   14. CHCameron Hanes21:41

       Yeah. [laughs] So she had-

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       Whoa

   16. CHCameron Hanes21:42

       ... pieces of teeth in her lip. Um-

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       Oh, that's crazy.

   18. CHCameron Hanes21:45

       [laughs] Yeah, it was... Yeah, it was, uh, Jack Devereux did that. But anyway, um, we, uh... So I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it. Finally found one that looked good. Well, I go in there, I hadn't been to the dentist in forever 'cause I just would hate going, and they said, "Oh, you got a, a, a cavity under that whatever," composite is what it was called. And I'm like, "Okay, cool." "So we gotta take it off, fix the cavity, then you get ano- a whole 'nother one." And I'm like, "Whatever." Um, so I go back in there, next, next appointment. They take it off, no cavity, but now I just have this, like, whittled down regular tooth just like a, like a post of a tooth.

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       So b- because they removed the cavity?

   20. CHCameron Hanes22:24

       'Cause they-

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       Or they-

   22. CHCameron Hanes22:25

       There was no cavity

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       ... there was no cavity.

   24. CHCameron Hanes22:27

       They-

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:27

       Jesus Christ

   26. CHCameron Hanes22:27

       ... they thought on the X-ray there was, so they had the, the... Anyway, that cap or the composite's gone, so they said, "Well, you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fa- fake tooth in Spring- in, in Springfield. Swing by this Springfield, um, whatever they do there for, for dentistry." So I go in there and they said, uh, the girl there goes, "Hey, my husband na- makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       [laughs]

   28. CHCameron Hanes22:53

       And, uh, I was like, "Wait." And so she's like, "We'll do a white one too, but a gold one might just be fun." And then I'm like, "Yeah, that'd be fun." So I told Trace I'm just gonna do it just day or two, so this has been months now. [laughs]

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       You gonna keep it?

   30. CHCameron Hanes23:08

       I dunno. I kinda like it.
8. 24:17 – 33:15

   Why Joe never lets up: responsibility, gratitude, and staying fueled by reps

   1. CHCameron Hanes24:17

      I can't believe... I look at your guests, and you're just, like, nonstop, dude. It's like, it's... people see, like, all your success. You'd think most people would be like, "Okay, I'm good. I'll..." Your foot off the gas. You don't.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:29

      No.

   3. CHCameron Hanes24:30

      You keep... I mean, you-

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:31

      [clears throat]

   5. CHCameron Hanes24:31

      You work your ass off.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:32

      Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do, and very few human beings get this opportunity, and I feel insanely fortunate. And also, um, very responsible. Like I've- I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They wanna hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives. And [clears throat] it's a huge obligation, you know, and I feel, like, connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time. I don't necessarily... But I feel it, I know it, and I'm dedicated. So I just keep my foot on the gas. I never-

   7. CHCameron Hanes25:15

      Yeah

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:15

      ... I never say, "Oh, I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show up." I just-

   9. CHCameron Hanes25:20

      Yeah

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       ... I always try to reset every day, and go, "God, I'm so lucky." It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not, like, make the most out of it.

   11. CHCameron Hanes25:35

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       'Cause I know that it's, like, very few human beings in the world... Well, I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone, like, back and forth.

   13. CHCameron Hanes25:46

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:47

       I've had it for, like, six years now.

   15. CHCameron Hanes25:49

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:49

       Six or seven, might be seven years now. And it's like, I'm not, I'm not keeping my foot off the gas.

   17. CHCameron Hanes25:56

       No.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:56

       I'm gonna do exactly what I'm doing.

   19. CHCameron Hanes25:57

       [laughs]

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:57

       I'm gonna do it my best. I'm gonna keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off.

   21. CHCameron Hanes26:01

       That's, like, people have said, like, with bow hunting and stuff, like, if you... You know, you work your ass off to, to get to this place where you're respected, right? And then there's gonna be people that want your position.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       Yeah.

   23. CHCameron Hanes26:14

       And, like, with your attitude, my attitude too is, like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       [laughs]

   25. CHCameron Hanes26:17

       ... fucking come get it. [laughs]

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       Yeah. Come get it.

   27. CHCameron Hanes26:19

       Come, come try to take it, 'cause I'm-

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       I remember when we were-

   29. CHCameron Hanes26:21

       ... I'm working my ass off still

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       ... we were hanging out somewhere, and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was, uh... We were all just fucking around. I, I really even forget who it was, 'cause it didn't matter. And he said, uh, "Yeah, a- and after that, I'm gonna challenge you to a race," and you go, "Good luck with that."
9. 33:15 – 43:32

   Escaping negativity loops: social media traps, conspiracy rabbit holes, and the value of humor

   1. CHCameron Hanes33:15

      Yeah. I think, like, I even think of, you know, I love Shawn Ryan, and he's, has an incredible podcast, but I, I, I get, I get why this is happening. He's pretty down kind of on a lot right now, just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all the... Which is by design almost. They want us to be hopeless, and I, I don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless so, 'cause we can be controlled. But Shawn, his podcast lately has taken more, I don't wanna say dark, because it's more real, but it's, like, it's darker. So I just think that attracts less people and a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things, and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you.

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:05

      Well, I think these... It's like, first of all, people that aren't comedians, they're ver- they're limited in-

   3. CHCameron Hanes34:10

      Mm-hmm

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:11

      ... in what they can talk about and the way they can talk about things. You know, being a comedian is, there's a little-

   5. CHCameron Hanes34:15

      Right

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:15

      ... bit of a safety hatch.

   7. CHCameron Hanes34:16

      Little freedom. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:17

      You could always like, "Yeah, what the fuck is going on?"

   9. CHCameron Hanes34:18

      "It's a joke. I'm a comedian."

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       Yeah. "We're fucking around."

   11. CHCameron Hanes34:20

       You get a little, get, get a little, you can write it off a little bit.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:23

       It's also there's, that's real in terms of, like, uh, another layer of conversation. Like, there's a layer of conversation that is commonly known as talking shit.

   13. CHCameron Hanes34:35

       [laughs]

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:36

       And talking shit is-

   15. CHCameron Hanes34:37

       Yeah

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:37

       ... a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny.

   17. CHCameron Hanes34:44

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:44

       And you make each other laugh. You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night. You know, "What, why is your mouth so sore?"

   19. CHCameron Hanes34:49

       [laughs] Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       You know, like, you, you, you fuck around. You say things. You, you're silly. You know, you talk about, "Oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth." You know, you don't, you're not really doing meth.

   21. CHCameron Hanes34:58

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:58

       Right? There's, you're, you're not really having gay sex.

   23. CHCameron Hanes35:01

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:01

       You're fucking around.

   25. CHCameron Hanes35:02

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:03

       And when you can't fuck around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing.

   27. CHCameron Hanes35:08

       Yeah, for sure.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:09

       And there's a whole, like, like, get-out-of-jail pass. Like, "Let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here."

   29. CHCameron Hanes35:15

       Well, and then where does-

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:16

       Like, you can't loosen up. You're serious.
10. 43:32 – 48:58

    Bear meat tasting + cooking talk: jerky, sausage, rendered fat, and “bear is delicious”

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:32

       Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Grab some of that, son.

    2. CHCameron Hanes43:35

       So.

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:36

       And so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat, and that is, that is incorrect.

    4. CHCameron Hanes43:45

       I've got a grizzly cooler here full of all sorts of stuff.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:47

       People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone.

    6. CHCameron Hanes43:50

       Okay. Um.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       Give me some.

    8. CHCameron Hanes43:52

       So also, this-

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:54

       No one can hear that either. You gotta get to the microphone.

    10. CHCameron Hanes43:56

        Oh. Also, this-

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:57

        Put that thing down and have a seat.

    12. CHCameron Hanes43:59

        Oh, there we go. So do you know who Casey Brooks is?

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:04

        I've heard the name.

    14. CHCameron Hanes44:04

        So he killed a world record elk.

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:06

        That's right.

    16. CHCameron Hanes44:07

        Yeah, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:07

        That giant one. That thing is crazy.

    18. CHCameron Hanes44:09

        So he does... This is, like, super hot stuff.

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        Oh.

    20. CHCameron Hanes44:13

        So it's called... Here's what it's called.

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:15

        What is it?

    22. CHCameron Hanes44:15

        Everything you need to know about Chilean whatever. See here it's Chilean-

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:20

        Everything you know, need to know about... Well, it's all worn out.

    24. CHCameron Hanes44:23

        I know. It's maybe on the other page.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:25

        Small but mighty Chilean chili.

    26. CHCameron Hanes44:28

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:28

        Okay.

    28. CHCameron Hanes44:29

        So you put-

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:29

        So it's a type of chili?

    30. CHCameron Hanes44:30

        Yeah, you put that on, like, when you're cooking steaks.
11. 48:58 – 50:40

    Mountain lions in suburbs & wildlife corridors: management vs. ‘ballot box biology’

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:58

       I sent Whitney Cummings a video that they got in, um, Santa Monica the other day, uh, of a mountain lion in someone's backyard. Big fucker-

    2. CHCameron Hanes49:06

       Really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:06

       ... just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man.

    4. CHCameron Hanes49:10

       That's... Yeah. They're... I mean, I, I don't know if you eat anymore, but.

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:15

       Um, I can't eat too much. People get annoyed.

    6. CHCameron Hanes49:17

       Oh yeah, that's true.

    7. JRJoe Rogan49:18

       It's good though.

    8. CHCameron Hanes49:19

       It's, that's a jalapeno cheddar.

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:21

       Mm.

    10. CHCameron Hanes49:21

        How's it taste? Can you taste it?

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:23

        The one, the first one I had was jalapeno cheddar?

    12. CHCameron Hanes49:24

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:24

        It's fucking great.

    14. CHCameron Hanes49:25

        [laughs]

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:26

        It's really good.

    16. CHCameron Hanes49:26

        So good, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:28

        And I know what people are saying. "Oh, you can make anything." Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard.

    18. CHCameron Hanes49:32

        Oh, man.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:32

        Isn't that fucking nuts, man?

    20. CHCameron Hanes49:33

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:33

        Look at his eyes.

    22. CHCameron Hanes49:34

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:35

        Fuck you, man.

    24. CHCameron Hanes49:36

        [laughs]

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:37

        Fuck you.

    26. CHCameron Hanes49:38

        Yeah. It's, uh-

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:39

        Meanwhile, they build a stupid bridge for them.

    28. CHCameron Hanes49:41

        [laughs]

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:41

        And it's, uh, way over budget. It's over $100 million now for this stupid fucking bridge so they can cross. "We have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safely."

    30. CHCameron Hanes49:51

        Trust me.
12. 50:40 – 1:00:18

    Public lands under threat: Mike Lee, the Roadless Rule, and calling senators

    1. CHCameron Hanes50:40

       That's what we talked, yeah, we talked about that last time, and it's like I just wonder what is, you know, what's the goal? Because now, you know, I wore this shirt today because now public land is again back in the crosshairs. I don't know if you saw that.

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:54

       Yeah, what is going on?

    3. CHCameron Hanes50:55

       This Mike Lee guy, the guy-

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:56

       Yeah, that same guy

    5. CHCameron Hanes50:57

       ... same fucking guy from... He, he's trying to like... This is-

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       That's the Utah guy, right?

    7. CHCameron Hanes51:01

       The Utah guy.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:02

       Yeah.

    9. CHCameron Hanes51:02

       Um, so right now it's like there's this, this bill that was gonna be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires essentially. Um, but it's like, uh, it's what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it. Like they always do, there's always these other provisions tied in to with all these bills, right?

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:22

        Right.

    11. CHCameron Hanes51:23

        And, uh, you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not. Um, but he, he put in this, uh, roadless area section 'cause there's four hun- or 45 million acres of roadless area that he wants access to. Basically, they're not saying this. They're saying for some other reason. I think, oh, here's what they said: "We have so many acres of, of roadless area that f- to fight wildfires we need roads." Okay? They don't care about fighting wildfires.

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        It's probably-

    13. CHCameron Hanes51:53

        They care about-

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:54

        ... resource extraction

    15. CHCameron Hanes51:55

        ... or development, right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:57

        Maybe development, but development's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas. But what's not a tough sell-

    17. CHCameron Hanes52:01

        That's what they tried with this.

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:03

        What?

    19. CHCameron Hanes52:03

        Remember, remember the affordable housing?

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:04

        Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

    21. CHCameron Hanes52:05

        Like, oh, just the areas-

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:06

        They tried to say that's what it was

    23. CHCameron Hanes52:07

        ... a ra-

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:07

        Yeah

    25. CHCameron Hanes52:07

        ... it was, that was supposedly affordable housing, which like years ago I went back and talked to Jason Chaffetz. He was, uh, he was a representative there in Utah, and I went back there and spoke to him. And be- at that time, it was about, uh, surplus acreage.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:22

        Yeah.

    27. CHCameron Hanes52:22

        So there's 3 million surplus acres nobody's using.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:26

        Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion, that the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy-

    29. CHCameron Hanes52:37

        They might. I'm not sure

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:38

        ... about public land.
13. 1:00:18 – 1:11:11

    White House UFC event: outdoor fight risks, spectacle vs. sport integrity, and broadcast confusion

    1. CHCameron Hanes1:00:18

       ... core groups with this other bullshit, right? And it's the bread and circus thing, and, like, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell, who said this, that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not... We hire the government to run our country, not entertain us.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       True. Yeah. No, I... Look, I- I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's gonna be sick.

    3. CHCameron Hanes1:00:50

       [laughs] It's gonna be-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       And-

    5. CHCameron Hanes1:00:51

       It's gonna be... I'm gonna watch

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       ... so, I have two s- like, people think, "Oh, Rogan's negative a-" nope, I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either. I don't... If it was me, if I was running the, the UFC, I would never run the UFC, but if I was running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it.

    7. CHCameron Hanes1:01:07

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       I would've said, "We can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy."

    9. CHCameron Hanes1:01:16

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

        That doesn't make any sense to me. It's gonna affect the grappling. It's gonna be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's gonna be sweaty as fuck.

    11. CHCameron Hanes1:01:22

        Oh, yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        It's gonna be completely different than... And also, your endurance is gonna be less.

    13. CHCameron Hanes1:01:26

        No, no submissions going, probably gonna happen.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

        Well, the, and other, maybe, but also you can get under a neck way quicker.

    15. CHCameron Hanes1:01:32

        Oh, right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

        It's like a greasy neck.

    17. CHCameron Hanes1:01:33

        Slide your arm through there.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

        Yeah.

    19. CHCameron Hanes1:01:34

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

        You could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweaty.

    21. CHCameron Hanes1:01:37

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

        You could get, uh, get it right under the chin.

    23. CHCameron Hanes1:01:40

        Yeah, that'd be tough.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

        It's like woo-oop.

    25. CHCameron Hanes1:01:41

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

        It slides in there. But most grapplers would not prefer that.

    27. CHCameron Hanes1:01:46

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

        Most grapplers would prefer an air-conditioned arena like normal. It should be fucking 72 degrees just like it always is. You know, it should be air-conditioned like it always is.

    29. CHCameron Hanes1:01:55

        But even the, the controlling the hands, 'cause, you know, like, if you're top or bottom-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

        Mm-hmm
14. 1:11:11 – 1:20:43

    Government priorities, war pressure, and big money influence (Citizens United, dark money, AIPAC)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:11:11

       Yeah. It's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because, um, as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks, and I... My experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately.

    2. CHCameron Hanes1:11:26

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:11:27

       Unfortunately for everybody else. Like, uh, you know, if he likes you and y- you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around.

    4. CHCameron Hanes1:11:34

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:11:35

       He says a lot of fun shit. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does. Like, he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom 'cause he wa- Like, he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just there's not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the President of the United States that's loved by everybody.

    6. CHCameron Hanes1:11:57

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:11:58

       But his, the, the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for, and that's what people are upset about.

    8. CHCameron Hanes1:12:08

       [sighs] Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:12:09

       The war, the war specifically.

    10. CHCameron Hanes1:12:11

        That's, I don't... Uh, you know, we voted for protecting the border.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:12:16

        Uh-huh.

    12. CHCameron Hanes1:12:17

        Um-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:12:18

        And they did that.

    14. CHCameron Hanes1:12:19

        Yeah. It's, uh, man- or American manufacturing, um, protecting America's interests, like with trade, with, uh, just protecting people's jobs so we have a, a way to, to work and provide for our family. America first, that was what, that sounded good to me, and it feels like this isn't any of that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:12:40

        Yeah.

    16. CHCameron Hanes1:12:40

        Like, I, it feels like even his administration at first, I was just like, "Oh, fuck, these are some-"

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:12:47

        Right.

    18. CHCameron Hanes1:12:47

        "This is good." But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:12:52

        Well, it's that for sure, and then it's also, you know, the amount of political pressure You know, you have to make deals, right? So you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there.

    20. CHCameron Hanes1:13:04

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:13:04

        And then you got the oil companies trying to squeeze that, and the military's trying to squeeze this, and there's a lot of compromises that have to be made, and that's where things get dark.

    22. CHCameron Hanes1:13:12

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:13:13

        Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're gonna fix this and clean that. Like, I've had long conversations with RFK, and that guy's in struggle all day.

    24. CHCameron Hanes1:13:23

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:13:24

        It's a battle all day.

    26. CHCameron Hanes1:13:25

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:13:25

        It's dealing with all these pressures, and look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with, with peptides. They made a lot of headway with, uh, eliminating some of these, uh, unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to, but they lost with glyphosate.

    28. CHCameron Hanes1:13:43

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:13:43

        I mean, that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one.

    30. CHCameron Hanes1:13:46

        It's poison.
15. 1:20:43 – 1:46:36

    Big Bend border wall & bypassing environmental law: contracts, incentives, and public input

    1. CHCameron Hanes1:20:43

       in Iran and, and like, that would, uh, how detrimental that would be. So I was like, I, I believed in her, and now with her husband getting sick, and now she's out of there. But it feels like people are... It's like if you stand up for something, you're gone. And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullin in there, who just two days ago for this ro- roadless rule, he unwinded 31 laws that were gonna protect the, the public land, right? Just 31 laws. He just said, "Yeah, those aren't gonna apply anymore 'cause we need to..." They awarded a $1.7 billion contract to build a wall in Texas at Big Bend National Park. $1.7 million do- billion dollars has been awarded, and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bend National Park here. It's like, how? The public doesn't want that. We don't want a fucking wall.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:21:37

       What's the wall for?

    3. CHCameron Hanes1:21:38

       They're saying for border protection. And if you look at, like, where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the fucking park. That-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:21:47

       So what do you think that wall's really for?

    5. CHCameron Hanes1:21:49

       I don't know. Fucking up national, a national park, one of the most pristine places in Texas. I don't know what the goal is. But-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:21:57

       Have you read into it, though? Is there any arguments pro and con that the wall's-

    7. CHCameron Hanes1:22:01

       Oh, I'm, I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection. I mean, m- maybe Jamie can look it up. But-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:22:06

       Yeah, let's see if there's, is there, like, a, a lot of-

    9. CHCameron Hanes1:22:08

       There was no p-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:22:08

        ... crossings?

    11. CHCameron Hanes1:22:09

        ... public input on it again.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:22:10

        Right. That's a problem. And then the, the problem is, again, they can come up with reasons-

    13. CHCameron Hanes1:22:16

        Yeah

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:22:16

        ... why, you know, they have to make some new laws because, well, we gotta protect people.

    15. CHCameron Hanes1:22:21

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:22:22

        And that's how the slippery slope begins.

    17. CHCameron Hanes1:22:23

        It was, it was the COVID, like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:22:27

        Uh-huh.

    19. CHCameron Hanes1:22:28

        It's like, you gotta do this for safety. Well, it's the same thing.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:22:30

        Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Bend National Park. So what is... Does it say what the argument for it is? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of US-Mexico border. So it's a border wall.

    21. CHCameron Hanes1:22:48

        Yeah, yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:22:48

        From near Clo- near the Closed Canyon Trail in Big Bend Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Bend National Park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County. In the notice, Homeland Security Mark Wayne Mullin wrote the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious, expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. While US Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a 30-foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park, the agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project dug- dubbed Big Bend IV.

    23. CHCameron Hanes1:23:36

        So this is, like, not, not listening to the experts again. Six former superintendents of Big Bend National Park penned a letter to Mullin urging him not take such a step. So again-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:23:44

        Mm

    25. CHCameron Hanes1:23:44

        ... not listening to the experts, just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the fuck they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the expert thinks they're g- thinks they're gonna do it. Award these bids to the, probably some construction outfit-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:23:57

        Right

    27. CHCameron Hanes1:23:57

        ... this guy's invested in for $1.7 billion with no bid. It's like, how is this, how is this okay?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:24:05

        Yeah. It's very... I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there?

    29. CHCameron Hanes1:24:11

        No, there's not. That's the thing. They have where all the crossings happen. There's, like, this tiniest percentage in that park.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:24:18

        'Cause it seems like it's probably a very remote area-
16. 1:46:36 – 2:03:46

    Oregon IP 28 ‘PEACE Act’: banning hunting/fishing via ‘animal cruelty’ framing

    1. CHCameron Hanes1:46:36

       Yeah, so this is nuts. So this is, same thing. It's just, it's ju- follow the money. If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money. Um, so the IP 28, this is a, a crazy thing. They wanna... Here's, here's where... I, I'll just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a Petri dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas. Like, if you think of, uh, legalizing recreational drug use, you know, we did that in Oregon.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:47:06

       Uh-huh.

    3. CHCameron Hanes1:47:06

       Like heroin, meth. You can have that. It's fine. It's whatever.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:47:10

       I think they turned that back, right?

    5. CHCameron Hanes1:47:12

       Right. But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:47:14

       Yeah, it didn't work out so well.

    7. CHCameron Hanes1:47:15

       Right. Now, this is another crazy one, but they try it in Oregon, 'cause it's very... We got a, a huge liberal population in, in Portland and Eugene and some of these, and Salem. But, uh, they-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:47:27

       Not just liberals. Retards.

    9. CHCameron Hanes1:47:29

       Yeah. They're, they're more than just-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:47:30

        They're gone

    11. CHCameron Hanes1:47:30

        ... 'cause I, I'm, I'm friends with liberals for sure.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:47:32

        Yeah, they're gone. They're, they're at the far end of the political spectrum-

    13. CHCameron Hanes1:47:36

        Yeah, yeah [laughs]

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:47:36

        ... on the left.

    15. CHCameron Hanes1:47:37

        For sure.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:47:37

        They're full-on communists.

    17. CHCameron Hanes1:47:39

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:47:39

        Socialists, no meat, everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick.

    19. CHCameron Hanes1:47:45

        F- yeah, I mean, so much-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:47:47

        We should talk about that too.

    21. CHCameron Hanes1:47:48

        That is-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:47:48

        We'll get to that in a minute.

    23. CHCameron Hanes1:47:49

        It's-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:47:49

        But, um, so the law- the, the new thing, the bill they're trying to pass would-

    25. CHCameron Hanes1:47:53

        IP 28

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:47:54

        ... ban, ban... First of all, uh, was it, was it the may- who, was it the governor of Washington? Which, which governor, was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard?

    27. CHCameron Hanes1:48:09

        Oh, probably Washington I would say, yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:48:12

        Can you fucking imagine-

    29. CHCameron Hanes1:48:14

        Yeah, yeah

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:48:14

        ... telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe?
17. 2:03:46 – 2:48:30

    Marathon controversy: BPC-157, USADA rules, elite vs. amateur standards, and Cameron’s defense

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:03:46

       Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So you won the Oregon Marathon in your, uh, age category.

    2. CHCameron Hanes2:03:55

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:03:55

       And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC-157-

    4. CHCameron Hanes2:04:01

       Yep

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:04:01

       ... which is a banned substance.

    6. CHCameron Hanes2:04:04

       Yeah, and-

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:04:05

       So you had take... Y- for people that don't know, as ridiculous as this sounds, Cam broke his foot, like, two years ago.

    8. CHCameron Hanes2:04:12

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:04:12

       You broke your foot, like, two years ago, and you never got it fixed, so all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken [laughs] broken foot.

    10. CHCameron Hanes2:04:19

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:04:19

        And, uh, you went to Ways to Well, they treated your foot with stem cells, and they injected BPC-157 into your foot to help-

    12. CHCameron Hanes2:04:29

        Yeah

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:04:29

        ... help your foot heal.

    14. CHCameron Hanes2:04:30

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:04:30

        Um, is it healed now? Is the bone-

    16. CHCameron Hanes2:04:32

        Yeah

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:04:32

        ... like, fused up?

    18. CHCameron Hanes2:04:33

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:04:33

        What did it do, it just grew back?

    20. CHCameron Hanes2:04:34

        Yeah, finally. It was like, it took a while 'cause I didn't stop running. And I, you know-

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:04:39

        So what does it look like now on an X-ray?

    22. CHCameron Hanes2:04:41

        It's, like, kind of the, the bone is, the, it was a big break, like, a pretty wide break, which is why the, the surgeon didn't know if it was gonna be able to m- the bone was gonna be able to make it across there, 'cause I kept, like-

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:04:51

        Moving it

    24. CHCameron Hanes2:04:51

        ... moving it.

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:04:52

        Yeah.

    26. CHCameron Hanes2:04:52

        And, um, and he told me, he's like, "You know, with this, this is..." Uh, I just had the same surgery done on my, my thumb, where the b- the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right? So your ligament's and tendon's very strong. The bone fractures, so what happened here is I fell and, and I was doing a race, and, and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone. So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from, because bone-on-bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's, like, quicker, right? So we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot they said he didn't know how big that piece that broke off was, so there's a chance that it, it wouldn't reattach through surgery. So, which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it, it's called a Jones fracture, it's on the outside of my foot, and, um, hope it, it connected. But that would be, like, stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed d- by design.

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:05:52

        So it'd probably change the function of your foot.

    28. CHCameron Hanes2:05:54

        It would, it would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot... And I, I run, I have a good stride. I run well. And I'm, and he said, "There's no guarantee that this will attach like it should, or that, you know, you need even another surgery if this doesn't work, and then another one to get the hardware out." So I'm just like, "I really don't wanna do two or three surgeries. Let's see if we can try other treatments, less invasive. If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal?" And it has. Um, so I was, like, very interested in not getting the surgery based on, you know, he's a, a renowned surgeon. He does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud. Trust, totally trust him. But I heard what he was saying about, like, "Hey, there's no guarantee this is gonna work perfect," and I took that to heart. So I-

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:06:41

        When did you have the injury? How long ago was that?

    30. CHCameron Hanes2:06:43

        It was June 16th of 2024.

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