Joe Rogan Experience #2518 - Tim Dillon

Tim Dillon is a stand-up comic, actor, and host of “The Tim Dillon Show” podcast. His latest comedy special, “Tim Dillon: I’m Your Mother,” is available on Netflix. https://www.youtube.com/@TimDillonShow https://www.patreon.com/thetimdillonshow https://punchup.live/TimDillon https://www.timdilloncomedy.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Switch today at https://Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN.

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0:00 – 0:02
Intro
1. JRJoe Rogan
  [upbeat music]
0:02 – 2:56
Cigarettes, sobriety, and why smoking still looks "cool"
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]
2. TDTim Dillon
  When I was 13 and I was smoking, my father said that to me. He goes, "You know what's a good thing about you? You never smoked them down to the filter."
3. JRJoe Rogan
  What a good kid. [laughs]
4. TDTim Dillon
  And a, what a great family.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
6. TDTim Dillon
  And what a great family.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  My sister smoked when we were in high school. I was always like, "God, why are you smoking? It's so stupid."
8. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And then, uh, I had to do a play once with, uh, Adam Ferrara and a couple other people, and I had a... I was supposed to play this, something that a, a bunch of comics wrote, like a funny little sketch thing.
10. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And I was supposed to play this, like, uh, tortured liberal arts student-
12. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and I was, like, smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked, like, 15 fucking cigarettes while we were doing it. And I, and I threw up. I had a fucking horrible headache.
14. TDTim Dillon
  Really?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  I was like, "Oh my God, I'm so high."
16. TDTim Dillon
  Wow.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm like, "My arms don't move right." If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just smoked 15 in a row during-
18. TDTim Dillon
  Were you, like, an athlete, too?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
20. TDTim Dillon
  Oh, so that totally fucked you up.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, completely fucked me up.
22. TDTim Dillon
  Oh, yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. TDTim Dillon
  No, the first time I had a cigarette, it's so terrible, but I was like, "This is g- great." [laughs] I, my body responded. I don't know how... Like, what you had is the very normal e- experience.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, this was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, "Ooh, what a head rush."
26. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  "This is kinda cool."
28. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I go, "Now I got, I kinda get it. I get why you guys like this."
30. TDTim Dillon
  Interesting.
2:56 – 5:30
Europe vs. America: food, smoking, and the shock of Buc-ee’s and Costco
1. JRJoe Rogan
  How about in England where they smoke like crazy? You have actual cancer on the fucking cartons.
2. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah, when you buy them. I was in London, and you bought one, there was a, like a dead baby on one of them.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  A photo of them.
4. TDTim Dillon
  They were, like, low birth weight.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. TDTim Dillon
  I was like, "This is terrible." Um-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  And no one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere.
8. TDTim Dillon
  They, they smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. Like, they don't understand the way we eat.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Gluttony.
10. TDTim Dillon
  They don't get it. There is, there are, there's something called Toby Carvery, like, where you can just, like, just ladle on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. But for the most part, the portions are smaller and people are more behaved in that sense. But they drink more and they smoke.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm. This is it. European World Cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell ranch and unlimited refills. [laughs]
12. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because they get sick. When they come here, they get sick because there's chemicals in our food. Um-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Somebody was telling me they went to Buc-ee's and the, the, there was, uh, the soccer teams were at Buc-ee's for the first time, and they just fucking couldn't believe it.
14. TDTim Dillon
  Of course.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Imagine that's your first, one of the first experiences you have in America, you walk into a Buc-ee's.
16. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  And, and you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit.
18. TDTim Dillon
  It's the m- it's one of the most American places, as you've said, that exists. You have this gas station, but that's also, like, a weird theme park of food. [laughs] And all kinds of other shit that you could need.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, this guy, dude, [laughs] LMAO at, "This is a gas station." [laughs]
20. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, do you see how big they are?
22. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  The fir- t- 24 million views. That's hilarious.
24. TDTim Dillon
  No, it's completely alien to their culture-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
26. TDTim Dillon
  ... to have a place like that where you could go buy... The Costcos are alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
28. TDTim Dillon
  ... or jars and things that you would keep, like, you know, like, i- it's all, they all think we're preppers. Because if you go to, like, a, a, a big grocery store chain, you're buying food for a long period of time. They don't do that there. They buy stuff for, like, the week.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  They have small refrigerators.
30. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah, small refrigerators.
5:30 – 6:35
Apocalypse prepping and the LA reality: fires, riots, and fleeing the city
1. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you start thinking about stockpiling gold.
2. TDTim Dillon
  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Listen, when I lived in LA, when my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built.
4. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  That Toyota Land Cruiser I got, I specifically, I go, "I need a bug out truck, like a truck where I could store a lot of shit in it, and it can literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car."
6. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  "I need a car that occasionally shit might go sideways, and you gotta get the fuck out of here, and you gotta drive through the desert."
8. TDTim Dillon
  Wow. And you ha- and I've left LA multiple times to make that drive, not in a, an apocalypse car, but because of fires-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah
10. TDTim Dillon
  ... because of riots.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Fires.
12. TDTim Dillon
  Like, sometimes you just gotta get out of Dodge. You gotta leave.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Three times. I got evacuated three fucking times when I lived there.
14. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And y- it got as close to, like, burning my fence down.
16. TDTim Dillon
  It's part of the LA experience to get in a car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, "Your block is on fire." I thought he was kidding, but there was just overturned cop cars on fire. And it was, like, riots. This was 2020.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Um-
18. TDTim Dillon
  So I just got in my car and I went, "Okay," and I drove to the desert. That's part of the LA-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
20. TDTim Dillon
  ... experience is fleeing.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what Palm Beach is.
22. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah. Y- you, Palm Springs.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Palm Springs, right.
26. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. TDTim Dillon
  You flee.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you flee.
30. TDTim Dillon
  You go.
6:35 – 7:52
How Palm Springs (and old LA wealth) came to be
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense.
2. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  It's hot as fuck. There's no water.
4. TDTim Dillon
  Well, you know why it started?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  All these people there with money.
6. TDTim Dillon
  It started because when, when Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within 200 miles of... until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is, like, exactly 200 miles from LA.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
8. TDTim Dillon
  That's why.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Interesting.
10. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah. That's why they started. Hollywood, the, th- that, you know, they were like, "We own you. You can't go anywhere-"
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh
12. TDTim Dillon
  "... until the film is edited. So if you wanna go on a vacation, you have to go there."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You know what's interesting is, like, Pasadena was where all the, like, producers lived.
14. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  There's beautiful houses in Pasadena-
16. TDTim Dillon
  Gorgeous
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... man.
18. TDTim Dillon
  Mid-century modern. Beautiful.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, incredible places.
20. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Like estates that just seem completely-
22. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... out of place.
24. TDTim Dillon
  Totally. Beautiful and-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Like from another time.
26. TDTim Dillon
  From another time.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. TDTim Dillon
  Well, that's the thing in LA now. You get the vibe that you're, you're... Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, "It's not Hollywood, it's Hollywood, the sequel."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
30. TDTim Dillon
  Like, you're not living in the thing anymore.
7:52 – 10:54
LA in decline: show business leaving, regulation, and civic dysfunction
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Somebody recently said this, and it's perfect. They said, "LA is slowly becoming Detroit."
2. TDTim Dillon
  Interesting.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. TDTim Dillon
  The only thing that might save it is the weather.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  The weather'll help-
6. TDTim Dillon
  Right
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but the industry dried up.
8. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  So the big industry in Hollywood w- regardless of whether or not it's the biggest e- economic industry, the biggest industry in terms of, like, cultural value and-
10. TDTim Dillon
  Totally
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like, getting people to move there-
12. TDTim Dillon
  Totally
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... was always show business.
14. TDTim Dillon
  Yep.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's, th- they barely make movies anymore.
16. TDTim Dillon
  They overtaxed and over-regulated their biggest industry to other states and other countries.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
18. TDTim Dillon
  And most people are making things all over the world, and very few th- I think at one time it was, like, 80 to 90%. Now it's 25, 30%-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow
20. TDTim Dillon
  ... shot in LA.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
22. TDTim Dillon
  It's a big difference.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a giant difference.
24. TDTim Dillon
  It's a big difference.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, that, that arrogance of, like, "This is the best place in the world. Everyone's gonna come here no matter what."
26. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  That, that's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever he-
28. TDTim Dillon
  Right
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... defends California.
30. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
10:54 – 13:10
Cleaning up cities: Atlantic City, NYC’s 90s shift, and Giuliani’s legacy
1. TDTim Dillon
  I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City, which is a casino there, and the owner of that casino was talking to me, and I said, "What would fix Atlantic City?" Because Atlantic City-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
3. TDTim Dillon
  ... has some similar problems to LA, but v- vastly worse.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, way worse.
5. TDTim Dillon
  And, and, uh, he was telling me, he goes, "We have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area. So you have a lot of people that are not, for whatever reason, productive, and they're living in one area, and everything that comes along with that, which is crime, which is, you know, vandalism, which is, you know, disorder to di- varying degrees." And he goes, "You need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses can thrive."
6. JRJoe Rogan
  100%.
7. TDTim Dillon
  Which is what happened in New York in the '90s. People hate it. They don't want to admit it, but what happened in New York in the '90s was, like, they did clean up a lot of the crime and, and a lot of businesses then felt better about investing.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  100%.
9. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, that's what Giuliani did.
11. TDTim Dillon
  That's what he did, yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And he's demonized.
13. TDTim Dillon
  He's demonized. He's, he's demon- He hasn't... He's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died, his legacy would've been amazing. But he's hung around for a while, and he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, had he just cleaned up New York City and then left public life, it would've been like that guy.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
15. TDTim Dillon
  But he hung around a little bit and, you know, got involved.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  They always have to hang around.
17. TDTim Dillon
  They always hang around.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what they do.
19. TDTim Dillon
  They always hang around.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  That's why you're gonna do shows.
21. TDTim Dillon
  That's right.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  You're always gonna do-
23. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... stand-up.
25. TDTim Dillon
  That's right.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  You're always gonna do shows.
27. TDTim Dillon
  But he did such a good thing, and then it was like, just-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
29. TDTim Dillon
  ... just exit.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  He's also... You know, he was easy to make fun of, like the time where he was sweating and his dye f-
13:10 – 16:28
AI, surveillance, and speech: the next political battlefield
1. TDTim Dillon
  ... you know. And I think a lot of that... The AI stuff, which is very interesting, is starting to... I think it mi- I, I don't know how quickly it will do this, but I do think it's going to, it's going to lessen some of the cultural divides, and I think it's going to potentially unite people because it's... I, I think it's going to be the next fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy, your, your own rights, what rights you'll have. Like, I feel like that will be... It might take precedent. Instead of, like, these cultural fights that people have been having for a while, it might be like people might be demanding a- autonomy, you know, from artificial intelligence.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  The problem is gonna be if you can't demand, if you, if you don't have a voice anymore, and this is the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly in England.
3. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  So in Eng- in England, their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point-
5. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrests that people get over there for fucking retweets and likes.
7. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Retweets and likes.
9. TDTim Dillon
  That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested for liking a tweet.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Arrested.
11. TDTim Dillon
  Not even retweeting, 'cause we all know if you like, you're a piece of shit. You should retweet.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. [laughs]
13. TDTim Dillon
  We all know that. It l- Retweet it.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
15. TDTim Dillon
  So to... And if you're gonna go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway. If you're gonna get locked up-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  I wonder if you get extra years-
17. TDTim Dillon
  ... just retweet it
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for a retweet versus a like.
19. TDTim Dillon
  Well, I'm sure. If they, they, "Your Honor, my client just liked this."
20. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
21. TDTim Dillon
  "They were confused. They hit a button."
22. JRJoe Rogan
  So as soon as you have people that feel like their, the reality of the world they live in is not being represented-
23. TDTim Dillon
  Mm-hmm
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they're not allowed to complain about it online, because if they complain about it online, they get arrested.
25. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  So right now it's for immigration primarily. This is the-
27. TDTim Dillon
  Right
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... big one. But that could change. That could change.
29. TDTim Dillon
  Well, it does seem to be that they, they feel that there was a decision made by somebody that the public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way. They can only offer their... Like, the, i- if not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way, but it's their right to do it. It's their country. They should be able to say, um, "I'm worried about increased levels of immigration." You know? And they should be able to say that in, in an ineloquent way, right?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
16:28 – 17:25
UK grooming gangs, suppressed reporting, and the politics of “progress”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. And then there's also people were getting arrested for saying that there were rape gangs.
2. TDTim Dillon
  And there were.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And there were.
4. TDTim Dillon
  There were.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And so this new report... Who released this new report that said a quarter million people? It says, "UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts after review says response went too far." So this is, uh, April 1st, 2026. Uh, but I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested, like, a few days ago.
6. TDTim Dillon
  And we have rape gangs here, but our, ours are more successful.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I think that's a... Legal social media posts is which weird. So legal social media posts.
8. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Their law is different than our law. They don't have freedom of speech over there.
10. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  So incitement to violence is a violation of their law.
12. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like l- like cartoons or something like that-
14. TDTim Dillon
  Right
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that's not, clearly not an incitement to violence. But would it- Find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs.
17:25 – 22:25
Immigration, assimilation, and social fragility: Europe, Ireland, Sweden
1. TDTim Dillon
  I was just there for 21 days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for 21 days, and you talk to different groups of people, and London's a global city, it's a cosmopolitan city. It's like New York. And, you know, I think one of the things that, you know, they're, they're used to diversity there, and so they're not full-on panicked about different types of people coming in. But there is undeniably a real problem, um, outside of London, also in London, but outside of London because a lot of the economy has stagnated. So you're bringing people in. It's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do, and a lot of their cultures vary greatly from the English culture. In a, in a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women, that could be the rights of gay people, that could be the opinions about freedom of speech, that could be freedom of religion. Whatever it is, there is a cultural tension there between, you know, immigrants, migrants coming in, and this- the very established society that's been around for a very long time.
2. JRJoe Rogan
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3. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Is it about Dearborn? Is that where it is?
5. TDTim Dillon
  Dearborn, Michigan, yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  So where a bunch of really progressive people thought it's amazing.
7. TDTim Dillon
  Sure.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Bring everyone in.
9. TDTim Dillon
  Bring them in.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Everyone- everyone's welcome. And so they got enough Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor, and then this guy says-
11. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... no more pride flags.
13. TDTim Dillon
  No more pride flags.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  And they're inching towards what they would like-
17. TDTim Dillon
  Yes
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is Sharia law. If you ask-
19. TDTim Dillon
  For sure
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... most people-
21. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... who live in these Islamic countries. Now, again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress.
23. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  They're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing.
25. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  So you've got to factor that in.
27. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  But at least a percentage of them-
29. TDTim Dillon
  There's-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... think Sharia law would be a great idea.
22:25 – 32:16
A ‘global plan’? Chaos, new laws, and empathy as a political weapon
1. TDTim Dillon
  that's the end goal, a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle. Like, a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process because their end goal [clears throat] really is to kind of decrease the power of, um, people they disagree with, you know? So I mean, it's like, you know, you know, it's hard to look at this and not see a design, and I don't, I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from. But it's, it's odd that this is all happenstance because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it. So I, I would imagine that at some point, you know, for example, like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this, it's, you know, they're part of the EU, and the EU would set w- migration policy for Ireland. So the EU is a supranational organization that would basically say, "Here's how many migrants you have to admit. Here's your carbon emission standards. Here's your, uh, you know, monetary policy," whatever it is, and Ireland is kind of in that, in that sense they feel like they're losing their sovereignty. They're losing their ability to chart the course of their own country to a supranational organization that's, that primarily seems concerned with the economics because if you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy, which is what they're doing. A lot of people in Europe are not having children. So a lot of these economies are run by people that are not really too concerned about the, the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're looking more about how do we grow this economy? How do we get- ... cheap, you know, help and, and how do we get workers? And a lot of it is you're, you're getting third world migrants. Some of it's genuine refugees, for sure, but a lot of it's economic migration. People are coming for a better life. Hard to blame them. But do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life? That's the question. If you lived in Ireland, do you get to have a, a better life? Do, do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children get to own property? Do they get to have health insurance and a job and things like that? And it- no one seems that concerned about that. Like these, these citizens who've lived forever in these countries, whose grandparents have fought and died in wars to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know, Britain, UK, you know, things like that, those citizens seem to not be as prioritized as people coming in from other countries, and that's one of the big problems, um, that they're having there.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's, it's, it's really interesting to watch because if there is a plan... I mean, it's not interesting, it's kind of horrific, but if it's, it's interesting in that-
3. TDTim Dillon
  It can be both
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it can be both.
5. TDTim Dillon
  Sure.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, if there is a plan, like whose plan? Whose plan and who's benefiting from this? Like w- why, why would you do this?
7. TDTim Dillon
  I think it's a small group of people that concern themselves primarily with economic matters, that don't care that nation states have cultures and histories and customs, and that doesn't really, that doesn't bother them as much. Um, and their, their basic, their basic, uh, you know, response is to just deal with it and to call everyone a racist who questions it or to say everyone's a jingoist or ethnocentric or anti-immigrant or whatever. They shut down those conversations. And I think it's because a lot of people believe more in a global world, and they don't believe in a world of nation states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They wanna take that power economically from those people, and then eventually they wanna take it culturally and every other way. So they just wanna go around the world and say, "Here's the way every country will look. Here's the economic policy of every country." And if the people in those countries don't like it and they express, you know, that on social media, they're gonna get kicked off. And if they organize in the streets, they're gonna use, you know, military authority to, to fire water cannons at them or shut 'em down or use gas or whatever. And if there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're gonna infiltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right
9. TDTim Dillon
  ... which they do all the time.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
11. TDTim Dillon
  So it's hard to see it, not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but it, that's what I am and how I've made my living, but I think it is clearly someone's design. This isn't happenstance. None of this has to happen. We don't have to invade countries, sponsor coups, steal resources, and then g- like drench our c- our communities in, in guilt and say, "Now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with it." None of that has to happen. That's, that's a strategy of, of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you think it also has a... One of the factors might be that they want conflict? The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're gonna pay attention to what the government's doing.
13. TDTim Dillon
  Well, 100%.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  All right.
15. TDTim Dillon
  I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're gonna be willing to accept-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  New laws
17. TDTim Dillon
  ... new laws-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  New surveillance
19. TDTim Dillon
  ... new technologies.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah.
21. TDTim Dillon
  And you're gonna just say, "I want peace-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
23. TDTim Dillon
  ... and I don't care how we get it. I don't care how we achieve it."
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. TDTim Dillon
  And I think that's very possible, but it does feel like it, it's, it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across. But as you've said earlier in this, it's very interesting because y- this uniform standard is supposed to include non-binary art students in Vermont and religious Muslims from North Africa.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. TDTim Dillon
  Good luck. [laughs]
28. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
29. TDTim Dillon
  But I mean, that's-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  But it's amazing the, the people that would be most opposed, the people that... Like if you do bring those people in, the people they're gonna hate the most are the people that want them in the most.
32:16 – 43:30
AI’s economic reset: homeownership, inequality, and tech ‘digital god’ fears
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you think that this is being done with a, a strategy knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society?
2. TDTim Dillon
  Yes. One th- I believe, this is what I believe. I believe no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house. N- people pay lip service to the idea, but there's, there's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age, who have never owned a home and never will, and no one's trying to... No one's wants them... They've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to, like, have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game, and they live in a little apartment. They type, you know? They're on a MacBook. They're getting radicalized in w- any direction. They're upset. They're on dating apps or whatever, but they, they, they don't feel like they have a, uh, foundational core to their life. No one has really, really even given them the idea that they're gonna get that. So I think that's just one of the things where people are, they're basically saying, like, "No. You don't need a house, and you're not getting a house, and forget what owning a house was. Like, forget that. That doesn't matter." And I think part of this is because they know. Same thing with healthcare. There's no real movement to give anyone healthcare in this country, and if it is, it gets shut down immediately. So on the positive side, you might go, "Well, they know that AI's coming and that AI's gonna do a lot of stuff with health, and it's going to help extend life spans and..." But also on the negative side, they go, "AI's gonna disrupt the economy to a point where, like, we're not gonna have people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're going to have a lot of people without a steady income, or they don't really know what to do. We're gonna have a lot of wealth that's existed, uh, a lot of capital, and we're gonna have tremendous inequality, and we're gonna have a lot of joblessness." So for sure, I think that they're, they're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way you can look at the landscape, 'cause they're selling the country off for parts, and this is both parties, and this is like they're selling it off for parts. So I mean, obviously there, something's coming. Something's coming, for sure, and I, I don't know when it is, and I'm sure the AI thing's overblown to an extent, and I think so much of our GDP depends on it that a lot of these companies are, are li- but Anthropics are creepy. These are creepy companies, you know? I mean, they're just creepy.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the amount of power-
4. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that tech companies have in general-
6. TDTim Dillon
  Totally
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... is unprecedented. There's never been corporations, I mean, unless you go back to, like, the East India Corporation that, you know, you, you go back in the day-
8. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah, right
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... where they, they had, like, a, an enormous army.
10. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
12. TDTim Dillon
  Totally.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And they took over India and Pakistan.
14. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And the... But if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that. Uh, b- b- you know, other than the army part, what they have is robot armies, and then they have AI, which Elon just recently said is gonna be, like, a million times smarter than the har- the smartest human that's ever lived.
16. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, this is the goal. The goal is to create literally a digital god, and it's going to be controlled by not us, not the collective human race. It's gonna be controlled by a select few group of people, and that's weird. Like, and we're just trusting them.
18. TDTim Dillon
  Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels, or you're not gonna get a vote on... You know, like-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
20. TDTim Dillon
  ... I think the, the, the reality is that eventually they're gonna go, "Do you want safe streets? Do you want food? Do you want a little bit of money?"
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. TDTim Dillon
  "You gotta do X, Y, and Z. You gotta believe X, Y, and Z."
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. TDTim Dillon
  And I mean, that seems to be coming.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, it seems like if you put people in a corner and you get them scared, they'll... This is what we learned during COVID. Like, they will back down. They'll, they'll go along with a lot of stupid shit.
26. TDTim Dillon
  They'll go to... They'll go, they'll try to find comfort.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
28. TDTim Dillon
  And they will listen to people that they deem to be ... worthy-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
30. TDTim Dillon
  ... you know?
43:30 – 46:39
Sterile modern life: digitization, anxiety, and the loss of purpose
1. TDTim Dillon
  ... I mean, there's gotta be some- I just look at technology and I go it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop around 2014, 2015, a lot of the new things started that came in made the world, to me, very impersonal-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
3. TDTim Dillon
  ... corporate, sterile, and cold.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. TDTim Dillon
  And the experiences that you get now, like our, you know, there was like, uh, you, if you, you know, I went with a friend of mine, we, we were in a McDonald's, and like you order on a touchscreen, there's nobody there. There's some nine-year-old kid going, "Hey, I ordered a McFlurry." Some woman's screaming at him, "Where's the receipt? What's the receipt?" He's like, "Nah." And he's like, "What?" There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  You take people out of everything, and then you don't also, they have no purpose.
7. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Especially consider the high number of unemployed people and checked out people, and then people that have whatever their job is has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So if they just do the job and then afterwards they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people.
9. TDTim Dillon
  But the ex-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  They're just watching their phone-
11. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah, totally
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they're playing video games. There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose.
13. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  They don't have a feeling of purpose. They don't have a thing that they're connected to.
15. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah. But some experiences are much worse now than they were-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Sure
17. TDTim Dillon
  ... before they were digitized. Like, I do think there was, just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is much easier, but there was something nice about going out in December during the Christmas season and, like, going to different places and seeing people and, like, the struggle of, like, getting the thing you want. There was something, I bet you were expending energy, you're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people. If we destroy all of that, what happens to the human psyche? That's my question.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see-
19. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you from, like, whatever the age of the internet kicked in, so it's like, what, '94 or something like that?
21. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up, and then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before-
23. TDTim Dillon
  Right
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... without real threats.
25. TDTim Dillon
  Totally.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, just regular anxiety-
27. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online.
29. TDTim Dillon
  Well, people are very, you know, attached to this idea that they have to weigh in on everything, that they have to have an, a fully formed opinion on everything.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
46:39 – 55:48
Culture wars and performative virtue: pride branding, corporatism, and cult dynamics
1. TDTim Dillon
  And they were able to live in a very, in a much simpler way, in a much happier way, with real genuine connections to people. And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now. Like, the generation that's coming up, you know, the younger people, I, I, they seem better off. Like the zoomers or whatever they are, they seem to be a little, they have a little, a, a dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little, you know, they have a good sense of humor. They're skeptical. They're a little cynical. They've seen all of these institutions, you know, churn out a lot of garbage, and I think they're, they're into, you know, some of the crypto stuff. They're into like, you know, they're, they're self-starters. They are, they're not institutionalists. Everyone I grew up with, and the generation directly under me, they're all institutionalists. They believe very strongly that knowledge is given through an approved, whether you're at NYU or whether it's the State Department or whether it's a board or whether it's, or whether it's, uh, an, a nonprofit that commissioned a study that proved a thing. A lot of these kids do not think for themselves. They d- and they're not kids. They're in their 30s, by the way. And they're in their 30s or 40s. They don't think for themselves. They've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad, it's racist, or it's, it's, uh, it can lead you down a road that you don't wanna go on. It's, um, you know, whatever. It's misogynist. It's homophobic. Like, whatever questions you're asking, like why do the Padres get, why do the Padres have to wear gay uniforms? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
3. TDTim Dillon
  Like, as a gay person, I never said, "Why, I need the Padres to be gay." Why are the Padres gay?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  How does the Pad- what does the Padres uniform look like?
5. TDTim Dillon
  Well, it, they're making them wear p- like gay things on the uniform.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Like pride stuff?
7. TDTim Dillon
  It's like pride stu- I don't think it's like a dildo on their head, but I think it's like pride stuff. I mean, like-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  What happens when they play in Dearborn?
9. TDTim Dillon
  Well, it's not gonna, it's not gonna go well. But it's like why is Citibank gay? Why is Chase, why is Chase gay? What is it, why does this help anyone that a corporation is, is trans? Why is Chobani yogurt trans?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
11. TDTim Dillon
  What's the point of this? I don't understand. Does this get people healthcare? Does this make people happy? Does this satisfy-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  It ha- it makes some people happy.
13. TDTim Dillon
  It makes some people happy that I worry about because I just don't understand, and it makes mo- more people angry. And that's why gay marriage has lost 11 points in support. More people are annoyed. They're like, "We're all cool with however people wanna live their lives." A lot of, most people are, but they're like, "Why is my bank gay?"
14. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
15. TDTim Dillon
  "When, [scoffs] when did my bank come out as gay?"
16. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
17. TDTim Dillon
  "And, like, I'm okay with it, but could somebody have told me?" Like, what are we doing? I don't... This doesn't make anybody's life better. It is the, it is just virtue signaling horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what they want. They think it increases acceptance. It decreases it because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat. And at the end of the day, it's like if I went to a restaurant, for example, I have no problem with Scientology-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
19. TDTim Dillon
  ... on record. By the way, I like it. I like cults. I like cults. Children have too many rights. Put them on that boat, whatever you do, Sea Org, make them work. Don't rape them, but make them swab the deck. Whatever they do on that boat. And I don't have a problem with Scientology, and I don't like the people who leave Scientology and then rat on it after it got them all these movie parts. I think that's fucked up, too. I think it's fucked up. I think they're rats, and I know you've had some of them on. Sorry.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
21. TDTim Dillon
  But I think they're rats. If you are, do something for 30 goddamn years and get rich and famous, shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your house and shut your mouth about it. Don't then try to go on, a, uh, your new era is that you're gonna dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich. Anyway.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
23. TDTim Dillon
  But if I went... So that's just an aside. That's just an aside. It's truly. But that's the way I feel. It's like the-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Shout out to Sto- Tom Cruise.
25. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Hangs in there.
27. TDTim Dillon
  Dangs in.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Hangs-
29. TDTim Dillon
  Can you imagine how gross that would be?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in there.
55:48 – 1:12:05
Cannibal headlines to real warlords: Armie Hammer and ‘General Butt Naked’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? It's scary punishment. Have you seen this, uh, new Armie Hammer movie that is out now?
2. TDTim Dillon
  No, but-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Some vigilante movie
4. TDTim Dillon
  ... he's great. [laughs] Fan of him. Big fan of him. Think he's great. Love everything he's doing, and I like it. And I like that you can't get canceled. People come right back.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean, I mean, uh, if this movie's gonna bring him back, I should say. I mean, I, what did he say? I mean, he said he wanted to eat girls?
6. TDTim Dillon
  He was, he was-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  He was texting that he wanted to eat them?
8. TDTim Dillon
  He, he wanted to eat a couple of people. You know-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I-
10. TDTim Dillon
  ... is that a problem?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  But is it real? Is it just crazy talk via text messages?
12. TDTim Dillon
  Even if it was, even if it was [laughs] is it consensual or not?
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, is it just saying-
14. TDTim Dillon
  I th-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... wild things?
16. TDTim Dillon
  I th-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, what is... Is it-
18. TDTim Dillon
  Listen.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  What is it?
20. TDTim Dillon
  He's, he, he, his fantasy was that he wanted to be a cannibal. That was his, like, fantasy. That was his kink. Now, it was fake, but if it c- if he was in a situation where it could've been real, yeah, he would've tried a heart. [laughs]
21. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] If-
22. TDTim Dillon
  If Armie Hammer-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Heart sashimi
24. TDTim Dillon
  ... if Armie Hammer had the money to arrange this, and some people in our country do, um, if he had the money to arrange it, he's trying a heart, 1,000%. And by the way, does it make me hate him? Does it make me hate him? As long as the person was dead already, I'm against it. I would never do it, but if you told me, this is how f- open I am to different people. If you told me Armie Hammer, uh, there was a, somebody died, and there was a heart, and Armie Ham- Hammer tried a little bit of the heart, I'd go, "Hey, fine. Live and let live."
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you know the story of General Butt Naked?
26. TDTim Dillon
  No. [laughs]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  General Butt Naked is a, a guy in Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa. I don't want to fuck this up, so let's be, let's check on this. I think what happened in Liberia is they released a bunch of slaves from the United States and sent them to Liberia, like, after slavery was abolished.
28. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  And I think Liberia has had a, a series of civil wars, like c- really crazy brutal ones. And in one of 'em, there's this guy named General Butt Naked, and Vice covered this guy. They, they interviewed him, and e- uh, essentially now he's a priest. He's a preacher, and he gave his love to Jesus Christ, and now-
30. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
1:12:05 – 1:37:27
UFOs, quantum mysteries, and hidden tech: drones, DMT entities, and secrecy
1. TDTim Dillon
  When's the last time you've done DMT?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  It's been a while.
3. TDTim Dillon
  Interesting.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
5. TDTim Dillon
  Should I do it?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Have you? Have you ever thought about it?
7. TDTim Dillon
  Should we all do it?
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. TDTim Dillon
  I'm gonna have a cigarette.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Are you thinking about it?
11. TDTim Dillon
  I'm thinking about maybe doing it.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  A lot of people have asked me about it-
13. TDTim Dillon
  It's 'cause-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... recently. Seems like it's in the news
15. TDTim Dillon
  ... that Pure Molecule thing years ago-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh-huh
17. TDTim Dillon
  ... was an awesome documentary.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  You know this Al- Andrew Gallimore guy?
19. TDTim Dillon
  No.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you know what he's doing? So he's, uh... What is his exact discipline? Is he a psychologist? Um, he's doing these things in a country where it's legal, where you fly there, and you do a five-hour DMT experience, like intravenous. He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist, and a writer, one of the most, world's leading experts on psychedelics. Very interesting guy. And, uh, he's creating this place. I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name of the place?
21. SPSpeaker
  No, it's on my other-
22. TDTim Dillon
  A lot of people I know do ayahuasca.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's an orally active version of DMT. This thing seems a little, little crazier because they can kind of regulate the dose much better, and they can keep you there for a long period of time. Eleusius. Okay.
24. TDTim Dillon
  Wow.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  So like, like the Eleusinian Mysteries from the, uh, from ancient Greece. So this place, it's in- Bequia, am I saying that right? In the Caribbean in March of 2026, and the aim is to study DMTX and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities. So one of the things that he's saying, so he was just on someone's podcast, [inhales] maybe Danny Jones. Uh, he was, been on this podcast as well. Uh, but one of the things that he was saying was that they keep going to the same place, that you can ac- Like, it's, y- y- they're actually trying to create a map of whatever this experience is. So instead of doing it like an ayahuasca ceremony or doing it like you're smoking DMT in a m- you know, some sort of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends and it's a 15-minute experience, instead of that, they're having repeated experiences in the same environments. Like, they, th- there's actually a place that you can go, and by regulating the dose-
26. TDTim Dillon
  Right
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... somehow or another over a prolonged period of time, it allows you to maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mappable. Okay, it was The Basement. That's what it was. So it is, uh, AJ from The Why Files, which is an awesome YouTube show if you've never seen it before. And so he's talking about it doesn't take you to somewhere new. It unlocked what's always there. Um, these guys are, they're trying to develop, like, maps of what this is, so they keep experiencing ... They're, they're, they're charting out different entities that you experience, and there's a bunch of different ones that you, you experience, and one of them I've seen multiple times is jesters.
28. TDTim Dillon
  Interesting.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  And these bizarre-looking psychedelic jesters.
30. TDTim Dillon
  Interesting.
1:37:27 – 1:42:17
Influence operations, crypto money, and the decline of legacy media trust
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Bitcoin thing's weird too. Like, you could transfer money in Bitcoin. There was a group of people that wanted me to advertise on my podcast, and it was a, um, like a meme coin thing, and that was like a platform, whatever. And then I was like, but their, like, identities were shrouded in... They, people knew who they were, but they were also very secretive 'cause they didn't wanna get kidnapped, and they split their time between Dubai and London. And CAA, you know, came to me and they were like, "Hey, they wanna give you a bunch of money." And I go, "What are they?" And CAA was like, "Well, you know, it's crypto..." You know, they don't, you know. I mean, demons from hell. No offense, love my people. [laughs] But they were, I was like, "I gotta meet them
2. TDTim Dillon
  I gotta meet them and sit down and talk to them as human beings and, like, ask them what their company does, everything like that. And then immediately once I requested that, they said, "Okay, they'll all meet you in Dubai and talk to you about the company." I said, "I can't. I need to know, like, I know, like, you know, whatever." They pulled the offer and wouldn't meet.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Interesting.
4. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. TDTim Dillon
  Well, so there's, there's all these sh- 'cause by the way, here's a great way to fuck someone, is to advertise on their show and then go, "By the way, the money came from Russia-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
8. TDTim Dillon
  ... and you didn't even know that." So-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, didn't that happen to a bunch of right-wing influencers?
10. TDTim Dillon
  I'm sure it happened.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Weren't they a part of some thing?
12. TDTim Dillon
  It's hard to know who knew what.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
14. TDTim Dillon
  But, like, it's great, is, what a great way to just make people appear compromised. So when somebody, when you go, "Where's this money coming from?"
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
16. TDTim Dillon
  Maybe it's an intelligence agency.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
18. TDTim Dillon
  Maybe it's ours, maybe it's someone else. But you start going like, all right, I need to sit down with you, have dinner with you. It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to know who... like, if these guys were legit or not, but the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a dinner tells me that, um, something was up. Also, a friend of mine who's working at a company that's producing young show, l- long form shows for YouTube creators told me that a lot of the money is coming from Democrat super PACs-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm
20. TDTim Dillon
  ... because they want a captive audience to be programmed politically. And not only Democrat super PACs, but, like, super PACs that are associated with certain issues and things like that. So what they're gonna start doing is, like, getting behind content and, you know, funding longer form things on social media platforms and, and things like YouTube or whatever. And then those companies that are, are, are kind of in the background of this will then say, "Oh, we have an audience of 5 or 10 million people watching this. We can, we can put political ads on it and, and whatever else."
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Jeez.
22. TDTim Dillon
  So I mean, this is kind of, I think, the future is going to be all, many things like this.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And when you can do it through something like crypto, like if you can-
24. TDTim Dillon
  Totally
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... hide your identity, like, who knows if it's even a real company. It could be a company designed entirely just for influence.
26. TDTim Dillon
  It's, it's very questionable. You have the intelligence world, you have the crypto world, and the, you know, you have the world of international crime syndicates. Like, they all are, live in that world. Um, and I'm not saying people that are into crypto are inherently suspect in any way. Obviously they're not. But there is a lot of, uh, fuckery going on with the in- intelligence stuff and the crypto. It's, like, obvious.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, clearly.
28. TDTim Dillon
  Clearly.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  The, when, whenever there's money, if y- the amount of money that you can make in crypto is fucking bananas, and it doesn't make any sense, right?
30. TDTim Dillon
  Right.
1:42:17 – 1:55:41
MAGA as spectacle, assassination attempts, and politics as ratings
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I was listening to your take on the White House UFC card-
2. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... being the end of MAGA.
4. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And that the moment when that guy said Michelle Obama's a man. [laughs]
6. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah. Well, it's just the greatest thing for if you're a deep, deep, hardcore... And I don't even mean the, like, the America First principles. I just mean, like, you're along for the ride. You're here for the party. There's a lot of MAGA people that I'm friends with that are deep, they, they, they're not political, they're along for the pa- they like to party.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
8. TDTim Dillon
  They want fun.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
10. TDTim Dillon
  They're in Florida, it's 4:00 PM-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, yeah, yeah
12. TDTim Dillon
  ... they're drunk.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
14. TDTim Dillon
  You know what I mean?
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
16. TDTim Dillon
  And they're, they're in for the fun, and it's fun.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a part of it.
18. TDTim Dillon
  They have, like, they have, like, boat shows and regattas where, like, a bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags. When they're watching that UFC event in their house in St. Augustine or Tampa or, or fucking West Palm, whatever it is, and that guy stands up and goes, "Michelle Obama is a man," it's the culmination of things that you, they're not gonna beat that. It's hard to beat that. That w- there were houses that cheered when that happened.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  100%.
20. TDTim Dillon
  It was 100%. It cheered-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  How many do you think? Over the whole country.
22. TDTim Dillon
  It was audible in Florida.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
24. TDTim Dillon
  Florida I know for sure was audible. For sure people cheered, and it was like, listen-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, outside bars.
26. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah. You, I mean-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, in a bar
28. TDTim Dillon
  ... it was a party. The fights-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
30. TDTim Dillon
  ... were good.
1:55:41 – 2:21:55
Israel, Iran, and taboo debate: donor influence, blowback, and endless war incentives
1. TDTim Dillon
  Well, there's gotta be room for nuance. Like, October 7th was horrible. Hamas is not good. We all know this. However, you also cannot look at what's gone on the last few years and think that Israel has not, number one, perpetra- you could call it, I, I call it a genocide. People can call it anything they want. Doesn't matter. It's a campaign of, of mass murder where a lot of people have died, civilians have died. Many children have died. People that are innocent have died. And they're doing, they're starting to do something similar in Southern Lebanon, and they're now talking about Turkey, going, "By the way, Turkey also is a pro-" Turkey's a NATO fucking country. So- The idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or the Israeli government or Israel or, or our relationship with Israel or the money makes you antisemitic is an insane thing. It's the exact thing that she fought against in race and gender. She fought against that Manichaean good and evil, black and white. She fought against it, and she was right. She was correct to say you should be able to have conversations about when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed to certain ideas, and when should they be able to make a determination about how they wanna live their life. And like, when is it appropriate for, um, people to call, you know, to, to designate between a protest and a legit- and a riot, and the silence is violence, and all of that stuff. She had really pretty logical opinions on all that stuff, but when it came to that one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  No, she is all in for Israel.
3. TDTim Dillon
  And that's fine. That's her, that's her choice, and to- and I get it. Um, but it's so obvious when a Mark Levin goes, "The president's great 'cause we're going into Iran. He, 'cause the president's great. He's the greatest leader of all time." And then he goes, "Well, this didn't work out like we thought. We're gonna make a deal, and we're gonna try to..." You know, and then Mark Levin goes, "This is a failure. This is a blunder. This is a strategic thing." And it's like, for who? Is it for us? It's not, not a failure for... Like, it's, it's clearly a failure for us, but like, it seems like, uh, the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants Iran neutered because they have aspirations regionally. Globally, but certainly regionally. So who's it a failure for? And that's a fair question, and I, I think it's like, there's... You cannot be able to have that conversation without being tarred and feathered as someone who's, like, a conspiracy mongering antisemite, which is, like, very... There's a s- group of people that are, but a lot of people just want sanity, and this is not i- this is not sane.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  And just like you were talking about with the banks forcing that shit down people's throats, that it's-
5. TDTim Dillon
  Yes
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... gonna make them... Yeah.
7. TDTim Dillon
  Yes.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Same thing.
9. TDTim Dillon
  Nobody understands blowback. Like, the CIA term blowback when you, like, go into a country, kill everyone, and then go, "You like us, right?" And they go, "No. Not really. We killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want the mall? We're gonna build a mall." They go, "No, we're gonna, we're gonna bomb you and try to kill you." This is blowback. There's blowback when you shut down conversations. And f- and, and i- in order to shut people up, you gotta pay 'em or kill 'em. That's the only way to do it. If you don't pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're gonna talk. They're... A- and if, if you don't, if you limit that, they're going to get angrier, and the blowback is going to be intense.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Well said.
11. TDTim Dillon
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I mean, that's entirely accurate.
13. TDTim Dillon
  CBS News, I'll go on. That's the thing.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
15. TDTim Dillon
  I have no beef with her. I like her. I like that she's in a bunker. I will go onto that show. I'm there.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  One of the things that I thought was hilarious, it was some fake story, was that they were gonna bring me on for 60 Minutes.
17. TDTim Dillon
  Everyone keeps saying that.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
19. TDTim Dillon
  I texted you about it. I'm like, "Are you doing 60 Minutes?" I thought that was wild, but why not?
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Ugh.
21. TDTim Dillon
  I mean, what i- you know, half the staff has left. One of... That guy, that guy Bill Pelley just got out.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. TDTim Dillon
  She got out, and then she's got that Dokoupil, whatever his name is, in the Evening News crying like a psychopath.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Who's that?
25. TDTim Dillon
  He's the guy who does the CBS Evening News, and his first, his first episode, he's in Miami, and he's crying. Can you get that up? It's unbelievable.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Why is he crying?
27. TDTim Dillon
  He's the anchor of the news.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Why is he crying?
29. TDTim Dillon
  He's crying because he's... He starts talking about his family and how he grew up in Miami. It's unbelievable. This is the guy who was selected to, to run the CBS Evening News, to be the anchor of the CBS Evening News, and, like, he does this thing where he's in Miami, and they take him out of the chair because they wanna start... She's shaking it up. Barry's shaking it up. So instead of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they bring him to Miami to, like, visit his childhood places, and he starts sobbing in a... I forget. It was, like, a restaurant or something. Jamie, you can find it.
30. SPSpeaker
  The clip didn't have him crying for some reason. It was just talking about-
2:21:55 – 2:33:38
What breaks next: debt, AI arms race, social credit fears, and 2028 predictions
1. TDTim Dillon
  And it, and it won't survive. Cl- it clearly can't survive the way we're in w- is it $40 trillion worth of debt?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  It's close.
3. TDTim Dillon
  Right?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  It was at 39.
5. TDTim Dillon
  No one thinks that's getting paid back.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Who do we owe it to? Tell them to go fuck off.
7. TDTim Dillon
  Right. So we have [laughs] a lot of it's China.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
9. TDTim Dillon
  But, like, no one thinks that's getting paid back. The dollar as the world's reserve currency seems to have a l- a limited amount of time. I, I don't know, but this is what's discussed. Um, no, I mean, how does this system survive this level of information? People are not gonna-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you think that this whole race to AI, this, like, Manhattan Project style race that's going on right now, like, the future of whatever the United States is kind of depends on us getting there first, right?
11. TDTim Dillon
  I think part of it is that-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  If we don't get there first, then it's probably a wrap. If you really thought about it, like if China-
13. TDTim Dillon
  Sure
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... gets there first, if control of resources-
15. TDTim Dillon
  If we really depend-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and everything's shut off
17. TDTim Dillon
  Sure.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, whatever w- w- how, what... If it's weaponized, like-
19. TDTim Dillon
  My worry is that in the guise of fighting China, we're gonna become China.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah, yeah. No.
21. TDTim Dillon
  You know? So I-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
23. TDTim Dillon
  ... I would take the government a lot more seriously if they weren't, you know, potentially having like, like p- saying Palantir should merge all these different government databases.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
25. TDTim Dillon
  So your health data and your criminal justice data and your tax data all merges, and who's doing that? Palantir. So you go... And then they go, "Well, China's got a credit score." Well, what the hell is that?
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. TDTim Dillon
  What the hell is this? What?
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
29. TDTim Dillon
  So when Vance comes out and he goes, "I'm worried about a credit score," it's like, okay. Hey, buddy, me too.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]

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Intro

Cigarettes, sobriety, and why smoking still looks "cool"

Europe vs. America: food, smoking, and the shock of Buc-ee’s and Costco

Apocalypse prepping and the LA reality: fires, riots, and fleeing the city

How Palm Springs (and old LA wealth) came to be

LA in decline: show business leaving, regulation, and civic dysfunction

Cleaning up cities: Atlantic City, NYC’s 90s shift, and Giuliani’s legacy

AI, surveillance, and speech: the next political battlefield

UK grooming gangs, suppressed reporting, and the politics of “progress”

Immigration, assimilation, and social fragility: Europe, Ireland, Sweden

A ‘global plan’? Chaos, new laws, and empathy as a political weapon

AI’s economic reset: homeownership, inequality, and tech ‘digital god’ fears

Sterile modern life: digitization, anxiety, and the loss of purpose

Culture wars and performative virtue: pride branding, corporatism, and cult dynamics

Cannibal headlines to real warlords: Armie Hammer and ‘General Butt Naked’

UFOs, quantum mysteries, and hidden tech: drones, DMT entities, and secrecy

Influence operations, crypto money, and the decline of legacy media trust

MAGA as spectacle, assassination attempts, and politics as ratings

Israel, Iran, and taboo debate: donor influence, blowback, and endless war incentives

What breaks next: debt, AI arms race, social credit fears, and 2028 predictions

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