Joe Rogan Experience #2519 - Scott Eastwood

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 2:49

   North Performance supplements: all-in-one vitamin “satchel” and what’s inside

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Scotty.

   2. SEScott Eastwood0:13

      Hey.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother. What's happening?

   4. SEScott Eastwood0:15

      You know, back in the seat. Back in the hot seat.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You're looking good, dude. Look at you, you handsome bastard. What's this box?

   6. SEScott Eastwood0:22

      This is, uh, the best supplements on the planet, sourced from Japan, America, and Switzerland. North Performance, Dr. Massey. Do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. He started the company. I'm involved. I'm, I'm getting, you know, heavily involved in the ownership of it, and, uh, I'm excited about it. It's a one... You take it a day, like, one satchel. It's got all the, all the sh- you know

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:46

      Oh, so it's like a pre-pack?

   8. SEScott Eastwood0:48

      It's a pre-pack.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:49

      Ooh, I like pre-packs.

   10. SEScott Eastwood0:50

       You got one and done.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       I don't like to think.

   12. SEScott Eastwood0:52

       Exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Give me pre-pack.

   14. SEScott Eastwood0:53

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah. I like the... I take, uh, Pures now. I take, um, [lips smack] uh, Pure encapsulations. They have those little men's ultra packs or whatever it's called.

   16. SEScott Eastwood1:03

       Yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       I take those every day-

   18. SEScott Eastwood1:04

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... with a bunch of other shit.

   20. SEScott Eastwood1:05

       Yep. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       I'll try your stuff, though.

   22. SEScott Eastwood1:07

       Okay. Check it out.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       So what's so special about these vitamins?

   24. SEScott Eastwood1:10

       [lips smack] You know, it's just, uh, it's more for the person who's, like, wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, your MNN-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       All of it in one supplement?

   26. SEScott Eastwood1:21

       It's big. You'll see. That's the-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Let me see. Pull, pull that bitch out.

   28. SEScott Eastwood1:24

       Let's open it up, baby.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       Let's go.

   30. SEScott Eastwood1:25

       Let's fucking go. [grunts]
3. 2:49 – 6:49

   Supplement skepticism vs optimization: bloodwork, clinics, and dosing reality

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:49

      So you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever send this stuff out for third-party testing? Do you ever do that?

   2. SEScott Eastwood2:54

      It's totally-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      Yeah

   4. SEScott Eastwood2:54

      ... third-party tested.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      Mm.

   6. SEScott Eastwood2:55

      So my, my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like, "I want the best of the best." He's, like, 55, but he's an adventure athlete. And he's like, "I want the best of the best."

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      All in one.

   8. SEScott Eastwood3:07

      "I don't care what it costs." And then he's like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      Yeah

   10. SEScott Eastwood3:09

       ... "Wait a sec. I think I can make a business out of this." So that's where we are.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Good for you, dude.

   12. SEScott Eastwood3:13

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       Okay. So for people at home, what's the name of the company again?

   14. SEScott Eastwood3:16

       North Performance.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       North Performance.

   16. SEScott Eastwood3:17

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       And is there a website they can go to?

   18. SEScott Eastwood3:19

       Yep. It's... We're just launching it. It's gonna be on subscription-based. Come to your house every month.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Oh, nice.

   20. SEScott Eastwood3:24

       You don't have to think about it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Ooh, I like not thinking.

   22. SEScott Eastwood3:26

       Yep.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       You got me.

   24. SEScott Eastwood3:27

       [laughs]

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       Got me hooked already, son. [laughs]

   26. SEScott Eastwood3:29

       Nice.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       All the things. Volume, so I'm a g- I'm believing in it.

   28. SEScott Eastwood3:33

       Yep.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       You know? Uh, when... I know of your... You're a very reputable and ethical guy.

   30. SEScott Eastwood3:37

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
4. 6:49 – 10:18

   Blue Zones, real food, and why Europe feels better

   1. SEScott Eastwood6:49

      I mean, if you're, if you're looking at the blue zone, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      Yeah.

   3. SEScott Eastwood6:53

      They essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet, and so kind of a variety of everything. They don't just eat red meat.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      Mm-hmm.

   5. SEScott Eastwood7:01

      But they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat, and they do drink wine. And they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch of everything. And, you know, there's a bunch of other factors as well, you know, purpose-

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:14

      Physical activity

   7. SEScott Eastwood7:15

      ... physical activity-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:16

      Yeah

   9. SEScott Eastwood7:16

      ... community, blah, blah, blah, blah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       I think a, a big one with all these blue zone people is they're just eating real food.

   11. SEScott Eastwood7:22

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       That's the real problem. What, what people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet, as delicious as it tastes, is like-

   13. SEScott Eastwood7:32

       Garbage

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       ... it's bad for you.

   15. SEScott Eastwood7:34

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       It's actually bad for you.

   17. SEScott Eastwood7:36

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       It's not good for you. Real food is good for you.

   19. SEScott Eastwood7:39

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a, a nice salad and a glass of sparkling water, that's actually really good for you.

   21. SEScott Eastwood7:51

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Whereas, versus if you go and have a fucking Jack in the Box double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries, like that's poison.

   23. SEScott Eastwood8:00

       It's poison.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       It's delicious poison.

   25. SEScott Eastwood8:02

       Now, I will say, I just got back from Europe. My body there feels so much better, and I eat pretty healthy, okay? I eat healthy here, and I eat pretty healthy there.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       Yeah, everybody has the same story.

   27. SEScott Eastwood8:13

       So what's going on?

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       It's our food. Our food's bad. The, it's, there's a guy who broke it down. Remember that dude with the cowboy hat, Jamie? Remember that cat who's, uh, really good at breaking down nutrition facts? Uh, he broke down what-

   29. SEScott Eastwood8:27

       The gluten is-

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       What-
5. 10:18 – 13:19

   Bread, dairy, raw foods, and the business model behind U.S. additives

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      It starts stinking. That's the, that's the cat. So this dude, listen to what this guy says. He's, so he's talking to this guy.

   2. SPSpeaker10:25

      I've been gluten-free and-

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:26

      This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe

   4. SPSpeaker10:29

      ... Canada, America, can't eat it. That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago we started stripping the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf-stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize, therefore many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough so they bleached it with chlorine gas. And the bread didn't rise enough so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. Uh, I need some-

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:26

      Shout out to this guy. His name is Denny Dore. Uh, Denny, D-E-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram. He's got a-

   6. SEScott Eastwood11:34

      I just gotta fuck with the audio there 'cause that song will-

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fu-

   8. SEScott Eastwood11:37

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:38

      Yeah.

   10. SEScott Eastwood11:38

       So what I get from that, and I have seen this actually-

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Damn it

   12. SEScott Eastwood11:40

       ... it's just essentially pure greed-

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:43

       Yeah

   14. SEScott Eastwood11:43

       ... to keep bread shelf-stable for longer, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:46

       Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf-stable stuff that... And the problem is it was, it was greenlit, right? So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RF- RFK Jr. came in and said, "You have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals."

   16. SEScott Eastwood12:06

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       And they were saying-

   18. SEScott Eastwood12:08

       Seems reasonable

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       ... they were saying, "This is gonna ruin our business." And he was like, "You already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada," because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes.

   20. SEScott Eastwood12:17

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       The same cereal they make in the United States, and it looks not as good-

   22. SEScott Eastwood12:22

       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       ... 'cause it doesn't have the, the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes-

   24. SEScott Eastwood12:25

       Reds, yeah

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       ... that give you fucking cancer.

   26. SEScott Eastwood12:27

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:28

       But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way, and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fucking hire lobbyists.

   28. SEScott Eastwood12:37

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       They hire lobbyists. They get their guys into the FDA. They get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected, and then we keep eating dog shit, and we keep getting poisoned. And you go to Italy, and you have a spaghetti, and you feel great.

   30. SEScott Eastwood12:53

       Yeah.
6. 13:19 – 19:29

   Health politics and groupthink: why good ideas get rejected

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      Yeah, we live in a weird world, man, a world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideology. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like, when I was a kid, we used to go to, uh, the health food store. My, my parents were hippies, and they would buy, like, whole wheat bread and, you know... Like, they would try to buy, like, organic food. Like, the, the, the... And that was the thing on the left, avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this- it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Jr., there's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody-

   2. SEScott Eastwood13:58

      Yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      ... because somehow or another, they, they have this connected to some right-wing, anti-science position. Like, God, you guys are getting brainwashed. We, we should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food.

   4. SEScott Eastwood14:11

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:11

      We've- we're not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest fucking people on Earth, while also being the most wealthy country.

   6. SEScott Eastwood14:21

      Yeah, gr- uh, groupthink is, like, a crazy thing. It's a, uh, it's, it's, it's kind of... It's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping onto something they're- they've been told or is in their echo chamber-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:38

      Yeah

   8. SEScott Eastwood14:38

      ... or whatever, you know what I mean? I like to think, no matter what issue it is, I'm like, "Okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides." Maybe there's, like... And maybe there's some in between. That's... Both things can be true.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:50

      Yes, for sure, and that's a problem. If you, if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying, and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. Like, I think the groupthink that we have to all really align with is the groupthink of being open-minded, being, like, tr- actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas, and also recognize that you are not your ideas.

   10. SEScott Eastwood15:18

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them.

   12. SEScott Eastwood15:22

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       You are you, and if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas.

   14. SEScott Eastwood15:32

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't based on information, based on the reality of whatever, whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter it is. But the reality is, like, you can't be married to your ideas because they'll fuck you. They'll fuck you over every time. [laughs] It's, like, it's not going to work.

   16. SEScott Eastwood15:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to say, "Even though I hate this guy, he's right about that." It's very important.

   18. SEScott Eastwood15:58

       Yeah, like, it's okay to be wrong.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       Yeah. Even though I think-

   20. SEScott Eastwood15:59

       It's okay to go, "Hey-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       ... this guy's a piece of shit-

   22. SEScott Eastwood16:00

       ... I was wrong about that"

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       ... when he sa- he lies about a lot of things-

   24. SEScott Eastwood16:03

       Yeah

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       ... but that thing that he's saying is actually true.

   26. SEScott Eastwood16:05

       Well, here's an even, to go even a little more, maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about, is they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice in a team, that's when you're like, "Well, fuck that. They're taking our money. They're- we're paying all these taxes. We're doing these things, and we actually don't have a choice."

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Right.

   28. SEScott Eastwood16:37

       Maybe that's the reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue, and it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions, the big money.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       Yeah, well, well, for sure they benefit from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They b- they benefit from people arguing over whatever it is, Pride Month or whatever it is.

   30. SEScott Eastwood16:58

       Yeah.
7. 19:29 – 21:52

   Culture-war distraction and power: divide-and-conquer dynamics

   1. SEScott Eastwood19:29

      No, it was, we were actually talking about it. My buddy gave me a lift here, uh, today on his plane, and he's a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue, and I, and I was like, "Why do you think you get riled up about it?" I was like, "Do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division and that like what..." You know, like if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000-foot level, it's like you're getting riled up about an idea about a sound that's coming out of [laughs] someone's mouth.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:03

      Right.

   3. SEScott Eastwood20:04

      Like, you're letting that affect you?

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:05

      Right, and it's not affecting your real life, but you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue, but is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere?

   5. SEScott Eastwood20:17

      I know. I was, I was-

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:18

      Probably not

   7. SEScott Eastwood20:18

      ... I couldn't, thinking about like, I was thinking-

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:20

      Right

   9. SEScott Eastwood20:20

      ... about it, I was like, "You're this, you know-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:21

       Especially that guy [laughs]

   11. SEScott Eastwood20:21

       ... billionaire, and you're upset about that." And I go, "You're wasting your time thinking about that-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       Right

   13. SEScott Eastwood20:28

       "... instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about."

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       Yeah.

   15. SEScott Eastwood20:32

       It was interesting.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:33

       Well, it's, I mean, it's always been a tool. As much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face and we really have a real cultural issue that we have to... I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by-

   17. SEScott Eastwood20:46

       Divide and conquer

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:47

       ... yeah.

   19. SEScott Eastwood20:47

       Art of war, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       Yeah.

   21. SEScott Eastwood20:48

       I mean, it's the playbook.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       From the beginning.

   23. SEScott Eastwood20:49

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:49

       Yeah, and it's important, and it's one of the beautiful things about our country, uh, is that we have two parties, so it's so easy to do 'cause it's just t- good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys-

   25. SEScott Eastwood21:01

       In between guys [laughs]

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       ... pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic but know how to kill folks. I like them. [laughs] Like, let's go to the-

   27. SEScott Eastwood21:06

       Yeah, let's go to that side

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:07

       ... go, go towards that guy.

   29. SEScott Eastwood21:07

       Yeah, no, can't have that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       Let's go to the discipline side.
8. 21:52 – 24:16

   Trans policy, public safety, and taboo crimes: where empathy breaks

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:52

      It doesn't mean you're gonna use them all the time. Like, this is crazy. You could kill people with a variety of different methods, you know? You don't, you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to... There's a whole bunch of... Like, they're kinda moving away from that now in a big way. Uh, they're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing in school ath- athletics and, 'cause it's like-

   2. SEScott Eastwood22:20

      Yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:21

      ... after a certain amount of fucking championships, you know, you just gotta go, "Hey-

   4. SEScott Eastwood22:25

      Come on, guys

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:25

      ... that's a guy." [laughs]

   6. SEScott Eastwood22:26

      That's a guy [laughs] fighting women.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:29

      Like, like, like be kind, be sweet. Those people-

   8. SEScott Eastwood22:30

      Yeah

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:30

      ... have always exist, but also you're letting them into the women's room, and now you could have perverts who just say they're trans, and they can go in the women's room, too.

   10. SEScott Eastwood22:36

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:36

       Like, you didn't think about this.

   12. SEScott Eastwood22:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:38

       You, uh, the fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the, the most hated and the, the most, like, looked out, like make sure that they don't come near you, psychopathic perverts. Like, psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that wanna go in women's bathrooms, guys that wanna, like, grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying.

   14. SEScott Eastwood23:03

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:04

       And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, "Fuck, I missed the boat."

   16. SEScott Eastwood23:13

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:13

       You know, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of-

   18. SEScott Eastwood23:15

       [laughs]

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:16

       ... creepy shit, pretending you're a woman.

   20. SEScott Eastwood23:19

       I think we should just be able to hunt, hunt them.

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:22

       [laughs]

   22. SEScott Eastwood23:23

       Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:26

       Real perverts? Yeah.

   24. SEScott Eastwood23:27

       Like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:27

       The thing is, like-

   26. SEScott Eastwood23:28

       ... kid, kid, child molesters-

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       Yes

   28. SEScott Eastwood23:29

       ... people per-

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       100%

   30. SEScott Eastwood23:29

       ... like, no, no problem. Just let's go hunt them.
9. 24:16 – 29:07

   Immigration, religious law, surveillance, and why rights need enforcement

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:16

      It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too, and if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care, and we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot.

   2. SEScott Eastwood24:36

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:36

      But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans that are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about, with Tim Dillon, what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. All these, like, liberal people are like, "Yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing." So they got a Muslim mayor, and the first thing he did is, like, no more pride flags. Shit's illegal. 'Cause y-

   4. SEScott Eastwood24:58

      Yeah

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:58

      ... what he would like is Sharia law. Like, the, if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide, how many of them would like Sharia law? And it's, it's a, it's not a small amount. You know? That's their religion. That's what they... But the problem with that is, like, you can't push that on other people. If you wanna have your mosque and you wanna pray five times a day, wonderful. You should be able to do that, 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact that there's all sorts of different ways of, uh, worshiping God. Great. I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking-

   6. SEScott Eastwood25:30

      Yeah

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:30

      ... over and putting in values that, first of all-

   8. SEScott Eastwood25:35

      Degrading women

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:36

      ... gross- yeah

   10. SEScott Eastwood25:36

       ... ma- machinations

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:36

       ... grossly deteriorate women's rights

   12. SEScott Eastwood25:38

       Yeah, yeah

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:38

       ... grossly.

   14. SEScott Eastwood25:38

       That's bad.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:39

       Yeah.

   16. SEScott Eastwood25:39

       That's when it falls apart completely.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       Well, and that's their culture.

   18. SEScott Eastwood25:42

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:42

       And you have to understand that that's, they've accepted. When they're wearing those traditional g- head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture, and they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like, you should be able to do it if you want to, but the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have n- the, the same sort of national rights. Every sh- city should have the rights that we have, where w- you can wear whatever you wanna wear, practice whatever religion you wanna practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted, one way or the other.

   20. SEScott Eastwood26:21

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       But when you get a country like England that just lets them in, mass migration, and then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it, that's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting this society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, "Hey, we're gonna make new laws to protect you," because-

   22. SEScott Eastwood26:40

       Mm

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:41

       ... you need to protect... So you have cer-

   24. SEScott Eastwood26:42

       Control

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       ... mass surveillance everywhere

   26. SEScott Eastwood26:44

       More control

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:44

       ... more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts, like thousands of them.

   28. SEScott Eastwood26:51

       I've, I've been hearing about that, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:52

       Oh, it's nuts

   30. SEScott Eastwood26:53

       It's pretty wild
10. 29:07 – 32:27

    Purpose, depression, and the ‘creator vs taker’ mindset

    1. SEScott Eastwood29:07

       You know what's interesting is, I, so I turned 40 in March, and, uh, I decided I was gonna take the year off. Uh, so essentially 39 to 40, right? And 'cause I'd been working, head down, for 20 years. Hadn't looked up. Been living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I thought it would make me... It would give me better perspective. It would maybe whatever. Uh, you know? Where's the, where am I going in the next 10 years, is kind of my thinking. Uh, and I actually got more depressed. [laughs]

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       [laughs]

    3. SEScott Eastwood29:41

       So I was like, "Wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed." And it kinda just goes back to just stay busy. Get up and do shit.

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:50

       Well, the thing is-

    5. SEScott Eastwood29:51

       I don't know

    6. JRJoe Rogan29:51

       ... you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love, and that is a gift. That's a real gift.

    7. SEScott Eastwood29:57

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:57

       And we're both very fortunate in that regard, and anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry. If you're doing what you love, you're so lucky.

    9. SEScott Eastwood30:07

       Create.

    10. JRJoe Rogan30:07

        You're so lucky.

    11. SEScott Eastwood30:07

        Go out and create.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:08

        Yeah.

    13. SEScott Eastwood30:08

        Don't take.

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:09

        Yeah.

    15. SEScott Eastwood30:10

        Be a creator, in, in anything. Like, if you're a plumber, whatever, you know? Fix someone's pipes.

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:14

        Yeah.

    17. SEScott Eastwood30:15

        Have a purpose and create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators, you know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:20

        Mm-hmm.

    19. SEScott Eastwood30:20

        It's like I was actually listening to a podcast and the guy said that, and I was like, "Yep, that's it." If you create, you're- ... exponentially happier, I think, 'cause you're, you're giving society something it didn't have

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:31

        Yeah, it's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah, and that's good for you, for sure. And I think, um, unfortunately, I... Look, I don't want a re- the [laughs] responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. I just like to do-

    21. SEScott Eastwood30:48

        Oh, you're not the on- I mean, you're not the only person

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:49

        No, of course

    23. SEScott Eastwood30:50

        But you are, you are

    24. JRJoe Rogan30:50

        But I-

    25. SEScott Eastwood30:51

        You are doing that

    26. JRJoe Rogan30:51

        ... I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things should be in schools. Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats-

    27. SEScott Eastwood31:03

        Mm-hmm

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:03

        ... give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool shit. Show, show them cool shit where they realize like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting.

    29. SEScott Eastwood31:13

        Yeah

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:13

        You know? It just has to be something you're interested in, and then they'll realize, like, "Oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something," instead of just being a cog in the wheel-
11. 32:27 – 40:22

    Mastery takes time: jiu-jitsu, ego, and performing under pressure

    1. JRJoe Rogan32:27

       But the problem is, like, with kids, it's everything today, they want it fast, really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't wanna go on a diet. They want get, you know, whatever it is. Fill in the blank with whatever thing that they wanna get really fast with, scams, crypto, anything where they're gonna get rich quick, you know, whatever they gotta do to get rich quick.

    2. SEScott Eastwood32:48

       Yeah

    3. JRJoe Rogan32:48

       Because it's like this, this TikTok mind culture where people just want that easy, quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a, a career path, like acting for instance, like what you did, first of all, you did it. You would think, "Oh, great, Clint Eastwood's dad. He'll help him." [laughs] Fucking-

    4. SEScott Eastwood33:09

       You made it worse for me [laughs]

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       It did.

    6. SEScott Eastwood33:12

       People were like, "Nah, dude."

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       But you had to prove that you were a really good actor for, like, a long time before people go, "Oh, yeah, Scott's actually really good." [laughs] Like, because it's always gonna be-

    8. SEScott Eastwood33:21

       Oh, wow

    9. JRJoe Rogan33:21

       ... you're Clint Eastwood's kid.

    10. SEScott Eastwood33:22

        Oh, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan33:23

        You know? And then he didn't fucking help you. But, like, your grind was... I know you. Your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and, and putting in the work. Most people see that, and they go, "Wait, how long is it gonna take?"

    12. SEScott Eastwood33:37

        What? 20 years

    13. JRJoe Rogan33:38

        14 years. 20 years. What?

    14. SEScott Eastwood33:41

        Yeah, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan33:41

        Like, when we talk to comics, that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like, most comedians say a comic isn't even really a comic till 10 years. The-

    16. SEScott Eastwood33:48

        10,000-hour rule, right? I mean, the-

    17. JRJoe Rogan33:50

        I don't know if that's real.

    18. SEScott Eastwood33:52

        Okay.

    19. JRJoe Rogan33:52

        There's something to that. There's something to reps, for sure, but I think intention as, is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time.

    20. SEScott Eastwood34:01

        Yeah

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:02

        I think-

    22. SEScott Eastwood34:02

        Like, if you're just mailing it in in the gym-

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:04

        Yeah

    24. SEScott Eastwood34:04

        ... it's not the same as-

    25. JRJoe Rogan34:05

        Yeah

    26. SEScott Eastwood34:05

        ... "I'm gonna build this or get-

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:07

        Mm-hmm

    28. SEScott Eastwood34:07

        ... really good at that."

    29. JRJoe Rogan34:09

        Yeah, 100%, especially with skills-related things.

    30. SEScott Eastwood34:12

        Yeah.
12. 40:22 – 59:48

    Psychedelics, marijuana, and drug legalization tradeoffs

    1. SEScott Eastwood40:22

       ... we should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms.

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:26

       Oh.

    3. SEScott Eastwood40:26

       Anybody who wants to be president.

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:27

       That'd be good. That'd be good.

    5. SEScott Eastwood40:28

       You do seven grams of mushrooms, we film it. We, we do it in a dark room-

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:32

       [laughs]

    7. SEScott Eastwood40:32

       ... with infrared cameras or, you know, night vision cameras.

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:35

       So you freak out.

    9. SEScott Eastwood40:36

       So... Yeah, yeah, we wanna know how well you handle God. [laughs]

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:40

        But also expand your mind a little bit.

    11. SEScott Eastwood40:42

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:42

        Don't be so rigid in your ways, right?

    13. SEScott Eastwood40:44

        Yeah. Well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it, and then you'll never think any differently again.

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:57

        Yeah.

    15. SEScott Eastwood40:57

        You're always gonna be like, "Okay, there's a part of this that's not real." [laughs] There's a part-

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:01

        Oh, no, I d- I... Trust me, I did the, uh, I did 5-MeO, and it was... I mean, that was some life-changing stuff.

    17. SEScott Eastwood41:09

        Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, "Oh my God, I killed myself."

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:13

        Yeah.

    19. SEScott Eastwood41:13

        Like, "I'm not around anymore."

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:14

        Yeah, yeah.

    21. SEScott Eastwood41:15

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan41:15

        And, and, and I think what, what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's, it, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again.

    23. SEScott Eastwood41:24

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:24

        Like, the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind.

    25. SEScott Eastwood41:30

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:30

        I mean, I, I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.

    27. SEScott Eastwood41:37

        Whoa.

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:37

        And I was like, "I'm just so-"

    29. SEScott Eastwood41:39

        That would've gotten uncomfortable after about five seconds. I'd been like, "Hey, Scott."

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:42

        [laughs] Be like, "Okay, I-"
13. 59:48 – 1:08:27

    Workout, ADHD/dyslexia, and a viral histamine theory

    1. SEScott Eastwood59:48

       Do you have ADHD?

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:49

       Oh, yeah, for sure.

    3. SEScott Eastwood59:50

       Okay. Same.

    4. JRJoe Rogan59:51

       I think everybody does.

    5. SEScott Eastwood59:52

       [laughs]

    6. JRJoe Rogan59:52

       Anybody who's any good at anything has it.

    7. SEScott Eastwood59:54

       Every ADHD guy thinks-

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:55

       Yeah

    9. SEScott Eastwood59:55

       ... everyone has [laughs] ADHD.

    10. JRJoe Rogan59:56

        I think it's, I think it's a superpower.

    11. SEScott Eastwood59:58

        No, I do, too. I always tell people, and, and you're probably dyslexic.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

        No. No, I read well.

    13. SEScott Eastwood1:00:03

        You're not dyslexic?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

        Yeah.

    15. SEScott Eastwood1:00:04

        Okay, 'cause that goes hand-in-hand-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

        Interesting

    17. SEScott Eastwood1:00:06

        ... quite often, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

        Huh.

    19. SEScott Eastwood1:00:07

        And, and I'm-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

        Are you dyslexic?

    21. SEScott Eastwood1:00:09

        I'm dyslexic. Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

        And now, so explain to me what you see when you, like, see text.

    23. SEScott Eastwood1:00:14

        I jump.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

        Oh.

    25. SEScott Eastwood1:00:15

        I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

        Uh-huh.

    27. SEScott Eastwood1:00:19

        My brain starts and then jumps, and then it goes to kind of fix it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

        Is it regardless of the subject matter? It's like, if you're think- if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing?

    29. SEScott Eastwood1:00:28

        Yeah. Now, it just takes intense focus-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

        Hmm
14. 1:08:27 – 1:21:54

    Surfing fear, sharks, gators, and nature’s ‘humility’ lessons

    1. SEScott Eastwood1:08:27

       You said something that was interesting, the, the being scared. Being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:08:33

       Yeah.

    3. SEScott Eastwood1:08:33

       Like, for me, when I, you know, it was, it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:08:37

       Oh, yeah.

    5. SEScott Eastwood1:08:38

       And, and, you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer. You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind about ... And, and happy because you've accomplished something. You've pushed your boundaries. You've kept pushing them and pushing them and pushing them.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:08:58

       How old were you when you started surfing?

    7. SEScott Eastwood1:09:00

       I was young. Uh, 8, 10.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:03

       Oh, wow.

    9. SEScott Eastwood1:09:04

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean r- you know, where it was like ... And, and you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you. And then it's, you know, the, you know, bigger than the room scare you. And, and you go through these ... And it kinda can be alm- you feel like life and death experience if you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:21

        Have you ever had a shark situation?

    11. SEScott Eastwood1:09:23

        I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's, um, that's been like, "Oh my God, I'm gonna die."

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:29

        Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, "Oh my God."

    13. SEScott Eastwood1:09:32

        [laughs]

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:32

        I'm on a styrofoam fucking-

    15. SEScott Eastwood1:09:35

        Yeah

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:09:36

        ... p- popsicle stick.

    17. SEScott Eastwood1:09:36

        Yeah, well, well there's a, there's a difference between, between, you know, seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat, uh, or seeing a shark you know isn't gonna hurt you, you know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:09:47

        What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark?

    19. SEScott Eastwood1:09:50

        [laughs]

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:09:50

        Bro, we're cool, right? [laughs]

    21. SEScott Eastwood1:09:51

        No, but look, you spent, you spend as much time in the wa- [laughs] You spend as much time in the, in the water as, as, you know, a surfer have done it their whole life, you, you, you kind of understand what, what sharks are gonna hurt you.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:10:03

        What's going on here, Jamie?

    23. SPSpeaker1:10:04

        Great whites stalking paddleboarders last week.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:10:06

        Oh, great.

    25. SPSpeaker1:10:08

        This is-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:10:09

        Oh, good Lord. Do they even know it's happening?

    27. SPSpeaker1:10:11

        Does not appear that way.

    28. SEScott Eastwood1:10:12

        They don't look like it, uh-uh.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:10:13

        Oh my God, how did they not see that fin?

    30. SEScott Eastwood1:10:15

        [laughs] Yeah.
15. 1:21:54 – 1:33:38

    Whales, longevity, and whether living forever is desirable

    1. SPSpeaker1:21:54

       Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it. Mentioned him earlier.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:22:00

       What happens?

    3. SPSpeaker1:22:00

       [laughs] This guy gets eaten by a whale.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:22:03

       No way.

    5. SPSpeaker1:22:04

       It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving as he-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:22:08

       Is it real?

    7. SEScott Eastwood1:22:08

       Just-

    8. SPSpeaker1:22:09

       I don't believe so

    9. SEScott Eastwood1:22:09

       ... crawling through that thing's mouth.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:22:11

        The guy's just stuck in the whale's mouth?

    11. SPSpeaker1:22:13

        No, it's not. [laughs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:22:13

        Oh.

    13. SPSpeaker1:22:13

        No, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:22:15

        Oh, boy. Oh, Jesus.

    15. SPSpeaker1:22:16

        And then the rest of the movie's about-

    16. SEScott Eastwood1:22:18

        Getting out?

    17. SPSpeaker1:22:18

        ... getting out, I guess.

    18. SEScott Eastwood1:22:19

        [laughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:22:20

        Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body?

    20. SPSpeaker1:22:22

        It's a real, a real complex plot.

    21. SEScott Eastwood1:22:22

        Like 85 to 95 minutes, I bet. [laughs]

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:22:24

        He's 85 to 95 minutes inside-

    23. SPSpeaker1:22:26

        I haven't seen a lot of the movie

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:22:26

        ... with his scuba tank inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude.

    25. SPSpeaker1:22:30

        Yeah, I'm just joking.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:22:31

        Oh my God, and it just keeps swallowing him?

    27. SPSpeaker1:22:33

        Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:22:34

        Oh, God damn it.

    29. SEScott Eastwood1:22:36

        [laughs] Is that real? Is that a new movie?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:22:37

        This is the real movie?
16. 1:33:38 – 1:53:51

    Acting craft and Hollywood reality: villains, ego, directing, and ethics

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:33:38

       You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you, like, to play a bad guy or to play, like, the World War II thing, you gotta play someone from a different era.

    2. SEScott Eastwood1:33:52

       Sure.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:33:52

       Which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you? 'Cause you're so nice.

    4. SEScott Eastwood1:33:56

       [laughs]

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:33:56

       Like, do you have, would you have, do you have a hard time when you play bad guys?

    6. SEScott Eastwood1:33:59

       Uh, well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was, like, you know, the ultimate, right?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:34:03

       Yeah.

    8. SEScott Eastwood1:34:03

       Uh-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:34:03

       He rules.

    10. SEScott Eastwood1:34:04

        Yeah. In, uh, Wrath of Man. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to. You know, you could, like, act out on your impulses a little bit. Uh, you know, you think of something fucked up in your head, and you're like, "Why would, why did I think that? I'm, I'm not gonna punch that person in the face."

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:34:24

        Right.

    12. SEScott Eastwood1:34:24

        "Why did I think that?" [laughs] You kind of, like, you know, to, like, a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you, you could kinda, like, revel in your own, like, messed up thinking.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:34:36

        Mm-hmm.

    14. SEScott Eastwood1:34:37

        Um, but I don't, I, I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think, uh, I think I wanna do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's, I think he's one of the best, best, best.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:34:49

        Ever. Look at you.

    16. SEScott Eastwood1:34:50

        Yeah. And so, you know, I was, I kinda, I had to kill a kid there.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:34:53

        Yeah, I know.

    18. SEScott Eastwood1:34:53

        And I was, I had to just do the dirty work and get it done.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:34:56

        You even look evil there, like something's, something's different.

    20. SEScott Eastwood1:34:59

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:34:59

        Look at your face.

    22. SEScott Eastwood1:35:00

        [laughs]

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:35:00

        Doesn't even look like you. Okay. You look evil.

    24. SEScott Eastwood1:35:04

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:35:04

        You look, like, legitimately evil.

    26. SEScott Eastwood1:35:05

        Yeah. Yeah, I was loose, I was tying up loose ends there.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:35:08

        Is it, um, when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil?

    28. SEScott Eastwood1:35:13

        A little. I'm, look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:35:17

        I know.

    30. SEScott Eastwood1:35:18

        I treat it, I treat it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that, like, like, let things become distorted in your mind. You have to-
17. 1:53:51 – 2:01:48

    Guy Ritchie crime stories and a real-life heist fighter: Lee Murray

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:53:51

       Like, there's this dude, his name is Lee Murray. Lee Murray, i- he was a UFC fighter. Uh, he was famous in London, in England, uh, for being, like, a street fighter and this, like, crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level, like, won in the UFC, and then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK.

    2. SEScott Eastwood1:54:13

       No way.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:54:13

       Oh, yeah, yeah. This guy was a full on psycho.

    4. SEScott Eastwood1:54:16

       He was a gangster.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:54:16

       So, oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight, and they made a video of him hitting mitts six weeks later. Six weeks later he's back in the gym, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. It, it's, he was a crazy person.

    6. SEScott Eastwood1:54:30

       Wow.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:54:30

       I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine in the first round.

    8. SEScott Eastwood1:54:33

       But so he got, he got arrested for this crime?

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:54:36

       Yep. Oh, yeah.

    10. SEScott Eastwood1:54:36

        For the, the-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:54:37

        Oh, he's still in jail

    12. SEScott Eastwood1:54:37

        ... he's still in prison.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:54:38

        He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life.

    14. SEScott Eastwood1:54:41

        Wow.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:54:41

        They stole an enormous amount of money, and they did it, like, in a very high tech, like w- like, like the movie Heat.

    16. SEScott Eastwood1:54:48

        Oh, wow.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:54:48

        Like, that crazy.

    18. SEScott Eastwood1:54:49

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:54:49

        Like, they had full masks on, armor, fucking body armor, the whole deal.

    20. SEScott Eastwood1:54:54

        Yep.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:54:55

        And how much did they steal?

    22. SEScott Eastwood1:54:57

        Um, 53 million pounds.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:55:01

        Oh, wow.

    24. SEScott Eastwood1:55:01

        Which is $92 million.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:55:02

        The biggest, I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.

    26. SEScott Eastwood1:55:06

        And did they, did they hurt-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:55:07

        It's the largest-

    28. SEScott Eastwood1:55:07

        ... they hurt people doing it?

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:55:09

        They didn't hug them. [laughs]

    30. SEScott Eastwood1:55:10

        [laughs]
18. 2:01:48 – 2:12:51

    World War II film ‘Lucky Strike’: veterans, moral clarity, and human evil

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:01:48

       Yeah, it's very disturbing. When you're playing, um, a, a character in, um, a period piece like that-

    2. SEScott Eastwood2:01:56

       Yeah

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:01:56

       ... what, what do you have to do in terms of, like, make sure you're behaving like they behaved and talking like they talked? Like, did you have to watch film of those old people and ...

    4. SEScott Eastwood2:02:07

       Yeah, you ta- you, you talk to a lot of people. In this case, this, this movie, um, uh, you know, was about ... Jeez, uh, the guys are all, you know, almost all passed away at this point. But I luckily got, um, got to meet a lot of veterans, because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet ... these folks and talk to them and, um, hear their stories, uh, see like sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories. And you realize, um, you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II, you know, so many people that did so many things that affect like our way of life, I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life. I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And, um, so you carry like that weight with you. Um, it's, it, it can be... If it's a real, if it's, you know, you know the person, you can watch tape on them, then you get a, you get that like luxury. But if you don't, then, you know, it's just, I think it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be as true as you can to that. It's, it, it comes with a cost doing, doing these movies because not only you go and, and make them, but then you go and promote them, and you meet these people. I met, uh, one of the oldest living veterans the other night at, um, at the Washington Archives in DC, 107 years old.

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:03:35

       Whoa.

    6. SEScott Eastwood2:03:36

       Colonel Stern. And got to hold his hand, you know, and, and really quite clear, still headed, like, I mean, he, like shockingly, when he spoke to me, I was like, "Oh my gosh." But you could feel that generation, that you could feel that, what he had been through. And he, he was, he was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:03:57

       Whoa.

    8. SEScott Eastwood2:03:57

       And you're like, "Oh." And then to have, have him tell us like we got it right, and that's what af- like, you know, like brought me to tears. I was like, I was like kinda like, I was shook. But so moments like that, it comes, you know, it's like, wow, this is, this is a great responsibility to tell this story.

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:04:14

       I can imagine having a conversation with 107-year-old guy who's been through war, and the war was what? How many years ago?

    10. SEScott Eastwood2:04:22

        1942.

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:04:23

        What is that? How many years ago is that?

    12. SEScott Eastwood2:04:26

        Um, so he would probably would've been 20. Yeah, so right. He would've been like -

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:04:30

        84.

    14. SEScott Eastwood2:04:31

        Yeah, something like that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:04:32

        84 years ago.

    16. SEScott Eastwood2:04:33

        Yep.

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:04:34

        And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're 107 years old, and your life is kind of defined by something that happened 84 years ago.

    18. SEScott Eastwood2:04:48

        Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's wild what they went through.

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:04:53

        Wild.

    20. SEScott Eastwood2:04:53

        I mean, wild. I mean, imagine, I mean, if they're like, "Hey, pack up, Joe, Scott."

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:04:57

        Right.

    22. SEScott Eastwood2:04:57

        Like, "We're, we're going to wherever it is," like, I don't know, wherever. "We're going right now."

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:05:04

        Poland. Yeah.

    24. SEScott Eastwood2:05:04

        "And we're gonna have to kill people."

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:05:07

        And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting? Like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast?

    26. SEScott Eastwood2:05:12

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:05:12

        Yeah.

    28. SEScott Eastwood2:05:13

        Um, what did you read, show?

    29. SPSpeaker2:05:14

        Just, um, the guy you met.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:05:16

        A battalion commander during World War II, Stern. His name was, uh, Senator Radcliffe.
19. 2:12:51 – 2:21:27

    Assassination attempts, misinformation, and self-fact-checking in real time

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:12:51

       You, you can... I mean, they've done it before. It's not... They didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that.

    2. SEScott Eastwood2:12:59

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:13:00

       If I had to guess. By some organization. I'm not saying it's, uh, the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction. Someone. It just... To, the... His background is too squeaky clean after it's over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives were gone. All of his computers were gone. He had more than one cellphone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid, and had no social media profile. The whole thing was fucked.

    4. SEScott Eastwood2:13:40

       Can you explain to me the, the, the theories going on with, like, the Charlie Kirk of it all? Because I know there's... I've heard a lot of, like, stuff, and a lot of smart people that I, like, respect are like, "There's something going on with that, that we don't know the full-"

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:13:54

       Well, there's something going on-

    6. SEScott Eastwood2:13:55

       "... extent."

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:13:55

       ... with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together again. Like, the whole thing makes no sense. They, they, I think they have footage of him and a backpack. So, but a backpack doesn't carry a gun, and so the, the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly. So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take... You gotta put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore, so you're gonna have to l- you're gonna have to sight that gun in, right?

    8. SEScott Eastwood2:14:34

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:14:34

       And if you sight that gun in, you, you're gonna wanna have targets to, to practice on. You're not just gonna take 140-yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk not knowing if your sight is on, 'cause you... I, I, I was, uh, hunting once and I fell with my rifle. And, uh, we went back to the range to test it, and it was off on a... So when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger.

    10. SPSpeaker2:15:00

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:15:00

        So it's just to, um, to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by six inches at 100 yards just by moving from a fall, you know? And so you have to check that, and then you have to sight the gun back in. You take a- you just take the scope off, and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's gonna be accurate.

    12. SPSpeaker2:15:21

        Hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:15:22

        And this kid's-

    14. SPSpeaker2:15:23

        Well-

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:15:23

        ... not like a marksman. He's, it's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is s- it's gro- the whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is, where the, you know, he's saying how he did it or he's gonna do it, they seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified, the footage that was in a yogurt shop that was, like, 20 minutes later? The guy, the guy's just chilling at a, some fucking frozen yogurt store.

    16. SPSpeaker2:15:56

        Hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:15:56

        That seems weird.

    18. SPSpeaker2:15:57

        What about the stuff with, like, the, the people that were, like, right around the shooting and stuff, and, like, is there, like, some weird... Is that, like, a-

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:16:04

        Well, there's a lot of people that think that some of them, that someone, some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of-

    20. SPSpeaker2:16:12

        Bullshit

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:16:12

        ... seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If, if I was standing there and I went like this, and at that moment someone got shot.

    22. SPSpeaker2:16:23

        Okay. Now we're-

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:16:23

        Is that a coincidence?

    24. SPSpeaker2:16:23

        Now we're making a mountain out of a mu-

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:16:25

        Yeah

    26. SPSpeaker2:16:25

        ... yeah, right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:16:25

        Or if you-

    28. SPSpeaker2:16:26

        People are, yeah

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:16:26

        ... look at your watch at a certain point and that, and that person gets shot. Like-

    30. SPSpeaker2:16:29

        Sure

Episode duration: 2:28:18