Joe Rogan Experience #2519 - Scott Eastwood

Joe Rogan 0:00 [upbeat music]

Joe Rogan 0:02 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Scotty.

Scott Eastwood 0:13 Hey.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Good to see you, brother. What's happening?

Scott Eastwood 0:15 You know, back in the seat. Back in the hot seat.

Joe Rogan 0:18 You're looking good, dude. Look at you, you handsome bastard. What's this box?

Scott Eastwood 0:22 This is, uh, the best supplements on the planet, sourced from Japan, America, and Switzerland. North Performance, Dr. Massey. Do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. He started the company. I'm involved. I'm, I'm getting, you know, heavily involved in the ownership of it, and, uh, I'm excited about it. It's a one... You take it a day, like, one satchel. It's got all the, all the sh- you know

Joe Rogan 0:46 Oh, so it's like a pre-pack?

Scott Eastwood 0:48 It's a pre-pack.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Ooh, I like pre-packs.

Scott Eastwood 0:50 You got one and done.

Joe Rogan 0:51 I don't like to think.

Scott Eastwood 0:52 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Give me pre-pack.

Scott Eastwood 0:53 Yep.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah. I like the... I take, uh, Pures now. I take, um, [lips smack] uh, Pure encapsulations. They have those little men's ultra packs or whatever it's called.

Scott Eastwood 1:03 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:03 I take those every day-

Scott Eastwood 1:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:04 ... with a bunch of other shit.

Scott Eastwood 1:05 Yep. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06 I'll try your stuff, though.

Scott Eastwood 1:07 Okay. Check it out.

Joe Rogan 1:08 So what's so special about these vitamins?

Scott Eastwood 1:10 [lips smack] You know, it's just, uh, it's more for the person who's, like, wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, your MNN-

Joe Rogan 1:19 All of it in one supplement?

Scott Eastwood 1:21 It's big. You'll see. That's the-

Joe Rogan 1:22 Let me see. Pull, pull that bitch out.

Scott Eastwood 1:24 Let's open it up, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Let's go.

Scott Eastwood 1:25 Let's fucking go. [grunts]

Joe Rogan 1:26 By the way, this is not an ad.

Scott Eastwood 1:28 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:28 I mean, I guess it is for Scott, but it's like-

Scott Eastwood 1:30 Well, I, I know you're-

Joe Rogan 1:30 ... we didn't organize this

Scott Eastwood 1:31 ... I know you're involved in, you're AG now. This is-

Joe Rogan 1:32 I know, but I just want people to know that, like-

Scott Eastwood 1:35 Yeah. But that's cool

Joe Rogan 1:36 ... I talk about cool shit regardless of whether or not it's an ad. And if something's gonna be an ad, I have to approve it.

Scott Eastwood 1:42 Ooh, look at you.

Joe Rogan 1:42 You need a knife?

Scott Eastwood 1:44 Yeah, let's bust it open.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Montana Knife Company, son.

Scott Eastwood 1:46 There you go. Good for cutting elk.

Joe Rogan 1:49 That's a skinner, boy.

Scott Eastwood 1:50 Okay. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:51 Look at that sucker.

Scott Eastwood 1:52 Shave that dog, teach it to hunt.

Joe Rogan 1:54 They make the best knives. Okay. All right, supplements. So, uh-

Scott Eastwood 2:01 It's a lot of stuff

Joe Rogan 2:01 ... how long have you been involved in the, the, the whole supplement thing? Like-

Scott Eastwood 2:05 No, I've-

Joe Rogan 2:05 ... you've always taken them?

Scott Eastwood 2:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06 Oh, it's all in powder?

Scott Eastwood 2:08 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Whoa. Bro, try dry scooping that, you're gonna choke to death. [box thuds] That's a [laughs] that's a lot of powder.

Scott Eastwood 2:14 It's a lot of powder.

Joe Rogan 2:15 That I believe, okay? Now, uh, uh, at least I'm more convinced-

Scott Eastwood 2:19 Yep

Joe Rogan 2:19 ... 'cause there's a lot of volume here.

Scott Eastwood 2:21 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Obviously, there's a lot of stu- like, if you took every vitamin that I take every day and you busted them up and put them into a powder form, it would be like this.

Scott Eastwood 2:28 Exactly. So it's 70-plus vitamins-

Joe Rogan 2:30 Oh

Scott Eastwood 2:30 ... in there, and that's the biggest thing, right? Like, efficacy and quantity.

Joe Rogan 2:35 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 2:35 You need the right amount.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Do you just mix this with water? Is that how you do it?

Scott Eastwood 2:38 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:39 [gasps]

Scott Eastwood 2:39 Mix it with a big water, and then you just don't have to think about it. 'Cause I was doing [can clinks] so many a day-

Joe Rogan 2:44 Right

Scott Eastwood 2:44 ... as you probably are.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:45 It's like, "Oh, dude."

Joe Rogan 2:47 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:47 "I ran out of that one. Oh, I gotta order that." [groans]

Joe Rogan 2:49 So you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever send this stuff out for third-party testing? Do you ever do that?

Scott Eastwood 2:54 It's totally-

Joe Rogan 2:54 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 2:54 ... third-party tested.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Mm.

Scott Eastwood 2:55 So my, my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially for himself. He was like, "I want the best of the best." He's, like, 55, but he's an adventure athlete. And he's like, "I want the best of the best."

Joe Rogan 3:06 All in one.

Scott Eastwood 3:07 "I don't care what it costs." And then he's like-

Joe Rogan 3:09 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 3:09 ... "Wait a sec. I think I can make a business out of this." So that's where we are.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Good for you, dude.

Scott Eastwood 3:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:13 Okay. So for people at home, what's the name of the company again?

Scott Eastwood 3:16 North Performance.

Joe Rogan 3:17 North Performance.

Scott Eastwood 3:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:17 And is there a website they can go to?

Scott Eastwood 3:19 Yep. It's... We're just launching it. It's gonna be on subscription-based. Come to your house every month.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Oh, nice.

Scott Eastwood 3:24 You don't have to think about it.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Ooh, I like not thinking.

Scott Eastwood 3:26 Yep.

Joe Rogan 3:27 You got me.

Scott Eastwood 3:27 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:27 Got me hooked already, son. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 3:29 Nice.

Joe Rogan 3:29 All the things. Volume, so I'm a g- I'm believing in it.

Scott Eastwood 3:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 3:33 You know? Uh, when... I know of your... You're a very reputable and ethical guy.

Scott Eastwood 3:37 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:38 You know if you're involved in something, it's gonna be legit anyway, so that's cool to know. How long have you been taking supplements? Have you been a, a vitamin guy forever?

Scott Eastwood 3:45 Yeah. You know, I cycle in and out, like anything. Um-

Joe Rogan 3:48 Do you?

Scott Eastwood 3:49 I, I... My, my non-negotiables typically are, uh, fish oil, um, vitamin D. Um, I take, you know, MNN or NAD.

Joe Rogan 4:02 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 4:02 Uh, and then glutathione. My dad was always a massive glutathione guy. He was-

Joe Rogan 4:06 There's a lot of real-

Scott Eastwood 4:07 Yeah

Joe Rogan 4:07 ... health benefits to gluta- glutathione. Es- I think especially liposomal glutathione, which is, I think, more b-

Scott Eastwood 4:15 Available

Joe Rogan 4:15 ... bio- bioabsorbable.

Scott Eastwood 4:16 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 4:17 Yep.

Joe Rogan 4:17 That's awesome, dude. Good for you. I think every... And, and don't listen to your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had, my doctor said, "All you need is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins you're just gonna pee out." And I looked at him. I'm like, "Dude, you look like shit." [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 4:31 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 4:31 Like, I didn't say it, but it, uh-

Scott Eastwood 4:33 You thought it

Joe Rogan 4:33 ... I'm trying to be nice.

Scott Eastwood 4:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:34 "Well, you just got a pot belly." I'm like, "This is crazy. You have zero muscle."

Scott Eastwood 4:37 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:38 "And you're telling me about balanced diets. Like, this is bananas, dude."

Scott Eastwood 4:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 And now that I've looked back on it, he was probably how old I am now. You know?

Scott Eastwood 4:47 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:47 And he looked like shit.

Scott Eastwood 4:48 No, I-

Joe Rogan 4:49 There's a lot of doctors that don't understand that if you wanna optimize your health, it's not about what the 100% of the, uh, uh, you know, U- F- USDA or whatever it is, the, the requirements. Like, th- there's real science on what the right doses are, and you can find it. It's just complicated. You gotta go online, and you gotta go, "What's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D? Are there benefits of having a high level of vitamin D?"

Scott Eastwood 5:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 5:15 Like, and if you really wanna do it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood work. Fortunately, we have Way to Well in town, so I do it with them.

Scott Eastwood 5:23 Yep.

Joe Rogan 5:23 They go over your blood work. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all in pill form, tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you, like, a bag of vitamins. It's amazing.

Scott Eastwood 5:36 Yeah. I've been act- I've been actually thinking about doing that test, 'cause there's certain doctors that'll tell you your sor- your blood type will dictate what you should be eating.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 5:46 And I've never really got that done or know, and I know p- certain people just are like-

Joe Rogan 5:52 I always-

Scott Eastwood 5:52 ... "This is a game changer"

Joe Rogan 5:53 ... wonder how much of that is voodoo. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 5:55 It might be.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Like, you know-

Scott Eastwood 5:56 Might be a little voodoo. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 5:57 It kinda makes sense, though, if your ancestors came from resp- ... specific part of the world. You know what I mean?

Scott Eastwood 6:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Like, we know that's the case with alcohol. Like, people whose ancestors came from a society-

Scott Eastwood 6:08 Asia.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 6:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Well, societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, like particularly Native Americans, had a really hard time with it.

Scott Eastwood 6:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:14 'Cause they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of their world. And I guess if you're in a part of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there.

Scott Eastwood 6:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:28 And if you come from a place where they ate a lot of s- specific kinds of grains, like I would, I would wonder, like, how much of that stuff is real, like blood type versus what food you should eat. 'Cause everybody should... But everybody needs proteins, amino acids, vitamins, you know, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat and food-

Scott Eastwood 6:48 Yeah

Joe Rogan 6:48 ... and fish and eggs.

Scott Eastwood 6:49 I mean, if you're, if you're looking at the blue zone, right?

Joe Rogan 6:52 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 6:53 They essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet, and so kind of a variety of everything. They don't just eat red meat.

Joe Rogan 7:01 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 7:01 But they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat, and they do drink wine. And they sort of have this diet that is kind of a bunch of everything. And, you know, there's a bunch of other factors as well, you know, purpose-

Joe Rogan 7:14 Physical activity

Scott Eastwood 7:15 ... physical activity-

Joe Rogan 7:16 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 7:16 ... community, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Joe Rogan 7:17 I think a, a big one with all these blue zone people is they're just eating real food.

Scott Eastwood 7:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 That's the real problem. What, what people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet, as delicious as it tastes, is like-

Scott Eastwood 7:32 Garbage

Joe Rogan 7:33 ... it's bad for you.

Scott Eastwood 7:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:34 It's actually bad for you.

Scott Eastwood 7:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 It's not good for you. Real food is good for you.

Scott Eastwood 7:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:39 If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a, a nice salad and a glass of sparkling water, that's actually really good for you.

Scott Eastwood 7:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Whereas, versus if you go and have a fucking Jack in the Box double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries, like that's poison.

Scott Eastwood 8:00 It's poison.

Joe Rogan 8:01 It's delicious poison.

Scott Eastwood 8:02 Now, I will say, I just got back from Europe. My body there feels so much better, and I eat pretty healthy, okay? I eat healthy here, and I eat pretty healthy there.

Joe Rogan 8:12 Yeah, everybody has the same story.

Scott Eastwood 8:13 So what's going on?

Joe Rogan 8:15 It's our food. Our food's bad. The, it's, there's a guy who broke it down. Remember that dude with the cowboy hat, Jamie? Remember that cat who's, uh, really good at breaking down nutrition facts? Uh, he broke down what-

Scott Eastwood 8:27 The gluten is-

Joe Rogan 8:27 What-

Scott Eastwood 8:27 ... the glyphosate, right? The just-

Joe Rogan 8:29 It's bromine. There's a bunch of the, the compounds

Scott Eastwood 8:31 ... yeah

Joe Rogan 8:31 ... there's a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And, and all these people that live in like Italy and live in these Mediterranean diet places, what are they eating? They're eating food, actual food.

Scott Eastwood 8:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Real food.

Scott Eastwood 8:43 But it's not just, it's not just that. It's like the way the dairy's processed, right?

Joe Rogan 8:47 Oh, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 8:47 So, you know, and I, I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple times ago in Europe, and I asked, I said, "Why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America?" And they're like, "Well, first off, we, the process of making this cheese is like four to six hours in the morning every day, and it gets the lactose out, whereas we just slap it in and send it out."

Joe Rogan 9:10 Mm. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 9:10 You know? And it's like that's not the way to have-

Joe Rogan 9:12 It's also raw cheese. You know, I had a f- this, uh... I bought a house from this guy who was from France, really cool guy, who was a doctor. Very interesting dude. I got to know him, got b- became friends with him, and he s- he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California, 2003.

Scott Eastwood 9:34 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 9:34 Illegal to bring that cheese into America 'cause it was raw. It hadn't been, all the biology in it hadn't been killed.

Scott Eastwood 9:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 9:42 So like when we're drinking, uh, raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes. You're getting it. And people could say, "Oh, you, are you a baby cow? You shouldn't be..." Like, it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fat. It's good for you.

Scott Eastwood 10:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 10:01 It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized, pasteurized milk, your body's like, "What is this?"

Scott Eastwood 10:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:09 Like, this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months? That's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday. By Wednesday or Thursday-

Scott Eastwood 10:17 It's bad

Joe Rogan 10:17 ... it gets a little sketch.

Scott Eastwood 10:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:18 It starts stinking. That's the, that's the cat. So this dude, listen to what this guy says. He's, so he's talking to this guy.

Speaker 10:25 I've been gluten-free and-

Joe Rogan 10:26 This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe

Speaker 10:29 ... Canada, America, can't eat it. That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago we started stripping the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf-stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize, therefore many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough so they bleached it with chlorine gas. And the bread didn't rise enough so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. Uh, I need some-

Joe Rogan 11:26 Shout out to this guy. His name is Denny Dore. Uh, Denny, D-E-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram. He's got a-

Scott Eastwood 11:34 I just gotta fuck with the audio there 'cause that song will-

Joe Rogan 11:36 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fu-

Scott Eastwood 11:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 11:38 So what I get from that, and I have seen this actually-

Joe Rogan 11:40 Damn it

Scott Eastwood 11:40 ... it's just essentially pure greed-

Joe Rogan 11:43 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 11:43 ... to keep bread shelf-stable for longer, right?

Joe Rogan 11:46 Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf-stable stuff that... And the problem is it was, it was greenlit, right? So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RF- RFK Jr. came in and said, "You have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals."

Scott Eastwood 12:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:07 And they were saying-

Scott Eastwood 12:08 Seems reasonable

Joe Rogan 12:08 ... they were saying, "This is gonna ruin our business." And he was like, "You already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada," because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes.

Scott Eastwood 12:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:17 The same cereal they make in the United States, and it looks not as good-

Scott Eastwood 12:22 Yeah

Joe Rogan 12:22 ... 'cause it doesn't have the, the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes-

Scott Eastwood 12:25 Reds, yeah

Joe Rogan 12:26 ... that give you fucking cancer.

Scott Eastwood 12:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:28 But the reality is, it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way, and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fucking hire lobbyists.

Scott Eastwood 12:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:37 They hire lobbyists. They get their guys into the FDA. They get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected, and then we keep eating dog shit, and we keep getting poisoned. And you go to Italy, and you have a spaghetti, and you feel great.

Scott Eastwood 12:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:53 You don't, you don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer dart, you know? It's kind of amazing. And there's-

Scott Eastwood 12:58 There's a dart in your neck, man

Joe Rogan 12:59 ... we've talked about it so many times. You go over there and you go, "Why am I living the way I live?"

Scott Eastwood 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing.

Scott Eastwood 13:07 That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about.

Joe Rogan 13:09 No.

Scott Eastwood 13:09 I don't even understand it, just, like, that gets lumped into that. It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society.

Joe Rogan 13:15 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 13:16 What? Like, why is that a thing?

Joe Rogan 13:19 Yeah, we live in a weird world, man, a world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideology. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like, when I was a kid, we used to go to, uh, the health food store. My, my parents were hippies, and they would buy, like, whole wheat bread and, you know... Like, they would try to buy, like, organic food. Like, the, the, the... And that was the thing on the left, avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this- it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Jr., there's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody-

Scott Eastwood 13:58 Yeah

Joe Rogan 13:58 ... because somehow or another, they, they have this connected to some right-wing, anti-science position. Like, God, you guys are getting brainwashed. We, we should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food.

Scott Eastwood 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 We've- we're not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest fucking people on Earth, while also being the most wealthy country.

Scott Eastwood 14:21 Yeah, gr- uh, groupthink is, like, a crazy thing. It's a, uh, it's, it's, it's kind of... It's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping onto something they're- they've been told or is in their echo chamber-

Joe Rogan 14:38 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 14:38 ... or whatever, you know what I mean? I like to think, no matter what issue it is, I'm like, "Okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides." Maybe there's, like... And maybe there's some in between. That's... Both things can be true.

Joe Rogan 14:50 Yes, for sure, and that's a problem. If you, if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying, and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. Like, I think the groupthink that we have to all really align with is the groupthink of being open-minded, being, like, tr- actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas, and also recognize that you are not your ideas.

Scott Eastwood 15:18 No.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them.

Scott Eastwood 15:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:22 You are you, and if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas.

Scott Eastwood 15:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:33 You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't based on information, based on the reality of whatever, whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter it is. But the reality is, like, you can't be married to your ideas because they'll fuck you. They'll fuck you over every time. [laughs] It's, like, it's not going to work.

Scott Eastwood 15:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:51 You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to say, "Even though I hate this guy, he's right about that." It's very important.

Scott Eastwood 15:58 Yeah, like, it's okay to be wrong.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Yeah. Even though I think-

Scott Eastwood 15:59 It's okay to go, "Hey-

Joe Rogan 16:00 ... this guy's a piece of shit-

Scott Eastwood 16:00 ... I was wrong about that"

Joe Rogan 16:01 ... when he sa- he lies about a lot of things-

Scott Eastwood 16:03 Yeah

Joe Rogan 16:03 ... but that thing that he's saying is actually true.

Scott Eastwood 16:05 Well, here's an even, to go even a little more, maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about, is they divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice in a team, that's when you're like, "Well, fuck that. They're taking our money. They're- we're paying all these taxes. We're doing these things, and we actually don't have a choice."

Joe Rogan 16:36 Right.

Scott Eastwood 16:37 Maybe that's the reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue, and it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions, the big money.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah, well, well, for sure they benefit from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They b- they benefit from people arguing over whatever it is, Pride Month or whatever it is.

Scott Eastwood 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 Black Lives Matter. They ben-

Scott Eastwood 16:59 Rile, rile people up-

Joe Rogan 17:00 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 17:00 ... and then-

Joe Rogan 17:01 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 17:01 ... people are thinking about this and this instead of, hey, like, this is actually going on.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 17:06 And we're not talking about that.

Joe Rogan 17:07 Yeah. I mean, look, every time there's... I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing, like, right afterwards. [laughs] Like-

Scott Eastwood 17:15 That's the real power

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... that's, that's what they do.

Scott Eastwood 17:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:17 It's a good move. It's a good move to distract people.

Scott Eastwood 17:19 It's a track trick, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:20 'Cause otherwise, that, that shit's gonna stay in the news cycle until something big happens, so you gotta make something big happen.

Scott Eastwood 17:25 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah, it's a... We're, we're involved in a game, and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values. That's not the game they're playing. The game they're playing is let's pretend that we care. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:41 Let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have healthcare. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're, a good percentage of them are demons.

Scott Eastwood 17:53 They're, they're just sociopaths, completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are gonna have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They, they don't give a fuck. They care about their own career-

Joe Rogan 18:08 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 18:08 ... and they wanna keep on trucking until they become the king of the country, and that's what they're trying to do, and that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that.

Joe Rogan 18:17 No, I-

Scott Eastwood 18:17 And then there's, there's real good people that get involved in politics as well, and boy, we need them to make us feel better.

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Scott Eastwood 19:29 No, it was, we were actually talking about it. My buddy gave me a lift here, uh, today on his plane, and he's a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue, and I, and I was like, "Why do you think you get riled up about it?" I was like, "Do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division and that like what..." You know, like if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth, when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000-foot level, it's like you're getting riled up about an idea about a sound that's coming out of [laughs] someone's mouth.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Right.

Scott Eastwood 20:04 Like, you're letting that affect you?

Joe Rogan 20:05 Right, and it's not affecting your real life, but you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue, but is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere?

Scott Eastwood 20:17 I know. I was, I was-

Joe Rogan 20:18 Probably not

Scott Eastwood 20:18 ... I couldn't, thinking about like, I was thinking-

Joe Rogan 20:20 Right

Scott Eastwood 20:20 ... about it, I was like, "You're this, you know-

Joe Rogan 20:21 Especially that guy [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 20:21 ... billionaire, and you're upset about that." And I go, "You're wasting your time thinking about that-"

Joe Rogan 20:28 Right

Scott Eastwood 20:28 "... instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about."

Joe Rogan 20:31 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 20:32 It was interesting.

Joe Rogan 20:33 Well, it's, I mean, it's always been a tool. As much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face and we really have a real cultural issue that we have to... I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by-

Scott Eastwood 20:46 Divide and conquer

Joe Rogan 20:47 ... yeah.

Scott Eastwood 20:47 Art of war, right?

Joe Rogan 20:48 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 20:48 I mean, it's the playbook.

Joe Rogan 20:48 From the beginning.

Scott Eastwood 20:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Yeah, and it's important, and it's one of the beautiful things about our country, uh, is that we have two parties, so it's so easy to do 'cause it's just t- good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys-

Scott Eastwood 21:01 In between guys [laughs]

Joe Rogan 21:01 ... pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic but know how to kill folks. I like them. [laughs] Like, let's go to the-

Scott Eastwood 21:06 Yeah, let's go to that side

Joe Rogan 21:07 ... go, go towards that guy.

Scott Eastwood 21:07 Yeah, no, can't have that.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Let's go to the discipline side.

Scott Eastwood 21:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:10 But no, it's like you, you can only be on the right or on the left, and if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies, and they talk in tongues, and the, you get lumped in with white nationalists. You get wh- riped in-

Scott Eastwood 21:25 Yeah

Joe Rogan 21:25 ... lumped in with Christian nationalists that think that the Ten Commandments should be in every school, and no one should be able to practice any other religion. This is a Christias, C- Christian country. There's people that really believe pushing that. That, you get lumped in with them, too, when you're just like, "Hey, I think the Second Amendment's important." You know? Like, "Oh, you must be a far right-wing conspiracy theorist." Like, oh, come on. Like, you can't always count on the cops, you know? You, you should be able to protect yourself 'cause bad people have guns. It's that simple.

Scott Eastwood 21:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:52 It doesn't mean you're gonna use them all the time. Like, this is crazy. You could kill people with a variety of different methods, you know? You don't, you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to... There's a whole bunch of... Like, they're kinda moving away from that now in a big way. Uh, they're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing in school ath- athletics and, 'cause it's like-

Scott Eastwood 22:20 Yeah

Joe Rogan 22:21 ... after a certain amount of fucking championships, you know, you just gotta go, "Hey-

Scott Eastwood 22:25 Come on, guys

Joe Rogan 22:25 ... that's a guy." [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 22:26 That's a guy [laughs] fighting women.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Like, like, like be kind, be sweet. Those people-

Scott Eastwood 22:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 22:30 ... have always exist, but also you're letting them into the women's room, and now you could have perverts who just say they're trans, and they can go in the women's room, too.

Scott Eastwood 22:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:36 Like, you didn't think about this.

Scott Eastwood 22:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:38 You, uh, the fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the, the most hated and the, the most, like, looked out, like make sure that they don't come near you, psychopathic perverts. Like, psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that wanna go in women's bathrooms, guys that wanna, like, grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying.

Scott Eastwood 23:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:04 And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like, imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, "Fuck, I missed the boat."

Scott Eastwood 23:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:13 You know, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of-

Scott Eastwood 23:15 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 23:16 ... creepy shit, pretending you're a woman.

Scott Eastwood 23:19 I think we should just be able to hunt, hunt them.

Joe Rogan 23:22 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 23:23 Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep.

Joe Rogan 23:26 Real perverts? Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 23:27 Like-

Joe Rogan 23:27 The thing is, like-

Scott Eastwood 23:28 ... kid, kid, child molesters-

Joe Rogan 23:29 Yes

Scott Eastwood 23:29 ... people per-

Joe Rogan 23:29 100%

Scott Eastwood 23:29 ... like, no, no problem. Just let's go hunt them.

Joe Rogan 23:31 Well, they're broken, and I don't know how you could ever think you're gonna fix them. And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons.

Scott Eastwood 23:44 No.

Joe Rogan 23:44 Which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like, you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore, you know, uh, uh, all kinds of cra- like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs. They're willing to ignore it because they don't wanna be seemed, deemed as being racist.

Scott Eastwood 24:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:01 They don't wanna be deemed as being Islamophobic. Like, okay.

Scott Eastwood 24:04 Yeah. That, that, uh, that breakdown of, uh- ... culture, and because of, you know, some very extreme groups, is pretty scary

Joe Rogan 24:15 It's scary

Scott Eastwood 24:15 It's super scary, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:16 It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too, and if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care, and we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot.

Scott Eastwood 24:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:36 But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities. There's plans that are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about, with Tim Dillon, what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. All these, like, liberal people are like, "Yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing." So they got a Muslim mayor, and the first thing he did is, like, no more pride flags. Shit's illegal. 'Cause y-

Scott Eastwood 24:58 Yeah

Joe Rogan 24:58 ... what he would like is Sharia law. Like, the, if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims, like worldwide, how many of them would like Sharia law? And it's, it's a, it's not a small amount. You know? That's their religion. That's what they... But the problem with that is, like, you can't push that on other people. If you wanna have your mosque and you wanna pray five times a day, wonderful. You should be able to do that, 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact that there's all sorts of different ways of, uh, worshiping God. Great. I don't know who's right. But as soon as a culture starts taking-

Scott Eastwood 25:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 25:30 ... over and putting in values that, first of all-

Scott Eastwood 25:35 Degrading women

Joe Rogan 25:36 ... gross- yeah

Scott Eastwood 25:36 ... ma- machinations

Joe Rogan 25:36 ... grossly deteriorate women's rights

Scott Eastwood 25:38 Yeah, yeah

Joe Rogan 25:38 ... grossly.

Scott Eastwood 25:38 That's bad.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 25:39 That's when it falls apart completely.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Well, and that's their culture.

Scott Eastwood 25:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:42 And you have to understand that that's, they've accepted. When they're wearing those traditional g- head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture, and they want women to dress like that. And, you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like, you should be able to do it if you want to, but the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have n- the, the same sort of national rights. Every sh- city should have the rights that we have, where w- you can wear whatever you wanna wear, practice whatever religion you wanna practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted, one way or the other.

Scott Eastwood 26:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:21 But when you get a country like England that just lets them in, mass migration, and then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it, that's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting this society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, "Hey, we're gonna make new laws to protect you," because-

Scott Eastwood 26:40 Mm

Joe Rogan 26:41 ... you need to protect... So you have cer-

Scott Eastwood 26:42 Control

Joe Rogan 26:42 ... mass surveillance everywhere

Scott Eastwood 26:44 More control

Joe Rogan 26:44 ... more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts, like thousands of them.

Scott Eastwood 26:51 I've, I've been hearing about that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:52 Oh, it's nuts

Scott Eastwood 26:53 It's pretty wild

Joe Rogan 26:54 More than China, more than Russia. More than Russia and China combined.

Scott Eastwood 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 26:58 It seems, it seems as if, you know, the, the grab for power is, is just, you know, done in plain sight now. It's like-

Joe Rogan 27:05 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 27:05 ... what?

Joe Rogan 27:05 And I hate to say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed.

Scott Eastwood 27:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:12 So, like, when shit goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know?

Scott Eastwood 27:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:17 And what are you gonna do? All get together with shovels?

Scott Eastwood 27:19 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 27:20 What are you gonna do?

Scott Eastwood 27:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Grandpa's got a bird gun? Let's go get Grandpa's bird gun.

Scott Eastwood 27:24 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 27:25 Fuck are we doing? [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 27:27 Get Grandpa's bird gun.

Joe Rogan 27:29 That's no way to ta- keep the police out of your town. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 27:33 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Yeah. It's, uh, it's not good. I think, hopefully, there's enough sensible people where we're gonna come out on the other end of this, but it's gonna be real hard with this right, right versus left bullshit.

Scott Eastwood 27:45 No. No, well, but, you know, you know, not to, like, toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people, and you've pulled in, like, almost... I was thinking about it the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter, where you can type it in a ChatGPT now and say, "Can you tell me about this thing that," you know? And then they'll, "Oh, well, do you wanna hear an two-hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such?" And that's pretty cool, because then it expands people's mind. It's much easier than having to, you know, go and, and read about something. You're like, "Oh, that's an interesting point of view."

Joe Rogan 28:25 Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great, but th- the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young, and I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly.

Scott Eastwood 28:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:38 And not, also, like, um, you know, giving them something that excites them, and giving them something that, uh, they, they can understand why it's important to be interested in something. Like, why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you. Try new things out. Like, "Oh, this is exciting. I feel better. I, like, feel good." Like, people like tasks. They like that.

Scott Eastwood 29:00 Yeah. Purpose.

Joe Rogan 29:00 We should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers.

Scott Eastwood 29:07 You know what's interesting is, I, so I turned 40 in March, and, uh, I decided I was gonna take the year off. Uh, so essentially 39 to 40, right? And 'cause I'd been working, head down, for 20 years. Hadn't looked up. Been living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I thought it would make me... It would give me better perspective. It would maybe whatever. Uh, you know? Where's the, where am I going in the next 10 years, is kind of my thinking. Uh, and I actually got more depressed. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 29:40 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 29:41 So I was like, "Wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed." And it kinda just goes back to just stay busy. Get up and do shit.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Well, the thing is-

Scott Eastwood 29:51 I don't know

Joe Rogan 29:51 ... you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love, and that is a gift. That's a real gift.

Scott Eastwood 29:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:57 And we're both very fortunate in that regard, and anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry. If you're doing what you love, you're so lucky.

Scott Eastwood 30:07 Create.

Joe Rogan 30:07 You're so lucky.

Scott Eastwood 30:07 Go out and create.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 30:08 Don't take.

Joe Rogan 30:09 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 30:10 Be a creator, in, in anything. Like, if you're a plumber, whatever, you know? Fix someone's pipes.

Joe Rogan 30:14 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 30:15 Have a purpose and create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators, you know?

Joe Rogan 30:20 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 30:20 It's like I was actually listening to a podcast and the guy said that, and I was like, "Yep, that's it." If you create, you're- ... exponentially happier, I think, 'cause you're, you're giving society something it didn't have

Joe Rogan 30:31 Yeah, it's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah, and that's good for you, for sure. And I think, um, unfortunately, I... Look, I don't want a re- the [laughs] responsibility being the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. I just like to do-

Scott Eastwood 30:48 Oh, you're not the on- I mean, you're not the only person

Joe Rogan 30:49 No, of course

Scott Eastwood 30:50 But you are, you are

Joe Rogan 30:50 But I-

Scott Eastwood 30:51 You are doing that

Joe Rogan 30:51 ... I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things should be in schools. Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats-

Scott Eastwood 31:03 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 31:03 ... give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool shit. Show, show them cool shit where they realize like, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting.

Scott Eastwood 31:13 Yeah

Joe Rogan 31:13 You know? It just has to be something you're interested in, and then they'll realize, like, "Oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something," instead of just being a cog in the wheel-

Scott Eastwood 31:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 31:23 ... like most people feel. Most people feel like, "Fuck, the economy sucks. I just gotta get a job." And then, then you just get home, and you just wanna play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs. And then next thing you know, you're 35, and you-

Scott Eastwood 31:37 Mm

Joe Rogan 31:37 ... don't know what the fuck you're doing, and you're stuck, you know? And that's a lot of people, a lot of people listening to this right now, and it's 'cause they n- were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed, uh, to try to find something-

Scott Eastwood 31:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 31:50 ... that you're actually interested in

Scott Eastwood 31:51 Go do the thing. Get the job. Go do the thing-

Joe Rogan 31:52 Encourage that curiosity

Scott Eastwood 31:53 ... if that's what you're interested in. Yeah

Joe Rogan 31:54 Whatever it is, man, being a fucking car mechanic, whatever, whatever thing you're interested in, there's gotta be a thing. You just gotta find that fucker.

Scott Eastwood 32:01 You can get good at anything-

Joe Rogan 32:02 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 32:02 ... you know? And that will produce money. It's like, it... The, the... And also, part of the problem is culturally, I think we, we place too much value in, like, becoming rich and, "Oh, you gotta do this."

Joe Rogan 32:14 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 32:15 And, and it's like, no, no, no. Hold on. Don't miss the point. Get good at something, and you'll... that you love, and then that will produce... If you get good enough at anything, you'll make money at it-

Joe Rogan 32:26 For sure

Scott Eastwood 32:27 ... and you'll be an expert

Joe Rogan 32:27 But the problem is, like, with kids, it's everything today, they want it fast, really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't wanna go on a diet. They want get, you know, whatever it is. Fill in the blank with whatever thing that they wanna get really fast with, scams, crypto, anything where they're gonna get rich quick, you know, whatever they gotta do to get rich quick.

Scott Eastwood 32:48 Yeah

Joe Rogan 32:48 Because it's like this, this TikTok mind culture where people just want that easy, quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work. When you think about a job or going down a, a career path, like acting for instance, like what you did, first of all, you did it. You would think, "Oh, great, Clint Eastwood's dad. He'll help him." [laughs] Fucking-

Scott Eastwood 33:09 You made it worse for me [laughs]

Joe Rogan 33:11 It did.

Scott Eastwood 33:12 People were like, "Nah, dude."

Joe Rogan 33:13 But you had to prove that you were a really good actor for, like, a long time before people go, "Oh, yeah, Scott's actually really good." [laughs] Like, because it's always gonna be-

Scott Eastwood 33:21 Oh, wow

Joe Rogan 33:21 ... you're Clint Eastwood's kid.

Scott Eastwood 33:22 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:23 You know? And then he didn't fucking help you. But, like, your grind was... I know you. Your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and, and putting in the work. Most people see that, and they go, "Wait, how long is it gonna take?"

Scott Eastwood 33:37 What? 20 years

Joe Rogan 33:38 14 years. 20 years. What?

Scott Eastwood 33:41 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:41 Like, when we talk to comics, that's a big, big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like, most comedians say a comic isn't even really a comic till 10 years. The-

Scott Eastwood 33:48 10,000-hour rule, right? I mean, the-

Joe Rogan 33:50 I don't know if that's real.

Scott Eastwood 33:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 33:52 There's something to that. There's something to reps, for sure, but I think intention as, is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time.

Scott Eastwood 34:01 Yeah

Joe Rogan 34:02 I think-

Scott Eastwood 34:02 Like, if you're just mailing it in in the gym-

Joe Rogan 34:04 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 34:04 ... it's not the same as-

Joe Rogan 34:05 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 34:05 ... "I'm gonna build this or get-

Joe Rogan 34:07 Mm-hmm

Scott Eastwood 34:07 ... really good at that."

Joe Rogan 34:09 Yeah, 100%, especially with skills-related things.

Scott Eastwood 34:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Like, jujitsu's a perfect example of that. Jujitsu, 100% you get better the more you do it, but w- 1,000% if you drill correctly and you have, like, mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques, like you really truly understand, like, leverage points, where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when, when there's an escape, when there's no escape. If you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just, like, resisting hard with people, and you'll get somewhere-

Scott Eastwood 34:40 Sure

Joe Rogan 34:40 ... but you won't get nearly as far as you would get-

Scott Eastwood 34:42 No, no, no. Yeah

Joe Rogan 34:42 ... with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10,000-hour thing is... It's, there's something to it. The more you do it, the better you'll get. But really, it's the intention that you put into each and every thing you do. That is as, if not more important than the time. Like, it's amount of... It's about, it's about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to, like, look at it as objectively as possible. You know?

Scott Eastwood 35:10 Yeah

Joe Rogan 35:10 Especially if you're... Like, with jujitsu as a thing, it's like your ego's involved, 'cause you don't wanna get tapped out, and you don't wanna get humiliated.

Scott Eastwood 35:17 Yeah

Joe Rogan 35:17 And so you don't wanna try things, so you keep a c- a tight game, and you never grow. And it's, uh, your ego actually holds you back by that. And that... But telling people that it's gonna take that long, if you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, "Oh, God, that's too much work."

Scott Eastwood 35:33 Well, also I think the thing you, you realize, you know, as your ego gets stripped from you doing jujitsu is that you realize [laughs] like, "Doesn't matter what level I'm at, there's always gonna be a thousand more guys above that level that will still choke me out."

Joe Rogan 35:49 100%.

Scott Eastwood 35:49 And you're gonna... You realize how much, how... Like, you're like, "No, I kind of am a pussy." You're like, "I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I..." You know, you know now. You really know. You're like-

Joe Rogan 36:01 Well, I really know because I work for the UFC, so [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 36:04 [laughs] Yeah, you know

Joe Rogan 36:05 Well, it's right on...

Scott Eastwood 36:05 It's like-

Joe Rogan 36:06 I'm, we're always around, like, every weekend, dozens of guys who can kill me.

Scott Eastwood 36:09 Yeah

Joe Rogan 36:10 And then there's people that can kill them-

Scott Eastwood 36:12 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 36:12 ... which is crazy. It's like you-

Scott Eastwood 36:13 There's levels

Joe Rogan 36:14 ... there's levels to levels.

Scott Eastwood 36:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 36:15 You know? When a guy like Ilia Topuria knocks out Max Holloway, you're like, "Whoa." And then Justin Gaethje beats up Ilia Topuria, like, whoa. It's like there's so many guys out there.

Scott Eastwood 36:26 Yeah

Joe Rogan 36:26 You, you have to be humble, and it's good for you.

Scott Eastwood 36:29 Have to. Yeah

Joe Rogan 36:29 It's good for you to not be delusional.

Scott Eastwood 36:31 Yeah

Joe Rogan 36:32 But the, what, my point was for young people They have to get interested in the path. It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you, you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every, every day. Every, every effort you put into it, do it, whatever the fuck you're doing, do it to try to get better at that thing, and eventually success will come. You're gonna have to manage that success, you're gonna have to chase it, you're gonna have to figure things out, but the most important thing should always be the path.

Scott Eastwood 37:04 Mm-hmm. That's true.

Joe Rogan 37:05 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 37:06 True as well.

Joe Rogan 37:06 I think that's in everything, in anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be, "I'm gonna sell a million copies." It's gotta be, "I need to fucking make this the greatest literature-

Scott Eastwood 37:17 Yeah

Joe Rogan 37:17 ... that's ever been read."

Scott Eastwood 37:18 But I think, I, I also think, uh, we need to push, because of this whole, like, quick money and, and, and thing, it, the, the morals and codes people have are not taught enough, uh, to young people. You know? Do the right thing. When you say you're gonna do something, be there. When you make a promise, do it. Complete it. Don't just... You know, people just are so sue happy, and this culture of, of, you know, "Oh, whatever, fuck them, we can just do whatever we want." It's like, that's fucking terrible behavior to put out to young people. You know? You-

Joe Rogan 37:56 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 37:56 ... you gotta have a code and a value system. That's what my dad, I mean, he was so... You know, you make a promise, that's all you have in this life is your word. So it's like, you gotta do something. You gotta, like, put-

Joe Rogan 38:09 Your dad should've been president. Why didn't he run for president? He would've.

Scott Eastwood 38:12 'Cause he did, 'cause he did politics.

Joe Rogan 38:13 He would've fucking won.

Scott Eastwood 38:14 He did, he did two years.

Joe Rogan 38:14 I know he was the mayor of Carmel.

Scott Eastwood 38:15 Yeah. And then he said, "Never fucking again."

Joe Rogan 38:19 Yeah, that's how-

Scott Eastwood 38:19 'Cause he realized it's, people like winning.

Joe Rogan 38:21 He would've been a fun president, though.

Scott Eastwood 38:24 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 38:24 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 38:24 Yeah. He would've.

Joe Rogan 38:25 He would've been, you know?

Scott Eastwood 38:26 Yeah. I don't know if I would've liked it, though. Then it would've been like everyone-

Joe Rogan 38:29 No, you would've hated it

Scott Eastwood 38:29 ... everyone would've come after me for no reason.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Bro, you would've been Don Jr.

Scott Eastwood 38:33 [laughs] Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 38:37 Would've been in the box.

Scott Eastwood 38:38 You would've got roped up into some crypto scheme. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 38:41 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 38:41 Everybody would hate you. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 38:43 Making billions. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 38:45 Yeah. Geez Louise.

Joe Rogan 38:47 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 38:48 Yeah. Yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him.

Joe Rogan 38:51 No.

Scott Eastwood 38:51 But, you know, like, when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people were like, "Finally. Finally, a guy who, like, is good at acting."

Joe Rogan 38:59 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 39:01 [laughs] I mean, that's kind of-

Joe Rogan 39:02 That's funny

Scott Eastwood 39:02 ... what the president is. It's a role.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Oh, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:04 Part of it is a role. Like, you're playing a leader, and the way you behave, it's like you have to, it's very formal. The way you communicate, it's very formal.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:13 You know? And actors are gonna be better at that. You know? Like, Josh-

Joe Rogan 39:17 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 39:17 ... Brolin, that guy could be the president, 100%. That dude could kill it as the president.

Joe Rogan 39:22 He's got the voice.

Scott Eastwood 39:23 He looks like a president.

Joe Rogan 39:23 Got the voice, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:24 Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie?

Joe Rogan 39:26 I think so.

Scott Eastwood 39:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:27 That's right, he played Bush. Yeah, he could be president. You know?

Joe Rogan 39:31 [laughs] Just-

Scott Eastwood 39:32 I know they tried to get The Rock to run.

Joe Rogan 39:34 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:34 I think he was thinking about it.

Scott Eastwood 39:35 Yeah, not much. He told me, he was like-

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 39:37 ... "Fuck this." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 39:38 Yeah. Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kinda, he was toying with you. He was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it."

Scott Eastwood 39:43 Like, he's, he's very smart with, uh, social media.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:46 He's, he's a wizard at that stuff.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 39:48 But I think he's too smart to run for president.

Joe Rogan 39:50 Yeah, you don't wanna have the people hate you.

Scott Eastwood 39:50 But isn't that crazy? Like, get that giant ass pro wrestler. Dude, that guy, he should be our president. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 39:56 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 39:57 At least we know that our president could fuck up all the other presidents. That would be nice.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Now, that's what I'd like to see.

Scott Eastwood 40:02 That would be nice.

Joe Rogan 40:02 I'd like to see some sort of version, it's like, okay great, you gotta be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of, like, fight or some sort of-

Scott Eastwood 40:12 Yeah

Joe Rogan 40:12 ... physical, like, competition. Because you can't just be... You know, you gotta be athletic, you gotta be-

Scott Eastwood 40:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:19 You know? That would be cool.

Scott Eastwood 40:20 You know what we should really-

Joe Rogan 40:21 It's already a giant show anyways

Scott Eastwood 40:22 ... we should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 40:26 Anybody who wants to be president.

Joe Rogan 40:27 That'd be good. That'd be good.

Scott Eastwood 40:28 You do seven grams of mushrooms, we film it. We, we do it in a dark room-

Joe Rogan 40:32 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 40:32 ... with infrared cameras or, you know, night vision cameras.

Joe Rogan 40:35 So you freak out.

Scott Eastwood 40:36 So... Yeah, yeah, we wanna know how well you handle God. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 40:40 But also expand your mind a little bit.

Scott Eastwood 40:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Don't be so rigid in your ways, right?

Scott Eastwood 40:44 Yeah. Well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that, like, there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it, and then you'll never think any differently again.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 40:57 You're always gonna be like, "Okay, there's a part of this that's not real." [laughs] There's a part-

Joe Rogan 41:01 Oh, no, I d- I... Trust me, I did the, uh, I did 5-MeO, and it was... I mean, that was some life-changing stuff.

Scott Eastwood 41:09 Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, "Oh my God, I killed myself."

Joe Rogan 41:13 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 41:13 Like, "I'm not around anymore."

Joe Rogan 41:14 Yeah, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 41:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:15 And, and, and I think what, what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's, it, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again.

Scott Eastwood 41:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Like, the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind.

Scott Eastwood 41:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:30 I mean, I, I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.

Scott Eastwood 41:37 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 41:37 And I was like, "I'm just so-"

Scott Eastwood 41:39 That would've gotten uncomfortable after about five seconds. I'd been like, "Hey, Scott."

Joe Rogan 41:42 [laughs] Be like, "Okay, I-"

Scott Eastwood 41:43 "Go cry on the couch."

Joe Rogan 41:44 [laughs] It's enough.

Scott Eastwood 41:45 "Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro?" [laughs]

Joe Rogan 41:47 [laughs] You handsome bastard. Get off of her. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 41:55 But it was powerful, and I-

Joe Rogan 41:56 But, well your, your-

Scott Eastwood 41:57 Yeah

Joe Rogan 41:57 ... ego is completely shattered after that stuff.

Scott Eastwood 42:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:00 And you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging, you just wanna hug a human.

Scott Eastwood 42:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:04 And it's j- the, the feeling of it is so, like, you're a part of everything in the universe, and there is no, there's no, like, particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever's, has ever done it and go, "Eh, I didn't think it was that big a deal."

Scott Eastwood 42:23 No.

Joe Rogan 42:24 Like, everybody who does is like, "Wow."

Scott Eastwood 42:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:27 Like, I've known, I know a few, uh, prominent right-wing people that have done it, that it completely changed their life.

Scott Eastwood 42:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:36 A, a couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't wanna mention any names.

Scott Eastwood 42:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:39 But then they wanna talk to me about it And they're like, "Yeah, so I'm, I'm a, I'm a different person now."

Scott Eastwood 42:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Like, "Whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore." Like, that's, that's ... 'Cause once you know-

Scott Eastwood 42:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 42:50 ... once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe, and it's, it, like, all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something.

Scott Eastwood 43:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration and-

Scott Eastwood 43:08 It kinda made, kinda a- actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so, dealing with so much pain or dealing with-

Joe Rogan 43:16 Right

Scott Eastwood 43:17 ... such a rigid thinking or, or whatever it is, that it could help them. And I was like, "Oh man, that, that is sad that it might-"

Joe Rogan 43:25 The rigid thinking is a big one.

Scott Eastwood 43:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:27 It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I, I see, like, grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And, uh, when I was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to, like, trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness, and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and, and have a better perspective, and ego death, and all those things that people are trying to do, and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. I- it comes up all the time. So the public's perception on this has r- really radically shifted it in my lifetime, and I think it's because of the internet. I think it's really, it really started to change where I hear, or heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was, um, even before social media because there was a bunch of articles that were written, and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences.

Scott Eastwood 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 And people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin, and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular, but then all the Terence McKenna stuff that w- he was talking about, uh, DMT and, um, LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there, and then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan, and you're like, "Whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about? He's writing a, wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like, what?" And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it, and they often do.

Scott Eastwood 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 And so that just alone gives me h- hope because I feel like that's a, that's a big change in how people view something.

Scott Eastwood 45:25 Well, was it, um ... And I don't, I don't exactly know the history, but I th- I've heard, uh ... Was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kinda suppress, you know, weed use this ... I mean, so-

Joe Rogan 45:38 The alcohol lobby has. They, they have-

Scott Eastwood 45:40 Did it, did it also go to psychedelics as well, where they're like-

Joe Rogan 45:42 They haven't yet, no.

Scott Eastwood 45:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Um, well I'm, I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized, but the, the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have, uh, legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake.

Scott Eastwood 45:58 Sure.

Joe Rogan 45:59 The, the diminished alcohol intake's measurable. It's like, it costs them money.

Scott Eastwood 46:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 46:03 It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies. Uh, there's a-

Scott Eastwood 46:08 Explain.

Joe Rogan 46:08 Yeah. They lobby, uh, prison guards unions. They lobby ... There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws, keep them on the books-

Scott Eastwood 46:16 Stricter

Joe Rogan 46:17 ... so that they can keep locking people up.

Scott Eastwood 46:18 Sure, 'cause that's a massive business, right?

Joe Rogan 46:20 Yeah, their business is pe- keeping people in cages.

Scott Eastwood 46:22 Yeah, that's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Which is really fucking crazy.

Scott Eastwood 46:24 Yeah, that's pretty dark.

Joe Rogan 46:24 It's really crazy that someone is, who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 46:32 That's, I mean, that's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 46:33 And get locked up for something that no-

Scott Eastwood 46:35 Non-violent crime

Joe Rogan 46:36 ... Yeah, and especially marijuana. Like, most Americans don't think that you, uh, that it should be illegal. It's a, it's a large number. It's, like, more than 70%, I think. Like, what was the, what's, what amount of m- Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into Perplexity. See what the, the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized.

Scott Eastwood 47:02 Legalized?

Joe Rogan 47:03 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 47:04 What do you think about-

Joe Rogan 47:04 It's-

Scott Eastwood 47:04 ... what do you think about all drugs being legal?

Joe Rogan 47:07 [sighs] It's a tough c- argument because for sure you're gonna lose some people.

Scott Eastwood 47:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:11 If you make all drugs legal ... Look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not gonna go buy heroin.

Scott Eastwood 47:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:17 I'm not buying fentanyl.

Scott Eastwood 47:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:18 I mean, I'm not, I'm not into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not gonna pick it up, but some people will. 70%, 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to a recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%.

Scott Eastwood 47:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 47:37 Uh, US adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form, with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal, and those people need to try it. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 47:47 So look, I'm actually, pot never agreed well with me, and I think I have, uh ... I always, I get a little scared and paranoid-

Joe Rogan 47:55 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 47:55 ... sometimes, where it, I was like, "Maybe I have, like, a propensity to, like, some sort of schizophrenia or something." I was like, "Ooh, I don't, this isn't..." I was like, "I don't like this." This made me kinda go psychoscematic, and it, so it just never agreed well with me.

Joe Rogan 48:08 So did it just make you scared, or did it, like, distort reality for you in a way that was-

Scott Eastwood 48:13 No, I don't e- I don't know if it distorted reality. It just got my brain, you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things out, out of my control.

Joe Rogan 48:24 That's the part I like. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 48:26 Now I can see why because, like, you know, m- the mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life.

Joe Rogan 48:32 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 48:33 And I think that's healthy. I don't know. Pot just never agreed with me.

Joe Rogan 48:37 I think [clears throat] what I like about it is when it wears off.

Scott Eastwood 48:42 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 48:42 I like, I like that fear.

Scott Eastwood 48:44 It might just wear off.

Joe Rogan 48:44 I li- I like, like Joey Diaz says, uh, "Go meet the devil." E- uh, I think there's some, s- some benefit to freaking out 'cause then it calms down and you have more perspective.

Scott Eastwood 48:55 Mm.

Joe Rogan 48:55 But I think what's going on is You really can't think about all the threats of the world, and all the problems in the world, and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You gotta kinda put your blinders on and keep on trucking.

Scott Eastwood 49:06 Sure.

Joe Rogan 49:06 And then marijuana's like, "What's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of?"

Scott Eastwood 49:11 Mm.

Joe Rogan 49:11 And you're like, "Ah!" [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 49:15 But I will say, as you know, important, like, before the, the frontal cortex is, like, fully developed-

Joe Rogan 49:21 Yes

Scott Eastwood 49:21 ... because there is some danger for young men specifically.

Joe Rogan 49:25 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 49:25 Right?

Joe Rogan 49:26 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 49:26 And, and schizophrenia and, like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not... I think that's with anything, right?

Joe Rogan 49:31 Yeah, I don't know-

Scott Eastwood 49:32 Too much alcohol-

Joe Rogan 49:32 ... if it causes schizophrenia-

Scott Eastwood 49:33 ... too much whatever

Joe Rogan 49:33 ... but it's really bad for brain development. For especially young people that smoke regularly, it's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And, um, I know that's hard for people to hear 'cause they wanna get high. Just trust me.

Scott Eastwood 49:46 It's right.

Joe Rogan 49:46 If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's gonna fuck your head up.

Scott Eastwood 49:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:50 It's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development, and it's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well. It's very important.

Scott Eastwood 50:00 100%.

Joe Rogan 50:00 And if you're-

Scott Eastwood 50:01 It's your operating system. Don't-

Joe Rogan 50:02 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 50:02 ... don't screw it up before it has a time to, like-

Joe Rogan 50:04 And just for hehes and hahas because you're bored in math class, you wanna get high all the time.

Scott Eastwood 50:08 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 50:09 You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it, and they're okay, but a lot of people have not.

Scott Eastwood 50:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:14 And y- y- you don't wanna sabotage your whole life just 'cause everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. It's, and that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are, like, 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you.

Scott Eastwood 50:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:28 It is fucking bad for the b- development of your brain. Whatever you're p- Look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain, maybe you're always gonna be smart and you're gonna be fine. But I guarantee you, where, if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are.

Scott Eastwood 50:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:44 You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart. You would've been smarter. Your brain would've functioned better. You'd have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you.

Scott Eastwood 50:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:54 And, you know, we glamorize it for kids. Like, the kids at parties drinking, having a good time. It's fucking bad for you. Don't do it.

Scott Eastwood 51:02 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We-

Joe Rogan 51:02 But you can't, you also can't tell them, "Don't drink," because if you tell them, "Don't drink," they just wanna drink.

Scott Eastwood 51:08 Drink more. Yeah, the, the thing is, you gotta-

Joe Rogan 51:09 You just gotta kind of inform them. Like-

Scott Eastwood 51:10 Well, Eur- Europe tends to have, like, a better, it seems, as a whole. I'm sure they have their problems, too, but it seems like-

Joe Rogan 51:17 Much better

Scott Eastwood 51:17 ... y- yeah. It, y- you know, they ease into it, right? Ha- have a little. Like, less is more without-

Joe Rogan 51:22 Yes

Scott Eastwood 51:22 ... like, with anything, actually. Less is more. [laughs] You know?

Joe Rogan 51:26 Yeah. It's not forbidden.

Scott Eastwood 51:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:27 So, you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not, it's not that big a deal.

Scott Eastwood 51:33 Yeah. That Protestant culture we have is, is very rigid.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 51:36 And it's like, "Don't do this or you're gonna die." And it's like, "Well, I mean-"

Joe Rogan 51:39 It creates drug addicts and hoes. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 51:42 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 51:42 'Cause people just, people just wanna not listen to their parents.

Scott Eastwood 51:46 I know.

Joe Rogan 51:46 They just wanna do something that's fucking d- Like, "Whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite, 'cause you are fucking annoying and you've been the bane of my existence."

Scott Eastwood 51:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:54 "As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack."

Scott Eastwood 51:56 "Fuck you, Dad."

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 51:57 "You don't know what you're talking about."

Joe Rogan 51:58 So, to get back to your question, um, the problem with legalization is you're gonna have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally, because it's legal.

Scott Eastwood 52:06 But what about-

Joe Rogan 52:06 They're gonna try it

Scott Eastwood 52:07 ... but what about when you're of age? Like, I don't know, call it 25, whatever you wanna say.

Joe Rogan 52:09 Yeah, but even then, you're gonna have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However, th, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organized crime, and that's what we're doing now. So w- in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So, how are they gonna get drugs during prohibition? Well, they're gonna get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done.

Scott Eastwood 52:34 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:34 That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. It's what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry, right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through, like, what are we doing? Are we empowering them? Or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits, block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment?

Scott Eastwood 53:02 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:03 So that people don't-

Scott Eastwood 53:03 I, yeah, I was also, I was also thinking from a qu- like a quality perspective, too, right?

Joe Rogan 53:07 That, too.

Scott Eastwood 53:07 Like, you're like, "Hey, that's cool. We get it. People are gonna do this, but we're gonna monitor it and make sure it-"

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yes

Scott Eastwood 53:13 ... "is what it says it is."

Joe Rogan 53:15 Yeah. Look, alcohol's legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics, and alcohol is legal, and it's everywhere, and these people will hit bars and get fucked up every night, and their life is gonna be a mess, and they're gonna die of liver poisoning.

Scott Eastwood 53:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:38 That's normal, too. The, it's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world.

Scott Eastwood 53:42 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:43 And-

Scott Eastwood 53:43 You gotta, you gotta, like, trust a little bit that-

Joe Rogan 53:46 Yeah. It would be really hard to sell to America that, um, cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It would be really hard to sell to them.

Scott Eastwood 53:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:55 But I think ultimately-

Scott Eastwood 53:57 There's other, there's, I mean, what about, you know, MDMA-

Joe Rogan 53:58 ... it'd probably be better for us. Yeah, all those things

Scott Eastwood 54:00 ... you know, some of those other things that-

Joe Rogan 54:01 Those are less w- troublesome. You know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but d- people definitely abuse it.

Scott Eastwood 54:07 Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:07 And they definitely get addicted to it, and they're doing it all the time. Apparently, that whole thing about making holes in your brain is bullshit.

Scott Eastwood 54:13 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 54:14 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 54:14 That was a campaign? [clears throat]

Joe Rogan 54:16 Oh, I think it was probably just some internet horseshit.

Scott Eastwood 54:18 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 54:18 That's, let's find out what it does. MDMA do- does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See what Perplexity has to say.

Scott Eastwood 54:27 Well, they, they, they, they started using it-

Joe Rogan 54:29 'Cause I think they've proven that that's not the case

Scott Eastwood 54:30 ... as couples therapy, right? I mean, that was the, the impetus of the whole thing.

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Scott Eastwood 55:46 Yeah, yep

Joe Rogan 55:47 ... MDMA. There's something about MDMA's, the empathy that it gives you, the compassion it gives you. It lets you drop a lot of things that are in your head. No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that would show up as empty gaps on a scan. But high or repeated doses can ga- damage serotonin neurons and alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So the holes, where'd the holes idea come from? Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity and reduced binding of certain markers, that sounds terrible. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 56:30 I, I chalk up all this as, like, moderation to everything.

Joe Rogan 56:35 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 56:35 I- less of everything. It's like, I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know, you know, um, what's his name? Dr., uh, Paul Saladino, is it called? Saladino?

Joe Rogan 56:45 The carnivore doctor?

Scott Eastwood 56:46 Yeah. I really like most of what he says, but he's like, "Don't drink." And it's like, it's like, well, maybe, i- if, but also, it's maybe pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 56:58 And it's nice... Like, that's important, too, in life. And I think balance, we can... You tip the scale one way if you're-

Joe Rogan 57:05 Mm-hmm

Scott Eastwood 57:05 ... totally extreme, and then you're just like this social life and you're f- you know, can't, you know, go out and, like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 57:14 That's important.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Moderation.

Scott Eastwood 57:15 Moderation.

Joe Rogan 57:16 And y- the, you're absolutely right about social life being one of- loneliness kills people quicker than anything else.

Scott Eastwood 57:22 100%.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Yeah. People that are lonely, they have a, they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes.

Scott Eastwood 57:28 Isn't that crazy?

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah. It's bad for you.

Scott Eastwood 57:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:30 It's, l- being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, seems like it should be, right?

Scott Eastwood 57:35 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:35 It's bad. Feels bad.

Scott Eastwood 57:36 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:36 Probably bad for you. Feeling good is good for you. So a little tipsy with your friends or you're laughing, "Ah, I love you." "I love you too, bro." It's great.

Scott Eastwood 57:44 It's great.

Joe Rogan 57:44 It's great for people.

Scott Eastwood 57:45 It's great. It's great.

Joe Rogan 57:45 Yeah, you're gonna feel like shit. Takes your electrolytes. Takes your el- take your electrolytes, drink a lot of water.

Scott Eastwood 57:50 Balance.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Get in the fucking sauna.

Scott Eastwood 57:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 57:52 And work out.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Don't do it every day.

Scott Eastwood 57:53 Don't do it every day. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yeah. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 57:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Get an IV.

Scott Eastwood 57:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Dave Chappelle taught me that trick. When I was touring with Dave, all he would do is, like, after shows, they would just get IVs.

Scott Eastwood 58:03 Oh, that's-

Joe Rogan 58:04 He would get, uh, vitamin IVs in the morning.

Scott Eastwood 58:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:06 And they would did it all the time to big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 58:11 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:13 You'd go into, like-

Scott Eastwood 58:13 Detox that liver

Joe Rogan 58:14 ... Dave would have a room. You'd go into the room. There'd be, like, eight of us there all hooked up to IV bags talking shit. It was fun.

Scott Eastwood 58:21 That sounds good.

Joe Rogan 58:22 But it's smart.

Scott Eastwood 58:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:23 Like, that's how you counteract the fact that, look, he takes a lot... There's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right? Like, Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking shit with your friends with a couple drinks in you?

Scott Eastwood 58:40 Imagine all the things you would've missed-

Joe Rogan 58:42 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 58:42 ... that wouldn't have, and been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been-

Joe Rogan 58:46 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 58:46 ... in your life.

Joe Rogan 58:46 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 58:47 Hadn't you, you've just, "I gotta go home now."

Joe Rogan 58:49 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 58:49 "It's 8:00."

Joe Rogan 58:50 "I gotta go home." You're like, "What? Well, that's boring."

Scott Eastwood 58:52 Exactly. But-

Joe Rogan 58:53 You become a boring person, too

Scott Eastwood 58:54 ... but there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize, like, "Oh, I've, I've done this dance before."

Joe Rogan 58:58 Tip the scale.

Scott Eastwood 58:58 "I gotta get up at 6:00."

Joe Rogan 58:59 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 59:00 "See you guys."

Joe Rogan 59:01 Yep. There's good to that, too. It's like you have dis- you have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose, and it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like you were saying about vitamins, like, so I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know?

Scott Eastwood 59:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Like that. It's like there's some things that should be non-negotiable, and for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables.

Scott Eastwood 59:21 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:21 All the other things I'll fuck around with in terms of, like-

Scott Eastwood 59:24 They're all, they're all bonus, right?

Joe Rogan 59:25 Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 59:26 Bonus rounds. You have to get cardio. You have to hit weights.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 59:29 You gotta stretch. You gotta get good sleep.

Joe Rogan 59:32 Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain. The, like, above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy, and I'm very aware of that, and I'm, I, I think about that as well, but for me, it's my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day, I'm so easygoing. I'm so free.

Scott Eastwood 59:48 Do you have ADHD?

Joe Rogan 59:49 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Scott Eastwood 59:50 Okay. Same.

Joe Rogan 59:51 I think everybody does.

Scott Eastwood 59:52 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 59:52 Anybody who's any good at anything has it.

Scott Eastwood 59:54 Every ADHD guy thinks-

Joe Rogan 59:55 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 59:55 ... everyone has [laughs] ADHD.

Joe Rogan 59:56 I think it's, I think it's a superpower.

Scott Eastwood 59:58 No, I do, too. I always tell people, and, and you're probably dyslexic.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 No. No, I read well.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:03 You're not dyslexic?

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:04 Okay, 'cause that goes hand-in-hand-

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Interesting

Scott Eastwood 1:00:06 ... quite often, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Huh.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:07 And, and I'm-

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Are you dyslexic?

Scott Eastwood 1:00:09 I'm dyslexic. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 And now, so explain to me what you see when you, like, see text.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:14 I jump.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:15 I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Uh-huh.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:19 My brain starts and then jumps, and then it goes to kind of fix it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Is it regardless of the subject matter? It's like, if you're think- if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing?

Scott Eastwood 1:00:28 Yeah. Now, it just takes intense focus-

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 Hmm

Scott Eastwood 1:00:32 ... for me to read. And once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:39 But [laughs] when I'm not focused or, and there's other things going on, I jump, and then my brain has a really tough time, so I get tired very easily. And then it's like, ugh, and I get, you know, I get a little frustrated, tired, and then I fall asleep reading.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 Hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:00:55 Like that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 I do fall asleep if I try to read at night. [clears throat] But, um, I don't have a hard time reading, so I don't have the dy- dyslexic thing. But I've, I've had friends that have it, and I don't understand. I'm like, so you see it, right, and you're going through it, but what is going on in your brain where it's making you jump back and forth?

Scott Eastwood 1:01:12 I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I, I don't, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 And regardless of the, like, it could be the most important thing you've ever read.

Scott Eastwood 1:01:18 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 You know?

Scott Eastwood 1:01:19 Uh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Like, what if you just, like, won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail. It says, "Scott-

Scott Eastwood 1:01:24 Oh, I'm, I'm reading that incorrectly

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 ... you just won $5 billion."

Scott Eastwood 1:01:26 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 And you're like, "Wait a minute. Do I owe $5 billion? What does that say? I can't read this. Read this for me."

Scott Eastwood 1:01:31 Yeah. No, I don't... Yeah, it's just, I don't know if it's about, it's about the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Text messages are cool Yeah, I mean all, i- it's all, it, it just is harder. It, and now, you know, it, like when I grew up, they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's almost mandatory in schools.

Scott Eastwood 1:01:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking, they give you more time for reading. They, they have, you know-

Scott Eastwood 1:01:55 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 ... uh, teachers that will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can-

Scott Eastwood 1:02:00 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 ... you can use now.

Scott Eastwood 1:02:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 So I got kinda boned. [clears throat]

Scott Eastwood 1:02:04 Tryna check something here 'cause this is something weird. [clears throat] Could be related. Uh, I've been seeing this a lot online, and I'm very curious about this. Uh, people are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it-

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Uh-huh

Scott Eastwood 1:02:17 ... and histamine levels in your body.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Oh, really?

Scott Eastwood 1:02:20 And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies to it, and what I've been seeing is this link. People are taking Zyrtec and Pepcid AC together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Huh. Interesting.

Scott Eastwood 1:02:39 And this is where I'm like, "I don't know."

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway, and skin, in reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So they're saying that it's r- uh, it's a reaction to histamines?

Scott Eastwood 1:02:51 That, that, like that's the mixture of Zyrtec, 'cause Zyrtec's more like allergies.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 [clears throat]

Scott Eastwood 1:02:54 Everyone's into that. Pepcid AC is like acid and, you know, acid reflux.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 I wonder if they're, there's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. Like, I could see people being easily distracted, but when I say ADHD, the people that I know that have it, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really fucking focus on, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:03:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Whether it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that you do where you could just focus on that.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 But other stuff you're just scatterbrained, and you can't-

Scott Eastwood 1:03:22 Yes

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 ... and they'll say, "Oh, you have ADHD."

Scott Eastwood 1:03:23 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 You know, or, you know, you're thinking a million things at once. You can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD, but everyone I know that has that, it's always whether or not they're interested in the thing.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:35 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 As soon as they find the thing they're interested in, they can lock in for fucking-

Scott Eastwood 1:03:38 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 ... 12 hours and forget to eat.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:41 Well, you know how some-

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 This is like-

Scott Eastwood 1:03:42 ... some people, when pressure... I'm sorry to cut you off.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 You're good.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:45 Uh, when, like you squeeze people, they either excel or they fold.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:03:50 When you squeeze, typically I excel. So I don't know it, where that comes from, but when you put the pressure on, I mean, that's why maybe, you know, I can do the job I do. It's like there's 200 people looking at you, and you're like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Right. Ready

Scott Eastwood 1:04:02 ... this is an emotional scene.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:04 You gotta-

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:04:05 ... bring yourself to tears, or it's an emotional, and it's like you squeeze. Some people are good at it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Yeah, but it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan, you know? That's also part of it. It's like you, you know, your dad wasn't gonna help you out.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 You really were out there. Like if you wanna make it in anything, you have to be able to perform, like no matter what it is. If you're a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 You have to, you have to be able to, like keep your shit together and execute. That's, your job relies on that, and if you're a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus [clears throat] and that you can execute when, when it's important. It's like people that avoid, uh, things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill, and that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything is being able to c- focus and being able to perform under pressure.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 It's very important.

Scott Eastwood 1:04:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 And we're missing that in life, you know? We don't have these life or death moments like that our ancestors had all the time, where some fucking villagers are sneaking up over the hill, and you spot them, and you run back to the fucking camp, and you grab the bows and arrows, and you-

Scott Eastwood 1:05:11 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 ... go to war. Like we don't have that, so we don't have like, like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.

Scott Eastwood 1:05:21 Yeah. I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow, it's a World War II movie. Um, Lucky Strike, I'll say the name, plug it. Uh, that generation of men had that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:05:34 Right? Because they [laughs] I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:05:37 ... World War II, I talked to my dad about it, uh, what it was like. He was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on, but he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening. Like, you could hear pins and needles because it was, we didn't know what was gonna happen. I mean, people were scared for their life. Even back home in America, they didn't know what was gonna happen, and that I think is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:08 To, you know, and you know, you, you've said it before on your podcast. It's like the, the hard, hard men, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Mm-hmm

Scott Eastwood 1:06:13 ... create easier times. Easier times create... A- and it's like the cycle that we're in and it's-

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Mm-hmm

Scott Eastwood 1:06:19 ... it's, um, yeah, I don't know. It's, uh... I don't know. I think we need a little bit of that. We need a little hard, harder men.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 100%.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:27 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 Well, it, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, uh-

Scott Eastwood 1:06:33 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 ... toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robs people and rapes.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:36 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 That's toxic ma- That's criminal behavior.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:38 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Okay?

Scott Eastwood 1:06:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 Masculine behavior is not, it's protective. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides for his family, takes care of people. You can call him at 2:00 in the morning 'cause you need a favor or you're stuck on the side of the road. Like-

Scott Eastwood 1:06:52 Yep

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 ... all that shit is important.

Scott Eastwood 1:06:53 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 Strong people are good. It's, it's good to have strong people. Like, and this idea that somehow or another strength is bad for society is, like really crazy.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:02 No, that's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 It's like, no, it's, the strength needs to be channeled correctly, and that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise. And I would say for men, you should at least try martial arts.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:13 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 It's so good for your brain.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 It's so good for your confidence. It's so good for your-

Scott Eastwood 1:07:18 Humility. Humility

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 ... your humility and your, also your understanding of, like your vulnerability, 'cause so many people are fucking delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight start fights, and you're like, "Do you wanna die? Are you trying to die?"

Scott Eastwood 1:07:32 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 'Cause you, you're gonna, you're gonna run into some fucking guy-

Scott Eastwood 1:07:35 Right

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 ... who knows how to fight, and he's gonna hit you in the face, and you're gonna bounce your head off the fucking concrete, and you're gonna die.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:41 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 So stop.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:42 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being, uh- Around violence all the time

Scott Eastwood 1:07:48 Tested. Tested

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 Yeah. Not, uh-

Scott Eastwood 1:07:49 Sharpened.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 Having experience.

Scott Eastwood 1:07:52 [clears throat]

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Knowing what it actually is. And it's dangerous, and you should, you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like-

Scott Eastwood 1:08:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 ... you gotta grow. And we are, we're in a society where people just want relaxation, they want comfort, they want entertainment, and they just wanna be sedentary, and that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis, where a-

Scott Eastwood 1:08:20 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:08:20 ... giant percentage is people who in, act that way, who are sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves, are mentally ill.

Scott Eastwood 1:08:27 You said something that was interesting, the, the being scared. Being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:08:33 Like, for me, when I, you know, it was, it's been martial arts, but it's also been surfing.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 Oh, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:08:38 And, and, you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer. You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind about ... And, and happy because you've accomplished something. You've pushed your boundaries. You've kept pushing them and pushing them and pushing them.

Joe Rogan 1:08:58 How old were you when you started surfing?

Scott Eastwood 1:09:00 I was young. Uh, 8, 10.

Joe Rogan 1:09:03 Oh, wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:09:04 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean r- you know, where it was like ... And, and you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you. And then it's, you know, the, you know, bigger than the room scare you. And, and you go through these ... And it kinda can be alm- you feel like life and death experience if you, you know, if you push, if you're pushing yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 Have you ever had a shark situation?

Scott Eastwood 1:09:23 I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's, um, that's been like, "Oh my God, I'm gonna die."

Joe Rogan 1:09:29 Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, "Oh my God."

Scott Eastwood 1:09:32 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 I'm on a styrofoam fucking-

Scott Eastwood 1:09:35 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 ... p- popsicle stick.

Scott Eastwood 1:09:36 Yeah, well, well there's a, there's a difference between, between, you know, seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat, uh, or seeing a shark you know isn't gonna hurt you, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark?

Scott Eastwood 1:09:50 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:09:50 Bro, we're cool, right? [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:09:51 No, but look, you spent, you spend as much time in the wa- [laughs] You spend as much time in the, in the water as, as, you know, a surfer have done it their whole life, you, you, you kind of understand what, what sharks are gonna hurt you.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 What's going on here, Jamie?

Speaker 1:10:04 Great whites stalking paddleboarders last week.

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 Oh, great.

Speaker 1:10:08 This is-

Joe Rogan 1:10:09 Oh, good Lord. Do they even know it's happening?

Speaker 1:10:11 Does not appear that way.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:12 They don't look like it, uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 Oh my God, how did they not see that fin?

Scott Eastwood 1:10:15 [laughs] Yeah.

Speaker 1:10:15 Not looking behind them.

Joe Rogan 1:10:17 Oh my God, they didn't even see it.

Speaker 1:10:19 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 That's cr- you sure this isn't an AI? Oh, it's ABC News?

Speaker 1:10:21 Yeah, it's going around the-

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 Wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:23 But I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:10:23 Look at that thing

Scott Eastwood 1:10:23 ... I actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras. [laughs] You know, there's just more people with drones and cameras seeing them, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:32 Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places where people are, for sure. I think particularly in, um, Northern California. I think in Nor-

Scott Eastwood 1:10:41 Aus- Australia too.

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 Yeah. Well, Australia, there's a lot of them, man.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 They're, they seem to be angry over there too.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:48 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 Like, their sharks are angry.

Scott Eastwood 1:10:49 They're pissed off about some political reason or something. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 Everything's angry over there. Fucking, their crocodiles are angry, they fuck people up. I was read- reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830-something.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:05 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 And the story [laughs] is, now I don't know if this is true, Jamie. Pull this up. See if it's true. The guy's name, supposedly, rest in peace, Tommy, Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas, when he decided to swim in Adams Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock, and his response was, "Fuck that gator." That was the last thing he said.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:33 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 And then they killed, the, the gator killed him. He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas, uh, since 1836.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:42 Yeah, you don't swim in the bayou. If there's a bayou-

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 But that, but that is one of the most Texas fucking things that anybody's ever said.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:47 Fuck that gator.

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 "Fuck that gator," right before he died. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:11:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 He's probably drunk as fuck.

Scott Eastwood 1:11:52 Not respecting nature.

Joe Rogan 1:11:54 Drunk as fuck. He jumped in a wa- fuck that gator is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you. And that's, you know-

Scott Eastwood 1:12:02 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 ... humility. Gotta have a little humility, Tommy.

Scott Eastwood 1:12:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:05 Tommy, don't say, "Fuck that gator." Here it is. Man mocks alligator, jumps in water, and is killed. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:12:11 Oh, this is recent. No, no, this is 2015.

Joe Rogan 1:12:14 No, this is 2015.

Scott Eastwood 1:12:14 Oh, gotcha, '15.

Joe Rogan 1:12:15 So what is the story? What does it say? [laughs] Does it say he said, "Fuck that gator," in this article? [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:12:21 He said, "Fuck that gator."

Joe Rogan 1:12:23 So there's a sign that's posted. It says, "No swimming. Alligators." And, uh-

Scott Eastwood 1:12:27 And he went in. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:12:28 Oh, yeah, it said he removed his shirt, removed his billfold. Someone shouted a warning, and he said, "Blank that gator," blank the alligators. Fuck.

Scott Eastwood 1:12:36 I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:12:37 He said fuck. Like-

Scott Eastwood 1:12:38 That's natural selection right there

Joe Rogan 1:12:38 ... they say blanks. Why didn't they just write F dash, dash, dash? Jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help.

Speaker 1:12:45 That could've been what the guy actually quoted, even though he, you know, he wasn't quoting him. Maybe he doesn't feel like saying the F word to the-

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 Right. Right, right, right

Speaker 1:12:52 ... to the news.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Yeah. [laughs] Immediately yelling for help is crazy.

Speaker 1:12:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:59 Ugh.

Scott Eastwood 1:13:00 No bueno.

Joe Rogan 1:13:01 Yeah. I was in Florida a couple years back. Uh, we went alligator hunting. And, uh, they're everywhere. Like, it's kinda disconcerting. We were in the Everglades, like, in the, there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators. It is, uh, they're everywhere. It's, it's not hard to find them.

Scott Eastwood 1:13:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:19 They're fucking all over the place.

Scott Eastwood 1:13:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 Like, it's how many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling, 'cause I thought, like, it would be like hunting elk. Like, you gotta go find them, like, we'd be glassing for them. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge.

Scott Eastwood 1:13:34 No way.

Joe Rogan 1:13:34 Do you hear anything? Somebody make a call.

Scott Eastwood 1:13:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:36 Do you hear that out there? No, no, no. No, no, no. There's, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one, or here's a dead one. Here's one w- another alligator killed. They're fucking... Look at this.

Scott Eastwood 1:13:46 No, thanks. Dinosaurs, man. No, thanks.

Joe Rogan 1:13:47 Where is this? This is a guy's tent?

Scott Eastwood 1:13:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:50 Oh, God. Bro, run

Scott Eastwood 1:13:52 [laughs] Yeah, get that video off. What is wrong with you?

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Oh, I've seen this.

Speaker 1:13:54 Yeah, a couple years ago.

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Isn't this in, like, Brazil?

Speaker 1:13:56 I think so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:56 I think this is in Brazil. I think this guy-

Speaker 1:13:58 Look at all the eyes.

Joe Rogan 1:13:59 Oh, fuck all that. Look at all the eyes. [gasps] Oh, I didn't even see that.

Speaker 1:14:04 Yeah, that was what I was trying to get but-

Joe Rogan 1:14:05 That's so scary

Speaker 1:14:06 ... it doesn't even show you how many there are.

Joe Rogan 1:14:06 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1:14:08 There's one, two, three, four, five, six-

Joe Rogan 1:14:10 So they must all come out-

Speaker 1:14:11 ... seven, eight, nine, 10-

Joe Rogan 1:14:11 ... of the water at night-

Speaker 1:14:12 ... 11, 12-

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 ... and this dude put his tent there

Speaker 1:14:13 ... 13, 14, 15.

Joe Rogan 1:14:14 [sighs]

Speaker 1:14:15 Plus the five on the shore.

Joe Rogan 1:14:16 Oh, my God, dude.

Speaker 1:14:18 19, 20.

Joe Rogan 1:14:18 That is insane.

Speaker 1:14:19 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 That's insane. And you know they're all hungry.

Speaker 1:14:21 Yeah, they're not-

Joe Rogan 1:14:22 There's that many of them. How many deer can they eat, you know?

Speaker 1:14:25 They're not small, either.

Joe Rogan 1:14:26 They're not small at all, dude.

Speaker 1:14:27 No.

Joe Rogan 1:14:27 They all could eat you.

Speaker 1:14:28 Big.

Joe Rogan 1:14:29 Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida, being there, was the, just the sheer numbers of them, and then knowing how many pythons there are. And you, I didn't see any pythons, but, uh, I go, "How many do you guys see pythons?" They're like, "Bro." Like occasionally you'll be just driving and you'll see something making its way across the road and it's 15 feet long.

Scott Eastwood 1:14:48 No.

Joe Rogan 1:14:48 Thick.

Scott Eastwood 1:14:48 No, gracias.

Joe Rogan 1:14:49 Thick. Like a-

Scott Eastwood 1:14:49 Mm-mm

Joe Rogan 1:14:50 ... fucking football player's thigh.

Scott Eastwood 1:14:52 I don't, I don't mess with that. See, I don't... I'm, I would way rather be in the water with sharks, 'cause at least you can, you can, you know, you can open your e- you can see, you can kind of-

Joe Rogan 1:15:00 But you can climb a tree if you're out in the woods.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:03 Yeah, but in the bayou, I don't know, man. It's the swamp.

Joe Rogan 1:15:07 Tree.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:07 It's... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:15:08 Yeah, don't go in the water water there.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:10 But outside of the water, I would way rather be on ground.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:13 Well, I mean, if you're, like if you have, you know, distance and you have-

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 You have a gun. You have a lot of things.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:18 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 When you're in the water with a shark, you're fucked, man. You can barely move.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:22 Well, you can actually, if you, if you... They're really deterrent by if you touch their nose. So if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually gonna turn.

Joe Rogan 1:15:31 For real?

Scott Eastwood 1:15:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:32 Have you done this?

Scott Eastwood 1:15:32 For real. No.

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 Gotta get so close.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:34 No, I'm done.

Joe Rogan 1:15:35 Yeah, that is so crazy.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:35 I don't, nah, I'm not trying this motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 1:15:36 So when they come after you, don't flip your legs and scream and-

Scott Eastwood 1:15:38 No

Joe Rogan 1:15:39 ... flail.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:39 No. Keep it in front of you.

Joe Rogan 1:15:40 Get underwater and-

Scott Eastwood 1:15:40 Keep them in front of you

Joe Rogan 1:15:41 ... and bop them.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:41 Yep, bop them.

Joe Rogan 1:15:42 Bop them on the nose.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:42 Bop them.

Joe Rogan 1:15:43 I've heard that before. I've heard punch them. I'm like, "What are you talking about?"

Scott Eastwood 1:15:46 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:15:47 Yeah, here it says, "Bop the nose."

Scott Eastwood 1:15:49 Bop them.

Joe Rogan 1:15:49 How punching a shark in the face saved this hollow, Hawaiian surfer.

Scott Eastwood 1:15:54 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:15:54 Okay

Scott Eastwood 1:15:54 ... look, it's not good either way. You don't wanna be in the water-

Joe Rogan 1:15:56 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:15:56 ... with an angry shark.

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 Well, in Florida, um, they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching this video, there's these guys that go, uh, fishing. I guess it's the Keys, and they go off of this giant bridge.

Scott Eastwood 1:16:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:16:10 And it's like real far to the water, so they have to have this, like, gaff system where they drop a line down and they gaff the fish and then they have to pull it up. They're catching these tunas and they never get them to the, to the, to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks.

Scott Eastwood 1:16:23 It's the bull sharks.

Joe Rogan 1:16:23 There's sharks-

Scott Eastwood 1:16:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:16:23 ... all over the place down there.

Scott Eastwood 1:16:25 Yeah, bull sharks are real dangerous because they, uh, they'll keep attacking, whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, misconfusion, right? They're, they sort of think you're a seal or something-

Joe Rogan 1:16:35 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:16:35 ... and they didn't know, and then they bite and they're like, "Ah, okay." Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming. They're like little chihuahuas.

Joe Rogan 1:16:42 Like pit bulls.

Scott Eastwood 1:16:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:43 Yeah. Yeah, fuck those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy?

Speaker 1:16:49 Bull sharks eating a tuna.

Joe Rogan 1:16:51 Oh, really? [laughs]

Speaker 1:16:52 Yeah, it's the, I thought this was the video-

Joe Rogan 1:16:53 [laughs]

Speaker 1:16:53 ... but there's actually no views on that, so maybe not.

Joe Rogan 1:16:56 Uh, the, well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen-

Speaker 1:16:59 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 ... is this in the Keys as well?

Speaker 1:17:00 It said big shark circling. I thought it was gonna be a little more exciting than this.

Joe Rogan 1:17:04 Oh, man. Imagine you're pulling a fish in and you see a shark. You're like, "You just take it. Take the fish."

Speaker 1:17:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:10 Jesus Christ.

Scott Eastwood 1:17:11 Take the fish.

Joe Rogan 1:17:11 But a lot of guys have, they've pulled them in, they're cut in half, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:17:14 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:15 So you can, they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population, 'cause apparently it's a very high population.

Scott Eastwood 1:17:23 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:17:23 Don't, you know bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made? Do you know the, the original story behind Jaws?

Scott Eastwood 1:17:28 No, I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 1:17:28 The inspiration was actually, uh, bull shark attacks in fresh water on a river-

Scott Eastwood 1:17:34 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:17:34 ... in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one of the w- weird sharks that can live in fresh water.

Scott Eastwood 1:17:39 Go fresh and salt, right?

Joe Rogan 1:17:41 Yeah. Is this the, the thing?

Speaker 1:17:42 Yeah, 1916.

Joe Rogan 1:17:43 Yeah. So this is the, uh, they caught that bull shark.

Speaker 1:17:47 Oof.

Joe Rogan 1:17:47 And, uh, they killed, I think, two people, right?

Speaker 1:17:52 J- uh, 12 people.

Joe Rogan 1:17:53 Series of shark attacks.

Speaker 1:17:54 Four people.

Joe Rogan 1:17:55 Four people were killed and one critically injured. Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heatwave and polio epidemic in the United States that drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey shore. So, uh, they think it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate, but it's in fresh water. It's not gonna be a-

Speaker 1:18:11 They just did a, a 40th anniversary Jaws screening in that bay, and people sat in the water to watch the movie. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:18:19 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:18:19 Also natural selection.

Joe Rogan 1:18:21 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:18:22 It's a great movie.

Joe Rogan 1:18:22 But they've-

Speaker 1:18:23 What?

Joe Rogan 1:18:23 ... they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:27 Oh, yeah, up the river systems.

Joe Rogan 1:18:28 Yeah, they make-

Scott Eastwood 1:18:29 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:18:29 ... their way up the river.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:30 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 1:18:31 That's crazy.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:32 It's the most aggressive shark, and they've found them in fresh water. I think that dude, uh, that used to have that show River Monsters, you remember that guy?

Scott Eastwood 1:18:40 Oh, yeah, I remember the show.

Joe Rogan 1:18:41 Yeah, the guy who just-

Scott Eastwood 1:18:43 Oh

Joe Rogan 1:18:43 ... caught fish all the time, like the craziest-

Scott Eastwood 1:18:45 Kinda like a redneck? Um, was he a redneck?

Joe Rogan 1:18:46 No, he wasn't a redneck.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:47 He wasn't?

Joe Rogan 1:18:47 It was actually like a educated guy with a foreign accent.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:51 Oh, it was-

Joe Rogan 1:18:51 Where was he from?

Scott Eastwood 1:18:51 River Monsters, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:18:52 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:53 I mean, I remember the show.

Joe Rogan 1:18:54 Interesting dude.

Scott Eastwood 1:18:54 I just don't, I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it.

Speaker 1:18:57 Was it Manny?

Joe Rogan 1:18:57 What's it?

Speaker 1:18:58 Manny from, like the, the-

Joe Rogan 1:19:00 The River Monsters guy.

Speaker 1:19:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:19:02 The guy with the gray hair.

Speaker 1:19:03 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:19:04 He was a-

Speaker 1:19:04 Oh, no, it's not him

Joe Rogan 1:19:05 ... fisherman.

Speaker 1:19:05 Jeremy Wade's his name.

Joe Rogan 1:19:06 That's his name. Yeah. Where's he from? He's not from America, right?

Speaker 1:19:10 British biologist.

Joe Rogan 1:19:10 There you go. Yeah, British biologist.

Scott Eastwood 1:19:13 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:19:13 I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch them in fresh water. They realized, like, these things, they go way up the rivers.

Scott Eastwood 1:19:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:23 Way, and they can live in fresh water, unlike all the regular sharks.

Scott Eastwood 1:19:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:26 I think.

Scott Eastwood 1:19:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:28 Maybe some of them can, but I think most of them have to be in salt water, like great whites-

Scott Eastwood 1:19:32 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:19:32 ... stuff like that. They have to be in salt water.

Scott Eastwood 1:19:33 But they, they do f- I mean, they've tagged great whites and they, they'll go around the world. I mean, you think, they would've, they thought, you know, historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns, but they're-

Joe Rogan 1:19:44 Mm

Scott Eastwood 1:19:44 ... they've found them all over

Joe Rogan 1:19:46 Yeah. My daughter got really into megalodons at one point in time, so we really started, like, researching megalodon. She got a megalodon tooth and-

Scott Eastwood 1:19:51 Did the hunt, like a hunting?

Joe Rogan 1:19:53 No, not really, but-

Scott Eastwood 1:19:54 Yeah, for, I mean, you know what I mean, for the-

Joe Rogan 1:19:55 Oh, no-

Scott Eastwood 1:19:55 Where they try to find the fossils

Joe Rogan 1:19:56 ... we didn't, we, we just got one online.

Scott Eastwood 1:19:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:58 But you, uh, you start watching documentaries on megalodons and, you know, and then there's the people that think, "The megalodons might still be out there."

Scott Eastwood 1:20:05 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:20:05 And you're like, "Okay, well, probably not."

Scott Eastwood 1:20:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:07 But either way, like the fact that that thing actually exists-

Scott Eastwood 1:20:10 Pretty wild

Joe Rogan 1:20:11 ... you got a shark the size of a whale [laughs] just out there fucking everything up.

Scott Eastwood 1:20:15 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:20:15 Like you, you wouldn't be surfing if there was megalodons, would you?

Scott Eastwood 1:20:20 I probably still would. I mean, I, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I mean, uh, it's not a bad way to die, I guess. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:20:27 Swallow you whole, son.

Scott Eastwood 1:20:28 Just, no, you gotta die.

Joe Rogan 1:20:28 They swallow you. You have to get, you'll suffocate and get digested.

Scott Eastwood 1:20:32 You're out there doing something you love.

Joe Rogan 1:20:33 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:20:33 And, you know, that's a good story.

Joe Rogan 1:20:35 I guess, for other people.

Scott Eastwood 1:20:37 I mean, it'd be pretty quick. You know? What's worse? What's worse, you live this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last five to seven years of your life and you're hurting and you're, like, dealing with cancer or this, that, or just, bam, get hit by a shark? I don't know. I think kinda.

Joe Rogan 1:20:55 Yeah. I could see it, I guess. But still, the instinct to stay alive is so strong.

Scott Eastwood 1:21:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:02 When I'm a hundred years old and in my bed, I'm like, "Maybe they're gonna have a new drug that's gonna bring me back to life."

Scott Eastwood 1:21:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:09 They probably will be able to do that, too, which is gonna get real weird. If they really can take old people ... Like I was watching this, uh, video where they were talking about human skin cells, and at least in a lab they've been able to take human skin cells and take, like, 60-year-old skin cells and make them 20 again.

Scott Eastwood 1:21:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:27 That's gonna be really weird.

Scott Eastwood 1:21:29 Well, I just don't ... Here, here's the thing. Like, I'm all about living the best version of your life, being as healthy as you can. Maybe not for, uh, like, the, whatever you get, like, being optimal, but isn't kinda the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite?

Joe Rogan 1:21:47 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:21:47 And that it's ... Like, people are just like, "I'm gonna live forever. It's like they're gonna..." It's like, I don't know if I wanna live forever.

Joe Rogan 1:21:52 Yeah. No, there's something to that, man.

Speaker 1:21:54 Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it. Mentioned him earlier.

Joe Rogan 1:22:00 What happens?

Speaker 1:22:00 [laughs] This guy gets eaten by a whale.

Joe Rogan 1:22:03 No way.

Speaker 1:22:04 It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving as he-

Joe Rogan 1:22:08 Is it real?

Scott Eastwood 1:22:08 Just-

Speaker 1:22:09 I don't believe so

Scott Eastwood 1:22:09 ... crawling through that thing's mouth.

Joe Rogan 1:22:11 The guy's just stuck in the whale's mouth?

Speaker 1:22:13 No, it's not. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:22:13 Oh.

Speaker 1:22:13 No, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving.

Joe Rogan 1:22:15 Oh, boy. Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1:22:16 And then the rest of the movie's about-

Scott Eastwood 1:22:18 Getting out?

Speaker 1:22:18 ... getting out, I guess.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:19 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:22:20 Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body?

Speaker 1:22:22 It's a real, a real complex plot.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:22 Like 85 to 95 minutes, I bet. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:22:24 He's 85 to 95 minutes inside-

Speaker 1:22:26 I haven't seen a lot of the movie

Joe Rogan 1:22:26 ... with his scuba tank inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude.

Speaker 1:22:30 Yeah, I'm just joking.

Joe Rogan 1:22:31 Oh my God, and it just keeps swallowing him?

Speaker 1:22:33 Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about.

Joe Rogan 1:22:34 Oh, God damn it.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:36 [laughs] Is that real? Is that a new movie?

Joe Rogan 1:22:37 This is the real movie?

Speaker 1:22:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The movie comes out in October.

Joe Rogan 1:22:39 Oh my God.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:40 Ah.

Speaker 1:22:40 I saw the trailer recently-

Scott Eastwood 1:22:41 Ah

Speaker 1:22:41 ... and I was, this just reminded me, think of it, we were talking about getting eaten by-

Joe Rogan 1:22:43 It might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever been made.

Speaker 1:22:45 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:22:45 I can't decide.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:47 Yeah. I don't know how I feel about that.

Joe Rogan 1:22:48 What do you do if you have a knife? Do you try to carve your way out?

Scott Eastwood 1:22:50 Of the whale?

Joe Rogan 1:22:51 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:52 Well, you have to.

Speaker 1:22:52 Yes, you do. You have to have a knife. Yeah, you would.

Joe Rogan 1:22:54 But how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? Forever.

Scott Eastwood 1:22:57 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:22:58 You're gonna run outta air. If you have the scuba tank and you have a knife, do you really think you can get through a whale? And-

Scott Eastwood 1:23:03 I think, ooh, I don't know. That blubber's thick

Joe Rogan 1:23:05 ... how much-

Speaker 1:23:05 How long does it take to gut a fish?

Joe Rogan 1:23:06 But it's not a fish.

Scott Eastwood 1:23:07 Yeah, that, that blubber is like-

Joe Rogan 1:23:08 It's, it's a fucking bus.

Speaker 1:23:10 Okay. You're gonna, you-

Joe Rogan 1:23:10 It's huge

Speaker 1:23:11 ... you're very motivated. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:23:12 That's true.

Scott Eastwood 1:23:13 It's true.

Joe Rogan 1:23:14 That's true. But you gotta get through rib cages.

Scott Eastwood 1:23:16 I don't know if that's, um, a thick enough plot to have a whole movie. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:23:20 [laughs]

Speaker 1:23:20 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:23:21 If they came to you with the script-

Speaker 1:23:22 I think this is-

Scott Eastwood 1:23:22 ... "Scott-"

Speaker 1:23:23 Yeah. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:23:23 ... "this is the big one."

Joe Rogan 1:23:24 They were green lighting it.

Scott Eastwood 1:23:25 "This is it. This is our Jaws."

Joe Rogan 1:23:28 Oh, God, the m- the business sometimes just, ugh, it's so bad. How long would it take you to carve your way out of a whale?

Speaker 1:23:35 80-foot sperm whale, and he's got less than an hour of oxygen.

Joe Rogan 1:23:38 Oh, that's not gonna ...

Speaker 1:23:39 So that's, you're gonna potentially not make it.

Joe Rogan 1:23:40 I don't think that's enough time. I don't think that's enough time.

Scott Eastwood 1:23:43 [laughs]

Speaker 1:23:43 You don't gotta claw, crawl through 80 feet, but-

Joe Rogan 1:23:45 I think if you kept cutting it up, it might throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue, just kept slashing at all that, he might just throw you up.

Scott Eastwood 1:23:54 Throw you up. Spit you out.

Joe Rogan 1:23:55 Yeah. He might recognize there's something wrong, like you would. Like, if something was, if you put something in your mouth and started biting your tongue, you'd be like, "Ah, ah." You'd try to get rid of it.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:04 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:24:04 I would imagine the whale would do that, too. I'd just start fucking up his tongue.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:07 There you go.

Joe Rogan 1:24:08 Also, to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward, and then stab him again.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:14 I'm glad you have a, you have an exit plan.

Joe Rogan 1:24:15 Pull yourself forward.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:15 You've got a plan.

Joe Rogan 1:24:16 You're not gonna cut your way out. I just think there's too much bone.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:20 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:24:20 I don't think you're gonna make through it, through that bone. Unless you go through ... I don't even know where you would go.

Speaker 1:24:26 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:24:26 Like, the neck. I could figure out how to get through on an elk. I would go that way. I would go where the holes are.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:32 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:24:32 There's holes back here where the, you know, the guts are, and there's holes up here. You know, like where you'd shoot him if you're shooting a frontal. But-

Scott Eastwood 1:24:40 They're not gonna cast you in this movie. They're, they're like, "No, he's getting out too quick."

Joe Rogan 1:24:43 I don't think I'm getting out quick.

Scott Eastwood 1:24:45 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:24:45 I think I'm dying of no air.

Speaker 1:24:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:46 I don't think I'm gonna make it.

Speaker 1:24:47 Yeah. Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here. You're gonna be-

Joe Rogan 1:24:49 Okay

Speaker 1:24:50 ... [laughs] you're gonna be somewhere about here.

Joe Rogan 1:24:51 Where am I? See, I wanna get out through the neck. See right there? That's where I wanna get out. Uh, but all that stuff-

Speaker 1:24:56 You're gonna be in there

Joe Rogan 1:24:57 ... if you, y- y-

Speaker 1:24:57 You'd go through the bottom

Joe Rogan 1:24:57 ... yeah, but you're not, it's gonna take too long for you to get through all those-

Speaker 1:25:01 In the back

Scott Eastwood 1:25:02 ... no, you go right to the sphincter and just like-

Speaker 1:25:03 What would that be?

Scott Eastwood 1:25:03 ... you know, open the little door.

Joe Rogan 1:25:04 Right through the butthole.

Scott Eastwood 1:25:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:05 Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much traveling, okay?

Scott Eastwood 1:25:10 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:25:10 You're gonna wanna, you're gonna wanna go through where you came in.

Speaker 1:25:13 You don't wanna go through the intestines upright, do you?

Joe Rogan 1:25:15 No. And also, you're dealing with acids. They're gonna burn, and I think you wanna cut through the front. So I think as he's swallowing you, you gotta dig in and you gotta make your way through the bottom of his jaw. You gotta start cutting, and maybe you'll get out. But he's got-

Scott Eastwood 1:25:31 I'm glad he's green lit this movie.

Speaker 1:25:33 So-

Scott Eastwood 1:25:33 We need to find out.

Joe Rogan 1:25:34 Yeah. Some crazy person. Maybe it's really good.

Scott Eastwood 1:25:37 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:25:38 Maybe. Josh Brolin's in it, it's probably killer.

Speaker 1:25:39 Yeah, it actually, it came from-

Joe Rogan 1:25:40 It's probably great

Speaker 1:25:41 ... a pretty popular, well, like, New York Times bestselling novel.

Scott Eastwood 1:25:44 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:25:44 Oh.

Speaker 1:25:44 Sounds like a pretty good story.

Scott Eastwood 1:25:46 'Cause they made a movie out of it.

Joe Rogan 1:25:47 There was a, a whale they spotted fairly recently that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s.

Scott Eastwood 1:25:54 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:25:55 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:25:56 That's alive?

Joe Rogan 1:25:57 Yeah. It was alive. Yeah, and it had this harpoon embedded in it. See if you can find that story.

Scott Eastwood 1:26:03 That's a wild-

Joe Rogan 1:26:04 Might be some Inst- Instagram horseshit.

Scott Eastwood 1:26:06 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1:26:07 2007, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:26:08 Yeah, fairly recently. I remember.

Scott Eastwood 1:26:10 The internet.

Joe Rogan 1:26:11 They, they found this whale and they re- recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah, "2007, Native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska made a remarkable discovery. A 50-foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lance, an explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The, uh, artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts. The explosive har- harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s. So the whale's age by survival, surviving the initial attack, whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its neck thick blubber. Uh, the extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales can live for 100 to over 200 years."

Speaker 1:26:59 Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts or did they travel to Alaska with that device?

Joe Rogan 1:27:06 That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot, so they probably like made good tech, like East Coast manufacturing and then they probably shipped it off to Alaska. There's not as many people up there, so they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. So I'd imagine they-

Scott Eastwood 1:27:26 They, they shipped it to, in the, in the 1870s? They shipped it-

Speaker 1:27:28 Yeah, well it was-

Joe Rogan 1:27:29 Yeah

Speaker 1:27:29 ... active all the way up to Alaska

Joe Rogan 1:27:29 They would ship things by train.

Scott Eastwood 1:27:31 Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27:31 They would ship things by train and boats.

Scott Eastwood 1:27:32 Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:27:32 Into the Inuits, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27:33 They, yeah, I mean they always had that.

Scott Eastwood 1:27:34 Makes sense.

Joe Rogan 1:27:35 They always had trade. You know, you could always, uh, ship things. Not easy, but if you wanted to get guns, like say if there was a ... You know, if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns and they would get the guns shipped to them.

Scott Eastwood 1:27:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27:49 They'd either carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country or they can get them shipped to them.

Scott Eastwood 1:27:54 Yeah, I, I went to, um, I shot a movie in Iceland, oh God, 20, feels like 20 years, I think it was 20 years ago. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:28:00 What was it?

Scott Eastwood 1:28:02 Uh, the movie?

Joe Rogan 1:28:02 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:02 It was called F- Flags of Our Fathers and it was also World War II. And you know, the whaling sort of trade was, it's, it's, not, it wasn't looked at, uh, in the same way I think Americans like look at whaling. They're like-

Joe Rogan 1:28:19 Right

Scott Eastwood 1:28:19 ... "Oh my God, how dare you?"

Joe Rogan 1:28:21 They look at it as normal.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:22 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:22 It's, uh, it was really interesting, um-

Joe Rogan 1:28:24 You had to stay alive.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:26 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:26 And, and it's like where, where do you draw the line? It's everyone's got this like, "Oh, you can't kill this but I can have my, my-

Joe Rogan 1:28:32 Listen dude

Scott Eastwood 1:28:32 ... tuna tartare."

Joe Rogan 1:28:33 If you live in Iceland, whaling is on the menu.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:36 'Cause you need to stay alive.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:37 Like especially way back in the day.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:40 Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:40 There was not a lot of resources in Iceland.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:28:43 You know?

Scott Eastwood 1:28:44 They have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that they're, it's very popular that Bourdain told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing he's ever eaten.

Joe Rogan 1:28:53 Really?

Scott Eastwood 1:28:53 And it's a delicacy, like they all love it.

Joe Rogan 1:28:55 Mm.

Scott Eastwood 1:28:55 See if you can find this fermented shark thing that they eat.

Speaker 1:28:58 That was good. I w- uh-

Joe Rogan 1:28:59 But we got-

Speaker 1:29:00 D- [clears throat] that whale was ... Here, interesting question, kind of like what I asked. It's a, it was even older. There's like another problem is that that device would've been used up by 1890 it says, 'cause they were very popular.

Joe Rogan 1:29:12 Oh.

Speaker 1:29:12 So they don't know how specifically it would've gotten in that whale.

Joe Rogan 1:29:16 Interesting. It says, "What you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to an Inuit and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly, Boeckst- Boeckxstaens and his colleagues identified a narrow window in which they believe the whale was shot, somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes." Whoa. "Whales generally become cloudy, their eyes become cloudy as they age. Found only in Arctic waters, the bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century but bounced back after demand for whale borne, whale bone corsets plummeted." Holy shit dude.

Scott Eastwood 1:30:05 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:30:06 That was it? Whale bone corsets were killing all the ... Imagine the whales, they're like, "Why are they killing us? Are they eating us?" Like no, these chicks, they just wanna suck their waist in tight.

Scott Eastwood 1:30:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:30:17 Guys think that's hot.

Scott Eastwood 1:30:18 They're like, "What? No, no. They can't be serious," right? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:30:20 That's what they made them out of?

Speaker 1:30:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30:22 Oh wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:30:23 Oh my.

Joe Rogan 1:30:23 So it had like spines-

Scott Eastwood 1:30:25 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:30:25 ... from the whale bones. What? So that's what it looked like? Like a cor- they turn it into like a almost like a, like strap?

Scott Eastwood 1:30:34 Whale bone.

Speaker 1:30:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30:35 That's whale bone?

Speaker 1:30:37 This is a strange ...

Joe Rogan 1:30:39 What?

Speaker 1:30:40 Who thought of that?

Joe Rogan 1:30:40 Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood?

Speaker 1:30:43 Steel boning versus synthetic whale bone.

Scott Eastwood 1:30:45 They probably ate the whales and then they were like, "Oh look, this excess bone we can use."

Joe Rogan 1:30:50 Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible.

Speaker 1:30:53 Oh no this says whale bones weren't even made from bone at all.

Scott Eastwood 1:30:56 I went to a, I went to my buddy's, uh, cattle processing plant in California and they use everything.

Joe Rogan 1:31:04 Really?

Scott Eastwood 1:31:05 I mean everything. They use the, uh, uh, part of the heart I believe. Oh it's, it's an organ, I can't remember. They use it, uh, in medical operations. They pull it out and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing. I mean down to everything, the hooves, everything.

Joe Rogan 1:31:28 Wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:31:29 And it's, it's actually like fascinating to see and you're like, "Oh this is super efficient." This uses for a lot of different applications, for hide, for, for all kinds of stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:31:39 Which makes sense because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all?

Scott Eastwood 1:31:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:42 And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale's being completely harvested, like every-

Scott Eastwood 1:31:46 Completely

Joe Rogan 1:31:47 ... everything is used.

Scott Eastwood 1:31:49 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:31:49 That's awesome. Yeah. I mean re- if you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and it's all grass-fed meat-

Scott Eastwood 1:31:59 Yep

Joe Rogan 1:31:59 ... and the animals are raised on a pasture like they're supposed to be.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:03 Even, even the way they slaughtered them at this place was super, it was really gentle. They, and that was their whole thing. It's like- We're taking a soul, but this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it was really painless, and it was just boom, boom, and then it was super well planned.

Joe Rogan 1:32:19 Was it No Country for Old Men style?

Scott Eastwood 1:32:21 Oh, the, oh, the air bullet thing?

Joe Rogan 1:32:24 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:24 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 1:32:24 The bullet to the head?

Scott Eastwood 1:32:25 It goes right to the, the forehead.

Joe Rogan 1:32:26 Yeah. Apparently that just shuts the lights off.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:28 Shuts the lights off quick, and then they bleed him out.

Joe Rogan 1:32:30 How, how badass was that motherfucker in that movie?

Scott Eastwood 1:32:32 Javier? Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:32:33 Javier was-

Scott Eastwood 1:32:35 So good

Joe Rogan 1:32:36 ... so good in that movie.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:37 Such a creep.

Joe Rogan 1:32:37 It might be one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:41 Because you believed him.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:32:43 You believed him.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:32:45 When he's making that dude flip that quarter.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:47 Oof.

Joe Rogan 1:32:48 You know?

Scott Eastwood 1:32:48 He's, I mean, he gives you the chills.

Joe Rogan 1:32:50 Oh, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:51 That hair, that weird haircut.

Joe Rogan 1:32:52 Yeah, weird haircut.

Scott Eastwood 1:32:54 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:32:54 And it, but it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like, that dude's got some darkness in his eyes.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:33:01 That mother- yeah. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:33:03 Look at that weird haircut.

Joe Rogan 1:33:05 Crazy haircut.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:07 God, he just-

Joe Rogan 1:33:08 But Javier is a bad motherfucker, dude. His, there's something about his bad guys that are... Like this Cape Fear role that he's in now.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:16 Mm-hmm. I haven't seen it yet.

Joe Rogan 1:33:17 I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer made me uncomfortable.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:19 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:33:20 Just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:23 He's a good creep.

Joe Rogan 1:33:23 He cl- he plays a real good psycho.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:26 You know, there's some dudes where you're like, "I believe it."

Scott Eastwood 1:33:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:33:29 And some guys, you're like, "Come on, man. You're a nice guy." [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:33:33 [laughs] Also, the original Cape Fear, I mean, Robert De Niro in the original Cape Fear, man, oof.

Joe Rogan 1:33:38 You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like, what is more challenging for you, like, to play a bad guy or to play, like, the World War II thing, you gotta play someone from a different era.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:52 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:33:52 Which I would imagine has its own challenges. But is it hard for you? 'Cause you're so nice.

Scott Eastwood 1:33:56 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:33:56 Like, do you have, would you have, do you have a hard time when you play bad guys?

Scott Eastwood 1:33:59 Uh, well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was, like, you know, the ultimate, right?

Joe Rogan 1:34:03 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:03 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:34:03 He rules.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:04 Yeah. In, uh, Wrath of Man. And it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to. You know, you could, like, act out on your impulses a little bit. Uh, you know, you think of something fucked up in your head, and you're like, "Why would, why did I think that? I'm, I'm not gonna punch that person in the face."

Joe Rogan 1:34:24 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:24 "Why did I think that?" [laughs] You kind of, like, you know, to, like, a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you, you could kinda, like, revel in your own, like, messed up thinking.

Joe Rogan 1:34:36 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:37 Um, but I don't, I, I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think, uh, I think I wanna do it very selectively. Like, I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's, I think he's one of the best, best, best.

Joe Rogan 1:34:49 Ever. Look at you.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:50 Yeah. And so, you know, I was, I kinda, I had to kill a kid there.

Joe Rogan 1:34:53 Yeah, I know.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:53 And I was, I had to just do the dirty work and get it done.

Joe Rogan 1:34:56 You even look evil there, like something's, something's different.

Scott Eastwood 1:34:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34:59 Look at your face.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:00 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:35:00 Doesn't even look like you. Okay. You look evil.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:04 You look, like, legitimately evil.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:05 Yeah. Yeah, I was loose, I was tying up loose ends there.

Joe Rogan 1:35:08 Is it, um, when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil?

Scott Eastwood 1:35:13 A little. I'm, look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job.

Joe Rogan 1:35:17 I know.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:18 I treat it, I treat it as a job. I'm not one of these crazy psychos that, like, like, let things become distorted in your mind. You have to-

Joe Rogan 1:35:25 When you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:35:28 I mean, yeah. I mean, I believe him. Daniel Day, like, I believe him.

Joe Rogan 1:35:32 I believe him too.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:32 So I don't know. Maybe, you know, maybe I... You know, if you wanna be the best, I think it comes with a price.

Joe Rogan 1:35:37 Mm.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:38 And that price is-

Joe Rogan 1:35:38 Sanity.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:40 A little bit of sanity.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:41 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:35:42 You gotta give it up.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:43 My dad was never like that. He was like, "It's a job. Like, go to work, do the best you can, put in the reps, make sure you're, you know your shit, and you come prepared, and you have some, something interesting. But fucking leave it at the door, man."

Joe Rogan 1:35:55 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:35:56 You know? You see people, like, their minds get twisted. And, and we deal in, with artists, right? Artists are, they can be special sometimes.

Joe Rogan 1:36:05 Yeah, and they take themselves very seriously.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36:07 Um, but there's also a certain amount of you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're really gonna pull it off.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:16 Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:36:16 And you really did pull it off, so you had to be having some evil thoughts.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:19 Yeah. Yeah, you ha- yeah, you have some, you have some dark-

Joe Rogan 1:36:21 Like, I would love to talk to you-

Scott Eastwood 1:36:22 I was, like, it was a, it was a greedy role.

Joe Rogan 1:36:25 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:25 And I was like, I kinda let the greed take over.

Joe Rogan 1:36:29 Mm.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:29 Which is a little, which is a little scary.

Joe Rogan 1:36:31 So do you have to think like a greedy guy before the ro- like w- like, when you're getting ready for a scene, like, how do you get your head in that space?

Scott Eastwood 1:36:39 Yeah, a lot of, a lot of manifesting, sort of, those thoughts and emotions. Like, "I'm gonna fucking do, I'm gonna fucking take whatever the fuck I want right now." You know, so you sort of, you know, you, you play that, but then you gotta let it go.

Joe Rogan 1:36:54 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:54 Like, at the end of the day, man, you gotta let it go.

Joe Rogan 1:36:57 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:36:57 You gotta be like, "All right, cool. That was, that was that thing." And then-

Joe Rogan 1:37:00 That's gotta be slippery, right?

Scott Eastwood 1:37:02 I think it can be if you don't have, if you value this career too preciously, and you don't realize, hey, we're telling stories. It's fun. I'm so grateful I've gotten to do it. Uh, but it doesn't define me. It might have made me, but it's not gonna break me.

Joe Rogan 1:37:24 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:37:24 I have other interests and other things, and I know there's other important shit out there that I could do in this life. I think you have to have that level of thinking because if you think this is everything... And I, I mean, it's too extreme. It's, like, extreme, what we were talking about before. It, it can get too... It's not healthy.

Joe Rogan 1:37:44 Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of people have problems after roles are done. Like, apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman 'cause-

Scott Eastwood 1:37:53 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:37:53 ... yeah. I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got, th- from all accounts, the people that worked with him on the film, like, he got so into that character, that he was, like, being Andy Kaufman all the time.

Scott Eastwood 1:38:06 Yeah. Yeah, we heard a lot of accounts. Like, it was, it was like they were like, "Dude, you gotta chill. You gotta-" You got to chill.

Joe Rogan 1:38:12 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:38:13 I mean, I've worked with some that are, that have taken it to the level.

Joe Rogan 1:38:16 Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker. The people were like, "Hey, man, stop. Stop sending me dead birds."

Scott Eastwood 1:38:23 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:38:23 Rats. Yeah, dead rats. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:38:26 Uh, Shia LaBeouf. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:38:28 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:38:28 ... LaBeouf, LaBeouf.

Joe Rogan 1:38:29 I don't know.

Scott Eastwood 1:38:30 I always get corrected.

Joe Rogan 1:38:31 Sorry, Shia.

Scott Eastwood 1:38:32 Shia.

Joe Rogan 1:38:32 But, yeah, there's a lot of those guys. They, they, they go into that rabbit hole-

Scott Eastwood 1:38:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:38:36 ... and they can't crawl out.

Scott Eastwood 1:38:38 It's just, uh, I think just having... Also, it's, like, frontal cortex being defined, right? Like, you get famous too early when you d- You know, I was, I worked as a valet, I worked as a bar back. I freaking did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kinda like, "Oh, no, I understand, like, how the real world operates." You get famous too early, you get stunted in your growth.

Joe Rogan 1:38:59 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:00 And I truly believe that.

Joe Rogan 1:39:01 I think so, too.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:02 And I-

Joe Rogan 1:39:02 I think it's a real crime when they do it to little kids.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:05 It's 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:39:06 They never make it out normal.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:08 No.

Joe Rogan 1:39:08 I never met one. I've, I've met some that are okay.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:12 Leo. Leo, Leo. Leo made it out.

Joe Rogan 1:39:13 Yeah?

Scott Eastwood 1:39:13 Yeah. I mean, he, he, he was a child actor.

Joe Rogan 1:39:15 That's right.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:15 But he, he had good people around him. He had, you know, he, he's disciplined and he, um, yeah, he's got a good, like, sense of the world.

Joe Rogan 1:39:25 That's good.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:26 But he always has, like, 20-year-old girlfriends. It's easy to be happy.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:31 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:39:32 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:39:32 Isn't that recent?

Joe Rogan 1:39:32 He's chilling on a yacht with 20-year-olds.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:34 Yeah, his 20-year-old girlfriend.

Joe Rogan 1:39:35 I don't understand. Like, what do they even talk about?

Scott Eastwood 1:39:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:38 But at the end of the day-

Scott Eastwood 1:39:39 Maybe less talking

Joe Rogan 1:39:40 ... there's very few.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:41 Well, he did really, he really was famous-

Scott Eastwood 1:39:43 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:43 ... huh, pretty young, though.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:44 Yeah, real young.

Joe Rogan 1:39:44 He might be the only one.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:46 But, I mean, I guess Jodie Foster, she seems pretty put together.

Scott Eastwood 1:39:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:39:49 She doesn't seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the worlds and th- these other people, and you go-

Scott Eastwood 1:39:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:55 ... "Oh, man, I don't think that was really good for them," you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:39:59 Yeah. There's, I think also-

Joe Rogan 1:40:00 Corey Feldman. You see these people that were, like, huge movie stars and they're young, and as they're getting older it's like, I don't think they're doing good.

Scott Eastwood 1:40:08 Yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:40:08 I think their head's all fucked up.

Scott Eastwood 1:40:10 Yeah. Well, when you place too much value on that, too, and then it goes away-

Joe Rogan 1:40:14 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:40:14 ... and then you're where, where's your identity?

Joe Rogan 1:40:16 I had Macaulay Culkin in here, and he was very interesting.

Scott Eastwood 1:40:18 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:40:19 Um, very nice guy. Like, very smart guy, interesting guy, but he struggles. You know, it's like he realizes he, he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood.

Scott Eastwood 1:40:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:30 Became famous as a little kid, man. Home Alone, he was little.

Scott Eastwood 1:40:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:34 You know?

Scott Eastwood 1:40:34 My da- I mean, kudos to my dad, 'cause he, he did a really good job of, uh, protecting us from that. Uh, and, and very private. We didn't live in LA, didn't live, you know, we, we lived in Carmel. We w- were, it was a very n, you know, as normal as it could be.

Joe Rogan 1:40:51 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:40:51 Uh, but in the sense that it, he was like, "No, that's, you know, you just, you need to be a, a normal-

Joe Rogan 1:40:57 A human

Scott Eastwood 1:40:57 ... child and learn how the world works."

Joe Rogan 1:41:00 Carmel's beautiful, man.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:02 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:41:02 Nice place to grow up.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:05 Gorgeous views.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:05 They say, they say, uh, "Newlywed and nearly dead." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:41:08 Right? That's what it is.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:09 'Cause it's like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:10 People get married there, and then they fucking go there to die.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:13 It's so true.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:14 Yeah. It's a little slow for me. But it's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 1:41:17 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:17 I lo- I do, I do appreciate it. I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 1:41:19 But they have annoying homeowners associations.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:22 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:22 Come on.

Joe Rogan 1:41:23 I bet they have some-

Scott Eastwood 1:41:23 "Hey, you were at the thing and you do, and you didn't do what you were supposed to do."

Joe Rogan 1:41:27 "This is off-white."

Scott Eastwood 1:41:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:41:29 "This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color."

Scott Eastwood 1:41:34 Yeah. Fucking get a life. Just give them more time.

Joe Rogan 1:41:36 Well, old people love to control their ar- their neighborhood.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:41:39 They, they get horrible on those homeowners associations.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:43 Oh, yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:41:43 Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood, like, ugh.

Scott Eastwood 1:41:48 I'm, like, so bored with that story. I'm like, "God, you, can you just be different?"

Joe Rogan 1:41:52 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:41:52 "Can you just surprise me with something else," you know?

Joe Rogan 1:41:55 Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people, too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't wanna be around parties, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:42:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:02 So that's why Carmel, like, calls out to them. And if you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you got old people living around old, rich people.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:09 Rich, rich people. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:09 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:10 The most fun.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:12 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:42:13 They're the most fun.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:14 They're the most fun. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:42:16 Yeah. The-

Scott Eastwood 1:42:17 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:42:17 ... they're the most entitled.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:19 The most, they think they can tell you the most what to do, 'cause they're used to telling everybody what to do. Hoy. But still, Carmel, fucking beautiful. Beautiful part of the country.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:29 That coast, oh my God. And also, sharks out there.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:33 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:42:33 A lot of great whites.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:34 There's a lot of sharks.

Joe Rogan 1:42:34 They're all over the place up there.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:42:37 Yeah. But it's, uh, California, man, is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. It has so much variation. There's so m- you got deserts, you got the beach, you got mountains. You got, we got everything all in this one beautiful state.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:51 Yeah, everyone was, I mean, even in the, the, like, development of our country, right, it was like everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious.

Joe Rogan 1:42:59 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:42:59 And it was like, ah, the gold rush and getting out west.

Joe Rogan 1:43:03 And then California, really LA, it was the movie industry.

Scott Eastwood 1:43:06 I know, which-

Joe Rogan 1:43:06 And that's really what made it

Scott Eastwood 1:43:07 ... it's kind of sad now because it's, they've completely driven it out. I mean, there, you still have TV show-

Joe Rogan 1:43:13 Good job, guys.

Scott Eastwood 1:43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:15 Barely have TV shows.

Scott Eastwood 1:43:16 Barely.

Joe Rogan 1:43:17 Barely.

Scott Eastwood 1:43:18 It's brutal. It's brutal what they've done.

Joe Rogan 1:43:19 Do you still live there?

Scott Eastwood 1:43:21 No.

Joe Rogan 1:43:21 You live out here now?

Scott Eastwood 1:43:22 Yeah. I'm, I, I, I kind of, I tell people I live on the road, 'cause that's essentially where I am. You know, I was, I was Atlanta, I was here, I was there, I was in Italy making a movie.

Joe Rogan 1:43:34 Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, there never, it's, how many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not, not even beneficial to live there.

Scott Eastwood 1:43:41 I, I've never, I don't think I've ever worked on... Maybe I've w- worked on one film. But it was out for a week, and it was, we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:50 They make it so hard for people now. It's so stupid.

Scott Eastwood 1:43:53 Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's, um, it's sad because, uh, film is, you know, inherently, it, like, Hollywood is, is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America. And it's like to see that, uh, just get completely blown up-

Joe Rogan 1:44:12 I know

Scott Eastwood 1:44:12 ... like an industry.

Joe Rogan 1:44:14 Oh. Do you have friends still live back there?

Scott Eastwood 1:44:16 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tons of California friends and- You know, it, I, look, I, I was never, I don't have a lot of industry friends. I had, I do have some, but actors, like, sometimes aren't my people. [laughs] They're just not.

Joe Rogan 1:44:36 Right.

Scott Eastwood 1:44:36 I just, I don't know. Like, the, it, I don't wanna intellectualize about it. I don't wanna talk about acting. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:44:41 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:44:42 Like, it's like, yeah, it's like cool, it's just something I do, but it doesn't define me, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:44:46 Some of them are just, they're so self-important.

Scott Eastwood 1:44:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:49 And it's, you know, you're d- it's not even almost not their fault, almost, 'cause they're getting their asses kissed all the time. And they're on sets, and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee, and everyone's always catering to them, so they, they start feeling like they deserve that from the world.

Scott Eastwood 1:45:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:04 It just gets real weird.

Scott Eastwood 1:45:06 It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry, right?

Joe Rogan 1:45:10 It's horrible.

Scott Eastwood 1:45:11 Masked by, um, [laughs] masked by, like, false security, right? Like, it's like, "I'm, I'm the man. I'm tough," or, "I'm-

Joe Rogan 1:45:19 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:45:19 ... I'm this thing." You build this ego up, and you're like-

Joe Rogan 1:45:22 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:45:23 ... "Ah, dude. Like, we're just doing a job here. Can you get to set and shut the fuck up?"

Joe Rogan 1:45:28 It's just the attention that you get, you know?

Scott Eastwood 1:45:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:30 You get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And you know, it's natural, natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living.

Scott Eastwood 1:45:41 No, and, and, and like some of the accountability, man, in the industry is unbelievable. Like I, I, you know, I just worked with somebody that, and I think was just, without saying any names, but you know, just it, maybe, you know, people just get, like, too famous for too long that they think the world owes them something. And then-

Joe Rogan 1:46:00 Mm-hmm

Scott Eastwood 1:46:00 ... when it comes to, like, doing the right thing, you're like, "Dude, you got to d- it, it's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit. You, you can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior." And they're like, "Fuck that. I can do what I..." And you're just like, "What, dude? What?"

Joe Rogan 1:46:16 What are you talking about exactly? [laughs] You could, you could say a name, and then we'll edit it out.

Scott Eastwood 1:46:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:46:21 You wanna do that?

Scott Eastwood 1:46:22 Well, yeah, I just, you know, y- we started working on a f- on a film with, with a director and, and they decided, you know, after we'd spent a bunch of money that they just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this other person and, and, uh, didn't wanna do the, do the job, do the thing. And so I was like, "Okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you." [laughs] And they're like, "I'm not gonna do that." And it's like, "Well, uh, uh yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do."

Joe Rogan 1:46:51 So they decided they didn't wanna work with another person? Like-

Scott Eastwood 1:46:54 Yeah, didn't wanna work with, like, another person after we, like, started pre-production on the film.

Joe Rogan 1:46:58 So they were trying to get the person kicked off the sh- the movie, or were they leaving?

Scott Eastwood 1:47:01 They just left, and they just, their, it was their, their directorial, their story, their thing. It was just like, "Bro, you, the, you took money from somebody."

Joe Rogan 1:47:10 That's also a good way to get sued. That seems like-

Scott Eastwood 1:47:13 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:47:13 ... that person can get sued pretty easy for that.

Scott Eastwood 1:47:16 Yeah, but it's just, it's like, it's just the, the bigger, the bigger thing is just I, I, s- I, I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking, that would not go in other industries. But for some reason, because we idolize-

Joe Rogan 1:47:30 Because they're stars, right

Scott Eastwood 1:47:31 ... yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:47:31 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:47:32 ... you're like, "What, dude?"

Joe Rogan 1:47:33 It's also the thing, there's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that. They wanna be a star so they can order people around or just do whatever the fuck they wanna do and just be-

Scott Eastwood 1:47:42 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:47:42 ... unpredictable and wild, like they, they actually enjoy that aspect of being famous.

Scott Eastwood 1:47:47 Yeah, I, I, to be honest, I never, I really didn't, like I, people, people think they wanna be famous. You don't wanna be famous. You don't wanna be famous. Rich-

Joe Rogan 1:47:57 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 1:47:57 ... sure.

Joe Rogan 1:47:58 Rich is better.

Scott Eastwood 1:47:59 Rich is better, but to be fa- like, that goal is so twisted. It's not, like, I love telling stories, and when we're doing a creative endeavor, and you move people, whether you'll make them laugh, make them cry, whatever, but the whole other side of that is, like, just really ugly. And it's, a- and I think I was lucky in some ways 'cause I got to see it growing up and got to see, like, how it's bullshit. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:48:27 Right, when your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time-

Scott Eastwood 1:48:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:48:30 ... and he's just your dad-

Scott Eastwood 1:48:31 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:48:31 ... you go, "Oh, this is bullshit."

Scott Eastwood 1:48:33 It's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 1:48:34 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:48:34 Complete bullshit.

Joe Rogan 1:48:34 And also, your dad is not, like, a guy who gives into that stuff either.

Scott Eastwood 1:48:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48:39 He's not a guy who worships that kind of fame or is not interested-

Scott Eastwood 1:48:43 No

Joe Rogan 1:48:43 ... in that at all.

Scott Eastwood 1:48:44 Not at all. He's just a put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in a, a creative endeavor, which is really cool, and gets to use that, you know, use that muscle, but...

Joe Rogan 1:48:55 Did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous at it?

Scott Eastwood 1:49:00 Sure. I think I was always like, I think I was always like, "Hey, I love telling stories. I love watching movies. I love this." I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever be, like, just an actor. It wasn't like, "Oh, that's my-"

Joe Rogan 1:49:15 But you loved film

Scott Eastwood 1:49:16 ... my thing. I loved the storytelling of it, and I was, like, a conduit in. I'm doing other, other things in film now, producing, and I do wanna direct. Um, it'd be nice to, like, show up with my own clothes to work.

Joe Rogan 1:49:29 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:49:29 You know, it's like, "Wear less. We're here." Um, but also film's a director's medium. It's not really an actor's medium. You need actors. It's part of the deal. But the f- making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know, there's a film made in, in script, in development. There's a film made while you're shooting it, and there's a film made in editing.

Joe Rogan 1:49:50 Have you ever directed anything before?

Scott Eastwood 1:49:51 Mm-mm. I've, you know, I've done, in, in a creative capacity where I've been a producer, I've [laughs] you know, ha- had a hand in directing.

Joe Rogan 1:50:03 Mm-hmm. But not actually-

Scott Eastwood 1:50:04 But not like, "Hey, that's my-

Joe Rogan 1:50:05 ... as the helm

Scott Eastwood 1:50:05 ... that's my name on the, on the thing, and I'm super proud of it." I, I just haven't found the right material to go out-

Joe Rogan 1:50:11 Mm

Scott Eastwood 1:50:11 ... and to go out and kinda schlep around.

Joe Rogan 1:50:13 Do you write?

Scott Eastwood 1:50:14 No.

Joe Rogan 1:50:15 No?

Scott Eastwood 1:50:16 And I, I, I, it's the backbone of the industry.

Joe Rogan 1:50:19 Right. Yeah, if you could write your own thing.

Scott Eastwood 1:50:22 Yeah. I don't know how, I, like when, like the discipline to do it for, like, for what you do is, um, it's, it's tough, you know? Like, you have to... thought to paper. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:50:35 Mm-hmm. That doesn't interest you?

Scott Eastwood 1:50:38 It, it does in a sense. I just don't like sitting. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:50:44 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:50:44 You know what I mean? I, I, I'm really good at, at collaborating and talking about material and saying, "Well, what about this?"

Joe Rogan 1:50:50 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:50:50 "What if he said this? What if he did this? What about this? What, can we go this way?" So I think writing partner-

Joe Rogan 1:50:54 Maybe you can have a writing partner, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:50:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:56 Yeah. Maybe you have a writing partner, someone who you jive with that's creative, and you guys could get together, and you could come up with your own idea. That way you have, like, material that is exciting for you, and you could direct that. Because I would imagine if you're, even working with guys like Guy Ritchie and all these directors that you work with, you've k- got a chance to see the, the discipline, i- in the, the highest level.

Scott Eastwood 1:51:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:18 Like, you get to see those guys do it.

Scott Eastwood 1:51:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:20 You know, you get to see how they piece it together. It must be fascinating.

Scott Eastwood 1:51:23 It is. And everyone has a different, um, a different way of going about it. Like Guy Ri-

Joe Rogan 1:51:28 Right

Scott Eastwood 1:51:28 ... Guy Ritchie, here's the thing about Guy Ritchie. You learn the script, then you show up, and he's just like, pshh, throws it out the window and goes, "You say this, you do that, you do this." And then you're like, "Okay." And so if you're not... It doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, "This is awesome. Let's do, let's, what is it? Okay, let's go."

Joe Rogan 1:51:49 So m- meaning he wants you to improvise? He wants you to talk like a real person?

Scott Eastwood 1:51:53 It's not necessarily that it's, it's improvising. It's more he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats. So he's seen the movie, what he's already shot, and then he's like, "I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this." He kind of like is molding the movie in-

Joe Rogan 1:52:08 In real time

Scott Eastwood 1:52:09 ... in real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer, they have, like, a s- blacked out trailer, and they'll watch the movie, and he'll, they'll, they'll radio in [laughs] and say, "Hey, say it like this," or, "Do it like this," or do, you know, "Do it one more time."

Joe Rogan 1:52:24 Mm-hmm.

Scott Eastwood 1:52:24 So he's kind of, like, watching the movie as a s- as an audience member.

Joe Rogan 1:52:28 Wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:52:30 It's really interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:52:31 Is he the only one you know that does it that way?

Scott Eastwood 1:52:33 Yes, 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:52:34 Wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:52:34 You, and then you have guys like my dad, who would never do that. They would, they wouldn't even... They're just, they are, like, right there just going, "Okay. Say that like that."

Joe Rogan 1:52:43 Have you heard Matt Damon's story?

Scott Eastwood 1:52:45 Um, which one?

Joe Rogan 1:52:46 Matt Damon was, uh, working with your dad, and he did a take, and, uh, and he liked it, but he wanted to do it again, 'cause we do it again, and Clint's like, "Nah, we got it."

Scott Eastwood 1:52:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52:55 He's like, "But I've been fucking working forever on this [laughs] -"

Scott Eastwood 1:52:59 Thing

Joe Rogan 1:52:59 ... "I want, I want one more go at it." He's like, "We got it."

Scott Eastwood 1:53:02 Yeah. And he probably said something like, "Well, if you wanna waste everyone's time, sure." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:53:09 [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:53:09 And then Matt's like, "No, no, no, no, no. We're good. We're good."

Joe Rogan 1:53:12 [laughs] I was like-

Scott Eastwood 1:53:12 "We're good. We're good."

Joe Rogan 1:53:13 Oh, so funny.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:15 It's so funny. Yeah, it, um, whatever Guy Ritchie's process is, it works.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:21 It works.

Joe Rogan 1:53:22 'Cause his fucking shows, his movies are o- o- some of my all-time favorites.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:27 Right from the beginning, right from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, and Snatch.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:31 Holy shit, his movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of almost, like, uh, he's, like, the benchmark for that genre of, like, British crime genre.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:53:46 That's him.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:47 That's him.

Joe Rogan 1:53:48 That's the... You think of British crime drama, oh, Guy Ritchie.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:50 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:53:50 Guy Ritchie movie.

Scott Eastwood 1:53:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:51 Like, there's this dude, his name is Lee Murray. Lee Murray, i- he was a UFC fighter. Uh, he was famous in London, in England, uh, for being, like, a street fighter and this, like, crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at a really high level, like, won in the UFC, and then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:13 No way.

Joe Rogan 1:54:13 Oh, yeah, yeah. This guy was a full on psycho.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:16 He was a gangster.

Joe Rogan 1:54:16 So, oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight, and they made a video of him hitting mitts six weeks later. Six weeks later he's back in the gym, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. It, it's, he was a crazy person.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:30 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:54:30 I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine in the first round.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:33 But so he got, he got arrested for this crime?

Joe Rogan 1:54:36 Yep. Oh, yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:36 For the, the-

Joe Rogan 1:54:37 Oh, he's still in jail

Scott Eastwood 1:54:37 ... he's still in prison.

Joe Rogan 1:54:38 He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:54:41 They stole an enormous amount of money, and they did it, like, in a very high tech, like w- like, like the movie Heat.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:48 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:54:48 Like, that crazy.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54:49 Like, they had full masks on, armor, fucking body armor, the whole deal.

Scott Eastwood 1:54:54 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:54:55 And how much did they steal?

Scott Eastwood 1:54:57 Um, 53 million pounds.

Joe Rogan 1:55:01 Oh, wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:01 Which is $92 million.

Joe Rogan 1:55:02 The biggest, I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:06 And did they, did they hurt-

Joe Rogan 1:55:07 It's the largest-

Scott Eastwood 1:55:07 ... they hurt people doing it?

Joe Rogan 1:55:09 They didn't hug them. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 1:55:10 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:55:10 They didn't help them. I don't know if they killed anybody.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:11 No, I mean, I'm just wondering, like, if-

Joe Rogan 1:55:13 The largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. Wow.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:17 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:55:17 So it's worth $92 million.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:20 Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:55:20 53 million pounds back then. So that was in 2006. So this is after he had been in the UFC.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:55:27 So I, you know, I called his fight in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then. Uh-

Scott Eastwood 1:55:32 Wow

Joe Rogan 1:55:33 ... they left over 150 million behind, 150 million pounds, because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy shit.

Scott Eastwood 1:55:40 [laughs] How did they get caught?

Joe Rogan 1:55:41 Only about 21 million pounds of the stolen cash has ever been recovered, so somebody made away with more than 30 million pounds. So he flew to Morocco, Murray and several associates fled to Morocco because he held do- uh, dual British/Moroccan citizenship, and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall in Rabat following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Mor- in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to 10 years, Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping, and armed robbery.

Scott Eastwood 1:56:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:56:25 So, like- When this guy got arrested and when everyone was hearing the story, everybody was saying, "That guy's gotta be a Guy Ritchie movie."

Scott Eastwood 1:56:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56:32 Like, that's, that's how much-

Scott Eastwood 1:56:34 100%

Joe Rogan 1:56:34 ... Guy Ritchie has, like, locked down that genre.

Scott Eastwood 1:56:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:56:37 And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist?

Scott Eastwood 1:56:45 Well, something came out in ... Shit. Ch- Chasing Lightning?

Joe Rogan 1:56:51 It came out already?

Scott Eastwood 1:56:51 He probably, he probably-

Joe Rogan 1:56:52 No, no, no

Scott Eastwood 1:56:52 ... he probably didn't make that

Joe Rogan 1:56:53 I doubt it will

Scott Eastwood 1:56:53 ... but, uh, something came out. It's like a miniseries about it-

Joe Rogan 1:56:56 Oh, about the heist

Scott Eastwood 1:56:57 ... on true crime.

Joe Rogan 1:56:58 But has Guy Ritchie been connected to a movie about it?

Scott Eastwood 1:57:00 No.

Joe Rogan 1:57:00 'Cause I know a bunch of people were talking about it, saying, like, "It has to be a Guy Ritchie movie." Like, if you're gonna really capture who this guy was.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57:07 Like, he was a real nut, like a real, like, world-class fighter.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:11 Who, who would play him? Like, give me the ... 'Cause I don't know what he looks like.

Joe Rogan 1:57:14 Jason Sta- Statham could probably nail it.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:16 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:57:16 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:16 Well, then there it is.

Joe Rogan 1:57:17 He's perfect.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:18 It's cast already.

Joe Rogan 1:57:19 Yeah. I mean-

Scott Eastwood 1:57:19 That's definitely a Guy Ritchie movie

Joe Rogan 1:57:19 ... he doesn't have the hair for it, but, because Lee Murray had a full head of hair.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:22 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:57:23 But it do- doesn't matter.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:23 'Cause it's been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did a true crime docuseries called The Diamond Heist instead.

Joe Rogan 1:57:30 Mm.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:30 Which is, like, a similar story, but it's not the same story at all.

Joe Rogan 1:57:32 Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world-class MMA fighter-

Scott Eastwood 1:57:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:57:40 ... who was also a robber, like a high-level-

Scott Eastwood 1:57:44 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:57:44 ... bank robber.

Scott Eastwood 1:57:45 Seems like they ... I mean, you s- don't steal, like, $90 million without-

Joe Rogan 1:57:49 Do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it, and they look nuts. Well, I mean, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they had-

Scott Eastwood 1:57:59 It might, it might be

Joe Rogan 1:57:59 ... fucking masks on, everything, the whole deal. It's just that, when you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that is right up Guy Ritchie's alley. He's ... Like, that show Mob Land, God, that show's so good.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:13 It's good. It's good.

Joe Rogan 1:58:14 It's so good.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:15 It's good.

Joe Rogan 1:58:16 It's so good. It's so, like ... It's like a movie that's, like, seven hours long-

Scott Eastwood 1:58:21 I know

Joe Rogan 1:58:21 ... or however many episodes there are.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:23 It's great. It really is great.

Joe Rogan 1:58:26 Who, is he your fa- who's ... Do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with?

Scott Eastwood 1:58:29 He's, he's gotta be up. I mean, he's ... Yeah. If, if him... Ah, I gotta, you know, I gotta work with Oliver Stone.

Joe Rogan 1:58:37 Oh, that's awesome.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:39 Which is, like, you know, like sitting with the devil. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:58:44 [laughs] Iconic.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:45 Man. Uh, George Tillman Jr. is a great director. I don't know if you remember that movie, uh, Men of Honor.

Joe Rogan 1:58:51 Yes.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:51 Remember, with Cuba Gooding Jr.-

Joe Rogan 1:58:52 Uh-huh

Scott Eastwood 1:58:53 ... director.

Joe Rogan 1:58:53 Sure.

Scott Eastwood 1:58:54 He's a great director. Um, there's a lot of ... There, there's, I've, I've gotten to, you know, work with some really cool ... David Ayer's really interesting. Um, that guy's a tough ... He, I don't know if you know his story, but he was, he's had a really dark past. But he, he was essentially, he lived on a submarine for, like, two years, like, underwater.

Joe Rogan 1:59:13 Whoa.

Scott Eastwood 1:59:13 Like, yeah, he's ... I'm like, "You got some screws loose if you lived on a submarine for two years."

Joe Rogan 1:59:18 Underwater for two years will fuck you up for 200 years.

Scott Eastwood 1:59:22 [laughs] I know. Dude, he's-

Joe Rogan 1:59:23 I'm like, I'm just thinking about getting, how, how claustrophobic you could get. Like, "I gotta get out of this fucking thing. Get me out."

Scott Eastwood 1:59:28 Yeah. Dude, you, you're squashing that part of your brain way too long.

Joe Rogan 1:59:32 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 1:59:32 I could do that for a hour.

Joe Rogan 1:59:34 Ooh, I don't even know if I'd wa-

Scott Eastwood 1:59:35 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:59:35 I don't even know if I'd wanna get in a submarine after I watched the, um, the tin can, they just exploded.

Scott Eastwood 1:59:40 Oh, those people?

Joe Rogan 1:59:41 Oh.

Scott Eastwood 1:59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59:42 I was like, "Oh, that's not wise doing that thing."

Scott Eastwood 1:59:44 Dude, when you watch the recreations of what must have happened to them, they were just liquified instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark.

Joe Rogan 1:59:53 Quick.

Scott Eastwood 1:59:54 Just like that.

Joe Rogan 1:59:54 Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like, "You got in that stupid tin can?"

Scott Eastwood 1:59:58 Oh, yeah. You're a billionaire idiot, even worse.

Joe Rogan 2:00:00 I don't, I can't go down like that.

Scott Eastwood 2:00:01 Think about all these fucking people that would love to have a, just a piece of your money so they could go have a margarita on your beach somewhere.

Joe Rogan 2:00:07 And you're like, "I wanna go in a tin can. It's gonna be great."

Scott Eastwood 2:00:09 "I'm gonna go to the bottom of the ocean and tell everybody I looked through a tiny window."

Joe Rogan 2:00:13 [laughs] Like, fuck you. Well, I had, you know, I had a conversation with Cameron, and C- Cameron went, James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean by himself.

Scott Eastwood 2:00:24 No, no. That's not ... There's so, so much wrong with that. I'd be like, no.

Joe Rogan 2:00:27 Even the bottom of the Mariana Trench, right?

Scott Eastwood 2:00:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00:30 Like, I think he's the, he holds the world record for, like, single piloted submarine vehicle, the, the deepest depths, like.

Scott Eastwood 2:00:38 No. And I also, I feel the same way about space. You know, I'm like, I'm a big Musk fan, but I don't ha- have any desire, bro, to go to Mars-

Joe Rogan 2:00:46 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 2:00:46 ... or go to space. Everything's-

Joe Rogan 2:00:48 Have fun out there, bro.

Scott Eastwood 2:00:48 Have fun. You do that.

Joe Rogan 2:00:50 Have fun. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:00:50 Okay? I'm all good here on this planet.

Joe Rogan 2:00:54 It must be awesome to be just ... I, I, I would like to be in Earth's orbit once, just to look down. I bet it's nuts.

Scott Eastwood 2:01:00 To see the, like, the, the, the full Earth.

Joe Rogan 2:01:02 Well, you-

Scott Eastwood 2:01:02 That'd be cool

Joe Rogan 2:01:03 ... they say you have that experience, like, the, all these different astronauts have talked about it. It's the overview effect that you, when you're above Earth looking down on it, it just, you're like, "Oh my God, we're so fragile. It's all just us together. We have to stop. We have to stop all this..." Like, you have this re-

Scott Eastwood 2:01:19 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:01:19 ... realization of what we really are and what we're really doing, and how stupid tribal conflicts are and-

Scott Eastwood 2:01:24 Like, w- world, I mean, yeah, world, w- world war.

Joe Rogan 2:01:28 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:01:28 This, this, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:01:30 Yeah

Scott Eastwood 2:01:30 ... these ki- we just keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually. It's, it's, it's sad 'cause eventually it'll probably happen again, a world war. I mean, that's the, like, if you look at the math.

Joe Rogan 2:01:41 It's kind of happening right now.

Scott Eastwood 2:01:43 It's like, "What's going on, man? Are we gonna keep doing this? I guess. That's what we do."

Joe Rogan 2:01:48 Yeah, it's very disturbing. When you're playing, um, a, a character in, um, a period piece like that-

Scott Eastwood 2:01:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:01:56 ... what, what do you have to do in terms of, like, make sure you're behaving like they behaved and talking like they talked? Like, did you have to watch film of those old people and ...

Scott Eastwood 2:02:07 Yeah, you ta- you, you talk to a lot of people. In this case, this, this movie, um, uh, you know, was about ... Jeez, uh, the guys are all, you know, almost all passed away at this point. But I luckily got, um, got to meet a lot of veterans, because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet ... these folks and talk to them and, um, hear their stories, uh, see like sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories. And you realize, um, you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II, you know, so many people that did so many things that affect like our way of life, I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life. I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And, um, so you carry like that weight with you. Um, it's, it, it can be... If it's a real, if it's, you know, you know the person, you can watch tape on them, then you get a, you get that like luxury. But if you don't, then, you know, it's just, I think it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be as true as you can to that. It's, it, it comes with a cost doing, doing these movies because not only you go and, and make them, but then you go and promote them, and you meet these people. I met, uh, one of the oldest living veterans the other night at, um, at the Washington Archives in DC, 107 years old.

Joe Rogan 2:03:35 Whoa.

Scott Eastwood 2:03:36 Colonel Stern. And got to hold his hand, you know, and, and really quite clear, still headed, like, I mean, he, like shockingly, when he spoke to me, I was like, "Oh my gosh." But you could feel that generation, that you could feel that, what he had been through. And he, he was, he was actually at the Battle of the Bulge.

Joe Rogan 2:03:57 Whoa.

Scott Eastwood 2:03:57 And you're like, "Oh." And then to have, have him tell us like we got it right, and that's what af- like, you know, like brought me to tears. I was like, I was like kinda like, I was shook. But so moments like that, it comes, you know, it's like, wow, this is, this is a great responsibility to tell this story.

Joe Rogan 2:04:14 I can imagine having a conversation with 107-year-old guy who's been through war, and the war was what? How many years ago?

Scott Eastwood 2:04:22 1942.

Joe Rogan 2:04:23 What is that? How many years ago is that?

Scott Eastwood 2:04:26 Um, so he would probably would've been 20. Yeah, so right. He would've been like -

Joe Rogan 2:04:30 84.

Scott Eastwood 2:04:31 Yeah, something like that.

Joe Rogan 2:04:32 84 years ago.

Scott Eastwood 2:04:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:04:34 And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're 107 years old, and your life is kind of defined by something that happened 84 years ago.

Scott Eastwood 2:04:48 Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's wild what they went through.

Joe Rogan 2:04:53 Wild.

Scott Eastwood 2:04:53 I mean, wild. I mean, imagine, I mean, if they're like, "Hey, pack up, Joe, Scott."

Joe Rogan 2:04:57 Right.

Scott Eastwood 2:04:57 Like, "We're, we're going to wherever it is," like, I don't know, wherever. "We're going right now."

Joe Rogan 2:05:04 Poland. Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:05:04 "And we're gonna have to kill people."

Joe Rogan 2:05:07 And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting? Like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast?

Scott Eastwood 2:05:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:12 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:05:13 Um, what did you read, show?

Speaker 2:05:14 Just, um, the guy you met.

Joe Rogan 2:05:16 A battalion commander during World War II, Stern. His name was, uh, Senator Radcliffe.

Scott Eastwood 2:05:22 No.

Joe Rogan 2:05:22 What is his name? Herbert Irving Stern.

Scott Eastwood 2:05:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:25 That's his name. Um, so it says a battalion commander during World War II. Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions. In April 1945, while driving through Germany, Stern and his men discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women. They liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners, and destroyed the facility. Wow.

Scott Eastwood 2:05:47 Isn't that amazing?

Joe Rogan 2:05:48 Wow.

Scott Eastwood 2:05:48 Like we have to celebrate these people, you know? Like it's, it's -

Joe Rogan 2:05:51 Like can you imagine you're overseas, you're, you're, you're a kid, it's 1945, and you, you liberated a camp of 3,000 Jewish women-

Scott Eastwood 2:06:02 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:06:02 ... that are being imprisoned.

Scott Eastwood 2:06:03 Yeah, it gives me chills just thinking about it.

Joe Rogan 2:06:04 Holy shit, man.

Speaker 2:06:06 Yeah, he would've been like, yeah, 35 years old, 34 years old.

Joe Rogan 2:06:11 You imagine if you could see what that guy's seen?

Scott Eastwood 2:06:14 I mean, I, yeah, I don't know if we want to. I mean, that would change your whole, change your whole world, like look on the world, man.

Joe Rogan 2:06:21 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:06:21 I mean...

Joe Rogan 2:06:21 But you have to think that way, right? When you're, when you're playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that? Like what is that like?

Scott Eastwood 2:06:30 It just, it comes with, like I said, it comes with a cost. You, you go through an emotional journey. You, you pay a price. You have to lend your own emotion and own grief, whatever that is in your life, and you have to kinda relive some of that. And it's, it's part of, you know, going through what it would've been like to, to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose your best friend right beside you, to lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women that are, you know, probably skin and bones and... Like it's just, you know, makes you just so, it makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at.

Joe Rogan 2:07:14 It's also, it's the human's capacity for evil. When you're faced with it like that, it's, it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that, and that they still are.

Scott Eastwood 2:07:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:25 That they're still, I mean, to this day, right, right now, somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people.

Scott Eastwood 2:07:32 I know.

Joe Rogan 2:07:32 You know?

Scott Eastwood 2:07:32 It's, um, yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal to think how savage we can become. Like it, it's, and it's crazy 'cause like you think about it, it's like we're not far off. You take water away for 72 hours, and we're dead.

Joe Rogan 2:07:48 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:07:48 So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other if we don't have basic needs?

Joe Rogan 2:07:55 Oh, yeah, the civilization's a very thin veneer.

Scott Eastwood 2:07:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:59 It's very thin, and it's very vulnerable, and I, I think most people are delusional, and they're very well fed, very well fed and rested, and-

Scott Eastwood 2:08:08 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:08:09 ... they don't have any idea how precarious this thing that we exist in is. And I think when you're... Like I would imagine when you're doing a World War II film or something like that, like you're forced to realize, you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition, that sometimes, I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. When you think about the history of the world, really you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests. It's like the m- most of what we talk about when we talk about history, you know? We talk about the various wars and what happened, what was the result, and who was the king, and who did this.

Scott Eastwood 2:08:49 What was it over?

Joe Rogan 2:08:50 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:08:50 Greed.

Joe Rogan 2:08:51 Uh-huh.

Scott Eastwood 2:08:51 Resources. This war was, is really, I think, I think why it's so fascinating, why World War II is still so fascinating is because there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really.

Joe Rogan 2:09:04 Right.

Scott Eastwood 2:09:05 Like, what they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying, you know? They were exterminating innocent people, and we came together as a world, you know, a coalition, and fought that evil, and that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, "Why are we here?" Or-

Joe Rogan 2:09:25 Right

Scott Eastwood 2:09:25 ... you know, you're questioning what, what... Is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to save people.

Joe Rogan 2:09:34 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:09:34 And that is, that's very different.

Joe Rogan 2:09:37 Yeah, we think of that as our last great war. That is the, the... World War II, in most people's eyes, is the last just war.

Scott Eastwood 2:09:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:09:45 You know, we think it, it... It's like that's the one that needed to be done. 'Cause it wasn't just evil people, it was evil people on meth, which is really crazy. When you, when we... I didn't know that until, like, a decade or two ago.

Scott Eastwood 2:09:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:09:58 That, that they were all on meth. And then we had, uh, Norman Ohler, he wrote, um, uh- Blitzed ... how do I say his last name? Ohler. Ohler, yeah. Ohler. Uh, he wrote this book, Blitzed, and it's all about the blitzkrieg-

Scott Eastwood 2:10:11 Mm

Joe Rogan 2:10:11 ... when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Poland-

Scott Eastwood 2:10:15 Sure

Joe Rogan 2:10:15 ... in, like, three days.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:16 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:10:16 And it was all meth.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10:18 They just gave them meth.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:19 Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war, right?

Joe Rogan 2:10:20 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:21 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10:21 They had, like, 35 million doses of meth. [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 2:10:24 That's nuts, man. That is nuts.

Joe Rogan 2:10:26 And they gave the guys at the front of the lines the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like, "You guys get the most meth."

Scott Eastwood 2:10:32 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:10:32 They wanted them just methed up.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:34 Just cracked up.

Joe Rogan 2:10:35 Just driving for three days, killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine. So, like, they're all chilling and ha- And like, they got, just got fucked up, man.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:10:45 It's just, it's not that long ago, and that's what's really scary.

Scott Eastwood 2:10:50 It is. It's super scary. Also, what's, um, what was crazy about, um, this movie and, and, uh, you know, I just, I learn something new every time I do a, a war movie. Um, I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America, like liv- Had a life here, and when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany.

Joe Rogan 2:11:14 Whoa.

Scott Eastwood 2:11:15 Can you imagine that?

Joe Rogan 2:11:16 How many?

Scott Eastwood 2:11:17 Like, like thousands.

Joe Rogan 2:11:19 Whoa. I didn't know that.

Scott Eastwood 2:11:20 That went back and, like, you know... And then they were spies, and they were, they s- A lot of them spoke English. A lot of... Had the American culture, you know? They understood, and they became, like, spies, and it was like, can you imagine doing that?

Joe Rogan 2:11:35 Fuck. Fuck.

Scott Eastwood 2:11:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:39 Can you imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany?

Scott Eastwood 2:11:43 What? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:11:46 Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Settle down.

Scott Eastwood 2:11:48 Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold the phone on.

Joe Rogan 2:11:49 Don't you know this spot is better? [laughs]

Scott Eastwood 2:11:53 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:11:53 You should be fighting for this, you fucking dumbass.

Scott Eastwood 2:11:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:56 Yeah. The, the people that are willing to do that, like, that's a, that's a different kind of brainwashing.

Scott Eastwood 2:12:04 Yeah. I mean, uh, um, you know, it makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays, like... And you kinda think like, oh, like... You know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff, and I'm not, I'm not a lot, but I do see... You know, we were talking about it today, it's like how strong is the government to like brainwash, you know, the MKUltra stuff. Like the-

Joe Rogan 2:12:27 Mm-hmm

Scott Eastwood 2:12:27 ... stuff where it's like you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do, kill somebody, whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:12:34 Yeah.

Scott Eastwood 2:12:35 That's, like, really terrifying.

Joe Rogan 2:12:37 Yeah, that's real too.

Scott Eastwood 2:12:37 You think you're your own thoughts and emotions, but-

Joe Rogan 2:12:40 Also, if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose. You give them a direction.

Scott Eastwood 2:12:51 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:12:51 You, you can... I mean, they've done it before. It's not... They didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that.

Scott Eastwood 2:12:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:13:00 If I had to guess. By some organization. I'm not saying it's, uh, the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction. Someone. It just... To, the... His background is too squeaky clean after it's over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives were gone. All of his computers were gone. He had more than one cellphone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid, and had no social media profile. The whole thing was fucked.

Scott Eastwood 2:13:40 Can you explain to me the, the, the theories going on with, like, the Charlie Kirk of it all? Because I know there's... I've heard a lot of, like, stuff, and a lot of smart people that I, like, respect are like, "There's something going on with that, that we don't know the full-"

Joe Rogan 2:13:54 Well, there's something going on-

Scott Eastwood 2:13:55 "... extent."

Joe Rogan 2:13:55 ... with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together again. Like, the whole thing makes no sense. They, they, I think they have footage of him and a backpack. So, but a backpack doesn't carry a gun, and so the, the excuse was, oh, he dismantled the gun then reconnected it. Well, that doesn't fly. So the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take... You gotta put it all back together again. You might not be on anymore, so you're gonna have to l- you're gonna have to sight that gun in, right?

Scott Eastwood 2:14:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:14:34 And if you sight that gun in, you, you're gonna wanna have targets to, to practice on. You're not just gonna take 140-yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk not knowing if your sight is on, 'cause you... I, I, I was, uh, hunting once and I fell with my rifle. And, uh, we went back to the range to test it, and it was off on a... So when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger.

Speaker 2:15:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:00 So it's just to, um, to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by six inches at 100 yards just by moving from a fall, you know? And so you have to check that, and then you have to sight the gun back in. You take a- you just take the scope off, and then you put it back on and screw it back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's gonna be accurate.

Speaker 2:15:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:15:22 And this kid's-

Speaker 2:15:23 Well-

Joe Rogan 2:15:23 ... not like a marksman. He's, it's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is s- it's gro- the whole thing sounds gross. The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is, where the, you know, he's saying how he did it or he's gonna do it, they seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified, the footage that was in a yogurt shop that was, like, 20 minutes later? The guy, the guy's just chilling at a, some fucking frozen yogurt store.

Speaker 2:15:56 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:15:56 That seems weird.

Speaker 2:15:57 What about the stuff with, like, the, the people that were, like, right around the shooting and stuff, and, like, is there, like, some weird... Is that, like, a-

Joe Rogan 2:16:04 Well, there's a lot of people that think that some of them, that someone, some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of-

Speaker 2:16:12 Bullshit

Joe Rogan 2:16:12 ... seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If, if I was standing there and I went like this, and at that moment someone got shot.

Speaker 2:16:23 Okay. Now we're-

Joe Rogan 2:16:23 Is that a coincidence?

Speaker 2:16:23 Now we're making a mountain out of a mu-

Joe Rogan 2:16:25 Yeah

Speaker 2:16:25 ... yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 2:16:25 Or if you-

Speaker 2:16:26 People are, yeah

Joe Rogan 2:16:26 ... look at your watch at a certain point and that, and that person gets shot. Like-

Speaker 2:16:29 Sure

Joe Rogan 2:16:29 ... a lot of movement's going on. You could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So i- a 30-06-

Speaker 2:16:41 It's like an exit wound versus an, like... Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:16:42 Well, it doesn't, it's not a big enough hole. 30-06 is a big rifle round, and to shoot a guy in the neck with a 30-06, you would expect, first of all, you'd expect an exit wound, and there's no exit wound. It just goes in, and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kinda hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a, that's a round that you would shoot an elk with.

Speaker 2:17:12 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:17:13 It's a big round. And then there's a video footage of him from the back, and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So it just goes in his neck and stops?

Speaker 2:17:23 Yeah, the details about him being at Dairy Queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but they don't know which one, and the one they thought he was at closed down weirdly a couple of weeks afterwards.

Joe Rogan 2:17:32 Okay, but he was, there is footage of him at a Dairy Queen.

Speaker 2:17:35 Yeah, they're just which one it was and when it was is-

Joe Rogan 2:17:37 Okay. Either way

Speaker 2:17:38 ... kind of disputed, but.

Joe Rogan 2:17:39 After you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you really go to a fucking Dairy Queen like this?

Speaker 2:17:43 It might've been before-

Joe Rogan 2:17:44 Well-

Speaker 2:17:44 ... they're saying too

Joe Rogan 2:17:45 Oh, could've been-

Speaker 2:17:45 Maybe he was-

Joe Rogan 2:17:46 Right before you go to-

Speaker 2:17:47 Maybe he was trying to, like-

Joe Rogan 2:17:47 ... shoot Charlie Kirk-

Speaker 2:17:48 ... get an alibi

Joe Rogan 2:17:48 ... wanna get one of them Blizzards. You know, them Blizzards got a lot of caffeine in it. Um, I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. Um, there's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't know what they're saying now.

Speaker 2:18:07 He hasn't even... There was an update as of June 12th in a hearing, and, and this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet.

Joe Rogan 2:18:15 That's crazy. "Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plea." How is, how... That happened in September.

Speaker 2:18:24 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 2:18:24 How has he not yet entered a plea?

Speaker 2:18:26 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 2:18:27 Is that, like, one of the things they're doing to-

Speaker 2:18:28 This is, they're going over details about trying to-

Joe Rogan 2:18:29 Keep you in, keep you in limbo

Speaker 2:18:31 ... the, the-

Joe Rogan 2:18:32 Kinda?

Speaker 2:18:32 ... prosecution going, uh, in public talking about the, uh, the bullet fragment found and-

Joe Rogan 2:18:39 Hmm

Speaker 2:18:39 ... the defense is saying they shouldn't have done that, and there's a whole back and forth about that.

Joe Rogan 2:18:42 Hmm. I don't know.

Speaker 2:18:44 I don't, I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure, like you said, there's some bullshit where people are gonna go, "Ah, yeah, see, look." And you're like-

Joe Rogan 2:18:51 Well-

Speaker 2:18:52 ... "Okay, come on"

Joe Rogan 2:18:52 ... Tucker Carlson was just talking about it, and he thinks that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk. And then a lot of people are saying that's ridiculous, and then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover, and how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence? I don't know. Um, but he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was gonna get out of the Israel-supporting business.

Speaker 2:19:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:19:17 I don't know what that means. You know? I don't-

Speaker 2:19:19 Okay

Joe Rogan 2:19:19 ... because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu. He's expressing his support for Israel and so, is that real? I don't know. Uh, we don't-

Speaker 2:19:28 It's so weird these days to just un, dis-

Joe Rogan 2:19:30 Nothing is 100% real.

Speaker 2:19:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:33 If you, if it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of it's bullshit.

Speaker 2:19:39 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 2:19:39 And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man, or a trans woman rather, and so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that? Really?

Speaker 2:19:53 Do you think, like, younger people, though, have, like, a bigger distrust in the media, I feel like now? I feel like that's-

Joe Rogan 2:20:00 Oh, for sure

Speaker 2:20:00 ... it's changing, so it's-

Joe Rogan 2:20:01 Yeah

Speaker 2:20:01 ... maybe for the best.

Joe Rogan 2:20:02 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:20:03 Right?

Joe Rogan 2:20:03 But I mean, this isn't even the media. This is the government. You know, this is the official position. Like, they paved over the, the crime scene, like, within days afterwards.

Speaker 2:20:13 That's weird.

Joe Rogan 2:20:13 Yeah, but there's a lot of weird shit, man.

Speaker 2:20:16 Oh, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 2:20:16 The Thomas Crooks thing. They, they, um, cremated him within days after he was killed, you know? Where's the toxicology examination? Where's the, where's the results? I wanna know what kind of psych medication this fucking kid was on. Like, what was he doing? Like, what was happening?

Speaker 2:20:30 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:20:30 Why did he shoot at the president? Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like, what the fuck is going on? And, you know, we don't ever get told, you know? This Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man. It's weird. Just the gun itself alone. I've heard var- varying depictions. Getting on that fucking roof with a gun, going through the stairwell with a gun. He doesn't have the gun, so did he get the gun up there already? So they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not. It doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe the, the stock, maybe the barrel's in his legs. He taped it to his pants. Fuck off. Fuck off. You can't put a gun back together again and make it that accurate. So I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it, and then put it back together again in the woods. Is that what they're saying?

Scott Eastwood 2:21:13 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:21:14 I don't know if that's exactly what they're... That's some version of it.

Scott Eastwood 2:21:16 Some, yeah

Joe Rogan 2:21:17 But any version of it, where this guy,