Joe Rogan Experience #2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

Tony Hinchcliffe is a comedian, writer, actor, and host of the podcast and live show “Kill Tony.” His new special, "Man of the People," is now streaming on Netflix. https://www.youtube.com/@killtony https://tonyhinchcliffe.komi.io https://www.tonyhinchcliffe.com

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Jul 2, 20262h 48mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 0:02
Intro
1. SPSpeaker
  [upbeat music]
0:02 – 5:11
Global chaos vs. tech obsession: semiconductor chips and the ‘most important machine’
1. SPSpeaker
  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. SPSpeaker
  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  What's up?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Hey, what's going on?
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  What's up, brother?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  What's happening?
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Chaos, I love it.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Everything.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. The world's crazy.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  The center of the storm.
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, my God.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I think, I think the world's back at war today again, like officially, right?
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Wow, I don't know.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think that agreement with Iran lasted at all.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Which one?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  I think there's... There was bombings today in Lebanon, and I think there's bombings today in American bases. [sighs] I try to not pay attention, dude. I really do.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  I try to distract myself with, uh, science stuff and space.
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, I was watching this documentary yesterday on how they make chips. Like, how they make, like, semiconductor chips. Dude, this fucking machine that they use, I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, 'cause it's bananas. It's, like, one of the most complex machines in the world, and this, this machine they use to make semiconductors, make chips, and they were explaining the process of making these chips, how fucking nuts it is, man. The, the amount of atoms that are stacked on and, like, the way they do it to make these, like, super complex, high-end chips. There's people out there, Tony, that are doing things way different than us.
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs] Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay? We're, we're out there-
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Sounds like it [laughs]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... talking about sucking dicks and-
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs]
27. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] People shitting themselves and what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction. Like, they're, they're actually doing science fiction. Oh, here it is. Give me a second. I, uh, like to save things. Here it is. The world's most important machine.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It's... It's an hour long?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes. Did you find it?
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, I just... It's an hour long.
5:11 – 7:10
How fragile modern civilization is without deep specialization
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, yeah. Uh, I mean, imagine if everybody died, and it was just us in this room, and there was, like, three, like... Well, it'd be more than that. We'd have to have more people, otherwise we're gonna fuck up the gene pool. We're all gonna look like the English royals.
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs]
3. JRJoe Rogan
  We need, we probably need a few thousand people. You need a few thousand people, like regular people, like you and I that don't know shit about how these things work.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  How much time would we need if we repopulated the Earth with what y- we know? Basically, you're starting out, like, a fucking, like, a half-assed prepper. You know? Like, someone who's on an episode of Lost.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? Like, a, one of those plane crash people trying to figure out how to survive out there. You're fucked.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You're not inventing that.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Uh-uh.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  How long is it gonna take?
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Infinity.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And how many people have to pave the way? This is the thing. For every one of these people that makes, uh, an invention like this, th- you're making this on the back of thousands and thousands and thousands of fucking super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way that can lead you to thinking Is this possible that we could do this next? You know, they all build on each other. So you need all these guys, and hopefully they don't get any pussy.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs]
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Because otherwise they're gonna get distracted.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? I bet if one of them gets a hot wife, like one of their patents kicks-
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they, they start making bank, and then all of a sudden he shows up for work in a Ferrari, and next you know he's got a hot wife. Everybody's like, "Oh, my God."
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. Civilization just went back-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... 100, 200 years.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  We're gonna lose Tim.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. [laughs]
25. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] Tim's, Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18 hours a day, trying to figure out how to get us to Mars. Actually, that's a bad point, because Elon clearly gets pussy and doesn't seem to be affecting him at all.
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I think Elon's different.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  He's definitely different.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean-
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I mean, some people are different, different, different
7:10 – 9:41
USAID, charity skepticism, and the business of virtue
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Instead of just looking at this like, "Wow, this is an extraordinary time to be alive." But it's because of this narrative that people have. Uh, one of them, the big one, is this USAID is killing people narrative, that people have died because of USAID. And then a bunch of people have given examples of how, uh, them cutting the funding has led to the end of certain people's lives, like where they were in hospitals that didn't have any funding, and there's a lot of that that you could point to say, right, if they had the money, they would've had the funding and they would've had that equipment in place, or maybe they wouldn't have. But here's the other thing: That's not discounting the fact that a lot of that money is fraud.
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  A lot of it.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Wow.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, it's not a little amount. And the idea that you should let it go on because it's gonna save lives, and there's a bunch of people that are stealing money, okay, I see that argument. But w- why are we sending them money in the first place? Like w- what, what's... Did we f- do something to them? Do we owe them money? No?
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, we're just being nice? Are you sure we're just being nice? Is there anybody profiting of us, off of us being nice?
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause usually just being nice for no reason and just giving tax money away for no reason, I don't think they do that. I don't think that's real. I used to think that was real. I used to think that charity was real. And now I look and I go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in a nice cozy blanket of being kind and compassionate and virtuous and doing good things for people all around the world." I think a lot of people get involved in those things because that's what they think. We're gonna do good things around the world, and they're good people. I really believe that. And then they find out how it really works, and then they get stuck in that system, and then they're making their way up their, you know, air quotes, corporate ladder, to the point where some of them are making a million dollars a year. And you're like, "What is this?"
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What is this? This is a business. This isn't really charity. Most of the money is going to your employees and your overhead and your... Why do you have such a big building? [laughs] Like, what are you doing?
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right. It's a bu-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Why, how come you're not just funneling the money to these people?
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Exactly.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Would... Like at the LA Fire Aid.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Great example. Spencer Pratt told me, how many, what number did he say of nonprofits got that money? So over $100 million gets raised. I don't know the exact total. Uh, all of it goes to these different nonprofits. I think he said 200 different nonprofits got the money.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  So, and then what happens to that? Well, they just pay their employees. They pay overhead. They pay their rent on fucking nice office on wherever they live.
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm.
9:41 – 12:39
Rap music, culture engineering, and the ‘mumble rap’ backlash
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Fuck, man. It's so disheartening, because you, you've... So that's what all that stuff is. And it's also, if you listen to wa- when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a few times and explains USAID, uh, people think of it as aid. You think of it as, oh, we're helping the world, which is great, right? But it's not that. It's the Agency for International Development, and it involves funding rap bands overseas that are, uh, the, the subversive rap bands that are supposed to, uh, excite people to take over the government. There's like a bunch of like weird shit. Funds rebels. It, it funds newspapers. And what was he talking about? Like the, there was a lot of it, like funding rap music. Like this is crazy. People have long said that rap music... Even though, listen, you love hip hop. I know you just got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge hip hop fan.
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  We gotta talk about that at some point.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  We definitely do. I love hip hop. Um, but there's some people that believe that gangsta rap in particular, when it came about in the 1980s, was a part of a, the push to popularize it and produce it was a, a part of the government, some faction of the government, some faction, some intelligence agencies wanting to create more crime, wanting to fill more private prisons, wanting to erode the fabric of society so they could push for more laws to keep you safer. This is like the, one of the most tinfoily of tinfoil hat conspiracies. But people are pointing out that right now is like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And they're saying, "Well, how does this coincide with USAID?" Was USAID like actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was so pos- popu- popular? Is that real? That can't be real.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Maybe back in the day. It seems like that would be more manipulative. I, I don't see how-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I believed that until I heard mumble rap, and I'm like, "This makes-"
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs]
9. JRJoe Rogan
  "This is not real. This is trying to make people stupid."
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  There's, there's something about this, you know?
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  S- and obviously some artists are better at it than oth- some of them are fun the way they do it. But I'm saying there's a giant chunk of them that are inaudible.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  You don't know what they're... Like, who's, who's into this?
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, m- almost all of them are inaudible. Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, what, what's going on there? Imagine if like that was it, it was like, uh, people heard Nas and like, "This guy's too smart. Uh, we gotta dumb it down a little."
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  "We gotta promote some people that can barely talk."
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  "We gotta c- promote some people that are on cough syrup," apparently.
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a ... Have you ever done that cough, cough syrup?
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  No.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  They seem to love it.
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  A lot of dudes who are into that, that cough syrup, man, they, they swear by it.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It's crazy.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It's gotta be fun. It's gotta be enjoyable.
12:39 – 17:29
NyQuil nostalgia, opioids, and the allure of feeling ‘too good’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Bro, we talked about this before, but I remember, um, back in the '90s, I got ahold of some NyQuil, the real NyQuil. Like, I guess they changed the formula for NyQuil, and, uh, I had, you know, whatever, the flu or something, and I took some NyQuil and I was laying in bed and I was like, "This is wonderful."
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  It was wonderful. Like, the, just the warmth, the softness of the pillows and the warmth of the bed with the covers over me. I'm like, "Oh, this is wonderful."
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And I remember thinking, "Ooh, this is dangerous."
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, this is a dangerous feeling because if your life was shit and you found that, like, that's better than anything else that's happening in your life.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And it's ... You can get it at CVS.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Crazy. Crazy.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What was in the old NyQuil before they switched it?
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm afraid of medicine.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  So this stuff probably was, like, sitting in my house if I took it, so it might've even been older than '97 or '98, whenever this was that I was sick. But I'll never forget it, 'cause then I never forget, like, getting scared. Like, "I could love this. Like, I could just drink this during the day and just, like, sit on my back porch if I have the day off."
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  "Just get obliterated with NyQuil and just enjoy the universe." [laughs]
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, I told you about that time I took a half of the pain pill that the dentist gave me for my wisdom tooth. I was like, "Oh, fuck. This is life-changing."
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It says the earliest NyQuil formula include ephedrine, which is a decongestant, doxym- dox- doxylamine succinate, which is an antihistamine, acetaminophen, dextrometh- methorphan, cough suppressant, and about 25% alcohol.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I was getting drunk, too.
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow. Um, what changed? In the mid-2000s after the Combat Methamphetamine Act, there it is. [laughs] They removed pseudoephedrine. So was that the stuff? So it wasn't codeine, but is there an ... I think there is NyQuil with codeine, though, right?
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Man, I don't know.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  What I had was pretty good. I don't think it was as simple.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, you had the stuff they could make meth out of or whatever.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Okay, we'll put it in Perplexity, and Perplexity says in the mid-20- yeah, NyQuil brands sold in the US do not contain codeine, and there's never been a standard Vicks NyQuil with codeine in its active ingredient lineup. Typical NyQuil form- So codeine ... So does any cough syrup have codeine in it?
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That's what lean is, so you're just talking about-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  They add it?
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  No.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Or is it just prescription cough syrup?
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It's prescription. That, that was the whole thing about it.
17:29 – 22:53
Dentistry horror stories: root canals, water flossers, and sugar as the real villain
1. THTony Hinchcliffe
  The closest I come to that, [clears throat] 'cause I've never had, like, a serious surgery or anything, but I go to this, uh, they have a dental office here in Austin called the Austin Dental Spa. So their whole thing is, like, a luxurious [laughs] dental experience.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
3. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And they will hook you up to laughing gas, and they let you, like, if they're like, they're like, "You want a little more?" And I'm like, "Okay, yeah."
4. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
5. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And that's, like, the closest I get to it is once every six months or so I go there, and dude-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... I'm always excited about this fucking experience. It is so awesome.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you ever come up with bits after doing laughing gas?
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  No, but-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Does it give you any ideas?
11. THTony Hinchcliffe
  No, but during the thing, it makes me weirdly honest. You ever seen in Kill Bill when he shoots her in the knee with the honest gun 'cause he was a chemist for, like, a living-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... as, like, his secret job? So he comes up with this truth serum, and I've noticed that it makes me, like, weirdly very honest.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  So one time when I was in the dental office, the guy's doing whatever And I'm like ... And I'm jacked on laughing gas, 'cause it's not really-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  You're not really, like, cracking up. You're just, like, in heaven, and you're like ... It's kind of smiling ear to ear. And I remember going, like, "How long did you go to school for dental school?" And he's like, whatever the answer is, like, eight years. And I'm like, "Did you ever think about going longer and becoming a real doctor?"
18. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And then I, and I realized, like, kind of in the moment, even though I was fucked up-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
21. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... like, that's, that sounds mean. But I think they're totally used to it. I think they know that laughing gas makes people fucking-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I bet they're not used to that, dude. That's so mean.
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs] Yeah, that's supposed to ... It w- that's what I'm saying, is it's like a dangerous-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  A real doctor
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... a dangerous truth serum.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Some people wanna be dentists.
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  We need them too.
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
22:53 – 26:37
Hawaii fruit, traveling for ‘real’ food, and the weirdness of going home
1. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Crazy. My buddy that I, uh, went to school with just flew in from Hawaii, whi- which is where he's lived for, like, 20 years. He's like a, he's like a wilderness guy. Climbs trees and cuts down his own pineapples and coconuts and stuff all the time.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
3. THTony Hinchcliffe
  He's, he's got a great life. And, um, he, uh, he checked a bag this trip just a few days ago, um, and he brought it to the mothership, 'cause that's where we met up, and he surprised me with this checked bag that was, like, that had the moldings built in and everything, and had four coconuts-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
5. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... and two white Hawaiian pineapples, I think they're called, which, like, run, like, $65 each or something in the US. Like, it's impossible to get. And, um, according to him. I don't know. Uh, he's a real hippie-dippie type.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that the dude that you brought to the mothership?
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I remember.
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Anthony, yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Your friend from high school.
11. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Which is crazy.
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. He's the, he's the man. He's just a real dude.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  It's crazy when you know people for that long.
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, yeah.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  And so this dude is just living in Hawaii-
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
18. JRJoe Rogan
  ... living his best life.
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And I mean, holy shit, these fucking pineapple. He's like, "Dude, you're going to love this pineapple, pineapple, pineapple." He just kept going on about it. I'm like, "All right, okay." Sure enough, holy fucking shit, man. It's ... Nature can deliver you a sugar dose. 'Cause he was saying that white Hawaiian pineapples have higher sugar but much lower acidity-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm
21. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... than what we're used to, so it makes a whole different ... And since obviously it's natural sugar and this and that, it just makes a whole different type of fucking fruit. It's crazy.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm. Sounds good.
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Wild how we have to go other places to get unbelievable shit.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, of course, Hawaii.
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Hawaii really should be its own country.
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  I, listen, I love Hawaii. I'm glad they're protected by the United States. People are cool as fuck. It should be its own country. It's five hours by plane. [laughs]
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, come on, man.
26:37 – 34:40
Youngstown’s mob legacy: bombings, corruption, and no-show union jobs
1. THTony Hinchcliffe
  My buddy sent me a shirt recently, too, another one- buddy, um, that has the stats on it of us being the murder capital. I think it was 90, 91, and 96-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
3. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... per capita. Not the biggest population. But per capita, it was the most dangerous place you could be, when I was in those most developmental years [laughs] when a-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  God
5. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... kid shouldn't be having his head next to the window. Yeah, there it is. I got that shirt.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Four time defending champion [laughs] murder capital of America. [laughs]
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep. In '01, '02, that puts me as a sophomore and junior in high school. And you-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  And you-
11. THTony Hinchcliffe
  '95, '97, I'm 11, 12
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And you're being raised by your mom.
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. On the north, on the craziest q- fucking area of the whole goddamn thing, the most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngstown.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. I can't believe it. [laughs]
16. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That's why, like, every part of my fucking story, I'm like, "This is so goddamn weird." So weird.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  It is when you think about it, right? When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this Ohio city was named Crime Town, USA.
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Crime Town.
21. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I-
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  75 bombings. [laughs]
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, this was the mob days.
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  So it used to be a mob-run town, right?
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Totally. The-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  They were called Bomb Town?
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, it was ... A Youngstown tune-up is a car bomb. And-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Look at this, 75 bombings, uh, and 11 killings in a decade, and no one seems to care. [laughs]
34:40 – 37:37
Fighting out of poverty: boxing’s immigrant cycles and legendary comebacks
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you know, most of the Italians that came in the early 20th century were very poor. You know, they were all coming over here for labor jobs and things along those lines. And, um, you know, when they started doing better, they, you know, they started moving out and moving into the suburbs and moving into, you know, more gentrified areas. It's always one of the new immigrants that are gonna come and take over this area that was, like, formerly a, a low-income Italian neighborhood or a low-income Irish neighborhood. It's the same thing. Like, there's cycles, you know? It's like there's cycles in fighting, too. Like, uh, in the early 20th century, there's a lot of Jewish fighters, like Slappy Maxie Rosenbloom. You never heard of him, right?
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  No. [laughs]
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. S- some very good Jewish fighters. Um, because they were poor, and they were the, the new immigrants, you know? The, and this is, like, before World War II. And then in, and, and a- even afterwards there was some, but then you get Italians. You get a lot of Italians. You got Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano. There's a, a lot of, like, uh, Jake LaMotta. There's a lot of these, like, Italian bad motherfuckers 'cause they were poor.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And then what happened then, then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of... You know, it's always, like, who's the new immigrants?
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  And who are the h- most hungry, come from the most poverty-ridden areas? Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama. Like, not terrible, but I mean, like, very poor, very violent.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And he was one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Boom Boom Mancini was right-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... down the street.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep. Yeah. I mean, y- Youngstown's known for boxing.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. Kelly Pavlik.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Kelly Pavlik, who's been on the podcast. He's awesome.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  He was a beast, dude. Ooh.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, man. That fight with him and Jermain Taylor when-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Holy shit
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... sometimes I still re-watch the end of that to-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  How did he survive?
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... give me a burst of energy.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, how did he make it through?
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oof. Oof.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  That, that was a crazy c- I mean, he got dropped. He looked like-
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it looks like the fight was over. And then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him-
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Ooh. Body
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and you, you go, "No way."
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, yeah.
37:37 – 58:24
UFC wars, broken noses, and why wrestling is the foundation
1. JRJoe Rogan
  is better than him, like, clearly. It's like he's on another level. But this kid showed just tremendous heart. But it's like that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like, those kind of moments where a guy's getting fucked up, like, like the Gaethje-Topuria fight.
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Perfect example.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Right?
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That's when it's really a fight.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  A f- a real fight.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause Topuria was on him-
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oof
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in that second round. Oof.
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oof, man.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Oof.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  We were so close. They were in, they were-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, you could hear it
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... they, oh, you could real- you could feel it where I was, man. And, uh, you know, obviously we're always close to the cage on those things, but the... when Gae- uh, when Topuria was landing those body shots-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  [sighs]
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... it was right against our side of the fence, and I'm literally like, "Oh my..." I mean, holy fucking shit, man. And I've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before, but there's something about his close range strength in near that clinch, that close-up fucking range-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... of Ilia that is scary.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  He's so good, dude. He's so good and he's so precise. He just tried to, like, Chael... I always repeat this 'cause Chael Sonnen said it, it was perfect. If you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win a decision.
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And sometimes you just run out of gas, 'cause, like, you're not supposed to fight like that if you think that the fight's gonna go five rounds. Like, Ilia had him hurt, and he's like, "I can take him out." But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable. And that left hook to the body, the sound of it, man.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oof.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  It's just whip. It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. His punches are just... I mean, even, I-I... Justin said it in the post-fight interview, like, when he's fresh, his skills are unmatched. Like, that's a crazy thing to say to a guy you just beat up and made stop. He stopped him in the fourth round.
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  That's crazy to say, like, his skills are unmatched, but they really are. You know?
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, at every point of that, I'm... At every point of that, anybody, I think, that knows anything about those two fighters is going, "Until this is stopped, anybody can win this."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Like, even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed.
58:24 – 1:02:02
Rule changes and ‘real fights’: no standups and continuous-position rounds
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Not only that, this is with the current rules, where I think n- there should be no standups. I think the only time there should be a standup is when there's a foul.
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, I completely-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Some-
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... agree with you. I hate it when they stand people up
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Even if it's boring.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I get it's boring, but the guy can't get up, and this guy's holding him down.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right
9. JRJoe Rogan
  So he's winning.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yes.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  He's winning. See? I know he's not doing enough, but what does that mean? He's biding his time. You've gotta let a guy have strategy. Like, when Muhammad Ali did rope-a-dope against George Foreman, imagine if the referee's like, "You've gotta punch back."
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right
13. JRJoe Rogan
  "If you don't punch back..." No, he's, he's got a strategy.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Strategy is let George Foreman burn himself out, and then eventually tee off on him, and that's what he did.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. It stinks that referees can let the crowd get in their head.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's the, the organization wants action, too. The fans want action. A lot of people disagree with me, and I understand their poi- I understand their point, especially if you're a casual, "Oh, it's gay. Get 'em up."
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right
19. JRJoe Rogan
  "Make 'em fight. They don't wanna fight. They wanna hug."
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  "Boo."
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  So what? So what? This is the sport.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And if that guy who's on top, who's biding his time and recovering, then decides, "Okay, now's the time. Let me start dropping some bombs-"
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
27. JRJoe Rogan
  "... because I've recovered."
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Good. Well, he held the position, and he recovered his energy, and now he's winning. Like, let him fucking fight.
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
1:02:02 – 1:04:49
Spectacle politics: UFC at the White House, security scares, and media reach
1. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Well, sometimes. But that's what I said about this White House card, by the way, is, like, [clears throat] there's nothing that could have happened, they, that they could have written if it was written, that would have made it more exciting.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
3. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It felt real the whole time, and the fights that happened before made it feel like anything could happen in that main event. Like, it just felt raw and real, but also storyline.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  It-
5. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Which then when UFC is at its best like that, it's like the WWE.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That's what's interesting. Of course, it's not as, you know, uh, a- acrobatic and-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's not scripted
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... exactly.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. But it is, it was a special moment. You know, it was a, a re- regardless of how you feel politically, and I understand it.
11. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  If you're, if you hate the Republicans, and you hate the whole idea, I get it. But just as a person who loves the sport, it was a very unusual experience. Very unusual. And just, I think people have to just look at some things that way. You know, some people have a really hard time separating themselves politically, 'cause they're going, "Oh, no, the, the, the White House puts on this thing. There's all this bad press because of the war. There's bad press because of this and that." And they put on this thing at the White House, and it sort of like MAGA washes everything. You know what I mean?
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Makes everybody like them again. Gives them positive press. Which undeniable. Undeniable it gave them positive press. I mean, the amount of people that have seen it is nuts. You know, I think just on Paramount it's something like 30-something million now. And, you know, they were telling me that they thought it was probably 150 million people had watched it in some form.
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Okay.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Which was, uh, you know, TikTok clips, Instagram, YouTube. But that is a nutty number, man.
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  And I think Dana and Hunter, they were thinking it could get to, like, a billion people see it. Which is just nuts.
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  In some form, you know, highlight reels, clips. I mean, just the Gaethje fight alone, just the highlight reels, how many people watch those on Instagram and TikTok and-
21. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Totally
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the awareness of the event of the moment was so huge. It was like nothing else. Like, it didn't feel like any other event we'd ever ... Like, I was nervous before it started.
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, I never get nervous for UFC. I get excited, but I was, like, legitimately nervous. I was like, I was feeling, like, a little, like, "This is crazy." Like, "We're on the White House lawn."
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Nuts. The flyover is when it really hit.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, when they had all those jets together-
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they were so close to each other.
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, imagine if one of those fucking clips another wing-
1:04:49 – 1:13:02
Comedy at the center: Correspondence Dinner reschedule and Kill Tony’s Trump/Biden moment
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that I heard. [laughs]
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. So annoying. I was more excited for that than, like, anything.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  How did they just cancel it? Why didn't they reschedule it? Maybe they're gonna wait until the ballroom's finished, 'cause that's the argument for the ballroom, that they could have it at a place like that where it's completely secured.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Kurt Metzger thinks the whole thing's fake.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Uh, it's-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  "Oh, another fa- another fake assassination attempt?"
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  "Well, how'd that guy get in there?"
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, how the ... Well, I think some people are just incompetent. There's incompetence. There's bad security. There's, uh, people that don't do their job.
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Also-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And there's also people that you didn't expect to be a problem and were a problem, and you're in a hotel.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Also, the guy made it to the first level of the first scanning of security.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It's not like he made it into the thing.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  But he did shoot somebody, right?
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  I think he shot one of the Secret Service agents in his bulletproof vest.
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that true, Jamie?
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I think so.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  See, there were so many stories online, it's so hard to know what was true and what was not. But it ... I think the guy was a teacher, like a substitute teacher.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Nuts. It's all nuts.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And it's like, man, you didn't think this out? And-
26. SPSpeaker
  They rescheduled it for July 24th.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay. Okay.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  The Correspondence Dinner?
29. SPSpeaker
  Yep.
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Wow. It is on.
1:13:02 – 1:29:31
Fighter personas and consequences: Strickland, trolling, and being ‘banned’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's just weird what we accept, which d- like, doesn't bother me at all. But, like, Cain Velasquez, when he fought in the UFC, he's got brown pride tattooed on his chest.
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Cool.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And his family came over from Mexico. They, they literally walked here.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  White pride, not so popular.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Right.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  White pride on your chest, you know, fucking Sean Strickland-
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. [laughs]
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... just decided to get white pride tattooed. [laughs] And he posted a picture on Instagram of him s- with, as a world champion with br- white pride on his chest next to Cain Velasquez as a world champion with brown pride on his chest.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And people would lose their fucking minds.
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yes.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And again, not saying that Sean would ever put white pride on his chest.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  He would. No, he would. [laughs]
15. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I follow him.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  He doesn't have any tattoos.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I follow him on Twitter. He would, trust me.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  He's a wild boy. Did you see when he showed up?
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  He'd get a, he'd get a temporary tattoo. [laughs]
21. JRJoe Rogan
  He showed up at the UFC even though he's banned. He showed up and they arrested him.
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah, yeah. [laughs]
23. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] They kicked him out. He's the world champion. There's a UFC event at the White House. At the time, before Justin won, he was the only American world champion, and they're like, "You can't come-
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because you talk too much shit about Israel."
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm. He's a wild boy.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's wild that your criticism about Israel is what keeps you from going to the White House as a world champion in a w- a world title fights at the White House.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, you would think you would wanna celebrate the American male world champion. I think he said some other stuff too, though.
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
1:29:31 – 1:40:33
Money, fame, and going broke: Mayweather, Nicolas Cage, and luxury addiction
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you see all this stuff that's going on with Floyd?
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. I, I, I can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how someone makes that much money and doesn't pay taxes or whatever.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Well, I could tell you how. You, you run out of money.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? You, you spend so much money on things.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  You don't... Do you think he has a business manager? [sighs]
7. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] Maybe he wasn't looking out for his best interest. I don't know.
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I mean, just, you gotta put somebody in charge of that amount of money.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You would think, you would think $750 million would last you a while.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  He's, I mean, he's not even 50.
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  You give one guy 5%-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  How old's Floyd?
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... and then-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  How old is Floyd now?
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I don't know.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Put some away.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  God.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  But the thing is, it's like that lifestyle, his lifestyle was all about showing you his wealth.
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  His lifestyle. He's 49. Imagine making $750 million and you're 49, you're broke.
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, God.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's crazy. But Tyson talks openly about how he spent hundreds of millions of dollars.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Just went through it. You know, if you're living that life where you're just wearing diamonds everywhere and you're buying crazy watches, and you know, Floyd does these things. You ever seen him where he, he'll go into a hotel room when he's traveling and he talks about, like, the watches that he brought? And so he opens up suitcases with millions-
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... of dollars in watches. He just opens suitcase. You ever seen these?
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  No.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Fi- find them, 'cause they're kind of hilarious, 'cause he's-
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  He's just trying to figure out which one he wants to wear?
1:40:33 – 2:03:09
Outrage culture and Tony’s ‘post-roast’ backlash: context collapse and media incentives
1. JRJoe Rogan
  So, um, what's it been like, like the, the weirdness, the post-roast weirdness?
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I'm always surprised by these things. I'm always surprised that they last so long, that anybody's talking about it. It's so bizarre. I was surprised with the Pang Dang thing. I was surprised at the Trump thing, and this one is really surprising. 'Cause with other ones they're like, "Ah, there's a time and a place for jokes like that," or this or that or whatever, and this is the time and the place for it, is like the Roast of Kevin Hart, you know. I'm gonna go for it.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And we roasted Kevin. You know, I did a fucking George Floyd joke in the, uh, at the Tom Brady roast, and I did a... Who's the white guy that shot people? Um, uh, it's the same fan base as, uh... Goddammit, the kid that shot people up in wherever.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs] Be a little more specific.
6. THTony Hinchcliffe
  God, it happened a few times.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  The white-
8. THTony Hinchcliffe
  The white guy shot a couple people.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, God.
10. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Had a gun at a thing. They made it look like it was Black people, but it was actually white people that he shot, that were shooting at him or had guns.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What?
12. THTony Hinchcliffe
  What's his name? Has the-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I have no idea who you're talking about.
14. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Goddammit. David Lucas is friends with him-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Kyle Rittenhouse
16. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... brought him to the club.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, Kyle Rittenhouse.
18. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That's it. That's it.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh. [laughs]
20. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I did a Kyle Rittenhouse joke. I did this. And then this one, people are offended or something. I don't know. And yeah, if you just watch that clip on my dismount, it's a crazy clip, but if you watch the entire flow of the roast set, it's just one last departing joke, which that's my thing, man. It's like I knew Earthquake would be standing up on his feet like he was halfway through my set, you know. Ha- you know, there's standing Os that are happening during my actual roast. And on this one, because there were so many people on it and it was such a long, big roast, you know, they set you to an allotted time. So I'm like, "Okay, I'm gonna do something I don't normally do and blast off more jokes per minute than I normally do. Instead of milking it and getting applause breaks and things like that, I'm just gonna create a bang, bang, bang, bang, bang final stand-up things." And you know what's funny is that I have something that's supposed to offend everybody. Like, I don't want you to like 100% of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm heelish. I'm a bad guy wrestling fan.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  You're a pro wrestling heel.
22. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Exactly.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. THTony Hinchcliffe
  So what's funny, [clears throat] is people got offended about the George Floyd thing and people, a lot of people said, "Yeah, well, Pete Davidson did a Charlie Kirk joke." And they're comparing these things from two different spectrums, but what, what they didn't mention is that I did a Charlie Kirk joke in my set. So fuck them, fuck them, fuck them, fuck them. You know what I mean?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Everybody gets them.
26. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Everybody gets it is always my whole point.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Everybody gets some jokes.
28. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Everybody does.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I said that Kevin has, uh, quite the fan base. He has more gunfire at his merch table than Charlie Kirk-
2:03:09 – 2:20:32
Distrust in institutions: cable news, X as ‘the news,’ and propaganda dynamics
1. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... it's just impossible now. And, and, you know, it used to be Twitter was Twitter and this and that, but really, it's just the news. X is the news.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  It is the news now.
3. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And it's so hard to absorb that. It y- it was fun, and, you know, it's cool and all, and my algorithm still shows me stuff that I love, police chases gone wrong, and, and UFC highlights and all of this stuff, but all the stuff around that is just crazy. I did a thing because I was staying at a hotel in, um, in, uh, DC right after the State of the Union or something. Anyway, I'm like, "Okay, it's a hotel TV. I never get to watch regular TV. I'm gonna be asleep in a few minutes anyway." So I threw on, um, I ended up going by CNN. I'm like, "Let's see what these wackos are saying over here. Let's see how fake the news can possibly be," because from what I understand, the most recent State of the Union was a solid State of the Union, and very positive and long and entertaining. Let's see what they say. "Oh, racism this. He caused the deaths of Black people here. He's the reason why we- why America's failing. It's the reason why we're the laughingstock of the country." It made me so stressed out. And I'm like, "Okay, well let's see what Fox News is saying," and it was crazy over there. And then you have fucking-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  What did they say?
5. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Uh, well, they had their counterpoint person on, unlike CNN, where they're just all in agreeance. "Yeah, yeah." And going by six people literally going, "Yeah, he's the worst, and let's not forget that he doesn't think trans people deserve this and this and..." Like, they're just going on and on about straight doom. And Fox News had a counterpoint person that was stressing me out. I en- you know, it, it... I swear to God I'm not kidding. This is not a joke. I was flipping through the different ch- go by MSNBC. I'm like, "Oh my God, this is crazy." I put on Silence of the Lambs.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  To calm yourself down?
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  And I swear to God, I was asleep five minutes later.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Silence... We- I, and I ended up h- it just coincidentally was on the Buffalo Bill part where, like, he's got a girl in a well.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  "Who puts the lotion in the basket?"
11. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, pure darkness. And I'm like, "Ah."
12. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  "Finally, some peace on the cable television."
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah.
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I never get to just watch normal TV.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  So did Fox News have a positive spin on the State of the Union address? I did not watch it.
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  I remember for some reason it was stressing me out, whatever was going on. 'Cause, like, they ha- they, at least Fox has, they'll argue still, like the news used to be. They'll have both sides on and kind of talk it out. And CNN has that poor guy, that poor one guy that just takes all the bullets for everybody [laughs] else. He's just going, "You're lying. This is, that stat doesn't exist."
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Scott Jennings?
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yes.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah. That poor guy is probably, [laughs] he probably has months to live. He takes so many bullets every day.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  [laughs]
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  He's a fucking war hero out there.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, uh, it's a very turbulent world when it comes to discourse. It's just everybody's mad at everybody else. It's really weird to watch. It's really weird to watch these, these shows on CNN now that are basically like bad podcasts that get interrupted every five minutes-
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for a commercial. It's really what it's like. I just don't, I don't remember it being that way, where it's just so many panel opinion shows. I remember it was, it was m- like CNN used to have Bourdain's show on.
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yep.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? Where they would travel around the country and check out, or travel around the world and check out food, and it was interesting.
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm, yep.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And he would, you know, give you his perspective on the cultures and all the, the problems and the things that these people were facing, their food and what the w- what the community was like. It was a fucking great show. They did a bunch of different shows that were different, you know? And then somewhere along the line, man, they just went all outrage.
2:20:32 – 2:29:49
California decline, architecture tastes, and why safety beats aesthetics
1. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... it's just the funniest thing, because it's, it, he reminds me of, like, one of the, uh, last actual politicians. Like, he's a different just lying, ignoring of facts type of human being, because we're witnessing it. Maybe it's easy for someone in, uh, I don't know, New Hampshire to go, "Ah, that Gavin Newsom's the future." But we lived in California, and I've been to San Francisco recently, and we've seen it. Like when you travel, [lips smack] you know, comedians aren't the end all be all and these wise whatever sages perhaps, but we do travel a lot, and you spend a weekend in a city, and then you're not just doing your shows. You're having lunch somewhere, you're having coffee somewhere, you're dealing with the people at the hotel lo- whatever it may be. There's different communications and vibes and energies, and there's so many of these places, especially California. You know, San Diego's like a last stand. Huntington Beach is an are- a- area around there.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
3. THTony Hinchcliffe
  There's like these little pockets in which-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm
5. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... there's still some common sense and happiness-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Newport
7. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... and joy. Newport. Uh, these little pockets. But those major cities are fucked, man. Even the drive... And, you know, I go to LA basically maybe once a year now for a quick f- always fun visit, always doing some arena and a couple nights at The Store, which is different unfortunately. But the drive from LAX to that area of West Hollywood/Beverly Hills is gruesome. Everything is for lease. Everything is empty. Um, there's nothing new except for the crazy-looking, weird-ass Obama Museum Library, which is the craziest, weirdest eyesore humanly imaginable.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Where's that?
9. THTony Hinchcliffe
  It's like on the way up there. I can't remember if it's like off of La Cienega or Fairfax.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  That's not the new one, 'cause the new one is in Chicago, isn't it? Yeah.
11. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, it is?
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. THTony Hinchcliffe
  What the fuck? And they built something that looks just like that monstrosity there.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  No, the one in Chicago, people don't like it. I think it looks dope.
15. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Do-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  It looks like, it looks like something from Blade Runner.
17. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  I like it. A lot of people don't like it, but it cost a lot of money. Costs like $850 million. See if you can find out what that building looks like.
19. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [lips smack]
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Show me a photo of the-
21. THTony Hinchcliffe
  There's something that looks just like that building
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... Trump building. The, they have a sports complex on, uh, in Los Angeles they made. Who did, the Obamas? Yeah. I don't know if that's what that is. Oh, okay. I think that's it. Um, what is the, um, the one in Chicago? A lot of people were criticizing it, and I saw it, I go, "That thing looks dope."
23. THTony Hinchcliffe
  [laughs]
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I love it. Like that thing? Where is it? Yeah, the, the, the one there where your cursor is. Click on that. It's a rendering. Oh, that's a rendering? I don't think it's done yet. Oh, it's not done? Maybe. I don't know. I mean, this looks like something- I thought people were in it ... I don't think so. I think they just- What's it down there in the lower- I think they just showed this online and everyone was going crazy ... I thought people were already going to it. I don't know that. Um, I think that's it. That looks like a rendering to me. Yeah, it looks like a rendering. That looks fake as fuck. Yeah, I think they just announced- But that one down there, that one down there with the darkness, uh, in the corner. Yeah, right there. Is that real? It's Brit- Encyclopedia Britannica. I don't... I, I think that's a real photo. I think it's done. I might be wrong. Oh, well that's not gonna have the right section. But see if it... Oh, you have, uh, Los Angeles, Chicago. Yeah, it's real. So it's up. But I, I think it looks cool. It's different. Uh, people are saying it's ugly. It looks like... See if we can find photos of it. Go to images. Oh, is that Sean- Yeah, just... Yeah, there we go. Right there. Dude, I think that looks dope. Ooh.
25. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Really?
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. THTony Hinchcliffe
  That-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah
29. THTony Hinchcliffe
  ... windowless-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  And look at all, all the writing on the top. What does it say? Go all the way up please. I'm trying. Oh. Oh. Unconstrain-
2:29:49 – 2:42:26
High-speed outlaw culture vs. high art: street racers, then Kanye’s stadium spectacle
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Speaking of which, I've been watching, uh... I got, I went down a rabbit hole the other day on YouTube-
2. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Mm-hmm
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... where, uh, street racers, and there's this one guy, uh, who is, like, a famous street racer because, uh, there's all these videos of him. He got his, uh, his thing set up where he can shut the lights off. He's got this black Corvette. I'ma send this to you, Jamie. I think I've seen this guy. Yeah. His name is Really Slow, like R-Y-L-S-L-O. Um, and he's got videos of these cop encounters. So they, he, like, baits cops and then goes on these mad runs, and you, you watch it- Jesus ... and you go, "Holy shit, man."
4. THTony Hinchcliffe
  Oh, I love it.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Car's on the screen. Yes. This is the dude. Yeah, so- This is a video about him, not just one- Yeah, this is... Well, he's like a legend online because, uh, he does interviews only with a voice changer where, "Dutch's voice in the back like that." [laughs] Where he describes all the modifications that he did to his car. But he puts a 3D camera on the back of his car and he, uh... You know, they have those things where you stick it on the back of your car and it gives you a 3D view of the automobile. And he has video of the cops, like, flashing their lights, and his car has got 1,000-plus horsepower. So these poor cops in their, like, 300 horsepower fucking Crown Victoria, they try to chase this guy and he just disappears. And then once he gets out of the line, like... S- p- go back to that video where it was before. Yes. Watch this. I mean, it's, this is, it's just- Just- ... edited. It's not his videos, it's just someone- I, I understand, but if you just... I know this video, but if you... What, what, what he does is they start pulling him over, and in the beginning when they pull him over, he hits the gas and then shuts his lights off. Did you pass that spot? Yeah, this is- Here it is. So, so this is it. So they hit the lights, and he's like, "See ya." Are they gonna show it? Yes. This is not the right one. Okay, so it's not the compilation. So when he does it and he hits the gas, he gets f- here it is. He gets far enough away from them. They're not showing it. Yeah, it's not gonna be- These motherfuckers. They have to edit their own shit. Leaving it alone is better. So he gets ahead of everybody, and then just he has a button where it kills his headlights, and he's using night vision. Oh, wow.

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California decline, architecture tastes, and why safety beats aesthetics

High-speed outlaw culture vs. high art: street racers, then Kanye’s stadium spectacle

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