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Joe Rogan Experience #2524 - Rupert Lowe

Rupert Lowe is a British politician who has served as the member of Parliament for Great Yarmouth since 2024 and the leader of Restore Britain. Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. onX Offroad: Try onX Offroad for 50% off- go to https://onXmaps.com/joerogan This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE

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Jul 8, 20262h 3mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 0:02

    Intro

    1. JR

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  2. 0:02 – 1:05

    Why Lowe came on: the crowdfunded “Rape Gang Report” and what’s being ignored

    1. JR

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Thank you for being here. Really appreciate it.

    2. RL

      No, it's my pleasure.

    3. JR

      And thank you to, uh, Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and Elon Musk for helping connect us. They all three reached out.

    4. RL

      Well, e- we are going to see Elon on Sunday, so he's been an incredible support for us. Uh-

    5. JR

      Yeah

    6. RL

      ... so I d- I don't know how you want to play the... I, I'm totally in your hands. I'll d- h- I'll follow your lead. But I mean, he's been helping us 'cause Britain's in bad shape. And, uh-

    7. JR

      Yeah, and that's why you're here, and this is what we're talking about. We're talking about-

    8. RL

      Well, the rape gang, we've, we've done... This is a-

    9. JR

      The report. There it is

    10. RL

      ... we've crowdfunded this.

    11. JR

      Okay.

    12. RL

      Uh, which I'm very happy to, to talk to you about, which I think-

    13. JR

      Yeah, just this title of that, Rape Gang Report.

    14. RL

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      The idea that there's rape, there's actual rape gangs in the UK in 2026, and it's... Is it being ignored? Is it being downplayed? Like, how is it being received by the media and by the politicians over there?

  3. 1:05 – 3:24

    Linking the issue to post‑war European integration and a planned multicultural project

    1. RL

      Well, the history of it is that basically, as you probably know, uh, Britain, after the war, decided they were going to play a part in Europe, a bigger part in Europe. Well, our elite did, the British elite. And to do that, they had to basically diminish the power of the nation state, and they had to head towards this European super state, which is, is the EU, the genesis of which was obviously a monopoly.

    2. JR

      Why did they have to diminish the power of the nation to do that?

    3. RL

      Because I think Britain was a proud nation state. We, we, we... With your, with the American help, we'd won the war, and we hadn't been, uh, invaded or conquered, which most of Europe had been. So you'd had mass, uh, dislocation in Europe. Huge numbers of people had been dislocated and pushed all over, all over Europe. And I think the socialists... I was in the European Parliament, so I spent a brief time, uh, as an MEP, uh, a member of the European Parliament, uh, when we finally achieved Bre- well, a kind of Brexit. We can talk about that, but it wasn't a proper Brexit. So I, I, I think the genesis of the rape gangs, going back to this, was the fact that multiculturalism was the order of the day. They wanted open borders. They wanted a multicultural society. They, they, they basically felt the nation state had been the cause of, of world wars, effectively starting with Napoleon. Then obviously we had, uh, the Kaiser, then we had Hitler, and, and, and I think they saw it that way, the Monnets, the Spinellis, and the people who constructed the European Union. So to, to, to the rape gang report, which was your question, ultimately that, that, the genesis of that is this multicultural, uh, uh, invasion almost of, of Europe.

    4. JR

      Can I, can I pause you for a second? So w- what you think is that the multicultural invasion, the way, the way it was set up was on purpose, and it was on purpose to sort of diminish the idea of nationalism?

    5. RL

      Yes. I, I think that, that... Well, I'm, I'm, I'm-

    6. JR

      And so this was, like, a long plan. So this was something that they must have had to sit down, and, like, who would be involved in this sort of a discussion where you would be willing to diminish patriotism, diminish this idea that Britain by itself is exceptional, and the people are exceptional?

    7. RL

      It's a... It was a long, deceitful plan. So I, I always say-

    8. JR

      Who implemented it?

  4. 3:24 – 6:05

    Brexit, the euro fight, and sovereignty as the underlying political battleground

    1. RL

      The European elites in league with our elite, who effectively, if you remember in 1975, we had what was... We, we joined what was called the European Economic Community. It wasn't, uh, effectively, uh, a- anything other than an economic union. But that, that very quickly, uh, changed, and effectively they tried to politically integrate Europe. That failed, and then in '97, uh, they tried to force it through with the introduction of the euro. So having failed politically, they tried to do it financially. That was my first, uh, uh, foray into standing as a member of Parliament, to fight to save the British pound. 'Cause once you lose your currency, effectively you lose your, your sovereignty and your national identity, and our gold reserves were going to be shipped out to Germany, to Frankfurt. Uh, and we would've become a vassal state, part of the European Union. It would've been irreversible. But in the event, we, thanks to Sir James Goldsmith, we secured enough votes. We forced, uh, the establishment to promise a referendum before they surrendered to the, to the euro, and we ended up saving the pound, which in the end resulted in the referendum in 2016, where the British people voted to take back their sovereignty. Which ultimately I think the establishment always knew that the core, the body of Britain, or body of England in particular, wanted its own accountable Parliament in Westminster. It didn't want to be part of a, an unaccountable European socialist protectionist super state.

    2. JR

      So the, uh, quote, unquote, "elites" in, in Britain and the, the elites in the United States, this... It's coordinated with both of them. So you're-

    3. RL

      I think less so in America, Joe. I, I, I, I can't speak for America, although when you look at what the Democrats did, uh, with USAID and all the stuff that was going on, uh, under Joe Biden, you have to wonder whether they began with the World Economic Forum to play a part in this. But I, I think the post-war plan for Europe was founded on a socialist principle, whereas I think America has always been a, a, a very sound, uh, uh, uh, politically based structure based on obviously, uh, you know, the Founding Fathers and your Constitution. Which I always think, uh, returns power to the individual and has always understood that the dangers are statist dangers, not individual dangers. So I'm very much in the camp, I like the individual and a minimal state, and I, and I think that's much more in your DNA than it is in the European DNA, which, which tends to be more statist.

    4. JR

      Right. So- They did this on purpose, and they brought in people from what country specifically?

  5. 6:05 – 10:46

    Immigration waves, Blair-era legal changes, and the ‘high-trust society’ argument

    1. RL

      Well, initially you got, you got in Britain, uh, you got people from Africa, you got the Windrush, uh, generation. So you got a lot of Africans came, uh, ostensibly to fill jobs that they always say the British people don't want to do, and it, it gathered momentum. Uh, it was relatively slow to start with. So you, you, you had an influx of people coming to the UK. You had open borders in Europe. So one of the, the absolute, uh, embedded rules they have is this freedom of movement concept, so they don't have effectively national borders. But we, we still obviously had the, the, the, the channel, but we embraced this and we started this, uh, immigration. What happened, uh, is it gradually happened, and I think these rape gangs have been going on, or we know they have s- for 30, 40, probably 50 years to a lesser extent. But when Tony Blair got in and he undermined a lot of constitutional sort of historical law, uh, you got an acceleration of immigration, uh, from other parts of the world. Not, not just from Europe, but also from other countries, uh, South Asian countries in particular, who came, uh, to the UK. And the genesis of the rape gangs really is, I think, the cultural oil and water mix of, uh, uh, these people coming from what I call clannish societies in South Asia, uh, and joint- coming to very high trust societies such as the one we had and the one you have here, which have taken thousands of years to develop to the high trust societies where, uh, and you know, Lee Kuan Yew based Singapore on post-war Britain, where you could ha- you had tru- you had honesty boxes for newspapers in London, and you had a country that was completely at peace with itself. Uh, so it won the war, it respected peace, it respected freedom, and people were building, rebuilding their lives having fought a second world war to, to, to free Europe from, from, from sort of, in this case, Germany. Um, previously we'd done it at Waterloo when we, uh, relieved Europe of, of the French w- with Napoleon. So it's, it really accelerated after '97 when, uh, a lot of the legislation that Tony Blair and his cohorts passed, uh, such as the Hu- Human Rights Act, which embeds within it the ECHR. Uh, he created the Supreme Court. He pa- they passed laws like the Equalities Act, and there are raft of other legal acts they passed which effectively empowered a multicultural society, uh, which in some ways I think damaged the interests of, of, of the British people. So-

    2. JR

      And you think this is on purpose? And this is my point, is what is the benefit for them to be joined up with the rest of Europe? Is it just purely financial? Is it a power-based strategy where if you can diminish the quality of life for people and institute more laws and put more restrictions on them, you can control them easier and it's less pushback for the politicians, less put- pushback for the people that are in charge?

    3. RL

      Basically, yes. I, I think it's the age-old battle between individualism and collectivism. So, so I, I think the EU is a collectivist construct, whereas I think Britain as it was under our constitution and our Bill of Rights, which as you probably know, our, our Bill of Rights in 1689, a lot of that was lifted to, uh, by your founding fathers who, who, who embedded it within the US Constitution. So... And that embeds freedom of speech, it embeds the individual, it embeds all of the, all of the rights that I think make the Anglo-Saxon world great. And, and-

    4. JR

      So how did it deteriorate to the point where they're arresting 12,000 people a year for social media posts?

    5. RL

      It's... Joe, it's shocking. A- and this is why I, I have got involved in politics. I've been involved in politics since I fought the Maastricht Treaty and then stood, as I said, in '97. I did a lot for Business for Sterling, a lot for Vote Leave. Then I stood for the Brexit Party, and I was elected there. So I've, I've been fighting this, uh, march towards an unaccountable state which effectively rewards collectivism and punishes individualism, uh, to the extent that now I find myself at the age of 68, uh, as an MP running a party called Restore Britain to try and reverse this tide, to re-empower the individual, to return to our original constitution, and to protect the interests above all else of the, of the British people, to whom I think government should be accountable.

  6. 10:46 – 17:32

    Current illegal migration, welfare support, and ‘parallel’ legal systems (Sharia courts)

    1. JR

      Do they still have that kind of unchecked immigration? Is it currently ongoing?

    2. RL

      We still have illegal migrants arriving by boat. Uh, they can't, they can't be under the current, uh, uh, laws and treaties that we're part of. They are, they are, they're not being deported. The judges, thanks to the creation of the Supreme Court, uh, they, they are now a quango, a woke quango. I think a lot of our judiciary is corrupt. So the answer to your question is we still have illegal migration, and we have people living in Britain illegally. We have a lot of foreign prisons in our, in our, in our, in our prisons. And we have people who've come in under various waves of immigration, one, one of which, the biggest of which was probably under Boris Johnson, who was actually a conservative prime minister, who allowed, uh, uh, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people to come, uh, into Britain. And, uh, basically they are now a burden to the British taxpayer. So the answer to your question is they're arriving illegally still. They're living here illegally or living in Britain illegally still. Uh, we've got foreign criminals in our prisons, and we've got... we've still got the legacy of this huge amount of, of, of immigration which took place.

    3. JR

      And are a large percentage of these people receiving welfare from-

    4. RL

      Yes

    5. JR

      ... the British government?

    6. RL

      Yes.

    7. JR

      What percentage?

    8. RL

      Well, most of the people who, who arrive, they're all supported, Joe. I mean, they're put in hotel-

    9. JR

      So immediately as soon as you get there?

    10. RL

      In Parliament I see the contracts, thanks to my parliamentary questions. I'm allowed to ask questions and scrutinize the contracts for, for instance, the MV Stockholm was, it was a boat which cost the British taxpayer one and a half billion pounds. Uh, it's actually now lying redundant, uh, uh, and not being used. But I've seen the contracts for, uh, these illegal migrants in terms of the laundry services they get, in terms of the-

    11. JR

      Laundry services [laughs]

    12. RL

      ... taxi services they get, in terms of the food they require. I mean, literally it is like, uh, uh, it's like staying in a very comfortable hotel, and we've now got these people being settled all across our country-

    13. JR

      How many?

    14. RL

      ... uh, in hotels. Well, I don't think the government knows, Joe, in answer to your question. I don't think they know how many people are living in Britain illegally.

    15. JR

      Was the similar situation that America had over the last four years where the, at, on the low number they think it was 10 million people came in, which is insane. It's a, a insane amount of people to come in in four years. Was-

    16. RL

      Well, we, we think there's enough work to do initially to detain and deport people who are arriving illegally. I mean, to my mind, illegal means illegal.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. RL

      So it's, it's, it's, it's fairly straightforward. Um, to, uh, the people who are, uh, arriving illegally, people living here illegally, the foreign criminals, there's plenty of work to do to remove them from Britain, and then I think we need to turn our attention, and that's in our mass deportation document, uh, uh, I've given you a copy of that, which effectively sets out the constitutional reasons why we have a problem, how we correct those constitutional issues, and how we then practically, uh, detain and deport, uh, the people who aren't supposed to be here. And once we've done that, we'll, we will then turn our attention to people who are living in Britain, to your point, who are on welfare, who are going to cost the taxpayer a fortune for the rest of their lives probably, who aren't working, who are culturally different to us, who have a different view of, of, of, of, of their religion to the Christian religion, uh, and are increasingly living in, in, in small groups of people who haven't integrated, who are living under Sharia law and, and who have their own courts, and, and who-

    19. JR

      They have their own courts?

    20. RL

      They have their own courts, Sharia courts, yes.

    21. JR

      So they-

    22. RL

      Parallel, a parallel legal system.

    23. JR

      Okay, so it's a unrecognized by the British government parallel legal system that exists inside of England.

    24. RL

      It's tolerated by-

    25. JR

      Tolerated.

    26. RL

      It's tolerated.

    27. JR

      So it's, they're aware of it.

    28. RL

      Yes.

    29. JR

      And they're aware of the punishments that this court dishes out?

    30. RL

      They... It, it's rather like they're policing their own people under their own laws.

  7. 17:32 – 18:58

    What the report did: victims’ testimony, hearings, missing transcripts, and data gaps

    1. RL

      effectively running the show. So, so, uh, to your point, I couldn't agree more. In the rape gang report, which I, which, which, which is, wh- which we've written- Was crowdfunded by 20,000 concerned English people who, who, uh, we, we raised not a huge amount of money. We raised, uh, about £600,000, v- in varying quantities people gave, and we did it because the government will not have a statutory inquiry. So our government, and particularly the Labour Party, have been presiding over this because it goes to the Muslim block vote. So we have in, in the UK a system of postal voting, and in a lot of the inner cities and, and the places where these Islamic populations live, they are or have historically voted Labour. That's beginning to change. They're beginning to vote for Muslim independence now, and I sit with some of them at the back of Parliament. So, so effectively this, this inquiry we did, we set out with a completely unbiased, uh, view of what we would find, and we did it because we were pushing the government to have a statutory inquiry. And I, I, I ... a lot of the reason I'm, got involved in it was I, I, I, I think it was Elon Musk who triggered. He, he, he talked about it 'cause a lot of people in the UK I don't think know the extent to which this has been happening and for, and, and, and the length of time it's been happening for.

  8. 18:58 – 19:59

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  9. 19:59 – 45:25

    Why it’s not widely known: Labour incentives, postal voting, BBC silence, and fear of ‘racism’ labels

    1. JR

      Is it a failure of the politicians? Like, why, why don't people know about this?

    2. RL

      Well, it's a total failure, failure of the media 'cause the media are supposed to be an independent body that holds to account, uh, failures of, of the state. And it's basically because this block vote, uh, through the postal voting system, which needs to be changed, uh, is effectively or has been, uh, keeping Lab- the Labour Party in, in power. So they've put power ahead of principle. And in the report we cover this. We've covered the reasons why it's so serious and, and to your point, we even cover, as you quite rightly say, the fact that, uh, dogs are, a- a- are not liked by, by, by, by the Islamic faith, largely 'cause Muhammad liked cats. He didn't like dogs. Um, um, and we, we ... What we wanted to do was interview victims, which we did. We did it properly. It took us over a year. We had a, a, a, a, a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse, who, who, who led it. She's got a child by her rapist. Uh, and we had a team of people, and we literally produced the witness bundles, and we, and we listened to, uh, the witnesses, and then we had a two-week hearing in London where people gave evidence, and we had a, a, a proper, uh, barrister who effectively, uh, presided over it and then help- helped us write the report. So effectively Graham Smith, the, the barrister, did a fantastic job. And we didn't start out with any preconceived ideas. It started because we read some court transcripts of some of the people who'd been found guilty of, of this, which the government, by the way, has tried to keep quiet. Some of the historical, uh, uh, court transcripts disappear, so, uh, we've been calling for these transcripts to be kept now. We've actually, uh, tried to make a noise about that. And the more we read this and the more we carried on with the rape gang, uh, inquiry, the more it became clear to us that obviously there's a link between this, this power a- and, and the b- the abuse and, and, and, and grooming and, and, and if you like, damage that was done to white working-class English girls, and it does go ... And, and in the report we've, we've looked at the reasons why, to your point, there is a cultural difference of opinion between an open, high-trust Christian view of women particularly and, and the Islamic view of women, which is all in the report. So for instance, the, as you probably know, uh, uh, if a woman accuses, uh, somebody of rape ... Uh, and a lot of these Muslims come from Pakistan, Joe. They're, they're predominantly Pakistan, and they're predominantly, uh, from one part of Pakistan called Mirpur. Uh, there are some from Bangladesh, there are some from Somalia, there are some from Eritrea, there, there, there are other, other Muslim countries that, that perpetrate some of this, and of course there are white people who perpetrate rape as well, but nothing on the scale of this. This is, this is quite horrific. And our, our report has effectively uncovered this. I think we've played a part with this report in the government saying that they're going to have now a statutory inquiry 'cause we didn't have any statutory powers to be able to, uh, force people to appear at our hearing, and they all appeared voluntarily. The government can actually force people legally to appear. They can actually, uh, uh, make it a legal requirement that people attend. We, we, we couldn't do that. But there had been reports in the past. Uh, there was the Jay report in, in, in, in 2014, and there's been the Casey report, all of which confirmed that this was happening, and the state still continued to try and pretend it was just happening in a small number of siloed areas, uh, where, where you obviously had a high Islamic population. The state has equally failed to collect data o-on the crimes that are perpetrated, say, the ethnicity of, of the people who are perpetrating the crimes. And from there you can extrapolate once you've got the data, as to whether or not you've got an extraordinary problem in one particular section of society. And, and again, using my parliamentary questions, I've been forcing, uh, uh, as much disclosure as I can get, and this is how we've discovered that a lot of the data that should be being collected by the police particularly, by the National Health Service, by social services, a lot of the data has not been properly collected. Possibly because the state does, I think, know that this is happening, but they don't want to admit that their multicultural experiment, which as you probably know, famously Enoch Powell warned would fail, uh, with his speech, the, the Rivers of Blood speech, for which he was heavily criticized. So I, I think they do know, but they don't want to admit it. They don't want to be called racist. Uh, they don't want to... And this has permeated the whole of British society since Tony Blair. People are frightened to be accused of, uh, effectively being biased and white. And we're taught about things, as you probably... I don't know whether you have it here, unconscious bias and, and all of the other sort of what I call-

    3. JR

      Yeah

    4. RL

      ... woke, woke DEI-driven, uh, rubbish, which, which has permeated Britain in the same way. I think it may have originally come from, from you guys, but it's-

    5. JR

      Yeah

    6. RL

      ... it's, it's certainly had a huge effect on us.

    7. JR

      I think it had a great grip on us for a few years, and it's l-lessened its hold.

    8. RL

      Well, thanks to The Donald, yeah.

    9. JR

      Yeah, that helped a lot, and I think a big part of it was Elon buying Twitter-

    10. RL

      Yeah, yeah

    11. JR

      ... where you got legitimate free speech, and which is again, back to this 12,000 people getting arrested, uh, each year for social media posts recently. Like that is... H-How is that tolerated? I just don't understand how people aren't... I w- I was about to say up in arms, but that's also part of the problem, is that no one's armed over there.

    12. RL

      We, we, we aren't. We... Well, I have actually got some guns, Joe, 'cause I-

    13. JR

      Oh, you get to go?

    14. RL

      ... I have a farm. So when you come-

    15. JR

      Oh

    16. RL

      ... to the UK, I hope you'll come and shoot some pheasants with me.

    17. JR

      Oh.

    18. RL

      Uh, but, um-

    19. JR

      But if you don't have a farm...

    20. RL

      Uh, well, if you don't have a farm, you, you'll find it very difficult to get a gun of any kind.

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. RL

      And even if you have a farm, so, uh, Reform tried to politically assassinate me, uh, uh, in, in, in, in '25, early '25, and made false accusations about me threatening to hit one of the, the... Zia Yusuf in a meeting, and somebody was saying I went around Parliament saying I was a very good shot and I was gonna shoot Zia Yusuf. I mean, as if you believe that. I'm, I'm... I've got a completely clean record. I employ lots of people. I have lots of businesses, and I've never had an issue. But listen, four armed police turned up, took all my guns away. I mean-

    23. JR

      Wow

    24. RL

      ... and I'm a member of Parliament. I said to them, "Guys-

    25. JR

      Wow

    26. RL

      ... you could've just called me up and we could've talked about it," but no.

    27. JR

      Wow.

    28. RL

      They turned up, uh-

    29. JR

      Just from an accusation

    30. RL

      ... 9:30 at night, left at quarter to 12:00. We got them on the cameras. Took all my guns, all my ammo, and it took me five or six months to get them, get, get them all back.

  10. 45:25 – 1:13:05

    Scale and brutality claims: locations list, estimate of victims, and ‘organized gang’ structure

    1. JR

      This, so this rape gang inquiry report that you have just released, the, the number, I want you to say it 'cause it sounds so crazy if I say it, n- people, it, it's, it's gonna sound wrong. What the number of people that were victims, the estimate.

    2. RL

      Well, we've estimated that a minimum of a quarter of a million, uh, uh, rapes have taken place. It's, it- it's probably much, much more, Joe.

    3. JR

      Much, much more when you say-

    4. RL

      Because, because, because we published in here, I think it's a list of 147 parts of the UK where this is happening. Now, the government tries to tell you it's happening in Rochdale, Oldham, you know, one or two, Bradford, one or two centers, and that's why their statutory inquiry, the terms of reference of that have now been downgraded so they make it look as if it's not a systemic problem, but just a, a, a little local problem, which it isn't. So we've, we've listed here, and they're all in here, the places where we know it's happening from our rape gang inquiry. But every, every time we publish this, Joe, I, I [chuckles] get people emailing us or sending us messages on social media to say, "What about Red Ruth in Cornwall? What about M- it's happening here, it's happening here, it's happening here." So I, I think it's incredibly widespread and, and there's, you know, other people who've corroborated that quarter of a million figure. That's an incredibly conservative figure. You can't be exact because the state is not collecting the data, which it should be doing, and we've been lobbying in Parliament to make sure that the state's collection of the data improves, and then we can actually see the extent of the problem, and you can actually pinpoint it, uh, in the same way that we've done it in this report. S- so, so this is, I think it's linked t- to organized crime. I think it's linked to the drug trade. Uh, I'm, well, I'm pretty sure it's linked to the drug trade, and, and obviously it's linked to prostitution. So, so as usual, with an evil like this, and you've got girls who are transported round in the back of pickups, uh, uh, uh, and, and, and in cages, uh, and, and at our rape gang inquiry, we had examples of girls who were raped by dogs, uh, and filmed, uh, either anally raped or, or, or vaginally raped, uh, and literally watched, filmed, and, and a lot of it's about servitude and about, you know, uh, there's other stories in here about women having to lick the face, the feet of their, of their rapists. It, it's, it's about power, it's about servitude, and it's about the fact that Muslim men are, are taught to believe that they are superior, not only to women, but they're superior to people like you, yourself and myself, who are considered to be, uh, uh, uh, uh, if you like, the, the infidels. And, and their job is to effectively spread, uh, uh, Islam, uh, and effectively punish the infidel. And, and as you probably know, in the Crusades, if you lost to Saladin and you were a Knights Templar, a Crusader, you, you had two choices. You either converted to Islam or they killed you. And, and in, in the, in the case of a lot of these girls, a, a lot of them were Made pregnant. They were, they were impregnated, and, and they then had to convert to Islam. Uh, some of them were trafficked to Saudi Arabia, uh, uh, Pakistan, other parts of the world. So look, I mean, this, this is a massive national scandal, and, and I, I'm hoping, now I'm an MP... We've written this report, and this should stimulate debate. I've- we've sent a copy of this on a PDF to every MP, and we're gonna send this printed copy to, to all of them as well.

    5. JR

      You-

    6. RL

      'Cause everybody in power should look at this, and they should start to correct it immediately.

    7. JR

      You, you, you use the term, or the term is used, rape gang. Why, why are you saying gang? And it- this is an organized practice.

    8. RL

      Yes. Yes, so it's, so-

    9. JR

      So it's not as, it's not as simple as Islamic men are raping poor white girls. It's that they go out in gangs specifically for this purpose.

    10. RL

      They... These are properly organized gangs who are grooming and abusing young girls as young as 10 or 11, and then literally trafficking them around the country. We know that from, from, from, from the testimonies we've had. So originally, when I went into Parliament, I was, I was late, uh, elected late, so I was elected in, in July 24. Uh, so at the tender age of 67. So I, so I, I... We, w- we heard them being referred to as Asian grooming gangs, which I think is a misnomer because it's unfair on, for instance, the Japanese or other-

    11. JR

      Right

    12. RL

      ... other, other Asian cultures who don't do this. So when we... Thanks to Elon Musk, we actually did, and, and as you're quite right, thanks to him giving us a free speech platform, and, and Facebook's thankfully followed as well, so he's led the charge through his purchase of, of, of what was Twitter. So when I got into... I gave a speech in Parliament, uh, where I didn't... I said, "They're not Asian grooming gangs. I'm gonna call them what they are. They're Pakistani Muslim rape gangs." So I said this in Parliament. So, uh, Jamie better drag it up if, if he goes onto the, you know, 'cause everything goes into Hansard. Uh, and I gave this speech, and it caused shock in, in, in, in the House of Commons. Now, look, I'm, I'm not the smartest kid on the block, but what I do in Parliament is I tell the truth. So, you know, I'm only interested in telling the truth and getting to the truth and changing the way in which we're governed. That's what I've gone into Parliament for, you know? I, I haven't gone into this... I give my parliamentary salary to charity. You know, I'm a reasonably successful, uh, person who's lived his life. I've, I've been chairman of a football club. I don't know if you're interested in Premier League football, but I was chairman of Southampton, so I built the stadium for Southampton. You know, I used to play competitive hockey. Uh, and I, and I built up the youth academy at Southampton. You know, I loved... The best day of my life was when we got to the cup final in 2003. We lost one-nil to Arsenal, but it was the most amazing experience for, for everybody. So look, I, I'm not doing this because I, I, I want necessarily to be doing it. I'm doing it 'cause somebody's got to do it, and if we're gonna change Britain, we've got to get the public to buy into what we're doing. And as I, I, I say, I'm not a classic politician. I'm not saying you've got to vote for me. I'm saying that we've got to change Britain by '29, or I think the country, from what I can see, is in terminal decline. So I sit on the Public Accounts Committee. I see the waste. I see the unaccountability. I see the way in which the civil service does not serve the people which it's supposed to serve. I see our debt rising to nearly 100% of GDP. I see massive, uh, uh, misallocation of procurement on our, on our weapons. I see fraud in the judiciary. I see all the things that-

    13. JR

      Sounds like you're talking about America.

    14. RL

      Well, I'm talking about-

    15. JR

      [laughs]

    16. RL

      I'm talking about Britain-

    17. JR

      All right

    18. RL

      ... at the moment, Joe, but I think-

    19. JR

      It seems like it's a widespread problem is my point is.

    20. RL

      Well, I actually, I actually think America, uh, under Joe Biden probably wa- was as bad as that, and if you look at what, uh, you know, Elon and the boys uncovered with, with-

    21. JR

      Doge

    22. RL

      ... with USAID and, and, uh-

    23. JR

      Oh, it's crazy

    24. RL

      ... all of the, all the misallocation of taxpayer funds-

    25. JR

      Yes

    26. RL

      ... all over the world, a lot of it to England.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. RL

      Some of it came to woke, woke causes in England.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. RL

      So look, whoever the architects of this are, whether it's the World Economic Forum, whoever they are, whether it's the Bilderbergers, whether it's the Council on Foreign Relations, whether it's... Whatever malign influence is trying to do this, we, we have to collectively try and reverse it. So I'm, I'm saying to people, "If you want, I will do my damnedest to reverse it." You know, I've run multiple businesses. Uh, I, I was in the City of London for 20 years, so I know about finance, and I will commit to doing whatever I can to reverse this-

  11. 1:13:05 – 1:40:46

    Institutions, censorship, and policing: social-media arrests, two-tier enforcement, and Tommy Robinson debate

    1. RL

      most hideous rate of interest on it.

    2. JR

      And do you guys have-

    3. RL

      Which all needs to be changed

    4. JR

      ... the same laws in terms of bankruptcy over there?

    5. RL

      We do have bankruptcy laws, yeah.

    6. JR

      But do you have bankruptcy, like-

    7. RL

      Student debt, you won't be bankrupted over student debt though, because, because the student debt, they just accrue the interest. Uh, if you go and work in a foreign country, uh, uh, often you don't have to pay the student debt back. I think it's a 30-year, uh, uh, liability. But once you start working, then the student debt organization will take interest and principal out of your salary.

    8. JR

      In America, you, they for- if you go bankrupt, they'll forgive credit card debt, all sorts of other debt, but not student loan. It's the one loan that you cannot ever be forgiven from. In fact, people who have Social Security in America, their Social Security gets docked because they owe student loans.

    9. RL

      Is that right? I didn't know that.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. RL

      I didn't know that.

    12. JR

      It's crazy. Imagine you're at the end of your life, you're living on Social Security, and they're taking pieces of it for an education that clearly didn't help you out.

    13. RL

      Well, I don't know about you, but in England, we've got these ridiculous courses in sort of humanities and sort of things that are completely abstruse.

    14. JR

      Oh, sure. Yeah.

    15. RL

      And, and these, these, these kids go and do the, the, the, these, these what I call bullshit degrees, and at the end of the day they come out of it with a load of debt-

    16. JR

      Right

    17. RL

      ... and no real skills.

    18. JR

      No skills and a, and a completely ideologically captured mind.

    19. RL

      Very much so.

    20. JR

      Yeah. It's, um, that's, it's... And there's not a lot of other alternatives. It's like most universities are left-leaning.

    21. RL

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      You know? And that's, that's the issue that these kids have. You're, even if you're from a conservative family or if the kids grow up a certain way, send them off to college, and they're very impressionable, and they're going to get talked down to by a professor who's a communist, who's never had a real job in his life, and he seems so smart, and he's very smug, and he insults you if you disagree with him. And he is the ruler of the classroom. And everybody, like, like little kids, they just give in to this guy's ideas. The next thing you know, you're, you're organizing on school grounds and you're doing all the st- same things that the other communists are doing, and you're, you're a part of the team. "Hey, we're a nice... We're gonna fix the world." And you don't realize how ridiculous it is until, like, maybe you're 35 and you have a job, and then you have a family, and you're like, "What the fuck are we doing?" Like, what is this?

    23. RL

      It does change, doesn't it?

    24. JR

      Oh, 100%.

    25. RL

      But Oxford's the worst.

    26. JR

      I mean, it's, it's the old expression-

    27. RL

      I mean, Oxford, Oxford contains-

    28. JR

      ... show me a young man... Who, who's the, who quoted that? Who was that quote from? Show me a young man who's not a li- a... Was it liberal or is it progressive or whatever it is. Some- show me a young man-

    29. RL

      Yeah

    30. JR

      ... who's not a liberal and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old man who's not conservative and I'll show you a man without a brain.

  12. 1:40:46 – 1:47:33

    From rape gangs to governance: quangos, judiciary power, jury trials, and restoring parliamentary supremacy

    1. RL

      But in our immigration document, we put forward, you know, the case for a z- you know, basically a, a hostile environment. We don't want to be handing out welfare.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. RL

      We don't want to be encouraging people to come. We want to create a hostile environment and encourage people to go, uh, unless they're contributing, to go back to their own country, uh, and, and live there, particularly if they don't like our culture and our laws, and they don't respect us, and they think we're the infidel. Uh-

    4. JR

      But do, do laws exist that would allow you to ex- to deport those people? Like-

    5. RL

      Well, you'd have to repeal. So that's why, that's why it's so important we win an overall majority in, in Parliament by '29, because then we can repeal a lot of this legislation, which will then empower the nation state again.

    6. JR

      So this is the legislation that provides healthcare, dental, welfare, housing to these people.

    7. RL

      This is legislation largely passed by Tony Blair and his acolytes.

    8. JR

      And this was all just to encourage mass migration.

    9. RL

      I think it was to encourage this mass immigration and make it very difficult to stop it practically. Interestingly, he's quite crafty 'cause he came out the other day trying to distance himself from a lot of the things that he, he has actually created. So he's, he's quite a canny old fox, and he does look... He looks a bit like Beelzebub these days. I mean, he's got this white hair and these piercing sort of eyes. I, I, I-

    10. JR

      [laughs]

    11. RL

      ... I can't help look at him and, and, and think of evil. But, but look, so he ultimately, uh, uh, I think him and his team realize what they... They realized what they were doing, and he had, he had... It was all done through the law. You have to do in a, in a country that believes in the rule of law, the only way to change it is through control of Parliament. So you have to do it top-down through the parliamentary system, so that you can repeal the laws, and you can pass the laws you want to pass to en- en- empower the nation state. And at the same time, which we're doing, you need to start controlling local government as well, 'cause local government's gone badly wrong. And a lot of the failures from the, from the rape gang inquiry weren't just the national government. You had failure at local government as well, so-

    12. JR

      So is... Are the local government willfully ignorant? Are they denying its existence?

    13. RL

      Well, in the case-

    14. JR

      Are they gaslighting people on it? Like-

    15. RL

      Yeah. In the case of Labour, they, they've enabled it. You know, they, they, they... I, I say I can't see how anybody can ever vote Labour again after they've read this report because Labour has clearly enabled this, both at national level by denying what's been going on- And at local local level where you've, where you have local government, so and it happens mainly in labor-controlled areas, you've got people denying completely that this has been happening. W- whereas we know it's happening. We have people like Sammy Woodhouse who's a victim of it, who had a, a child by her, by her rapist. So, so ultimately local government has to be controlled from the bottom up, and we started that process. We won, uh, nine out of nine county council seats in Norfolk. So my constituency is on the, the coast in England, so it's a coastal constituency. Been very badly served by the post-war elite, so the fishermen in England have been sold down the river, uh, to, to largely to the European, uh, fishermen as part of the membership of the EU. So Norfolk is a, is a county on the east coast. It's, it's got rich farmland, and farming's my passion. I, I love farming. I absolutely... It's my hobby, and I love it. So I, at the end of the day, we have to control local government and change it bottom up, and we have to then get control of national government and change it top down.

    16. JR

      I would imagine there's gonna be-

    17. RL

      And, and if we can do that, Joe, I truly think if we can... I truly think we can release the spirit of the British people, and I think they want it. But they've gotta show, they've gotta show through the ballot box that that's what they want.

    18. JR

      I'd imagine there's gonna be an enormous amount of resistance to this kind of huge change.

    19. RL

      From organized crime, which I think we're now in the hands of, from a corrupt judiciary, from a police force that's, that's gone wrong, uh, from local government that's gone wrong. The NHS has gone wrong. Again, it's, it's, it's a state monopoly and, and it, it, its original function, I think, has been subverted. So, so, uh, you've got, you've got everything, to your point, the education system is wrong, so there's a lot of change that needs to happen. But I think fundamentally the electorate, you saw them in 2016 vote to take back their sovereignty. The government wrote a letter, uh, to all the households in the UK recommending they vote to remain in the European Union. This is David Cameron. But actually the British people didn't. They voted to leave, and they didn't do it, I think, for financial reasons. They did it 'cause they wanted their country back. They wanted their sovereignty back. They wanted an accountable parliament in Westminster. And some of our problems emanate from the fact that Tony Blair's reforms have undermined our parliament. So our parliament is supposed to be omnipotent. It's supposed to be completely contained in the elected representatives of the people. So, so parliament is supposed to be right at the top of the chain. But what's happened is it's been undermined by these quangos that Tony Blair set up, which has effectively created a life of their own, so the Supreme Court. And literally there are hundreds of these quangos that now employ unelected people.

    20. JR

      You c- what is that word, quango?

    21. RL

      Well, quango is a, like a quasi national government organization.

    22. JR

      Okay.

    23. RL

      So, so they, they are, you know, you've got all sorts of bodies, you know, the, the, the sort of Bar Standards Board. You've got loads of bodies which now, uh, prevail. You know, you've got bodies on almost everything, which, which again, have, have flourished since Tony Blair's legislation. Prior to that, uh, power lay with parliament. So that's why they've been able to control a, a lot of what goes on because the two-party system, the blues and the reds, the Tories and, and Labor, basically have, have tried to out-compete each other. So the entire parliament, uh, Blair took it left, Cameron emulated Blair, and you didn't actually get proper conservative thought, uh, to change, uh, a lot of this stuff that was wrong. So I think, I think, uh, I think this is an opportunity, and I, I think it's our last opportunity, and I, and, and, and all the help we can get from, from you guys. I mean, we made a bad mistake in, in, in, in letting you declare your independence, which you're celebrating tomorrow in the first place.

    24. JR

      [laughs] Bad mistake.

    25. RL

      Had we, had we played our cards better, I think you'd still be, you'd still, should still be part of, part of, uh, uh, uh, of-

    26. JR

      I think it worked out

    27. RL

      ... what's going on. It's worked out pretty well for you-

    28. JR

      I think we're better off

    29. RL

      ... but not so well for us.

    30. JR

      Sorry. I, but I think we're better off. [laughs]

  13. 1:47:33 – 1:54:21

    Broader decline themes: universities/ideology, COVID policy fallout, and distrust of institutions

    1. RL

      see-

    2. JR

      Otherwise it would be under your laws.

    3. RL

      [laughs] Well, I do want to see the Anglo-Saxon world support each other. I think-

    4. JR

      Yeah

    5. RL

      ... there's not enough of that. We're too fragmented. There's too much sort of, whether it's the World Economic Forum, as I said, what- what- what- whatever the reason, there's too much fragmentation and too much undermining of, of this cohesive, uh, Anglo-Saxon world, which, let's face it, is the reason why we all have individual freedom because, as we said earlier, individual freedom is incredibly fragile.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. RL

      And we could, we could lose it at any minute, Joe.

    8. JR

      I mean, the, the society that w- you know, the way we look at America wh- in, when people look at it the right way or wh- when people are proud of America, they look at it as a place where anybody can come and achieve your dreams. And it's, it, it doesn't mean only white people. It doesn't mean only Black people.

    9. RL

      No.

    10. JR

      It just means Americans. We're supposed to be a community, a team, you know? And the fact that we're a melting pot, that we're not like, you know, indigenous white people like England, is part of the fun of it all, that everyone's welcome. Just come over here and do your thing and follow the rules. But the problem with this country is the problem with any country when you're being run by people that are completely corrupt, and you're being run by people that are influenced by enormous corporations that don't care-

    11. RL

      Yeah

    12. JR

      ... about the people, they only care about the bottom line, how much money they're making, and how do they, how do they rig things. And, and then you have politicians that are making $170,000 a year, but they're somehow worth $400 million-

    13. RL

      [laughs]

    14. JR

      ... and no one questions it, and no one's in jail. The whole thing is bonkers, and it's just, you're always gonna have crooks, and you g- you gotta hold 'em off. You gotta hold 'em off as much as possible. When you recognize they're in, you gotta do a cleaning. You gotta clean house. You gotta clean house and get rid of 'em. If you don't, you're just gonna have... The problem's just gonna get worse because they're gonna figure out, okay, it's just like antibiotics when you don't take the full round and the, the stuff doesn't really go down, you say, "No, well, now you got medication-resistant bacteria." Congratulations, your medication has made the bacteria worse.

    15. RL

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      So if you fight off the corruption a little bit and then you stop, they go, "Oh, well we gotta... We were close. We almost figured it all out and got it all rigged, but now we gotta make sure that we lock people down and have even more laws and even more restrictions," and [sighs]

    17. RL

      Well, you've, you've summed up what we need to do in the UK very well. I mean, we are, I think, in the hands of organized crime. I, I think a lot of the institutions that we had previously have become rotten.

    18. JR

      I think it's the right way to recognize it, too. To-

    19. RL

      It is, it's in the...

    20. JR

      Yeah

    21. RL

      And, and, and to your point, you know, we do need to now punish people who've let us down.

    22. JR

      Yeah, it's crime.

    23. RL

      It's crime.

    24. JR

      It really is crime. And, and to, to just pretend, because it's been going on for so long and that it's business as usual, that it's not a crime. Like, no, it's crime. It's crime. It's just somehow or other crime that's tolerated.

    25. RL

      Well, letting down people who've elected you and given their trust to you is, is a massive crime. It's, it's, a- and-

    26. JR

      Not just letting down, betraying them

    27. RL

      ... I mean, we, we have the same as you-

    28. JR

      Yeah

    29. RL

      ... but to a lesser extent, 'cause you, you've obviously got far more wealth than us. But like, you see these officials, uh, who end up becoming rich, and you wonder how they do it.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  14. 1:54:21 – 2:03:04

    UK political outlook: economic stagnation, state expansion, election timing, and Lowe’s pitch for change

    1. JR

      I'm glad you brought that part up, because w- we're not really aware in America of what the general mood of the country is. Like, where, where people are leaning and what direction, uh, as far as England goes. What is it like? Are, are, is a large percentage of the population fed up? I mean, what, what's going on over there?

    2. RL

      Well, I think it... To your point, you've got this body of people who are profiting on the back of these concepts which are, you and I would agree, are completely flawed. So they're obviously, they're obviously in control at the moment. But then you've got the body of people, this, this increasingly small percentage of what I call the private sector, which now accounts for a smaller and smaller proportion of GDP. So, so your percentage of GDP, uh, uh, accounted for by the state is much, much smaller than ours. So our... I mean, um, directly and indirectly, I, I, I, I would estimate that our, that our, uh, the share of government now in our, in our economy is, is w- over 50%, if you take the, the effect of these quangos and everything else. Here, you're much smaller than that. Now that's come, you know- Pre-Blair, Thatcher, we, we were in a very, very good economic state, and the state accounted for, you know, whatever it was, 30, 33%, something like that. It's now up to nearly 50% and rising. And, and this is what the, the Fabians want. They want a dependency culture.

    3. JR

      Right.

    4. RL

      A sort of centrally planned, USSR-style, uh, uh, dishing out of taxpayer funds. So they've diminished the private sector, which they're taxing into oblivion, which has meant that a lot of our most able people have left the country. So we've lost... A lot of our rainmakers have gone. So a lot of our best people, uh, went to, obviously, Italy, to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi, uh, all, all over the world. Some of them would have come here. Uh, so the best brains, um, uh, have, have gone. Uh, and, and I think the non-doms have gone, which again, I think is a huge error because they've now been taxed rather than being encouraged to, to, to spend their time in the UK. So, so, so, so we're being hollowed out by this socialist philosophy, which is creating, uh, uh, damage to the private sector and em- empowering, uh, the, the, the public sector.

    5. JR

      Is there a large percentage of young people that are aware of this?

    6. RL

      Oh, the young people have... I've, I've been incredibly impressed, and a lot of them support us. So they, you know, they can see that we're trying, I think, to at least rebalance this. And until we get this right, it's going to be very difficult to, to sort their situation out. Now, there's no overnight fix these days, and, and I don't know-

    7. JR

      Yeah

    8. RL

      ... uh, I don't think any of us know quite what effect AI is going to have on, on the employment market, on, on, on opportunities for young people. Uh, I mean, in many ways, if they've got a very good brain, they've got the, a huge opportunity to, to, to do very well and enrich themselves. But increasingly, it's fewer and fewer people. It's not like the Industrial Revolution, where the majority of people had an increasing standard of living. It's gonna be very interesting to see how we all cope with, with this, uh, incredibly fast-moving, uh, revolution, which is what it is, which is, which is arguably, uh, going to create some incredibly rich people. And, uh, those people who haven't got the brainpower will end up struggling.

    9. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    10. RL

      So it's... I, I... It's hard to see how that's going to end. But that doesn't mean to say we want a, a state central planning everything.

    11. JR

      Of course.

    12. RL

      Uh, we know historically that doesn't work. And, and, and from that comes a sort of shutdown of thought and, and, and debate and, and free speech, and all the things that, that you and I, I love. I mean, I, I... That, to me, that's, that's a country I want to live in. I don't want to live in a centrally planned mess. So, so I, I... It, it... We're, we're in very uncertain times, but I, I'm, I'm optimistic that if you release the ability, the innate ability of, of, of people, uh, i- in Britain in particular in this case, I think we can turn it round still. Can't guarantee it, but I'm pretty sure we can still turn it round. But it's, it's gotta happen now. If it doesn't happen now, it will have gone too far.

    13. JR

      Well, I certainly hope you can because, uh, for America, when we see what's happening, particularly with the social media posts and the arrests, it's so disturbing for us. And then, of course, with your, the rape gang inquiry report was impossible to believe.

    14. RL

      I know.

    15. JR

      It's im- it's, it's impossible. So, you know, we, um, we hope you guys turn it around. And when is your elections?

    16. RL

      We don't know, Joe. Uh, we've got this character, Andy Burnham, who... Keir Starmer has stepped down, as you probably know.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. RL

      Andy Burnham, I call him the Ghostbuster, uh, he is just a more user-friendly version of, of, of Keir Starmer. He's been the mayor of Manchester. He stood in a by-election recently, uh, where he was elected. Uh, and he's apparently going to be anointed as prime minister, uh, by the 20th of July. So this is a guy who, up until recently, wasn't even an elected politician. He's been a politician in the past.

    19. JR

      So-

    20. RL

      He's been in the cabinet

    21. JR

      ... Keir Starmer can just step down and put another guy in his place, and that guy takes over?

    22. RL

      That's, that's what's happening at the moment.

    23. JR

      That sounds crazy.

    24. RL

      I know. I know.

    25. JR

      What a stupid way to run things.

    26. RL

      I know. It's, it's, it's bonkers.

    27. JR

      [exhales]

    28. RL

      But so, so, so the answer to your question is-

    29. JR

      So what else could happen?

    30. RL

      ... it could run till '29. That's-

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