Joe Rogan Experience #2528 - Cassie Coppersmith

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

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2. 0:02 – 2:21

   Liangzhu nephrite jade artifacts: bi discs and cong (sung) tubes that look machined

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] How are you?

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith0:13

      Great. How are you doing, Joe?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Very nice to meet you.

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith0:15

      Nice to meet you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I've enjoyed your content online.

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith0:17

      Thank you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      [laughs]

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith0:18

      [laughs]

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I, the first, I got first introduced to you by a video you did with, uh, uh, his channel's Megalithic Marvels.

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith0:25

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah, and it was about ancient Chinese artifacts that don't make any sense.

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith0:31

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       And, uh, it was so fascinating. The moment I saw it, I reached out to my guy, I was like, "I gotta talk to her"-

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith0:37

       Yeah

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       ... 'cause this is crazy. So b- please explain to people what these artifacts are, and what's so bizarre about them.

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith0:44

       I, I first saw these artifacts in, uh, the British Museum. So they have an entire whole wall full of them, and they're, they're made of nephrite jade, which is an extremely hard stone. Um, and they just look, they look machined. They look way too precise for the, the tools that they say built them. So I started doing some research. I haven't been to the site in China. It's, it was built by the Liangzhu culture, or so archaeologists say. Um, but it, the, it's a two different kinds of artifacts that are really famous. One is called a sung tube, which is a tall tube that's circular in the middle and square on the outside, and extremely precise geometry. The other one are these big, round bi discs that almost look like a giant flat donut, that are perfectly flat on top. You know, there's the precision versions of these, just like you see all over the world, and there are versions that are, uh, much cruder. So it almost seems like the civilization had this... My, my theory is this, these were not unlike the hard stone bases in Egypt. Um, so it was something that this culture either was gifted or found, and it turned into a very cherished object, like a grave good for them. So you find these tombs in Liangzhu, China, that have literally thousands of these jade artifacts in them. Um, and it's not unlike the hard stone bases that you see in Egypt, where you find those in the graves as well.

3. 2:21 – 5:53

   How could they drill jade? Experimental archaeology vs. artifact drill marks

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      So what are, what's the timeline where these pieces are attributed to?

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith2:25

      So these are really old. I mean, the, the earthworks and the, um, the c- the community around the Liangzhu culture is securely dated by archaeologists to, like, 3400 BC. And then, you know, just so it's about the same actually as the graves that were in Egypt, um, with the hard stone bases. So it's ver- it's very, very old.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      And th- the, at the time of this culture-

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith2:55

      Mm-hmm

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      ... what were their tools? Like, do we know?

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith2:57

      Well, the, the archaeologists say that it w- that it was made with, um, strings. So they would take strings with sand or some sort of an abrasive, and they would cut the jade that way. And then they would, uh, they would use copper tools, stone hammers, those kinds of things to shape it. So the, the explanation-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:17

      You say that with a giant smile on your face. Wh-

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith3:18

      The explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. And even, you know, the hole down the middle of the bi disc is a perfect... I mean, it, you can see the drill marks on the inside of the bi disc, or of the sung disc.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:28

      Can we, do we have some images of these things?

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith3:30

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       Let's take a look at them.

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith3:31

       Jamie, I have, um, a China-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       Yeah

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith3:33

       ... folder.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       'Cause the images on, uh, and, uh, by the way, that channel, Megalithic Marvels, Derek's channel, excellent. Really fun.

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith3:40

       So great.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Great stuff.

   18. CCCassie Coppersmith3:41

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       So-

   20. CCCassie Coppersmith3:41

       Derek is the one that got me into all this.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       Shout out to Derek. Um-

   22. CCCassie Coppersmith3:44

       Shout out to Derek.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       So this is, how do you say it? How do you pronounce that? Bi disc.

   24. CCCassie Coppersmith3:49

       Bi disc.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Bi disc.

   26. CCCassie Coppersmith3:50

       Correct. Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       Bi disc. And, um, how big is this?

   28. CCCassie Coppersmith3:53

       So that thing's about nine inches across.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       And-

   30. CCCassie Coppersmith3:56

       Perfectly, perfectly circular. Perfectly flat surface on the top.
4. 5:53 – 9:49

   Re-carving and ‘claiming’ older objects: the King of Jade Sung and Egyptian parallels

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      Wow. Um, so when, uh, what is like, what's, out of all these, uh, different artifacts, what's the most puzzling one to you?

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith6:04

      The sung tube-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:05

      Which is the one on the left-hand side there

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith6:06

      ... correct. Yep. So that, you know, that is a, it's larger on top, smaller on the bottom, perfectly 90-degree corners. Um, it's got a round tube in the middle, but the artifact in general is square. So it's just a very complex shape to create with that level of precision, and nephrite jade is a very, a very hard stone. So it would've taken, you know, this is a ... People in my space talk about the Mohs scale of hardness just as a way of saying diamonds are a 10, you know, different, different stone levels. The, the, um, the s- hard stone disks, like diorite, that would be a six or seven. This is the same. It's, it's that hard.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      Wow. And so is the idea, um, well, I'm just assuming the idea, is that there was a more sophisticated culture that probably existed predating that, and these are leftover artifacts?

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith7:05

      It is only my opinion that that's the case. I haven't seen a lot of people talk about these artifacts at all. Um, Jamie, if you go back to the picture you had just flashed on the screen, the reason I've developed this theory, so this is an image on the side of the largest, uh, sung tube. It's called the King of Jade Sung. It's a 15, uh, pound artifact that was found, and you can see the raised stone, so it's the high relief carvings that were later etched over. That etching is, has become very famous. If you look at photos of the museum in Liangzhu, this image is everywhere, and I think that this was an image that was used by, uh, the Liangzhu tribe as like the, the image of the king, basically. And so I, but I do believe that it was scratched over the top of an original, very, uh, interesting high relief carving that you see in a lot of other artifacts. Um, so I think that he basically found this. It looks, um, it's something that they maybe could not recreate, and then they kinda stamped their, uh, their kingly symbol over the top of it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      So this is, um, ver- it's common in Egypt as well, the, and, uh, particularly this theory among alternative historians because you look at the complexity of, uh, some of the sarcophaguses and some of the different things that, and then you see the writing on the outside, which looks, like, cruder. The, the, the writing's not as precise. The cutting is not as precise. There's a lot of, like, chips to it.

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith8:39

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:39

      It doesn't look like they used the same materials or the same, uh, utensils u- or, or tools.

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith8:46

       Yeah, and you know, the question is, if you had the ability, there's the King of Jade Sung. So if you had the ability to make an artifact in that kind of a shape, why would you not have also created the scratching over the top in that high, that high-quality version? So why would you create the artifact like that and then just scratch over the top of it, right? It doesn't make sense.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       Well, it's, there's always, that's always been the case that history shows that people who are controlling a region will take credit for everything. They'll take credit for all the ancient stuff, too. They'll put their name on it.

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith9:20

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       They own everything.

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith9:21

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       You know, and that's famous f- with pharaohs. They, they did it with everything. And th- this is documented. We know that they wrote their name on things that they didn't create.

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith9:29

       Yeah. Ramses II was King Selfie, you know? He-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       [laughs]

   18. CCCassie Coppersmith9:33

       He put his cartouche on everything.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       Yeah, which is, I mean, it sounds like what a dictator does. It sounds like what a pharaoh would do.

   20. CCCassie Coppersmith9:40

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:41

       You know, it doesn't mean that they made it, and for us to just assume that they did knowing that people in great power behave that way is kinda, kinda crazy.

   22. CCCassie Coppersmith9:49

       Mm-hmm.

5. 9:49 – 13:38

   Cassie’s origin story: Egypt, ‘Secrets in Stone,’ and looking beyond the usual sites

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:49

      That's our map of history. So w- how did you get down this road where you started looking at these objects and looking at the, uh, the conventional historical timeline and saying, "Something's wrong here"?

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith10:03

      Specific to the-

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Yeah

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith10:04

      ... Chinese artifacts?

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:04

      Yeah. Or, or were you already on that path when you found the Chinese artifacts?

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith10:09

      I, I've been on this path for a while, and you know, the, my, the name of my channel is Secrets in Stone, and it, the reason I named it that is because I believe that the stones speak to you. They will show you exactly what the story is, right? Um, so with these artifacts, just like the hard stone de- or hard stone vases, uh, it just is out of place, you know? It doesn't make any sense, and especially in the British Museum when you look at these with your own eyes, um, and then you read the story of how they believe that they were made, you know, it's, it just doesn't c- it doesn't add up. And so all you have to do, you know, in any of these places, is dig one or two levels down, and you start to, start to see a lot of inconsistencies.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:51

      One or two levels d- so meaning that the older stuff is the more complex.

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith10:55

      Yeah, or, um, with the way that the archeologists have interpreted a lot of these sites, there's a whole lot of, uh, assumptions that are made, you know? There's, there's carbon dating that only goes partway down. Uh, you know, th- they'll dig partway down. They'll date it. It matches their story, and they write the report. They'll take inscriptions, you know, especially in Cambodia, places like that, where a king has written an inscription, and they'll say, "Yep, well, that king wrote on this, so this must've been made at this time." And there's really no, no further investigation. Um, so it's, it's become a theme with my work, um, where I'll go somewhere, specifically with the megalithic, uh, architecture. You can, you can see exactly where the old architecture was built. Oftentimes it's the lowest level, and then you can see where other cultures have come later and built on top of it, and it just looks, it looks like a, a, just a copy of what's underneath. It's like they were really trying to make what they saw, but they just couldn't. And so once you've kinda trained your eye for that, you go anywhere in the world and you see it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:08

      How did you start looking at this stuff?

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith12:10

       Um, I went to, well I went to Egypt four years ago and watched Ben van Kerkwijk's videos. You know Ben.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       Sure.

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith12:18

       Um-

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:19

       He's awesome

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith12:19

       ... so I watched a couple of his videos on the way to Egypt. That was my first kind of introduction to this, and then it just became a bit of a obsession for me. Um, I like to go to the sites around the world that other people don't really go to. So, um, you know, I think Egypt and Peru and Turkey, that's, it's all in good hands, right? Ben's, Ben's watching over Egypt. We've got Brien Foerster down in Peru doing amazing work. Um, the sites I go to are the sites that nobody else really visits. Um, so I just got back from India a couple weeks ago. I spent a lot of time in Cambodia. I went to Thailand, and these are the sites that I think if you're trying to make a case or at least a, a strong enough case that people will consider, right, that there may be a different history than what we're being told, um, I think you have to have more than three examples. So if you can start to, to do a lot of research on these sites all around the world, um, you can have thousands of examples of nubs, for example-

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       Yeah

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith13:26

       ... or megalithic architecture that looks very similar, these walls that look very similar all over the world, and it just ma- in my mind, it makes a much stronger case for it than just continuing to look at the same sites over and over again.

6. 13:38 – 21:51

   India’s stone mysteries: lathe-turned pillars, ‘machining,’ and precision planning

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:38

      It seems to me so much more likely that the, the timeline is incorrect than the historians are right, and everyone else is just a conspiracy theorist weirdo. It, I, the, the more you look at it, the more, the more questions I have. Like, that Kailasa temple in India.

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith13:57

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:57

      We've gone over that a few times, but Jamie pointed out something, that they brought in a b- w- was it, like, an army to try to destroy it?

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith14:04

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:05

      And they barely put a dent in the damn thing.

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith14:07

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      And they, they stayed for a long time. They tried to smash it up, and they couldn't do shit to it.

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith14:12

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:12

      And then you go, "Okay, well w- how did they make this? What did they u-" And I saw a, a really wild, uh, YouTube video the other day where this guy was proposing that they used lasers, and that it was all laser carved, and that they had some sort of, like, super sophisticated laser set up back then. That's why you're not finding all the stone that was-

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith14:31

       Yeah. Well, you know, it-

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       I'm like, "What?" [laughs]

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith14:33

       [laughs]

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       Wait a minute.

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith14:34

       Look, I think that's absolutely possible, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       It sounds possible but also so insane that we're so wrong-

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith14:41

       Yeah

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       ... about the linear timeline of human history, that they had fucking lasers in India, like, how many thousands of years ago-

   18. CCCassie Coppersmith14:49

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       ... that they were using to carve an entire massive perfect temple out of rock?

   20. CCCassie Coppersmith14:56

       You know, I was just down at the Hoysala temples, which are in Southern India, and they have these lathes, lathe-turned pillars. The pillars are feet across. They're huge. And you walk up to them, and you look at them closely, and you can see the lathe marks on them. And archeologists concede that they're lathe-turned, but they don't concede that it's machined. So they basically say, "Well, maybe they were turned on a lathe. We'll give you that, but that was probably human-powered or animal-powered." Yeah, so these are-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Oh, my God

   22. CCCassie Coppersmith15:27

       ... these are the statue, or the, uh, lathe-turned pillars in Southern India. I was just looking at these with my own eyes a couple weeks ago. It's completely unexplainable, and to think of the size of the machine that would be required. You, say you turn that pillar sideways. You connect it to a machine on each side, and you start lathing. Um, Jamie, I have a folder in my India, [clears throat] uh, pictures that-

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       God, that's so pretty

   24. CCCassie Coppersmith15:55

       ... that has lots of ev- So what you can see at sites like Hampi in India is you can see the evidence of lathing. So it almost looks like the setup that they would've used to carve these kinds of pillars, and it's just sitting in kind of far-flung corners of these sites. Nobody addresses what they are. Um, and, and so the evidence is everywhere of this. It's just not, you know, it's written, it's written off. It's like, "Well, that must've been an animal-powered lathe."

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       [laughs]

   26. CCCassie Coppersmith16:27

       You know, so I, I do think we have strong evidence for machining in ancient history, and in my mind, it doesn't have to be machines. You know, there, there could have been other ways that they were doing this that we don't even recognize.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       So what is this that we're looking at?

   28. CCCassie Coppersmith16:40

       So this is in, um, this is at the museum in Hampi in Southern India, and that to me looks like the lef- So it looks like where a pillar might have been placed, and the machine was spinning, um, you know, some sort of a lathing machine. So I, I think it's, like, the, you know, the other side of these pillars basically.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Like, the, the end plates.

   30. CCCassie Coppersmith17:04

       Yeah, exactly.
7. 21:51 – 23:05

   Dating by inscriptions: Cambodia as a case study in interpretive leaps

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:51

      What, so what is the timeline that they attribute to the construction of these?

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith21:55

      Oh, you know, 1200 to 1500 AD.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:58

      And why do they say that?

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith22:00

      Because the kings that ruled during that time period wrote inscriptions on the pillars in a lot of instances, on the sides of the temples, things like that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:09

      Yeah.

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith22:11

      It's a- it's all-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:11

      It seems like-

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith22:12

      ... inscriptional evidence

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:12

      ... I would need more evidence, you know?

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith22:15

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:15

       [laughs]

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith22:15

       Well, what's really interesting, I've done a lot of-

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:17

       That sounds great. That's graffiti. [laughs]

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith22:19

       Yeah, I've done a lot of research in Cambodia, and they, they date all of their, uh, all of their temples based on inscriptions. And when you actually run these inscriptions through AI and you translate them, they've all been translated from Sanskrit to French. I then translated it from French to English. And when you read what the kings actually wrote, very seldom do they say, "I, King So-and-So, built this." What they say is, "I installed a lingam. I brought a, a, you know, I brought a, a statue to this temple." And so the archaeologists make a fairly big jump between what the kings actually wrote and saying, "Well, this king must have built this." So in a lot of instances, they're actually putting words into, into their mouths.

8. 23:05 – 27:03

   Pre-flood civilizations and layered building: Egypt vs. Peru vs. India aesthetics

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:05

      Wow. Um, so what is your belief in terms of the timeline of the construction of these things?

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith23:13

      I mean, it, in the oldest instances, it, I, I personally believe that it's pre-flood, so, you know, more than 12,000 years ago. I think there are some that are probably older. Very, you know... Uh, Peru is-- I just got back from Peru a couple of months ago. That's fully unexplainable. You've talked about Peru on your show many times. Egypt is incredibly ancient. I actually believe that India is one of the most ancient places on Earth. Um, and were they, were they different civilizations building there? What they built suggests that it probably was. Were they in contact with each other? I believe they were. You know, there's enough similarities around the world that it feels like there was a communication network between them. But when you look at the actual building styles between, take those three examples, India, Egypt, and Peru, they're completely different, right? E- Egypt is very just, uh, just blocks, very few decorations, especially in places like the Osireion. It doesn't... It's just, um, it- It, it almost looks—it's, like, clinical, you know? But then you're in Peru, and it's playful. There, there are these big pillowy blocks, and then you go to India, and there's carvings all over everything, right? And so I do believe that there are certain places in this world that are substantially older, and I believe that for thousands of years, civilizations have been-- They're attracted to these places, and they build on top of them, and they settle there, and so you just see generation after generation after generation of building on top of them.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:49

      Well, it makes sense when you think about Kailasa because look how perfect it is now, and this is thousands of years after they attribute it to being built, or at least a thousand years.

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith25:00

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:01

      And it looks like there's been zero erosion.

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith25:04

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:04

      Like, now add a few thousand years to that. It's gonna look exactly the same.

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith25:09

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:09

      And if you're just generation after generation, like, not knowing who built it, and you get a version of, uh, you know, this king said he did it or this guy said he did it. Like, how-- Add a few thousand years, and it's fucking guesswork.

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith25:23

       100%.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       And to have archeologists shift through dirt and find an inscription somewhere and go, "Oh, we nailed it," like, God, that's such a disservice to what the complexity of the mystery of what we're looking at is.

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith25:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       Like, just the Kailasa one is-- I am obsessed with that place. I've, I've watched like four or five documentaries on it and w- see, and w-we went over it on the podcast the other day with the CEO of Perplexity.

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith25:48

       I saw that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       It's like, it's fucking bananas.

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith25:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       It's so crazy how precise, and one mistake, and you're fucked.

   18. CCCassie Coppersmith25:55

       Yep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:56

       But yet it's all geometrically aligned. There's-- They have no idea what they did with all the stone.

   20. CCCassie Coppersmith26:02

       [laughs] That's the big question, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       That seems so crazy.

   22. CCCassie Coppersmith26:05

       They removed an entire cliff-side mountain and, you know, it was, it was-

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:10

       And they put it where?

   24. CCCassie Coppersmith26:10

       And they carved it from the top down.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       Yeah, and put it where? Would you do it at all?

   26. CCCassie Coppersmith26:13

       Good question.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       That's so much rock. That's not a little bit of rock. You would think there'd be some laying around.

   28. CCCassie Coppersmith26:19

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:19

       Even after thousands of years, you'd have, like, a pile somewhere. Like, fuck it. Anybody want some free stone? It's over there.

   30. CCCassie Coppersmith26:24

       [laughs]
9. 27:03 – 34:30

   Academic gatekeeping and paradigm fights: Clovis First, Schoch, and Göbekli Tepe

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:03

      A lot of the young ones.

   2. CCCassie Coppersmith27:04

      I would think so.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:04

      I've talked, I've talked to them. I've talked to them. Um, I think this is the hierarchal str- the hierarchal... What's the word? Hierarchy, the structure of academics and in terms of these guys that are teaching university courses and giving out PhDs and writing books, and they have a vast body of work that's all about the timeline.

   4. CCCassie Coppersmith27:25

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:25

      All about, you know, what they know, and they are the gatekeepers of information, and there's a lot of ego involved with academics. I'm sure you know that. And they get really shitty with each other, and they're vicious. They're vicious, and they attack each other even if they're wrong. Like, the, the whole Clovis First thing was, uh, the best example of that.

   6. CCCassie Coppersmith27:44

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan27:45

      The gentleman who proposed this theory that there were people here older than the Clovis people was destroyed-

   8. CCCassie Coppersmith27:51

      Yeah

   9. JRJoe Rogan27:52

      ... by, by his own peers, and it took years before it was proven that he was correct, and not, not only was he correct, but he was correct by, like, t- over 10,000 years.

   10. CCCassie Coppersmith28:01

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:01

       Like, now they're pushing it past 22,000 years ago 'cause of the, the footprints they found in White Sands, New Mexico.

   12. CCCassie Coppersmith28:06

       Right, the peopling of the Americas.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:07

       Yes.

   14. CCCassie Coppersmith28:08

       Absolutely.

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:08

       So humans have been here a long, long, long time, and th-this is just indicative of this pattern that happens whenever anybody comes up with any sort of an alternative theory that doesn't come from the gated halls of academia. They're just dismissed. But the, uh, but academics have only been around for a few hundred years. Like, we have to stop and think about how crazy it is that we've put the power in these people that we know are not always accurate, nor are they compromised, and they have ego problems.

   16. CCCassie Coppersmith28:37

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:37

       And they have this structure of the, the people at the top that are giving out grants and giving out funding and giving PhDs and reading people's dissertations. It's like, it's very social, and it's very complex, and to deviate from the narrative is devastating for your career.

   18. CCCassie Coppersmith28:58

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:58

       Like, if y- if they can destroy the guy who proposed that Clovis First was incorrect, that guy was a, a-an academic. He was established.

   20. CCCassie Coppersmith29:07

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       Imagine if you're a fucking PhD student, and you're like, "I think you guys are wrong." Well, you're fucked forever.

   22. CCCassie Coppersmith29:13

       You know, I used to work in corporate America, and there were a lot of things that I thought that I absolutely never said, right? So if you think about these young archeologists, even if they see something, and they think, "Gosh, I wish that I could dive into that and really explore how old this is," they're gonna get shut down immediately, and their self-preservation mechanisms [laughs] are gonna kick in-

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:34

       Yeah

   24. CCCassie Coppersmith29:34

       ... because they've got a paycheck. You know, you have to sympathize with the situation that they're in.

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       Oh, I do. I completely do.

   26. CCCassie Coppersmith29:40

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       Look, we've all worked for shitty bosses.

   28. CCCassie Coppersmith29:42

       [laughs]

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:42

       It's a terrible position to be in.

   30. CCCassie Coppersmith29:43

       Yeah.
10. 34:30 – 56:03

    Elongated skulls, trepanation, and ‘nonstandard’ human morphology claims

    1. JRJoe Rogan34:30

       ... no sense. And then you have the weirdness of these elongated heads that they find down there, these skulls that are absolutely real skulls. These are not hoaxes. They have a 30, 20 to 30% larger brain capacity-

    2. CCCassie Coppersmith34:45

       Yep

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:46

       ... in the skull.

    4. CCCassie Coppersmith34:47

       We ... I have personally seen elongated skulls in four different countries.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:51

       And it's not the same as skulls that were manipulated to be flattened.

    6. CCCassie Coppersmith34:56

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       That's what's different. So when people h- think about this, there's a, a very n- well-known practice where they would take boards and put them on children's heads to elongate their heads. The question is why were they doing that, and were they trying to emulate something-

    8. CCCassie Coppersmith35:10

       That's right

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:11

       ... that existed, another type of person that was here? Well, it seems like it, and it seems like these skulls that they find, particularly in Peru, the bones are larger. The, it's a larger face, and they have a larger brain capacity, and they don't have that sagittal ridge-

    10. CCCassie Coppersmith35:29

        Yep, the sagittal suture

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:30

        ... that sagittal suture that's down the middle. So they're literally a different kind of skull. It's clearly human or some form of human.

    12. CCCassie Coppersmith35:38

        Yep.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        But it has more brain volume, and it's built different than us, and everybody's like, " [whistles] I don't see anything." [whistles]

    14. CCCassie Coppersmith35:47

        Yep.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:48

        They're not like, "Hey, maybe there was a completely different species of human that existed along with o- just like Denisovans, just like Neanderthals," just like all these new ones that they keep finding w- fairly recently, like the one they found in China, the big-headed man. What was it, what was that one called again? Julienne's, Homo julienne's? This is like really recent. Like a few years ago they-

    16. CCCassie Coppersmith36:10

        Yeah

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:10

        ... found this. Like, okay, we, we don't have the picture, guys. We just don't. We don't have the full p- we don't have all the data, and when you have these fucking big skulls, and you're not even bringing that up, it makes me think like are you afraid to look at this? Because then you have to admit that you really didn't know this, and you were walking around saying you're an expert in the human timeline.

    18. CCCassie Coppersmith36:31

        Imagine some of the capabilities of, of these people with that much more brain volume. Could they speak telepathically? Could they move stones with their minds with sound? Right? We don't know what they were able to do. If you just unlock an additional 10% of your brain capacity, Joe Rogan's brain capacity, think of what... Think of all of the connections you would make. Think about all of the things you could do that you can't do now.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:59

        Like the movie Limitless.

    20. CCCassie Coppersmith36:59

        And now expand your brain volume by 30%, exactly like the movie Limitless.

    21. JRJoe Rogan37:02

        The Bradley Cooper movie, remember?

    22. CCCassie Coppersmith37:04

        Yes.

    23. JRJoe Rogan37:04

        Yeah, and ba- he kept the same size head. [laughs]

    24. CCCassie Coppersmith37:07

        Or the movie Lucy with Scarlett Johansson.

    25. SPSpeaker37:09

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:09

        That's the best one.

    27. CCCassie Coppersmith37:09

        Right? Just unlocking-

    28. JRJoe Rogan37:10

        Yeah

    29. CCCassie Coppersmith37:10

        ... her full brain.

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:11

        Yeah.
11. 56:03 – 1:16:40

    Cambodia deep dive: Angkor Wat’s layers, LIDAR revelations, and giant waterworks

    1. CCCassie Coppersmith56:03

       Yep. I mean, even in ... So, I've spent a lot of time researching Cambodia. If you look at the ... So, there are eight different pyramids in the immediate Angkor Wat area, and these pyramids are massive, and when you, when you walk up to them, you can see how incredibly ancient they are. And the, the dating on these pyramids are, you know, 900 AD to 1300 AD, so not very old, the official dating. But when you stare at the stones, you can see the same thing you see in Egypt. You see just ancient weathering patterns down the sides of them. You can see how the whole site has been rebuilt, and they don't talk about it, right? So the entire history of Cambodia, nobody, nobody is open at all to exploring that it might be older than 800 AD.

    2. JRJoe Rogan56:51

       Let's look at some photos of Angkor Wat, 'cause it, it's another incredibly bizarre place, and, um, when people use the conventional timeline to date it, it's not ... It's amazing, and it's beautiful, but it's not as crazy. When you really ... If, if, if you take into consideration that no one really knows when it was built, and the possibility that it's actually 11,000 years old, 12,000 years old, maybe even older-

    3. CCCassie Coppersmith57:19

       Mm-hmm

    4. JRJoe Rogan57:21

       ... it almost kind of makes sense.

    5. CCCassie Coppersmith57:24

       Have you done any-

    6. JRJoe Rogan57:25

       'Cause it would look just like that.

    7. CCCassie Coppersmith57:27

       Yeah. And the, the temples, or the towers inside the core of Angkor Wat, in my personal opinion, the core of Angkor Wat, it's got three different layers. The core, I think, is extremely old. It's got these five central towers. They look almost melted. So you can see the five in the middle. As you move out by each layer, all of the iconography in Angkor Wat changes. So in the center, it's all, um, deities. It's religious symbolism. As you move out, it becomes war scenes and elephants and battles, right? So you can see where each successive culture has built onto the outside of Angkor Wat. But the core of it, it, it looks enormously old.

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:10

       And let's get some photos of the core of it.

    9. CCCassie Coppersmith58:13

       Have you ever, have you ever discussed the LIDAR findings-

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:18

        Whoa

    11. CCCassie Coppersmith58:18

        ... around Angkor Wat?

    12. JRJoe Rogan58:19

        How cool is that? I have not.

    13. CCCassie Coppersmith58:19

        Mm. Jamie, I have some photos in my Cambodia folder.

    14. SPSpeaker58:23

        I'm trying to dance the line of, uh, looking at these before I switch over to your stuff.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:27

        God, look how beautiful that is.

    16. CCCassie Coppersmith58:29

        It-

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:29

        Look how the, the trees' roots are grown all around it.

    18. CCCassie Coppersmith58:33

        Cambodia is one of the most special places on this earth.

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:36

        Ooh.

    20. CCCassie Coppersmith58:37

        [laughs]

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:38

        Imagine what that was like during its prime.

    22. CCCassie Coppersmith58:40

        Oh.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:43

        Oh, God.

    24. CCCassie Coppersmith58:43

        That's the Bayon Temple, the temple with 218 faces.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:48

        Wow.

    26. CCCassie Coppersmith58:50

        Enormous faces.

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:51

        So, uh-

    28. SPSpeaker58:52

        Are those ... Is that, like ... Those are clearly different stones brought in.

    29. CCCassie Coppersmith58:55

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan58:55

        Yeah.
12. 1:16:40 – 1:29:10

    India’s Bahubali (Gommateshwara) statue: 1,000 tons, ‘machined’ finish, and crude inscriptions

    1. CCCassie Coppersmith1:16:40

       So I was, I was recently in India a couple weeks ago, and I saw something there that was the most impressive thing I've seen with my own two d- two eyes. It's called the Bahubali Statue. I have photos in the India folder. It's 1,000 tons. So it's as big as the biggest destroyed structures, or the biggest destroyed, um, statues in Egypt, but it's still standing. It's in India. It's on top of a mountain. It's made of granite. That's a person-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:17:13

       Whoa

    3. CCCassie Coppersmith1:17:14

       ... at the bottom of it.

    4. SPSpeaker1:17:15

       Oh.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:17:17

       Holy shit.

    6. SPSpeaker1:17:20

       Whoa.

    7. CCCassie Coppersmith1:17:22

       It's made of white granite. There's, you know, the jury's out on whether it was moved there, built somewhere else and moved there, or whether this was built at the top of the hill from living stone. But in my mind, this thing is clearly machined. It's absolutely perfect. Those ears are five and a half feet long.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:17:47

       Whoa.

    9. CCCassie Coppersmith1:17:48

       [laughs]

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:17:49

        Look at the lips and the fingernails and everything. Look how crazy the precision is.

    11. CCCassie Coppersmith1:17:55

        It's perfect. Look at the head. So these are all photos I took while I was there. It stands, you know, it's 60 feet tall. It's 1,000 tons. So it's the largest standing statue on Earth, uh, from ancient times.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:18:14

        And where's the stone supposedly coming from?

    13. CCCassie Coppersmith1:18:16

        Well, you know, the s- the story is, and I actually think I believe it, it, the whole mountain is granite And so in order for this thing... So that's just it poking out above the temple that's built around it. [laughs]

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:18:29

        That's mad.

    15. CCCassie Coppersmith1:18:30

        It's insane. The, you know, the story is that basically it was-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:18:34

        Look at the leaves on his arm

    17. CCCassie Coppersmith1:18:35

        ... that they built it out of living stone, that it's still connected to the mountain. And it kind of looks like that when you walk around it. You can see this rough stone at the bottom. But it, it looks very different than the stone from the mountain itself. So this is a white granite. Yeah, so you can see how it almost looks like living stone.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:18:55

        Mm-hmm.

    19. CCCassie Coppersmith1:18:56

        And I can't imagine how you could have erected that and moved it to the top of this mountain. Um, so I personally believe that it was, it was found, you know, it was built there, and it's still connected.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:19:07

        So it was, like, a large stone that was there.

    21. CCCassie Coppersmith1:19:09

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:19:09

        And they just went in and chiseled this statue out of it.

    23. CCCassie Coppersmith1:19:13

        Yep. It represents Bahubali, which was the, it's a Jain statue. Um, and Bahubali was a man who achieved enlightenment by standing still for a full year.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:19:25

        [laughs]

    25. CCCassie Coppersmith1:19:25

        So the ant and cobra hells at the bottom, and then the vines grew up around him.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:19:31

        Oh.

    27. CCCassie Coppersmith1:19:32

        So he's the picture of enlightenment.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:19:35

        Whoa.

    29. CCCassie Coppersmith1:19:36

        So just-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:19:36

        Wow
13. 1:29:10 – 1:41:13

    Shiva lingams as ‘pillar of fire and light’: water adjacency, orientation, and energy hypotheses

    1. CCCassie Coppersmith1:29:10

       Yeah. Even, uh, do you know what a Shiva lingam is?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:29:14

       No.

    3. CCCassie Coppersmith1:29:15

       Um, in my Cambodia fol- folder there's a, some photos of it. So in most of the Indian temples there's a Shiva lingam that's usually described as a, uh, you know, it's a, it's a male component inside a female component, so it's meant to represent both sides of the polarities. Um, and they're, they're at the entrance of most of these temples, and they're small. They're maybe like two or three feet long. But in Cambodia, there are giant Shiva lingams. There are ones that are, you know, probably almost 20 feet long. And you can, you can see those at sites like Koh Ker. You can see them at the top of Phnom Bok Mountain, which is right by one of the big borobudurs. Um, in India, the Shiva lingams are even bigger. If you go to the ancient texts and they talk about these things, they describe them as infinite pillars of light and fire. So are these Shiva lingam, these giant Shiva lingams, actually... They're not, I don't believe that they're what we say they are today. I think that they were extremely powerful. Maybe a, maybe a weapon? I don't think so. Maybe an energy device? But if you look at modern-day stonework and then you tie it into the old myths, you know, it, it, that's when it becomes really, really interesting to me. Yeah, so that Shiva Lingam that the, the man is standing on in the top right photo, that's at Hampi in India. Um, these are always surrounded by water. They're always in roofless shrines. This, you know, very megalithic temples. The one in the bottom right, that's not AI. That's a real photo of these Shiva Lingams. It's- That one's 40 feet high, originally in a roofless temple by large bodies of water. Were these actually... I mean, I think that these were all something very different than what we're being told today, which is just, you know, a, a spiritual carving.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:31:12

       So you think this has something to do with energy, and that's why they're surrounded by water?

    5. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:17

       Yeah, I mean, in the ancient texts, they're described as an infinite pillar of light and fire.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:31:23

       [laughs]

    7. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:23

       That's what a normal Shiva Lingam looks like that you see all over the temples.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:31:27

       Right, which is just like a beautiful fountain.

    9. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:29

       A, a very small version of, of these monumental ones that you can find in Cambodia and India.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:31:36

        That's very phallic looking. Yep. [laughs]

    11. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:38

        Yes.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:31:39

        So is this one. Yeah. Um, so go back to the big ones. Um. An infinite source of light-

    13. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:47

        Pillar

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:31:47

        ... pillar.

    15. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:47

        Infinite pillar of fire and light.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:31:50

        That's what they were described as?

    17. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:51

        Yes.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:31:52

        What the hell is that?

    19. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:53

        [laughs]

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:31:54

        Like what, you know-

    21. CCCassie Coppersmith1:31:55

        What were they doing with these things? They always face north. They're always in a roofless temple. They always have major water features next to them.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:32:02

        Is that how they made power maybe? If it, power anything- Yeah, I think that's what she's- ... any electricity ... implying ... implying electricity or something ... or something, some kind of power.

    23. CCCassie Coppersmith1:32:09

        The myths suggest that there was something going on there.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:32:12

        Well, this is the o- the question that I always have when, you know, we, when we think about technology, we always think about it in the context of what we understand currently.

    25. CCCassie Coppersmith1:32:22

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:32:22

        And if you think of human beings, the way we've progressed to get to where we are now is through internal combustion engines and transistors and all these different technologies that were avail- that, that w- that we have right now. We... There could have been a completely different direction that they went in and achieved similar or more spectacular sophistication in this different direction.

    27. CCCassie Coppersmith1:32:48

        Yes.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:32:49

        And the idea that this is the only way to go is kind of crazy.

    29. CCCassie Coppersmith1:32:52

        Yeah. It doesn't have to be mechanical.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:32:53

        Especially when this is a fairly sick society in terms of our value system and, you know, what we... You know, we're, we're a mess.
14. 1:41:13 – 1:45:10

    AI and remote sensing: from Pompeii scrolls to global LIDAR and Egypt ‘second sphinx’ claims

    1. CCCassie Coppersmith1:41:13

       So it's, it's really exciting, and I think, you know, if you think about where this field is going in the next five or 10 years, and think about the opportunities with AI and all of this technology, look what was uncovered in Cambodia with LiDAR, look what's happening in Egypt with scans from space. If you take AI and you start to compile ... You know, I used to work for a mining company, and mining companies use LiDAR, or forestry companies or, um, [clears throat] environmental companies, they all scan the Earth, right, with LiDAR. If you could use AI to compile all of the scans all over the world, imagine what you could start to identify that nobody's identified before as anci- ancient structures. Like, I think you could fundamentally change this discussion in the next five years just using AI and different kinds of technology that we've never been able to do in human history. We can, we can translate untranslatable texts.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:42:10

       Yeah. I've seen that. I've seen ... What's really fascinating, when they do these scans of, um, scrolls from Pompeii. Have you seen that?

    3. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:17

       The Vesuvius-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:42:18

       Yes

    5. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:18

       ... yeah, project. Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:42:19

       It's amazing. Like, they're completely wrapped.

    7. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:22

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:42:23

       They're c- and they're covered with ash. Like, and then there's like, they're super delicate, but they've been able to use scans to actually read the text on those scrolls.

    9. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:31

       It's amazing.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:42:32

        Incredible.

    11. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:33

        And there's an incredible amount of ancient texts that have been untranslated. What is hidden in there?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:42:39

        Right.

    13. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:39

        You know? Not just the languages that we don't know how to translate, like Rongorongo script in Easter Island, but translatable script that nobody's paid attention to. [laughs]

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:42:48

        Right.

    15. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:48

        The thousands of Sanskrit wr- writings. What's hidden in there?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:42:52

        Right

    17. CCCassie Coppersmith1:42:52

        ... you know. So I, I think it's a really exciting time to, to do this work, and I personally believe in the next 10 years there are gonna be extraordinary discoveries that I think it's gonna be very hard to argue that we need to at least reexamine our history.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:43:07

        Yeah, without a doubt. I, I, I think that's already the case. I think there's, uh, thanks to people like you and thanks to people that are making these videos, we can see this p- just, it's just so puzzling.

    19. CCCassie Coppersmith1:43:19

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:43:19

        I mean, it, it doesn't make- the timeline doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense in terms of, like, a linear timeline of technology. It's like, what were they using?

    21. CCCassie Coppersmith1:43:27

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:43:27

        Like, how did they move this stuff? Like...

    23. CCCassie Coppersmith1:43:30

        And why?

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:43:31

        Why? Yeah. Why?

    25. CCCassie Coppersmith1:43:32

        Why were they building these things? Why were they building them where they were building them?

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:43:36

        Yeah.

    27. CCCassie Coppersmith1:43:37

        You know, if you think of the Earth like a, a human body, were these sites built on the acupuncture points of Earth? The- they were built in highly energetic places. When you go to these sites, you feel different. People describe spontaneous healings. I have different dreams when I visit these ancient sites. You know what, I, I do a lot of meditations, and when you meditate on top of a pyramid in Cambodia, you drop in immediately. You know? So you are, as a human, you're resonating with these sites in a way that you don't when you're not at them. And so I believe personally that they were building these sites in these places for a reason.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:44:17

        Well, it makes sense. Uh, and the idea that different places don't have different energy is just one of those things that people like to say, that we've got a, a, a clear understanding of what energy is and what, you know, what, what i- what is different about these different places. It's just different geology. It's just, there's nothing special.

    29. CCCassie Coppersmith1:44:38

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:44:38

        There's nothing... But we don't really know that. There's so many things that we can't measure, and we de- definitely don't understand why certain places have a different effect on human beings.
15. 1:45:10 – 2:25:16

    Personal transformation, ‘earth energy,’ and why ancient sites feel different

    1. CCCassie Coppersmith1:45:10

       Yep. Right after I left my corporate life, I did a, a basically like a wilderness quest. So picture like a Native American vision quest, where I spent four days on the side of a mountain with no food, no tent, nothing, just a journal and myself for four days with no food. And it was-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:45:30

       Why'd you do that?

    3. CCCassie Coppersmith1:45:31

       It was, it was because I needed to heal from the corporate life that I had lived.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:45:36

       [laughs]

    5. CCCassie Coppersmith1:45:36

       I needed to [laughs] recover and-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:45:38

       How bad are jobs? [laughs]

    7. CCCassie Coppersmith1:45:41

       [laughs]

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:45:41

       How bad are jobs that w- it's better to have no food and be sitting on a mountain for four days to get your head straight?

    9. CCCassie Coppersmith1:45:46

       What I'll say about that experience is I think that humans don't let themselves get completely silent any longer. So what you're saying about nature healing you, you know, over the course of three days, your body gets very weak, and the voices get a lot quieter, and suddenly really the only thing you hear is your soul or God or whatever word you have for it, and you watch the stars pass at night, and you're sitting there all day, and it's... It was one of the most special experiences I've ever had.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:46:19

        Did you bring water? What did you do?

    11. CCCassie Coppersmith1:46:21

        You, you have basically w- like, you have three liters of water per day that you hike into this area, and you just sit with the water, and that's it. Um, the last night of it was really cool because what you're supposed to do, it's, it's, it's meant to be a, a healing and kind of rebirth, right? So the last night, you, you set up rocks in a circle, and you, at sunset, you enter the middle of the circle, and you're, you're keeping an all-night vigil. So you're watching, you literally watch the constellations move all night, and you're supposed to try, I, I succeeded but barely, to stay awake until the sun comes up. And so the idea is that you're entering as one person, and you're leaving the next morning as another person. And so the, the Native Americans with their vision quest, they're doing it right. I think that we have completely lost, uh, our connection and ability to tune into ourselves and to tune into the Earth, and, uh, you know, quests like that are really amazing.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:47:21

        Wow. And it's being blunted every day by phones and TVs-

    13. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:26

        5G and

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:47:26

        ... and screens and-

    15. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:27

        Yeah

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:47:28

        ... yeah, Wi-Fi and-

    17. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:28

        You're just flipping through TikTok.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:47:30

        Yep.

    19. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:30

        You know? It's, it's different than sitting with yourself in complete silence for days.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:47:35

        What a complete polar opposite to corporate life.

    21. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:37

        Yes.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:47:38

        Yeah.

    23. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:38

        Thank God.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:47:40

        [laughs]

    25. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:42

        Corporate life has its place, but yeah, it's-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:47:44

        Yeah, well, it has its place. I'm on an iPhone.

    27. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:46

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:47:46

        Somebody's gotta make a laptop.

    29. CCCassie Coppersmith1:47:47

        Totally.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:47:48

        [laughs]
16. 2:25:16 – 2:31:58

    Deep time, cataclysms, and North America: arrowheads, ice sheets, and the Younger Dryas

    1. JRJoe Rogan2:25:16

       Yeah, sure. Yeah.

    2. CCCassie Coppersmith2:25:18

       Okay. I brought you a little show and tell.

    3. JRJoe Rogan2:25:21

       Okay. Ooh, exciting.

    4. CCCassie Coppersmith2:25:24

       [laughs] So I grew up in Western Nebraska on a giant corn farm. This is called a Jimmy Allen point. This is 9,500 years old.

    5. JRJoe Rogan2:25:38

       Whoa.

    6. CCCassie Coppersmith2:25:39

       It's a spear point. So it was being chipped basically when Gobekli Tepe was at the height of its building.

    7. JRJoe Rogan2:25:48

       Wow.

    8. CCCassie Coppersmith2:25:48

       8,500 to 9,500 years old. My grandpa had a load of rock delivered to his house, and that was in it. So they would dredge this, this river rock from the rivers, the Platte River, and deliver it to your house, and he found that in his yard.

    9. JRJoe Rogan2:26:05

       Holy shit.

    10. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:08

        Isn't that an incredible experience-

    11. JRJoe Rogan2:26:09

        That's amazing

    12. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:10

        ... to touch it?

    13. JRJoe Rogan2:26:11

        That's amazing. I don't know how old this one is, but this is from here.

    14. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:17

        Oh, yes. That's a pretty good one.

    15. JRJoe Rogan2:26:20

        This is actually better. This one's really good.

    16. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:23

        That one's substantially older than this.

    17. JRJoe Rogan2:26:25

        Yeah.

    18. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:26

        I bet this is 2,000 years old. That one's almost 10.

    19. JRJoe Rogan2:26:29

        That's crazy.

    20. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:30

        So I'm gonna show you something else.

    21. JRJoe Rogan2:26:32

        Wow.

    22. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:32

        It's just a part of one, but this is part of a Folsom point.

    23. JRJoe Rogan2:26:36

        Ooh

    24. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:37

        Which is 12,700 years old, so that was definitely created to hunt something that's extinct now.

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:26:46

        [laughs]

    26. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:47

        You can see the flute up the middle and the... Look at the work on the sides of it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:26:51

        Wow. That's crazy.

    28. CCCassie Coppersmith2:26:55

        It's, it's the most incredible stonework, and you see that over time. It went from Clovis to Folsom, and then down the line to, to points like this, and it just, you know, became... Yeah, so the, those are... This would have looked like that if it was full.

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:27:11

        Wow.

    30. CCCassie Coppersmith2:27:12

        You're seeing the central flute on this one. But both of these were found out on my farm.
17. 2:31:58 – 2:34:02

    Closing synthesis: global patterns, democratized research, and the case for reexamining history

    1. CCCassie Coppersmith2:31:58

       Stones are the things that are gonna survive. Myths, right? So the, uh, it's a, it's messages being passed down to us today, and now people are looking and paying attention, and it just... It's, it's a complete obsession for me. I, I don't know how anybody thinks of anything else besides ancient history. [laughs]

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:32:17

       [laughs] Once I get into it, I feel the same way.

    3. CCCassie Coppersmith2:32:19

       It's just too amazing.

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:32:20

       Yeah. I mean-

    5. CCCassie Coppersmith2:32:20

       It's too amazing

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:32:22

       ... it's, it's certainly a puzzle, and, uh, if it wasn't for people like you and other people that are doing similar things, most people would be very blissfully unaware of how nuts the, the actual physical history of the Earth is.

    7. CCCassie Coppersmith2:32:35

       Yeah. Yep. And, you know, until recently, a lot of this... First of all, people couldn't travel around the world. They couldn't, they couldn't read scripts that weren't in their language. Archeologists were exploring sites, and their papers were going to the universities. And so we didn't have the opportunity to see these global patterns the way that we do now, to, to link, "Okay, I see the same thing in Egypt that I see in India. Like this thousand-ton statue is in India, and it's also in Egypt. What about these walls? They're the same." I don't think it was as easy to do that back in the day. You know, even the people that were deep into the research in Egypt in the 1800s, they weren't traveling to Peru. So we are at a, a very unique time in history where we can look across all of it, especially in the next 10 years when we're leveraging AI and other technologies from space-based scanning or whatever. I, I think it's gonna fundamentally change the way that we view the history of the world.

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:33:35

       I think so, too. And so thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your channel. And, uh, thank you for all of your interest in this 'cause it's, uh, absolutely fascinating.

    9. CCCassie Coppersmith2:33:44

       Thank you for having me on. This was so fun.

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:33:46

        My pleasure. Let's do it again.

    11. CCCassie Coppersmith2:33:47

        Okay.

    12. JRJoe Rogan2:33:47

        Okay.

    13. CCCassie Coppersmith2:33:47

        I would love that.

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:33:48

        All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody. [outro music]

Episode duration: 2:34:03