Joe Rogan Experience #2531 - Forrest Galante

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 1:56

   Debunking “black panther” trail-cam sightings in the U.S.

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. SPSpeaker0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] My friend.

   4. FGForrest Galante0:13

      Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      [laughs]

   6. FGForrest Galante0:14

      It's good to see you, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Bro, it's good to see you. So I've been sending you stuff, 'cause, like, we've been ... I knew that you were coming on. And I sent you that one, uh, that video of the guy who got a trail cam photo of a black panther.

   8. FGForrest Galante0:26

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      So is that just, uh, a melanistic mountain lion?

   10. FGForrest Galante0:30

       So-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Like, what is that?

   12. FGForrest Galante0:31

       It's a great question. There's never been a melanistic mountain lion. Nobody's ever seen one, ever. Never hit one with a car, never f- born one in captivity, nothing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Whoa.

   14. FGForrest Galante0:39

       So mountain lions, by definition, pumas, you know, whatever you wanna call them, um, there's never been a black one, ever. But every year ... I mean, I got a buddy in Florida who swears blind that he's seen a black mountain lion in his backyard. And yet that photo that you sent me, [laughs] that photo circulates, like, once every three years.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       It's bullshit?

   16. FGForrest Galante1:00

       It's bullshit.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       [laughs]

   18. FGForrest Galante1:00

       It's a real photo, but it's a trail cam photo. Oh, it wasn't this one, but, um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Well, that's ... I think that's w- the first one, and then there's another one where the cat gets, like, right up to the lens.

   20. FGForrest Galante1:10

       That one.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yeah, that one.

   22. FGForrest Galante1:11

       So that photo is a real, I wanna say jaguar. It's hard to tell. But either jaguar or black leopard, both of which are, do become melanistic.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Right.

   24. FGForrest Galante1:20

       But there's ... And you can tell that, 'cause you can see the spots, barely, like the rosettes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Mm-hmm.

   26. FGForrest Galante1:24

       So all these melanistic cats, like, like jags and leopards and things that do get melanistic, they still have those rosettes under the black coat.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Right.

   28. FGForrest Galante1:32

       Yeah, so not a mountain lion.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Well, too bad.

   30. FGForrest Galante1:34

       I know. It's such a bummer. One day, if somebody finds one, that'll be, like, a huge thing scientifically.
3. 1:56 – 4:27

   Orcas: culture, language, and startling new behaviors

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      That Bigfoot is kind of interesting, but not as interesting as an orca. Like-

   2. FGForrest Galante2:00

      A- a hundred percent.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      Right. [laughs]

   4. FGForrest Galante2:01

      Like, we have gorillas that are cooler than Bigfoots.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:04

      Well, orcas in spec- in particular, because they have languages that we can't decipher.

   6. FGForrest Galante2:08

      Languages, specialized diets, some kind ... Do you know? I'm sure you know all this.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      Yeah.

   8. FGForrest Galante2:12

      This kind even talk to each other.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:13

      Right.

   10. FGForrest Galante2:13

       Yeah. It's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       Yeah

   12. FGForrest Galante2:14

       ... unbelievable. Like, it's the same as if you or I went to India or Africa-

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Right

   14. FGForrest Galante2:18

       ... and it's like we can't communicate, we don't eat the same food.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       No.

   16. FGForrest Galante2:20

       We look different.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       No.

   18. FGForrest Galante2:21

       And yet to us, an orca is an orca.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       Right.

   20. FGForrest Galante2:23

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       And it's super smart, and huge brains, and don't kill people for some strange reason.

   22. FGForrest Galante2:28

       Ever.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Except when they're in captivity.

   24. FGForrest Galante2:30

       That's right, yeah, which is so crazy. I did a thing in Baja, Mexico, maybe three years ago, where we were just cruising on this little panga, this little fishing boat, and we saw these orcas go by. And now people seem to be doing it a lot, but at the time it was like nobody had really just tried this. And this was a transient population, which means they primarily eat, uh, seals and sea lions, not the stingray eaters. And so we were like, "Fuck it, let's just go." And we, like, ran the boat up ahead and jumped in. And the orcas came up, and the bull never came out. So you know the bull has a huge fin, like he's the biggest, like the, the dominant protector of the pod. But the cows and their babies came up, and m- the boat, like, drifted away, and me and my buddy Mike, and they just circled us, like, just looking at us with their big eyeballs.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Whoa.

   26. FGForrest Galante3:13

       And it was me to you from orcas. And they, they did like two, two circles around us, like, "What are these things?" Then were just like, "Meh, boring," and kept swimming.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Like, they c- they must know, right? If they're that intelligent, and they have language, and they communicate, they must know that, what, what a person is, right?

   28. FGForrest Galante3:28

       Uh, I think a hu-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Like look at this.

   30. FGForrest Galante3:30

       Oh, dude. I saw the guy that filmed this. This is so crazy.
4. 4:27 – 8:59

   From viral “Run Nation” collisions to the realities of brain trauma

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      Or those guys that do that ... Have you seen th- that game ... Well, it's not a game, but it's, I guess, whatever it is, an activity where these guys just run at each other full blast?

   2. FGForrest Galante4:35

      Dude, RNC, Run Nation?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Is that what it is?

   4. FGForrest Galante4:38

      I fucking love that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      You do?

   6. FGForrest Galante4:39

      It's one of my favorite things. I'm such a huge fan.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      How could you love that?

   8. FGForrest Galante4:42

      I love it, dude.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      Oh, my God.

   10. FGForrest Galante4:43

       'Cause I played rugby, so it's rugby boys that are doing it, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       Great.

   12. FGForrest Galante4:46

       It's like an Oklahoma drill except for rugby guys. And that's a drill that when I was playing rugby we used to do all the time.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       Just run at each other?

   14. FGForrest Galante4:52

       You just run at ... It's my fav ... D- Run Nation, RNC, it's my favorite thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       [laughs]

   16. FGForrest Galante4:56

       I watch every video.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       I-

   18. FGForrest Galante4:58

       Look at these guys

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       ... I would've never gu- they both just went unconscious.

   20. FGForrest Galante5:01

       Oh. [laughs]

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       Look at that. They both went o-

   22. FGForrest Galante5:03

       [laughs]

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Well, that guy's, that guy's fine.

   24. FGForrest Galante5:05

       I'm such a fan.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       But I've seen it where they both get unconscious. Like right there.

   26. FGForrest Galante5:08

       I wanna bring these guys to the US and see how they stack up against, like, NFL linebackers.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Oh, Jesus Christ. They both headbutted each other, dude.

   28. FGForrest Galante5:15

       Dude, you love fight sports. What are you talking about?

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       This is not a fight sport.

   30. FGForrest Galante5:18

       [laughs]
5. 8:59 – 14:19

   Natural selection, human “animal” status, and the attention economy paradox

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:59

      Well, those are the dudes that have the balls to get in a little tiny boat and make it across the fucking ocean.

   2. FGForrest Galante9:03

      [laughs]

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:03

      You know?

   4. FGForrest Galante9:03

      And then kick your ass, yeah. [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:04

      That's what it is, really.

   6. FGForrest Galante9:05

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:05

      I mean, you think about it, like, only the s- super robust survived.

   8. FGForrest Galante9:10

      Right, right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:10

      So it's like nature just weeding out any possible weakness.

   10. FGForrest Galante9:14

       It's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       Only the strongest human beings made it

   12. FGForrest Galante9:16

       ... absolute natural selection.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       Yeah, absolutely.

   14. FGForrest Galante9:18

       It's similar to the African Americans that we have in North America. Like, those are the strongest, best guys that came over here.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       Right.

   16. FGForrest Galante9:24

       Right? And that's why they're all the most incredible athletes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       Yeah.

   18. FGForrest Galante9:27

       Not them at all, but you know what I mean.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       Yeah, I know what you're saying.

   20. FGForrest Galante9:29

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       There's, I mean, it's fr- and also, like, when you look at, like, guys from Iceland, the strongmen.

   22. FGForrest Galante9:34

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       There's so, how many strongmen are from Iceland? Well, how many fucking Vikings were from Iceland?

   24. FGForrest Galante9:38

       It's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       Like, let's look at-

   26. FGForrest Galante9:39

       Legit

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       ... yeah.

   28. FGForrest Galante9:40

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       It's weird when you think about it, that, like, nature finds its way.

   30. FGForrest Galante9:44

       It's the same thing. It's like we think we're so different and above, like, animals and stuff.
6. 14:19 – 17:49

   Bigfoot, AI hoaxes, and why people want the “missing” animals

   1. FGForrest Galante14:19

      Or you text me a Bigfoot AI thing. [laughs]

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:22

      [laughs] The Bigfoot ones are so silly.

   3. FGForrest Galante14:24

      They're so bad.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:25

      They're so silly. You actually texted me the Bigfoot one. [laughs]

   5. FGForrest Galante14:27

      Well, it was the same guy. You, you s- Yeah, the same guy texted you back. I was like, "I don't think so, dude."

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:32

      [laughs]

   7. FGForrest Galante14:32

      He's like, "This guy raised a baby Bigfoot in secrecy for 10 years."

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:36

      [laughs] It looks so bad.

   9. FGForrest Galante14:37

      It's so bad.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       It's so obvious it's, like, a shitty AI photograph of, like, like, a blurry Polaroid photograph.

   11. FGForrest Galante14:44

       And then you read the comments, and there's, like, 400 people going like, "Oh my God, I can't believe this happened," and you're like, "Come on." [laughs]

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       Oh, dude, Duncan and I, um, back in the day, like in 2012 or '11, whatever it was, when I did that sci-fi show, Joe Rogan Questions Everything-

   13. FGForrest Galante14:57

       Uh-huh

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       ... we went and hung out with Bigfoot people. We, we actually went Bigfoot hunting.

   15. FGForrest Galante15:02

       No way.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       Oh, yeah, we hung-- Yeah, we were with them for a couple days-

   17. FGForrest Galante15:05

       How was that?

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       ... in the woods of the Pacific Northwest. [sighs] It's kind of sad.

   19. FGForrest Galante15:09

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:09

       'Cause the way I describe it, I always said, "Here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot, Black people." You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are Black people looking for Bigfoot.

   21. FGForrest Galante15:18

       It's just such a crazy white guy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Just a bunch of unfuckable white guys-

   23. FGForrest Galante15:21

       Yeah. [laughs]

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       ... out in the woods staring at shadows. [laughs] It's-

   25. FGForrest Galante15:25

       Like, making something out of nothing, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       They're just-

   27. FGForrest Galante15:27

       Like, "Look at that leaf. It must have been here."

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       It's just unfuckable guys-

   29. FGForrest Galante15:31

       [laughs]

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       ... is really what it is. It's, it's... Unfortunately, that's really what it is. It's not that there's not something to the story, 'cause I think there is something to the story.
7. 17:49 – 25:28

   India elephant rescues at Vantara: rehab, mahouts, and elephant biomechanics

   1. FGForrest Galante17:49

      Dude, I learned something pretty interesting this last week. So I, uh, I just got back from India, literally flew in here from India, and, um, we were doing some elephant rescues, uh, with Vantara, that big, uh, Indian wildlife rescue place. Um, this elephant got hit by a car that we went and rescued, so its leg was all jacked up, speaking of non-bipedal things. So you would think just the elephant would walk with a limp. Well, having that trunk It's incredible. They use that trunk as a limb. So I was watching this elephant walk, I wish I had photos or video to show you, but I was watching this elephant walk, and it wouldn't put weight on its leg that was hit by the car. So it would walk with three legs and its trunk as its fourth appendage.

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:28

      Oh, wow.

   3. FGForrest Galante18:28

      Which is an amazing thing to see, 'cause you think of the size of an elephant's cranium and its head and the weight, and in order to move that distribution off of that broken leg, it was using this trunk as a limb. It was just, it was incredible. It was really sad, but it was an incredible thing to see, the way they sort of figured out how to maneuver using that fifth appendage.

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   5. FGForrest Galante19:45

      So in el- in India-

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:47

      Was it, was it broken?

   7. FGForrest Galante19:48

      Uh, I don't know. It went... So we went to... Basically, so I work with this place called Vantara, which is the world's largest wildlife rescue and rehab center. It's unreal, dude. It would blow your mind. I mean, like, on a whole 'nother level. All privately funded by Anant Ambani, this, uh, Indian billionaire guy, the guy who had the huge wedding, if you remember that-

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:05

      Oh, I do [laughs]

   9. FGForrest Galante20:05

      ... had Justin Bieber sing at his wedding and stuff. He's a great dude. Him and I are buddies now. But, um, so he's funded this world's largest wildlife rescue and rehab. It like, it makes the San Diego Zoo look like a roadside attraction. I mean, it's like crazy big. And so he does all these rescues, right? So the reason I'm telling you all this is they go and respond to these rescues, and then take it into this gigantic world's biggest animal hospital that they've built. So we went and rescued the elephant, and now it's probably by today back in Vantara. Yeah, here you go. And, and they'll be treating it. So this is Long Toy. This is the other one. We did two rescues. This one was born with, um, splay legs, and then went into logging. And so all the weight and stuff from logging. See, you see the splay legs on the front there?

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:47

       Ouch.

   11. FGForrest Galante20:47

       Yeah. So anyway, it was just incredible. But, uh, the short answer is they do let people treat them because these animals are raised by, in captivity by what's called mahouts, which are elephant riders.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       Oh.

   13. FGForrest Galante20:59

       And it's a really, the whole dynamic's really fascinating. So you grow up with an elephant as a mahout in Indian culture, and then there's usually one or two mahouts that spend their life dedicated to the elephant, and all they do is ride 'em, log 'em, they use them as tools, but they still love them very much. It's just they use them as a tool. Elephants obviously aren't made to do that, so they break down over time.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       So that's why its legs are like that, it's from carrying the amount of weight that comes from logging?

   15. FGForrest Galante21:24

       So that one would've been born with a deformity.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       Oh, okay.

   17. FGForrest Galante21:27

       But then years of compounding weight and everything else makes its legs like that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       Oh.

   19. FGForrest Galante21:32

       And it's crazy. And then, yeah, so we go and we take the elephants in, plus the mahouts, and take them all back to Vantara, give the mahouts a full-time job. These guys are sleeping on mattresses on the floor, right? And then take them back and it's a whole thing. Reform everybody. It's amazing thing. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       Oh, wow. So when they treat the elephants, like, what, what do they do for an elephant that has a broken leg?

   21. FGForrest Galante21:51

       So most of it's just pain management, right? Because you can only get so far. So the one that got hit by-

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:56

       Can you set them in a cast?

   23. FGForrest Galante21:58

       Uh, not really, no. You know, it depend- I guess it depends on the fracture. I'm not a vet, but I guess it depends on the fracture. But what they do is they have, uh, and Jamie, you might be able to see it, it's incredible. They have this giant jacuzzi. Like imagine a jacuzzi the size of your building here, for elephants, and it's their hydrotherapy pool. So these animals that have terrible arthritis or fucked up feet or bad legs like that, they just spend all day in the water, because then there's no weight on their limbs.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Oh, wow.

   25. FGForrest Galante22:23

       Which is really cool.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       Do they have medication, like anti-inflammatories-

   27. FGForrest Galante22:27

       [laughs]

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:27

       ... for elephants?

   29. FGForrest Galante22:28

       Everything, man. This place uses unbelievable, um, Eastern medicine, Western medicine, this crazy hospital. There's a lot of guys talking on their Instagram unfortunately, but yeah.

   30. SPSpeaker22:38

       I see a, uh, this one's got a prosthetic leg.
8. 25:28 – 30:43

   Genetic oddities in the animal world: tusks, horns, and self-injury by anatomy

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:28

      They're... Isn't it cool that they thought that that's what a cyclops was when they found the skulls?

   2. FGForrest Galante25:31

      Yeah, because the skull.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:32

      Yeah.

   4. FGForrest Galante25:33

      Yeah. Isn't that amazing?

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:33

      That's why they thought cyclopses were a real thing.

   6. FGForrest Galante25:35

      Dude, have you ever seen... Have you ever been to the Explorers Club in New York City?

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:38

      No.

   8. FGForrest Galante25:39

      That's worth a visit. You would love it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:40

      Yeah?

   10. FGForrest Galante25:40

       They have the Champawat tiger there, like the most famous man-eating tiger skin.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:44

       Oh, that's the one that killed like 476 people?

   12. FGForrest Galante25:46

       Yep. Yep. Yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:47

       Is that with the number? Some-

   14. FGForrest Galante25:48

       Uh

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       ... something crazy like that, right?

   16. FGForrest Galante25:48

       I actually have it on my YouTube, and I don't remember the name, uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:51

       It's more than-

   18. FGForrest Galante25:52

       ... or the number

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       ... 400 people, right?

   20. FGForrest Galante25:53

       It's crazy. And then Jim Corbett went and shot it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Right.

   22. FGForrest Galante25:55

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Right.

   24. FGForrest Galante25:55

       And he, I almost named my son Corbett 'cause I love that story so much. But, um, but they have the only four-tusked elephant at the Explorers Club in New York City.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       Whoa.

   26. FGForrest Galante26:04

       I- I'm sure, Jamie, you could find a picture of the skull.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:06

       What's-

   28. FGForrest Galante26:06

       Nobody knows why. Total anomaly.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:08

       Oh, wow.

   30. FGForrest Galante26:08

       Nobody's ever seen it. Nobody knows why. I think it's the only one in existence, and it literally has four tusks coming out of it.
9. 30:43 – 57:54

   Thylacine hopes, giant sloths, the saola ‘Asian unicorn,’ and the scale of the unknown

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      Um, where's the thylacine, man? What's going on?

   2. FGForrest Galante30:46

      It's gotten pretty cold, dude

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      Really?

   4. FGForrest Galante30:47

      Yeah. I mean-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      Damn it

   6. FGForrest Galante30:48

      ... so we're-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:49

      I was hoping you'd come in with new evidence

   8. FGForrest Galante30:52

      I wish I was. There's a group that I've- I've been working with c- like called Mammal Watching, like if you heard of bird watching

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:57

      Uh-huh

   10. FGForrest Galante30:57

       And they've been going into Western Papua and Papua New Guinea, which is, as you know, where I think there could still be a tiny population. And, uh, so I'm working with them. They're giving trail cameras out to guys. They're still hearing legends here and there, but it's just... I don't know, it's, it feels like the legends are getting fewer and further between. Like almost-

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Hm

   12. FGForrest Galante31:15

       ... over generational time, it's disappearing, if that makes sense

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Oh, that's a bad sign

   14. FGForrest Galante31:20

       Yeah

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       That means whatever's left is probably dying off, right?

   16. FGForrest Galante31:23

       If at all. Yeah. And I mean, I still hold out hope. It's something I've always wanted to be, and I, like, I want it to be there, but it just, it feels like those bits of evidence that were compounding have all sort of started to fade

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:36

       That sucks

   18. FGForrest Galante31:37

       I know, it really does

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       It is a, a very interesting thing with the incredible variety of wildlife that we have, that we're so fascinated by the ones that might not be alive. The s- like the things like the thylacine-

   20. FGForrest Galante31:48

       Yeah

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       ... or the giant sloth

   22. FGForrest Galante31:50

       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       Like I- I remember I watched this documentary on the giant sloth. There was this one scientist, this biologist, who had spent an inordinate amount of time, like years-

   24. FGForrest Galante32:00

       Mm-hmm

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       ... in, in the Amazon-

   26. FGForrest Galante32:01

       Mm-hmm

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       ... looking for a giant sloth-

   28. FGForrest Galante32:03

       Yeah

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       ... and was realizing at some point in time during the documentary that he might have ruined his career

   30. FGForrest Galante32:08

       Overdoing it, yeah
10. 57:54 – 1:32:19

    AI wildlife misinformation and extreme TV stunts: crocodile coffin-cage and polar bear towns

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:54

       Yeah. I watched one today where it was, uh, a wildebeest that a leopard had jumped on its back.

    2. FGForrest Galante58:00

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan58:01

       And the wildebeest jumped into the water-

    4. FGForrest Galante58:03

       Mm-hmm

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:03

       ... and the crocodiles killed the leopard on its back, and then the wildebeest got away.

    6. FGForrest Galante58:07

       Totally fake?

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:08

       It has to be.

    8. FGForrest Galante58:09

       Sounds fake. I mean-

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:10

       Like, a wi-

    10. FGForrest Galante58:10

        ... it sounds insane

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:11

        ... wildebeest is smart all of a sudden?

    12. FGForrest Galante58:13

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:13

        So smart that it-

    14. FGForrest Galante58:14

        Right

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:14

        ... figured out, "All I have to do is get to those crocs-

    16. FGForrest Galante58:16

        And if-

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:17

        ... and the crocs..." Also, like, you're gonna run... I don't... Like, you're gonna give yourself more problems-

    18. FGForrest Galante58:22

        Right, by going-

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:23

        Just-

    20. FGForrest Galante58:23

        ... into the water [laughs] , yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:24

        Well, and by the way, multiple crocodiles, so why wouldn't they just eat you, too?

    22. FGForrest Galante58:28

        They would. They'd just kill everything.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:29

        They would kill everybody.

    24. FGForrest Galante58:30

        Everything. They wouldn't care at all.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:31

        If they, both of you are compromised, it's not gonna just grab the leopard on your back.

    26. FGForrest Galante58:34

        No.

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:34

        It's gonna grab you, too, 'cause you can't get away.

    28. FGForrest Galante58:36

        Anything they can get.

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:37

        Yeah.

    30. FGForrest Galante58:37

        Yeah. No.
11. 1:32:19 – 1:35:07

    Captive cetaceans, dolphin research ethics, and the future of decoding whale language

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:32:19

       Good point. [laughs] It's like, like, just, like, SeaWorld alone, it's just... It's so awful. And it wasn't until the, those, that documentary, what was it called? Black-

    2. FGForrest Galante1:32:30

       Blackfish

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:32:31

       ... Blackfish?

    4. FGForrest Galante1:32:31

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:32:32

       That was, like, the first one where people went like, "Hey-

    6. FGForrest Galante1:32:34

       It was really eye-opening

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:32:36

       ... like-

    8. FGForrest Galante1:32:36

       Yeah

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:32:36

       ... we, we shouldn't support this at all." I mean, I can't believe people still even go to fucking SeaWorld.

    10. FGForrest Galante1:32:40

        It's pretty crazy. Do you know about those-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:32:41

        'Cause it's basically prison.

    12. FGForrest Galante1:32:42

        Do you know about those two in France that are trapped there?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:32:45

        No.

    14. FGForrest Galante1:32:46

        Oh, this is interesting. So there is basically a SeaWorld equivalent in France, and the government shut it down. I forget the... I'm sure we can figure it out, but it was shut down, but then the dolphins and the two orcas were not released. And the guy's like, "These are mine. I'm not releasing them, and I can't afford to release them or move them." So they've just been sitting in these abandoned tanks for, I wanna say a year now, um, maybe, maybe more. Yeah, this is it here.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:33:10

        Ugh.

    16. FGForrest Galante1:33:10

        The race to save these two. Um, Jamie, I don't know if you can see if there's an aerial shot of it, but-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:33:16

        Yeah, there is. I just, uh, clicked it.

    18. FGForrest Galante1:33:17

        Yeah. So they're just-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:33:18

        Oh

    20. FGForrest Galante1:33:18

        ... sitting in this thing.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:33:19

        God.

    22. FGForrest Galante1:33:19

        But, but it's closed. The guy can't afford to feed them because nobody's visiting. And then I believe the government just doesn't wanna do anything about it, 'cause they're like, "We just wanted to shut you down. We don't wanna actually, like, do anything about it." So there's just these two orcas sitting in these tanks.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:33:34

        And how do they get food?

    24. FGForrest Galante1:33:35

        I mean, he's feeding them, but he's, like, doing it out of his pocket, and it's, like, few and far between.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:33:39

        Oh, man.

    26. FGForrest Galante1:33:40

        So yeah, it's, it's a crazy... They're, they're... Yeah, the abandoned whales-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:33:44

        [clears throat]

    28. FGForrest Galante1:33:44

        ... and they're just sitting in these tanks.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:33:45

        We've had, uh... Do you know Phil Demers? He's, he's a guy who, uh-

    30. FGForrest Galante1:33:49

        No
12. 1:35:07 – 1:37:54

    Weaponizing animals: Acoustic Kitty, cyborg insects, spy belugas, and the ethics of bio-tech

    1. FGForrest Galante1:35:07

       but they have this emotional intelligence that's, like, so much deeper and broader than ours. At least that's my belief.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:35:13

       It is a weird thing with us where we only characterize intelligence as the ability to manipulate your environment.

    3. FGForrest Galante1:35:19

       Yeah, like-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:35:20

       We, we, we want you to write a book.

    5. FGForrest Galante1:35:21

       Right. I-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:35:22

       I don't, I don't trust you. You're real, you're really smart?

    7. FGForrest Galante1:35:24

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:35:24

       Make a house.

    9. FGForrest Galante1:35:25

       Sh- prove it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:35:25

        Why don't you, why don't you-

    11. FGForrest Galante1:35:26

        Right

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:35:26

        ... how come you don't have a rocket ship?

    13. FGForrest Galante1:35:27

        Right. [laughs] Right. Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:35:29

        You s- [laughs] you're so smart.

    15. FGForrest Galante1:35:30

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:35:30

        Where's your phone?

    17. FGForrest Galante1:35:30

        Right. Yeah, yeah. [laughs] No, it's crazy.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:35:33

        It's weird.

    19. FGForrest Galante1:35:33

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:35:33

        It's weird, right? We-

    21. FGForrest Galante1:35:33

        It's a weird way to look at things.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:35:35

        Yeah. It's like I think there's a part of people that recognize that this, this direction that people, like, that this, uh, classification of intelligence-

    23. FGForrest Galante1:35:46

        Mm-hmm

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:35:46

        ... in that way is, is wrong. But I don't, I don't think we can really quantify it yet. And if AI really can decipher, uh, dolphin language, orca language, whale m- language, if they really can and we c- realize that they're actually communicating, God, I would hope that would change our approach to how we deal with those things.

    25. FGForrest Galante1:36:04

        I think it would.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:36:04

        'Cause there's... I think-

    27. FGForrest Galante1:36:05

        Yeah

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:36:05

        ... they are sea people.

    29. FGForrest Galante1:36:07

        Ability-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:36:07

        I really do
13. 1:37:54 – 1:44:17

    De-extinction and ‘dire wolves’: black-wolf genetics, definitions, and what counts as real

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:37:54

       Well, isn't that the whole reason why black wolves exist in the first place? I think black wolves exist because it's a trait that they got from domesticated dogs.

    2. FGForrest Galante1:38:02

       I, I read that, and then I read it was false, and then I read it again. I don't know what the truth behind that is.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:38:06

       Let's put it into Perplexity.

    4. FGForrest Galante1:38:07

       We should. Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:38:08

       It'll pr- they'll probably say it's a Roganesque claim. Those [laughs] cocksuckers.

    6. FGForrest Galante1:38:11

       As stated on today's podcast. Yeah.

    7. SPSpeaker1:38:13

       How are you gonna word that so it, you kinda get a good-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:38:15

       Mm

    9. SPSpeaker1:38:16

       ... response back?

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:38:16

        Uh, that's interesting. How do you word that? Um, would you say, um, is it true that black wolves inherited that trait from domesticated dogs? Because that is one thing that absolutely has happened, is that there's been interbreeding between-

    11. FGForrest Galante1:38:33

        Oh, yeah

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:38:33

        ... and not just on purpose.

    13. FGForrest Galante1:38:35

        No, no.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:38:35

        Like-

    15. FGForrest Galante1:38:35

        Yeah

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:38:36

        ... yeah.

    17. FGForrest Galante1:38:36

        It happened. Yeah, I mean, you get coy wolves-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:38:38

        Just happens in the wild

    19. FGForrest Galante1:38:38

        ... and, yeah, it does.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:38:39

        Right, right.

    21. FGForrest Galante1:38:39

        Yeah, yeah. Is the genetic mutation of a black fur color brought about by domestication?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:38:45

        Yes.

    23. SPSpeaker1:38:46

        Uh, okay. Well, hold on. Is it, choose it. Uh.

    24. FGForrest Galante1:38:48

        Sorry. [laughs] Throwing a lot at you, Jamie.

    25. SPSpeaker1:38:52

        No, you're good. You're, you're-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:38:52

        Is it, is the black-

    27. SPSpeaker1:38:53

        ... domestic

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:38:54

        ... the trait of black wolves, did they inherit that from domesticated dogs?

    29. SPSpeaker1:39:00

        Edit my thing, then. [laughs] Was that, was that good enough or not?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:39:03

        Uh, eh. From domesticated dogs.
14. 1:44:17 – 2:02:05

    Megafauna, early humans, and the brutality of pre-modern hunting (short-faced bears, atlatls, bows)

    1. FGForrest Galante1:44:17

       Dude, h- speaking of roaming the earth, do, have you heard the theory about how, uh, sloth bears stopped... Sorry, not sloth bears. Uh, ca- uh, what were the big cave bears in North America?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:44:25

       Short-faced.

    3. FGForrest Galante1:44:26

       Short-faced bears stopped human immigration.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:44:28

       Yes.

    5. FGForrest Galante1:44:28

       Have you read about that?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:44:29

       Yes, yeah.

    7. FGForrest Galante1:44:29

       Yeah, that's really cool.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:44:30

       Totally makes sense.

    9. FGForrest Galante1:44:31

       It totally does. They just st- stood there waiting for people like salmon to cross the Bering-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:44:36

        [laughs]

    11. FGForrest Galante1:44:36

        ... land bridge, and they're like, "Well, it's that time of year again."

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:44:39

        [laughs] Also, like, who would do that knowing that those things are out there? That thing was so big.

    13. FGForrest Galante1:44:44

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:44:45

        It's, like, double the size of a polar bear.

    15. FGForrest Galante1:44:46

        It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:44:48

        Like, a twice large polar bear that is, can run 50 mi- look at that thing.

    17. FGForrest Galante1:44:53

        Yeah. I don't care how smart we are, that is not something you wanna face.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:44:56

        Right. Even if you have a gun, like, good luck.

    19. FGForrest Galante1:44:59

        I mean-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:44:59

        Like, if you have a nine millimeter handgun and you run across a grizzly bear, you're dead.

    21. FGForrest Galante1:45:03

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:45:03

        It's not gonna be enough firepower.

    23. FGForrest Galante1:45:05

        No, no.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:45:05

        So how, what are you gonna t- what are you gonna hit that thing with? A spear?

    25. FGForrest Galante1:45:08

        Well, they have rocks, so you know, that's good.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:45:09

        Oh.

    27. FGForrest Galante1:45:09

        Rocks and spears, yeah. [laughs]

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:45:11

        Rocks.

    29. FGForrest Galante1:45:11

        [laughs] Oh, rocks. Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:45:13

        I mean, when they first started coming across, did they even have fucking bows and arrows that yet?
15. 2:02:05 – 2:13:40

    Philanthropy blowback, malaria nets used for fishing, and the Epstein/Gates elite-network rabbit hole

    1. FGForrest Galante2:02:05

       Dude, do you know what they did fucking in the Cabora Bassa delta with their mosquito nets? Why would you? But, um, do you know what I'm talking about at all?

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:02:12

       No, what'd they do?

    3. FGForrest Galante2:02:13

       Dude, I, I'm gonna go on a fucking tirade here.

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:02:15

       Please do.

    5. FGForrest Galante2:02:16

       Okay, so the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation decided that there was too much malaria in Africa, right? Which you and I could probably agree with. Malaria's bad. So what did they do? They gave all of these people living in tribal villages... Uh, I've totally pirated your thing. I'm sorry-

    6. JRJoe Rogan2:02:31

       No, no, no, no, no

    7. FGForrest Galante2:02:31

       ... but I'm gonna go on a fucking rant here.

    8. JRJoe Rogan2:02:32

       Please, go, go, go.

    9. FGForrest Galante2:02:33

       They gave all these people living in the Cabora Bassa delta, which is the breadbasket of the Zambezi Valley, meaning, like, where more fish are born. It's a, it's a nursery for fish, right? Not just there, but this is a good micro example. They gave millions of mosquito nets out to all these people to avoid malaria. Guess what the people who are starving to death did with their mosquito nets?

    10. JRJoe Rogan2:02:55

        Fish. They fish with them.

    11. FGForrest Galante2:02:55

        They fished with them. Mosquito net has a hole that is so small that a mosquito can't get through, so guess what? These mosquito nets now indiscriminately catch tiny baby fish in areas like Cabora Bassa, where the fish go to breed and reproduce and populate. So now, all of a sudden, you have thousands and thousands of people that have been handed nets, that have been living one way for th- hun- hundreds of thousands of years. They don't give a shit about malaria. They have their own way of dealing with malaria. They sit in smoky huts at night, they sleep with a campfire, everything else. Yes, they still get malaria, some of them, but they deal with it their own way. Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation come in, hand out millions of mosquito nets, absolutely collapse the entire population of fish that feed millions of people because these people just take the nets and fish all the baby fish out so that those fish don't grow up to make substantial protein sources. So now, these wonderful philanthropists that have given out millions of nets have destroyed an ecosystem, crashed a fish population, and created widespread hunger for people that otherwise had plenty of resources, all because they were trying to help with their mosquito nets.

    12. JRJoe Rogan2:04:01

        Oh, God.

    13. FGForrest Galante2:04:02

        It's just like, it's a fucking disaster, dude. They've taken such a rich and important part of Africa, one of the most abundant freshwater fisheries in the world, and destroyed it because they're helping by handing out mosquito nets.

    14. JRJoe Rogan2:04:15

        Good God.

    15. FGForrest Galante2:04:16

        D- uh, yeah. I know. Sorry, I told you I'd go on a rant, but it's like, it's so bad what's happened over there. And they're still giving out mosquito nets, by the way. And you literally watch these guys line up, take a mosquito net, and it never goes in their house. It goes straight to catching fish that are this big for them to eat.

    16. JRJoe Rogan2:04:31

        Oh, God.

    17. FGForrest Galante2:04:33

        Sorry. I r- really-

    18. JRJoe Rogan2:04:33

        No, I mean-

    19. FGForrest Galante2:04:34

        ... it's just crazy

    20. JRJoe Rogan2:04:34

        ... you just feel bad for them too. It's like, can't you just double up the net thing and just get them other nets too? Oh, yeah. Like, say, "Hey, guys." That's what happened- "Listen" ... 2018. They got the new nets. Oh.

    21. FGForrest Galante2:04:45

        Is that what it says?

    22. JRJoe Rogan2:04:45

        That's what I... I'm, that's, I'm looking at the thing now.

    23. FGForrest Galante2:04:47

        Yeah. But it's, it's-

    24. JRJoe Rogan2:04:48

        Trying to find out other information about them

    25. FGForrest Galante2:04:49

        ... it just totally ruined-

    26. JRJoe Rogan2:04:50

        They might've already crashed the ecosystem

    27. FGForrest Galante2:04:52

        ... it completely crashed it, and it created-

    28. JRJoe Rogan2:04:53

        Man

    29. FGForrest Galante2:04:53

        ... widespread hunger in a place that had no hunger. So now you have people with malaria and hunger.

    30. JRJoe Rogan2:04:59

        Ugh. [laughs] God.

Episode duration: 2:55:41