Joe Rogan Experience #2538 - Joe DeRosa

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Speaker 0:14 Hey.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Good to see you.

Speaker 0:15 Good to see you too.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Um, I went through a whole, um, like a series of different coffee machines that I tried out. I tried out one of 'em that was, like, this little thing that's like a tea dipper almost, like, for a individual cup of coffee. You put the grounds in this little thing. It's a little tiny press.

Speaker 0:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:35 And you, you, uh, boil the water-

Speaker 0:38 Okay

Joe Rogan 0:38 ... put it in the coffee cup, and then you sit it in there like it's tea, and then you press it.

Speaker 0:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:42 And it makes, like, a French press. Eh.

Speaker 0:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:45 Eh.

Speaker 0:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:46 So then I went to an AeroPress. I like that one a lot.

Speaker 0:50 What's an AeroPress?

Joe Rogan 0:51 I use that every day. So w- with an AeroPress, I boil the water, grind the beans-

Speaker 0:56 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 0:56 ... and then I pour it into this glass tube, and the glass tube has a filter at the bottom of it, like, and a, like a mesh, like a-

Speaker 1:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:04 ... a steel or an aluminum or... It's, I don't... Some kind of metal mesh. And then that's what it looks like.

Speaker 1:10 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:10 And so you press down, and it makes a cup of coffee real quick. And it's one cup, and so that's what I like. 'Cause I was making coffee, like, I was doing French press for a while. I had a, a coffee machine, but the issue is that you're not supposed to really be drinking out of hot plastic. All that shit's plastic. There's plastic, the water goes into plastic.

Speaker 1:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30 There's plastic here and plastic there. I'm trying to eliminate as much plastic in my life as possibly, as I possibly can.

Speaker 1:37 Well, I'll tell you too, I, a couple times in my adult life, splurged on, you know, some fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:46 One of them Italian espresso machines?

Speaker 1:47 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Did you get one of those?

Speaker 1:48 It gr- it grinds the beans every time-

Joe Rogan 1:50 Yeah

Speaker 1:50 ... you're gonna w- Those fucking things go sideways on you in a year.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:53 And then you're like, "I gotta get it fixed." And they're like, "Yeah, um, there's a shop. It's 90 minutes north of you. You drive the machine up there." [laughs] And you're just like, "Fuck this shit, man." So I went back, I just, I have an espresso, and you put the fucking pod in [laughs] and whatever. But-

Joe Rogan 2:09 There's a company that makes one, I should shout them out, that makes one that's all steel. I think it's called Simply Good Coffee. Um, I follow them on Instagram. I, I haven't used their machine. But that's all steel. It's an all-steel coffee machine-

Speaker 2:23 Okay

Joe Rogan 2:23 ... which is what you want. But, uh, I've got it down to the AeroPress. The AeroPress, to me, very simple. The minimal amount of, like, parts. It's just a tube. The gri- the grinds. The coffee tastes pure. It's simple. I make one cup of coffee a day.

Speaker 2:39 Here, here is, here is what I miss, 'cause I, I, I will drink a lot of coffee if I'm able to. Here's what I miss about, like, a traditional Mr. Coffee pot of coffee.

Joe Rogan 2:49 Okay.

Speaker 2:50 You set it, it starts doing it in the morning. You wake up, it's already going, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:54 Right.

Speaker 2:56 I get two cups hot in the morning. I put it in the fridge, and then in the afternoon, when I start feeling sluggish, I got two cold cups.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Mm.

Speaker 3:04 And it's just a nice, it's-

Joe Rogan 3:06 So you just want volume.

Speaker 3:07 I love volume.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Then make a French press. It'll taste better. This right here-

Speaker 3:11 But then, but then you gotta make it every time.

Joe Rogan 3:13 What are you-

Speaker 3:14 You gotta do one cup at a time.

Joe Rogan 3:15 You don't have a job.

Speaker 3:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:18 You lazy motherfucker. You don't even have a job.

Speaker 3:22 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:22 You literally talk shit for a living, and you're like, "Oh, making coffee's so hard." Someone had to skin a fucking buffalo-

Speaker 3:33 Mm

Joe Rogan 3:33 ... just to stay warm in the winter.

Speaker 3:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:36 Just to stay alive, they had to shred the skin off of it-

Speaker 3:38 Yeah

Joe Rogan 3:38 ... with a stone knife.

Speaker 3:40 Yep.

Joe Rogan 3:40 And they had to pull it and stretch it and tan it-

Speaker 3:42 Yeah

Joe Rogan 3:42 ... and put animal brains on it to make sure that it-

Speaker 3:45 Yeah

Joe Rogan 3:45 ... softened up and salt it down.

Speaker 3:48 And guess what?

Joe Rogan 3:48 [laughs]

Speaker 3:49 If you would've said to that guy, "Hey, we got this thing called Mr. Buffalo. It'll just do it real fast"

Joe Rogan 3:53 [laughs]

Speaker 3:54 ... he would've been like, "Okay. This sucks." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:58 [laughs] Mr. Buffalo. He would be fucking sitting in his teepee-

Speaker 4:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 4:03 ... going, "Bro, Mr. Buffalo's the shit."

Speaker 4:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:06 He'd get fat and lazy.

Speaker 4:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 So true.

Speaker 4:09 The, uh, but yeah, it's, I just, I like to make more than one cup at o- So that thing, that AeroPress-

Joe Rogan 4:14 Dude, French press is so easy. You talk about making it hard. This right here-

Speaker 4:18 Mm

Joe Rogan 4:18 ... this is an all-metal French press, no plastic parts at all. It's the fucking easiest thing in the world, dude.

Speaker 4:24 So this can make a full pot, though.

Joe Rogan 4:26 Yes.

Speaker 4:27 Oh, okay. Well, then that's-

Joe Rogan 4:28 Yeah, look at this

Speaker 4:28 ... I would do that.

Joe Rogan 4:28 This is, and this is not expensive. It's just a steel French press. This is the best-tasting coffee you're ever gonna get because it's got all the oils from the beans, man.

Speaker 4:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 4:38 You get, like, the, like, the real coffee dorks, you know, the fil- there's something happens in the filter.

Speaker 4:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:44 So in the filter, yes, you remove the grinds.

Speaker 4:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Yes. But also, you mo- remove some of the flavor.

Speaker 4:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Just a touch.

Speaker 4:51 Yeah, it's funny, man. When I, back when I was, w- when I, when I was still involved with the s- with the sandwich shop, one of the things I learned that I never knew, 'cause you had to take a test to get a food handler's license and all this shit, was, um, I didn't know that food started breaking down the moment you cut it. I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 5:11 Mm.

Speaker 5:11 Because I was getting into, at the time, meal prep and shit. Like, or f- or if I cut, if I cut up, if I chop the tomatoes now, if I chop the carrots now, the cucumbers now, it'll be way easier to just throw a salad together every day.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Right.

Speaker 5:22 It'll make me eat the f- the good thing, 'cause I'll be, it'll be fast. And then I learned, no, as soon as you cut something, it starts to break down.

Joe Rogan 5:29 Is this just vegetables?

Speaker 5:31 I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't think it c-

Joe Rogan 5:33 Yeah

Speaker 5:33 ... raw meat is fine or whatever, but, but vegetables.

Joe Rogan 5:36 That makes sense 'cause th- the inside's exposed to the air.

Speaker 5:38 Mm-hmm. But it's gotta be the same principle with coffee beans, I would think, right? Like, once they're ground.

Joe Rogan 5:44 Well, that's a good question. Yeah, I think people like to grind them, uh, right before they... I always grind them right before I make the coffee, um, which is easy.

Speaker 5:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Yeah, I have a grinder.

Speaker 5:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:55 I, it's a one-step, one button.

Speaker 5:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 5:57 I press it, it take, it takes 13 seconds. I, I count it. It goes... [imitates grinder] 13 seconds is the exact amount of beans that I want for one strong, I like a strong cup of coffee.

Speaker 6:07 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:07 One strong cup of coffee with that AeroPress thing. But it's the same thing with a French press.

Speaker 6:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:12 You take it, you just get a determined amount, and you can dial the kno- the knob on the grinder.

Speaker 6:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:17 It's so easy.

Speaker 6:18 I have-

Joe Rogan 6:18 Grinders are so simple. So listen, all you do is you take that ground coffee after it comes into the little cup, you pour it into the bottom of the fucking French press, and then you pour the hot water in. Done.

Speaker 6:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:29 That's it. And then you wait one minute, and then you push this fucking plunger down, and you drink the best coffee in the world. And it doesn't have any plastic, and it doesn't have any bullshit, and there's no moving parts.

Speaker 6:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:39 There's nothing. It's just that thing.

Speaker 6:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:41 And if the grinder breaks, you get another fucking grinder, okay? And grinders don't break. I've never had a grinder break.

Speaker 6:46 But you gotta boil the water first, correct?

Joe Rogan 6:48 Oh, my God. Are, are you okay?

Speaker 6:49 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 6:49 Are you gonna be okay? You gotta turn the knob on the stove. You gonna be okay? What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

Speaker 6:56 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 6:56 You gotta hit a button on the- This is so ridi- ... on the boiler, on the water boiler that you bought. He's so ridiculous. He's like, "Whoa, I can't heat the water. I gotta boil it"

Speaker 7:05 Dude, I get out of bed, it is-

Joe Rogan 7:08 Get an automatic kettle. You get a kettle.

Speaker 7:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:10 'Cause it, there's literally... I have one that has a setting that says French press on it. It's a steel kettle.

Speaker 7:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:15 And it works all electronically, so it's tempera- regulated temperature, and it beeps when it's done. You press 200 degrees, and then I press start, and it goes... [imitates kettle]

Speaker 7:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:26 And when that happens, I pour the water-

Speaker 7:28 Uh-huh

Joe Rogan 7:29 ... onto the beans.

Speaker 7:30 Well, now we're talking.

Joe Rogan 7:31 Now we're talking.

Speaker 7:32 An, an electric kettle. I'm thinking I gotta put a fucking pot on the stove [laughs] and-

Joe Rogan 7:35 That's even easier-

Speaker 7:36 ... boil the water

Joe Rogan 7:37 ... you fucking lazy bitch.

Speaker 7:38 It takes too, it takes too long. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 7:40 Dude, I get out of-

Speaker 7:41 You're such a lazy bitch. It's not laziness.

Joe Rogan 7:43 You're so lazy.

Speaker 7:46 I get out... [laughs]

Joe Rogan 7:46 [laughs]

Speaker 7:47 It's, I swear it's not laziness. I wake up with the dread of humanity in my fucking brain.

Joe Rogan 7:52 Ugh.

Speaker 7:52 I'm just like, "I need a cup of coffee immediately-

Joe Rogan 7:54 Mm

Speaker 7:54 ... to just start the day and just clear the head." And the longer that takes, the longer I gotta sit in that wake-up anxiety of-

Joe Rogan 8:02 Mm, I understand

Speaker 8:03 ... ugh. So but now we're talking. You know what I'm gonna get? I'm gonna get a boiling pot that you can set a timer on.

Joe Rogan 8:09 Yeah, they're easy. They're electronic kettles.

Speaker 8:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:12 They, they sell them online. And they have, like, settings for tea, settings for this, settings for hot cocoa. You know, there's, like, five or six different settings or something like that-

Speaker 8:19 All right

Joe Rogan 8:19 ... depending on the model.

Speaker 8:21 All right.

Joe Rogan 8:21 They're fucking so easy, dude. It's so-

Speaker 8:23 You sold me

Joe Rogan 8:23 ... my little... Yeah. And it's the best coffee. It tastes good. And I don't have to think. I had a whole, one of these really nice machines, and it could make an espresso, it can make a coffee, it can make a latte. It's got a little fucking foam thing that I've never used once.

Speaker 8:36 Dude-

Joe Rogan 8:36 Never. Never even thought about using it.

Speaker 8:38 Never.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Never even thought about steaming milk-

Speaker 8:40 Never

Joe Rogan 8:40 ... in my fucking house.

Speaker 8:41 Never.

Joe Rogan 8:41 But I always would, was thinking, "I'm just... This is all plastic." Every time I filled up the water thing, I'm like, "This is all plastic. Everything's plastic."

Speaker 8:49 Do you know, do you know what I saw, though, that made me wanna get the thing again with the s- the cream steamer? 'Cause I don't put cream in, so I don't have any use for it.

Joe Rogan 8:56 Black coffee, right?

Speaker 8:57 Black coffee always.

Joe Rogan 8:58 Fucking man.

Speaker 8:59 Always. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Me too.

Speaker 9:00 Yeah. Tony shits on it.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Of course he does.

Speaker 9:02 Uh.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Tony needs a fucking umbrella in his coffee.

Speaker 9:04 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 9:07 [laughs] He's got a-

Speaker 9:08 He needs an umbrella and a pineapple.

Joe Rogan 9:09 A cookie with it. Yeah. [laughs]

Speaker 9:10 And he holds it with one pinky out when he drinks his coffee. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 9:14 [laughs] He goes-

Speaker 9:16 I go, "I drink it black." He goes, "Ah, you fucking hate condiments." I was like, "What are you talking about?"

Joe Rogan 9:21 What the fuck is that? I like the taste of coffee.

Speaker 9:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:23 I do, I genuine, genuinely like black coffee.

Speaker 9:26 You know what I saw, though, that made me wanna get the, the, uh, foam steamer was not for foam. I... You know Alton Brown? The-

Joe Rogan 9:33 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 9:34 I love Alton Brown. He did a thing, he did a video where he made this thing with eggs, and he used the foam steamer to, like, foam the eggs up.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Ooh. Ooh.

Speaker 9:44 And I was like, "This looks fu-" I, I wanna get it just for that, just to do the thing with the eggs.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Hmm, interesting.

Speaker 9:50 But then you gotta-

Joe Rogan 9:51 So you're lazy when it comes to making coffee-

Speaker 9:53 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 9:53 ... but you go way out of the way for some foamy eggs.

Speaker 9:55 I'll c- I'll cook.

Joe Rogan 9:56 You'll use the steamer. [laughs]

Speaker 9:59 I like to cook. I like to cook. I'll cook.

Joe Rogan 10:01 There it is right here. Oh, wow.

Speaker 10:02 Look at that, dude.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 10:07 He said this is, like, apparently incredible. He, he, it's like two eggs, a little cheese.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Interesting. Interesting. And so you, uh, you whisk it up like that-

Speaker 10:19 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 10:19 ... and then you add the foam, and the foam cooks it? Is that how he's cooking it, with the foam? Yeah.

Speaker 10:24 The f- he cooks the eggs with the foamer.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Oh. So what is in the foamer? Foam. Is it just hot water? Yeah. That's it? Yep. Okay. So this hot water from the steam is cooking his eggs. That's-

Speaker 10:37 Look at the egg cooking. Look at that

Joe Rogan 10:38 ... pretty fucking dope.

Speaker 10:40 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 10:41 He's got, he's eating...

Speaker 10:43 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:44 Or you just eat eggs.

Speaker 10:45 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 10:45 Fuck's wrong with you? Just crack some fucking eggs. Fry some eggs. What's the problem?

Speaker 10:50 You don't think that looks good?

Joe Rogan 10:51 It doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs.

Speaker 10:54 Foamy eggs?

Joe Rogan 10:54 I was looking at it, I was like, "Fuck those foamy eggs."

Speaker 10:56 Oh, can you imagine-

Joe Rogan 10:57 I want, I want a real egg

Speaker 10:58 ... could you imagine dunking toast in those foamy eggs? Come on, dude.

Joe Rogan 11:01 No, 'cause I don't even eat toast.

Speaker 11:02 Come on.

Joe Rogan 11:03 No.

Speaker 11:03 Toast once in a while.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Occasionally.

Speaker 11:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 You know when I get it? With, um, uh, steak tartare. I like those little toast points.

Speaker 11:11 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:11 You ever get some steak tartare-

Speaker 11:13 Oh, yeah

Joe Rogan 11:13 ... with the toast points-

Speaker 11:14 Yeah

Joe Rogan 11:14 ... at J. Carver? You ever go to J. Carver?

Speaker 11:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:16 Bro.

Speaker 11:16 Of course. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:17 Bro.

Speaker 11:18 What's your favorite spot, uh, in Austin to get a, a meal? Like, is it-

Joe Rogan 11:23 It's impossible to say. There's so many good spots. There's so many good spots. Austin is crazy-

Speaker 11:29 There's good spots

Joe Rogan 11:29 ... with the amount of great restaurants.

Speaker 11:31 Mm.

Joe Rogan 11:31 Like, really high-end restaurants. I've eaten steak at every fucking restaurant in town, and I gotta think the best one is Jeffrey's. Jeffrey's is

Speaker 11:41 I still haven't gone.

Joe Rogan 11:42 It's perfection

Speaker 11:42 I gotta go.

Joe Rogan 11:42 It's perfe- they're all great. Like, I've never had a bad steak at J. Carver's. I've never had a bad steak at, uh, Eddie V's.

Speaker 11:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 11:51 They're all great, but there's something about whatever Jeffrey's is doing. I think they got rated, like, the number two steakhouse in the country, something crazy like that.

Speaker 12:00 I gotta go to Jeffrey's. I've been dragging my ass. I love J. Carver. I love-

Joe Rogan 12:04 J. Carver's amazing

Speaker 12:04 ... you know, and-

Joe Rogan 12:05 Amazing. Their steak is different.

Speaker 12:07 Mm.

Joe Rogan 12:07 Jeffrey's steak, you know, like J. Carver's steak is, uh, he's, he's using one of those Argentine grills.

Speaker 12:13 Yeah

Joe Rogan 12:13 So it's all live fire over wood, delicious flavor.

Speaker 12:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:16 But man, uh, just like another, another level, like, whatever Jeffrey's doing, like, fuck.

Speaker 12:22 I go... I love Gary, the bartender at Eddie V's, and he makes killer martinis. I love to go in, get a martini.

Joe Rogan 12:29 Great bar

Speaker 12:30 ... shrimp cocktail.

Joe Rogan 12:31 Beautiful bar.

Speaker 12:31 Yeah, and, uh, and some steak. But I love... I gotta tell you, it's the same owners as J. Carver. I actually think I like the, uh, steak at Red Ash a little bit better than J. Carver.

Joe Rogan 12:43 How?

Speaker 12:45 There's just something different about it. I don't, I don't know what the difference in the prep is-

Joe Rogan 12:48 Hm

Speaker 12:48 ... but just the steak, and then also having the option of all the Italian foods that you can get with the steak.

Joe Rogan 12:53 Yeah, Red Ash is phenomenal, too.

Speaker 12:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 12:55 They have another place called, um, The Kimberly. That's, that place is phenomenal, too.

Speaker 12:59 Kimberly's very good, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:00 There's, there's too many good restaurants. You have a, an abundance of choices here.

Speaker 13:06 It took, it took a minute because when I first moved back, 'cause I was here in 2000 for a year. When I first moved back, you know, I was in New York for so long, I forgot, like, Austin is more of a destination city. You have to kind of find the places. And Tommy Pope was like, "Dude, give me your phone." And he went into my Google Maps, and he bookmarked 10 spots.

Joe Rogan 13:31 Oh.

Speaker 13:31 And was like, "Get this here, get this there, get this here, get..." And every spot, I was like, "Okay, now, now we're, now we're rocking and rolling." It was great.

Joe Rogan 13:39 Yeah, imagine back in the day before the internet. You couldn't just Google, like, "What's the best steakhouse in Austin?" You couldn't j- I mean, that's kind of an amazing thing now.

Speaker 13:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:49 You had to be told about a restaurant.

Speaker 13:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:51 You know?

Speaker 13:51 Yeah. Yeah. What's, what's tu- I, I do that in cities. Um, when I'm on the road, I'll, I'll look up, "What's the best Italian sandwich in this city?"

Joe Rogan 14:00 Yeah, I do that.

Speaker 14:01 Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's like, you know, restau-

Joe Rogan 14:05 The most popular touristy place.

Speaker 14:06 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 14:07 Yeah.

Speaker 14:07 Sometimes it's just a place that paid for publicity, so they're getting on these lists, and it's not accurate, but when you find it, it's great. The internet is a great tool to help find these places. Like you said, it used to just be word of mouth. You used to just have to say, "What's good?" And now you're depending on some guy's opinion, which is not always the best, but...

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yeah, but uh, there's some certain places, it's like y- people are your own little Siskel and Ebert for movies.

Speaker 14:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:35 But for, for restaurants. Like, you've gotta find a fat guy who loves food.

Speaker 14:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:40 That guy's gonna tell you where the best spots are.

Speaker 14:41 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:42 You know?

Speaker 14:43 Yeah, yeah. You know who knows everything.

Joe Rogan 14:45 There's, like, East Coast places, though, that you're just never gonna get anywhere else other than the East Coast. There's certain, like, kinda small Italian restaurants in, in particular.

Speaker 14:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:55 Like, there's this place I used to go to when I lived in New Rochelle, Frank and John's. I think it was Frankie and Johnnie's. I think that's what it was called.

Speaker 15:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 15:01 In New Rochelle, this Italian place. It was so fucking insane. It was so insane.

Speaker 15:05 Man.

Joe Rogan 15:05 It was so good.

Speaker 15:05 They made a movie about that.

Joe Rogan 15:08 Really?

Speaker 15:08 There was a movie called Frankie and Johnnie with Al Pacino, and I think it's about that restaurant. I think he works at that restaurant.

Joe Rogan 15:14 Really?

Speaker 15:15 Yeah. I th- I think so. It, yeah, it, it's, it's gotta be.

Joe Rogan 15:18 There's a lot of restaurants.

Speaker 15:19 Right, but it's called-

Joe Rogan 15:20 I mean, I'm 90% sure it was in New Rochelle, 'cause that's where I lived.

Speaker 15:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:24 I lived in New Rochelle. If it wasn't in New Rochelle, it was in the surrounding areas, like maybe Mount Vernon or something like that, but oh my God, dude, it was so good. When I got my first development deal, um, my manager thought that I had a gambling problem.

Speaker 15:37 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 15:37 But it was really just because I was eating steak and lobster every night. [laughs]

Speaker 15:42 [laughs] He's going, "Where's all your money going?"

Joe Rogan 15:44 He's like, "What are you doing? [laughs] You're spending so much money. Do you have a gambling problem?"

Speaker 15:49 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 15:50 And I was like, "No, I'm eating steak and lobster every night, dude. I've been poor my whole life. I'm fucking eating like a king."

Speaker 15:55 Dude-

Joe Rogan 15:55 "Until this shit runs out, I don't even know if it's gonna last, but I'm riding this bitch right into the rocks."

Speaker 16:00 My favorite thing about when I finally got to a point of some financial stability with this crazy career that you go through for a long time without knowing what's next, but my favorite thing was when I could go, "I can eat whatever I want now." Like, that was, that was-

Joe Rogan 16:19 Right

Speaker 16:19 ... a huge moment to me. I-

Joe Rogan 16:20 That's one of the biggest mo- Brian Callen said that to me once. He goes, "The most impo-" He goes, "Other than obviously taking care of your family and mortgage and all that stuff, the, after, like, life necessity, the big change, the big change is being able to go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not think about it."

Speaker 16:39 Mm.

Joe Rogan 16:39 "Not worry about the bill."

Speaker 16:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:41 And if you can do that, like, you have real freedom. Like, that's, like, the, the big l- the first big leap.

Speaker 16:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:48 And then everything after that is, like, these little things. It's great. "Oh, look, I live in a nice apartment. Oh, look, I have a nice car. Oh, look-

Speaker 16:55 Mm

Joe Rogan 16:55 ... I got the shoes that I wanted. Oh, look."

Speaker 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:57 That's all fine.

Speaker 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 It's nice, but the l- the weight that's lifted off of you when you don't have to worry about your bills, that's number one.

Speaker 17:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 That's the big one.

Speaker 17:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 That's the giant leap. That's the between the two buildings. Like, I don't know if this is gonna work out to wee, bump.

Speaker 17:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Okay, n- I'm gonna be okay.

Speaker 17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Now it's just about how hard do I work and-

Speaker 17:16 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 17:17 ... what kind of success do I have.

Speaker 17:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:18 But I can feed myself now with no fears.

Speaker 17:21 Dude, um, I, I actually might have said this to you the last time I was here. I don't remember, but it's, uh, the, the, the, the most profound moment for me in practicing gratitude for, for my life, I swear to God, it's the supermarket. When I check out at the supermarket, I try to remind myself You just pulled whatever you wanted off the shelf to fill your cart, and you didn't have to worry about, can I pay for this or not?

Joe Rogan 17:50 Right.

Speaker 17:50 You're checking out-

Joe Rogan 17:51 Yeah

Speaker 17:51 ... and you're paying for your groceries, and it, it costs what it co- and you're wor- I was like, "People, there are people that don't have this, man. Remember this. This is-"

Joe Rogan 17:57 A ton of people.

Speaker 17:58 It's... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:59 Here's the question, though. Do you think that there's value in not having that when you're young, and then developing that sort of drive and ambition and desire to earn money and get something, because you know what it's like to be poor?

Speaker 18:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:14 Or do you think the world would be a far better place if instead of people having to concentrate on necessities like food and shelter, society reaches a point where that is a given-

Speaker 18:30 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 18:31 ... and no one ever has to worry about food and shelter.

Speaker 18:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:34 And now it's all about, what do you wanna pursue and how much energy you put into it? Or do you think that you have to have that struggle?

Speaker 18:43 I think... Look, I, I don't think that that struggle and the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody. I think it's a, I think it's a, it, it builds your spirit and it builds your, who you are. That said, I, the other version of it, I, I don't know because it's just not a thing that w- we have here. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 19:02 It's not a thing that people have ever experienced here, and I don't even know if they really experience it anywhere else. I mean, I think there's, like, forms of socialism, but they all involve oppression. There's... They all involve government overreach. They all... Any, any real socialist system always involves, like, serious restrictions on what you can and can't do.

Speaker 19:34 I will tell you this, and this might be a by-product of the culture we live in, 'cause we don't have it. I will say, I, there is a noticeable difference to me between people I am friendly with that grew up with money and people that I, that I know that grew up that didn't have it.

Joe Rogan 20:38 Right, but is that because of our society?

Speaker 20:40 That's my question, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:41 There's th- this is the question that I have. Like, is it necessary that that has to be your struggle in order to develop the kind of discipline that you need to be successful in life? Or is it just our society is fucked up, and that desperation that we're putting into people, you're just making the motivation different.

Speaker 20:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:59 Like, you're enforcing the idea of greed, because people become selfish because no one was looking out for them, and they d- have a chip on their shoulder, all that shit.

Speaker 21:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:07 But you don't necessarily have to have that to have interest in pursuing something to the best of your abilities.

Speaker 21:13 Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a tough thing to, to define. It's, it really is. I think, um, I think there's bonuses to both, but I also think, too, in, in, in, in the social society thing, hey, isn't it great if you can go, "Hey, man, um, I'm a waiter and I'm able to live a normal life and buy a house and, and, and be nor-" You know, whatever.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yeah, but that's not socialist. That's just a... We, w- we're fucked in terms of, like, the amount people earn versus what you can buy-

Speaker 21:43 Right

Joe Rogan 21:43 ... versus, like, the 1950s. In the 1950s, y- you know, the, the way a person could make a living and feed an entire family off of one paycheck, it was, it was way easier.

Speaker 21:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:56 It was a lot easier.

Speaker 21:57 Yeah. Well, it always makes me laugh 'cause one of my favorite, uh, TV shows of all time is All in the Family.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 22:03 Right? And the whole thing with All in the Family was supposed to be that they were kinda struggling. Like, Archie was a cab driver, and they didn't have a lot of money, whatever. You look at that fucking house they lived in.

Joe Rogan 22:13 Right.

Speaker 22:13 You're like, [laughs] that house would be $10.3 million now. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 22:19 [laughs]

Speaker 22:19 Like, they're living pretty fucking good.

Joe Rogan 22:20 It's a nice house.

Speaker 22:21 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 22:21 Right. It's all clean and nice inside.

Speaker 22:23 It's got two floors. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 22:25 Yeah. The guy's a cab driver.

Speaker 22:26 Yeah, yeah. So it's a tough, uh, it's a tough thing, but, uh, I... As far as the society we live in personally, I think it's better to have known what nothing is and then go to appreciating what you do have once you have it.

Joe Rogan 22:40 I don't know because I've never, I've never grown up any other way.

Speaker 22:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:45 But I wonder if you have a con- if you have conscientious parents, and you're a young kid, and, you know, your dad just sits you down and tells you, "Hey, buddy, you can be whatever you want, but you're gonna have to fucking put in the work. Like, there's, there's only one way out of this thing-

Speaker 23:00 Right

Joe Rogan 23:00 ... and nobody, nobody rides for free.

Speaker 23:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 And if you do ride for free, you're gonna be depressed.

Speaker 23:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:04 If somebody gives you everything that you have, those are the people that are the most aimless. The rich kids-

Speaker 23:10 Yeah

Joe Rogan 23:10 ... that I've met that have no... Like, they've had money their entire life.

Speaker 23:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Like, they, their parents just give them a trust fund so they don't have to work, and they're worth, like, a ton of money.

Speaker 23:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:19 They're all sad.

Speaker 23:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:20 They're all sad. Then, then they have, they're all super insecure. They're all f- they all act real weird.

Speaker 23:26 Yeah. I know one or two people that had t- trust funds, grew up like that, but still worked their asses off because, again-

Joe Rogan 23:33 That's great

Speaker 23:33 ... you're saying it's what the parents had said. What... You know, there's-

Joe Rogan 23:35 I think a big part of that, right, is what the parents instill in you.

Speaker 23:38 There's all this talk now of Nepo babies and all that stuff. I was good friends years ago, uh, with, uh, Eden, Eden Brolin. Um, she's Josh Brolin's daughter. And she was very close with her dad. I remember, I remember she was in my house one day in LA, and she's like, "I'm not supposed to tell anybody. My dad's gonna be Thanos in the Marvel movies." And I was like, "That's fucking crazy, right?"

Joe Rogan 24:01 [laughs]

Speaker 24:01 So [laughs] like, so like, but she... Dude, she worked for every fucking thing. She- I f- became friends with her 'cause she was a hostess at The Stand in New York. Like, she always had regular jobs. She plays in a band now. She does some acting. But she is not in a s- situation where her dad put her wherever, and I think it's because they're very close, but I think it was because she was just raised in a way where he was like, "You're gonna earn your shit, and you know, and, and you're-"

Joe Rogan 24:29 Right

Speaker 24:29 ... gonna do your thing." And, and she's an amazing person. Like, there was none of that, none of that, "My dad's famous, and I'm comfortable" arrogance at all.

Joe Rogan 24:37 But he's a cool guy. He's a very normal guy. Like-

Speaker 24:40 I never met him.

Joe Rogan 24:41 He's a very nice guy.

Speaker 24:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Very, very smart and very normal.

Speaker 24:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:43 Like, you, you can hang out with him, talk, him, jokes around. He's like, he's p- very present.

Speaker 24:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:49 And there's, there's a lot of people like that, that you think of, you know... You think of actors as all being these fucking aloof weirdos at, who live in this bizarre liberal, like, progressive leftist bubble, and a lot of them are.

Speaker 25:03 Mm.

Joe Rogan 25:03 There's, there's a giant number that are. But man, there's a ton of, like, really solid, cool people that are actors.

Speaker 25:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Like Billy Bob Thornton.

Speaker 25:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Cool as fuck, man.

Speaker 25:12 He seems awesome.

Joe Rogan 25:13 So cool. He got, actually got me this short shirt. Shout out to him-

Speaker 25:17 Ah

Joe Rogan 25:17 ... because he was wearing it.

Speaker 25:17 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 25:18 And I said, "Nice shirt, man." And so he hooked it up. [laughs]

Speaker 25:20 I'd love to meet him.

Joe Rogan 25:21 He's great.

Speaker 25:21 I'd love to meet him.

Joe Rogan 25:22 He's great. There's a lot of those guys that are really great. Woody Harrelson's fucking great.

Speaker 25:27 I was just gonna say-

Joe Rogan 25:28 Matt McConaughey's great.

Speaker 25:29 I became-

Joe Rogan 25:30 Great guys

Speaker 25:30 ... friendly with Woody and his wife through Tony. And-

Joe Rogan 25:33 He is so nice

Speaker 25:34 ... he's the fucking be- They're both amazing.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Yeah.

Speaker 25:37 They're, they're... Like, he's, he's so fucking-

Joe Rogan 25:40 So normal

Speaker 25:40 ... cool, man.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Yeah.

Speaker 25:41 Yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 25:42 So, so cool and present, has zero ego. He's just always chill and hanging out, always, like, super friendly and nice to everybody. Woody's so nice.

Speaker 25:52 He, he, he said a thing to me it- with- the first time I ever hung out with him, he came to kill Tony, and, and, and we were drinking after the show and we had a great time. And at the end of the night, he just goes, he... And Tony had plugged my special at the beginning of the show or whatever. And at the end of the night... And I mean, we'd had a few. We were in Mitzi's. We were all kinda just getting into that, swaying around. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 26:19 [laughs]

Speaker 26:19 You know? And, uh, I was like, "It was great to meet you, man." And he goes, he goes, "Yeah, man, it was fun tonight." And he goes, "I'm gonna watch your special."

Joe Rogan 26:27 Right.

Speaker 26:27 And I go, "Thanks, man." And he goes, "I never promised you a rose garden." And I was like, "Yeah, that's the name." And he's like, "I'm gonna wa-" I'm like, "This fucking guy remembered the name of my special from a plug five hours ago." And I was like, "That's fucking awesome, man."

Joe Rogan 26:45 That's very cool.

Speaker 26:46 Like, what a fucking-

Joe Rogan 26:47 He's just a good dude.

Speaker 26:48 Yeah. What an awesome dude.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Yeah, they exist, man, you know? There's a lot of them out there. You'd be shocked.

Speaker 26:55 Mm.

Joe Rogan 26:55 Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, very cool guys. Like, talk to them on and off here. I've t- I've talked to Matt before. I actually randomly ran into Matt Damon a few years back in Italy at a restaurant where he was seated under a picture of him. [laughs]

Speaker 27:10 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 27:13 So I had already met him before at the UFC, and then, uh, we were in Italy. I was with my family, and he was with his family, and he sat down. And we were already sitting down, and we were right across. I go, "Oh, look at that picture of Matt Damon." And then literally, Matt Damon walks in and sits-

Speaker 27:29 Oh

Joe Rogan 27:29 ... right under the picture of Matt Damon.

Speaker 27:31 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 27:32 And I go, "Hey, Matt." And he's like, "Hey, what are you doing here?" Gave me a big hug. And I was like, "But this is so meta."

Speaker 27:38 Did you ever see, uh-

Joe Rogan 27:38 So strange, the, the-

Speaker 27:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 27:40 ... to, like, look at a photo of a guy on the wall-

Speaker 27:42 Yeah

Joe Rogan 27:42 ... and go, "Oh, I know him."

Speaker 27:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:43 "That's Matt Damon."

Speaker 27:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:44 And then he comes in and sits right there-

Speaker 27:46 It's-

Joe Rogan 27:46 ... right after you say it.

Speaker 27:47 It's so funny. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 27:48 What are the odds? [laughs]

Speaker 27:49 That's so funny.

Joe Rogan 27:50 What are the odds?

Speaker 27:51 Do you ever see, uh, do you ever see Auto Focus, the Bob Crane movie?

Joe Rogan 27:54 Yes.

Speaker 27:55 With Craig Kilborn.

Joe Rogan 27:55 What a crazy movie, man.

Speaker 27:56 I love that movie.

Joe Rogan 27:57 That movie's crazy.

Speaker 27:58 Do you-

Joe Rogan 27:58 Do you think the guy killed him, his buddy?

Speaker 28:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:01 Yeah.

Speaker 28:01 I do. I do.

Joe Rogan 28:02 It seems like it, right?

Speaker 28:03 I do. I think so. But that's... When they show how he would get laid on the road-

Joe Rogan 28:08 Crazy. He would wait for the reruns of Hogan's Heroes to be on TV, and then he'd sit in front of the television. [laughs]

Speaker 28:14 Yeah. He knew when they were on. And there's that scene-

Joe Rogan 28:17 Ah!

Speaker 28:17 There's that scene where he tells the bartender, and he goes, "Could you put on channel 22?" Whatever.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Yeah.

Speaker 28:20 She puts it on, and he's sitting under it, and then the hot chick comes up, and she goes, "Oh my God, is that you?" And he goes, "Oh, how embarrassing."

Joe Rogan 28:27 [laughs]

Speaker 28:27 I didn't even... [laughs] Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Well, back then, you gotta think, Hogan's Heroes, first of all, how much has society changed and how much more sensitive have people gotten-

Speaker 28:39 Mm

Joe Rogan 28:40 ... when you think that Hogan's Heroes was a show about a Nazi concentration camp-

Speaker 28:45 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 28:46 ... and it was a comedy?

Speaker 28:47 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 28:48 It was a comedy.

Speaker 28:49 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:50 It was a comedy about prisoners of war that were captured by the Nazis.

Speaker 28:54 Yeah, yeah. And they made... The, like, they had, like, lovable Nazis.

Joe Rogan 28:58 Lovable Nazis-

Speaker 28:59 They made them, like, bumbling

Joe Rogan 29:00 ... that were, like, bumbling buddies.

Speaker 29:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 29:03 Nobody died.

Speaker 29:05 No.

Joe Rogan 29:05 The show was on for, like, five years. Nobody died.

Speaker 29:07 Nope.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Did anybody... How many seasons did Hogan's Heroes go?

Speaker 29:10 168 episodes, six seasons.

Joe Rogan 29:12 [laughs]

Speaker 29:12 God damn.

Joe Rogan 29:14 168 episodes, six seasons, and no one died.

Speaker 29:18 It's cra- [laughs]

Joe Rogan 29:18 They didn't kill anybody.

Speaker 29:20 No.

Joe Rogan 29:20 How many people died on Hogan's Heroes? Run that through our s- AI sponsor, Perplexity. [laughs]

Speaker 29:25 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 29:26 How many people died during World War II in a Nazi prison?

Speaker 29:32 Not a one. Not a one. Nobody got tortured.

Joe Rogan 29:35 In six years and 148 episodes. [laughs]

Speaker 29:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:38 [laughs]

Speaker 29:38 It's so insane. Do you think... They, they get into a little bit of this in the movie, but they, they, they play it down. But do you think there was a lot of pushback- Do you think there was like the, that they were like, "What are you, fucking crazy? We can't make this show. This is nuts." Or was it just, "Eh"?

Joe Rogan 29:54 In the movie was there pushback? I don't remember.

Speaker 29:56 There's a little bit where he's like, "It's kinda crazy."

Joe Rogan 30:00 Almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event in Hogan's Heroes. It was a broad comedy, and the regular heroes, Hogan, Klink. Heroes. Klink. Colonel Klink. Schultz, the fucking Nazi guard, he's a hero. And the prisoners survive the series. The notable fictional death of Major Wolfgang Hochstetter, who's reportedly killed during an Allied bombing raid in The Com- Commandant Dies at Dawn. The title's misleading. Colonel Klink is not killed, so the practical answer is one named reoccurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties implied rather than shown.

Speaker 30:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Nobody died, obviously.

Speaker 30:39 That's-

Joe Rogan 30:41 Klink was like, remember, "I see nothing."

Speaker 30:43 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 30:43 He saw nothing. He was always like, "I gotta get outta here. I see nothing."

Speaker 30:47 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 30:47 Like, they're all plotting fucking devious things to try to get back at the guards.

Speaker 30:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:52 And he was like, "I see nothing."

Speaker 30:54 It's like having a show where the Klan kidnaps people.

Joe Rogan 30:57 [laughs]

Speaker 30:58 And then the Klan is, like, kinda funny.

Joe Rogan 30:59 And the, the, the, the Black guys are, like, break dancing. The Klan's having a good time with them.

Speaker 31:03 Yeah. The closest I've ever seen to it is Tarantino in Django when he makes the Klan scene funny, when they're all kinda dumb. Do you remember that scene?

Joe Rogan 31:12 God, I don't remember that scene, unfortunately.

Speaker 31:14 There's a scene with the Klan, and they're ... I think Jonah Hill has a cameo in it, and they're all kinda dumb, and it's, like, funny dialogue with the Klan. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 31:22 Yeah.

Speaker 31:22 And you're like, "I don't know how he just pulled this off," but he did. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 31:26 [laughs]

Speaker 31:26 The scene with the bags where they're trying to talk about the, like, "My wife made mine."

Speaker 31:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:31 Oh. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 31:33 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 Well, my point was that if you go back to that year, like, what year was Hogan's Heroes? Was it the '70s?

Speaker 31:42 '65 to '71 is when it aired.

Joe Rogan 31:43 '65 to '71.

Speaker 31:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 31:46 Being on television was a very new thing.

Speaker 31:49 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 Very new thing.

Speaker 31:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:51 A sitcom star was a very new thing. It was only at the most, what, two decades old? How old is The Honeymooners?

Speaker 32:01 That's-

Joe Rogan 32:01 What year was that?

Speaker 32:02 Honeymooners are the early '50s, I believe, right? I think. And it was a spinoff of the Gleason, uh, Variety hour, whatever the fuck that was called.

Speaker 32:12 '55.

Speaker 32:12 It was a sketch they did.

Joe Rogan 32:13 '55?

Speaker 32:14 '55, '56. Yeah, it was only on TV for a year.

Joe Rogan 32:16 What?

Speaker 32:16 Or two. I gotta-

Speaker 32:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:17 What year did it start?

Speaker 32:18 It says it air- originally aired from '55 to '56.

Joe Rogan 32:22 Wow.

Speaker 32:23 That's the thi-

Joe Rogan 32:24 The Honeymooners, there's only one season?

Speaker 32:26 So I have both Honeymooners box sets 'cause I love the show.

Speaker 32:28 39 episodes.

Joe Rogan 32:29 39 episodes in one season, that's a lot.

Speaker 32:32 The main box set is called the Classic 39, because that's all the episodes that weren't sketches on the show or anything like that.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Oh.

Speaker 32:39 He did 39 episodes, and he was like, "We did it. It's done." It's ... Like, nobody does that now.

Joe Rogan 32:45 Right.

Speaker 32:46 You know? Uh, Seinfeld did it, and, uh, Ricky Gervais does it. He does th- three seasons, and he goes, "That's it." They did 39, and it was a massive success, and they were like, "You have to do more of these." And he's like, "Nope. We did it. We're good. We have nothing left to say."

Joe Rogan 33:01 Really?

Speaker 33:02 Yeah. And then they did reunion shows and shit, but, like, that was it. That's wild.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Well-

Speaker 33:06 That's wild

Joe Rogan 33:07 ... he went on to do all kinds of other shit, though. He went-

Speaker 33:09 Oh, yeah

Joe Rogan 33:10 ... he was in, uh, The Hustler in '62. He played a-

Speaker 33:13 Minnesota-

Joe Rogan 33:13 ... a serious role

Speaker 33:14 ... Minnesota Fats.

Joe Rogan 33:15 Yeah.

Speaker 33:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:16 You know, he was, he was, like, the only guy that's ever been in a movie about a pool player that was a real pool player.

Speaker 33:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:24 Like, he could fucking play.

Speaker 33:25 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Like, when you watch him play in the movie, you're like, "Oh, okay. That's a real pool player."

Speaker 33:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Like, the way he strokes the ball.

Speaker 33:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:33 He strokes the ball like a pro. Guy, he could run, like, I think he ran, like, 75 balls in straight pool. It might be 100. But, like, the hu- 100 balls is, like, the number. If you could run 100 balls in straight pool, people are like, "That guy's legit. He's a, he can run 100 balls."

Speaker 33:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:48 You know? And he could do that.

Speaker 33:50 Gleason was, uh-

Joe Rogan 33:51 Kinda interesting

Speaker 33:51 ... an incredible character.

Joe Rogan 33:51 Wanna touch him?

Speaker 33:52 What's kinda interesting about the show, the, the, the sketches were over 35 minutes or more, and the writers felt restricted by the half-hour format.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Wow.

Speaker 34:02 So that partially had something to ... Also, he had a contract, uh, issue, too.

Joe Rogan 34:07 So they were, they felt restricted, but because they didn't have enough-

Speaker 34:10 They wanted more time to ... They said it was too slapstick-y and fast-paced according to TV Guide.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Huh.

Speaker 34:16 Look at this. He had $7 million left on his contract in 1956-

Joe Rogan 34:22 Whoa

Speaker 34:22 ... which is crazy money. "The excellence of the material could not be maintained. I had too much fondness for the show to cheapen it."

Joe Rogan 34:29 Wow.

Speaker 34:29 I mean, that is baller shit back then. Like, that is not something people were doing back then.

Joe Rogan 34:34 Or he's, he just got lazy 'cause he had so much money. He was like-

Speaker 34:38 Yeah, he had it o- they, CBS was gonna give him-

Joe Rogan 34:40 Oh

Speaker 34:40 ... a three-year contract for what would've been $132 million today. He was gonna get close to, like, a million dollars an episode.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 34:48 Wow. Uh-

Joe Rogan 34:49 A million an episode back then?

Speaker 34:50 It was close to that. No, no, no, no, no. Like, what today's money was.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Oh, what today is.

Speaker 34:53 Sorry, I forget where it was on here, but ...

Speaker 34:56 But even that's, like, kind of unheard of. When Seinfeld, when it was announced they were all gonna get a million an episode, I remember that was, like, groundbreaking.

Joe Rogan 35:03 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 35:03 It was like, "This has never been done before"-

Joe Rogan 35:05 Right

Speaker 35:05 ... and whatever. This guy was o- offered the equivalent of that back in '56 and said, "Nah, I'm good."

Joe Rogan 35:12 Well, he probably already had so much money.

Speaker 35:13 He, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:13 And he was drunk all the time.

Speaker 35:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:15 That guy drank all the time.

Speaker 35:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:18 He was so fun.

Speaker 35:19 Did you ever watch his final interview?

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yes, yes.

Speaker 35:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:22 Yeah, I'm not-

Speaker 35:22 He's in the track suit just chain smoking.

Joe Rogan 35:24 Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 35:25 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:25 He didn't give a fuck.

Speaker 35:26 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:27 Track suit, train smo- wow, he was making $839,000 now, the equivalent.

Speaker 35:33 But he had to pay for production costs it says.

Joe Rogan 35:36 Oh, that's different.

Speaker 35:37 Yeah.

Speaker 35:38 Oh, okay.

Speaker 35:39 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Art Kinney, Carney received $3,500 a week, which is $42,000 a week now. Audrey Meadows, $2,000 a week. Wow, women got fucked over back then. [laughs]

Speaker 35:50 No, but Jackie Gleason Enterprises was running the show, so, I mean.

Speaker 35:53 [laughs] Yeah, he fucked her over is what I'm saying. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 35:56 She got [laughs] ... Art Carney got fucking almost twice as much as her.

Speaker 36:01 Goddamn. Gee, that was-

Joe Rogan 36:03 She was his wife

Speaker 36:04 ... yeah

Speaker 36:05 Only one person got residuals.

Joe Rogan 36:06 What?

Speaker 36:07 Yeah. Reportedly only, only cast member to receive residuals when the-

Speaker 36:10 Newsradio

Speaker 36:10 ... the rerun broadcast.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Oh, because they had to change that shit later. Yeah. They m- you know, that's where those strikes and the Writer's Union and the SAG, all that stuff really plays a part. 'Cause you get... I got residuals for Newsradio, and they're not what you think they are. Like, people think it's, it's, it's gonna, like, change your life, you never have to work again. That's only for the people like Jerry Seinfeld-

Speaker 36:34 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 36:34 ... that own the show.

Speaker 36:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:35 The regular people that get residuals, it's nice. It's a good thing.

Speaker 36:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:39 But it's, it makes sense. They're showing the fucking show over and over and over again. It's still your work.

Speaker 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:46 You know? It does make sense. You're reselling it, so it's not the original deal that you had to put it on NBC for one e- now it's like a thing where you're gonna sell it again.

Speaker 36:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:56 And so all the actors get paid again. It makes sense.

Speaker 36:59 Dude, I've told you this before, I'm gonna tell you again so it's documented. And I know you're not that interested, but you, you need to fucking keep acting, dude. You're fucking great on that show. That is not easy a- I, in my opinion, multi-cam sitcom, despite it being the easiest job in show business as far as payment, time versus reward, it is the hardest type of acting because it is an acting where you have to land jokes and gags, and you have to make it convincing. That is very, very, very hard to do. You are f- so fucking good on that show. I, I, I, I'm t- and I watch Newsradio all the time still. I told you last time I was here, it got me th- it was one of the things that got me through COVID, was doing Newsradio front to back. You need to, you need to keep acting, brother.

Joe Rogan 37:46 That's very nice of you.

Speaker 37:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Thank you very much. But I think your idea of what's very hard to do and my idea of what's very hard to do-

Speaker 37:51 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... are two totally different things.

Speaker 37:53 Well-

Joe Rogan 37:53 'Cause acting on a sitcom is easy as fuck.

Speaker 37:56 Okay.

Speaker 37:56 Joe's boiling water.

Joe Rogan 37:57 So- [laughs]

Speaker 37:58 Joe's boiling water. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 38:02 [laughs]

Speaker 38:02 You know what?

Joe Rogan 38:04 You know what? This is, this is Joe DeRosa in the green room of the mothership. "You know what?" [laughs]

Speaker 38:09 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 38:09 How many times do you have to say that in a fucking night? [laughs]

Speaker 38:14 I go in that green room. You're all fucking, you're all-

Joe Rogan 38:17 [laughs] I'll go after you, dude

Speaker 38:18 ... you walk funny.

Joe Rogan 38:19 [laughs]

Speaker 38:20 You, you look diseased.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Ooh.

Speaker 38:21 It's just not, not stuff.

Joe Rogan 38:23 It's fucking easy. If you're a comic, it's easy. If you're used to doing standup in front of a live audience, that's a lot harder. And then, uh, the, the acting, they... Look, they give you... Especially if you're working with great people. You know, I was doing scenes with Dave Foley and Maura Tierney and all, all those. They were amazing. The cast was incredible. Kathy, Ka- uh, uh, excuse me, Vicki Lewis.

Speaker 38:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:46 Andy Dick, uh, Candy Alexander.

Speaker 38:49 But I will say this-

Joe Rogan 38:49 Stephen Root. They were incredible.

Speaker 38:51 I will say this to you, though. The fact that what you just said, it's easy, is why I think you should be doing it. I think you are a natural fucking actor, and I think you're, you, I, I l-

Joe Rogan 39:02 It's just pretend, dude. It doesn't ta-

Speaker 39:04 Yeah

Joe Rogan 39:04 ... it... Listen, it's not Daniel, I've never done Daniel Day Lewis acting. That's like the real acting. Val Kilmer acting-

Speaker 39:10 Right

Joe Rogan 39:10 ... in, in Tombstone. That's real acting.

Speaker 39:12 I think you could.

Joe Rogan 39:13 I don't wanna do it.

Speaker 39:14 [laughs] Well, that's-

Joe Rogan 39:15 Not interested

Speaker 39:15 ... that's why I said-

Joe Rogan 39:16 If I had another life, if I had another life, I love movies. I fucking love mo- You know what's a great show?

Speaker 39:21 What's that?

Joe Rogan 39:21 A great show? It's called Lucky, and it's on Apple. It's a b- what is that lady's name with the big eyes?

Speaker 39:28 Yeah, I watched the first episode. It is-

Joe Rogan 39:29 She's really beautiful but very unusual looking. What is her name again?

Speaker 39:32 I will-

Joe Rogan 39:33 Anna Taylor-Joy. Is that her name?

Speaker 39:35 Think so.

Joe Rogan 39:36 She was in The Queen's Gambit. She fucking-

Speaker 39:37 Yeah

Joe Rogan 39:38 ... killed it in The Queen's Gambit.

Speaker 39:40 Yeah. Anya.

Joe Rogan 39:40 Anya. Anya Taylor-Joy.

Speaker 39:42 The girl from the, the, from The Witch, right? The g-

Joe Rogan 39:43 Is she in that too?

Speaker 39:44 She's, I think that was her first movie was The Witch.

Joe Rogan 39:46 I didn't watch The Witch. No one in my family will watch it with me. I wanna watch it. I tr- I'm a Ri- giant Robert Eggers fan. I think he fucking murdered Nosferatu. I think it was the best vampire movie by far of all time.

Speaker 39:57 Nosferatu was dope. The Lighthouse was dope. The-

Joe Rogan 40:00 Have you seen the werewolf, the werewolf trailer that's coming out?

Speaker 40:03 [sighs] Okay. I-

Joe Rogan 40:04 Don't you "okay" me, you son of a bitch.

Speaker 40:05 I have, I have.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Don't you "okay" me, you son of a bitch.

Speaker 40:09 Here's what I will say.

Joe Rogan 40:10 What the fuck are you gonna say?

Speaker 40:12 I love Robert Eggers. I'm not knocking it. But it's the fourth movie he's released, where in the trailer I see black and white footage and a lot of people twitching.

Joe Rogan 40:21 [laughs]

Speaker 40:21 And I'm like, "Come on." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 40:22 That's what you need. That's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 40:25 I'm like, "All right." Uh, I just-

Joe Rogan 40:27 Come on, bro

Speaker 40:28 ... I wanna know if it's gonna be different.

Joe Rogan 40:29 This looks phenomenal.

Speaker 40:31 Yeah. It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 40:32 Phenomenal. Of course he's twitching. He's turning into a werewolf.

Speaker 40:35 There's-

Joe Rogan 40:35 The fuck is wrong with you, DeRosa?

Speaker 40:37 [laughs] There's no world where it'll be a bad movie. Uh-

Joe Rogan 40:40 No world. Doesn't exist. That guy knocks it out of the park, A+ every movie.

Speaker 40:44 The Witch-

Joe Rogan 40:45 The North- The Northman, have you seen that?

Speaker 40:48 I did.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Fuck. You didn't love that?

Speaker 40:51 I didn't love that.

Joe Rogan 40:51 Get out of this room.

Speaker 40:52 I didn't... No.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Go home.

Speaker 40:53 You, you stop.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Go home.

Speaker 40:54 You-

Joe Rogan 40:55 I'll tell everybody about your special after you leave.

Speaker 40:56 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 40:57 You son of a bitch. How could you not like The Northman?

Speaker 40:59 I wanted more battles.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Oh.

Speaker 41:01 I wanted more, like-

Joe Rogan 41:02 It was perfection.

Speaker 41:03 And-

Joe Rogan 41:04 A+

Speaker 41:04 ... you know what took me out of The North-

Joe Rogan 41:05 He might be my favorite director of all time.

Speaker 41:07 You know what took me out of The Northman?

Joe Rogan 41:08 What?

Speaker 41:09 Uh-

Joe Rogan 41:10 You being a pussy?

Speaker 41:11 No.

Joe Rogan 41:11 [laughs]

Speaker 41:12 Take it easy. Fucking... [laughs] No. I'll tell you what took me out of it. Nicole Kidman having full plastic surgery in 1650 or whatever.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Oh.

Speaker 41:20 It was taking me out of it. It was fucking me up.

Joe Rogan 41:23 Did she... Let me see what she looks like back then.

Speaker 41:24 Anya Taylor-Joy's in this movie too.

Joe Rogan 41:26 Is she?

Speaker 41:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:26 She's in The Northman? Of course she is. She rules. She rules.

Speaker 41:29 But I lo- I think Eggers does great work. Or Eggers, excuse me, does great work.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Oh, dude, he's the best. I think he's my favorite director of all time next to Tarantino. Tarantino's always gonna be number one.

Speaker 41:38 He's-

Joe Rogan 41:39 But this guy's... 'Cause I feel like there's, like, levels-

Speaker 41:42 Yeah

Joe Rogan 41:42 ... to movies, and I think Tarantino is l- he's the undeniable peak of the mountain, and then everything else is pretty dope.

Speaker 41:50 The, uh, who-

Joe Rogan 41:51 Scorsese's got some murder, he's got some killers.

Speaker 41:54 Scorsese's-

Joe Rogan 41:54 But a bunch of those guys have a few lemons.

Speaker 41:57 Well-

Joe Rogan 41:57 You know what I mean?

Speaker 41:58 ... you're gonna, you're gonna have some lemons when you, when... I mean, Scorsese's output is incredibly high.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Right.

Speaker 42:03 And it's like, of course you're gonna have a few duds.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Well, this is one of the reasons why Tarantino's the GOAT, is 'cause he figured out how to have no lemons.

Speaker 42:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Other than Death Proof, which Tony loves. We argue about it all the time. So where, I don't see plastic surgery Nicole Kidman in that.

Speaker 42:17 They showed her for a second, but she-

Joe Rogan 42:18 Yeah, she looked good

Speaker 42:19 ... I don't think she's in the trailer a lot That was nuts

Joe Rogan 42:22 ... let me see Nicole Kidman in, that was a long movie. That was a long time ago, this movie, right? What year was this?

Speaker 42:30 Uh-

Joe Rogan 42:31 It's probably-

Speaker 42:31 I think it's-

Joe Rogan 42:32 ... The Northman

Speaker 42:32 ... pre-COVID, I think.

Joe Rogan 42:33 I think so. I think it's, like, 2017 or '18.

Speaker 42:39 I-

Joe Rogan 42:39 Does it say, Jamie?

Speaker 42:41 I'm amazed with Robert Eggers that he gets wide release theatrical releases with the types of movies he does.

Joe Rogan 42:49 I think it's 'cause they sell.

Speaker 42:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:52 They fucking sell, dude. I mean, they're so good. They're so good. People love them, and they go to see them. I mean, that's, it's really that simple.

Speaker 42:59 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 42:59 What year was it, Jamie?

Speaker 43:00 Four years ago, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:01 Oh, really? That was only four years ago?

Speaker 43:03 2022.

Speaker 43:04 Oh, shit. It's post-COVID.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Oh.

Speaker 43:05 Okay.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Crazy.

Speaker 43:06 I thought it was-

Joe Rogan 43:06 Um, see if you can find a photo of Nicole Kidman from that.

Speaker 43:11 And I'm obviously not saying the movie's bad 'cause Nicole Kidman had plastic surgery, but it did, it does take me out of it when I see somebody doing a period piece with-

Joe Rogan 43:18 See, that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me. She looks totally normal.

Speaker 43:22 Maybe it's just 'cause I n- remember-

Joe Rogan 43:24 Maybe you just want her to have plastic surgery 'cause you're a hater.

Speaker 43:26 I'm not shitting on Nicole Kidman, by the way.

Joe Rogan 43:27 You seem to be a little bit of a hater. She looks perfect.

Speaker 43:30 She's got a... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 What are you saying?

Speaker 43:32 A little work.

Joe Rogan 43:33 She looks perfect.

Speaker 43:34 Come on. A little work, little work there.

Joe Rogan 43:35 I don't see work, dude. I see a beautiful face.

Speaker 43:38 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 43:38 You son of a bitch. Fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 43:40 Don't you go.

Joe Rogan 43:41 So down there when she's with Anya Taylor-Joy.

Speaker 43:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:44 Right there, that's her right there. So that, that looks a little fillery, unfortunately. That look I think has gone away though. I think ladies are realizing that nobody likes it.

Speaker 43:54 No, I-

Joe Rogan 43:54 The, the filler face.

Speaker 43:56 Did, did you see the trailer for this thing, The Neuromancer?

Joe Rogan 43:58 No.

Speaker 43:59 What's this?

Speaker 43:59 Uh, so-

Joe Rogan 44:00 What's this?

Speaker 44:01 ... nerds are super pumped. This is, like, the story where, like-

Joe Rogan 44:03 Oh, I've heard of this

Speaker 44:04 ... the Matrix-

Joe Rogan 44:04 Yes

Speaker 44:04 ... and shit came out of this. So I, uh, it's gonna be a TV show, actually. It's not even a movie.

Speaker 44:10 Wait. How do you mean the Matrix came out of it?

Joe Rogan 44:12 Who wrote the, who wrote the book?

Speaker 44:12 Like, the ideas of, like, the jacking in and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Yes.

Speaker 44:16 Okay.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Who wrote that book?

Speaker 44:17 Uh, off the top of my head, it's from 1984. William...

Joe Rogan 44:22 William Gibson.

Speaker 44:23 Gibson.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Yeah. This is supposed to be a movie that people were concerned was, like, impossible to tran- or a, a book rather, that people were concerned was impossible to translate into a film correctly.

Speaker 44:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 44:35 I don't know why 'cause I haven't read the book, but I, I read that argument. Like, there's no way you're ever gonna really nail this.

Speaker 44:40 Yeah, he just jacked in, and now he's, like, in some new space, which I, I don't, again, I haven't read it either. I don't, it's no spoiler alert or anything.

Joe Rogan 44:46 So-

Speaker 44:46 I don't know much about it, but-

Speaker 44:48 Mm

Speaker 44:48 ... people are very pumped that they'd attempted this, and it looks cool.

Joe Rogan 44:51 Hmm.

Speaker 44:51 But, but wait a second. D- so did The Matrix just take all of its ideas from this?

Speaker 44:56 No. Here, I'll, I'll find out what it, I mean when I said that. Uh-

Speaker 44:59 Okay

Speaker 44:59 ... Neuro-

Joe Rogan 45:00 Lucky. Wachowskis are so lucky. It's on Apple TV. It only has, uh, seven episodes, and it's only gonna be one season, I think.

Speaker 45:07 I just started watching The Shards, which I'm feeling.

Speaker 45:10 The, the term cyberspace came out of that book, and then, like, there you go, a consensual hallu- yeah, based on that.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of authorized operators.

Speaker 45:20 Well, the term The Matrix actually itself, I think, came out of there.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Ooh. Well, um, that's coming, right?

Speaker 45:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 45:28 That's coming. He's, he was ahead of his time. He figured it out.

Speaker 45:32 So now this is a weird thing, okay? And this is a thing you notice with, with these directors that break through and do an amazing first movie, and then it's kind of followed by a lot of ho-hum stuff.

Joe Rogan 45:45 You mean The Matrix?

Speaker 45:47 Yeah.

Speaker 45:47 Well, the Wachowskis, The Matrix was this cultural phenomenon. It changed everything and blah, blah, blah, blah. Their movies after that, except for maybe V for Vendetta, none of them really ever lived up to that. So now we're seeing this, and I'm like, "Well, did they just get all the great ideas for The Matrix from this other thing, and then they made a great movie, and then that's why they were never able to kinda hit that again?" Every Matrix sequel is terrible. It, it-

Joe Rogan 46:11 They're literally jacking in the same exact way, through the back of the head.

Speaker 46:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:16 It's the same thing.

Speaker 46:17 And they're saying the term The Matrix came out of the, this-

Joe Rogan 46:20 That's crazy

Speaker 46:20 ... I'm like, I thought they made that up. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 46:21 You know, they got sued too 'cause some lady wrote, um, I think it was a graphic novel. It might've been an, a, um, a short story or graphic novel. I forget what it was. But she wrote a, a, a story and brought it to them apparently.

Speaker 46:36 Well, she also said she wrote The Terminator for both, both-

Joe Rogan 46:39 So is she just a kook?

Speaker 46:41 That's a kook

Speaker 46:42 ... she had a manuscript titled The Third Eye from 1980s, and she... Yeah, I saw the story. I remember when-

Joe Rogan 46:50 Yeah.

Speaker 46:50 Let me, let me tell you why she's a kook. Harlan-

Joe Rogan 46:53 You know the story?

Speaker 46:54 Well, I, d- 'cause he mentioned The Terminator. Harlan Ellison wrote an episode of The Outer Limits called Demon, th- it was called Demon with the Glass Hand. Harlan Ellison sued James Cameron when The Terminator came out, and he goes, "That's my fucking story. I did it on The Outer Limits in the '60s." And Harlan Ellison got paid, and they were like, "Yeah, it's actually kinda the same thing."

Joe Rogan 47:16 Huh.

Speaker 47:16 So this lady did not write The Terminator in the '80s.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Well, it could be multiple influences.

Speaker 47:23 You know? But-

Joe Rogan 47:24 It could be multiple inspirations, right? It could be

Speaker 47:29 ... the, the worst one is, and I'm a fan of the guy-

Joe Rogan 47:31 'Cause if, let's, let's just, uh-

Speaker 47:32 No, go ahead

Joe Rogan 47:32 ... uh, let's not, we're not ac- accusing anyone of plagiarizing.

Speaker 47:35 No, no, no. No.

Joe Rogan 47:35 But we're saying if someone was gonna plagiarize, why wouldn't they plagiarize from multiple sources? You can't just say just because he stole a giant chunk of it from that one episode of a show, that doesn't mean that he didn't steal a bunch of other stuff. And I'm not saying anybody's stolen anything.

Speaker 47:50 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 47:51 I don't think James Cameron stole a goddamn thing.

Speaker 47:52 I don't think he stole anything. I think he saw it-

Joe Rogan 47:54 I think it, uh, he might not have even seen it. There's a lot of parallel thinking when it comes to this concept of AI and robots being like people and taking o- it's in Battlestar Galactica.

Speaker 48:04 Sure, sure.

Joe Rogan 48:05 You know? I mean, it's like there's a lot of that where people become robots. It's in the original Alien movie, 1979, remember?

Speaker 48:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:13 There's a fucking, an artificial intelligence that is their guy-

Speaker 48:16 Yeah

Joe Rogan 48:17 ... that they don't know is a robot until s- it k- it, it has a, I think they beat it to death. I think, how'd they find out that it's a robot?

Speaker 48:25 It's, um-

Joe Rogan 48:26 I think they k- they kill it. They kno- knock its head off, and that's how they find out it's a robot.

Speaker 48:31 Blanking on the ac- it's, it's re- um, oh, God.

Joe Rogan 48:34 The guy's a great actor.

Speaker 48:35 He's one of my favorites, and I'm blanking on his name. So, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:37 But this is '79-

Speaker 48:38 Right

Joe Rogan 48:39 ... that they did that.

Speaker 48:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Right? So that's The Terminator. Like, it, the- these concepts have been around for a long time, the concepts of artificial intelligence taking over.

Speaker 48:48 I think it was more the plot line of this, this robot comes back.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Oh, in time?

Speaker 48:53 It, it was something like that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Oh. Oh.

Speaker 48:55 And I don't, I don't think James Cameron stole it either, 'cause there's no other evidence of him ever swiping something. I, but I do think, like, we all do this thing where we see something, we don't remember. It, it goes into the subconscious, and maybe you go, "I got a great idea," and you're not realizing, oh, actually that's a thing I saw when I was 10.

Joe Rogan 49:11 He's pretty intensely creative. Like, a, a-

Speaker 49:13 [clears throat]

Joe Rogan 49:14 ... an original. I don't, I don't imagine that he would do that.

Speaker 49:18 I would, I would hope not. But-

Joe Rogan 49:19 I don't think so

Speaker 49:20 ... but Harlan Ellison did win the, the case.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Interesting.

Speaker 49:24 Um, but-

Joe Rogan 49:25 I wonder how much he got.

Speaker 49:27 Pay. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 49:29 How much did Harlan Ellison get for that, that lawsuit? Did they disclose it? Or did they pay him just to shut the fuck up?

Speaker 49:36 Well, Ellison is, I mean, he is everybody's... everybody that loves sci-fi, he's their favorite sci-fi guy.

Joe Rogan 49:43 Really?

Speaker 49:43 Like, he is the guy.

Joe Rogan 49:44 That's a bold statement.

Speaker 49:45 He's the guy. Ellison is the gu- you'd lo- you should read up on Harlan Ellison. You would love-

Joe Rogan 49:50 I probably should.

Speaker 49:52 You-

Joe Rogan 49:52 There's not enough time to consume all the things.

Speaker 49:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:55 There's so many things to consume.

Speaker 49:57 Yeah, out of fuckin' element.

Joe Rogan 49:57 [clears throat] Dispute ended in out-of-court settlement. There you go. Rather than a court ruling on what... So they just paid him to shut the fuck up. So they probably gave him a fat check.

Speaker 50:08 Yeah, there it is. Soldier and Demon with a Glass Hand.

Joe Rogan 50:11 Involved combatants from a future war arriving in the present, including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill. Ellison argued that The Terminator borrowed this core setup. Commentators often mention his Outer Limits episode, Demon with the Glass Hand, but Ellison himself reportedly, uh, said his principal claim concerned Soldier, not that episode.

Speaker 50:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:32 So it seemed like it wasn't... Maybe there was more than one thing.

Speaker 50:36 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:37 Either way.

Speaker 50:38 Um-

Joe Rogan 50:39 You could, you know, it's like every werewolf movie is a guy gets bit by a werewolf.

Speaker 50:46 Sure.

Joe Rogan 50:47 You know what I mean?

Speaker 50:47 Sure.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Like, you could say no one can make a werewolf movie anymore because of The Wolf Man.

Speaker 50:52 [clicks tongue]

Joe Rogan 50:52 'Cause you're, you're all stealing from The Wolf Man, from-

Speaker 50:54 Well, I think the difference is that's werewolf mythology-

Joe Rogan 50:59 Right. That's true

Speaker 50:59 ... overall.

Joe Rogan 50:59 That's true.

Speaker 51:00 Versus... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 51:02 That's true. Yeah, of course. Yeah, ev- I mean, that's... Yeah.

Speaker 51:05 But-

Joe Rogan 51:05 Bad, bad example

Speaker 51:06 ... the, uh-

Joe Rogan 51:06 'Cause it's not an original story

Speaker 51:08 ... but you would love Harlan Ellison, 'cause he was just-

Joe Rogan 51:11 I'm sure

Speaker 51:12 ... my favorite story of his is he, he talked about when he was in college, and he goes, "My, my literary professor said I had no talent, so I got expelled 'cause I punched him in the throat." [laughs] He's a maniac.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Oh.

Speaker 51:25 Maniac.

Joe Rogan 51:25 God, how many bad teachers have ruined a kid's future-

Speaker 51:29 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 51:29 ... by telling them they have no talent?

Speaker 51:31 Yeah. Right?

Joe Rogan 51:32 How many?

Speaker 51:32 It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 51:33 So many.

Speaker 51:34 It's-

Joe Rogan 51:34 There's so many stories like that, so many stories of some shitty teacher.

Speaker 51:38 It's nuts. Did you have, when you were getting into... Well, well f- how old were you when you said, "I'm gonna go do comedy. I'm not gonna do any of the shit that I studied in school. I'm gonna actually-"

Joe Rogan 51:48 Well, I barely studied in school.

Speaker 51:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:50 I only went to school because I didn't wanna be a loser.

Speaker 51:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:53 Literally. I went to UMass Boston, like, their continuing education program, so I didn't have to take my SATs, and I only went for three years.

Speaker 52:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:01 I was wasting my time, and the whole time I was doing it, I was fighting, and that was my primary concern. That was what I was thinking about, and I was teaching at Boston University.

Speaker 52:09 Oh, you mean like, like MMA fighting.

Joe Rogan 52:11 Kickboxing.

Speaker 52:11 Okay, okay. Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Kickboxing and-

Speaker 52:13 Okay

Joe Rogan 52:13 ... tae kwon do.

Speaker 52:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Um, and, uh, that was my concern. I really was... The, the, the... But you tell people, you know, "Oh, what do you do?" "Oh, I'm a tae kwon do fighter." [laughs] Fucking loser. You fucking loser. [laughs] I'm totally, I would not tell people what I did.

Speaker 52:31 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 52:32 "I'm going to school. I'm going to UMass Boston."

Speaker 52:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 52:34 That was literally, that's what I was doing.

Speaker 52:36 Oh my God. That's so fucking funny, dude.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Well, I was a four-time state tae kwon do champion. I'd fought all over the country.

Speaker 52:43 I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 52:43 Yeah.

Speaker 52:44 I knew you've had fighting in your background.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 52:46 I didn't know you were a champ and stuff.

Joe Rogan 52:47 Yeah, I was really good when I was young at tae kwon do. I was really good.

Speaker 52:50 What made you switch gears from that to go into comedy?

Joe Rogan 52:54 Well, first of all, there was no future in it.

Speaker 52:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:56 There was no future. I tried out for the Olympics in '88. I made it to the nationals. I won the states, and I went, made it to the nationals. I made it to the third fight in the nationals, and I lost. That was in Miami in '88, and then I realized, like, I wasn't as enthusiastic about it anymore. Oh, yeah. You got extra cigarettes?

Speaker 53:14 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Yes.

Speaker 53:15 Look at that. Here.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Yeah. Hey.

Speaker 53:17 I know you, I knew you might want some.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Leave them there for, for everybody.

Speaker 53:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Um, and then, um, I was also getting brain damage, and I was very aware of that. I would lie in bed at night after sparring, and my head would be ringing, just th- throbbing, just boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 53:35 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 53:35 And I was like, "I'm doing this for free. There's no money in this. I'm not making any money."

Speaker 53:40 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Yeah. Uh, I was sparring a lot, especially kickboxing sparring. I was getting hit a lot. It was a lot of, like, kickboxing wars, and it was just not worth it. It was just not... And I was realizing, like, I gotta get out before I become that guy at the gym, because there were some guys that I had met, and then I'd watch them deteriorate a little during the time that I knew them and I was training with them. I watched their personalities change. I watched them g- get, like, slower.

Speaker 54:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Like, I could see their movement was compromised.

Speaker 54:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:12 'Cause they had got brain damage. They'd been knocked out a few times, and I, I was realizing like, oh, this is a real problem, and no one seems to be thinking about it. Everyone's, like, pretending it doesn't exist, 'cause they just wanna be a tough guy, and they just wanna fight and win and- It becomes the thing you do, and the thing you do is the, the only thing you know. And if that thing is bowling, then you bowl every night. You know, if that thing is golf, then you golf every day.

Speaker 54:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:36 If that thing is fighting, you're fighting all the time.

Speaker 54:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 And it was, uh... By the time I was... And I was also realizing there's no future in this. I'm not gonna ever have any money. I'm always gonna be poor. I'm always gonna be, like, wondering where my next paycheck's coming from. This is, there's no money in this. And there was no UFC back then. And, um, I got talked into doing standup by my friends. That's literally how it started. This episode is brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee, the only coffee we drink here at the JRE Studios. America's 250th birthday celebration may be over for some brands, but not for Black Rifle Coffee. They've celebrated America since their founding in 2014, and continue supporting the communities that make America strong. Last year, they eliminated $34 million in veterans' medical debt. That's real relief to families who served our nation, and this year they're doing it again, aiming to eliminate even more. Beyond financial support, Black Rifle lives its mission. Every month, they send their employees to support initiatives by the Boot Campaign, Folds of Honor, and others, giving back to veterans, first responders, and their families. Every bag, box, or can directly supports that mission. You can grab killer roasts like Just Black, that's my favorite, Spirit of '76, or the extra caffeinated Wakin' the Neighbors at Walmart, your local Black Rifle Coffee shop, or if you're in Texas, at H-E-B. Veteran-founded, American-roasted, Black Rifle Coffee is America's coffee.

Speaker 55:59 And then that was it.

Joe Rogan 56:00 Um-

Speaker 56:00 I mean, you moved fairly fast, right, through standup?

Joe Rogan 56:03 Well, um, see, I did Half-Hour Comedy Hour, MTV Half-Hour Comedy Hour. I was, like, oh, five years in, five years into standup. And, um, then I got on the television show Hardball, the show I did with Jim Breuer.

Speaker 56:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Did that, flew out here, or flew out to California rather, and that got canceled after six episodes, and then I got News Radio right away. So I only auditioned for two shows ever.

Speaker 56:32 Wow.

Joe Rogan 56:32 Hardball and News Radio, and I got both of them. It was the luckiest streak of all time. No acting cl- I took a couple of acting classes that I had to take when Disney gave me the money, the first development deal. They said, "Do, do you know how to act?" I'm like, "I don't know." [laughs]

Speaker 56:46 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 56:47 "No, fu- why are you guys giving me money?" It made no sense.

Speaker 56:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 They just wanted to put me on a sitcom, and, uh, you know, this was in the '90s when sitcoms was like Roseanne and Seinfeld.

Speaker 56:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:57 It was a gold mine.

Speaker 56:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:58 If you could find a personality that you thought was someone who would click on a sitcom that people would wanna watch, you know, every Tuesday night or whatever it was, they were, they were willing to pay you a lot of money. And then all of a sudden I was out in LA. But it was never a desire of mine. So because it wasn't a desire of mine, I didn't get nervous.

Speaker 57:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:17 Like, I didn't get nervous during auditions. I wa- it was not an, it was not a thing where I'm like, "This could change my life. This could be it."

Speaker 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:24 It was like, "What am I doing here?"

Speaker 57:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:26 "What is this? What am I doing here?"

Speaker 57:28 It's, I'm, it, it's, you're, you're good at it. That's what you're fucking doing there, man. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:33 It's not, it's not hard, dude. It's, again, it's not real acting. It's not, you know, Marlon Brando. It's, it's f- just, you're just pretending that this thing is happening in the, the, The Newsroom. It's not hard. [laughs] It's fucking-

Speaker 57:46 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:46 It's fucking easy. I mean, the mi- meantime I'm doing jujitsu. I'm, I was still sparring back then, so I'd go to the Jet Center and kickbox and spar. And so I'd go to work, I'd be like, "This is so easy."

Speaker 57:59 Right. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 58:00 "This is so easy." Becom- compared to standup and kickboxing and, and everything else.

Speaker 58:04 Did you notice, when you said you were, you were noticing damage happening 'cause the, your head throbbing and ringing, whatever-

Joe Rogan 58:10 Mm-hmm

Speaker 58:11 ... did you notice any other effects, or did you cut it off before any effects could actually... You know, like lo- like, actual things that were affecting you?

Joe Rogan 58:18 No, I didn't notice anything like I was compromised or I couldn't think well or I was forgetting things. It wasn't like that. I, I think I cut it off before it got that bad, but I definitely got some brain damage, 100%. And I think it, it plays a part of my, uh, impulsiveness and my... I'd, I, you know, I like scary things. I, I like, I like things that are, make me nervous.

Speaker 58:41 Mm.

Joe Rogan 58:41 I like things that are really hard to do, and I think that might be part of that.

Speaker 58:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:45 Is that I got rattled a bunch of times in my formative years.

Speaker 58:49 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 58:50 [laughs] Because from 15 to 21, I've, who knows how many times I got hit in the head.

Speaker 58:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 It was a lot.

Speaker 58:57 You're, you're, we're, we're very different in that way. You're, you're, you're a guy that I think li- very much likes a, a chal- the conquering the challenge, you know? Uh, you know, and-

Joe Rogan 59:07 Well, it keeps me sane. That's what keeps me sane. I think you make your, the voluntary things that you engage in that are way more difficult than the rest of your life, it makes the rest of your life easier.

Speaker 59:18 Mm.

Joe Rogan 59:19 Because these hard things that you do voluntarily-

Speaker 59:21 Mm

Joe Rogan 59:21 ... voluntary adversity, you force yourself to do hard things all the time. So then when other things that's, are seemingly hard come up, you're like, "Ah, this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge." [laughs]

Speaker 59:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 59:35 "This ain't shit." I just did an, a workout, a hypoxia workout, and, uh, so it's at, I have a box in my studio that goes to, it takes all the air out, so it puts you at the equivalent of 15,000 feet, uh, above sea level. And w- you do this interval training. So you do sprints on the AirDyne machine. You get off of that, and you do these kettlebell cleans and presses or swings, and you get off of that, and then you do the sled, and you push the sled, or you do backwards on the sled, and it's got varying resistance.

Speaker 1:00:06 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 And you do 'em in these 50-second, 40-second, and then 30-second sprints. So, like, everything else is easy. [laughs]

Speaker 1:00:15 Goddamn, dude. I'm just, I, I can't. [laughs] I, I admire it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 You do-

Speaker 1:00:20 I admire the shit out of it, but-

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Well, it's just, for me, I think everybody should do something hard. It keeps, it keeps me sane. For me, I need it. I don't know, you know, I'm not other people. I don't, I don't Pretend to know how they feel. But I know how I feel.

Speaker 1:00:36 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 If I don't exercise regularly, I have more anxiety, I don't feel comfortable, I don't feel good, I'm more irritable. I don't like it. I don't like that feeling. When I am, like, when I work out really hard and I do the things that I'm supposed to do, I feel great. I feel friendly, I'm feel happy, I feel light, I feel like life is easy.

Speaker 1:00:57 Yeah. It- it's, it's a thing... I'm not, I'm not blowing smoke. It's a thing I've noticed about you. You're, you're a very, I would even say happy-go-lucky kind of guy. Like, you're, you're very friendly, you're always in a very good mood. I've ve- I've very rarely seen you, and I see you frequently now at the club, very rarely seen you come in where you're like, "Eh, fuck." Like, I, I don't think ever, to be honest with you. And it's, I guess, everything you're saying. Like, it puts you in a-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 That's a choice

Speaker 1:01:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 It's a choice to feel like that. That, that, that don't do you any good.

Speaker 1:01:28 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Unless you're trying to do something with that, "Fuck this." Unless, unless you've got some shit you have to get done that's hard and you wanna have this attitude where you're gonna attack it, like, "Fuck this."

Speaker 1:01:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Like, regular life, like, why, why, why, why am I upset? Why?

Speaker 1:01:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Why?

Speaker 1:01:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 You're not in Gaza.

Speaker 1:01:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 What are you doing?

Speaker 1:01:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 You're not, you're not in Ukraine-

Speaker 1:01:45 Right

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 ... hiding in a fucking bunker.

Speaker 1:01:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1:01:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 What are you bitching about?

Speaker 1:01:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 You, you're living an easy life in America, and you're rich.

Speaker 1:01:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:53 Like, what... How dare I be upset?

Speaker 1:01:56 Sure. Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 How dare I?

Speaker 1:01:58 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 Imagine.

Speaker 1:01:59 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 With the, the, the fortune, the luck that I've had in this life. H- me being pissed off at things. [laughs] That's why it doesn't bother me when people talk shit about me either. I'm like, "Okay." Like, talk that shit.

Speaker 1:02:12 You could-

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Have fun

Speaker 1:02:13 ... you could teach... Remember when YouTube was doing those master classes where, like, a guy would sit down and, like, Steve Martin would be like, "I'm gonna teach you how to do, write comedy," or whatever, and David Mamet did one on writing or whatever. You could do a master class on YouTube in how to let the shit roll off your back, because I am astounded at how much it does not bother you when people w- are releasing clips and talking this and bull-

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 [laughs]

Speaker 1:02:39 And it's all bullshit, whatever. [laughs] And you're just like, "Yeah, whatever, man." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Have fun. Knock yourself out.

Speaker 1:02:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 It doesn't... You, you can't stop people from having an opinion. There's always gonna be people that have an opinion. And then in this market of hot takes, there's always gonna be people, and their opinion is... Negative opinions are more valuable-

Speaker 1:03:00 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 ... in terms of the commodity of attention.

Speaker 1:03:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Attacking someone, being... You know, calling someone out. It's more valuable in this commodity.

Speaker 1:03:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 And then there's people that have legitimate differing opinions of me, and they, you know, they don't like this, and they don't like that. They don't like I said this, or they don't like this person that I had on. What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1:03:19 Address all of it? What-

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Even think about it. I police myself as much as I can. L- believe me, if I fuck something up, I, I'm mad at me more than anybody's mad at me.

Speaker 1:03:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 So that way, I get it out on my own. I don't need a lot of external validation.

Speaker 1:03:35 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 I don't need any.

Speaker 1:03:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in doing the best that I can, and I hope people like it, and that's it. [laughs]

Speaker 1:03:42 I wi-... [laughs] The little shit gets me, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 I know it does.

Speaker 1:03:45 I fucking get, I get, like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 You n- you need an outlet, Joe DeRosa. You need a physical outlet to, to calm your mind.

Speaker 1:03:52 Yes. I-

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 That's what you need

Speaker 1:03:53 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 You need to get a trainer. Just hire a trainer. We talked about this.

Speaker 1:03:56 We have been talking about it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Get a trainer.

Speaker 1:03:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Get, get... 'Cause you're not gonna do it on your own. Get someone who, you show up three times a week, and they put you through the paces, and a smart trainer will do it nice and slow. So the first few workouts, it won't even be that hard. You leave there, you'll feel, like, energized. You won't feel exhausted. You'll feel like, "Ah, all right. I did a little something."

Speaker 1:04:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Feel good. And then, and then he's like, "Okay, we're... This is a process. You know, we're gonna, we're gonna keep ramping this up slowly but surely." But you're never gonna be like, "Oh my God, I can't fucking move. I went to my fucking trainer. He's killing me. My back is killing. I can't get off the couch." No, no, no, no, no, no, no. A good trainer's gonna, like, look at you, ask you how, "What have you been doing? When was the last time you worked out? How often do you do... Okay, let's start here." And they'll start you off with some simple body weight stuff. They'll put you through some different mobility exercises, different stuff to just get the, get the joints lubed up.

Speaker 1:04:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Get everything moving, and then build your body up nice and slow.

Speaker 1:04:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Nice and slow.

Speaker 1:04:54 Yeah. Uh, my, my boy Chuck, uh, you know Chuck, Mexican OT's dad, Chuck.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 Yes.

Speaker 1:04:59 Uh, he... Chuck, uh, right when you and I talked about you... When you were like, "You should get a trainer," Chuck said to me, unprompted, he goes, "Joe, let me train with you."

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Dude-

Speaker 1:05:10 And he-

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 ... take him up on it.

Speaker 1:05:11 Yeah, and he goes, he goes, "I'll come to your apartment."

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Wow.

Speaker 1:05:14 "Let's just go. I'll come to your apartment."

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Take him... Dude, that guy's jacked.

Speaker 1:05:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Take him up on it. He knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1:05:18 And he said everything you just said. He goes, "We're gonna go slow. It's not gonna be this overwhelming thing." 'Cause I get overwhelmed easily-

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Yeah

Speaker 1:05:24 ... obviously. Uh, and I was like, "Chuck, it's gonna be too much, and I'm gonna start to..." And he goes, "We're not gonna do that. We're gonna take it really slow. Let me just come to your place," whatever. And so I think I'm gonna start doing it with him, 'cause I just need to-

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Yeah, if you go to the wrong trainer, there's some trainers out there that are meatheads, or they don't really know what they're doing, and they'll beat you down. And they're like, "We're gonna fucking push it today." Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1:05:47 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 You can't push it when someone doesn't work out.

Speaker 1:05:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 When someone doesn't work out, you go nice and slow, nice and easy, and then you slowly build up to the point where you can push it, right? You don't take a fucking Prius and you drive it around the racetrack sideways.

Speaker 1:06:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 It's not designed for that.

Speaker 1:06:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 The, the suspension's gonna fall off. The wheels are gonna... There's no traction. You got no tires.

Speaker 1:06:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 You're gonna have to build up everything.

Speaker 1:06:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 And then once it gets built up, then you can push it. So once you get in sh- look at Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll lost literally almost 300 pounds.

Speaker 1:06:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 Which is crazy.

Speaker 1:06:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Now he's running on the treadmill. He did six miles when we came in to do a podcast. We were all working out together.

Speaker 1:06:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 And he's fucking running on the treadmill while we're talking.

Speaker 1:06:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 We're talking. He's saying... Like, he can breathe, he can talk.

Speaker 1:06:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 And he's running at a good clip. Got in the sauna with me, did the whole thing. When I first met him, he was 500 pounds. Couldn't-

Speaker 1:06:42 Oh, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 ... could barely make it up the stairs to the comedy club. He couldn't, couldn't walk up the stairs.

Speaker 1:06:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 Now He's fit. Now he's healthy. He runs all the time.

Speaker 1:06:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 So it's just a process of building to get to that place. Like, he did that show, uh, McConaughey has this benefit every year.

Speaker 1:07:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 And we went to the benefit, and, um, he performed at the benefit. And he's on stage, and we were backstage watching it, and so we're, we're, like, in the... Me and Tony and his girl and my wife, we're in the corner watching this. Jelly gets offstage, and there's a railing, like a ramp to get off. He grabs the railing and hops over it and lands on the other side. I go, "Dude, do you know what you just did?"

Speaker 1:07:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 I go, "You used to be 500 pounds-"

Speaker 1:07:26 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 "... and now you just jumped over that railing like a cat."

Speaker 1:07:29 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 It was amazing.

Speaker 1:07:30 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 He was so happy. He's like, "Isn't this crazy?"

Speaker 1:07:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 I'm like, "It's crazy. Look what you've done."

Speaker 1:07:37 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 And that's what you have to do. You have to... And it took him years, and that's how you have to do it. You have... It has to be slowly but sure. But along the way, you'll feel better every step of the way. It's not about, it's not about breaking your body down, it's about slowly introducing movement and some physical exercise, and then building upon that. 10 pushups in a day. Then the next day, you try 12, and then a week later you're doing 15.

Speaker 1:08:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 And then two weeks after that, maybe you can do 20 in a row, or three weeks, a month, two months, whatever it is. You b- everybody's got their own timing. Body weight squats, very simple. Start with 10. No big deal. Get to 90 degrees, pack up. Just, just enough. Just to get the blood moving. Walking is fucking great. You know what's really great? Walking with a weighted vest. Not that hard to do. Put a 20-pound vest on, 25-pound vest on, walk around the block.

Speaker 1:08:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 It's fucking great for you.

Speaker 1:08:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 There's a lot of different things that you could do that don't crush you, and then you're just gonna feel a little better. You'll have a little bit of more, you know, vitality, more blood flow, and then you build upon that. That's the key.

Speaker 1:08:44 I was building slow. I was doing three days a week, and it was getting better and better and better. And then en- end of the summer hit, August hit, I started going on the road again, and all of a sudden it starts to taper off. 'Cause you're like, "Now I gotta fly on this day when I'm s- usually doing my thing, and..."

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 Yeah.

Speaker 1:09:02 And I got lazy, and I gotta get back into it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:05 Yeah.

Speaker 1:09:05 I gotta get back into it. But the good thing is this, with what you're saying with the slow build, when I start again, I'm able to start where I stopped. I'm able to start there again. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 Right, rather than where you began.

Speaker 1:09:16 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 That's great.

Speaker 1:09:18 Yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 That's... Listen, man, it's all about momentum. Discipline is very important, but really, momentum makes discipline a lot easier. You know? It's like, you say, "Oh, you've got really good discipline." Like, eh, sorta. I g- I get started, and once you get started, it's more about momentum than it is about discipline.

Speaker 1:09:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 And then it's also about writing things down. If you just write it down, you have to do it.

Speaker 1:09:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 You write it down and make a check.

Speaker 1:09:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 That way, instead of, like, keeping this thing in my head, "Oh, I'm just gonna figure out my own workout. I'll do this, I'll do that." No. I have a whiteboard. I write down on the whiteboard, "This is what we're doing," and then you just do it.

Speaker 1:09:55 Yeah. I had a list in my phone. "These are your exercise, 20 reps of each of these."

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 Perfect. Perfect.

Speaker 1:09:59 And I just kept adding-

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 Yeah

Speaker 1:10:01 ... a- exercises to it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:02 I don't know a good app, but I'm sure there's some out there that'll, like, a really good workout app that'll vary your workout every day based upon your level, based upon, like, you know, how much experience you have.

Speaker 1:10:12 I tr- I... It's, there ca- The apps get confusing. I tried a couple of them, a- a- and...

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 There's gotta be a good one out there. I just don't know what they are.

Speaker 1:10:20 Yeah. It's a lot of questions that I'm like, "I don't fucking know, man." Like, I'm just-

Joe Rogan 1:10:23 Well, that's 'cause they're trying to make it good.

Speaker 1:10:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:25 They're gonna, trying to make a, an app that, you know, gives you what you need.

Speaker 1:10:30 But yeah, exercise apps, again, there's, there's good ones I'm sure, but exercise apps kind of became like dating apps, where there's a million that are all saying-

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 Mm-hmm

Speaker 1:10:39 ... "We're gonna change your life in three days." And you're like, "No they're not." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 I think most important is j- a, a real good trainer is more important. 'Cause he can correct your form in real time, tell you why, "Don't do it like that, you're gonna hurt your back. Don't do it like this, you're putting too much pressure on this and that, and you're not balanced." Whatever it is.

Speaker 1:10:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 He can get you to do it correctly, which is more important than anything.

Speaker 1:10:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 When, especially once you start actually lifting weights, you know? Pavel Tsatsouline, who's the, um, he's the guy who really brought kettle bells to popularity in America, this Russian cat, and, uh, great system of training. And, but one of the things that he said that really stuck with me, he said, "Strength is a skill."

Speaker 1:11:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 And just think of strength as a skill.

Speaker 1:11:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:11:20 So, like, when you're working on your skills, like, a like, kettle bell cleans and presses, you shouldn't be exhausted. You should do l- he does, instead of doing it to failure, you know, like a lot of people like to work to fail. Like, imagine you can clean and press 50 pounds 10 times until you're, like, really exhausted, and on the 10th time you're really kind of cooked. Don't do 10, you do five.

Speaker 1:11:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:41 Just do five, and then wait a long time. Wait, like, five minutes. Rest up completely, and then do another five.

Speaker 1:11:47 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:48 Do, do it that way.

Speaker 1:11:48 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 'Cause that way you're always fresh, and you're, you're working on skill. You're still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you're not torturing your tissue. You're not taxing your system.

Speaker 1:11:58 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 You're learning, and you're not a- taking any shortcuts. You're not moving weird, you know, you know, like leaning into something in a weird way, or you're gonna hurt yourself 'cause you're all out of line. You're doing everything with correct form 'cause you're not exhausted.

Speaker 1:12:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:10 But you're still getting the same amount of work in.

Speaker 1:12:12 The rest time is interesting, 'cause I, I always thought, well, it, like... I w- I was doing two different types of pushups. I was doing the fucking 45 finger spread, down, hold, up, whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:12:25 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1:12:26 And I could get through 20 of those. At f- initially I couldn't, and then when I was able to get through 20, I was like, "Holy shit." And then I was doing a different pushup with the arms back like this, and those, when I got to that, I'd, I'd, I'd hit 10, and I'd be like, "Fuck." And then I'd sit for a minute, and then I'd... A minute would go by and I'd be like, "You gotta do the other 10." 'Cause if you don't, if you wait too long... I always thought waiting too long was a bad thing. But you're saying no, actually rest five minutes. Take, take a breath.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it as long as you have the time to do the same amount of reps. You just wanna get a, enough work in so that your body forces adaptation. It doesn't have to be all to failure. Now again- It depends on what we're trying to do, right? If you're trying to build up muscular endurance, then yeah, you go to failure. It depends on what you're trying to do. If you're just trying to get stronger, that's a different thing.

Joe DeRosa 1:13:17 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 And then, you know, obviously I do different kinds of workouts. Like, the workout I did today is, it's all exhaustion stuff. It's all sprinting. It's not like the kettlebell stuff. This is all high altitude, and it's all, like, maximum intensity on the AirDyne bike, maximum intensity on the sled, maximum intensity on the kettlebell cleans. You're beating yourself up, 'cause you're only doing it for 50 seconds, and then y- or 60 seconds, 40 seconds, and, and then 30 seconds. So it's like, I do a bunch of different kinds of exercises. But when I do, like, strength stuff, I've, I don't ever do it to failure.

Joe DeRosa 1:13:51 Can you do... Is there a thing... Like, like some people go, the 100 pushups a day, whatever, that's their thing. I always wondered, well, is it the same if you do 100 pushups just throughout the day as normal-

Joe Rogan 1:14:04 100%. 100%

Joe DeRosa 1:14:04 ... you get 100 in.

Joe Rogan 1:14:05 100%.

Joe DeRosa 1:14:05 Doesn't matter if you start at 9:00-

Joe Rogan 1:14:07 Exactly

Joe DeRosa 1:14:07 ... and finish at 3:00?

Joe Rogan 1:14:08 Farmers don't lift hay to failure, right?

Joe DeRosa 1:14:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:11 They pick up a bale of hay, they chuck it onto the pile, they go back to get another one. They pick up a bale of hay, they chuck it on the pile, they go back to get another one. They push a wheelbarrow. They fucking hammer a post down. They do a bunch of different things. They do it all throughout the day, but they're never doing anything where they're just, very rarely at least, where they're lying flat on their back breathing, like they, they think they're gonna have a fucking heart attack.

Joe DeRosa 1:14:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:33 They never have that.

Joe DeRosa 1:14:33 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:14:34 They never get to the point where they're dropping the bale of hay 'cause their arms are shaking. And they're like, "One more rep. Ugh."

Joe DeRosa 1:14:39 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:14:40 But yet they get ridiculously fucking strong, right?

Joe DeRosa 1:14:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 Why? Because of all the work. It doesn't have to be work to failure.

Joe DeRosa 1:14:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:48 In, in our mind, we think, oh, you have to go to failure in order to get stronger.

Joe DeRosa 1:14:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 And again, we're talking about very specific things. Getting stronger, using kettlebells especially, but you could do dumbbells and other things as well. If you're, now, if you're doing something else, like if you're trying to get maximum amount of, uh, bench press, if you're trying to like win a competition, or maximum amount of chin-ups you can do, then it's a different thing.

Joe DeRosa 1:15:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:15 We're talking about a different thing. But if you're just talking about overall building strength for your body, the most important thing is volume, I think.

Joe DeRosa 1:15:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:15:23 And, and it's, if you can do... Like I said, I think this principle that Pavel Tsatsouline has is a really good one, that instead of doing 10, if you do 10 to failure, do five, wait a while, do five again. And I think it lessens the opportunity to get injured. You're, you're much less likely to get injured doing it that way. And I'm very rarely injured from working out.

Joe DeRosa 1:15:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:46 Very ra- from just kettlebell stuff, like very rarely.

Joe DeRosa 1:15:49 Right. All right. All right. You're inspiring me to, to hop back in and, and, and start doing it again. I gotta, I've really, oof.

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 You just gotta get somebody to, to help you. You know, get Mexican OT's dad.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:02 Get him to help you.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:03 He knows what he's doing.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:04 Yeah, yeah. No, that dude's fucking jacked.

Joe Rogan 1:16:07 Yeah, that's, that's a perfect guy.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:08 And he's, the way, what he said is the right, like, he knows what he's doing. That's why he's the, the guy to g- get you do it nice and slow, and just build you up. And also, he's fun. He's cool to hang out with.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:19 That, you like that, too. You don't wanna be an annoying trainer that's always asking you to post about him on Instagram.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:24 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:16:24 Like, fuck off. You know what I mean?

Joe DeRosa 1:16:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:27 "Hey, do you post? I got an energy drink I'm trying to promote."

Joe DeRosa 1:16:30 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You get those DMs from guys.

Joe Rogan 1:16:33 Exhausting.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:37 Yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:37 All right. I'm back.

Joe Rogan 1:16:38 There you go. You're back.

Joe DeRosa 1:16:39 I'm back in, baby.

Joe Rogan 1:16:40 Bro, I re- I read the craziest thing today, and I need to find out if it's true. I sent you the thing that, where Nick Fuentes was talking about Jamie. So apparently there was this plot where Iran was trying to kill Trump. Remember when, uh, he was supposed to get in the Air Force One that Qatar gave him?

Joe DeRosa 1:16:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:16:58 And then instead he flew in the old Air Force One?

Joe DeRosa 1:17:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:17:02 Well, they're saying that he actually didn't even f- go in the old Air Force One, that they snuck him out on a truck.

Joe DeRosa 1:17:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:17:10 Like, some fucking cargo truck.

Joe DeRosa 1:17:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:17:14 And then put him in another kind of plane and flew him out of there, and then they put the press in Air Force One because they were think- they were apparently worried they were gonna target Air Force One as well. So imagine, Trump with the press on Air Force One, [laughs] and they were thinking about possibly targeting them.

Joe DeRosa 1:17:33 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 1:17:34 He hid in an airport catering container and was taken to a military jet for a secret flight out of the country after the NATO Summit last month, and this is being reported by The New York Times. The thing is, though, I think they put the press on Air Force One. So if they flew him out, it was 'cause they were worried they were gonna try to take down Air Force One, and they, they took the press. They put the-

Joe DeRosa 1:17:55 Oh, if you take the press off-

Joe Rogan 1:17:56 Hop on

Joe DeRosa 1:17:57 ... then, then they know that, we know.

Joe Rogan 1:17:58 That's right. [laughs]

Joe DeRosa 1:17:59 Gotta let them-

Joe Rogan 1:17:59 I under-

Joe DeRosa 1:18:00 You gotta let them know that we know

Joe Rogan 1:18:00 You're right, Jamie

Joe DeRosa 1:18:01 ... we're not playing games.

Joe Rogan 1:18:02 Exactly.

Joe DeRosa 1:18:02 It's just everything's normal.

Joe Rogan 1:18:03 Exactly.

Joe DeRosa 1:18:04 Some soft air.

Joe Rogan 1:18:05 And if the press dies, so sad.

Joe DeRosa 1:18:07 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:18:07 But you just get more press.

Joe DeRosa 1:18:09 That's fucking wild.

Joe Rogan 1:18:11 If that's true, that is so wild that he didn't even tell them, "Hey, guys, uh, we're not really gonna get on this plane. No one's getting on this plane. You guys get out of here. Go take American Ex- Airlines home." No. He's like, "Hop on. It's safe."

Joe DeRosa 1:18:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:24 "It's Air Force One."

Joe DeRosa 1:18:25 "Guys, my gift to you, take Air Force One."

Joe Rogan 1:18:27 [laughs]

Joe DeRosa 1:18:28 "Enjoy it. There's food, uh, there's sandwiches on there. Enjoy yourself."

Joe Rogan 1:18:32 Is that absolutely what happened?

Speaker 1:18:34 Uh, it says, "Reporters on the older plane were not told that Mr. Trump had not flown with them from Turkey to an air base in Britain, making them unwitting participants in the ruse and leaving them, along with some White House staff members, to serve as unknowing decoys."

Joe DeRosa 1:18:50 Holy shit.

Speaker 1:18:50 "After they arrived in Britain, he was secretly moved back to the older version of Air Force One."

Joe DeRosa 1:18:54 Bro.

Joe Rogan 1:18:55 Jesus Christ.

Joe DeRosa 1:18:56 Those press people were signing up for something they didn't know.

Joe Rogan 1:19:00 [laughs]

Joe DeRosa 1:19:00 They didn't know what they were signing up for.

Joe Rogan 1:19:03 [laughs]

Joe DeRosa 1:19:04 And they didn't tell them at all. That when you wanna know, like, who's more important, you or the president, that's when you find out.

Joe Rogan 1:19:10 Oh, yeah.

Joe DeRosa 1:19:11 Where they just throw you on Air Force One. "Well, okay. Shrimp cocktail."

Speaker 1:19:16 It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:19:16 Boom. All of a sudden you turn into fucking protons [laughs]

Speaker 1:19:20 It's like fucking Goodfellas, when he's telling Karen to go-

Joe Rogan 1:19:23 Yeah

Speaker 1:19:23 ... "Go, no, go down and get the dresses."

Joe Rogan 1:19:25 Yeah, no, no, go. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 1:19:25 There's dresses. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:19:27 No, I'm okay. [laughs] Karen, why?

Speaker 1:19:33 Holy shit. That is fucking wild.

Joe Rogan 1:19:36 Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1:19:37 That is fucking wild. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:38 That's crazy.

Speaker 1:19:39 Yeah. Are they, are they ... Is there, has there been backlash? Are they, are they ... Have they ... Are ... Jamie, are they saying anything?

Joe Rogan 1:19:46 Who? Who's saying anything?

Speaker 1:19:47 The press. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:19:48 Oh.

Speaker 1:19:49 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:19:49 I would imagine they're a little perturbed.

Speaker 1:19:51 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:19:53 That that would perturb me.

Speaker 1:19:54 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:19:55 Jesus Christ. That's so crazy.

Speaker 1:19:59 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 1:19:59 Imagine if it blew up. It's like, "I should've been there. I wanted to be there with them when they died."

Speaker 1:20:05 [laughs] They're heroes.

Joe Rogan 1:20:08 [laughs] He would probably talk shit about them.

Speaker 1:20:09 Oh my God. That is fucking nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:20:11 Maybe if they had written nicer things about me, I would've told them.

Speaker 1:20:14 Oh my God. Did you ... I, I just watched, um, I just watched, uh, Michael, the Michael Jackson movie.

Joe Rogan 1:20:21 How was it?

Speaker 1:20:23 It ... Look, it's the first part of his life up till Bad. They don't get into any of the crazy shit. They're saying they're making a sequel that they might get into the, some of the crazy shit, but it was, uh, it was fun. I'm a big Michael Jackson fan. It was fun to watch. But I, I started reading up on Michael Jackson afterwards, 'cause I was like, it just ... It was very nostalgic to watch. Do you know this? When he died, he was pronounced dead at Neverland Ranch, and they lied to the press and said that he was at a hospital already and pronounced dead, because they had to get the body out of Neverland Ranch.

Joe Rogan 1:20:56 Why?

Speaker 1:20:56 And they knew if he pr- they pronounced him dead at Neverland Ranch, they wouldn't be able to get the fucking body out of the goddamn house.

Joe Rogan 1:21:03 Why?

Speaker 1:21:03 Because they said the press would leak it, and the clamoring of fans and whatever else would literally have blocked them from getting the fuck-

Joe Rogan 1:21:11 Oh my God

Speaker 1:21:12 ... from transporting the body. So they had to lie and say, "He's dead already, but he's at this hospital."

Joe Rogan 1:21:18 Oh my God.

Speaker 1:21:18 And it was a decoy, because that's how fucking famous he was. They were like, "We can't drive his dead body from this location-

Joe Rogan 1:21:25 Oh

Speaker 1:21:25 ... to another, or we're never gonna get it there."

Joe Rogan 1:21:27 People would steal the body.

Speaker 1:21:28 Something.

Joe Rogan 1:21:28 I wanna get a finger.

Speaker 1:21:30 Yeah. [laughs] Something.

Joe Rogan 1:21:30 I wanna get a finger.

Speaker 1:21:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:32 People would have garden clippers.

Speaker 1:21:33 Something.

Joe Rogan 1:21:33 Try to steal.

Speaker 1:21:34 And here's another crazy thing, 'cause I, I know you've talked about the Michael Jackson, like, the conspiracies around his des- death on the show before. There's another crazy thing I didn't know. He owned ... You know, he had that vast music catalog that he bought-

Joe Rogan 1:21:49 Right

Speaker 1:21:50 ... of mu- music publishing.

Joe Rogan 1:21:51 Right. He owned The Beatles.

Speaker 1:21:52 Beatles. Eminem. He bought Eminem-

Joe Rogan 1:21:55 He bought Eminem?

Speaker 1:21:56 Eminem made fun of him in a video, and he bought Eminem's fucking catalog as a fuck you.

Joe Rogan 1:22:01 Oh, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1:22:02 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:22:03 I forgot about that.

Speaker 1:22:04 The most pimp move ever. "I'm gonna buy all your fucking music."

Joe Rogan 1:22:07 That's so gangster.

Speaker 1:22:07 Yeah, yeah. Right? [laughs] So he owns this catalog, right? It's, it's, it's ... I think he, he might have owned Dylan. It was crazy that the, the rights to the music that he owned was nuts, right? He's with Sony. Sony wants the publishing back on all these artists, and he owns it. And when he did his last album, he had to take out a loan against the record company of $200 million to do the album, because he didn't have a lot of money left. And they said, "You gotta put up collateral." And he goes, "All right, I'm gonna ... I'll put up a portion of the catalog as collateral." And then he, before he died, he goes, "They're not promoting my album. And because they're not promoting my album, it's not selling." And then everybody close to him said it was a ruse. They didn't promote the album on purpose so that he would lose the fucking catalog, because he wouldn't be able to pay the loan back, and then right after that he died. Really fucked up.

Joe Rogan 1:23:08 That's the business he was in.

Speaker 1:23:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:10 You buy people's shit, they fuck you over. That's how it works.

Speaker 1:23:13 Yeah, yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:23:14 Come on, man.

Speaker 1:23:15 Well, it's dark, though.

Joe Rogan 1:23:15 You're playing war.

Speaker 1:23:16 It's ... [laughs] It's-

Joe Rogan 1:23:18 You're playing war. If they blow up Air Force One, you gotta go, "Hey, maybe we shouldn't have fucking killed the leader during Ramadan."

Speaker 1:23:25 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:23:25 This is how it works.

Speaker 1:23:27 This is how it works.

Joe Rogan 1:23:27 This is the game we're in.

Speaker 1:23:29 This is, this is the business we chose.

Joe Rogan 1:23:31 Listen, he's in the business of, uh, fucking over his enemies. They decided he was their enemy. They fucked him over.

Speaker 1:23:37 The doctor that administered the drug that killed him is out of jail already. Two years, and they're like, "No, this guy was just a fall guy."

Joe Rogan 1:23:47 Well-

Speaker 1:23:47 You know? Who knows

Joe Rogan 1:23:48 ... the thing about the doctor is he was asking the doctor to do that. The doctor shouldn't have done that.

Speaker 1:23:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:23:54 It's not like the doctor killed him on purpose. Like, he wanted to get anesthetized. I think he was so crazy that he couldn't sleep, and he was so out of his fucking mind. And he was probably on a bunch of stuff. He probably wasn't just on propofol. If you're willing to take propofol to go to sleep, what else are you taking?

Speaker 1:24:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:24:10 You're taking some other things.

Speaker 1:24:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:11 Right? The doctor, the one thing that he said that I found very fascinating was that he said that Michael had been chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice.

Speaker 1:24:22 I've heard that.

Joe Rogan 1:24:23 Yeah. And it makes sense. It completely makes sense. If you look at his body, it makes sense. His body looks like it's devoid of testosterone.

Speaker 1:24:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:24:32 It has no testosterone. He's very thin. If you look at his brothers, they're all thick. They're all, like, big dudes.

Speaker 1:24:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:38 Jermaine. They're all, like, men.

Speaker 1:24:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:40 They look like men, like thick men.

Speaker 1:24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:42 He looks thin and f- he looks very different than them.

Speaker 1:24:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:45 That's not normal.

Speaker 1:24:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:47 That's not normal. That is ... That's not even normal if you don't work out, and he was a dancer, so he was incredibly athletic, right?

Speaker 1:24:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:24:55 So, and all, all the working out that he did, he should've been supple. I mean, he was ... Obviously, he could move so good. I mean, he was ... His movement was incredible. Did you ever see that Bob Fosse movie that apparently he got all those moves from?

Speaker 1:25:09 The one ... Well, okay, so the ... Which? The, the miniseries that Sam Rockwell was in-

Joe Rogan 1:25:14 No

Speaker 1:25:14 ... or All That Jazz?

Joe Rogan 1:25:15 There was a movie. No, before that. A long, uh, earlier And it's Bob Fosse doing all the dance moves-

Speaker 1:25:23 Oh

Joe Rogan 1:25:23 ... that Michael Jackson did.

Speaker 1:25:25 I know what movie you're talking about. It's him and, like, a little kid.

Joe Rogan 1:25:27 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1:25:27 And he's in the desert and doing-

Joe Rogan 1:25:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:25:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:25:29 Yeah.

Speaker 1:25:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:30 I mean, it's literally all of Michael Jackson's signature dance moves come from this one movie. Watch this. Watch how he moves.

Speaker 1:25:39 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:25:40 So there's this, he's doing this, but then he also moonwalks. Like, look at this. Like, all this, this is Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1:25:49 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:25:50 I mean, 100%.

Speaker 1:25:52 Yo, wow. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:53 Look at this. The, the kick and the point with the toes and putting it down, the movement. Cha-ka.

Speaker 1:26:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:00 Yeah. Dun-dun, chka-chka-dun-dun, chka-chka-dun-dun.

Speaker 1:26:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:26:03 I mean, that's, it's literally every move he does. Look at that. That, that point and with the kick and the toes.

Speaker 1:26:09 Even the outfit with the-

Joe Rogan 1:26:10 It's a 1974 movie, The Little Prince.

Speaker 1:26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:13 Little Prince, rather.

Speaker 1:26:14 Even the outfit with the fedora.

Joe Rogan 1:26:16 Bro.

Speaker 1:26:17 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:26:17 I mean, literally-

Speaker 1:26:18 A little nutshell

Joe Rogan 1:26:18 ... he, he mirrored his movements.

Speaker 1:26:21 Uh, it is incredible that Bob Fosse had the stamina and ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life until he dropped dead. Because if you watch the Sam Rockwell miniseries, Fosse/Verdon, which is an amazing miniseries, that guy, bro, he was... I mean, it was intake. That's all it was. He'd wake up-

Joe Rogan 1:26:44 Mm

Speaker 1:26:45 ... he's popping fucking pills, speed, boom, boom, boom, coke, booze, cigarettes, all day long. Chain smoking, chain smoking, sm- chain smoking. Drunk through the whole fucking day, popping pills, doing coke. And the fact that he could still stand, and not just stand, choreograph Broadway shows for hours and be that agile and whatever, is... That's insane to me.

Joe Rogan 1:27:09 It's 'cause he loved it.

Speaker 1:27:10 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 1:27:11 That's the thing. Find the thing you love. Find that thing, and you will have the energy to pursue it. It's really it.

Speaker 1:27:19 But y- but aren't you a, aren't you a little amazed that, that his intake of substance could not, would not hinder it in any way?

Joe Rogan 1:27:26 It's kinda crazy.

Speaker 1:27:27 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:27:27 But I mean, we've seen that before.

Speaker 1:27:30 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:27:30 You know?

Speaker 1:27:31 Yeah, yeah. There's, yeah, yeah. I, I hear you.

Joe Rogan 1:27:34 There's, there's people that have un- unreal tolerances, like Shane with, with booze. It's unreal.

Speaker 1:27:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27:43 When you see him pound 16 Bud Lights and n- not a slur, not a stammer.

Speaker 1:27:48 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 1:27:48 Nothing. Doesn't miss a beat. Puts the sunglasses on.

Speaker 1:27:52 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:27:52 Starts getting crazy. [laughs] Like, we do Protect Our Parks, and w- he'll have a stack of empties at the end, and you're like, "That is insane. You should be dead."

Speaker 1:28:01 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:28:01 "You should literally be dead."

Speaker 1:28:03 My favorite Shane story ever, ever. I don't mean to tell his story, but this is my favorite Shane story ever. And I was... The other day, I go, "Dude, you have to do that on tires. It's so funny." He said he ate chicken fingers, then he felt sick, and he goes to the doctor 'cause he's like, "I think I have food poisoning or something."

Joe Rogan 1:28:23 [laughs]

Speaker 1:28:23 Like, something's wrong, right? [laughs] So he goes, he goes to the doctor, he goes, uh... You know, he's asking all the questions. How, well, "How much do you do this?" Whatever. And he goes, "How many drinks do you have in a week?" And Shane said, he took a beat, and he's like, "I'm gonna be honest for once." And he goes, "80." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:28:44 [laughs] 80. So crazy.

Speaker 1:28:46 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:28:47 Oh, that's so crazy.

Speaker 1:28:48 He said the doctor starts laughing, and he goes, "No, come on, man. Seriously." And he goes, "80." And the doctor goes, "It's not the chicken fingers, man."

Joe Rogan 1:28:56 [laughs]

Speaker 1:28:57 "You drink 80 drinks a week," right? [laughs] And I go, "What happened?" He goes, "I went home. I threw up. I was fine the next day. It was the chicken fingers." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:29:10 [laughs]

Speaker 1:29:11 Dude, we were at-

Joe Rogan 1:29:12 Uh, uh

Speaker 1:29:13 ... we were at Chappelle's, uh, summer camp thing, the ranch thing, and we're, we're hanging out, and, uh, I'm, I'm about to go on. Shane goes, "Come on, man. Have a drink, have a drink." I go, "Dude, I r- I already had two, man. Like, I, I gotta go on, dude. I gotta be c- I gotta be careful." Like... He goes, "Have another drink, dude. You'll be fine." I go, "Shane, I don't wanna, I, I don't wanna be tipsy." He goes, "What, what number drink is that for you?" I go, "Three." He goes, "I've had 17 Bud Lights."

Joe Rogan 1:29:40 [laughs]

Speaker 1:29:40 "Have another fucking drink." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:29:42 He doesn't wanna be alone in drunk land.

Speaker 1:29:44 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:29:45 He wants you to be there with him in happy drunk land. He's a happy drunk, though.

Speaker 1:29:49 The best.

Joe Rogan 1:29:49 I, I love him. He's so fun. He's such a fun dude. C- he's such, such a unique person. He's very different than anybody I've ever met. He's like... You would think by l- by, you know, y- you hear him t- You'd think, like, he's similar to someone you know, but he's not.

Speaker 1:30:04 No.

Joe Rogan 1:30:05 Different dude. Fucking smart as shit, too. Knows a fuckload about history.

Speaker 1:30:09 Loves history.

Joe Rogan 1:30:10 Loves it, man.

Speaker 1:30:11 Loves history. And, and, and yeah, he's a very unique specimen. He's, uh... And, and as you said, a very fun drunk. I was just down at the beach with him, and, uh, he was on the beach all day, and I was at the house. I t- I called it early, and I was just kinda chilling out inside with McCusker, uh, and Tommy, watching a movie. We were just chilling, and Shane came back from the beach, and he was all fucking tuned up from White Claws or whatever he was drinking.

Joe Rogan 1:30:37 [laughs]

Speaker 1:30:38 And, uh, I was laying on the, on this love seat in, in the room, watching the movie, and he just kept coming up to me, and he's kept tickling me.

Joe Rogan 1:30:46 [laughs]

Speaker 1:30:46 And he's going, "Come on, dog. Come on, dog. Come on, dog."

Joe Rogan 1:30:49 [laughs]

Speaker 1:30:50 And I'm like, [laughs] I'm like, "You're awesome. You're fun."

Joe Rogan 1:30:52 Oh.

Speaker 1:30:52 It's just, he's so fun, man.

Joe Rogan 1:30:54 Yeah.

Speaker 1:30:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30:55 He's, he's life of the party. Him and Joey Diaz in a room together with everybody else is like, oh my God, you got two enormous personalities, life's at the party, in the room together.

Speaker 1:31:05 Diaz kills me.

Joe Rogan 1:31:07 He's the best, man. He's, he's out here all the time now.

Speaker 1:31:09 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:31:10 Yeah, I mean, he's getting a place here at the end of the month, and he's gonna do a residency. So he's gonna do, like, two weeks a month, he's gonna be here.

Speaker 1:31:17 That's awesome. That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:31:18 Oh, it's fucking incredible. It's incredible.

Speaker 1:31:20 He's the best, man. He's the fucking best. It's, it's so fun having an ar- him... I was do- I, the last time he was here, I was doing my monthly, um- Uh, my and friend show at, at the mothership. And, uh, and he was... The first two, the first comic was on or whatever, and he goes, he's like, "Joe, c- could I go up on your show?" And I go, "Of, of course." And he went up, and it was just seeing the pop from the audience and just... I was like, "Man, this is fucking great, dude. It's fucking fun having him around, man."

Joe Rogan 1:31:51 We're very lucky.

Speaker 1:31:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:52 We're very lucky. We got an amazing group of people around us-

Speaker 1:31:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:31:55 ... all the time. It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1:31:57 And he said the funniest fucking thing. We were talking about, like, diet and exercise and lifestyle change, uh, you know, and uh, COVID, I was doing too much of this or that. And w- And I go, "When was your big change, man?" And he goes, he goes, "Joe, you know what fucking day it was? It was the day of the fucking resurrection." [laughs] And we go, "What?" [laughs] And he goes, "Fucking January 6th, the fucking resurrection." [laughs] And we go, “Do you mean the insurrection?” [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:32:30 [laughs]

Speaker 1:32:30 He goes, "Whatever the fuck it was called. I don't give a fuck."

Joe Rogan 1:32:34 [laughs] He used to call Khabib Nurmagomedov, Khabibe. [laughs]

Speaker 1:32:41 The fucking Khabibe guy.

Joe Rogan 1:32:44 [laughs] You know, it's, it's a part of his charm, fucking up people's names.

Speaker 1:32:47 Oh my God. He's so funny. The best dude, man.

Joe Rogan 1:32:51 Yeah.

Speaker 1:32:51 He, he lives right near where my parents live in Jersey, and, uh, I was like, "Oh, dude, man, when I go see my folks, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get in the car and drive up and hang out with you for a night, 'cause it'll be such a great break from just being with my mom [laughs] and dad." And w- uh, he's just the, he's the best, man. He's just got a truly big-hearted dude, man.

Joe Rogan 1:33:09 I was really worried once he moved to New Jersey, we'd never get him out here. Because, uh, I went with him, we went out to eat in New Jersey, and he's the king of New Jersey. I'm like, "Fuck." Everywhere we go, "Joey!"

Speaker 1:33:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33:21 People cheer, y- yelling his name. Went to the restaurant, everybody knows him. It was like immediately, everybody's, like, running over to take care of us. "Joey's here. Joey's here." And I'm like, "Oh, he's the king of New Jersey. He's never gonna leave."

Speaker 1:33:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:33:35 "He's never gonna leave. He loves it here." But there wasn't enough comedy there for him.

Speaker 1:33:39 No.

Joe Rogan 1:33:39 There wasn't, wasn't enough comics. And one of the things that I always say is that we don't exist in a vacuum. We always exist with each other, comics in particular.

Speaker 1:33:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:33:50 You c- you can't really do comedy by yourself. You can, but you can't do it at your best. You need other people doing it around you. You need to see it.

Speaker 1:34:00 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34:00 You need to be around it. The hang, t- the talking about bits in the green room is so huge.

Speaker 1:34:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:34:06 Like, Hasan has given me two killer taglines after, like, seeing, seeing a bit-

Speaker 1:34:11 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:34:11 ... and saying, "What about this?" I'm like, "Oh my God. That's perfect."

Speaker 1:34:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:34:15 Like, those things, like, we're always, like, tuning each other's shit up or reminding each other of a bit.

Speaker 1:34:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:34:20 I remi- like, I remember Tony's bits better than Tony does sometimes.

Speaker 1:34:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:34:24 Like, I had to tell him how a bit goes. He's like, "Oh my God, I forgot that." I'm like-

Speaker 1:34:29 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:34:29 ... "Dude, go do that. Go do that right now." And he went up and did it right then and murdered.

Speaker 1:34:32 That's great.

Joe Rogan 1:34:33 And I'm like, "You forgot. You forgot the bit."

Speaker 1:34:35 Yeah. Yeah. It's a, [clears throat] it's a very, it's a very, um, it's a very individualized sport in the sense of, of golf, where you're playing... Like, you're always playing against yourself, but it's a very communal sport in the sense that you're not playing necessarily in a literal sense with the team, like, like a sketch group would, but you're playing with the team. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:34:58 Yeah.

Speaker 1:34:58 The team is, is in the green room. The team... You're playing with the team in the sense that your buddy is on before you, your buddy is on after you.

Joe Rogan 1:35:06 You're all doing sets together.

Speaker 1:35:07 And, and the game is I gotta play my best game, because I've gotta follow the guy that just had a good game.

Joe Rogan 1:35:13 Yes.

Speaker 1:35:13 And I need the guy after me to have a good game, so I can't fuck up his game.

Joe Rogan 1:35:17 Yes.

Speaker 1:35:18 And it's, it's a very interesting dynamic of team versus individual play. You know?

Joe Rogan 1:35:24 There's also just the atmosphere elevates you, and I noticed that for sure about The Comedy Store in the glory days. In the glory days, like 2014 to 2019 when we left, like phew, there was so much activity there. There was so many guys that were going up. There was so much good comedy, that you would just get elevated just being around it. Like, it raised your own personal bar, like what your high water mark was, and it just... You know, you're around, like, guys with really tight acts, and it just, it really helps. It helps everybody. It hel- it just, it's so important to be around other great comics, you know? And that's why these hubs, like New York is so great for that, LA, and now Austin, it's like these hubs are so important.

Speaker 1:36:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:36:09 Because you really... We'd go on the road on the weekends, right? That was the thing about the Store. But on Tuesday and Wednesday were some of the best nights. Because on Tuesday and Wednesday, it would be Jeselnik, Diaz, fucking, uh, Greg Fitzsimmons-

Speaker 1:36:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:36:24 ... Dom Irrera.

Speaker 1:36:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36:25 It w- Over and over, a murderer's row.

Speaker 1:36:27 [exhales]

Joe Rogan 1:36:27 It was so... Burr would pop in, and maybe Chris Rock was in town. It was like, God damn, these nights were insane. They were so good.

Speaker 1:36:36 I'll tell, I'll tell you, um, the, the reason I moved to Austin, and the thing that continues to be the greatest challenge for me here, in a, in a, in a good way, in a constructive way. Because people say all the time to me online and shit, they'll be like, "Oh, you, you moved to Austin to, to, for Kill Tony." I'm like, I didn't fucking move to Austin because of K- I knew T- Tony and I were friends, and I had done the show. I didn't become kind of a part of that show until after I lived here, because Tony started to put me on and we started to have fun, and then it grew from there. You and I were, we're buddies, but, like, we're much tighter as pals now than we were-

Joe Rogan 1:37:18 Well, we're around you, though, all the time now

Speaker 1:37:20 ... two y- e- exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:37:21 Yeah.

Speaker 1:37:21 Um, so I moved here primarily for, uh, well, number one, I love Austin, and I always... And I used to live here, and I always wanted to go back. And once you could do comedy here, it was, like, a reason to go back, right? And you could work. The other reason was I was I was like, I did New York, I did LA, I want a new challenge, and, and there's a new scene now and all that stuff. But the thing that puts me on my toes the most, uh, and still does, is this is the best place for young comics to be able to pursue comedy because they can actually live here. They can afford it. New York has become unaffordable. LA has become unaffordable. A young comic can come here, can live like a human being and pursue their dream, and those are the guys that keep me on my t- Because you're like, dude, it doesn't matter if I'm the only guy on this lineup that has done TV or whatever, you got five people going up that are fucking swinging for the fences. Because when you're young, you really are like, "I gotta fucking prove myself."

Joe Rogan 1:38:27 Yeah.

Speaker 1:38:27 So you're following, even if it's four unknown people, they're doing their A shit. They are trying to kill as hard as humanly possible, and you're like, "All right, I, this is [laughs] I got, I gotta fucking bring it." You know what I mean? There's a-

Joe Rogan 1:38:42 There's that, and it's also their enthusiasm for it.

Speaker 1:38:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:46 You know? And, and the thing about Austin is we have a real system at the club that actually develops talent.

Speaker 1:38:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:38:53 Like, we have two nights of open mic nights, and we have a real talent coordinator. Adam really watches everyone.

Speaker 1:38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:59 He watches the open mic nights. He gives people advice. He gets them spots. He helps them. He gets them on showcase nights.

Speaker 1:39:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:05 He puts them on... He gives them sets, gives them feedback, and then they get to work all around town. There's five other fucking clubs on the same street, man.

Speaker 1:39:14 It's crazy, dude. You can walk from your place to Sunset to The Creek to-

Joe Rogan 1:39:23 Vulcan

Speaker 1:39:24 ... Black Rabbit to Vulcan, and then if you don't mind walking 20 minutes, you can be at Roscoe's, East Austin. Like, it's fucking nuts, man.

Joe Rogan 1:39:35 It's crazy.

Speaker 1:39:35 It's, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:35 And then there's also Cap City-

Speaker 1:39:38 Yeah, Cap City

Joe Rogan 1:39:38 ... which is on the other side of town-

Speaker 1:39:39 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:39:39 ... which is fucking awesome.

Speaker 1:39:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:41 It's amazing here.

Speaker 1:39:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:43 And you know, there's so many young people that have moved here now. And then the Kill Tony, uh, thing. The Kill Tony thing is so huge because it's... First of all, you have one minute. You, you have no room for virtue signaling, no room for fucking claptor. Shut the fuck up. Just where's the jokes? Come, come with the jokes.

Speaker 1:40:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:02 And then no one takes any- anybody... No one's taking themselves seriously.

Speaker 1:40:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:06 Everybody's getting cracked on. Everyone's cracking on everybody. It's very fun.

Speaker 1:40:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:10 It's a fun environment, and it's just emphasizing funny.

Speaker 1:40:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:13 What is funny? What makes people laugh?

Speaker 1:40:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:15 And there's a bunch of different styles that do it. You know, there's a bunch of different weirdos that go up every week-

Speaker 1:40:22 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:40:23 ... and most of them have no chance, but there's some gems.

Speaker 1:40:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:27 And that's the thing about having, like, a true meritocracy, where all that matters is if you're funny. That's it. Doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter what your background is. There's... I mean, Kill Tony is, like, one of the most diverse lineups you're ever gonna see. For all the people that think that Tony's a Nazi, [laughs] it's kind of hilarious-

Speaker 1:40:44 It's insane

Joe Rogan 1:40:44 ... 'cause it's trans people-

Speaker 1:40:46 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:40:46 ... disabled people, you know, uh, people from all walks of life. Home- literal homeless people have gone on stage-

Speaker 1:40:52 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:40:53 ... started a career because-

Speaker 1:40:54 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 1:40:54 ... of Kill Tony.

Speaker 1:40:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:55 They are literally homeless while they're doing it-

Speaker 1:40:57 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:40:57 ... sleeping in a car, and the next thing you know, they have a career.

Speaker 1:41:01 Yeah, yeah. Uh, it's, it's an a- it's a truly amazing thing. Um, it's, it's... You know, we just did, uh, he just did MSG, and I was there and did the show, and then, and then paneled with Jimmy Carr and Attell, and it was nuts, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:41:13 Do you know how crazy that is that Kill Tony sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row?

Speaker 1:41:20 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:41:20 When I first did it with him, we did it in the fucking, the Belly Room-

Speaker 1:41:25 Yep

Joe Rogan 1:41:25 ... at The Store, and the only people in the audience were, like, comics. There was nobody in the audience. There was like 10 other people maybe.

Speaker 1:41:32 Dude, I remember, [clears throat] excuse me. I was down here to do Sou- It was when I still lived in New York. I was down here to do South by Southwest, and Tony hit me up, and he goes, "Buddy, are you in town Monday?" I go, "Yeah." He goes-

Joe Rogan 1:41:45 Oh, okay. I did his voice.

Speaker 1:41:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:47 "Buddy."

Speaker 1:41:47 Yeah, he goes-

Joe Rogan 1:41:47 "Buddy." [laughs]

Speaker 1:41:48 ... "Buddy." He goes, he goes, "Come do Kill Tony," right? I go, "Okay." I hadn't seen him in years, you know? Uh, and the last I saw him, I did it in the Belly Room. Maybe the Main Room. I don't re- you know, whatever, but it was at the Comedy Store. Dude, I walked into the fucking Vulcan, 'cause it was before Mothership opened. I walked into The Vulcan. It was like fucking Thunderdome, dude. It was two levels, people go- Like, you could feel the excitement. Dude, I walked in the green room. Tony goes, "There he is." I go, "What the fuck is going on, dude? [laughs] What is going on?" I go, "Is it like this every week?" He goes, "It sells out in one minute." I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:42:33 [laughs]

Speaker 1:42:35 ... "What?" [laughs] I go, "Did these people fly in?" He's like, "Yeah." I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:42:38 Dude, it's broken our ticket, our ticket service multiple times, where it just, the, the, the overwhelming demand, the people that are trying to get tickets versus the tickets that are available, is so crazy it crashes the system.

Speaker 1:42:52 That's nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:42:53 We had to, like, revamp the system, like, multiple times just to deal with the Kill Tony sales.

Speaker 1:42:57 That's fucking nuts. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:42:59 It's nuts. Well, it's just because it's so good. It's that simple, and if you've gone, you wanna go again. It's so fun.

Speaker 1:43:06 It's, it's... That moment, it was like in... Remember in Casino when Pesci goes out to Vegas for the first time, and De Niro goes, "And this is," whatever Sharon Stone's character's name is. Uh, and then Pesci looks at Sharon Stone and he goes, "Holy shit, Ace, what the fuck you been doing out here?" It was that.

Joe Rogan 1:43:25 Yeah.

Speaker 1:43:25 It was like I saw that cro- That crowd was Sharon Stone.

Joe Rogan 1:43:28 Yeah.

Speaker 1:43:28 And Tony was De Niro, and I go, "What the fuck you been doing out here, man?" [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:43:31 Well, The Vulcan really opened up our eyes to the fact that we needed a club. And what happened was- No one had done any standup at all for months, and then Tony and I did, uh, the Houston Improv.

Speaker 1:43:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:43:45 Which was great. It was a lot of fun. We did a weekend. It was in the middle of the COVID. It was in July, and everyone was scared. And I did it, and it was a lot of fun. I hadn't done standup in months. It was so much fun. But then I started thinking, "What if I get COVID and then give it to one of my fucking guests and kill them?" This was back when people were really worried-

Speaker 1:44:04 Yeah, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:44:04 ... COVID was gonna kill you.

Speaker 1:44:05 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:44:06 I was like, "Oh, no." 'Cause I have, like, these people that come in. Some of them are older.

Speaker 1:44:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:10 You know? And I had this lady on who was a scientist, and she was older, and I was like, "What if I gave her COVID and killed her?"

Speaker 1:44:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:16 'Cause that was back in the da- That was also when people were really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and still spread it, which turned out, really what was going on was there was a lot of false positives for the PCR tests.

Speaker 1:44:27 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:44:28 S- 80-plus percent false positives.

Speaker 1:44:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:44:30 And so I said, "Let me just take time off. I don't wanna do that. I don't, I... This just fe- feels totally irresponsible. Just 'cause I w- wanna get my comedy fix, let me just ride this out." And then we wound up moving to Texas, and, uh, by the time we moved to Texas, [smacks lips] it was around November, and, uh, Dave and I were doing these outdoor shows.

Speaker 1:44:53 I remember at Stubs, right?

Joe Rogan 1:44:54 Yeah.

Speaker 1:44:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:44:54 We were doing shows at Stubs-

Speaker 1:44:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:44:55 ... which was a lot of fun. But everybody had to be tested. People had to wait in line. You know, it was like, it was a big deal, and a few people tested positive. We had to kick them out.

Speaker 1:45:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:45:06 [smacks lips] Um, then the Vulcan just started doing shows. Fuck your tests. Let's just go back to the way it was. And this is in November, and Ron White went up, and he hadn't gone up in, like, eight months. He hadn't done any standup in eight months, and he went on stage, and the audience went fucking berserk. They went berserk. Like, people were standing up, "Yeah!"

Speaker 1:45:26 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:45:26 And he murdered... I mean, Ron White just laid it down for 15 minutes.

Speaker 1:45:32 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 1:45:33 And then he grabs me by the shoulders offstage, and he goes, "Whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this." He goes, "You gotta open up that club."

Speaker 1:45:40 [sighs]

Joe Rogan 1:45:40 And I was like, "All right. Okay, we're gonna open up a club."

Speaker 1:45:42 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:45:43 And that was when I decided. I'm like, "That's it. We're gonna open up a club." And then I immediately started looking at real estate and immediately tried to find a place.

Speaker 1:45:50 Wow, I didn't know that. I didn't know-

Joe Rogan 1:45:51 Yeah

Speaker 1:45:51 ... that that's how the whole-

Joe Rogan 1:45:52 That was it, Ron White grabbing me. 'Cause Ron White is why I moved here in the first place. So I knew Ron moved here in 2018, um, and you know, me and Ron were talking on the phone. He's like, "I fucking love it here." And you know, he's telling me how great Austin was, and everything else was locked down. I was like, "Look, if I move to Austin, if no one's doing standup again ever, at least I can hang out with Ron." Like, at least-

Speaker 1:46:15 Sure

Joe Rogan 1:46:16 ... it'll be a comic that I can hang out with and, and, and live in a place where it's, like, more relaxed-

Speaker 1:46:20 Mm

Joe Rogan 1:46:20 ... and it's easier to get around.

Speaker 1:46:22 Sure. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46:22 You don't have to wear a mask everywhere. It was like, it was... At least it was more chill here.

Speaker 1:46:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:46:26 Even if we never do standup again. And so him doing that and just grabbing me and saying, "We're gonna, we gotta fucking do this. Whatever the fuck we have to do." That's what he said.

Speaker 1:46:35 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:46:35 Like, l- he was just on fire coming offstage, just on fire, and just grabbed my shoulders, and I was like, "Okay, we're doing it."

Speaker 1:46:43 That's fucking great.

Joe Rogan 1:46:44 And that's when I j- 'cause I was alwa- We were talking about it. Like, "We should open up a club. Where would we..." And I looked at a bunch of different places, but they kinda sucked, and they were trying to fuck me. They were asking way too much money for these places. Like, during the, the beginning stages of the pandemic when everyone was moving here from California, everyone got crazy with real estate. They got really nutty.

Speaker 1:47:01 Oh, it was c- it was batshit.

Joe Rogan 1:47:03 They got really delusional. The prices went up, like, 100% in a lot of places.

Speaker 1:47:07 Yeah, I'm going through it now, because I bought a condo here, and I'm trying to sell the condo and buy a house, and it's very tricky now because the market has shifted so much, and values are-

Joe Rogan 1:47:19 There's way too many condos for sale.

Speaker 1:47:21 D- Way too many. And-

Joe Rogan 1:47:22 Way too many

Speaker 1:47:22 ... I'm worried that I'm gonna end up buying this house and not be able to get rid of this goddamn condo.

Joe Rogan 1:47:26 You're gonna have to keep the condo. [clears throat]

Speaker 1:47:28 [sighs] I don't have any need for it. I'm like, I don't know what I would do with it, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:47:32 Oh. [clears throat]

Speaker 1:47:32 But I also don't wanna live in this condo anymore, because originally-

Joe Rogan 1:47:36 That's where you take sketchy women.

Speaker 1:47:38 [laughs] Why?

Joe Rogan 1:47:39 Women that think they're gonna ro- that you think might rob you. 'Cause I know you-

Speaker 1:47:42 Usually

Joe Rogan 1:47:42 ... you date a lot of sketchy gals.

Speaker 1:47:44 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:47:45 [laughs] Take them to the condo. Have a house where it's, like, calm and peaceful, a little bit off the track.

Speaker 1:47:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47:52 Get a little yard. You know, get some s- peace and quiet, and then-

Speaker 1:47:54 And take her to, to our con- the condo.

Joe Rogan 1:47:56 Yeah.

Speaker 1:47:56 She goes, "Why is there only an air mattress in here?"

Joe Rogan 1:47:58 "How come you only have four pairs of underwear?" [laughs]

Speaker 1:48:03 [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's not a bad, it's not a bad point you make.

Joe Rogan 1:48:07 Yeah.

Speaker 1:48:07 I've had a few people in my condo where I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:48:09 Yeah, you don't want them coming to your house

Speaker 1:48:10 ... "I don't know if this was a mistake- [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:48:12 Yeah

Speaker 1:48:12 ... to give this address away."

Joe Rogan 1:48:13 Once you have people showing up at your house, you're like, "Oh, no."

Speaker 1:48:16 It's, um, it's... Oh, uh, w- um, oh, wait. You were just... Ooh. You w- you, you were talking about starting the club. Oh, oh. What's so weird, um, is it's, it's a, it's an odd, like, kind of full circle moment, but when I lived here in 2000, your club was the original Alamo.

Joe Rogan 1:48:35 Yeah.

Speaker 1:48:36 And the Alamo Drafthouse at that time was the only movie theater ever in the country that served food and alcohol during a movie, and I remember that being a place that I went to frequently because I thought it was so amazing that you could get food during a movie, and the kinds of movies they played I loved. And then on top of it, I w- I always saw that as the reason that I loved Austin. It was sort of just a, it was just sort of a, a, a, a symbol of why I loved Austin, the concept of it all. And it's so weird now that I've moved back after all these years that that's where the mothership is, and now that's my symbol for living in Austin, and, and being a part of this club, and, and, and that club begetting all these other places that we get to perform in this scene and all that stuff. It's a very weird, like, kind of full circle thing I didn't realize until right now as we were talking about it.

Joe Rogan 1:49:32 We need to have a birthday party for the building. The building turns 100 next year.

Speaker 1:49:38 Ugh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:49:39 Yeah, we have to have a birthday party for the building.

Speaker 1:49:41 Yeah. Yeah, you absolutely should.

Joe Rogan 1:49:43 Yeah.

Speaker 1:49:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:49:45 We should do something.

Speaker 1:49:46 Lot of history in that building.

Joe Rogan 1:49:47 Yeah.

Speaker 1:49:47 Lot of cool shit.

Joe Rogan 1:49:49 You could feel it. I felt it when, when... You never got to be here when it was bare bones, but when it was bare bones, when it was just a movie theater, before we did all the renovations and raised the ceiling, or lowered the ceiling and raised the floor, and changed it and made the tunnel, and all the, the, the structure that we put in place. When we first got in there, like, you could feel it. You could feel it, like, baked into the walls. I mean, Stevie Ray Vaughan performed there.

Speaker 1:50:14 What was it before The Alamo?

Joe Rogan 1:50:16 It was a bunch of different things. So at one point in time it was, like, a, a, a punk rock club.

Speaker 1:50:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:50:22 So, like, uh, Black Flag performed there. Like, who's this?

Speaker 1:50:26 Oh.

Speaker 1:50:26 Chili Peppers in '86.

Joe Rogan 1:50:27 Chili Peppers, '86.

Speaker 1:50:29 So, so that's why all of those, um, uh, punk flyers are in the-

Joe Rogan 1:50:33 Yes

Speaker 1:50:33 ... green room.

Joe Rogan 1:50:34 The green room-

Speaker 1:50:35 Okay

Joe Rogan 1:50:35 ... is all, uh, flyers from people that performed at the club, their shows.

Speaker 1:50:40 I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 1:50:41 Yeah.

Speaker 1:50:41 I thought it was just a cool, like, decor thing.

Joe Rogan 1:50:44 Yeah, it, it-

Speaker 1:50:44 I was like, "Oh, that's pretty cool."

Joe Rogan 1:50:45 Well, it's that too, but it's also... Look at it, he's got the sock over his cock. Raw butthole right on our stage.

Speaker 1:50:51 Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1:50:51 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:50:51 Um, yeah, uh, all those things on the wall, all those different people.

Speaker 1:50:56 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:50:57 Willie Nelson, all those different people performed there. That was their, their flyer for the show that they did when they were at the club.

Speaker 1:51:03 There's so many bands on that wall-

Joe Rogan 1:51:05 Mm-hmm

Speaker 1:51:05 ... where I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:51:06 Yeah

Speaker 1:51:07 ... "I love that band. I love that band."

Joe Rogan 1:51:07 Butthole Surfers.

Speaker 1:51:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:09 There's a... Yeah, it's tons. So it was a punk rock band. It was a punk rock club. It was a, a rock and roll club. It was a pool hall for a while. Uh-

Speaker 1:51:17 Sure

Joe Rogan 1:51:17 ... it was a nudie movie theater.

Speaker 1:51:19 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:51:21 Yeah.

Speaker 1:51:21 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:51:22 Yeah. And then obviously it became The Alamo, and then The Alamo went under, I think before the pandemic it went under. And, and then it was available t- you know, like a year la- And I looked at it and I was like, "Eh, it's, like, too much work." And, and then, and then, um, that was from what year?

Speaker 1:51:41 '74.

Joe Rogan 1:51:42 '74. Wow.

Speaker 1:51:43 So that's Fat Man.

Joe Rogan 1:51:44 Yep. That's what it used to look like.

Speaker 1:51:47 Fuck, man. I mean, it looks different obviously, but it doesn't look that diff- like, you could kind of-

Joe Rogan 1:51:52 It looks a lot more narrow.

Speaker 1:51:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:55 It l- What I don't understand, like, what, what happened? I wonder if it was two rooms back then.

Speaker 1:52:03 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:52:04 It looks different. It looks very different in terms of the... Like, that looks more like it.

Speaker 1:52:08 Right.

Speaker 1:52:09 Well, this is the, not the same one.

Joe Rogan 1:52:10 Oh.

Speaker 1:52:10 It's about-

Joe Rogan 1:52:10 Different one

Speaker 1:52:11 ... the county, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52:12 Um, yeah. The middle one looks like it.

Speaker 1:52:16 There's also-

Speaker 1:52:16 Oh, yeah

Speaker 1:52:16 ... multiple The Ritzes. That's what I was-

Joe Rogan 1:52:18 Mm, but the middle one looks more like it. Go back to that again. Yeah, that looks more like the dimensions.

Speaker 1:52:25 Fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 1:52:27 We fit 250 people in the, the big room, but I think we could fit a lot more if we have seating like The Comedy Works in Denver, which I think is the best seat. That's what it looked like when we first got there. When we first got there it looked like that.

Speaker 1:52:40 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:52:41 And we walked in and we were like, "Holy shit." The stage was really high, obviously, 'cause it was like movie theater.

Speaker 1:52:47 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:52:48 And the seating was, uh, at an angle, a very sharp angle like a movie theater, and so we had to l- raise the s- the floor up, um, so it was flat in the center, and there's just a slight raise in the back. And then we kept those two balconies. Go back up to that picture right there. Those two balconies that we have. Obviously we have the green room-

Speaker 1:53:09 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:53:09 ... balcony and then the VIP balcony, which is such a dope thing to have.

Speaker 1:53:12 Yeah. That's-

Joe Rogan 1:53:13 Because it's always, there's always friends that come by that wanna, wanna come by and see the show, and you, you'll always have 40 seats. You know, you could always get 40 people up there. So there's always plenty of room.

Speaker 1:53:23 Those balconies fit 40 people total?

Joe Rogan 1:53:25 Yeah.

Speaker 1:53:25 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 1:53:26 Yeah.

Speaker 1:53:26 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:53:27 We always can stuff plenty of people back, back up in there.

Speaker 1:53:30 That's fucking... Wow. I had no idea the building was as old as you just said it was.

Joe Rogan 1:53:34 Yeah.

Speaker 1:53:34 And I had no idea all that other shit was that-

Joe Rogan 1:53:36 1927.

Speaker 1:53:38 Is this still the main room-

Speaker 1:53:40 That was-

Speaker 1:53:40 ... or is this Little Boy?

Speaker 1:53:40 ... that was Kansas City, so.

Speaker 1:53:42 Oh, okay. Sorry.

Speaker 1:53:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:43 Similar looking. But, you know, we, we tried to figure out how to do it. Do we do it just like, like initially we thought, well, maybe we should do it just like this, like have seating, like movie theater seating. And then we're like, "No, we should probably, like, raise the floor up and make it flat in the front. It would make more sense."

Speaker 1:54:02 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:54:03 You know? And then we had to figure out, like, what to do with the stage, and then Louie gave me some really good advice. We were gonna keep the ceiling the way it was, and Louie was like, "How... Can you lower it?" And I was like, "I think we can lower it, like, and still get some view out of the balcony." So we had to figure out how to lower the ceiling just enough so y- And it made a difference.

Speaker 1:54:22 There you go.

Joe Rogan 1:54:22 And then he said lower the ceiling in the Little Boy, too, and we did that. And then we also made the stage smaller in the Little Boy. This is all Louie's advice, and he was dead on. I was like, "Tell me what you think." I, I le- listened to everybody. Everybody had got a say in what to do, you know, and what to have. Like Brian Simpson, it was his idea to have the, the lights in the green room, the light that shows you someone's got-

Speaker 1:54:45 Oh

Joe Rogan 1:54:45 ... the light in the big room, someone's got a light, the light in the little room. And then, uh, I think it was Tony's idea to put the timers. One or the other. Maybe it was Tony for the lights, Brian for the timer. I forget. But everybody had a little piece of the... Like, I think it was, uh, Brian's idea to have monitors. It's like everybody got a say in how it's done. That's what it looked like when you, when we first walked in.

Speaker 1:55:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:05 Now... What does it look like now?

Speaker 1:55:07 It, it-

Joe Rogan 1:55:07 I never go in through the front.

Speaker 1:55:08 It, it looks, it looks, it looks-

Speaker 1:55:09 The big mothership comes dropping from the ceiling and...

Joe Rogan 1:55:12 I know. Go to, go to what it looks like now.

Speaker 1:55:14 Uh...

Speaker 1:55:14 It looks-

Joe Rogan 1:55:14 See if you can find an image of the mothership.

Speaker 1:55:16 Similar, and, uh, it's been redone obviously, but it looks similar enough that you can see-

Joe Rogan 1:55:20 Oh, yeah. You can see the bones

Speaker 1:55:21 ... you can see it. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:22 I mean, it's essentially, it was set up perfectly for two, um, rooms.

Speaker 1:55:28 That's pretty much it.

Joe Rogan 1:55:29 There's no pictures of the, the UFO?

Speaker 1:55:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:33 That's kind of crazy. So we have a big UFO as you walk in.

Speaker 1:55:36 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:36 There it is.

Speaker 1:55:37 There it is.

Joe Rogan 1:55:37 That's the UFO, and it has a, a projector. So the UFO is a projector, and up on the screen it projects all the people that are coming soon.

Speaker 1:55:45 That's fucking cool, man

Joe Rogan 1:55:46 ... it's been a- amazing. We've, we've been open for three years now, and it's, uh, been the most fun thing that I've ever been a part of

Speaker 1:55:55 It's hilarious, dude. I've walked under that projector a thousand times, and I never r- or realized... Or the UFO, I mean, and I never realized it was projecting shit [laughs] on the ceiling

Joe Rogan 1:56:02 Yeah, it's a projector. Yeah

Speaker 1:56:03 That's so funny

Joe Rogan 1:56:04 Yeah, well, we just wanted to, wanted to make it cool. Want... And it's also, I think it's a fire extinguisher. I think the center of it is a fire ex- I think we had to have one, so we put it in the center of the UFO. [laughs]

Speaker 1:56:15 [laughs] That same, that same time I was talking about during South by Southwest and, um, and when, when I did Kill Tony, the... It was me and Adam Ray were on panel, and, and the next day Eric invited us over to see the club, and it wasn't done yet, you know? But he walked us in. I remember him walking me through Little Boy-

Joe Rogan 1:56:33 Mm

Speaker 1:56:34 ... and being like, "We're gonna do this, and we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this-

Joe Rogan 1:56:37 Yeah

Speaker 1:56:37 ... we're gonna do this." And I remember he goes, "You gonna play here?" And I go, "I fucking hope so." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:56:43 [laughs]

Speaker 1:56:44 I hope so. Um, but yeah, it was, it was wild seeing it, like, you know, in the construction phase and, and, and whatever, and then seeing the final product and remembering like, "Oh, I remember he told me they were gonna change that."

Joe Rogan 1:56:56 It's been really fun.

Speaker 1:56:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56:58 Yeah.

Speaker 1:56:58 Yeah. I mean, and you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's... I think few people are in a position to have created a club that can operate the way a club ideally should operate, and you're one of those people, and you made it work, which is, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:57:13 Well, you have to do it not to make money.

Speaker 1:57:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:57:15 You have to... Like, my goal in the beginning was just break even.

Speaker 1:57:18 Right

Joe Rogan 1:57:18 That was the goal. Like, let's just break even. So the idea is that everybody gets paid what they're supposed to get paid, particularly the comics get... Th- that's what everybody's here to see. They're, they're not-

Speaker 1:57:29 Right

Joe Rogan 1:57:29 ... there to buy drinks in an empty room. They're there to see the comics, so the comics should get the most money.

Speaker 1:57:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57:35 That's, you know, what I used to always think when I'd go to other clubs. I'd be like, "This is crazy." Like-

Speaker 1:57:39 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:57:40 ... but I would always tell comedians, "Be nice to club owners 'cause you don't wanna be one."

Speaker 1:57:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57:43 Like, you don't, you don't wanna be-

Speaker 1:57:45 Right

Joe Rogan 1:57:46 ... the guy that has to r- run these fucking-

Speaker 1:57:48 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:57:48 ... places and deal with these maniacs-

Speaker 1:57:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:57:50 ... that come in, and especially some of the nuttier ones on the road, you know? Like, could you imagine if you had to run the Funny Bone in Columbus, Ohio? [laughs] Fucking, fucking, fucking animals that show up.

Speaker 1:58:00 Just-

Joe Rogan 1:58:01 They missed their flights, and-

Speaker 1:58:02 Ugh

Joe Rogan 1:58:03 ... they're fucking... They do ecstasy the night before. They can't read. [laughs]

Speaker 1:58:07 Yeah. Yeah. It's 8:30. The headliner's not there yet. You're like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 1:58:11 He's, he's trying to score coke.

Speaker 1:58:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58:14 Yeah.

Speaker 1:58:14 It's, it's... I, I, I always m- I, I always said that too. I was like, I was like, "I would never wanna be in a position where I have to deal with comics [laughs] from that side of it."

Joe Rogan 1:58:25 Especially-

Speaker 1:58:26 I wouldn't want to

Joe Rogan 1:58:26 ... comics coming up. There's... Like, most established comedians, once you've been doing it a long time, you, you have a career. You're, you're like... You're reliable, you know?

Speaker 1:58:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:58:37 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:58:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58:38 Like, if, if you book, you know, f- fill in the blank.

Speaker 1:58:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58:43 You know, whoever it is, is, like, national headliner. They're gonna show up.

Speaker 1:58:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58:47 You know?

Speaker 1:58:48 Well, also too, like, the, the profile... And, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the profile that you were able to bring to the club probably helped you circumvent some of the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to deal with with agents and all that shit, where it's like, "Hey, man, sorry, there's an improv there, so we can't take our guy out of the improv" or whatever. And now you're fu- there's a whole other battle now that you have to do.

Joe Rogan 1:59:16 Well, there's that-

Speaker 1:59:17 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:59:17 ... and if you pay people more, they'll go to your place. [laughs]

Speaker 1:59:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59:21 That's one thing I found out.

Speaker 1:59:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59:22 And it pisses off the other clubs, but look, that's not my fault.

Speaker 1:59:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59:26 Like, I, this is... I am a comedian. I d- I made a living doing this for a long time, and I know the value of the comedian.

Speaker 1:59:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:59:34 I know the value of the comic. The comic should be getting most of the money.

Speaker 1:59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59:38 You know, I don't deserve most of the money. We can make money. We'll m- gonna make money-

Speaker 1:59:41 Right

Joe Rogan 1:59:42 ... on 20% of the ticket sales and-

Speaker 1:59:44 Right

Joe Rogan 1:59:44 ... the liquor and all that jazz. We'll make plenty of money.

Speaker 1:59:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:59:47 Like, let's not be greedy.

Speaker 1:59:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:59:48 Let's just make an awesome environment.

Speaker 1:59:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:59:50 And that's what we wanted to do. So the goal was never to make money. So most people when they start a business, their goal is to try to make money.

Speaker 1:59:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:59:57 And this was a c- conscious decision to just not lose money.

Speaker 2:00:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00:01 Just make it cool.

Speaker 2:00:02 It's, it's again, you're, you're, yeah, you're, you were, you were in a, in a very, uh, um, uh, advantageous, uh, position to, to make it the right way, and it's great. Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:00:11 It was al- also like I kinda had to do it that way because I had the resources, and it's like, look, you're supposed to do the right thing. This is the, this is, this is the thing you should do. M- what would you like someone in, with, that has your kind of money to do? I would like someone to make an awesome club for comics.

Speaker 2:00:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:00:27 Like, you're, you're a comic. You know how important it is.

Speaker 2:00:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00:30 Make, make, make the fucking, the best creative environment, welcoming everybody, pump everybody up.

Speaker 2:00:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00:37 That's what you should do.

Speaker 2:00:38 Dude, it's, it's, it's funny 'cause I always say if you're, if... And, and you did this as a comic, right? I always say with a, with a movie star, right, somebody who's got, you know, real movie star bank. I'm just like, "Man, why the fuck don't more of these guys that have endless cash start creating film situations that they wanna be a part of?" Not, I don't mean like we're gonna do the next blockbuster thing or, or we've got a franchise or whatever. It's like why don't you take 10 million bucks and make the fucking art fucking movie with all of your friends that you always wanted to make?

Joe Rogan 2:01:22 Right.

Speaker 2:01:22 Because who cares? You will break even. You will break even at, at the le- at the very least. I never ever, ever understood why more people in that position don't do it.

Joe Rogan 2:01:35 Right.

Speaker 2:01:35 I don't get it. Because rock stars do it all the time. Rock stars start a little label-

Joe Rogan 2:01:39 Yeah

Speaker 2:01:39 ... and they start putting on other bands that they love, and they do passion projects to, because they wanna work with their friends. I've never, maybe not never, but it's very rare that you ever see a movie star do that, and I'm like, "Why not do it?" For, for years- American Psycho was the big one, the Bret Easton Ellis novel. W- why haven't they made a-

Joe Rogan 2:01:59 Right

Speaker 2:01:59 ... accurate ad- adaptation? Well, the studios don't wanna touch it because it's too violent. It's too... It's, it's like somebody with $500 million who's a movie star, fucking go, "I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna do it the way it's supposed to be done, and it's gonna work because that's what people wanna see, and fuck it, man." Like, I just, I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 2:02:19 Do you think that the, uh, Christian Bale version was not accurate?

Speaker 2:02:24 I like the Christian Bale version a lot, but it is not the book.

Joe Rogan 2:02:27 Right.

Speaker 2:02:27 I mean, the book is fucking dark. It's brutal.

Joe Rogan 2:02:31 Yeah.

Speaker 2:02:32 [laughs] There's shit in that book. [laughs] I was-

Joe Rogan 2:02:34 Oh, yeah

Speaker 2:02:35 ... I was reading that book and I was like, "Bret Easton Ellis has murdered somebody." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:02:39 [laughs]

Speaker 2:02:40 "There are details in here where I was like, I don't understand how you would know this," like... [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:02:46 There's one of the darkest scenes in that book is when, um, he goes to get rid of the body, and the real estate guy sees him-

Speaker 2:02:53 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 2:02:53 ... in, in the room 'cause they're, they're selling the apartment.

Speaker 2:02:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02:56 And so he realizes the real estate guy's already gotten rid of the body.

Speaker 2:03:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03:00 And they look at each other, and he just leaves.

Speaker 2:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03:02 And you're like, "Oh, God."

Speaker 2:03:04 Yeah. And there was th- by the way, I was just joking about Bret Easton Ellis. I don't think he's murdered somebody. I feel like we have to say that f- for-

Joe Rogan 2:03:11 It's very important to clarify.

Speaker 2:03:13 Yeah, yeah. I was just joking.

Joe Rogan 2:03:14 Just humor.

Speaker 2:03:14 Um, but, but the thing the book did... And they cut a, they cut a major scene out of the movie. It's the one extra scene on the b- on the Blu-ray, and I don't understand why they deleted it. But there's a scene in the movie where his friend says, they're at the club at the beginning, and his friend goes, "I'm outta here." And the guy climbs up, like, these, like, rafters or whatever and crawls into, like, a fan vent in the club, and you never see him ever again. And that's the part in the book that makes you go, "Is this all in this fucking guy's head? What he just described d- happening is nuts."

Joe Rogan 2:03:52 Oh, right, right.

Speaker 2:03:53 "And this guy is now gone, and nobody knows where he is." And I'm, and I'm like, is it... That's such a key scene, and they cut it out of the movie. And so whatever. They're remaking it now again.

Joe Rogan 2:04:04 Oh, they are?

Speaker 2:04:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04:05 Who's gonna be, uh, American Psycho?

Speaker 2:04:07 I th- I think maybe Adam Driver is connected to it, I think. Maybe.

Joe Rogan 2:04:12 Oh, he'd be good at that.

Speaker 2:04:13 Um-

Joe Rogan 2:04:14 He's got a b- lot of psycho behind his eyes.

Speaker 2:04:16 Yeah. But The Shards is the new Bret Easton Ellis adaptation on, on Fox.

Joe Rogan 2:04:20 What is it?

Speaker 2:04:22 It's his last novel, and it's a, it's, uh, it's a, it's a fictional autobiography where he, the main character is him as a teenager, and there's a serial killer loose. And all these murders are happening. They're targeting teenagers, these brutal fucking murders. And there's a cult happening that's reminiscent of the Manson cult, and then he's also coming of age and realizing he's gay and, like, as he's trying to deal with the fact that this murder thing is happening.

Joe Rogan 2:04:54 Whoa.

Speaker 2:04:54 And he thinks he knows who it is, and-

Joe Rogan 2:04:56 Whoa

Speaker 2:04:56 ... it's a wild story. But they're d- and he's, he co-created it with Ryan Murphy, the TV show, the adaptation. It's really fucking good so far.

Joe Rogan 2:05:05 Mm.

Speaker 2:05:05 Really good.

Joe Rogan 2:05:05 Oh, so it's a period piece.

Speaker 2:05:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:07 What-

Speaker 2:05:07 It takes place in, like, '83 or '84.

Joe Rogan 2:05:09 You know how I could tell? The Ferrari.

Speaker 2:05:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:12 Old Ferrari. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2:05:18 But it's one of the adaptations where I was like, I feel like they're really capturing a lot of what's actually in the book. 'Cause Less Than Zero is a cool movie, but it's not the book. Rules of Attraction's a great movie, and that's... He said that was the closest thing he, that anybody had gotten to-

Joe Rogan 2:05:34 The books are, it's-

Speaker 2:05:34 ... one of his books

Joe Rogan 2:05:35 ... American Psycho would be very hard to capture the darkness of it.

Speaker 2:05:39 [exhales]

Joe Rogan 2:05:39 Because you also are, you're capturing this guy's internal dialogue.

Speaker 2:05:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:05:43 You know?

Speaker 2:05:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:05:43 Which is some of it.

Speaker 2:05:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:45 And it's dark. So what would you do? Would you have a guy narrate the internal dialogue? You're missing something.

Speaker 2:05:50 Well, they did that with Bale. He, he narrates-

Joe Rogan 2:05:52 Yeah

Speaker 2:05:52 ... the entire thing.

Joe Rogan 2:05:53 I know, but you're missing something there.

Speaker 2:05:54 It's very funny.

Joe Rogan 2:05:56 Right. You, you-

Speaker 2:05:57 How do you mean?

Joe Rogan 2:05:57 'Cause I, I think instead of hearing it, when you're reading the internal dialogue, you, you, you understand that there's no... You don't hear the voices.

Speaker 2:06:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:06:07 You know what I mean? Like, this guy's got some fucking creepy shit going on in his head. I mean, he-

Speaker 2:06:12 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:06:12 ... he's a fucking sociopath-

Speaker 2:06:14 [laughs] Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:06:15 ... psychopathic murderer.

Speaker 2:06:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06:17 It's like you get into his head-

Speaker 2:06:19 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:06:19 ... in this way that I don't think you ever do in a movie. Like, you're in his head when you're reading it 'cause you're imagining it all happening in his head. You're imagining how he's viewing, like, the real estate scene.

Speaker 2:06:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:06:31 Like, he's locking eyes with this real estate guy. There's just a creepiness to it that it's like, oof.

Speaker 2:06:36 He plays... The best scene acting-wise, in my opinion, in, in that movie, is when, when they're comparing, uh, the business cards.

Joe Rogan 2:06:46 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:06:46 And they're like, they're, like, one-upping each other.

Joe Rogan 2:06:48 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2:06:48 "Look at mine, man. It's bone white," and whatever. And Christian Bale starts sweating, and he gets, like, hoarse. And he's like, "It's very, it's nice. It's nice." [laughs] He's-

Joe Rogan 2:06:58 Yeah

Speaker 2:06:58 ... because it's this fucking pissing contest for who has the best business card.

Joe Rogan 2:07:02 And he's so upset that he doesn't have the best business card-

Speaker 2:07:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:07:05 ... that he wants to kill that guy.

Speaker 2:07:06 Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:07:07 [laughs]

Speaker 2:07:07 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 2:07:11 I'm w- I'm listening to this podcast about Luigi, the, the guy who murdered the, uh-

Speaker 2:07:16 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:07:16 ... healthcare executive. It's a very, very interesting, uh, podcast. Um, you know, it details how they caught him, the whole deal. But one of the things they brought up is one of the first things they thought of after that guy got assassinated was, was probably somebody he worked with.

Speaker 2:07:32 Really?

Joe Rogan 2:07:32 Yeah. They, they had to find out whether or not someone had some sort of a grudge, someone got recently fired.

Speaker 2:07:39 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:07:39 When... You know, 'cause when people get murdered like that, you oftentimes think it could be a coworker.

Speaker 2:07:45 I, I have a q-

Joe Rogan 2:07:46 Or a former coworker

Speaker 2:07:47 ... I have a question for you about Luigi. I'm glad you brought it up. I, I'm so sorry, I have to pee really bad. Uh-

Joe Rogan 2:07:53 Why don't you go pee really bad?

Speaker 2:07:54 I'm gonna pee really fast.

Joe Rogan 2:07:55 Be right back.

Speaker 2:07:56 I'll be fast.

Joe Rogan 2:07:56 Question, question about Luigi.

Speaker 2:07:59 It'll... My fucking manager does it. It's, everybody does it

Joe Rogan 2:08:02 Yeah

Speaker 2:08:02 It's really fucking annoying.

Joe Rogan 2:08:03 Sorry, Joe.

Speaker 2:08:04 I know.

Joe Rogan 2:08:04 Is it more annoying than boiling your own coffee more?

Speaker 2:08:06 [laughs] No, not, no, nothing's more annoying than that. The um-

Joe Rogan 2:08:10 Turning on the stove-

Speaker 2:08:11 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:08:12 ... filling the pot. Oh. When does it end?

Speaker 2:08:16 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:08:17 When does it end? What were we... J- or Luigi

Speaker 2:08:20 Luigi

Joe Rogan 2:08:20 ... Luigi.

Speaker 2:08:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:08:21 Yeah.

Speaker 2:08:21 This is what I wanted to ask you, because there were-

Joe Rogan 2:08:23 Jamie has a theory

Speaker 2:08:24 Well, I'm not, you know- Well, there were all the- Publicly.

Joe Rogan 2:08:26 Okay, not publicly.

Speaker 2:08:27 [laughs] There were all the people-

Joe Rogan 2:08:28 [laughs]

Speaker 2:08:30 You know, that Luigi sparked that whole debate about justified violence or whatever, which I thought was bullshit. Um, but everybody that was rah-rahing Luigi going, "He's a hero," and, "How many people has this healthcare guy killed?" and all that bullshit. I wonder now what everybody's saying about the fact that Luigi is doing the insanity plea, and it's like, well, he didn't really stick to his fucking... I mean, if that's was his thing and he was gonna be the big crusader, for him to now go-

Joe Rogan 2:08:56 Yeah, but he's just playing the legal system. I mean, h- that's the smart move, play the insanity.

Speaker 2:09:02 Well, it's the smart move if you're not-

Joe Rogan 2:09:04 It also might be accurate

Speaker 2:09:06 ... but also, is it the smart move if you're trying to... I know it's the smart move. I'm saying if you're gonna go out there and go, "I did this because it was justice," and whatever-

Joe Rogan 2:09:15 Mm-hmm

Speaker 2:09:15 ... and then go, "Oh, wait, actually, actually I was a little crazy."

Joe Rogan 2:09:17 Well, here's, but here's the point. If you did shoot a man who had nothing to do with you because you thought it was justice 'cause he was a healthcare executive.

Speaker 2:09:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:09:26 I don't know how he picked that guy. I don't know the details of what that guy has done.

Speaker 2:09:30 He w-

Joe Rogan 2:09:30 Was he particularly bad-

Speaker 2:09:32 He was-

Joe Rogan 2:09:32 ... the guy he killed?

Speaker 2:09:33 I think he was a CEO. No? He was, he was... It was, it was definitely targeted that this man is, this man is responsible for decisions made that killed people.

Joe Rogan 2:09:41 Was he the CEO, Jamie?

Speaker 2:09:43 Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:09:45 Of UnitedHealthcare? Is that what he was?

Speaker 2:09:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:09:47 So, um, if you think that you should go murder somebody like that, that you sh- you're probably mentally ill.

Speaker 2:09:56 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:09:56 If you think that that, that kind of violence is justified. The problem that a lot of young people are having right now, and a lot of people that agree with, you know, what Luigi did, and they celebrated it, is because everyone knows that the system is rigged and no one is doing anything to change it.

Speaker 2:10:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:10:15 And this is what drives people fucking crazy. If you get health insurance and their whole business model is to deny as many claims as possible, even if they know that your claims are justified-

Speaker 2:10:27 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:10:27 ... because they wanna make money. So they're really in the making money business, and they're pretending they're in the we're gonna take care of you and give you insurance business.

Speaker 2:10:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:10:37 So they're not really in that business.

Speaker 2:10:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:10:39 They're in the business of making the most amount of money. If they can fuck 10% of the people over or 20% of the people over, that's 20% more money.

Speaker 2:10:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:10:47 And that's how they look at it, and that drives everyone nuts, and rightly so.

Speaker 2:10:51 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 2:10:51 And if they don't fucking correct that, people don't have a whole lot of options-

Speaker 2:10:57 I agree

Joe Rogan 2:10:58 ... as to how to lash out and how to get back. And especially if, like, let's say it's your wife. Let's say your wife gets injured or, or gets a disease or something, and they can treat her, and they deny the claim. Or maybe she needs a surgery, some crazy surgery-

Speaker 2:11:14 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:11:14 ... and they deny the claim, and it bankrupts you and, and she dies.

Speaker 2:11:18 Horrible.

Joe Rogan 2:11:18 You wanna murder somebody, and, and it makes sense because you're-

Speaker 2:11:21 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:11:21 ... paying for this fucking insurance all this time thinking that you're insured if something goes wrong. That's the whole reason why you give them money.

Speaker 2:11:27 I agree.

Joe Rogan 2:11:27 You don't give them money for freebies.

Speaker 2:11:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:29 It's not f- it's not for no reason.

Speaker 2:11:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:31 It's not 'cause you, you like them.

Speaker 2:11:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:32 You want UnitedHealthcare to have a yacht.

Speaker 2:11:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:34 No. You, you give them the money because it's supposed to be an agreement.

Speaker 2:11:38 I agree with that completely. I have no beef with the concept behind h- his, his motivations for hatred of, of a healthcare CEO. I have no problem with that. My question is, is it sh- is it, does it take away from d- does it take away from the people that were rah-rahing him for him to now go, "Oh, I was just crazy. Sorry."

Joe Rogan 2:12:01 No, I don't think it does.

Speaker 2:12:02 Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:12:03 I don't think it does.

Speaker 2:12:03 No.

Joe Rogan 2:12:04 He's, he's trying to not go to jail, and a lot of those people think he shouldn't go to jail.

Speaker 2:12:07 That's interesting. Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:12:08 I, I think he should go to jail. I don't think you should be able to be w- walking up to people on the fucking street and murdering them.

Speaker 2:12:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:12:13 But I can understand where your anger comes from.

Speaker 2:12:16 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:12:16 I get it.

Speaker 2:12:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12:17 I really do.

Speaker 2:12:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12:18 And, and there's a, there's a thing about capitalism, right? There's a thing about corporations in particular that are... You're, you're beholden to your shareholders. You have to make more money every quarter. That alone, that motivation alone, it motivates sociopathic behavior. The people that are gonna be the most successful are the o- ones who are gonna be the most ruthless, and they're gonna squeeze the most money possible-

Speaker 2:12:46 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 2:12:46 ... without k- without crushing the company's reputation, and that's their goal. And in the healthcare market, the problem is, like, what are your options? There's no one amazing option where they-

Speaker 2:12:57 Mm

Joe Rogan 2:12:57 ... always take care of everybody, and they're real, the, they're... It's ethical capitalism.

Speaker 2:13:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:13:01 They're just trying to, "Look, we make plenty of money giving people real insurance and really taking care of them and really paying for... And so let's make less money, but let's make everybody healthier." Nobody does that.

Speaker 2:13:12 No.

Joe Rogan 2:13:12 Nobody.

Speaker 2:13:13 No.

Joe Rogan 2:13:13 So your options, if you have to get insurance, are very limited. You're just giving money to psychos. So which psycho gets my money? Which psycho that doesn't give a fuck about me or my family or anybody that I love if they get hurt or, or s- sick?

Speaker 2:13:27 Dude, every year, every year that I don't do a writing gig on a TV show, which is not every year. I don't do it frequently. I do it sometimes. But every year I don't do a writing gig on a TV show, or I don't act enough to clear SAG insurance, I have to make a decision. Is this worth $600 a month for fucking health insurance? Is it? I don't know. I don't know that it is, especially now with-

Joe Rogan 2:13:55 Just imagine how angry you would be if you paid all that money-

Speaker 2:13:58 Right

Joe Rogan 2:13:58 ... and then you broke your ankle or something like that and they denied you.

Speaker 2:14:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14:01 You're like, "What?"

Speaker 2:14:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14:03 And this is why people cheer about this Luigi guy. There are a ton of stories of people who had treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage. They had surgeries that could've been done to save them. They were denied coverage.

Speaker 2:14:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14:19 There's a ton of stories like that.

Speaker 2:14:21 It's a dirty fucking game. It's a dirty fucking game.

Joe Rogan 2:14:23 It's a dirty game, and it's not, it's not the game they're pretending it is. They're pretending the game is we're gonna help care, take care of you. You're gonna have a safety net. So you pay a little bit of money, and hopefully nothing happens. You never need us. And that's our gamble.

Speaker 2:14:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:14:36 Our gamble is if you do need us, you're gonna get more value out of it than you put into it.

Speaker 2:14:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14:42 And they don't want that.

Speaker 2:14:43 Health insurance has become like the, uh, the protection plan at Best Buy when you buy a TV. "You want the two-year protection plan in case any-" "No. I don't fucking ... No, 'cause ... No. I'm-"

Joe Rogan 2:14:55 Well, some places have a good protection plan, though. They just give you a new TV.

Speaker 2:14:59 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:14:59 Healthcare's not even that. It's not even that.

Speaker 2:15:02 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:15:03 It's worse.

Speaker 2:15:04 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:15:04 It's worse than Best Buy.

Speaker 2:15:05 [laughs] I don't know why that made me laugh. You just went, "Well, some places have a good protection plan, though." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:15:11 They do. Some places, you just bring them the computer, they give you a brand-new one. This thing sucks. It broke.

Speaker 2:15:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:15 They go, "Okay, hold on."

Speaker 2:15:17 I-

Joe Rogan 2:15:17 "File out this f- fill out this form. We'll go get you, get you another one."

Speaker 2:15:20 Every time I've tried to utilize it, I bring it in, and they go, "Oh, well, actually."

Joe Rogan 2:15:25 Oh, really?

Speaker 2:15:25 "Yeah, this doesn't ... Yeah. The screen's cracked. That's not really part of it." You know?

Joe Rogan 2:15:29 Well, you probably broke it.

Speaker 2:15:29 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 2:15:30 You probably did something stupid.

Speaker 2:15:32 They make it s-

Joe Rogan 2:15:32 What'd you do? It's probably your fault.

Speaker 2:15:33 They make it s-

Joe Rogan 2:15:34 [laughs]

Speaker 2:15:34 I probably threw it across the room in a fit of rage 'cause I had to boil water in the morning. Uh, but, you know, it's, it's, um, it's, it's, it's a dire s- you know, when, when, when the Neiman's Mar- when the Neiman Marcus gang thing was happening, where these kids were running into Neiman Marcus and stealing shit, which again, I don't think is, is an okay thing to do. But, you know, like, my mom, I remember, was being like, "Can you believe these kids are..." I go, "Mom, they just told an entire generation of p- kids they'll never own land."

Joe Rogan 2:16:02 Right.

Speaker 2:16:03 They've- they're fucking hopeless.

Joe Rogan 2:16:05 Yeah.

Speaker 2:16:05 They're hopeless. Like, what do you ... What ... Where does your head even go? Where does your ... I have a ... I- in, in my act, I just, I have a line. It's, it's, it's not even a joke. I just go, "Where are the Gen Zs?" And they clap, and I go, "You'll never own land." And it gets a huge laugh because it's so true.

Joe Rogan 2:16:22 Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2:16:22 And it's like f- it's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 2:16:24 And then they hear that private equity companies are buying up houses so they c- could lease them out, and so they'll-

Speaker 2:16:30 Ugh

Joe Rogan 2:16:30 ... own all the houses. [laughs] Like, fucking what?

Speaker 2:16:33 And the parking lots.

Joe Rogan 2:16:34 Yeah.

Speaker 2:16:35 They're buying up all the fucking parking lots.

Joe Rogan 2:16:36 Yeah.

Speaker 2:16:36 You can't park anywhere for free or for cheap.

Joe Rogan 2:16:39 Ugh.

Speaker 2:16:40 You know? It's fucking crazy, man. It's ... It ... We, we are living in a rent to live culture anymore.

Joe Rogan 2:16:47 Well, it's-

Speaker 2:16:48 And it's really fucked up

Joe Rogan 2:16:48 ... just about, it's, again, what we were talking about, about maximizing the amount of money you could squeeze out of people, and that's their business. And it doesn't have to be like that, but it does have to be like that if you're public. It's almost like we're better off with a bunch of private corporations. And if you're private, you can do whatever you want. Like, there's private cor- like, look, you could decide, I'm gonna do, you know, I'm gonna give X amount of my profits to this. I'm gonna give the, uh, Y to that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do whatever I want, 'cause it's my money.

Speaker 2:17:16 [clears throat]

Joe Rogan 2:17:16 But as soon as you have shareholders, as soon as you, you take that IPO money-

Speaker 2:17:22 Yes

Joe Rogan 2:17:22 ... ooh, baby, that's a big windfall, though. You got all this money, all this stock. All this capital's been invested in your business. Your business is gonna grow, and the business does grow, so do your fucking problems.

Speaker 2:17:31 Yes. They've ruined e- shareholders have ruined ... And I'm not saying shareholders inherently are evil, but sh- the board of directors and shareholders and all that shit, they have ruined everything. They've ruined everything. It's like everybody goes, "Why do the last three Star Wars movies suck?" Kathleen Kennedy came out and said, "We were met with demands by the shareholders to rush the fucking sequels out, and we couldn't make the movies we wanted to make."

Joe Rogan 2:17:55 Ugh.

Speaker 2:17:55 So that's, that's how-

Joe Rogan 2:17:56 Can you imagine if they did that to Jim Cameron?

Speaker 2:17:58 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:17:59 You can't do that.

Speaker 2:18:00 Fucking s-

Joe Rogan 2:18:01 [laughs] You can't rush that guy.

Speaker 2:18:03 I-

Joe Rogan 2:18:03 Imagine if you rushed Avatar.

Speaker 2:18:05 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:18:06 Fuck you.

Speaker 2:18:08 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:18:08 Fuck you. That movie takes that forever to make. That's why it's awesome. There's, there's certain things that you can't do just for money, and healthcare should be one of them. It should be one of them.

Speaker 2:18:19 Well, you know what? And I don't say this, uh, to ball wash you in any way, but you just said it 10 minutes ago about the club. And for all the criticisms that people can level at you, whatever the fuck they wanna say, whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:18:35 [laughs]

Speaker 2:18:35 It's like, hey, man, here's a guy I know that has a lot of money, that started something that helps other people in the industry he works in, and said, "I'm not worried about making money. I'm worried about breaking even, and I want the people that I'm working at my club to benefit." You actually did it. You actually did the thing that we're complaining that other people don't do. You actually did the thing where you said, "I am not going to try to turn massive profits off of this club. What I'm gonna try to do is create an environment where people can make what they deserve to make." That's fucking pretty awesome and pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:19:10 Well, the thing is y- anybody can do that that's successful already.

Speaker 2:19:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:14 You could all, you could all choose to run a business that way, and a lot of people do. I'm not n- unique in that way. There's a lot of, like, really ethical, like, moral, h- happy people.

Speaker 2:19:23 Sure.

Joe Rogan 2:19:23 And you make a happier environment, too.

Speaker 2:19:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:19:25 That's the other thing. Like, the environment in the club is very happy.

Speaker 2:19:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:28 Everybody gets paid really well. Everybody's ha- making money. The waitresses, waiters are all making money. Everybody's happy.

Speaker 2:19:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:34 That's beautiful. You go to a place where people are happy to be there. That's, that's what you want. You don't wanna go to a place where you're making maximum profits and everybody is in hell, and that's a lot of people that work in corporations, right?

Speaker 2:19:46 Mm.

Joe Rogan 2:19:46 You're, you're working way more hours than you should. You never see your kids. You're constantly fucking stressed out. Your cortisol's through the roof. You're about to have a fucking heart attack, but you bought a house in the Hamptons.

Speaker 2:19:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:58 Look at that. I got a $15 million house overlooking the bay.

Speaker 2:20:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:20:02 How about that?

Speaker 2:20:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:20:03 You fucking win. I got the new Ferrari. You wanna see it?

Speaker 2:20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:07 And meanwhile, you're dying.

Speaker 2:20:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:08 Right? But that's n- that's the environment of just chasing money. I think you can make plenty of money. I mean, obviously I'm in an unusual situation, but I think most business owners that do well Once you're doing well, what is enough? Like, it's en- it's make it, just make it better for everybody.

Speaker 2:20:29 I-

Joe Rogan 2:20:29 What's enough? What's enough money? What's enough, you know, if you're running a corporation, is it really good to cut back on the ingredients and fuck people over? Like I was seeing this thing about powdered sugar. Some guy went to a grocery store, and he took all these bags of two-pound bags of powdered sugar-

Speaker 2:20:46 Mm

Joe Rogan 2:20:46 ... and he weighed them. They're like 1.3 pounds, 1.2 pounds-

Speaker 2:20:51 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 2:20:51 ... 1.27.

Speaker 2:20:52 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:20:52 They're just fucking you.

Speaker 2:20:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:20:54 You telling me that's not on purpose? Y- your machines are so off-

Speaker 2:20:58 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:20:58 ... that it doesn't know what two pounds are?

Speaker 2:21:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:01 But this is this mentality of just squeeze the most.

Speaker 2:21:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:05 Squeeze the most.

Speaker 2:21:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:07 I don't think you have to do that. I think if your business is successful, just, it should be g- Like, you're good. You're good. Let's, like, keep it, keep the ball rolling.

Speaker 2:21:16 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:21:16 Keep it g- Don't try to just keep m- making the most money possible every quarter, and that's what they do in corporations, 'cause they have to. If you don't, you're a bad CEO. You'll get kicked out.

Speaker 2:21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:28 Like, "Hey, good news, guys. We made the same amount of money this month as we did last month." Like, what?

Speaker 2:21:34 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:21:34 This guy sucks.

Speaker 2:21:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:35 This guy fucking sucks. Where's my return?

Speaker 2:21:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:38 You know? I'll be, fucking, we're gonna vote him out.

Speaker 2:21:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:21:40 And then you got a board meeting together, and people complaining, and-

Speaker 2:21:43 Yeah. Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:21:44 ... you have to do that. That's their job.

Speaker 2:21:46 Yeah. Ideally, what should happen is you say, "Hey, guys, we made more money this month than we did last month, but the reason we made more money is because we made a better product that brought in even more customers, and it was beneficial to everybody."

Joe Rogan 2:22:01 Right.

Speaker 2:22:01 And it's not that. It's-

Joe Rogan 2:22:02 Not, we squeezed the same amount of customers out of more money.

Speaker 2:22:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:22:07 Yeah.

Speaker 2:22:07 It's the fucking potato chip thing.

Joe Rogan 2:22:09 Well, it's the other thing. You, you know this avocado oil scandal that's going on right now?

Speaker 2:22:13 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:22:13 So all these people that are buying things made with avocado oil that, that think, "Oh, this is gonna be super healthy." Turns out a lot of these corporations are fucking you over, and they're using seed oils, and fucking safflower oil, and rapeseed oil, all these different oils, and they're pretending that it's-

Speaker 2:22:32 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:22:32 ... it's coconut, or it's, uh, avocado oil.

Speaker 2:22:34 I watched a thing about food where they talked about ... By the way, what I meant by the potato chip thing was when you ... We were just talking about this in the lobby before we started recording. When you buy a bag of potato chips now, and it's half full, and it's all air.

Joe Rogan 2:22:49 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2:22:49 And of course, the excuse is, "Well, no, that's so it protects your chips, and just-"

Joe Rogan 2:22:54 Fuck off.

Speaker 2:22:54 Get the fuck out of here.

Joe Rogan 2:22:55 Fuck off.

Speaker 2:22:55 Bullshit.

Joe Rogan 2:22:56 Protecting my chips.

Speaker 2:22:57 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:22:57 Don't crush the chips, you fucking idiot. [laughs]

Speaker 2:23:01 Yeah. Maybe pack the chips and ship them properly.

Joe Rogan 2:23:04 Ugh.

Speaker 2:23:04 No, no, we can't do that.

Joe Rogan 2:23:05 Have you ever had those Vandy Chips?

Speaker 2:23:07 No. What's Vandy Chips?

Joe Rogan 2:23:08 Oh, they're chips made with beef tallow.

Speaker 2:23:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:23:12 They're just cooked in beef tallow. It's just beef tallow, and salt, and potato chips. They're the best potato chips you've ever eaten in your fucking life.

Speaker 2:23:19 Where do you get them?

Joe Rogan 2:23:20 You can buy them online. I buy them online.

Speaker 2:23:22 Yeah. A lot of these-

Joe Rogan 2:23:23 They're so legit, dude. If I want potato chips, oh, they're so good. And you don't overeat them. It's crazy. Like, when it's real food, you eat enough.

Speaker 2:23:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:23:33 You know? Especially if they're, like, soaked in beef tallow. They're so rich and fat.

Speaker 2:23:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:23:38 It's actually probably good for you.

Speaker 2:23:39 Yeah. Yeah. I, that's, that's the thing. Most of these quality food products that we wanna buy and, and enjoy now, you have to buy them online. You can't get them in fucking stores and-

Joe Rogan 2:23:49 Well, you can get them in some stores.

Speaker 2:23:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 2:23:50 But the problem is they get bought out, you know? So say a company comes along, and you're making something that has, like, really healthy ingredients, and people really get into it, and then Pepsi buys you or something.

Speaker 2:24:00 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 2:24:00 Some, some fucking Kellogg's buys you, and they-

Speaker 2:24:03 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:24:03 ... they turn it into something that's just close enough. They change the ingredients, make it cheaper. Did, did that happen with ...