Joe Rogan Experience #2540 - Travis Barker

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Joe Rogan 0:12 What up? What's up? Ah, it's good to see you, brother.

Travis Barker 0:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's cracking?

Travis Barker 0:15 Good to be seen, man. Stoked to be here.

Joe Rogan 0:17 Uh, I'm stoked to have you, man.

Travis Barker 0:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:18 And what a fucking cute kid you have, dude. [laughs]

Travis Barker 0:20 Oh, thank you. Thank you. He's the best, man. I'm so blessed.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Well, he loves you.

Travis Barker 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:24 When you're trying to put him down, he's like, "No."

Travis Barker 0:27 I think it's 'cause I just spent... We just went to, uh, Utah, and I had three or five days with him, just like a lot of time-

Joe Rogan 0:34 Ah

Travis Barker 0:34 ... time with him, and he has separation anxiety from me. A- as I do with him. I'm like, "It's the best, man."

Joe Rogan 0:40 I know. People that don't have kids, it's like you don't understand the level of love that you have for them.

Travis Barker 0:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:46 It's, it's really crazy.

Travis Barker 0:47 Or people who have kids and don't hang out with their kids like that, I just, I don't get it. I don't-

Joe Rogan 0:53 I don't get it either.

Travis Barker 0:53 I'll spend every second I can with my kids.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah, it's weird. It's weird that people... Uh, uh, maybe it's something that happened to them when they were young or something. I don't know. But-

Travis Barker 1:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03 So what's cracking? What's, what's the latest?

Travis Barker 1:06 Uh, I mean, my doc came out today.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Today?

Travis Barker 1:09 So yeah. Yep. Long time coming.

Joe Rogan 1:13 What was that experience like?

Travis Barker 1:17 Well, the beginning of it was, was shortly after my book came out, so I kinda understood why people wanted a doc from me at that point. And, um, I was, I was honored, and I was flattered, and I was, you know, going down the journey of, of filming this doc, but it, it didn't really have an ending. Um, I guess the light at the end of the tunnel during that time, around 2017, was that I was sober and I survived a plane crash, but really, I was struggling with ever flying again, uh, struggling with survivor's guilt, struggling with a lot of stuff. Uh, and at the time, the directors had mentioned to me, like, "Can you just look at a plane or act like you're gonna go fly in a plane or walk towards a plane?" I was like, "Fuck no. I would never. I can't even consider it. I can't even do it for you for, for, like, fantasy purposes for the end of this doc," you know? Um, and I think that set in after a while, where I had to acknowledge and, and, and just understand I was, I was afraid to ever fly again. And, and this thing had huge power over me to the point where it, you know, it dictated how I got on tour, how many days I'd travel on bus to New York, how many days I'd be on the Queen Mary 2 going to England.

Joe Rogan 2:46 How long would that take?

Travis Barker 2:47 Oh, dude, so long. It-

Joe Rogan 2:48 The England one's crazy.

Travis Barker 2:50 Comfortably on the bus from here to New York, probably six or seven days if you wanna stop at hotels and at... You know, I toured with my kids, you know, their whole life, so stopping and doing some cool stuff for them, six, seven days, and then a 10-day boat ride from, from New York to the Hamptons.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Fuck.

Travis Barker 3:11 It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, my band would leave. They'd be in England in 10 hours, whatever. It would take me three weeks. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 3:19 [laughs]

Travis Barker 3:19 It sucked. And then sometimes I'd be on the Queen Mary 2, and we'd have wild weather, uh, 30-foot waves, 170 mile per hour winds, and I was like, "But is this any better than being on a plane?" But-

Joe Rogan 3:33 Do you... The ocean freaks me out.

Travis Barker 3:36 Yeah. It, it started to.

Joe Rogan 3:37 The big waves in particular, they freak me out.

Travis Barker 3:39 Yeah, we got into a couple storms-

Joe Rogan 3:41 Ugh

Travis Barker 3:42 ... on one of the transatlantic crossings that... Yeah, believe me. I, like, something was festering inside where I, I had this urge to, to, to try to figure out what had this power over me, which was flying, and, um, yeah, it-

Joe Rogan 3:58 Well, it's totally understandable.

Travis Barker 3:59 Yeah, I'd think about it every day a- after a certain point, and then... Plus my kids, you know, they grew up not flying. They, they grew up associating a plane, uh, to a, a metal container where people die, I think, you know, unfortunately-

Joe Rogan 4:13 [exhales]

Travis Barker 4:14 ... because that's what happened, you know, to m- my two best friends and the two pilots who were on my plane. Uh, so yeah, it was, it was, it was hard. And then I knew the day I did it, I could show them that they could also do it, and it would probably break the, the trauma and the spell that my, my accident caused however many years ago. And yeah, I, I think after my accident and that whole process, I just... Ev- everything people said I couldn't do, after that I would just check them off one by one. "Oh, you're not gonna run again. Oh, you're not gonna play the drums again. Oh, you're not, you're not gonna do this again." And, uh, and the one that I gave myself, the, the restriction I gave myself is I'd never fly again, you know? And I, I broke it, and I fly again, and-

Joe Rogan 5:00 How many years did it take you before you got on a plane again?

Travis Barker 5:02 20.

Joe Rogan 5:03 [exhales]

Travis Barker 5:04 And I even think back to that, I'm like, "20 years. I lost 20 years with this thing having power over me." But it just, it was like a monster. It kept getting bigger and bigger, and I was like, "I gotta-"

Joe Rogan 5:14 Well, you gotta look at it, like, in terms of the odds.

Travis Barker 5:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:18 You survived a plane crash, which is, the odds of that are astronomical. The odds of you getting in another plane crash are super low.

Travis Barker 5:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 I know nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite, because you've actually experienced it, so you know what it is. Like, "Oh my God, this is a real possibility."

Travis Barker 5:35 Yeah. I, I can see that now 'cause my, my, my son who's 22, he doesn't love to fly, and I always say, like... We just were in Utah, and I took a flight, you know. Uh, he ended up driving, and I was like, "Son, it, that's way more dangerous. Like, fly with me. I'm never gonna put you on a plane that I think is unsafe." I'm so adamant about making sure the pilot's great, the, the plane's had maintenance, whatever else.

Joe Rogan 6:01 How do you check all that stuff?

Travis Barker 6:02 Well, just if we're flying private, you're, you're able to, like- ... you know, really make sure it's a great plane. Uh, sometimes even we'll fly on, like, someone's plane that we know. So that makes me feel better, but yeah, he just, he just drove 16 hours round trip.

Joe Rogan 6:18 [laughs]

Travis Barker 6:18 I was like, "Son, that's way more dangerous."

Joe Rogan 6:21 It is. [laughs]

Travis Barker 6:22 Um, but yeah, that's what I tell myself, and I just gotta have faith and, um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:28 What was the first plane trip like after 20 years?

Travis Barker 6:34 It was nothing like I'd imagined it. Uh, I, I made a deal with my wife, and I just said, "Hey, if there's ever somewhere we can't go..." 'Cause she was a champ, man. She was, she was on tour buses with me. She was on w- whatever, just, you know, going kinda close by for trips that we'd go on. And I said, "If there's ever a trip that you want us to go on that I'd need to fly, just don't tell me and, uh, tell me the night before. And let's leave in the morning, and I'm gonna do it." So that's what it was, and the flight was awesome, had... contained none of the awful nightmares that I had fabricated in my head that it would be like, uh, over the years. And yeah, I, I think I just needed a positive experience to cancel out the, the last bad one that I had.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah.

Travis Barker 7:23 You know? Um, yeah, th- that helped a lot, and I think, I think also coming to terms with being so close to my godson, who was my assistant's son, who passed away in my plane crash, and, uh, and his mom and Che's mom, and just knowing, uh, that, that there was no, there was no hard feelings. And, and the survivor's guilt I was feeling was, was my own. And to just think about them, and if the roles were reversed, w- would, would they want me to really just sit around and not fly again or have this thing have power over me? Um, or if I was in their shoes, would I want that for them? Like, of course not.

Joe Rogan 8:09 Yeah. It's a, it's an experience that so few people ever have. I, I mean, I can't imagine what it's like, especially losing your friends.

Travis Barker 8:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:17 And just the, the trauma of the actual impact, the whole thing just stuck in your head.

Travis Barker 8:24 It's... Yeah. I mean, to this day, I always... Like, my wife's a great flyer. My band, they're all good flying, you know? I think they can... My wife can probably envision a trip, plan a trip, envision how rad it's gonna be, how cool it's gonna be doing rock climbing or whatever we're gonna do. All I can think about until I get there is like, "Am I gonna make it? Is, is this gonna... You know, I did this once, and I almost died." So, you know, I had, I had to just stop that pattern of thinking, uh, to the best of my ability. It still happens a little bit, but I still can't... I have trouble booking planes. I have trouble booking flights, um, without thinking of those things, you know?

Joe Rogan 9:05 Yeah, I can only imagine. Well, it's awesome that you got through it and got over it and did it publicly so that other people can get inspiration from that-

Travis Barker 9:15 Yeah

Joe Rogan 9:15 ... and, and just realize like, hey, may- you know, maybe for them it was a car accident or a bus acci- or whatever it is. Like, you can keep moving.

Travis Barker 9:23 Yeah, for sure. And I, uh, at the time, you know, AM, AM survived with me, and then he lived for another year and passed away of a drug overdose. But during that time where, after I'd gotten out of the burn center and did most of my recovery, it was hard to find anyone who had been in a plane crash that was severely burnt, like, you know, and lost people. There was a lot of, there was a lot of groups and a lot of people that, uh, like support systems for people who had, were grieving and lost someone in a plane crash, you know?

Joe Rogan 9:56 Yeah.

Travis Barker 9:56 So I, it was kind of, uh, just lonely trying to navigate, figure it out. Just recently, just like a few days ago, before my doc came out, I... someone kept tagging me, and I saw it, and it's this, this young lady named Reva. She had a similar experience where she was in a plane crash, 50% of her body was burnt, and she lost her mom in the plane crash. So I was like, "This is really similar to me, and I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind of the same experience." So I flew her out, and she was at my premiere, and it was just, it was just cool. And I said, uh, "You know, it's, it's just as cool for me to meet you as for you to meet me. Like, this is... I, I don't, I don't see anyone or meet anyone like you, you know?"

Joe Rogan 10:37 Yeah.

Travis Barker 10:38 So yeah. It's, it's cool.

Joe Rogan 10:40 That's a very cool human experience.

Travis Barker 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:42 You know, just share it with somebody and realize, like, you both been through something pretty horrible, but you came out on the other side and-

Travis Barker 10:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 10:51 ... found comfort in each other.

Travis Barker 10:53 I think the closest thing that I came to that was right after my accident, and I was out to dinner. The guy who flew the, the plane and landed in the river-

Joe Rogan 11:00 Uh-huh

Travis Barker 11:01 ... remember that?

Joe Rogan 11:01 Sully? Yeah.

Travis Barker 11:02 Yeah, he came up and shook my hand at dinner. Didn't say a word to me, but I was like-

Joe Rogan 11:05 Oh, wow

Travis Barker 11:05 ... "Oh, that's awesome," you know?

Joe Rogan 11:08 Yeah, that's-

Travis Barker 11:08 But-

Joe Rogan 11:08 That story's fucking crazy.

Travis Barker 11:10 Dude. Crazy.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Birds.

Travis Barker 11:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:13 Birds took the plane down.

Travis Barker 11:15 Yeah. That, that would-

Joe Rogan 11:16 You would think they would've figured that out by now.

Travis Barker 11:18 Yeah, the smallest error-

Joe Rogan 11:19 Yeah

Travis Barker 11:19 ... you know? It's insane.

Joe Rogan 11:23 Yeah. Um, flying's weird, but I prefer it over the boat.

Travis Barker 11:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:30 The boat thing in the, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean-

Travis Barker 11:30 You gotta do the boat once.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Fuck you. [laughs]

Travis Barker 11:32 Queen Mary 2's wild. There's a morgue on there, too.

Joe Rogan 11:35 What?

Travis Barker 11:35 Because, yeah, mo- most people that are on there are 80 years old, and they're doing their one transatlantic crossing.

Joe Rogan 11:40 And so some of them die?

Travis Barker 11:42 A lot of them.

Joe Rogan 11:43 Oh, boy.

Travis Barker 11:43 Uh, there's a lot of... I think every transatlantic crossing, 'cause I'm on there with my crew and my, my assistant and my tour manager. He's like, "Yep, someone passed," you know?

Joe Rogan 11:54 Wow.

Travis Barker 11:54 So.

Joe Rogan 11:55 A morgue on the boat.

Travis Barker 11:56 A morgue on the boat.

Joe Rogan 11:57 And it happens so often.

Travis Barker 11:57 It's a must. There's a morgue, a jail.

Joe Rogan 12:00 A jail?

Travis Barker 12:01 Yeah, there's a jail.

Joe Rogan 12:02 How many people are on the Queen Mary 2?

Travis Barker 12:04 Thousands.

Joe Rogan 12:05 Whoa.

Travis Barker 12:05 Yeah, I mean, if someone pops off on the boat, they gotta... You know, there's, there's police.

Joe Rogan 12:09 [laughs]

Travis Barker 12:09 It's legit. It's legit. Um-

Joe Rogan 12:12 Wow

Travis Barker 12:13 ... and the whole experience, they, they almost celebrate when you're crossing the Titanic- Where, where the Titanic sits. They're, they're, like, playing the movie on the ship.

Joe Rogan 12:23 [laughs]

Travis Barker 12:23 They're announcing it. [laughs] I was like, "This is, this is just different." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:29 Fuck that.

Travis Barker 12:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Oh, my God.

Travis Barker 12:32 But it, it wa- Honestly, I would, I would practice all day. I would practice all day. I would run miles across the ship, just on the outside of the ship. There was a lot of cool, cool, uh, times on the boat as well.

Joe Rogan 12:47 Well, I'm sure. I'm sure.

Travis Barker 12:48 You know, you usually fly to tour, you land. That's what I do now, and it's like, go. Where I would just train every day, play drums four hours a day, run two hours a day. By the time I got ready f- you know, to where I was going, I'm like, "I'm so ready for tour." It's like, whatever, whatever life throws at me, I'm good.

Joe Rogan 13:07 It's just crazy that even the Queen Mary 2 getting across in 10 days, that's gotta be, like, way fa- faster than the old boats used to do it, right?

Travis Barker 13:15 I don't know. Dude, you're going so slow. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 13:17 [laughs]

Travis Barker 13:18 It doesn't even look like you're moving sometimes. You're like, "Are you serious?" You don't see shit for 10 days.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Just water.

Travis Barker 13:25 Mm-mm. Once in a while you'll start seeing birds when you know you're getting close to land, but other than that, nothing.

Joe Rogan 13:32 How many times have you done that trip?

Travis Barker 13:33 Seven.

Joe Rogan 13:34 [laughs]

Travis Barker 13:35 Yeah. [laughs] Yep.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Oh, yeah, I think I'd rather fly, for sure. I'd... Just the idea of something going wrong in the middle of the ocean.

Travis Barker 13:45 Yeah. I, I started to think about it. You're fucked.

Joe Rogan 13:48 Yeah, you're fucked.

Travis Barker 13:49 There's no place to land a helicopter on there. There's nothing.

Joe Rogan 13:51 How can someone even get to you? It's the middle of the, it's thousands of miles out to sea.

Travis Barker 13:55 Yeah. Both suck to me, right? Falling out of the sky in a plane, crashing into the ocean sucks. Also, being, sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people, fending for their lives sucks.

Joe Rogan 14:07 I've just watched too many boat videos of, like, them navigating insane waves that look like, like a building coming at them.

Travis Barker 14:15 Dude, I was in it. I-

Joe Rogan 14:16 Yeah?

Travis Barker 14:17 Yeah, we were in it. It cra- I think, I think we had, we lost a couple windows on, in the ship, and, and you're basically confined to your room, but huge, where you just see the boat go up, and then it'd go crashing down, and you're, you know, you're four or five days into the trip, so you still got, you're in the middle of your crossing.

Joe Rogan 14:36 What does that feel like?

Travis Barker 14:38 Sucks.

Joe Rogan 14:38 You're on a giant boat with thousands of people.

Travis Barker 14:41 Sucks. The internet goes out usually on the boat, and you're just watching something in your room, just waiting for everything to get more calm. So-

Joe Rogan 14:50 How big were these waves?

Travis Barker 14:52 I think we were in 35-foot waves.

Joe Rogan 14:54 Oh. [laughs]

Travis Barker 14:56 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 14:57 Like this?

Travis Barker 14:57 Yes, exact- it looks exactly like that.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yeah. This freaks me out, man.

Travis Barker 15:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:03 It's like some, when they... This is not that bad. Oh, look how much the boat's moving. Now this is- Yeah ... the hurricane force winds, it says.

Travis Barker 15:10 Yeah, that's, like, choppy weather. I mean, there's positives, too. We saw the northern lights from our cruise one time.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Wow.

Travis Barker 15:17 And it was like, I've never seen it anywhere else, but it was beautiful. It was cool.

Joe Rogan 15:22 I mean... Yeah, I wanna make a trip to somewhere like Norway or wherever you can see it. Like, this- It's not like this. Yeah, this is insane.

Travis Barker 15:29 Oh. Yeah. I almost did that one time. I almost went on a, a, not a passenger ship, but a, a cargo ship, because I was trying to find ways to get to Australia.

Joe Rogan 15:40 [laughs]

Travis Barker 15:42 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 15:43 You were gonna go to Australia by boat?

Travis Barker 15:44 You know who told me about it? You know who else-

Joe Rogan 15:45 No

Travis Barker 15:45 ... doesn't fly and was on the Queen Mary twice with me? Was KRS One.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Really?

Travis Barker 15:51 Yep. And he, we, he was like, "Um, I'm right there with you, Trav." And I was like, "Did something, you know, happen to you? Or why you're, you're just confined to being on ships?" And he's like, "Nah, I just don't like flying." So him and his family, actually, he had told me about the cargo ship, uh, for some of the other places that didn't have actual cruises.

Joe Rogan 16:11 How long is a boat ride to Australia?

Travis Barker 16:13 Dude, month. I think it's a month.

Joe Rogan 16:15 [laughs]

Travis Barker 16:17 I mean, I never went. I never went. The plane flight is hard enough, 20-something hours or whatever it is, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:22 Yeah. Fuck that.

Travis Barker 16:24 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Fuck a month.

Travis Barker 16:26 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 16:27 It just makes you really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people that just took off on canoes and made it across the ocean.

Travis Barker 16:38 Yeah, or those-

Joe Rogan 16:38 I mean, the people-

Travis Barker 16:38 ... wild-ass people that do it by themselves just-

Joe Rogan 16:40 Oh, yeah

Travis Barker 16:40 ... here to Hawaii.

Joe Rogan 16:42 Yeah, there's a lot of those people, yeah. Yeah, I know a dude who just did that. But that's, I mean, the, the people back when there was no internet, back when there was no newspapers or no nothing, like the, the Polynesian people-

Travis Barker 16:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 16:55 ... that just got on boats and made it to Hawaii.

Travis Barker 16:58 Insane. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Like, did you have... What did, what was plan B?

Travis Barker 17:05 Yeah. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 17:05 What, what, you know, what do you do if you're out... How, where are you getting water? How are you, how are you staying alive?

Travis Barker 17:10 Yeah, I think plan B is making plan A work. That's the-

Joe Rogan 17:13 Yeah, that's it

Travis Barker 17:14 ... the plan B.

Joe Rogan 17:14 There is no plan.

Travis Barker 17:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:15 But how bad does life suck that you're willing to get in a boat and just hope there's some food-

Travis Barker 17:22 Yeah

Joe Rogan 17:22 ... when you land? And they didn't have big boats, either.

Travis Barker 17:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:27 So what, what the fuck were the waves like for them? Also, no, no weather app on the iPhone. [laughs]

Travis Barker 17:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:33 Like, what... You have no idea what's coming.

Travis Barker 17:35 True.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Zero idea what's waiting for you, and, you know, you're with your family, and you're paddling out there.

Travis Barker 17:42 Yeah. It's the un- the unknown. Absolute unknown.

Joe Rogan 17:46 And then how do you get back? Or do you? Or do you just say, "Well, this is where we are"? I mean, it must have taken months and months and months-

Travis Barker 17:52 Yeah

Joe Rogan 17:52 ... to get out there. And how do they stay alive? Like, human ingenuity, like, people's ability to thrive and survive is pretty insane when pushed to the limits.

Travis Barker 18:03 Yeah. Like, people, uh, I have a friend who, who fasts half of the year. He's just drinking juice and water.

Joe Rogan 18:11 For six months?

Travis Barker 18:12 160 days a year. He does it every year.

Joe Rogan 18:15 How?

Travis Barker 18:17 He's, he's Chef Ito. [laughs] He's ex-

Joe Rogan 18:20 How much weight does he lose?

Travis Barker 18:20 He's a chef, uh, he's actually a, a chef that took a vow of silence 30 years ago ... a, a plant-based raw chef, and for half of the year he doesn't eat. He just fasts. And it's more for, like, health reasons, like cleansing and, and to prevent disease, whatever else. Um, but he gets really thin, and then just goes back to his normal weight the second half of the year.

Joe Rogan 18:48 I don't know if that's good.

Travis Barker 18:49 I don't know either. [laughs] But, uh-

Joe Rogan 18:51 Who told him that's good?

Travis Barker 18:51 He does it, he does it every year.

Joe Rogan 18:53 [laughs]

Travis Barker 18:53 He might not even m- m- he might, it might not even be good or so- he just does these things, you know?

Joe Rogan 18:59 Yeah, I don't think it is

Travis Barker 18:59 ... half of the year, fasting.

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Travis Barker 19:59 But-

Joe Rogan 20:00 I can't imagine that just eating nothing but juice for six months is good for you.

Travis Barker 20:05 Yeah. I have a hard enough time fasting a day before surgery or something, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:10 Well, it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's eating a lot of carbohydrates or not.

Travis Barker 20:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:15 If you're on a ketogenic diet, it's a lot easier. Your body just immediately goes to burning fat, and your, your appetite is not as strong. It's not as, as insane a pull, the gravity of it. But I, I can't even imagine why you would do that. S- fast for six months. Like, I think there's a lot of data that shows that fasting for three days and five days and things along those lines is good.

Travis Barker 20:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 Causes autophagy, makes your body clean out bad cells. It's very good for people that are recovering from cancer or going through cancer. It's one of the first things a lot of doctors tell you, "Get on a ketogenic diet and fast," because cancer cells want glucose. That's what they want to survive, and you starve them.

Travis Barker 20:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:59 And when your body's, like, on a carbo- y- you're still on a plant-based diet-

Travis Barker 21:03 Mm-hmm

Joe Rogan 21:03 ... so your body's eating mostly carbohydrates all the time, so you get, you have to kinda refuel all the time. It gets used to it. So when someone like you takes a day off of food, it's like the pull of the carbohydrates, like the insulin dump, it's a lot.

Travis Barker 21:18 Yeah. I mean, I eat so much protein, though. I get so much protein from lentils, like an insane amount of protein-

Joe Rogan 21:24 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 21:24 ... from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not, like, mock meats.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 21:29 So, like, all, all my blood work that I do, my protein is top-notch.

Joe Rogan 21:36 Well, that's awesome.

Travis Barker 21:36 You know? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:37 You, well, you can do it.

Travis Barker 21:38 I've just, I figured it out, though, too.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Yeah. Right.

Travis Barker 21:39 Like, there's a lotta, I mean, there's a lotta junk food meat eaters, a lotta junk food vegans. Uh, it's about dialing your shit in.

Joe Rogan 21:47 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 21:47 You know what I mean? And figuring it out.

Joe Rogan 21:49 But even you, when you were recovering from your burns, you started eating meat.

Travis Barker 21:53 Well, because I had doctors that were super old-school in the, in the, in the hospital with me-

Joe Rogan 21:59 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 21:59 ... that figured out I wasn't eating because they were trying to feed me a bunch of meat, and they stuck a hose down my throat, and that just sucked, so.

Joe Rogan 22:10 They stuck a hose down your throat?

Travis Barker 22:11 Mm-hmm, to, like, feed you like that because I was, like, secretly just eating kinda, like, what I wanted, but not eating a bunch of the meat because I told them, "Hey, I, I don't, I don't really eat meat." Um, so there was, like, a miscommunication where they just put a h- a hose down my throat and were, were feeding me like that. And then during that time, my, my, uh, one of my nurses was super cool, and he started making me bags of beef jerky. So I would eat beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that they wanted me to have, and then down a Peanut Butter Blast smoothie from, what is that? Is it Roebucks or something like that? Like, one of those, and it's 3,000 calories. So I was, I was averaging... I, I basically, I had a s- I had a 6 to 7,000 calorie diet I needed to hit every day-

Joe Rogan 22:59 Wow

Travis Barker 23:00 ... uh, in order to heal 'cause I, I had just had 30 surgeries in six months.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Psh.

Travis Barker 23:06 So it was just, just trying to, to get enough.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Just, just 30 times being anesthetized for six months is fucking hard on your body.

Travis Barker 23:15 Yeah. It was... Uh, I was so out of it, I didn't really know until towards the end, you know? But, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Jeez, man. Did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber?

Travis Barker 23:33 I couldn't do it. After, you know, my, my, my, uh, my best friend that was in the, the accident with me, AM, he was, he was a, I think 6% of his body was burnt, and he went in the hyperbaric, and I think he had a l- a small graft on the back of his head. He was out of the hospital in a week and a half. Uh, but I had 70% of my body burnt, so there was no way I was getting out of the hospital, no matter how much I did it or didn't do it. I tried doing it, and I was just in such a awful place after my, my accident where I was, I had so much trauma, uh, with, like, losing my, my best friends, and I was, I was definitely, uh, my reaction was much different than, than, uh, Adam's. Uh, and I couldn't, I couldn't go in the small tube. There's, there was no way. I think at the time it reminded me too much of the inside of the plane.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Really?

Travis Barker 24:32 Yeah. I just felt really claustrophobic and, and I was also having a hell of a time s- uh, AM was sober, sober for 15 years when it happened. I was, I was a drug addict, you know, before my plane crash. And you take a, a person who's self-medicating, put him through 30 surgeries, give him a bunch of pain meds, and they're not working.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Mm.

Travis Barker 24:55 That was me. So I was waking up every surgery screaming, swinging on doctors-

Joe Rogan 25:01 Oh, Jesus Christ

Travis Barker 25:02 ... a complete madman, you know? Um.

Joe Rogan 25:05 [sighs]

Travis Barker 25:05 Until, until they weaned me off and by the, by the time I got out of there, I was... I never wanted to put anything in my body again. And, uh, had a great relationship with all my doctors and Dr. Grossman, who owns the burn center, the Grossman Burn Center. It was, uh, yeah, it was full circle.

Joe Rogan 25:27 But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs.

Travis Barker 25:31 Yeah, that was my, that was my, that was my rehab.

Joe Rogan 25:34 Wow.

Travis Barker 25:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Fuck, dude. That has to be... I mean, you're confined to a bed, you're stuck, they're giving you pain medications, you're going through 30 surgeries, you have 70% of your body burnt, your friends just died, and you're in this hospital by yourself.

Travis Barker 25:52 Huge wake-up call.

Joe Rogan 25:53 What a fucking-

Travis Barker 25:55 You know?

Joe Rogan 25:55 What a wild ride your mind must have been going through.

Travis Barker 25:59 Yeah. It's, uh... You know, I was coming home from a show. I was coming home from a gig, and yeah, who, who would think you'd get in, get in a plane coming home from a show and you're gonna end up in a burn center for six months, you know, four people are gone, and 70% of your body's burnt. It takes a minute to process, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:25 Why did they think you were never gonna be able to play the drums again?

Travis Barker 26:29 Well-

Joe Rogan 26:30 There's-

Travis Barker 26:30 ... there was a point where they were gonna amputate my foot-

Joe Rogan 26:32 [sighs]

Travis Barker 26:32 ... 'cause they didn't think they could, they could, uh, they, they had enough skin left to, to heal my foot or save it. And then because of the amount of burns I had over my body, they weren't, they weren't positive I was even gonna make it. So it was like once they knew I was out of critical condition and I was gonna make it, they were... You know, all my nerves were messed up in my hands, like my ulnar nerve was shot in both hands. My hands were numb. There was a lot of... It's just the unknown, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:10 Yeah, I can only imagine. I think it sucks that you couldn't use the hyperbaric, 'cause it definitely accelerates healing.

Travis Barker 27:17 Yeah. Even now, I, I go in, I go in sometimes now. There's a hyperbaric, uh, in Los Angeles that seats two people, and that's perfect for me.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Hmm.

Travis Barker 27:26 It's just like I could stay in there for two hours and I'm fine. You know?

Joe Rogan 27:31 It's just a confined space thing for you?

Travis Barker 27:33 Yeah, I just don't love being in confined spaces.

Joe Rogan 27:35 Yeah, I don't love it either-

Travis Barker 27:36 Still

Joe Rogan 27:36 ... but I do it.

Travis Barker 27:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:37 But, but it's, I've never been through what you've been through.

Travis Barker 27:39 You know what the mindfuck is, is the, the time it takes to depressurize it. So even if you're like, "Okay, I'm done," they're like seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever, while we-

Joe Rogan 27:48 Yeah

Travis Barker 27:48 ... depressurize it. Think that's, that's why I just feel better in the two-seater.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Yeah. That makes sense.

Travis Barker 27:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Fuck, dude. What... Now, when you're doing this documentary, are you... Does it relive all this stuff for you?

Travis Barker 28:02 Every time. Yeah, I was so excited to come on, on this with you, 'cause I'm like, "I'm gonna talk fights with Joe. I'm gonna talk whatever-"

Joe Rogan 28:10 [laughs]

Travis Barker 28:10 "... cars, whatever." [laughs] Um.

Joe Rogan 28:13 We can do that, man.

Travis Barker 28:14 But some, some of, some of them have been, uh... I mean, they've all been great, but I mean, to tell the truth, I think since... I, I'm not sure why, but maybe since I was a kid, you know, I lost my mom at a young age, like 13. Like, I could, a stranger could come up to me outside this place and be like, "Dude, I just lost my dad," and I'd probably start bawling, 'cause it's sensitive to me. It, like, triggers something to me.

Joe Rogan 28:36 Right.

Travis Barker 28:36 Um, so yeah. It's like talking about certain parts of the doc is like gutting me with a knife, you know? Um.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Were you conflicted as to whether or not you wanted to go through with this and relive all that stuff?

Travis Barker 28:51 Um, I, I think I was already far past it. It was, it was, it was to the point where my doc was done in 2017, but I'm like, "There's no ending. The ending sucks. I won't look at a plane. I won't do anything." And then fast-forward, you know, that was their dream ending, just stare at a fucking plane for me, right?

Joe Rogan 29:11 [laughs]

Travis Barker 29:11 And I'm like, "Nah." You know? Um, so and then fast-forward to now, 2024 or whatever it was when I flew, or 2025, it was like, "Yo, I fly. I fly again. My kids fly. Uh, I'm married." Um, there, like so many things have changed, and that kinda triggered me to finish it, because there was a, a huge light at the end of the tunnel now, right? It was like-

Joe Rogan 29:35 Yeah

Travis Barker 29:35 ... yeah, I had this thing that had power over me for 20 years, but I fly again. And, uh, and, and I, I think the other parts of the doc, like, uh, an amazing, like, rough relationship with my dad when, when I was younger turned into s- something, like, beautiful, where he's, like, my best friend. Um.

Joe Rogan 29:52 Oh, that's awesome.

Travis Barker 29:52 I wasn't, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I grew up, you know, not... We didn't even have, like, running hot water in my house. Uh, so I, it wasn't like my dad was in the music industry and my mom was a, an agent. It was like, nah, I, I fucking didn't know how I was gonna get out of where I, where I grew up. And I just played every day, and I was relentless. And I joined every band, and I played with everyone, and I practiced two to five hours a day, you know? So just even giving some kid hope knowing that he can do the same thing was, was, like, a, a big part of my documentary that I felt like could help a lot of people.

Joe Rogan 30:31 For sure.

Travis Barker 30:32 And then just to see me get knocked down and, um, and just have to fight, you know, over and over again when fucked up things happen to me and- Just watching me have these things just make me stronger and stronger, and unbreakable. I think that's the resilience. I think, like, that, that is something for, for people to see.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Fucking yeah.

Travis Barker 30:58 You know?

Joe Rogan 30:58 Yeah, there's two great messages in there. The big one is that you can overcome, that no matter how fucked up things are, if you keep going and if you keep... You stay positive, you do the right thing, you trust the process, at the end of it you'll come out better.

Travis Barker 31:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:12 And then your, the formula for success is the same formula almost everyone has that is really awesome at something. Become obsessed, become driven, and just throw everything you have in that thing, and you come out better.

Travis Barker 31:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:27 And y- y- you eventually get to where you wanna be or get to where you are. It's, it's, it's an undeniable formula.

Travis Barker 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 And p- kids need to hear that.

Travis Barker 31:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Especially kids in this world, where everybody thinks everything comes quick and everybody wants a... You know, it's a TikTok mindset, and everybody wants a pill to lose weight, and everybody wants... It, it's all... The process is the most important thing, and just get, become, becoming obsessed and in love with the process.

Travis Barker 31:53 Yeah. And, and so many people, I don't know, they... There's not a lot of balance, right? Like, I've, I've found more balance now, but it's like, no, you've gotta be fucking obsessed, and you gotta be relentless, and you gotta... While all your homies are out doing whatever, you should be practicing. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 32:10 Yeah.

Travis Barker 32:10 You gotta be disciplined.

Joe Rogan 32:11 Yeah.

Travis Barker 32:11 Like, I'm so... You know, my parents were, uh, they were, they were really strict with me. Like, "Yo, if you wanna go skateboarding, you wanna go ride BMX bikes, go whatever, fuck off with your friends, you gotta go play drums for three hours."

Joe Rogan 32:23 Wow.

Travis Barker 32:23 I'm so thankful they did that. Can you imagine if they didn't, you know? 'Cause the one thing also in my doc is, like, every time, like... My mom dies, what do I do? I, I just throw myself into music and drumming. Like, obsessed with drumming, you know? Join marching band, orchestra, jazz band. You know, like, just l- literally eat, sleep, and breathe it. Same thing after my accident. What did I do? Day I got home, I'm outside with scabs all over my body and I'm playing the fucking drums, 'cause it's, like, what I know. And also I think for kids even that don't have to hopefully endure anything I encountered, it's like, it gives you confidence when you're good at something. It's like, when, I don't know, anything. I think when kids bully you and whatever else, if you're good at something, you're like, "Fuck you." Like, "I know I'm really good at football," or, "I'm really good at jujitsu." Or, "I'm really good at guitar." I feel like it just gives you confidence.

Joe Rogan 33:18 100%.

Travis Barker 33:19 And, uh, helps you just kinda navigate through life better.

Joe Rogan 33:23 Yeah.

Travis Barker 33:23 You know?

Joe Rogan 33:24 It's a vehicle for developing you as a human being, and you-

Travis Barker 33:27 Totally

Joe Rogan 33:27 ... whatever it is. Whether it's art, whether it's m- music, whether it's literature. Whatever you're doing. W- writing, whatever you're doing.

Travis Barker 33:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Whatever. Carpentry, whatever it is. Just become obsessed with a thing, get better at it, and you realize that, "Okay, I... There's a process. I can get better at things, I'm valuable, I c- I'm, I can do something."

Travis Barker 33:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:47 "I'm not just a lazy sack of shit."

Travis Barker 33:50 The problem is the masses aren't like that, right? So, like, sometimes you feel lonely being like that.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Yeah.

Travis Barker 33:55 But, uh, yeah, I feel like... Have you ever read Relentless by Tim Grover?

Joe Rogan 34:00 No.

Travis Barker 34:00 It's, fuck, it's my bible. But, uh, I just had my premiere in LA, and he introduced my doc.

Joe Rogan 34:07 What is it?

Travis Barker 34:08 It's, it's, it's a book, and he basically talks about being a cooler, um, closer, or cleaner, you know? And, like, cleaners are, are, like, people like you and I that are obsessed with shit. And, you know, if we won a Grammy today, we're not gonna, like, party for the next week. We're like, "What's next?" You know?

Joe Rogan 34:27 Right.

Travis Barker 34:27 "What's next?" We're not, uh... We're on vacation and we're practicing, and we're not feeling bad about it. We're... It's just, it's, it's a mindset that not a lot of people have, and they almost make you feel like you're doing something wrong because you're so obsessed with something.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Yeah.

Travis Barker 34:43 Um-

Joe Rogan 34:44 Well, people will make you feel like there's something wrong with you.

Travis Barker 34:46 Oh, yeah. Like, and I've... And it took me a while. Honestly, after I read his book, I'm like, "Oh, I'm not alone."

Joe Rogan 34:52 [laughs]

Travis Barker 34:52 "There's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me that just..." I love the fucking drums. I love to make music. I could stay in the studio for 25 hours, you know? Um, and, and I don't feel burnt out, and it makes me feel alive, and it's therapeutic, and I always... I'm never content with where I'm at. I always know I have room to grow. I know there's things I can get better at. Um, yeah. There's... And then there's, like, you know, there's people that are very content just being like, "I'm not gonna get any better. I'm just, I'm cool with where I'm at. I know this is kinda peak level for me." I could never think like that.

Joe Rogan 35:31 Yeah. I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be. In order for there to be outliers, there, there's always going to be people that just, whatever, for whatever reason, never follow through, never do what they really wanna do. You know, what is that, uh, Thoreau comment, the Thoreau quote? "Most men live lives of quiet desperation."

Travis Barker 35:54 Mm.

Joe Rogan 35:55 There's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that wish, they wish they had the energy or the inspiration or the discipline or whatever it is to do the thing that they want to do, to get up and just, to, to do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement, really f- makes them feel fulfilled, really, like, ignites that creative fire inside of them that, where, where you do something and it's done. You're like, "Fuck yeah."

Travis Barker 36:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:23 There's a lot of people that never experience, "Fuck yeah."

Travis Barker 36:25 Ugh. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:27 It's a rough life.

Travis Barker 36:28 I feel like that's the journey to find that, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 36:30 Yeah

Travis Barker 36:30 ... or, like, that quote, uh, "Find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it."

Joe Rogan 36:35 Yeah.

Travis Barker 36:35 Like, that's the... That's great, but I think, yeah, things like that have just... Especially after my accident, I'm like, "Yo, life is short. I'm-" There's, you know-

Joe Rogan 36:45 And it can go at any time.

Travis Barker 36:47 Oh, it can go any time.

Joe Rogan 36:48 Yeah.

Travis Barker 36:48 I've, I've, I've learned. I've been smacked in the face over and over again, you know? Um, yeah. And just always feeling like... I remember, uh, there's this guy named Harry Shannon that was, like, very instrumental in helping me get sober, or me trying to get sober before my accident, when I got sober, and he's like, "You know, I have to ask men, like, if you died right now, would you be the man you'd want people to remember you by?"

Joe Rogan 37:11 Hmm.

Travis Barker 37:11 And I'm like, "I need to get to that place."

Joe Rogan 37:15 Yeah.

Travis Barker 37:15 You know? That, that's just where I wanna sit. That's where I wanna live.

Joe Rogan 37:18 Yeah.

Travis Barker 37:18 You know?

Joe Rogan 37:19 Well, I always tell, tell people, "Live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around-

Travis Barker 37:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... and you're doing something awesome." Like, if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing some- just someone who's like, "Wow, that fucking dude's getting after it."

Travis Barker 37:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Be, be that person in real life.

Travis Barker 37:38 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 37:38 The other thing I always tell people-

Travis Barker 37:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 37:40 ... become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid.

Travis Barker 37:43 That's so funny. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 37:44 [laughs]

Travis Barker 37:45 Or who you're pretending to be on the internet or social media.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Yeah.

Travis Barker 37:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Just actually become that person.

Travis Barker 37:49 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 37:49 It's so much easier-

Travis Barker 37:50 Yeah

Joe Rogan 37:50 ... than pretending, 'cause there's obviously someone that's like that. That's why we understand the archetype. That's why we understand, like, this very exceptional person. So become that person.

Travis Barker 38:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:02 You can do it. Anybody can do it. We all change and grow, and that's what's, I think, really important about people like you telling your story, is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life, and they can see it and relate to you and under- and it gives them fuel. It, it, it can... Your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life. There's a young girl or a young guy out there that can hear you, and that, just your story makes them take a step, makes them go in the right direction, makes them make a move, just something. We all need something from other people. We feed off of other people's energy.

Travis Barker 38:40 Yeah. I, I feel that. Like, it's like when people see David Goggins for the first time, and you're like, "Oh, I'm gonna get after it. I'm gonna get... " You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 38:47 [laughs]

Travis Barker 38:48 Like, that's important. Um, yeah, and I didn't know. I, I said, you know, I've watched my doc like 15, 20 times now, and I just... I even watched it the other day at the premiere, and I'm, like, holding back tears, and I'm like, "Fuck, it's so heavy," you know? Um, but just the reaction from everyone is like, "Yo, that changed my life. Like, I can't look at life the same." And I'm like, "Oh," if anything, that's-

Joe Rogan 39:14 Yeah

Travis Barker 39:14 ... I love that.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Yeah.

Travis Barker 39:15 You know?

Joe Rogan 39:16 We all need that.

Travis Barker 39:16 I'd hate to put out... Al- also, it's not like I made my own documentary. Um, but I was honored and flattered someone wanted to do this documentary with me, but, like, hate to put out something that doesn't help people.

Joe Rogan 39:28 Right.

Travis Barker 39:28 You know?

Joe Rogan 39:29 Right.

Travis Barker 39:29 Is this water right here?

Joe Rogan 39:30 Yeah. Yeah. There's a glass right in front of you. Is there... There you go.

Travis Barker 39:33 I ran, what is it called? Lake Austin?

Joe Rogan 39:36 Uh-huh. Lady Bird, Lady Bird Lake.

Travis Barker 39:37 I, I ran it today. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:38 It's dope.

Travis Barker 39:39 So nice.

Joe Rogan 39:40 Isn't it beautiful?

Travis Barker 39:40 So beautiful.

Joe Rogan 39:41 This is such a great place.

Travis Barker 39:43 If I lived here, I would be out there every day, and tons of people running.

Joe Rogan 39:47 I know.

Travis Barker 39:47 So cool.

Joe Rogan 39:48 There's a lot of healthy people in this town.

Travis Barker 39:49 And I, I didn't... My goal was to just wake up and walk. I went to, like, this good espresso spot that has, like, cortados, had a coffee, and then, uh, I have, like, long shorts on, like sweatshorts, cutoff sweats, Suicidal Tendencies sweats-

Joe Rogan 40:04 [laughs]

Travis Barker 40:04 ... and high socks and just regular shoes. And where I come from, where I grew up, was called the Inland Empire. Like, and I'm like, "Oh my God, I look so Inland Empire right here."

Joe Rogan 40:12 Totally. [laughs]

Travis Barker 40:13 Like, no shirt-

Joe Rogan 40:14 Suicidal Tendencies

Travis Barker 40:14 ... long-ass sweat. Suicidal Tendencies. People are like, "He's not from here," you know?

Joe Rogan 40:18 [laughs]

Travis Barker 40:18 But I'm like, "Hey, I'm here with you guys." You know?

Joe Rogan 40:20 Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here. This is a very blend-in town.

Travis Barker 40:24 I lo- I love Austin.

Joe Rogan 40:25 It's great.

Travis Barker 40:25 It's cool.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yeah. But that lake is, uh, a really fun spot, and a- again, very inspirational too because there's a lot of people getting after it.

Travis Barker 40:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:33 A lot of people that look good. They look healthy.

Travis Barker 40:35 Yeah, it was like... I don't know. Honestly, I was surprised.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Really?

Travis Barker 40:40 From the moment I, I touched down yesterday, just walking, like, my wife and Rocky, we just went walking, and there was... Everyone was running even yesterday. And then today it was, like, similar to when, that feeling where you, in LA, where you have, like, those boot camps or whatever.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 40:57 But there's no organized boot camp. There's just people out, out there getting after it.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Yeah.

Travis Barker 41:01 It was... I, I love, I love being around that.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Well, this is a very fit town. I mean, it's become the jujitsu hub of the country.

Travis Barker 41:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 41:09 Yeah. It's kind of crazy, and it all happened during the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or LA, and they came here, and a lot... Well, it started out with Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan and John Danaher, who are the, like... Gordon's the greatest jujitsu athlete of all time, and he moved here, and John Danaher is the greatest coach of all time, and he moved here. And they set up shop. And then all the guys they train with came here, and then a ton of other people just moved here and started up schools too. So there's a ton of jujitsu going on here, a ton of MMA going on here. There's gyms everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms. It's like, it is like a feeling here of there's an energy of people that wanna do something, that really want, they wanna be active. They wanna be excited about something. They wanna make something happen, and I think a lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a, a, a symbol of change for them. Like, "Wherever the fuck I used to live before, now I'm gonna move to this new thing, and I'm gonna really take advantage of the fact that this is different, that this place is different. This is my new place. This is my new feeling of my li- Um, it's a new environment." And then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to, like, excel and, and make their life more exciting, and just, it's an awesome place.

Travis Barker 42:32 Yeah. I feel that. I think you usually see it in New York or LA.

Joe Rogan 42:36 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 42:36 But you see it here.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Yeah.

Travis Barker 42:37 It's like everyone's in shape, or it's like, feels like it's ahead.

Joe Rogan 42:42 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 42:42 You know? Um-

Joe Rogan 42:44 There's energy here.

Travis Barker 42:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:45 And there's energy here because of the people that moved here. You know, when we opened up the comedy club, I mean, we, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in LA. LA was locked down for comedy. And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted.

Travis Barker 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:01 They're addicted to performing, they're addicted to writing, they're addicted to, like... And a lot of these guys were young people, where their career just was shut off. And, you know, they're in their 20s, and they're, they're pursuing their dream, and they're barely getting by. They're making no fucking money.

Travis Barker 43:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:17 But they're in Hollywood, they're at the Comedy Store. And, and all of a sudden, the Comedy Store's closed for a year and a half. It was-

Travis Barker 43:23 Oh

Joe Rogan 43:23 ... fucking nuts. And so when we came out here, you know, it started off, it was Ron White, and then me, and Tony Hinchcliffe, and then it was like, we lit the fire, and go- go, "Come on." And then next thing you know it, there's, like, 20 world-class comedians moved to Austin.

Travis Barker 43:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:40 And we set up the club, and then now there's five clubs on my street. On the street where my club is, there's five other clubs there. It's crazy. There's so many comics here.

Travis Barker 43:50 So good.

Joe Rogan 43:50 And it's just exploding with creativity, and enthusiasm, and momentum. There's, like, so much momentum. Cam Patterson, who came out of here, just got SNL. You know, Shane Gillis obviously just became, like, the biggest comic in the world. And it's all... Kill Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world. That's out of my club.

Travis Barker 44:07 It's so wild, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:07 It's all, like, all-

Travis Barker 44:08 Oh, that's out of your club?

Joe Rogan 44:09 Yeah.

Travis Barker 44:09 Oh, my-

Joe Rogan 44:09 Every Monday-

Travis Barker 44:10 Dude

Joe Rogan 44:10 ... it's out of my club.

Travis Barker 44:10 I get all the clippings from it-

Joe Rogan 44:12 [laughs]

Travis Barker 44:13 ... all the time, and I'm like, "He's so funny." Also, Ron... I saw, I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis, uh, at the Netflix Sucks-

Joe Rogan 44:21 Oh, right

Travis Barker 44:22 ... at, at the Hollywood Bowl.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Yeah.

Travis Barker 44:23 So good.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Yeah. I worked with Ron last night, and-

Travis Barker 44:27 He's great

Joe Rogan 44:28 ... he's the best.

Travis Barker 44:28 Yeah. Shane Gillis is my favorite, obviously. He's so, he's so funny.

Joe Rogan 44:32 He's the best.

Travis Barker 44:33 He doesn't even have to-

Joe Rogan 44:33 They're awesome

Travis Barker 44:33 ... say anything, just his face

Joe Rogan 44:35 No. Well, he's just a great guy. Like, he just love... You, you, when you're around him, you're having fun.

Travis Barker 44:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 Like, he's just a big, he's a big smile.

Travis Barker 44:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:43 You know?

Travis Barker 44:44 I could imagine.

Joe Rogan 44:45 Yeah. So having him out here-

Travis Barker 44:45 Yeah, they were like, "Hey, do you wanna go meet him before the thing?" I'm like, "No, no, no, I'm okay." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 44:49 [laughs]

Travis Barker 44:49 Like, "I just wanna, I just wanna watch the show." Like, yeah, I don't wanna-

Joe Rogan 44:53 No, I'm sure he'd love to meet you.

Travis Barker 44:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:54 It's just, uh, y- having a place where a bunch of like-minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important. And if you don't have that in your life, that's what I was talking about, like, your story, and your documentary, and just hearing you talk about stuff is so important for people, 'cause we all need other people that are doing a similar thing, or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing.

Travis Barker 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 That gives us... And it might not be for them, it might not be playing the drums. It might be painting, it might be something else. But it's like, oh, that guy has that feeling about drums the way I have this feeling about playing guitar, or I have this feeling about drawing pictures. Whatever the fuck it is.

Travis Barker 45:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:33 It's like you need to know that this feeling that you have inside of you, and wanting to do something special, is not unique. There's other people that have it. You just have to find them.

Travis Barker 45:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:42 You have to find those people. And if they're not around you, at least now we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the internet. It's, it's incredible.

Travis Barker 45:51 Yeah, it's like they say, like, you are who you, who, you're, the, the closest five people-

Joe Rogan 45:55 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 45:56 ... that are around you.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Yep.

Travis Barker 45:57 It's, like, the same thing. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Completely true. Completely true.

Travis Barker 46:00 Yeah, I feel that too, and they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing. Uh, yeah. I'm like, in our old neighborhood, where... 'Cause y- were you on Califa?

Joe Rogan 46:10 Yes.

Travis Barker 46:10 That's wh- okay.

Joe Rogan 46:10 Yeah.

Travis Barker 46:10 So I'm on Califa. You know?

Joe Rogan 46:12 Uh-huh.

Travis Barker 46:12 I moved my studio. You literally left.

Joe Rogan 46:14 Yeah.

Travis Barker 46:14 Like, COVID hit, you left, and I moved in over there, right?

Joe Rogan 46:18 Yeah, I know, I heard. [laughs]

Travis Barker 46:19 So, um, I wonder how close we were too, I think.

Joe Rogan 46:22 Well, I think we were real close.

Travis Barker 46:23 Really?

Joe Rogan 46:24 I think we were right-

Travis Barker 46:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 46:24 ... down the street from each other.

Travis Barker 46:25 So, uh, even just being in that neighborhood, like, I, I run a lot in there, right? And one day I was running. It was so, it was so weird. I think I saw your pod, and Jean Jacques was on it, right?

Joe Rogan 46:36 Jean Jacques Machado?

Travis Barker 46:37 Yeah, Jean Jacques Machado. And, um, and then th- the, maybe two days later, I'm at, uh, I'm, I'm at Blue Bottle grabbing a coffee, and him and all his boys from his, his gym come up. They're like, "Hey, come train. Come train." And I'm like, "Okay." And then the next day I'm running, and I don't even know where his spot is, and I'm running, and then there's his, his dojo. Like, you know, his gym.

Joe Rogan 47:00 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 47:00 And, uh, and I just walked in and started training. But being around him and, like, his story, like, being around people who have inspiring stories-

Joe Rogan 47:08 Yeah

Travis Barker 47:08 ... and are motivating, and, and are, are productive, and are hungry, and, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:14 Yeah.

Travis Barker 47:15 Just, it's the biggest, the biggest difference in the world.

Joe Rogan 47:18 Jean Jacques is an awesome soul.

Travis Barker 47:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 He's an awesome guy.

Travis Barker 47:21 What a great guy.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Yeah, I started training with him in 1998. Yeah.

Travis Barker 47:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Yeah.

Travis Barker 47:27 I was training a, a, a lot, and then, uh, was also running a bunch, and I tweaked my, my leg.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Ugh.

Travis Barker 47:36 Uh, and I kinda learned, I think, like, me running all the time, uh, it wasn't the best for jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 47:43 No.

Travis Barker 47:43 Mm.

Joe Rogan 47:44 You need some strength training for jujitsu.

Travis Barker 47:45 Yeah. So now, now it's a good balance, but, um-

Joe Rogan 47:49 What do you do for strength training?

Travis Barker 47:51 It's tricky. I, I used to just work out. If I, if I was here, I'd find someone, I'd work out with them, or have, have friends I'd work out with, or trainers back home. But a lot of people see me and they're like, "Bro, let's get, let's get you jacked."

Joe Rogan 48:05 [laughs]

Travis Barker 48:05 Well, that, that's not, that's not functional for me.

Joe Rogan 48:08 Not functional for drums.

Travis Barker 48:09 I need to be fucking fast.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Yes.

Travis Barker 48:11 And I need to be, um, fluid, and-

Joe Rogan 48:14 Right

Travis Barker 48:15 ... yeah, so a lot of people... I, I figured out after years, and years, and years of, of working out with different people, what's best for me is, is fast twitch and lots of reps, uh, lots of sprints, quick, explosive energy.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 48:32 I love boxing, love jump roping. Um, and then a few days is more, like, slow strength training.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 48:39 But only followed by, like, I have to finish with something fast, whether it's- 10 rounds on the bag or whatever else, or I literally... I remember there was a tour and I was working out with someone, and, um, we hadn't yet figured it out. We work out still together, and we do, we do something called tempo training. So whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo, and you're doing it for the length of the song. So it's much longer than you would normally do something, and it's much quicker than you'd normally do something. But that's how I play the drums, and that's gonna, that's gonna, um, help me once I go back to what I do, and it's functional for what I do.

Joe Rogan 49:16 I like that.

Travis Barker 49:16 But when I wasn't doing that and I was just throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle, I was... I got behind a kit, and I remember I hadn't really tested it out, and it was the worst feeling in the world. I was so tight. I was so slow.

Joe Rogan 49:31 Mm.

Travis Barker 49:31 I didn't look like this, but I felt like this, you know? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 49:33 [laughs]

Travis Barker 49:33 It was terrible. I was like, "Oh my gosh, this isn't me. I need to be ba," you know?

Joe Rogan 49:38 Right, right.

Travis Barker 49:38 Like, and my goal, my only goal is to be able to think something and do it, execute, uh, stamina-wise, endurance-wise, and skill-wise. So I'm always practicing, and my stamina's always on point, so.

Joe Rogan 49:54 Well, drumming is like sprinting with your arms.

Travis Barker 49:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:58 I mean, you're just like-

Travis Barker 49:59 It, it-

Joe Rogan 49:59 ... long-term fast running with your arms.

Travis Barker 50:02 Yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 50:03 You know?

Travis Barker 50:03 ... volume punches, right?

Joe Rogan 50:04 Like, all drummers have a similar build.

Travis Barker 50:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:07 They're all, like, wiry and strong and have, like, c- crazy endurance with their arms.

Travis Barker 50:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Like, what you could do with your arms is probably bananas. I bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all day long.

Travis Barker 50:17 I could do battle ropes. I love speed bags.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Oh, yeah.

Travis Barker 50:20 I, I, I have one at the, at the gym, at my studio.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Can you imagine doing this all day fucking, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

Travis Barker 50:24 Yeah. And it's all, it's all-

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yeah

Travis Barker 50:26 ... tempo.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 50:27 You have to find the rhythm. If the rhythm's not right, you can't keep the bag going, you know? Um, battle ropes, you know-

Joe Rogan 50:33 Oh, yeah

Travis Barker 50:33 ... for 30, 40 minutes-

Joe Rogan 50:35 Okay. [laughs]

Travis Barker 50:36 ... without stopping.

Joe Rogan 50:37 That's insane.

Travis Barker 50:37 Yeah. Just find-

Joe Rogan 50:39 But I mean, that's like the perfect thing-

Travis Barker 50:40 ... different ways

Joe Rogan 50:40 ... for drumming, I would imagine. It's such a similar motion.

Travis Barker 50:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:44 You know?

Travis Barker 50:44 But it's so different than, like, the average person that wants to work out. Like, I don't get to do that.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Right, right.

Travis Barker 50:49 You know? Even though it's cool or y- you look cool or you put on a certain amount of muscle, whatever, I... It's just, I can't do it.

Joe Rogan 50:55 Well, it could get in your way, for sure. I mean, I think a, a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer.

Travis Barker 51:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:01 You know, you, you wanna be, like, lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance. And if you just get an intelligent trainer, they, they understand what you're trying to j- achieve. They could achieve both goals. Like, you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jujitsu if you wanna do jujitsu, but not overwhelm you with mass.

Travis Barker 51:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:23 You know?

Travis Barker 51:24 Yeah. Figure it out. Like, there's, yeah, there's definitely certain exercises I could do once I start training in jujitsu again to make sure my legs are cool, because that was it.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Well, a lot of, like, really elite jujitsu guys are not bulky at all. There's a lot of, like, really thin guys that are, like, very, very high level, especially 'cause there's-

Travis Barker 51:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 51:40 ... weight classes, and, you know, what's really important is technique.

Travis Barker 51:43 You know what's tricky is the hands, too. Like, not, not crushing my hand-

Joe Rogan 51:48 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 51:48 ... and, and making sure I'm always, like, gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out or-

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Travis Barker 52:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:41 If you break a finger, that's fucked.

Travis Barker 52:43 Yeah. No, he's-

Joe Rogan 52:44 Yeah

Travis Barker 52:44 ... he's always so good about that. It's like, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Well, you just ha- if you're rolling and stuff, you just have to make sure you're not rolling with anybody that's spastic, anybody that's just, like, that doesn't have controlled energy, you know?

Travis Barker 52:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:55 That's the great thing about rolling with black belts. Like, if I'm rolling with a black belt, it's very controlled. Like, we both know what we're doing, so everyone's, like, moving at a very controlled pace. You very rarely get injured.

Travis Barker 53:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:09 When you get injured is when you're rolling with, like, some young blue belt who's on steroids, who's fucking jacked out of his mind, who just-

Travis Barker 53:16 He's trying to choke you out, and he's just amped.

Joe Rogan 53:17 And he's one of... Yeah, wants to choke out Travis Barker.

Travis Barker 53:18 I'm gonna fucking choke out Travis Barker. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 53:20 Yeah, exactly.

Travis Barker 53:20 Totally.

Joe Rogan 53:21 That's-

Travis Barker 53:21 Dude, I've been that. I w- I was at a UFC gym. Uh, I forget where I was. I was somewhere on tour, and he's like, "Okay, l- let's spar a little bit." And we're supposed to be doing light sparring, whatever, just kickboxing, boxing, and he does a spinning back fist.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Oh, Jesus.

Travis Barker 53:36 And I'm like, "Oh my gosh." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 53:38 [laughs]

Travis Barker 53:38 Like, I have a show in 45 minutes, man. Like, chill, you know? Um, so.

Joe Rogan 53:43 He can't be getting concussed-

Travis Barker 53:45 Yeah

Joe Rogan 53:45 ... 45 minutes before.

Travis Barker 53:46 But I do, I do love it.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Spinning back fist is very hard to control, too.

Travis Barker 53:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Once you start that rotation and that spin g- and that arm going around.

Travis Barker 53:53 I was, I was almost done-zo.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Yeah.

Travis Barker 53:56 My son was there. He's like, "Oh!"

Joe Rogan 53:58 Yeah. [laughs]

Travis Barker 53:58 I was like, yeah, that probably wasn't, that wasn't good, but yeah. But training is, yeah, it's, it's so awesome. Um, you know-

Joe Rogan 54:05 It's great for getting rid of aggression, too.

Travis Barker 54:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Like, it just cleans your mind up and makes you relaxed.

Travis Barker 54:10 For sure, and it humbles you, I think.

Joe Rogan 54:12 Oh, yeah.

Travis Barker 54:13 I feel like everyone should train or at, at least do it at some point in their life because it humbles you, and yeah, I feel like there'll be a lot less, like, hotheads or testosterone-

Joe Rogan 54:23 100%

Travis Barker 54:23 ... out there, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 54:24 100%. Jujitsu people are some of the most laid back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet. [laughs]

Travis Barker 54:30 Yeah, totally.

Joe Rogan 54:32 Th- most of them are, like, very easygoing, really kind and v- very relaxed.

Travis Barker 54:38 And I feel like it's something you can do even as you age.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Oh, 100%.

Travis Barker 54:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 54:42 Yeah. As long as you're training with good, smart people.

Travis Barker 54:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:45 You know, that's the thing. You gotta pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured is spastics, people that freak out. And you know, I used to be a spastic. I get it. You know, when I was young-

Travis Barker 54:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 54:55 ... when I was first starting out, I was very aggressive and trying to just Just d- d- force everything. You do everything fa- And then, but then one day you'll train with someone like Jean Jacques, and Jean Jacques just, he never explodes. He ne- he's, he's never out of balance. He's never out of position. Everything's just smooth and effortless, and he's talking to you, like, while he's rolling, "Joe Rogan, look out for your arm, Joe Rogan." [laughs]

Travis Barker 55:19 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 55:19 And he's like, he's, he's having fun.

Travis Barker 55:22 He's so good.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Yeah.

Travis Barker 55:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 And it's, that's, it's an art. It really is. Especially when it's done well, like the way Jean Jacques can do it. It's like, it is an art. It's beautiful to watch. You watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle, and it's like, "Oh my God." It's beautiful.

Travis Barker 55:37 Yeah. And I think I'd done it in the past, and it was f- it was a, it was a lot of fun, and it was almost like chess up here.

Joe Rogan 55:44 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 55:44 But I didn't feel like it was a much of a workout, whereas with him, it's, like, two hours. He's making it like a show. There's no, there's no stopping for long periods of time, and we're just dripping sweat.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Mm.

Travis Barker 56:02 And I weigh a buck 50, and he's whatever, 200, you know?

Joe Rogan 56:06 Yeah.

Travis Barker 56:06 And he's just... Yeah. It, it's, it is a workout, and it's just challenging, and you're engaged the whole time, and-

Joe Rogan 56:13 Yeah

Travis Barker 56:13 ... it feel, it just feels good.

Joe Rogan 56:14 And you, when, then if you watch fights, you really appreciate what's going on 'cause you've tried to do that, and you know.

Travis Barker 56:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Like, 'cause a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights. Like, oh, well-

Travis Barker 56:24 They get pissed when they go to the ground

Joe Rogan 56:25 ... I'd get in there.

Travis Barker 56:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 I'll fucking, I'd fuck these guys up.

Travis Barker 56:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Like, you have this d- Most men have a very delusional understanding of, or belief in their ability to fight.

Travis Barker 56:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:36 So doing it gives you like, "Oh, this is fucking really hard." And then you watch people at an elite level. You know, you watch Sugar Sean O'Malley or someone like that, and you're like, "Oh, fuck, that's hard to do what he just did. That's crazy."

Travis Barker 56:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:49 It, like, gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of dis- discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level, where you're watching something spectacular in front of 15,000 people and millions of people on television.

Travis Barker 57:06 Dude, I couldn't imagine. Yeah, I was with Dom one time, and, uh, me and Dom Cruz. He was just like, "Try to sleep me."

Joe Rogan 57:12 [laughs]

Travis Barker 57:13 And I'm like, "Okay." And you know how fast he is and how, like, I swing, and he's over here. You know? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:18 [laughs]

Travis Barker 57:18 It was like, oh, it was so humiliating. But, um, and then he just was just grappling me and not letting me move, and he's like, he's like, "Don't ever, don't ever when you're in a fight be like, 'Do something, do something.' This is what it feels like." You know? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 57:33 Yeah.

Travis Barker 57:33 He was just keeping me there, and I'm like, "Oh, I have much more respect for just..." Yeah, when someone's even just holding someone against the fence, that, that feels awful.

Joe Rogan 57:44 Yeah.

Travis Barker 57:45 You know? Uh-

Joe Rogan 57:45 And it drains you

Travis Barker 57:46 ... it drained me, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:47 Yeah.

Travis Barker 57:47 And then to start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep him was, it was, it was impossible.

Joe Rogan 57:52 [laughs]

Travis Barker 57:52 It was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:55 His footwork is ridiculous.

Travis Barker 57:57 Dude, so good.

Joe Rogan 57:57 It's ridiculous. And he really invented a lot of his footwork. Like, his footwork is very... Dom, Dominick Cruz, when he was the champion, when he was bantamweight champion, had some of the most elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was so unique and so different, and you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training, 'cause Dom's system, he, he pretty much developed on his own. And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving, and it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him, and they're just mesmerized.

Travis Barker 58:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Because it's step, step here. Step, step there. Pop. Step, step here. Kick. Step, step here. Elbow. And you're like, "Fuck, where is he?"

Travis Barker 58:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 You know? And that was such a smart... 'Cause he's such an intelligent guy, which is why he's such a great, like, MMA analyst.

Travis Barker 58:44 Yeah, he's so good.

Joe Rogan 58:45 So smart. And he just really figured out, like, "Okay, I don't have the most power. I'm not the strongest guy. I'm not the biggest guy. What, what can I have, what can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody? Well, I can be, like, the most elusive, the most slick-moving guy that's ever existed." And-

Travis Barker 59:04 And I feel like a lot of people in his division adopted it from him.

Joe Rogan 59:07 Oh, for sure.

Travis Barker 59:08 Like, figured it out, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:09 Well, they had to adapt.

Travis Barker 59:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:11 You know, when that guy's, you know, dominating people and you, you can't do anything about it. I mean, he humiliated a lot of people.

Travis Barker 59:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Like, he was in front of them, and they, they, they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you. Like some- right in front of you and there to be hit, and taking a shot, and then giving one back. Dom was doing none of that.

Travis Barker 59:30 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 59:30 He's like, "Whoop, here I'm over here. Boop."

Travis Barker 59:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:32 He was like, you know, very much like, uh, Lomachenko did in boxing.

Travis Barker 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 Just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before, and really kind of, again, developed it on his own. If you look at, like, his, the camp that he came out of in San Diego, there wasn't other guys doing it like that.

Travis Barker 59:47 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 59:48 It was really just him.

Travis Barker 59:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Very, very unique guy. But, uh, I, I love that there's styles that sort of rise, that, that, that exist that someone just sort of creates. They just realize, like, "What, what do I have physically as a, you know, as my tools, and how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before?"

Travis Barker 1:00:13 Yeah, 'cause there was nothing like him.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 No.

Travis Barker 1:00:15 There was nothing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like TJ Dillashaw, who was also awesome with footwork. And, you know, a lot of his footwork, guarantee, was inspired by watching Dominick, and a lot of these other guys that are, these Cory Sandhagen guys that are constantly switching stances.

Travis Barker 1:00:32 Yeah, Cory, same thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 They, all, the, this, the style developed out of that. Because before Dominick Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that, not even close.

Travis Barker 1:00:40 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 And so when you see TJ, you know, like, who, in, in my opinion, was one of the greatest bantamweights of all time, like when he beat Renan Barao, like, one of, which was Renan Barao at the time was thought to be, if not-

Travis Barker 1:00:54 He was a beast, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 ... the best pound for pound fighter in the world, at, at least number two behind Jose Aldo, and he was undefeated. And TJ just styled on him. I mean, it was... And he went out there like he was sparring. It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title. He went out there, like, super loose, and focused, and relaxed, and just switching stances, and cutting angles, and hitting him with shots, and moving to the left, and hitting him with a head kick to the right. Like, fuck. He was-

Travis Barker 1:01:18 Yeah, he put on a show that fight.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Whoo.

Travis Barker 1:01:20 It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 One of the greatest title-winning performances in the history of the sport, for sure.

Travis Barker 1:01:24 I wish, I wish he, he didn't You know, struggle with so many injuries-

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:01:28 ... and everything, 'cause he was-

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 It's a tragedy

Travis Barker 1:01:31 ... he was phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 It is a tragedy. I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries, like, uh, to the point where I think he's gonna have to get artificial shoulders.

Travis Barker 1:01:39 Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 'Cause he had, um, no supraspinatus on both arms. It was just completely ripped off, and he would just, like, strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it, and then it would just pop out. You know, when he fought Aljamain Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, "My shoulder's gonna pop out, but it's okay. I'll put it back. Let me keep fighting."

Travis Barker 1:02:00 [gasps]

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 Imagine that. You're going to fight-

Travis Barker 1:02:02 Ugh, that's the worst

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 ... Aljamain Sterling-

Travis Barker 1:02:03 Yeah, beast

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 ... for the world title.

Travis Barker 1:02:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Who's a beast, and one of the best grapplers ever.

Travis Barker 1:02:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 And you're thinking, uh, "I ha- I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight 'cause it just doesn't stay."

Travis Barker 1:02:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 It's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time, and he's trying to fight, and just, just all will and-

Travis Barker 1:02:24 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 ... discipline and intensity.

Travis Barker 1:02:26 I think that was Dom's shoulder, too, right? Towards the end.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Dom had a bunch of injuries.

Travis Barker 1:02:29 I mean, he had the ACLs and-

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Yeah, he had ACLs. He had... He, the shoulder was the last one. That was the f- the last straw, his last shoulder surgery. Yeah, I mean, look, it's, the human body is not designed t- to be punched and kicked, and to be grappled and strangled and twisted and arm barred. It's like, at a certain point in time, it just gives out.

Travis Barker 1:02:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 That's just how it is.

Travis Barker 1:02:52 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 And it sucks because, you know, some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind, and their body just fails them after a certain point in time. And y- you see that with some of these older guys. It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery, and a this and a that, and then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon.

Travis Barker 1:03:11 Yeah. Sometimes it's sad to watch, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 It's s-

Travis Barker 1:03:13 But I, I also understand the feeling of that's all you know-

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:03:18 ... and you just wanna keep fighting.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Well, it's also they have this insane belief in themselves, and they always think that they can-

Travis Barker 1:03:24 It's what got them there also.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Yep.

Travis Barker 1:03:26 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Mm-hmm. That's how they became a champion in the first place. Like, people telling you you'll never play the drums, you're never gonna run, you're never gonna... And you're like, "I'll show you," and that's how they all are. They're all like, "I'll show," and they're like, "It's over. You gotta hang it up. It's over. Your time has gone." Like, "No, no, no. I got one more in me."

Travis Barker 1:03:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 "I got, I got three or four more fights in me. I'm gonna fight until I'm 41 or whatever it is."

Travis Barker 1:03:47 It's, that would be so hard. I think of Dustin, and I think of, like, even his fight against Islam.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:03:53 And his fight against, uh, what's the French fighter?

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Ben Lilott underneath.

Travis Barker 1:03:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:04:00 Dog, I, I couldn't tell myself I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that in those fights.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 I know.

Travis Barker 1:04:06 He's a fucking beast, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Yeah, he's a beast.

Travis Barker 1:04:09 Like, Dustin, to me, isn't, he doesn't look like he's at the end of his career. He's still very competitive, and that wa- I think that was the best fight against Islam any- anyone's fought, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 It was a very good fight.

Travis Barker 1:04:22 That was such a good fight.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 He's, he's elite.

Travis Barker 1:04:23 I mean, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Dustin's an elite fighter.

Travis Barker 1:04:25 So I could see being Dustin and struggling with like, "Ah, this is-

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:04:29 ... hard for me to stop fighting," 'cause you're that fucking good, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Well, with Dustin, the, the physical issues aren't even really, like, joints and neck and... It's his head.

Travis Barker 1:04:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 He's had too many brain injuries, and that's, he's got some sort of a separation between the two s- halves of his brain. There's, like, some issue with the, the center of his brain. I don't, I don't-

Travis Barker 1:04:50 Oh, I didn't even know about that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Yeah. He's talked about it pretty openly. But I mean, you know, he had that, that incident where he got drunk and w- uh, got crazy. That, but that's, a lot of that is CTE, I guarantee. And, you know, he's, he's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that, and he's seeking help, and really, there, there are some ways that you can recover, uh, at least in some way, and, and improve on what you're doing. But I think for him, it's best to not be fighting anymore, you know?

Travis Barker 1:05:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 It's just, at a certain point in time, you're only gonna accumulate more damage, and then whatever you're dealing with now is just gonna get worse, and then maybe you can't recover from it.

Travis Barker 1:05:31 True.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 And, you know, he's got a family, and he's in this situation where it's like, "I wanna be there for my family. I don't wanna be this guy that's, like, completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old, and where I can't walk anymore and someone's gotta take me around or hold my hand."

Travis Barker 1:05:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 'Cause there are guys like that, you know? Especially, like, older boxers. You run into some old boxers, and it's like, it's really sad, man.

Travis Barker 1:05:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 You know, you see guys like Tommy Hearns talking, who's, like, not much older than me. And you see him talking and moving around, and you're like, "Fuck. Like, he paid a price."

Travis Barker 1:06:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 These guys pay a price. It's a rough way to make a living.

Travis Barker 1:06:09 Yeah. The fight game is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Ooh. It's the craziest.

Travis Barker 1:06:13 So I'm happy my drums don't hit me back.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:06:15 Straight up, you know? I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:06:19 ... ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 It's also, you can do what you do for a long time. I mean, you can play drums for a long time. When you're fighting, your peak is such a small window of life, and it's just, y- th- there's so much that you have to pour into it, and then eventually you have to realize that that window's closed, and you have to move on, even though you're still young and you still have all this life. And look at a guy like Dustin. He looks fucking great, you know? He looks great.

Travis Barker 1:06:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 He sounds great when you're talking to him. He seems like he's all there. Physically, he looks like he's never been better, but the window's closed, you know? There's-

Travis Barker 1:06:54 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 ... there's these young guys coming up, and they don't have the injuries that you have. They don't have the problems that you have. They, they don't have the wear and tear and, and they're gonna get to you before you get to them, and maybe they wouldn't have got to you five years ago or six years ago or, but they can now, and it's just not there anymore. And it's hard for guys to accept, because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting.

Travis Barker 1:07:21 So that's h- that would be the most difficult thing in the world, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:07:25 I-

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 But the glory that they experience is b- above and beyond anything we're ever gonna know.

Travis Barker 1:07:30 I heard someone talking about it, um- And they, they were saying y- imagine being a cage fighter, and it's all you've prepared for for the last 20 years, to be locked in a cage in your underwear to scrap with someone, and have the most grueling fight camps, and then you're just, we're just gonna take you out of it, and you can't do that anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:07:50 It's like that's all you've known, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 Uh-huh.

Travis Barker 1:07:54 It's, it's a... They experienced a different life-

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:07:58 ... than, than us, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Their highs are way higher.

Travis Barker 1:08:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 And the-

Travis Barker 1:08:02 Highest of highs, lowest of lows, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 The rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights. I mean, that's why Conor keeps trying to come back. It's like all these guys, it's like that thing. Like, Conor's worth, like, a half a billion dollars. Like, he doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to.

Travis Barker 1:08:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 But he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory.

Travis Barker 1:08:24 Whatever the discipline that Khabib had, where he could just, he completely walked out on top.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:08:29 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:08:30 Retired on top. That, that's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Uh-huh.

Travis Barker 1:08:32 And, and if everyone could have the, the discipline to do it like that, the, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 Yeah, but that, that guy's got-

Travis Barker 1:08:41 I don't, it's, that's rare

Joe Rogan 1:08:41 ... that guy's got Mount Everest discipline. It's like a different kind of discipline.

Travis Barker 1:08:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:45 And he's-

Travis Barker 1:08:46 That's why he's one of the, the greatest.

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 Yeah, one of the greatest of all time. And that's why, you know, what's interesting is he stayed training. He's been training ever since he retired.

Travis Barker 1:08:55 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 And he says he's much better now than when he retired.

Travis Barker 1:09:00 Wow. Could you imagine?

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 He's like... Isn't that crazy? He says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now.

Travis Barker 1:09:09 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 And how he does things differently in training now. And I know guys who train with him, and they say he fucking mauls people. He's mauling these, like, t- you know, top 10 UFC contenders, and he gets in with them and they, they, they can't hold onto him. He's fucking, he's an animal.

Travis Barker 1:09:24 S- I believe it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 And he's not, he's not even thinking about-

Travis Barker 1:09:27 Not even training for, yeah

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 ... not even thinking about fighting again. But he's an awesome coach now, too. And having a guy like that in your corner, imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets having Khabib Nurmagomedov coach them. Like, you're, you're being coached by one of the most ruthless, disciplined guy that's ever competed in the sport. Retired undefeated, one of the rare ones, and he's your coach, and you wanna make him happy. You wanna make him proud.

Travis Barker 1:09:53 Yeah, having his guidance?

Joe Rogan 1:09:54 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:09:55 Sh-

Joe Rogan 1:09:55 Well, he's-

Travis Barker 1:09:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:09:56 ... gonna be in Islam's corner this weekend. I'm leaving tomorrow.

Travis Barker 1:09:59 Dude, I can't wait.

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 It's gonna be sick.

Travis Barker 1:10:01 I can't wait.

Joe Rogan 1:10:02 That's a good fight.

Travis Barker 1:10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 Very, very interesting fight, 'cause Ian Machado Garry's a very difficult guy to get ahold of. Very tall and long.

Travis Barker 1:10:09 Long, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:10 Fast as fuck.

Travis Barker 1:10:11 Good striker.

Joe Rogan 1:10:12 Very smart. Knows how to win. Knows how to adapt and change.

Travis Barker 1:10:16 Islam's striking is fierce, too, though.

Joe Rogan 1:10:19 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a lot better than-

Travis Barker 1:10:21 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 ... uh, it used to be. And, uh, at, like, the same level as all the other guys in the sport. Which is really crazy, because his grappling is above and beyond. So it's like you're dealing with a guy who, there's no picnic on the feet. He'll fuck you up on the feet. I mean, he knocked out Volkanovski with a head kick. He's elite-

Travis Barker 1:10:40 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:10:40 ... on the feet. And then when it comes to the ground, there's no one like him. There's no one like him in the division, in any division. He's, he is a crusher. He just crushes people.

Travis Barker 1:10:51 Yeah. He's nasty.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 I mean, think about how good Charles Oliveira is, one of the greatest submission artists of all time. Islam got him down to the ground and just smushed him, just crushed him quickly. Just made him tap quick. It was incredible.

Travis Barker 1:11:04 Yeah, I thought that fight was gonna be more competitive.

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Everybody did.

Travis Barker 1:11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:07 Yeah. But that's how good Islam is, you know?

Travis Barker 1:11:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:10 And he's also a guy that, like, you cannot train harder than him. It's not humanly possible. So he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him. It's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has. I mean, he, the, those guys out of Dagestan are on a completely different level. I mean, there, there is a entire room filled with absolute savages, and they're just g- getting after it every day, full discipline. No one drinks, no one parties, no one does everything. They pray five times a day. They're super religious, and they're just driven.

Travis Barker 1:11:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 And, you know, he, he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that. It's gonna be a fun weekend.

Travis Barker 1:11:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 That main event is very tricky, 'cause Ian can move, man. He's a really slick guy, really tall, and he's also very fast and long, so he's gonna have a significant height and reach advantage. He's gonna be moving all over the place, landing, and it, if Islam is not careful in how he engages, he could get caught, and you can only get caught by a guy like Ian a couple of times, if at all, you know-

Travis Barker 1:12:25 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:12:25 ... before you're in trouble. So it should be very interesting. Those are the kind of fights I love, that are a puzzle.

Travis Barker 1:12:32 Yeah, it's like styles make fights.

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 Oh, yeah.

Travis Barker 1:12:33 With that one, that's, like, a great example, like.

Joe Rogan 1:12:36 Yes. And it's also, Ian has this insane confidence. He has this insane belief that he's special, that, you know, this is his destiny, and that, you know, I mean, he's, it looks like that at every weigh-in. It looks like that at every stare down. It looks like that at every press conference. Like, he, this is his destiny.

Travis Barker 1:12:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 He really believes that. Which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have, like, almost a delusional belief in themselves.

Travis Barker 1:13:01 Yeah. I saw an interview where he was, he actually said, um, he believes in the balance, uh, with his family, with, with every part of his life, where most fighters will only focus on fighting during the eight to 10 weeks they're fighting-

Joe Rogan 1:13:20 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:13:20 ... or they're training. And he's like, "No, I actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great.

Joe Rogan 1:13:26 Mm.

Travis Barker 1:13:26 So I believe in more balance than imbalance."

Joe Rogan 1:13:30 I think it-

Travis Barker 1:13:30 Which is interesting

Joe Rogan 1:13:31 ... depends entirely on the person, and also depends entirely on w- What does your family look like?

Travis Barker 1:13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:38 You know, what is the relationship with your wife and your children like? Is it harmonious? And is it, do, do you get love from it, and strength, and inspiration? Or is there chaos? Is there, like, arguing all the time, and bickering, and pettiness-

Travis Barker 1:13:51 True

Joe Rogan 1:13:52 ... and bullshit, and-

Travis Barker 1:13:52 Like the, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:13:53 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:13:53 ... Mark Kerr fight, the, the movie?

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Mark Kerr, yeah.

Travis Barker 1:13:55 Mark Kerr fight.

Joe Rogan 1:13:55 The Smashing Machine. Yeah. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:13:56 Oh my God, when she's fighting, when she's squabbling with him right before he goes out to fucking fight, I was like, "Ah." I was like, "Oh, I could feel for him."

Joe Rogan 1:14:04 Oh, dude, I've seen that before.

Travis Barker 1:14:05 Can't imagine.

Joe Rogan 1:14:05 I've seen that with-

Travis Barker 1:14:06 Oh

Joe Rogan 1:14:06 ... multiple fighters. Multiple... I know one guy who, uh, during the night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with him. Like, huge fights. Like, because she didn't like that this one thing, fighting, was more important to him than her. She wanted to be the entire focus of his attention, and when there was this thing that was taking away, she was a complete narcissist, th- this thing that was taking away from his attention to her, she would sabotage it. So, she would start fights. She would storm out of the hotel room, slam the door, and just be gone, shut her phone off. And here he is-

Travis Barker 1:14:41 That's evil [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:14:42 ... freaking out, and he's got a fight for the world title in, you know, whatever, 20 hours.

Travis Barker 1:14:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:47 And he's, he's dealing with this nonsense. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:14:50 It's the worst.

Joe Rogan 1:14:52 So, that's wh-

Travis Barker 1:14:52 I can't, I can't imagine.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 Well, I think that's why some guys, they'd rather take that isolated approach. They just, they would rather just do the Spartan thing, and just be alone in camp, and sleep on a cot, and wake up in the morning and run, and just live this, like, very hard six to eight-week life.

Travis Barker 1:15:12 I feel that part. Like, I can't even, even leading up to shows, I can't be too comfortable.

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 Really?

Travis Barker 1:15:17 Oh, no. Like, I can't get a massage before I go play or be chilling in my hotel room. I need to be uncomfortable.

Joe Rogan 1:15:23 Really?

Travis Barker 1:15:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:24 Why is that?

Travis Barker 1:15:28 I don't know. I- it's just, uh, it's all I've known, too, you know? It's like that, I don't know, I came up, like, lugging my own gear around, setting up my drums, and then waiting for the show to start. And I don't, I can't just watch a movie before I play or wake up from a nap. It's just, it's just not in me. I'm up jump roping. I'm up, like, watching fights. I'm up going for a run, practicing, learning something new. That's the best head space for me to be in.

Joe Rogan 1:15:54 Well, I would imagine what, w- the difference between drumming and, I think, any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical. It's so physical that it's like a workout. Like, you, you have to be in shape to drum. You have to.

Travis Barker 1:16:07 Yeah, I c-

Joe Rogan 1:16:08 The movement

Travis Barker 1:16:08 ... I can't feel sluggish. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:16:09 Right

Travis Barker 1:16:10 ... I, I don't know. I'm, I'm a fucking weirdo, though. I'm, like, worried about, like, what I eat. Like, do I have enough energy? Have I... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:16:17 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:16:18 I, yeah, and just jump roping r-

Joe Rogan 1:16:20 Well, there's also-

Travis Barker 1:16:21 ... right, right before I play

Joe Rogan 1:16:22 ... dialing it in, right? And knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had. You've had so many experiences, so many performances that you can just dial it in. I think that in that way it's very similar to fighting, is that every fighter has to have their own approach. And Ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time, and Islam Makhachev's approach is very different. It's, like, Spartan, all those guys together. You eat and train with the guys. Just separate yourself from everything.

Travis Barker 1:16:50 Yeah. It's super personal.

Joe Rogan 1:16:52 Yeah. It's gotta be personal-

Travis Barker 1:16:53 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:16:53 ... because everybody's got a different, everyone has a different personality, different mindset, different, different triggers, different things that fuck with them, different things that calm them down, you know?

Travis Barker 1:17:04 Yeah. Also, I have all these weird, whatever, where I'm jump roping, running, practicing for hours before I go on stage, and then there's the times where everything, I get thrown a curve ball, and I get to the venue five minutes before, and I can go up and do it, like, like, n- no problem.

Joe Rogan 1:17:22 Mm.

Travis Barker 1:17:22 Because I think I've done all this other preparation.

Joe Rogan 1:17:25 Right.

Travis Barker 1:17:25 It's like, I also know it works without it.

Joe Rogan 1:17:27 Yeah. Right. You're always ready. Stay ready so you're always ready.

Travis Barker 1:17:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:32 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:17:33 I live by that.

Joe Rogan 1:17:33 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:17:34 Stay ready so you don't have to get ready.

Joe Rogan 1:17:36 Yeah. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:17:36 That's, that's the-

Joe Rogan 1:17:38 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:17:38 ... that's the goal.

Joe Rogan 1:17:39 Yeah. Well, fighters have that, too. Because the-

Travis Barker 1:17:41 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:17:41 ... fighters that get, like, really out of shape in between fights, they're the ones that really struggle, because-

Travis Barker 1:17:47 Like Paddy.

Joe Rogan 1:17:48 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:17:48 Where you see him blow up, like, a week later. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 Yeah, but-

Travis Barker 1:17:51 ... is that even the same person?

Joe Rogan 1:17:51 Paddy, it's a little deceptive.

Travis Barker 1:17:53 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:17:54 Paddy gets fat, but he doesn't get out of shape.

Travis Barker 1:17:57 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:17:57 Paddy's got incredible endurance and an insane work ethic, but he also really loves to live and live life. You know? So, have a few beers, eat some pizza, get fat. But he still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody. Like-

Travis Barker 1:18:15 Wow

Joe Rogan 1:18:16 ... it's, there's no way you're in the kinda shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time. So, even when he gets fat, it's just eating.

Travis Barker 1:18:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:25 He's just eating piles of food. I'm sure if you, if I'm sure when you see him with his big moon face, if he got to the gym and worked out, you'd be like, "Fuck."

Travis Barker 1:18:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:33 He's-

Travis Barker 1:18:33 Still a beast. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:18:34 Yeah. It's not like he's gonna be exhausted and lying on his back after one round in the bag. Nah, like-

Travis Barker 1:18:39 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:18:40 ... he's, it's only fat.

Travis Barker 1:18:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:43 You know? And then he's got the d- and then there's also this part of the discipline of the weight cut is, like, this locking in and focusing, where you're measuring all your food, and, like, there's, there's a certain, like, shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped. And he goes from being fat to ripped.

Travis Barker 1:19:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:04 I mean, he does it better than anybody. 'Cause everyone looks at him like, "Oh, that guy's never gonna make weight." And then he, he shows up at the weigh-ins shredded, chiseled.

Travis Barker 1:19:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:12 And you're like, "Okay."

Travis Barker 1:19:12 I don't think I've seen anyone with a, as big of a transformation-

Joe Rogan 1:19:16 No

Travis Barker 1:19:17 ... in MMA.

Joe Rogan 1:19:17 No, his is beyond. And people love him for it, too. That's also part of the craziness of it. They celebrate it-

Travis Barker 1:19:23 I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:19:23 ... 'cause it's so silly. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:19:25 Yeah. He's so likable.

Joe Rogan 1:19:26 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:19:27 He's, he's, yeah, he's great.

Joe Rogan 1:19:29 So fucking skillful, too. What he did to Benoit Saint Denis was nuts. That-

Travis Barker 1:19:33 And his Gaethje fight-

Joe Rogan 1:19:34 ... that choke was insane

Travis Barker 1:19:34 ... was, like-

Joe Rogan 1:19:34 Oh, yeah.

Travis Barker 1:19:36 That was one of the best fights I've seen in person.

Joe Rogan 1:19:39 It was an awesome fight

Travis Barker 1:19:39 Just where I was like, "What the fuck just happened?" You know?

Joe Rogan 1:19:42 Well, you see what Gaethje just did to Ilia Topuria, and now you realize how fucking tough Paddy is.

Travis Barker 1:19:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:48 Paddy's tough. He's, he's silly, and he's playful, and he's a lot of fun, and everybody loves him, and he's all likable, and he's dancing around. But-

Travis Barker 1:19:56 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:19:56 ... when it gets down to it, that motherfucker is tough as nails.

Travis Barker 1:20:00 Yeah. Scary how, how quick that was.

Joe Rogan 1:20:02 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:20:03 And Gaethje's just, fuck. Thank God for him.

Joe Rogan 1:20:07 Yeah. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:20:07 Like, he's so... I, I was so, I was so happy.

Joe Rogan 1:20:11 Me too. It was incredible. And seeing him do that in the White House-

Travis Barker 1:20:15 Insane

Joe Rogan 1:20:15 ... on the lawn of the White House, and win the world title when everybody thought he... I mean, he was like a six to one underdog on some sports books.

Travis Barker 1:20:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:22 Which is nuts. I thought that was very disrespectful.

Travis Barker 1:20:25 I loved his interview with you.

Joe Rogan 1:20:26 I thought six to one was crazy. Yeah. It was great.

Travis Barker 1:20:27 And when he was like, "I couldn't, I couldn't let him fucking win, just based on what I n- how bad he was gonna disrespect me after he beat me."

Joe Rogan 1:20:36 Mm.

Travis Barker 1:20:37 "The shit he was gonna say on the mic or whatever."

Joe Rogan 1:20:39 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:20:39 I was like, "Nah, it wasn't gonna happen."

Joe Rogan 1:20:41 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:20:41 I, I love that. I love that.

Joe Rogan 1:20:43 Sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to o- ordinarily.

Travis Barker 1:20:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:20:51 But the thing about Gaethje is the, he has zero quit in him. You can't get him to quit. He's never going to quit. It's like you could break his body down, like Max Holloway did, and knock him unconscious, and there's nothing he can do about that. You get knocked unconscious-

Travis Barker 1:21:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:21:05 ... you're knocked unconscious. It's, you, it's just physical.

Travis Barker 1:21:08 Yeah, I've never seen, I, I've never seen Gaethje li- like that, you know, in the Max fight. That was-

Joe Rogan 1:21:12 No.

Travis Barker 1:21:13 And I love Max. And I just, yeah, that was, like, shocking.

Joe Rogan 1:21:17 Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. It was... That was, uh... And then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half, two years later, whatever it was, is-

Travis Barker 1:21:27 Sick

Joe Rogan 1:21:27 ... amazing.

Travis Barker 1:21:28 Yeah, sick story.

Joe Rogan 1:21:29 Yeah. It's a great sport, man. I mean, it's, there's nothing like it, in terms of, like, the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement. There's nothing like it. I think the last time I saw you was at a UFC at the Apex. I think that's the last time we ran into each other.

Travis Barker 1:21:45 Oh, when, uh, Ngannou and, um, Stipe fought.

Joe Rogan 1:21:48 Was that what it was?

Travis Barker 1:21:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:21:50 Wow. Wasn't that crazy?

Travis Barker 1:21:52 Oh, being in that small venue when that happened-

Joe Rogan 1:21:55 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:21:55 ... was, like...

Joe Rogan 1:21:56 Small venue, no audience.

Travis Barker 1:21:58 Quiet.

Joe Rogan 1:21:59 There was probably, like, maybe 50 people in the whole room.

Travis Barker 1:22:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:22:03 Maybe 100 in the whole room.

Travis Barker 1:22:05 You could hear a needle drop too-

Joe Rogan 1:22:06 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:22:06 ... when it happened. I think that's the first fight I took my wife to, and she was like, "What?" Like-

Joe Rogan 1:22:11 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:22:11 ... yeah. Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:22:13 That was a devastating fight, too, and there was also, you have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon. So, the Apex, for people that don't know, has an octagon that I think is 30 or 40% smaller.

Travis Barker 1:22:26 Damn, is it that much smaller?

Joe Rogan 1:22:27 Yeah. How much smaller is... Let's put that into Perplexity, ask it, how much smaller is the UFC Apex octagon versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas?

Travis Barker 1:22:39 And you're trapped in there with Francis [laughs] .

Joe Rogan 1:22:40 Exactly. Exactly. And also, Francis looking for revenge.

Travis Barker 1:22:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:45 'Cause this is, Stipe beat Francis in his first loss. Okay. 30%. 30%. 30% less space.

Travis Barker 1:22:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:22:53 That's a lot, man. 30% is crazy. So, you could see the images there. The, when you see the Apex next to the, the big one, the pay-per-view one, like, that is a, a lot of space.

Travis Barker 1:23:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:05 And you're just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived, and you can't move. You know?

Travis Barker 1:23:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:13 There's not a lot of movement. A lot of people like that, because it's kind of, you know, forces action. But I think the space provides more of a canvas, you know, no pun intended, for them to paint their masterpiece. You gotta be able to have angles to get out, and if you're just constrained by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if that object wasn't there you could move to the side, move in, and counter. You know, like, think like when Sugar Sean O'Malley knocked out Aljamain Sterling, and Aljamain is pressing forward. Now, if the cage was closer, he wouldn't have been able to move back as far. It, like, con- it, it cuts off a lot of the possibilities.

Travis Barker 1:23:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:56 Cuts off a lot of things.

Travis Barker 1:23:58 That was another shocker, right?

Joe Rogan 1:24:00 Oh, it was amazing.

Travis Barker 1:24:01 [exhales] Yeah. Sean's great.

Joe Rogan 1:24:02 When Sean did that at the White House and saluted when he knocked out that guy, and then-

Travis Barker 1:24:06 And the walk-off

Joe Rogan 1:24:07 ... the walk-off, and then saluted.

Travis Barker 1:24:08 Oh, hard.

Joe Rogan 1:24:09 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:24:09 So hard.

Joe Rogan 1:24:10 And he said he envisioned it.

Travis Barker 1:24:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:12 Which is even cooler. Like, he saw it in his mind.

Travis Barker 1:24:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:24:15 That that's what he was gonna do.

Travis Barker 1:24:18 Yeah, that was great. He had actually... We were texting back and forth. He's like, "I need to knock him out." And I was like, when it happened, I was like, "Oh, that's-"

Joe Rogan 1:24:25 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:24:25 ... "that's just, like, right off into the sunset." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:24:28 Well, in his position, he really needed something spec- special, because Merab versus Petr Yan wasn't formula- w- wasn't form- formally announced yet, and it was thought, like, maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot at the title because he has a victor over Petr Yan.

Travis Barker 1:24:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:46 That didn't come to be. Uh, so now Petr Yan and Merab are having a rematch, and after that rematch, m- if I had to guess, it's most likely gonna be Sean fighting for the title again. To put-

Travis Barker 1:24:59 And he has that win over Petr, so that's enticing, right?

Joe Rogan 1:25:02 He does. But he doesn't have a win over Merab.

Travis Barker 1:25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:04 So, if Merab wins the title again, he's gonna be like, "Fuck!"

Travis Barker 1:25:07 Yeah, it's like you said, style make-

Joe Rogan 1:25:09 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:25:09 ... styles make fights. That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:25:10 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:25:10 Fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 1:25:11 I mean, it doesn't mean that he can't beat Merab. I mean, I think Sean could beat anybody, but it's just he's got to figure out whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle, that is that little Georgian Tasmanian Devil that never gets tired.

Travis Barker 1:25:27 Yeah. Just, he's like the Energizer Rabbit, like, just keeps going.

Joe Rogan 1:25:31 Dude, have you ever seen what Merab's face looks like when they did, like, an X-ray of his face, an MRI?

Travis Barker 1:25:37 No.

Joe Rogan 1:25:37 With his broken nose?

Travis Barker 1:25:38 No.

Joe Rogan 1:25:39 It might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life. I would-

Travis Barker 1:25:42 Did he say he's not gonna get it fixed? He's not gonna get it fixed?

Joe Rogan 1:25:43 He's not gonna get it fixed.

Travis Barker 1:25:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:44 'Cause then he'll have to take a year off of fighting Not only a year off of fighting, I don't think he can even spar for a long time. So he can't... That's what his nose looks like.

Travis Barker 1:25:54 Whoa. Yo, it looks like... Do you know who Pushead is?

Joe Rogan 1:25:57 No.

Travis Barker 1:25:58 Okay, Pushead's the illest artist ever. He did, like, Misfits. He did, like, Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell me that doesn't look like-

Joe Rogan 1:26:06 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:26:07 That looks like Merab's face. The r- r- top right, right there. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:26:10 [laughs] Oh, 100%,

Travis Barker 1:26:10 So he's the illest. He did, like, Zorlac Skateboarding, did a bunch of Thrasher stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:26:15 Wow. Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:26:16 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:26:16 [laughs] Dude.

Travis Barker 1:26:17 Exactly. We gotta... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:20 That's-

Travis Barker 1:26:20 Merab's gotta do, uh, a skull T-shirt or some kind of merch with that. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:26:24 Dude, look at... He sh- totally should. That should be his, like-

Travis Barker 1:26:27 Damn

Joe Rogan 1:26:27 ... logo. Look at that nose, man. Look at the break of the bone, how hard it's turned towards his right eye. I mean, it's really insane. I mean, he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose.

Travis Barker 1:26:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:40 His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has.

Travis Barker 1:26:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:48 Look at his nose. I mean, it's crazy. The twist in that thing is fucking insane. I mean, it's like-

Travis Barker 1:26:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:26:55 ... it covers part of his vision. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:26:58 Yeah. I feel like he's w- he's been out, what? Six, seven months now?

Joe Rogan 1:27:03 It's been a while.

Travis Barker 1:27:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27:04 Um-

Travis Barker 1:27:05 I would've s-

Joe Rogan 1:27:05 It's been a while since he fought again. I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Petr, and now they're gonna have a rematch. And so-

Travis Barker 1:27:11 And what, he had r- defended the belt three times in that year-

Joe Rogan 1:27:13 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:27:13 ... right?

Joe Rogan 1:27:14 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:27:14 That's a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:27:15 I think it was three times. Yeah, well, it, it was definitely his, uh, strength of schedule was h- was tough 'cause, uh, you know, you're going through these camps, you have these brutal weight cuts. It's like your body gets worn out.

Travis Barker 1:27:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27:26 And, uh, but then there's also Petr Yan, who had fought Merab before and lost to him, and realized what was necessary to beat the guy, and b- fought a perfect fight.

Travis Barker 1:27:37 Yeah, that performance was amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:27:39 Yan is a fucking assassin too, man. He's a scary guy. He's a ruthless, mean, technical, vicious guy, and now he al- he knows that he can beat Merab, so it's gonna be interesting to see, like, who makes the adjustments in the rematch.

Travis Barker 1:27:53 When is... Is that happening? Is that scheduled, the Merab fight?

Joe Rogan 1:27:58 I think it is. I don't know when it is, but, uh, I'm, I'm 90% sure that they've scheduled that fight. That might be Salt Lake City. Is that the Salt Lake City fight?

Travis Barker 1:28:12 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:28:12 I don't know, but it's exciting.

Travis Barker 1:28:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:15 Yeah. It's a, it's a great time for the sport. I mean, the sport is, uh, it's on fire right now.

Travis Barker 1:28:19 It only says TBD.

Joe Rogan 1:28:21 TBD.

Travis Barker 1:28:22 But-

Joe Rogan 1:28:22 But it is announced?

Travis Barker 1:28:23 No. I mean, no, the Salt Lake City has a TBD for that one there.

Joe Rogan 1:28:26 Oh. But does... If you look up Merab versus-

Travis Barker 1:28:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:28:30 ... Petr Yan 2-

Travis Barker 1:28:31 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:28:31 ... does it say where it's happening?

Travis Barker 1:28:33 Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm looking at, and it doesn't have anything popping up. I'll, I'll find-

Joe Rogan 1:28:38 I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening.

Travis Barker 1:28:40 LA card, it looks crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:28:42 Yeah. You going?

Travis Barker 1:28:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:43 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:28:43 I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:28:44 That should be fun.

Travis Barker 1:28:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:28:46 Do, are you... How f- are you touring right now at all? Like, what's going on?

Travis Barker 1:28:51 Nah, I'm, I'm just in the studio this year.

Joe Rogan 1:28:53 Oh, okay.

Travis Barker 1:28:53 Just finished-

Joe Rogan 1:28:54 That's nice

Travis Barker 1:28:54 ... uh, writing and producing a few albums, and then was finishing this doc.

Joe Rogan 1:29:00 So what is the LA card right now? It's Pantoja-

Travis Barker 1:29:03 Um

Joe Rogan 1:29:03 ... versus Joshua Van.

Travis Barker 1:29:04 Yeah, I'm seeing a post that says it's reported to happen in Abu Dhabi in October.

Joe Rogan 1:29:08 Oh, the rematch with-

Travis Barker 1:29:10 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:29:10 ... Petr Yan and-

Travis Barker 1:29:11 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:29:11 ... Merab?

Travis Barker 1:29:11 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:29:11 Okay. That sounds r- that makes sense. That'd be a good one for Abu Dhabi. Yeah. Yeah, the LA card's gonna be sick.

Travis Barker 1:29:19 Oh, it's gonna be so good.

Joe Rogan 1:29:20 So it's, it's, uh, Arman Tsarukyan versus, uh, Mauricio Huete. That's gonna be insane.

Travis Barker 1:29:27 Moicano versus, uh, Ortega. Right?

Joe Rogan 1:29:30 That's this weekend.

Travis Barker 1:29:31 Jan. Oh, sorry, which one did you want?

Joe Rogan 1:29:33 Um, the LA card.

Travis Barker 1:29:34 Oh, my bad. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:29:35 No worries

Travis Barker 1:29:39 ... um.

Joe Rogan 1:29:40 Uh, dun, dun. That's it. Yeah, so the rematch between Joshua Van and Pantoja.

Travis Barker 1:29:45 Dude, I can't wait to see what happens in that one.

Joe Rogan 1:29:48 Yeah, man, that Pantoja arm break was such a bummer-

Travis Barker 1:29:51 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:29:52 ... to have him fall back like that. Yeah, Moicano versus Brian Ortega. Yeah, it should be fun. Gable Stevenson again.

Travis Barker 1:30:01 Chito.

Joe Rogan 1:30:01 Yeah. Against Charles Jourdain. Yeah, should be fun. LA crowds are always fun too 'cause UFC doesn't get to LA very often. It, it's always pretty hyped up.

Travis Barker 1:30:13 Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to LA. I love Vegas, but something about LA, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:30:18 You still like living there?

Travis Barker 1:30:19 Los Angeles?

Joe Rogan 1:30:20 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:30:20 Yeah, I, I love it. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:30:22 Do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic?

Travis Barker 1:30:28 Yeah. I, I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past Desoto.

Joe Rogan 1:30:33 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:30:34 That's, that's the goal. That's, like, my living is, is wake up with, you know, with my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well, I, I actually, I just bought a, um, a garage where I keep all my cars. So some days-

Joe Rogan 1:30:49 Oh, nice

Travis Barker 1:30:49 ... I'll, I'll leave my house. It's a, it's a three-mile run. I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my old school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day.

Joe Rogan 1:31:00 Oh, that's nice.

Travis Barker 1:31:01 I don't drive past Desoto.

Joe Rogan 1:31:03 That's nice.

Travis Barker 1:31:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:04 Yeah, if you could do that and avoid the, the real chaos, the, the, the center of the hive of LA.

Travis Barker 1:31:11 Yeah. Once in a while I'll, I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's, a show or, or something that, you know, me and the wife wanna do or me and the kids, but other than that, I... Studio, home, studio, home, train.

Joe Rogan 1:31:25 Smart.

Travis Barker 1:31:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:27 Yeah, that's definitely a better life. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:31:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:30 I have friends that live in the heart of it, like, in West Hollywood. I'm like, "What is it like?" They're like, "It's not the same."

Travis Barker 1:31:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:36 It's not the same. It's just-

Travis Barker 1:31:38 Yeah. I couldn't do it. The days I'm in the city, I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit. You know, like, I'll go to Crossroads, I'll go do whatever, but it's rare.

Joe Rogan 1:31:48 Yeah. I can only imagine.

Travis Barker 1:31:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31:51 Did you ever think about getting out?

Travis Barker 1:31:53 I don't know if I could do it yet. I think, like, for what I do, you know, besides, like, playing in Blink or touring, when I'm home, I'll get a call and they'll say, "Hey, hey, can we come by the studio? I wanna make this with you. I want you to play drums on this." Uh, I'll see Game walking in my neighborhood, "Trav, I need you on this record," blah, blah, blah. I just, there's so much that happens right there for me. Um, I think there'll come a time where I don't need to be there, but right now I feel like I'm in demand, and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff, and I'm recording a bunch of stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:32:28 Mm.

Travis Barker 1:32:29 So it makes sense for me. But-

Joe Rogan 1:32:30 Do you ever have some thought about, like, living in the country and retiring somewhere and just, like, laying back?

Travis Barker 1:32:37 Yeah, we, we were on tour and there was a huge storm in Nashville area. So we were in Franklin for a few days, Franklin, Tennessee, and we immediately started looking at houses. We're like-

Joe Rogan 1:32:51 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:32:52 ... "This is, we gotta go here." But we, we kinda do that everywhere we go. You know, we... You know, you travel, you go on vacation, you're like-

Joe Rogan 1:32:59 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:32:59 ... "We wanna live here. We wanna get a spot here." But I do, I do love Southern California. Uh, we have a spot up north, like in Santa Barbara. I lo- I love Santa Barbara as well. Um, I love the desert.

Joe Rogan 1:33:11 Santa Barbara's awesome.

Travis Barker 1:33:12 I feel like moving around in Southern California keeps things fresh, like going to the desert for a week or a few days-

Joe Rogan 1:33:18 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:33:18 ... going to Santa Barbara, and then during the week staying in Calabasas or, like, Los Angeles and, you know, working out of there.

Joe Rogan 1:33:26 The Montecito area is insane.

Travis Barker 1:33:28 Yeah, Montecito's amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:33:28 So gorgeous.

Travis Barker 1:33:30 And I also feel like the desert, like Coachella out there is, uh, you feel like you're in a different world. You feel much further away from LA and all the chaos th- than you are.

Joe Rogan 1:33:40 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:33:40 It's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:33:41 Yeah, no doubt. I mean, how many people have gone out to the desert just to try to find themselves?

Travis Barker 1:33:46 Yeah. True.

Joe Rogan 1:33:47 It's, it's a very unique environment out there.

Travis Barker 1:33:50 Yeah. Just-

Joe Rogan 1:33:51 Kinda weird that they decided to put music festivals out there.

Travis Barker 1:33:54 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:33:55 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:33:55 It's wild. You know, one of my best friends, I, when I, when I left home at, uh, at around, like, 16, 17, my dad had given me a couple options to, uh... He said, "Join the military like me, start paying rent, or take off." So I took off, right? Uh, was a trashman in Laguna Beach for a while, then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold. He had this, this promoting company called 98 Posse, and he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything, and he ended up starting Coachella. And-

Joe Rogan 1:34:27 Oh, wow

Travis Barker 1:34:28 ... he's just been... He was obsessed, like what we talked about earlier. He was one of those people that were obsessed and, uh, and I watched him build this amazing festival and yeah, he's just pretty, pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella is, it's crickets the, all the rest of the year. There's nothing. It gets so hot. It's 115. Most businesses close down halfway, you know, through the day. They're open for the morning. And then when Coachella happens, the, uh, the city thrives and it's just, you know, chaos.

Joe Rogan 1:35:02 Are they happy with that?

Travis Barker 1:35:03 I-

Joe Rogan 1:35:03 That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people.

Travis Barker 1:35:07 I, I don't know. I don't own a business out there, but I bet for everyone that's struggling when it's 115, 120 and no one's coming out of the house-

Joe Rogan 1:35:16 Right

Travis Barker 1:35:17 ... I feel like they're almost... Like, Coachella saves them. Like, the festival saves everybody.

Joe Rogan 1:35:23 Oh, definitely, just the volume of people in the town.

Travis Barker 1:35:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35:26 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:35:26 The volume of people that comes through I think saves all the businesses-

Joe Rogan 1:35:29 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:35:29 ... for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:35:29 For sure if you have a business. Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:35:30 When we're out there and it's not, like, the season or whatever they call it, and it's considered too hot, most businesses are open from 9:00 to 1:00 PM.

Joe Rogan 1:35:38 That drive out to the desert, though, is like, uh, like, better make sure your air conditioning works.

Travis Barker 1:35:43 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:35:43 And no old school cars.

Travis Barker 1:35:45 No.

Joe Rogan 1:35:45 Don't be taking none-

Travis Barker 1:35:46 No

Joe Rogan 1:35:46 ... of your old school cars on that trip.

Travis Barker 1:35:48 Well, don't... The only thing I've driven from LA to La Quinta out there is, uh... Have you ever heard of, uh, Velocity?

Joe Rogan 1:35:59 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:35:59 Um, I got a K5 from them.

Joe Rogan 1:36:01 Oh, nice.

Travis Barker 1:36:02 And you could drive that out there. But nothing-

Joe Rogan 1:36:04 Tom Segura has one of those.

Travis Barker 1:36:05 Yeah, they're sick.

Joe Rogan 1:36:06 Yeah, he got one of their, their Blazers.

Travis Barker 1:36:08 They make such a great, uh, K5.

Joe Rogan 1:36:10 Mm-hmm. Yeah, he loves his.

Travis Barker 1:36:11 So good.

Joe Rogan 1:36:12 Yeah, they, they do sick stuff.

Travis Barker 1:36:13 I think I've seen his.

Joe Rogan 1:36:14 Yeah, it's brown.

Travis Barker 1:36:14 It's all black. Oh, it's brown?

Joe Rogan 1:36:15 It's brown.

Travis Barker 1:36:16 I'm color blind.

Joe Rogan 1:36:17 Are you really?

Travis Barker 1:36:18 I'm fucking severely color blind.

Joe Rogan 1:36:19 Wow.

Travis Barker 1:36:20 I have to ask my two and a half-year-old son what color things are sometimes. [laughs] That's how bad it is. Like, uh, I'll be like, "What c- what color's your favorite?" And then he'll tell me what color they are.

Joe Rogan 1:36:28 There's Tom's.

Travis Barker 1:36:29 Oh, sick.

Joe Rogan 1:36:29 Does that, does that look black to you?

Travis Barker 1:36:32 Kinda.

Joe Rogan 1:36:33 It's like... [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:36:33 Yeah. [laughs] That really looks black to me.

Joe Rogan 1:36:35 Yeah, well that's pretty dark.

Travis Barker 1:36:36 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:36:37 That's in the shadows. That's, like, back.

Travis Barker 1:36:38 I have a all-

Joe Rogan 1:36:39 That's what it looks like

Travis Barker 1:36:39 ... I have a all black one.

Joe Rogan 1:36:40 What a sick looking truck.

Travis Barker 1:36:43 So a lot of people build these K5s and they do resto mods.

Joe Rogan 1:36:46 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:36:46 But they, they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great or it's like a, it, it's, it's over... It's either overbuilt, or it, and it doesn't run great, or they do too much. Like, this isn't overdone.

Joe Rogan 1:37:01 Right.

Travis Barker 1:37:01 It's, they make the perfect resto mod.

Joe Rogan 1:37:03 It's reliable.

Travis Barker 1:37:03 Yeah, it's reliable.

Joe Rogan 1:37:05 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:37:05 Oh yeah, there's mine.

Joe Rogan 1:37:06 Oh, nice. Oh, you got it very old school looking. I love it.

Travis Barker 1:37:10 Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock.

Joe Rogan 1:37:13 It does.

Travis Barker 1:37:13 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:37:13 But-

Travis Barker 1:37:14 I have a couple K5s, but this is the Velocity one. I have a, I have a OG orange one with plaid interior that's a '72 that still has the, the old school engine in it and everything.

Joe Rogan 1:37:24 Oh, really?

Travis Barker 1:37:25 Mm-hmm. And it just stays in Palm Springs, and that's where we drive that one.

Joe Rogan 1:37:29 Does it have the old school brakes too?

Travis Barker 1:37:31 Nah.

Joe Rogan 1:37:31 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:37:31 No.

Joe Rogan 1:37:31 Fuck that. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:37:32 That's it right there.

Joe Rogan 1:37:33 Oh, nice.

Travis Barker 1:37:33 But see how it look, it looks like it shouldn't leave-

Joe Rogan 1:37:36 Yeah

Travis Barker 1:37:36 ... Palm Springs. It's, you know, my wife drives it a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:37:39 Oh, that's cool. Yeah, K5s are dope. I have a '72 Bronco from Icon.

Travis Barker 1:37:44 Sick. Icon was great.

Joe Rogan 1:37:46 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:37:46 They made a Blazer.

Joe Rogan 1:37:48 Yeah, they did.

Travis Barker 1:37:48 I almost bought it.

Joe Rogan 1:37:49 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:37:49 It was so good, and he's so cool. Is it John?

Joe Rogan 1:37:52 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:37:52 Yeah. I feel like he, he kinda set it all off.

Joe Rogan 1:37:55 Jonathan Ward? Yeah, look at that.

Travis Barker 1:37:56 Oh, that's the one. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:37:57 Wow.

Travis Barker 1:37:57 So I built, I built that with, uh, Delmo and a couple people around LA. I just took it from shop to shop. This was my version of a Velocity. But it-

Joe Rogan 1:38:06 That thing's sick

Travis Barker 1:38:07 ... it didn't drive as good as a Velocity Restorations car.

Joe Rogan 1:38:09 Well, it's also, you're so lifted.

Travis Barker 1:38:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:12 Like, the handling on that thing must be rough. Like, going around corners and shit.

Travis Barker 1:38:17 It was really cool. I was really proud of it.

Joe Rogan 1:38:19 It's beautiful.

Travis Barker 1:38:20 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:38:20 That's very cool looking. There's something about that iconic dis- design. There's something with the way those things look. Like, look at that. God, that looks awesome.

Travis Barker 1:38:29 I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks. Like, I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:38:33 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:38:33 ... "What? This is-"

Joe Rogan 1:38:34 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:38:34 "It doesn't get any better than this."

Joe Rogan 1:38:37 Yeah. It is a, there's a weird thing about old school cars. They just, they spark something in you.

Travis Barker 1:38:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38:44 They're, they're more excite... Like, I like new cars. I love new cars. They're cool, but they don't have the same feeling. There's something about those old schools that's just like, it's mechanical. Like, you're connected-

Travis Barker 1:38:55 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:38:55 ... to it, you know?

Travis Barker 1:38:56 Yeah. I mean, I, I'm a sucker for old Chevys and Cadillacs, and I have a bunch that's like-

Joe Rogan 1:39:02 How many cars do you have now?

Travis Barker 1:39:04 I think I have 12.

Joe Rogan 1:39:06 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:39:07 I have a lot of old school Impalas. I love old school Impalas.

Joe Rogan 1:39:09 Really?

Travis Barker 1:39:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:10 Like, '65s?

Travis Barker 1:39:11 I have a, a '59-

Joe Rogan 1:39:13 Oh, whoa

Travis Barker 1:39:14 ... Impala.

Joe Rogan 1:39:14 Real old school.

Travis Barker 1:39:15 Yeah. Yeah. I have a '62 wagon Impala, '63, um, uh, convertible Impala, '60 Cadillac, uh, GNX.

Joe Rogan 1:39:26 Bro, '60 Cadillacs were wild-

Travis Barker 1:39:28 Yeah. Oh, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:39:29 ... looking.

Travis Barker 1:39:29 It's so sick.

Joe Rogan 1:39:30 Do you have a picture of that thing?

Travis Barker 1:39:32 I think it might, it might be on the interweb somewhere. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:39:35 1960 Cadillacs were crazy.

Travis Barker 1:39:37 Oh, that's my old, that's my old 1960 Caddy. I used to have that one.

Joe Rogan 1:39:41 Oh, look at that thing.

Travis Barker 1:39:43 So cool.

Joe Rogan 1:39:43 That is wild. Good luck parking that anywhere.

Travis Barker 1:39:45 Yeah, nothing feels like that when you drive those cars.

Joe Rogan 1:39:48 Oh, I'd imagine. It's a boat. That feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary.

Travis Barker 1:39:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39:53 [laughs] Look how sick those are.

Travis Barker 1:39:55 That was my '53.

Joe Rogan 1:39:56 That's yours in the far right?

Travis Barker 1:39:58 These are all my, my, my cars in my collection from at some point-

Joe Rogan 1:40:01 Wow. Whoa

Travis Barker 1:40:02 ... of my life. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:03 So you're an old soul, dude.

Travis Barker 1:40:05 I am. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:40:06 You must be. There's something about you that connects with these things.

Travis Barker 1:40:10 Yeah. Old cars move, I don't know. I like the smell of 'em. I like everything.

Joe Rogan 1:40:18 They're just hard to maintain.

Travis Barker 1:40:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:40:19 You gotta have a really good man- mechanic.

Travis Barker 1:40:21 It's hard. Do you know what kind of feels old school that I got recently that, um, but that's new, is the Chevy Fox truck.

Joe Rogan 1:40:28 What is that?

Travis Barker 1:40:28 That thing's a fucking beast. Uh, see if you could pull it up. It's the Fox, the Fox Chevy Silverado.

Joe Rogan 1:40:36 Is this a new car that's-

Travis Barker 1:40:37 It, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:40:37 ... come out recently?

Travis Barker 1:40:38 ... it's Chevy's answer to the, the Raptor or the, the TRX.

Joe Rogan 1:40:43 Oh.

Travis Barker 1:40:43 That's mine right there.

Joe Rogan 1:40:44 Whoa.

Travis Barker 1:40:45 So it's usually, they usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:40:50 Oh

Travis Barker 1:40:51 ... so it's just, I think it has 6 or 700 horsepower. It has, like, Baja suspension. You could drive it anywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:40:59 Oh, so it's just like a Raptor.

Travis Barker 1:41:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:01 Uh, why do I not know about this? That's crazy. The Fox Factory Silverado.

Travis Barker 1:41:06 That's my a-

Joe Rogan 1:41:06 Oh, so it's Fox-

Travis Barker 1:41:07 That's my daily

Joe Rogan 1:41:08 ... Fox Shox.

Travis Barker 1:41:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:09 That's what it is. So Fox Shox did a collaboration with them?

Travis Barker 1:41:12 Yeah, the guts, like, you could literally jump this truck wherever the fuck you want.

Joe Rogan 1:41:16 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:41:16 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:41:17 So that's your daily driver.

Travis Barker 1:41:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:18 Yeah. I have a Raptor. I've, uh-

Travis Barker 1:41:20 I, I love the Raptors too

Joe Rogan 1:41:22 ... I have a, a Hennessy Raptor R.

Travis Barker 1:41:24 Oh, those are hard.

Joe Rogan 1:41:25 Yeah. [laughs] It's fun. That's a beautiful truck.

Travis Barker 1:41:29 Yeah. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:41:30 Yeah. There's, there's something about those kind of trucks too that's exciting. Thousand horsepower trucks are ridiculous. It's like, how do they... Look at that thing fly through the air.

Travis Barker 1:41:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:41:41 [laughs] It's so crazy. Do you ever take it on the dunes?

Travis Barker 1:41:45 I haven't yet. When they, when I bought it, they came out to, uh, they came out to the desert and brought a couple, and we just whipped 'em around the desert. And we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything, and they're like, "We'll even let you use one of your, our trucks, so we don't fuck up yours." So I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:41:59 Oh, that's nice

Travis Barker 1:42:00 ... "Appreciate that," [laughs] you know? Yeah. 'Cause it is all carbon fiber-

Joe Rogan 1:42:03 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:42:04 ... uh, fenders. It's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 1:42:06 Yeah, so they stretched it out and widened the wheel base and everything.

Travis Barker 1:42:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:42:09 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:42:10 And you can't even buy 'em in the States. Like, you have to, uh... I mean, in California, you have to, I had to ship it from Vegas 'cause of all of the, the extras, 'cause it's supercharged.

Joe Rogan 1:42:22 So California won't let you buy it?

Travis Barker 1:42:24 Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:42:25 Oh, God.

Travis Barker 1:42:25 I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else.

Joe Rogan 1:42:29 Oh, that sucks.

Travis Barker 1:42:29 Yeah. But-

Joe Rogan 1:42:31 What a goofy fucking state

Travis Barker 1:42:32 ... but I'm, yeah, super happy with it. It's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:42:34 We are, uh, doing another studio, and we're gonna do a studio at the Circuit of the Americas racetrack.

Travis Barker 1:42:41 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:42:42 And so-

Travis Barker 1:42:43 Like this?

Joe Rogan 1:42:44 Uh-huh.

Travis Barker 1:42:44 Cool.

Joe Rogan 1:42:45 Yeah, exactly. At that place, that racetrack.

Travis Barker 1:42:48 Sick.

Joe Rogan 1:42:48 So, which is in Austin. And so what we're gonna do is have it set up where you're gonna be able to go around the track. We'll, we'll, you know, do some laps, and then pull in, and then have a podcast.

Travis Barker 1:42:58 Cool.

Joe Rogan 1:42:59 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:42:59 I love that.

Joe Rogan 1:43:00 Which would be great, 'cause it, you'll... I feel like for your mind, your mind will be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a racetrack that you'll, you'll come in, you'll be like, "Ah!"

Travis Barker 1:43:09 Oh, ready to go.

Joe Rogan 1:43:10 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:43:10 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:43:10 It'll be really fun.

Travis Barker 1:43:11 'Cause I bet some people rile themselves up, like, to come up in here and get really nervous or, like, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:43:17 Yeah, some people do.

Travis Barker 1:43:18 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:43:19 Yeah. Well, you've done it a bunch. You, you, and you and I have talked and hung out before, so it's like, it's easy.

Travis Barker 1:43:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:24 But for some people, it's like, doing anything that's got a lot of views gets 'em weirded out. It's hard.

Travis Barker 1:43:29 Yeah. Yeah. I think you were honestly one of, like, the first podcasts I did, besides, like, Rich Roll, um, back in the day, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:38 How's Rich doing?

Travis Barker 1:43:39 He's great.

Joe Rogan 1:43:39 Is he okay?

Travis Barker 1:43:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43:40 He was, he had some health issues, right?

Travis Barker 1:43:42 I think, I think he just had, like, a, a back surgery or something.

Joe Rogan 1:43:46 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:43:47 But, uh, he's all... man, he's so cool. Uh, he reached out, I mean, he just reached out a couple days ago saying, "I, I lo- I love your doc, and I'd really love to talk to you again." So I'll definitely visit him. Um, but when I was, when I started my running journey, he had reached out and was like, "Anything you need."

Joe Rogan 1:44:02 Oh, that's cool.

Travis Barker 1:44:02 Yeah. He was, he's just-

Joe Rogan 1:44:03 Super nice guy

Travis Barker 1:44:04 ... always been so cool.

Joe Rogan 1:44:05 Yeah. Very, very nice guy. But yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems, and I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems, and I hear they had surgery.

Travis Barker 1:44:13 It was a week ago.

Joe Rogan 1:44:14 Oh, he looks fucking great.

Travis Barker 1:44:15 Yeah. Looks like he's healthy.

Joe Rogan 1:44:17 Bro.

Travis Barker 1:44:17 Yeah. He looks fucking great.

Joe Rogan 1:44:17 Fucking shredded.

Travis Barker 1:44:20 I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time, you're bound to have some type of injury too.

Joe Rogan 1:44:25 The back thing-

Travis Barker 1:44:26 Right

Joe Rogan 1:44:26 ... scares me though when people get surgery, because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably gonna be better for most people.

Travis Barker 1:44:33 Yeah. You know-

Joe Rogan 1:44:33 Depending upon the situation, of course

Travis Barker 1:44:35 ... I broke my back in four places in my accident.

Joe Rogan 1:44:39 Oh, Jesus.

Travis Barker 1:44:39 And I didn't know about it, 'cause I was laid out in a burn center for six months, and I never got any surgeries. Like, my doctor exactly said what you just said. He's like, "You healed perfect. Like, it's, me doing surgery, I can't guarantee you'd be in a better place than you are now."

Joe Rogan 1:44:56 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:44:56 So.

Joe Rogan 1:44:57 I have friends that have had back surgery, and they have gotten better because of the back surgery, but I also have a lot of friends that got back surgery, and they never were the same again.

Travis Barker 1:45:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45:07 And they had to get another back surgery, and then another one, and they have nerve damage, then their arms go numb, and then they have atrophy in their limbs, and...

Travis Barker 1:45:16 Surgery's sketch. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:45:17 Well, it can be, but there's other ways around it when it comes to, like, disc issues, and this is one of the things that I try to highlight to people. There's PRP, there's, there's, uh, a place in, uh, LA in Santa Monica called, uh, Lifecycle. Is that it? They, but they do something called Regenokine. And Regenokine is, uh, a type of... I've gone to them a bunch of times. How can I not remember the name of it? Isn't it Lifecycle? Lifecycle Santa Monica?

Travis Barker 1:45:47 Lifespan.

Joe Rogan 1:45:47 What's that? Lifespan. Lifespan, sorry. Lifespan Santa Monica. Lifespan Medicine. Phenomenal place. Uh, shout out to Moshe, my friend there. Um, but they, uh, do PRP, but it's a different kind of P- it's called Regenokine, and what they do is they take your blood, uh, they pull it out of your body, they spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it, and then they reinject it into you the next day, into the discs. And it's an insanely potent anti-inflammatory agent. And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs, where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where, um, I was getting numbness in my fingers.

Travis Barker 1:46:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:46:27 Yeah, all from jujitsu.

Travis Barker 1:46:28 Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:46:29 And, uh, it was really b- getting me to the point where I was like, "I don't think I can train anymore." Like, every time I train, I'm in agony. Like, I, and it keeps getting worse. And I would go to a chiropractor, and he, he was full of shit, and they, they weren't helping me at all. And then, uh, this Regenokine thing and, like, within a week I started feeling better. Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more tingling in my fingers, and then within a couple of months after that, I was fully healed. I got another MRI. My disc had come completely gone back in place.

Travis Barker 1:46:57 Wow, that's game changing.

Joe Rogan 1:46:58 Yeah. Because it was pulling... It was pushing out and pressing against the nerve, and it was causing pain, like, nerve pain in my elbow, and in my... It was the ulnar nerve, same nerve that you were talking about the other-

Travis Barker 1:47:08 Scary, right?

Joe Rogan 1:47:09 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:47:09 When you start getting-

Joe Rogan 1:47:10 Uh-huh

Travis Barker 1:47:10 ... like, tingly feelings in your fingers and you can't feel them.

Joe Rogan 1:47:13 Yeah. It was also-

Travis Barker 1:47:15 It's the worst

Joe Rogan 1:47:15 ... one of these things where I was like, "Okay, I think I might be done with jujitsu. Like, this is a real problem." But I got back into it because of this. So the Regenokine fixed that.

Travis Barker 1:47:24 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:47:25 And then I've also had stem cells now. Like, stem cells can, especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything, and that they're using state-of-the-art stem cell technology. Like, uh, there's a lot of places that you have to go out of the country, like CPI down in Mexico.

Travis Barker 1:47:41 That's what I was gonna ask you. Is there places in the States now?

Joe Rogan 1:47:44 Ways to Well. Ways to Well right here in Austin is the best place I've ever been to. Um, I haven't been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results with Ways to Well, and I've brought a bunch of people in that have had pheno- like, we just brought Jon Jones in recently. He, he's got hip problems. His hip feels much better, he said. Uh, we brought a bunch of MMA fighters in. Aljamain Sterling, who was just here a couple days ago, he was there at Ways to Well on Monday. And so Ways to Well is, like, my friend Brigham, who runs it, is, it's literally, like, state of the art. Whatever the fucking science is at the moment, he's on top of it. And they've got hyperbaric chambers. They've got red light therapy. They've got every-

Travis Barker 1:48:22 Wow

Joe Rogan 1:48:23 ... um, every single method of treating injuries and recovery. They, they're always on top of everything. They have a full gym down there. It's really sick. It's an awesome place. But for you, uh, being, you know, either when you're out here, if you ever wanna get treated, if there's something wrong, if you have an injury, you could definitely go to here to Ways to Well, but you could also go to Tijuana. Like, Tijuana, where, uh, the CPI is, that's the place that has the... They have a partnership with the UFC.

Travis Barker 1:48:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:48:49 The Cellular Performance Institute in s- in Tijuana, amazing place.

Travis Barker 1:48:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:48:53 I know the guys who run it, and that's a- another s- very similar state-of-the-art place. But they aren't restricted with the, uh, type of... There's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do. Down there, it's the Wild West.

Travis Barker 1:49:10 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:49:10 You can kind of do anything. And so I know a lot of people that have had pretty phenomenal results going there.

Travis Barker 1:49:15 Yeah, I'm wondering, I have this, uh, I have this gene, uh, factor V where I, I clot real easy.

Joe Rogan 1:49:22 Mm.

Travis Barker 1:49:22 So I wonder if I could do it.

Joe Rogan 1:49:25 Let's find out. What, why would, uh, that be an issue?

Travis Barker 1:49:28 Like, for example, I can't do IVs.

Joe Rogan 1:49:31 Really?

Travis Barker 1:49:32 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:49:32 How come?

Travis Barker 1:49:34 'Cause I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder.

Joe Rogan 1:49:38 Oh, wow.

Travis Barker 1:49:38 I clot really easy.

Joe Rogan 1:49:40 And that's a genetic variant?

Travis Barker 1:49:41 Yeah. Well, I didn't, I didn't really know about it. When, uh, when my accident happened, uh, I had a bunch of clots, and just so they put a filter that lives in my body forever. It's like a, a permanent filter that kinda, like, funnels the blood-

Joe Rogan 1:49:55 Wow

Travis Barker 1:49:55 ... so it doesn't get stuck.

Joe Rogan 1:49:57 Where's the filter?

Travis Barker 1:49:58 Uh, it's, like, between my back and my stomach.

Joe Rogan 1:50:01 Wow.

Travis Barker 1:50:02 Yeah, to, to stop anything coming up, like big clots from my leg-

Joe Rogan 1:50:06 Holy shit

Travis Barker 1:50:07 ... to my heart or my head. So, um-

Joe Rogan 1:50:08 A filter.

Travis Barker 1:50:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:50:10 What's it made out of?

Travis Barker 1:50:12 It's plastic, unfortunately. [laughs] 'Cause I've read a bunch about them. I went on this whole journey 'cause wh- when I found out about it and they said, "We had to put this in you or you, you could have died, 'cause you had huge clots. Uh, but you can't remove it And they have a life expectancy of about 20 years, and then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or-

Joe Rogan 1:50:36 Oh

Travis Barker 1:50:37 ... could cause whatever. But, uh, yeah, just have PMA, positive mental attitude, it's not gonna happen. [laughs] Um, but-

Joe Rogan 1:50:43 How long ago did you get it put in?

Travis Barker 1:50:45 Uh, it was like my accident, uh, whatever year that was, 2008.

Joe Rogan 1:50:50 So it was almost 20 years ago.

Travis Barker 1:50:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50:52 So you might have to get it taken out and get a new one.

Travis Barker 1:50:53 You can't take it out.

Joe Rogan 1:50:54 Oh.

Travis Barker 1:50:56 It's cemented to the wall.

Joe Rogan 1:50:58 Oh.

Travis Barker 1:50:58 Yeah. So, like, you can't, you can't do anything with it. Now, now, about 10 years later, they started making ones that are removable.

Joe Rogan 1:51:06 Is that it? That one?

Travis Barker 1:51:07 Yeah, mine's not removable. IVC filter, yeah, that's exactly it.

Joe Rogan 1:51:10 They can't take it out and put a new one in-

Travis Barker 1:51:12 Mm-mm

Joe Rogan 1:51:13 ... that's removable?

Travis Barker 1:51:14 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:51:14 You sure?

Travis Barker 1:51:15 Positive.

Joe Rogan 1:51:16 That seems crazy.

Travis Barker 1:51:17 They say the, the surgery to take it out would be more life-threatening than le- than leaving it in.

Joe Rogan 1:51:23 Whoa.

Travis Barker 1:51:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:51:26 And so what happens if this thing breaks and fails?

Travis Barker 1:51:31 So ironically, it could do the same thing a clot would do. Uh, it would go up to your heart or your head, kill you.

Joe Rogan 1:51:39 Oh, fuck, man. That's it, huh? "IVC filter, device to stop blood clots and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs." Wow. Do you have to take any kind of medication for this?

Travis Barker 1:51:53 Just blood thinner when I, when I fly, just 'cause I know-

Joe Rogan 1:51:57 Only when you fly?

Travis Barker 1:51:57 ... 'cause I know I clot. Or if I'm, if I'm on a tour bus for long, long periods of time, I gotta take a blood thinner. But then I don't take them every day 'cause it's also a risk to be on blood thinners and if you get in a car accident-

Joe Rogan 1:52:08 Oh, yeah

Travis Barker 1:52:08 ... or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:52:09 Any kind of cut.

Travis Barker 1:52:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52:10 Right?

Travis Barker 1:52:11 But I, honestly, I forget about it. I forget it's even in there, just... But yeah, just like, but you know how some people will go on, they'll do a marathon and then they'll get an, a, an IV.

Joe Rogan 1:52:21 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:52:21 I can't do that or-

Joe Rogan 1:52:22 Wow

Travis Barker 1:52:23 ... I just have to really be cautious about getting poked. Um, yeah, I had a, I had a, I had a, an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein, and she had poked me tons of times, this nurse, and I had 30 clots just in one of my arms.

Joe Rogan 1:52:40 Holy fuck, dude.

Travis Barker 1:52:41 So yeah, I've also learned the, the lesson of not being really cautious and what happens, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:52:50 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:52:51 So...

Joe Rogan 1:52:53 I can't believe you still spar when you have that. That seems nuts 'cause, like, you could get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs.

Travis Barker 1:53:01 Yeah, I could. My, uh, my doctor's pretty cool, and he doesn't over-worry about too much or anything. He said, "I'd rather you not have a, a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open or if you're boxing or light sparring."

Joe Rogan 1:53:18 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 1:53:18 Um, so yeah, I mean, knock on wood, it's not gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 1:53:22 So it's called Factor V.

Travis Barker 1:53:24 Factor V, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:26 And it's just a rare genetic condition?

Travis Barker 1:53:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:29 Wow.

Travis Barker 1:53:30 Well, I think a lot of people have it. I think there's... I don't, I don't know how rare it is, but, um, yeah, the people do... You can have half a gene or a full gene, and I have the full one, so I'm really prone to clotting where my kids, like my one daughter, Alabama, she has half of it, so it's not as concerning, but she has to be cautious.

Joe Rogan 1:53:49 Huh. Whoa.

Travis Barker 1:53:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53:52 And is there anything you can do with, uh, supplements or anything like that that aids that?

Travis Barker 1:53:58 Uh, like a natural blood thinner is beet, beet juice or, like, beet shots, so I, I pretty much have one every day. Uh, baby aspirin sometimes.

Joe Rogan 1:54:08 Beet juice is supposed to aid also in, like, oxygen utilization, right?

Travis Barker 1:54:13 Yeah, I mean, it, it was the pre-

Joe Rogan 1:54:15 I think Rich Roll is actually the guy who told me about that.

Travis Barker 1:54:17 It was the pre-workout before pre-workouts.

Joe Rogan 1:54:19 Really?

Travis Barker 1:54:19 Yeah. Yeah, people would just slam beet juice or a s- or a shot of beet juice. I do it every show.

Joe Rogan 1:54:27 Beet juice?

Travis Barker 1:54:27 Mm-hmm. Beet shu- beet juice, like an hour before you go on stage.

Joe Rogan 1:54:31 "Drinking about one cup, 250 milliliters, of beetroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure, the top number, by a few points. The natural dietary nitrates in beets convert into nitric oxide in your body, which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow." Oh, so it's like nature's Viagra.

Travis Barker 1:54:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54:55 Neat.

Travis Barker 1:54:55 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:54:56 Neat.

Travis Barker 1:54:56 Basically, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54:57 Neat. [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:54:58 That and ginseng are my go-tos.

Joe Rogan 1:55:00 Ginseng, yeah.

Travis Barker 1:55:00 I love ginseng too.

Joe Rogan 1:55:01 Oh, ginseng's awesome for energy, right?

Travis Barker 1:55:02 So good, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:04 It's kind of amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work, and we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's good for you are drugs from the pharmaceutical company, that if you have anything wrong with you, the medicine is all medicine that's petroleum-based pharmaceutical drug medicine, and that's what's good for you.

Travis Barker 1:55:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55:27 All that other herbal stuff is all for retards. It's all for nonsense and hippies and people that don't read books.

Travis Barker 1:55:35 Well, 'cause they brainwash us-

Joe Rogan 1:55:37 Uh-huh

Travis Barker 1:55:37 ... right?

Joe Rogan 1:55:37 Yeah.

Travis Barker 1:55:38 I don't take any medicine. I don't take Advil, Tylenol-

Joe Rogan 1:55:41 Good for you

Travis Barker 1:55:42 ... anything. You know?

Joe Rogan 1:55:43 That stuff, the, the thing about Tylenol or Advil, I should say, for people that take nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen, that stuff is terrible for your gut.

Travis Barker 1:55:54 Isn't Tylenol super bad for you now-

Joe Rogan 1:55:56 Well-

Travis Barker 1:55:56 ... they, they came out with?

Joe Rogan 1:55:57 Tylenol, um, well, there was a really sad story that I read, uh, during the pandemic of this lady who had COVID, and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding Tylenol, and she died from liver toxicity.

Travis Barker 1:56:10 [gasps]

Joe Rogan 1:56:10 Because Tylenol, which has acetaminophen in it, kills people every year. Like, how many people, we've, I know we've looked this up before, but I don't remember the number, but it's not a small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like Tylenol every year. It's quite a few.

Travis Barker 1:56:27 Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:56:28 Yeah. It's like you would think, "Oh, Tylenol's not gonna kill you. It's just, like, a pill." And it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take.

Travis Barker 1:56:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56:36 But if you take a lot, you're fucked. 500 deaths per year. Largely through overdose-related acute liver failure. Some estimates put it at roughly f- well, what does that mean? 458, about 500. Reasonably shorthand. Yeah. Acetaminophen is fucking poisoning. It can get you, you know, if you take a lot of it. And-

Travis Barker 1:56:57 Yeah

Joe Rogan 1:56:57 ... the, is, I don't think that's the same with ibuprofen. I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen deaths, but I do know that my friend Cam Hanes, who runs-

Travis Barker 1:57:05 I, I, I love Cam

Joe Rogan 1:57:06 ... he's, have you ever met him?

Travis Barker 1:57:08 Yeah, yeah. We run together.

Joe Rogan 1:57:09 Oh, really?

Travis Barker 1:57:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:57:10 No shit.

Travis Barker 1:57:10 He actually did one of my, uh... You know how I was saying I'm, like, really into tempo training-

Joe Rogan 1:57:14 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 1:57:15 ... where, like, you'll tempo train, you'll do, like, a vigorous, like, resistance weights, and then you'll sprint, you know? He came and did one with me, and he was like, "Fuck, Trav." He was like, "That was, that was a lot," you know? [laughs]

Joe Rogan 1:57:27 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:57:27 Um, and we went on a, we, we, we run anytime he's in LA. I love Cam. Like, people-

Joe Rogan 1:57:33 Oh, that's awesome

Travis Barker 1:57:33 ... get so pissed that we're friends, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:57:35 Why?

Travis Barker 1:57:35 Because they're like, "How do you like someone that hunts?" I'm like, "'Cause that's my guy. I love him. I don't care if he hunts. I don't care who he votes for. I don't care what he eats. Like, that's my dog." You know, like-

Joe Rogan 1:57:46 Yeah, look at you guys together

Travis Barker 1:57:47 ... I, I love C-

Joe Rogan 1:57:47 He got, he gave you a bow?

Travis Barker 1:57:48 He gave me a bow.

Joe Rogan 1:57:49 [laughs]

Travis Barker 1:57:49 It was so cool. We shot it at my studio. Um, it was so, he's so cool, and I think likewise probably a bunch of people are like, "Why are you homies with a vegan, Cam?" Whatever [laughs] whatever, whatever people think, you know, like, we, uh... I, I, I love Cam.

Joe Rogan 1:58:05 I think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side. The vegan side is very hardcore. Those people get very adamant about, like, n- not being around other people that don't share their values or-

Travis Barker 1:58:19 I don't care what anyone does.

Joe Rogan 1:58:20 That's good for you.

Travis Barker 1:58:20 You know? I, I l- I love everyone the same. I don't care what president you vote for. I don't care if you're gay, straight. I don't, I don't care about anything, you know? I just judge people if they're a good person, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:58:30 I agree.

Travis Barker 1:58:31 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:58:31 And that's how we all should be.

Travis Barker 1:58:33 But yeah, I met, I met Cam. I, I showed up to, uh, I actually showed up to Tom and, um, Bert's, like, 5K. It was the first time I ever ran, and, um, I just showed up. My, my homie Toby invited me, and I said, "Fuck, I'll, I'll go run a 5K, whatever." I've never ran a 5K. I always run by myself just 'cause I like running. And I show up there, and, uh, right when I get to the starting line, Cam greets me, and I don't know who he is. He's like, "W- what are you gonna pace today? W- what's your number?" And I'm like, "Fuck if I know." And he's like, "Uh, what about you?" And he gave me some number, and he's like, "What are you gonna do?" I said, "I'm gonna try to keep up," and I just ran my ass off. Like, I, I just, like, tried to keep up with Cam, and then, uh, and then we just stayed friends after that, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:59:16 Oh, that's awesome.

Travis Barker 1:59:17 And I, I did pretty, pretty good in that 5K. I actually, um, did way better than I thought I would have, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:59:24 That's awesome. [laughs] That's awesome.

Travis Barker 1:59:26 Yeah. And then we became friends, and-

Joe Rogan 1:59:27 He's one of my best friends.

Travis Barker 1:59:28 Yeah, he's great.

Joe Rogan 1:59:29 I love him to death.

Travis Barker 1:59:30 Such a good guy.

Joe Rogan 1:59:30 Um, what I was getting at was that he, um, was taking ibuprofen. He was taking 800 milligrams a day, and, uh, I didn't know he was taking that much. And I was talking to him on the phone once, and he was telling me, "Yeah, I take 800 milligrams a day." I was like, "Whoa, wait a minute. How much?" I go, "You do that every day?" And I go, "Why?" He goes, "I'm in pain. I'm in pain all the time, and I wanna keep running." And so then I sent him some information that Rhonda Patrick, Dr. Rhonda Patrick put out about the problem with ibuprofen, the problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis, and what's, what it does to your gut biome. So he stopped taking it. He said, "Well, fuck. I don't wanna ruin my body. Let me just stop taking it." The pain that he was experiencing went away after he stopped taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day.

Travis Barker 2:00:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:00:19 And he realized that the pain that he was experiencing was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti-inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome. So it was, he's taking all this-

Travis Barker 2:00:31 Because his gut was messed up.

Joe Rogan 2:00:32 Exactly. Exactly.

Travis Barker 2:00:33 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 2:00:33 So he's taking all this 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day. It's torching his gut biome. That's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body, and he's in pain all the time. He gets off of the ibuprofen, the pain goes away.

Travis Barker 2:00:48 Damn.

Joe Rogan 2:00:49 Isn't that wild?

Travis Barker 2:00:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00:50 But you get brainwashed-

Travis Barker 2:00:52 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:00:52 ... into thinking, "I need all these things." Meanwhile, turmeric and curcumin, and there's a bunch of different anti-inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance-

Travis Barker 2:01:01 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:01:01 ... and they're much better for you and healthy, and you can, you know-

Travis Barker 2:01:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:01:05 ... get them from food.

Travis Barker 2:01:06 Yeah, all the natural stuff, and then I feel like contrast therapy's so helpful too.

Joe Rogan 2:01:10 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:01:10 You know?

Joe Rogan 2:01:11 Yep.

Travis Barker 2:01:11 Like doing sauna, cold plunge, sauna, cold plunge.

Joe Rogan 2:01:14 Oh, yeah.

Travis Barker 2:01:14 Anytime I'm injured, that's, that's what I go to, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:01:17 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:01:18 I hit up Cam actually one time, and I was like, "Cam, I'm, uh, I just did a half-marathon. I'm about to do another one. What do you suggest?" He's like, "Trav, get yourself an elk." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:01:28 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:01:30 I was like, I was like, "Cam, remember who you're talking to," you know? [laughs] Um-

Joe Rogan 2:01:32 So for you, is the vegan thing just all animals? It's a, an animal love thing?

Travis Barker 2:01:37 Uh, nah, it wasn't even... It, it, it is, it is that. Like, I, I am kind of under the, the, the thought process of if I love one a- if I have a dog and I love a dog, I love, I kind of love all animals, right? Like, I, I love all animals the same. I'm not like, "I'm gonna eat that one. I'm gonna shoot that one, but I love my dog."

Joe Rogan 2:01:56 Right.

Travis Barker 2:01:57 It's a little contradicting to me, you know? But, uh, but I, I didn't even know any of these things. At a young age, I remember food would be put in front of me, and there would be ham, whatever, and I would just naturally put the ham in my, ham in my pocket and eat, like, the mac and cheese or whatever else-

Joe Rogan 2:02:15 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:02:15 ... the spinach. And, 'cause my dad had this rule, he's like, "You eat everything, or you don't get up from the fucking table. Straight up. I don't care if you're there for three hours." That, that's what it was, 'cause your mom spent time making the food. You gotta eat the food, or you don't leave the table. So I'd pocket it-

Joe Rogan 2:02:29 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:02:29 ... and then my mom, my mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes.

Joe Rogan 2:02:33 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:02:33 So it started like that, and then next was, oh, ham is actually this. Hot dog is actually this. Hamburger is this. And I'm like, "Whoa, I just thought a hamburger was a hamburger." I didn't really know-

Joe Rogan 2:02:45 You didn't realize it was cow meat.

Travis Barker 2:02:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:02:46 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:02:47 So I just naturally didn't li- I was already, like, not liking the taste or the texture, right? So it was like, okay, whatever. And so vegetarian from the time I was a kid- All the way up until my accident, and then after my accident, vegan.

Joe Rogan 2:03:01 Mm.

Travis Barker 2:03:02 So it wasn't really about animals. It was just at that time it was like I just, I wasn't drawn to eat that stuff.

Joe Rogan 2:03:09 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:03:09 It's not, it's not what I was into.

Joe Rogan 2:03:11 What about eggs?

Travis Barker 2:03:12 I loved, I loved bean and cheese burritos. I grew up on bean and cheese burritos from Baker's.

Joe Rogan 2:03:15 I love a good bean and cheese burrito.

Travis Barker 2:03:16 Yeah, from where I grew up, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:03:17 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:03:18 Um, I loved-

Joe Rogan 2:03:18 Good bean and cheese burrito-

Travis Barker 2:03:19 ... Mexican food

Joe Rogan 2:03:19 ... with hot sauce.

Travis Barker 2:03:20 Yeah, you can't beat it. So that's kinda like what I was raised on.

Joe Rogan 2:03:23 But there's cheese in bean and cheese burritos.

Travis Barker 2:03:25 Yeah, so I wasn't vegan until-

Joe Rogan 2:03:27 Right

Travis Barker 2:03:27 ... 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 2:03:28 But do you-

Travis Barker 2:03:28 You know? So I would have dairy

Joe Rogan 2:03:29 ... but do you ever e- eat eggs?

Travis Barker 2:03:31 Never.

Joe Rogan 2:03:32 No? You, you know, if you have your own chickens, it's a pretty karma-free food.

Travis Barker 2:03:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03:37 'Cause like I have chickens, I have 19 chickens, and they're pets. So they wander around the yard, have a good time. Like, "Hey, ladies." Like, there's, they have no cruelty.

Travis Barker 2:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03:47 No one's doing anything bad to them. They go in their nest boxes and they lay eggs, and then you just gather the eggs. The eggs will never be a chicken 'cause they're not fertilized. It's just food.

Travis Barker 2:03:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03:58 It's just free food. I mean, it's not free. You pay for chicken food, and you take care of them and all that stuff, but I mean in terms of, like, it's karma-free.

Travis Barker 2:04:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04:06 There's, no one's getting hurt. Like, literally no one is getting hurt.

Travis Barker 2:04:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04:09 The chickens will lay an egg almost every day.

Travis Barker 2:04:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04:12 And so we have, like, baskets of eggs in my house. We always have eggs.

Travis Barker 2:04:15 I think for whatever, for whatever reason now it's, like, anything... And there, wait, and there's this amazing, it's actually, I think they, they market it as a protein, a vegan protein, but you make egg whites out of it, and it's phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 2:04:30 What's it made out of?

Travis Barker 2:04:31 And it has the same amount of protein as egg whites do.

Joe Rogan 2:04:35 Does it have the same amino acid profile?

Travis Barker 2:04:36 I think so. May- maybe if it, see if it comes up.

Joe Rogan 2:04:39 What is it called?

Travis Barker 2:04:40 Um, I have it in my phone somewhere, but I don't have my phone. Uh-

Joe Rogan 2:04:45 Jimmy'd probably find it.

Travis Barker 2:04:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04:46 So it's like-

Travis Barker 2:04:47 It's like, and it's not just egg or, or one of the basic ones. It's one that I, uh, my daughter had sent me, and it's bananas. You make, uh, you make omelets out of it, and it's just incredible.

Joe Rogan 2:04:58 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:04:58 And you get tons of protein. But I think after I, after I ate beef jerky in a hospital for six months, I was like, "Peace."

Joe Rogan 2:05:05 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:05:05 I was like, "I'm gonna be vegan. I'm gonna be vegan. Watch this." Um, and then I stopped, like, I stopped kinda having anything that came from animals, period, just to see what it would be like.

Joe Rogan 2:05:15 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:05:16 Like, I don't have honey. Uh-

Joe Rogan 2:05:19 Even honey

Travis Barker 2:05:20 ... eggs. Yeah, no honey. Um, and I just feel fucking good. Like, I have tons of energy. I can, uh, I, I have no lack of energy. I, you know? Um, I feel great. I feel like I, I operate like I have... I don't know. Just feel the best I, I've ever felt, like how I am right now, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:05:39 Well, I mean, I think everyone's different.

Travis Barker 2:05:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05:41 And that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there is a bunch of different options for people to try and find what, whatever works for you.

Travis Barker 2:05:48 Yeah. Even within my family, like my one daughter is vegetarian. My son eats meat. My wife eats meat. Uh, my youngest son-

Joe Rogan 2:05:56 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 2:05:56 ... has meat sometimes. It's like whatev- whatever everyone decides is what I'm cool with, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:06:01 That's awesome.

Travis Barker 2:06:02 And that's just what works for me.

Joe Rogan 2:06:03 That's a great attitude.

Travis Barker 2:06:04 But, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06:04 But I think you also have it dialed in. Like, you have whatever diet you're on dialed in-

Travis Barker 2:06:09 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:06:09 ... where you know you're getting the right amount of protein. And there's a, there's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have, um, a complete amino acid profile.

Travis Barker 2:06:18 Yeah. Well, those-

Joe Rogan 2:06:19 I know hemp is one

Travis Barker 2:06:19 ... those perfect aminos that, uh, Gary makes-

Joe Rogan 2:06:22 Gary Brecka? Yeah

Travis Barker 2:06:23 ... those are a game changer.

Joe Rogan 2:06:24 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:06:25 You take five in the morning, five at night.

Joe Rogan 2:06:27 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:06:27 Game changer.

Joe Rogan 2:06:28 Yeah. No, that stuff's awesome.

Travis Barker 2:06:29 But it was, it was, uh, I, I won't say it's, like, not hard to dial it in. It, it is difficult to dial it in. It is... You, you gotta navigate just like anything else, right? Um-

Joe Rogan 2:06:39 Right. There's so many people that they go vegan, but then they just eat, like, vegan pizza, and they don't, you know.

Travis Barker 2:06:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:06:45 Crossroads, your restaurant, I still have never been, but everybody that I know that went says it's fucking phenomenal. Like, even Dana, who does not like, Dana White, who does not like-

Travis Barker 2:06:53 I remember

Joe Rogan 2:06:53 ... vegan food, he's like, "Dude, it's fucking incredible." He goes, "It's incredible."

Travis Barker 2:06:57 Yeah, I think, I think when, uh, you probably don't know what to expect, right, when you go to a plant-based restaurant.

Joe Rogan 2:07:03 Right.

Travis Barker 2:07:03 But, but Tal Ronnen, the chef on, at, from Crossroads, is just, he's incredible. And, and, uh, the food, it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan.

Joe Rogan 2:07:13 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:07:13 It's not even on the menu that it's plant-based.

Joe Rogan 2:07:15 That's awesome.

Travis Barker 2:07:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:16 There's a place in the Valley that I used to go to all the time. God, I can't remember the name of it now. It's escaping me.

Travis Barker 2:07:21 Was it Follow Your Heart?

Joe Rogan 2:07:22 Yes.

Travis Barker 2:07:23 Lo-

Joe Rogan 2:07:23 Yes

Travis Barker 2:07:23 ... I go every day.

Joe Rogan 2:07:24 Yes. That's it.

Travis Barker 2:07:25 So good.

Joe Rogan 2:07:26 That place is great.

Travis Barker 2:07:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:26 And that's another completely plant-based restaurant. We used to go there all the time-

Travis Barker 2:07:30 Yeah, it's so good

Joe Rogan 2:07:31 ... when I lived in LA. Yeah, Follow Your Heart was pretty close.

Travis Barker 2:07:34 Yeah, they have a-

Joe Rogan 2:07:35 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:07:35 ... they have a, a little cafe where you can eat-

Joe Rogan 2:07:38 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 2:07:38 ... and a grocery store.

Joe Rogan 2:07:39 Yep, yep.

Travis Barker 2:07:39 Supplements and stuff.

Joe Rogan 2:07:40 Yep.

Travis Barker 2:07:40 It's cool.

Joe Rogan 2:07:40 Yeah, it's great. Their nut burger-

Travis Barker 2:07:43 Oh, so good

Joe Rogan 2:07:43 ... very good.

Travis Barker 2:07:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:44 It's like really, I would crave it.

Travis Barker 2:07:46 Yeah. That's cool. I'm, like, I, I lo- I love just everyone being open-minded, and you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:07:52 Oh yeah.

Travis Barker 2:07:53 'Cause like-

Joe Rogan 2:07:53 I'll try anything.

Travis Barker 2:07:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07:55 Um, for me personally, what I've tried is I eat more meat than anything. I eat meat, mostly meat.

Travis Barker 2:08:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:08:01 Mostly wild game, but I eat a lot of ribeyes and steak, and that just makes me feel the best. You know, I don't love animal cruelty. I don't like it. I don't think it's good in any way, shape, or form, but I also realize that animals eat animals. Life eats life.

Travis Barker 2:08:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:08:16 And this is just, and the thing about hunting is it, I'm in complete contact with where my food's coming from. I know the source of it. I'm there when the animal dies. I, I'm there. I do it. I, I participate in the whole thing. I carry it out of the woods, you know? I cut it up, bring it to, uh, a butcher shop and have it, you know, packaged into steaks.

Travis Barker 2:08:41 [laughs] I'm thinking of Cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood, you know we have deer-

Joe Rogan 2:08:45 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 2:08:45 ... in Calabasas.

Joe Rogan 2:08:46 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:08:46 He was eyeballing them, Joe.

Joe Rogan 2:08:47 Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:08:48 He was eyeballing them. I'm like, "Don't even fucking think about it." [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:08:52 Of course he was.

Travis Barker 2:08:53 Yeah. He was like, "Oh, look at that. Look at that." And-

Joe Rogan 2:08:55 Right behind the shoulder

Travis Barker 2:08:56 ... I'm looking at him like-

Joe Rogan 2:08:57 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:08:57 ... "Oh, look at the cool family of deer." He's like, "Oh, shit, that's, like, food," you know?

Joe Rogan 2:09:00 Yeah. It's food.

Travis Barker 2:09:01 That's so funny.

Joe Rogan 2:09:03 Well, especially him, you know

Travis Barker 2:09:04 But yeah, I, I, I totally g- like I said, I get it, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:09:08 It's cool that you're so open-minded about that, that you do, it, the, and you're not judgmental. It's, I think that's a great attitude to have that more people should adopt with everything, with political ideologies, religion-

Travis Barker 2:09:19 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:09:19 ... whatever it is.

Travis Barker 2:09:21 Yeah, I hate that, like-

Joe Rogan 2:09:21 Just don't fuck with me. I won't fuck with you. I'd like to hear your opinions on things 'cause I, I'd like to know where people, where, where they form their thoughts from. What's your perspective?

Travis Barker 2:09:30 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I hate when, uh, anyone from in, either side of things are so aggressive-

Joe Rogan 2:09:37 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 2:09:38 ... that we're at like... You just bum everybody out, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:09:41 They do, and I also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a healthy place to begin with. I think a lot of people find a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole. And, uh, whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology, whatever it is, they find a thing that they can call you out because you, fuck you. "You're the fucking reason, man, fuck you, man." And it's just, what's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole, and they're not a balanced person or a happy, healthy person. It's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you, and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument. But if you're starting that, initiating that because someone doesn't disa- does, someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way that you're doing, first of all, you're a shitty communicator, and two, you're probably a shitty person-

Travis Barker 2:10:38 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:10:38 ... because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving. And you're using this point, whatever it is, whether it's being a vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat or being an Is- uh, a Muslim or being a, a Christian or whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous, you're, what you really are is just a shitty version of a person, whether you realize it or not. You probably don't, probably don't even, probably think you're justified and that's why you're doing it, and you probably think, "I'm doing the right thing," and everyone's like, "I love it that you have no chill."

Travis Barker 2:11:09 Totally.

Joe Rogan 2:11:09 "He's got no chill." Like, no, no-

Travis Barker 2:11:11 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:11:11 ... he's a cunt.

Travis Barker 2:11:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:12 This guy's a cunt and he's a miserable, insufferable person to be around, regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system. And if he had a perspective that was, "I don't know why you think the way you think, but I think differently. Let's have a conversation," you might find common ground.

Travis Barker 2:11:29 Yeah, totally.

Joe Rogan 2:11:30 And you, you might be able to realize, like, oh, you can have friends that don't think the way you think. I have friends that are Muslims. I have friends that are atheists. I have, I have all, I have gay friends. I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me.

Travis Barker 2:11:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:43 And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I love them. It's great.

Travis Barker 2:11:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:47 You do, you don't, everyone doesn't have to be you. Everyone doesn't have to be the same as you, nor do they have to agree with you.

Travis Barker 2:11:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11:53 But there's too many people that what they're looking for is some reason why they're right, and some reason to be an asshole to other people that don't think the same way they think, and they think that they're justified by it. And I think they're, it's a real problem. It's also a real problem with social media because those people, their voices get amplified and people pile in, "Yeah, you go, boy," or, "You go, girl," and just-

Travis Barker 2:12:15 I feel like anyone who can, like, look at... I mean, social media is, it's corny to begin with, right? But you're gonna go on Instagram and then you're gonna say something extreme or fucked up to someone. It's like-

Joe Rogan 2:12:26 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:12:26 ... dude, you're so, you're so lame.

Joe Rogan 2:12:29 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:12:29 Like, that you actually took the, the time to think about writing something bad-

Joe Rogan 2:12:33 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:12:33 ... then wrote it, then pressed send. Like, you're fucked up.

Joe Rogan 2:12:37 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:12:37 You know what I mean? Like, straight up.

Joe Rogan 2:12:38 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:12:38 Like, anyone that's gonna say or spew negativity, I'm like-

Joe Rogan 2:12:41 Yep

Travis Barker 2:12:42 ... yeah, I just ha-

Joe Rogan 2:12:43 It's just weakness

Travis Barker 2:12:43 ... no place for it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12:44 It's just weakness. And I guarantee you you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life, with whatever you're pursuing. You're, you're, you're not-

Travis Barker 2:12:53 They're lacking somewhere

Joe Rogan 2:12:54 ... optimized. Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:12:55 For sure. You know?

Joe Rogan 2:12:56 100%.

Travis Barker 2:12:56 Like-

Joe Rogan 2:12:57 That's why they, they choose the time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people or b- have the least charitable take on people.

Travis Barker 2:13:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:13:06 It's usually they're lacking. They're usually at, at least somewhat mediocre. There's always usually some flaw in the, their game and what they're doing, and they're lashing out at other people. Which is fine.

Travis Barker 2:13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:13:17 But it's also, like, other people can learn from that too. You're like, "God, that guy seems like a cunt." And then don't be a cunt, you know?

Travis Barker 2:13:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:13:23 Realize that and go, "Oh, okay. Yeah, I kinda see that in myself sometimes. Maybe I should, maybe a little self-correction is in order."

Travis Barker 2:13:30 Yeah, you're like, "I don't ever wanna be like that."

Joe Rogan 2:13:32 Yeah, exactly.

Travis Barker 2:13:32 That's, that's great.

Joe Rogan 2:13:33 Exactly. Or, or the opposite. When someone's like, has like a really c- objective, charitable take on someone. Like, "Hey, man, maybe he thinks this way, and, you know, maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly, and we can find common ground." Like some- you read someone saying something like that and you go, "Oh, I wanna be more like that guy. Like, that guy, like, I like the way that guy thinks. Like, that, that's inspiring to me. Like, that to me, like, that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with." They're not gonna be, they're not gonna use it as an excuse to be aggressive, an excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean. 'Cause you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that.

Travis Barker 2:14:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:14:12 You're just not. You know? And y- well, you, well, you get the peanut gallery to pile in, great. So you've got Team Cunt. You've got a little cunt farm behind you, and you're all attacking all these other people, and you think somehow or another you're justified because there's some other flawed people that agree with you-

Travis Barker 2:14:30 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:14:30 ... that you're allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think the way you think or because they only eat plants or because they worship this god or like, come on.

Travis Barker 2:14:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14:39 The world is a-

Travis Barker 2:14:39 I feel like David Goggins has it figured out how he, like, how he just listens to all his haters or whatever-

Joe Rogan 2:14:44 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:14:45 ... and he, like, runs or exercises. Like, that's the, that's the shit. Like, use it as a tool, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:14:50 Yeah, I think you're better off not even listening to the haters.

Travis Barker 2:14:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:14:52 He's insane. Every time I talk to him, I'm like, "You're so insane." [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:14:56 Yeah. I mean, like I said, yeah, anyone that's gonna say anything is so, so lame right off the jump, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:15:03 Yeah. But there's a lot of lame people in this world-

Travis Barker 2:15:05 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:15:05 ... unfortunately. Because there's a lot of people that don't have a, you know, it's hard to be a person. It's complicated.

Travis Barker 2:15:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:10 People don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy.

Travis Barker 2:15:15 And I think you have to... Like, I'm disciplined. Like, sometimes I'll read something and I'll be like, "You motherfucker," like-

Joe Rogan 2:15:21 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:15:21 But I'm like, "Oh, no, I can't do, I can't do what they do."

Joe Rogan 2:15:24 Right.

Travis Barker 2:15:24 Right?

Joe Rogan 2:15:25 Exactly.

Travis Barker 2:15:25 Like, I can't, I can't, I can't stoop to that level.

Joe Rogan 2:15:26 Well, especially, you're Travis Barker.

Travis Barker 2:15:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:29 Like, you're a famous guy.

Travis Barker 2:15:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:31 Like, if you do what they do, it's a different thing. Like, if you go back at them, it's... That is one of the lamest things, when you see celebrities-

Travis Barker 2:15:38 Could never

Joe Rogan 2:15:39 ... going at-

Travis Barker 2:15:40 Could never

Joe Rogan 2:15:40 ... like, fans in the comments. Like, what-

Travis Barker 2:15:43 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:15:43 ... are you... Take your phone away. Take his phone away.

Travis Barker 2:15:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:47 Like, who, who's letting you do that?

Travis Barker 2:15:48 Like, we don't wanna see you do that.

Joe Rogan 2:15:49 No.

Travis Barker 2:15:49 The people who love your music-

Joe Rogan 2:15:51 No

Travis Barker 2:15:51 ... or whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:15:52 No.

Travis Barker 2:15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:54 No, no, no, no, no.

Travis Barker 2:15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15:56 How many people have, like, ruined other people's opinions of them because of doing something like that? Or going on some lame fucking rant against someone because of the way they voted, or the way they, uh, view this, or the way they, you know, whatever it is.

Travis Barker 2:16:10 Yeah. Luckily, like, the hate, the hate... Like, I get the weird, I, I get the weirdest hate. It's not even really hate, but it's just something like, they know they're, like, throwing darts from across the room at me as like, "Oh, bro, he's like a Kardashian now," or-

Joe Rogan 2:16:24 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:16:24 ... "He married a Kardashian." I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could do, is marry a Kardashian and just say, "Fuck you." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:16:31 Right.

Travis Barker 2:16:31 It's about, like, the, like, that even shows you I clearly don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 2:16:36 Right.

Travis Barker 2:16:36 You know what I mean? Like, and, and my, my wife isn't, like, a, a... I can't label her like that. She's my wife. She's my, my, my soulmate, right? I love her to death. But to think, like, have you seen me change? Like, have you seen-

Joe Rogan 2:16:49 Well, that's, not at all. No

Travis Barker 2:16:50 ... have you seen me, like, dressed di-

Joe Rogan 2:16:52 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:16:52 Dog, I dre- I dress so different, obviously, than my wife or her family. Like, I'm, I've continued to be my own person s- I, I look the same. I've wore the same Dickies pants, the same band shoes. I've had the same tattoos that stop me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old. Fuck you.

Joe Rogan 2:17:10 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:17:10 You know what I mean? Straight up, fuck you. And, uh, and that's why, uh, I mean, punk rock is not about music either. It's about, like, you don't, you don't care what anyone thinks.

Joe Rogan 2:17:19 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:17:19 Right? As long as you're going through this world-

Joe Rogan 2:17:21 You are who you are

Travis Barker 2:17:21 ... you're doing... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:22 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:17:22 You are who you are and you're not hurting anybody, that, that's punk rock, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:17:25 I think a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together.

Travis Barker 2:17:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:28 Like, look at this, two people from totally different worlds that love each other.

Travis Barker 2:17:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17:32 That's cool.

Travis Barker 2:17:32 Oh, it's the be- it's the best. It's just only a hater would, would think that other way, though-

Joe Rogan 2:17:37 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:17:37 ... right? You know, um, but uh-

Joe Rogan 2:17:39 But if you started getting all your tattoos lasered off-

Travis Barker 2:17:40 But it's the one that I see

Joe Rogan 2:17:41 ... and you started wearing-

Travis Barker 2:17:42 Yes

Joe Rogan 2:17:42 ... designer clothes. [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:17:44 Yeah, I started dressing like a lame and I start-

Joe Rogan 2:17:46 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:17:46 Yeah, of course. Like, dude, come for me, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:17:49 [laughs] Right.

Travis Barker 2:17:49 Please, please. Uh, but yeah, that's, like, that's one that's always, like, funny to me. I'm like...

Joe Rogan 2:17:54 Well, there's the problem with, like, you know, whenever there's anything that's happening publicly, you're living your life publicly, there's always gonna be hate.

Travis Barker 2:18:02 Oh, yeah. And Wayne said it, Lil Wayne said it a, a long time ago. I remember he told me, he's like, "Dog, you, you, you haven't made it until you have haters."

Joe Rogan 2:18:11 Right.

Travis Barker 2:18:11 "You know you're successful the minute motherfuckers start hating on you."

Joe Rogan 2:18:15 You ever seen Katt Williams' bit on haters?

Travis Barker 2:18:17 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 2:18:18 Oh, pu- pull that up. [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:18:19 Oh, I bet, I bet it's great. [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:18:22 He's got a fantastic bit on haters, about people complaining about haters. [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:18:28 [laughs]

Joe Rogan 2:18:30 It's the same kind of thing. Have you found it anywhere?

Speaker 2:18:33 It's the right thing. Doesn't, it's not labeled that way.

Joe Rogan 2:18:36 It's, you can't say Katt Williams on haters?

Speaker 2:18:38 No, I did, but-

Travis Barker 2:18:39 What up, come... Oh, I guess it does say haters. Hold on.

Joe Rogan 2:18:42 Yeah. He's got a whole, I think the bit's titled Haters.

Travis Barker 2:18:45 It's on his haters.

Joe Rogan 2:18:45 Okay, give me some volume.

Speaker 2:18:46 Hey, you gotta get your motherfucking hustle.

Travis Barker 2:18:48 Oh, bet.

Speaker 2:18:48 Understand, niggas is gonna hate you regardless.

Travis Barker 2:18:51 [laughs]

Speaker 2:18:51 Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where niggas ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What the fuck is you complaining about? What the fuck do you think a hater's job is? To fucking hate, so let them motherfuckers do they goddamn job.

Speaker 2:19:05 [laughs]

Speaker 2:19:05 What the fuck is you complaining about? Ladies, if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the fuck to get to 16 before the summer get here.

Travis Barker 2:19:14 [laughs]

Speaker 2:19:14 [laughs]

Speaker 2:19:14 What the fuck is you mad about?

Travis Barker 2:19:18 Amen. He's-

Speaker 2:19:19 Fellas, if you got 20 haters-

Travis Barker 2:19:20 Right

Speaker 2:19:20 ... you need 40 of them motherfuckers. What is you complaining about? If there's any haters in here right now that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me.

Speaker 2:19:28 [laughs]

Speaker 2:19:28 Sit back there and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, bitch.

Travis Barker 2:19:32 [laughs]

Speaker 2:19:33 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:19:34 That's so good. So true, so true.

Joe Rogan 2:19:38 It comes with the territory.

Travis Barker 2:19:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19:39 This is the job we chose.

Travis Barker 2:19:41 Totally.

Joe Rogan 2:19:41 This is the life we chose. You're gonna get haters.

Travis Barker 2:19:44 Totally.

Joe Rogan 2:19:45 But it's your, you know, it's your obligation to manage the waters. You, you don't have to d- dive in and fucking-

Travis Barker 2:19:54 Never. Never

Joe Rogan 2:19:55 ... swing in their own shit and waddle around with them like pigs.

Travis Barker 2:19:59 Totally.

Joe Rogan 2:19:59 It's not necessary.

Travis Barker 2:20:01 No, but it's a complicated world.

Joe Rogan 2:20:03 Never, never would I.

Travis Barker 2:20:04 No.

Joe Rogan 2:20:04 You know?

Travis Barker 2:20:05 No. Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 2:20:06 A lot of people do, unfortunately.

Travis Barker 2:20:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:08 It just... But it's also, this is a new thing, like, this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that online.

Travis Barker 2:20:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:16 If, you know, people choose to be on social media, like, you, you have direct access to all kinds of people, and they're gonna read your comments, and people know that-

Travis Barker 2:20:23 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:20:23 ... if you're a person who reads comments, and so they go and attack you. And it's a weird world that a lot of famous people don't know how to navigate. And a lot of people, they get, like, severe anxiety because they do read that shit, and then they'll, like, holed up in their home by themselves, staring at their phone. You're in a fucking giant mansion, living like a baller.

Travis Barker 2:20:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:41 You got a Ferrari. Meanwhile, you're in hell. You're in hell.

Travis Barker 2:20:43 Like I said, yeah, if you're not hurting anybody and it's like... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:20:46 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:20:47 Like, life's, life's good.

Joe Rogan 2:20:49 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:20:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20:50 And also, you'll feel better if you're not doing that.

Travis Barker 2:20:53 Totally. Or they say, like, if you do read it and you find any truth in it, like, it's your chance to fix it, right?

Joe Rogan 2:21:00 Yeah.

Travis Barker 2:21:00 It's your chance to whatever or, or use it as, like, motivation, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:21:04 Like God always does.

Travis Barker 2:21:05 Um, yeah, even if the shit they're, they're spewing is so false and fairy tale, it's like, still, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 2:21:12 Mm-hmm.

Travis Barker 2:21:12 Go, go lift, or go box, or go play drums, or go, go do whatever you do, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:21:18 Yeah. Use it as energy.

Travis Barker 2:21:19 Um, that always feels good 'cause-

Joe Rogan 2:21:21 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:21:21 ... yeah, none of it, none of it really, like, sits with you, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:21:24 Well, a-

Travis Barker 2:21:25 It's not supposed to

Joe Rogan 2:21:25 ... and I understand haters too.

Travis Barker 2:21:27 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:21:28 I mean, I've always said this, that if I was a 15-year-old kid and somebody gave me a Twitter account, and I could get ahold of someone like me and talk shit to 'em, I 100% would.

Travis Barker 2:21:35 Oh, yeah

Joe Rogan 2:21:36 Fuck yeah.

Travis Barker 2:21:37 As a kid?

Joe Rogan 2:21:38 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:21:38 Like, I, I don't, I don't even know what it would be like 'cause we didn't have it, but I also know, like, from where, uh, you know, punk rock was, has always been very finicky, very, very sensitive, right? You know?

Joe Rogan 2:21:51 Mm-hmm

Travis Barker 2:21:51 If a band gets popular, everyone's like, "I fucking hate 'em. They're on the radio"

Joe Rogan 2:21:54 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:21:54 ... "Fuck that band. They have fans now, they can ac- they can eat"

Joe Rogan 2:21:58 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:21:58 "They can fucking..." You know what I mean? "Pay rent, fuck them," you know? It's like that. You know, skateboarding, which I, like, changed my, my life and raised me, skateboarding is also, they're very strict, you know, about, about who can call themself a skater or, you know, there's just all the, all these things. There's like, when, when all these things should just be celebrated, like, skateboarding's fucking cool. It's, like, some of the coolest people in the world, you know, skateboard, and, and skateboarding's taught most of the world, like, how to dress properly, and-

Joe Rogan 2:22:31 [laughs]

Travis Barker 2:22:32 Serious, like, eh, I mean, a, a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dress like skateboarders. Skateboarders, like, set it off. Like, they had the best taste from the jump, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:22:42 How do you think that happened? Or how, how did skateboarders develop such a great sense of style, in your opinion?

Travis Barker 2:22:49 Uh, I don't, I don't know. It just, it's just one of those things. Like, even from back in the day-

Joe Rogan 2:22:54 But what, what, why, why that particular activity would have, like, a whole, like, style associated with it?

Travis Barker 2:22:59 I mean, I grew up with, like, huge pants and, like, T-shirts, and, and just Vans, you know, skateboarding, and beanies, you know? That's like, I don't know, but everything from the time skate videos were released, they were secretly, maybe they didn't know about it, but they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was, and at the time, music was so categorized. Like, you're either a punk rocker, you like country, you like rap, you like that. Skate videos were everything, the illest, best music of every genre. So you, a bunch of skate kids were growing up listening to Operation Ivy and loving The Pharcyde, you know? Uh, so it was, like, happily confused. They just knew the best of every world. It, it was different, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:23:47 It's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity.

Travis Barker 2:23:52 Well, then you had Lil Wayne, who learned how to skateboard halfway through his career, and I feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him.

Joe Rogan 2:24:04 Oh, wow

Travis Barker 2:24:06 You know? So, and some people don't even know. I feel like punk rock and skateboarding, I mean, Playboi Carti wears punk rock clothes. His, his whole aesthetic is punk rock, you know? Um, where did he get it from? Got it from punk rock, you know? Like, it was born there. And, uh, I hate gatekeepers, right? I, I love what he's done with it, and I love that all these new groups of kids that love Carti and love Kid Carson are, they're dressing like punkers. They might not even know it. They just think they're dressing like, you know, their favorite rapper, but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding.

Joe Rogan 2:24:43 Wow.

Travis Barker 2:24:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:24:45 I can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that.

Travis Barker 2:24:50 Yeah, there really isn't. Like, BMX people, you know-

Joe Rogan 2:24:53 Well, they have to wear pads and shit

Travis Barker 2:24:54 ... riders, yeah, they're wearing pads and stuff

Joe Rogan 2:24:56 Helmets and

Travis Barker 2:24:56 I mean, BMX was really cool. I love BMX, but yeah, and there's nothing-

Joe Rogan 2:24:59 But there's not, like, a clothing style-

Travis Barker 2:25:00 ... there's nothing like skateboarding

Joe Rogan 2:25:01 ... that's associated with

Travis Barker 2:25:02 Yeah, and skateboarding and punk rock were like this, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:25:05 Right.

Travis Barker 2:25:05 So

Joe Rogan 2:25:05 Well, it's rebellion, right?

Travis Barker 2:25:07 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:25:07 It's being an outcast. It's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people that are like you understand it.

Travis Barker 2:25:14 But it could've been, right, like, skateboarding could've been... Well, it couldn't have. I can't even say this. Like, but, like, it's a skateboard. It could've been athletic. It could've been sporty.

Joe Rogan 2:25:25 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:25:25 It was, from the get-go, it was raw-

Joe Rogan 2:25:27 Gritty

Travis Barker 2:25:27 ... and it was gritty, and it was... It's also one of the hardest things as far as, like, the amount of falls and injuries you take.

Joe Rogan 2:25:35 Oh, yeah

Travis Barker 2:25:35 You gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard.

Joe Rogan 2:25:37 Yeah, there's a lot of concussions.

Travis Barker 2:25:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:25:40 A lot of guys, when they're doing tricks, fall on their fucking head.

Travis Barker 2:25:43 The board hitting your shins over and over again, breaking arms, breaking legs. It's-

Joe Rogan 2:25:47 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:25:48 ... it's a gnarly sport.

Joe Rogan 2:25:50 Especially if you're doing it in these urban environments where people are trying to go down railings and-

Travis Barker 2:25:55 Yeah, street skating. It's like-

Joe Rogan 2:25:56 It's huge

Travis Barker 2:25:56 ... it's just whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street-

Joe Rogan 2:26:00 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:26:00 ... you know? Pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 2:26:02 It is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it.

Travis Barker 2:26:08 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:26:11 And it, that it kinda mirrors, like, punk rock aesthetics.

Travis Barker 2:26:16 Yeah, and both the genres are, are pr- very protective, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:26:20 Yeah. Weird.

Travis Barker 2:26:22 It's cool.

Joe Rogan 2:26:22 It is cool.

Travis Barker 2:26:23 But maybe it should be protected. Maybe that's why it's still so cool, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:26:29 Well, for them, for the people that are protecting it, like, and it's, it means something to them.

Travis Barker 2:26:33 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:26:33 It's probably their haven from the standard society, the pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want, and so, like, this thing is like a church to them.

Travis Barker 2:26:45 Yeah

Joe Rogan 2:26:45 It's, like, sacri- it's, like, religious.

Travis Barker 2:26:47 I mean, when I was 13, I felt like an outcast, and it was skaters against jocks where I grew up. It was, like, jocks-

Joe Rogan 2:26:54 Hmm

Travis Barker 2:26:54 ... and you played football, or you were a, a skateboarder, which basically you listen to punk rock music, you listen to Faction, you listen to D.R.I., you listen to whatever, and we looked really different. So we were, we were outcasts.

Joe Rogan 2:27:08 Yeah

Travis Barker 2:27:08 You know?

Joe Rogan 2:27:09 Yeah. All right.

Travis Barker 2:27:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:27:13 Should we wrap this up?

Travis Barker 2:27:14 Yeah. It was amazing.

Joe Rogan 2:27:15 Brother, always good to see you, man.

Travis Barker 2:27:16 Yeah, so good to see you.

Joe Rogan 2:27:16 Always good to see you. Um, this documentary, when can people watch it?

Travis Barker 2:27:20 It's out on Hulu right now.

Joe Rogan 2:27:25 Right here, and we're looking at the-

Travis Barker 2:27:27 It's The Crash

Speaker 2:27:29 And when I think about it, I have the worst flashbacks.

Speaker 2:27:32 I've got two on the ground with burns over here. [tense music] Get a [censored] ambulance, man. [sirens wailing]

Speaker 2:27:45 The last thing my mom said to me is, "Just play drums."

Joe Rogan 2:27:50 The drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body. A lot of people came just to watch him.

Travis Barker 2:27:55 He just had this, "Oh, you're gonna get picked up by a band, and you will be a star attraction."

Speaker 2:28:01 I told him, "You better get yourself a job, boy." And he said, "No, Dad."

Speaker 2:28:04 I'm gonna go play in a punk rock band, and I won't have a plan B. It's [censored] rad. [laughs] Mark and Tom come up to me and said, "Our drummer just left. Would you consider playing? The show starts in an hour"

Joe Rogan 2:28:20 It felt effortless.

Travis Barker 2:28:22 Things were just exploding. That was quite a wild ride.

Speaker 2:28:26 I was touring with Blink nonstop. I was taking so many pills that I had a security guard whose only job was to watch me sleep and make sure I was breathing. It was all a blur. And then came the crash. Just fire