Joe Rogan Experience #2552 - Ehsan Ahmad & Deric Poston

1. 0:02 – 2:29

   Elizabeth Holmes trailer: unsettling interviews and the “fake voice” reveal

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. DPDeric Poston0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] So there's a new documentary that's coming out on Elizabeth Holmes, and rarely have I watched a trailer for a documentary and known within the first five seconds I'm gonna watch the documentary. Watch how crazy this bitch looks.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad0:27

      Oh, jeez.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Just watch this.

   6. SPSpeaker0:28

      Listen, I can promise you that. I don't have anything to deceive you on. Of course I'm not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a human being. Hmm? Why would I deceive you? There's no, there's no reason for me to do that. Okay. All right. Okay, good chat. Mm. You're being real right now? I'm always being real. [baby cries]

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:23

      [smacks lips] Yo.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad1:29

      [laughs]

   9. DPDeric Poston1:30

      What the fuck was that?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       She's the president of the Lindsey Clancy Fan Club.

   11. DPDeric Poston1:33

       Oh my God.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad1:34

       Yeah, I mean, ch- oh, she is completely out of it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       Bro.

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad1:39

       Or like, no you could like see her, like, calculating the right moves to make in her face. It's crazy.

   15. DPDeric Poston1:45

       I don't think she blinked. That was terrifying.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       [laughs]

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad1:51

       [laughs]

   18. DPDeric Poston1:51

       That w- the wide shot-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Oh

   20. DPDeric Poston1:52

       ... when she's rocking her kid. Joe, that was terrifying.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad1:55

       Oh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       Oh, no, the, it's the baby crying-

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad1:57

       Oh

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       ... at the beginning. When you realize there's a baby in there.

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad1:59

       Her eyes are so big.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       I know.

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad2:01

       They're so big. Like, that's, you see all of the pupil.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Yeah.

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad2:06

       You see all of, you know, you see the whole eyeball and the white all around it. That's kinda weird.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       It does look like a snake almost, just like eyeing down, like-
2. 2:29 – 6:35

   Theranos explained: how the blood-testing scam worked and why people believed it

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      So there was a company called Theranos, and Theranos was a completely scam company made by this woman, and she dropped out of college to create this company that's a blood testing company, and they can test your blood by just pricking your finger, just get a little bit of drop of blood. Instead of getting a big draw like they have to do it.

   2. DPDeric Poston2:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:47

      And so they set them up at all these Walgreens, and it was gonna be this huge thing, and she used to wear a black turtleneck and talk like Steve Jobs. Not only that, she changed her voice. Okay? She changed her voice to sound more like a man. We'll get to that later.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad3:02

      [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      So anyway, this company, I mean, who knows how many people used their product? And it didn't work at all. Like, literally didn't work at all. So all these people that got blood tests from it and thought, "Oh, good, no cancer. Oh, good, don't have to worry about my cholesterol. Oh, good, don't have to worry about my..." It, it's all fake. It was all fake. So she was the richest self-made woman ever. She was worth, like, nine billion dollars at one point. And then someone from the company who's, like, a whistleblower I think starts it off, and then they start investigating, and then they realize, like, there's nothing here. Like, the whole company's completely full of shit. It never worked. It never worked at all. Like, the, the blood testing, they used to have to get actual blood on top of the little prick. The only way they could really test you is to do it the old-fashioned way and pretend that there was something wrong with the machine or something. "Wait a second. We gotta recalibrate this, but don't worry, we got this." And so they would just get regular blood, like normal. Like, they'd take it out with an IV.

   6. DPDeric Poston3:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      The whole thing was a scam, and it took, like, a long time because no one wanted to believe 'cause they had this narrative in their head. But this woman who looked like Steve Jobs. Here's the other thing, girls that went to college with her was like, "Hey, that's not her voice."

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad4:11

      Oh my-

   9. DPDeric Poston4:11

      Hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       'Cause how she talks there in that video-

   11. DPDeric Poston4:14

       Yeah

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       ... of course I'm not trying to deceive you, now I want you to see how she talked when she was talking at these conferences. So she would give these speeches about how powerful it is to be, like, a strong woman and all this crazy shit, you know, like women in business-

   13. DPDeric Poston4:29

       Yes

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       ... and that kind of stuff. A- and she's talking like she smoked 100 cigarettes a day for 1,000 years. She's talking like a dude. She's talking like a, like someone's in transition, they're taking testosterone. Like, listen to this.

   15. SPSpeaker4:42

       And a woman.

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad4:44

       Oh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       No, no, no, this is some lady-

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad4:46

       Hello

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       ... making fun of her voice.

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad4:47

       [laughs]

   21. DPDeric Poston4:47

       [laughs] No.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Go to her actual talking.

   23. DPDeric Poston4:49

       Stop.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Just go to her, Elizabeth. There, yeah, right there, right there, there.

   25. SPSpeaker4:51

       I don't know which one was-

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       Just go to any speech, any speech where she's giving. Just l- Elizabeth Holmes speech.

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad4:57

       Oh, the, the, the first video should real voice versus fake voice? That's a-

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       Yeah, you could do that, but then-

   29. SPSpeaker5:01

       Elizabeth Holmes, the convicted-

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad5:03

       Oh, it's just some guy
3. 6:35 – 7:46

   Tech culture, performative language, and “bullshit worlds” that enable scammers

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad6:35

      It- it's so funny to me that in her TED Talk, in her mind, she's probably like, "Uh, what the fuck? This is still going?" [laughs] Like, how is this still... At a certain point, you have to know the house of cards is gonna fall.

   2. DPDeric Poston6:43

      $9 billion?

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:44

      I don't think so, dude. I, I think that world is so full of shit in so many ways.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad6:50

      Mm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:51

      The world of, like, the tech startups and the, the super woke lefties in tech, especially during that time period. I think it's changed quite a bit now.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad7:00

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:00

      People are way more pragmatic, and it's gotten, like, way away from a lot of that stuff 'cause they realize it's actually, like, really bad for business, you know?

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad7:07

      Mm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:07

      But back then, y- as long as you have, like, the right dynamics, "Oh my God, we got a strong woman with a turtleneck."

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad7:14

       [laughs]

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       "Like, we're gonna fucking make a trillion dollars."

   12. DPDeric Poston7:16

       Ooh, a deep voice.

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad7:16

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       Yeah, a deep voice, and she's a wizard. Like, she's just this wizard who dropped out of college who's too smart for college.

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad7:22

       And a female Steve Jobs.

   16. DPDeric Poston7:23

       They love that. It's the story.

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad7:25

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       You know, the story-

   19. DPDeric Poston7:25

       She's too smart for college. She's too smart

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       ... well, Bill Gates dropped out.

   21. DPDeric Poston7:28

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Yeah. There's a lot of stories like that.

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad7:30

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Like, yes, you don't need to go to college. Look, he's the richest man in the world.

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad7:32

       Right. [laughs]

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       [laughs]

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad7:35

       It's a really good backstory to create if you're trying to scam people in the tech world, too.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       But the thing is, man, that world is full of shit in so many ways socially. Like, the way they communicate is full of shit.

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad7:46

       Mm.

4. 7:46 – 11:12

   Portland bar kicks out “XX/XY” shirt: identity politics vs. basic biology

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:46

      Like, they have these agreed upon ways of discussing things, referring to things, that if you deviate from them at all, like even, uh, even things that don't make sense. Like, uh, go to that thing that I sent you, Jamey. This is not, um-

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad7:58

      Yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:58

      ... San Francisco, this is not the tech world, but this is Portland. So in Portland, this couple went to a sports bar that, uh, is for, it's, like, features mostly women's sports.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad8:09

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      Okay? And so they, the guy went in with an XX XY chromosome shirt on, and they kicked him out because the shirt was making people uncomfortable. Chromosomes make people uncomfortable.

   6. DPDeric Poston8:27

      That's insane, bro. Who-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:29

      Bro-

   8. SPSpeaker8:29

      I'm uncomfortable with those shirts, and so I'm asking y'all to leave. If I, if I have to call authorities to get y'all removed, I will, but I don't want to do that. We don't, I'm not sure you need to. No.

   9. SPSpeaker8:40

      No. What I, I am just asking if you would please consider the depth that-

   10. SPSpeaker8:46

       I have considered the depth of our science and the, um, the research that went into the rainbow. And I- Why, why did you invest thousands into these shirts? I didn't realize until I, until someone- You did why? There's nothing wrong with these shirts ... I don't look at people's shirts when they come in. There's nothing wrong with these shirts. What is wrong with these shirts? I have had complaints by customers already. What is wrong? I don't understand what's wrong with those shirts. I've already complained to- Why, there's nothing wrong with these shirts.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       Look at those people, that, that big lady that keeps looking over.

   12. DPDeric Poston9:12

       Yeah.

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad9:12

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       You know that's the bitch that complained. [laughs]

   15. DPDeric Poston9:14

       Yeah, I'm looking at her. Oh, boy.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       You know she complained. She, she has the requisite shitty tattoo on her tricep.

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad9:18

       It is, it is also very funny to go into a women's sports bar with a chromosome shirt, like [laughs] 'cause you know-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       And get kicked out

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad9:23

       ... yeah, you know, you knew that's gonna happen.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       But why? Why would it happen if it's women's sports? Like, this is where, this is where things have-

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad9:30

       Mm

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       ... gotten so weird. Like, if there's anything that's supposed to be pro-women's sports, it's the recognition that there's a difference between men and women, which is what Title IX was all about. Which gave-

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad9:40

       Right

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       ... women, like, what, what is, what is Title IX specifically? It was, like, e- equal funding.

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad9:44

       Yeah, if you-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       Yeah

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad9:45

       ... you have to fund the women's sports as much as you fund the men's sports.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       Right.

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad9:47

       Right, right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       But that's a very big distinction, that there's women XX and there's men XY. Like, everybody knows this.
5. 11:12 – 15:21

   Scammers in everyday life: fake NFL player “DeJon Love” and pyramid schemes

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad11:12

      So it's like, 'cause we were literally just talking about this earlier. You heard about this DeJon Love guy?

   2. DPDeric Poston11:16

      Oh, man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      No.

   4. DPDeric Poston11:17

      The 49ers, the fake 49ers receiver?

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:19

      Oh, I did see something about that.

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad11:20

      Yeah. [laughs]

   7. DPDeric Poston11:21

      [laughs] That's, that's a legend.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:22

      What did he do?

   9. EAEhsan Ahmad11:23

      Yeah.

   10. DPDeric Poston11:23

       That's a legend.

   11. EAEhsan Ahmad11:23

       So he would, he would go on social media... Oh, not social media, on these dating apps, and pretend to be a 49ers guy.

   12. DPDeric Poston11:29

       But he would have his helmet with him in his car. So he'd have, he'd be driving in the car-

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad11:33

       There's a-

   14. DPDeric Poston11:33

       ... and you'd see his 49ers helmet.

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad11:35

       There's a great video, Jamey, can you pull him up, of him, like, running routes on the beach? It's incredible. It's, like-

   16. DPDeric Poston11:39

       With his 49ers helmet.

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad11:40

       Mm-hmm.

   18. DPDeric Poston11:41

       So he has all these things to scam women, and it w- he got $1.3 million-

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad11:44

       Million dollars

   20. DPDeric Poston11:44

       ... out of these women.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad11:45

       Uh-huh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Whoa.

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad11:46

       And, and-

   24. DPDeric Poston11:46

       On a dating app

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       They don't have Google?

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad11:48

       No, but here's, okay, here, here, here's the thing. Here's the thing, right? He got real- he p- made enough fake profile, [laughs] like he's just out here running routes on the beach.

   27. DPDeric Poston11:56

       Him outside the stadium. That's him outside the stadium. [laughs]

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       He got girls to give him money?

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad11:59

       Yeah.

   30. DPDeric Poston12:00

       Yeah.
6. 15:21 – 21:50

   Nathan Fielder’s interview tactic: silence exposes manipulators

   1. EAEhsan Ahmad15:21

      That document, she's like, she has, like, something like 34 days before she's going to jail, and she let Nathan Fielder have, like, full access.

   2. DPDeric Poston15:26

      Why Nathan Fielder?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      First of all, of, well, I would be like, "Bro, why are you so close to me?"

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad15:30

      [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      "This is crazy. You and I can have a conversation a little bit further away than this. You don't have to, like, literally by, like, leaning in like you're telling me a secret."

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad15:38

      What Nathan Fielder is a master of, though, is getting people going to that place where, like, oh, I think that's their true them.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      Yeah.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad15:45

      He's just not saying no to you. He has no limits-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      He also-

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad15:47

       ... so he'll let you go all the way

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       ... did something very wise right there, which is when someone says something, you say nothing back.

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad15:53

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       You give them nothing, and, 'cause their, their whole game is ping pong, right? And if you don't... And then they're just holding the paddle, "Hi." [laughs]

   14. EAEhsan Ahmad16:01

       [laughs]

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       They just look, they look fucking crazy. [laughs]

   16. EAEhsan Ahmad16:04

       [laughs]

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       I just know. You get to see who they really are.

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad16:07

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       You can pretend who you, you're different. "Oh, yeah, I would never deceive anyone."

   20. EAEhsan Ahmad16:10

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       "Oh, yeah. Why would I? What's the point? I'm going to jail anyway. I'll tell you what happened."

   22. DPDeric Poston16:14

       'Cause that's what she wanted. She wanted him to say something back so she could, so she could-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Ping pong.

   24. DPDeric Poston16:18

       Boop, boop, boop.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Boop, boop.

   26. DPDeric Poston16:19

       And he didn't.

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad16:19

       Boop, boop.

   28. DPDeric Poston16:19

       So she just stood there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       Yeah. So just stood there with the paddle. [laughs]

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad16:22

       [laughs] Looking stupid as fuck. Yeah, there is something. There was this guy, you know, this guy named Vister Lu- Victor Lustig. He was a guy who was a prolific scammer, sold the Eiffel Tower. Almost, almost sold it twice. But he wrote the-
7. 21:50 – 28:39

   SSRIs, libido loss, and the idea that culture replaces intimacy

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:50

      Look, how... I know a lot of people that are on those fucking things, man. I mean, I think a lot of people, they go to a shrink, and they go, "I... Yes, I'm depressed. I'm not feeling good." It's, uh, uh... If, if they're inclined to prescribe, you're inclined to take.

   2. EAEhsan Ahmad22:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:04

      It's a doctor, they know what they're doing. Next thing you know, [snaps fingers] you're kooky.

   4. EAEhsan Ahmad22:08

      Yeah. And I think we're, we've been so conditioned to think that a pill can make you happy-

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:12

      Yeah

   6. EAEhsan Ahmad22:12

      ... that people are like, "Yeah, let's, let me get on it."

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:14

      [tsks] And for some people, man, it's doing this weird thing where it doesn't just kill their sexual feeling, like they no longer or- orgasm, but they don't have any sexual desire anymore, like ever.

   8. DPDeric Poston22:25

      Yeah.

   9. EAEhsan Ahmad22:25

      Hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       It, like, kills it. There's, like, an, a term for this SSRI problem with sex that some people get. Like, this lady was giving a speech where she was describing what happened to her when she was young. You know, like, she, like, I think she was in her 20s when she started taking it, and then it's just totally numb. Like, there's nothing going on.

   11. EAEhsan Ahmad22:44

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       No orgasms, no feeling, no desire.

   13. EAEhsan Ahmad22:46

       Do you think that's an accidental side effect or an intentional side effect?

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:49

       No, it's an accidental side effect.

   15. EAEhsan Ahmad22:50

       You think so?

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:50

       It doesn't happen to everybody.

   17. EAEhsan Ahmad22:52

       Okay.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:52

       What, you think they're trying to numb us?

   19. EAEhsan Ahmad22:53

       Maybe.

   20. DPDeric Poston22:53

       That's what I... Joe, yeah, my brain went, "Man, they're trying to neuter us?"

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad22:56

       Yeah, maybe.

   22. DPDeric Poston22:56

       "Are they trying to neuter us? What are they trying to do?"

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad22:57

       I mean, we've, we've, uh, you know, experimented so much with stuff like this through our military and our government to begin with.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       Well, here, here's the thing. This is one thing that is possible. If you were gonna do something like that, the, the way you would... If you wanted people to be much more invested in, like, cultural and political issues, you eliminate any possibility of a sex life.

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad23:20

       Hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:20

       No sex life. So now all of their identity is all involved in whatever they're doing, whether it's being a, a right-wing patriot lady, or whether it's being a left-wing whatever. Like, you're gonna go all in on that. You're not gonna have children. You don't have sex. Right? You're not even interested in it. So what are you interested in? You have to have a team. You have to have a thing. Well, you-

   27. EAEhsan Ahmad23:43

       Right

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:43

       ... do you watch college football? Like, what do you watch?

   29. DPDeric Poston23:45

       Yeah.

   30. EAEhsan Ahmad23:45

       Mm-hmm.
8. 28:39 – 31:15

   Lindsay Clancy case and “psyop” thinking: polarization as a control strategy

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:39

      Bro, they're kicking people out of bars for X, X, XY shirts. We're, this is-

   2. DPDeric Poston28:43

      It's getting crazy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:44

      It's crazy. It's like-

   4. DPDeric Poston28:44

      We're fighting over if a, a, a lady killed her kids, and there's a fight over it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:48

      Bro, there's h-

   6. DPDeric Poston28:49

      So it's like, what's going on?

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:50

      Okay, I wanna know how those women knew to wear pink.

   8. EAEhsan Ahmad28:53

      [laughs]

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:53

      How did they decide?

   10. EAEhsan Ahmad28:54

       How many of them have kids?

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:55

       How did they get together? H- how much USAID money was involved?

   12. EAEhsan Ahmad28:57

       [laughs]

   13. DPDeric Poston28:58

       [laughs] How much USAID money was involved?

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       You wanna talk about divide and conquer?

   15. DPDeric Poston29:01

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:01

       Like, that's a great divide and conquer. H- organize hundreds of women who are out of their fucking minds to wear pink shirts and stand outside of a courthouse where a woman who one at a time strangled her kids with an exercise cable.

   17. DPDeric Poston29:18

       They brought their kids. There were women out there holding their kids up.

   18. EAEhsan Ahmad29:21

       Like a sacrifice.

   19. DPDeric Poston29:22

       Like Michael Jackson. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:23

       This is a psyop.

   21. EAEhsan Ahmad29:24

       [laughs]

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       This is a psyop.

   23. DPDeric Poston29:25

       It's a psyop.

   24. EAEhsan Ahmad29:26

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:26

       If it's not a psyop, I'm disappointed in our government.

   26. EAEhsan Ahmad29:29

       [laughs]

   27. DPDeric Poston29:32

       [laughs] It's gotta be a psyop.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:34

       It has to be a psyop.

   29. EAEhsan Ahmad29:35

       Oh, man, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:36

       That Lindsay Clancy thing has to be a psyop. And by psyop, understand this, it doesn't mean that those people involved all know it's bullshit.
9. 31:15 – 38:01

   Parenthood changes empathy: rage, protection instincts, and baby-cry perspective

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:15

      Jim Breuer said this to me once, and I'll never forget it.

   2. DPDeric Poston31:17

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:17

      He goes, "Once I had kids, I really understood murder."

   4. DPDeric Poston31:21

      Ooh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:22

      I was like, "Ooh." You know, as a person who-

   6. DPDeric Poston31:24

      Yeah

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      ... also has kids, I'm like, "Right?"

   8. DPDeric Poston31:26

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:27

      I know what you're saying.

   10. DPDeric Poston31:27

       The ra- uh, the ra- I, I didn't know how rage... One night in our apartment, somebody yelled. Our baby was crying, it's like 3:00 AM. And it's like, you know, we got a, a, a balcony. So baby's just crying on the balcony. I'm just going outside, trying to do anything at this point just to calm her down, and I didn't know where it came from, but a guy was like, "Shut that fucking baby up."

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       Oh my God.

   12. DPDeric Poston31:43

       Jo- [laughs] I didn't know I could get that mad.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:45

       Oh my God.

   14. DPDeric Poston31:46

       I didn't know. And I was ready to kill a guy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       Oh my God.

   16. DPDeric Poston31:48

       I'm ready, I was ready to go door to door to find the guy, to be like, "Bro, you out of your fucking mi-" Like, so I get what you're saying. And I didn't, and that's when I called my wife, said, "You gotta get the baby out of my hands." I was like, "Because I'm, I'm about to go kill it. I don't know what's going on."

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       People who don't have babies have such a different feeling than when, when babies are crying. Like, if I would be on a plane and a baby would be crying when I was young, I'd be like, "Oh, no, I'm never gonna sleep. This sucks. Fucking baby. Shut that baby up." I wouldn't obviously say it, but you know-

   18. DPDeric Poston32:13

       We all, yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       ... I'd be like, "God, this baby's annoying."

   20. DPDeric Poston32:15

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       Now if I'm on a plane and a baby's crying, I'm like, "Aww. Aww."

   22. DPDeric Poston32:19

       [laughs]

   23. EAEhsan Ahmad32:19

       [laughs]

   24. DPDeric Poston32:20

       Yeah, so true.

   25. EAEhsan Ahmad32:20

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:20

       "What's up, sweetie? What happened?"

   27. DPDeric Poston32:22

       [laughs] Oh, no.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:22

       "It's okay. We're just on a plane."

   29. DPDeric Poston32:23

       First flight.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       "Do your nose hurt? Do your ears hurt?" 'Cause, like, their ears get stopped up.
10. 38:01 – 42:34

    Comedy careers then vs. now: sitcom-era looks, plastic surgery, and hair panic

    1. JRJoe Rogan38:01

       We were in a different era though, man. You have to understand that era was, uh, the motivations were very different. There was two giant motivations.

    2. DPDeric Poston38:07

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan38:07

       There was get a late night talk show, hopefully The Tonight Show, 'cause then you're the king.

    4. DPDeric Poston38:11

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan38:11

       'Cause there can only be one king.

    6. DPDeric Poston38:12

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan38:13

       It was Johnny Carson, and then it was whoever took Johnny Carson's place. And then it was Letterman was like the cool guy. He was like the cool late night guy. He was like, if you were like smarter, you went to college, you watched Letterman. And if you like really appreciated comedy, you watched Letterman, 'cause he got like some of the best comics on. He had Kinison on-

    8. DPDeric Poston38:29

       Yes

    9. JRJoe Rogan38:29

       ... when Kinison debuted.

    10. DPDeric Poston38:30

        That was a famous one.

    11. JRJoe Rogan38:31

        But then there was the sitcom, and the sitcom was the giant carrot. 'Cause the sitcom could make you Jerry Seinfeld rich. Jerry Seinfeld, I don't know what he's worth, I don't wanna say what he's worth, probably worth close to a billion dollars.

    12. DPDeric Poston38:40

        Gotta be. Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan38:41

        Like the, you got that syndication money.

    14. DPDeric Poston38:43

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan38:43

        You know, like Kevin James.

    16. DPDeric Poston38:44

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:44

        You get that syndication money, that's a different animal, man. That's, you own the show and you get that syndication money, that's a different animal. It's only for the people that own the show. Like I don't, I never got that kind of money from news radio. Uh, but if you owned it, you got beaucoup dinero. 'Cause they played that shit on all these different local channels all across the country. So that shit was on at 5:00 in Milwaukee, and 7:00 at San Francisco, and 8:00 in Chicago. It was everywhere. So Seinfeld was just raking it in.

    18. DPDeric Poston39:13

        [laughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan39:13

        So everybody had that dream. That was the big dream. And that dream, you know, well, you know, he's not the best looking guy. Like, fuck. You go home, you're like, "What do I gotta do?"

    20. DPDeric Poston39:23

        Mm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan39:23

        "I'm gonna get a hair piece, I'm gonna get my eyes done, I'm gonna get my fucking, I'm gonna get this, I'm gonna get contacts, I'll get LASIK, I'll get my teeth, I'll get my fucking this, da, da, da, da, da, da."

    22. DPDeric Poston39:32

        Yeah, 'cause you hear way less of that nowadays.

    23. JRJoe Rogan39:34

        Yeah.

    24. DPDeric Poston39:34

        Like that seems like a, if you were trying to be on TV-

    25. JRJoe Rogan39:37

        Oh, yeah

    26. DPDeric Poston39:37

        ... it would be your whole thing. I gotta get my teeth, I gotta get my-

    27. JRJoe Rogan39:38

        Yeah

    28. DPDeric Poston39:38

        ... my nose.

    29. JRJoe Rogan39:39

        That's why I got hair transplants. I was panicking. I was panicking.

    30. DPDeric Poston39:42

        Whoa.
11. 42:34 – 1:29:30

    Crowd work hate, comedian jealousy, and why engaging online poisons you

    1. EAEhsan Ahmad42:34

       Crazy.

    2. DPDeric Poston42:34

       But I like that this world, 'cause it's like, man, like Stavros exists and Matt Rife exists.

    3. EAEhsan Ahmad42:38

       Yeah.

    4. DPDeric Poston42:38

       Like, I like that.

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:40

       I know.

    6. DPDeric Poston42:41

       You know?

    7. JRJoe Rogan42:41

       People hate on Matt Rife, but he's a nice guy and he doesn't do anything bad to anybody. It's like hating on Taylor Swift.

    8. DPDeric Poston42:47

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan42:47

       Like, why, why would you hate on her? Obviously people love her.

    10. EAEhsan Ahmad42:49

        Well, pe- pe- people-

    11. DPDeric Poston42:50

        Also, you worked that hard to be Taylor Swift. You worked, like you worked that hard to be Matt Rife.

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:53

        Yeah.

    13. DPDeric Poston42:53

        That's, 'cause you can say, oh, you wanna like, "Oh, it's 'cause of how he looks." Bro, it's hard to look like that.

    14. EAEhsan Ahmad42:57

        Well-

    15. DPDeric Poston42:57

        Not to say that, first off, his comedy's incredible, but I don't like that people go, "Oh, it's just because of how he looks." It's like, hey- You look like that. This motherfucker works out every day. This motherfucker, you don't just look like that.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:07

        There's that.

    17. DPDeric Poston43:08

        That, that's a choice.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:08

        But he's also-

    19. DPDeric Poston43:09

        I respect that

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:09

        ... he's really good at crowd work.

    21. EAEhsan Ahmad43:10

        He's, he's incredible.

    22. DPDeric Poston43:11

        And he's incredible, he's a great comic, too.

    23. JRJoe Rogan43:12

        Yeah.

    24. EAEhsan Ahmad43:13

        Yeah.

    25. DPDeric Poston43:13

        Two things are happening.

    26. EAEhsan Ahmad43:14

        Well-

    27. JRJoe Rogan43:14

        And he's a super nice guy.

    28. DPDeric Poston43:15

        He's the man, yeah. If you hang out with him, you're like, "This guy's the fucking man."

    29. JRJoe Rogan43:16

        He's a very, very nice guy.

    30. DPDeric Poston43:17

        Yeah. [laughs]
12. 1:29:30 – 1:35:40

    Energy budgeting and choosing positivity: routines, exercise, and breaking self-pity loops

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:29:30

       Yeah. I always try to tell people, and I, I apologize if you've heard me say this before.

    2. EAEhsan Ahmad1:29:34

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:29:34

       You only have a certain amount of energy for your whole day. And think of your energy, instead of, like, just wantonly living your life on impulse, think of your energy as units. Imagine you have 100 units in your day, 100 units of attention and energy. Why would you give any of it to something that you don't love?

    4. EAEhsan Ahmad1:29:52

       Mm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:29:53

       There's no time. You have no time. I'm almost 60 years old. I turned 59 years old.

    6. EAEhsan Ahmad1:29:58

       Huh?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:29:58

       It happened like that, like that.

    8. EAEhsan Ahmad1:30:01

       [exhales]

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:30:01

       You know? Lucky I'm still healthy. But the reality is, the time is fleeting. You don't have time. And also, more importantly, time in every day is finite. It's 24 hours. That's all you get. Why, why are you spending any of it doing something you don't like on y- o- on your own will? Like, you're not being forced to do it. It's not like a job that you hate or a class you have to take.

    10. DPDeric Poston1:30:21

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:30:22

        You, you're not even being forced, but you're engaging in something you hate on your own will, and you're robbing yourself of all that extra energy. So the energy that you have, if you have 100 units of energy, and you devote them 100% to things you love and 0% to things you hate, you will just naturally get way further in everything you're trying to do than anybody who's dedicating 60 units to something they hate all the time, and gives them anxiety, and also cripples the 40% that they have left.

    12. EAEhsan Ahmad1:30:53

        Mm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:30:53

        'Cause it poisons it all day long. It floats around in their head all day long, all the arguments, and all the negativity, and all the fucking angst-

    14. DPDeric Poston1:31:00

        Stress

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:31:00

        ... and all the anxiety-

    16. DPDeric Poston1:31:01

        Go back to your phone

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:31:01

        ... and all the stress.

    18. DPDeric Poston1:31:02

        Go back to your phone

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:31:02

        ... and you can see it in how they progress in their life. They have less energy. It's really that simple. They literally have less horsepower that they can dedicate to getting where they wanna go. So their car doesn't go as fast. They don't have as much fuel. They don't, they don't have the energy-

    20. EAEhsan Ahmad1:31:20

        Mm

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:31:20

        ... to make whatever the, it is that they do, the best version of it that it can be.

    22. EAEhsan Ahmad1:31:25

        Ooh. Damn. [laughs]

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:31:27

        Damn.

    24. EAEhsan Ahmad1:31:27

        That, that is, that is-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:31:28

        It's very pragmatic-

    26. EAEhsan Ahmad1:31:29

        ... preaching right there

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:31:29

        ... and it's very simplistic, right? I mean, uh, it's maybe a little too simplistic, but realistically-

    28. DPDeric Poston1:31:34

        No, that's real

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:31:35

        ... there's something to it.

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:31:36

        No, yeah. I, I think that's sort of-
13. 1:35:40 – 1:41:50

    AI future: hive minds, OpenAI’s mission drift, agents that cheat, and US–China dynamics

    1. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:40

       But it's just, it's just b-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:35:41

       It's so simple.

    3. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:42

       Mm-hmm. But it is, like, it is constant maintenance and constant-

    4. DPDeric Poston1:35:45

       Yeah

    5. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:45

       ... like, all right. If I'm feeling sad, let me go down the checklist. Have I ac- have I drank water?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:35:49

       Right.

    7. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:50

       That's huge. Sometimes I'll be sad and I'll drink water-

    8. DPDeric Poston1:35:52

       Yeah

    9. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:52

       ... and I'll be like, oh my God. I hadn't done that all day. [laughs]

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:35:56

        In, as you probably-

    11. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:56

        You're dehydrated. [laughs]

    12. DPDeric Poston1:35:58

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:35:58

        And you're wondering why you're sad.

    14. EAEhsan Ahmad1:35:59

        Yeah.

    15. DPDeric Poston1:35:59

        Yeah. Looking back, it probably didn't help that I would also be yelling at you, "Stop being fucking sad!"

    16. EAEhsan Ahmad1:36:02

        [laughs]

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:36:03

        [laughs]

    18. DPDeric Poston1:36:03

        I was, I was a bad roommate.

    19. EAEhsan Ahmad1:36:05

        Yeah. How-

    20. DPDeric Poston1:36:05

        If I'd see him sad, that would make me mad

    21. EAEhsan Ahmad1:36:06

        ... how do you avoid it? 'Cause you've always been, like, super positive. Like, the whole... A- all the time I've known you, you've always been, like, super happy.

    22. DPDeric Poston1:36:13

        I've... This is my whole life. My... Every memory I have of me, I've been this guy.

    23. EAEhsan Ahmad1:36:16

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:36:17

        That's amazing.

    25. DPDeric Poston1:36:17

        If I still feel the same I do when I logged online probably, like, five years old, whenever that-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:36:22

        [laughs]

    27. DPDeric Poston1:36:22

        ... I feel like that every day.

    28. EAEhsan Ahmad1:36:23

        Deric, Deric-

    29. DPDeric Poston1:36:24

        I don't need coffee. I've never had a sip of coffee, nothing. I wake up like this.

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:36:27

        Yeah.
14. 1:41:50 – 1:47:59

    Monster erotica and culture’s weirdness: Bigfoot books, censorship, and Twilight ethics

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:41:50

       You're literally an ecosystem. You, you have billions of cells in you that aren't you. There are all sorts of bacteria. There's, there's more, there's more E. coli living in your intestine than I think all the people that have ever lived ever.

    2. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:05

       [laughs]

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:42:05

       See if that's true. I think that's true. There's l- w- something nutty about being a person. 'Cause we're not an individual.

    4. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:11

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:42:11

       We, we are really an ecosystem, and this idea that being consciousness, that being conscious is you, and that you are this one unit, and this one unit is just a person. But the person is an ecosystem, and this consciousness that exists in conjunction with this ecosystem, when this, when this ecosystem shuts down, it clearly goes somewhere else. Like, the body gets abso- well, not really with us, 'cause we like to embalm each, our bodies-

    6. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:38

       Right, or put 'em in-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:42:39

       ... and fuckin'-

    8. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:39

       Put 'em in caskets and-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:42:40

       Or light 'em on fire.

    10. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:41

        Yeah, we're such cunts

    11. DPDeric Poston1:42:42

        Yeah, and ash.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:42:43

        All the other animals die-

    13. DPDeric Poston1:42:44

        Put 'em in walls

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:42:44

        ... and they feed all the life, and-

    15. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:46

        Yeah, but-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:42:47

        But we're like, "No, no, no, you can't eat me, worms."

    17. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:49

        Yeah, that is how selfish we are.

    18. DPDeric Poston1:42:50

        We're gonna eat ourselves.

    19. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:51

        Get out of this back, earth.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:42:52

        Imagine if that's, like, what's preventing our consciousness from transferring.

    21. EAEhsan Ahmad1:42:55

        I have thought that, of like, what-

    22. DPDeric Poston1:42:57

        That we're not going back to the dirt? Nah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:42:58

        Yeah.

    24. DPDeric Poston1:42:58

        Just right to the dirt, right back to the soil.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:43:00

        Imagine, imagine if that's, like, what's ruining the human race-

    26. EAEhsan Ahmad1:43:02

        Mm

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:43:02

        ... and we would be more in sync with nature if we didn't do that practice.

    28. EAEhsan Ahmad1:43:06

        I would ... Yeah, yeah. I, I, I-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:43:08

        That's cr-

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:43:09

        I definitely wanna be buried in, like, a biodegradable box.
15. 1:47:59 – 2:24:03

    Cosmetic surgery horror stories, cadaver fat, sherm, PCP lore, and conspiracies after 9/11

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:47:59

       Like, what are you doing to my dick? [laughs] Did you see about that guy that just died, an influencer?

    2. DPDeric Poston1:48:03

       Three inches. For three inches.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:48:04

       For three inches. Oh. But first of all, don't get your dick operated on period. And if you do, don't do it in Thailand. [laughs]

    4. DPDeric Poston1:48:14

       Hey.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:48:15

       Yeah. Yeah, I, I- I understand. Look, you wanna get a hair transplant in Turkey? Go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. But- He went to the place where they, uh, specialize in taking dicks off. [laughs]

    6. DPDeric Poston1:48:25

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:48:25

       Right? This is a whole new venture for them.

    8. DPDeric Poston1:48:28

       Seems like in Africa it's like-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:48:30

       [laughs]

    10. DPDeric Poston1:48:30

        ... you wanna make it bigger.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:48:30

        They might also be sabotaging their work. Yeah. [laughs]

    12. DPDeric Poston1:48:32

        [laughs]

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:48:33

        Like, look, it went south, but I can turn you into a girl for another 3,000. It's like, yeah, it's also like, damn, man, like, three inches? Was this worth it?

    14. DPDeric Poston1:48:41

        For three inches, I wanna know-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:48:41

        What is this?

    16. DPDeric Poston1:48:42

        ... 'cause it, that, was it worth it? It's like, well, if he, if he was at one, one to four is nice.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:48:47

        But-

    18. DPDeric Poston1:48:47

        But if he was at seven, seven to 10 doesn't seem worth it

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:48:49

        ... it's like cosmetic. Look, you got a bad hand. [laughs]

    20. DPDeric Poston1:48:51

        [laughs]

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:48:52

        You're just gonna have to make it through this experience. I don't know what you did in your past life, but you- [laughs] You're born with a little dick. [laughs]

    22. DPDeric Poston1:48:58

        You got a bad-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:48:59

        You're gonna have to keep on keeping on and- [laughs] ... see what's next. All, this reeks of me. [laughs] Maybe you'll come back as an NBA player in the next life. [laughs] You just gotta do your penance- Yeah. [laughs] ... as a micro dick dude. [laughs] Oh. It's just like, uh, how many inches did he have? I, yeah, that's the big question. Because this reeks of me, of a guy who had, like, an average sized dick and felt really weird about it- Oh ... or whatever, and just let it get into his head. Well, there's a- 'Cause if you watch too much porn, your idea of what a dick should be would, would be really warped. There's this dude I follow on Instagram. We talked about him before. He was, like, 6' tall or 6'1", and he decided he wants to be 6'6", so he did that bone lengthening operation.

    24. DPDeric Poston1:49:37

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:49:37

        And it's been years, and he's still not right yet. He still can't, like, 100% function. He still doesn't walk good. Like, he's, he can barely walk. He, for years was, like, getting the strength back, and he's got giant, god, giant upper body, and his, but his legs are, like, all, still all fucked up 'cause he stretched his bones out six inches. I know, right? It's like what? And the way they do it, they, you, they break your bones, and then they slowly micro adjust them, like... Well, they stretch them out, and then they heal, and then stretch them out more, and then they heal, and ... But here's another thing to take, take into consideration. Your muscles aren't supposed to be longer. You have muscles for this length leg. If you stretch your leg out six inches, what the fuck are you doing to your muscles and your tendons and all the other stuff? Yeah. 'Cause it's gotta stretch out too. How, can it, can it do that? Or are you gonna have it constantly pulling on your knee?

    26. DPDeric Poston1:50:32

        Ooh.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:50:34

        Like, all, you're walking like...

    28. DPDeric Poston1:50:39

        'Cause everything would be about to ... It would be about to explode.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:50:40

        Everything's ready to blow. You get the wrong length muscles. It's like you're wearing a little kid's shirt-

    30. EAEhsan Ahmad1:50:47

        Mm-hmm

Episode duration: 3:00:44