EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,006 words- 0:00 – 0:02
Intro
- JRJoe Rogan
[upbeat music]
- 0:02 – 1:41
Elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest: Chinook “sign of freedom”
- JRJoe Rogan
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Danny.
- DRDan Richards
Hey, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you, brother.
- DRDan Richards
Good to see you again, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
So right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet. It, it's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls, including, like, diagrams of-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, but not Peruvian. These are from the Pacific Northwest.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- DRDan Richards
From Washin- This is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you. The majority of the elongated skulls in recorded history are from Washington State. Oregon.
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, are these manipulated skulls?
- DRDan Richards
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They was, were manipulated by people. As a matter of fact, um, when Lewis and Clark reached the, the Columbia River, they passed the Cascade Mountains, all of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artificially modified skulls.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- DRDan Richards
Look at the title of the book. The Chinook Sign of Freedom. If you didn't have an artificially modified skull, you were a slave.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa. The Chinook Sign of Free- Sign of Freedom, a study of the skulls of the famous chief... How do you say his name?
- DRDan Richards
Concomly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Concomly.
- DRDan Richards
And he was, he was, um, he met with Lewis and Clark during the, uh, during their expedition. Um, and he was as famous as Sacagawea was 100 years ago. Um, but he's just disappeared.
- JRJoe Rogan
Disappeared.
- DRDan Richards
Um, he had an artificially elongated skull. I have a bunch of images, um, that talk about it. He attributed his intellect to his artificially elongated skull. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. That he, they believed he-
- JRJoe Rogan
How would you know, though?
- DRDan Richards
They don't.
- JRJoe Rogan
They did it when you were a baby.
- DRDan Richards
Exactly. But they, that's what they all believed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- 1:41 – 4:03
Neanderthal vs. Homo sapiens braincases and the hybridization question
- DRDan Richards
And there is actually something to this. This is one of the things I, that's really interesting that I've stumbled on, is, you know, Neanderthal, if you look at, um, the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case, there's a huge difference. Like, I, I have an image, if you don't mind, JB, you can just throw it up there if you don't care. Um, but it's all in the back. It's like, there's a thing called Chiari malformation type one, where the, the base of your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord, and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff. And scientists now are saying that it probably came from us and Neanderthal. Brain case, skull, not quite fitting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- DRDan Richards
And if you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, the Neanderthal skull's way wide in the back, and that's where all of your a- your motor skills, your smelling, your seeing, your hearing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they were more primitive.
- DRDan Richards
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
They were probably super athletes. And the, the real, the weird question is, like, were they smart, and how smart were they? Like, their frontal lobe is not as big as ours, correct?
- DRDan Richards
Correct. Correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's where all the thought processing-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... and decision-making comes from. So they probably had insane athletic ability.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And, and motor skills and visual ability, they pr-
- JRJoe Rogan
The visual ability's important because look at the size of their eye sockets.
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm. Now, imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh
- DRDan Richards
... so you were, you were breeding these two species together.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at the jaw on that motherfucker.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine trying to knock that guy out.
- DRDan Richards
Fuck-
- JRJoe Rogan
Good luck
- DRDan Richards
... forget about it. Although, they had chests like barrels, too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
Which, like, they, they all look like you do naturally. They don't have to lift. They just, they're just that way.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they prob- probably look a lot more impressive than me.
- DRDan Richards
Well, well, the guy on the left, he look, he looked like me naturally. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- DRDan Richards
He's, he's sitting down, little man.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, do, do you remember that one... It, it, I think it's just nonsense, but there's this one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being, uh, like, gorilla-looking.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, super predators.
- 4:03 – 7:03
Big brains, intelligence, and animal brutality: dolphins, chimps, bears
- JRJoe Rogan
... oddly enough, has a skull that has a larger capacity than us. And so then we have to think, okay, is it just motor skills? Like, do we, what do we know about the brains of dolphins? Well, we know that their, their brain capacity, it's quite a bit larger.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, their, I think their cor- So their cerebral cortex, I think, is, like, 40% larger than a person's.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, something like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Something crazy like that. So what is that? Like, what's going on with them? Like, how... Are they so much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate their environment-
- DRDan Richards
That-
- JRJoe Rogan
... so we ignore it?
- DRDan Richards
Well, that could be it. It also could be a degree of chemistry that they can't. You know, I mean, you can't do fire un- underwater, really, so you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- DRDan Richards
... kind of stuck with your technological stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's no manipulation.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? So all of their intellect must go into other areas.
- DRDan Richards
Social and hunting and-
- JRJoe Rogan
But then you find out how horrible they are to each other.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs] Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I mean?
- DRDan Richards
God, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, to the, infanticide. You know, like, dolphins, female dolphins are very promiscuous, and the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not, if he thinks they might be his, he's not gonna kill the cubs. But if a female has cubs, the male will kill the cubs so that the female will breed again. It's like, hey, I thought you guys were, like, the super peaceful, fucking smart ones.
- DRDan Richards
Sounds like, sounds, like, kind of like us.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- DRDan Richards
I mean, not now, guys
- JRJoe Rogan
... I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies so that the women will breed again.
- DRDan Richards
No, I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
But it gets close.
- DRDan Richards
Chimpanzees do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do they do that?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, they do that kind of stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
They'll-
- 7:03 – 11:02
Denisovans, polydactyly, and “honored deformities” in South America
- JRJoe Rogan
The, um, the, the ancient humans, though, to me are, like... I feel like this is a, this is a, an emerging topic. Even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long, now that they know about Denisovans, now that they know about Homo florei- how do you say that? Floresiensis?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, I'm-
- JRJoe Rogan
That one
- DRDan Richards
... pronunciation-
- JRJoe Rogan
Island of Flores Man.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The, the Hobbit people. Now they, they know, okay, we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't Homo sapiens. And the Denisovans one is fucking super weird. They're big.
- DRDan Richards
They're big. They were taller than us.
- JRJoe Rogan
And the bigger heads, like very-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah
- JRJoe Rogan
... almost like Neanderthal-like.
- DRDan Richards
Like Neanderthal. There's, um, some of the stuff that I got for, to talk about here is, um, like, uh, polydactyly, s- multiple fingers and more than five fingers and toes on each hand.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DRDan Richards
That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant... Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DRDan Richards
Polydactyly, if there's a gene G-I... Um, could you pull up the one that says polydactyly paper, please? Thank you. It's... They, they've been studying this, and there's a gene that Neanderthal and Denisovans had that, a variant that increases polydactyly, it increases, um, uh, cranial deformations. It increases a bunch of stuff. Um, this is, I mean, they, and this is, uh... And this is all newer stuff. You see, that's 2023.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- DRDan Richards
And there's, this is huge.
- JRJoe Rogan
I saw your video on this where you talked about there's one family in Brazil that has, uh, like most their family members have six fingers and six toes.
- DRDan Richards
And yeah, and they say it helps them. Uh, of course. Of course. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah
- DRDan Richards
... I can grab the ball better.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you have an extra finger.
- DRDan Richards
I can play an extra string, right? It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Imagine guitar, extra finger.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's nuts.
- DRDan Richards
I mean, you could even be-
- JRJoe Rogan
Piano
- DRDan Richards
... an ugly dude and c- and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger.
- 11:02 – 16:08
Detour: music culture, COVID era memories, and “trust the science” critique
- DRDan Richards
I could gush about that guy for a bit. I like Stevie. He's pretty good.
- JRJoe Rogan
We have posters of, or photos of him from when he was on stage at the club way before we owned it.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
Fuck yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He, he was on that stage in, like, the '80s.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think at the, I think the picture's from '83.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, I popped into Antone's a couple of times to just, just, just to [sniffs] smell the air. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Antone's is dope.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a great place. I've seen Gary perform, Gary Clark Jr. perform there a few times. It's fucking sick.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. I haven't, I haven't got to watch a show there every time I'm in town. It was, uh, uh, up to no good, but, uh, I'ma have to catch a show there one of these nights.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we did it, and everybody got COVID. The whole crew, everyone backstage got COVID. It's, one of their guys-
- DRDan Richards
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, one of their guys had COVID after the show. It was, like, during the whole, during the full lockdown, and they had a concert, and I was like, "I can't believe we're at a concert." And then we went backstage, we're hanging out in the green room, and then everybody got COVID.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, fuck. I am not a fan. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, except me. I didn't get it.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, that's because you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Again, I didn't get it
- DRDan Richards
... you were... You know, it's, it's funny. It's w- I was, something that I wanted to talk about on this anyway, so we may as well get into it now, is the COVID thing. You know, they weaponized scientific literacy when they said, "Trust the science," on the, on the jab. That's, I... There's a lot of things worth talking about, but the, the whole war on science, like I keep call- I get called a science denier a lot. Fuck that. I'm a science gatekeeper. You don't get to call it science if it ain't science. You stop at the door. Science is a method. It's a, it's a way we get somewhere. It's not the end result. Carl Sagan said, "Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe." The average time for a peer review for a test on a vaccine is about 10 years. You crank it out in a year and a half, you haven't followed the proper fucking steps, you haven't done science. I'm not a science denier. I'm not... I just... Do it right and come back.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. It's not a coincidence that there was so much money involved.
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're not stupid.
- DRDan Richards
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
We know why d- it, it wasn't done because there was no other methods to treat this disease. That's ridiculous. It's not true.
- DRDan Richards
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's why they got so mad at me.
- DRDan Richards
But, it, it, that's where I was gonna go with it. Your doctor, th- they would say threw your personal physicians under the bus, and I don't know anything about that except for that I can't extrapolate... I, I can guess and say that the guy that's your personal physicians probably wants to keep that job, and probably doesn't want to see you croak from COVID. And I mean, I mean, I could be wrong, but you know, it, it seemed really just ridiculous that it was like, "Oh, he's just pushing a bunch of pseudoscience bullsh-" It's like, um, like...
- JRJoe Rogan
That you could look at it that way, and I, you know, everyone was scared, and it's not their fault that they, you know, they were presented with this pandemic that caused people a lot of anxiety. But what was shocking to me was how few people were willing to say, "What did that guy do?" Instead of saying, "Oh my God, you're anti-science. You're promoting vaccine hesitancy. You didn't get vaccinated and you survived COVID and you're telling everybody how you did it. This is anti-science." Like, but it happened. Okay?
- 16:08 – 23:48
Archaeology culture wars: Dibble, Hancock, racism accusations, and Baalbek
- DRDan Richards
... you know, like, uh, your boy, your favorite s- uh, archeologist who's not a scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he recently did a thing where he was making fun of me, and he's like pulls up this thing talking about Easter Island and how Easter Island's earliest habitable layer has food stuffs from South America and Asia. So like, uh, as far back as people were hitting Easter Island that we're aware of, they were hitting both of these continents 1,000 years ago. So I, I've mentioned this. Flint clips that. He's like, "This is bullshit. This, Dan's confidently wrong. He's full of shit." Five minutes later in this live stream, he catches that that is accurate. "Well, actually there is, uh, evidence of contact between the two," but he never mentions that it was on Easter Island. He saves his face rather than... A- and I, I mean, that's not like a big surprise thing, but the point is, is that if you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
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- DRDan Richards
You're not, that's not scientific.
- JRJoe Rogan
I just think, uh, this is, uh, what I also think. I think there's all this personal stuff-
- DRDan Richards
Mm
- JRJoe Rogan
... that goes on with these people that is so completely unnecessary, and I think the only reason why archeologists get dismissed f- by these, whatever you would call yourself, you know, amateur-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. Interested amateur, sure
- JRJoe Rogan
... in- interested amateurs in all things life and looking at these v- the, looking at the data and looking at the science of it.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you're really good at it.
- DRDan Richards
Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
- JRJoe Rogan
That should be an asset. That's all that should be. That should be an asset to the archeologists. And if you think they're wrong about something, you should talk to them. Now, I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to do it. I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith, and I think he wanted to, you know, push a certain narrative, and one of the narratives was The thing that di- disturbed, disturbed me the most was he was trying to label Graham as racist-
- DRDan Richards
Right
- JRJoe Rogan
... for proposing these theories that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one that we currently see.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't think that it can be racist. It's human beings. It's not just human beings, it's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's their ancestors.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
So the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids, right? Whoever the fuck they were, whether, whether they were the people of 2500 BC or whether it was even earlier than that. Whatever it was, it was the people that lived right there.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The same people.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
So this is crazy.
- DRDan Richards
The w- well, the whole thing is, yeah, this is what's really funny-
- JRJoe Rogan
Atlantis
- DRDan Richards
... well, they say, "Do you, you assume that Atlanteans were white, ergo, it's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about. You're not asking questions about the Colosseum." It's like, okay, well, the Colosseum has written records, so I know why the Colosseum was built, when it was built. The Parthenon, same thing. But you know what I don't know about that was built by white people supposedly? Baalbek.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
Baalbek was supposedly built by Romans. We're all doing it there, too. It has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with written records, so they ignore this. One of my favorite things to throw at them with that is-
- JRJoe Rogan
And Baalbek has no written records of the-
- 23:48 – 31:09
Back to skulls: Chiari malformation, trepanation, and “Inca/Wormian bones”
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So these people, let's go back to this, um, this Smithsonian thing.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
These people-
- DRDan Richards
Absolutely
- JRJoe Rogan
... with their altered heads. Is it your suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to appear like people that were already here?
- DRDan Richards
I, before-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like the Peruvian skulls and-
- DRDan Richards
No, before-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause-
- DRDan Richards
... I thought... Oh, go, I, sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, go ahead.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, before I thought that, but, um, 'cause, like, there's ch- skulls in China that were originally mistaken for Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal and stuff, like old, and now they say they're artificially modified by people. But-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm
- DRDan Richards
... no, I think, um, could you pull up the image for Chiari malformation? It's the o- it's got two heads with one circled, like two CAT scans. Well, I was talking about the brain falling down into the thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DRDan Richards
They believe that this is a problem from Neanderthal and/or Denisovan mingling with us.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
Skull too small, brain too big.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- DRDan Richards
So now if you have this consistent problem, you've got a, always got pressure on the brain See how it's, pops down there? You've always got this pressure on the brain.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- DRDan Richards
Now imagine if you, you might drill holes in your head, like you've seen all the truncation-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh
- DRDan Richards
... that's happened down there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Truncation.
- DRDan Richards
There's an image of that, yep. Uh, then, or, or you might elongate the back of the skull every generation so that your kids don't have the same fucking headaches Grandpa did.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- DRDan Richards
And so it becomes a thing that... And this is why, if you check out South America, P- Paracas is insane this way. They have so many things, the polydactyly, the elongated skulls, the trephination. There's a thing, could you pull up the Inca bone one? Um, where your skulls melt, the plates in the skull melt in the back. If there is stress or a lack of equilibrium, you'll end up what they call, uh, Fermion bones. Ones in the back are Wormian bones. The ones in the back are so pronounced, um, these are called Inca bones because they happen mostly in Inca territory. You also see it in Easter Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in Asia. But this part of the skull right there, um, there's one that's got a Neanderthal that shows this, too. Neanderthals had the same issue.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- DRDan Richards
There's another one, and there's an island, uh, oh, Jesus. Um, but yeah, the, uh, sorry, there's, uh, yeah, there's one that's got-
- 31:09 – 36:59
Paracas symbols and “family tree” interpretations: candelabra, textiles, and mixing motifs
- DRDan Richards
Uh, thank you. I th- I mean, I, to me it seems like the most smoke... And it, it, not only is it a smoking gun, it's like it coincides with human evolution because what would be... W- imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a, a Homo sapien, they're talking to each other, trying to figure out a problem, and they both walk away from that with, like, mad respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't. Wouldn't they wanna mingle that? Uh, so, like, uh, Jamie, could you pull that picture that I got of the, uh, that family tree? Um, it's just, it, uh, it's like an empty, blank, white family tree, and then right after it's the... Like, imagine if you were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, "Hey, this is where we mingle bloodlines." So, like, this is a standard kind of thing, right? And could you pull up that candelabra next?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
So it should be, like... Um, sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know where it is. Hold on. Sorry. Good.
- DRDan Richards
Uh, it's that same symbol basically with the candelabra of the Andes. You've seen that, right? The... Oh, it, it, the candelabra of the Andes is visible 12 miles out to sea, okay? Um, now if you think, we're trying to draw the draw- we're trying to draw the mingling of, of bloodlines, and here's a symbol of where we're doing it.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- DRDan Richards
Fucking doesn't it? I mean, does that kind of look uncanny?
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- DRDan Richards
And then could you pull up that Paracas textile, Jamie? This one even more. This is when they buried people in Paracas, this was, they'd put them in these textiles, and this one textile, look, that back there. Look at what that... Uh, try to translate that and, and keep in mind what I was just telling you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. It looks like a monkey on either side, and then a person in the middle, and it looks like there's some sort of a transference of something through the top of their heads. Oh, that's upside down. Yeah, that's upside down. Well, there's... Uh, first of all, it looks like they did DMT.
- DRDan Richards
Well, clearly. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
It looks like they, they-
- DRDan Richards
It was hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy
- JRJoe Rogan
... 100%, 100% they were on DMT. Um, but that does look like two monkeys, right? It looks like they have tails.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Doesn't it?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, it does.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then the one in the middle looks like the bad motherfucker. That's the boss.
- DRDan Richards
And that's pregnant.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've met that guy before.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs] You have?
- JRJoe Rogan
I have. I met that guy. I met that guy over there.
- DRDan Richards
But you see that, notice in the middle of the thing, he's got a, something in his tummy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- DRDan Richards
Um, I mean, if you think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different bloodlines to make something more, that image kind of seems to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Also, they always have three fingers and three toes, and then you get to the Tridactyl mummies. It's upside down. It's monkeys. And I do n- Yeah, look at the monkeys.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know what to think about the Tridactyl mummies.
- DRDan Richards
Neither do I. It's honestly, like, um, I'm of the opinion now that I think that the genetic stuff they were doing in South America down in Peru created a lot of artificial... Created a lot of natural, weird problems, and some of them would be, um, like misshapen skulls, and then I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them, and I think that's why down there they get so crazy-looking is because it's a combination of genetics and of artificially playing with it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- 36:59 – 42:48
Cover-up and black-market pipeline: Mount Coffin, Rockefeller bundles, vanishing artifacts
- JRJoe Rogan
so much bigger. That must have been a wild-looking dude.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine bringing that guy over to your house for a party.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Your friends would be like, "Yo."
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
"Who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind?"
- DRDan Richards
I know, no shit. [laughs] No, I'm not playing. If we're playing trivia, he's on my team.
- JRJoe Rogan
That guy's the freakiest one, man. The one on the left. But what you're saying might be accurate, right? That that might've been a rounded thing that was manipulated to be a, a flattened thing.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. That's, I, I think that it was pr- I think that it was partially natural. Like, even the sagittal suture, that, um, this is one of the things they find with, uh, D- uh, Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA.
- JRJoe Rogan
That one on the right, is that real?
- SPSpeaker
It is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horseshit? That's fucking real?
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Come on, man. What are we looking at? And someone stole that. Someone's got that-
- DRDan Richards
Oh, dude
- JRJoe Rogan
... in their fucking Rhode Island mansion.
- DRDan Richards
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
You, you know those, uh, Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions that they have in Rhode-
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Very weird, man. I got into a, a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of Bronze or Gilded Age mansions-
- DRDan Richards
Oh, boy
- JRJoe Rogan
... in Newport, Rhode Island, where all these, like, fucking super rich creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get in the room, there's a fucking glass box, and inside of it there's one of these skulls. It looks like it's from another planet.
- DRDan Richards
But yeah, and, and it's so... It's weird to me that they're hiding all this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-huh.
- DRDan Richards
It's, it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Somebody's hiding all that.
- DRDan Richards
Well, it's, it... The, the s- Maybe not just somebody, but it, there's definitely money behind it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
Because it, it happens, like, so fast, and it hap- Like, the, the artic- I'll, I'll, I will link an article in a video, and it'll be dead in two weeks, and I'll have to go fucking find... Like, I've got three different ways to find this one thing right now, and I've downloaded it because it's, just keeps disappearing, and it's the, what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls.
- 42:48 – 58:55
Tridactyl mummies, trophy skulls, and ritual violence in the ancient Americas
- JRJoe Rogan
So you think there's a potential that they were creating, they were m- breeding people specifically?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. I think that they would, like, pick, pick bloodlines and be like, "You know what? You look more like, and you look more like, and you need to have a baby together," and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm
- DRDan Richards
... "Here's the baby. Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar."
- JRJoe Rogan
So what do you think the whole tridactyl thing is?
- DRDan Richards
I think some of the tridactyl mummies look fake as fuck to me, just to be clear.
- JRJoe Rogan
The early-
- DRDan Richards
Yes
- JRJoe Rogan
... the, the, the tiny ones look really fake.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, the little c- the ones that look like cake. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
But the ones that they do the CT scans of-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, those ones
- JRJoe Rogan
... you're like, "Wow."
- DRDan Richards
You know, and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
And then you find out that they're, like, at least 1,200 years old. You're like, "Are you telling me that 1,200 years ago someone created this?"
- DRDan Richards
I think DNA would be a good way to, to get into that to begin with.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know.
- DRDan Richards
Because, uh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean, it's just weird that this is all going on and we don't have definitive answers, and there's not also, like, a mad rush amongst scientists to discover. Are these two trophy skulls?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, that's how they did it, man
- JRJoe Rogan
... and a rope attached to it.
- DRDan Richards
They didn't fucking clown around. They just-
- JRJoe Rogan
With the skin on it and the hair.
- DRDan Richards
[laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
So this person's just walking around with someone's head wrapped around their waist.
- SPSpeaker
The description I just read said they were most... I mean, the ones that they found were young women.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- SPSpeaker
Like 13 to 16 years old.
- 58:55 – 1:28:20
Giants, Denisovans, and the ‘missing bones’ problem
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant bones?
- DRDan Richards
Hm. Yes. I, not only that, but, like, this is funny. When I was here last time, I would've, I would've told you I don't think so. I mean, maybe six foot five. But I've done a lot of research into it since then. Fuck. Okay. One dude, who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong, his name was Ales Hrdlička. He was a guy from Hungary who was a medical doctor. He had this theory that's a lot like, uh, the same theories of phrenology, like, uh, Leonardo DiCaprio poking on the back-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right
- DRDan Richards
... of the skull.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
"Boy, that makes you docile." Um, except for it was a, a- all-encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do it with arms and bone, uh, arm bones and leg bones and all of it. So he left medical science to become an anthropologist to push that narrative. He fucking said it point blank. And then he goes out and says, "Oh, all these Indian bones that you guys have that are bigger than White people bones didn't happen." Uh, uh, this guy's got a vested interest in proving that White people are superior, and that he believes that you prove this by the skeletons, and he comes out and debunks all the giant bones. And the way he did it, he's like, "Oh, see these bones? These aren't giant bones." It's like, dude, that's... Yeah, when I get pulled over by the cop, I pull out the, "I don't have any drugs on me, officer. See, these are cigarettes."
- JRJoe Rogan
What year is this again?
- DRDan Richards
Uh, 1930s.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, are there, are there images of these bones this guy's displaying?
- DRDan Richards
No. [laughs] Very, very little. It's almost all of this has just been scrubbed. It's-
- JRJoe Rogan
So what was he saying those bones were?
- DRDan Richards
He was just saying that, he said that people mis- mismeasured them. This is where it, it gets really, really ugly. It's, he accuses people, some of these guys were really good at their job, and he'll accuse them of mismeasuring them and not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure. And the worst example of this, in 1959, 20 years after this dude's done this, one of, the dude in charge of the Department of the Humanities at the Carnegie Museum, Dr. Don Durgu, dug up in one of these Adena mounds a s- a skeleton, and he says, "According to the in-ground measurements, this indicates an individual that in life would have been seven foot three inches tall." They debunk it by saying, "Well, this is just an in-ground measurement. This is just, it's, it has n- he didn't do any other, uh, any other work with it or anything." It's like the man flat out said it indicates. He was, it's 1959, 15 years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons. This guy w- they threw him straight under the fucking bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere because they won't show it to you. So it, it's like, and this was in '59, again. A, a, a guy in charge of a big department of the Carnegie Museum, not Dan digging in the backyard.
- JRJoe Rogan
So is there a chain of custody of that skeleton? Like, can that be traced?
- DRDan Richards
Unfor- uh, it, all the way to the Carnegie Museum, where we don't know what happened to it now. This is, this is a consistent issue with these remains. If it's a giant bone or an elongated skull and you want to know more about it, real good chance you're not gonna be able to find anything.
- JRJoe Rogan
So- What do you think was going on? Do you think there was a completely different species of enormous people?
- DRDan Richards
Uh, maybe, or maybe even just some of us that had the different d- just some, some different DNA in us than somebody else, you know? Just a little bit of... You know, I mean, honestly-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a six finger, six toe thing-
- DRDan Richards
Well
- JRJoe Rogan
... keeps coming up.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, that's, um, again, you know, we get that now with just a little bit of Neanderthal DNA, right? So you get, uh, different species that had more Denisovan in them than us, and still technically might be the same species, but not quite be-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do, do you think it's possible that these giants were Denis- Denisovans?
- DRDan Richards
Hmm. It's possible. It is-
- JRJoe Rogan
Because Denisovans were a lot larger than us, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. Like, I, at least six inches, I say. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And if you had a big one, like there's Shaq, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's me. You know what I mean?
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, if you have a really big one, like, i- isn't it possible that there's a range of even those things? Like, we only have a couple bones, right? And I think there's something that just came out a, from China-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, the Chi-
- 1:28:20 – 1:35:50
Mystery infrastructure: Göbekli/Karaha Tepe, Zahi Hawass, Grand Canyon cave claims, and UAP talk
- JRJoe Rogan
And they wanna still attribute that to hunter-gatherers just for convenience. The idea that the Göbekli Tepe structures were made by hunter-gatherers, like why would they do that?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How did they do that? How come they didn't make houses, but they made that stuff?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How come?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. Well, it's, it's, that's a tough one, man. You know, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
What were their tools?
- DRDan Richards
They're looking at, uh, you know, Karahan Tepe, they're actually talking about covering that again.
- JRJoe Rogan
Covering?
- DRDan Richards
Like d- I mean, like they did at Göbekli T- which is fucked. I don't know if you know Megalithomania, uh, Hugh Newman. He, um, he's, um, he, he, he's ... There are not a lot of people that I would, would mention on your show, but he's definitely one of them. He's, he's, uh, he's a badass, and he's been doing this forever. And, uh, he's doing all this archeoastronomy work out there at Karahan Tepe, and they're covering, they're getting ready to cover it, and he's just going, "Uh, uh."
- JRJoe Rogan
Why are they covering it?
- DRDan Richards
Well, t- they're, they're claiming it's to prot- for tourism to protect the site and all this. This, um, and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you think it is?
- DRDan Richards
I don't know. It might, that might well be it. Um, I do know that-
- JRJoe Rogan
How does it protect the site, though, if you don't allow-
- DRDan Richards
Keeps it from raining on it? I don't know. [laughs]
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's stone, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. I mean, honestly, honestly, it, it, it gets weird when you look at the Third World because, or poorer countries like that, because, you know, my iPhone could feed a family over there for a month. So it's like these guys are gonna do, they got a different set of priorities than us.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
So, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
But wouldn't you think that more things getting exposed would equal more tourism, which would equal more revenue?
- DRDan Richards
Yes and no. Um, and I did a video a while back about Zahi Hawass being a heel, like, uh, like a wrestling heel.
- JRJoe Rogan
[laughs]
- DRDan Richards
Uh, deliberate. I, dude, I'm 100% on this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- DRDan Richards
Oh, yeah. Well, I'm not saying that he doesn't do shady shit. I'm saying that he plays the villain. Um, l- I'll give you, uh, some examples. There's a, a clip of him aft- shortly after Arab Spring, and he's talking about how to increase tourism. He has two things, is one, you don't want tourists from any old country. You want Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans. You don't want the rest. You want people to come in and change your world. Second thing is, doesn't matter what's happening in Egypt, those New Age people, they come. Doesn't matter if it's Arab Spring, doesn't matter if tourism's down by 40%, those New Age people, they come. He's ... So then, "Did I find something? Yes, I found it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did." It's, uh, y- you're, "Come and investigate. Come and investigate. Come and look. Come and see for yourself. Come and pop into those little holes and look for yourself. Go, go look at the place that I told you there was nothing." I think honestly that's his whole reason that he's playing it to the hilt, and I think Lee Clare's doing the same thing right now. If you watch Lee Clare on-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know who that is
- DRDan Richards
... Lee Clare is the archeologist in charge of Göbekli Tepe. He's the big, big dude down there. And if you look at him on Twitter, he's doing the exact same thing. He's constantly arguing, con- he's picking at Jimmy. I actually block the guy. I don't block many scientists, but I, that are constantly antagonistic towards me. He was at, every day I'd wake up, there more s- talking shit about me, just pissing everybody off. And the whole point, um, in my opinion, is to make it where people want to come and look at what you're hi- if just something's being hidden, you have to have a villain hiding it, right? Give me a touchstone. So like, what the fuck is Zahi Hawass ... Think about it. What is Zahi Hawass hiding? Is, is that a crazy statement to make? No, it's not, and I think he cultivated that. I think that's an image that he made s- to increase tourist revenue.
- JRJoe Rogan
So you think he created this character to make it so that people wanna combat against him, and then go there and see and look around?
- DRDan Richards
Spend money. Yeah. Absolutely.
- 1:35:50 – 2:20:19
Antiquities markets, mummy ‘medicine,’ and Peru’s artistic sophistication (Paracas textiles)
- SPSpeaker
This is a picture of a-
- DRDan Richards
Yo
- SPSpeaker
... street mummy seller in 1875.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Christ. [laughs]
- DRDan Richards
Whoa.
- SPSpeaker
So this article in the, on-
- DRDan Richards
No
- SPSpeaker
... Big Think was saying that this was so popular from 1200 to about 18, or sorry, the 12th century to the 18th century-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck
- SPSpeaker
... that they kind of ran out of mummies.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yo.
- DRDan Richards
And this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you imagine if you could fly over there and pick up a mummy?
- SPSpeaker
Well, that's before these parties were even happening.
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine if we had one-
- SPSpeaker
They thought this was a medicine
- JRJoe Rogan
... of those in the corner over there. No, they thought it was medicine?
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, mummia.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. And imagine-
- SPSpeaker
I've talked about this once before, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's right
- SPSpeaker
... there was these... This shit exists all over the place. My God.
- DRDan Richards
And I wonder if any of them-
- SPSpeaker
How many?
- DRDan Richards
... would've been better than Khufu's.
- SPSpeaker
So-
- DRDan Richards
Go to Lot 99, Apothecary Antiques.
- SPSpeaker
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right up there, upper left?
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