Joe Rogan Experience #2566 - Cody Tucker

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

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      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 1:56

   Cody Tucker’s new book and his “perpetual rabbit hole” research process

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      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

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      The Joe Rogan Experience.

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      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music]

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Cody, what's happening?

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      Hey, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother.

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      I know. This is-

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      You wrote a book. Look at you.

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      Yeah

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       ... you're a fucking author.

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       A second one.

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       Yeah.

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       I never thought I'd-

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       Oh, this is your second book?

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       Yeah, remember last time I was here-

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       Oh, that's right

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       ... I wrote a book.

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       That's right.

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       Man.

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       Where did that come from? I j- I still, I mean, I marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent.

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       Oh.

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       Like, it's one of the best ones I follow-

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       Thank you

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       ... for sure. But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly able to create content, like these non sequitur, very bizarre facts and strange coincidences.

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       [laughs] Yeah.

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       Like, how the fuck are you doing this?

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       Dude, I read so much, and I'm a pretty quick reader. Like, I've always been very fast, like, a s- a good skimmer. And yeah, I just, like, all day every day, that's all I do.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       So you read, and then you, you, uh, you go, "Oh, that one's crazy," and you just write it down?

   29. SPSpeaker1:03

       I, yeah. So, like, whatever I'm reading, like, say I'm reading a book on, um, I don't know, like, Ben Franklin, I'll, anything that comes up that I'm like, "Ooh, that's pretty interesting. I don't think a lot of people know about that," highlight. And then I go through, piece it all together, check and make sure it's all, you know, real and, yeah, and then dive into other things off of that. Like, kind of spiderweb out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole.

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       Constantly?
3. 1:56 – 6:02

   True-crime tangents: Debbie Harry, Ted Bundy, and a real-life “zombie drug”

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      Speaking of, you know the Debbie Harry story.

   2. SPSpeaker1:58

      Well, that she thinks may have hap- I don't know if I buy it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      Really? Tell people what it is.

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      Yeah. Okay, so-

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      The Ted Bundy one

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      ... so yeah. So Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the early '70s or late '60s, that she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle, and that that car didn't have indoor, um, handles, and she escaped, and she believes that it was Ted Bundy. But if you look it up, like, on, you know, a, like, a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there at that time.

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      Oh.

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      So it could just be another guy-

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      Oh, geez

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       ... doing creepy things, you know.

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       When there's one-

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       I'm sure there's many, you know?

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       Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's figured out a way to close off the handles on the inside of his car-

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       Oh, it won't be the last

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       ... and trap people.

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       Yeah, I'm working on it right now.

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       Ha.

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       Yeah.

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       I, I watched a video today where this, uh, young man in India robbed a guy with scopolamine.

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       What the hell's that?

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Okay, I'm so glad I get to tell you something that you don't know.

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       Oh, yeah, I don't... I- if it's science related or anything like that, I'm probably-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       Well-

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       ... not gonna know anything

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       ... sco- it's crime related as well.

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       Okay.

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       Scopolamine is a drug that is, uh, I guess it's in the class of deliriant. Um, and i- if, if inhaled, you literally become, like, a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like, you, you become like a zombie.

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       Really?

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       It's li- yeah. It is like a zombie drug.

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       This is real?
4. 6:02 – 9:31

   Vice-era docs, Liberia’s brutal warlord history, and how countries get destabilized

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Is there any videos of people under the influence of it?

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      I'm looking ... All the videos I'm fucking on YouTube are literally little, like, uh, the patches and, like, people putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago.

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      Mm.

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      It's in Colombia.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:16

      Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was the shit.

   6. SPSpeaker6:18

      Oh, man. Did you ever watch, um, the Cannibal Warlords of, um, uh, Li- Liberia?

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Liberia, yeah.

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      Yeah, about General Butt Naked-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      Yes

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       ... and Charles Taylor. Oh my God. That's ... I've recommended that probably more than I've ever recommended anything in my life.

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       Uh, it's so terrifying that they did that.

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       Yeah.

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       And that-

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       Yeah

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       ... that guy just, he's became a preacher and all is forgiven.

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       Yeah.

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       He was eating kids.

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       Yeah, eating their hearts.

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       Yeah. Well, yeah.

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       Like, saving the heart because it made them invincible.

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       Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive, and then eating their heart.

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       Oh, man.

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       And then, and then he found Jesus and all is forgiven.

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       Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess that is, you know, what it says in there. But, um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:54

       What a great place to live, though, in terms of, like, actual real forgiveness.

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       Oh, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Very few places give you that kind of leeway.

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       Yeah.

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       "Oh, you found Jesus?"

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       But didn't he ca- he caught a guy serving human meat.
5. 9:31 – 11:45

   Study manipulation, pharma peer review, and “100% effective” spin

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      When you find out that, uh, we had, uh, one of these guys that was on our podcast that was, uh, a litigator, um, for, um, these, uh, lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies-

   2. SPSpeaker9:43

      Oh, yeah

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      ... and he's explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer-reviewed studies.

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      Oh, I'm sure that's ... [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:49

      Oh, it's so crazy.

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      Yeah.

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      So first of all, they ... there's no transparency.

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      No.

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      So, like, say if you have a drug that you want to release.

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       Mm-hmm.

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       You could do 10 studies, and eight-

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       Okay

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       ... of them show this is complete bullshit. But one-

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       Yeah

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       ... or two of them show, uh, just some sort of statistically significant-

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       Right

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       ... improvement in something because you've kind of-

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       Right

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       ... manipulated all the different controls in the study to make it.

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       Yeah.

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       Then you get th- once you have this, if it's peer-reviewed-

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       Yeah

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       ... the scientists do not get to look at the actual data.

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       Okay.

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       They, they get to look at the pharmaceutical drug company's scientist's-

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       Mm

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       ... version of what the study was.

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       Okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       So they only get to use what they're ... Like, so if they have scientists that perform this study, then these scientists c- submit a report.

   30. SPSpeaker10:42

       Yeah.
6. 11:45 – 25:05

   Lying your way into jobs… and into the CIA: fraud, oversight failures, and grift economics

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      See, that's the job I need.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:46

      [laughs]

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      'Cause I'm very good at that kind of thing. [laughs] Like, I'll go-

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      Can't get m- moving words around?

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      Oh, yeah, yeah. I can make all kind ... I mean, I've, I've been hired at every job I've ever applied to with zero experience in that field. And so ... And it was just because I lied

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:03

      And really?

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      Yeah. Just like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:04

      What, like what kind of jobs have you had?

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      Oh, it was nothing crazy. I've never been like a, you know, a doctor or anything.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       [laughs]

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       But I mean, it was, you know, working like at an eyeglass place or, you know, or a movie theater, you know. Like I, I've worked at movie theaters for years, so I've never ... No, I just lie, and it works for me.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       Well, movie theater, no one's gonna get hurt.

   13. SPSpeaker12:20

       Well, that's what I'm s- well, no-

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       That's the worst-

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       ... I've never worked in a position where people ... I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could get people hurt, but, um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       Did you say you had a degree?

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       No, I said I was on my way of get- to getting one.

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       And-

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       Which I guess technically is true if I-

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       Sure

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       ... I mean, anyone-

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       Start tomorrow

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       ... you're on your way if-

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       Yeah

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       ... you know? [laughs]

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       I'm gonna be a scientist-

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       You just, you just haven't started, but-

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       Speaking of that, how does this happen? When the, the CIA guy that stole all that money, how does he lie about his past to get through the CIA to a point where he can then lie about a fake operation where he steals $150 million? [laughs]

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       So he faked a college degree, and he faked his military service and got into the CIA, and was a senior CIA official.

   30. SPSpeaker13:02

       How?
7. 25:05 – 28:40

   Michael Douglas smuggling weed, Hollywood financing oddities, and iconic films as history portals

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:05

      Michael Douglas was in here yesterday.

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      I heard. Oh, God.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:08

      It was great. And, uh, one of his crazy stories was, uh, his dad, uh, you know, when he turned 18, his dad-

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      Yeah

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      ... basically said, "Look, I'm gonna write you a check for $10,000 and then that's it. You're cut off." And so the way he fund... And he was like, "But I have a, I have student loans, I have this, I have that."

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      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:25

      So the way he funded his education is, uh, he was smuggling marijuana.

   8. SPSpeaker25:30

      Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:30

      Like huge suitcases.

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       That'll do it.

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       And this is pre TSA.

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       Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       So he's literally like coming into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. [laughs] And he only did it twice.

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       That's awesome.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       He did it twice.

   16. SPSpeaker25:42

       Oh, there... How do you do it just twice?

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:44

       That's what I said.

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       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:45

       I'm like, "What willpower you have?" But he said, "I just-"

   20. SPSpeaker25:48

       It is a lot, yeah.

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       He goes, "It was f- so crazy and so nerve-wracking. There was so much-

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       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       ... adrenaline and worried about getting caught." But he made a bunch of money, and that's how he financed everything.

   24. SPSpeaker25:57

       That's amazing. He produced, uh, didn't he produce One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:00

       He did-

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       Yeah

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       ... with Creedence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager-

   28. SPSpeaker26:05

       Oh, okay

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:05

       ... of, of John Fogerty.

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       Wow.
8. 28:40 – 32:48

   AI as the future: Ex Machina, Her, and the danger of persuasive machines

   1. SPSpeaker28:40

      What do you think-

   2. JRJoe Rogan28:40

      It's just a good-

   3. SPSpeaker28:40

      ... is the best movie ever? Like if an alien came down and was like, "I wanna see one movie to know what y'all are about."

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:51

      You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie, but one of the movies that I've seen, a modern movie that I've seen multiple times is Ex Machina, um, because I feel like that is, uh, I think that's the future. I real- I really do. I, I, I feel like-

   5. SPSpeaker29:10

      Hell yeah

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:10

      ... a version of that is, uh, is in our future. And, uh, this is a film that came out... Was Ex Machina, like, 2017, 18?

   7. SPSpeaker29:19

      Mm, it was earlier than that. Like '11.

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:21

      Was it?

   9. SPSpeaker29:21

      Yeah, yeah.

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       2011.

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       Was it?

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       2013 maybe.

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       Yeah.

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       '14.

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       '14.

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       '14, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       '14. So when that film came out, I remember v- very distinctly going, "Oh my God," like, "This is h- gonna happen." Like, this is not-

   18. SPSpeaker29:33

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       ... science fiction. This is just, th- they're just predicting the future.

   20. SPSpeaker29:38

       Yeah. Yeah.

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       Actually, it says it released in 2015.

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       Mm.

   23. SPSpeaker29:42

       Oh, okay.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:43

       Okay.

   25. SPSpeaker29:43

       Oh, okay.

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:44

       Oh, it wasn't released in America first?

   27. SPSpeaker29:45

       Well, it's not an American film, is it? I mean, it's in English, but like-

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       It says 2014 here, and then-

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       Yeah

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       ... here it says USA 2015.
9. 32:48 – 37:34

   Phones, doomscrolling, and Cody’s origin story: from podcast clips to viral history nuggets

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:48

      Well, you are, uh, a guy who's like, uh, like I f- I asked you, I go, "Oh, you got an Android phone." And you go, "Yeah, I'm not a sheep."

   2. SPSpeaker32:56

      Amen.

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:56

      [laughs]

   4. SPSpeaker32:57

      Yep. Never will and always have had an Android. I mean, that's also just out of l- kind of out of laziness 'cause I just don't wanna learn something new.

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:05

      Apple's pretty easy to learn. Um-

   6. SPSpeaker33:06

      Yeah

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:06

      ... the, the thing is though, it is, it's like the Windows, Apple, uh, operating system comparison-

   8. SPSpeaker33:13

      Right

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:13

      ... or even, you know, Unix and Linux if you're into that. But it's that you are very limited by the hardware. The hardware choices are only-

   10. SPSpeaker33:20

       Mm

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:20

       ... this one company. Whereas with Android you can get all kinds of crazy shit.

   12. SPSpeaker33:24

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       I mean, you can buy unlocked phones from China-

   14. SPSpeaker33:26

       Oh, yeah

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       ... and use them over here.

   16. SPSpeaker33:28

       Yeah. I just, um, I also just kinda don't care. I don't care about Android or Apple. I don't care what someone has.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       Mm.

   18. SPSpeaker33:34

       I mean, I've found that mostly the people who do give a shit are people who... It's always people who have iPhones. They're the ones who look down, like, you know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       Oh, 100%.

   20. SPSpeaker33:42

       Like, "Ugh, you have an Android?" It's like, you know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       Yeah.

   22. SPSpeaker33:44

       Like, I also don't care. Like, I would be just fine. If I didn't use this as, like, an easy way to read shit, I'd go back to having a damn, you know, a Razor, you know, or, like, some flip phone.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:56

       Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting.

   24. SPSpeaker33:59

       I love-

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:59

       'Cause I do like texting friends, and it's, like, texting addresses and information and stuff like that I think is important.

   26. SPSpeaker34:06

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:06

       And-

   28. SPSpeaker34:06

       What was that Paris Hilton phone? The Sidekick?

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:08

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   30. SPSpeaker34:09

       Side-
10. 37:34 – 42:52

    Real Housewives to religion: repressed identity, Bible contradictions, and why people need answers

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:34

       You really watch Real Housewives?

    2. SPSpeaker37:36

       Oh, every day almost.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:37

       [laughs]

    4. SPSpeaker37:38

       Yeah. I mean, right now I'm in the throngs of the, um, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I, I would highly recommend-

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       Ooh

    6. SPSpeaker37:45

       ... 'cause there's a lot of Mormon business going on there.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:47

       Oh, yeah.

    8. SPSpeaker37:48

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:48

       The, the Mormon business is fascinating.

    10. SPSpeaker37:50

        Ooh, boy, what a weird little group of people.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:52

        Ooh.

    12. SPSpeaker37:52

        But, um, yeah, so you get that mixed with, um, you know, drink throwing and all that kind of business.

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:58

        Apparently there's a lot of, uh... And this is not a slight on the Mormon religion, don't get me wrong. But, um, I think this is true amongst Catholics as well. But there's a, a lot... Well, probably many religions. There's a lot of undercover homosexuality.

    14. SPSpeaker38:13

        [laughs] Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan38:14

        Yeah. Um-

    16. SPSpeaker38:15

        You don't... Yeah, I'm sure. Um-

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:16

        So a friend of mine, a, a good friend of mine, uh, is dating a lady who was in the church from the time she was a young girl.

    18. SPSpeaker38:25

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:25

        Got married when she was 19, and when she was, like, 35, 36, realized her husband was gay. And, uh-

    20. SPSpeaker38:33

        Yeah. [laughs] There's a situation-

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:34

        ... four kids later, now they're divorced.

    22. SPSpeaker38:36

        [laughs]

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:36

        And the stories-

    24. SPSpeaker38:37

        Yeah

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:37

        ... she tells the stories, you're just like, "Oh my God." So apparently it's just rampant.

    26. SPSpeaker38:43

        Yeah. There's a, there's actually a little bit of a situation like that [laughs] on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:48

        Is there?

    28. SPSpeaker38:48

        Kind of. I mean, I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay, but, um, the rumors are, uh, you know, that he is.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:55

        Mm.

    30. SPSpeaker38:55

        There's one of the husbands, and you know, he's a hairdresser, which-
11. 42:52 – 52:17

    Death anxiety, simulation talk, loving the past, and the power of being physically “there”

    1. SPSpeaker42:52

       Yeah, I just, um- You know, people like now wanna have an answer to something.

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:57

       Mm-hmm.

    3. SPSpeaker42:57

       Like, I'm terrified of death. That's, that's the thing I'm most terrified in the world.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:01

       Really?

    5. SPSpeaker43:02

       Yeah. [laughs] You're not afraid of dying? Oh, dying's terrifying.

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:07

       Um-

    7. SPSpeaker43:07

       What if, what if something bad happens?

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:08

       I mean, I don't wanna die.

    9. SPSpeaker43:09

       What if you go to heck?

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:10

        Go to heck? [laughs] That's hilarious.

    11. SPSpeaker43:12

        Well, what if you end up in heck? That'd be horrible. [laughs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:14

        Heck is hilarious. You clearly live in the South, sir.

    13. SPSpeaker43:17

        Yeah, well, yeah. [laughs]

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:18

        Um, it is, uh ... I mean, it doesn't sound like fun.

    15. SPSpeaker43:22

        No.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:22

        And it's, it's gonna suck that your family's gonna miss you.

    17. SPSpeaker43:25

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:25

        That would bother me the most.

    19. SPSpeaker43:26

        See?

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        But it's inevitable. Everyone's a, you know, everyone's afraid to die. No one's afraid to sleep. But you know, shut up every, every night you shut off.

    21. SPSpeaker43:35

        Yeah, and I wake up.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:36

        You just hope you wake... But do you?

    23. SPSpeaker43:37

        Yeah, I mean, right now.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:38

        Are you in the same timeline? Are you in the same timeline?

    25. SPSpeaker43:40

        Yes.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:40

        Do you know if it's even the same life that you're living?

    27. SPSpeaker43:43

        Yes.

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:44

        I don't know if that's true.

    29. SPSpeaker43:45

        Yeah, because the plan-

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:46

        I assume it's true
12. 52:17 – 1:00:28

    Street violence vs. sport: Joe’s fight commentary career and ‘high-level problem solving’

    1. SPSpeaker52:17

       Do you like watching confrontations, like, in public? The, not your confrontation, but, like, other people. Like, if somebody, two people get in, like, a fender bender and they get in a, like, a little argument. Do you like watching that?

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:26

       Generally, I don't. I, I mean-

    3. SPSpeaker52:28

       Oh, okay. We are, we are different.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:29

       I will watch them if it's happening right in front of me, but I really wish it didn't happen. I'm, uh-

    5. SPSpeaker52:34

       Oh

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:35

       ... very averse to, believe it or not, very averse to public violence, and I think-

    7. SPSpeaker52:40

       Okay, I get that, for sure.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:42

       Yeah.

    9. SPSpeaker52:42

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, well, I'm not into violence. I don't wanna see somebody get knocked out. I've seen enough videos of people who had their heads bounce off concrete.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:48

        Exactly.

    11. SPSpeaker52:49

        Never wanna see that ever in my life.

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:50

        I've seen it.

    13. SPSpeaker52:51

        But I-

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:51

        A lot.

    15. SPSpeaker52:52

        Yeah, but I would love watching two people just yell at each other.

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:55

        Yeah, I don't like that-

    17. SPSpeaker52:57

        Oh

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:57

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    19. SPSpeaker53:59

        Yeah. Oh, that's probably true

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:00

        ... and, uh, I'm just not a fan of human stupidity, and especially that kind of stupidity.

    21. SPSpeaker54:04

        Mm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        I think it's really fucking dangerous.

    23. SPSpeaker54:06

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        I think people engage in it freely, as if there's no consequences, over things that mean nothing in the long run of your life, but that mo- that moment of-

    25. SPSpeaker54:16

        Mm

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:16

        ... engaging could change your life forever.

    27. SPSpeaker54:19

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:19

        You could either get killed or kill someone, or get irreparably injured or harmed. I mean, I know people that have been, uh, beat up and it's-

    29. SPSpeaker54:27

        Yeah

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:28

        ... completely changed their personality forever.
13. 1:00:28 – 1:20:29

    Giants, Denisovans, and de-extinction: dire wolves, definitions of species, and ancient lore

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       Have you seen that there's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out some new way to do an iron cross?

    2. SPSpeaker1:00:34

       No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       He does an iron cross inverted.

    4. SPSpeaker1:00:36

       The hell's an iron cross?

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       An iron cross is one of the most difficult moves in gymnastics, where they're on the rings-

    6. SPSpeaker1:00:41

       Oh

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       ... and they hold their body up like that with their arms out. It takes, like, insane strength.

    8. SPSpeaker1:00:45

       Yeah, Vince Vaughn in Old School when he's smoking the cigarette doing it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Really?

    10. SPSpeaker1:00:48

        Yeah. You've never seen Old School? With, uh, Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

        Does he do that?

    12. SPSpeaker1:00:53

        Yeah, I think.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

        Oh, it's probably CGI, right?

    14. SPSpeaker1:00:54

        Do you know him too much? Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

        It's fake.

    16. SPSpeaker1:00:56

        Well, no, I'm not saying he's really doing it, but in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

        So this Russian guy has figured out a way to do it upside down. So he's literally, uh, doing a handstand and he stretches out. Watch this.

    18. SPSpeaker1:01:09

        This is it? Okay.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

        Watch this, Kat. This is crazy.

    20. SPSpeaker1:01:12

        Oh my God.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

        The amount of strength that it takes to do that is fucking preposterous. ... he's the first guy to ever do it

    22. SPSpeaker1:01:20

        If I started today-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

        [laughs]

    24. SPSpeaker1:01:22

        How, [laughs] how long do you think it would take for me to be able to do that?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

        Uh, it would take you 50 or 60 years.

    26. SPSpeaker1:01:30

        Oh, I got time then.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

        Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight. You'd have to get on steroids.

    28. SPSpeaker1:01:35

        Well.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

        There'd be a lot of things-

    30. SPSpeaker1:01:36

        A lot
14. 1:20:29 – 1:47:11

    True crime fandom, viral outrage, and bot-driven reality distortion (Henry Ford, Holocaust denial)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:20:29

       She might have been psychotic when she admitted that she did it?

    2. SPSpeaker1:20:32

       No, that's what p- some people think.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:20:33

       Oh.

    4. SPSpeaker1:20:34

       Some people think that she may... I mean, there's the people who are just trying to find any excuse for why she did what she did have, you know, come to just a million different-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:20:42

       Yeah

    6. SPSpeaker1:20:43

       ... brain dead, um-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:20:44

       That one is, that was not on my bingo card. I didn't think you were gonna see hundreds of women wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse-

    8. SPSpeaker1:20:52

       No

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:20:52

       ... during her trial in support of her having strangled her fucking children with an exercise cord one at a time.

    10. SPSpeaker1:21:01

        Yeah, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:21:02

        I did not understand that.

    12. SPSpeaker1:21:03

        I, I still really don't. I mean, well, there is a, just a huge number of people who've just gotten so invested in true crime, like true crime YouTube channels, and that's all they watch, all day, every day. And so they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives. Um, but they suck at it. It's like, you know-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:21:22

        [laughs]

    14. SPSpeaker1:21:22

        ... I, like, like, I've watched so much football that I do watch it, and I basically think I know more than an NFL head coach. Uh, meanwhile, you know, I don't know anything. So I'm like-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:21:31

        Right

    16. SPSpeaker1:21:31

        ... "Why would you call that play, you idiot? I wouldn't have done that."

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:21:34

        [laughs]

    18. SPSpeaker1:21:34

        Um, and I'm just sitting there, you know, eating Pepsis.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:21:37

        Pepsichorus.

    20. SPSpeaker1:21:37

        Um, but there's, like, all these, uh, women who've done the same thing, but with true crime, and they, you know, they think they're goddang Clarice Starling. And, um, yeah, so but, you know, so they think there's, like, there's a cover-up, a conspiracy. The, oh, the police department must be covering up things 'cause the husband definitely did it. Like, you know, they just go down these rabbit holes of TikTok conspiracy.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:21:58

        It's the Dunning-Kruger effect in real time.

    22. SPSpeaker1:22:00

        Yes. Yes, it is exactly what it is.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:22:02

        Yeah.

    24. SPSpeaker1:22:02

        Yeah. It's fascinating to see, but it is very sad when it comes to that type of thing happening, you know?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:22:08

        Right. Well, it's, it's bizarre. I never thought we would see it. Like, during the Casey Anthony trial, nobody was in support of Casey Anthony.

    26. SPSpeaker1:22:16

        Hell no. No, she could've been proven, well, she kinda was, but, like, full-on innocence. Her l- you know, nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that kid.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:22:25

        Right, which by the way, I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, 'cause you're not even gonna believe this is real, but, uh, Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis whore joke.

    28. SPSpeaker1:22:36

        [laughs]

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:22:37

        Casey Anthony-

    30. SPSpeaker1:22:37

        Well, why not?
15. 1:47:11 – 2:23:01

    Censorship, copyright flags, and the internet’s incentive structure

    1. SPSpeaker1:47:11

       Just what you and LL Cool J reciting the lyrics to Going Back to Cali got flagged.

    2. SPSpeaker1:47:16

       Oh, my God.

    3. SPSpeaker1:47:16

       That's how the flags work.

    4. SPSpeaker1:47:17

       God.

    5. SPSpeaker1:47:17

       It's, like, 'cause you recited the lyrics to the song.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:47:19

       Really?

    7. SPSpeaker1:47:19

       Oh, my God.

    8. SPSpeaker1:47:20

       Yeah.

    9. SPSpeaker1:47:21

       These fucking criminals.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:47:22

        Was he reciting them?

    11. SPSpeaker1:47:23

        Yeah, both of them.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:47:23

        Yeah, both of us.

    13. SPSpeaker1:47:24

        One of those songs I guess I kinda... But yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:47:26

        But he probably doesn't own the-

    15. SPSpeaker1:47:27

        No, it doesn't... It's not that the...

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:47:29

        So they're not-

    17. SPSpeaker1:47:29

        Yeah. It just flags it. Yeah.

    18. SPSpeaker1:47:30

        It's just, it's just the, the flag itself. That's fucking bananas.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:47:32

        Bananas.

    20. SPSpeaker1:47:34

        Wow.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:47:34

        It's a weird world we're living in, man.

    22. SPSpeaker1:47:36

        Yes.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:47:37

        If you s- if you hum a song, like, um, you know that song-

    24. SPSpeaker1:47:42

        Careful.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:47:42

        Is it... So I'm not gonna sing.

    26. SPSpeaker1:47:44

        [laughs]

    27. SPSpeaker1:47:44

        No one's gonna even talk about songs anymore, but-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:47:46

        Is it the, is it the, the, the lyr- is it Sunshine of My Life?

    29. SPSpeaker1:47:51

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    30. SPSpeaker1:47:52

        Sunshine.

Episode duration: 2:45:01