Joe Rogan Experience #2568 - Ross Edgley

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 3:01

   Aged scotch vs. celebrity whiskey deals (and why time can’t be faked)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Not bad.

   4. RERoss Edgley0:13

      Cheers, my brother.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      [laughs] Thank you. My man brought 18-year-old... Mm.

   6. RERoss Edgley0:19

      That's good.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Whoo.

   8. RERoss Edgley0:20

      That's good.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      That's the real deal. 18-year-old single malt scotch whiskey. Oh, that's delicious.

   10. RERoss Edgley0:28

       That's smoky. That is smoky. [laughs]

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       I had a... Well, this is a true story. I had a deal set up for a, a whiskey deal. Like, they wanted to do... You know, they do these things, like, with celebrities. And I was like, "Well, it'll be a lot of money. Well, I, I guess I could do it. All right, let's do it." And so they said that they could help me, like, design the whiskey. I'm like, "Oh, that'd be really cool." So first I wanted to do it with Buffalo Trace, but Buffalo Trace was like, "Look, we love you, but the reality is our whiskey takes, like, eight years in a barrel, period."

   12. RERoss Edgley0:57

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Like, that's, they, that's the only way they do it. I go, "Oh, that makes sense. That's why it's so good. Okay, that makes sense." So I tried this whiskey and I was like, "Oh, it's pretty good. It's pretty good." I tried, gave it to my friends. They're like, "It's pretty good." And then I fucked up and I had some 18-year-old scotch, and it was so good.

   14. RERoss Edgley1:14

       [laughs]

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       I'm like, I can't lie. If, if I'll say this is my favorite whiskey, but that will be a lie.

   16. RERoss Edgley1:20

       [laughs]

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       'Cause this is so much better.

   18. RERoss Edgley1:22

       [laughs]

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       This is... There's no substitute for time.

   20. RERoss Edgley1:26

       No. No, no.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       There's no substitute for time in those barrels. That taste-

   22. RERoss Edgley1:29

       That tastes like Scotland as well, doesn't it?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       I remember one of the writers when I was on News Radio, he exposed me to this stuff. He said, uh, "Do you like whiskey?" I'm like, "It's okay. It's kinda nasty. You just do it to get a buzz, right?" He's like, "No, no, no, you gotta, like..." He, he was, like, very specific. "You have, like, a, a large cube of ice." And he's like, "Come on, let me buy you a w-..." It's like a $200 whiskey. I'm like, "What? $200 for a fucking glass?" He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, trust me." And so he bought me this glass. I was like, "Oh. Oh, okay."

   24. RERoss Edgley1:57

       It was £200.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       It's a different thing.

   26. RERoss Edgley1:59

       Mm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       It's a different thing.

   28. RERoss Edgley2:00

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       Like, if you drink a 20-year-old whiskey-

   30. RERoss Edgley2:03

       Mm
3. 3:01 – 5:27

   60 hours in Loch Ness: hallucinations, hypothermia, and cellulitis

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      So first of all, you were telling me you swam around the... You, 60 hours in Loch Ness?

   2. RERoss Edgley3:08

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      Speaking of Scotland.

   4. RERoss Edgley3:09

      Oh. 'Cause we... This is strange, 'cause o- obviously it was seven years ago now when we caught up, when I swam around Great Britain. And then since then-

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      God, that was seven years ago.

   6. RERoss Edgley3:17

      Weird, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:18

      Wow.

   8. RERoss Edgley3:18

      Right? And then, and then now-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Time flies

   10. RERoss Edgley3:20

       ... I've just been on this kind of strange career trajectory, if you can call it a career, in inverted commas. So we did, yeah, a, a 60-hour, uh, nonstop swim in Loch Ness. Um, was going well. So it was all for ocean conservation. We raised so much money, it was amazing. Um, it was going well up until the 60-hour point. Started hallucinating, started seeing things. Basically, the only way I can describe it is, um, uh, you're like, you're looking through the eye of a needle. It's just getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller, and then it just went completely black. It just went completely dark.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Did you black out?

   12. RERoss Edgley3:46

       Yeah. Blacked out.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       Wow.

   14. RERoss Edgley3:47

       Basically it was, uh, hypothermia mixed with cellulitis. So cellulitis is, uh, a skin infection.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       Staph infection.

   16. RERoss Edgley3:52

       Exactly.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Yeah.

   18. RERoss Edgley3:53

       Exactly. From the wetsuit that was just getting into my bloodstream.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Oh, God. You had a staph infection, and at the same time you were hypothermic?

   20. RERoss Edgley4:00

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       And at the same time you'd been up for three days. [laughs]

   22. RERoss Edgley4:02

       Yeah, it's exactly. It was a bad place to be, Joe. [laughs]

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       [laughs]

   24. RERoss Edgley4:05

       It was a bad place to-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       That's so crazy

   26. RERoss Edgley4:07

       ... in, in the middle of-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       60 hours of swimming is so insane. 60 hours of running is insane, but you could stop running and take a nap.

   28. RERoss Edgley4:14

       [laughs] It's so bad.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       You know what I'm saying?

   30. RERoss Edgley4:16

       It was so bad. With the Loch Ness Monster.
4. 5:27 – 10:00

   From freezing to boiling: Italy’s 36°C lake, heat stroke, and rhabdo

   1. RERoss Edgley5:27

      Yeah. Coming in and out. And I don't, I don't say it proudly, sort of coming in and out of consciousness. I still sort of remember little bits, but then, like I said, the main thing was just being there with my mum and my girlfriend, and they were just... They looked disappointed. [laughs] I was like, "I'm so sorry." So, so, so from there, what's interesting, a year later, uh, in Lake Trasimeno in Italy, um, we did another swim for charity. It was amazing. Everything was organized, but because of Italian bureaucracy, they said you have to do it on this particular day. Um, getting into the water, it was 36 degrees. Um, I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit, but hot. It was a bath, basically. We got caught in a heat wave. So going in there, um, I had hypothermia before. Now I have hyperthermia, so heat stroke. Um, we swam-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:08

      So you're, like, swimming in a hot bath.

   3. RERoss Edgley6:10

      Basically. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:10

      What is 36 degrees in Fahrenheit?

   5. RERoss Edgley6:12

      Oh, there we go.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      Is that, like, 90 degrees?

   7. RERoss Edgley6:14

      Yeah, 96.8. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:16

      96? Holy shit.

   9. RERoss Edgley6:18

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       That's crazy.

   11. RERoss Edgley6:19

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       What, is there a fucking volcano under there?

   13. RERoss Edgley6:21

       [laughs] This is it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       That's nuts.

   15. RERoss Edgley6:22

       So they said it was the hottest month ever recorded in Italy. I got caught in this, um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       That's gotta kill fish, no?

   17. RERoss Edgley6:28

       Yeah, it was. I was swimming past fish that had been boiled alive.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Oh, my God.

   19. RERoss Edgley6:32

       Yeah. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Bro, by the way, go back to that picture of him. Jacked.

   21. RERoss Edgley6:36

       [laughs]

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Jackson

   23. RERoss Edgley6:38

       That was after Iceland. [laughs]

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       You look like the real live Wolverine in that picture.

   25. RERoss Edgley6:41

       [laughs]

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       It's like if Marvel Comics, if Wolverine ... That's what it looked like.

   27. RERoss Edgley6:45

       You can see the chafing on my shoulder there, but no cellulitis, thankfully.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       Thank-

   29. RERoss Edgley6:49

       Yeah

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       ... thank God.
5. 10:00 – 10:39

   Why do people do this? Self-discipline as self-discovery across cultures

   1. RERoss Edgley10:00

      I should have researched that. I think what's weird, and I'm glad we started, you know, our catch-up like this, because I think so often people go, "Why do you do it?" But I think now looking at the anthropology of us humans, the history of us humans across different cultures, different countries, we've always been doing this idea of self-discipline for self-discovery.

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:17

      Yeah.

   3. RERoss Edgley10:18

      You know, you look at the, the marathon monks of Japan, for instance, um, over seven years, over 1,000 days will almost do a marathon a, a, a day. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:25

      Those guys in Mexico from the Born to Run book?

   5. RERoss Edgley10:28

      Exactly.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:28

      Yeah.

   7. RERoss Edgley10:28

      The Tarahumara, whatever. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:30

      Yeah. They just-

   9. RERoss Edgley10:30

      Amazing

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       ... they run either barefoot or with small homemade shoes they make from rubber tires and shit.

   11. RERoss Edgley10:36

       Exactly.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       They make, like, sandals out of, like, retreaded tires.

6. 10:39 – 19:18

   Amazon initiation: ayahuasca week, snake-tongue ritual, and fire-ant silence test

   1. RERoss Edgley10:39

      Exactly. I mean, it's weird as well, like even going back further as well, so I, I ended up doing a documentary ages ago, it's about 20 years ago now. Did ayahuasca for a, a week in the Amazon jungle with the Yaminahua tribe. At the end of this week as part of the initiation in- into manhood, um, we basically then, this is such a random story, but we, they, they kill the snake and you have to bite the tongue out of the snake.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:04

      Pass.

   3. RERoss Edgley11:04

      [laughs]

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:05

      Hard pass. [laughs] I'd rather be a boy forever. Fuck you.

   5. RERoss Edgley11:09

      [laughs]

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:09

      You're gonna tell me I have to eat a snake's tongue to be a man. Next thing you know, you gotta suck a pig's dick.

   7. RERoss Edgley11:14

      [laughs]

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:15

      If you don't suck that pig's dick, you're not a real man.

   9. RERoss Edgley11:17

      [laughs] Fuck.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Says who?

   11. RERoss Edgley11:19

       [laughs]

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       Says some fucking guy in the jungle who doesn't even have Starlink. Fuck you.

   13. RERoss Edgley11:23

       [laughs]

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Fuck you, buddy. How about you get a pair of Nikes?

   15. RERoss Edgley11:26

       Well, I-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       You don't even have shoes, you fucking-

   17. RERoss Edgley11:28

       I was-

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       ... idiot. [laughs]

   19. RERoss Edgley11:29

       I was young and impressionable.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       [laughs]

   21. RERoss Edgley11:30

       I didn't question it, so I did it. I bit the tongue. [laughs] Joe, I bit the tongue. [laughs]

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       I would've bit the tongue too. I'm just fucking around. I would've definitely bit that tongue, especially if they brought me in and-

   23. RERoss Edgley11:39

       [laughs]

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       ... put face paint on me and shit.

   25. RERoss Edgley11:41

       That was it. I was caught up in the moment.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       [laughs]

   27. RERoss Edgley11:43

       I was caught up in the moment. I'm like, [laughs] we all do s- we all-

   28. SPSpeaker11:45

       Sorry for a sidetrack.

   29. RERoss Edgley11:46

       What?

   30. SPSpeaker11:46

       I got a sidetrack when I was looking up people biting tongues of snakes.
7. 19:18 – 22:30

   Siberia with the Evenki: survival culture, reindeer ‘semi-castration,’ and dog neutering debate

   1. RERoss Edgley19:18

      Oh. But I think it's, it's weird as well. This is gonna sound so strange, but I, I, I think sometimes that, that granted is strange because it's voluntary. But again, this is a weird example, but I was living with the, um In Olenek, so in Siberia with the, uh, Evenki herders out there. And I think so often we become too civilized. We, we kind of have civilization over survival, you know? And there's certain things that they do, whether it's, um, they rely on the reindeer. They, they kill them, they have them for their, for their milk, butter, make all sorts out of them. But this one particular story, I'm gonna apologize in advance now. But to manage the amount of reindeer that they have in these huge herds, they basically said to us, "Look, we need to basically castrate some of the male reindeer 'cause they're fighting. So we still need them, but we need to castrate them." I was like, "Okay, look, that's a bit off key, but give me the knife and I'll, I'll do whatever you need to do." And they said, "No, no, no, no. We'll stop you there, Ross. We actually do a form of, um, semi-castration. So we just wanna make them slightly more docile so they're not fighting as much and they're easier-

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:11

      They do it with their teeth?

   3. RERoss Edgley20:12

      Exactly that, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:13

      Yeah, they, they grab them from behind and they bite their nuts with their teeth.

   5. RERoss Edgley20:17

      That's exactly it, yeah. So when I was out there, they said, "Would you like to perform it?" I'm not proud of it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:22

      Ugh.

   7. RERoss Edgley20:22

      [laughs] But that's what I did. [laughs]

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:26

      I understand that they have to do that, like the way they geld horses. You know, they do that with horses as well.

   9. RERoss Edgley20:32

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       I understand it, but, uh, I don't wanna be a part of that.

   11. RERoss Edgley20:36

       [laughs]

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       I won't even do that to my dogs. Like, I went to a veterinarian once, and she literally cradled my dog, Johnny Cash. I had this, uh, mastiff named John- Johnny Cash. He was the best. And this lady cradled his balls. She goes, "What are these? Why are these here?" I go, "Well, those are his testicles, and he was born with them, and that's how his body produces testosterone." And she's like, "Wouldn't it be responsible to have him neutered?" And I was like, "Why would that be responsible? He's not having unnecessary babies."

   13. RERoss Edgley21:04

       Mm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       "Why would, why do you want his body to not produce testosterone? Is y- is it because there's a narrative? Is it because you profit off of it?" Like, what... Fortunately for me, I had a doctor when I first moved to Los Angeles, a veterinarian, who was an, a h- I mean, this guy was an animal lover. I mean, he was like a dog whisperer. I brought up my dog in, and i- immediately he was like my dog's best friend. And, uh, I said, "Should I get him fixed?" He goes, "No. There is no rea-" He, he goes, "You have a fence. Your dog's not gonna hop out and make puppies that aren't gonna be taken care of. If you're a responsible dog owner, don't get your dog fixed." I go, "Really? I thought it was, like, for their health so they don't get cancer." He goes, "Complete horseshit." He goes, "If dogs get cancer, it's most likely probably from really bad food."

   15. RERoss Edgley21:45

       Mm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       "They're eating shitty food, just like people get cancer." You know, not a lot of animals get cancer. It's not a nor- well, Tasmanian devils do.

   17. RERoss Edgley21:54

       Mm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:54

       But they get cancer from biting each other. They're one of the weirdest cases of cancer. They have a transmissible cancer.

   19. RERoss Edgley22:02

       Got it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:02

       Like Tasmanian Devil from the cartoon. You ever seen those fuckers in real life?

   21. RERoss Edgley22:05

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:06

       They, they have the craziest sounds.

   23. RERoss Edgley22:08

       Mm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       Anyway, my point is, don't cut your nuts off your dog if you're a responsible dog owner.

   25. RERoss Edgley22:13

       [laughs]

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:13

       'Cause they get tired. Even Huberman, we were talking about Huberman before, he did it to his bulldog and he felt bad, so he started giving his bulldog testosterone.

   27. RERoss Edgley22:20

       He said, yeah, when I caught up with him, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Yeah.

   29. RERoss Edgley22:22

       Did you choose why sharks don't get cancer as well? They've got these crazy immune systems.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       True, yeah.
8. 22:30 – 27:23

   Swimming with apex predators: great whites, tiger sharks, and bull sharks

   1. RERoss Edgley22:30

      My God. So I, yeah, I went swimming with, uh, great whites-

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:33

      Ah!

   3. RERoss Edgley22:33

      ... off Tasmania.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:34

      What?

   5. RERoss Edgley22:35

      Oh my God. Yeah, Joe, you-

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:36

      What? There?

   7. RERoss Edgley22:37

      Yeah, you'll be, you'll be aware of this as well.

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:38

      Where were you? Tasmania.

   9. RERoss Edgley22:39

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       So outside Australia.

   11. RERoss Edgley22:41

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:41

       The real ones.

   13. RERoss Edgley22:41

       Yeah, they, they get big.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       The real ones. Those are the OGs.

   15. RERoss Edgley22:44

       Yeah, yeah, they get big. They stop growing. The females certainly, they stop growing in length at a certain point, and they just get bigger. It's just a submarine with teeth.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:51

       Like New Zealand rugby players. [laughs]

   17. RERoss Edgley22:53

       Exact- exactly like that. Exactly like that. It is nuts. S- s- so they, they explained to me, they basically said they have something called, um, the ampullae of Lorenzini, so they're able to pick up electrical impulses. Is your heart beating q- quick? Are you, are you twitching? Do you look like prey?

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   19. RERoss Edgley23:08

       I was down there with some very experienced divers as well. We dived and we swam with them. On the dive, when we went down about 40 feet, what was nuts is they immediately knew that I was the weakest link. They immediately knew that I, I was kind of out of my depth when it came to diving, and they all just started swimming towards me like-

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       Oh, boy

   21. RERoss Edgley23:24

       ... and they're just going, "Ross, Ross, I'm not saying square up to it, but please stop breathing so heavy and acting like prey." So in that moment-

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       Oh my God

   23. RERoss Edgley23:33

       ... it was just strange how... We had a conversation, but it was obviously non-verbal and across species, that it was looking at me, came straight up to me. I sort of tried not to... Again, I'm not saying I squared up to it, but kind of was like, "Can I help you?" [laughs] And then it just went, "All right, you're okay," and just peeled off.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:48

       But you didn't panic.

   25. RERoss Edgley23:50

       No.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:50

       And if you panicked, that might've been the end.

   27. RERoss Edgley23:52

       Yeah, but just the, the way that they des- like I said, described that ampullae of Lorenzini, that they are just looking at me. There is this, it's a, this apex predator with just, like, thousands of years, and it's downloading data on me, and it just knew. 10 of us down there, and it knew that I was the weakest link.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:08

       Jeez.

   29. RERoss Edgley24:09

       Yeah. Crazy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       Well, it's probably so obvious, right? Those other guys are so comfortable in the water. They've done it a million times, probably have a very low heart rate down there.
9. 27:23 – 31:04

   Yukon River record swim: rapids, bleeding, and bears showing up

   1. RERoss Edgley27:23

      ... I would say th- then I was completely out of my depth. I've never felt more vulnerable in that moment. The other y- the only other time I felt vulnerable was, um, I broke the rec- record for the world's longest nonstop river swim. So it was 510 kilometers, uh, 60 hours, all the way down the Yukon River. We hit these, uh, the Five Finger Rapids at one point. Uh, I basically kinda just got thrown against rocks, uh, cut up pretty bad.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:44

      So where does this start? In the Yukon?

   3. RERoss Edgley27:46

      Yeah. Yeah, so it was at Whitehorse to Dawson. I hope I've got that the w- r- right way around. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:50

      So you're... Are you in BC? Like, where are you in?

   5. RERoss Edgley27:53

      In, in Yukon.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:54

      What is Yukon? It's, it's Alaska, right?

   7. RERoss Edgley27:55

      Oh, no, no, no. Uh, Canada.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:57

      Canada.

   9. RERoss Edgley27:57

      But it goes to Alaska. Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:59

       Okay.

   11. RERoss Edgley27:59

       If you continue with the Yukon River, it will eventually go to Alaska.

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:02

       So does it come down... What part of Canada does it come through?

   13. RERoss Edgley28:05

       Ooh, that's a good question.

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:06

       So it's cold as fuck, though, is my point.

   15. RERoss Edgley28:07

       It's freezing. Yeah. Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:08

       And what time are you going there?

   17. RERoss Edgley28:10

       We went, like, Ju-

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:10

       Oh, here it goes.

   19. RERoss Edgley28:11

       Oh, amazing. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       Jamie just showed up. Look at that.

   21. RERoss Edgley28:12

       We went July, I believe it was.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:13

       So the Northwest Territories. That's what they call it, right?

   23. RERoss Edgley28:15

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:16

       Is that what they call it?

   25. RERoss Edgley28:16

       Yeah. And we just... It was... It's just the wild, wild west out there. And I, we, we took off, like I said, we started, um, basically what was so, so strange is for the first 24 hours, didn't see much in the way of wildlife. I got thrown against these white water rapids, got hit on the rocks, and that's why m- the back of my legs are still cut up now. And then from that, the, the rules are no one can touch you. You can't touch the boat. So I'm like, "Guys, look, I can't stop." So I just pull my leg out the water like this, and as I do, blood is just dripping out the end of my wetsuit. Literally like clockwork, as soon as that happened, bears, wolves, everything. I said, "What's happening?" And they said, "Ross, they can smell the blood. You're like an ice cream van. You're just advertising yourself to all the wildlife now in the Yukon."

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       Really?

   27. RERoss Edgley29:00

       Yeah. Again, now the black bears, fine. As you know, they, they're, they're skittish. And it, it was so, for me, strange Englishman, first time dealing with bears. The black bears were looking just like, "What are you? I don't know." A bit skittish. The brown bears, no. [laughs]

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:13

       They look at you very different.

   29. RERoss Edgley29:15

       So d-

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:15

       They look right through you
10. 31:04 – 47:31

    Iceland: Vikings, berserkers, elves, and the ‘rendered reality’ theory

    1. RERoss Edgley31:04

       Yeah. Well, what was, what was kinda strange, that's kinda... It, it was so weird going from the Yukon, and then a year later we did the Iceland swim. And, and there were some of these old, uh, sort of modern-day Viking chiefs who basically were explaining about the concept of a berserker as well. Berserker obviously just meaning bare shirt, saying that these berserkers, these ancient Nordic warriors, would so often just try to embody the spirit of the animal. And there was even the, uh, ulfhednar, which are, um-

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       It's called bear shirts? That's what berserker means?

    3. RERoss Edgley31:31

       Yeah. Bare pelt, bare shirt, basically.

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       That's what berserker means.

    5. RERoss Edgley31:34

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       Wow.

    7. RERoss Edgley31:35

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       You learn something new every day, Jamie.

    9. RERoss Edgley31:37

       [laughs] So they would embody literally the spirit of the animal. And like I said, there was almost... From berserkers as well, there were almost, like, subcategories as well. So there were the, I hope I'm pronouncing it right, ulfhednar, which were the wolf warriors, and they were Odin's chosen warriors. There, there's stories of them just running into battle, no armor, basically naked, painted, biting down onto their shields as well and howling into the wind.

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:00

        You know, they were also doing mushrooms.

    11. RERoss Edgley32:02

        I know, right? Yeah. [laughs]

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:03

        Yeah. That was, that was one of the things about those fellows.

    13. RERoss Edgley32:06

        Mm-hmm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:06

        Berserker comes from the old Norse berserkr-

    15. RERoss Edgley32:09

        Yeah

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:09

        ... most likely meaning bare shirt or warrior wearing a bear skin.

    17. RERoss Edgley32:12

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan32:12

        Exact etymology is disputed, and alternative interpretation is bear shirt, referring to fighting without armor.

    19. RERoss Edgley32:19

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan32:19

        Huh. In plain English, it means a frenzied warrior. But I guess you have to be a pretty frenzied warrior to kill a fucking bear back then.

    21. RERoss Edgley32:26

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan32:27

        You know, there was no rifle, son. You had to do it in an intimate fashion.

    23. RERoss Edgley32:30

        Agreed.

    24. JRJoe Rogan32:30

        If you're gonna, if you're gonna kill a brown bear, you're gonna kill, uh, especially a male.

    25. RERoss Edgley32:35

        Mm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan32:35

        The ones in... If you get to anywhere where the salmon live, they get gigantic.

    27. RERoss Edgley32:40

        Mm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan32:41

        Which brought me to this terrible idea that I have that I really shouldn't put out there in the universe. But if you wanted to have, like, the ultimate really fucking dangerous jackass stunt, you would put these guys in salmon suits-

    29. RERoss Edgley32:53

        [laughs] That's a terrible idea. [laughs]

    30. JRJoe Rogan32:54

        ... and make them swim-
11. 47:31 – 53:46

    Finishing the Iceland swim under pressure: pregnancy deadline, storms, volcano gas, and ice

    1. RERoss Edgley47:31

       ... hard as nails. I said this, it's like it's just a country that's trying to kill you. When, when we were there, actually, at the very end... So I, I, basically I made it back by three days for the birth of my first child. And-

    2. JRJoe Rogan47:43

       Congratulations.

    3. RERoss Edgley47:44

       Thank you so much.

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:44

       That's awesome.

    5. RERoss Edgley47:45

       Oh, yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:45

       That's a life changer, huh?

    7. RERoss Edgley47:47

       Oh, it was amazing. Yeah, it was... B- b- but at the end, for instance, so, so like my girlfriend, she's amazing. We've been together 13 years. And the, the, basic- the University of Iceland said, "Look, if you can collect eDNA samples, environmental DNA samples around the coast of Iceland, we can track biodiversity in a level of detail we've never seen before." So we had them on board, we had sponsors on board, we had a boat on board, and then we found out we were pregnant. So I was like, "Oh."

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:08

       Oh.

    9. RERoss Edgley48:08

       So, uh, you know, I sort of said-

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:09

        In America, we frown upon that "we're" pregnant.

    11. RERoss Edgley48:12

        Oh, really?

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:12

        We frown upon that.

    13. RERoss Edgley48:13

        She's pregnant?

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:14

        Yeah, she's pregnant.

    15. RERoss Edgley48:14

        I'm pregnant.

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:15

        Bro, you definitely are pregnant.

    17. RERoss Edgley48:16

        [laughs]

    18. JRJoe Rogan48:16

        You definitely are pregnant. She's pregnant.

    19. RERoss Edgley48:18

        She's preg- [laughs]

    20. JRJoe Rogan48:19

        And when I say in America, I mean me. [laughs]

    21. RERoss Edgley48:22

        [laughs]

    22. JRJoe Rogan48:23

        I frown upon that kind of talk.

    23. RERoss Edgley48:24

        She's pregnant.

    24. JRJoe Rogan48:25

        Yeah.

    25. RERoss Edgley48:26

        She, uh, she's amazing. She just said, "Look, you know, go, but you need to make it back." So we had that hard deadline.

    26. JRJoe Rogan48:31

        That's a, that's a good thing to say.

    27. RERoss Edgley48:32

        Oh.

    28. JRJoe Rogan48:32

        You need to live.

    29. RERoss Edgley48:33

        Oh. [laughs]

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:34

        [laughs] You survive.
12. 53:46 – 1:08:24

    Grit, quitting, and brain hardware: ventral striatum, strategy, and reframing suffering

    1. RERoss Edgley53:46

       It is so true. But I was chatting to Huberman about this, 'cause I, I was just... I'm so aware that my dopamine system probably works a little bit differently, you know, in that if someone says, "Oh, let's go do a, you know, 24-hour swim," I go, "Eh." [laughs] And then they go, "Oh, three days, Pass Bears." I'm like, "Okay, hold my beer. I'm in." And I think that's what's so weird. But, but, and I know you and Huberman spoke about with your anterior midcingulate cortex.

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:06

       Yeah.

    3. RERoss Edgley54:06

       And that's the only way that I can actually... B- for me, it was so interesting chatting to, to him because in my head, when your tongue is falling off or, or, you know, you're just chafing cellulitis, I, I think of it like weighing scales, and that you kinda got grit or quit, pain and purpose. And at any point, the anterior midcingulate cortex, that part of your brain, is just weighing them up.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:27

       Yes.

    5. RERoss Edgley54:27

       And for me, you just need to s- as much pain as it is, you just need to outweigh it with as enough, enough purpose.

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:34

       Yeah.

    7. RERoss Edgley54:35

       If you do that, you'll continue. If not... And I think it's so inter- I mean, I love the UFC. There are certain fighters who if you did a scan, 100% their anterior midcingulate cortex would just be like this.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:46

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    9. RERoss Edgley55:45

       Mm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:45

        I was gonna bring this up earlier. One of the fighters got pulled from a card a few years back, I can't remember when, but it was because of, uh, exactly what you were talking about, like creatine levels in his blood.

    11. RERoss Edgley55:55

        Mm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:55

        And I was like, "What cre-" I, I was confused at the time. I didn't know, like, what that meant.

    13. RERoss Edgley55:59

        Mm.

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:59

        And I was like, "Cr- why creatine? What does that mean? He took too much creatine?"

    15. RERoss Edgley56:02

        Mm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:02

        Like no, his body's so broken down from training, it's not safe for him to fight.

    17. RERoss Edgley56:06

        Mm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan56:06

        I'm like, how is that possible?

    19. RERoss Edgley56:07

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan56:08

        Like, how does somebody show up at the actual fight day blown out? Junior dos Santos, "Fighting is worth the health risk because it's everything to me." Was it Junior?

    21. RERoss Edgley56:16

        Mm-hmm. Wow.

    22. JRJoe Rogan56:18

        He got pulled from a fight?

    23. SPSpeaker56:19

        It said CK down here, so uh-

    24. RERoss Edgley56:23

        Yeah. So I think, there you go. Rhabdomyolysis, breaking down. Yeah.

    25. SPSpeaker56:27

        Muscle fiber, treatable.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:29

        Oh, but I don't think that he got pulled from the fight.

    27. RERoss Edgley56:32

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:33

        I think this is just what happened to him-

    29. SPSpeaker56:35

        Oh, yeah, yeah

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:35

        ... in that fight. So that fight-
13. 1:08:24 – 1:39:39

    Ocean dangers and why people still seek the abyss (plus Goggins and the shadow self)

    1. RERoss Edgley1:08:24

       'Cause it's crazy. People don't understand, like, uh, certainly on the-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:08:26

       Drowning people are dangerous.

    3. RERoss Edgley1:08:28

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:08:28

       Because they'll hold onto you, and you won't be able to, like, get them to relax.

    5. RERoss Edgley1:08:32

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:08:32

       And then they won't let go of you, and then you're both drowning.

    7. RERoss Edgley1:08:35

       Exactly. It's in Ice, on the south coast. It's called Reynisfjara. It's considered, like, literally one of the most dangerous beaches in the world. And they have these sneaker waves that just come from nowhere. And we were there, and p- I think it was a family, I think it was a little girl who lost her life. But witnessing it as well, there were so many tourists who thought it was fun to run up as close as they could. And as the waves crash over, they get a selfie and they run. And I was like-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:08:58

       Oh

    9. RERoss Edgley1:08:58

       ... "I don't, I don't wanna be like..."

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:08:59

        Oh.

    11. RERoss Edgley1:08:59

        "Oh, here we go."

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:00

        What the fuck, dude?

    13. RERoss Edgley1:09:01

        Yeah, thank you Jamie. Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:01

        That's like some shit right out of Lord of the Rings.

    15. RERoss Edgley1:09:03

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:09:03

        Look at that. That doesn't even look real.

    17. RERoss Edgley1:09:05

        But the sneaker waves-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:09:05

        That looks like Mordor

    19. RERoss Edgley1:09:06

        ... the sneaker waves from there, they will come from nowhere.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:09:10

        Fuck.

    21. RERoss Edgley1:09:10

        And they will just absolutely sm- yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:09:11

        Fuck you.

    23. RERoss Edgley1:09:12

        There you see the tourists there in that one.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:09:13

        I don't go anywhere near that shit. Fuck you.

    25. RERoss Edgley1:09:15

        Oh, there you go. Yeah, so you would have tourists-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:09:17

        Oh

    27. RERoss Edgley1:09:17

        ... when we were there, and I, I, I felt, I was so conflicted, 'cause I was, I was like, "Look, I don't wanna be a killjoy or anything." There's people taking pictures while sitting on those rocks, and then you just saw massive waves. We left, and then an hour later we saw helicopters overhead, we heard ambulances, and we, we knew the worst had happened.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:09:34

        Yeah, you can die. You can die doing that.

    29. RERoss Edgley1:09:37

        That's-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:09:37

        That is... A, a guy who was a WWE wrestler died a few years ago.
14. 1:39:39 – 1:59:01

    Fight cardio, mind games, and ‘training to lose’: MMA parallels to endurance

    1. RERoss Edgley1:39:39

       G- g- going back to the cardio, I wanted to ask your opinion on this.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:39:42

       Okay.

    3. RERoss Edgley1:39:42

       Uh, best cardio in the UFC, or MMA, actually, in history.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:39:45

       Oh, boy.

    5. RERoss Edgley1:39:46

       I'm gonna go, I'm gonna put some up there. Merab.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:39:49

       Merab is probably-

    7. RERoss Edgley1:39:49

       Bisping.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:39:50

       Yeah. B- Bisping had phenomenal cardio.

    9. RERoss Edgley1:39:52

       Mm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:39:52

        Bisping would melt people.

    11. RERoss Edgley1:39:54

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:39:54

        I remember his fight with J- Jason "Mayhem" Miller, who was very talented.

    13. RERoss Edgley1:39:57

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:39:58

        Bisping just melted him.

    15. RERoss Edgley1:39:59

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:39:59

        Just, his pace was insane. Uh-

    17. RERoss Edgley1:40:00

        Nick Diaz.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:40:01

        Nick Diaz, insane pace.

    19. RERoss Edgley1:40:03

        Yep.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:40:03

        Nate Diaz also.

    21. RERoss Edgley1:40:05

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:40:05

        Also incredible cardio.

    23. RERoss Edgley1:40:06

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:40:06

        There's a lot of these guys now. It's like, it's, we're, we're in a realm now of, of athletes, Joshua Van, insane cardio.

    25. RERoss Edgley1:40:13

        Mm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:40:13

        Insane cardio. Joshua Van, who's the flyweight champion, the fifth round fights like he's in the first round.

    27. RERoss Edgley1:40:18

        Mm-hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:40:18

        Insane.

    29. RERoss Edgley1:40:19

        Mm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:40:19

        The level now is, is, is at an all-time high.
15. 1:59:01 – 2:18:23

    Strength-reserve endurance: why Ross stays ‘jacked’ and how swimmers train like lifters now

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:59:01

       like Jon, you have to have all these things. Like, uh, uh, perfect technique, incredible work ethic, when he does work, uh, amazing talent, and an IQ for it.

    2. RERoss Edgley1:59:11

       Mm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:59:11

       It's, that's a f- a really underrated factor, is Jon knows what to do with each op- famously will not take a fight on short notice.

    4. RERoss Edgley1:59:19

       Mm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:59:20

       Even with a guy like Chael Sonnen, who, on paper, you could wake Jon up at 3:00 in the morning, he's gonna fuck Chael Sonnen up.

    6. RERoss Edgley1:59:26

       Mm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:59:26

       On paper. No disrespect to Chael. He's a great fighter, but there's levels, and I think Jon is just on a complete... And he's a larger man, right? Chael did his, some of his best work, almost won the title against Anderson Silva at 185.

    8. RERoss Edgley1:59:38

       Mm. Mm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:59:39

       Jon is never making 185. He's a much bigger man.

    10. RERoss Edgley1:59:42

        Mm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:59:42

        And Jon would not take a fight with Chael Sonnen on short notice.

    12. RERoss Edgley1:59:45

        Mm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:59:45

        And then when, when he did take a fight with Chael Sonnen, he fucked him up in the first round.

    14. RERoss Edgley1:59:49

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:59:49

        He just annihilated him.

    16. RERoss Edgley1:59:50

        Even with a bad toe.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:59:51

        And, well, he smashed his toe in the process.

    18. RERoss Edgley1:59:53

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:59:53

        He was pushing off the ground-

    20. RERoss Edgley1:59:55

        Mm

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:59:55

        ... so hard that he twisted his own fucking toe around.

    22. RERoss Edgley1:59:58

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:59:59

        I think we isolated it in a replay, where we could see the moment where his toe snapped.

    24. RERoss Edgley2:00:03

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan2:00:03

        And it was 'cause he was delivering ground and pound with such force that as he was pushing off, he snapped his own toe and turns it around.

    26. RERoss Edgley2:00:12

        Oh. [laughs]

    27. JRJoe Rogan2:00:12

        And to this day, when he fights, he has to tape those toes together.

    28. RERoss Edgley2:00:15

        Oh. [laughs]

    29. JRJoe Rogan2:00:15

        To this day.

    30. RERoss Edgley2:00:16

        Oh.

Episode duration: 2:43:37