Joe Rogan Experience #2570 - Mystery Boys

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 1:35

   PHP security flaw and the fear of an encryption-free future

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Hey. So hey, fellas.

   2. KMKurt Metzger0:14

      Hey, man.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell0:15

      Good to see you.

   4. KMKurt Metzger0:15

      What's up?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      So what is this internet thing? Explain this to me. I didn't wanna do it off the air.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:20

      I think Jamie should explain it-

   7. KMKurt Metzger0:21

      Oh, no

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:21

      ... 'cause it's, it's out of my league. It's something to do with PHP certificates, uh, some ability to counterfeit websites. You go into a website and it does some kind of check, and this thing is a, a massive security flaw that's existed-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:35

      Uh-

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:35

       ... I think for 14 years, right Jamie? Like, 14 years.

   11. KMKurt Metzger0:39

       There's the f- I saw the, so what I, I just saw this-

   12. DTDuncan Trussell0:42

       Oh, God thank you, dude

   13. KMKurt Metzger0:42

       ... popping up yesterday online, like a bunch of-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Okay

   15. DTDuncan Trussell0:44

       You're the best

   16. KMKurt Metzger0:45

       ... warnings from a d- bunch of different Twitter accounts, including-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       So-

   18. KMKurt Metzger0:48

       ... the FBI Cyber Division

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       ... let's read this. "FBI Cyber Division. Two critical vulnerabilities have been identified in PHP, a widely used programming language that powers websites and web applications. These vulnerabilities," uh, blah, blah, blah, sh- uh, "could allow malicious cyber actors to remotely execute code in PHP core, potentially compromising sensitive data and networks. FBI urges organizations to take the following steps now." So it tells you all the thing, things to stay, to do to... So we're fucked.

   20. KMKurt Metzger1:18

       Well, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       So what's, what's happening is, uh, AI is eventually going to figure out the code of everything that exists, and there'll be no more encryption. That's gonna be gone. There's gonna be no more passwords.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:30

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       That'll be useless.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:32

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       And it's gonna get very squirrely, because money is online.

3. 1:35 – 4:58

   From 'Octopus Murders' to suspicious deaths and Vince Foster

   1. KMKurt Metzger1:35

      Haven't they already, uh, made that... I mean, that Octopus scandal was all about that backdoor they put into everything way back when, so...

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:42

      What is the Octopus scandal? Which one's that?

   3. KMKurt Metzger1:44

      You know, Octopi, it's connected to Epstein, all them. It was like security software.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:47

      I don't know. You always do that.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell1:48

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      You, "You know. You know."

   7. KMKurt Metzger1:50

      [laughs]

   8. DTDuncan Trussell1:50

      [laughs]

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      Like, bitch, do we-

   10. KMKurt Metzger1:50

       I feel like he's had a guest or autumn talk about it

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       ... I don't know that Oct- but not Octopus. Have you heard of that before?

   12. KMKurt Metzger1:54

       Well- Yeah, there's a whole documentary on Netflix about it ... there you go. The Octopus Murders.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell1:57

       Four-part documentary.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       Oh, The Octopus Murders.

   15. KMKurt Metzger1:58

       It's the same thing, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       That's connected to that.

   17. KMKurt Metzger2:00

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       Oh, okay.

   19. KMKurt Metzger2:01

       So, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       I watched one episode of that, or, uh, the beginning of it. I didn't watch the whole... I heard it's fucking incredible.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell2:07

       Yeah, the guy-

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       But I only watched a little bit and then I got distracted

   23. DTDuncan Trussell2:09

       ... the guy managed to like slash both his r- like, the way he committed suicide-

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Right

   25. DTDuncan Trussell2:13

       ... it's very suspicious.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       Like the Enron whistleblower that shot himself in the head twice?

   27. DTDuncan Trussell2:17

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       That guy's fucked.

   29. KMKurt Metzger2:18

       Did he shoot himself in the head twice?

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       Twice.
4. 4:58 – 6:33

   Trump, wars, and the 'fake' war on drugs

   1. KMKurt Metzger4:58

      He's doing 4D chess where he tells you everything. Remember he came on here and he was like sounding pretty good, and then immediately, uh, rug pulled everyone. Like, how long did that take, the rug pull of Trump, would you say?

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:08

      What, what do you mean? Like-

   3. KMKurt Metzger5:09

      How long before we knew the war in Iran?

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:11

      The war in Iran was, uh, what? A year?

   5. DTDuncan Trussell5:13

      Yeah, he, he waited a year.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:14

      Yeah.

   7. KMKurt Metzger5:14

      Well, then we have the stupid, um, war on dr- narco terror, which is always fa- anybody talking about that's a fucking lying phony. So the Department of War.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell5:22

      [laughs]

   9. KMKurt Metzger5:23

      The o- the guy who's got all the Brylcreem in his fucking hair and the Templar tattoos.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell5:27

       Hagseth.

   11. KMKurt Metzger5:27

       That's right.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell5:28

       [laughs]

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       Forgot his name.

   14. KMKurt Metzger5:30

       Yeah, I guess

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       ... so that, but you think the war on drugs is fake? Like, when they're blowing up those... What do you think is going on?

   16. KMKurt Metzger5:37

       Well, I, I think at most it was probably marijuana guys g- not even going to America. The idea of Venezuelan cocaine is pro- I, I used to do a lot of coke, dude, and I, I heard every kind of cocaine and never heard of no Venezuela coke.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell5:48

       That's true. I've never heard of Venezuelan blow.

   18. KMKurt Metzger5:50

       Yeah, this is pure Venezuelan, dude.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       Oh.

   20. KMKurt Metzger5:51

       You ever heard that?

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       Is it only Venezuela that they were blowing up those boats?

   22. DTDuncan Trussell5:54

       Well, maybe they were moving-

   23. KMKurt Metzger5:55

       They just murdered people

   24. DTDuncan Trussell5:55

       ... the blow through Venezuela

   25. KMKurt Metzger5:56

       ... uh, actually, you, you already know this. I, I-

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Right

   27. KMKurt Metzger5:58

       ... I do it for the podcast people to hear it, though

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       ... but I, I think they were probably trying to cripple their money train before-

   29. DTDuncan Trussell6:04

       Well-

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       ... they invaded them. Oh, I was reading about what they did to them.
5. 6:33 – 8:18

   Non-lethal weapons: heat rays, Havana Syndrome, and crowd-control reality

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:33

      Well, let's take this one step at a time.

   2. KMKurt Metzger6:34

      [laughs]

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:35

      Pentagon allows DHS to test a heat ray weapon for possible use at the border.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell6:40

      Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      Okay. But what is the... Find out that thing that they-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell6:43

      Discombobulator? The discombobulator.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:45

      Yeah, is that what they're calling it? [laughs]

   8. DTDuncan Trussell6:46

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      But they were talking about it today, like what it actually does.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell6:48

       Oh, today?

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, at least on this article that someone sent me on Twitter.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell6:53

       Doesn't it raise the temperature of your, like, cells by a little bit-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       [laughs]

   14. DTDuncan Trussell6:57

       ... or something, and just, like, fries your innards? [laughs]

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       But they, the thing-

   16. KMKurt Metzger7:00

       So it's just microwaving you exactly.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell7:01

       It's a microwave.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:02

       It's just they were saying that it doesn't kill you, so it's non-lethal technically.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell7:06

       Right. Technically.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       But you're never the same.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell7:07

       You're fucked. You have burns-

   22. KMKurt Metzger7:08

       Well, the beanbag-

   23. DTDuncan Trussell7:09

       ... in your veins

   24. KMKurt Metzger7:09

       ... fucking shotguns are... They say less than lethal, I thought.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       The beanbags are not as scary as the rubber bullets. The rubber bullets take-

   26. KMKurt Metzger7:15

       Yeah, they'll kill you

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       ... your eyes out.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell7:16

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       Those take your eyes out.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell7:18

       Yeah.
6. 8:18 – 9:55

   Screen time, doomscrolling, and kids on poison algorithms

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      I'm just trying to stay offline. I'm just trying to keep it together.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell8:20

      Are you really?

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:21

      Yeah.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell8:21

      How, how, how many, how many hours of screen time do you think you, you're doing a day?

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:26

      I d- I still s- watch stuff, but it's mostly YouTube videos.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell8:30

      Okay.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:30

      The, most of my use on my phone if I'm bored is YouTube videos.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell8:34

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:34

      And it's all pretty either educational or interesting.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell8:38

       If you had to guess, social media, how many, how many-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       An hour. Hour a day.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell8:41

       That's, that's admirable.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       I'm trying.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell8:44

       What's the average-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       It's not good

   16. DTDuncan Trussell8:45

       ... screen time, Jamie? Do they have that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       Probably five or six hours.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell8:47

       That's insane.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       Yeah. It's probably five or six hours. And on good days, I have zero hours. Good days, I just stay completely off of it.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell8:53

       Those are the best days.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       But today wasn't a good day. Today, I got up early, had to take my kid somewhere, and then I got up in the morning and did a little work, and then I was tired and I took a shit, and that's when I started watching my phone. Then I watched my phone a little bit and I'm like-

   22. DTDuncan Trussell9:07

       Yeah

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       ... "All right, I gotta get to work."

   24. DTDuncan Trussell9:08

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       But it was like, after eating breakfast and sitting there with your phone on, you just feel like such a loser. You're like, "I'm wasting time."

   26. DTDuncan Trussell9:15

       Seven hours a-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       Seven hours a day

   28. DTDuncan Trussell9:15

       ... seven fucking hours a day.

   29. KMKurt Metzger9:17

       I'm usually editing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:18

       That's crazy.
7. 9:55 – 11:23

   Elsagate and the pipeline to disturbing children’s content

   1. DTDuncan Trussell9:55

      And do you, do you guys-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:55

      I'm just fascinated

   3. DTDuncan Trussell9:56

      ... do you guys remember the... Sorry to cut you off. Do you guys remember the YouTube Spider-Man videos? Do you remember those? The really weird-

   4. KMKurt Metzger10:03

      Okay, Spider-Man/Elsa-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:04

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

   6. KMKurt Metzger10:04

      ... is one of the reasons for the apocalypse, yes.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell10:06

      Jamie, can you pull that up? Jamie, do you mind pulling up the Spider-Man/Elsa videos? Which is-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      Yeah

   9. DTDuncan Trussell10:11

      ... if you left your kid on YouTube long enough before they changed it, it was like a slippery slope that led to increasingly fucked up videos, and no one was sure where these videos were coming from.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       Right.

   11. DTDuncan Trussell10:23

       And that... It was, it was... And they all, they-

   12. KMKurt Metzger10:24

       Do you want to know what the final explanation was?

   13. DTDuncan Trussell10:26

       What?

   14. KMKurt Metzger10:27

       Um-

   15. DTDuncan Trussell10:28

       Yeah, please

   16. KMKurt Metzger10:28

       ... so this is, this is the one that I would've explained it with, is, okay, so they basically use an algorithm. They know kids psychologically are fascinated with, like, getting a shot or pregnancy or whatever.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:38

       Or violence.

   18. KMKurt Metzger10:39

       Or violence or bugs, and they mix it together into gibberish that's colorful so the kids stay on it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       Mm-hmm.

   20. KMKurt Metzger10:45

       And then, okay, so that's, like, uh, the main... And that's probably pretty reasonable, but no, I think that's testing something too. I don't, I don't think it was just-

   21. DTDuncan Trussell10:52

       Yeah

   22. KMKurt Metzger10:52

       ... "Oh, it was just these greedy people were doing a thing." There is no way something like that exists that our f- our, our government didn't learn everything they could about and how to weaponize, and also it was probably them.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell11:02

       It gave you... Can you find an actual cartoon of it, Jamie? 'Cause it, it gave you a weird feeling watching them.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       Right. Yeah.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell11:07

       Like, it felt bad.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       There was a lot of the cartoons, they'd get drunk and someone would smash their head and there'd be blood all over the place.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell11:14

       Yeah.

   28. KMKurt Metzger11:14

       Or they'd get a shot.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       And you'd be like, "What the fuck?"

   30. KMKurt Metzger11:15

       Or Spider-Man's pregnant, and then after he gives birth, he's so relieved, like he took a shit.
8. 11:23 – 19:26

   Pedophile codewords, eerie emails, and why no one explains it publicly

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:23

      Wasn't there some of those things where they showed that pedophiles were communicating with each other in the comments?

   2. DTDuncan Trussell11:30

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:30

      They were, like, using comments and code words.

   4. KMKurt Metzger11:32

      Are you most of the things for kids?

   5. DTDuncan Trussell11:33

      They, they, they were just... So, like, they would-

   6. KMKurt Metzger11:35

      Roblox and every other thing like that?

   7. DTDuncan Trussell11:36

      They'd have-

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      Yeah

   9. DTDuncan Trussell11:37

      ... like, kid videos, like, you know, kids at a swimming pool, and then they would... The, the, in the comments would be the exact- ... time where if you went to that frame, you could see a kid's ass. Like, that's what they were doing, is so that you'd have to waste your time-

   10. KMKurt Metzger11:48

       It's kind of suspicious that you know that

   11. DTDuncan Trussell11:49

       ... watching the whole, [laughs] watching the whole video.

   12. KMKurt Metzger11:52

       What's the timestamp?

   13. DTDuncan Trussell11:53

       Yeah.

   14. KMKurt Metzger11:53

       'Cause that's a test. If you know, then you're going to jail.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell11:55

       The timestamp? Generally 3:22

   16. KMKurt Metzger11:56

       Like, where do you see the ... [laughs]

   17. DTDuncan Trussell11:59

       [laughs]

   18. KMKurt Metzger12:01

       Generally.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:02

       Is there a number that's attached to, like, pedophile stuff, like 420's attached to weed?

   20. DTDuncan Trussell12:06

       I don't know. Probably.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       They probably know. Like 187 is murder, right?

   22. DTDuncan Trussell12:09

       Probably. It seems like they got a lot of code words, for sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       Oh, for sure.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell12:13

       It's a whole thriving underground-

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       Pizza, beef jerky.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell12:16

       Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       Right?

   28. DTDuncan Trussell12:17

       Yep.

   29. KMKurt Metzger12:17

       You know pizza also could be cocaine.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:19

       Nobody ever explains ... They should ... Well, whoever the fuck wrote those emails that's alive, they should be brought into a room publicly. Like, what are you talking about?
9. 19:26 – 21:30

   AG1 Pro ad break

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:26

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   2. DTDuncan Trussell20:29

      It's fucking weird. Th- this-

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:31

      Like, what are those videos?

   4. DTDuncan Trussell20:32

      I don't know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:32

      Like, what do you think is the-

   6. KMKurt Metzger20:33

      It's, it's, uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:33

      Somebody had to put effort into these.

   8. KMKurt Metzger20:35

      Well, yeah. It's a, it's to speak to subconscious. It's like a twilight language.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:39

      So what do you think it's doing to your kids? Like, what it, what it, what is the goal of these videos?

   10. DTDuncan Trussell20:43

       It's discombobulating them. It's giving them nightmares. It's like he's saying. It's getting deep into your psyche.

   11. KMKurt Metzger20:47

       It's turning them into a fucking gender blob.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell20:49

       Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is the kind of shit the person who, like... This is all the shooters probably what they were watching as kids. Go back to that, what, the Pregnant Spider-Man.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:58

       So do you think-

   14. KMKurt Metzger20:58

       Yo, this is shit that an MKUltra-

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:00

       Wow

   16. KMKurt Metzger21:00

       ... in the '50s should have to watch.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell21:01

       See that shit?

   18. KMKurt Metzger21:01

       You'd be forced to watch it all night.

   19. SPSpeaker21:03

       The section videos-

   20. DTDuncan Trussell21:04

       [laughs]

   21. SPSpeaker21:04

       ... seems like Vietnam had something like this

   22. KMKurt Metzger21:04

       Ping pong balls on your eyes and have to watch that shit.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell21:07

       And they, they just get pumped out. Like, that's what's weird about it, is they just appear, these channels appear. They get populated with these bizarre animations. They disappear, they reappear.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:17

       Well, what's really weird is they started coming out before AI was even available.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell21:20

       Yes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       So somebody had to put some money into making those cartoons.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell21:22

       That's right, yeah.

   28. KMKurt Metzger21:23

       Yeah, shit.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell21:24

       And also, there's a lot of animation f- in, in Vietnam. A lot of people send their shit to get animated there, so.

10. 21:30 – 33:59

    Disney adults, autism, propaganda, and the 'child sacrifice' framing

    1. KMKurt Metzger21:30

       Hey, um, uh, how about this? We already know the damage just growing up with Disney cartoons did to everyone.

    2. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       What?

    3. KMKurt Metzger21:36

       We already see the damage of that.

    4. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       What did it do?

    5. KMKurt Metzger21:39

       Well, Disney adults, for one thing. Do you think that's a thing that should exist?

    6. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       Mm.

    7. KMKurt Metzger21:42

       You don't think that's a-

    8. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       They're happy.

    9. SPSpeaker21:44

       [laughs]

    10. JRJoe Rogan21:45

        They're happy.

    11. KMKurt Metzger21:46

        The fucking-

    12. DTDuncan Trussell21:46

        If they weren't doing that, they'd be trading coins.

    13. JRJoe Rogan21:48

        [laughs]

    14. DTDuncan Trussell21:49

        Says the guy dressed like an elf.

    15. SPSpeaker21:51

        From a hotdog.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell21:51

        Listen to the fucking hotdog. Fucking-

    17. KMKurt Metzger21:53

        Yo, dude

    18. DTDuncan Trussell21:53

        ... it's back.

    19. KMKurt Metzger21:54

        It, it, it's, it's absolutely-

    20. JRJoe Rogan21:55

        Listen to the techno cowboy.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell21:56

        [laughs]

    22. KMKurt Metzger21:57

        And then-

    23. DTDuncan Trussell21:57

        Listen to the CI- CIA cowboy.

    24. KMKurt Metzger22:00

        [laughs]

    25. DTDuncan Trussell22:01

        Sorry. Sorry. [laughs]

    26. JRJoe Rogan22:02

        Jesus Christ. We're on the air.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell22:04

        [laughs]

    28. JRJoe Rogan22:06

        Fuck.

    29. KMKurt Metzger22:06

        Okay.

    30. JRJoe Rogan22:07

        Dude.
11. 33:59 – 37:12

    Historical U.S. biowarfare tests and the morality of secret programs

    1. DTDuncan Trussell33:59

       Yeah, but you know, in some way-

    2. KMKurt Metzger34:00

       Yeah. We also, they've done it on purpose many times. Remember that. Don't you remember what they did to them kids in Kansas City, what they did to people in San Francisco? They drizzled that cobalt shit on, uh, Black kids in, uh, Kansas City.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell34:11

       What cobalt shit?

    4. KMKurt Metzger34:12

       The, yeah. Uh, uh, I can't remember what, Cobalt-13 or something.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       Was this the one from the fans? No, that was a different thing.

    6. KMKurt Metzger34:17

       This is the Army.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:18

       The San Francisco was the one-

    8. KMKurt Metzger34:18

       They went to a building next to another, another building, okay? And then they, they weren't using, like, a plane even. They were just spraying it into these kids.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell34:24

       What?

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:24

        That's right, right. That, I don't remember what it was, though.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell34:27

        Why?

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:27

        You said it's cobalt?

    13. KMKurt Metzger34:28

        To see what, what it would do.

    14. JRJoe Rogan34:30

        They wanted to see how much they could affect people-

    15. DTDuncan Trussell34:32

        Fuck

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        ... in case they wanted to use, like, a bioweapon? But I'm sure it's-

    17. KMKurt Metzger34:34

        Well, I'm sure it's reformed since there's no justice ever for these people. I'm sure it's gotten better.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:38

        Well, they did with MKUltra. That stopped.

    19. DTDuncan Trussell34:41

        It stopped.

    20. KMKurt Metzger34:41

        Oh. All right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:42

        [laughs]

    22. DTDuncan Trussell34:42

        It stopped.

    23. KMKurt Metzger34:42

        That's a fair point.

    24. DTDuncan Trussell34:43

        They don't do it anymore.

    25. KMKurt Metzger34:44

        Okay.

    26. JRJoe Rogan34:44

        So, but San-

    27. KMKurt Metzger34:44

        The bagula, I stand corrected

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:45

        ... San Francisco, they were trying to see if they could spread a disease, so they spread like a cold, right? Didn't they? Like, they spread something like the flu.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell34:54

        Oh, yeah. They put it in the subways.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:55

        Is that what they did?
12. 37:12 – 40:24

    Nazis, OSS/CIA lore, 'strategy of tension,' and Perplexity fact-checking

    1. KMKurt Metzger37:12

       Did you know, I just found this out, uh, the OSS, when they, you know, merged with the remaining Nazis of the SS to form the CIA-

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:18

       What?

    3. KMKurt Metzger37:19

       ... it wasn't... Yeah. That's how they got that. But it was-

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:22

       What? [laughs]

    5. KMKurt Metzger37:22

       ... the world's-

    6. DTDuncan Trussell37:22

       Jesus Christ.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:23

       Let him roll, baby. You gotta let him rip.

    8. KMKurt Metzger37:25

       You mean what?

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:26

       It's good shit, baby.

    10. KMKurt Metzger37:27

        How do all these people-

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:27

        Just let him rip

    12. KMKurt Metzger37:28

        ... wait, you had all them CIA guys, none of them know this?

    13. SPSpeaker37:30

        Hold on, hold on. Say it again. Say it again. How did it go?

    14. KMKurt Metzger37:31

        Matt, all them CIA guys on here-

    15. DTDuncan Trussell37:33

        Jesus

    16. KMKurt Metzger37:33

        ... none of them know this?

    17. SPSpeaker37:34

        Say it again.

    18. JRJoe Rogan37:34

        I don't know.

    19. KMKurt Metzger37:35

        That the OSS-

    20. DTDuncan Trussell37:36

        He said this to me too, and I'm like, "No, I don't know it. Nobody knows this."

    21. JRJoe Rogan37:38

        He always does that. He looms over you-

    22. DTDuncan Trussell37:40

        Nobody knows

    23. JRJoe Rogan37:41

        ... and then goes, "You don't know?"

    24. DTDuncan Trussell37:42

        He's got his vacuum ready to-

    25. KMKurt Metzger37:43

        You know what? My hat-

    26. SPSpeaker37:44

        Okay

    27. KMKurt Metzger37:44

        ... this hat was not good with the headphones, guys. Really.

    28. JRJoe Rogan37:46

        So explain it again. The OSS, what happened with the Nazis?

    29. KMKurt Metzger37:49

        After the war, they merged with the SS, you know, Otto Skorzeny, I believe, the, that carried on, um, Gladio. That's the strategy of tension where you fund, like, uh, both sides of the thing, so you, you, you've heard of this.

    30. DTDuncan Trussell38:02

        The strategy of tension.
13. 40:24 – 46:49

    Theranos, charisma as sorcery, and the ethics of dramatized 'true stories'

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:24

       Oh my God. Dude, are you watching this... Have you watched The Dropout, the Elizabeth Holmes Hulu series?

    2. KMKurt Metzger40:29

       I've- no.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       I-

    4. KMKurt Metzger40:30

       How is it?

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:31

       It's so good. It's so good. I get... I'm be... I'm wondering, is it so good because I got really engrossed in the story when I was listening to The Dropout podcast?

    6. KMKurt Metzger40:41

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:41

       But I've been watching the show, and, you know, just because I, I haven't seen the movie yet.

    8. DTDuncan Trussell40:45

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:45

       I wanna watch the show and then see the movie.

    10. DTDuncan Trussell40:47

        Right. Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:47

        But the fucking ch- that chick, Ama- what's her name? Ana- Amanda Seyfried?

    12. SPSpeaker40:51

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:52

        Holy shit, is she good, dude.

    14. KMKurt Metzger40:54

        Oh, she plays her?

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        She's so good, dude.

    16. DTDuncan Trussell40:55

        Oh, wow.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:56

        You see, her, she slowly starts changing her voice.

    18. DTDuncan Trussell40:59

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:59

        She's, she acts completely autistic through the entire show. She's fucking really good, dude.

    20. DTDuncan Trussell41:04

        Wow.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:04

        That mo- that show is crazy.

    22. DTDuncan Trussell41:06

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:06

        I can't believe I didn't even-

    24. KMKurt Metzger41:09

        Look at the comparison, though

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:09

        ... hear anybody recommend it before.

    26. KMKurt Metzger41:11

        Look at that

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:13

        Oh, yeah, big difference voice

    28. DTDuncan Trussell41:14

        Hooray for Holly, baby

    29. KMKurt Metzger41:15

        I mean, I'm, I'm kind of for-

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:16

        Boy
14. 46:49 – 1:00:30

    Tokoloshe theory: engineered 'NHIs,' human hybrids, and mind-war folklore

    1. KMKurt Metzger46:49

       Um, so they m- it's eugenics and dysgenics. And, um, a, a big thing that I just learned of, and it's from South Africa, this whole Tokoloshe.

    2. DTDuncan Trussell46:57

       Oh, this is good.

    3. KMKurt Metzger46:58

       Yeah, on Mystery Boys. Uh, oh, this one, it already be on by then.

    4. DTDuncan Trussell47:00

       This is fucked up.

    5. KMKurt Metzger47:01

       So you know what Tokoloshe is?

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       No.

    7. KMKurt Metzger47:03

       [laughs] Uh, Credo Mutwa, who's the shaman that David Icke likes from South Africa that taught him about the lizards.

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       [laughs]

    9. KMKurt Metzger47:10

       You know that guy?

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:11

        No. No.

    11. KMKurt Metzger47:12

        You've never had either Credo... No, I'm joking. All right, so-

    12. DTDuncan Trussell47:14

        [laughs] Dr. Lizards?

    13. KMKurt Metzger47:16

        You don't know Dr. Lizards?

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:17

        Wow.

    15. KMKurt Metzger47:18

        Anyway, he, it's in his book, but, uh, they would have practice, uh, which, like the fucked up ones, where they take like a pygmy or, uh, which I guess a small person. I, I'm not, not clear, but it's a human, a pygmy, right? It just means they're small, small in the jungle or something.

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:33

        Okay.

    17. KMKurt Metzger47:33

        They take them or a disab- like someone who's got a disability or a muta- you know, any kind of a malformed person.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        Right.

    19. KMKurt Metzger47:40

        Or these... They would grab these people and raise them like, they put like bent, uh, wood to like, make their limbs grow weird, to turn them into like monstery goblin. And then, and then, uh, just tort- it's just torturing a human and mutilating them until they're crazy and think they're a, another entity, like a supernatural entity, called Tokoloshe. The CIA studied that, okay? And it brought that shit here. And so the four NHI, I say, are... This is why the aliens need sperm and ova, because they're making this stuff out of people. It's all, they've been doing this shit under the Energy Commission probably since '48.

    20. JRJoe Rogan48:16

        It's so creepy.

    21. KMKurt Metzger48:17

        They've been doing-

    22. JRJoe Rogan48:18

        What?

    23. KMKurt Metzger48:18

        So remember the, the-

    24. JRJoe Rogan48:18

        They're making this shit out of people?

    25. KMKurt Metzger48:20

        Now we-

    26. JRJoe Rogan48:20

        So you're saying that they're these non-human intelligences-

    27. KMKurt Metzger48:23

        They're human. They made, they mixed them with shit.

    28. JRJoe Rogan48:25

        They're, they made them.

    29. KMKurt Metzger48:25

        Yes.

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:25

        The people made them.
15. 1:00:30 – 1:12:43

    From time-space ripples to CERN, consciousness extraction, and 'classified reality'

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:30

       I mean, you kinda look at everything that's going on, right? And where... That's when I heard the miasma shit, I was just thinking like I, I think it, maybe it's glyphosate, maybe it's microplastics, or maybe it's something we just haven't figured out yet

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Like DDT. Like, they didn't know what was going on with DDT.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:45

       Right

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       And then they're like, "Oh shit, we gotta stop using this."

    5. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:48

       Or ti- you know-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       "We're killing everybody"

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:00:49

       ... here's my crazy idea, is a lot of mental illness is related to distortions in the time-space continuum that are happening right now. Ripples in time-space are causing people to go nuts as we approach the singularity.

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:01:02

       Right

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:02

       Take it from here, Kurt

    10. KMKurt Metzger1:01:03

        Uh, I'm sick of you time-space bashing, first of all.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:06

        [laughs]

    12. KMKurt Metzger1:01:07

        You can say that

    13. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:08

        No, I'm saying that like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

        This show's very problematic

    15. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:10

        ... a lot-

    16. KMKurt Metzger1:01:11

        Okay, well, explain-

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:11

        ... a lot of what's hap-

    18. KMKurt Metzger1:01:13

        ... what you're saying

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:13

        I'm saying that, uh, you know, they talk about this. They, they can measure these... Thank you. They measure these waves that happen when black holes collide, right? They ripple time-space. It ripples through the universe. And we're time-space... I just feel like a lot of the sh- a lot of the strange things that are happening, mental illnesses, maybe even like cancers and stuff, are potentially related to people who've been rippled, the time-space rippled them weird. And there's no way to measure that or find it. I know it... No, you're not-

    20. KMKurt Metzger1:01:45

        It's a take

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:45

        ... taking it back now.

    22. KMKurt Metzger1:01:46

        Oh.

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:01:46

        I... No, but I, I, you know, we just don't know. In the same way they didn't know about germs, we... What happens if time-space ripples through you? Why are, why do we assume that everything stays the same? Like, I don't mean to get into the CERN particle accelerator shit, but when you look at-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

        Please do

    25. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:03

        ... when you look at that stuff, when you're like smashing the smallest parts of the universe together and creating bizarre transformations, everything's connected to everything. What effect does that have on everything else? And we just don't know. But if you look at like CERN, if you look at the nuclear testing, if you look at all these things we've been doing and look at history post those moments, shit got weird, and it got weird fast. And I don't know, this is just something I kick around at night when I'm-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

        It's not a bad thought

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:02:34

        Yeah

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

        Like, we don't know-

    29. KMKurt Metzger1:02:35

        I don't know what any of that means

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:35

        ... if they created the Higgs boson when they, they did that, when they figured out element 115. Yeah, who knows what they're doing-
16. 1:12:43 – 1:28:11

    Ancient DNA, skull anomalies, giants, and 'little people' in the jungle

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:12:43

       So that, you- you've seen those images of those elongated skulls from Peru, right?

    2. KMKurt Metzger1:12:47

       Yes.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:12:47

       Yes.

    4. KMKurt Metzger1:12:47

       It's as old as every civilization is altering people to make them, foot binding, castration.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:12:52

       No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

    6. KMKurt Metzger1:12:53

       What?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:12:53

       The Peru skulls are different.

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:12:54

       No, I know.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:12:55

       Like, well, go, those-

    10. DTDuncan Trussell1:12:55

        What do you mean?

    11. KMKurt Metzger1:12:56

        Yeah

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:12:56

        Well, they're, they're, they're actually bigger.

    13. KMKurt Metzger1:12:59

        That's right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:12:59

        Like, it's not, they're not elongated.

    15. KMKurt Metzger1:13:01

        Dan was telling us about it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:13:02

        They have a-

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:02

        Oh

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:13:02

        ... 30% larger brain capacity.

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:04

        Oh, weird.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:13:04

        The shape is different.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:05

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:13:06

        They don't have the sagittal crest or the whatever they call it, the sagittal suture.

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:10

        Oh, I get it, I get it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:13:10

        The, the line that we have in our skull-

    25. KMKurt Metzger1:13:12

        Yeah

    26. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:12

        ... I get it

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:13:12

        ... as we're kids and our brains grow.

    28. DTDuncan Trussell1:13:14

        I get it.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:13:14

        Their lines are totally different. It's like a totally different kind of person.

    30. KMKurt Metzger1:13:17

        Yo, that's why got blood types.
17. 1:28:11 – 1:47:06

    AI backlash, 'fake AI' labor, water-use corrections, and making content anyway

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:28:11

       Which is exactly right now what people are wrestling with with AI and AI escaping the sandboxes, which it's doing. These swarms of autonomous AI agents. You know, a, a researcher interacted with one of these swarms, you know that? It called itself a fleet, and it, like, was interacting with some agent. It's happening right now.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:28:31

       Yeah.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:28:31

       Except, you know, ours, like, you know, in the, in the Book of Genesis, they, um ... Are you jerking off to vacuum?

    4. KMKurt Metzger1:28:37

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:28:38

       What are you doing? He's talking.

    6. KMKurt Metzger1:28:39

       I'm jerking off to this fucking AI bullshit.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:28:41

       I mean, it's literally happening, though.

    8. KMKurt Metzger1:28:43

       Dude, there's way worse things that were already happening way before the AI. Don't get caught up in that. There's way worse.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:28:47

       What do you mean don't get caught up in that?

    10. KMKurt Metzger1:28:48

        First of all, the AI thing-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:28:49

        Wait a minute. Why, why, why does it have to be quantified? It's still crazy. AI is literally artificial intelligence. It's a, it's a mind that they're creating that is programming itself and is already smarter than anybody alive. It's already broken mathematics.

    12. KMKurt Metzger1:29:05

        Have you talked to one that's like that? I haven't.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:29:07

        Well, you don't have to because you're not dealing with these, like, the, the, the, the levels that they're at before it reaches the general public is fucking insanity.

    14. KMKurt Metzger1:29:16

        That's right. So they're, yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:29:17

        By the time you get a ChatGPT 5.0-

    16. KMKurt Metzger1:29:20

        Right

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:29:20

        ... the, the shit that they can do-

    18. KMKurt Metzger1:29:22

        Right

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:29:22

        ... is off the charts, man.

    20. DTDuncan Trussell1:29:23

        It's insane, man.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:29:23

        The, the fact that you're like, "Don't pay attention to that," that's literally insane.

    22. KMKurt Metzger1:29:27

        What I'm saying is this.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:29:28

        It's a digital God.

    24. KMKurt Metzger1:29:29

        I'm saying, I'm saying I just got done telling you about ETOCLASH, which is the scam of fucking aliens, and-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:29:32

        Yeah, I'm not sure if that's real

    26. KMKurt Metzger1:29:33

        ... they keep doing scams. Uh, uh-

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:29:36

        I don't think it's a scam

    28. KMKurt Metzger1:29:36

        ... until I know it's not a bunch of Indian guys in a room in a body bod full of cell phones, uh, you know? I wanna see that.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:29:41

        It's not.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:29:41

        [laughs]
18. 1:47:06 – 2:04:10

    Promoting 'The Experts' and reflecting on creative collaboration (Midnight Gospel, South Park)

    1. KMKurt Metzger1:47:06

       Well, The Experts it's called now.

    2. DTDuncan Trussell1:47:06

       You guys have been working nonstop on this.

    3. KMKurt Metzger1:47:07

       Originally it was called The Cut Out, but now it's called The Experts.

    4. DTDuncan Trussell1:47:09

       I saw it.

    5. KMKurt Metzger1:47:09

       But it's doing pretty good.

    6. DTDuncan Trussell1:47:09

       It's good.

    7. KMKurt Metzger1:47:10

       He came.

    8. DTDuncan Trussell1:47:10

       It's good.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:47:11

       And you're gonna put this on what?

    10. KMKurt Metzger1:47:12

        It's on YouTube right now.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:47:13

        Right. Is, uh, that's where it's gonna stay?

    12. KMKurt Metzger1:47:16

        Uh, I don't know. They're gonna try to s- Emergent Order is the-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:47:17

        Are you trying to sell it? Are you trying to bring it somewhere? Or are you just trying to, like, just put it on YouTube?

    14. KMKurt Metzger1:47:21

        Well, I don't own it. Emergent Order owns it. I was just trying to get money for it.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:47:25

        Who, who-

    16. KMKurt Metzger1:47:25

        Emergent Order is the company

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:47:27

        ... who are they?

    18. KMKurt Metzger1:47:27

        They're down here. They make, uh, the Dad Saves the World. It's like a libertarian kind of Daily Wire, I guess you could call it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:47:34

        Oh, okay.

    20. KMKurt Metzger1:47:35

        Um, and, uh, they were paying for-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:47:36

        And so they funded this whole thing?

    22. KMKurt Metzger1:47:38

        What'd you say?

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:47:38

        They funded it?

    24. KMKurt Metzger1:47:39

        Yeah. Really, it was this one lady who's, like, got a good sense of humor, I would say. [laughs] It was this one lady, kind of funny. Yeah, that's what all these things are, is some rich person. But it came out pretty funny, man. I'm pretty happy with it.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:47:48

        And what is it?

    26. KMKurt Metzger1:47:49

        Uh, it's about, uh, a team ... So they wanted a pitch about this real woman whose name is Christina Dent, who, uh, was a foster mom in Mississippi, and she found out the drug war sucks. And she gives, like, Ted Talks about how we should try to, like, legalize it 'cause of the bl- I, I'm with her. It's just, y- I would find it pretty remedial. Like, I'm like, "Yeah, obviously we should do that." But, you know, it's Mississippi. Okay. So they want a comedy based on her, which, like, what?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:48:15

        What?

    28. KMKurt Metzger1:48:15

        I, I don't know how the hell you're supposed to make it ... Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:48:17

        What a crazy idea.

    30. KMKurt Metzger1:48:17

        So I decided to make it about people ... Well, I made it about people that are against that.

Episode duration: 2:43:41