The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - April 28, 2018
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Going live: fight companion setup, Reebok gear, and weed/USADA rules
- BSBrendan Schaub
Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
- EBEddie Bravo
$15? (burps)
- JRJoe Rogan
No. Three, two... Boom! And we're live, ladies and gentlemen. Live! Mauro Ranallo and Big John McCarthy.
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, Eddie Bravo rocking the old school Helio Gracie shirt. I love that shirt.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Hey, respect, man. Respect.
- EBEddie Bravo
Respect. Deep respect. Brendan motherfucking schump. Oh, and I got a "Sugar" Sean O'Malley shirt. I might strip down later and put this motherfucker on. Is that the best shirt Reebok's ever made?
- JRJoe Rogan
It might be. Might be one of the dopest shirts in history-
- EBEddie Bravo
It's pretty great. It's pretty great.
- JRJoe Rogan
...of Reebok.
- EBEddie Bravo
Reebok's getting better, man. I'll give it to them.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm wearing a pair of Reeboks right... Oh, nope.
- EBEddie Bravo
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
I thought I was. I'm not.
- EBEddie Bravo
I thought I was for a second, too. I did tell you. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I had them on earlier today.
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I had a p- Reebok sent me a bunch of sneakers. But that's a dope shirt right there.
- EBEddie Bravo
Yeah. You know me, I was super critical on them for a while. They're getting way better, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- EBEddie Bravo
Way better.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is good.
- EBEddie Bravo
That, that... They... When they posted that I, I got my boy who works at Reebok, I sent him a screenshot and went, "Goddamn, you guys hit this one out of the park."
- JRJoe Rogan
They're embracing it. They're embracing the fact that he's a stoner, like heavy duty.
- EBEddie Bravo
Yeah, it's just a fun shirt, but it's so tight.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He talks about weed?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, gang, like, go to his Instagram. Dude's getting high all day.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Didn't you see him on the last uh-
- EBEddie Bravo
How does he fight?
- 1:27 – 4:11
Dillon Danis’ MMA debut: elite jiu-jitsu, shaky striking, and the guard-pull finish
- JRJoe Rogan
So, Dillon Danis. This is not his MMA debut, is it?
- EBEddie Bravo
Yeah, it is.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, it is. Oh-
- JRJoe Rogan
It is.
- BSBrendan Schaub
It is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Against Kyle Walker. And Eddie, tell us about Dillon's jujitsu. He's pretty high level.
- EBEddie Bravo
Yeah, he's one of the best around, for sure. He had a, an amazing match with Gordon Ryan at 2017 Abu Dhabi. I mean, the fight was really close. It could've went either way, and they gave it, the judge's decision gave it to Gordon. And Gordon went on, went on to win his division. So, he's, he's top of the food chain. And, you know, he was with Marcelo Garcia. He got his black belt from Marcelo Garcia.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, Marcelo kicked him out for shit talking, right? Isn't that the deal?
- EBEddie Bravo
For, you know... He, he started hanging out with Conor McGregor and, and Marcelo Garcia's the opposite of that, that kind of shit talking, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, like super humble.
- EBEddie Bravo
Incredibly humble.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah, you would think though that Marcelo and him would work it out though, like give the guy-
- EBEddie Bravo
Kinda have a chat.
- JRJoe Rogan
... a black belt. And the guy's a high level black belt. Like obviously if you ever met-
- EBEddie Bravo
It was just too much drama. It was a lotta drama.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you ever met Dillon in real life, he's a super nice guy.
- EBEddie Bravo
He's a great guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's just trying to make some money.
- EBEddie Bravo
He, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's smart. Let's see.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He said he talked shit to Jon Jones on...
- JRJoe Rogan
Here we go. Oh, that's stupid.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
All these guys talking shit that Jon Jones is eventually going to have to meet him and they will get slapped.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Well, but then, but then I saw Dillon when the Conor and Floyd fight. Me and him sat next to each other. He was the nicest guy in the world, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at his stance.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I'm a fan.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's very Conor McGregor-esque, with that stance.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Same coachings, right? Same coaching, same camp.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, dude, he-
- 4:11 – 10:11
Post-fight: leg-lock cringe factor, tapping late, and Danis’ awkward mic moment
- EBEddie Bravo
Per- per- perfect opponent. I don't have a problem giving him a warm up fight like this. For his first one-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- EBEddie Bravo
... first MMA fight, your Bellator...
- JRJoe Rogan
He's still down.
- EBEddie Bravo
It could be worse. Could be Ian Pico, your first fight. You know what I'm saying?
- JRJoe Rogan
There's those things, man. When I see a dude get his knee ripped apart like that, like that dude's fucked. Look at him, he's in pain.
- EBEddie Bravo
You could get your shoulder ripped apart in a Kimura-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- EBEddie Bravo
... the exact same way, so...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I know. But it's, it's weird, right? I mean, I'm not saying it makes sense-
- EBEddie Bravo
You just gotta know when to tap.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- EBEddie Bravo
That's it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah. I, I think the problem is guys aren't too familiar with what goes on with the leg locks, so by the time they're tapping, it's too late.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but what I'm saying is, for whatever reason, for me, when I watch it, I cringe more with leg locks.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Agree.
- EBEddie Bravo
I agree.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like if I see a guy get his arm broken, it doesn't bother me. Like I see a guy get his knee ripped apart-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Is it because we're not used to seeing it?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know, man. Maybe it's 'cause I know the tap... Like you only have so much time to tap. Like your shit's gonna explode. Maybe it's just... I don't know. I don't know.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But when a guy's really good at it, you know, if you fuck up an ankle, he's out for a grip.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yep, yep. Oh, damn, that's a nasty one too.
- EBEddie Bravo
Oh, he had a toe hold. Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nasty toe hold.
- EBEddie Bravo
I, I... I had a bad angle. It was a toe hold. I thought it was a heel hook initially.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I thought so too.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But they, they didn't really show it though. You couldn't see his back was T-rated?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
At least you couldn't see it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you know what, man? I mean, I like the fact that he's in there, but man, I feel like w- just watching him move with his stand up, I'd like to see him...
- 10:11 – 18:41
Bellator card preview and ‘testing’ jokes: PED culture from Pride to modern commissions
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, there's some good fights on this card. Okay, uh, Rafael Lovato versus Gerald Harris, I like that fight.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Great fight.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a fight, that's an interesting fight, man.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Fe- Fedor-
- JRJoe Rogan
Rory Nelson versus Mirko Cro Cop, they've been giving him the testing, son.
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They've been giving him the testing, apparently.
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you, but do you believe they're testing? When I hear Belator's testing, I always like wink wink.
- BSBrendan Schaub
That's like the Olympia.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, Mr. Olympia. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
We tested Bromo. Dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really? What did he do?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Come on.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you give him like a written test?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, come on.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
What did you take today?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, let's get real.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Nothing. I didn't take nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs) A written test. Just a written test.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dudes are fucking eating hay and snorting they're on so much equipoise. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
Dude. That's like, uh, Canelo. He came back, he did that, uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... hair follicle sample.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hair test, yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But people are saying bullshit, though.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Uh, they, I guess, the, the, the way it was done. Like, how do we know it's his hair? It's coming from his camp exclusively.
- 18:41 – 25:30
Scientology network detour and Tom Cruise’s extreme stunts (and injuries)
- JRJoe Rogan
I think that's true. What? There's a Scientology network?
Mm-hmm.
What? Curious.
Yeah, they just started it recently.
Get the fuck outta here.
Yeah.
And they're ad- they're advertising it on Paramount?
Pssh.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Holy shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Curious?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Oh, boy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Does it ev-
S- space.
Despa- Despot is Paramount.
I guess.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Well, they might be pay- they got b-
- JRJoe Rogan
Get that cash.
- BSBrendan Schaub
That's Tom Cruise money, son.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I guess so.
- BSBrendan Schaub
You ever drive by a Scientology building? I drove by last night-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... like, "Oh."
- JRJoe Rogan
I got to test once.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I want in, in there.
- JRJoe Rogan
I got to test. I, I went to one of those things-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Know you did.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they held the cans. Yeah. I was, uh, filming a TV show for CBS and we were outside in San Diego and, uh, while we had some down time they had this thing set up, like a stress test and you go and you hold onto these cans and they ask you questions. (laughs)
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
I think, I wanna say Brian did stand-up in there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did he?
- 25:30 – 28:54
Neiman Gracie fight + Askren/UFC hypotheticals: co-promotion barriers and dream matchups
- JRJoe Rogan
No. I don't think anybody beat, like, two minutes and 20 seconds or some shit. (sniffs) Here we go. Neiman Gracie ready to choke a motherfucker.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Last time I saw him fight was on that, uh, uh, Newark, uh, Met Square Garden card. I think it's Renzo's nephew, isn't it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, correct. Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He looks hyper-aggressive. He looks like a henzo nephew.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sniffs) Big kid, man. And so the other guy is Javio Torre- Javier Torres, is that his name? Does it say, Jamie?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I think that's right.
Did you see Roy MacDonald asking Ben Askren to sign with Bellator?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. And Ben Askren wants to do it, too. (coughs) Um, uh, Ben Askren still owes fights with ONE FC though, so they would have to do some sort of a co-promotion.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's under contract with them?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he owes two fights. He owes two fights with ONE FC.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Hey, ONE FC, I know you're listening. Do us all a solid. Do all the hardcores a solid. Let him out, man, so he can go to UFC.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-mm, never gonna let him out. What they would do is they would co-promote. (clears throat) And it's possible, you know-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Not if he wants to fight in the UFC.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's possible.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Oh, hell-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's possible.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... the UFC co-promote with ONE FC?
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, you would have to ... It would have to be favorable conditions with the UFC, where, like, they just, you know, it, it-
- BSBrendan Schaub
They can stream it?
- JRJoe Rogan
... they make some sort of a deal.
- BSBrendan Schaub
With O- ONE FC can stream it or some shit?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Something. There would have to be something.
- BSBrendan Schaub
God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or they give them a piece of the revenue, but it would have to be a very small piece.
- BSBrendan Schaub
The odds are already against him to sign with the UFC.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- BSBrendan Schaub
And then you go, "All right, now you gotta make this deal with ONE FC," and Dana's gonna be like, "Kick Ross, man. I tried."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what he should do is he should get out of that contract. That's what he should do.
- BSBrendan Schaub
And just smoke two dudes real fast?
- 28:54 – 36:05
Leg locks in MMA: ‘Hail Mary heel hooks,’ safety, and how long it takes to defend them
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't it crazy how leg locks are now making their way much more prominently in the U- in MMA now? You're seeing much more leg lock action.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Unless you're focused on it, I feel like, okay, you're fighting Dillon Danis. Only have six weeks to get ready for that? You're not gonna learn the leg lock game.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's fucked. He's fucked.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's fucked.
Is that fair to you? There's no way, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, he's fucked.
- BSBrendan Schaub
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
He just can't get out of that one.
- BSBrendan Schaub
If you're going against a high-level leg locker, it's gonna take you four years to catch him.
Right? So these, these guys, they're so far behind, they're like, "Fuck Dillon Danis."
Here it is.
"Let's work on leg locks. It's too late."
Here it is. Here it is, son. (clears throat) Oh.
He's doing the right thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but his both legs are tied up, man. He's so stuck. That's such a gross feeling.
- BSBrendan Schaub
You could do it in two years. It doesn't have to be four years.
Average, but ... Two years if you're the ... if, if you're the good coach.
If you're gonna try to battle someone at, like, you know, uh, Renzo Gracie guy leg lock level-
Yeah.
... (sighs) it's gonna take you at least two years to, to stalemate, at least.
And also, you gotta focus on that, right?
And you've got to be training every goddamn ... Yeah, you gotta focus on-
Most guys, most guys aren't doing that.
Yeah, and that's the thing with MMA is, uh, generally in MMA l- leg locks were thought of as, as a technique you don't really ever need to even focus on, 'cause it just ... In MMA there were ... Too many people have gotten knocked out going for leg locks, so the general consensus is don't really worry about leg locks in MMA, they're too dangerous anyways. But-... they're, um, they're, uh, you can get knocked out. It is dangerous in MMA, but they still work. You just gotta know which leg lock positions are the safest. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
This is pretty sick.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... you know, if nothing else is working out, if, if you can't take the guy down, he's beating your ass and it's the third round, you lost the first two rounds, it's the last round, you know, going for a heel hook, it might be a great idea. And if you practice them-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a good option.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... and if you're good at them-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... you have hope in that last round. You know what I mean?
- 36:05 – 42:46
Arm triangle mechanics + studio upgrades: mats, traction, and demonstrating techniques on camera
- BSBrendan Schaub
He's got the clamp.
Oh, you're screwed, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's a tight one, baby.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You see how he, like, manipulates those legs? That guy's done that to a lot of fucking people.
- BSBrendan Schaub
At this point-
Holy shit.
... he could've, he could've, he could've defended right here if he would've just brought his legs up and hooked his own left leg.
And turn away, yeah?
He could've just went like this, like this.
And turn away, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Like this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now when, when guys do that though, you go to the impaler, right?
- BSBrendan Schaub
You have to go to the back. Yeah, it, but you gotta do that before he grabs-
- JRJoe Rogan
But do you, but when a guy grabs his legs, do you still go to the impaler?I've seen you. I've seen you separate-
- BSBrendan Schaub
At that point in-
- JRJoe Rogan
... guys' legs.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... I- I- I rarely do an arm triangle not mounted.
- EBEddie Bravo
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Interesting.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Rarely. I stay in the mount.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why do you stay in the mount and-
- BSBrendan Schaub
So the-
- JRJoe Rogan
... not go side to side?
- BSBrendan Schaub
... because the, because the one defense I was just telling you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, right, right.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... hook, hooking your own leg?
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't do it from the mount.
- BSBrendan Schaub
That stops all arm triangles. There's... You're forced to go-
- 42:46 – 51:09
Bellator tournament talk: Bader as a dark horse, plus Jon Jones/DC gap discussion
- BSBrendan Schaub
Dude, am I crazy to think B-Bader's the dark horse to win the heavyweight tournament?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, he could win it. B-Bader's still very, very good. And n-not that King Mo's not. King Mo can fucking punch, and he, at one point in time at least, was a world-class wrestler. King Mo was a beast of a wrestler.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Oh, he still is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Phenomenal athlete.
- BSBrendan Schaub
One of the best I've ever seen.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's, he's had some injuries, man. And he had really, really bad staph.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think the staph got him at least twice. I wanna s- I know he got it once, but I wanna say he got it twice real bad. He had r-real bad staph. Like, come on, man. Bader's probably at the top of his game right now.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, Bader's in his prime.
- JRJoe Rogan
When he beat Phil, I was like-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "Holy shit, he beat Phil Davis." And he took him down a bunch of times.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, look, he's at the top-
- BSBrendan Schaub
They're close fights.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of his game. He's at the top of his game.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah, you look at the heavyweight division-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
... in that tournament, Bader's my dark horse, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bader is a, he is a legit world-class fighter that is actually probably at his best right now. I would say that Ryan Bader, right now, is in his prime. Here's the thing, though.
- BSBrendan Schaub
(clears throat)
- JRJoe Rogan
Even in his prime, he's not at the level of Jon. And that was over in the UFC.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Oh, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
In the UFC.
- BSBrendan Schaub
But who is, though? Who is?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- BSBrendan Schaub
Maybe Daniel?
- JRJoe Rogan
... Daniel.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Gustafsson?
- JRJoe Rogan
Daniel-
- 51:09 – 1:04:49
MMA, stand-up comedy, and Hollywood: rising comics, sitcom grind, and ‘jizz in the soup’ executives
- BSBrendan Schaub
Do you, do you ever have fake arguments? You ever have fake arguments in your head?
- JRJoe Rogan
With myself?
- BSBrendan Schaub
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I used to do that all the time. I used to pretend someone would say this back to me, I was like, "Well I will. Like fuck you, I'm gonna say this back to you."
- BSBrendan Schaub
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I would write, and then sometimes it would be with a dude and then I would run into him to talk to him, thinking we're gonna have this big argument-
- BSBrendan Schaub
And he's awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and he's like, "Hey man, I'm sorry."
- BSBrendan Schaub
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
"We, we, I fucked up. I was drunk."
- BSBrendan Schaub
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Sorry, dude. Give me a hug."
- BSBrendan Schaub
You had all this shit, you had all this shit prepared. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And then I abandoned it immediately. I think there's so much of how people interact with each other c- could be just way different with just a little shift in how we talk to each other and how we think about each other.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I did that last night. I was doing a set at the Laugh Factory in, uh, we were talking about off here, Santino and Theo Von, I was going, you know, in between them. I had this whole dialogue in my head 'cause they're like, "Oh, we're gonna stay and watch your set." I go, "That'd be cool." And as soon as I got done, I was like, "Oh, I bet fucking Santino thought that sucked," and this and this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I'm like literally go, and he'd come to the back, he was the nicest guy ever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Santino's a very nice guy. He's fucking funny, man.
- BSBrendan Schaub
He destroyed last night.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a funny dude.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Creative.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's like young guys that are coming up that I go, "Oh, look at you."
- BSBrendan Schaub
Him, him, him and Theo-
- JRJoe Rogan
"Look at you, fella."
- BSBrendan Schaub
... last night back, back to back I was like, "You motherfuckers are monsters."
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you seen his bit he does about The Rock? You gotta ask him to do it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
Santino?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. 'Cause he doesn't, he's, it's, he has so much material that he stopped doing it, I guess. He'll do it, but if you bring it up, he'll do it.
- BSBrendan Schaub
I would love that.
- JRJoe Rogan
I asked him to do it one night and he did it for us in the, the OR. Dude. He-
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