Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 9, 2020

Joe Rogan 0:02 Yee-haw! Happy new year, friends. Happy new year.

Eddie Bravo 0:05 Happy new year.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Happy new year.

Eddie Bravo 0:06 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 0:07 Happy new year. Yes.

Eddie Bravo 0:07 The boys.

Brendan Schaub 0:08 Mm.

Joe Rogan 0:08 Good to see you. Br- Brian Cowan's, uh, allegedly on the way. We've got all kinds of, uh, libations here. And, uh, what the fuck were we just talking about? I said save it. I said don't say it.

Eddie Bravo 0:19 World War II.

Brendan Schaub 0:20 Bodies. What do they do with the bodies.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Before that though. It was something before that.

Brendan Schaub 0:22 Mines, fields, size of Paris.

Joe Rogan 0:25 No, it was even before that.

Brendan Schaub 0:26 Oh, meat carnivore diet.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Oh, okay. Maybe it's that. Yeah. So I'm, uh, 10 days in, I think. Something like that. Today's the 9th, so I'm 11 days in. I started a couple of days before and I've been eating nothing but meat. Bacon, steak, elk meat, lot of extra fat. If I eat the elk meat, I eat a lot of bacon.

Brendan Schaub 0:43 How's that cholesterol, son?

Joe Rogan 0:45 I don't know. I got my blood work done, uh, last Monday. I'll get the results back soon, and then I'm gonna do it again at the end of the month. But I've already lost seven pounds.

Eddie Bravo 0:54 You feel good?

Joe Rogan 0:55 Dude, I, I feel slim, dude.

Eddie Bravo 0:57 You look good. When you came in, I was like, "Yeah, he's looking tight."

Joe Rogan 0:59 This bitch. Pshh.

Eddie Bravo 1:00 Boy's thick.

Brendan Schaub 1:01 ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01 I lost my belly. I had a gut. I was getting a gut.

Eddie Bravo 1:03 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:04 I was ge-... It d-... This is where I get fat instantly, right here. It goes right here and then it starts pushing out.

Eddie Bravo 1:09 I think all dudes do, right?

Joe Rogan 1:11 I don't know. Some people get it in their face. I get it in my face too. I feel it in my face when I'm washing my face.

Eddie Bravo 1:16 Oh, hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16 My face feels smaller.

Eddie Bravo 1:17 Oh, totally.

Brendan Schaub 1:17 Yeah, I get it in both.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 1:18 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:18 But that's weird that when you feel your face, you're like, "Damn, my face feels smaller."

Eddie Bravo 1:21 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Like, you know the shape of your face from... 'Cause you wash your face every day, so you get in there-

Eddie Bravo 1:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26 ... and you're like, "Oh, this is, like, less face."

Eddie Bravo 1:28 Also, a fat face is a bummer.

Joe Rogan 1:30 It's a bummer.

Eddie Bravo 1:30 Yeah, I'm fatter than I've been ever.

Brendan Schaub 1:32 Unless... (clears throat)

Eddie Bravo 1:33 I'm, like, 190 right now.

Joe Rogan 1:34 Jesus.

Eddie Bravo 1:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:35 But it, d- here's the thing that's good about it. I'll s-... I'll tell you what's bad about it first. Diarrhea is rough. And eating only steak, it's boring.

Eddie Bravo 1:42 I like diarrhea.

Joe Rogan 1:43 But i-... the kinda diarrhea that I'm talking about is, like, c- confusing.

Eddie Bravo 1:46 Explosive. It's, like, explosive.

Joe Rogan 1:47 It's like you gotta run. Like, you do not trust your butt hole. It's like, you know-

Eddie Bravo 1:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:51 ... it's not telling you until the fire's at the door.

Eddie Bravo 1:54 Release the heavens. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:54 (laughs) It's not seeing the fire in the horizon-

Eddie Bravo 1:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:56 ... and warning you to get to the bathroom. It's like the fire is at... It's making your door knob hot.

Eddie Bravo 2:02 It's coated.

Brendan Schaub 2:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:02 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 2:02 What if you're, what if you're s- starving-

Joe Rogan 2:04 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 2:05 ... you're far from home, and there's a Burger King and that's it. There's a Burger King for the n-

Joe Rogan 2:10 I'll just order four Whoppers and then I'll take the meat out of them, and I'll just eat the meat.

Eddie Bravo 2:15 Okay.

Brendan Schaub 2:16 Gangster.

Eddie Bravo 2:16 That's it.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Yeah. I'm gonna do it for the whole month. I had an olive. I guess I cheated a little.

Eddie Bravo 2:21 How dare you?

Joe Rogan 2:21 I had an olive.

Eddie Bravo 2:22 Fuck, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Yeah. You c-... I've... You know, I've had a, a glass of wine here and there, and I guess that's, you know... But that's just drinking things.

Eddie Bravo 2:29 Why'd you decide to do it?

Joe Rogan 2:30 I wanna see what's up 'cause I, I know a lotta people that I respect that have tried it. Like Jordan Peterson in particular. That guy's a fucking genius. And when he's telling me what a massive impact it's had on him cognitively, he said that intellectually, he said his, in his prime. He said all of his, uh, immune system, autoimmune issues went away. And I... That's... Vitiligo is an autoimmune issue, so I'm seeing what happens with that too. But that, that isn't really spreading any. But with him, he was having gum issues, receding gums. That went away. H- his gums actually came back and his serious gum disease-

Eddie Bravo 3:01 Didn't his daughter... Wasn't his daughter sick too? That's why they started?

Joe Rogan 3:04 She's got serious, uh, arthritis, like, really bad. And-

Eddie Bravo 3:08 But it helped it, right?

Joe Rogan 3:09 Uh, t-... See, this is what it is. It's an elimination diet, so instead of your diet breaking down a bunch of different things, it's just breaking down one thing.

Eddie Bravo 3:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:17 And this one thing that human beings have been eating since the beginning of time. Like, this idea that human beings are herbivores is pretty much nonsense. One of the main reasons why we became what we are, they think, is because we started eating meat and we started getting better access to protein from cooking it 'cause we figured out how to harness fire. And then through hunting, we started getting m- more devious and started to, you know, thinking and having better critical skills. And then eating mushrooms. They think all those things is... But that's just the mechanic.

Eddie Bravo 3:43 Are you taking supplements though?

Joe Rogan 3:44 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 3:45 Yeah. 'Cause you have to, right?

Joe Rogan 3:46 Vitamins.

Eddie Bravo 3:46 'Cause you're not getting every-

Joe Rogan 3:47 No, I wouldn't think you would.

Eddie Bravo 3:47 You think, you think you have any fans that are vegan?

Joe Rogan 3:50 Oh, hell yeah.

Eddie Bravo 3:50 Oh, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 3:50 You do?

Eddie Bravo 3:50 For sure.

Joe Rogan 3:50 I meet 'em all the time. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 3:52 Yeah. 'Cause I, I have a couple vegan students that, um, uh... Man, one said, "I don't listen to JRE no more-" Hater. "... because he talks too much about meat." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:00 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 4:00 And he's like full-blown vegan. God.

Joe Rogan 4:03 (clapping) I talk too much about meat. That's-

Eddie Bravo 4:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:06 That's your trigger?

Eddie Bravo 4:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:07 (laughs) That's your trigger?

Eddie Bravo 4:08 That's a 95-

Joe Rogan 4:09 Talk about hunting and meat?

Eddie Bravo 4:10 ... to 97. And it's not, it's not Einstein. It's not Einstein.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Oh, I love Einstein.

Eddie Bravo 4:13 It's, it's, it's Mexican, Mexican.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Dude, I...

Eddie Bravo 4:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:15 95% to 97% of the population of the planet Earth eats meat. This is... What vegans are is very loud and very vocal, you know, but they wanna make it look like there's this massive movement. Like, pshh.

Eddie Bravo 4:27 No.

Joe Rogan 4:28 It's... I don't know, you know... I don't know what your body feels like when you eat things. Everybody's body's different. Everybody's body a... reacts to nutrients differently.

Eddie Bravo 4:38 Except for processed foods. We can all agree-

Joe Rogan 4:40 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 4:40 ... that's not good for anybody.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Yeah. Processed foods-

Eddie Bravo 4:42 Fast food.

Joe Rogan 4:42 ... and sugar are all bad for every-

Eddie Bravo 4:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:44 The reason why people are so fucking fat, the reason why everyone's so fat, is carbohydrates and f- and fat and sugar-

Eddie Bravo 4:49 Influx, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:49 ... and all of it mixed up together and massive portions and sedentary lifestyle. There's a bunch of factors. So I've g-... I've killed a bunch of those factors, right? I killed the sedentary lifestyle. I exercise a lot. Um, I... And then I killed most of the sugar, most of the bullshit. And then before I went on this diet, I, I had gotten off the rails a little bit. Too many, too many carbs. Too much pasta. I was eating, like, fucking subs. Like s-

Eddie Bravo 5:14 Yeah. I fell out far as myself.

Joe Rogan 5:15 You ever, you ever go to Dan's Super Subs?

Eddie Bravo 5:16 No.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Oh, son.

Eddie Bravo 5:18 W- They're here?

Joe Rogan 5:18 Right out there in Ventura. Oh, son.

Eddie Bravo 5:19 Oh, really? Oh, hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Oh, you gotta get that giant-

Eddie Bravo 5:22 Well, I'm on a diet.

Joe Rogan 5:22 You gotta get-

Eddie Bravo 5:23 Gotta stop.

Joe Rogan 5:23 ... the giant pastrami. The giant pastrami, holy shit, is it good. And it's all bread and fatty pastrami. And look, man, that's a lotta calories. Like, you gotta ru-... some Cam Hanes ty- type miles to burn off that shit. But so all the different things that could fuck with your health and all the different things that make... w- what makes you feel good and what makes you feel bad, depending upon your biology, your lifestyle. I'm experimenting, you know?

Eddie Bravo 5:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:47 So this is my experiment for the month. Just meat for the month. So far, this is the most amazing thing.

Eddie Bravo 5:52 I would just be... Oh, sorry, go ahead.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Energy. Sorry. Energy level's like this. (whoosh) Straight. There's no fluctuations.

Eddie Bravo 5:57 That's surprising.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Dude is-

Eddie Bravo 5:58 Because the carbs, insulin.

Joe Rogan 5:59 There's no carbs. There's no carbs. I'm not having any carbs.

Eddie Bravo 6:02 Yeah, I'm saying before, you were probably t- eating carbs or some s- f-

Bryan Callen 6:04 ... a form of carb?

Joe Rogan 6:05 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 6:06 Yeah, for sure.

Bryan Callen 6:06 So, your, your insulin-

Joe Rogan 6:07 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 6:07 ... spiking, your day's like this.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Dude, I would lo-... I love pasta so bad. (laughs) I would make, like, elk sausage and a big bowl of spaghetti. It's so good.

Bryan Callen 6:14 That sounds nice.

Joe Rogan 6:15 It's so good, in the moment. But afterwards, like, the amount of time that it feels good versus the amount of time it doesn't feel good is so massive.

Bryan Callen 6:23 Oh, I hate myself afterward.

Joe Rogan 6:25 (laughs) That's, that's-

Bryan Callen 6:25 I hate myself.

Joe Rogan 6:26 But the amount of time it feels good is like five minutes.

Bryan Callen 6:29 Mm-hmm. But goddamn, that's a good five.

Joe Rogan 6:30 It's a good five. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 6:31 It's a great five. It's a tight five.

Joe Rogan 6:33 But it f-... It fucks with your whole day.

Bryan Callen 6:35 It's so nice.

Joe Rogan 6:36 Like, like, think of th- think of it this way. How often would you wanna get laid if every time you got laid you gained 20 pounds? You'd be like, "Every time I'm getting laid, I just keep getting fat."

Eddie Bravo 6:46 Once a month, then.

Joe Rogan 6:47 Once a month.

Eddie Bravo 6:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:48 Just ride it out.

Bryan Callen 6:49 I'd have to see it.

Joe Rogan 6:49 And then at the end of the month-

Eddie Bravo 6:50 This is good.

Joe Rogan 6:50 ... drop that weight down again, start looking fresh, get laid, boom.

Eddie Bravo 6:54 Jerking off, do you gain, like, five pounds?

Joe Rogan 6:56 No, you don't gain anything jerking off.

Bryan Callen 6:58 I'd... I would have to see her. Your boy might get fat-

Joe Rogan 7:00 Right, right, right.

Bryan Callen 7:00 ... if she's bad enough.

Eddie Bravo 7:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:01 If she's hot enough.

Eddie Bravo 7:02 (laughs) Like, "Brendan, 500 pounds?"

Joe Rogan 7:03 If she's w- if she's willing to fuck you while you're fat, too.

Eddie Bravo 7:05 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 7:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:05 That's a special girl. A special girl doesn't get turned off at all by your big fat gut.

Bryan Callen 7:09 Doesn't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 7:10 She doesn't care if you gain that weight.

Bryan Callen 7:11 They're out there.

Joe Rogan 7:12 They're out there.

Bryan Callen 7:12 They're out there.

Eddie Bravo 7:13 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 7:13 Chubby chasers, bro.

Joe Rogan 7:15 So, uh, I... You... L-... This is obviously the Goldilocks period, you know? Like, uh, it's the, uh, y- you're also... It's a, it's a honeymoon, right? It just started, and I don't-

Bryan Callen 7:23 And you're into it?

Joe Rogan 7:24 I don't know. I don't know what this is.

Bryan Callen 7:25 I think usually-

Joe Rogan 7:26 I don't know if I wanna keep doing it.

Bryan Callen 7:26 ... usually about week, usually about, like, 13 days in, that's where people break. Where they're like, "Fuck this, dude," or, "Ah, I'm not feeling great."

Joe Rogan 7:33 It was really boring about five days in. But n-... Like I said, now, is today the 9th? So today's the 11th day in. Today was no problem.

Bryan Callen 7:41 My, my-

Joe Rogan 7:41 I know what I'm doing.

Bryan Callen 7:42 My biggest issue I put on weight, especially in December, was, uh, d-... the road. 'Cause I-

Joe Rogan 7:48 It's the road that'll do it.

Bryan Callen 7:48 Wherever I go, Philly it's cheese steaks, or New York it's pizza. It's just, it's just... You know. I just gotta be more disciplined. And it's late, too, 'cause you know you get done at 1:00, 2:00 AM.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Yup, yup.

Bryan Callen 7:58 It's... I gotta figure it out.

Joe Rogan 7:59 Yeah, um, people did eat like this, though. Li-... There's human beings that have ye-... eaten like this for long periods of time. Like, the idea that they didn't is crazy. Like, Inuits eat like this. Um, uh, Native Americans, the Comanches ate like this. Comanches barely ate anything other than buffalo.

Bryan Callen 8:15 Have you ever seen a Comanche? I mean, goddamn, I don't wanna look like that.

Joe Rogan 8:17 Well, they're all dead, Brendan. Or in Oklahoma.

Bryan Callen 8:19 That's what I'm saying, dude.

Joe Rogan 8:20 Yeah, but that's because of Americans had guns.

Eddie Bravo 8:22 They were probably-

Joe Rogan 8:22 We had-

Eddie Bravo 8:22 You were probably shredded as fuck.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Oh, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 8:24 Are you kidding me? Apaches?

Bryan Callen 8:25 Well, there's a difference between shredded-

Eddie Bravo 8:27 Shit.

Bryan Callen 8:27 ... and malnourished, Eddie.

Joe Rogan 8:28 Well, some of 'em were giant.

Eddie Bravo 8:29 Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 8:30 It's, uh, it was like, some of 'em-

Eddie Bravo 8:31 We're talking shit about Apaches? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:32 ... were mal-... The Comanches weren't necessarily malnourished. I mean, in the, in occasional bouts of famine they were. But for the most part, they were following the buffalo. Those people ate good.

Bryan Callen 8:39 Every caveman was Shred City, though. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 8:42 Maybe.

Bryan Callen 8:42 Like, there's no fat cavemen. There's no fat Indians.

Joe Rogan 8:44 Right, right, right. They didn't have a chance to get fat.

Bryan Callen 8:46 There's no carbs.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Once they got older, once the, once the, uh, settlers moved in, though, and they started living on reservations and getting white man food, they all got fat. I'm reading this book about it now. They didn't know what to do with flour, so they would just try to eat it. They didn't know how to cook it, so they would just try to eat it. They were fucking starving when the-

Eddie Bravo 9:00 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 9:00 ... when the white man took over, and th- pushed-

Bryan Callen 9:04 And-

Joe Rogan 9:04 ... pushed the Navajo into reservations. It's horrible.

Bryan Callen 9:05 And when he sneezed on 'em and, like, took out all of 'em.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Bro, 90% of 'em, dead.

Bryan Callen 9:09 Ha-choo, dead.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 9:11 I'm reading this today.

Joe Rogan 9:11 They didn't sit down... I'm reading this ac-... It's horrific, this, this... They set up this reservation and then everybody got syphilis, everybody. Everybody's banging everybody.

Bryan Callen 9:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:20 And they all got syphilis, and people's hair is falling out.

Bryan Callen 9:23 Camel wear.

Joe Rogan 9:23 They have ulcers all over their body and people were going crazy and dying. Fuck, man.

Bryan Callen 9:28 They c-... They can solve syphilis now, right?

Joe Rogan 9:29 Today, yeah.

Bryan Callen 9:30 They can all good now.

Joe Rogan 9:31 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 9:31 Like, Al Capone died of syphilis.

Joe Rogan 9:32 All you anti-vaccination motherfuckers, you need to pay attention to syphilis, polio. There's a lot of shit.

Bryan Callen 9:38 There's a syphilis vaccine?

Joe Rogan 9:38 Small pox. Gotta be, right? There's a...

Bryan Callen 9:41 Not for kids.

Joe Rogan 9:42 There's a hep C.

Bryan Callen 9:43 It's made for kids. What're you talking about?

Joe Rogan 9:44 What is that with the... uh, HPV?

Bryan Callen 9:47 HPV, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:48 That's... They have a vaccination-

Bryan Callen 9:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:49 ... for that now. They have vaccinations for everything now.

Bryan Callen 9:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:53 But, um-

Bryan Callen 9:53 Can be a problem.

Joe Rogan 9:54 But, dude, back then, the living... That's only 150 years ago. Living those days, catching diseases, they didn't even know what it was. People would just start dying. They had no idea.

Bryan Callen 10:02 Game over. Black Plague.

Joe Rogan 10:03 They had no idea.

Bryan Callen 10:04 See ya.

Eddie Bravo 10:04 Like, who knows how much of all that shit is, like, real? You know, history's just so full of deception. Like, what if, what if, like-

Bryan Callen 10:10 Hell yeah.

Eddie Bravo 10:10 ... what if, like-

Bryan Callen 10:11 Hell yeah.

Eddie Bravo 10:11 ... like, jealous white people would just say, like-

Joe Rogan 10:13 He's saying "hell yeah" 'cause you're getting into conspiracies.

Eddie Bravo 10:15 Yeah. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 10:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:15 I know, I know, I know, but he does.

Eddie Bravo 10:17 This is just off the top of my head. Well, this is the top of... (laughs) Now, what if, what if all that shit, "Aw, all the Indians had syphilis," were, like, jealous white dudes-

Joe Rogan 10:25 No, not the Indians.

Eddie Bravo 10:26 ... who were-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Everybody. The soldiers had syphilis. Everyone had syphilis.

Bryan Callen 10:28 Until they died.

Eddie Bravo 10:29 Okay, okay.

Bryan Callen 10:29 They're... This is medical-

Eddie Bravo 10:30 But you know what I'm saying?

Bryan Callen 10:31 Their, their immune systems are fucked.

Eddie Bravo 10:32 They're always... Like, "Indians got syphilis, you don't wanna fuck them."

Bryan Callen 10:34 No.

Eddie Bravo 10:34 Meanwhile, the white chicks wanted to fuck the Indians. They're like-

Joe Rogan 10:36 It's a, it's-

Eddie Bravo 10:36 ... "Let's go fuck the Indians."

Joe Rogan 10:37 It's a slow story of a disastrous idea by this General Carlton guy who wanted these guys to move into, uh, this area. He wanted them to move off the reservations in New Mexico, and they had this area set aside for them. But they cut down all the trees for firewood, they started running out of food, they start... Too many people were coming in. They took away all their guns and the Comanches found them, so the Comanches were attacking the Navajo.

Bryan Callen 11:00 God damn.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Dude, it's, it's, it's horrific. You're l-... Reading this, I mean, even though it happened 150 years ago, my hands are sweating. I'm like, "These people are fucked." They're surrounded by thousands-

Bryan Callen 11:10 Brutal.

Joe Rogan 11:10 ... of hostile Indians that are just kidnapping their kids, raping their women, killing people, taking away all their horses.

Eddie Bravo 11:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:17 And they're s-... like a sitting duck on this reservation. Dude, the fucking... the shit people had to go through just 150 years ago.

Bryan Callen 11:23 The most depressing book in the world.

Joe Rogan 11:25 It's horrific. But if... Without it, you know, you wouldn't be able to just fly into Albuquerque and go to Jackson's. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 11:30 True. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:32 In 50... (laughs) Fucking Native Americans trying to kill you everywhere.

Eddie Bravo 11:34 Or fly into Jeffrey Epstein's ranch in, uh, Albuquerque.

Joe Rogan 11:38 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 11:38 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 11:38 Do you know he has a ranch?

Joe Rogan 11:39 Does he have a ranch there?

Eddie Bravo 11:39 Du-... Not only does he have a ranch there-

Bryan Callen 11:41 What?

Eddie Bravo 11:41 ... but he's got... A mile away, he actually owns a western world. Like, it's like Westworld.Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 11:48 Dude, 60 Minutes-

Eddie Bravo 11:48 Like Spied on- The elites, the elites, the elites, that's where they hang out. Jeffery, Jeffery Epstein's western town.

Joe Rogan 11:54 In Albuquerque?

Eddie Bravo 11:55 In Albuquerque.

Joe Rogan 11:56 Dude, 60 Minutes had a piece-

Eddie Bravo 11:58 I saw it.

Joe Rogan 11:58 ... about how the, uh, the, the suicide is fake. 60 Minutes- Did you, did you see in his, like, little, uh, cell, there was like 10 different freaking outfit jumpsuits. Jumpsuits. Yeah, we went over- There's a, there's a cord, there's a pen. Yeah. It's nuts. And his brother's the one who hired this outside lawyer, and the lawyer's like, "I know it, it, it looks like I'm here to be like, 'Oh, no, he didn't...' I'm telling you, look at all this stuff. Like, here's the evidence." Well, the Michael Baden guy, the guy from the HBO autopsy series, I mean, that guy has done thousands of autopsies, and he's a real expert. He's like, "I've never seen anyone who was... who hung themselves with injuries like this." Especially where the mark's at. Did you, did you know that?

Eddie Bravo 12:37 Who knows, who knows if, if that's all just a distraction to like, uh, get people arguing, make it so obvious that it was obv- it wasn't a suicide. It's so obvious. Let's release it, make it so obvious. Meanwhile he's still alive and everyone's trying to figure out how he died and, and all they care about is that he's dead.

Joe Rogan 12:53 Do you think he's alive?

Eddie Bravo 12:54 They think he's dead. Anything could, anything could happen.

Joe Rogan 12:55 And he's always putting that 3D chess, son.

Eddie Bravo 12:57 No, anything can happen.

Joe Rogan 12:57 He's one step ahead of us. That's why he's so good at jiu-jitsu.

Eddie Bravo 13:00 Why, why would they have, why would they be pushing it-

Joe Rogan 13:03 He's constantly in a fucking triangle.

Eddie Bravo 13:03 ... on... First, there's virtually a media blackout on it for the longest time, but they gotta talk about something, 'cause the longer the mainstream media doesn't talk about it, the more obvious it looks, and it's waking everybody up. You know how many people who are super anti-conspiracy theorists that are all into Epstein now? It's like when 9/11 happened, that woke up a lot of people. 9/11 woke people up. A lot of people say, "Well, it started with 9/11." A lot of shit's gonna, people are gonna say it started with Jeffery Epstein, 'cause it's so obvious.

Joe Rogan 13:31 Epstein, even my dad's like-

Eddie Bravo 13:32 It's so obvious.

Joe Rogan 13:33 ... "What are we doing?" Like, come on.

Eddie Bravo 13:34 What we're seeing now is-

Joe Rogan 13:34 Dude, Michael Shermer, Michael Shermer's calling it a conspiracy.

Eddie Bravo 13:38 Everybody, people that hate conspiracy theorists are all into it. They're all-

Joe Rogan 13:42 Yeah, Michael Shermer.

Eddie Bravo 13:43 Dude, I'm so balls deep in s- uh, there's a guy on YouTube who every day he puts out, all he does is he's written books on gangsters and all that. Every day, he puts out a Epstein video, an update, and he just goes deeper and deeper-

Joe Rogan 13:56 What's his name?

Eddie Bravo 13:57 ... and deeper. His name is Shaun Attwood. S-

Joe Rogan 13:59 What's the update every day, though?

Eddie Bravo 14:00 S... Dude, it would take me two hours to, to go into... It's really all about Ghislaine Maxwell's father. He was the one who was originally doing what Epstein was doing. Epstein took... So Epstein started banging Ghislaine. She takes him. She goes, "You know what? You're gonna take over the family business." The family business is, is not just blackmailing the elite. That's part of it. But the p- man...

Joe Rogan 14:25 A big part of it, right? A big part of it.

Eddie Bravo 14:27 I... You know what? I... Dude, it... Her father, he's the one, Robert Maxwell. That guy was a... Dude, he worked... He-

Joe Rogan 14:34 (laughs) I love this shit. I don't know if I do.

Eddie Bravo 14:36 Like, I'm afraid to talk about this shit, dude.

Joe Rogan 14:38 I don't know, he's dead, you know?

Eddie Bravo 14:39 Shaun Attwood, listen to Shaun Attwood. That dude...

Joe Rogan 14:40 Okay, well, we'll have people go to that guy's page.

Eddie Bravo 14:43 Ugh, it's incredible how deep it is.

Joe Rogan 14:46 It's, it's the first- It's the cover I got you coming up with. ... it's the first conspiracy, it's the first conspiracy in modern times where everyone is like, "No way." Ah, JFK.

Eddie Bravo 14:53 He's so deep.

Joe Rogan 14:54 No, no, JFK, there's still people to this day that think that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, a lot of them, including people that have written, like, w- good... What is that, um, what's that guy's name who wrote Case Closed? Uh, William whatever. Uh, uh, there's, there's been a lot of credible people who think that, uh, Oswald acted alone.

Eddie Bravo 15:13 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 15:13 That's so crazy. I don't think so.

Eddie Bravo 15:15 It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 15:16 That's, that's so ridiculous.

Eddie Bravo 15:16 That's, that's this one, that's like Epstein again.

Joe Rogan 15:17 But this one, no one-

Eddie Bravo 15:18 This ain't the first Epstein. They have one, they have one all the time.

Joe Rogan 15:20 No one's defending it, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 15:21 No one, no one's saying-

Joe Rogan 15:22 Have, no one's coming out defending. The government's just silent.

Eddie Bravo 15:24 I think, I think there's a good chance that he's alive.

Joe Rogan 15:28 I think, I, I think it's him. That's crazy. That, that's where-

Eddie Bravo 15:31 I think they're just distracting everybody.

Joe Rogan 15:32 I don't think it's that crazy.

Eddie Bravo 15:33 Oh, it wasn't a suicide.

Joe Rogan 15:33 I want him to be alive.

Eddie Bravo 15:35 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 15:35 'Cause it would make this even more fun. If we're in Europe and he like, "Anything's possible." You'd be like, "The fuck?"

Eddie Bravo 15:38 It's already crazy as fuck. The amount of deception that we're, that, that's shoved down our throats, well, it's obvious now. It's all out in the open. So any plausible theory, you can't laugh at. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 15:48 Dude, he's in Thailand. I agree.

Eddie Bravo 15:49 He could easily be alive. He could easily be alive.

Joe Rogan 15:50 He's in Thailand right now-

Eddie Bravo 15:52 Totally.

Joe Rogan 15:52 ... with bandages all over his face, watching TV from the hospital.

Eddie Bravo 15:55 Exactly, exactly.

Joe Rogan 15:56 He did full facial reconstruction surgery.

Eddie Bravo 15:59 Fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Hey, man.

Eddie Bravo 15:59 They throw... It, it was the worst shit.

Joe Rogan 16:01 They could change your face.

Eddie Bravo 16:02 Why did they need to show 9,000 jumpsuits and shit? Like, they-

Joe Rogan 16:05 That was weird.

Eddie Bravo 16:05 ... they're making it so obvious.

Joe Rogan 16:07 How did those jumpsuits get in there?

Eddie Bravo 16:08 Dude, it's so obvious.

Joe Rogan 16:09 It's, it's obvious.

Eddie Bravo 16:10 It's, it's, it's too obvious.

Joe Rogan 16:11 I'm with Eddie on this one, for real. It's, it's the most obvious one of all time. Look at all those jumpsuits.

Eddie Bravo 16:15 Like, come on, man.

Joe Rogan 16:16 So- How about, how about 20/20 showed his dead body on TV? And, and the craziest thing, the craziest thing besides all that, the craziest thing is like, where's the video footage? Oh, the cameras weren't working.

Eddie Bravo 16:26 That's the craziest shit ever.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Oh, no, no, no. Did you see, did you not see- Did you not see the new video footage? The new video footage was accidentally er- erased. That's insane. The first, the first video footage.

Eddie Bravo 16:34 They're doing that on purpose.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Video from Jeffery Epstein's suicide at- attempt is gone, jail officials inadvertently preserved footage from wrong floor.

Eddie Bravo 16:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:43 Hey, government, if you're gonna kill someone, do Batters now. Like- We got this one. Remember we got this one. They're like, the first suicide attempt.

Eddie Bravo 16:47 Now, now if you were, if you were part of this, this, um, c- uh, this, um, network of, like, elite people, right? Like, he's definitely, he definitely has a lot of power.

Joe Rogan 16:55 With the skulls? Right? Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 16:55 Wouldn't you, wouldn't there be like a... Wouldn't you think it would be a good idea to, to all get together and say, "Listen, every now and then some dude's gonna... We're gonna have to sacrifice one of you guys and just fake your death, and then you're gonna have to go to one of the islands in Japan or one of the..." They probably have so many spots set up. Wouldn't it be smart? Go set up some spots in, in like the Greek Islands or somewhere like in, off nor- the coast of Norway, Greenland. Greenland could... Who knows what's in Greenland? They could have all these cities for, for-

Joe Rogan 17:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 17:23 Like all these people that like are... They die, but you never see their bodies. They could just say... You know they, people used to fake their deaths all the time back in the '30s and '40s.

Joe Rogan 17:30 Yeah. But that was before the internet.

Eddie Bravo 17:32 Anything could happen.

Joe Rogan 17:32 It'd be way easier to just kill Epstein. Way easier. Way easier, especially, especially when he's in the cell. And unless... And dude, you don't think he has... You don't think he has a, a kill switch? You don't think that dude did it?

Eddie Bravo 17:40 I think he probably does.

Joe Rogan 17:41 You know... Dude, man, I wish I could tell you all this shit. That's why Usain Maxwell's alive. I wish I could... You can't tell us? I wish you could.

Eddie Bravo 17:46 It's just, it's dark, dude. This, this stuff-

Joe Rogan 17:48 I like it when it's dark, Eddie.

Eddie Bravo 17:49 It's dark, dude. I'll tell you guys about this after, but-

Joe Rogan 17:51 Okay.

Eddie Bravo 17:51 ... Shaun Attwood, that, that guy, holy shit. He's, he's, he's dug in so deep, like so deep like the neighbor, the, the property that's right next to the one in, in Manhattan that, uh, Les Wexner gave him for zero dollars.

Joe Rogan 18:04 That's insane. Hey, man, that's a nice person, nice friend- That's a good friend. ... gives you a $70 million house.

Eddie Bravo 18:08 You know what, that... People, people always jump on that-

Joe Rogan 18:09 Place is sick.

Eddie Bravo 18:09 ... but that's not that crazy because back in the '80s apparently for... like Shaun Attwood's saying, 'cause that's not that crazy 'cause people used to do that all the time to save on taxes. So that ain't a big deal. Maybe, uh, Epstein did pay him whatever it was worth, you know. Uh, they would often do that and just say it's his zero-

Joe Rogan 18:27 It's not the craziest thing.

Eddie Bravo 18:28 It's not the craziest thing.

Joe Rogan 18:29 No.

Eddie Bravo 18:29 But-... the n- the property next to that mansion, the history of that shit. Damn, I wish we could go over that, man. It's crazy. Epstein has been involved in intelligence for a very long time, very long time. As long, like, as long as the Iran-Contra, uh, scandal. Remember that?

Bryan Callen 18:49 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 18:49 A lot of drugs coming to Iran-

Bryan Callen 18:51 Oh, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 18:51 ... helping... It's, like, all this illegal black ops. George Senior was the main El Patrón. Uh, Epstein was in, was one of the workers that he was in... So he was involved-

Bryan Callen 19:00 His, his girl's in hiding, right, Eddie? Because they said she was a CIA informant.

Eddie Bravo 19:04 Well, who-

Bryan Callen 19:04 She's, like, hi- They don't- Who? The main chick-

Eddie Bravo 19:06 Ghislaine Maxwell.

Bryan Callen 19:07 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 19:07 It, she was the main one.

Bryan Callen 19:09 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 19:10 She brought Epstein into the operation.

Bryan Callen 19:12 'Cause she-

Eddie Bravo 19:12 Her father was the-

Bryan Callen 19:13 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 19:13 Epstein took over for her father, Robert Maxwell. That's what's going on. She's more powerful than Epstein.

Bryan Callen 19:18 And they can't find her now?

Eddie Bravo 19:20 No, they ain't gonna touch her.

Bryan Callen 19:21 They-

Eddie Bravo 19:21 They're not gonna touch her.

Bryan Callen 19:22 They-

Eddie Bravo 19:22 You don't think she has a kill switch? Shit.

Joe Rogan 19:23 I guarantee she's in touch with people. It, it'll only make sense.

Eddie Bravo 19:26 She, th- their... Her father was the master of blackmailing people. That's what he did. And, and the reason-

Bryan Callen 19:32 Yeah, just, just give me an idea what that place was next door.

Eddie Bravo 19:35 It just, when you-

Bryan Callen 19:36 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 19:36 ... go through the owners, like, there's like r-

Bryan Callen 19:38 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 19:38 There's so... See, the thing, what's going on now is the, the biggest phenomena that's going on right now is with the internet, the internet is like, uh, backfiring and, or it's boomeranging back at the people. It was in, the internet was intended to control us and, uh, surveil us. And now, what's happening-

Joe Rogan 19:56 No, it wasn't. The internet was intended for scientists to share information at universities.

Bryan Callen 20:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 20:00 It was invented for universities.

Eddie Bravo 20:02 That's enough.

Bryan Callen 20:02 That's your opinion.

Eddie Bravo 20:02 When you look at the-

Joe Rogan 20:03 But that's, that's why they invented it-

Eddie Bravo 20:03 When you look at, when you look at it, but you, but-

Joe Rogan 20:04 So they didn't have to, like, call-

Eddie Bravo 20:06 But when you-

Joe Rogan 20:06 ... each other and send packages-

Eddie Bravo 20:07 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 20:08 ... in the mail.

Eddie Bravo 20:08 No.

Joe Rogan 20:08 No?

Bryan Callen 20:10 Well, that could be one of the reasons.

Eddie Bravo 20:11 The internet was cr- It, it, it-

Joe Rogan 20:13 The people that invented the internet, why'd they invent it?

Eddie Bravo 20:17 They were, it was all funded by the CIA. It was all a way to keep... It's, it's always about the New World Order. It's always about the, the easiest way to control us. That's all. So, okay, there's this software-

Bryan Callen 20:28 Give me a hit of that there.

Eddie Bravo 20:29 There's this software-

Joe Rogan 20:30 Yeah, you gotta eat this, so-

Bryan Callen 20:30 That skin, uh-

Eddie Bravo 20:31 Robert Maxwell-

Bryan Callen 20:31 I wanna go deep.

Eddie Bravo 20:32 Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, one of his jobs was... Man, I don't even know if I should talk about this shit.

Bryan Callen 20:40 All right, we don't-

Eddie Bravo 20:40 I'm not gonna talk about it.

Joe Rogan 20:40 We don't, we don't have to.

Eddie Bravo 20:41 I don't wanna talk about it.

Bryan Callen 20:42 I don't want you to get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 20:42 You know, I was reading, I was reading something that, uh, I was wr- I'm writing this bit about a real thing that happened with the CIA in the 1950s. And, uh, it's called Operation Midnight Climax. And, uh, you know, MKUltra, Eddie knows what that is.

Bryan Callen 20:56 I don't know what that is.

Joe Rogan 20:56 Mind, mind control experience from the C-, uh, experiments from the CIA. They had 6% of the CIA's budget, and they had, there was n- no, no oversight. They, they could spend it on whatever they wanted. And what they were doing is just dosing the fuck out of people with LSD. They dosed this one guy 77 days in a row.

Bryan Callen 21:13 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 21:13 And, uh, they ran out of people that were willing to do it.

Eddie Bravo 21:16 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 21:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:17 Right? 'Cause a lot of times, it was college students. Like, that's how they toasted, uh, the Unabomber. They, they-

Bryan Callen 21:21 That's where Manson came from too.

Joe Rogan 21:22 Well, a lot of these people, they cooked their brain with acid. Well, they did that with, uh... They ran out of people, so they started opening up brothels. So they'd open up whorehouses, and they called it Operation Midnight Climax.

Bryan Callen 21:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:34 So they would hire hookers, and the hookers would dose these guys up. They'd give them a drink that was filled with acid, right?

Bryan Callen 21:41 And then fuck them?

Joe Rogan 21:41 And then fuck them on film.

Eddie Bravo 21:43 How much would they charge?

Bryan Callen 21:44 What a great gig.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Good question, good question.

Bryan Callen 21:45 What a great gig.

Eddie Bravo 21:46 LSD and sex?

Joe Rogan 21:48 And so they would film it through, like, two-way glass.

Bryan Callen 21:51 Wow.

Joe Rogan 21:52 Yeah, and so they're, they're sitting there. Their whole budget was being spent on dosing guys and watching guys fuck.

Bryan Callen 22:00 Fantastic.

Joe Rogan 22:01 It's hilarious.

Bryan Callen 22:01 USA.

Joe Rogan 22:02 I mean, they, they did it for a lo- "CIA chief deplores CIA brothels." What year is this? (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 22:08 That looks like 1952.

Narrator 22:10 1952. 1977, San Francisco.

Joe Rogan 22:10 But, but, but by that time, they've been doing it for more than 20 years.

Bryan Callen 22:14 I, I was reading a book on, on this stuff, and when they were dosing everyone with LSD and acid and stuff, in, uh, Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, that's where Manson came out of. His, the whole family came out of there.

Eddie Bravo 22:24 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 22:24 From all the LSD-

Eddie Bravo 22:25 Mm-hmm.

Bryan Callen 22:25 ... with the CIA and stuff.

Joe Rogan 22:26 Okay, so it ended-

Bryan Callen 22:26 Am I right, Eddie?

Joe Rogan 22:27 ... 12 years ago.

Eddie Bravo 22:28 Ma-

Joe Rogan 22:28 It ended 12 years ago with-

Eddie Bravo 22:29 You've been studying.

Bryan Callen 22:30 I'm telling you, bro.

Joe Rogan 22:32 "They're all past history," Turner said. In San Francisco, the CIA (laughs) said, the CIA head said, "That was terrible, and that's past history. We don't do that anymore. It's been 12 years." I, I-

Bryan Callen 22:41 CIA said, "Why are you bringing up old shit?"

Eddie Bravo 22:42 You know, at what point, at what-

Bryan Callen 22:42 They're bringing up old shit, man.

Eddie Bravo 22:43 This is just the tip of the iceberg. We can go on for five hours with this shit. It's almost like the CIA was created as a scapegoat, like, all... 'cause the CIA ain't going to jail. Where, who, this, how do you put CIA in jail? You can't. And then the directors, they're only there temporarily, and they're in, out. Everyone, like, goes through it. But it's a re- like-

Bryan Callen 23:02 Mm...

Eddie Bravo 23:02 ... if you find out some evil shit's going on, "CIA did it." CIA ain't going to jail.

Bryan Callen 23:06 Mm, true.

Eddie Bravo 23:07 Every, everyone says the CIA is, uh, nefarious and, you know, doing all this crazy shit.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Again, he's, Eddie's one step ahead of us on this.

Bryan Callen 23:13 Oh, dude, every time. Catches and triangles.

Joe Rogan 23:16 4D chess.

Eddie Bravo 23:16 That's all I do, baby. That's all I do.

Joe Rogan 23:18 It is all you do, I know. It's crazy.

Bryan Callen 23:19 Dude, I'm... You would love this. I'm reading a book now where say hired two mafia guys to assassinate Castro. It's a legit, it was a legit, like-

Joe Rogan 23:27 Plot.

Bryan Callen 23:27 Yes, whole plot.

Joe Rogan 23:29 What happened?

Bryan Callen 23:29 So interesting.

Eddie Bravo 23:30 There was like 635-

Joe Rogan 23:32 Pfft.

Eddie Bravo 23:32 ... uh, tries on his life.

Bryan Callen 23:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Amazing. That's like a beast.

Eddie Bravo 23:35 It was, it was something, something like that.

Joe Rogan 23:36 He died of old age.

Bryan Callen 23:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:37 (laughs)

Bryan Callen 23:38 Beast, right? He even, he even came to New York-

Joe Rogan 23:40 Yeah.

Bryan Callen 23:40 ... and they still couldn't do shit to him.

Joe Rogan 23:41 Yeah, they didn't want to do it.

Eddie Bravo 23:42 That was before they really turned on him. 'Cause at first, the United States was, was backing him.

Bryan Callen 23:47 Yep, and then JFK went, having it-

Eddie Bravo 23:49 They were backing them. And then something happened, they switched. There's a lot of different theories, like maybe, um, he was working for the, like, Fidel Castro was-... part of a CIA operation to overthrow the Batista regime? Maybe. Or, and then, like, once he got in, he said, "Fuck the CIA, fuck the United States." And the CIA goes, "Okay, we gotta kill this motherfucker." A lot, a lot of times that happens. People turn. You know what I mean?

Guest 24:12 Mm-hmm.

Eddie Bravo 24:12 So like, the Kennedys turned.

Guest 24:13 Osama bin Laden.

Eddie Bravo 24:14 'Cause ca- the Kennedys-

Guest 24:15 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 24:15 ... come from a, a, a crime family.

Guest 24:17 Yeah, correct.

Eddie Bravo 24:17 The mob put Kennedy in.

Guest 24:18 Their dad, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 24:19 So something happened between Robert and John where they were, they w- you know, that was his attorney general. That's who he hired. So once they got together, something happened and made them flip. Some people say that JFK, I don't know if it's true or not, like, his son died at an early age, or one of his kids died. And th- from that point on, he decided to do the right thing and just say, "Fuck it."

Guest 24:38 Send him ƒ-

Eddie Bravo 24:38 And him and Robert-

Guest 24:39 ... him and Robert knew they were gonna get killed. Like, they would talk about it. They knew they were gonna get killed for d- doing what they're doing, but- Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 24:44 ... they were just gonna go out with their boots on. You know what I mean? That's a theory. I don't know. Maybe one crazy dude did it, but come on.

Guest 24:51 Isn't it gr- isn't the history great though? Like, to have all this stuff and go through all the different theories and fucking-

Joe Rogan 24:56 Well, it's, what's crazy with history is now we can see it. Before people just told it. It wasn't until, like, the 20th century that really people saw it.

Eddie Bravo 25:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:03 Before that, it was just people telling stories about stuff.

Eddie Bravo 25:05 Who knows what's real?

Joe Rogan 25:07 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 25:07 Like, from the 1700s and-

Joe Rogan 25:09 They do their best-

Eddie Bravo 25:09 But you know, but you know what Joy-

Joe Rogan 25:10 ... to piece it together from multiple accounts, but it's really hard.

Guest 25:12 We do, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 25:12 That's the, that's the Bible, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 25:14 Oh, the Bible's even worse.

Eddie Bravo 25:15 The Bible's, I mean, it's a bunch of stories though-

Joe Rogan 25:17 But not just that. A bunch of stories transdelated multiple times.

Eddie Bravo 25:19 That's what I'm saying from-

Joe Rogan 25:20 But, but-

Eddie Bravo 25:21 ... from a shitload of people.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 25:22 For sure it got translated and all that shit with the Bible. But for sure I, I'm 100, in my heart I'm 100, I, I, I believe it 100% that there is some stuff in the Bible that's the real shit. There is the r- it comes from the real shit. It got distorted and translated and all that.

Joe Rogan 25:38 What do you mean by the real shit? Like-

Eddie Bravo 25:40 Like a, like it's a manual on how to live your life right.

Joe Rogan 25:42 Mm-hmm.

Guest 25:43 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 25:43 You know what I mean? If you, these are rules. Like, maybe God is the idea. Maybe God is the, and Jesus is the frequency. You wanna get in that frequency of life, don't deceive anybody.

Guest 25:53 Don't kill each other.

Eddie Bravo 25:54 Don't fuck each other up.

Guest 25:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:55 Don't steal.

Eddie Bravo 25:55 Then you will be in that zone.

Guest 25:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:57 Don't, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 25:57 That's what God is.

Joe Rogan 25:58 Yeah.

Guest 25:58 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 25:58 Like, maybe the book is a, a manual. It's gotta be because there's one thing, like I said, I'm balls deep in, in, uh, trying to find the truth. Sometimes I'm wrong. Whatever.

Guest 26:07 Truth though-

Eddie Bravo 26:07 But a lot of guys, a lot of guys, uh, three different guys that I looked up to and looked and asked for information 'cause they were so into a certain area that I wasn't in. So I'm like, "Tell me more. Tell me more." And they're like my mentors. At the end, dude, all of 'em, they're starting to look into the Bible. And I remember the first guy back in like 2005 when I was like full blown, like, the Bi- you know, against religion and all that. Um, I would say, "Dude, what are you doing? (laughs) Dude, you showed me the way and now you're looking in the Bible." He goes, "I know it sounds crazy, but you gotta, you gotta, you gotta look into too. There's, this isn't just a book with crazy fairy tales. This is some real shit." And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 26:43 Well what it is-

Eddie Bravo 26:44 And, and I was-

Joe Rogan 26:44 ... is a historical account of the times of the people that lived back then as best they could tell it translated down over thousands of years.

Eddie Bravo 26:51 The stories-

Joe Rogan 26:51 So there's some absolute truths in the Bible.

Eddie Bravo 26:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:54 And there's some great guides to live your life.

Eddie Bravo 26:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:56 But there's also some nonsense.

Eddie Bravo 26:58 For sure.

Guest 26:58 The walking on water-

Joe Rogan 26:59 So it's not just water-

Guest 26:59 ... and all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 26:59 Not just that. I mean like-

Eddie Bravo 27:00 You ever play telephone?

Joe Rogan 27:01 ... God-

Eddie Bravo 27:01 Maybe ignore the nonsense.

Joe Rogan 27:02 God sicked two bears on these kids that were making fun of this dude for being bald.

Eddie Bravo 27:07 That, that's a Jack and Jill story for sure.

Joe Rogan 27:09 It's, it's definitely.

Eddie Bravo 27:09 For sure. For sure.

Joe Rogan 27:10 If that's in there, you have to wonder how much of any of the original m- m- m- uh, stories, meaning, story.

Eddie Bravo 27:16 Well, well, if you look at mainstream history of like Catholicism, I grew up Catholic. You did too, right?

Joe Rogan 27:21 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 27:21 Catholic?

Guest 27:21 Christian.

Eddie Bravo 27:22 Christian. Well, um-

Joe Rogan 27:23 We're a branch.

Eddie Bravo 27:24 The mainstream story, you know the-

Guest 27:26 Name a bra- name a branch.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Lutheran?

Guest 27:27 Uh.

Joe Rogan 27:28 Is that a branch?

Guest 27:28 No. What's, what's the, what's the normal one?

Joe Rogan 27:30 Protestant. Uh, Baptist? Protestant?

Guest 27:32 Uh, uh-

Eddie Bravo 27:33 You're not, not the-

Guest 27:34 Baptist. I'm nothing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:35 Presbyterian?

Guest 27:35 No.

Eddie Bravo 27:36 (laughs) That's atheist. (laughs)

Guest 27:36 I'm, I'm a deist.

Eddie Bravo 27:38 You're agnostic, right? You're not sure.

Guest 27:40 Deist.

Eddie Bravo 27:41 What does that mean?

Guest 27:41 I believe there's a God, but I don't believe in, like, Jesus or-

Eddie Bravo 27:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 27:43 You think, when you think about there's a God, like, what, what's the thought that comes through your head? Like, what are you thinking when you, when you say, "I think there's a God"?

Guest 27:50 I just think there, there's a higher being. Do... you know?

Joe Rogan 27:53 A thing?

Guest 27:53 Uh, I don't know.

Eddie Bravo 27:54 I just think for me-

Guest 27:55 I don't, I don't know. I think, I think-

Joe Rogan 27:56 ... one at a time.

Guest 27:56 ... there's, I think there's, there's, the energy in our body goes somewhere. There's something that makes us, you know. Like I can, I can feel certain things like love or intuition, stuff like that, that has to be something. You know?

Joe Rogan 28:07 Mm-hmm.

Guest 28:07 I think that goes somewhere. I don't think there's a heaven and hell.

Joe Rogan 28:10 Jordan Peterson has some really good advice on that. He said, "Whether or not you believe in a God," he goes, "live as if God is real." And this really-

Eddie Bravo 28:19 I believe that.

Joe Rogan 28:20 ... real benefits in that.

Eddie Bravo 28:20 I believe that.

Joe Rogan 28:21 I think y- it, it really does, if you really do have that kind of gratitude and humility that you're, you're being watched over by a loving God-

Guest 28:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:28 ... I think there's a benefit to thinking like that.

Eddie Bravo 28:29 It's just about doing the right thing.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Yep.

Guest 28:31 Yep.

Eddie Bravo 28:31 It's all about how do we get the people to do the right thing? And I believe there's a God because, um, a couple things. You know, when I, when I, I did DMT, uh, I went into, uh, I thought, okay, there's more, there's way more shit to this reality, this dimension that, um, that's out there.

Joe Rogan 28:48 That we're not seeing all the time.

Eddie Bravo 28:49 For sure. And then the more, um, the more I get into, uh, you know, trying to find out what we're on and what, what this is all about, and then you look at the mainstream. Uh, I think someone created what we're in. Whatever you wanna, whatever you think this is-

Guest 29:03 Think it's a simulation?

Eddie Bravo 29:04 I think this is something. I don't, I don't believe in simulations.

Guest 29:06 Me neither.

Joe Rogan 29:06 Why don't you believe in simulations?

Eddie Bravo 29:07 Mm, there's just no-

Joe Rogan 29:08 That buns, that buns me out.

Eddie Bravo 29:09 There's no evidence.

Joe Rogan 29:09 When you think about your kids and shit, that buns me out.

Eddie Bravo 29:11 There's no evidence.

Guest 29:11 Mm-mm.

Eddie Bravo 29:12 But, um, uh, but it could be true. It could be, but there, there's-

Joe Rogan 29:15 But you know, like-

Eddie Bravo 29:16 ... zero evidence. Um-

Joe Rogan 29:17 Really smart people d- don't just say-

Eddie Bravo 29:19 I don't go by consensus though.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Not only is there ev- not only is there evidence, but it, if you look at probability theory, what was that guy's name, um, that was, uh, the, the, the guy w- Nick Bostrom. We talked about it in depth, and he said according to probability theory, it's more likely that we're in a s- a simulation.

Eddie Bravo 29:36 Maybe. Maybe, maybe that's true.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Because, because the fact that simulations-

Guest 29:38 That's why, but that's why you can measure it, and I believe-

Eddie Bravo 29:39 I just, I believe-

Joe Rogan 29:39 ... are almost inevitable. If, unless we get disrupted by nature, unless we get hit with an asteroid or start-

Guest 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:45 ... a nuclear war, it's inevitable the technology reaches a point where simulation's possible.

Guest 29:49 Well, if you watch Rick and Morty, that's what it is basically.

Eddie Bravo 29:50 Well, if, if simulation is real, then the simulation goes on forever in this space that everyone thinks there is.

Joe Rogan 29:57 It could be a part, a wave of life.

Eddie Bravo 29:59 An infinite computer program.

Joe Rogan 30:00 It's not that s- No, it's not that simple. It's like-... like, the, it could be one of the facets of life. Like, we could be creating a simulation just through culture and society, and that simulation is literally how we enter into another dimension. We're looking at it like it's some nonsense thing.

Bryan Callen 30:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Like, it's a simulation. Oh, it's just a simu- ... But it, it could literally be how dimensions are created. They're created by creativity and ingenuity and, and, and, and innovation over long periods of time with millions of people working in conjunction. Uh, different people figuring out processing power and coding and all these different things. And next thing you know, you've got these ... There's, there's these, uh, virtual reality places. Like, we have an Oculus out there that you can put on-

Bryan Callen 30:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:39 ... and you can do all these games. It's really fun. But there are some virtual reality places now that you go into a warehouse and you go through this whole thing. You know, there's a, there's a place that's in Disneyland and there's, uh, another place down the street called Sandbox and you play games. And-

Eddie Bravo 30:51 Oh, there's a, there's an arcade, a VR arcade at the Westfield Mall on-

Joe Rogan 30:56 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 30:56 ... uh, Riverside, it's called, uh-

Bryan Callen 30:57 Well, there's one right here.

Eddie Bravo 30:58 ... Parallel Universe.

Bryan Callen 30:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:59 But, but don't you think if we're in a simulation-

Eddie Bravo 31:01 I go all the time. That's what I'm saying.

Bryan Callen 31:01 ... and, and you believe we're in a simulation, if I was not right in the head, it'd be way easier for me to commit suicide if I just think and it's the whole simulation.

Joe Rogan 31:09 Well, th- th- yeah, I mean, you can-

Bryan Callen 31:11 It gets dark, man.

Joe Rogan 31:11 There's a lot of variables.

Bryan Callen 31:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:12 There's a lot of variables about why shouldn't I just do whatever I want if it's just a simulation?

Bryan Callen 31:15 If it's a simulation, it doesn't count, does it?

Joe Rogan 31:17 But I, but I don't think it's that simple. I think all the rules apply. I think what, what they're trying to say is if human beings keep going, we definitely will create a simulation. It's just a matter of time. So if that's the case, how do we know that we're not in one already? And we really don't. Every day we go to sleep and every day we wake up and we assume and we have faith that all that stuff that we remember is really how life went on before we were awake. But we really don't know. Really, you don't ... When you black out and then come back to, who the fuck knows what's transpiring? Who knows where your consciousness goes? Who knows where you are? You're gone. Eight hours seems like a second. All of a sudden, you're foggy, a couple minutes to wake up and boom. Where'd that time go? Where are you? Who are you? You're assuming that all of the stuff that you know and all of the stuff that you experience is a hundred percent real.

Bryan Callen 32:05 But what if it is real?

Joe Rogan 32:06 What do you mean? If the simulation is real?

Bryan Callen 32:08 No, what if the simulation isn't real and we are on this Earth?

Joe Rogan 32:10 That's possible too.

Bryan Callen 32:11 And you are down for eight hours.

Eddie Bravo 32:11 You know, like, when it come-

Joe Rogan 32:12 It's possible too.

Eddie Bravo 32:12 ... when it comes to simulation theory-

Joe Rogan 32:14 No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eddie Bravo 32:14 ... it's possible.

Bryan Callen 32:14 Well, I think that's ... The odds of that are probably-

Joe Rogan 32:16 But, but the, uh, the, but the passing out is a bad example. But the f- the good example is that we are within a- a hundred years away from making something that's indiscernible from what we experience every day. And that's inevitable. It seems like just how people do it. And what I'm saying is, that might literally be how your consciousness transforms into whatever next stage of existence-

Bryan Callen 32:38 Ah, yes.

Joe Rogan 32:39 ... there is. We mi- ... It might be something that human beings do, like a caterpillar makes a cocoon and becomes a butterfly. Human beings make crazy fucking technology. And I think that's one of the reasons why we're so invested in materialism. Everybody loves things. They love shiny things-

Bryan Callen 32:54 Love them.

Joe Rogan 32:54 ... especially the new ones. Oh, if you got the newest car-

Bryan Callen 32:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:57 ... it's even faster. The newest computer has better graphics.

Bryan Callen 32:59 Newer shoes.

Joe Rogan 32:59 And as all this stuff, as we're paying for newer and better shit, it's fueling all this innovation, which making crazier and crazier technology, until artificial intelligence, until we create something that you can't turn off. And-

Bryan Callen 33:13 Or you, or you download your consciousness and you just, you just, you know? You can download into another body or another-

Joe Rogan 33:19 That might be what a simulation is. That wha- ... That might be what a simulation is. What a simulation might be is that when we open this up with sufficient power and technology and processing power, whatever you are might go into this thing.

Bryan Callen 33:31 That's a bit of a bummer though, right?

Joe Rogan 33:33 I don't know.

Bryan Callen 33:33 When you think about it, like, let's say when you're a hundred and y- ... finally, the technology there, you just download your consciousness into another body, you just keep going. It's like, man, this is it?

Joe Rogan 33:42 I don't know, man.

Bryan Callen 33:43 This is it? We don't go on? It's-

Joe Rogan 33:45 That's depressing as fuck to me. It's ki- ... Well, it's kind of fat- ... I mean, what i- ... What are we? That's the thing.

Bryan Callen 33:50 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 33:50 It's like, what the fuck are we when we're thinking and talking? When you're thinking of yourself, like you, like when you're using the word I. "I am going to do this. I'm going ..." What does that mean? Like, where are you? You're, you're, you're this strange being that's got a, a, a finite lifespan. It's not really that long.

Bryan Callen 34:05 Not at all.

Joe Rogan 34:06 You know what I mean? Eddie and I are middle-aged motherfuckers if we're lucky, right?

Bryan Callen 34:09 You're on the back, you're on the back nine, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:10 We're in the back nine.

Bryan Callen 34:11 Yeah. I'm almost there.

Joe Rogan 34:12 And, a- ... Yeah. And, and then you die. So what, what is going on while you're alive? It's all guesswork, man. We don't know what this is, and everyone is involved in the guesswork, from the highest levels of government down to fucking the, the poorest people in the world. Everyone's guessing. It's all weird. It's all real weird and it's all, we're gonna die and the next generation's gonna pick up, and the next generation after them's gonna pick up.

Bryan Callen 34:32 But, but life is a ... Because of technology and science, your, you know, the, the average lifespan's going like this.

Joe Rogan 34:38 It is.

Bryan Callen 34:38 Crck, crick, crick, crick.

Joe Rogan 34:38 But also, you're, you have more information. You can look at history. You can look at how long we've been here. The more they start- ... They just found another asteroid impact from 800,000 years ago.

Bryan Callen 34:49 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 34:49 They knew we were hit 800,000 years ago, but now they've located the crater. It's like th- there's-

Eddie Bravo 34:54 Where'd you read that? In the library?

Joe Rogan 34:55 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 34:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:56 I watched it on YouTube. This, it's becoming this ... You know, people are, are realizing, like, there's, there's only been a short amount of time where human beings have even been human. We've only been human for half a million years at the most.

Bryan Callen 35:08 Some of that stuff bums me out, especially if you have kids, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:11 It's wei- ... Well, w- i- ... If ... But think about it this way, if you were a Neanderthal or a, you know, a fucking Australopithecus and, you know, you were told that your species is gonna go extinct, and you think of all the good times you had killing muskrats and cooking them over the fire with your kids and, and hiding from jaguars and shit, you think of all those good times, like, this is ... we're not gonna be us anymore? Like, no, no, no.

Eddie Bravo 35:31 So you think, you think if this is a computer simulation, at what point ... Like, when did it start? Like in the 1800s? The 1600s? Uh, 200 AD? 5000 BC? At ... When did, when was the beginning of this simulation?

Joe Rogan 35:47 (smacks lips) Who knows, man?

Bryan Callen 35:48 We don't know.

Joe Rogan 35:48 There's a video game where you create your own worlds. There's a-

Bryan Callen 35:51 SimCity, baby.

Joe Rogan 35:52 No, no, no. More crazy. There's a video game where you literally create a universe. You create a planet and you put things on it. And like ... What is that game called again, Jamie? What is it?

Bryan Callen 36:00 Oddworld.

Joe Rogan 36:01 No Man's Sky. No Man's Sky? Yeah.... um.

Eddie Bravo 36:04 I think that's what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 36:05 The, that could be what the universe is. I mean, the whole thing about the Big Bang, like the Big Bang means that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pin at one point in time somewhere around-

Eddie Bravo 36:14 You know who made that up?

Joe Rogan 36:16 No, but hold on a second. So the universe smaller than the head of a pin, boom, explodes, becomes everything. Well, what started that? Well, how do we not know that-

Eddie Bravo 36:23 The universe, right?

Joe Rogan 36:24 ... that was when somebody, somebody pressed start on a program? Started the rest of us-

Eddie Bravo 36:27 How do we even know that that even happened? Like the, the theory is billions of years ago, out of nothing, everything exploded. You know-

Joe Rogan 36:33 What do you think happened?

Eddie Bravo 36:33 You know, well, you know who came up with it?

Joe Rogan 36:35 Are you becoming religious on me?

Eddie Bravo 36:36 You know, you know who came up with it?

Joe Rogan 36:37 Oh, dude. If you start talking about Jesus-

Eddie Bravo 36:39 No, no, no. You know who came up with the Big Bang?

Joe Rogan 36:41 Are you becoming religious on me?

Eddie Bravo 36:41 You can look this up right now. The Big Bang is a priest from the Vatican, a priest came up with that.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Mm.

Eddie Bravo 36:46 It was a theory.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Sci- scientists didn't?

Eddie Bravo 36:49 Nope, a priest.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Are you sure?

Eddie Bravo 36:51 A million percent.

Joe Rogan 36:53 So he was the first one, but you know-

Eddie Bravo 36:55 And I know, I, I have a good, uh, idea why.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Why?

Eddie Bravo 36:59 That's gonna take like 10 minutes. Can I have anoth- another one of these? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:02 (laughs) Yeah, please.

Eddie Bravo 37:03 He's talking about...

Joe Rogan 37:04 Get someone.

Eddie Bravo 37:05 There's ice in that thing.

Joe Rogan 37:06 You know, if, if we're in a simulation and you're talking about, you know, the homeless guy or the, the kids starving in Ethiopia.

Eddie Bravo 37:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:12 He's like, "What the fuck, dude?" Or the guy grinding his way out or the, the single mother of five working at McDonald's.

Eddie Bravo 37:17 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 She's like, "What kind of fu-... Who the fuck chose this?"

Eddie Bravo 37:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:19 "What is going on here, man?" So onl-... I feel like only people who are higher up and people that have money say we're in a simulation. Yes, the guy at McDonal-... I bet you there's not one dude working at McDonald's going, "I think it's a simulation, dude."

Eddie Bravo 37:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:30 That's true. But that's just because when you're struggling sur- for survival, everything is more important. Like, you're, you're on the edge. But the thing about a guy like Elon Musk, who's one of the proponents of the simulation theory, the thing about a guy like him is he's got enough resources to relax a little bit, but also he is involved in technology every day and he's probably one of the smartest people on earth and he's financially stable. So he can stop and think and think about things in a way where he's not, he, he, he's not overburdened by... Like he has stresses for sure and obligations for sure, massive ones, three giant companies. But what he doesn't have is like survival stress. Survival stress about like being poor or being in danger. But also, but also the level that, that, uh, where his IQ is so high, right? He's on a different frequency. He might be too smart. There's a lot of things where when he speaks, I go, "Yeah, he's smart as fuck. I, I don't agree with him." You know? I... Like, that's not...

Eddie Bravo 38:26 Once I start seeing like, um, organic matter or like, uh, body parts and they, they, they, you watch it under like some, um-

Joe Rogan 38:35 Microscope.

Eddie Bravo 38:35 Yeah. And you see some like computer numbers and stuff, then I'd be like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 38:41 What? What are you talking about?

Eddie Bravo 38:42 For me to believe, uh, to take, um, uh, that we live in a computer simulation seriously, I'd have to see like evidence like that, you know?

Joe Rogan 38:49 Well, uh, if it, if it is a computer simulation, Eddie, that means everything that's physical you're experiencing in a simulated way.

Eddie Bravo 38:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:57 So it could be everything. It could... Like, if you're... If it's just your mind experiencing things that your mind translate as being physical sensations- Real. Why would it have numbers and zeroes on it?

Eddie Bravo 39:07 No, I get it. I get it. And maybe we do live in a simulation.

Joe Rogan 39:09 I'm not saying we do.

Eddie Bravo 39:09 I just, I just don't say, see any evidence of it.

Joe Rogan 39:11 How about Collins at 3:30 though? Oh, yeah. We knew it. I told you. He fucking called it. I said, "We're not waiting for him." It's four o'clock now. Yeah. Look, I'm not saying that we're in a simulation. What I'm saying is I think things are a lot weirder than anybody wants to admit. (clears throat) Or, or we're just-

Eddie Bravo 39:25 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:25 ... overthinking it.

Eddie Bravo 39:26 And they're gonna claim-

Joe Rogan 39:26 Or, or, or-

Eddie Bravo 39:26 Sure, I believe that.

Joe Rogan 39:27 There's so much information on the internet and- Yep. ... you know, there's smart people who are just overthinking everything and there is no simulation.

Eddie Bravo 39:33 There's that too.

Joe Rogan 39:33 Once you live your life, it's over, man. Lights out. Could be. Could be we wanna think there's something- Case closed. That's it.

Eddie Bravo 39:38 Yep.

Joe Rogan 39:38 We wanna think there's something next because we want to hope that our contributions are permanent and that we're gonna, we're gonna somehow or another come back in another life. That's where kids come into play, right? Yep. Your seeds, stuff like that. And also the way you treat people and the things that you rub off on other people. Yeah, man. They start to carry it on throughout their life.

Eddie Bravo 39:53 The one thing that's happening right now is we're, um, we're, we're at a point now where more people don't trust the mainstream information coming in more than ever. And it's gotten to the point it's, it's snowballing, where there's a, a, an army, they're called Anons, QAnons, that they're anonymous, but they're all on the same track looking for the truth, digging, digging, making YouTube channels. Boom, there's all these YouTube, and they're all popping up. They're becoming the new news, the real news. No commercials. No, um, uh, bullshit motherfuckers like Ander-

Joe Rogan 40:34 No advertiser and stuff. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 40:36 No, n- no, none of those. I mean, look at the news these days. Look at the news. Look what they're saying.

Joe Rogan 40:40 But who's watching that, Eddie?

Eddie Bravo 40:41 Over and over. Nobody.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Nobody's really fucking with them.

Eddie Bravo 40:44 Over and over.

Joe Rogan 40:44 What, the news news?

Eddie Bravo 40:44 Over and over. They're wrong about everything over and over. Three years of, "Trump's a Russian agent." They gave Trump the Russian. They gave... That's the worst thing you could give a politician. He's a Russian agent. You can get killed for that shit. They gave him the worst shit. They gave him, uh, uh, Russia, racism, rape.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Nothing.

Eddie Bravo 41:04 They gave him all that shit and nothing stuck.

Joe Rogan 41:06 They got anything.

Eddie Bravo 41:06 They g- Nothing stuck. But if they could do that to the president, they could do that to anybody.

Joe Rogan 41:10 But not take any pres- This is the first time we've ever really seen that being done to a president. Yeah, I know.

Eddie Bravo 41:14 Dude, if they could do that to him-

Joe Rogan 41:16 Like, full on.

Eddie Bravo 41:16 ... they can do that to anybody.

Joe Rogan 41:17 But it's interesting because he's the first president ever that's made like an assault on the media.

Eddie Bravo 41:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:22 And instead of like proving their integrity and being unflappable and sticking to the tightest journalistic standards-

Eddie Bravo 41:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 41:30 ... they've, they've actually slipped.

Eddie Bravo 41:32 Yeah. No matter what hap- no matter what Trump does, they take the opposite stance.

Joe Rogan 41:37 But it also-

Eddie Bravo 41:37 No matter what.

Joe Rogan 41:38 But it's also happening at the same time. See, Trump got... One of the ways that Trump got a lot of attention when he was running for president is being outrageous.

Eddie Bravo 41:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 41:45 So they would cover him. So all these, these news channels that thought they were gonna expose him for being a jerk or for saying crazy things-

Eddie Bravo 41:53 They shot themselves in the foot.

Joe Rogan 41:54 ... so they wouldn't cover him, they just made him more and more popular.

Eddie Bravo 41:58 Yeah, you're right.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Right? So their business grew from making fun of him, from talking shit about him, from saying he's gonna be impeached, from saying he's gonna be in jail. That was a part of their business. And then it stayed a part of their business when he started calling them fake news.

Eddie Bravo 42:12 Yep. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:13 And so now, instead of being like at the tightest of journalistic standards, they have actually resorted to a lot of clickbaity shit because now people aren't really reading regular newspapers anymore and they're only watching like short clips online.

Eddie Bravo 42:27 And now people are out.

Joe Rogan 42:27 They're not paying attention and a lot of people are out.

Eddie Bravo 42:29 They're out. They're, "Oh, this is all bullshit. He was right."

Joe Rogan 42:31 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 42:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 Even if you don't like Trump, you're like, "Ah, fuck, dude."

Eddie Bravo 42:33 Yeah, but e- yeah, even if you hate Trump, think about this. If Trump didn't win-... the person that would be president right now would have a body count. Think about that shit. You'd rather have a person with a body count than Trump? Just because he's arrogant and overconfident and all that shit? He's a badass businessman. Econ- the economy is better than ever, better than ever. Unemployment, better than ever. That's what we have a president here for, to make our country better, more prosperous. And that's what he's doing.

Joe Rogan 43:01 Would you wear a MAGA hat?

Guest 43:03 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 43:03 It's too dangerous. Are you kidding? It's too... If I wear a MAGA hat, I'd be like looking over my... If you wear a red hat and it says, "Make America Great Again," you're gonna get killed.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Dude-

Guest 43:12 You'd suck at hats.

Eddie Bravo 43:12 You'd get killed. You'd get killed.

Joe Rogan 43:12 If you just wear a red hat that says, "USA," they'll punch you.

Guest 43:15 Dude, I- I wore...

Eddie Bravo 43:16 Totally.

Guest 43:16 I used to wear one. It had a small red letter... And it-

Eddie Bravo 43:18 It better, it better have a fief, uh, people on-

Guest 43:20 Dude, my brother goes, "Don't wear that hat anymore." I go, "Why?" He goes, "Because it looks like you're just the biggest Trump supporter." I go, "It's a red hat."

Joe Rogan 43:26 Oh, my God. You can't wear red hats.

Guest 43:26 "It's a USA..." He goes, "You can't wear it."

Eddie Bravo 43:28 Look, look how powerful the media is. The po- the media is so powerful that anybody wearing a red hat that says, "Make America Great Again," it, can get punched.

Guest 43:36 Sucker punched.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Except for Kobi Covington.

Eddie Bravo 43:37 Dude, that, that-

Joe Rogan 43:37 Well, I don't know if it's the media that did that.

Eddie Bravo 43:39 Of course it was.

Joe Rogan 43:40 It's just it's the people's reaction to those hats.

Eddie Bravo 43:42 No, no.

Guest 43:42 It's anti-Trump.

Eddie Bravo 43:43 The media ha- the media-

Joe Rogan 43:43 It could've been a black hat. It could've, it could've been whatever hat.

Eddie Bravo 43:46 No, no, no. But all the anti-Trump stuff comes from the media. It all comes from the media.

Joe Rogan 43:49 Well, it comes from the media because of what we were talking about earlier. It became their business to talk shit about Trump. And they thought by doing that, they were gonna sink him. They really did.

Eddie Bravo 43:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:58 But they didn't realize how resilient he is.

Guest 44:00 The boy is gangster. Say what you want about him. A lot of the people are gonna be like that.

Eddie Bravo 44:02 It's, it's not... It's not just about Trump. A- a- a-

Joe Rogan 44:02 He's pretty good at this.

Eddie Bravo 44:03 It wasn't just Trump. It's, Trump was recruited. He was r- there's good people-

Joe Rogan 44:08 Okay, we're going too deep.

Eddie Bravo 44:09 Okay.

Guest 44:10 Dude, how about I went to that comic, that, that West East Comics pizza.

Eddie Bravo 44:13 No, he was recruited. There's a, there's a plan to-

Joe Rogan 44:14 How do you know this for sure?

Eddie Bravo 44:16 Because, uh, I'm, I'm into it every day, man.

Joe Rogan 44:19 But how does that-

Eddie Bravo 44:19 Just follow Q.

Joe Rogan 44:19 But how do you-

Eddie Bravo 44:20 Follow Q. Q is 100%.

Joe Rogan 44:20 But how do you know that they're right?

Eddie Bravo 44:22 Because everything that's happening right now, we knew about it two years ago.

Joe Rogan 44:25 They've called it.

Eddie Bravo 44:25 We knew about all this shit, the FISA, D-class, all this shit. All the people that are going down, we knew it. It's still going on right now. Q is dropping right now. Q is Trump and the people that, around him. It's their, it's a, an intelligence, uh, dissemination program.

Joe Rogan 44:39 You know who believes in all that shit? Pat Milotic.

Eddie Bravo 44:41 It's true. It's true.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Pat Milotic-

Eddie Bravo 44:42 Of course.

Joe Rogan 44:42 He's got a thing called Conspiracy Farm. He's got a podcast.

Eddie Bravo 44:45 Yeah. Q is real, dude. Q is real. (laughs) It's 100% real. All it is, all Q is, is they're dropping info to the peop- the patriots, the people who really want the best for the country. Not the loony left. They don't want the best for the country. They tr-

Joe Rogan 44:59 The left- What do you, what do you mean? What do you think the loony left wants?

Eddie Bravo 45:01 The loony left right now-

Joe Rogan 45:03 What do you think they want?

Eddie Bravo 45:03 All the, the top of the loony left-

Guest 45:05 That should be a T-shirt, by the way.

Eddie Bravo 45:05 The top of the loony left, the top of them, they're all gonna go down for some shit.

Joe Rogan 45:09 Okay, what do you think they want?

Eddie Bravo 45:09 It's not just Hunter Biden. It's not just Hunter Biden. It's Pelosi-

Joe Rogan 45:13 What do you think they want then?

Eddie Bravo 45:14 They want world wars. They want... You know what happened? Remember, remember 9/11? The day before 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld makes an announcement that the Pentagon is missing-

Joe Rogan 45:23 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 45:23 ... $2.3 trillion.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Right.

Eddie Bravo 45:25 Guess what? There was gonna be a lot of investigations going on. People were gonna go down for that. But guess what? 9/11 happens and no one brings it up. So if we have a world war right now, uh, those people won't go to prison. What would you rather go... You'd rather go to prison or world war?

Joe Rogan 45:37 This is your theory?

Eddie Bravo 45:38 Well, this is the Q plan.

Joe Rogan 45:40 But do you think there's world war?

Eddie Bravo 45:41 This is what's going on.

Guest 45:41 So you think that Nancy-

Joe Rogan 45:42 What would rather happen?

Guest 45:43 Hold on a second. You think Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton, all these people got together and said, "Hey, we're gonna go to jail unless we start a world war, so let's collude to start a world war."

Eddie Bravo 45:51 No, no, no. I'm not saying no, no. They're not, they didn't say, "Let's start a world war."

Guest 45:54 They're not it.

Eddie Bravo 45:54 But they want... It's a lot more, it's a lot more complicated than that. But do they want a world war? Do they want another 9/11? Fuck yeah. Dude, you don't think Biden wants a wor- world war three?

Guest 46:06 Trump, Trump doesn't though.

Eddie Bravo 46:07 I mean this, I mean this-

Joe Rogan 46:07 I don't think Trump does.

Guest 46:08 Yes, I do.

Eddie Bravo 46:08 Dude, have you seen the video-

Joe Rogan 46:09 I think Biden wants to be president.

Guest 46:10 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 46:10 Have you seen the video? Have you seen the video of Biden at the CFR? You've seen that video of him bragging, doing a quid pro quo?

Joe Rogan 46:17 Yes.

Eddie Bravo 46:18 That's what this is all about. This is what they do. This is what they do. This is what politicians do.

Guest 46:23 Well, they, they deserve power. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 46:24 They go to countries, they go to countries, they go to countries and they say, "Listen, we're gonna give you a billion dollars in aid, and you're gonna kick back half of it or whatever into our foundations as donations. And then we get our money back. And then you're gonna hire my son, put him on one of your energy boards and have your taxpayers pay him 100K a month." They've been doing that forever.

Guest 46:42 Of course. But bro, Trump does that too.

Eddie Bravo 46:45 So, so-

Guest 46:45 His daughter works in his cabinet, right? His son-in-law works for the government.

Eddie Bravo 46:50 No, no, but that's not illegal though.

Guest 46:51 They're both very largely-

Eddie Bravo 46:51 That's not illegal. That's not illegal.

Guest 46:52 Okay, but it's kind of the same thing then.

Eddie Bravo 46:54 It's not, that's not the same thing.

Guest 46:54 Okay, because...

Eddie Bravo 46:55 Same-

Guest 46:55 It's not illegal, because it's not illegal.

Eddie Bravo 46:56 That Biden, Biden-

Joe Rogan 46:57 But getting your family jobs in this-

Eddie Bravo 47:00 No, but...

Joe Rogan 47:00 ... in this sort of sneaky way-

Eddie Bravo 47:01 That's not that bad.

Joe Rogan 47:01 ... is what they do.

Eddie Bravo 47:02 Yeah, yeah. But the fact, the fact, the fact that Biden-

Guest 47:03 It's called hooking people up. Go ahead and hook people up.

Eddie Bravo 47:04 The fact that Biden threatened, he threatened-

Joe Rogan 47:08 I can't do Biden talk, man. I can't go this deep in politics.

Eddie Bravo 47:11 Why not?

Joe Rogan 47:11 Because it bores me.

Eddie Bravo 47:12 Biden?

Joe Rogan 47:13 All of it bores me. I get bored.

Eddie Bravo 47:15 He's hilarious. Biden's hilarious.

Guest 47:15 Do you think we're going to world war three though with Iran? It's scary. I don't think we are.

Joe Rogan 47:17 No. No. It looks like what Iran did was try to save face and just shoot some missiles in the general direction of a base. They blew up that plane though.

Guest 47:23 Yeah, yeah. They blew it up, the plane.

Joe Rogan 47:23 And they reported that was fucked up. May or may not have been an accident.

Guest 47:27 They said it was a mistake now.

Eddie Bravo 47:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Well, they're spec, they're speculating.

Guest 47:31 What are you thinking?

Eddie Bravo 47:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:32 They're speculating.

Eddie Bravo 47:32 Ukraine airline and all the... Well, anyways, I don't know about that. But, um, they reported, Iran reported that they killed 30 Americans. So Iran thinks that, "Oh, we retaliated."

Guest 47:42 Well, that's a good thing for them to say.

Joe Rogan 47:42 No, they're saving face.

Eddie Bravo 47:45 Exactly.

Guest 47:45 Good, I hope they do.

Joe Rogan 47:45 That's what's going on.

Guest 47:46 I hope they talk it out.

Joe Rogan 47:46 Yeah, they're saving face.

Eddie Bravo 47:47 I'm not say- I'm not saying 30 people died, you know.

Joe Rogan 47:49 I like what Trump-

Guest 47:50 Oh, no. You're saying Iran said that to their people.

Eddie Bravo 47:51 They were like, they both, they're, it's a way to... They both save face and there's no world war three.

Guest 47:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:55 That's all I want, no war.

Eddie Bravo 47:56 That's what's going on. That's all I want.

Joe Rogan 47:56 I like what Trump said. I like what Trump said today.

Eddie Bravo 47:59 What'd he say?

Joe Rogan 47:59 Uh, when, when he gave a, a speech about it, that we can all live together in peace, and that we can all prosper together.

Guest 48:04 Yeah, surprisingly, he doesn't want... Everyone goes, "Oh, he wants to go to war."

Eddie Bravo 48:06 No.

Guest 48:06 "Because the impeachment, it's a distraction."

Joe Rogan 48:08 No, I don't want war. I can't talk about this.

Guest 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Let's talk about the UFC because that's what we do.

Guest 48:11 Yeah, let's do it.

Joe Rogan 48:11 We st- we... The idea of starting this thing, we, we go deep in these po- And I feel bad. We talk about fun things.

Guest 48:16 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:16 I feel good.

Guest 48:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:17 You like these. You like stirring them up about lizard people.

Guest 48:20 I, I, I find, I find what E- E- Eddie's info is super, super interesting.

Bryan Callen 48:24 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 48:24 (laughs) You're fucking with him.

Bryan Callen 48:26 No, I'm not. I promise. Look, sometimes I am, but I'm-

Joe Rogan 48:28 He's slipping over, he is.

Bryan Callen 48:29 I'm- I'm- I'm trying-

Joe Rogan 48:30 On the down low.

Bryan Callen 48:30 I'm reading a CIA book, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:31 On the down low, he's slipping into it.

Bryan Callen 48:33 Me and Tripley go deep into it.

Joe Rogan 48:35 Eh, Epstein-

Bryan Callen 48:35 You ever go flatter?

Joe Rogan 48:36 Epstein's gonna turn everybody.

Bryan Callen 48:37 I'm not that deep.

Joe Rogan 48:38 (laughs) But you're not married to the ball though, right?

Guest 48:41 You're not married to the ball!

Bryan Callen 48:41 I'm married to the ball.

Joe Rogan 48:42 No, you aren't?

Guest 48:43 Married to the ball? Stop it.

Bryan Callen 48:43 I'm super married to the ball.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Oh, you are?

Guest 48:45 Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.

Joe Rogan 48:46 Okay, okay. We can't do this.

Bryan Callen 48:46 There's only certain ones I can go down to.

Joe Rogan 48:48 Hey, you said you were- you weren't married to the ball.

Guest 48:50 You're not married to the ball!

Bryan Callen 48:50 I'm open-minded though, brother. I'm open-minded.

Joe Rogan 48:52 You said you were.

Guest 48:53 No, I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 48:53 You said you were.

Bryan Callen 48:53 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 48:53 Okay, you changed your mind. Okay.

Bryan Callen 48:54 No, no, I like balls though.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Okay. Well, let's- let's start with, uh-

Bryan Callen 48:58 (laughs) We're- we're all here.

Joe Rogan 48:59 The whole idea about doing this as a 2019 breakdown.

Bryan Callen 49:01 But real quick, Conor-Cowboy next weekend, fellas.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Yes, next weekend. Oh, shit. Yeah, we can start with that.

Bryan Callen 49:05 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 49:06 What do you think about that?

Bryan Callen 49:07 Uh...

Joe Rogan 49:07 Conor looks very good in training.

Bryan Callen 49:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:09 He looks very lean, he looks big.

Bryan Callen 49:11 And I- I- I had Dominick Cruz on my show, uh, The Food Truck Diary yesterday, and he saw, uh, Conor at the training center in Vegas and was like, "Dude, his footwork, the way he moves." He's like, "He has some new shit too, man."

Joe Rogan 49:23 Really?

Bryan Callen 49:23 He was like, "I don't wanna get into it."

Joe Rogan 49:25 He's very explosive. The thing is if Cowboy can survive the initial onslaught, it becomes very interesting to see... You know, I re-watched Conor and Khabib and, you know, people were always talking about Conor gassing out. Well, one of the things that was interesting about Conor-Khabib is that the third round, he came out guns blazing.

Bryan Callen 49:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:41 You know, and Khabib had been mauling him for the- for the first two.

Bryan Callen 49:43 Have you- have you heard about that camp too? Have you- did you hear his MAC Life interview? He started doing interviews and he was honest. He goes, "Man, for that Khabib fight, I- I didn't train that hard, wasn't committed. I took the fight. You know, it is what it is."

Joe Rogan 49:55 Hmm.

Bryan Callen 49:55 He said, "That's why I want a rematch." And he says he hasn't been committed.

Joe Rogan 49:58 Hmm.

Bryan Callen 49:58 And I- I- with everything going on, the outside kind of, um, chaos, I- I kinda buy into it, man. But everyone says-

Joe Rogan 50:05 I've been watching some old Conor fights. Old Conor fights are awesome. Like, from Cage Warriors?

Bryan Callen 50:09 But I think you're- you're gonna get a version of that old Conor next Saturday against Cowboy.

Joe Rogan 50:13 He was throwing Capoeira kicks in Cage Warriors.

Bryan Callen 50:15 I don't like that it's at 170 though.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Well-

Bryan Callen 50:17 When I heard that, I went, "Oh, I don't like that."

Joe Rogan 50:19 Well, it's- it's okay.

Bryan Callen 50:20 It's for him.

Joe Rogan 50:20 But it's okay because it's basically 155 or they don't cut weight. They're both 55ers. Conor obviously has fought 70 when he fought Nate and, you know-

Bryan Callen 50:28 Conor's a small 70.

Joe Rogan 50:29 Cowboy has fought 70 really successfully against big strong guys, dangerous guys like Mike Perry and Alex Pereira.

Bryan Callen 50:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Alex Pereira who used to be 55 as well.

Bryan Callen 50:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:37 But I think, uh, Conor is, uh, this is a good fight if he wants to fight 70 'cause you're not fighting an Usman. Like, he's talking about fighting Usman. I'm like-

Bryan Callen 50:46 I don't like that for him. So what are you thinking, dude?

Joe Rogan 50:47 That might just be crazy talk.

Bryan Callen 50:49 Well let- well, let me ask you this.

Joe Rogan 50:50 Usman's so big, dude. I stood next to him the other day when, you know, at the- at the Rams.

Bryan Callen 50:54 Oh, Kamaru's huge, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:55 I- I couldn't believe it just a few hours ago he had made 170.

Bryan Callen 50:57 He's fucking huge, dude.

Joe Rogan 50:58 He looked like- he looked like it was 195 with like 3% body fat. (laughs)

Bryan Callen 51:03 It's gonna be hard to beat that motherfucker, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:04 He's tough.

Guest 51:05 He's amazing.

Bryan Callen 51:05 That's gonna be hard to beat.

Joe Rogan 51:07 He's so tough.

Bryan Callen 51:07 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 51:07 Do you know he broke his fucking hand pr- training for that fight? I saw it in the fight. I called it in the fight. I'm like, "He's not using his left hand. Keep an eye on his left hand." He switched southpaw for a little bit and was throwing right jabs. I was like, "I think there's something wrong with his left hand." And then somewhere along the line, he starts throwing it again. And he texted me after the fight. (laughs) He said, "You called it." He goes like, "Bro, you sent me a video of him breaking his hand in sparring."" And then he said, "I just knew I had to just throw it."

Bryan Callen 51:30 Such a stud.

Joe Rogan 51:30 And threw it anyways.

Bryan Callen 51:31 Such a stud.

Joe Rogan 51:31 You know that guy's knees were so fucked up that he couldn't walk on concrete? He was training for a fight and he had to walk on grass. He would like move over to the concrete 'cause the concrete would hurt.

Bryan Callen 51:40 Why does his knees hurt?

Joe Rogan 51:41 'Cause from fucking- his meniscus is torn apart.

Bryan Callen 51:43 He can't run.

Joe Rogan 51:43 His cartilage is torn apart.

Bryan Callen 51:44 He can't run at all.

Joe Rogan 51:45 He can't run.

Bryan Callen 51:46 He can only swim.

Joe Rogan 51:47 That sounds like me. (laughs)

Guest 51:47 Oh.

Bryan Callen 51:47 He can only swim, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:48 He can only swim and he does cra- but he does a lot of cardio and air- dying bikes and shit.

Bryan Callen 51:52 Whatever he's doing is working.

Joe Rogan 51:52 He's a savage, dude.

Bryan Callen 51:54 Savage.

Joe Rogan 51:54 He's- his mind-

Bryan Callen 51:55 How old is he?

Joe Rogan 51:56 I think Kamaru's like 32. Is that right?

Bryan Callen 51:59 Yeah- no, I don't think he's even that old. Is he 31?

Guest 52:00 Dude.

Bryan Callen 52:01 30, 30?

Joe Rogan 52:01 He's in his-

Bryan Callen 52:02 I don't think he's 32. I don't know anything about Khabib, though.

Joe Rogan 52:03 He's in his fucking prime. And the fact that that Colby fight was all standup, all standup, and Colby hit him with hammers. They both hit each other, but at the end, Kamaru took over and he- you know, that straight right hand that broke his jaw-

Bryan Callen 52:16 Kamaru looks great, man.

Joe Rogan 52:17 ... somewhere in the third.

Bryan Callen 52:17 Dude.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Dude, he's- he's one of the best of all time. I mean, I know it's hard to say-

Bryan Callen 52:20 That looks-

Joe Rogan 52:20 ... that when the guy's only defended the title once, won the title against one of the best in Tyron Woodley, and then def- look. Colby Covington put away all that trash talk. That guy is a fucking-

Bryan Callen 52:30 He's a stud.

Joe Rogan 52:30 ... animal.

Bryan Callen 52:31 No, no. People wanna hate on-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Oh.

Bryan Callen 52:32 3:30 to my ass.

Joe Rogan 52:34 Look at this. No wine-

Guest 52:35 What time is it?

Joe Rogan 52:36 ... no cheese.

Guest 52:36 What time is it?

Joe Rogan 52:37 It's 4:12.

Bryan Callen 52:38 4:12.

Guest 52:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Traffic. I came from Culver City.

Bryan Callen 52:41 And where's your-

Guest 52:42 You son of a bitch.

Bryan Callen 52:42 And where's your bag of- of wine with cheese?

Joe Rogan 52:44 We- we have wine. Well, I thought he was bringing whiskey. We have whiskey. We have wine. All right. There's no need to bring any- We thought- we thought you were gonna be like this. I barely got here. Rocking like this.

Guest 52:52 I would've.

Joe Rogan 52:52 You- you missed all the flat earth talk.

Guest 52:55 Oh, shock. We went deep.

Bryan Callen 52:56 You- you- you missed the Epstein talk, which was really-

Joe Rogan 52:59 Q- QAnon. We just saw that. Let me, I'll tell you about-

Guest 53:02 That's Trump.

Joe Rogan 53:02 I'll tell you about the Epstein stuff though.

Guest 53:03 Pass that.

Joe Rogan 53:03 The crazy stuff.

Guest 53:04 Pass that.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Dude, you're gonna trip when you hear the ship. After the show.

Bryan Callen 53:07 I- I wanna know what the next door was.

Guest 53:09 After the show.

Joe Rogan 53:09 Shout out to, uh, Meat Eater Whiskey.

Guest 53:11 After this. Hey, let me see that. How's that wine?

Bryan Callen 53:12 Where's that buffalo trace, son?

Guest 53:14 That wine is like 2010. That looks good.

Joe Rogan 53:15 This is, uh, my friend Steve Ranella's ship.

Guest 53:17 I've had that. It's good stuff.

Joe Rogan 53:19 It's very good.

Guest 53:19 I like- I like steeds though.

Bryan Callen 53:19 Oh, he has his own whiskey?

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yes, sir.

Guest 53:21 Yeah. But I need some red wine.

Joe Rogan 53:23 You can get some wine too, bitch.

Guest 53:24 Damn, I like it. We're getting crazy in here, huh?

Bryan Callen 53:26 What's up, dog? Coming up set?

Guest 53:27 What's up, buddy? Yeah, coming on set. Sorry about the makeup. Sorry about my skin being all kinds of smooth.

Bryan Callen 53:31 At least your hair's thick.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Do you, uh-

Guest 53:32 You got makeup on now?

Joe Rogan 53:33 ... you still-

Guest 53:33 A little bit.

Bryan Callen 53:34 It's good.

Guest 53:34 I wiped it off with makeup remover.

Bryan Callen 53:35 It's good.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Hey, hey, B. But do what Eddie did. Shave your head.

Guest 53:38 I- I would shave it.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Do what Eddie did. Shave your head.

Guest 53:40 I would. I love it. I used to have my head shaved.

Bryan Callen 53:42 So you three dickheads can hang out. (laughs)

Guest 53:43 I know. I used to have my head shaved, now I have to-

Joe Rogan 53:46 When it comes to you one day when you're 52. You're like, "Fucking here's my towel." (laughs)

Bryan Callen 53:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:51 It does.

Guest 53:51 He's got great hair though. Brendan.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Look at it. It's beautiful. But when you get to be 52, you're like, "Fuck barbers and their boring ass conversations."

Guest 53:57 Yeah, I don't think you're ever gonna lose your hair, right?

Bryan Callen 53:58 Yeah, we'll see what happens. My- my dad does. My dad has a thick, fucking silver fox.

Guest 54:02 You're good. You're good.

Joe Rogan 54:02 Beautiful.

Guest 54:02 You get older.

Joe Rogan 54:03 We'll see. An old wolf.

Guest 54:03 When you get to be in your 50s, you care about comfortable shoes. Like, you're like, "Those are more comfortable."

Joe Rogan 54:08 And who's nice to be around?

Brendan Schaub 54:09 ... who, who's nice to be around?

Joe Rogan 54:11 Yeah, who's nice to be around?

Brendan Schaub 54:12 You're fucking right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:12 Who do I enjoy? That's the, that is the number one thing in all of life, who's nice to be around. Your best times, your biggest smiles, the most excitable times are all when we're having fun. You and I, I mean, think of-

Brendan Schaub 54:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:23 ... all the fun times we've had, our whole lives. The most fun times is being around your friends, laughing.

Brendan Schaub 54:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 54:27 I was looking through some old pictures from the mid-2000s. Shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:31 Bro, it's better than anything in life.

Brendan Schaub 54:32 In Vegas.

Joe Rogan 54:33 Having fun with your friends-

Brendan Schaub 54:34 You're nuts.

Joe Rogan 54:34 ... laughing-

Brendan Schaub 54:35 It's the best, it's the best. The best.

Joe Rogan 54:36 ... getting baked, going to see movies and laughing your ass off.

Brendan Schaub 54:38 We don't have meals enough though.

Joe Rogan 54:39 No, we don't. We should have more meals together.

Brendan Schaub 54:40 And, and that's a huge tragedy.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 54:41 We should be having meals together.

Joe Rogan 54:42 You're right. 100%.

Brendan Schaub 54:43 And also having friends you can check in with. Like, I'll call-

Joe Rogan 54:45 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 54:46 I, I, every time I see him, we check in. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:47 How about, how about when I text you and I gotta talk about something serious?

Brendan Schaub 54:49 Oh, this is about- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:50 I'll just touch the water, I'll go, "Yo."

Brendan Schaub 54:53 (laughs) And I'm like this, I'm like, "Somebody needs to talk." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:57 Yeah. It's the most important thing in life is fun.

Brendan Schaub 55:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:00 All that other stuff is nonsense, man. And friends.

Brendan Schaub 55:02 That skiing video you did on Instagram the other day-

Joe Rogan 55:05 So fucking funny.

Brendan Schaub 55:05 ... that's one of the best you've ever done, ever. That skiing one was great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:08 He has a million of them, you just don't do them.

Brendan Schaub 55:10 I got so many, uh, hits from that.

Joe Rogan 55:12 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 55:12 Or that one I did with my kids with the Utah thing-

Joe Rogan 55:14 That was funny, the Utah thing.

Brendan Schaub 55:15 ... I got 2.4 million, like, I, I was like... You never know what's gonna go. I'm just- No, you stopped doing them. It's the weirdest shit. I'm gonna start doing them.

Joe Rogan 55:20 You should do way more, and they, they kill.

Brendan Schaub 55:22 I, I, I'm doing way more now.

Joe Rogan 55:23 The, my favorite ones you do when you lie in bed with an iPad on each side of your head.

Brendan Schaub 55:27 Oh my God, those are great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:28 Three arguments for yourself. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 55:29 (laughs) Those are great. Those I gotta do.

Joe Rogan 55:31 When you doing dance moves-

Brendan Schaub 55:32 How much time did those take?

Joe Rogan 55:33 It takes a while, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 55:33 It took a while, but then I would just like time it. The best one was when I was like, "Yeah, let's, let's go, let's go drink. Let's go hang. Let's bang guys." "What?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:40 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 55:40 I thought you guys said let's hang. Let's hang five. No, you said bang guy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:44 You know why he stopped doing them? You know why he stopped doing them?

Brendan Schaub 55:46 What?

Joe Rogan 55:46 He stopped doing them on the road because of your TV show.

Brendan Schaub 55:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:48 That's why.

Brendan Schaub 55:49 That's part of it.

Joe Rogan 55:49 Because you were doing them.

Brendan Schaub 55:50 You would get bored- Now I just gotta- You would get bored in a hotel room? It's just that you're trying to, when you're trying to write standup, you're trying to do other things, there's a limit to what you can... (laughs) Like, sometimes those things just h- just happen.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 56:01 The main thing is not to worry about not writing. I worry about not writing, and it fucks up my other stuff. Do you ever do that? Like, where you're like, "I gotta write. I gotta come up with stuff."

Joe Rogan 56:08 I just write like I brush my teeth.

Brendan Schaub 56:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:10 I write-

Brendan Schaub 56:11 You dedicate time.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Yeah. Dude, I come up, I have a whole thing I do now. I don't even write in my stud- my office anymore. I write all at home, and I write at night-

Brendan Schaub 56:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:19 ... when I'm high, coming home from the store.

Brendan Schaub 56:21 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 56:21 So I come home from the store, everyone's asleep, spark up a joint, pet my dog, maybe make an espresso and just sit in front of the laptop for an hour and a half, maybe two hours at the most, and that's all I need.

Brendan Schaub 56:32 What, two in the morning?

Joe Rogan 56:33 Yep.

Brendan Schaub 56:33 Then what time you get up?

Joe Rogan 56:34 Seven.

Brendan Schaub 56:35 Gangster. That's all you need, though.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Yeah, but then-

Brendan Schaub 56:37 You don't sleep much?

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... sometimes I go back to bed. No, I mean, if I, I, I w- I go, I get up to let my kids out and, and say goodbye on their, on their way to school. And then if I'm feeling good, I'll go work out. But if I'm feeling like shit, I'll go back to sleep.

Brendan Schaub 56:49 Yeah, smart.

Joe Rogan 56:49 And I'll sleep for another two hours. And then, so like, those are the days where I'll only lift or I'll do cardio or something like that.

Brendan Schaub 56:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:57 But on the other days, I'm doing yoga.

Brendan Schaub 56:58 Hey, B, he's, uh-

Joe Rogan 56:59 Or running.

Brendan Schaub 56:59 ... he eats only meat right now, you know that?

Joe Rogan 57:00 Dude, I'm on a full carnivore diet.

Brendan Schaub 57:02 What's up, bitch? Of course he is. What's up, bro? Because Joe likes to be trendy, and Joe-

Joe Rogan 57:04 No, that's not trendy.

Brendan Schaub 57:05 No, no, he's not trendy.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Dude, I've lost seven pounds.

Brendan Schaub 57:07 Joe's, Joe's like an extremist.

Joe Rogan 57:09 No, there's a bunch of people-

Brendan Schaub 57:10 That's definitely extremist.

Joe Rogan 57:11 ... he's, he's extremist, for sure.

Brendan Schaub 57:11 Definitely extremist. But I did it for an experiment publicly. Moderation's not in his middle, n- not his middle name. I knew Cal, I knew Cal would hate on it. I wanted to find out-

Joe Rogan 57:17 I wanted to... You wanna hear an Aztec death whistle?

Brendan Schaub 57:19 Sure. (Aztec death whistle blows) (laughs) Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 57:26 It sounds like death.

Brendan Schaub 57:26 (laughs) It's not very good. Dude, that sounds- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:29 (sighs)

Brendan Schaub 57:29 It sounds like you're blowing it- That's really bad.

Joe Rogan 57:30 That sounds like-

Brendan Schaub 57:30 I called him on this so bad. You ever seen this, where I just... (Aztec death whistle blows) How does he do it?

Joe Rogan 57:36 Yeah. (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 57:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:37 Whatever.

Brendan Schaub 57:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:40 Apparently, the Aztecs-

Brendan Schaub 57:41 You tried.

Joe Rogan 57:42 I did, that was only my second time doing it, whatever.

Brendan Schaub 57:42 Wait, which way does it... This way?

Joe Rogan 57:44 That way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you gotta cup it and-

Brendan Schaub 57:46 Suck on it though. (Aztec death whistle blows) Suck on it, Cal. Suck it in.

Joe Rogan 57:48 So they would, the Aztecs, when they were taunting the enemy, they would do that on the hillside, like while they were camped out and sleeping. They would keep them up all night and psychologically fuck with them. (Aztec death whistle blows)

Brendan Schaub 57:56 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 57:57 A thousand of them at a time blowing that death whistle.

Brendan Schaub 58:00 That's scary. Watch this.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Like letting them know death's coming. (Aztec death whistle blows)

Brendan Schaub 58:03 Not very smart. Dude, it sounds like someone yelling.

Joe Rogan 58:04 He is already an expert death whistler.

Brendan Schaub 58:07 Dude, it's good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:09 Oh, look at this.

Brendan Schaub 58:09 You think that was-

Joe Rogan 58:10 See this one, death whistle?

Brendan Schaub 58:11 ... you think that was some Indians?

Joe Rogan 58:11 Oh, this guy gonna do it for us? You think, though, some Indians were like, "Dude, maybe that's not a good idea. Let's sneak up on them." No, man, they, they-

Brendan Schaub 58:18 Is this guy an Aztec?

Joe Rogan 58:18 ... they would play games. They would stay on the outside edges. Especially in the old bow and arrow days, you could fuck with people 'cause they can only hit you so far away.

Brendan Schaub 58:25 Is he blowing the Aztec whistle?

Joe Rogan 58:27 Hold on. You're 100 yards... (Aztec death whistle blows)

Brendan Schaub 58:31 (laughs) Sounds like a demon. That Aztec has some titties.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Listen to that. (Aztec death whistle blows) It sounds like demons.

Brendan Schaub 58:39 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Okay, stop freaking me out.

Brendan Schaub 58:39 Dude, that is... Me too. That's scary as fuck, dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:43 Now imagine 1,000 half-naked warriors that are definitely gonna kill you and they're screaming that from the hillside.

Brendan Schaub 58:50 Hopefully they don't have titties like that guy. (Aztec death whistle blows) Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 58:56 I feel like this is bad luck.

Brendan Schaub 58:57 This got it. This is bad luck. No, no, no. We're the warriors. (Aztec death whistle blows)

Joe Rogan 59:01 Okay. Okay, you're gonna c-

Brendan Schaub 59:02 Sorry, man.

Joe Rogan 59:02 You're gonna conjure a demon. This is like a fucking-

Brendan Schaub 59:04 You're also gonna blow out your asshole. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:05 I know. (laughs) This is like one of those h- you know, uh-

Brendan Schaub 59:08 It's a bad idea.

Joe Rogan 59:09 ... Evil Dead movies.

Brendan Schaub 59:10 That was scary, man. Right?

Joe Rogan 59:12 Well, they would do that to scare the fuck out of their, their enemy.

Brendan Schaub 59:14 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Dude.

Brendan Schaub 59:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Hard times. Hard times made hard men.

Brendan Schaub 59:18 God. It's weird that I had no energy coming here, and now I get here and I have so much energy.

Joe Rogan 59:22 I know. That's what I'm saying.

Brendan Schaub 59:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:24 This is like-

Brendan Schaub 59:24 It's called bro energy. Yeah, it's bro energy.

Joe Rogan 59:26 As we get, as we get older-

Brendan Schaub 59:27 Bro vibes.