Joe Rogan Experienced #1499 - Aron Snyder

1. 0:00 – 2:41

   Kifaru shoutouts, online attention, and Aron’s low-tech beginnings

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      What's up, brother? Good to see you, man. We finally did this.

   2. ASAron Snyder0:03

      Yeah, yeah. Good to see you. I, um, I- I- I had been pestered about four million times of when you're getting on Rogan's podcast. I'm like, "Why don't you ask Rogan? I don't, I don't know." So when you finally asked, I'm like, "Woo-hoo!" I was excited. I feel like I've made it. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Well, so many people have asked me when I've worn your shirt, this, people are like, "What, what is this shirt, this RYNO shirt? What is that?"

   4. ASAron Snyder0:21

      (laughs) .

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      That's Kifaru. That's your backpack company. And, uh, because I've worn this on the podcast, people are like, "Well, when are you gonna get Schneider on?"

   6. ASAron Snyder0:28

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      "When are you gonna get Schneider on?"

   8. ASAron Snyder0:30

      Uh, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure that probably gets old. I, um, have to respect the amount of people that... How many times have you changed your phone number in the last 10 years?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:37

      Multiple.

   10. ASAron Snyder0:38

       Yeah, I bet.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Keep it moving.

   12. ASAron Snyder0:39

       Yeah. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Gotta keep it moving.

   14. ASAron Snyder0:41

       As mo- I might have to copy you, and I've got one-tenth of the following you do. I just, uh... It's hard to keep, keep up. And people, um, I'm surprised how sensitive they get when you don't respond to them, and it's like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       They get angry, yeah.

   16. ASAron Snyder0:52

       And I'm like, man... I've had guys like, "I know you're not that busy." I'm like, "Really? You really know?" (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       You don't know. (laughs)

   18. ASAron Snyder0:58

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       People get real weird with that kind of stuff when they want something. You know, it's like, you know, there's some people that'll text you, and then if you don't text them right back, they'll send you question marks, like, "Question, question."

   20. ASAron Snyder1:07

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Like, come on, man.

   22. ASAron Snyder1:08

       Yeah. It gets, uh, it's weird trying to ... n- I, little did I know where I would end up in life compared, uh, you know, where I, kind of where I started from and then now. Well, it's, it's funny, um, my, my wife, she knew me in, we met in '07. Didn't have a phone, no computer, lived in the woods, slept on a Therm-a-Rest air mattress.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       You didn't have a phone or a computer in '07?

   24. ASAron Snyder1:30

       It was bad. I, uh, you know what I think? I might've got a flip phone right around that timeframe. Um.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       (laughs)

   26. ASAron Snyder1:34

       And, uh, I was sleeping on a, and, and this is a no-bullshit story, she'll tell you. I had gotten divorced and I kind of made this, you know, do whatever. I, uh, I wanted to hunt a lot, get out in the woods a lot. So I slept on a Therm-a-Rest air mattress in my, you know, you bring chicks over, they're like, "What the fuck is this?" You know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       (laughs)

   28. ASAron Snyder1:50

       I just had this, you know, 24-inch wide backpacking air mattress, I slept on that and, uh, just saved, you know, money for whatever, hunting, getting in outdoors. And then, uh, she and I, you know, screwed around, dated for a while, and we were apart for several years, and we got back together. She's like, "Who the fuck are you?" Like, we're in Walmart, they're like, "Schneider!" And she's like, "Is that a friend of yours?" I'm like, "I have, I have no idea who that is." And sh- sh-... 'Cause she skipped all that time. And then I'm marketing and I'm wired in all the time. She's like, uh, "Are you a different person in a different body?" 'Cause I was... Not different acting, she just, you know, she, she, she knew me as the low-tech dude that just was anti-, you know, anything technology.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       So because of your podcast, like, and that's probably what it... And then Griddy Bowman before that, right?

   30. ASAron Snyder2:34

       Yeah, yeah. All, all of that stuff, forums and, you know, whatever, all that different stuff, uh, just got-
2. 2:41 – 4:25

   Why backpack hunting attracts obsessive endurance-minded people

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      Well, that world, that world of, uh, outdoor enthusiasts and backpack hunters is such a rabid world. The guys who are really into that, for people who don't understand, it's like if you combined ultra-marathon running, rucking, and hunting together.

   2. ASAron Snyder3:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      It's kind of all those things. Because it's, you know, we've talked about it on the, on the podcast before, and I know I've brought you up before, but this is, it's, um, that world is, it's the combination of athli- Like, I don't like when people call bowhunting a sport, 'cause I think it's more of a discipline. It's a weird thing to call it a sport, 'cause it's not like there's a game going on. It's, it's, you're, you're hunting an animal.

   4. ASAron Snyder3:21

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      But it's a discipline.

   6. ASAron Snyder3:22

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:23

      But it also requires athleticism and requires the kind of workout that, you know... I mean, if, if you're gonna be able to make it 15 miles into the back country with a 40-pound pack on, you have to be in insane shape. And you gotta be able to get out with an animal on your back in multiple trips. It could take you several days. Like, the amount, the, just the taxing effect that it has on the human body. So the guys that are into that shit, when they run into a guy like you that's legit, they get very rabid.

   8. ASAron Snyder3:52

      It's cra- It's crazy. And I mean, there's, the, uh, well, I would say, um, Kam kicked it off, right? He was the-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      Mm-hmm.

   10. ASAron Snyder4:00

       ... the, uh, not the, uh... You know, people get sensitive about that. Kam was not the original, but Kam was the original that everybody knew, if that makes any sense.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       And he made a book, too.

   12. ASAron Snyder4:08

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       He's got a great book.

   14. ASAron Snyder4:09

       Well, and he was the guy that, um, uh, you know, y- going back, like, he was the first one to promote backpack hunting with a platform. Like, I'm not the first stickbow guy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       Right.

   16. ASAron Snyder4:19

       I'm just the first stickbow guy with a platform. You know what I mean?

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       (coughs)

   18. ASAron Snyder4:21

       Like, I'm the, the first dude that shoots a recurve that, you know, ha- has somewhat known, where-

3. 4:25 – 8:51

   From compound mastery to traditional bow: ethics debates and a ‘spite switch’

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      For people that don't follow hunting, let me explain you. H- ... Aaron got too good at shooting with a compound bow, which is probably one of the hardest ways to hunt, so he decided to shoot with a fucking, like, a medieval bow.

   2. ASAron Snyder4:35

      Let's talk about how that got started.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      (laughs)

   4. ASAron Snyder4:38

      So, I was, uh, I was, I was you, in the fact I made fun of stickbow guys. Like, I was bad. Like, I was truly mean to them. Like, somebody'd come down, y- you know, so for people who don't understand, when you go to an outdoor range, you've got one long line and you've got targets on the far right, which is like the five-pound weights at the gym. And then on the far left, you've got the 200-pound dumbbells. That's a 100-yard bale. So I'm over at the 100-yard bale shooting a Reinhart 18In1 100, 120, and I would have stickbow guys come down to me and tell me I'm unethical for shooting that distance. And I would be like, "You can't hit the bale down there at 10 yards. You're at the, the chump side. What are you giving, you know, me shit for?" And it, it got to where-

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      They would tell you you're unethical for shooting at a target?

   6. ASAron Snyder5:21

      Yeah, 'cause-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Like, are you practicing at that range? Like, what were they...

   8. ASAron Snyder5:25

      It was weird. It was weird. And it...

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:27

      Why is that, that people want to do that? They want to tell you you're, what you're doing is wrong?

   10. ASAron Snyder5:30

       Uh, I don't... Human nature, I guess. And-

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Yeah.

   12. ASAron Snyder5:33

       ... I ended up doing a podcast, talked about, um, you know, God forbid you break down, mathematically, right, you, you can break down the speed of an arrow and the accuracy. And you take a guy, you know, shooting whatever, 290 feet per second. How long does it take his arrow to get to 80 yards? How long does it take a good arrow to get from, you know, 170 feet per second to 35 yards? So I kind of evened all that up and said, "Well, here's apples to apples, oranges to oranges. This is it." Fuck, I got hate mail. I mean, "You're a horrible hunter. You're using your ability instead of hunting skills, you know, to shoot and..."So I f- was like, "Fuck it." I sold everything I had, every compound, every sight, every arrow. I didn't want that temptation and I'm like, "I'm gonna shoot it up. We'll see," right? "Uh, we'll see how good I can get." 'Cause I'd never shot a stick bow. Ever.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       So you, just because of people's reaction to you, you decided to go to a recurve bow?

   14. ASAron Snyder6:23

       Yeah, 100%.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Which is... For, for people who don't understand the difference, so this can be-

   16. ASAron Snyder6:28

       (inhales deeply)

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       ... uh, absorbed by people who don't hunt. The difference is when you have a compound bow, you have a sight on a compound bow that will allow you to scroll out. You could roll out to like... So my sight is set at 30 yards, that's where it's normally set at, but you can go all the way to 120 yards and what it does is it r- it raises your pin so it changes where the pin goes up and down-

   18. ASAron Snyder6:49

       (snaps fingers)

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       ... and the pin is how you aim. So you can get really accurate. See, if you're a guy like Cam Hanes, I mean, he c- he shoots at 100 yards all the time and, you know, he can get into a small group at 100 yards. John Dudley, the same thing. It's very accurate. Whereas, with a recurve bow, there's no sight. You're doing it with the point of your arrow and you're, uh, you have to practice much more and it's like throwing a rock. Like you get a f- like if you throw rocks all the time, you kinda get a feel of where you can throw that rock.

   20. ASAron Snyder7:22

       Yeah. Throwing that rock was a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be, let me tell you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       (laughs)

   22. ASAron Snyder7:25

       Um, (laughs) so I'm very, uh, goal-oriented and I, I, I had a, had a, had a problem, which is much... I don't, I'm not very good at losing and I'm not saying I'm a spoiled loser. I'm psychotic when I lose at something. Like my wife will tell you, I'll go to a tournament, the first thing I do when I get home, I'm having her film me breaking down things. So I thought, "Well, we're gonna see if I can... if these people are right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna do nothing but trad." And so-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Trad meaning traditional bow.

   24. ASAron Snyder7:50

       Traditional archery. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Yeah.

   26. ASAron Snyder7:52

       And, uh, so I, I'm lucky enough... You fol- uh, Tom Klem, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       Mm-hmm.

   28. ASAron Snyder7:56

       He's like the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Yeah.

   30. ASAron Snyder7:57

       ... Yoda of-
4. 8:51 – 15:59

   First traditional hunts and the addiction to getting extremely close

   1. ASAron Snyder8:51

      And so I got what I thought was good pretty fast, which 40 yards with a stick bow is far. Um, but I d- hadn't hunted yet, you know? And so then I, I go out and I, I don't know if you remember, I shot that black bear.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:04

      Mm-hmm.

   3. ASAron Snyder9:04

      And, uh, you know, I'm within 40 yards of it for 20 minutes and in my mind I'm just, "You're gonna... He, you would be so dead if I had my compound." I just couldn't get a shot and I finally squeaked it in, missed it at like 18 yards and I'm like, "Jesus Christ, now you're gonna talk..." (laughs) So luckily, and Tom had told me this, he said, "You're gonna get two or three shots at an animal. They don't, they don't hear the bow."

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:26

      Mm-hmm.

   5. ASAron Snyder9:26

      And they don't. Landed by its feet, it kind of looked around and I'm like, "Oh, I'm not gonna miss you again." Just got it on the second shot and, uh, I'm like, "Ah, this isn't... You know, I can, I can, I can get this figured out."

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:37

      Did you have any qualms about hunting with it? Like how long did it take before you felt ethical enough to hunt with it?

   7. ASAron Snyder9:43

      Well, I hunted with it three months. But it's just not-

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      Did you feel, did you feel like that was a smart move or do you feel like you rushed it?

   9. ASAron Snyder9:51

      Well, let me... I was psychotic shooting 10 hours a day. Like I was shooting constantly. So if... And r- I think I was fine 'cause I had the coaching, I had the help and I had the accuracy. I could hit. I mean, I was doing well, uh. To what I had to compare to around me, I was like, "Okay, this is good." So I didn't feel like I went into it unethical, like I couldn't hit what I was aiming at, but I didn't have experience. And I mean, you, you look at knowledge and wisdom, right? Knowledge, you're reading about it. Wisdom, you're experiencing it. Well, I thought what I knew from shooting a compound, my hunting skills would be enough. And they were. I ended up shooting, I don't know, 11, 12 animals that year. But fuck, man. It was like every time I went out, I was learning something new and I had to totally change my hunting style.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       When you think about it from a perspective of someone who's a non-hunter, they, they question why you would wanna shoot a bow and arrow in the first place, because they think that that would be less ethical than using a rifle. Like if you wanted to shoot something, you should use a rifle. You could kill it quicker. It's better. To go from that to a compound bow, it's like, "Why are you doing that?" You know? And then they realize like, oh, you can actually be very accurate with a compound bow if you have practice.

   11. ASAron Snyder11:01

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       And if you learn how to do it correctly and you're disciplined. But to take it another level and to go to a recurve, like, that's, that's where it gets to, in some people's minds, like, are you hunting for food? Are you hunting, uh, d- for your ego? Like, what are you doing? Like, why are you doing it with a recurve bow? And I think one of the best answers is, uh, I've ever heard from anybody is that they said, "It is much more difficult, but also much more rewarding and when you're eating that animal, you have this insane sense of accomplishment that's actually another level past even with a compound bow." Does that make sense?

   13. ASAron Snyder11:35

       Yeah, and you've explained it better there than I could and I'm gonna give it a whirl. So I went from your side of things, making fun of everyone, to being addicted to getting close. So now my... That first year I shot a mule deer at four feet in the cliffs. When I drew my bow back, my arrow was between its horns when I drew up. Frank took photos of it and it-

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Oh, that's so crazy.

   15. ASAron Snyder11:53

       And it... But it was one of those things where now the, the, the reward from it, like yeah, that, that feeling you have when you get it done is-... a ton, I mean-

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:02

       Because it's much more difficult.

   17. ASAron Snyder12:04

       Much mor- Yeah, much more difficult.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       It makes you- It makes you think about, like, what it must've been like to be the Native Americans -

   19. ASAron Snyder12:09

       They would've, like... He's fucking hungry is what it was like, I bet.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       Yeah.

   21. ASAron Snyder12:11

       I mean, it- it... I have technology on my side, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       Right.

   23. ASAron Snyder12:15

       And I- I have a lot-

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       Rangefinders, everything.

   25. ASAron Snyder12:16

       Yeah, binoculars, clothing, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       Yeah.

   27. ASAron Snyder12:18

       You got everything. And so, that- that year, though, when we were going in, um, on a lot of these animals, I was able to get, um, a couple turkeys and a cou- a black bear, and I shot a mule deer.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:28

       (laughs)

   29. ASAron Snyder12:28

       And that mule deer, like I said, when I was in those cliffs, my arrow was between its antlers when I drew back, so I shot it at three feet. And Frank-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:36

       That's crazy.
5. 15:59 – 18:32

   Perspective shift: luck, subsistence life, and Native American history

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      How often do you think about, like... I mean, I- I find myself thinking about that all the time, like, I'm real lucky that I can buy food in a store because this- this is not... Even with a regular compound bow with, uh, with great binoculars and, you know, using a rangefinder and all that jazz, it's not guaranteed that you're gonna eat.

   2. ASAron Snyder16:20

      No, it's not.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      Do you- do you think about that when you're hunting? Like, what-

   4. ASAron Snyder16:23

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:23

      This is... This... It must've been insane to be one of the, you know, the American Indians on the plains.

   6. ASAron Snyder16:30

      Well, I- I... Well, you- you had Jordan on as well, um-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:33

      Mm-hmm.

   8. ASAron Snyder16:33

      You know, whatever, the Alone guy, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:35

      Yes.

   10. ASAron Snyder16:35

       Like, that dude had a- a advantage.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       He was awesome.

   12. ASAron Snyder16:38

       I wouldn't want to go against him. I mean, that dude is born to live on nothing, right? So, I always stood- put things into perspective and he brought it up too, was, when things are down, right? When you're mentally or whatever drained and you- you think about it, it's like, "All right, I chose to put myself out here." You know, all the people before me, they had to hack it out with... They didn't have-

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Yeah.

   14. ASAron Snyder17:00

       ... you know, any great... They didn't have Sitka gear, they didn't have binos, they didn't have this, they didn't have that. And so, it helps motivate me for one, but I'm like... As weird as it sounds, I think of that a lot when I'm getting my ass kicked, basically. Just like, if I had to live off this thing, I would have to put in that extra effort.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Not only that, they had to make their own bows?

   16. ASAron Snyder17:18

       (laughs) Yeah. I'm not to that level.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       I mean, that life... I mean, I- I got on this, uh, real long kick of, uh, Native American books. There's a- a guy named S.C. Gwen..., and he wrote this book called, um, Empire of the Summer Moon.

   18. ASAron Snyder17:33

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       And it's all about the Comanches. And, you know, a lot of it talks about their lifestyle and talks about the hardships that they had to go through.

   20. ASAron Snyder17:40

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:41

       And, you know, mostly bow and arrow ha- bow and arrow hunting for deer and buffalo and... It's just that that life must've been insane. But then it also- it also talks about one of the main characters is this woman, uh, Cynthia Ann Parker, who was abducted when she was, uh, nine years old. And then, uh, they recaptured her, the Americans recaptured her when she was in her 30s, and she wanted to go back.

   22. ASAron Snyder18:03

       Back, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       She didn't want to live-... in, in like, in a town and live in a house and she fucking hated it.

   24. ASAron Snyder18:10

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       It's like that life of, even though it's so difficult, that subsistence hunting life, it's, it's so insanely connected. You're so insanely connected to the, to the forest and to the woods, to the animals, to the, just to the earth itself.

   26. ASAron Snyder18:24

       You, you are. And, and it, I think, uh, on me, it just, c- y- I spent 150, 200 nights a year in the wilderness for the last-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       Yeah.

   28. ASAron Snyder18:32

       ... you know, bu-

6. 18:32 – 22:23

   Kifaru’s backcountry DNA and Aron’s Oregon logging-town upbringing

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:32

      You probably do more than anybody that I know. That's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this. And because your, you know, your company, um, Kifaru, which makes, you know, some of the... There's some great backpack companies ou- out there that make like amazing gear, but you guys make... I mean, there's no arguing, it's top of the food chain, shit. And one of the reasons why your company makes such good backpacks is 'cause of your experience in the woods. I mean, you fucking live out there.

   2. ASAron Snyder18:56

      Well, it's, it's weird. So when I started, uh, Patrick, the, the owner, um, he... Sa- same way, right? S- I mean, he's 80 now, or however old, you know, 79, 80. He was the same way as I was. So when I, when I, uh, started there, whatever, a decade ago, he was, um, I wouldn't say enamored, he was happy to see a younger guy that could not get out of the woods. And so what was crazy, where most people end up getting stuck in an office, if he came in the office and I was in there and disgruntled, he'd be like, "What are you doing? Go get your shit and get in the woods." And he-

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:29

      He would want you-

   4. ASAron Snyder19:30

      Oh, there's no want.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      ... well, that's a great boss.

   6. ASAron Snyder19:31

      He would make me. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:32

      (laughs)

   8. ASAron Snyder19:32

      Ser- I'd be like, "Patrick, man, we got a lot of stuff going on." He's like ... and he, he always has glasses, right? He looks over the top and he's like, "Son, it can wait." And I'm like, "Okay."

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:42

      That's amazing.

   10. ASAron Snyder19:42

       So what he wanted was a guy ... And, and he qui- you know, there was a, a, there was a long trial period to find his successor, right? There was a lot of questioning. We'd, we'd backpack in and he'd be like, "Hey, why don't you catch some fish, shoot a couple rabbits and, uh, few squirrels for dinner?" Like, "All right, cool." And I'd do it, bring them back. And he'd be like, "You wanna clean them?" I'm like, "Yeah." I mean, o- of course I'm like, I didn't know he was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       So he was testing you.

   12. ASAron Snyder20:05

       Yeah. I, I didn't realize it. And I'm like, "Yeah." And then at one point in time he told me, he's like, "You have passed the test." And I'm like, "I've been doing this shit since birth, Patrick." And he's like, "Everyone says that." Very people have. And my, my, my background, my hometown's only 200 people, right? I'm in a logging community in Oregon, it's right off the Pacific Crest Trail. I mean, that's all we did. I was on a trail crew team clearing off wilderness trails with a fucking crosscut saw and a hatchet at 14 years old. That's what I did in the summers for money. So-

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       That's crazy.

   14. ASAron Snyder20:35

       ... different lifestyle, right? I mean, my daughter, and I love my daughter to death, and she'd be like, "Dad, did you have a job when you were my age?" I'm like, "I was running a fucking 72 inch bar still chainsaw, honey. Yeah. I, I had a job, you know." And she, she's ... I've been able to pass a lot of those things onto her, but it's a different lifestyle. When I was in high school, you could have guns in your truck, you'd take them into the principal's office, he'd keep them in his office, and then when you got out, you'd go deer hunting. When you, you know... And I'm not that much, uh, younger than you, but a little bit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       I've heard those days.

   16. ASAron Snyder21:02

       Those days are gone. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       I've heard of those days. (laughs)

   18. ASAron Snyder21:05

       So, you know, it was something. You know, skipping school, we'd skip school to hunt. Um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Yeah. Well, they, you'd take off opening day.

   20. ASAron Snyder21:11

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:11

       It was like a national holiday almost.

   22. ASAron Snyder21:12

       It was a big deal. And so, you know, we didn't have any money. I was just s- poor as a kid, so we picked mushrooms. Uh, chanterelles, kamikazes, morels, that's what I did for school clothes. Split firewood. It was a different lifestyle. And so as I've gotten older, you know, all of those things that I learned have carried on to where now I'm pretty b- I'm can sustain myself for, on just about any hunt.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       What part of Oregon were you in?

   24. ASAron Snyder21:36

       Detroit.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       And is that, w- is that Roosevelt elk country?

   26. ASAron Snyder21:39

       So it's east of I-25, so they're hybrids. Um, I was-

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       So it's Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt hybrid?

   28. ASAron Snyder21:45

       Yeah, yeah. And it, so it's ... Cam and I are right beside ... Wait a minute, we're super close from where I'm from.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       Oh, really?

   30. ASAron Snyder21:49

       He's 45 minutes away.
7. 22:23 – 30:22

   Poverty, discipline, parenting, and what shapes ambition

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:23

      Yeah, that feeling when you're poor and you're young, that's irreplaceable, you know?

   2. ASAron Snyder22:28

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:28

      I still think about when I was young, like not knowing if we were gonna have enough food.

   4. ASAron Snyder22:33

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:34

      Every ... I, I think about that.

   6. ASAron Snyder22:35

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:35

      And we were on welfare when I was like seven years old. And I think about those days 'cause I remember being nervous that I, that we wouldn't have enough food or people being mad at me that I ate too much.

   8. ASAron Snyder22:45

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:45

      Like, I've never been mad at my kids if they ate too much.

   10. ASAron Snyder22:47

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:48

       But I, I remember that, uh, that I would get ... People would get upset at me if I ate too much. And I remember thinking, "Man, we might not have enough food." And there's like a, there's something that gets instilled in you when you're poor, when you're young, there's a, like a, a nervousness or a drive that I don't think you can replace in a kid that grows up affluent. I just don't think it's possible.

   12. ASAron Snyder23:11

       I, I would agree, and I mean, you, you, you've been around all walks of life like I have myself, and the one thing I wouldn't take back is, um ... You know, now there'll be, you know ... Of course you get successful and people are like, "Oh, you know, he's got money, he's got this." And it's like ... I remember my dad, he worked for the highway department and he was a sole provider for the family of four, making like 1400 bucks a month. And I had a, a sister and, um ... You know, my, both my parents smoked, my dad drank a lot of beer, so whatever that 1400 went to, it was a lot less than that after those vices, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:41

       Mm-hmm.

   14. ASAron Snyder23:41

       And so when I needed something, you had to work for it. I remember, um, working my ass off to get a pair of Converse, um, which was a huge deal. They were like 50 bucks or something. Where now, you know, my daughter, she works hard, so I try to instill some of those things on her, but I also probably spoil her too much because I, I'm like, "I do not want you to suffer or struggle like I did."

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       I know. Isn't that funny?

   16. ASAron Snyder23:59

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       It's like what ma- what makes people interesting ... I always say this about my friends, like all my friends that are interesting grew up fucked up. All of them.

   18. ASAron Snyder24:07

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:07

       All of them grew up in like crazy households and fucked up and, and now they're just like me, they all have like really loving parents, they love being a father.

   20. ASAron Snyder24:16

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:16

       And, uh, and I'm like, "God, we're, we're giving these kids a life that is gonna ensure they're never gonna be interesting." (laughs)

   22. ASAron Snyder24:23

       Yeah, that's no shit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:24

       (laughs)

   24. ASAron Snyder24:24

       I will say, um, thank God for my daughter because, um, I, I-... whatever, she was five when we got divorced. And on my side of things, you've got backpack hunters and powerlifters, photographers, you know, team... you know, like, uh, tier one group guys. And Kaylee's like, all walks of life. She speaks two and a half languages, working on a third she's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:42

       Two and a half?

   26. ASAron Snyder24:43

       Uh, she's not fluent in three, so-

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       Oh, okay. (laughs)

   28. ASAron Snyder24:45

       ... I say two and a half, right? I don't wanna say she's fluent in three, but-

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:48

       I get it.

   30. ASAron Snyder24:48

       She's, and she's shockingly Caucasian, and she speaks fluent, fluent Spanish. Like, literally, she's from Mexico. And so that kid is super-
8. 30:22 – 33:44

   Copenhagen, Zyn, archery gambling, and Luke Cardillo stories

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Did you just bust out your Copenhagen?

   2. ASAron Snyder30:24

      I did. Am I cool to chew on here?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      Yeah, yeah, go ahead, man.

   4. ASAron Snyder30:26

      All right, good. I have-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      Do you need a bottle to spit it into?

   6. ASAron Snyder30:28

      I've, I, I got this here. We're good.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:30

      (coughs)

   8. ASAron Snyder30:30

      The, um...

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:31

      How often do you have to chew that shit?

   10. ASAron Snyder30:33

       It's funny you mention that about can in a half a day. Um, but-

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Cowboy gave me some once and I swallowed it.

   12. ASAron Snyder30:39

       Oh. Did you, did you puke like Luke?

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       No, I didn't.

   14. ASAron Snyder30:41

       Every time Luke borrows a dip? Oh, you, you manned up?

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       I didn't p- it didn't even make me sick.

   16. ASAron Snyder30:45

       Luke puked all over yesterday and he just-

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       (laughs)

   18. ASAron Snyder30:48

       ... right in the... The film crews are everywhere for the tournament and Luke is just yakking, like, uncontrollably. I'm like, "Oh, good God. Somebody get a camera on him." Jamie thinks it's funny.

   19. GVGuest (secondary voice)30:58

       I didn't even know you swallowed it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       (laughs)

   21. GVGuest (secondary voice)31:00

       Which is like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       That I didn't know I swallowed it?

   23. GVGuest (secondary voice)31:01

       It's unbelievable to know that... Like, that's so disgusting. That's why I asked if you puked right away. Like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Yeah. No, I didn't puke.

   25. GVGuest (secondary voice)31:07

       Oh, okay.

   26. ASAron Snyder31:08

       That's pretty solid. It's weird. I drank for the first time with Luke not too long ago. I haven't drank in a couple decades and, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       Oh, really? What made you, uh, have a drink?

   28. ASAron Snyder31:16

       I told him I would. (laughs) He said, "I want you to get you fucked up on my podcast." Li- li- I was his first guest. Um, and, uh... So, you know, you've known Luke for- forever. He... I mean, I don't know if you... How long have you known Luke? A decade or so?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Um, quite a... We should say who he is. Luke Cardillo, he, uh, is involved in MMA. He's been involved in MMA forever. Used to be a fighter.

   30. ASAron Snyder31:38

       Yeah.
9. 33:44 – 34:52

   Back to the stage during COVID: shutdowns, masks, and second-order damage

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:44

      If people hear me coughing, it's not the COVID, folks. I did, uh, standup this weekend for the first time in, uh, three months in Houston. Shout out to Houston. And, uh, my voice is shot from screaming. The... I'm, I'm might... I, I didn't realize it, but your, your voice gets in shape.

   2. ASAron Snyder33:59

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:00

      You know? And, uh, my voice is way out of shape. After the first show-

   4. ASAron Snyder34:04

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:04

      ... my voice was like a little horse.

   6. ASAron Snyder34:05

      Did you pack the house?

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:07

      Yeah. Well, it's supposed to be at 75% capacity. I think that's what they, they were, they were saying it was. So it was, it was packed though. It was, it was a lot of fun, man. It was weird. It was, uh, very weird to be back on stage again. A lot of fun though. But LA's bad right now. They just, The Comedy Store just furloughed all of its employees. They were hoping to reopen and they had opened as a bar. So they had outside patio seating and they had it all set up nice, social distance and everything. And then the governor just came down with another order to shut all the bars down. And now The Comedy Store has no money coming in, so they're fucked. And then it looks like it's not gonna, they're not gonna open up anytime soon. They were hoping to open the comedy club back up in August or July. You know, that was the hope. And it looks like that's not happening now, so we're fucked.

10. 34:52 – 45:53

    COVID risk factors and the missing public-health message: fitness and nutrition

    1. ASAron Snyder34:52

       That sucks. But-

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:53

       It does suck, 'cause in Texas they had it down. You wear a mask. People wore a mask in the audience. Everybody had masks, like, getting into the building. All the servers had masks. You know, they check temperatures in places. They, they know how to c- keep people safe. You gotta give people the opportunity to make their own decisions.

    3. ASAron Snyder35:12

       That's my thing. You know, if you wanna wear a mask or stay home, that's your prerogative, prerogative, but... You know, I'm not... Of course, you know, I'm young and healthy, so I'm... You know, whatever.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:21

       Right.

    5. ASAron Snyder35:21

       I'm not worried about it, but you lock people in, I mean, I don't see anything good coming, coming out of that. And I-

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:26

       No, it's not. It's not good for the economy. It's not good for the people. It's not good for their, their sense of, like, how they fit into the world.

    7. ASAron Snyder35:34

       Well, and I'm, I'm kind of with you. I'm all for fat shaming, or I'd be fatter than I am now if it wasn't for fat shaming. Your... The health... I mean, you think about it and you think about how unhealthy people are getting just sitting at home.

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:44

       Yeah.

    9. ASAron Snyder35:44

       It's not good.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:45

        70% of the, the United States is overweight.

    11. ASAron Snyder35:48

        Mm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:48

        That's insane. I mean, that really is insane, and that's a real problem with COVID. They say that, uh, one of the major factors in COVID is obesity.

    13. ASAron Snyder35:55

        Obesity.

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:55

        It's a huge factor.

    15. ASAron Snyder35:57

        Yeah, which is Amer- ... You know, in general or whatever, it's pretty... I get a kick out of, um, how, uh, we're pretty soft, you know, as, as, as Americans.

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:07

        Mm-hmm.

    17. ASAron Snyder36:07

        I mean, es- especially if you're in Third World countries and, and you look at... Like, people are happy they don't have to go to work. And I'm like-

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:14

        I know.

    19. ASAron Snyder36:14

        ... Good God, like, I would go crazy.

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:15

        A lot of people are actually making more money from unemployment-

    21. ASAron Snyder36:19

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:19

        ... than they would be if they went back to work, especially, like, waiters and stuff like that, because y- you're dealing with a much smaller amount of people in the, in the, in the restaurants and businesses, because they're... Even in, like, uh, Texas, even though the restaurants were open, I think... I think they were at 75% capacity and then they just rolled it back to 50%. So if you're working...... as a wait- or a waitress, you know, you're, you're gonna make less money. So for some folks, it's actually better for them to say, "Oh, I don't want to do it. I'm just g- I'm just keep collecting unemployment." And you actually make more money that way. I've talked to a bunch of people that have said that, that they make more money off unemployment.

    23. ASAron Snyder36:56

        Well, we, we, um... Yeah, at Kefaru, we just kept every- we just kept paying everybody.

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:00

        Mm-hmm.

    25. ASAron Snyder37:01

        Um, you know, we, we took a- four months off, I guess, just paid everyone, whatever. Um, and we... You know, when I was looking at, like, how that worked and I was like, "Good God," once I started reading about the, um... You're talking about the unemployment?

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:14

        Mm-hmm.

    27. ASAron Snyder37:15

        I'm like, "Jesus, there's gonna be a lot of people that don't go back to work." And it's same thing in Colorado.

    28. JRJoe Rogan37:19

        Yeah.

    29. ASAron Snyder37:19

        But, but it is what it is.

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:20

        It's, it's sad, man. It's really sad, because there's a lot of people that are losing their businesses through no fault of their own. They didn't do anything wrong, they work hard, they're, they're disciplined, they show up every day, they put together a business, and now it's folding, it's going under. And, um, it might be happening to the Comedy Store. I mean, they don't, they don't know what they're gonna do. And I heard the Laugh Factory is about to go under as well. So the state of comedy in California is, uh, in a real bad, real bad place right now. Real bad.
11. 45:53 – 53:46

    Migraines, concussions, TRT, and learning to manage brain/anger loops

    1. ASAron Snyder45:53

       No, I just know that I, 'cause I get m-... As I said that, when I got on TRT I get a migraine once every three months, I was getting 'em once a week. So-

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       Really?

    3. ASAron Snyder46:02

       ... whatever TRT did, which I have to thank you for that, right? That's... We'll talk about that in a minute, but-

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       Okay.

    5. ASAron Snyder46:10

       ... I, I learned really quick seeing neuropsychologists and brain doctors, they don't know a fucking thing about the human brain. They're like, "Here, take some more pills."

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       They don't? (laughs)

    7. ASAron Snyder46:17

       No. And so I literally-

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       They, they don't, we're in real trouble.

    9. ASAron Snyder46:20

       Well, they're giving me these Band-Aids, and I'm like, "Look, I don't want something that fixes it after I got it. I don't wanna fucking get 'em, right?"

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:27

        Right.

    11. ASAron Snyder46:27

        Like, you know, this thing could probably take m- make my asshole turn around and start talking back to me, the fucking negatives to this pill I'm taking for my, my migraines are so bad, right? My-

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:35

        And do you... Was it one of those pills, there's some pills that you take once a week.

    13. ASAron Snyder46:39

        I just take it when I get one.

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:40

        Okay.

    15. ASAron Snyder46:40

        So I have ocular migraines.

    16. JRJoe Rogan46:41

        Ocular?

    17. ASAron Snyder46:41

        Like I couldn't, I couldn't tell you two apart when I get 'em, I get blurry vision.

    18. JRJoe Rogan46:45

        Oh, wow.

    19. ASAron Snyder46:46

        Um, an hour before I get the migraine. So I take that pill as soon as I get blurry vision. Now my head itches and I'm all kinds of goofy, there's some kind of anti-anxiety or depressant in that thing, a bunch of other shit, I don't know, but it, I don't get a migraine. But those pills cannot be good for you. I wanted to get to a point, is it my diet, right? Is this what's giving me the migraine? Is it caffeine? You know, 'cause there was a time I didn't take any caffeine. So I map out everything and I kept a log of when I got migraines. And so once I got... That's why I know exactly-

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:17

        Describe what it feels like. I've never had a migraine. What does it feel like?

    21. ASAron Snyder47:20

        Jamie pounding a fucking nail through my eye socket.

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:23

        Just, so just intense pain?

    23. ASAron Snyder47:25

        I got 'em so bad-

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:26

        And when did you first start-

    25. ASAron Snyder47:26

        ... I had to get a spinal, uh, epidural for, to, because I was, uh, heaving up blood 'cause, um, I was convulsing basically.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:34

        What?

    27. ASAron Snyder47:35

        I'm not the only one.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:36

        From migraines?

    29. ASAron Snyder47:36

        Yeah, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:37

        Holy shit.
12. 53:46 – 1:00:22

    ‘Adulting’ failures, taxes, and the weird incentives of credit scores

    1. ASAron Snyder53:46

       Um, (burps) I'm like the worst adulter known to man. It's bad. And so she ... They gave me the X-ray and they're like, "You have double lung pneumonia." And I'm like-

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:53

       Adulting is hard.

    3. ASAron Snyder53:55

       It is. You know, people give me ... You know, give ... Uh, "You suck at anything." Some good at photography, shooting. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm, I'm fucking horrible at adulting." I didn't file my taxes for four years.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:03

       Oh, no.

    5. ASAron Snyder54:03

       I've got a lot of downfalls. Oh, it's all taken care of now. (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:07

       Oh. (laughs)

    7. ASAron Snyder54:07

       It's ... When I have people at work that come up with an issue and they're kind of embarrassed, I'm like, "Look, there is nothing you have fucked up that I haven't."

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:14

       (laughs)

    9. ASAron Snyder54:14

       Do not be embarrassed. I can help you. Um, 'cause I, I focus on so many other things, things like that just get pushed to the wayside.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:21

        Do you find that because of all the time you spend in the woods that it's kind of difficult to concentrate on all that silly shit?

    11. ASAron Snyder54:27

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:27

        Because it's ... When you're out in that primal environment, you know, like, there's something about it that makes all that other stuff seem meaningless. You don't wanna focus on it.

    13. ASAron Snyder54:37

        Horr- And it ... Yeah, 'cause we live-

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:39

        Yeah.

    15. ASAron Snyder54:39

        ... in a society where it's important and I'm not good at it. It's horrible. I talk about it all the time at work. I mean, I hire people really smart around me 'cause I'm just not ... You know, I ... We could be sitting there in a meeting, I shouldn't even say this out loud, which is an extremely important meeting. And I'm sitting here and thinking what my gear list is and how much my caloric intake will be on a five-day backpack hunt. And all I-

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:57

        (laughs) It's just, it's like normal though if you're spending 50% of your time literally sleeping-

    17. ASAron Snyder55:01

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:01

        ... under the stars.

    19. ASAron Snyder55:02

        Well, it's funny 'cause we'll get done with the meeting, I'm like, "All right, who took notes?" (laughs) 'Cause I-

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:08

        (laughs)

    21. ASAron Snyder55:08

        'Cause I ... But I-I am now have gotten better at just telling people ahead of time, like, "Hey, um, you're gonna talk with me, we're gonna do our initial bullshit session. You're not gonna wanna deal with me after this, 'cause I'm gonna let you down. I'm too busy, you're gonna deal with Frank or, or Dane, or Anders, or whoever that works for me. You're gonna deal with them. Don't expect me to come through, 'cause I- my mind's on too much other stuff." And I've had to get a lot better at that because I just don't function well on stuff like that. And, and admittedly so.

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:33

        Yeah, but I think that the, one of the reasons why the company's so good and you guys make such good backpacks is because there's, there's real, like, it's hard to put it down in the real world, you know, it's not like accounting or bookkeeping and, like, where, you know, "Oh, we have to do the work here." But doing the work of actually sleeping under the stars, actually camping, actually hunting and hiking, that's, there's, that's invaluable, man.

    23. ASAron Snyder55:58

        There's been a few heated arguments over that where they've given me crap about paperwork and I'm like, "Oh, you know, totally, I get it." I'm gonna get bad at paperwork, but your ass is coming with me on a 10-day backpack hunt and you're not fucking slacking, and you're getting water, and you're building fires, and you're spotting animals. And when we get done with that, if you're as good at that as I am, then I'm gonna get better at paperwork. But until that fucking day right now, what we're good at is making badass gear for the back country. That's why I hired you, not, not-

    24. JRJoe Rogan56:28

        Yeah, it's gotta work together, right?

    25. ASAron Snyder56:29

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:29

        Like, you've gotta be able to do that and they've gotta be able to do the shit that you can't do.

    27. ASAron Snyder56:33

        Yeah. And we're g- we have a tight-knit group now, which is great. Like, we have, everybody knows their role and we're all supportive of each other and, but there's times where I gotta kinda stop and really take a, like, gut check where I'm like, "Man, I have so- solely focused my life on living and not dying." Like, like, hunting and, and staying alive to where, thank God for my wife, right? I mean, she's a, an angel because, like, she's, we're getting ready to buy a house, right? And so we... I, I shouldn't even mention this on here. So we go to get credit, right? Credit, like, uh, cr- check my credit score. When would you say is the last time I had credit?

    28. JRJoe Rogan57:08

        I don't know. When was the last time you had credit?

    29. ASAron Snyder57:10

        What would you take a guess of a normal human?

    30. JRJoe Rogan57:12

        Uh, four years ago?
13. 1:00:22 – 1:06:11

    When the world gets weird: survival questions, gear realities, and solitude

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       How many people contacted you to talk to you about hunting though once shit started getting weird?

    2. ASAron Snyder1:00:28

       An awkward level. And not just hunting, sustainment 'cause-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       Yeah.

    4. ASAron Snyder1:00:32

       Can I, uh, I'm not trying to name drop, but Bar-Cloe.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Yeah, John Bar-Cloe.

    6. ASAron Snyder1:00:35

       So John, John Bar-Cloe works with Sitka Gear and he and I are, uh, if he wasn't my brother, you would've never known. Same mentality, same thought process, same ideas on gear, and he's-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       I love that guy. He's great.

    8. ASAron Snyder1:00:45

       (laughs) We just did a podcast, he's like, "Are you sure this isn't gonna piss anybody off?" I'm like, "Fuck it, they need to hear it." Right? And so-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       What were you pissing people off with?

    10. ASAron Snyder1:00:53

        The reality of how life works living in the woods and the people that fake it basically.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

        Hm.

    12. ASAron Snyder1:00:57

        Like, you know how many people, you know, who stay out there three days and all of a sudden they're experts, right?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

        Yeah.

    14. ASAron Snyder1:01:02

        The reality of-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

        Take a lot of photos.

    16. ASAron Snyder1:01:03

        Yeah, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

        (laughs)

    18. ASAron Snyder1:01:04

        The, the reality of living, being able to survive and be happy, um, and then what you read and everything else, basically just, you know, talking about that. So with the...... if, okay, so everybody grabbed toilet paper, right? In third world countries, you wipe your ass with your hand. You don't worry about toilet paper. So toilet paper's gone. Wet wipes are gone. You go to the grocery store, everything that lasts forever is still there. Like, you get pasta, Top Ramen, simple stuff. It's all on the shelves. But all these things that Americans have to have ... I'm not saying I wanna wipe my ass with my hand by any means, but you don't need toilet paper to survive, right? You need clean water, right? And you need food. Um, you ... body will last quite some time, three or four weeks without food. With water it's a couple of days. And so I'm looking at all these things leaving and I have all my ... I'm not like a prepper by any means, but we, we've got prepped a house and I was, you know ... So then this came storytime for my wife where I'm explaining to her what would happen if everything kind of shit hits the fan and what's gonna happen. And Americans are so weird with the way that we think. And so I had tons of people from what kind of gun, what kind of survival stuff, firestarter, what kind of stove. So, you know, isobutane stoves, the canister stoves, that's the in thing. Everybody uses those. But a multi-fuel stove, when the world come, when the world ends, the zombies are coming, a multi-fuel stove burns kerosene, diesel, gas, white gas, burns everything. No one uses those anymore. They're a little bit heavier. But things like that, that multi-fuel stove, everyone should have one of those 'cause you can ... no matter where you go, you're gonna have some type of fuel to burn in that thing. So we, we talked a lot about that on the podcast. That was a lot of the questions I got, was, you know, sustainment basically.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

        Mm-hmm.

    20. ASAron Snyder1:02:46

        So, I mean, it's a weird world we live in, but I live, I definitely live probably in a weirder one in some ways.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:51

        Yeah, I mean, everybody wanted to know how to get a gun. Everybody wanted to know how hard is it to go hunting for the first time. Tho- those are the questions that I got a lot. Like, how do you get a gun was a, a big one and there was lines outside the LA gun stores. It was really crazy to see.

    22. ASAron Snyder1:03:06

        Well, my wife was worried about 'em. I'm like, "Honey, don't worry. I'm gonna take theirs." Like, don't worry. (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:10

        (laughs)

    24. ASAron Snyder1:03:10

        They don't know how to use it. We're good. (laughs) So-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:12

        Like if somebody comes trying to get your stuff.

    26. ASAron Snyder1:03:14

        Oh, well, a- a- in my ... with the local game warden, he was, uh, we texted back and forth. He was like, "Dude, you would not believe how many people are like, 'I'm just gonna go wait it out.'" Drove their asses into the mountains and set up some Walmart tent and then a snow storm hit.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

        Oh boy.

    28. ASAron Snyder1:03:28

        Like, this isn't a story. This is ... He's like, "Dude, we're pulling people out like crazy that I don't know-"

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

        They were doing this in March?

    30. ASAron Snyder1:03:33

        Yeah. In, in-

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