JRE - End Of The World #2

1. 0:00 – 0:53

   Setting the stakes: live election night and early prediction (Biden favored)

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

   4. TDTim Dillon0:12

      Is it real?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      It's live. This is it. End of the world, part two. Tim Dillon, you savage. It's good to see you my friend.

   6. TDTim Dillon0:19

      Thank you for having me. We're back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Kyle Kulinski, voice of reason, the person who actually understands politics.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski0:23

      That's debatable. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      De- it is debatable but-

   10. KKKyle Kulinski0:25

       We'll see how much the voice of reason I am.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I will say, uh, I will lean towards you knowing what you're talking about. Um, what's going on?

   12. NANarrator0:34

       I'm gonna check.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Oh. So, do you... Do you have an opinion about how this is gonna go down?

   14. KKKyle Kulinski0:39

       Yeah, do I, yeah, do I have a prediction?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah. Yes.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski0:41

       Yes. Uh, it's very likely to be Joe Biden winning.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       And what, what, what makes you say this?

   18. KKKyle Kulinski0:46

       First of all, let me just, let me just make clear so you, we don't get mass down-voted, I'm not saying that because I necessarily-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Let's get mass down-voted.

2. 0:53 – 3:31

   Poll skepticism, “fake news,” and how narratives get weaponized

   1. KKKyle Kulinski0:53

      ... want that to happen, I'm saying that empirically I think it's very likely that he's gonna win. And the reason I say that is, I, I actually sent this to you Jaime, if you, uh, wanna pull it up, but, um, when you look at the polls, and I know, we can get into whether or not you should even believe the polls, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:06

      Right.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski1:06

      Because-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      2016.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski1:07

      ... you don't think so, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:08

      Well, my thing with polls, I, I even have a bit on it, is like, who answers polls? Morons. So if you're listening to morons, like 46% of morons believe this. But nobody, a normal person with like a regular life, they, "Hey Kyle, may I have a few minutes of your time to ask you about politics?" You don't say yes to that. Morons say yes to that. So the people that you're polling are almost all morons.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski1:33

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      Or lonely, or sad.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski1:36

      (laughs) Lonely or sad.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Right?

   11. TDTim Dillon1:38

       It's true. I, I wanna get polled.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski1:39

       I can talk to a pollster. (laughs)

   13. TDTim Dillon1:40

       Nobody polls me. I'm waiting every night for a call, I wanna talk for hours about, and no one cares.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       Yeah. Have you ever answered a poll?

   15. KKKyle Kulinski1:48

       I've never answered a poll, no.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Never. Have you?

   17. TDTim Dillon1:50

       I've never been called.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Jaime, have you ever answered a poll?

   19. NANarrator1:55

       Not like a real one, though.

   20. TDTim Dillon1:56

       No.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski1:56

       Not a real one. For like, Kleenex.

   22. TDTim Dillon1:58

       I don't know any more.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski1:58

       Kleenex reached out to you or something. (laughs)

   24. TDTim Dillon2:00

       I don't know who they call and why they call them though.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       I don't believe in polls and I don't believe in Nielsen families. I don't think they're real.

   26. TDTim Dillon2:05

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       I've never met a Nielsen family.

   28. TDTim Dillon2:06

       It's a good point.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       People say they have a friend, "Oh, my friend's a Nielsen family." Hmm.

   30. TDTim Dillon2:10

       Right.
3. 3:31 – 5:15

   Manufacturing consent: Iraq War coverage and media incentives

   1. KKKyle Kulinski3:31

      See, that's one of the reasons why I think Trump resonated, is because he would say stuff that I think people around the country just had a sense that he's right about it. Like, Joe, think about it. The media in this country lied us into the Iraq war.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      Right.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski3:47

      If there was, like that is the definition of fake news. Not only is it fake news, but it's fake news that led to the deaths of 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians-

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      Right.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski3:54

      ... and thousands of our own soldiers.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      But would, when you say that, you don't think they were in on it, do you?

   7. KKKyle Kulinski3:58

      No, I don't think, see, the way it works is, and Noam Chomsky's got a book called Manufacturing Consent-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      Yeah.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski4:02

      ... where he really dives into the specifics of this and gives you the mechanics of it, but basically the way it works is, the people who get hired at these news outlets, they've all had like the proper training. They go to the Ivy League schools, you know, they study journalism. And you only get promoted if they know you're really not gonna rock the boat. And what I mean by that is you basically repeat the line that the government wants you to repeat. And so, you know, when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were out there making the case, a good little journalist says, "Oh, here's what the President says and here's what the Vice President says, and they're saying that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." And then you had Colin Powell go to the UN and hold up the uranium and say, "Ah, see? I mean, what do you wanna do?" Do you want, what did they say? "Do you want the evidence to come in the form of a mushroom-shaped cloud?"

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       Right, I remember that.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski4:44

       That was them saying we need to act now-

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Right.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski4:46

       ... and for- forget about proving it, we have to act now. And the media went right along with them.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Was there any doubt that they knew that that was not true?

   15. KKKyle Kulinski4:54

       Um, I think there were probably some people who made the argument who were convinced of the propaganda themselves, but no, the decision had been made long before that that Saddam Hussein was on a list of rogue actors who we wanted to overthrow. And by the way, that list still exists today. So all this fighting that we do with Iran, they're on the list and we want to overthrow them as well.

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Yeah, we want-

   17. KKKyle Kulinski5:12

       A lot of people don't know the history of it.

   18. TDTim Dillon5:14

       We wanna, we wanna get them bad, bad. Now. Yeah.

4. 5:15 – 7:57

   Authoritarian regimes and U.S. alliances: Iran, Saudi Arabia, and social control

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:15

      Did you see they executed that Olympic wrestler?

   2. TDTim Dillon5:17

      No. Why did they do that?

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:18

      'Cause he went to a protest.

   4. TDTim Dillon5:20

      Oh, they, the Iranians executed-

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Yeah.

   6. TDTim Dillon5:22

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Yeah, he went to a peaceful protest and, uh, they wanted to make an example of him. He's, uh, an Olympic hero.

   8. TDTim Dillon5:27

      How did they execute him?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:28

      I don't know.

   10. TDTim Dillon5:29

       Jeez.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       I don't know, but the UFC made a push, uh, Dana White put out a video begging the government to please not, to not execute him.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski5:37

       It's an authoritarian theocracy. You know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       Yeah.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski5:39

       That's what happens. There's no social freedoms.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       Yeah. Yeah.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski5:42

       The idea of freedom of speech is...... totally far and there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Well, it's, it's, uh, as you said, a theocracy. Like, we- I talked about it with Glen- Glen Greenwald, too, that they, um, they have an extraordinary high number of transgender, uh, women-

   18. KKKyle Kulinski5:55

       Because they don't allow gay people.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:56

       ... because they don't allow gay people.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski5:57

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       Yeah. So if you wanna... If you're a man and you're attracted to men, you, you have to become a woman.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski6:01

       Right, mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       But... Which is crazy that they're okay with that.

   24. TDTim Dillon6:04

       Very i- i- in a weird way, kind of very progressive.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       (laughs)

   26. KKKyle Kulinski6:08

       (laughs)

   27. TDTim Dillon6:08

       Like an in- like an incredibly progressive state where they're like, "We're gonna-"

   28. KKKyle Kulinski6:13

       Skip the gay thing and go right to the trans thing. (laughs)

   29. TDTim Dillon6:14

       You know, we're gonna skip this step. We'll go right, uh... (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Yeah. It's progressive and homophobic at the same time.
5. 7:57 – 8:47

   Security state power: NSA, intelligence blowback, and why reforms don’t happen

   1. KKKyle Kulinski7:57

      This is... The thing that drove me crazy is that, like... So you had under Bush and you had under Obama, um, basically the expansion of the security state, and you had, like, the Patriot Act, NSA spying, all these tools that are authoritarian tools that the government can use. And Trump correctly, when he ran, spoke about ending the wars and... But then he gets in power and the wars continue.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski8:18

      And then he gets in power... He didn't dismant-... He talks all the time about how, "The Obama campaign was spying on me." And I'm watching it like, "If only you were in a position of power to do something about that, like disband the NSA."

   4. TDTim Dillon8:27

      But it weirdly-

   5. KKKyle Kulinski8:28

      Stop the NSA spying.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:29

      That's, that's a good way to get shot.

   7. TDTim Dillon8:30

      Yeah, yeah. That's a good way to get-

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:32

      Put you in a convertible.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski8:32

      Actually, Chuck Schumer-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       Yeah.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski8:33

       ... made that point too when he was on MSNBC. He had a moment of honesty where he was like, "You don't mess with the guys in the intelligence agencies because they got a thousand ways to Sunday to get back at you."

   12. TDTim Dillon8:41

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       Yeah. Well, that was one of the things that he said to Trump. Glen, Glen Gleam- Glenn Greenwald-

   14. KKKyle Kulinski8:45

       Glen brought that up. That's right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       ... brought that up in the podcast as well.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski8:47

       Yeah.

6. 8:47 – 20:03

   Endless wars, profiteering, and the “jobs” excuse

   1. TDTim Dillon8:47

      Mm-hmm. Well, also, it doesn't seem like Biden is more of a war hawk though in a weird way? And Kamala is more of a war hawk. It's about Russia. They're talking about Trump's too friendly with North Korea. He's too friendly with Russia.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski8:56

      Yes, on those issues, absolutely.

   3. TDTim Dillon8:57

      It's kinda weird. I'm like, "Shouldn't we be friendly with these nuclear powers that could-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:01

      That... But isn't that just to court the people on the right that maybe you're... They find him distasteful?

   5. TDTim Dillon9:05

      No, no, no.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski9:06

      It could... No, no, no.

   7. TDTim Dillon9:06

      I don't know.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski9:06

      I think... Well, listen, Biden was part of the Obama administration. We don't have to guess they continued the wars. You know what I mean?

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      Yeah.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski9:12

       And so I think Biden will continue the wars. And to your point, yes, there are specific issues like Russia where what the Democrats say happens to be more hawkish.

   11. TDTim Dillon9:20

       It's more bellicose-

   12. KKKyle Kulinski9:21

       You know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       Right.

   14. TDTim Dillon9:21

       ... than what the Republicans say.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski9:22

       Um, but the thing that drives me crazy is that whenever any of them get in power, none of them just end the wars. None of them get out of Iraq. None of them get out of Afghanistan. Every now and then, Trump will fire off a tweet where he's like, "We're getting out."

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Well, don-

   17. KKKyle Kulinski9:32

       And then one of his generals behind the scenes is like, "No, we're not."

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski9:34

       And he's like, "You're right, we're not. I was wrong about that." (laughs)

   20. TDTim Dillon9:37

       Can we afford, can we afford to get out of the wars? This is an ugly question.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski9:40

       Can we afford-

   22. TDTim Dillon9:40

       Can we afford to stop the wars now?

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       Afford?

   24. TDTim Dillon9:44

       Yeah. Isn't it a moneymaker? Isn't that why we're there?

   25. KKKyle Kulinski9:46

       Oh, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       Well, military-industrial complex, sure.

   27. TDTim Dillon9:48

       I mean, isn't it a tough-

   28. KKKyle Kulinski9:48

       There are a lot of people that make a lot of money from it.

   29. TDTim Dillon9:50

       It's just... It's a tough economy. Maybe we stop the wars in a couple of years.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       (laughs)
7. 20:03 – 24:50

   Violence, duels, and the weird American appetite for conflict

   1. TDTim Dillon20:03

      But, you know, it's, if, you know, if you're into it, then maybe they like it.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski20:07

      (laughs)

   3. TDTim Dillon20:07

      I mean, that's, certain families wanna be... Some people just wanna go to war. I have friends that are in the military 'cause they like to kill and they want-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski20:16

      Yeah.

   5. TDTim Dillon20:16

      ... they need to go kill somewhere.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:18

      What?

   7. TDTim Dillon20:18

      That's le- it's true.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:19

      Well, don't you think they think they're doing it for a good reason?

   9. TDTim Dillon20:22

      No.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski20:22

       (laughs)

   11. TDTim Dillon20:22

       Not, not the people from Long Island that I know. No.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:26

       (laughs)

   13. TDTim Dillon20:26

       The people from Long Island and Boston that I know, no, they just, they, they... Anything's a good reason for them, you know.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski20:33

       Yeah, I mean-

   15. TDTim Dillon20:33

       But we gotta have a sting for people, right... There's g-... And you know more about violence than anybody. There's gotta be something f- where violent people can go and be productive.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:41

       They need an outlet. They need an outlet.

   17. TDTim Dillon20:42

       They need an outlet. As long as it's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       I've had conversations with people ab- about violence where they're like, you know, like, "Violence has no place in our society." And they, they, they, they think that the UFC is bad for society. I'm like-

   19. TDTim Dillon20:51

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:52

       ... those are some of the... I've seen so few brawls at UFCs, it's, it's amazing.

   21. TDTim Dillon20:57

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       I've been to hundreds of those things. I don't know how many times I've ever seen a fight, like maybe three, four times?

   23. TDTim Dillon21:02

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       Never.

   25. TDTim Dillon21:02

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       And those are drunks.

   27. TDTim Dillon21:04

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       You know.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski21:04

       Yeah, but something like that's a good outlet-

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:06

       Yes.
8. 24:50 – 32:16

   The election model: swing states, mail-in counting, and why the map will “lie” early

   1. KKKyle Kulinski24:50

      Right, 'cause I'm not, it's not me, I'm just relaying the information. So-

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:53

      Well, it's okay. I know you hate him. Just kinda tell us-

   3. KKKyle Kulinski24:55

      I do, but I hate Biden too. Jamie, I DM'd you this if you wanna pull it up, but, um, the first thing here is, this is basically every single presidential election and where the polls were going into that day.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:07

      Mm-hmm.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski25:07

      And basically, the Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump election was the only election where somebody had a four-point lead, as Hillary had, and then she lost the electoral college. She won the popular vote, but she lost the electoral college. Biden made-

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:19

      Wasn't that the case with Gore as well?

   7. KKKyle Kulinski25:20

      Um, with Gore, well, he was, Bush was up versus Gore 3.6% percentage points nationally.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:27

      But didn't Gore win the, um-

   9. KKKyle Kulinski25:29

      He did end up-

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       ... popular vote?

   11. KKKyle Kulinski25:30

       ... winning it by a razor-thin margin, but the point is, the polling going into that day was Bush up 3.6.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       Look at this. Um, 2020, Biden up 8.6. Wow, that's high.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski25:40

       And then Clinton three points, 3.9, Obama .3 in 2012, uh, Obama 6.7.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       What? 2012 he was only up .3?

   15. KKKyle Kulinski25:49

       Y- he ended up winning the electoral college with, I wanna say, about 330 electoral votes. Um, but yeah, he was up. Nationally-

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       Why was he so-

   17. KKKyle Kulinski25:55

       ... he was only up .3.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:56

       Why was he so low? That was against Mitt Romney?

   19. KKKyle Kulinski25:58

       That was against Mitt Romney, yeah. Um-

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:00

       I had no idea, I thought he cruised through that.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski26:02

       Well, he did in terms of the electoral college numbers, but nationally it was a very even race, which is why-

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:07

       But that's-

   23. KKKyle Kulinski26:07

       ... they treat it as such throughout the election.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:09

       But that's the polling.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski26:10

       Right, that's the national polling, which-

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:12

       But that's so low.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski26:14

       Yeah, that one is a little bit surprising. I would've guessed he would've had a five-point lead or something like that. But anyway, as you can see here, like, we, we have to go back to what, uh, Clinton in '96 when he absolutely, uh, landslided, I think it was Dole, in '96.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       Mm-hmm.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski26:26

       And you gotta go back to Reagan in 1984, plus 17.7 and, and I guess, uh, H.W. Bush as well, plus 10.1. Like, basically, yes, the, the national number is not the most important 'cause the electoral college is what matters, but Biden has, has never been down in a, in the national number at any point throughout the race. And then when you go to the swing states, uh, Trump's path is just so razor-thin where he can't have anything go wrong for him. So, he needs to win Flori- he has, he has to win Florida or he's done. If he loses Florida, it's over tonight.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:57

       Isn't Florida filled with old people, though?
9. 32:16 – 39:33

   Live results rolling in: Florida, Pennsylvania anxiety, and the “don’t freak out” challenge

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:16

      Well, let's find out where we're at right now. Is there, uh, anything, Jamie, that shows us where we're at right now? Here we go. Look at that. Florida looks like Trump, Alabama Trump, Mississippi Trump. It's Trump. Trump won.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski32:28

      Okay, so here right now...

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:29

      Trump is the president.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski32:30

      It's over. He won again. So, right now-

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:32

      Texas is blue.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski32:35

      Because that's... A- again, okay, that's because they're counting the mail-ins first and the mail-ins are heavily Biden. See, that's what I'm saying is like, it's a little misleading to watch it second by second because it- they're- it's gonna be skewed based on which votes they're counting.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:46

      Mm-hmm.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski32:47

      You see what I'm saying?

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:47

      What's the chance we don't have an answer tonight?

   10. KKKyle Kulinski32:50

       100%. Probably 50 or 60% chance we don't have an answer tonight.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:54

       What's the chance that people handle that maturely and don't burn things down and throw bricks through windows?

   12. KKKyle Kulinski32:58

       Negative 14,000% (laughs) . Right (laughs) . Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       Look so far, it's 85-55 Joe Biden's winning.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski33:06

       So, there's a few surprises up there, by the way. There obviously Texas is a surprise but even Ohio, Trump was up in Ohio in the average of polls and that's looking blue. But again, I don't want to get ahead of myself because I just told you guys don't pay attention until the number gets up a lot more.

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:20

       Yeah, 60-40.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski33:21

       Now, see that's going to swing back to Trump though as time goes by because there's no way Ohio is going to finish on that number. No way. Not a chance in hell. Only 32% reporting. That means they're counting the mail-ins. That's what that tells me.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       And all the other states are just in, in play?

   18. KKKyle Kulinski33:37

       Um, so as time goes by, the, the polls close at different times and so I could tell you the order that everything closes here. We're supposed to get... 7 o'clock we had Vermont, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Indiana and Kentucky. Georgia is the only one of those that's really a swing state. Um, 7:30 we had, we have North Carolina, Ohio and West Virginia. North Carolina and Ohio were both swing states. Then at 8 o'clock we get clonked over the head, so we just got clonked over the head here. We have Washington, D.C., Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, Maine's, uh, first district, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Florida, uh, Maine second district, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma. Only one, two, three of those are swing states. We really have Pennsylvania, Florida and Maine second district. Um, and then 9 o'clock we get New York and a bunch of others as well.

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:25

       I've never felt a time where the country was more on edge during an election.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski34:29

       Because there's never been a time where it's been this bad. No way.

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:32

       Ever?

   22. KKKyle Kulinski34:32

       No way.

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:32

       Right. They came up with a thing, they said there's like a political... I forgot what it is, but there's some indicator of political tension, they said it's higher now than the Civil War. Whoa. Geez.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski34:41

       No, I don't know about that one. People-

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:42

       Well, I mean that's what they said.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski34:43

       Shooting each other in the face. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:45

       Well, listen, that can happen.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski34:46

       They were very polite and genteel-

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:48

       (laughs) .

   30. KKKyle Kulinski34:48

       That is true. They wore powdered wigs and...
10. 39:33 – 48:07

    COVID response and economic relief: wage replacement vs corporate bailouts

    1. KKKyle Kulinski39:33

       situation is just abysmal. I mean, you talk about this all the time on your show, but when you shut down the economy, basically, because of the virus, you can't shut down the economy and then not give people a lifeline monetarily, 'cause then they can't pay the fucking bills.

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:48

       Right.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski39:48

       This, this isn't rocket science. You know? And a lot of other countries, Joe, what they did is, they did like this wage replacement thing where they temporarily nationalized wages. So, in other words, if the government told you, "Hey, you can't work because of COVID," they would then say, "And that's why we're gonna pay 75% of your wage until COVID is over."

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:05

       Could they have done that in this country?

    5. KKKyle Kulinski40:06

       Oh, we absolutely could have done it. We chose not to do it. In fact, what we did is probably the worst of all worlds, which is we took trillions of dollars and threw them at the corporations and said, "Here, we're giving you a bailout." And then the corporations turned around and fired people anyway.

    6. TDTim Dillon40:19

       Yeah, in the beginning of COVID, like, Trump, they would had, like, these press conferences, and then there would be like, there would be like the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings would come out.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski40:26

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:26

       (laughs)

    9. TDTim Dillon40:26

       And like, they'd be like, "Let's bring out the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings." And the guy's like, "Hey, we're just committed to helping. We're taking some of our napkins and making face masks." Like, it was this just crazy group of people that came out. Like, the guy who ran Red Lobster-

    10. KKKyle Kulinski40:42

        (laughs)

    11. TDTim Dillon40:42

        ... was like, "We're also getting involved in the fight."

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:45

        (laughs)

    13. TDTim Dillon40:45

        It was absurd. It's always corporate, like-

    14. KKKyle Kulinski40:48

        Always corporate.

    15. TDTim Dillon40:48

        ... uh, well, it's always corporate. It's like, "Listen, let's, let's let Dave & Buster's make ventilators and fix it."

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        (laughs) The idea that they would give those people that money and not have a clause in there where you can't fire people is amazing.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski41:00

        That's right. I mean, and again, this also happened in the Wall Street bailout back, you know, under Bush and under Obama. They, they always do the same thing. They bail them out and they have no strings attached, and then what happens is, you know, these executives paid bonuses to the same people who crashed the company, and you know, there's no accountability. Those people fail up all the time. They fail up. "Oh, I bankrupted my company, but it's okay. The gold- the government gave me, you know, a billion dollars," because Goldman Sachs basically owns the government, you know, and that's how it works, and it's incredibly corrupt. And that's why when something bad happens and the people need a bailout, they never get a bailout. What's, what did people get? A one-time $1200 stimulus check.

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:37

        Which is amazing. And we thought at least it was gonna come more frequently, and never came again.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski41:41

        Never came again.

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:41

        The idea that they get one check in eight months is kind of insane.

    21. KKKyle Kulinski41:45

        People don't have money to, to stay afloat.

    22. TDTim Dillon41:47

        There are people that have been trying to get unemployment for like six months.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:50

        That's right.

    24. TDTim Dillon41:51

        They can't even get unemployment because these fucking states, I mean, it's crazy.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:55

        And all the protection for people getting evicted is, uh, is soon gonna expire.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski42:00

        That's right, and so we're about to, you know, I saw a tweet about this earlier from, uh, the guy at The Washington Post, one of the only good people at The Washington Post, and he was basically listing it, and he's like, "Here are the things that expire, you know, in the upcoming however many months." And people are screwed, man. They're screwed. I don't know how they're gonna pay the bills. We're already seeing polls where like 30% of people say, "I can't make rent."

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:20

        So, what could, what could they-

    28. TDTim Dillon42:21

        Yeah, but I mean have those people tried hustling and grinding?

    29. KKKyle Kulinski42:24

        OnlyFans is seeing a big explosion. (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:27

        (laughs)
11. 48:07 – 53:34

    Corruption and “bread-and-butter” politics: student debt, Flint, and Bernie’s appeal

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:07

       Why don't, why is, why is that so hard to fix? That's a good question.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski48:10

       I think the reason why, they didn't want to spend the extra money to get the proper pipes and so then when it got terrible and it was contaminated, they were like, "Whoopsie." And then I don't know how at this late date they haven't fixed it yet. That strikes me as absolutely absurd.

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:25

       Right, that was the Obama administration, so we've got to do the entire-

    4. KKKyle Kulinski48:27

       Happened under Obama, mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       ... Trump administration and it hasn't been repaired. Insane.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski48:31

       Obama didn't do anything serious, Trump didn't do anything serious.

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:33

       And that, and those are, that's people's lives, those are kids' lives, man. It's fucked up. Well, no, that is long term repercussions, right? So, we're talking about people now, who knows what it's like 15 years from now, 20 years from now, growing up without water?

    8. KKKyle Kulinski48:45

       Right. And listen, people...This is the stuff that actually matters to people. If you really, if you want to be successful running for political office, it's not that difficult. It's the bread and butter issues, it's the basics: wages, jobs, you know-

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:00

       What's-

    10. KKKyle Kulinski49:00

        ... I don't want your water to be poisoned.

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        What stops them from fixing these things?

    12. KKKyle Kulinski49:04

        A lot of it's corruption. A lot of it's the fact that these politicians take money from corporations and billionaires, and then they turn around and they serve them and they don't do anything that their constituents want. Because as a general rule, whatever the people want is opposed by the billionaire class. The billionaire class just wants more tax cuts for themselves. Regular people, if you look at the polls, they want, you know, a living wage for example, they want to end the wars, they want to do an infrastructure deal and give people jobs. Like, the things are, are very basic. And actually this gets back to what we were talking about earlier because Trump in 2016, he was... He never got credit for running a superb campaign, 'cause he really did. When Hillary Clinton was not stepping foot in the Rust Belt to campaign, he was doing rallies there in the final weeks leading up to the election where he would non-stop hammer on jobs and he would say, you know, "Hillary and Bill, they outsourced your job with NAFTA, they outsourced your job with permanent normal trade relations with China. I'm gonna bring your job back. I'm the outsider, she's the insider. They sent your kids to go die in a war, I want to get us out of the war." And he just kept hammering her and hammering her and hammering her. And the reason he won is because those states are the states that he picked off to win the electoral college. He won by something from like 70,000 to 110,000 votes. And in fact, I kinda want to show you this ad because it, it shows it perfectly. Trump's closing ad in 2016, that's actually what it's called on YouTube. Jamie, if you wanna pull that up. Uh, Trump's Closing Argument Ad or something like that. The ad is phenomenal. It's, it's policy based, it's substance based, and he portrays himself as the outsider.

    13. JRJoe Rogan50:33

        (coughs)

    14. KKKyle Kulinski50:33

        And then comparing how good his campaign was in 2016 versus how shitty it is this time around, I'm not surprised that Joe Biden, who barely has a functioning brain, is casually up by nine points, eight points, nine points, whatever it is.

    15. JRJoe Rogan50:48

        But is... Do you... Wouldn't you agree that it's not that Joe Biden's run a good campaign, it's that people hate Trump?

    16. KKKyle Kulinski50:55

        It... That's exactly right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan50:56

        Yeah.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski50:56

        That's exactly right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan50:57

        And look-

    20. KKKyle Kulinski50:57

        But they didn't hate Trump 2016. Trump 2016 was a good politician.

    21. JRJoe Rogan51:02

        The best thing that Biden-

    22. KKKyle Kulinski51:02

        Was a really good politician.

    23. JRJoe Rogan51:03

        ... did in this cycle is not really go out to deal with the public.

    24. KKKyle Kulinski51:09

        Hide. Like, that's what... Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan51:10

        Well, every time he did he fucked up 50% of the time.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski51:13

        Exactly. So that was like... If there's anything that they did good, it's keeping him away-

    27. JRJoe Rogan51:17

        Yeah.

    28. KKKyle Kulinski51:17

        ... from the people.

    29. JRJoe Rogan51:19

        Do you think though that if COVID didn't happen, where the economy was before COVID-

    30. KKKyle Kulinski51:23

        Trump-
12. 53:34 – 1:45:08

    Global supply chains and moral complicity: iPhones, “fair” phones, and modern slavery

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:34

       That really does show what k- what hypocrites we are 'cause all these people who are progressive, they all have iPhones in their pockets.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski53:40

       Yes, that's right. And you're right, we're all hypocrites. All of us are hypocrites.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:43

       I mean, that... Like, unless you're buying some phone that... What... Like, what is the most... We've talked about this before, Jamie, but I don't remember anything. What is the most ethical phone you could buy? 'Cause it's clear it's not-

    4. KKKyle Kulinski53:55

       Wasn't it the Fairphone? Remember?

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:57

       Right. Right.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski53:57

       I think I heard... I think I learned that from you.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:59

       Yeah. That's right. That's right, that's what it is. And, uh, even that, like where are the minerals coming from? It... You follow the chain-

    8. KKKyle Kulinski54:06

       And there's slaves somewhere.

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:07

       ... of parts and there's a slave with a stick pulling-

    10. KKKyle Kulinski54:08

        There's slaves somewhere. That's right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:09

        How do you... What do you do though?

    12. KKKyle Kulinski54:11

        I know, man. It's tough.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        That's the problem, it's we're all complicit in these things, what do you do? I mean...

    14. KKKyle Kulinski54:15

        I mean, we could do what we can control and I did think, you know, a lot of Trump's rhetoric in 2016 on trade, I think he was correct.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:23

        Are they really slaves in the China... that are making the phones?

    16. KKKyle Kulinski54:29

        Slaves in the China? (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:30

        You know what I mean?

    18. KKKyle Kulinski54:30

        In the factory?

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:30

        Are they really slaves-

    20. KKKyle Kulinski54:32

        Foxconn, whatever it's called.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:33

        ... that they don't enjoy it all?

    22. KKKyle Kulinski54:35

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:35

        Do they not enjoy it all to make-

    24. KKKyle Kulinski54:37

        Well, there is actually an expose-

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:37

        They make... This is beautiful. There's actually an expose recently written by a guy who, uh, posed as a w- he's a, a, a guy of Chinese descent but I believe he's American and he worked in, um, a factory, uh, making iPhones and doing one thing 12 hours a day and he wrote a story about it like how inhumane the conditions are there.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski54:58

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:59

        And-

    28. KKKyle Kulinski55:00

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        And try to get it into people's heads like this is what you're supporting when you buy a phone. What's really kinda crazy is that Apple, with all their money, right? And they're my favorite phone company, right? They're, they're, they're my favorite phone company because they don't, they don't...... they, they don't sell your information like Google does.

    30. KKKyle Kulinski55:16

        Right, yeah. They care about privacy there. Right.

Episode duration: 3:45:26