JRE - End Of The World #2

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Tim Dillon 0:12 Is it real?

Joe Rogan 0:14 It's live. This is it. End of the world, part two. Tim Dillon, you savage. It's good to see you my friend.

Tim Dillon 0:19 Thank you for having me. We're back.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Kyle Kulinski, voice of reason, the person who actually understands politics.

Kyle Kulinski 0:23 That's debatable. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:25 De- it is debatable but-

Kyle Kulinski 0:25 We'll see how much the voice of reason I am.

Joe Rogan 0:27 I will say, uh, I will lean towards you knowing what you're talking about. Um, what's going on?

Narrator 0:34 I'm gonna check.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Oh. So, do you... Do you have an opinion about how this is gonna go down?

Kyle Kulinski 0:39 Yeah, do I, yeah, do I have a prediction?

Joe Rogan 0:41 Yeah. Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 0:41 Yes. Uh, it's very likely to be Joe Biden winning.

Joe Rogan 0:45 And what, what, what makes you say this?

Kyle Kulinski 0:46 First of all, let me just, let me just make clear so you, we don't get mass down-voted, I'm not saying that because I necessarily-

Joe Rogan 0:53 Let's get mass down-voted.

Kyle Kulinski 0:53 ... want that to happen, I'm saying that empirically I think it's very likely that he's gonna win. And the reason I say that is, I, I actually sent this to you Jaime, if you, uh, wanna pull it up, but, um, when you look at the polls, and I know, we can get into whether or not you should even believe the polls, right?

Joe Rogan 1:06 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 1:06 Because-

Joe Rogan 1:07 2016.

Kyle Kulinski 1:07 ... you don't think so, right?

Joe Rogan 1:08 Well, my thing with polls, I, I even have a bit on it, is like, who answers polls? Morons. So if you're listening to morons, like 46% of morons believe this. But nobody, a normal person with like a regular life, they, "Hey Kyle, may I have a few minutes of your time to ask you about politics?" You don't say yes to that. Morons say yes to that. So the people that you're polling are almost all morons.

Kyle Kulinski 1:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33 Or lonely, or sad.

Kyle Kulinski 1:36 (laughs) Lonely or sad.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Right?

Tim Dillon 1:38 It's true. I, I wanna get polled.

Kyle Kulinski 1:39 I can talk to a pollster. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:40 Nobody polls me. I'm waiting every night for a call, I wanna talk for hours about, and no one cares.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Yeah. Have you ever answered a poll?

Kyle Kulinski 1:48 I've never answered a poll, no.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Never. Have you?

Tim Dillon 1:50 I've never been called.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Jaime, have you ever answered a poll?

Narrator 1:55 Not like a real one, though.

Tim Dillon 1:56 No.

Kyle Kulinski 1:56 Not a real one. For like, Kleenex.

Tim Dillon 1:58 I don't know any more.

Kyle Kulinski 1:58 Kleenex reached out to you or something. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 2:00 I don't know who they call and why they call them though.

Joe Rogan 2:01 I don't believe in polls and I don't believe in Nielsen families. I don't think they're real.

Tim Dillon 2:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:05 I've never met a Nielsen family.

Tim Dillon 2:06 It's a good point.

Joe Rogan 2:07 People say they have a friend, "Oh, my friend's a Nielsen family." Hmm.

Tim Dillon 2:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:11 Really?

Tim Dillon 2:11 Right. So our ratings, everything's just fake?

Joe Rogan 2:14 It's all fake.

Tim Dillon 2:15 Yeah, we don't know anything.

Joe Rogan 2:16 The news is now. We, the news is definitely fake, I'll give you that.

Tim Dillon 2:19 Remember, do you remember when fake news, when you'd hear fake news, you'd be like, "Ugh, that's such an unfortunate term. I hate when people say that," 'cause you know it's not fake.

Kyle Kulinski 2:26 You know Hillary started that, right? It wasn't Trump.

Tim Dillon 2:28 What?

Kyle Kulinski 2:28 Hillary was the first, the original one who said "fake news" and then Trump took it and ran with it, and now everybody thinks it's just a Trump thing.

Joe Rogan 2:34 No way. When did she do that?

Kyle Kulinski 2:35 Yeah. She, I think the first time that that term came up, she said something, it may have been in the context of like, "Oh, we need to regulate fake news online." Like, fake news, there's all the, there's all these stories that blow up on Facebook and they're not true and maybe we should do something about it, and she used the term "fake news" in a speech, and then after that, it was Trump who started using it, and now everybody thinks it's, you know, been him all along.

Joe Rogan 2:56 Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Well, he used it a lot, that's for sure.

Kyle Kulinski 3:01 I mean, yeah, now it's his, obviously. I mean he's-

Joe Rogan 3:03 It's crazy though that-

Kyle Kulinski 3:03 ... got like a patent on it.

Joe Rogan 3:05 ... 2016 was when we first heard that term. Like, the, we have existed for a long time. There's been media for a long time. There's even been internet for a long time, relatively.

Kyle Kulinski 3:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:16 And yet, "fake news" is a new thing. And now, but I used to think it was bullshit. I used to think it was a cheap cop-out for someone who didn't wanna deal with facts and they would just tell their people, "Hey, this is fake news." And you'd be like, "But you know that's not fake." Like-

Kyle Kulinski 3:31 See, that's one of the reasons why I think Trump resonated, is because he would say stuff that I think people around the country just had a sense that he's right about it. Like, Joe, think about it. The media in this country lied us into the Iraq war.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 3:47 If there was, like that is the definition of fake news. Not only is it fake news, but it's fake news that led to the deaths of 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians-

Joe Rogan 3:54 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 3:54 ... and thousands of our own soldiers.

Joe Rogan 3:56 But would, when you say that, you don't think they were in on it, do you?

Kyle Kulinski 3:58 No, I don't think, see, the way it works is, and Noam Chomsky's got a book called Manufacturing Consent-

Joe Rogan 4:02 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 4:02 ... where he really dives into the specifics of this and gives you the mechanics of it, but basically the way it works is, the people who get hired at these news outlets, they've all had like the proper training. They go to the Ivy League schools, you know, they study journalism. And you only get promoted if they know you're really not gonna rock the boat. And what I mean by that is you basically repeat the line that the government wants you to repeat. And so, you know, when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were out there making the case, a good little journalist says, "Oh, here's what the President says and here's what the Vice President says, and they're saying that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." And then you had Colin Powell go to the UN and hold up the uranium and say, "Ah, see? I mean, what do you wanna do?" Do you want, what did they say? "Do you want the evidence to come in the form of a mushroom-shaped cloud?"

Joe Rogan 4:43 Right, I remember that.

Kyle Kulinski 4:44 That was them saying we need to act now-

Joe Rogan 4:45 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 4:46 ... and for- forget about proving it, we have to act now. And the media went right along with them.

Joe Rogan 4:49 Was there any doubt that they knew that that was not true?

Kyle Kulinski 4:54 Um, I think there were probably some people who made the argument who were convinced of the propaganda themselves, but no, the decision had been made long before that that Saddam Hussein was on a list of rogue actors who we wanted to overthrow. And by the way, that list still exists today. So all this fighting that we do with Iran, they're on the list and we want to overthrow them as well.

Joe Rogan 5:12 Yeah, we want-

Kyle Kulinski 5:12 A lot of people don't know the history of it.

Tim Dillon 5:14 We wanna, we wanna get them bad, bad. Now. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 Did you see they executed that Olympic wrestler?

Tim Dillon 5:17 No. Why did they do that?

Joe Rogan 5:18 'Cause he went to a protest.

Tim Dillon 5:20 Oh, they, the Iranians executed-

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 5:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah, he went to a peaceful protest and, uh, they wanted to make an example of him. He's, uh, an Olympic hero.

Tim Dillon 5:27 How did they execute him?

Joe Rogan 5:28 I don't know.

Tim Dillon 5:29 Jeez.

Joe Rogan 5:29 I don't know, but the UFC made a push, uh, Dana White put out a video begging the government to please not, to not execute him.

Kyle Kulinski 5:37 It's an authoritarian theocracy. You know?

Joe Rogan 5:39 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 5:39 That's what happens. There's no social freedoms.

Joe Rogan 5:41 Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 5:42 The idea of freedom of speech is...... totally far and there.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Well, it's, it's, uh, as you said, a theocracy. Like, we- I talked about it with Glen- Glen Greenwald, too, that they, um, they have an extraordinary high number of transgender, uh, women-

Kyle Kulinski 5:55 Because they don't allow gay people.

Joe Rogan 5:56 ... because they don't allow gay people.

Kyle Kulinski 5:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:57 Yeah. So if you wanna... If you're a man and you're attracted to men, you, you have to become a woman.

Kyle Kulinski 6:01 Right, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:02 But... Which is crazy that they're okay with that.

Tim Dillon 6:04 Very i- i- in a weird way, kind of very progressive.

Joe Rogan 6:08 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 6:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:08 Like an in- like an incredibly progressive state where they're like, "We're gonna-"

Kyle Kulinski 6:13 Skip the gay thing and go right to the trans thing. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:14 You know, we're gonna skip this step. We'll go right, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:17 Yeah. It's progressive and homophobic at the same time.

Tim Dillon 6:20 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 6:20 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 It's in a, in a super weird way.

Kyle Kulinski 6:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:23 This is the fucking... I mean, like, we're, we're dealing 2020 and people are getting beheaded in France for showing cartoons.

Kyle Kulinski 6:29 I mean, listen-

Joe Rogan 6:30 It's happening all over again.

Kyle Kulinski 6:31 I was actually just talking about this earlier that, you know, one of our top allies, Saudi Arabia, they still behead people in the public square.

Joe Rogan 6:38 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 6:38 You know? It's like... And they do it for drug smuggling.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 6:40 They do it for apostasy.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 6:42 All these crimes that are not even really crimes and they'll kill you.

Joe Rogan 6:45 That's crazy that that's happening in 2020. That's the thing that people... When, when people are not afraid of dictatorships or of the governor- government running wild in America, I always try to tell them, like, North Korea is happening right now.

Kyle Kulinski 6:59 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 6:59 Those are human beings.

Kyle Kulinski 7:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 7:01 Those are human beings that went down a path. Is it likely that we'll go down that same path? No. But human beings have been going down those paths from the beginning of language, from the beginning of time.

Kyle Kulinski 7:12 The strongman is a big... You know?

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:14 The idea of a strongman, the dictator, the person I call all the shots.

Joe Rogan 7:17 That's why everybody's scar- terrified of Trump. That's why a lot of intellectuals were terrified of Trump. They didn't like that language. They didn't like, they didn't like th- what people were attracted to about him 'cause they knew where that led.

Kyle Kulinski 7:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:29 They didn't like... Like, what was the... It was a phrase that he said once where we was talking about, uh, "I wish I was a dictator. It would be a lot easier." Remember that?

Kyle Kulinski 7:37 I, I don't remember that. No.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:38 I feel like I would remember that quote. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 7:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yeah. It was so... He did-

Kyle Kulinski 7:41 It was one I remember.

Joe Rogan 7:42 ... he did something like that. Something like that.

Kyle Kulinski 7:43 Something like that.

Tim Dillon 7:44 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:44 He's like, "If I was a dictator, this job would be easier," or something.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 7:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:47 I think, you know, someone was calling him a dictator and he's like, "I wish I was a dictator." But that's... He had... Him lamenting the paperwork that he has to go through and all the-

Kyle Kulinski 7:55 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 7:55 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:56 Lamenting the paperwork, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 And the meetings.

Tim Dillon 7:57 He's joking. I mean, listen.

Kyle Kulinski 7:57 This is... The thing that drove me crazy is that, like... So you had under Bush and you had under Obama, um, basically the expansion of the security state, and you had, like, the Patriot Act, NSA spying, all these tools that are authoritarian tools that the government can use. And Trump correctly, when he ran, spoke about ending the wars and... But then he gets in power and the wars continue.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 8:18 And then he gets in power... He didn't dismant-... He talks all the time about how, "The Obama campaign was spying on me." And I'm watching it like, "If only you were in a position of power to do something about that, like disband the NSA."

Tim Dillon 8:27 But it weirdly-

Kyle Kulinski 8:28 Stop the NSA spying.

Joe Rogan 8:29 That's, that's a good way to get shot.

Tim Dillon 8:30 Yeah, yeah. That's a good way to get-

Joe Rogan 8:32 Put you in a convertible.

Kyle Kulinski 8:32 Actually, Chuck Schumer-

Joe Rogan 8:33 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 8:33 ... made that point too when he was on MSNBC. He had a moment of honesty where he was like, "You don't mess with the guys in the intelligence agencies because they got a thousand ways to Sunday to get back at you."

Tim Dillon 8:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:41 Yeah. Well, that was one of the things that he said to Trump. Glen, Glen Gleam- Glenn Greenwald-

Kyle Kulinski 8:45 Glen brought that up. That's right.

Joe Rogan 8:46 ... brought that up in the podcast as well.

Kyle Kulinski 8:47 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:47 Mm-hmm. Well, also, it doesn't seem like Biden is more of a war hawk though in a weird way? And Kamala is more of a war hawk. It's about Russia. They're talking about Trump's too friendly with North Korea. He's too friendly with Russia.

Kyle Kulinski 8:56 Yes, on those issues, absolutely.

Tim Dillon 8:57 It's kinda weird. I'm like, "Shouldn't we be friendly with these nuclear powers that could-"

Joe Rogan 9:01 That... But isn't that just to court the people on the right that maybe you're... They find him distasteful?

Tim Dillon 9:05 No, no, no.

Kyle Kulinski 9:06 It could... No, no, no.

Tim Dillon 9:06 I don't know.

Kyle Kulinski 9:06 I think... Well, listen, Biden was part of the Obama administration. We don't have to guess they continued the wars. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 9:12 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 9:12 And so I think Biden will continue the wars. And to your point, yes, there are specific issues like Russia where what the Democrats say happens to be more hawkish.

Tim Dillon 9:20 It's more bellicose-

Kyle Kulinski 9:21 You know?

Joe Rogan 9:21 Right.

Tim Dillon 9:21 ... than what the Republicans say.

Kyle Kulinski 9:22 Um, but the thing that drives me crazy is that whenever any of them get in power, none of them just end the wars. None of them get out of Iraq. None of them get out of Afghanistan. Every now and then, Trump will fire off a tweet where he's like, "We're getting out."

Joe Rogan 9:32 Well, don-

Kyle Kulinski 9:32 And then one of his generals behind the scenes is like, "No, we're not."

Joe Rogan 9:34 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 9:34 And he's like, "You're right, we're not. I was wrong about that." (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:37 Can we afford, can we afford to get out of the wars? This is an ugly question.

Kyle Kulinski 9:40 Can we afford-

Tim Dillon 9:40 Can we afford to stop the wars now?

Joe Rogan 9:43 Afford?

Tim Dillon 9:44 Yeah. Isn't it a moneymaker? Isn't that why we're there?

Kyle Kulinski 9:46 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:47 Well, military-industrial complex, sure.

Tim Dillon 9:48 I mean, isn't it a tough-

Kyle Kulinski 9:48 There are a lot of people that make a lot of money from it.

Tim Dillon 9:50 It's just... It's a tough economy. Maybe we stop the wars in a couple of years.

Joe Rogan 9:53 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:54 I mean, I don't know. I think-

Kyle Kulinski 9:55 No. And actually, one time on CNN-

Tim Dillon 9:57 It just seems like an odd time.

Kyle Kulinski 9:58 Wolf Blitzer actually said that to Paul Ro- or, uh, I'm sorry, Rand Paul. When Rand Paul made that argument, he was like, "We should not be giving weapons to, to Saudi Arabia." Um, and Wolf Blitzer's response was, "Yeah, but what about the jobs?"

Joe Rogan 10:10 Right.

Tim Dillon 10:10 Did he really say that?

Kyle Kulinski 10:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:11 That's crazy.

Tim Dillon 10:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:12 That's so crazy.

Tim Dillon 10:13 He's like, "I mean, listen, I know you don't want, like, babies to be bombed in Yemen by Saudi Arabia, but then again, Raytheon needs to make some money. What are you gonna do?"

Kyle Kulinski 10:19 It's such a dirty game.

Joe Rogan 10:21 I ran into him in a hotel in Vegas. Oh...

Kyle Kulinski 10:24 Does he exist as an actual person? Because-

Tim Dillon 10:26 He's a human. He's a human.

Kyle Kulinski 10:26 ... he's a robot, right?

Joe Rogan 10:27 He was coming, he was coming out of the elevator, and I was coming towards him. And he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I wanted to go, "Hey, man, can I ask you some questions?"

Kyle Kulinski 10:35 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 10:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:35 "Just a few fucking minutes."

Kyle Kulinski 10:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:37 And then I, I didn't. I just said, "Hey, what's up?" And I just got in the elevator, and I went, "Ah, you should've fucking talked to him."

Kyle Kulinski 10:42 He's what I alluded to before, which is the reason why he's on CNN for 47 hours a day is because that guy is not gonna rock the boat.

Joe Rogan 10:49 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 10:49 That guy is gonna ask the questions-

Joe Rogan 10:50 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 10:50 ... that the people in power want him to ask.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Right. Exactly, exactly. That's what's weird about the system, right? What's weird about the system when you see people like Chris Cuomo, uh, t- talking to his brother and you know he's never gonna bring up the nursing home thing. It's like-

Kyle Kulinski 11:05 And they... And he was on CNN, like, every week.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Yeah. You get this one chance to talk... I mean, you've got a real issue. You got a real issue that, uh-

Kyle Kulinski 11:11 Beyond... As serious as it gets, life and death issue, and he's directly in charge of it.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 11:15 He could fix it, and his brother's throwing softballs, talking about, you know-

Joe Rogan 11:18 Meatballs.

Kyle Kulinski 11:18 "Hey, remember we had meatballs the other week with-

Tim Dillon 11:20 Ugh.

Kyle Kulinski 11:20 ... uh, with the family?"

Joe Rogan 11:21 "This fucking guy. Don't call me Fredo."

Kyle Kulinski 11:23 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 11:23 Yeah, they're... I mean, they're disgusting people.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:25 Um...

Joe Rogan 11:25 Well, you know, you know the fake weight controversy? I've been in- involved-

Tim Dillon 11:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:29 ... in the fake weight controversy.

Kyle Kulinski 11:30 Fake weight controversy?

Joe Rogan 11:31 Fake weight.

Kyle Kulinski 11:32 Oh, fake weight?

Joe Rogan 11:32 Fake weight. 'Cause I bought into it-... I was like, "Maybe he's just really strong." I thought he was bigger than he was and I, I didn't realize how hard it is to lift a 100-pound dumbbell, which sounds ridiculous because I work out, but I don't, I don't-

Kyle Kulinski 11:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:43 ... do that, those kind of workouts. I'm like, "Maybe he's just really strong." And everybody was like, "You're out of your fucking mind. Like, there's no way. A, a, are you a moron?" Like-

Kyle Kulinski 11:50 People were analyzing that like Building 7.

Joe Rogan 11:52 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 11:52 Like, they were, like, freeze frame, you know-

Joe Rogan 11:54 They're right, though, 'cause-

Kyle Kulinski 11:54 ... like, take a look. Yeah, I'm sure they are, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:55 ... I talked to Robert Oberst and, uh, Rob Kearney, who are real... those are, these guys are real strongmen, you know? Rob Kearney is, like, one of the strongest, I think he's the strongest man pound-for-pound in his, in his weight class. And then, uh, Robert Oberst is a, a legitimate giant. He's, like, 300-plus pounds and he's, like, he would have to be one of the strongest men I've ever seen in my life.

Kyle Kulinski 12:14 So-

Joe Rogan 12:14 Like, there's no way.

Kyle Kulinski 12:15 ... let me, just so-

Joe Rogan 12:15 The way he handled that dumbbell-

Kyle Kulinski 12:16 ... I fill in the gaps here, Chris Cuomo is releasing videos of himself working out?

Joe Rogan 12:20 No.

Kyle Kulinski 12:20 That was a photo.

Joe Rogan 12:21 Worse, sitting at a desk with a dumbbell that says 100 pounds on it, where these "experts" are saying there's no way it could be 100 pounds.

Kyle Kulinski 12:29 Dude, you're a news guy. What are you doing? Like-

Joe Rogan 12:30 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 12:31 ... no- nobody wants to see you do that.

Joe Rogan 12:32 But, th- this, there's a lot of weirdness too, right? Like, how come they never brought up those tapes, the Michael Cohen tapes that Tucker Carlson was playing over and over and over again where he's preparing Michael Cohen for the questions that he's gonna ask him on CNN?

Kyle Kulinski 12:43 Who was preparing Michael Cohen?

Joe Rogan 12:45 Chris Cuomo was.

Kyle Kulinski 12:46 Chris Cu- Chris Cuomo-

Joe Rogan 12:46 You never saw that?

Kyle Kulinski 12:47 ... was preparing Mi- No, no, no, I never saw that.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Yeah, 'cause you're a fucking full-on legend.

Kyle Kulinski 12:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:50 And you don't even watch-

Kyle Kulinski 12:50 You act like, first of all, you're a- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:52 It's funny that you think I-

Kyle Kulinski 12:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:53 ... sit around and watch CNN and MSNBC all day. Are you fucking kidding me? It's not even that.

Kyle Kulinski 12:56 I never waste my life-

Joe Rogan 12:57 It's Fox.

Kyle Kulinski 12:58 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Fox would have spent day after day gr- like, going over these tapes.

Kyle Kulinski 13:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Because I don't know how they got the tapes. It's never been clear.

Kyle Kulinski 13:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:06 But it's Chris Cuomo ... It's like, I think Michael Cohen probably bugged his room and taped all of his conversations and probably gave it to Tucker Carlson. Like, maybe he's making some sort of behind-the-scenes deals, because Cohen is, you know, he's been known to be a guy who-

Kyle Kulinski 13:22 He's Trump's fixer.

Joe Rogan 13:23 He's a fixer.

Kyle Kulinski 13:24 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 13:24 He's, he does sleazy shit.

Kyle Kulinski 13:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:25 And his, his thing with this was, they were preparing him for the questions. You know, like, Chris Cuomo was telling him how to answer the questions-

Kyle Kulinski 13:36 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:36 ... that he was gonna when it came to the payoff money for Stormy Daniels-

Kyle Kulinski 13:39 Sure.

Joe Rogan 13:39 ... and all that stuff.

Kyle Kulinski 13:39 Sure. Which, by the way, you know, I, I really think that that's a perfect example of a kind of politics that simply doesn't work anymore. Back in like 1987, you wanna have a story about like, "Oh, the president fucked a porn star," or whatever, people would be all over it and they'd be like, "Oh my God, this is, this is ending him." These days?

Joe Rogan 13:54 Depends on the president. Depends on the president.

Kyle Kulinski 13:56 It depends on the president, but really what Trump shows is that all it takes to override scandals like that, I'm not saying all scandals, I'm saying scandals like that-

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 14:04 ... is you puff your chest out and you say, "Wrong. Wrong. I don't wanna do any of this. We're gonna talk about something else now." And eventually people go, "All right, I think we're gonna talk about something else now."

Joe Rogan 14:12 Well, it's, everybody knows he fucks girls.

Kyle Kulinski 14:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:16 Like, this is not confusing. Like, who isn't-

Kyle Kulinski 14:18 Yeah, he was the, the ... He ran the Miss Universe Pageant.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Yes, that's right.

Kyle Kulinski 14:21 Well, he's-

Joe Rogan 14:22 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 14:22 He's a famous billionaire-

Joe Rogan 14:24 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 14:24 ... who's had multiple wives.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 14:27 Mm-hmm. And, you know, he's, he's that fucking guy.

Joe Rogan 14:30 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 14:30 Like, mover, shaker guy. But the best example of this is remember when they released the Access Hollywood tape?

Joe Rogan 14:35 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 14:35 And, you know, he was caught on tape saying, "I grab 'em by the pussy. I don't even wait." And then the media, I don't know if you remember the media reaction to that, but they were all convinced, like, that's it, the race is over.

Joe Rogan 14:44 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 14:44 He's gonna drop out, Pence is gonna take over, and it's gonna be Pence versus Hillary Clinton. And his response to that, I think, showed this new era of politics, which is actually brilliant. You always go on the offense. So what he did is at the next debate, he brought all of Bill Clinton's accusers-

Joe Rogan 15:00 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 15:00 ... and he had like six of them sitting there.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 15:02 And then when they asked him that question, which, by the way, of course, was like the first question they asked him-

Joe Rogan 15:05 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 15:06 ... he was like, "Listen, I'm not proud of what I said, but what I said was just words. It was just words."

Joe Rogan 15:10 Locker room talk.

Kyle Kulinski 15:11 "What Bill did was actions. What he did was actions and they're all right there. Bill, I think you should apologize to these people right here." And what you do is you flip it-

Joe Rogan 15:18 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 15:18 And you go on the offense.

Joe Rogan 15:19 Yeah. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 15:19 And then the best defense is a good offense, and then he made it a wash. The issue was now awash.

Joe Rogan 15:22 But also, in his case, that is a really good argument. This is not like-

Kyle Kulinski 15:26 Of course it's a good argument. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 It's not like a regular person.

Kyle Kulinski 15:29 Listen, listen-

Joe Rogan 15:29 He's talking about Bill Clinton, who's married to Hillary Clinton, who was his opponent. So her calling him a sexual predator is rich. I mean, that, that's rich.

Kyle Kulinski 15:37 That's right. And also, let, let's be serious. It just diverts from what we're really supposed to be talking about when we're discussing the most powerful person in the world. Tell me what you're gonna do with the economy.

Joe Rogan 15:46 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 15:47 Tell me what you're gonna do with taxes.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 15:48 Tell me what you're gonna do with infrastructure. Tell me what you're gonna do with foreign policy. And if we're not having that conversation, I do think most Americans, there's something in them where they're just like, "This is not serious."

Joe Rogan 15:57 You know what? Let me ask you this. You, you, you see, you say that he should have ended these wars, he should have disbanded the NSA. Do, do-

Kyle Kulinski 16:04 I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far. Just stop the spying.

Joe Rogan 16:05 I don't, I don't even think it's possible. First of all, I don't think the president has that kind of power. I, I'm ignorant-

Kyle Kulinski 16:10 Well, technically he does.

Joe Rogan 16:11 ... I-

Kyle Kulinski 16:11 Like, technically he can 'cause that's an executive agency and he controls the executive agencies.

Joe Rogan 16:14 So he could literally disband the NSA?

Kyle Kulinski 16:18 He could do whatever he wants with any of the executive agencies. So he can. Well, that gets back to what we were saying before. Yeah. The Schumer point of like, no, they are gonna fuck with you. And we're, we've seen that.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Right. But, but don't you think there's ... I mean, for sure, s- some shady things have been done. But don't you think there's some benefit to having a really powerful agency like the NSA that understands how to spy on bad people and make sure-

Kyle Kulinski 16:41 Only if-

Joe Rogan 16:41 ... they don't get away with shit?

Kyle Kulinski 16:42 You have due process. Only if you follow the Constitution and have due process.

Joe Rogan 16:46 But how can you do that and still spy on people without warrants?

Kyle Kulinski 16:49 You gotta show evidence. You gotta, you gotta show evidence to a judge, a judge will approve it, and then you can spy. But the way-

Joe Rogan 16:54 What if that judge has a big mouth?

Kyle Kulinski 16:55 But the way it works now, you know, FISA courts, it's just a rubber stamp-

Joe Rogan 16:57 Mm-hmm. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 16:57 ... where they say, "Oh, we wanna spy on this person." They don't even look. "Ah, whatever, that's fine. Just go spy on them." And that's where we are where we are now, where the NSA could take everybody's metadata, everybody's information, and they could spy on you nonstop. So, you know, i- if you do it and you follow the Constitution and you follow the law and you have a, you know, a, a reason and you follow due process, well then everybody's okay with it 'cause that's just called regular police work.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Kennedy wanted to disband the NSA, right?

Kyle Kulinski 17:22 And now he's dead. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:23 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 17:23 No, uh, CIA.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Yeah, he was before.

Kyle Kulinski 17:25 It was CIA.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Before, before we were born.

Kyle Kulinski 17:26 He, he wanted-

Joe Rogan 17:26 Wasn't it just the CIA?

Kyle Kulinski 17:26 He, I think he was going after the CIA. He wanted to give a lot of the peacetime military, uh, the intelligence gathering capabilities to the Pentagon, to the military, and kinda get rid of the CIA's 24/7 c- Unaccountable.

Joe Rogan 17:38 Yeah, unaccountable, you know ... War machine.

Kyle Kulinski 17:41 And look at what happened. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:43 Yeah. There was probably a lot of reasons why he was shot.

Kyle Kulinski 17:47 I mean-

Joe Rogan 17:47 ... I mean, there's probably multiple-

Kyle Kulinski 17:49 Maybe Marilyn Manson was pissed and hired a hit man or something. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Uh, not Marilyn Manson.

Kyle Kulinski 17:54 Oh, Marilyn Monroe. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:56 He didn't anger-

Joe Rogan 17:56 Oh, Marilyn Monroe. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:56 He didn't anger everybody.

Kyle Kulinski 17:57 New conspiracy, Marilyn Manson is fucking JFK. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 18:00 It says, it says something nice about our country that the Deep State hasn't tried to kill Trump. I think that's like a nice thing.

Kyle Kulinski 18:07 Well, well-

Tim Dillon 18:07 It says something, it says something nice.

Kyle Kulinski 18:10 He's keeping the wars going, right? He's keeping the wars going.

Tim Dillon 18:12 Well, sure, but I also think it's maybe they're getting a little softer.

Kyle Kulinski 18:16 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 18:16 A little bit more-

Joe Rogan 18:17 More progressive.

Tim Dillon 18:18 They're more progressive or whatever it is. But I think it's nice that they... 'Cause they were killing everyone. Remember Bobby Kennedy, JFK, MLK. I mean, it was just-

Joe Rogan 18:24 There was a period, yeah.

Tim Dillon 18:25 It was just, it was spraying bullets at everybody. And now, it's kind of a light touch. "We'll, we'll say he's a Soviet agent or we'll..."

Joe Rogan 18:32 Did you read that book that I told you about Chaos, that Tom O'Neill book?

Tim Dillon 18:35 I read a few chapters of it, it's amazing.

Joe Rogan 18:37 It gets into that, it gets into-

Kyle Kulinski 18:38 Really good.

Joe Rogan 18:38 ... Bobby Kennedy at the end.

Tim Dillon 18:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:40 Like that, that, uh-

Tim Dillon 18:41 The whole era.

Joe Rogan 18:42 ... Charlie West guy, the CIA guy-

Tim Dillon 18:43 Yeah, MKUltra, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 That guy was involved with Jack Ruby. That guy was involved with, uh-

Tim Dillon 18:48 Sirhan Sirhan.

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... Sirhan Sirhan.

Tim Dillon 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 He was involved with-

Tim Dillon 18:51 You should hear Robert, Robert Kennedy talk about it on the, uh, Mike Tyson podcast.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Really?

Tim Dillon 18:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Yeah?

Tim Dillon 18:57 They have trai- uh, record of all eight bullets that got fired out of that gun, and they weren't fired at, uh, Robert, I believe is the way he- That whole era was just a lie. Like that whole era was just-

Joe Rogan 19:08 Lot of lying.

Tim Dillon 19:09 Yeah, lot of lying.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Lot of fibs.

Tim Dillon 19:10 Lot of fibs.

Kyle Kulinski 19:11 You know, but eventually Vietnam ended and we're still in Iraq-

Joe Rogan 19:14 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 19:14 ... we're still in Afghanistan.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Yeah, well Vietnam-

Kyle Kulinski 19:16 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 19:17 ... we c- we talk about it like it was such a long war. It wasn't shit compared to Afghanistan.

Kyle Kulinski 19:21 Afghanistan, 2001 we started it.

Joe Rogan 19:22 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 19:23 It's 19 years.

Joe Rogan 19:23 Yeah, it's crazy.

Tim Dillon 19:24 Who is still in Afghan, like?

Kyle Kulinski 19:26 We still have about, I wanna say about 5,000 or 6,000 troops there.

Tim Dillon 19:30 Wow. Okay. 'Cause I have friends that have done like three tours there and now they're back. Like people have gone three or four tours, entire, you know, chunks of their life in that war. People forget it's even happened.

Kyle Kulinski 19:41 I covered a story on my show, there was a father and a son. There was an article in some military outlet where the dad is talking about how, "Now, my son is going to the same war that I fought in."

Joe Rogan 19:51 Oof.

Kyle Kulinski 19:51 And, you know, I pulled up a cartoon that was drawn in like '07 or something, where somebody made that joke. Joking around like, "Yeah, ha ha, oh, father and son going to the same war." Then it happened.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 20:02 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 20:02 It's really disturbing.

Tim Dillon 20:03 But, you know, it's, if, you know, if you're into it, then maybe they like it.

Kyle Kulinski 20:07 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:07 I mean, that's, certain families wanna be... Some people just wanna go to war. I have friends that are in the military 'cause they like to kill and they want-

Kyle Kulinski 20:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 20:16 ... they need to go kill somewhere.

Joe Rogan 20:18 What?

Tim Dillon 20:18 That's le- it's true.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Well, don't you think they think they're doing it for a good reason?

Tim Dillon 20:22 No.

Kyle Kulinski 20:22 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:22 Not, not the people from Long Island that I know. No.

Joe Rogan 20:26 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:26 The people from Long Island and Boston that I know, no, they just, they, they... Anything's a good reason for them, you know.

Kyle Kulinski 20:33 Yeah, I mean-

Tim Dillon 20:33 But we gotta have a sting for people, right... There's g-... And you know more about violence than anybody. There's gotta be something f- where violent people can go and be productive.

Joe Rogan 20:41 They need an outlet. They need an outlet.

Tim Dillon 20:42 They need an outlet. As long as it's-

Joe Rogan 20:42 I've had conversations with people ab- about violence where they're like, you know, like, "Violence has no place in our society." And they, they, they, they think that the UFC is bad for society. I'm like-

Tim Dillon 20:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:52 ... those are some of the... I've seen so few brawls at UFCs, it's, it's amazing.

Tim Dillon 20:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:57 I've been to hundreds of those things. I don't know how many times I've ever seen a fight, like maybe three, four times?

Tim Dillon 21:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 Never.

Tim Dillon 21:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:03 And those are drunks.

Tim Dillon 21:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:04 You know.

Kyle Kulinski 21:04 Yeah, but something like that's a good outlet-

Joe Rogan 21:06 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 21:06 ... for the kinda instincts that you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 21:08 You know.

Joe Rogan 21:08 Gets it out of people's system.

Kyle Kulinski 21:10 Like, I don't give a fuck if you wanna voluntarily have a duel like it's the Old West. You know, go out there and walk 10 paces and turn around and shoot.

Joe Rogan 21:17 We've had presidents that have done that.

Kyle Kulinski 21:18 Try it.

Joe Rogan 21:19 We've had presidents that had duels-

Kyle Kulinski 21:20 Try it.

Joe Rogan 21:20 ... while they were in office.

Tim Dillon 21:21 Yeah, Burr, Burr and, uh, Hamilton, right? It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:24 I think so.

Kyle Kulinski 21:25 Hm, let me look that one up for you. I'm pretty sure it is though.

Joe Rogan 21:27 Yeah, it's, uh-

Tim Dillon 21:28 I believe it's them.

Joe Rogan 21:28 ... what's really crazy is how recent that was.

Tim Dillon 21:31 That was pretty-

Kyle Kulinski 21:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:33 It was... (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 21:33 Not that long ago when people are shitting in outhouses and wearing powder blue.

Tim Dillon 21:35 But I mean, Trump and Biden are talking about beating each other up. Like it, it, we could see it going-

Kyle Kulinski 21:39 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:39 ... back to that.

Kyle Kulinski 21:40 How long would that last? 12 seconds? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:42 It would be amazing.

Kyle Kulinski 21:43 The both gas out.

Joe Rogan 21:44 The Burr-Hamilton duel, look at that.

Tim Dillon 21:47 Vice president versus Secretary of Treasury.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Oh, so the vice president-

Tim Dillon 21:50 What? Oh my God, it occurred early in the morning-

Kyle Kulinski 21:52 So that'd be like-

Joe Rogan 21:53 ... of July 11th, 18, 11th, 1804. Wow, 220 years ago.

Kyle Kulinski 21:56 That's like Mike Pence and Steve Mnuchin dueling today.

Tim Dillon 21:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:58 The culmination of a long and bitter rivalry between the two men. Wow. Burr shot Hamilton, while Hamilton, Hamilton's shot broke a tree branch above and beyond Burr's head. Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard Jr. Hamilton died at 2:00 the following afternoon. Wow, that's heavy. That's heavy.

Tim Dillon 22:22 That was back before the, the, you had people doing it, before you had the agencies and the underground people.

Joe Rogan 22:26 That was just, that was just people.

Tim Dillon 22:27 It was just people. Yeah, just muskets and just dudes being dudes.

Kyle Kulinski 22:31 If they wanna do it, isn't that the ultimate, like, you know, libertarian argument? Like, "Go ahead. Stop fucking bothering me."

Joe Rogan 22:36 I believe there's places in America, I think Arizona might be one of them-

Kyle Kulinski 22:40 Still legal.

Joe Rogan 22:40 ... where you can still engage in a duel. 'Cause I believe I r- I read a story about a cop who, uh, had a duel with a guy who was fucking his wife.

Tim Dillon 22:49 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 22:50 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 22:51 A duel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:53 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 22:53 AKA shot him-

Joe Rogan 22:54 That was- ... back of the head or something. That was why it was controversial.

Tim Dillon 22:56 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:56 But I think they had... You know, you know how like some places have mutual combat laws, like Seattle has a mutual combat law where the cops will stand by. Like if two guys wanna fight, the co-

Tim Dillon 23:06 Oh, is that why like the Proud Boys and Antifa, when they go at it in Seattle, the cops don't do anything?

Joe Rogan 23:10 I don't know.

Tim Dillon 23:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:11 It's kind of interesting. I'm once... I, I think they're just overwhelmed.

Tim Dillon 23:13 I get it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:14 But I think in Seattle, in particular, I know-

Tim Dillon 23:16 Two people wanna fight, you can stand by.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Yeah, there was a guy named Phoenix Jones. He was, uh, um, fucking, uh, I'm co- forget his name, but he was, he called himself Phoenix Jones. But he was an, an actual MMA fighter who would go around and hi- his brother was a fairly successful MMA fighter. And he would go around wearing a superhero costume and, yeah, and literally fight crime. Like if he would see people doing things, he would stop people. And there's a video of him with his superhero costume, beating the shit out of somebody, 'cause some guy decided to fight with him and the cops were literally standing there, while this one guy's bouncing on the tips of his toes, on the balls of his feet rather, moving, leg kicks the guy, leg kicks the guy again. You're like, "Oh my God, like this poor bastard." Some poor drunk is just getting lit up by a guy who's a-

Tim Dillon 24:03 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 24:04 ... trained MMA fighter with a superhero costume on.

Tim Dillon 24:06 At what point do they step in? I mean, they'd have to step in at a certain point, right?

Joe Rogan 24:09 When he's about to beat him to death, probably.

Tim Dillon 24:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:11 But it, but the problem is on the concrete, any punch could result in your death.

Tim Dillon 24:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:16 Because if you fall and bounce your head off the thing, you could easily die.

Tim Dillon 24:18 Could be over.

Joe Rogan 24:19 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 24:19 That's right.

Joe Rogan 24:20 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 24:20 By the way, I almost did that today.

Joe Rogan 24:22 You almost fell?

Kyle Kulinski 24:23 I did fall, (laughs) but I almost hit my head. I'm lucky I didn't.

Joe Rogan 24:26 What happened?

Kyle Kulinski 24:26 I was on one of those stupid, uh, Uber scooter things.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Oh, no.

Kyle Kulinski 24:30 Yeah, it was bad.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Oh, no. Kyle.

Kyle Kulinski 24:31 And then as I was falling, I was like, "I'm fucking 32 years old, what am I even doing here?"

Joe Rogan 24:36 Well, not only that, you're about to do the most important podcast of your life.

Kyle Kulinski 24:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:39 This is when Trump wins his re-election.

Kyle Kulinski 24:41 People would've enjoyed it if they saw giant scars. I actually got one here.

Joe Rogan 24:43 Kyle was telling me how Trump's not gonna win, and it sounded kinda persuasive. Okay, give me the, give me the rundown. What was going on?

Kyle Kulinski 24:50 Right, 'cause I'm not, it's not me, I'm just relaying the information. So-

Joe Rogan 24:53 Well, it's okay. I know you hate him. Just kinda tell us-

Kyle Kulinski 24:55 I do, but I hate Biden too. Jamie, I DM'd you this if you wanna pull it up, but, um, the first thing here is, this is basically every single presidential election and where the polls were going into that day.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 25:07 And basically, the Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump election was the only election where somebody had a four-point lead, as Hillary had, and then she lost the electoral college. She won the popular vote, but she lost the electoral college. Biden made-

Joe Rogan 25:19 Wasn't that the case with Gore as well?

Kyle Kulinski 25:20 Um, with Gore, well, he was, Bush was up versus Gore 3.6% percentage points nationally.

Joe Rogan 25:27 But didn't Gore win the, um-

Kyle Kulinski 25:29 He did end up-

Joe Rogan 25:29 ... popular vote?

Kyle Kulinski 25:30 ... winning it by a razor-thin margin, but the point is, the polling going into that day was Bush up 3.6.

Joe Rogan 25:35 Look at this. Um, 2020, Biden up 8.6. Wow, that's high.

Kyle Kulinski 25:40 And then Clinton three points, 3.9, Obama .3 in 2012, uh, Obama 6.7.

Joe Rogan 25:46 What? 2012 he was only up .3?

Kyle Kulinski 25:49 Y- he ended up winning the electoral college with, I wanna say, about 330 electoral votes. Um, but yeah, he was up. Nationally-

Joe Rogan 25:55 Why was he so-

Kyle Kulinski 25:55 ... he was only up .3.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Why was he so low? That was against Mitt Romney?

Kyle Kulinski 25:58 That was against Mitt Romney, yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 26:00 I had no idea, I thought he cruised through that.

Kyle Kulinski 26:02 Well, he did in terms of the electoral college numbers, but nationally it was a very even race, which is why-

Joe Rogan 26:07 But that's-

Kyle Kulinski 26:07 ... they treat it as such throughout the election.

Joe Rogan 26:09 But that's the polling.

Kyle Kulinski 26:10 Right, that's the national polling, which-

Joe Rogan 26:12 But that's so low.

Kyle Kulinski 26:14 Yeah, that one is a little bit surprising. I would've guessed he would've had a five-point lead or something like that. But anyway, as you can see here, like, we, we have to go back to what, uh, Clinton in '96 when he absolutely, uh, landslided, I think it was Dole, in '96.

Joe Rogan 26:25 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 26:26 And you gotta go back to Reagan in 1984, plus 17.7 and, and I guess, uh, H.W. Bush as well, plus 10.1. Like, basically, yes, the, the national number is not the most important 'cause the electoral college is what matters, but Biden has, has never been down in a, in the national number at any point throughout the race. And then when you go to the swing states, uh, Trump's path is just so razor-thin where he can't have anything go wrong for him. So, he needs to win Flori- he has, he has to win Florida or he's done. If he loses Florida, it's over tonight.

Joe Rogan 26:57 Isn't Florida filled with old people, though?

Kyle Kulinski 26:59 Yeah, but, but-

Joe Rogan 26:59 I was just, I was in Florida-

Kyle Kulinski 27:01 ... Biden, Biden now is winning on old people.

Joe Rogan 27:02 ... and it's ... I was in Florida, and I'm telling you right now, they love Trump in Florida.

Kyle Kulinski 27:06 But it's-

Joe Rogan 27:06 There's a lot of signs, there's a lot of enthusiasm. Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 27:09 And it is a, it is a legit swing state. Like, I think the average is Biden's only up like two points there in, uh, for the race. But it is a genuine swing state, but he's winning now with old people, Biden is.

Joe Rogan 27:19 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 27:19 He's winning with that demographic.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Because the way Trump handled COVID?

Kyle Kulinski 27:22 Probably because of COVID, that's right.

Joe Rogan 27:24 So, they're scared. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 27:25 I don't know what their reasoning is, but I just know that that's what the numbers are showing right now.

Joe Rogan 27:28 What could've be- been done differently for COVID?

Kyle Kulinski 27:30 Well, we, we've actually talked about this quite a bit. M- listen, my, I'm not a doctor, I'm not an expert-

Joe Rogan 27:35 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Kyle Kulinski 27:35 ... I'm just an idiot.

Joe Rogan 27:36 You're not?

Kyle Kulinski 27:37 (laughs) I'll go get my medical degree.

Joe Rogan 27:40 You got our food?

Jamie Vernon 27:41 Uh, do you want me to bring it in here?

Joe Rogan 27:42 Yeah, motherfucker.

Jamie Vernon 27:43 All right. One second.

Joe Rogan 27:44 Um, I see you over there eating. You're out of your mind.

Jamie Vernon 27:47 Yeah, I am. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:47 I saw you pull those bags. We, we ordered McDonald's, uh, in tribute to Donald Trump, if this is his last election.

Kyle Kulinski 27:53 A- actually, honestly, this is in tribute to me-

Joe Rogan 27:54 This is what-

Kyle Kulinski 27:54 ... 'cause I eat McDonald's probably more than anybody on the planet. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:55 Whether, whether he, whether he wins or loses, he's done a lot of great things to unite the country.

Jamie Vernon 28:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:01 Whoa.

Kyle Kulinski 28:01 I mean, I think that we all have to remember that.

Joe Rogan 28:03 This is gonna be quoted on someone's blog tomorrow.

Jamie Vernon 28:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:07 The same people that called you a, uh, far-right conspiracy theorist.

Kyle Kulinski 28:11 I can't believe it.

Joe Rogan 28:13 Who, who called you that?

Jamie Vernon 28:14 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 28:14 I don't know, the text log.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Somebody.

Kyle Kulinski 28:15 People with p- pink hair and-

Joe Rogan 28:17 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 28:17 ... you know, people that are angry.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Yeah, the same people that were, uh, saying that we had an anti-vax message in the Alex Jones podcast.

Kyle Kulinski 28:24 Right. W- listen, you guys were really trying to fact check everything. That was pretty clear to me.

Joe Rogan 28:28 Well, not only that, the thing that he said was absolutely true. The thing he said about the one vaccine that, uh, Bill Gates is promoting, that has 80% of the people that took it got sick.

Kyle Kulinski 28:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 28:38 But is he, I'm sure he, he, is he against all vaccines now?

Joe Rogan 28:41 No, he's not.

Kyle Kulinski 28:41 He's not? Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:42 No, no. The thing is, like, look, that, Alex Jones is fucked up, right? He really fucked up with the, um, the Sandy Hook thing. Really fucked up. He's had some mental health issues, he's had some st- substance issues, particularly with booze. And he also is constantly around conspiracies. And I think you get legitimately psychotic when you, you delve down those roads. I think you lose your fucking mind.

Kyle Kulinski 29:06 Mm-hmm.

Jamie Vernon 29:06 It's a tough one.

Joe Rogan 29:07 And he lost his fucking mind.

Jamie Vernon 29:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:08 He lost his fucking mind on more than one occasion. He has. But he's not-

Kyle Kulinski 29:12 And he knows he's made mistakes.

Joe Rogan 29:13 ... what everybody says he is.

Jamie Vernon 29:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Is your mic on? Jamie, I think your mic's on. It's very loud over there.

Jamie Vernon 29:17 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 29:18 He knows he's made mistakes.

Joe Rogan 29:19 Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 29:19 He said on the show that he wants to, you know, correct his mistakes. Like, this is the, um-

Joe Rogan 29:22 But the thing is, he also gives out a lot of real information.

Kyle Kulinski 29:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:27 He's, he's a- I had three.

Jamie Vernon 29:30 There's a third one in there.

Joe Rogan 29:30 Yeah, is there a third one in there? What'd you get?

Kyle Kulinski 29:32 I didn't get anything.

Joe Rogan 29:33 You didn't get anything?

Kyle Kulinski 29:33 I had nachos right before I came in here.

Joe Rogan 29:35 What? I thought this was for you. No, it was for you.

Jamie Vernon 29:37 Yeah, two Filet-o-Fish for me.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 29:39 Thank you.

Kyle Kulinski 29:40 It's the first time in my life-

Joe Rogan 29:41 For Trump.

Kyle Kulinski 29:41 ... I've ever passed on McDonald's, for the record.

Joe Rogan 29:43 For the first time.

Jamie Vernon 29:43 Best tonight.

Joe Rogan 29:44 Outrageous.

Kyle Kulinski 29:44 You got a Filet-o-Fish?

Joe Rogan 29:46 Three of them.

Kyle Kulinski 29:46 Yeah, they're great. You're the only person who gets the Filet-o-Fish on a menu. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:50 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 29:50 Dude, that's why they're massively popular. What?

Joe Rogan 29:52 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 29:52 I've never seen anybody eat one. It's a black ... first of all, black people love them, they call them the McFish.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Do they?

Kyle Kulinski 29:57 That's true. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:58 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 29:58 It's not racist, that's a fact. I've never heard that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:01 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 30:01 I've heard a lot of black people say, "Can I have a McFish?" and I think it's great.

Joe Rogan 30:03 Well, that seems, it seems racist, but I don't think it is.

Kyle Kulinski 30:05 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 30:05 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 30:05 It is racist.

Joe Rogan 30:06 It's right on the edge. (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 30:07 There's some things as-

Joe Rogan 30:08 It's right on the edge.

Kyle Kulinski 30:09 That might be the last thing on the menu I would get, is a Filet-o-Fish.

Joe Rogan 30:12 It's delicious.

Kyle Kulinski 30:12 It's great.

Joe Rogan 30:12 They're very good.

Kyle Kulinski 30:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:13 They're so good, you won't want to have three.

Kyle Kulinski 30:14 They steam the bun and make them good. No, I prefer chicken or beef like a real man.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Okay. Well, I apologize.

Kyle Kulinski 30:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:20 Mm-hmm. McDonald's Steakhouse. So, you're saying that if everything's equal-... and Trump wins everything he won in 2016-

Kyle Kulinski 30:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... he still has a very narrow path to victory.

Kyle Kulinski 30:33 No, so the point that I was making, and I'll explain it for people who didn't get the gist of it, but it basically... If you take the polls in 2016 and do the same sort of pro-Trump swing that happened on election day, they've done that and when you calculate those numbers, it's still Biden with 335 electoral votes. So, even if you have that same pro-Trump swing, it's still Biden winning by a fairly safe margin. Now, to get to your point about does he have a path? Yes, Trump has a path for sure, but it's basically one path and he can't afford any mess-ups along the way. So, he has to win... He has to win Florida, he has to win Pennsylvania, he has to win Arizona, he has to win Ohio, and these... Like, Ohio and Iowa are the only two swing states where he's actually up in the average of the polling. All the other ones he's down. And there's also another crazy thing going on which... And I struggle to believe this as well. I think Trump is probably gonna win Texas, but the polling right there now is they're actually dead tied. Biden and Trump are dead tied in Texas.

Joe Rogan 31:31 That is the craziest.

Kyle Kulinski 31:32 Doesn't that- Doesn't that skew, uh, bias towards Democrats because they're traditionally, um, voting earlier by mail? Yeah. So, that was another point that I was going to get to. When the votes roll in, everybody's gonna freak out at every single thing that they see. But there are some states that count the mail-ins first and when they count the mail-ins first, it's gonna look like Biden's winning in a landslide. And then there's other states that do the opposite, which is they count the on the day votes first. And the states that do that, it's gonna look like Trump is winning in a landslide. So basically, everybody has to relax until you actually get, you know, to a very high percentage of the votes counted before you really know what's going on because there's gonna be big swings throughout the night in ev- virtually every state. But I actually have the specific states if you're interested in knowing which states are gonna swing like that.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Well, let's find out where we're at right now. Is there, uh, anything, Jamie, that shows us where we're at right now? Here we go. Look at that. Florida looks like Trump, Alabama Trump, Mississippi Trump. It's Trump. Trump won.

Kyle Kulinski 32:28 Okay, so here right now...

Joe Rogan 32:29 Trump is the president.

Kyle Kulinski 32:30 It's over. He won again. So, right now-

Joe Rogan 32:32 Texas is blue.

Kyle Kulinski 32:35 Because that's... A- again, okay, that's because they're counting the mail-ins first and the mail-ins are heavily Biden. See, that's what I'm saying is like, it's a little misleading to watch it second by second because it- they're- it's gonna be skewed based on which votes they're counting.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 32:47 You see what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 32:47 What's the chance we don't have an answer tonight?

Kyle Kulinski 32:50 100%. Probably 50 or 60% chance we don't have an answer tonight.

Joe Rogan 32:54 What's the chance that people handle that maturely and don't burn things down and throw bricks through windows?

Kyle Kulinski 32:58 Negative 14,000% (laughs) . Right (laughs) . Right.

Joe Rogan 33:01 Look so far, it's 85-55 Joe Biden's winning.

Kyle Kulinski 33:06 So, there's a few surprises up there, by the way. There obviously Texas is a surprise but even Ohio, Trump was up in Ohio in the average of polls and that's looking blue. But again, I don't want to get ahead of myself because I just told you guys don't pay attention until the number gets up a lot more.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Yeah, 60-40.

Kyle Kulinski 33:21 Now, see that's going to swing back to Trump though as time goes by because there's no way Ohio is going to finish on that number. No way. Not a chance in hell. Only 32% reporting. That means they're counting the mail-ins. That's what that tells me.

Joe Rogan 33:34 And all the other states are just in, in play?

Kyle Kulinski 33:37 Um, so as time goes by, the, the polls close at different times and so I could tell you the order that everything closes here. We're supposed to get... 7 o'clock we had Vermont, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Indiana and Kentucky. Georgia is the only one of those that's really a swing state. Um, 7:30 we had, we have North Carolina, Ohio and West Virginia. North Carolina and Ohio were both swing states. Then at 8 o'clock we get clonked over the head, so we just got clonked over the head here. We have Washington, D.C., Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, Maine's, uh, first district, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Florida, uh, Maine second district, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma. Only one, two, three of those are swing states. We really have Pennsylvania, Florida and Maine second district. Um, and then 9 o'clock we get New York and a bunch of others as well.

Joe Rogan 34:25 I've never felt a time where the country was more on edge during an election.

Kyle Kulinski 34:29 Because there's never been a time where it's been this bad. No way.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Ever?

Kyle Kulinski 34:32 No way.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Right. They came up with a thing, they said there's like a political... I forgot what it is, but there's some indicator of political tension, they said it's higher now than the Civil War. Whoa. Geez.

Kyle Kulinski 34:41 No, I don't know about that one. People-

Joe Rogan 34:42 Well, I mean that's what they said.

Kyle Kulinski 34:43 Shooting each other in the face. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:45 Well, listen, that can happen.

Kyle Kulinski 34:46 They were very polite and genteel-

Joe Rogan 34:48 (laughs) .

Kyle Kulinski 34:48 That is true. They wore powdered wigs and...

Joe Rogan 34:50 That could happen with us though.

Kyle Kulinski 34:52 You know, I think... Honestly, Joe, I think that we just have too many good distractions to ever be in a civil war. Like people might think like, "Oh, let's go do it," and then they go, "You know, Netflix has some new shit out and I'd rather just watch that." You know what I mean? We can fight and there will be-

Joe Rogan 35:06 We hope. We hope.

Kyle Kulinski 35:06 There will be civil unrest like we've been seeing.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 35:09 But, you know, I don't think it would ever get to the point of a real civil war.

Joe Rogan 35:13 So, what happened with that Kyle Rittenhouse kid? Like the judge didn't press charges, but then they extradited him to, uh, Kenosha, right? Right. So, what happened there? I don't know. I watched the tape and, you know, clearly they... He went to... Him and his parents went to the, the protest, right? With h- heavily armed, right? Which is not... That's a choice that the family makes, right? I mean, that's-

Kyle Kulinski 35:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:36 That's a certain type of family that goes heavily armed to a protest. Um, we didn't do that when I was growing up. (laughs) Um, and then there was a skirmish, but if you watch the video, people got mad at me on Twitter because I said that I think if you watch the video, you do see people chasing him, uh, and then he shoots them which again, this was all no good.

Kyle Kulinski 35:54 So, he- he's in court now, right? Isn't he? Bail for Kyle Rittenhouse.

Joe Rogan 35:57 So, but something happened where the judge said he wasn't gonna prosecute him, that's why I was confused. I thought he was being released because I had read another ruling where the judge wasn't gonna press charges and a bunch of YouTube people were making these videos about it. Like Kyle Rittenhouse, they're gonna free him and then all of a sudden he's now, uh, got $2 million bail.

Kyle Kulinski 36:17 I saw on Twitter that somebody tweeted, uh, it said... It was a sign that said "Kyle's life matters."

Joe Rogan 36:24 Oh, Jesus.

Kyle Kulinski 36:25 Yeah, and I thought-That should be about me. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:29 And not him? It should be Kyle Dunnigan. Keep up that, uh, Instagram page. The, the thing is, like, he's not even supposed to be open carrying, so w- him carrying a gun was illegal.

Tim Dillon 36:40 It was not good.

Jamie Vernon 36:40 This is probably what you read.

Joe Rogan 36:42 What's that, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 36:44 This is probably what you read from the other day.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Well, that says he's extradited to face homicide charges.

Tim Dillon 36:48 I feel like, listen, the kid's got horrible parents. They're probably, they're pr- it's probably a very bad family. Not that this excuses the behavior. Like, I think the family drove him to the protest, right?

Jamie Vernon 36:58 Mm.

Kyle Kulinski 36:59 Jesus Christ. Really?

Tim Dillon 37:01 I believe so, yeah. It's like the mom and the da- I mean, this is not a good group.

Joe Rogan 37:05 Now, there was something else, Jamie. This is not it. There was something else where the, they were not pressing charges. I guess somebody else did.

Jamie Vernon 37:12 Yeah, probably Illinois was not pressing charges so that Wisconsin could.

Joe Rogan 37:16 But it was in Kenosha, right? The, the actual shooting was in Kenosha. Wasn't it?

Jamie Vernon 37:24 Yeah, but he's from Illinois, I believe.

Kyle Kulinski 37:26 I think that sounds right. I think that's what it was.

Jamie Vernon 37:29 So he-

Joe Rogan 37:29 That Illinois wasn't going to charge him, but Kenosha did?

Jamie Vernon 37:33 Yeah, he probably went home... Yeah, he had been, being held in Illinois. He went home and got arrested. Remember, they didn't arrest him right away.

Tim Dillon 37:38 Hmm. Yeah, they took a trip to the protest, so we're, he's just not from the area they were having the protests.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Which is even more weird.

Tim Dillon 37:43 It's crazy. It's crazy.

Kyle Kulinski 37:44 A lot of people are all about this, man. A lot of people love this, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 37:48 Tactical life.

Kyle Kulinski 37:49 ... yeah, kind of lifestyle, where they're just kind of searching for stuff to do.

Tim Dillon 37:52 What do you attribute that to? Like, the rise in violence and the rise of people kind of...

Joe Rogan 37:56 Video games.

Tim Dillon 37:57 Exc- is that it? What do you think it is?

Joe Rogan 37:59 No, no. I'm just kidding with you.

Tim Dillon 38:00 I'm kidding.

Kyle Kulinski 38:00 I think, um, honestly man, I... And some people might come after me for this, but I really believe that over the years, the evidence would show that when people feel like there's zero hope for a brighter future, and they're perpetually shit on by a system that doesn't give a fuck about them, that yeah, usually you turn to more extreme ideologies across the political spectrum.

Tim Dillon 38:23 Right, it makes a lot of sense.

Kyle Kulinski 38:25 I mean, I wouldn't say that's-

Joe Rogan 38:26 You really think that that's why he showed up at that protest with a gun?

Kyle Kulinski 38:28 Well, no, because I was just gonna say, it, you have to look at everything on a case by case basis, and there are gonna be many individual instances where somebody does something fucked up because of, say, mental illness. Or somebody does something fucked up because they were brainwashed into some sort of fundamentalist cult from when they're a kid. But I think the broader societal trends where these things kind of catch on and more and more people are willing to be involved in some sort of violence, I think you have to have an unhealthy society in the first place to have that flourish. You see what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 39:00 Yeah, I do see what you're saying. Yeah, there's a, that makes, that makes sense.

Kyle Kulinski 39:03 I mean, listen, uh, this is probably the classic example, but you couldn't have had Hitler rise to power without the Treaty of Versailles which fucked Germany after World War I. And so you had this whole generation of Germans who were like, "We've been fucking shit on and left behind and, you know, what, what are we, what are we supposed to do? We feel like there's no way out." And then you have this charismatic guy come up and say, "Hey, it's not your fault. Blame the Jews." They're like, "Yeah, it is them." So, this is what happens. I mean, and I, and I really fear that stuff is gonna get worse in this country because the economic

Kyle Kulinski 39:33 situation is just abysmal. I mean, you talk about this all the time on your show, but when you shut down the economy, basically, because of the virus, you can't shut down the economy and then not give people a lifeline monetarily, 'cause then they can't pay the fucking bills.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 39:48 This, this isn't rocket science. You know? And a lot of other countries, Joe, what they did is, they did like this wage replacement thing where they temporarily nationalized wages. So, in other words, if the government told you, "Hey, you can't work because of COVID," they would then say, "And that's why we're gonna pay 75% of your wage until COVID is over."

Joe Rogan 40:05 Could they have done that in this country?

Kyle Kulinski 40:06 Oh, we absolutely could have done it. We chose not to do it. In fact, what we did is probably the worst of all worlds, which is we took trillions of dollars and threw them at the corporations and said, "Here, we're giving you a bailout." And then the corporations turned around and fired people anyway.

Tim Dillon 40:19 Yeah, in the beginning of COVID, like, Trump, they would had, like, these press conferences, and then there would be like, there would be like the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings would come out.

Kyle Kulinski 40:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:26 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 40:26 And like, they'd be like, "Let's bring out the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings." And the guy's like, "Hey, we're just committed to helping. We're taking some of our napkins and making face masks." Like, it was this just crazy group of people that came out. Like, the guy who ran Red Lobster-

Kyle Kulinski 40:42 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 40:42 ... was like, "We're also getting involved in the fight."

Joe Rogan 40:45 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 40:45 It was absurd. It's always corporate, like-

Kyle Kulinski 40:48 Always corporate.

Tim Dillon 40:48 ... uh, well, it's always corporate. It's like, "Listen, let's, let's let Dave & Buster's make ventilators and fix it."

Joe Rogan 40:54 (laughs) The idea that they would give those people that money and not have a clause in there where you can't fire people is amazing.

Kyle Kulinski 41:00 That's right. I mean, and again, this also happened in the Wall Street bailout back, you know, under Bush and under Obama. They, they always do the same thing. They bail them out and they have no strings attached, and then what happens is, you know, these executives paid bonuses to the same people who crashed the company, and you know, there's no accountability. Those people fail up all the time. They fail up. "Oh, I bankrupted my company, but it's okay. The gold- the government gave me, you know, a billion dollars," because Goldman Sachs basically owns the government, you know, and that's how it works, and it's incredibly corrupt. And that's why when something bad happens and the people need a bailout, they never get a bailout. What's, what did people get? A one-time $1200 stimulus check.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Which is amazing. And we thought at least it was gonna come more frequently, and never came again.

Kyle Kulinski 41:41 Never came again.

Joe Rogan 41:41 The idea that they get one check in eight months is kind of insane.

Kyle Kulinski 41:45 People don't have money to, to stay afloat.

Tim Dillon 41:47 There are people that have been trying to get unemployment for like six months.

Joe Rogan 41:50 That's right.

Tim Dillon 41:51 They can't even get unemployment because these fucking states, I mean, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:55 And all the protection for people getting evicted is, uh, is soon gonna expire.

Kyle Kulinski 42:00 That's right, and so we're about to, you know, I saw a tweet about this earlier from, uh, the guy at The Washington Post, one of the only good people at The Washington Post, and he was basically listing it, and he's like, "Here are the things that expire, you know, in the upcoming however many months." And people are screwed, man. They're screwed. I don't know how they're gonna pay the bills. We're already seeing polls where like 30% of people say, "I can't make rent."

Joe Rogan 42:20 So, what could, what could they-

Tim Dillon 42:21 Yeah, but I mean have those people tried hustling and grinding?

Kyle Kulinski 42:24 OnlyFans is seeing a big explosion. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:27 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 42:27 Yeah, I think Gary V would, would basically tell them that they should just in- invest in themselves.

Joe Rogan 42:31 #KeepGoing.

Tim Dillon 42:32 Keep going.

Joe Rogan 42:33 #NeverGiveUp.

Tim Dillon 42:34 You just never give up and just hustle and grind.

Joe Rogan 42:36 #Hustle.

Tim Dillon 42:37 And just, you know, just do it.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Um, so what country handles it well?

Kyle Kulinski 42:42 So, the example that, we've spoken about this before but, um, I liked, early on I liked what Japan did because Japan did like limited shutdowns. They did some shutdowns 'cause some things there's no escaping it, it, it makes sense to shut 'em down just because of the nature of what they are, like bars, everybody's breathing on each other two feet away or whatever. So, they did limited shutdowns but basically the only thing they did is they had a universal mask policy. And culturally it's viewed like you're the biggest asshole on the planet if you're not wearing a fucking mask in a place where you should be wearing a mask. And then they only had 1,000 COVID cases when we had like 80,000, 90,000, 100,000 and rising steadily. So, that's one way we could've done it, or the other way you could've done it is you could've copied any of the European nations that when they shut down, they did, "Hey, we'll pay you 75% of your wages until this thing is over."

Joe Rogan 43:23 What Euro- European, (clears throat) excuse me, European nation.

Kyle Kulinski 43:24 France was one that did that, where they shut it down and paid people, I think it was 75% of their wages. But I think the UK did that too for a little bit, it may have been 80% of, of their wages.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Yeah. But isn't this a thing where, unfortunately, a lot of those other, you know, or fortunately, however you want to say, a lot of those other countries, they just are, they're more of a monolith and it's easier, you know, those people are, there's not this idea of, you know, the freedom and, and, uh, doing your own thing and, and, and owning your own business. Like a lot of those countries are, by their nature, the populous is just more submissive.

Kyle Kulinski 43:58 There's definitely, there's definitely cultural differences.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 44:01 But I think that, especially in the case of France, the government is scared of the people because they're like, "You better fucking do shit that's gonna help us or else why are you even in power?" Whereas here, I feel like we're more like, "Okay, just government, don't fuck, fuck this up too much." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 44:15 Right, right.

Kyle Kulinski 44:16 So, but again, it, it, you, there were multiple ways to address this and if you go the way Japan went, you could've kept a lot more stuff open and just had everybody wear masks. If you want-

Joe Rogan 44:26 Has, but was anybody in government calling for more stimulus checks? Was anybody in government call- calling for more relief? Was anybody in government calling for, like anybody on the left calling for these checks to be distributed?

Kyle Kulinski 44:38 Oh, absolutely. I mean-

Joe Rogan 44:39 Who was calling for this?

Kyle Kulinski 44:40 Bernie Sanders was calling for it, The Squad who's always made fun of, they were calling for it. They happen to be right on this economic stuff.

Joe Rogan 44:46 What were they saying?

Kyle Kulinski 44:46 Not only were people calling for it, Joe, I believe one of these things passed, I think it's called The Heroes Act, and there were provisions where they gave people more of a recurring stimulus check. This wasn't a wage replacement, I should be clear. We're not talking about nationalizing wages like they did over there, but you can do a similar version of that by just doing a universal basic income.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 45:03 You know, that's Andrew Yang's idea, it's something that he's really popularized. There's other ways to go about it, recurring stimulus checks-

Joe Rogan 45:07 Well, on the third night of quarantine, they had Nancy Pelosi was giving a tour of her to- like town or her house.

Kyle Kulinski 45:12 Listen, she's the worst.

Joe Rogan 45:13 And she was showing the different gelatos that she had in her freezer. This is right after 30 million people were instantly made unemployed. And Nancy Pelosi was like going, "We like the chocolate and then we like this." And it was like the craziest thing I'd ever seen and that's the party that's supposed to care. But she's-

Kyle Kulinski 45:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:30 She's done so many things like that. Yeah, so many. Like she, she lied about telling people, like when people were, uh, like when the pandemic was first starting-

Kyle Kulinski 45:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:38 She was telling people, "Please go out, go to Chinatown."

Kyle Kulinski 45:40 Yeah, they were... People were acting like total idiots and they weren't listening to the real experts early on and everything was incredibly politicized. But it, to answer your question though, from before, Trump and Mnuchin were calling for it too, Joe. They also wanted stimulus checks. The people who didn't want stimulus checks, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. But Trump and Mnuchin, the treasury secretary, wanted stimulus checks because listen, Trump knew, "Hey, you know, I'm kind of struggling in the polls here. I wanna throw a Hail Mary pass." One of the ways to get people to like you, you know, three weeks before an election, cut them another stimulus check. And he famously wanted his name on the checks. He said, "Put my name on the check so that when people cash it, they know that it's from me and then they're more likely to vote for me." And what got in his way was Nancy Pelosi, who wouldn't accept any deal even if it was a good deal, and Mitch McConnell who, even if Nancy Pelosi accepted the stimulus deal, Mitch McConnell would've blocked it anyway. So, those are the real ghouls because Trump wanted stimulus checks, Mnuchin wanted stimulus checks.

Joe Rogan 46:39 Do they ever leave?

Kyle Kulinski 46:39 And this is to their credit.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Do they ever leave? She's 100... I mean, does she ever go away?

Kyle Kulinski 46:45 I know, man. I know.

Joe Rogan 46:45 She's spooky. When she went to that fucking, uh, beauty salon and had no mask on-

Kyle Kulinski 46:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:50 ... and then was talking about it, "They should apologize, they set me up." Like, you know, I've said this before, I'll say it again, I don't even have hair- Right. (laughs) And I knew that beauty salons were closed.

Kyle Kulinski 46:58 Right, everyone knew.

Joe Rogan 46:59 You know, you, that lady is 150 years old-

Kyle Kulinski 47:01 The greatest-

Joe Rogan 47:02 She must get her hair dyed every 15 minutes.

Kyle Kulinski 47:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:03 Yeah, the greatest story about her was there was a bird that got into her Georgetown townhouse and she had to chase this big bird out of her-

Kyle Kulinski 47:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:09 I mean, she's just this real... But the fact that she went to a place that was shut down and she wasn't even wearing a mask. Right. Like all the, uh, like, they're just hypocrites.

Kyle Kulinski 47:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:18 They don't care.

Kyle Kulinski 47:19 Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 47:20 They need new leadership. You know who's been amazing? Jimmy Dore.

Kyle Kulinski 47:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Jimmy Dore's fucking podcast during, he is-

Kyle Kulinski 47:26 He's a good friend of mine. I like Jimmy.

Joe Rogan 47:27 He's, I love Jimmy Dore. He's calling everybody out, everybody in the left, everybody in the right-

Kyle Kulinski 47:32 That dude breathes fire.

Joe Rogan 47:33 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 47:33 He really does.

Joe Rogan 47:34 He breathes fire, Jimmy Dore.

Kyle Kulinski 47:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:35 He doesn't give a fuck, he goes hard. He was doing this thing on Obama, I forgot about this, where Obama went to Flint, Michigan and was drinking the water.

Kyle Kulinski 47:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Was fake drinking, he's like, "Can I get a sip of water? Can I get a glass of water?"

Kyle Kulinski 47:46 Oh, gosh.

Joe Rogan 47:47 "This is not a stunt. I actually need a glass of water, I'm actually thirsty."

Kyle Kulinski 47:50 And kids are, kids are getting poisoned as he's doing this, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:52 And here, here, like this, this is what he does. (slurps)

Kyle Kulinski 47:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:57 He took a little poison.

Kyle Kulinski 47:58 It's kind of a fun bit though.

Joe Rogan 48:00 He says, "This is not a stunt."

Kyle Kulinski 48:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:02 I mean, hey. "Can I get a glass of water?"

Kyle Kulinski 48:04 We still don't have clean water in Flint, Michigan obviously.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Why don't, why is, why is that so hard to fix? That's a good question.

Kyle Kulinski 48:10 I think the reason why, they didn't want to spend the extra money to get the proper pipes and so then when it got terrible and it was contaminated, they were like, "Whoopsie." And then I don't know how at this late date they haven't fixed it yet. That strikes me as absolutely absurd.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Right, that was the Obama administration, so we've got to do the entire-

Kyle Kulinski 48:27 Happened under Obama, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:29 ... Trump administration and it hasn't been repaired. Insane.

Kyle Kulinski 48:31 Obama didn't do anything serious, Trump didn't do anything serious.

Joe Rogan 48:33 And that, and those are, that's people's lives, those are kids' lives, man. It's fucked up. Well, no, that is long term repercussions, right? So, we're talking about people now, who knows what it's like 15 years from now, 20 years from now, growing up without water?

Kyle Kulinski 48:45 Right. And listen, people...This is the stuff that actually matters to people. If you really, if you want to be successful running for political office, it's not that difficult. It's the bread and butter issues, it's the basics: wages, jobs, you know-

Joe Rogan 49:00 What's-

Kyle Kulinski 49:00 ... I don't want your water to be poisoned.

Joe Rogan 49:02 What stops them from fixing these things?

Kyle Kulinski 49:04 A lot of it's corruption. A lot of it's the fact that these politicians take money from corporations and billionaires, and then they turn around and they serve them and they don't do anything that their constituents want. Because as a general rule, whatever the people want is opposed by the billionaire class. The billionaire class just wants more tax cuts for themselves. Regular people, if you look at the polls, they want, you know, a living wage for example, they want to end the wars, they want to do an infrastructure deal and give people jobs. Like, the things are, are very basic. And actually this gets back to what we were talking about earlier because Trump in 2016, he was... He never got credit for running a superb campaign, 'cause he really did. When Hillary Clinton was not stepping foot in the Rust Belt to campaign, he was doing rallies there in the final weeks leading up to the election where he would non-stop hammer on jobs and he would say, you know, "Hillary and Bill, they outsourced your job with NAFTA, they outsourced your job with permanent normal trade relations with China. I'm gonna bring your job back. I'm the outsider, she's the insider. They sent your kids to go die in a war, I want to get us out of the war." And he just kept hammering her and hammering her and hammering her. And the reason he won is because those states are the states that he picked off to win the electoral college. He won by something from like 70,000 to 110,000 votes. And in fact, I kinda want to show you this ad because it, it shows it perfectly. Trump's closing ad in 2016, that's actually what it's called on YouTube. Jamie, if you wanna pull that up. Uh, Trump's Closing Argument Ad or something like that. The ad is phenomenal. It's, it's policy based, it's substance based, and he portrays himself as the outsider.

Joe Rogan 50:33 (coughs)

Kyle Kulinski 50:33 And then comparing how good his campaign was in 2016 versus how shitty it is this time around, I'm not surprised that Joe Biden, who barely has a functioning brain, is casually up by nine points, eight points, nine points, whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 50:48 But is... Do you... Wouldn't you agree that it's not that Joe Biden's run a good campaign, it's that people hate Trump?

Kyle Kulinski 50:55 It... That's exactly right.

Joe Rogan 50:56 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 50:56 That's exactly right.

Joe Rogan 50:57 And look-

Kyle Kulinski 50:57 But they didn't hate Trump 2016. Trump 2016 was a good politician.

Joe Rogan 51:02 The best thing that Biden-

Kyle Kulinski 51:02 Was a really good politician.

Joe Rogan 51:03 ... did in this cycle is not really go out to deal with the public.

Kyle Kulinski 51:09 Hide. Like, that's what... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:10 Well, every time he did he fucked up 50% of the time.

Kyle Kulinski 51:13 Exactly. So that was like... If there's anything that they did good, it's keeping him away-

Joe Rogan 51:17 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 51:17 ... from the people.

Joe Rogan 51:19 Do you think though that if COVID didn't happen, where the economy was before COVID-

Kyle Kulinski 51:23 Trump-

Joe Rogan 51:23 Trump-

Kyle Kulinski 51:23 ... was much more likely to win.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Well, no. He was winning 100%.

Kyle Kulinski 51:25 Much more likely to win.

Joe Rogan 51:26 I mean, dude without COVID, Trump is, is... Well, I mean, he's... he wins. Do you buy the argument that Trump is responsible for the economy's big boom or do you think that he was riding off the wave of Obama or do you think it's a combination of both things?

Kyle Kulinski 51:44 See, that's interesting because I actually don't agree with either one of those. I think the economy was always a house of cards. I don't buy it when people say, "Oh, we have a low unemployment rate and the stock market is doing well so people are doing well." No, even before COVID, 78% of the country was living paycheck to paycheck. Like, it, it's a house of cards. They use these indicators which are not good economic indicators for regular people, they're good economic indicators for the top 10% that have fucking stocks. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 52:06 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 52:07 And, and by the way, it's the gig economy, right? It's not that people were necessarily unemployed but people were underemployed. They would have these j- they'd have these fucking degrees from colleges and then they'd have to go take a job where they're basically making minimum wage and working as an independent contractor, not an employee. So like, the economy was always a house of cards and I never bought the argument... And by the way, not a hypocrite on this 'cause when Obama was acting like his economy was good I was like, "Your economy's fucking shit." It's got the same problem as it was under Trump. These are not good economic indicators. I care about wages, for example. Rates of unionization usually go right along with the health of the middle class. Back when we had strong unions in this country, we had one of the healthiest middle classes in the world.

Joe Rogan 52:46 What killed that off? NAFTA?

Kyle Kulinski 52:48 Um, no. NAFTA was... It had a lot to do with the outsourcing of jobs. Actually permanent normal trade relations with China was worse on that front, it was more outsourced under that than under NAFTA. Um, it was-

Joe Rogan 52:58 But out... But we did lose a lot of jobs in the auto industry, we lost a lot of job... A lot of jobs were outsourced-

Kyle Kulinski 53:04 That was because... That was... Again, that was because of corruption, that's because the people who were the executives at these companies, they pay the politicians to run their campaigns and then they would go to the politicians and say, "Hey, hey. I financed your last campaign, I need you to do me a favor. I want to, you know, make my product a lot cheaper so I'd like to ship it to some Chinese factory where we have, you know, a 14-year-old working for me as opposed to paying an American worker a living wage with good benefits." So it all comes down to money. It all comes down to, you know, corruption and...

Joe Rogan 53:34 That really does show what k- what hypocrites we are 'cause all these people who are progressive, they all have iPhones in their pockets.

Kyle Kulinski 53:40 Yes, that's right. And you're right, we're all hypocrites. All of us are hypocrites.

Joe Rogan 53:43 I mean, that... Like, unless you're buying some phone that... What... Like, what is the most... We've talked about this before, Jamie, but I don't remember anything. What is the most ethical phone you could buy? 'Cause it's clear it's not-

Kyle Kulinski 53:55 Wasn't it the Fairphone? Remember?

Joe Rogan 53:57 Right. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 53:57 I think I heard... I think I learned that from you.

Joe Rogan 53:59 Yeah. That's right. That's right, that's what it is. And, uh, even that, like where are the minerals coming from? It... You follow the chain-

Kyle Kulinski 54:06 And there's slaves somewhere.

Joe Rogan 54:07 ... of parts and there's a slave with a stick pulling-

Kyle Kulinski 54:08 There's slaves somewhere. That's right.

Joe Rogan 54:09 How do you... What do you do though?

Kyle Kulinski 54:11 I know, man. It's tough.

Joe Rogan 54:11 That's the problem, it's we're all complicit in these things, what do you do? I mean...

Kyle Kulinski 54:15 I mean, we could do what we can control and I did think, you know, a lot of Trump's rhetoric in 2016 on trade, I think he was correct.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Are they really slaves in the China... that are making the phones?

Kyle Kulinski 54:29 Slaves in the China? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:30 You know what I mean?

Kyle Kulinski 54:30 In the factory?

Joe Rogan 54:30 Are they really slaves-

Kyle Kulinski 54:32 Foxconn, whatever it's called.

Joe Rogan 54:33 ... that they don't enjoy it all?

Kyle Kulinski 54:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:35 Do they not enjoy it all to make-

Kyle Kulinski 54:37 Well, there is actually an expose-

Joe Rogan 54:37 They make... This is beautiful. There's actually an expose recently written by a guy who, uh, posed as a w- he's a, a, a guy of Chinese descent but I believe he's American and he worked in, um, a factory, uh, making iPhones and doing one thing 12 hours a day and he wrote a story about it like how inhumane the conditions are there.

Kyle Kulinski 54:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:59 And-

Kyle Kulinski 55:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:00 And try to get it into people's heads like this is what you're supporting when you buy a phone. What's really kinda crazy is that Apple, with all their money, right? And they're my favorite phone company, right? They're, they're, they're my favorite phone company because they don't, they don't...... they, they don't sell your information like Google does.

Kyle Kulinski 55:16 Right, yeah. They care about privacy there. Right.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Even with your, uh, with Apple Maps, they don't, they're not, like, constantly collecting data and, and then just selling it to all these companies. E- even them, they, they don't see this massive problem and they don't do anything about it. They just keep going down the same road because it's been effective and because economically, they have, uh, an obligation to their shareholders and they, this is the most profitable way to do it, so they keep doing it that way.

Kyle Kulinski 55:45 That's right. And this gets back to the ir- the Iraq and Afghanistan war. There's trillions of dollars of mineral wealth in Afghanistan, like a lot of the stuff that ends up in your phone-

Joe Rogan 55:54 Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 55:55 ... comes from there.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah, for sure, you know?

Kyle Kulinski 55:56 Lithium ion, all that stuff.

Jamie Vernon 55:58 That's right.

Joe Rogan 55:58 But there's a, a huge deposit of lithium in Afghanistan. There was a big story about that a few years ago w- that they had found this, uh, new massive deposit of lithium. I want you to imagine this because, and, and I want to put this out there, if Apple had their version of a Fairphone.

Kyle Kulinski 56:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Like say this is our iPhone 12 Max Pro, but this is our Fairphone. Now, this phone is m- everybody makes at least $15 an hour.

Kyle Kulinski 56:25 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:25 This is, this is a phone that doesn't use any conflict minerals that come from war-torn countries, but it costs $1,000-

Kyle Kulinski 56:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:34 ... but it's not as good as the phone that costs $800.

Jamie Vernon 56:37 Yeah. Who would get it, right?

Joe Rogan 56:38 Like-

Jamie Vernon 56:38 That's the question.

Joe Rogan 56:39 But I think a lot of people would-

Kyle Kulinski 56:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:40 ... because they would virtue signal. They would say, "I'm using the Fairphone."

Kyle Kulinski 56:42 But that's not even... Like virtue signaling-

Joe Rogan 56:43 But, but how much do you-

Kyle Kulinski 56:43 ... has a negative connotation, but I mean in a good way.

Jamie Vernon 56:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:46 Right, but I mean in a good way.

Kyle Kulinski 56:46 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:46 But in a good way. What, what do you need... Like, I have a new phone. I got a 12. I'm a fucking moron, right? I was like, "Hey, get 12, better camera! Get a better camera!"

Jamie Vernon 56:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:55 "Oh, sides! Sides, they're flat now! Yeah, love it!" Um, but I don't need it, right?

Kyle Kulinski 57:03 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Like if you made a phone that's the equivalent of the iPhone 7, right? And, uh, it costs $900, but you feel good about yourself. You don't, you don't feel bad. What the fuck do you need your phone to do? It's not making complex computations. It's not doing, like, s- super, uh, difficult, uh, video rendering. Unless you're a hardcore gamer on your phone-

Kyle Kulinski 57:24 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 57:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:24 ... what are you really using your goddamn phone? You're FaceTiming your friends.

Kyle Kulinski 57:28 Texting.

Joe Rogan 57:28 You're making a few text messages. You're checking your email. Maybe you watch a YouTube video. You play a podcast when you're in your car, you listen to music. What the fuck are you using your phone for that you need a-

Kyle Kulinski 57:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:37 ... new processor every year? Oh, the new OLED has, you know, the, the, the new resolution is far better than the old re- there's more pixels.

Kyle Kulinski 57:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:45 Listen, I'm 53 years old. I need glasses to see my fucking text messages.

Jamie Vernon 57:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:49 I don't know what's going on with your pixels. If, if you could sell a phone that you, you could feel good about, where you could say, if a phone company came out with that and that was their big campaign, if, if it was ever a time, now is the time that they could do that. And I would buy it.

Kyle Kulinski 58:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:04 I don't fucking need this stupid new phone, but I bought it because I'm a moron, right? But if, if the, a phone company came out and said, "This is it. We have a phone." Maybe Korea's better. Maybe Samsung's better. I don't know where they're making their shit or where they're doing their shit.

Kyle Kulinski 58:20 I think, I think they're all bad. I think at the, at the core of it, s- there's slavery involved with all this. And it's terrible, but it's probably true, right? Like-

Joe Rogan 58:28 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 58:28 ... is anybody's hands really clean in all this?

Joe Rogan 58:31 I mean, it's relative, right? Like, relatively clean, cleaner. I mean, it's like-

Kyle Kulinski 58:34 But, I mean, this is why we need efficient, effective regulation.

Joe Rogan 58:38 Right. Is it even possible?

Kyle Kulinski 58:38 It's like let's avoid the slavery thing.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 58:40 Well, listen, it's harder... The, the, the broader the scope, the harder it is. So yes, our- if you're asking, "Hey, is it really possible to know where we get everything from for phones that are sold here when none of the materials come from here?" No, it's really not possible.

Joe Rogan 58:54 Well, someone's gotta know, right?

Jamie Vernon 58:57 Apple, their new phone has a bunch of recycled material in it.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Sure, but that means recycled from eventually-

Kyle Kulinski 59:02 From slaves. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 59:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:03 ... from slaves getting it out of the ground.

Jamie Vernon 59:05 Well, from other phones is what they're saying. They're-

Joe Rogan 59:06 Right, but it originally came from slaves getting those materials out of the ground.

Jamie Vernon 59:10 I don't, I'm just, but not at a constant rate. It's happening every single day.

Kyle Kulinski 59:12 He's just saying it's not continuing to feed the slavery pipeline.

Joe Rogan 59:16 So it's slightly, slightly better.

Jamie Vernon 59:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 So Apple's rare earth recycling, a new iPhone series steps up environmental response. Yeah, but that's just environment. This is, even though this is good because they're not wasting the materials and they're recycling the materials, that's good for the envir- environment, right? But that doesn't address the Foxconn workers-

Kyle Kulinski 59:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:33 ... who live in a place where they have dormitories and they have nets around the building 'cause so many people jumped off, they decided to put nets up.

Kyle Kulinski 59:39 Yeah. You would need the international community to get together and we all say to each other, "All right, no slavery?" "Yeah, no slavery." And then some, I mean, some country would decide, "We're gonna be assholes because we'll get a competitive advantage if we have slaves," and then they'd probably do it. You know what I mean? But yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 59:53 Well-

Kyle Kulinski 59:53 Jimmy, pull up that Fairphone.

Jamie Vernon 59:55 Dude, would you really get a Fairphone?

Joe Rogan 59:57 No. I'm just v- I'm just lying on the podcast.

Jamie Vernon 59:59 I wouldn't either. It's so insane.

Kyle Kulinski 59:59 Well, it depends, it depends how shitty it is, though, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Can I Air Drop-

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:02 Like, if it's actually okay...

Jamie Vernon 1:00:03 If it's even less, like slightly less, uh, I'm gonna d- go slavery.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Here it is.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:09 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 But can, but can I Air Drop with the Fairphone?

Jamie Vernon 1:00:11 I'm going slavery. It's for Android, so I mean...

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Okay. Designed to last.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:15 I don't know if it's-

Jamie Vernon 1:00:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 What does it say? Recycled and, uh, recycled and fair materials. 48 megapixel camera. That's pretty good.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:23 You look, you look like a punk if you have this.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 How dare you?

Jamie Vernon 1:00:26 You look like a punk if you pull out a Fairphone.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Look at this fucking guy. He doesn't-

Jamie Vernon 1:00:29 Dude, it's horrible.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 He doesn't even agree with slavery, this asshole.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:32 What a horrible conversation starter.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 1:00:33 "Oh, I have a Fairphone." Oh, you think you've stopped slavery because you have one Fairphone?

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Well, let's look, do they, why do they have white text on blue? It's so hard to read.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:41 But see, no, you're actually making a great point. You're making a great point.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:43 I'm making, I'm always doing that, Perry. (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:44 Because, like, it's not an individual issue. It's like when people say about climate change-

Jamie Vernon 1:00:48 I just never know when I'm doing it.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:49 It's like when people say about climate change, like, "Oh, do you drive a fucking car? Is that what you did? You drove a car to get here? Did you know that fucking climate change is happening?" It's like, yeah, asshole, and it's not like one individual can really make that much of a difference. You actually need action from a higher level, like 73% of the emissions that lead to climate change come from the same, come from... I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 They only sell outside of Europe? What does it say there?

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:08 73 companies get like 100% or 90% of the emissions, some crazy stats that I'm not remembering.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 They only sell them in the EEA and Switzerland.... as an organization based in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, we currently focus our sales efforts in Europe. At the same time, we are researching the market and logistic possibilities to sell outside of Europe. You can find our full list of countries where we sell and ship to.

Tim Dillon 1:01:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Okay.

Tim Dillon 1:01:33 When they try to sell outside of Europe-

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Click on that. Do they sell it to America? Can I buy one? Does it say United States? L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, nope. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:01:43 Vatican City.

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:44 They don't even allow it here?

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Why would you-

Tim Dillon 1:01:45 Vatican City.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Th- th- th- yeah. Well, when you're molesting children, you really want a Fairphone.

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:50 (laughs) They don't even allow it here?

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 No, no.

Tim Dillon 1:01:51 I think the phone-

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 They don't sell it here.

Tim Dillon 1:01:53 ... I think we d- ... We call, we say this is slavery, but we don't really know. Right?

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:58 (laughs) Well, at the heart of it-

Tim Dillon 1:01:59 Do we really know?

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:59 ... with the mines, yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:00 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:00 There's, there's child slaves in those mines.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Shipping outside of Europe. We do not sell or ship Fairphone products outside of Europe at the moment, yet the good news is we plan to start developing a selection of countries outside ... ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. The question at the moment is, how fast can we make this happen? As Amsterdam-based organization, we wanted to launch a Fairphone products in Europe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For the coming time, we will continue to focus our sales efforts on this region. Oh, they don't have any plans. So then you can't even buy this fucking phone here. But it's not a bad phone if you look at what it is. It's a 46 megapixel camera, uses Android 10, which is ... I think that's the latest. No, is it Android 11 now? I think they have Android 11 now.

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:40 But Tim is right. This is not an individual issue. It has ... Like, action needs to be taken at a higher level.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:46 You can't just have one person going to buy a Fairphone.

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:47 Right. That's right. Right.

Tim Dillon 1:02:48 It's gotta be systemic.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Yeah. Well, and I gotta be able to AirDrop too.

Tim Dillon 1:02:52 And the point ... And the point I was trying to make, which I couldn't get out- I think the phone system works well.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 What phone system?

Tim Dillon 1:02:57 The, the, the one we get where we get the nice phones and we get it-

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:59 Joey, he's saying he's pro slavery. This is what he's saying. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:03:01 ... we get a new one every year. I'm not pro-ing slavery, but if you're a child in China you have to keep yourself occupied. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 You can upgrade your camera?

Tim Dillon 1:03:08 That's kinda-

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 There's a camera module?

Kyle Kulinski 1:03:10 That's kinda cool.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 That's pretty cool.

Kyle Kulinski 1:03:11 If it works good.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Discover the