JRE End Of The World #2

1. 0:00 – 3:00

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Three, two, one.

   2. JVJamie Vernon0:03

      Hold on.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Is it real?

   4. JVJamie Vernon0:05

      I think so.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski0:06

      (clears throat)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      It's live. That's it. End of the World, Part Two. Tim Dillon, you savage. It's good to see you, my friend.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski0:11

      Thank you for having me. We're back.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Kyle Kulinski, voice of reason, a person who actually understands politics.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski0:16

      That's debatable. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       Debatable? It is debatable, but-

   11. KKKyle Kulinski0:18

       We'll see how much the voice of reason I am.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       I will say, uh, I will lean towards you knowing what you're talking about.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski0:23

       Ah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Um-

   15. JVJamie Vernon0:24

       Hold on.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       What's going on?

   17. JVJamie Vernon0:25

       Yeah, put the chat on.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski0:27

       Oh.

   19. JVJamie Vernon0:27

       Sorry for that.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski0:27

       So, do you, do you have an opinion about how this is gonna go down? Yeah, do I, yeah, do I have-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski0:32

       ... a prediction?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Yes.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski0:33

       Yes. Uh, it's very likely to be Joe Biden winning.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       And what, what, what makes you say this?

   26. KKKyle Kulinski0:38

       First of all, let me just, let me just make clear so you, we don't get mass down-voted, I'm not saying that because I necessarily-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Let's get mass down-voted.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski0:45

       ... want that to happen. I'm saying that empirically, I think it's very likely that he's gonna win. And the reason I say that is, I, I actually sent this to you, Jamie, if you, uh, wanna pull it up, but, um, when you look at the polls, and I know we get into whether or not you should even believe the polls, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Right.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski0:58

       Because you don't think so, right?
2. 3:00 – 6:15

   Fake News

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      term. Like, the, we have existed for a long time. There's been media for a long time. There's even been internet for a long time relatively.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski3:08

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      And yet, fake news is a new thing. And now, but I used to think it was bullshit. I used to think it was a cheap cop-out for someone who didn't wanna deal with facts, and they would just tell their people, "Hey, this is fake news." And you'd be like, "But, you know, that's not fake." Like-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski3:23

      See, that's one of the reasons why I think Trump resonated is because he would say stuff that I think people around the country just had a sense that he's right about it. Like, Joe, think about it. The media in this country lied us into the Iraq War.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      Right.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski3:39

      If there was, like, that is the definition of fake news. Not only is it fake news, but it's fake news that led to the deaths of 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:47

      Right.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski3:47

      ... and thousands of our own soldiers.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      But, but when you say that, you don't think they were in on it. Do you?

   10. KKKyle Kulinski3:50

       No, I don't think ... See, the way it works is, and Noam Chomsky's got a book called Manufacturing Consent-

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       Yeah.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski3:54

       ... where he really dives into the specifics of this and gives you the mechanics of it. But basically, the way it works is, the people who get hired at these news outlets, they've all had like the proper training. They go to the Ivy League schools, you know, they study journalism. And you only get promoted if they know you're really not gonna rock the boat. And what I mean by that is, you basically repeat the line that the government wants you to repeat. And so, you know, when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were out there making the case, a good little journalist says, "Oh, here's what the president says, and here's what the vice president says, and they're saying that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." And then you had Colin Powell go to the UN and hold up the uranium and say, "Ah, see? I mean, what do you wanna do?" Do you want... What did they say? "Do you want the evidence to come in the form of a mushroom-shaped cloud?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       Right, I remember that.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski4:36

       That was them saying, "We need to act now."

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Right.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski4:38

       "And for, forget about proving it, we have to act now." And the media went right along with them.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Was there any doubt that they knew that that was not true?

   18. KKKyle Kulinski4:46

       Um, I think there are probably some people who made the argument who were convinced of the propaganda themselves. But no, the decision had been made long before that that Saddam Hussein was on a list of rogue actors who we wanted to overthrow.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       Yeah.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski4:58

       And by the way, that list still exists today. So, all this fighting that we do with Iran, they're on the list, and we wanna overthrow them as well.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Yeah, we wanna-

   22. KKKyle Kulinski5:04

       A lot of people don't know the history of it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       We wanna get them bad now.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski5:08

       Did you see they executed that Olympic wrestler?

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       No. Why did they do that?

   26. KKKyle Kulinski5:10

       'Cause he went to a protest.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Oh, they, they're, the Iranians executed-

   28. KKKyle Kulinski5:14

       Yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       Yeah. He went to a peaceful protest, and, uh, they wanted to make an example of him. He's a, an Olympic hero. How did they execute him?

   30. KKKyle Kulinski5:20

       I don't know.
3. 6:15 – 7:35

   Saudi Arabia

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:15

   2. KKKyle Kulinski6:15

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:15

      This is the fucking end. I mean, like, we're, we're dealing 2020 and people are getting beheaded in France for showing cartoons-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski6:22

      I mean, listen-

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      ... and it's happening all over again.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski6:23

      ... I was actually just talking about this earlier that, you know, one of our top allies, Saudi Arabia, they still behead people in the public square.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      Yeah.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski6:30

      You know? It's a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:31

      Mm-hmm.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski6:31

       And they do it for drug smuggling.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       Mm-hmm.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski6:33

       They do it for apostasy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       Mm-hmm.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski6:34

       All these crimes (computer dings) that are not even really crimes, and they'll kill you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       That's crazy.... that that's happening in 2020. That's the thing that people... W-When people are not afraid of dictatorships or of the governor- government running wild in America, I always try and tell them, like, North Korea is happening right now.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski6:52

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Those are human beings.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski6:53

       Sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       Those are human beings that went down a path. Is it likely that we'll go down that same path? No. But human beings have been going down those paths from the beginning of language, from the beginning of time.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski7:04

       The strongman is a big, you know-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       Yeah.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski7:06

       ... the idea of a strongman, the dictator, the person, "I call all the shots."

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       That's why everybody's scar- terrified of Trump. That's why a lot of intellectuals were terrified of Trump. They didn't like that language. They didn't like, they didn't like th- what people were attracted to about him, 'cause they knew where that led.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski7:22

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       They didn't like, like... What was the... It was a phrase that he said once where he, he was talking about, uh, "I wish I was a dictator. It would be a lot easier." Remember that?

   26. KKKyle Kulinski7:30

       I, I don't remember that, no-

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       Yeah.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski7:31

       ... but I feel like I would remember that quote. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       (laughs)

   30. KKKyle Kulinski7:33

       (laughs)
4. 7:35 – 8:40

   The Patriot Act

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:35

      like that.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski7:35

      Something like that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      Something like that.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski7:37

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:37

      He's like, "If I was a dictator, this job would be easier."

   6. KKKyle Kulinski7:38

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:39

      Or something, yeah.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski7:39

      I think, you know, someone was calling him a dictator and he's like, "I wish I was a dictator." But that's... He had... Him lamenting the paperwork that he has to go through and all the- (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:47

      Yeah.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski7:48

       Lamenting the paperwork, yeah. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       He's joking the meetings.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski7:49

       I mean, listen, the thing that drove me crazy is that, like... So, you had under Bush and you had under Obama, um, basically the expansion of the security state. And you had, like, the Patriot Act, NSA spying, all these tools that are authoritarian tools that the government can use. And Trump correctly, when he ran, spoke about ending the wars and... But then he gets in power and the wars continue.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       Yeah.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski8:10

       And then he gets in power. He didn't dismantle-... He talks all the time about how, "The Obama campaign was spying on me!" And I'm watching it like, "If only you were in a position of power to do something about that, like disband the NSA!"

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:20

       But it weirdly-

   16. KKKyle Kulinski8:20

       "Stop the NSA spying!"

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:21

       That's, that's a good way to get shot.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski8:22

       Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to get-

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       Put, put you in a convertible.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski8:24

       Actually, Chuck Schumer made that point too-

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Yeah.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski8:26

       ... when he was on MSNBC. He had a moment of honesty where he was like, "You don't mess with the guys in the intelligence agencies because they got a thousand ways to Sunday to get back at you."

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       Right. Yeah, well, that was one of the things that he said to Trump. Glenn, Glenn, Gleam-

   24. KKKyle Kulinski8:37

       Glenn brought that up.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       ... Gleam brought that up.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski8:38

       That's right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       He brought that up-

   28. KKKyle Kulinski8:38

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       ... in the podcast as well.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski8:39

       Mm-hmm. It was.
5. 8:40 – 10:15

   War

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:40

      doesn't it seem like Biden is more of a war hawk though, in a weird way? And Kamala's more of a war hawk. It's about Russia. They're talking about Trump's too friendly with North Korea. He's too friendly with Russia.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski8:48

      Yes, on those issues, absolutely.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:50

      It's kinda weird. I'm like, "Shouldn't we be friendly with these nuclear powers that could shush-" Yeah, but isn't that just to court the people on the right that maybe are... They find him distasteful-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski8:57

      No, no, no.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:58

      ... kind of?

   6. KKKyle Kulinski8:58

      I think... Well, listen, uh, Biden was part of the Obama Administration. We don't have to guess, they continued the wars.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:04

      Yeah.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski9:04

      You know what I mean? And so I think Biden will continue the wars. And to your point, yes, there are specific issues like Russia where what the Democrats say happens to be more hawkish. You know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      It's more bellicose than what the Republicans say.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski9:15

       Um, but the thing that drives me crazy is that whenever any of them get in power, none of them just end the wars. None of them get out of Iraq, none of them get out of Afghanistan. Every now and then, Trump will fire off a tweet where he's like, you know, "We're getting out!" And then one of his generals-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       Well, gee-

   12. KKKyle Kulinski9:25

       ... behind the scenes is like, "No, we're not."

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       Yeah.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski9:27

       And he's like, "You're right, we're not. I was wrong about that." (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Can we afford for, can we afford to get out of the wars? This is an ugly question.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski9:32

       Can we afford-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:33

       Can we afford to stop the wars now? Afford? Yeah. Isn't it a moneymaker? Isn't that why we're there?

   18. KKKyle Kulinski9:38

       Oh, yeah. Well, military-industrial complex, sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       I mean, isn't it a tough-

   20. KKKyle Kulinski9:40

       There are a lot of people that make a lot of money from it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       It's just, it's a tough economy. Maybe we stop the wars in a couple of years.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski9:45

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       I mean, (laughs) I don't know. I think-

   24. KKKyle Kulinski9:47

       No, and actually, one time on CNN-

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       It just seems like an odd time.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski9:50

       ... Wolf Blitzer actually said that to Paul Ru- or, uh, I'm sorry, Rand Paul. When Rand Paul made that argument, he was like, "We should not be giving weapons to, to Saudi Arabia." Um, and Wolf Blitzer's response was, "Yeah, but what about the jobs?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       Right. Did he really say that?

   28. KKKyle Kulinski10:03

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       That's crazy. (laughs)

   30. KKKyle Kulinski10:04

       Yes. He's like-
6. 10:15 – 15:50

   Chris Cuomo

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:15

      hotel in Vegas.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski10:16

      Does he exist as an actual person?

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      He's a human.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski10:18

      Because he's a robot, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:19

      He was coming, he was coming out of the elevator, and I was coming towards him. And he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I wanted to go, "Hey man, can I ask you some questions?"

   6. KKKyle Kulinski10:27

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:27

      "Just a few fucking minutes."

   8. KKKyle Kulinski10:28

      (laughs) Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:29

      And then I, I didn't. I just said, "Hey, what's up?" And I just got in the elevator, and I'm like, "Ah, you should've fucking talked to him."

   10. KKKyle Kulinski10:34

       He's what I alluded to before, which is the reason why he's on CNN for 47 hours a day is because that guy's not gonna rock the boat.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Yeah.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski10:41

       That guy's gonna ask the questions-

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Right.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski10:42

       ... that the people in power want him to ask.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       Right, exactly, exactly. That's what's weird about the system, right? What's weird about the system when you see people like Chris Cuomo, uh, t- talking to his brother, and you know he's never gonna bring up the nursing home thing. It's like-

   16. KKKyle Kulinski10:57

       And they... And he was on CNN, like, every week.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       Yeah. You get this one chance to talk. I mean, you've got a real issue. You got a real issue there.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski11:04

       Beyond... As serious as it gets, life and death issue, and he's directly in charge of it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       Yeah.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski11:07

       He could fix it, and his brother's throwing softballs, talking about, you know, meatballs-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Hey, remember we had meatballs the other week with-

   22. KKKyle Kulinski11:12

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       ... yeah, with the family?

   24. KKKyle Kulinski11:13

       This fucking guy, don't call me Fredo. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       Yeah, I mean, they're disgusting people.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski11:17

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       Um, well, you know, you know the fake weight controversy? I've been in- involved in the fake weight controversy.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski11:22

       (laughs) Yeah, fake weight controversy?

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       Fake weight.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski11:24

       Oh, fake weight?
7. 15:50 – 17:35

   NSA

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      you this. You, you, you see, you say that he should have ended these wars, he should have disband the NSA. Do-

   2. KKKyle Kulinski15:56

      I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far. Just stop the spying.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      I don't, I don't even think it's possible. First of all, I don't think the president has that kind of power. I, I'm ignorant-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski16:02

      Well, technically he does. Like, technically he can 'cause that's an executive agency and he controls the executive agencies.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:07

      So he could literally disband the NSA?

   6. KKKyle Kulinski16:10

      He could do whatever he wants with any of the executive agencies. So he can.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      Uh, good luck, good luck with that.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski16:14

      Well, that gets back to what we were saying before.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:16

      Yeah.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski16:16

       The Schumer point of like, no, they are gonna fuck with you and we're, we've seen that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Right, but don't you think there's... I mean, for sure some shady things have been done. But don't you think there's some benefit to having a really powerful agency like the NSA that understands how to spy on bad people and make sure-

   12. KKKyle Kulinski16:33

       Only if-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       ... that they don't get away with shit?

   14. KKKyle Kulinski16:34

       ... you have due process, only if you follow the constitution and have due process.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       But how can you do that and still spy on people without warrants?

   16. KKKyle Kulinski16:41

       You gotta show evidence. You gotta, you gotta show evidence to a judge, a judge will approve it and then you can spy, but the way-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       But that judge has a big mouth.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski16:47

       But the way it works now, you know, FISA courts is just a rubber stamp-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Right.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski16:50

       ... where they say, "Oh, we wanna spy on this person." They don't even look. "Oh, whatever, that's fine, just go spy on them." And that's where we are where we are now, where the NSA can take everybody's metadata, everybody's information and they can spy on you nonstop. So, you know, i- if you do it and you follow the constitution and you follow the law and you have, uh, you know, a, a reason and you follow due process, well then everybody's okay with it 'cause that's just called regular police work.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       Kennedy wanted to disband the NSA, right?

   22. KKKyle Kulinski17:14

       And now he's dead. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Yeah.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski17:15

       No, CIA, it was CIA.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       It was before we were born.

   26. TDTim Dillon17:18

       Well, he wanted-

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Wasn't it just the CIA?

   28. KKKyle Kulinski17:19

       He, I think he was going after the CIA.

   29. TDTim Dillon17:20

       He wanted to give a lot of the peacetime military, uh, the intelligence gathering capabilities to the Pentagon, to the military and kinda get rid of the CIA's 24/7-

   30. KKKyle Kulinski17:30

       Unaccountable.
8. 17:35 – 18:50

   JFK

   1. KKKyle Kulinski17:35

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:35

      (laughs) There's probably a lot of reasons why he was shot.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski17:39

      Pfft.

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:39

      I mean-

   5. KKKyle Kulinski17:40

      I mean, it's probably multiple-

   6. TDTim Dillon17:41

      Maybe Marilyn Manson was pissed and hired a hit man or something. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:44

      Yeah. Uh, not Marilyn Manson.

   8. TDTim Dillon17:46

      He, he and every-

   9. KKKyle Kulinski17:46

      Oh, Marilyn Monroe? (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       (laughs)

   11. TDTim Dillon17:48

       He and every... New conspiracy.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski17:50

       Marilyn Manson is fucking JFK.

   13. TDTim Dillon17:52

       It says something nice about our country that the deep state hasn't tried to kill Trump. I think that's a good nice thing. It says something-

   14. KKKyle Kulinski18:00

       Well, well-

   15. TDTim Dillon18:01

       It says something nice.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski18:02

       He's keeping the wars going, right? He's keeping the wars going.

   17. TDTim Dillon18:04

       Well, sure, but I also think it's maybe they're getting a little softer.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski18:08

       (laughs)

   19. TDTim Dillon18:08

       A little bit more-

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       More progressive.

   21. TDTim Dillon18:10

       Yeah, more progressive. Or whatever it is, but I think it's nice that they're... 'Cause they were killing everyone. Remember Bobby Kennedy, JFK, MLK. I mean, there was just-

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       There was a period, yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon18:17

       There was just, they were spraying bullets at everybody and now it's kind of a light touch. "Well, we'll say he's a Soviet agent or we'll..."

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       Did you read that book that I told you about, Chaos? That Tom O'Neill book?

   25. TDTim Dillon18:27

       I read a few chapters of it. It's amazing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:29

       It gets into that-

   27. TDTim Dillon18:30

       Really good.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       It gets into Bobby Kennedy at the end.

   29. TDTim Dillon18:32

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       Like that, that, uh, Jolly West guy.
9. 18:50 – 20:35

   Vietnam

   1. KKKyle Kulinski18:50

      tra- uh, a record of all eight bullets that got fired out of that gun and they weren't fired at-

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:55

      ... uh, Robert, I believe is the way he w- was told.

   3. TDTim Dillon18:57

      That whole era was just a lie. Like that whole era was just-

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:00

      A lot of lying.

   5. TDTim Dillon19:01

      Yeah, a lot of lying.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:02

      A lot of fibs.

   7. TDTim Dillon19:03

      A lot of fibs.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski19:03

      You know, but eventually Vietnam ended and we're still in Iraq, we're still in Afghanistan.

   9. TDTim Dillon19:08

      Yeah.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski19:08

       You know what I mean?

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       Well, Vietnam, we c- we talk about it like it was such a long war. It wasn't shit compared to Afghanistan.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski19:13

       Afghanistan, 2001 we started it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       Yeah.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski19:15

       It's 19 years.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:16

       Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon19:16

       Who is still in Afghan- Like...

   17. KKKyle Kulinski19:18

       We still have about, I want to say about 5,000 or 6,000 troops there.

   18. TDTim Dillon19:23

       Wow. Okay. 'Cause I have friends that have done like three tours there and now they're back. Like people have gone three or four tours, entire, you know, chunks of their life in that war. People forget it's even happened.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski19:33

       I covered a story on my show, there was a father and a son. There was an article in some military outlet where the dad is talking about how now my son is going to the same war that I fought in. And, you know, I pulled up a cartoon that was drawn in like '07 or something where somebody made that joke. Joking around like, "Yeah, ha ha, oh father and son going to the same war." Then it happened.

   20. TDTim Dillon19:53

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       Yeah. But you know-

   22. KKKyle Kulinski19:55

       It's really disturbing.

   23. TDTim Dillon19:56

       It's, if, you know, if you're into it, then maybe they like it.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski19:59

       (laughs)

   25. TDTim Dillon19:59

       I mean that's, certain families want to be... Some people just want to go to war. I have friends that are in the military because they like to kill and they want-

   26. KKKyle Kulinski20:08

       Yeah.

   27. TDTim Dillon20:08

       They need to go kill somewhere that's lea- It's true.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:12

       Well, don't you think they think they're doing it for a good reason?

   29. TDTim Dillon20:14

       No. Not, not the people from the Long Island that I know. No.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski20:18

       (laughs)
10. 20:35 – 21:25

    UFC

    1. TDTim Dillon20:35

       As long as it's-

    2. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       I've had conversations with people a- about violence where they're like, you know, like, "Violence has no place in our society." And they, they, they, they think that the UFC is bad for our society. And like-

    3. TDTim Dillon20:43

       Right.

    4. JRJoe Rogan20:44

       Those are some of the... I've seen so few brawls at UFCs, it's, it's amazing.

    5. TDTim Dillon20:49

       Right.

    6. JRJoe Rogan20:49

       I've been to hundreds of those things. I don't know how many times I've ever seen a fight. Like maybe three, four times? Never.

    7. TDTim Dillon20:54

       Yeah.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski20:54

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       And those are drunks.

    10. TDTim Dillon20:56

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan20:56

        You know?

    12. KKKyle Kulinski20:56

        Yeah. But something like that's a good outlet-

    13. JRJoe Rogan20:58

        Yes.

    14. KKKyle Kulinski20:58

        ... for the kind of instincts that you're talking about, you know?

    15. JRJoe Rogan21:00

        Yes. Gets it out of people's system.

    16. KKKyle Kulinski21:02

        I kind of give a fuck if you want to voluntarily have a duel like it's the Old West. You know, go out there and walk 10 paces and turn around and shoot.

    17. JRJoe Rogan21:09

        W- We've had presidents that have done that.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski21:10

        That's right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan21:11

        We've had presidents that had duels-

    20. KKKyle Kulinski21:12

        That's right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan21:12

        ... while they were in office.

    22. TDTim Dillon21:13

        Yeah. Burr and, Burr and, uh, Hamilton, right?

    23. JRJoe Rogan21:16

        I think so.

    24. TDTim Dillon21:17

        It's crazy. Hmm.

    25. KKKyle Kulinski21:17

        Let me look that one up for you. I'm pretty sure it is though.

    26. JRJoe Rogan21:19

        Yes.

    27. TDTim Dillon21:20

        I believe it, Stam.

    28. JRJoe Rogan21:21

        What's really crazy is how recent that was.

    29. TDTim Dillon21:23

        That was pretty, it was-

    30. JRJoe Rogan21:24

        (laughs)

11. 21:25 – 22:15

    Burr Hamilton

    1. JRJoe Rogan21:25

    2. KKKyle Kulinski21:25

       Not that long ago when people are shitting in outhouses and wearing powdered wigs.

    3. TDTim Dillon21:28

       Well, I mean, Trump and Biden are talking about beating each other up. Like i- i- we could see it going back to that.

    4. KKKyle Kulinski21:32

       Ugh. How long would that last? 12 seconds? (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       It would be amazing.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski21:35

       They both gas out.

    7. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       The Burr-Hamilton duel. Look at that.

    8. TDTim Dillon21:40

       Oh, so the vice president?

    9. KKKyle Kulinski21:41

       Vice president versus Secretary of Treasury.

    10. JRJoe Rogan21:42

        What? Oh my God.

    11. TDTim Dillon21:43

        Should that be like-

    12. JRJoe Rogan21:44

        The cr- Early in the morning of July 11th, 18, 11th, 1804. Wow. 220 years ago.

    13. KKKyle Kulinski21:48

        That's like Mike Pence and Steve Mnuchin dueling today.

    14. TDTim Dillon21:51

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan21:51

        The culmination of a long and bitter rivalry between the two men. Wow. Burr shot Hamilton, while Hamilton, Hamilton's shot broke a tree branch above and beyond Burr's head. Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard Jr. Hamilton died at 2:00 the following afternoon. Wow, that's heavy. That's heavy.

    16. TDTim Dillon22:14

        That was back

12. 22:15 – 23:05

    Duels

    1. TDTim Dillon22:15

       before the, the, you had people doing it. Before you had the agencies and the underground people.

    2. JRJoe Rogan22:18

       There was just people.

    3. TDTim Dillon22:19

       It was just muskets. Yeah, just muskets and just dudes being dudes.

    4. KKKyle Kulinski22:23

       If they want to do it, isn't that the ultimate like, you know, libertarian argument? Like, go ahead, stop fucking bothering me.

    5. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       I believe there's places in America, I think Arizona might be one of them where you can still engage in a duel.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski22:34

       Still legal?

    7. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       Because I believe I r- read a story about a cop who, uh, had a duel with a guy who was fucking his wife.

    8. TDTim Dillon22:41

       (gasps)

    9. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Yeah.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski22:43

        A duel. (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan22:44

        (laughs) Yeah.

    12. TDTim Dillon22:45

        AKA shot him in back of the head or some shit.

    13. JRJoe Rogan22:47

        That was, that was why it was controversial.

    14. TDTim Dillon22:49

        Right. Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan22:49

        But I think they had... You know, you know how like some places have mutual combat laws, like Seattle has a mutual combat law where the cops will stand by. Like if two guys want to fight, the cop-

    16. TDTim Dillon22:58

        Oh, is that why like the Proud Boys and Antifa, when they go at it in Seattle, the cops don't do anything?

    17. JRJoe Rogan23:02

        I don't know.

    18. TDTim Dillon23:03

        Okay. That's kind of interesting.

    19. JRJoe Rogan23:04

        I'm once... I just... I think they're

13. 23:05 – 28:05

    Phoenix Jones

    1. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       just overwhelmed.

    2. TDTim Dillon23:05

       I get it, yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan23:06

       But I think in Seattle, in particular, I know-

    4. TDTim Dillon23:09

       Two people want to fight, you can stand by?

    5. JRJoe Rogan23:10

       Yeah, there was a guy named Phoenix Jones, he was a, um... Fucking, I forget his name, but he was... He called himself Phoenix Jones, but he was an actual MMA fighter who would go around and... Hi- his brother was a fairly successful MMA fighter. And he would go around wearing a superhero costume and... Yeah, and literally fight crime. Like if he would see people doing things, he'd stop people. And there's a video of him with his superhero costume beating the shit out of somebody because some guy decided to fight with him and the cops were literally standing there while this one guy's bouncing on the tips of his toes, on the balls of his feet rather, moving, leg kicks the guy, leg kicks the guy again. You're like, "Oh my god, like this poor bastard." Some poor drunk is just getting lit up by a guy who's a-

    6. TDTim Dillon23:56

       Jesus Christ.

    7. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       ... trained MMA fighter with a superhero costume on.

    8. TDTim Dillon23:58

       At what point do they step in? I mean, they'd have to step in at a certain point, right?

    9. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       He's about to beat him to death probably.

    10. TDTim Dillon24:03

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan24:04

        But, but the problem is on the concrete, any punch could result in your death.

    12. TDTim Dillon24:08

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan24:08

        Because if you fall and bounce your head off the thing, you could easily die.

    14. TDTim Dillon24:11

        It could be over.

    15. JRJoe Rogan24:11

        Yeah. Yeah.

    16. TDTim Dillon24:12

        That's right.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski24:13

        By the way, I almost did that today.

    18. JRJoe Rogan24:14

        You almost fell?

    19. KKKyle Kulinski24:15

        I did fall, (laughs) but I almost hit my head. I'm lucky I didn't.

    20. JRJoe Rogan24:18

        What happened?

    21. KKKyle Kulinski24:19

        I was on one of those stupid, uh, Uber scooter things.

    22. JRJoe Rogan24:21

        Oh, no.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski24:22

        Yeah, it was bad.

    24. TDTim Dillon24:23

        Oh, no.

    25. KKKyle Kulinski24:23

        And then as I was falling, I was like, "I'm fucking 32 years old. What am I even doing here?"

    26. JRJoe Rogan24:28

        Well, not only that, you were about to do the most important podcast of your life.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski24:31

        Oh. (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan24:31

        It's just when Trump wins his re-election.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski24:33

        People would've enjoyed it if they saw giant scars. I actually got one here.

    30. TDTim Dillon24:35

        Kyle was telling me how Trump's not gonna win and it sounded kind of persuasive.
14. 28:05 – 30:05

    Alex Jones

    1. SPSpeaker28:05

       it.

    2. JRJoe Rogan28:05

       (laughs)

    3. KKKyle Kulinski28:05

       Who called you that?

    4. JRJoe Rogan28:06

       I don't know, the text lobby.

    5. SPSpeaker28:07

       Somebody. People with pink hair and... you know.

    6. JRJoe Rogan28:09

       Yeah.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski28:10

       (laughs)

    8. SPSpeaker28:10

       People that are angry.

    9. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       Yeah, the same people that were saying that we had an anti-vax message on the Alex-

    10. SPSpeaker28:16

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan28:16

        ... Jones podcast.

    12. KKKyle Kulinski28:16

        Look, listen, you guys were really trying to fact check everything. That was pretty clear to me.

    13. JRJoe Rogan28:20

        Well, not only that, the thing that he said was absolutely true. The thing he said about the one vaccine that, uh, Bill Gates is promoting, that has 80% of the people that took it got sick.

    14. KKKyle Kulinski28:30

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan28:30

        Yeah.

    16. KKKyle Kulinski28:30

        But is he... I'm sure he, he... Is he against all vaccines now?

    17. SPSpeaker28:33

        No, no he's not.

    18. JRJoe Rogan28:34

        No, he's not.

    19. SPSpeaker28:34

        Okay.

    20. JRJoe Rogan28:34

        No, no. D- The thing is like, look, that... Alex Jones is fucked up, right? He really fucked up with the, um, the Sandy Hook thing. Really fucked up. He's had some mental health issues. He's had some st- substance issues, particularly with booze, and he also is constantly around conspiracies. And I think you get legitimately psychotic when you, you delve down those roads. I think you lose your fucking mind.

    21. SPSpeaker28:59

        It's a tough thing.

    22. KKKyle Kulinski28:59

        Mm, yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan28:59

        And he lost his fucking mind.

    24. KKKyle Kulinski29:01

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan29:01

        He lost his fucking mind on more than one occasion. He has, but he's not-

    26. SPSpeaker29:05

        And he knows he's made mistakes.

    27. JRJoe Rogan29:06

        What everybody says... Yeah.

    28. SPSpeaker29:07

        Is your mic on? Jamie, I think your mics on. It's very loud over there.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski29:10

        (laughs)

    30. SPSpeaker29:10

        He knows he's made mistakes.
15. 30:05 – 31:35

    Trumps Path

    1. JRJoe Rogan30:05

    2. SPSpeaker30:05

       They're very good.

    3. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       They're so good. You want one?

    4. KKKyle Kulinski30:07

       No, I prefer chicken or beef like a real man.

    5. SPSpeaker30:11

       Okay. Well, I apologize.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski30:12

       (laughs)

    7. SPSpeaker30:13

       McDonald's Steakhouse. So you're saying that if everything's equal and Trump wins everything he won in 2016-

    8. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       Right.

    9. SPSpeaker30:22

       ... he still has a very narrow path to victory?

    10. KKKyle Kulinski30:25

        No. So the point that I was making, and I'll explain it for people who didn't get the gist of it, but it basically... If you take the polls in 2016 and do the same sort of pro-Trump swing that happened on election day, they've done that, and when you calculate those numbers, it's still Biden with 335 electoral votes. So even if you have that same pro-Trump swing, it's still Biden winning by a fairly safe margin. Now, to get to your point about does he have a path? Yes, Trump has a path for sure, but it's basically one path and he can't afford any mess ups along the way. So he has to win, he has to win Florida. He has to win Pennsylvania. He has to win Arizona. He has to win Ohio. And these... Like, Ohio and Iowa are the only two swing states where he's actually up in the average of the polling. All the other ones, he's down. And there's also another...... crazy thing going on, which it... And I struggle to believe this as well. I think Trump is probably gonna win Texas, but the polling right there now is they're actually dead tied. Biden and Trump are dead tied in Texas.

    11. TDTim Dillon31:24

        That is the craziest thing.

    12. JRJoe Rogan31:25

        Doesn't that s- doesn't that skew, uh, bias towards Democrats because they're traditionally, um, voting earlier by mail?

    13. KKKyle Kulinski31:32

        Yeah. So that was another point that I was going to get to. When the votes

16. 31:35 – 34:35

    Mail Ins

    1. KKKyle Kulinski31:35

       roll in, everybody's gonna freak out at every single thing that they see. But there are some states that count the mail-ins first and when they count the mail-ins first, it's gonna look like Biden's winning in a landslide. And then there, there's other states that do the opposite, which is they count the on the day votes first. And the states that do that, it's gonna look like Trump is winning in a landslide. So basically, everybody has to relax until you actually get, you know, to a very high percentage of the votes counted before you really know what's going on, because there's gonna be big swings throughout the night in ev- virtually every state. But I actually have the specific states if you're interested in knowing which states are going to swing like that.

    2. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       Well, let's find out where we're at right now. Is there, uh, anything, Jamie, that shows us where we're at right now? Here we go. Look at that. Florida looks like Trump, Alabama Trump, Mississippi Trump. It's Trump. Trump won.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski32:20

       Okay. So here right now-

    4. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       Trump is the president.

    5. TDTim Dillon32:22

       It's over. He won again.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski32:24

       So right now-

    7. JRJoe Rogan32:25

       Texas is blue.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski32:27

       'Cause that's... And again, okay, that's 'cause they're counting the mail-ins first, and the mail-ins are heavily Biden. See, that's what I'm saying is like, it's a little misleading to watch it second by second because it, they're... It's going to be skewed based on which votes they're counting.

    9. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       Hmm.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski32:39

        You see what I'm saying?

    11. TDTim Dillon32:39

        What's the chance we don't have an answer tonight?

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:42

        100%.

    13. KKKyle Kulinski32:43

        Probably 50 or 60% chance we don't have an answer tonight.

    14. TDTim Dillon32:46

        What's the chance that people handle that maturely and don't burn things down and throw bricks through windows?

    15. KKKyle Kulinski32:50

        Negative 14,000%. (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:53

        Right. Right. Look, so far it's 85-55 Joe Biden's winning.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski32:58

        So there's a few surprises up there, by the way. There, obviously Texas is a surprise, but even Ohio, Trump was up in Ohio in the average of polls, and that's looking blue. But again, I don't want to get ahead of myself because I just told you guys don't pay attention until the number gets up a lot more.

    18. TDTim Dillon33:12

        60-40.

    19. JRJoe Rogan33:12

        Yeah, 60-40.

    20. KKKyle Kulinski33:13

        No, see that's gonna swing back to Trump though as time goes by because there's no way Ohio is going to finish on that number. No way. Not a chance in hell. Only 32% reporting. That means they're counting the mail-ins. That's what that tells me.

    21. JRJoe Rogan33:26

        And all the other states are just in, in play?

    22. KKKyle Kulinski33:29

        Um, so as time goes by, the, the polls close at different times. And so I could tell you the order that everything closes here. We're supposed to get... 7:00 we had Vermont, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Indiana and Kentucky. Georgia is the only one of those that's really a swing state. Um, 7:30 we had, we have North Carolina, Ohio and West Virginia. North Carolina and Ohio are both swing states. Then at 8:00 we get clonked over the head. So we just got clonked over the head here. We have Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, Maine's, uh, first district, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Florida, uh, Maine second district, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma. Only one, two, three of those are swing states. We really have Pennsylvania, Florida and Maine second district. Um, and then 9:00 we get New York and a bunch of others as well.

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:17

        I've never felt a time where the country was more on edge during an election.

    24. KKKyle Kulinski34:22

        Because there's never been a time where it's been this bad. No way.

    25. TDTim Dillon34:24

        Ever?

    26. KKKyle Kulinski34:24

        No way.

    27. TDTim Dillon34:25

        They came up-

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:25

        No way.

    29. TDTim Dillon34:25

        ... with a thing, they said there's like a political, I forget what it is, but there's some indicator of political tension. They said it's higher now than the Civil War.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        Whoa, Jesus.
17. 34:35 – 36:35

    Civil War

    1. TDTim Dillon34:35

       that's what they said.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski34:35

       ... shooting each other in the face. (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:37

       (laughs)

    4. TDTim Dillon34:37

       Well, listen, that can happen.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       They were very polite and genteel.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski34:41

       That is true. And they wore powdered wigs and-

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:42

       That could happen with us though.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski34:44

       You know, I think... Honestly, Joe, I think that we just have too many good distractions to ever be in a civil war. Like people might think like, "Oh, let's go do it." And then they go, "You know, Netflix has some new shit out and I'd rather just watch that." You know what I mean? We can fight and there will be-

    9. TDTim Dillon34:59

       We hope. We hope.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski34:59

        ... there will be civil unrest like we've been seeing.

    11. TDTim Dillon35:01

        Yeah.

    12. KKKyle Kulinski35:01

        But, you know, I don't think it would ever get to the point of a real civil war.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:05

        So what happened with that Kyle Rittenhouse kid? Like the judge didn't press charges, but then they extradited him to, uh, Kenosha, right?

    14. TDTim Dillon35:14

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:15

        So what happened there?

    16. TDTim Dillon35:16

        I don't know. I watched the tape and the, you know, clearly they, he went to... Him and his parents went to the, the protest, right? With, uh, heavily armed, right? Which is not... That's a choice that the family makes, right? I mean, that's, that's a certain type of family that goes heavily armed to a protest. Um, we didn't do that when I was growing up.

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:35

        (laughs)

    18. TDTim Dillon35:36

        Um, and then there was a skirmish, but if you watch the video, people got mad at me on Twitter because I said that I think if you watch the video, you do see people chasing him. Uh, and then he shoots them, which again, this is all too good.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski35:46

        So he, he's in court now, right? Isn't he... Bail for Kyle Rittenhouse?

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:49

        So, but something happened where the judge said he wasn't gonna prosecute him. That's why I was confused. I thought he was being released because I had read another ruling where the judge wasn't going to press charges. And a bunch of YouTube people are making these videos about it. Like Kyle Rittenhouse, they're going to free him and then all of a sudden he's now, uh, got $2 million bail.

    21. KKKyle Kulinski36:09

        I saw on Twitter that somebody tweeted, uh, it said, it was a sign that said, "Kyle's life matters."

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:16

        Oh, Jesus.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski36:17

        Yeah. And I thought, "That should be about me." (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:22

        (laughs)

    25. TDTim Dillon36:22

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:22

        And not him. It should be Kyle Dunnigan, keep up that, uh, Instagram page. The, the thing is like he's not even supposed to be open carrying. So him carrying a gun was illegal. It was not good.

    27. SPSpeaker36:33

        This is probably what you read.

18. 36:35 – 38:35

    Tactical Life

    1. SPSpeaker36:35

    2. JRJoe Rogan36:35

       What's that, Jamie?

    3. SPSpeaker36:36

       This is probably what you read from the other day.

    4. JRJoe Rogan36:38

       Well, that says he's extradited to face homicide charges.

    5. TDTim Dillon36:40

       I feel like, listen, the kid's got horrible parents. They're probably... They're pr- It's probably a very bad family. Not that this excuses the behavior. Like, I think the family drove him to the protest, right?

    6. KKKyle Kulinski36:52

       Jesus Christ, really?

    7. TDTim Dillon36:53

       I believe so. Yeah, it's like the mom and the dad. I mean, this is not a good group.

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:57

       Now there was something else, Jamie, this is not it. There was something else where the, they were not pressing charges. I guess somebody else did.

    9. SPSpeaker37:05

       Yeah, probably Illinois was not pressing charges so that Wisconsin could.

    10. JRJoe Rogan37:08

        But it was in Kenosha, right? The, the actual shooting was in Kenosha, wasn't it?

    11. JVJamie Vernon37:16

        ... yeah, but he's from Illinois I believe.

    12. KKKyle Kulinski37:19

        I think that sounds right. I think that's what it was.

    13. JVJamie Vernon37:21

        So, he went-

    14. SPSpeaker37:22

        That Illinois wasn't going to charge him, but Kenosha did? So it took-

    15. JVJamie Vernon37:25

        Yeah. He probably went home... Yeah. He had been, being held in Illinois. I think he went home and got arrested. Yeah. Remember? They didn't arrest him right away.

    16. SPSpeaker37:31

        Yeah. They took a trip to the protest, so where... He's just not from the area they were having the protest. Which is even more weird, but-

    17. JVJamie Vernon37:36

        It's crazy. It's crazy.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski37:37

        A lot of people are all about this, man. A lot of people love this, uh, you know-

    19. SPSpeaker37:41

        Tactical life.

    20. KKKyle Kulinski37:41

        ... yeah, kinda lifestyle where they're just kinda searching for stuff to do. You know?

    21. SPSpeaker37:44

        What do you attribute that to? Like the rise in violence and the rise of people kind of- Fitting examples. ... s- sc- is that it?

    22. JVJamie Vernon37:51

        No.

    23. SPSpeaker37:51

        What do you think it is?

    24. JVJamie Vernon37:51

        No, I'm not with it. (laughs)

    25. SPSpeaker37:52

        Just kidding.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski37:52

        I think, um, honestly man, I... And some people might come after me for this, but I really believe that over the years the evidence would show that when people feel like there's zero hope for a brighter future, and they're perpetually shit on by a system that doesn't give a fuck about them, that yeah, usually you turn to more extreme ideologies across the political spectrum.

    27. SPSpeaker38:15

        Right. It makes a lot of sense.

    28. KKKyle Kulinski38:17

        I mean, I wouldn't say that it's-

    29. SPSpeaker38:18

        Do you really think that that's why he showed up at that protest with a gun?

    30. KKKyle Kulinski38:21

        Well no, because I was just gonna say, it, you have to look at everything on a case by case basis and there are gonna be many individual instances where somebody does something fucked up because of, say, mental illness, or somebody does something fucked up because they were brainwashed into some sort of fundamentalist

19. 38:35 – 41:35

    Unhealthy Society

    1. KKKyle Kulinski38:35

       cult from when they're a kid. But I think the broader societal trends where these things kinda catch on and more and more people are willing to be involved in some sort of violence, I think you have to have an unhealthy society in the first place to have that flourish. You see what I'm saying?

    2. SPSpeaker38:52

       Yeah, I do see what you're saying. Yeah. There's a... That makes, that makes sense.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski38:55

       I mean, listen, uh, this is probably the classic example, but you couldn't have had Hitler rise to power without The Treaty of Versailles which fucked Germany after World War I. And so, you had this whole generation of Germans who were like, "We've been fucking shit on and left behind and, you know, what, what do we, what are we supposed to do? We feel like there's no way out." And then you have this charismatic guy come up and say, "Hey, it's not your fault. Blame the Jews." And they're like, "Oh yeah, it is them." So, this is what happens. I mean, and I, and I really fear that stuff is gonna get worse in this country because the economic situation is just abysmal. I mean, you talk about this all the time on your show, but when you shut down the economy basically, because of the virus, you can't shut down the economy and then not give people a lifeline monetarily 'cause then they can't pay the fucking bills.

    4. SPSpeaker39:40

       Right.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski39:40

       This, this isn't rocket science. You know? And a lot of other countries, Joe, what they did is, they did like this wage replacement thing, where they temporarily nationalized wages. So, in other words if the government told you, "Hey, you can't work because of COVID," they would then say, "And that's why we're gonna pay 75% of your wage until COVID is over."

    6. SPSpeaker39:57

       Could they have done that in this country?

    7. KKKyle Kulinski39:59

       Oh, we absolutely could've done it. We chose not to do it. In fact, what we did is probably the worst of all worlds which is, we took trillions of dollars and threw them at the corporations and said, "Here, we're giving you a bailout." And then the corporations turned around and fired people anyway.

    8. SPSpeaker40:11

       Yeah. In the beginning of COVID, like Trump, they would have like these press conferences and they would be like, they would be like the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings would come out.

    9. JVJamie Vernon40:18

       (laughs)

    10. KKKyle Kulinski40:18

        (laughs)

    11. SPSpeaker40:18

        And like, they'd be like, "Let's bring out the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings." And the guy's like, "Hey, we're just committed to helping. We're taking some of our napkins and making face masks." Like, it was just, just crazy group of people that came out. Like the guy who ran Red Lobster was like, "We're also getting involved in the fight."

    12. KKKyle Kulinski40:37

        (laughs)

    13. SPSpeaker40:37

        It was absurd. It's always corporate, like-

    14. KKKyle Kulinski40:40

        Always corporate.

    15. SPSpeaker40:40

        ... it's always corporate. It's like, "Listen, let's, let's let Dave & Busters make ventilators and fix it."

    16. JVJamie Vernon40:46

        (laughs)

    17. SPSpeaker40:46

        But the idea that they would give those people that money and not have a clause in there where you can't fire people is amazing.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski40:52

        That's right. I mean, and again, this also happened in the Wall Street bailout back, you know, under Bush and under Obama. They, they always do the same thing. They bail them out and they have no strings attached, and then what happens is, you know, these executives paid bonuses to the same people who crashed the company. And you know, there's no accountability. Those people fail up all the time. They fail up. "Oh, I bankrupted my company, but it's okay. The Gold... The government gave me, you know, a billion dollars," because Goldman Sachs basically owns the government, you know, and that's how it works and it's incredibly corrupt. And that's why when something bad happens and the people need a bailout, they never get a bailout. What's, what do people get? A one-time $1,200 stimulus check.

    19. SPSpeaker41:29

        Which is amazing. And we thought at least it was gonna come more frequently, it never came again. The idea of getting-

    20. KKKyle Kulinski41:34

        Never came again.

    21. SPSpeaker41:34

        ... one

20. 41:35 – 44:35

    Unemployment

    1. SPSpeaker41:35

       check in eight months is kind of insane.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski41:37

       People don't have money to, to stay afloat.

    3. SPSpeaker41:40

       There are people who have been trying to get unemployment for like six months.

    4. KKKyle Kulinski41:43

       That's right.

    5. SPSpeaker41:43

       They can't even get unemployment because these fucking states... I mean, it's crazy. And all the protection for people getting evicted is, uh, uh, soon gonna expire.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski41:52

       That's right. And so we're about to... You know, I saw a tweet about this earlier from, uh, the guy at The Washington Post, one of the only good people at The Washington Post, and he was basically listing it and he's like, "Here are the things that expire, you know, in the upcoming however many months." And people are screwed, man. They're screwed. I don't know how they're gonna pay bills. We're already seeing polls where like 30% of people say, "I can't make rent."

    7. SPSpeaker42:12

       So, what could, what could they have-

    8. KKKyle Kulinski42:13

       But I mean-

    9. SPSpeaker42:14

       Have those people tried hustling and grinding?

    10. KKKyle Kulinski42:16

        OnlyFans is-

    11. SPSpeaker42:17

        (laughs) It's just-

    12. KKKyle Kulinski42:17

        ... seeing a big explosion. (laughs)

    13. SPSpeaker42:19

        Yeah. I think Gary V would, would basically tell them that they should just in- invest in themselves. #Keepgoing #Keepgoing, just never give up. You just never give up and just hustle and grind. #Hustle And just, you know, just do it. Um, so what country handled it well?

    14. KKKyle Kulinski42:35

        So, the example that we've spoken about this before, but, um, I liked... Early on I liked what Japan did because Japan did like limited shutdowns. They did some shutdowns 'cause some things there's no escaping it, it, it makes sense to shut them down just because of the nature of what they are, like bars, everybody's breathing on each other two feet away or whatever. So, they did limited shutdowns, but basically the only thing they did is they had a universal mask policy and culturally it's viewed like you're the biggest asshole on the planet if you're not wearing a fucking mask in a place where you should be wearing a mask. And then they only had 1,000 COVID cases when we had like 80,000, 90,000, 100,000 and rising steadily. So, that's one way we could've done it or the other way you could've done it is you could've copied any of the European nations that when they shut down, they did, "Hey, we'll pay you 75% of your wages until this thing is over."

    15. SPSpeaker43:15

        What Euro- European nation, Europe-

    16. KKKyle Kulinski43:16

        France was one that did that, where they shut it down and paid people, I think it was 75% of their wages.

    17. SPSpeaker43:20

        Right.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski43:20

        But I think the UK did that-

    19. SPSpeaker43:21

        Yeah.

    20. KKKyle Kulinski43:21

        ... too for a little bit. It may have been 80% of, of their wages.

    21. SPSpeaker43:24

        But isn't this a thing where unfortunately-

    22. TDTim Dillon43:27

        ... a lot of those other, you know, or fortunately, however you want to say, a lot of those other countries, they just are, they're more of a monolith and it's easier. You know, those people are, there's not this idea of, you know, the freedom and, and, uh, doing your own thing and, and, and, and ow- owning your own business. Like, a lot of those countries are, by their nature, the populous is just more submissive.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski43:50

        There's definitely, there's definitely cultural differences.

    24. TDTim Dillon43:53

        Right.

    25. KKKyle Kulinski43:53

        But I think that, especially in the case of France, the government is scared of the people because they're like, "You better fucking do shit that's gonna help us or else why are you even in power?" Whereas here, I feel like we're more like, "Okay, just government, don't fuck, fuck this up too much." You know what I mean?

    26. TDTim Dillon44:08

        Right. Right.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski44:08

        So, uh, but again, it, you, there were multiple ways to address this and if you go the way Japan went, you could've kept a lot more stuff open and just had everybody wear masks. If you want-

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:19

        But was anybody in government calling for more stimulus checks? Was anybody in government call- calling for more relief? Was anybody in government calling for, like, anybody on the left, calling for these checks to be distributed?

    29. KKKyle Kulinski44:30

        Oh, absolutely.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:31

        Who was calling for this?
21. 44:35 – 47:35

    The Heroes Act

    1. KKKyle Kulinski44:35

       made fun of, they were calling for it.

    2. TDTim Dillon44:36

       Who were they saying?

    3. KKKyle Kulinski44:36

       They happen to be right on this economic stuff.

    4. TDTim Dillon44:38

       Mm-hmm.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski44:39

       Not only were people calling for it, Joe, I believe one of these things passed. I think it's called the Heroes Act and there were provisions where they gave people more of a recurring stimulus check. This wasn't a wage replacement, I should be clear. We're not talking about nationalizing wages like they did over there, but you can do a similar version of that by just doing a universal basic income.

    6. TDTim Dillon44:55

       Mm-hmm.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski44:55

       You know, that's Andrew Yang's idea. It's something that he's really popularized. There's other ways to go about it. Recurring stimulus checks-

    8. TDTim Dillon45:00

       Well, on the third night of quarantine, man, Nancy Pelosi was giving a tour of her to- like, townhouse or her house.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski45:04

       Listen, she's the worst.

    10. TDTim Dillon45:06

        And she was showing the different gelatos that she had in her freezer. This is right after 30 million people were instantly made unemployed. And Nancy Pelosi was like, get going, "We like the chocolate and then we like this." And it was, like, the craziest thing I'd ever seen and that's the party that's supposed to care.

    11. JRJoe Rogan45:21

        But she's- she's done so many things like that.

    12. TDTim Dillon45:24

        Yeah, so many.

    13. JRJoe Rogan45:25

        Like, she, she lied about telling people, like, when people were, uh, like, when the pandemic was first starting-

    14. TDTim Dillon45:30

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan45:30

        She was telling people, "Please go out. Go to Chinatown."

    16. KKKyle Kulinski45:33

        Yeah. People were acting like total idiots and they weren't listening to the real experts early on and everything was incredibly politicized. But it, to answer your question, though, from before, Trump and Mnuchin were calling for it too, Joe. They also wanted stimulus checks. The people who didn't want stimulus checks? Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. But Trump and Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, wanted stimulus checks because listen, Trump knew, "Hey, you know, I'm kind of struggling in the polls here. I wanna throw a Hail Mary pass." One of the ways to get people to like you, you know, three weeks before an election, cut them another stimulus check and he famously wanted his name on the checks. He said, "Put my name on the check so that when people cash it, they know that it's from me and then they're more likely to vote for me." And what got in his way was Nancy Pelosi, who wouldn't accept any deal even if it was a good deal, and Mitch McConnell who, even if Nancy Pelosi accepted the stimulus deal, Mitch McConnell would've blocked it anyway. So, those are the real ghouls because Trump wanted stimulus checks, Mnuchin wanted stimulus checks, and this is to their credit-

    17. TDTim Dillon46:32

        Do they ever leave? Do they ever leave... She's 100-

    18. KKKyle Kulinski46:35

        I know, man.

    19. TDTim Dillon46:35

        I mean, does she ever go away?

    20. KKKyle Kulinski46:37

        I know.

    21. JRJoe Rogan46:38

        She's spooky. When she went to that fucking, uh, beauty salon and had no mask on-

    22. TDTim Dillon46:42

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan46:42

        ... and then was talking about it, "They should apologize. They set me up." Like, you know, I've said this before, I'll say it again, I don't even have hair-

    24. TDTim Dillon46:49

        Right. (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan46:49

        ... and I knew the beauty salons were closed.

    26. TDTim Dillon46:50

        Right, everyone knew. (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan46:52

        You know, you, that lady is 150 years old-

    28. TDTim Dillon46:54

        The greatest-

    29. JRJoe Rogan46:54

        ... she must get her hair dyed every 15 minutes.

    30. TDTim Dillon46:56

        Yeah, the greatest story about her was there was a bird that got in her Georgetown townhouse and she had to chase this big bird out of her-
22. 47:35 – 50:35

    Drinking Water

    1. KKKyle Kulinski47:35

    2. JRJoe Rogan47:35

       Was fake drinking, he's like, "Can I get a sip of water? Can I get a glass of water?"

    3. KKKyle Kulinski47:39

       Oh, gosh.

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       "This is not a stunt. I actually need a glass of water. I'm actually thirsty."

    5. KKKyle Kulinski47:42

       Kids are getting poisoned as he's doing this, yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:44

       And here, here, like this. This is what he does. (gagging) He took a little poison.

    7. TDTim Dillon47:50

       That's kind of a fun bit, though.

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:52

       He says, "This is not a stunt."

    9. KKKyle Kulinski47:53

       (laughs)

    10. TDTim Dillon47:54

        I mean, hey.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:56

        "Can I get a glass of water?"

    12. KKKyle Kulinski47:57

        We still don't have clean water in Flint, Michigan all these years later.

    13. TDTim Dillon48:00

        Why- why is, why is that so hard to fix?

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:02

        That's a good question.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski48:03

        I think the reason why, they didn't want to spend the extra money to get the proper pipes and so then when it got terrible and it was contaminated, they were like, "Whoopsie." And then I don't know how at this late date they haven't fixed it yet. That strikes me as absolutely absurd.

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:17

        Right, that was the Obama administration, so we've gone through an entire-

    17. KKKyle Kulinski48:20

        Happened under Obama, mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan48:21

        ... Trump administration and it hasn't been repaired. Insane.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski48:23

        Obama didn't do anything serious, Trump didn't do anything serious.

    20. TDTim Dillon48:26

        And those, that's people's lives. Those are kids' lives, man. It's fucked up.

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:28

        Well, no, that is long term repercussions, right? So, we're talking about people now, who knows what it's like 15 years from now, 20 years from now, growing up without water?

    22. KKKyle Kulinski48:38

        Right. And listen, people, this is the stuff that actually matters to people. If you really, if you want to be successful running for political office, it's not that difficult. It's the bread and butter issues. It's the basics; wages, jobs, you know, I don't want your water to be poisoned.

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:54

        What stops them from fixing these things?

    24. KKKyle Kulinski48:56

        A lot of it's corruption. A lot of it's the fact that these politicians take money from corporations and billionaires and then they turn around and they serve them and they don't do anything that their constituents want. Because as a general rule, whatever the people want is opposed by the billionaire class. The billionaire class just wants more tax cuts for themselves. Regular people, if you look at the polls, they want, you know, a living wage, for example. They want to end the wars. They want to do an infrastructure deal and give people jobs. Like, the things are, are very basic and actually, this gets back to what we were talking about earlier because Trump in 2016...He was, he never got credit for running a superb campaign, 'cause he really did. When Hillary Clinton was not stepping foot in the Rust Belt to campaign, he was doing rallies there in the final weeks leading up to the election, where he would non-stop hammer on jobs and he would say, you know, "Hillary and Bill, they outsourced your job with NAFTA, they outsourced your job with permanent normal trade relations with China. I'm gonna bring your job back. I'm the outsider, she's the insider. They sent your kids to go die in a war. I want to get us out of the war." And he just kept hammering her and hammering her and hammering her. And the reason he won is because those states are the states that he picked off to win the electoral college. He won by something from like 70,000 to 110,000 votes. And in fact, I kind of want to show you this ad because it, it shows it perfectly. Trump's closing ad in 2016, that's actually what it's called on YouTube. Jamie, if you want to pull that up. Uh, Trump's closing argument ad or something like that. The ad is phenomenal. It's, it's policy based, it's substance based, and he portrays himself as the outsider.

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:26

        (coughs)

    26. KKKyle Kulinski50:26

        And then comparing how good his campaign was in 2016 versus how shitty it is this time around, I'm not surprised that Joe

23. 50:35 – 53:35

    Biden vs Trump

    1. KKKyle Kulinski50:35

       Biden, who barely has a functioning brain, is casually up by nine points, eight points, nine points, whatever it is.

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:41

       But is, do you, wouldn't you agree that it's not that Joe Biden's run a good campaign, it's that people hate Trump.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski50:47

       It, that's exactly right.

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:49

       Yeah.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski50:49

       That's exactly right.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:49

       And look, the-

    7. KKKyle Kulinski50:50

       But they didn't hate Trump 2016. Trump 2016 was a good politician. The best thing that Biden did-

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:54

       He was a really good politician.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski50:56

       ... in this cycle is not really go out to deal with the public. Hide. Like that's what-

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:02

        Well, every time he did-

    11. KKKyle Kulinski51:03

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:03

        ... he fucked up 50% of the time. Exactly. So that was a, if there's anything that they did good, it's keeping him away-

    13. KKKyle Kulinski51:10

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:10

        ... from the people.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski51:11

        Do you think though that if COVID didn't happen, where the economy was before COVID-

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:15

        Trump-

    17. KKKyle Kulinski51:15

        ... Trump-

    18. JRJoe Rogan51:15

        ... was much more likely to win.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski51:16

        Well, no. He was winning 100%. Much more likely to win. Absolutely.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:19

        I mean, dude, without COVID, Trump is, is, I mean, he's, he wins. Do you buy the argument that Trump is responsible for the economy's big boom, or do you think that he was riding off the wave of Obama, or do you think it's a combination of both things?

    21. KKKyle Kulinski51:36

        See, that's interesting 'cause I actually don't agree with either one of those. I think the economy was always a house of cards. I don't buy it when people say, "Oh, we have a low unemployment rate and the stock market is doing well, so people are doing well." No. Even before COVID, 78% of the country was living paycheck to paycheck. Like it, it's, it's a house of cards. They use these indicators which are not good economic indicators for regular people. They're good economic indicators for the top 10% that have fucking stocks. You know what I mean?

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:59

        Mm-hmm. Right.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski51:59

        And, and by the way, it's the gig economy, right? It's not that people were necessarily unemployed, but people were underemployed. They would have these j- they'd have these fucking degrees from colleges and then they'd have to go take a job where they're basically making minimum wage, uh, working as an independent contractor, not an employee. So like, the economy was always a house of cards, and I never bought the argument. And by the way, not a hypocrite on this, 'cause when Obama was acting like his economy was good, I was like, "Your economy's fucking shit." It's got the same problem as it was under Trump. These are not good economic indicators. I care about wages, for example. Rates of unionization usually go right along with the health of the middle class. Back when we had strong unions in this country, we had one of the healthiest middle classes in the world.

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:39

        What killed that off? NAFTA?

    25. KKKyle Kulinski52:41

        Um, no. NAFTA was, it had a lot to do with the outsourcing of jobs. Actually permanent normal trade relations with China was worse on that front. There was more outsourced under that than under NAFTA. Um, it was-

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:51

        But out- but we did lose a lot of jobs in the auto industry, we lost a lot of job, a lot of jobs were outsourced.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski52:56

        Well, that, that was because, that, again, that was because of corruption. That's because the people who were the executives at these companies, they pay the politicians to run their campaigns and then they would go to the politicians and say, "Hey, hey. I financed your last campaign, I need you to do me a favor. I want to, you know, make my product a lot cheaper, so I'd like to ship it to some Chinese factory where we have, you know, a 14-year-old working for me, as opposed to paying an American worker a living wage with good benefits." So it all comes down to money. It all comes down to, you know, corruption and-

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:27

        That really does show what k- what hypocrites we are, because all these people who are progressive, they all have iPhones in their pockets.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski53:32

        Yes, that's right. And you're right, we're all hypocrites. All of us are

24. 53:35 – 56:35

    Ethical Phones

    1. KKKyle Kulinski53:35

       hypocrites.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:35

       And that, like unless you're buying some phone that, uh, what, like what is the most, we've talked about this before, Jamie, but I don't remember anything, what is the most ethical phone you can buy? 'Cause it's clear-

    3. KKKyle Kulinski53:47

       Was it the Fairphone? Remember?

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:49

       Right. Right.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski53:50

       I think I heard, I think I learned that from you.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:51

       Yeah. That's right. That's right, that's what it is. And, uh, even that, like where are the minerals coming from? If you follow the chain-

    7. KKKyle Kulinski53:58

       And there's slaves somewhere.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:59

       ... of parts and there's a slave with a stick.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski54:00

       There's slaves somewhere. That's right.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:01

        But like, how do you, what do you do though?

    11. KKKyle Kulinski54:03

        Cultural, I know man, it's tough.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        I mean, that's the problem, it's, we're all complicit in these things. What do you do? I mean...

    13. KKKyle Kulinski54:07

        I mean, we could do what we can control, and I did think, you know, a lot of Trump's rhetoric in 2016 on trade-

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:16

        Are they really slaves-

    15. KKKyle Kulinski54:17

        ... I think he was correct.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:17

        ... in the China, that are making the phones? (laughs) Slaves in the China.

    17. SPSpeaker54:22

        (laughs)

    18. KKKyle Kulinski54:22

        In the factory.

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:22

        You know what I mean? Are they really slaves-

    20. KKKyle Kulinski54:25

        Foxconn, whatever it's called.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:25

        ... that they don't enjoy it all?

    22. SPSpeaker54:27

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:27

        Do they not enjoy it all to make-

    24. KKKyle Kulinski54:29

        Well, there was actually an expose-

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:30

        They make, this is beautiful.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski54:31

        There was actually an expose recently written by a guy who, uh, posed as a w- he's a, a, a guy of Chinese descent but I believe he's American, and he worked in, um, a factory, uh, making iPhones and doing one thing 12 hours a day. And he wrote a story about it, like how inhumane the conditions are there. Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:51

        And, just to-

    28. KKKyle Kulinski54:52

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:52

        ... try to get it in people's heads like, this is what you're supporting when you buy a phone. What's really kind of crazy is that Apple, with all their money, right, and they're my favorite phone company, right? They're, they're, they're my favorite phone company because they don't, they don't, they, they don't sell your information like Google does.

    30. KKKyle Kulinski55:09

        Right. Yeah, they care about privacy. They, right.
25. 56:35 – 1:03:22

    What Do You Need

    1. KKKyle Kulinski56:35

       even... Like, virtue signal has a negative connotation. That's a good virtue signal.

    2. JRJoe Rogan56:38

       Right. But I mean in a good way, but in a good way.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski56:39

       Yeah, yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan56:39

       What, what do you nee- ... Like, I have a new phone. I got a 12. I'm a fucking moron. Right? I was like, "Oh, get 12, better camera!"

    5. SPSpeaker56:45

       (laughs)

    6. KKKyle Kulinski56:45

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan56:46

       "Get a better camera! Oh, sides, sides! They're flat now! Yeah, love it!" Um. But I don't need it, right?

    8. SPSpeaker56:56

       Yeah, yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:56

       Like if you made a phone that's the equivalent of the iPhone 7, right? And, uh, it cost $900, but you feel good about yourself. You don't, you don't feel bad. What the fuck do you need your phone to do? It's not making complex computations. It's not doing, like, s- super, uh, difficult, uh, video rendering. Unless you're a hardcore gamer on your phone.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski57:16

        Yeah.

    11. SPSpeaker57:16

        Mm-hmm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan57:17

        What are you really using your goddamn phone? You're FaceTiming your friends.

    13. KKKyle Kulinski57:20

        Texting.

    14. JRJoe Rogan57:20

        You're making a few text messages. You're checking your email. Maybe you watch a YouTube video. You play a podcast when you're in your car, you listen to music. What the fuck are you using your phone for that you need a new processor every... Oh, the new OLED has, you know, the, the, the new resolution is far better than the old re- there's more pixels.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski57:37

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan57:37

        Listen, I'm 53 years old. I need glasses to see my fucking text messages.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski57:41

        (laughs) Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan57:41

        I don't know what's going on with your pixels. If, if you could sell a phone that you, you could feel good about, where you could say if a phone company came out with that and that was their big campaign, if, if it was ever a time, now is the time they could do that. And I would buy it.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski57:56

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan57:56

        I don't fucking need this stupid new phone, but I bought it 'cause I'm a moron. Right? But if, if a phone company came out and said, "This is it. We have a phone." Maybe Korea's better. Maybe Samsung's better. I don't know where they're making their shit or where they're doing their shit.

    21. KKKyle Kulinski58:13

        I think, I think they're all bad. I think at the, at the core of it s- that slavery involved with all this. And it's terrible, but it's probably true, right?

    22. JRJoe Rogan58:20

        Yeah.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski58:20

        Like, is anybody's hands really clean in all this?

    24. JRJoe Rogan58:23

        I mean, it's relative, right? Like, relatively clean, cleaner. I mean it's like-

    25. KKKyle Kulinski58:26

        But I mean, this is why we need efficient, effective regulation.

    26. JRJoe Rogan58:30

        Right. Is it even possible?

    27. KKKyle Kulinski58:31

        It's like let's avoid the slavery thing.

    28. JRJoe Rogan58:33

        Yes.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski58:33

        Well listen, it's harder... The, the, the broader the scope, the harder it is. So yes, if you're asking, "Hey, is it really possible to know where we get everything from for phones that are sold here when none of the materials come from here?" No, it's really not possible.

    30. JRJoe Rogan58:47

        Well, someone's got to know. Right?

Episode duration: 3:45:06