JRE End Of The World #2

Joe Rogan 0:00 Three, two, one.

Jamie Vernon 0:03 Hold on.

Joe Rogan 0:05 Is it real?

Jamie Vernon 0:05 I think so.

Kyle Kulinski 0:06 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 0:06 It's live. That's it. End of the World, Part Two. Tim Dillon, you savage. It's good to see you, my friend.

Kyle Kulinski 0:11 Thank you for having me. We're back.

Joe Rogan 0:12 Kyle Kulinski, voice of reason, a person who actually understands politics.

Kyle Kulinski 0:16 That's debatable. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:17 Debatable? It is debatable, but-

Kyle Kulinski 0:18 We'll see how much the voice of reason I am.

Joe Rogan 0:20 I will say, uh, I will lean towards you knowing what you're talking about.

Kyle Kulinski 0:23 Ah.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Um-

Jamie Vernon 0:24 Hold on.

Joe Rogan 0:24 What's going on?

Jamie Vernon 0:25 Yeah, put the chat on.

Kyle Kulinski 0:27 Oh.

Jamie Vernon 0:27 Sorry for that.

Kyle Kulinski 0:27 So, do you, do you have an opinion about how this is gonna go down? Yeah, do I, yeah, do I have-

Joe Rogan 0:32 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 0:32 ... a prediction?

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 0:33 Yes. Uh, it's very likely to be Joe Biden winning.

Joe Rogan 0:37 And what, what, what makes you say this?

Kyle Kulinski 0:38 First of all, let me just, let me just make clear so you, we don't get mass down-voted, I'm not saying that because I necessarily-

Joe Rogan 0:45 Let's get mass down-voted.

Kyle Kulinski 0:45 ... want that to happen. I'm saying that empirically, I think it's very likely that he's gonna win. And the reason I say that is, I, I actually sent this to you, Jamie, if you, uh, wanna pull it up, but, um, when you look at the polls, and I know we get into whether or not you should even believe the polls, right?

Joe Rogan 0:58 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 0:58 Because you don't think so, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01 2016. Well, my thing with polls, I, I even have a bit on it, is like, who answers polls? Morons. So, if you're listening to morons, like 46% of morons believe this. But nobody, a normal person with like a regular life says, "Hey, Kyle, may I have a few minutes of your time to ask you about politics?" You don't say yes to that. Morons say yes to that. So, the people that you're polling are almost all morons.

Kyle Kulinski 1:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Or lonely or sad or-

Kyle Kulinski 1:29 (laughs) Lonely or sad, right?

Joe Rogan 1:30 It's true. I, I wanna get polled.

Kyle Kulinski 1:31 I can talk to a pollster. (laughs) Nobody polls me. I'm waiting every night for a call. I wanna talk for hours about, and no one cares. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah. Have you, have you ever answered a poll?

Kyle Kulinski 1:40 I've never answered a poll, no.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Never.

Kyle Kulinski 1:42 Have you?

Joe Rogan 1:42 I've never been called.

Kyle Kulinski 1:44 Jamie, have you ever answered a poll?

Jamie Vernon 1:47 Not like a real one, no.

Kyle Kulinski 1:48 (laughs) Not a real one.

Joe Rogan 1:49 I don't know any-

Kyle Kulinski 1:49 For, for like Kleenex. (laughs) Kleenex reach out to you or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:52 I don't, I don't know who they call, I don't know who they call and why they call them.

Kyle Kulinski 1:54 I don't believe in polls, and I don't believe in Nielsen families. I don't think they're real.

Joe Rogan 1:57 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 1:57 I've never met a Nielsen family.

Joe Rogan 1:59 That's a good point.

Kyle Kulinski 2:00 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 2:00 People say they have a friend, "Oh, my friend's a Nielsen family." Hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 2:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:03 Really?

Kyle Kulinski 2:04 Right. So, our ratings, everything's just fake?

Joe Rogan 2:06 It's all fake.

Kyle Kulinski 2:07 Yeah, we don't know anything.

Joe Rogan 2:08 The news is now. We're not-

Kyle Kulinski 2:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:10 The news is definitely fake, I'll give you that. (laughs) Do you remember when fake news, when you hear, would hear "fake news" and you'd be like, "Oh, that's such an unfortunate term. I hate when people say that," 'cause you know it's not fake.

Kyle Kulinski 2:18 (sighs) You know Hillary started that, right? It wasn't Trump.

Joe Rogan 2:20 What?

Kyle Kulinski 2:21 Hillary was the first, the original one who said "fake news," and then Trump took it and ran with it. And now everybody thinks it's just a Trump thing.

Joe Rogan 2:26 No way.

Kyle Kulinski 2:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:27 When did she do that?

Kyle Kulinski 2:27 I think the first time that that term came up, she said something, it may have been in the context of like, "Oh, we need to regulate fake news online." Like fake news, there's all the, there's all these stories that blow up on Facebook, and they're not true, and maybe we should do something about it. And she used the term fake news in a speech. And then after that, it was Trump who started using it. Now everybody thinks it's, you know, been him all along.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Well, he used it a lot.

Kyle Kulinski 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 That's for sure.

Kyle Kulinski 2:54 I mean, yeah, now it's his, obviously.

Joe Rogan 2:55 It's crazy though, that-

Kyle Kulinski 2:56 I mean, he's got like a patent on it.

Joe Rogan 2:57 2016 was when we first heard that

Joe Rogan 3:00 term. Like, the, we have existed for a long time. There's been media for a long time. There's even been internet for a long time relatively.

Kyle Kulinski 3:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:08 And yet, fake news is a new thing. And now, but I used to think it was bullshit. I used to think it was a cheap cop-out for someone who didn't wanna deal with facts, and they would just tell their people, "Hey, this is fake news." And you'd be like, "But, you know, that's not fake." Like-

Kyle Kulinski 3:23 See, that's one of the reasons why I think Trump resonated is because he would say stuff that I think people around the country just had a sense that he's right about it. Like, Joe, think about it. The media in this country lied us into the Iraq War.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 3:39 If there was, like, that is the definition of fake news. Not only is it fake news, but it's fake news that led to the deaths of 200,000 innocent Iraqi civilians-

Joe Rogan 3:47 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 3:47 ... and thousands of our own soldiers.

Joe Rogan 3:48 But, but when you say that, you don't think they were in on it. Do you?

Kyle Kulinski 3:50 No, I don't think ... See, the way it works is, and Noam Chomsky's got a book called Manufacturing Consent-

Joe Rogan 3:54 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 3:54 ... where he really dives into the specifics of this and gives you the mechanics of it. But basically, the way it works is, the people who get hired at these news outlets, they've all had like the proper training. They go to the Ivy League schools, you know, they study journalism. And you only get promoted if they know you're really not gonna rock the boat. And what I mean by that is, you basically repeat the line that the government wants you to repeat. And so, you know, when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were out there making the case, a good little journalist says, "Oh, here's what the president says, and here's what the vice president says, and they're saying that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." And then you had Colin Powell go to the UN and hold up the uranium and say, "Ah, see? I mean, what do you wanna do?" Do you want... What did they say? "Do you want the evidence to come in the form of a mushroom-shaped cloud?"

Joe Rogan 4:36 Right, I remember that.

Kyle Kulinski 4:36 That was them saying, "We need to act now."

Joe Rogan 4:38 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 4:38 "And for, forget about proving it, we have to act now." And the media went right along with them.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Was there any doubt that they knew that that was not true?

Kyle Kulinski 4:46 Um, I think there are probably some people who made the argument who were convinced of the propaganda themselves. But no, the decision had been made long before that that Saddam Hussein was on a list of rogue actors who we wanted to overthrow.

Joe Rogan 4:58 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 4:58 And by the way, that list still exists today. So, all this fighting that we do with Iran, they're on the list, and we wanna overthrow them as well.

Joe Rogan 5:04 Yeah, we wanna-

Kyle Kulinski 5:04 A lot of people don't know the history of it.

Joe Rogan 5:06 We wanna get them bad now.

Kyle Kulinski 5:08 Did you see they executed that Olympic wrestler?

Joe Rogan 5:09 No. Why did they do that?

Kyle Kulinski 5:10 'Cause he went to a protest.

Joe Rogan 5:12 Oh, they, they're, the Iranians executed-

Kyle Kulinski 5:14 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Yeah. He went to a peaceful protest, and, uh, they wanted to make an example of him. He's a, an Olympic hero. How did they execute him?

Kyle Kulinski 5:20 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Jeez.

Kyle Kulinski 5:22 I don't know, but the, the UFC made a push. Uh, Dana White put out a video begging the government to please not-

Joe Rogan 5:28 Do it.

Kyle Kulinski 5:28 ... to not execute him. It's an authoritarian theocracy.

Joe Rogan 5:31 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 5:31 You know, that's what happens. There's no social freedoms.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 5:34 You know, the idea of freedom of speech is totally foreign there.

Joe Rogan 5:38 Well, it's, it's, as you said, a theocracy. Like we, I talked about it with Glen, Glenn Greenwald, too, that they, um, they have an extraordinary high number of transgender, uh, women-

Kyle Kulinski 5:47 Because they don't allow gay people-

Joe Rogan 5:49 Because they, they don't allow gay people.

Kyle Kulinski 5:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah. So if you wanna, if you're a man and you're attracted to men, you, you have to become a woman.

Kyle Kulinski 5:53 Right. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Which is crazy that they're okay with that.

Kyle Kulinski 5:56 Very i- in a weird way, kind of very progressive.

Joe Rogan 6:00 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 6:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:00 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 6:00 Like, in a, like, an incredibly progressive state, where they're like, we're gonna-

Joe Rogan 6:05 Skip the gay thing.

Kyle Kulinski 6:05 We're gonna skip this state-

Joe Rogan 6:06 We're gonna go right to the trans state.

Kyle Kulinski 6:07 We're gonna go right to ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah. It's progressive and homophobic at the same time.

Kyle Kulinski 6:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:12 It's, you know, in a, you know, super weird way.

Kyle Kulinski 6:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:15 This is the fucking end. I mean, like, we're, we're dealing 2020 and people are getting beheaded in France for showing cartoons-

Kyle Kulinski 6:22 I mean, listen-

Joe Rogan 6:22 ... and it's happening all over again.

Kyle Kulinski 6:23 ... I was actually just talking about this earlier that, you know, one of our top allies, Saudi Arabia, they still behead people in the public square.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 6:30 You know? It's a-

Joe Rogan 6:31 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 6:31 And they do it for drug smuggling.

Joe Rogan 6:32 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 6:33 They do it for apostasy.

Joe Rogan 6:34 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 6:34 All these crimes (computer dings) that are not even really crimes, and they'll kill you.

Joe Rogan 6:37 That's crazy.... that that's happening in 2020. That's the thing that people... W-When people are not afraid of dictatorships or of the governor- government running wild in America, I always try and tell them, like, North Korea is happening right now.

Kyle Kulinski 6:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Those are human beings.

Kyle Kulinski 6:53 Sure.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Those are human beings that went down a path. Is it likely that we'll go down that same path? No. But human beings have been going down those paths from the beginning of language, from the beginning of time.

Kyle Kulinski 7:04 The strongman is a big, you know-

Joe Rogan 7:06 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:06 ... the idea of a strongman, the dictator, the person, "I call all the shots."

Joe Rogan 7:10 That's why everybody's scar- terrified of Trump. That's why a lot of intellectuals were terrified of Trump. They didn't like that language. They didn't like, they didn't like th- what people were attracted to about him, 'cause they knew where that led.

Kyle Kulinski 7:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:22 They didn't like, like... What was the... It was a phrase that he said once where he, he was talking about, uh, "I wish I was a dictator. It would be a lot easier." Remember that?

Kyle Kulinski 7:30 I, I don't remember that, no-

Joe Rogan 7:31 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:31 ... but I feel like I would remember that quote. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:33 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 7:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:33 It was something-

Kyle Kulinski 7:33 That's one I remember.

Joe Rogan 7:34 He di- he did something

Joe Rogan 7:35 like that.

Kyle Kulinski 7:35 Something like that.

Joe Rogan 7:36 Something like that.

Kyle Kulinski 7:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:37 He's like, "If I was a dictator, this job would be easier."

Kyle Kulinski 7:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:39 Or something, yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:39 I think, you know, someone was calling him a dictator and he's like, "I wish I was a dictator." But that's... He had... Him lamenting the paperwork that he has to go through and all the- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 7:48 Lamenting the paperwork, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:49 He's joking the meetings.

Kyle Kulinski 7:49 I mean, listen, the thing that drove me crazy is that, like... So, you had under Bush and you had under Obama, um, basically the expansion of the security state. And you had, like, the Patriot Act, NSA spying, all these tools that are authoritarian tools that the government can use. And Trump correctly, when he ran, spoke about ending the wars and... But then he gets in power and the wars continue.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 8:10 And then he gets in power. He didn't dismantle-... He talks all the time about how, "The Obama campaign was spying on me!" And I'm watching it like, "If only you were in a position of power to do something about that, like disband the NSA!"

Joe Rogan 8:20 But it weirdly-

Kyle Kulinski 8:20 "Stop the NSA spying!"

Joe Rogan 8:21 That's, that's a good way to get shot.

Kyle Kulinski 8:22 Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to get-

Joe Rogan 8:24 Put, put you in a convertible.

Kyle Kulinski 8:24 Actually, Chuck Schumer made that point too-

Joe Rogan 8:26 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 8:26 ... when he was on MSNBC. He had a moment of honesty where he was like, "You don't mess with the guys in the intelligence agencies because they got a thousand ways to Sunday to get back at you."

Joe Rogan 8:33 Right. Yeah, well, that was one of the things that he said to Trump. Glenn, Glenn, Gleam-

Kyle Kulinski 8:37 Glenn brought that up.

Joe Rogan 8:38 ... Gleam brought that up.

Kyle Kulinski 8:38 That's right.

Joe Rogan 8:38 He brought that up-

Kyle Kulinski 8:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:38 ... in the podcast as well.

Kyle Kulinski 8:39 Mm-hmm. It was.

Joe Rogan 8:39 Well, also,

Joe Rogan 8:40 doesn't it seem like Biden is more of a war hawk though, in a weird way? And Kamala's more of a war hawk. It's about Russia. They're talking about Trump's too friendly with North Korea. He's too friendly with Russia.

Kyle Kulinski 8:48 Yes, on those issues, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 8:50 It's kinda weird. I'm like, "Shouldn't we be friendly with these nuclear powers that could shush-" Yeah, but isn't that just to court the people on the right that maybe are... They find him distasteful-

Kyle Kulinski 8:57 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 8:58 ... kind of?

Kyle Kulinski 8:58 I think... Well, listen, uh, Biden was part of the Obama Administration. We don't have to guess, they continued the wars.

Joe Rogan 9:04 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 9:04 You know what I mean? And so I think Biden will continue the wars. And to your point, yes, there are specific issues like Russia where what the Democrats say happens to be more hawkish. You know?

Joe Rogan 9:12 It's more bellicose than what the Republicans say.

Kyle Kulinski 9:15 Um, but the thing that drives me crazy is that whenever any of them get in power, none of them just end the wars. None of them get out of Iraq, none of them get out of Afghanistan. Every now and then, Trump will fire off a tweet where he's like, you know, "We're getting out!" And then one of his generals-

Joe Rogan 9:25 Well, gee-

Kyle Kulinski 9:25 ... behind the scenes is like, "No, we're not."

Joe Rogan 9:27 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 9:27 And he's like, "You're right, we're not. I was wrong about that." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:29 Can we afford for, can we afford to get out of the wars? This is an ugly question.

Kyle Kulinski 9:32 Can we afford-

Joe Rogan 9:33 Can we afford to stop the wars now? Afford? Yeah. Isn't it a moneymaker? Isn't that why we're there?

Kyle Kulinski 9:38 Oh, yeah. Well, military-industrial complex, sure.

Joe Rogan 9:40 I mean, isn't it a tough-

Kyle Kulinski 9:40 There are a lot of people that make a lot of money from it.

Joe Rogan 9:42 It's just, it's a tough economy. Maybe we stop the wars in a couple of years.

Kyle Kulinski 9:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:46 I mean, (laughs) I don't know. I think-

Kyle Kulinski 9:47 No, and actually, one time on CNN-

Joe Rogan 9:49 It just seems like an odd time.

Kyle Kulinski 9:50 ... Wolf Blitzer actually said that to Paul Ru- or, uh, I'm sorry, Rand Paul. When Rand Paul made that argument, he was like, "We should not be giving weapons to, to Saudi Arabia." Um, and Wolf Blitzer's response was, "Yeah, but what about the jobs?"

Joe Rogan 10:02 Right. Did he really say that?

Kyle Kulinski 10:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:04 That's crazy. (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 10:04 Yes. He's like-

Joe Rogan 10:05 That's so crazy. (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 10:05 "I mean, listen, I know you don't want, like, babies to be bombed in Yemen by Saudi Arabia, but then again, Raytheon needs to make some money. What are you gonna do?"

Joe Rogan 10:12 It's such a dirty game. I ran into him in a

Joe Rogan 10:15 hotel in Vegas.

Kyle Kulinski 10:16 Does he exist as an actual person?

Joe Rogan 10:18 He's a human.

Kyle Kulinski 10:18 Because he's a robot, right?

Joe Rogan 10:19 He was coming, he was coming out of the elevator, and I was coming towards him. And he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I wanted to go, "Hey man, can I ask you some questions?"

Kyle Kulinski 10:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:27 "Just a few fucking minutes."

Kyle Kulinski 10:28 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:29 And then I, I didn't. I just said, "Hey, what's up?" And I just got in the elevator, and I'm like, "Ah, you should've fucking talked to him."

Kyle Kulinski 10:34 He's what I alluded to before, which is the reason why he's on CNN for 47 hours a day is because that guy's not gonna rock the boat.

Joe Rogan 10:41 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 10:41 That guy's gonna ask the questions-

Joe Rogan 10:42 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 10:42 ... that the people in power want him to ask.

Joe Rogan 10:43 Right, exactly, exactly. That's what's weird about the system, right? What's weird about the system when you see people like Chris Cuomo, uh, t- talking to his brother, and you know he's never gonna bring up the nursing home thing. It's like-

Kyle Kulinski 10:57 And they... And he was on CNN, like, every week.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Yeah. You get this one chance to talk. I mean, you've got a real issue. You got a real issue there.

Kyle Kulinski 11:04 Beyond... As serious as it gets, life and death issue, and he's directly in charge of it.

Joe Rogan 11:07 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 11:07 He could fix it, and his brother's throwing softballs, talking about, you know, meatballs-

Joe Rogan 11:10 Hey, remember we had meatballs the other week with-

Kyle Kulinski 11:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:12 ... yeah, with the family?

Kyle Kulinski 11:13 This fucking guy, don't call me Fredo. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yeah, I mean, they're disgusting people.

Kyle Kulinski 11:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:17 Um, well, you know, you know the fake weight controversy? I've been in- involved in the fake weight controversy.

Kyle Kulinski 11:22 (laughs) Yeah, fake weight controversy?

Joe Rogan 11:23 Fake weight.

Kyle Kulinski 11:24 Oh, fake weight?

Joe Rogan 11:25 Fake weights. 'Cause I bought into it. I was like, "Maybe she's really strong." I thought he was bigger than he was, and I, I didn't realize how hard it is to lift 100-pound dumbbell, which sounds ridiculous 'cause I work out, but I don't, I don't-

Kyle Kulinski 11:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:36 ... do that, those kind of workouts. I'm like, "Maybe he's just really strong." And everybody was like, "You're out of your fucking mind. Like, there's no way. A- are you a moron?" Like... People were analyzing that like Building 7.

Kyle Kulinski 11:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:45 Like, they were, like, freeze-framing it-

Kyle Kulinski 11:46 They're right, though.

Joe Rogan 11:46 ... and going, "Take a look."

Kyle Kulinski 11:47 Yeah, I'm sure they are, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:47 I talked to Robert Oberst and, uh, Rob Kearney who are real... Those are, these guys are real strongmen, you know? Rob Kearney is, like, one of the strongest, maybe he's the strongest man pound-for-pound in his, in his weight class. And then, uh, Robert Oberst is, uh, a legitimate giant. He's, like, 300-plus pounds, and he's, like... He would have to be one of the strongest men I've ever seen in my life.

Kyle Kulinski 12:06 So-

Joe Rogan 12:06 There's no way.

Kyle Kulinski 12:07 Let me... Just so I fill in-

Joe Rogan 12:08 The way he handled that dumbbell.

Kyle Kulinski 12:09 ... the gaps here, Chris Cuomo is releasing videos of himself working out?

Joe Rogan 12:12 No, worse.

Kyle Kulinski 12:12 There was a photo.

Joe Rogan 12:13 Sitting at a desk with a dumbbell that says 100 pounds on it, where these experts are saying there's no way it could be 100 pounds.

Kyle Kulinski 12:21 Dude, you're a news guy. What are you doing?

Joe Rogan 12:22 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 12:23 Like, nobody wants to see you do that.

Joe Rogan 12:24 But the- this is a lot of weirdness too, right? Like, how come they never brought up those tapes, the Michael Cohen tapes that Tucker Carlson was playing over and over and over again, where he's preparing Michael Cohen for the questions that he's gonna ask him on CNN?

Kyle Kulinski 12:36 Who was preparing Michael Cohen?

Joe Rogan 12:37 Chris Cuomo was.

Kyle Kulinski 12:38 Chris Ni-

Joe Rogan 12:39 You never saw that.

Kyle Kulinski 12:39 Chris Cuomo was preparing Mike... No, no, no, I never saw that.

Joe Rogan 12:40 Yeah, 'cause you're a fucking full-on legend.

Kyle Kulinski 12:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:42 And you don't even watch-

Kyle Kulinski 12:43 You act like, first of all-

Joe Rogan 12:44 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 12:44 ... you ac- it's funny that you think I sit around and watch CNN and MSNBC all day. Are you fucking kidding me?

Joe Rogan 12:48 It's not even that.

Kyle Kulinski 12:48 I'd never waste my life-

Joe Rogan 12:49 It's Fox-

Kyle Kulinski 12:50 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:50 ... would have spent day after day-... like, going over these tapes.

Kyle Kulinski 12:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Because I don't know how they got the tapes. It's never been clear.

Kyle Kulinski 12:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:58 But it's Chris Cuomo. It's like, I think Michael Cohen probably bugged his room and taped all of his conversations and probably gave it to Tucker Carlson. Like, maybe he's making some sort of behind the scenes deals. Because Cohen is, you know, he's been known to be a guy who-

Kyle Kulinski 13:15 He's Trump's fixer.

Joe Rogan 13:15 He's a fixer.

Kyle Kulinski 13:16 Yeah, that's right.

Joe Rogan 13:16 He does sleazy shit.

Kyle Kulinski 13:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:18 And his, his thing with this was they were preparing him for the questions. You know, like, Chris Cuomo was telling him how to answer the questions-

Kyle Kulinski 13:28 Right. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:28 ... that he was gonna when it came to the payoff money for Stormy Daniels and all that stuff.

Kyle Kulinski 13:32 Sure, sure, which by the way, you know, I, I really think that that's a perfect example of a kind of politics that simply doesn't work anymore. Back in like 1987, you wanna have a story about like, "Oh, the president fucked a porn star," or whatever, people would be all over it and they'd be like, "Oh my God, this is, this is ending him."

Joe Rogan 13:46 Depends on the president.

Kyle Kulinski 13:47 These days-

Joe Rogan 13:47 Depends on the president.

Kyle Kulinski 13:48 It depends on the president, but really what Trump shows is that all it takes to override scandals like that, I'm not saying all scandals, I'm saying scandals like that-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 13:56 ... is you puff your chest out and you say, "Wrong, wrong. I don't wanna do any of this. We're gonna talk about something else now." And eventually people go, "All right, I think we're gonna talk about something else now."

Joe Rogan 14:04 So, but it's, everybody knows he fucks girls.

Kyle Kulinski 14:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Like this is not confusing. Like, who isn't-

Tim Dillon 14:10 He, he was the, the, he ran the Miss Universe Pageant.

Joe Rogan 14:13 Yes, that's right.

Kyle Kulinski 14:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:14 He, he's a famous billionaire-

Kyle Kulinski 14:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:17 ... who's had multiple wives.

Kyle Kulinski 14:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:19 And, you know, he's, he's that fucking guy.

Kyle Kulinski 14:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Like, mover, shaker guy.

Kyle Kulinski 14:23 But the best example of this is remember when they released the Access Hollywood tape?

Joe Rogan 14:27 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 14:27 And, you know, he was caught on tape saying, "I grab 'em by the pussy. I don't even wait." And then the media... I don't know if you remember the media reaction to that, but they were all convinced like that's it, the race is over.

Joe Rogan 14:37 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 14:37 He's gonna drop out, Pence is gonna take over and it's gonna be Pence versus Hillary Clinton. And his response to that, I think, showed this new era of politics, which is actually brilliant. You always go on the offense. So what he did is at the next debate he brought all of Bill Clinton's accusers.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 14:52 And he had like six of them sitting there.

Joe Rogan 14:54 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 14:54 And then when they asked him that question, which by the way, of course, was like the first question they asked him.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 14:58 He was like, "Listen, I'm not proud of what I said but what I said was just words, it was just words."

Joe Rogan 15:03 Locker room talk.

Kyle Kulinski 15:03 "What Bill did was actions, what he did was actions and they're all right there. Bill, I think you should apologize to these people right here." And what you do is you flip it-

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 15:10 ... and you go on the offense-

Joe Rogan 15:11 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 15:11 ... and then the best defense is a good offense and then he made it a wash. The issue is now a wash.

Joe Rogan 15:14 But also in his case, that is a really good argument.

Kyle Kulinski 15:18 Of course it's a good argument.

Joe Rogan 15:19 This is not like-

Kyle Kulinski 15:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:20 This is not like a regular person.

Kyle Kulinski 15:21 Listen, listen.

Joe Rogan 15:21 He's talking about Bill Clinton, who's married to Hillary Clinton, who was his opponent. So her calling him a sexual predator is rich. I mean, that, that's rich.

Kyle Kulinski 15:30 That's right. And also let, let's be serious, it just diverts from what we're really supposed to be talking about when we're discussing the most powerful person in the world. Tell me what you're gonna do with the economy.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 15:39 Tell me what you're gonna do with taxes.

Joe Rogan 15:40 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 15:40 Tell me what you're gonna do with infrastructure. Tell me what you're gonna do with foreign policy. And if we're not having that conversation, I do think most Americans, there's something in them where they're just like, "This is not serious."

Joe Rogan 15:49 You know what? Let me ask

Joe Rogan 15:50 you this. You, you, you see, you say that he should have ended these wars, he should have disband the NSA. Do-

Kyle Kulinski 15:56 I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far. Just stop the spying.

Joe Rogan 15:58 I don't, I don't even think it's possible. First of all, I don't think the president has that kind of power. I, I'm ignorant-

Kyle Kulinski 16:02 Well, technically he does. Like, technically he can 'cause that's an executive agency and he controls the executive agencies.

Joe Rogan 16:07 So he could literally disband the NSA?

Kyle Kulinski 16:10 He could do whatever he wants with any of the executive agencies. So he can.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Uh, good luck, good luck with that.

Kyle Kulinski 16:14 Well, that gets back to what we were saying before.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 16:16 The Schumer point of like, no, they are gonna fuck with you and we're, we've seen that.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Right, but don't you think there's... I mean, for sure some shady things have been done. But don't you think there's some benefit to having a really powerful agency like the NSA that understands how to spy on bad people and make sure-

Kyle Kulinski 16:33 Only if-

Joe Rogan 16:33 ... that they don't get away with shit?

Kyle Kulinski 16:34 ... you have due process, only if you follow the constitution and have due process.

Joe Rogan 16:39 But how can you do that and still spy on people without warrants?

Kyle Kulinski 16:41 You gotta show evidence. You gotta, you gotta show evidence to a judge, a judge will approve it and then you can spy, but the way-

Joe Rogan 16:46 But that judge has a big mouth.

Kyle Kulinski 16:47 But the way it works now, you know, FISA courts is just a rubber stamp-

Joe Rogan 16:50 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 16:50 ... where they say, "Oh, we wanna spy on this person." They don't even look. "Oh, whatever, that's fine, just go spy on them." And that's where we are where we are now, where the NSA can take everybody's metadata, everybody's information and they can spy on you nonstop. So, you know, i- if you do it and you follow the constitution and you follow the law and you have, uh, you know, a, a reason and you follow due process, well then everybody's okay with it 'cause that's just called regular police work.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Kennedy wanted to disband the NSA, right?

Kyle Kulinski 17:14 And now he's dead. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 17:15 No, CIA, it was CIA.

Joe Rogan 17:17 It was before we were born.

Tim Dillon 17:18 Well, he wanted-

Joe Rogan 17:18 Wasn't it just the CIA?

Kyle Kulinski 17:19 He, I think he was going after the CIA.

Tim Dillon 17:20 He wanted to give a lot of the peacetime military, uh, the intelligence gathering capabilities to the Pentagon, to the military and kinda get rid of the CIA's 24/7-

Kyle Kulinski 17:30 Unaccountable.

Tim Dillon 17:30 ... k- yeah, unaccountable, you know-

Joe Rogan 17:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 17:33 ... war machine.

Kyle Kulinski 17:33 And look at what happened. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:35 (laughs) There's probably a lot of reasons why he was shot.

Kyle Kulinski 17:39 Pfft.

Joe Rogan 17:39 I mean-

Kyle Kulinski 17:40 I mean, it's probably multiple-

Tim Dillon 17:41 Maybe Marilyn Manson was pissed and hired a hit man or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:44 Yeah. Uh, not Marilyn Manson.

Tim Dillon 17:46 He, he and every-

Kyle Kulinski 17:46 Oh, Marilyn Monroe? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:47 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:48 He and every... New conspiracy.

Kyle Kulinski 17:50 Marilyn Manson is fucking JFK.

Tim Dillon 17:52 It says something nice about our country that the deep state hasn't tried to kill Trump. I think that's a good nice thing. It says something-

Kyle Kulinski 18:00 Well, well-

Tim Dillon 18:01 It says something nice.

Kyle Kulinski 18:02 He's keeping the wars going, right? He's keeping the wars going.

Tim Dillon 18:04 Well, sure, but I also think it's maybe they're getting a little softer.

Kyle Kulinski 18:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 18:08 A little bit more-

Joe Rogan 18:09 More progressive.

Tim Dillon 18:10 Yeah, more progressive. Or whatever it is, but I think it's nice that they're... 'Cause they were killing everyone. Remember Bobby Kennedy, JFK, MLK. I mean, there was just-

Joe Rogan 18:16 There was a period, yeah.

Tim Dillon 18:17 There was just, they were spraying bullets at everybody and now it's kind of a light touch. "Well, we'll say he's a Soviet agent or we'll..."

Joe Rogan 18:24 Did you read that book that I told you about, Chaos? That Tom O'Neill book?

Tim Dillon 18:27 I read a few chapters of it. It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 18:29 It gets into that-

Tim Dillon 18:30 Really good.

Joe Rogan 18:30 It gets into Bobby Kennedy at the end.

Tim Dillon 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 Like that, that, uh, Jolly West guy.

Tim Dillon 18:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:35 The CIA guy.

Tim Dillon 18:36 And Quetrel, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:36 That guy was involved with Jack Ruby, that guy was involved with, uh-

Tim Dillon 18:40 Sirhan, Sirhan.

Joe Rogan 18:41 ... Sirhan, Sirhan.

Tim Dillon 18:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:42 He was involved with a lot-

Kyle Kulinski 18:43 You should hear Robert, Robert Kennedy talk about it on the, uh, Mike Tyson podcast.

Joe Rogan 18:47 Really?

Kyle Kulinski 18:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 Yeah?

Kyle Kulinski 18:48 He, they have

Kyle Kulinski 18:50 tra- uh, a record of all eight bullets that got fired out of that gun and they weren't fired at-

Joe Rogan 18:55 ... uh, Robert, I believe is the way he w- was told.

Tim Dillon 18:57 That whole era was just a lie. Like that whole era was just-

Joe Rogan 19:00 A lot of lying.

Tim Dillon 19:01 Yeah, a lot of lying.

Joe Rogan 19:02 A lot of fibs.

Tim Dillon 19:03 A lot of fibs.

Kyle Kulinski 19:03 You know, but eventually Vietnam ended and we're still in Iraq, we're still in Afghanistan.

Tim Dillon 19:08 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 19:08 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 19:08 Well, Vietnam, we c- we talk about it like it was such a long war. It wasn't shit compared to Afghanistan.

Kyle Kulinski 19:13 Afghanistan, 2001 we started it.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 19:15 It's 19 years.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 19:16 Who is still in Afghan- Like...

Kyle Kulinski 19:18 We still have about, I want to say about 5,000 or 6,000 troops there.

Tim Dillon 19:23 Wow. Okay. 'Cause I have friends that have done like three tours there and now they're back. Like people have gone three or four tours, entire, you know, chunks of their life in that war. People forget it's even happened.

Kyle Kulinski 19:33 I covered a story on my show, there was a father and a son. There was an article in some military outlet where the dad is talking about how now my son is going to the same war that I fought in. And, you know, I pulled up a cartoon that was drawn in like '07 or something where somebody made that joke. Joking around like, "Yeah, ha ha, oh father and son going to the same war." Then it happened.

Tim Dillon 19:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yeah. But you know-

Kyle Kulinski 19:55 It's really disturbing.

Tim Dillon 19:56 It's, if, you know, if you're into it, then maybe they like it.

Kyle Kulinski 19:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 19:59 I mean that's, certain families want to be... Some people just want to go to war. I have friends that are in the military because they like to kill and they want-

Kyle Kulinski 20:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 20:08 They need to go kill somewhere that's lea- It's true.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Well, don't you think they think they're doing it for a good reason?

Tim Dillon 20:14 No. Not, not the people from the Long Island that I know. No.

Kyle Kulinski 20:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:18 The people from Long Island and Boston that I know, no, they just, they, they... Anything's a good reason for them, you know?

Kyle Kulinski 20:25 Yeah. I mean-

Tim Dillon 20:25 But we got to have a sting for people, right, there's got... And you know more about violence than anybody. There's got to be something wh- where violent people can go and be productive.

Joe Rogan 20:33 They need an outlet. They need an outlet.

Tim Dillon 20:34 They need an outlet.

Tim Dillon 20:35 As long as it's-

Joe Rogan 20:35 I've had conversations with people a- about violence where they're like, you know, like, "Violence has no place in our society." And they, they, they, they think that the UFC is bad for our society. And like-

Tim Dillon 20:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Those are some of the... I've seen so few brawls at UFCs, it's, it's amazing.

Tim Dillon 20:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:49 I've been to hundreds of those things. I don't know how many times I've ever seen a fight. Like maybe three, four times? Never.

Tim Dillon 20:54 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 20:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:55 And those are drunks.

Tim Dillon 20:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:56 You know?

Kyle Kulinski 20:56 Yeah. But something like that's a good outlet-

Joe Rogan 20:58 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 20:58 ... for the kind of instincts that you're talking about, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:00 Yes. Gets it out of people's system.

Kyle Kulinski 21:02 I kind of give a fuck if you want to voluntarily have a duel like it's the Old West. You know, go out there and walk 10 paces and turn around and shoot.

Joe Rogan 21:09 W- We've had presidents that have done that.

Kyle Kulinski 21:10 That's right.

Joe Rogan 21:11 We've had presidents that had duels-

Kyle Kulinski 21:12 That's right.

Joe Rogan 21:12 ... while they were in office.

Tim Dillon 21:13 Yeah. Burr and, Burr and, uh, Hamilton, right?

Joe Rogan 21:16 I think so.

Tim Dillon 21:17 It's crazy. Hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 21:17 Let me look that one up for you. I'm pretty sure it is though.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Yes.

Tim Dillon 21:20 I believe it, Stam.

Joe Rogan 21:21 What's really crazy is how recent that was.

Tim Dillon 21:23 That was pretty, it was-

Joe Rogan 21:24 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 21:25 Not that long ago when people are shitting in outhouses and wearing powdered wigs.

Tim Dillon 21:28 Well, I mean, Trump and Biden are talking about beating each other up. Like i- i- we could see it going back to that.

Kyle Kulinski 21:32 Ugh. How long would that last? 12 seconds? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 It would be amazing.

Kyle Kulinski 21:35 They both gas out.

Joe Rogan 21:36 The Burr-Hamilton duel. Look at that.

Tim Dillon 21:40 Oh, so the vice president?

Kyle Kulinski 21:41 Vice president versus Secretary of Treasury.

Joe Rogan 21:42 What? Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 21:43 Should that be like-

Joe Rogan 21:44 The cr- Early in the morning of July 11th, 18, 11th, 1804. Wow. 220 years ago.

Kyle Kulinski 21:48 That's like Mike Pence and Steve Mnuchin dueling today.

Tim Dillon 21:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:51 The culmination of a long and bitter rivalry between the two men. Wow. Burr shot Hamilton, while Hamilton, Hamilton's shot broke a tree branch above and beyond Burr's head. Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard Jr. Hamilton died at 2:00 the following afternoon. Wow, that's heavy. That's heavy.

Tim Dillon 22:14 That was back

Tim Dillon 22:15 before the, the, you had people doing it. Before you had the agencies and the underground people.

Joe Rogan 22:18 There was just people.

Tim Dillon 22:19 It was just muskets. Yeah, just muskets and just dudes being dudes.

Kyle Kulinski 22:23 If they want to do it, isn't that the ultimate like, you know, libertarian argument? Like, go ahead, stop fucking bothering me.

Joe Rogan 22:28 I believe there's places in America, I think Arizona might be one of them where you can still engage in a duel.

Kyle Kulinski 22:34 Still legal?

Joe Rogan 22:34 Because I believe I r- read a story about a cop who, uh, had a duel with a guy who was fucking his wife.

Tim Dillon 22:41 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 22:43 A duel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Tim Dillon 22:45 AKA shot him in back of the head or some shit.

Joe Rogan 22:47 That was, that was why it was controversial.

Tim Dillon 22:49 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:49 But I think they had... You know, you know how like some places have mutual combat laws, like Seattle has a mutual combat law where the cops will stand by. Like if two guys want to fight, the cop-

Tim Dillon 22:58 Oh, is that why like the Proud Boys and Antifa, when they go at it in Seattle, the cops don't do anything?

Joe Rogan 23:02 I don't know.

Tim Dillon 23:03 Okay. That's kind of interesting.

Joe Rogan 23:04 I'm once... I just... I think they're

Joe Rogan 23:05 just overwhelmed.

Tim Dillon 23:05 I get it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:06 But I think in Seattle, in particular, I know-

Tim Dillon 23:09 Two people want to fight, you can stand by?

Joe Rogan 23:10 Yeah, there was a guy named Phoenix Jones, he was a, um... Fucking, I forget his name, but he was... He called himself Phoenix Jones, but he was an actual MMA fighter who would go around and... Hi- his brother was a fairly successful MMA fighter. And he would go around wearing a superhero costume and... Yeah, and literally fight crime. Like if he would see people doing things, he'd stop people. And there's a video of him with his superhero costume beating the shit out of somebody because some guy decided to fight with him and the cops were literally standing there while this one guy's bouncing on the tips of his toes, on the balls of his feet rather, moving, leg kicks the guy, leg kicks the guy again. You're like, "Oh my god, like this poor bastard." Some poor drunk is just getting lit up by a guy who's a-

Tim Dillon 23:56 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 23:56 ... trained MMA fighter with a superhero costume on.

Tim Dillon 23:58 At what point do they step in? I mean, they'd have to step in at a certain point, right?

Joe Rogan 24:02 He's about to beat him to death probably.

Tim Dillon 24:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:04 But, but the problem is on the concrete, any punch could result in your death.

Tim Dillon 24:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Because if you fall and bounce your head off the thing, you could easily die.

Tim Dillon 24:11 It could be over.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 24:12 That's right.

Kyle Kulinski 24:13 By the way, I almost did that today.

Joe Rogan 24:14 You almost fell?

Kyle Kulinski 24:15 I did fall, (laughs) but I almost hit my head. I'm lucky I didn't.

Joe Rogan 24:18 What happened?

Kyle Kulinski 24:19 I was on one of those stupid, uh, Uber scooter things.

Joe Rogan 24:21 Oh, no.

Kyle Kulinski 24:22 Yeah, it was bad.

Tim Dillon 24:23 Oh, no.

Kyle Kulinski 24:23 And then as I was falling, I was like, "I'm fucking 32 years old. What am I even doing here?"

Joe Rogan 24:28 Well, not only that, you were about to do the most important podcast of your life.

Kyle Kulinski 24:31 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:31 It's just when Trump wins his re-election.

Kyle Kulinski 24:33 People would've enjoyed it if they saw giant scars. I actually got one here.

Tim Dillon 24:35 Kyle was telling me how Trump's not gonna win and it sounded kind of persuasive.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Okay, give me the, give me the rundown.

Kyle Kulinski 24:42 Right, because I'm not... It's not me, I'm just relaying the information, so-

Tim Dillon 24:45 It's okay, I know you hate him, just-

Kyle Kulinski 24:47 I do, but I hate Biden too. Jamie, I DM'd you this if you want to pull it up, but, um, the first thing here is... This is basically every single presidential election and where the polls were going into that day.

Tim Dillon 24:59 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 25:00 And basically, the Hillary Clinton-Donald Trump election was the only election where somebody had a four point lead as Hillary had and then she lost the electoral college. She won the popular vote, but she lost the electoral college. Biden-

Joe Rogan 25:11 Wasn't that the case with Gore as well?

Kyle Kulinski 25:13 Um, with Gore... Well, he was... Bush was up versus Gore, 3.6% percentage points nationally.

Joe Rogan 25:19 But didn't Gore win the, um, popular vote?

Kyle Kulinski 25:21 He did end up winning it by a razor thin margin. But the point is, the polling going into that day was Bush up 3.6.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Look at this. Um, 2020 Biden up 8.6. Wow, that's high.

Kyle Kulinski 25:33 And then Clinton three points, 3.9. Obama .3 In 2012, uh, Obama 6.7.

Joe Rogan 25:38 What? 2012 he was only up .3?

Kyle Kulinski 25:41 Y- He ended up winning the Electoral College with, I want to say, about 330 electoral votes. Um, but yeah, he was up. Nationally-

Joe Rogan 25:47 Why was he so-

Kyle Kulinski 25:47 ... he was only up .3.

Joe Rogan 25:48 Why was he so low? That was against Mitt Romney?

Kyle Kulinski 25:50 That was against Mitt Romney, yeah, um-

Joe Rogan 25:52 I had no idea. I thought he cruised through that.

Kyle Kulinski 25:54 Well, he did in terms of the electoral college numbers, but nationally it was a very even race, which is why they treated it as such throughout the election.

Joe Rogan 26:01 But that's the polling.

Kyle Kulinski 26:03 Right. That's the national polling which-

Joe Rogan 26:04 But that's so low.

Kyle Kulinski 26:06 Yeah, that one is a little bit surprising. I would've guessed he would've had a five point lead or something like that. But anyway, as you can see here, like we- we have to go back to what? Uh, Clinton in '96 when he absolutely, uh, landslided, I think it was Dole, in '96.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 26:18 And you gotta go back to Reagan in 1984, plus 17.7. And, and I guess, uh, H.W. Bush as well, plus 10.1. Like basically, yes, the national number is not the most important because the electoral college is what matters. But Biden has, has never been down in a, in the national number at any point throughout the race. And then when you go to the swing states, uh, Trump's path is just so razor thin where he can't have anything go wrong for him. So he needs to win Flori- he has, he has to win Florida or he's done. If he loses Florida, it's over tonight.

Joe Rogan 26:49 Isn't Florida filled with old people though?

Kyle Kulinski 26:51 Yes, but, but Biden-

Joe Rogan 26:53 I was just, I was in Florida and it's-

Kyle Kulinski 26:53 ... Biden now is winning on old people.

Joe Rogan 26:54 I was in Florida, and I'm telling you right now, they love Trump in Florida.

Kyle Kulinski 26:58 But is-

Joe Rogan 26:58 There's a lot of signs, there's a lot of enthusiasm. Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 27:01 And it is, it is a legit swing state. Like I think the average is... Biden's only up like two points there in, uh, for the race, but it is a genuine swing state. But he's winning now with old people, Biden is. He's winning with that demographic.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Because the way Trump handled COVID?

Kyle Kulinski 27:15 Probably because of COVID, that's right.

Joe Rogan 27:16 So they're scared.

Kyle Kulinski 27:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:18 I don't know what their reasoning is, but I just know that that's what the numbers are showing right now. What could have be- been done differently for COVID?

Kyle Kulinski 27:23 Well, we, we've actually talked about this quite a bit. My... Listen, my... I'm not a doctor, I'm not an expert-

Joe Rogan 27:27 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Kyle Kulinski 27:28 I'm just an idiot.

Joe Rogan 27:28 You're not?

Kyle Kulinski 27:30 (laughs) I'll go get my medical degree.

Joe Rogan 27:32 I thought... You got our food?

Speaker 27:33 Uh, do you want me to bring it in here?

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yeah, motherfucker.

Speaker 27:36 All right. One second.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Um, I see you over there eating. You're out of your mind.

Speaker 27:39 Not eating. (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 27:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:39 I saw you pull those bags. We, we ordered McDonald's, uh, in tribute to Donald Trump. This is his last election.

Kyle Kulinski 27:45 Honestly, it is in tribute to me because I eat McDonald's probably more than anybody on the planet. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:49 Whether he, whether he wins or loses, he's done a lot of great things to unite the country.

Kyle Kulinski 27:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:53 Whoa.

Speaker 27:53 I mean, I think that we all have to remember that.

Joe Rogan 27:56 This is going to be quoted on someone's blog tomorrow.

Speaker 27:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:59 The same people that called you a, uh, far right conspiracy theorist.

Kyle Kulinski 28:03 Who-

Speaker 28:04 I can't believe

Speaker 28:05 it.

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 28:05 Who called you that?

Joe Rogan 28:06 I don't know, the text lobby.

Speaker 28:07 Somebody. People with pink hair and... you know.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 28:10 (laughs)

Speaker 28:10 People that are angry.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Yeah, the same people that were saying that we had an anti-vax message on the Alex-

Speaker 28:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:16 ... Jones podcast.

Kyle Kulinski 28:16 Look, listen, you guys were really trying to fact check everything. That was pretty clear to me.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Well, not only that, the thing that he said was absolutely true. The thing he said about the one vaccine that, uh, Bill Gates is promoting, that has 80% of the people that took it got sick.

Kyle Kulinski 28:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 28:30 But is he... I'm sure he, he... Is he against all vaccines now?

Speaker 28:33 No, no he's not.

Joe Rogan 28:34 No, he's not.

Speaker 28:34 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:34 No, no. D- The thing is like, look, that... Alex Jones is fucked up, right? He really fucked up with the, um, the Sandy Hook thing. Really fucked up. He's had some mental health issues. He's had some st- substance issues, particularly with booze, and he also is constantly around conspiracies. And I think you get legitimately psychotic when you, you delve down those roads. I think you lose your fucking mind.

Speaker 28:59 It's a tough thing.

Kyle Kulinski 28:59 Mm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:59 And he lost his fucking mind.

Kyle Kulinski 29:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 He lost his fucking mind on more than one occasion. He has, but he's not-

Speaker 29:05 And he knows he's made mistakes.

Joe Rogan 29:06 What everybody says... Yeah.

Speaker 29:07 Is your mic on? Jamie, I think your mics on. It's very loud over there.

Kyle Kulinski 29:10 (laughs)

Speaker 29:10 He knows he's made mistakes.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 29:12 He said on the show that he wants to, you know, correct his mistakes like this is the, um-

Joe Rogan 29:15 But the thing is, he also gives out a lot of real information.

Speaker 29:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:19 He's, he's... I had three.

Speaker 29:21 Did you get a third?

Joe Rogan 29:22 Yeah. Is there a third one in there? What'd you get?

Kyle Kulinski 29:24 I didn't get anything.

Joe Rogan 29:25 You didn't get anything?

Kyle Kulinski 29:26 I had nachos right before I came in here.

Joe Rogan 29:27 What? I thought this was for you. No, it's for you.

Speaker 29:29 Yeah, two filet-o-fish for me. Thank you.

Kyle Kulinski 29:32 It's the first time in my life-

Joe Rogan 29:33 For Trump.

Kyle Kulinski 29:33 ... I've ever passed on McDonald's for the record, everybody.

Joe Rogan 29:36 For the president. Outrageous.

Kyle Kulinski 29:37 You got a filet-o-fish?

Joe Rogan 29:38 Three of them.

Speaker 29:38 Yeah, they're great.

Kyle Kulinski 29:39 You're the only person who gets the filet-o-fish. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:41 You did well. You got two.

Speaker 29:42 They're massively popular.

Kyle Kulinski 29:44 What?

Joe Rogan 29:44 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 29:44 I've never seen anybody eat one.

Speaker 29:46 It's a black... First of all, black people love them. They call them the McFish.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Do they?

Speaker 29:49 That's true.

Kyle Kulinski 29:50 (laughs)

Speaker 29:50 It's not racist. That's a fact.

Kyle Kulinski 29:53 I've never heard that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:53 (laughs)

Speaker 29:53 I've heard a lot of black people say, "Can I have a McFish?" And I think it's great.

Joe Rogan 29:55 Well, that seems, it seems racist, but I don't think it is.

Kyle Kulinski 29:57 (laughs)

Speaker 29:58 (laughs) It is. It's right on the edge.

Kyle Kulinski 30:00 There's some things as-

Speaker 30:00 It's right on the edge.

Joe Rogan 30:01 That might be...

Kyle Kulinski 30:01 That might be the last thing on the menu I would get, is a filet-o-fish.

Speaker 30:04 It's delicious.

Joe Rogan 30:04 It's great.

Speaker 30:05 They're very good.

Joe Rogan 30:06 They're so good. You want one?

Kyle Kulinski 30:07 No, I prefer chicken or beef like a real man.

Speaker 30:11 Okay. Well, I apologize.

Kyle Kulinski 30:12 (laughs)

Speaker 30:13 McDonald's Steakhouse. So you're saying that if everything's equal and Trump wins everything he won in 2016-

Joe Rogan 30:21 Right.

Speaker 30:22 ... he still has a very narrow path to victory?

Kyle Kulinski 30:25 No. So the point that I was making, and I'll explain it for people who didn't get the gist of it, but it basically... If you take the polls in 2016 and do the same sort of pro-Trump swing that happened on election day, they've done that, and when you calculate those numbers, it's still Biden with 335 electoral votes. So even if you have that same pro-Trump swing, it's still Biden winning by a fairly safe margin. Now, to get to your point about does he have a path? Yes, Trump has a path for sure, but it's basically one path and he can't afford any mess ups along the way. So he has to win, he has to win Florida. He has to win Pennsylvania. He has to win Arizona. He has to win Ohio. And these... Like, Ohio and Iowa are the only two swing states where he's actually up in the average of the polling. All the other ones, he's down. And there's also another...... crazy thing going on, which it... And I struggle to believe this as well. I think Trump is probably gonna win Texas, but the polling right there now is they're actually dead tied. Biden and Trump are dead tied in Texas.

Tim Dillon 31:24 That is the craziest thing.

Joe Rogan 31:25 Doesn't that s- doesn't that skew, uh, bias towards Democrats because they're traditionally, um, voting earlier by mail?

Kyle Kulinski 31:32 Yeah. So that was another point that I was going to get to. When the votes

Kyle Kulinski 31:35 roll in, everybody's gonna freak out at every single thing that they see. But there are some states that count the mail-ins first and when they count the mail-ins first, it's gonna look like Biden's winning in a landslide. And then there, there's other states that do the opposite, which is they count the on the day votes first. And the states that do that, it's gonna look like Trump is winning in a landslide. So basically, everybody has to relax until you actually get, you know, to a very high percentage of the votes counted before you really know what's going on, because there's gonna be big swings throughout the night in ev- virtually every state. But I actually have the specific states if you're interested in knowing which states are going to swing like that.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Well, let's find out where we're at right now. Is there, uh, anything, Jamie, that shows us where we're at right now? Here we go. Look at that. Florida looks like Trump, Alabama Trump, Mississippi Trump. It's Trump. Trump won.

Kyle Kulinski 32:20 Okay. So here right now-

Joe Rogan 32:21 Trump is the president.

Tim Dillon 32:22 It's over. He won again.

Kyle Kulinski 32:24 So right now-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Texas is blue.

Kyle Kulinski 32:27 'Cause that's... And again, okay, that's 'cause they're counting the mail-ins first, and the mail-ins are heavily Biden. See, that's what I'm saying is like, it's a little misleading to watch it second by second because it, they're... It's going to be skewed based on which votes they're counting.

Joe Rogan 32:38 Hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 32:39 You see what I'm saying?

Tim Dillon 32:39 What's the chance we don't have an answer tonight?

Joe Rogan 32:42 100%.

Kyle Kulinski 32:43 Probably 50 or 60% chance we don't have an answer tonight.

Tim Dillon 32:46 What's the chance that people handle that maturely and don't burn things down and throw bricks through windows?

Kyle Kulinski 32:50 Negative 14,000%. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:53 Right. Right. Look, so far it's 85-55 Joe Biden's winning.

Kyle Kulinski 32:58 So there's a few surprises up there, by the way. There, obviously Texas is a surprise, but even Ohio, Trump was up in Ohio in the average of polls, and that's looking blue. But again, I don't want to get ahead of myself because I just told you guys don't pay attention until the number gets up a lot more.

Tim Dillon 33:12 60-40.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Yeah, 60-40.

Kyle Kulinski 33:13 No, see that's gonna swing back to Trump though as time goes by because there's no way Ohio is going to finish on that number. No way. Not a chance in hell. Only 32% reporting. That means they're counting the mail-ins. That's what that tells me.

Joe Rogan 33:26 And all the other states are just in, in play?

Kyle Kulinski 33:29 Um, so as time goes by, the, the polls close at different times. And so I could tell you the order that everything closes here. We're supposed to get... 7:00 we had Vermont, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Indiana and Kentucky. Georgia is the only one of those that's really a swing state. Um, 7:30 we had, we have North Carolina, Ohio and West Virginia. North Carolina and Ohio are both swing states. Then at 8:00 we get clonked over the head. So we just got clonked over the head here. We have Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, Maine's, uh, first district, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Florida, uh, Maine second district, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma. Only one, two, three of those are swing states. We really have Pennsylvania, Florida and Maine second district. Um, and then 9:00 we get New York and a bunch of others as well.

Joe Rogan 34:17 I've never felt a time where the country was more on edge during an election.

Kyle Kulinski 34:22 Because there's never been a time where it's been this bad. No way.

Tim Dillon 34:24 Ever?

Kyle Kulinski 34:24 No way.

Tim Dillon 34:25 They came up-

Joe Rogan 34:25 No way.

Tim Dillon 34:25 ... with a thing, they said there's like a political, I forget what it is, but there's some indicator of political tension. They said it's higher now than the Civil War.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Whoa, Jesus.

Kyle Kulinski 34:33 Oh, I don't know about that one. People-

Tim Dillon 34:34 Well, I mean,

Tim Dillon 34:35 that's what they said.

Kyle Kulinski 34:35 ... shooting each other in the face. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 34:37 Well, listen, that can happen.

Joe Rogan 34:39 They were very polite and genteel.

Kyle Kulinski 34:41 That is true. And they wore powdered wigs and-

Joe Rogan 34:42 That could happen with us though.

Kyle Kulinski 34:44 You know, I think... Honestly, Joe, I think that we just have too many good distractions to ever be in a civil war. Like people might think like, "Oh, let's go do it." And then they go, "You know, Netflix has some new shit out and I'd rather just watch that." You know what I mean? We can fight and there will be-

Tim Dillon 34:59 We hope. We hope.

Kyle Kulinski 34:59 ... there will be civil unrest like we've been seeing.

Tim Dillon 35:01 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 35:01 But, you know, I don't think it would ever get to the point of a real civil war.

Joe Rogan 35:05 So what happened with that Kyle Rittenhouse kid? Like the judge didn't press charges, but then they extradited him to, uh, Kenosha, right?

Tim Dillon 35:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:15 So what happened there?

Tim Dillon 35:16 I don't know. I watched the tape and the, you know, clearly they, he went to... Him and his parents went to the, the protest, right? With, uh, heavily armed, right? Which is not... That's a choice that the family makes, right? I mean, that's, that's a certain type of family that goes heavily armed to a protest. Um, we didn't do that when I was growing up.

Joe Rogan 35:35 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 35:36 Um, and then there was a skirmish, but if you watch the video, people got mad at me on Twitter because I said that I think if you watch the video, you do see people chasing him. Uh, and then he shoots them, which again, this is all too good.

Kyle Kulinski 35:46 So he, he's in court now, right? Isn't he... Bail for Kyle Rittenhouse?

Joe Rogan 35:49 So, but something happened where the judge said he wasn't gonna prosecute him. That's why I was confused. I thought he was being released because I had read another ruling where the judge wasn't going to press charges. And a bunch of YouTube people are making these videos about it. Like Kyle Rittenhouse, they're going to free him and then all of a sudden he's now, uh, got $2 million bail.

Kyle Kulinski 36:09 I saw on Twitter that somebody tweeted, uh, it said, it was a sign that said, "Kyle's life matters."

Joe Rogan 36:16 Oh, Jesus.

Kyle Kulinski 36:17 Yeah. And I thought, "That should be about me." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:22 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:22 And not him. It should be Kyle Dunnigan, keep up that, uh, Instagram page. The, the thing is like he's not even supposed to be open carrying. So him carrying a gun was illegal. It was not good.

Speaker 36:33 This is probably what you read.

Joe Rogan 36:35 What's that, Jamie?

Speaker 36:36 This is probably what you read from the other day.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Well, that says he's extradited to face homicide charges.

Tim Dillon 36:40 I feel like, listen, the kid's got horrible parents. They're probably... They're pr- It's probably a very bad family. Not that this excuses the behavior. Like, I think the family drove him to the protest, right?

Kyle Kulinski 36:52 Jesus Christ, really?

Tim Dillon 36:53 I believe so. Yeah, it's like the mom and the dad. I mean, this is not a good group.

Joe Rogan 36:57 Now there was something else, Jamie, this is not it. There was something else where the, they were not pressing charges. I guess somebody else did.

Speaker 37:05 Yeah, probably Illinois was not pressing charges so that Wisconsin could.

Joe Rogan 37:08 But it was in Kenosha, right? The, the actual shooting was in Kenosha, wasn't it?

Jamie Vernon 37:16 ... yeah, but he's from Illinois I believe.

Kyle Kulinski 37:19 I think that sounds right. I think that's what it was.

Jamie Vernon 37:21 So, he went-

Speaker 37:22 That Illinois wasn't going to charge him, but Kenosha did? So it took-

Jamie Vernon 37:25 Yeah. He probably went home... Yeah. He had been, being held in Illinois. I think he went home and got arrested. Yeah. Remember? They didn't arrest him right away.

Speaker 37:31 Yeah. They took a trip to the protest, so where... He's just not from the area they were having the protest. Which is even more weird, but-

Jamie Vernon 37:36 It's crazy. It's crazy.

Kyle Kulinski 37:37 A lot of people are all about this, man. A lot of people love this, uh, you know-

Speaker 37:41 Tactical life.

Kyle Kulinski 37:41 ... yeah, kinda lifestyle where they're just kinda searching for stuff to do. You know?

Speaker 37:44 What do you attribute that to? Like the rise in violence and the rise of people kind of- Fitting examples. ... s- sc- is that it?

Jamie Vernon 37:51 No.

Speaker 37:51 What do you think it is?

Jamie Vernon 37:51 No, I'm not with it. (laughs)

Speaker 37:52 Just kidding.

Kyle Kulinski 37:52 I think, um, honestly man, I... And some people might come after me for this, but I really believe that over the years the evidence would show that when people feel like there's zero hope for a brighter future, and they're perpetually shit on by a system that doesn't give a fuck about them, that yeah, usually you turn to more extreme ideologies across the political spectrum.

Speaker 38:15 Right. It makes a lot of sense.

Kyle Kulinski 38:17 I mean, I wouldn't say that it's-

Speaker 38:18 Do you really think that that's why he showed up at that protest with a gun?

Kyle Kulinski 38:21 Well no, because I was just gonna say, it, you have to look at everything on a case by case basis and there are gonna be many individual instances where somebody does something fucked up because of, say, mental illness, or somebody does something fucked up because they were brainwashed into some sort of fundamentalist

Kyle Kulinski 38:35 cult from when they're a kid. But I think the broader societal trends where these things kinda catch on and more and more people are willing to be involved in some sort of violence, I think you have to have an unhealthy society in the first place to have that flourish. You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 38:52 Yeah, I do see what you're saying. Yeah. There's a... That makes, that makes sense.

Kyle Kulinski 38:55 I mean, listen, uh, this is probably the classic example, but you couldn't have had Hitler rise to power without The Treaty of Versailles which fucked Germany after World War I. And so, you had this whole generation of Germans who were like, "We've been fucking shit on and left behind and, you know, what, what do we, what are we supposed to do? We feel like there's no way out." And then you have this charismatic guy come up and say, "Hey, it's not your fault. Blame the Jews." And they're like, "Oh yeah, it is them." So, this is what happens. I mean, and I, and I really fear that stuff is gonna get worse in this country because the economic situation is just abysmal. I mean, you talk about this all the time on your show, but when you shut down the economy basically, because of the virus, you can't shut down the economy and then not give people a lifeline monetarily 'cause then they can't pay the fucking bills.

Speaker 39:40 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 39:40 This, this isn't rocket science. You know? And a lot of other countries, Joe, what they did is, they did like this wage replacement thing, where they temporarily nationalized wages. So, in other words if the government told you, "Hey, you can't work because of COVID," they would then say, "And that's why we're gonna pay 75% of your wage until COVID is over."

Speaker 39:57 Could they have done that in this country?

Kyle Kulinski 39:59 Oh, we absolutely could've done it. We chose not to do it. In fact, what we did is probably the worst of all worlds which is, we took trillions of dollars and threw them at the corporations and said, "Here, we're giving you a bailout." And then the corporations turned around and fired people anyway.

Speaker 40:11 Yeah. In the beginning of COVID, like Trump, they would have like these press conferences and they would be like, they would be like the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings would come out.

Jamie Vernon 40:18 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 40:18 (laughs)

Speaker 40:18 And like, they'd be like, "Let's bring out the CEO of Buffalo Wild Wings." And the guy's like, "Hey, we're just committed to helping. We're taking some of our napkins and making face masks." Like, it was just, just crazy group of people that came out. Like the guy who ran Red Lobster was like, "We're also getting involved in the fight."

Kyle Kulinski 40:37 (laughs)

Speaker 40:37 It was absurd. It's always corporate, like-

Kyle Kulinski 40:40 Always corporate.

Speaker 40:40 ... it's always corporate. It's like, "Listen, let's, let's let Dave & Busters make ventilators and fix it."

Jamie Vernon 40:46 (laughs)

Speaker 40:46 But the idea that they would give those people that money and not have a clause in there where you can't fire people is amazing.

Kyle Kulinski 40:52 That's right. I mean, and again, this also happened in the Wall Street bailout back, you know, under Bush and under Obama. They, they always do the same thing. They bail them out and they have no strings attached, and then what happens is, you know, these executives paid bonuses to the same people who crashed the company. And you know, there's no accountability. Those people fail up all the time. They fail up. "Oh, I bankrupted my company, but it's okay. The Gold... The government gave me, you know, a billion dollars," because Goldman Sachs basically owns the government, you know, and that's how it works and it's incredibly corrupt. And that's why when something bad happens and the people need a bailout, they never get a bailout. What's, what do people get? A one-time $1,200 stimulus check.

Speaker 41:29 Which is amazing. And we thought at least it was gonna come more frequently, it never came again. The idea of getting-

Kyle Kulinski 41:34 Never came again.

Speaker 41:34 ... one

Speaker 41:35 check in eight months is kind of insane.

Kyle Kulinski 41:37 People don't have money to, to stay afloat.

Speaker 41:40 There are people who have been trying to get unemployment for like six months.

Kyle Kulinski 41:43 That's right.

Speaker 41:43 They can't even get unemployment because these fucking states... I mean, it's crazy. And all the protection for people getting evicted is, uh, uh, soon gonna expire.

Kyle Kulinski 41:52 That's right. And so we're about to... You know, I saw a tweet about this earlier from, uh, the guy at The Washington Post, one of the only good people at The Washington Post, and he was basically listing it and he's like, "Here are the things that expire, you know, in the upcoming however many months." And people are screwed, man. They're screwed. I don't know how they're gonna pay bills. We're already seeing polls where like 30% of people say, "I can't make rent."

Speaker 42:12 So, what could, what could they have-

Kyle Kulinski 42:13 But I mean-

Speaker 42:14 Have those people tried hustling and grinding?

Kyle Kulinski 42:16 OnlyFans is-

Speaker 42:17 (laughs) It's just-

Kyle Kulinski 42:17 ... seeing a big explosion. (laughs)

Speaker 42:19 Yeah. I think Gary V would, would basically tell them that they should just in- invest in themselves. #Keepgoing #Keepgoing, just never give up. You just never give up and just hustle and grind. #Hustle And just, you know, just do it. Um, so what country handled it well?

Kyle Kulinski 42:35 So, the example that we've spoken about this before, but, um, I liked... Early on I liked what Japan did because Japan did like limited shutdowns. They did some shutdowns 'cause some things there's no escaping it, it, it makes sense to shut them down just because of the nature of what they are, like bars, everybody's breathing on each other two feet away or whatever. So, they did limited shutdowns, but basically the only thing they did is they had a universal mask policy and culturally it's viewed like you're the biggest asshole on the planet if you're not wearing a fucking mask in a place where you should be wearing a mask. And then they only had 1,000 COVID cases when we had like 80,000, 90,000, 100,000 and rising steadily. So, that's one way we could've done it or the other way you could've done it is you could've copied any of the European nations that when they shut down, they did, "Hey, we'll pay you 75% of your wages until this thing is over."

Speaker 43:15 What Euro- European nation, Europe-

Kyle Kulinski 43:16 France was one that did that, where they shut it down and paid people, I think it was 75% of their wages.

Speaker 43:20 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 43:20 But I think the UK did that-

Speaker 43:21 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 43:21 ... too for a little bit. It may have been 80% of, of their wages.

Speaker 43:24 But isn't this a thing where unfortunately-

Tim Dillon 43:27 ... a lot of those other, you know, or fortunately, however you want to say, a lot of those other countries, they just are, they're more of a monolith and it's easier. You know, those people are, there's not this idea of, you know, the freedom and, and, uh, doing your own thing and, and, and, and ow- owning your own business. Like, a lot of those countries are, by their nature, the populous is just more submissive.

Kyle Kulinski 43:50 There's definitely, there's definitely cultural differences.

Tim Dillon 43:53 Right.

Kyle Kulinski 43:53 But I think that, especially in the case of France, the government is scared of the people because they're like, "You better fucking do shit that's gonna help us or else why are you even in power?" Whereas here, I feel like we're more like, "Okay, just government, don't fuck, fuck this up too much." You know what I mean?

Tim Dillon 44:08 Right. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 44:08 So, uh, but again, it, you, there were multiple ways to address this and if you go the way Japan went, you could've kept a lot more stuff open and just had everybody wear masks. If you want-

Joe Rogan 44:19 But was anybody in government calling for more stimulus checks? Was anybody in government call- calling for more relief? Was anybody in government calling for, like, anybody on the left, calling for these checks to be distributed?

Kyle Kulinski 44:30 Oh, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 44:31 Who was calling for this?

Kyle Kulinski 44:32 Bernie Sanders was calling for it. The Squad, who's always

Kyle Kulinski 44:35 made fun of, they were calling for it.

Tim Dillon 44:36 Who were they saying?

Kyle Kulinski 44:36 They happen to be right on this economic stuff.

Tim Dillon 44:38 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 44:39 Not only were people calling for it, Joe, I believe one of these things passed. I think it's called the Heroes Act and there were provisions where they gave people more of a recurring stimulus check. This wasn't a wage replacement, I should be clear. We're not talking about nationalizing wages like they did over there, but you can do a similar version of that by just doing a universal basic income.

Tim Dillon 44:55 Mm-hmm.

Kyle Kulinski 44:55 You know, that's Andrew Yang's idea. It's something that he's really popularized. There's other ways to go about it. Recurring stimulus checks-

Tim Dillon 45:00 Well, on the third night of quarantine, man, Nancy Pelosi was giving a tour of her to- like, townhouse or her house.

Kyle Kulinski 45:04 Listen, she's the worst.

Tim Dillon 45:06 And she was showing the different gelatos that she had in her freezer. This is right after 30 million people were instantly made unemployed. And Nancy Pelosi was like, get going, "We like the chocolate and then we like this." And it was, like, the craziest thing I'd ever seen and that's the party that's supposed to care.

Joe Rogan 45:21 But she's- she's done so many things like that.

Tim Dillon 45:24 Yeah, so many.

Joe Rogan 45:25 Like, she, she lied about telling people, like, when people were, uh, like, when the pandemic was first starting-

Tim Dillon 45:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:30 She was telling people, "Please go out. Go to Chinatown."

Kyle Kulinski 45:33 Yeah. People were acting like total idiots and they weren't listening to the real experts early on and everything was incredibly politicized. But it, to answer your question, though, from before, Trump and Mnuchin were calling for it too, Joe. They also wanted stimulus checks. The people who didn't want stimulus checks? Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell. But Trump and Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, wanted stimulus checks because listen, Trump knew, "Hey, you know, I'm kind of struggling in the polls here. I wanna throw a Hail Mary pass." One of the ways to get people to like you, you know, three weeks before an election, cut them another stimulus check and he famously wanted his name on the checks. He said, "Put my name on the check so that when people cash it, they know that it's from me and then they're more likely to vote for me." And what got in his way was Nancy Pelosi, who wouldn't accept any deal even if it was a good deal, and Mitch McConnell who, even if Nancy Pelosi accepted the stimulus deal, Mitch McConnell would've blocked it anyway. So, those are the real ghouls because Trump wanted stimulus checks, Mnuchin wanted stimulus checks, and this is to their credit-

Tim Dillon 46:32 Do they ever leave? Do they ever leave... She's 100-

Kyle Kulinski 46:35 I know, man.

Tim Dillon 46:35 I mean, does she ever go away?

Kyle Kulinski 46:37 I know.

Joe Rogan 46:38 She's spooky. When she went to that fucking, uh, beauty salon and had no mask on-

Tim Dillon 46:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:42 ... and then was talking about it, "They should apologize. They set me up." Like, you know, I've said this before, I'll say it again, I don't even have hair-

Tim Dillon 46:49 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:49 ... and I knew the beauty salons were closed.

Tim Dillon 46:50 Right, everyone knew. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:52 You know, you, that lady is 150 years old-

Tim Dillon 46:54 The greatest-

Joe Rogan 46:54 ... she must get her hair dyed every 15 minutes.

Tim Dillon 46:56 Yeah, the greatest story about her was there was a bird that got in her Georgetown townhouse and she had to chase this big bird out of her-

Joe Rogan 47:02 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:02 I mean, she's just a real...

Joe Rogan 47:04 But the fact that she went to a place that was shut down and she wasn't even wearing a mask.

Tim Dillon 47:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Like, all the, like, they're just hypocrites.

Kyle Kulinski 47:11 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 47:11 They don't care.

Joe Rogan 47:12 Yeah. I mean-

Tim Dillon 47:12 They need new leadership.

Joe Rogan 47:14 You know who's been amazing? Jimmy Dore. Jimmy Dore's-

Kyle Kulinski 47:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:17 ... fucking podcaster, he is-

Kyle Kulinski 47:18 He's a good friend of mine. I like Jimmy.

Joe Rogan 47:19 He's, I love Jimmy Dore. He's calling everybody out. Everybody on the left, everybody on the right.

Kyle Kulinski 47:24 That dude breathes fire.

Tim Dillon 47:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:26 He really does.

Kyle Kulinski 47:26 He breathes fire, Jimmy Dore.

Joe Rogan 47:27 He doesn't give a fuck. He goes hard.

Kyle Kulinski 47:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:29 He was doing this thing on Obama. I forgot about this, where Obama went to Flint, Michigan and was drinking the water.

Kyle Kulinski 47:34 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Was fake drinking, he's like, "Can I get a sip of water? Can I get a glass of water?"

Kyle Kulinski 47:39 Oh, gosh.

Joe Rogan 47:39 "This is not a stunt. I actually need a glass of water. I'm actually thirsty."

Kyle Kulinski 47:42 Kids are getting poisoned as he's doing this, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:44 And here, here, like this. This is what he does. (gagging) He took a little poison.

Tim Dillon 47:50 That's kind of a fun bit, though.

Joe Rogan 47:52 He says, "This is not a stunt."

Kyle Kulinski 47:53 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:54 I mean, hey.

Joe Rogan 47:56 "Can I get a glass of water?"

Kyle Kulinski 47:57 We still don't have clean water in Flint, Michigan all these years later.

Tim Dillon 48:00 Why- why is, why is that so hard to fix?

Joe Rogan 48:02 That's a good question.

Kyle Kulinski 48:03 I think the reason why, they didn't want to spend the extra money to get the proper pipes and so then when it got terrible and it was contaminated, they were like, "Whoopsie." And then I don't know how at this late date they haven't fixed it yet. That strikes me as absolutely absurd.

Joe Rogan 48:17 Right, that was the Obama administration, so we've gone through an entire-

Kyle Kulinski 48:20 Happened under Obama, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:21 ... Trump administration and it hasn't been repaired. Insane.

Kyle Kulinski 48:23 Obama didn't do anything serious, Trump didn't do anything serious.

Tim Dillon 48:26 And those, that's people's lives. Those are kids' lives, man. It's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Well, no, that is long term repercussions, right? So, we're talking about people now, who knows what it's like 15 years from now, 20 years from now, growing up without water?

Kyle Kulinski 48:38 Right. And listen, people, this is the stuff that actually matters to people. If you really, if you want to be successful running for political office, it's not that difficult. It's the bread and butter issues. It's the basics; wages, jobs, you know, I don't want your water to be poisoned.

Joe Rogan 48:54 What stops them from fixing these things?

Kyle Kulinski 48:56 A lot of it's corruption. A lot of it's the fact that these politicians take money from corporations and billionaires and then they turn around and they serve them and they don't do anything that their constituents want. Because as a general rule, whatever the people want is opposed by the billionaire class. The billionaire class just wants more tax cuts for themselves. Regular people, if you look at the polls, they want, you know, a living wage, for example. They want to end the wars. They want to do an infrastructure deal and give people jobs. Like, the things are, are very basic and actually, this gets back to what we were talking about earlier because Trump in 2016...He was, he never got credit for running a superb campaign, 'cause he really did. When Hillary Clinton was not stepping foot in the Rust Belt to campaign, he was doing rallies there in the final weeks leading up to the election, where he would non-stop hammer on jobs and he would say, you know, "Hillary and Bill, they outsourced your job with NAFTA, they outsourced your job with permanent normal trade relations with China. I'm gonna bring your job back. I'm the outsider, she's the insider. They sent your kids to go die in a war. I want to get us out of the war." And he just kept hammering her and hammering her and hammering her. And the reason he won is because those states are the states that he picked off to win the electoral college. He won by something from like 70,000 to 110,000 votes. And in fact, I kind of want to show you this ad because it, it shows it perfectly. Trump's closing ad in 2016, that's actually what it's called on YouTube. Jamie, if you want to pull that up. Uh, Trump's closing argument ad or something like that. The ad is phenomenal. It's, it's policy based, it's substance based, and he portrays himself as the outsider.

Joe Rogan 50:26 (coughs)

Kyle Kulinski 50:26 And then comparing how good his campaign was in 2016 versus how shitty it is this time around, I'm not surprised that Joe

Kyle Kulinski 50:35 Biden, who barely has a functioning brain, is casually up by nine points, eight points, nine points, whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 50:41 But is, do you, wouldn't you agree that it's not that Joe Biden's run a good campaign, it's that people hate Trump.

Kyle Kulinski 50:47 It, that's exactly right.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 50:49 That's exactly right.

Joe Rogan 50:49 And look, the-

Kyle Kulinski 50:50 But they didn't hate Trump 2016. Trump 2016 was a good politician. The best thing that Biden did-

Joe Rogan 50:54 He was a really good politician.

Kyle Kulinski 50:56 ... in this cycle is not really go out to deal with the public. Hide. Like that's what-

Joe Rogan 51:02 Well, every time he did-

Kyle Kulinski 51:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 ... he fucked up 50% of the time. Exactly. So that was a, if there's anything that they did good, it's keeping him away-

Kyle Kulinski 51:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:10 ... from the people.

Kyle Kulinski 51:11 Do you think though that if COVID didn't happen, where the economy was before COVID-

Joe Rogan 51:15 Trump-

Kyle Kulinski 51:15 ... Trump-

Joe Rogan 51:15 ... was much more likely to win.

Kyle Kulinski 51:16 Well, no. He was winning 100%. Much more likely to win. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 51:19 I mean, dude, without COVID, Trump is, is, I mean, he's, he wins. Do you buy the argument that Trump is responsible for the economy's big boom, or do you think that he was riding off the wave of Obama, or do you think it's a combination of both things?

Kyle Kulinski 51:36 See, that's interesting 'cause I actually don't agree with either one of those. I think the economy was always a house of cards. I don't buy it when people say, "Oh, we have a low unemployment rate and the stock market is doing well, so people are doing well." No. Even before COVID, 78% of the country was living paycheck to paycheck. Like it, it's, it's a house of cards. They use these indicators which are not good economic indicators for regular people. They're good economic indicators for the top 10% that have fucking stocks. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 51:59 Mm-hmm. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 51:59 And, and by the way, it's the gig economy, right? It's not that people were necessarily unemployed, but people were underemployed. They would have these j- they'd have these fucking degrees from colleges and then they'd have to go take a job where they're basically making minimum wage, uh, working as an independent contractor, not an employee. So like, the economy was always a house of cards, and I never bought the argument. And by the way, not a hypocrite on this, 'cause when Obama was acting like his economy was good, I was like, "Your economy's fucking shit." It's got the same problem as it was under Trump. These are not good economic indicators. I care about wages, for example. Rates of unionization usually go right along with the health of the middle class. Back when we had strong unions in this country, we had one of the healthiest middle classes in the world.

Joe Rogan 52:39 What killed that off? NAFTA?

Kyle Kulinski 52:41 Um, no. NAFTA was, it had a lot to do with the outsourcing of jobs. Actually permanent normal trade relations with China was worse on that front. There was more outsourced under that than under NAFTA. Um, it was-

Joe Rogan 52:51 But out- but we did lose a lot of jobs in the auto industry, we lost a lot of job, a lot of jobs were outsourced.

Kyle Kulinski 52:56 Well, that, that was because, that, again, that was because of corruption. That's because the people who were the executives at these companies, they pay the politicians to run their campaigns and then they would go to the politicians and say, "Hey, hey. I financed your last campaign, I need you to do me a favor. I want to, you know, make my product a lot cheaper, so I'd like to ship it to some Chinese factory where we have, you know, a 14-year-old working for me, as opposed to paying an American worker a living wage with good benefits." So it all comes down to money. It all comes down to, you know, corruption and-

Joe Rogan 53:27 That really does show what k- what hypocrites we are, because all these people who are progressive, they all have iPhones in their pockets.

Kyle Kulinski 53:32 Yes, that's right. And you're right, we're all hypocrites. All of us are

Kyle Kulinski 53:35 hypocrites.

Joe Rogan 53:35 And that, like unless you're buying some phone that, uh, what, like what is the most, we've talked about this before, Jamie, but I don't remember anything, what is the most ethical phone you can buy? 'Cause it's clear-

Kyle Kulinski 53:47 Was it the Fairphone? Remember?

Joe Rogan 53:49 Right. Right.

Kyle Kulinski 53:50 I think I heard, I think I learned that from you.

Joe Rogan 53:51 Yeah. That's right. That's right, that's what it is. And, uh, even that, like where are the minerals coming from? If you follow the chain-

Kyle Kulinski 53:58 And there's slaves somewhere.

Joe Rogan 53:59 ... of parts and there's a slave with a stick.

Kyle Kulinski 54:00 There's slaves somewhere. That's right.

Joe Rogan 54:01 But like, how do you, what do you do though?

Kyle Kulinski 54:03 Cultural, I know man, it's tough.

Joe Rogan 54:04 I mean, that's the problem, it's, we're all complicit in these things. What do you do? I mean...

Kyle Kulinski 54:07 I mean, we could do what we can control, and I did think, you know, a lot of Trump's rhetoric in 2016 on trade-

Joe Rogan 54:16 Are they really slaves-

Kyle Kulinski 54:17 ... I think he was correct.

Joe Rogan 54:17 ... in the China, that are making the phones? (laughs) Slaves in the China.

Speaker 54:22 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 54:22 In the factory.

Joe Rogan 54:22 You know what I mean? Are they really slaves-

Kyle Kulinski 54:25 Foxconn, whatever it's called.

Joe Rogan 54:25 ... that they don't enjoy it all?

Speaker 54:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:27 Do they not enjoy it all to make-

Kyle Kulinski 54:29 Well, there was actually an expose-

Joe Rogan 54:30 They make, this is beautiful.

Kyle Kulinski 54:31 There was actually an expose recently written by a guy who, uh, posed as a w- he's a, a, a guy of Chinese descent but I believe he's American, and he worked in, um, a factory, uh, making iPhones and doing one thing 12 hours a day. And he wrote a story about it, like how inhumane the conditions are there. Right.

Joe Rogan 54:51 And, just to-

Kyle Kulinski 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 ... try to get it in people's heads like, this is what you're supporting when you buy a phone. What's really kind of crazy is that Apple, with all their money, right, and they're my favorite phone company, right? They're, they're, they're my favorite phone company because they don't, they don't, they, they don't sell your information like Google does.

Kyle Kulinski 55:09 Right. Yeah, they care about privacy. They, right.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Even with your, uh, with Apple Maps, they don't, they're not like constantly collecting data and, and then just selling it to all these companies.... e- even them, they, they don't see this massive problem. And they don't do anything about it. They just keep going down the same road because it's been effective and because economically, they have, uh, an obligation to their shareholders in that this is the most profitable way to do it, so they keep doing it that way.

Kyle Kulinski 55:37 That's right. And this gets back to the ir- the Iraq and Afghanistan war. There's trillions of dollars of mineral wealth in Afghanistan. Like, a lot of the stuff that ends up in your phone-

Joe Rogan 55:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 55:47 ... comes from there.

Joe Rogan 55:48 Yeah, for sure.

Kyle Kulinski 55:48 You know?

Speaker 55:49 Like lithium-ion, all that stuff.

Kyle Kulinski 55:50 That's right. That's right.

Joe Rogan 55:51 There's a, a huge deposit of lithium in Afghanistan. There was a big story about that a few years ago w- that they had found this, uh, new massive deposit of lithium. I want you to imagine this, because... And, and I want to put this out there. If Apple had their version of a Fairphone.

Kyle Kulinski 56:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:08 Like say this is our iPhone 12 Max Pro, but this is our Fairphone. Now this phone is m- everybody makes at least $15 an hour.

Kyle Kulinski 56:17 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:17 This is, this is a phone that doesn't use any conflict minerals that come from war-torn countries, but it costs $1,000.

Kyle Kulinski 56:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:26 But it's not as good as the phone that costs $800.

Kyle Kulinski 56:29 Yeah. Who would get it, right? That's the question.

Joe Rogan 56:31 But, but I think a lot of people would 'cause they would virtue signal.

Kyle Kulinski 56:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:33 They would say, "I'm using the Fairphone."

Kyle Kulinski 56:34 But that's not

Kyle Kulinski 56:35 even... Like, virtue signal has a negative connotation. That's a good virtue signal.

Joe Rogan 56:38 Right. But I mean in a good way, but in a good way.

Kyle Kulinski 56:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:39 What, what do you nee- ... Like, I have a new phone. I got a 12. I'm a fucking moron. Right? I was like, "Oh, get 12, better camera!"

Speaker 56:45 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 56:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:46 "Get a better camera! Oh, sides, sides! They're flat now! Yeah, love it!" Um. But I don't need it, right?

Speaker 56:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Like if you made a phone that's the equivalent of the iPhone 7, right? And, uh, it cost $900, but you feel good about yourself. You don't, you don't feel bad. What the fuck do you need your phone to do? It's not making complex computations. It's not doing, like, s- super, uh, difficult, uh, video rendering. Unless you're a hardcore gamer on your phone.

Kyle Kulinski 57:16 Yeah.

Speaker 57:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:17 What are you really using your goddamn phone? You're FaceTiming your friends.

Kyle Kulinski 57:20 Texting.

Joe Rogan 57:20 You're making a few text messages. You're checking your email. Maybe you watch a YouTube video. You play a podcast when you're in your car, you listen to music. What the fuck are you using your phone for that you need a new processor every... Oh, the new OLED has, you know, the, the, the new resolution is far better than the old re- there's more pixels.

Kyle Kulinski 57:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:37 Listen, I'm 53 years old. I need glasses to see my fucking text messages.

Kyle Kulinski 57:41 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:41 I don't know what's going on with your pixels. If, if you could sell a phone that you, you could feel good about, where you could say if a phone company came out with that and that was their big campaign, if, if it was ever a time, now is the time they could do that. And I would buy it.

Kyle Kulinski 57:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:56 I don't fucking need this stupid new phone, but I bought it 'cause I'm a moron. Right? But if, if a phone company came out and said, "This is it. We have a phone." Maybe Korea's better. Maybe Samsung's better. I don't know where they're making their shit or where they're doing their shit.

Kyle Kulinski 58:13 I think, I think they're all bad. I think at the, at the core of it s- that slavery involved with all this. And it's terrible, but it's probably true, right?

Joe Rogan 58:20 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 58:20 Like, is anybody's hands really clean in all this?

Joe Rogan 58:23 I mean, it's relative, right? Like, relatively clean, cleaner. I mean it's like-

Kyle Kulinski 58:26 But I mean, this is why we need efficient, effective regulation.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Right. Is it even possible?

Kyle Kulinski 58:31 It's like let's avoid the slavery thing.

Joe Rogan 58:33 Yes.

Kyle Kulinski 58:33 Well listen, it's harder... The, the, the broader the scope, the harder it is. So yes, if you're asking, "Hey, is it really possible to know where we get everything from for phones that are sold here when none of the materials come from here?" No, it's really not possible.

Joe Rogan 58:47 Well, someone's got to know. Right?

Speaker 58:49 Apple, their new phone has a bunch of recycled material in it.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Sure. But that means recycled from eventually slaves-

Kyle Kulinski 58:55 (laughs)

Speaker 58:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:55 ... getting it out of the ground. From, I mean it-

Speaker 58:57 Well, from other phones is what they're saying. From-

Joe Rogan 58:59 Right. But it originally came from slaves getting those materials out of the ground.

Speaker 59:03 I don't... Yeah, I'm just... But not at a constant rate that's happening every single day.

Kyle Kulinski 59:04 Yeah, he's just saying it's not continuing to feed the slavery pipeline.

Joe Rogan 59:08 So it's slightly, slightly better.

Speaker 59:09 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 59:09 So Apple's rare earth recycling on new iPhone series steps up environmental response. Yeah, but that's just environment. This is... Even though this is good because they're not wasting the materials and they're recycling the materials, that's good for the ami- environment, right? But that doesn't address the Foxconn workers-

Kyle Kulinski 59:25 Right.

Speaker 59:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:25 ... who live in a place where they have dormitories and they have nets around the building 'cause so many people jumped off, they decided to put nets up.

Kyle Kulinski 59:32 Yeah. You would need the international community to get together and we all say to each other, "All right, no slavery?" "Yeah, no slavery." And then some, I mean, some country would decide, "We're going to be assholes because we'll get a competitive advantage if we have slaves," and then they'd probably do it. You know what I mean? But yeah, it's...

Speaker 59:45 Well-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Jimmy, pull up that Fairphone.

Speaker 59:47 Dude, would you really get a Fairphone?

Joe Rogan 59:49 No. I'm just... I was lying on the podcast.

Kyle Kulinski 59:52 I wouldn't either.

Speaker 59:52 It's so insane.

Kyle Kulinski 59:52 Well, it depends, it depends how shitty it is though, right?

Joe Rogan 59:54 Can I AirDrop?

Kyle Kulinski 59:54 Like if it's actually okay-

Speaker 59:55 If it's even less, like slightly less, uh, I'm gonna d- go slavery.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Here it is.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 But, but can I AirDrop with the Fairphone?

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:04 Go slavery.

Speaker 1:00:04 It's got Android, so I mean...

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Oh, so it-

Speaker 1:00:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Designed to last. What does it say? Recycled and, uh, recycled and fair materials. 48 megapixel camera. That's pretty good.

Speaker 1:00:15 You look like a punk if you have this.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 How dare you? A punk?

Speaker 1:00:18 You look like a punk if you pull out a Fairphone.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Look at this fucking guy. He doesn't...

Speaker 1:00:22 Dude, it's horrible.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 He doesn't even agree with slavery, this asshole.

Speaker 1:00:24 What a horrible conversation starter. "Oh, I have a Fairphone." Oh, you think you've stopped slavery because you have one Fairphone?

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Well, let's l- look... Why do they have white text on blue? It's so hard to read.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:33 But see, no, you're, you're actually making a great point.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 You're making a great point.

Speaker 1:00:35 I'm making... I'm always doing that.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:36 Because like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:37 ... it's not an individual issue. It's like when people say about climate change-

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 I just never know when I'm doing it.

Kyle Kulinski 1:00:41 It's like when people say about climate change, like, "Oh, do you drive a fucking car? Is that what you did? You drove a car to get here? Did you know that fucking climate change is happening?" It's like, yeah, asshole. And it's not like one individual can really make that much of a difference. You actually need action from a higher level, like 73% of the emissions that lead to climate change come from the same, come from... I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 They only sell outside of Europe? What does it say there?

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:01 73 companies...

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 They only sell in Europe.

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:03 They have like 100% or 90% of the emissions, some crazy stats that I'm not remembering.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 They only sell within the EEA and Switzerland. "As an organization based in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, we currently focus our sales efforts in Europe. At the same time, we are researching the market and logistic possibilities to sell outside of Europe. You can find our full list of countries where we sell and ship to."

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Okay. Click on that.

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:25 When they try to sell outside of Europe.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Do they sell it to America? Can I buy one?... does it say United States? LMNOP, QRS, nope. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:01:35 Vatican City.

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:36 They don't even allow it here?

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Why would you-

Tim Dillon 1:01:37 You guys have Vatican City?

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Y- yeah, well, when you're molesting children, you really want a Fairphone.

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:41 (laughs) They don't even allow it here?

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 No, but they don't- they don't sell it here.

Tim Dillon 1:01:45 I think the phone... I think we d- we call it, we say this is slavery, but we don't really know. Right?

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:50 Well, at the heart of it-

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Do we really know?

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:51 ... with the mines, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 1:01:52 There's, there's child slaves in those mines.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Shipping outside of Europe. We do not sell or ship Fairphone products outside of Europe at the moment. Yet, the good news is, we plan to start developing a selection of countries outside... ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. The question at the moment is how fast can we make this happen? As an Amsterdam-based organization, we wanted to launch a Fairphone products in Europe... yeah, yeah, yeah. For the coming time, we will continue to focus our sales efforts on this region. Oh, they don't have any plans. So then you can't even buy this fucking phone here. But it's not a bad phone, if you look at what it is. It's a 46 megapixel camera, uses Android 10, which is, I think that's the latest. No, is it Android 11 now?

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:31 No.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 I think they have Android 11 now.

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:33 But Tim is right. This is not an individual issue. It has to, like action needs to be taken at a higher level.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:38 You can't just have one person going to buy a Fairphone.

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:39 Right. That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah.

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:40 Correct.

Tim Dillon 1:02:40 It's gotta be systemic.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Yeah. Well, and I gotta be able to AirDrop too.

Tim Dillon 1:02:45 And the point... and the point I was trying to make which I couldn't get out-

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:46 I, I think the phone system works well.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 What phone system?

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:49 The, the, the one where we get, where we get the nice phones- ... and we get it. And we get a new one every year. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:02:51 Joe, he's saying he's pro slavery. This is what he's saying.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 (laughs)

Kyle Kulinski 1:02:54 I'm not pro slavery, but if you're a child in China, you have to keep yourself occupied.

Tim Dillon 1:02:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 You can upgrade your camera. There's a camera module.

Kyle Kulinski 1:03:02 That's kinda- that's kinda cool.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 That's pretty cool.

Kyle Kulinski 1:03:03 If it works, good.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Discover the greener way to get new features. Wow. So they have a module that you can take out and then put back in. It probably also means no water resistance. With all this modular shit,