JRE Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

1. 0:00 – 2:53

   Prelims running long + early chatter on Jai Herbert and Ilia Topuria’s next move

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... thing that I told you about the-

   2. BSBrendan Schaub0:01

      God, Joe is the best.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Hey, we're up, we're up, we're up, we're up. Uh, it's not a good sign that the fights are still going on for the prelims. That must mean there's a lot of decisions.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub0:10

      Lot of prelims.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Lot of prelims, but also a lot of decisions. Like, usually they time it out better, 'cause it's like 3:04 now and this is 1:37 to go in the third round of Jai Herbert.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub0:21

      Not ideal.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      No. But, you know, shit happens.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub0:24

      Shit happens.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      At least, at least they're not doing it at five o'clock in the morning.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub0:27

       True. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       That was, that was fucking ridiculous. If I was Leon, I'd be pissed.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub0:32

       What time was it in the UK when this happened?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       It's normal time. It's, uh, you know-

   14. BSBrendan Schaub0:35

       They're seven hours ahead, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah. So it's nighttime there.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub0:37

       Yeah, so it's their normal time.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       So it's like 10:00 PM right now, it's normal. Are they six hours ahead or seven hours ahead?

   18. BSBrendan Schaub0:42

       I thought it was seven.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Something like that. Um, but either way it's nighttime there.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub0:48

       Have you- have you seen any of these guys fight before?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah. Jai Herbert's the guy that head kicked Ilia Topuria. He dropped-

   22. BSBrendan Schaub0:53

       Knocked him out?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       He dropped-

   24. BSBrendan Schaub0:54

       No, he got in the middle.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       With a vicious head kick and then Ilia fucking starched him in the next round.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub0:58

       Yeah. He has great striking. Great striking.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Yeah. Very, very good kicks.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub1:02

       Big prospect.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Real tall, long, lanky dude. But, you know, Ilia, that guy, he connects on anybody they're going night-night.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub1:08

       Oh, Joe, you pr- if you knew, I know you can't probably talk about it, but do you see Ilia's tweet where he's like, "I'm gonna have big news, you guys aren't expecting it."
2. 2:53 – 4:03

   Matchmaking talk: Max Holloway at 155, Poirier rumors, and Topuria’s danger

   1. BSBrendan Schaub2:53

      Oh, there you go. Um, Dustin Poirier? No, uh, Dustin's fighting Max.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:59

      He is?

   3. BSBrendan Schaub3:00

      I think so, for the BMF shit.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      Really?

   5. BSBrendan Schaub3:02

      I think. Double check that, Jimmy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      That's a great fight too.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub3:05

      I'm crazy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      The third go around.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub3:07

      At 55.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       Yeah.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub3:08

       And it's Max proper... See, I think Max should fight more at 55. I didn't like him going back to 45.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       100%. I think it's too much of a stroke. He, he got pretty big when he got up to fight Gaethje. He put the weight on right.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub3:18

       He looked fantastic.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       He looked fantastic.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub3:19

       And Pe- no, we all remember the knocking of Gaethje in the last seconds there, but he was molly whopping him before that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Yeah, he was beating his ass. And it all started off with that jump spinning back kick to the face in the first round.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub3:29

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Fucked up Gaethje's already fixed nose.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub3:31

       So that Max Holloway, the true Max Holloway at 55?

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Uh-huh.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub3:34

       Versus fucking Dustin for Dustin's last fight in New Orleans?

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Sure.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub3:38

       Take my money.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       The thing is, you gotta wonder, like, how much did that Ilia Topuria knockout take out of Max?

   25. BSBrendan Schaub3:43

       True.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       'Cause that was a beating.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub3:45

       True.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       Ilia's just so fucking dangerous. He's so technical. Like his striking, the way he's like bobbing in and moving. He's so comfortable with his head movement. You can see he's like a step ahead of everybody.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub3:56

       He's good at everything.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       Everything.
3. 4:03 – 5:55

   Weight cutting rant + ONE Championship focus shift + UFC should do kickboxing

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:03

      Well, I think the 45 pound cut is... Look, man, they should all stop cutting weight. That's the reality. Re- cutting weight is bullshit. It's terrible for you. They need more weight classes and they need to stop cutting weight. They need to figure out a way to check hydration levels and, and put people in a weight class and say, "This weight."

   2. BSBrendan Schaub4:19

      Do they still do that in one? They do, they have some kind of-

   3. EBEddie Bravo4:22

      I don't think typically. I, who knows?

   4. BSBrendan Schaub4:23

      One, one's backed off MMA. Like they have a big Muay Thai fight tonight.

   5. EBEddie Bravo4:27

      What do you mean?

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      They backed off MMA, really?

   7. BSBrendan Schaub4:28

      Yeah, they're really focused on kickboxing Muay Thai.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      I think in Asia, that gets a lot of numbers.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub4:33

      Big time.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       And they put on fucking shows, man.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub4:36

       Yeah, there's a huge-

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       They're kickboxing.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub4:37

       There's a huge one tonight. Huge one.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       They're... Kickboxing and Muay Thai fights, I think the UFC fucked up when they went with slap fighting. I've been telling them forever, "You guys should get into kickboxing." If you only like standup fights, there's... It's not like the old days of kickboxing where they were boring.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub4:53

       No.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Like PK, karate.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub4:54

       There's characters, man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       And the knockouts are fucking crazy.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub4:58

       Also, all your champs are coming from kickboxing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Yeah.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub5:00

       Alex, Izzy, like you get some monsters.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       But kickboxing with MMA gloves in a cage would be giant with the UFC.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub5:07

       It would be dope.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Just have a striking only segment of the UFC.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub5:11

       And Glory's coming back. Glory's doing a heavyweight competition soon.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       Glory's got some elite fighters, man. I watch Glory all the time.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub5:17

       I love it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       Th- it's fucking exciting, but nobody's watching it. Nobody knows who these people are.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub5:21

       You just gotta educate the crowd.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Right.
4. 5:55 – 7:17

   Grappling’s growth: UFC influence, Fight Pass, and a ‘TUF for grappling’ concept

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:55

      Yeah, it was a big deal. Having the UFC get involved heavily in jiu-jitsu is huge. Are you still doing stuff with them?... yeah, yeah. I have a great relationship with them. I think they're trying to put together some kind of, like, a tough show now, like an Ultimate Fighter show-

   2. BSBrendan Schaub6:09

      Ooh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:09

      ... for grappling. Which would be, which would be cool because then you can, like, build a star from scratch.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub6:14

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:14

      Um, because-

   6. BSBrendan Schaub6:14

      And get to know the guys.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:15

      Exactly, yeah. You can get people emotionally involved then.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub6:18

      'Cause they, 'cause they-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:19

      Their character.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub6:19

       ... they exclusively signed Mikey, Mousasi, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Yeah, yeah.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub6:22

       Boy, it's hard to get people to watch those reality shows these days. I think people kind of burned out on reality shows.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Yeah.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub6:26

       You know DC and Chael are shooting one right now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       They're shooting The Ultimate Fighter.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub6:30

       They gotta give up on that, bro. And that, listen, where do you watch that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       And that's like season 90. Uh, I don't know Where you watch it at?

   18. BSBrendan Schaub6:34

       Fi- or, uh, it's on ESPN+, I think.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       Is it? I haven't watched it in forever.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub6:39

       No one does.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       I watch the finals. I watch the finals to see how good the guys are who win.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub6:42

       Yeah, sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       You know, and see where they're at. You know, I watch Dana White's Contender Series probably more.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub6:47

       That's the best thing in combat sports.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Fucking phenomenal.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub6:49

       As far as, like, talent, like the, the, it's the best.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       Because they're super hyped, they have insane motivation, they have this unbelievable opportunity if they do that, they skyrocket into the UFC.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub6:59

       And, and it's not like The Ultimate Fighter, like, where you can win based off grappling and, you know, just hold guys down, then you become champion, you get a UFC contract.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       Yeah.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub7:06

       C- Dana White Contender Series, there's dudes who win and he's like, "Nah, not exciting enough."
5. 7:17 – 7:57

   Incentivizing finishes: bonuses, ‘show money only’ ideas, and confusion over leagues (GFL/PFL)

   1. GRGordon Ryan7:17

      Is it illegal to have a, a finish bonus in, in the UFC? Like, you get paid whatever, uh, $80,000 to show, $80,000 to win, and then another $80,000-

   2. BSBrendan Schaub7:29

      $50,000?

   3. GRGordon Ryan7:29

      ... if you finish the fight.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub7:30

      It's not illegal.

   5. GRGordon Ryan7:31

      I mean, is that illegal?

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:31

      No.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub7:32

      No.

   8. GRGordon Ryan7:32

      No?

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:32

      No, definitely not illegal, no.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub7:34

       They do it now where, like, performance bonuses-

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       It would, it would help a little bit, I think.

   12. GRGordon Ryan7:36

       Now it's a bonus point.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       Yeah, it would help a little bit.

   14. GRGordon Ryan7:38

       Or, or, or go gangster and go, you know, you have show money and then you get extra money, like, uh, you know, double, but you have to knock them out or submit them.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub7:46

       See, I'm in favor of that.

   16. GRGordon Ryan7:47

       Otherwise you just get your show money.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub7:48

       UFL does that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Yeah?

   19. BSBrendan Schaub7:49

       I know everyone says, UFL does that.

   20. GRGordon Ryan7:51

       Oh, really?

   21. BSBrendan Schaub7:51

       Yeah.

   22. GRGordon Ryan7:51

       Okay, I think that's a good idea.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       Wait, what's UFL now?

   24. BSBrendan Schaub7:54

       What do you mean?

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:55

       PFL?

   26. BSBrendan Schaub7:56

       No, UFL.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       What's UFL?

6. 7:57 – 11:53

   GFL and veterans: Romero vs Mousasi hype, bare-knuckle tangents, and league economics

   1. BSBrendan Schaub7:57

      Uh, UFL is where, like, Tony Ferguson and Dillon Danis is fighting.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:00

      But I thought that was GFL.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub8:03

      Yeah, GFL.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:03

      GFL, okay, okay, okay.

   5. GRGordon Ryan8:04

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub8:05

      Yeah, GFL, sorry. Yeah, there's PFL, there's GFL, UFL is something else.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:08

      But we were talking about-

   8. GRGordon Ryan8:09

      GFL does that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      ... the one fight that I'm interested in.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub8:11

       Yoel Romero?

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       And Mousasi.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub8:12

       That's a great fight.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:13

       That's a great fight. That's-

   14. BSBrendan Schaub8:14

       Great fight.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       ... one fight that GFL is putting together, I'm like, "Ooh, I'll watch that."

   16. GRGordon Ryan8:18

       How old are they? Are they both over 40?

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       100. They're 100 years old. Yeah, both 100.

   18. GRGordon Ryan8:21

       Yoel's 79 years old, dude.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       (laughs) I don't care, he looks fucking amazing.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub8:26

       Well, he's fighting bare knuckle-

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       Yeah.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub8:28

       ... too. Like, he, he, I saw some promo, some giant dude he's fighting.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       Did you see him box that slap fight guy?

   24. BSBrendan Schaub8:34

       Bro, that slap fight guy, when he jumped up in the air I was like, "Oh, I fucked up."

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       (laughs) He just-

   26. BSBrendan Schaub8:38

       I fucked up.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Yoel just fucking just jumped up in the air for no reason.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub8:41

       Like an alien.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       Right before, right before he decided to beat his ass, he just jumped straight up in the air and just-

   30. BSBrendan Schaub8:46

       And just some sloppy white guy, you see him go, "Oh, fuck."
7. 11:53 – 14:50

   Jan Błachowicz’s shoulder rebuild + Rogan’s back rehab + peptides and recovery culture

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:53

      Oh, yeah, man. He's been, been there, done that forever. Jan Blachowicz. So you were saying that Blachowicz got both of his shoulders reconstructed?

   2. BSBrendan Schaub12:00

      Both of them. Been out two years. One shoulder's bad enough-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:04

      Nice.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub12:04

      ... but what's impressive about them is he was fighting with bad shoulders when he beat all these boys.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:09

      Really?

   6. BSBrendan Schaub12:09

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:10

      I mean, how bad were they? Shoulders are tough.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub12:12

      They get worse?

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:14

      It's like the worst injury.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub12:15

       Yeah, do they get-

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       It's a bad injury because it's such a complicated joint.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub12:17

       Yep, I had...

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       ... full blown surgery. It was, uh-

   14. BSBrendan Schaub12:20

       How's it now?

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:21

       Uh, it's good now.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub12:22

       Stem cells? How's your back? Your lower back?

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:25

       My lower back's good, man. I got into that Joe Hi- Hip and Steel stretching. Remember I told you about that?

   18. BSBrendan Schaub12:29

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:29

       That, that's huge. I do that every day.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub12:31

       That changed everything for you?

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       Uh, it, it makes it so that I don't need surgery, 'cause I'm supposed to go back for more back surgery.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub12:37

       Really?

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:37

       I was supposed to do that two years ago.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub12:39

       For another disc?

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       Yeah, another one. But, uh, I'm delaying that as long as possible and s- you know, doing these stretches, man. It takes about an hour and a half to do these stretches every day, but it makes it manageable where I could, uh, you know, tie my shoelaces without pain, you know?

   26. BSBrendan Schaub12:55

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       So-

   28. BSBrendan Schaub12:55

       Lower backs are a motherfucker, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       Yeah, yeah. So-

   30. BSBrendan Schaub12:59

       Whatever you can do to avoid surgery, man. There's like, there's enough shit out there.
8. 14:50 – 17:57

   Brendan’s ‘supplement buffet’: scorpion venom, methylene blue, and being a human test lab

   1. BSBrendan Schaub14:50

      And yours? Good shoulders? Good shoulders. I tore my bicep, uh, like a month ago probably. But I'm on all sorts of shit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:58

      How bad is it?

   3. BSBrendan Schaub14:58

      It looks weird. You can see it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Did you get it fixed or no?

   5. BSBrendan Schaub15:01

      Nah, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      You don't have to get it fixed? Is it a small tear?

   7. BSBrendan Schaub15:04

      Yeah, it's a small tear.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Oh, okay.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub15:05

      I've just been injecting fucking peptide-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:07

       BPC?

   11. BSBrendan Schaub15:08

       You name-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       Yeah.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub15:08

       ... something. Just fucking... (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:09

       Oh, yeah.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub15:10

       Dude, fucking back to it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       Bro, BPC 157 with the TB 500 is amazing.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub15:15

       The best.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       Amazing.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub15:17

       I started taking, uh, blue scorpion venom shit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       What?

   21. BSBrendan Schaub15:20

       Yeah, some scorpion venom.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       What, what are you doing?

   23. BSBrendan Schaub15:21

       Some ve-... I don't know, name something.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       (laughs)

   25. BSBrendan Schaub15:23

       (laughs) Anything someone offers me, I'm like, "I'll try it out."

   26. GUGuest15:26

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       Like, the name of... The brand name is Venom or actual venom?

   28. BSBrendan Schaub15:29

       It's Blue Venom. They take venom and, and then put peptides with it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       From who? Like snake? What?

   30. BSBrendan Schaub15:33

       From, from a fucking scorpion.
9. 17:57 – 20:44

   Grappling contracts and PED reality: testing economics, exclusivity, and ONE’s talent pipeline

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:57

      Now with the UFC being involved in grappling, they're not thinking about drug testing anybody, are they?

   2. GUGuest18:03

      I don't think so. Um, as far as I know, no, because none of the other organizations test.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:08

      Right.

   4. GUGuest18:08

      So it's like, unless you're gonna sign... Which is starting to happen now, 'cause there's a little bit more money.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub18:12

      IBJJF tests.

   6. GUGuest18:14

      Yeah, I bet that's it.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub18:15

      Yeah, okay.

   8. GUGuest18:16

      Yeah, that's it. Um, you know, they're, they're starting to sign people exclusive now, 'cause there's a little bit more money.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:21

      Yeah.

   10. GUGuest18:22

       But unless you're gonna test acro- unless every organization is gonna test...... and it doesn't make sense, because then you have the guys-

   11. It sounds silly. Right.

   12. ... who are, who, guys who are tested in the UFC who are fighting on Flo or at ONE or other events who are fighting guys who are juiced anyway.

   13. Right.

   14. So, the whole reason to have testing is to have guys who are not on steroids compete against one another. That's not really-

   15. Right. But if they came up with an organization that came up with the most money and said, "But here's the rules. We're gonna go USADA."

   16. Yeah.

   17. Yeah.

   18. That would, that would work.

   19. But don't.

   20. But the problem is, is that you need a business model where you can make that amount of money back.

   21. Right. Right.

   22. Like, just to, just to pay for testing, like, most of the guys-

   23. So expensive.

   24. ... that are competing on, like, the undercard or, like, not even the main event guys, you'd actually be losing money testing-

   25. Yeah.

   26. ... them regularly.

   27. Hmm. Also, it dulls down the sport. But also, it, when, when the UFC signs, uh, a jiu-jit, like, say, Mikey Musumeci, is it exclusive? Can he not compete anywhere else?

   28. Um, so usually when they do exclusive, I don't know what his contract is obviously, but, uh, usually they're, usually it's exclusive, but they have cutouts for things like ADCC or, like, big world championships. Otherwise, it's hard to sign the guys completely exclusive.

   29. That's what I was gonna say. You'd have to pay him a salary.

   30. Like, for example, if, if UFC signed Mikey exclusive, and then he wanted to do ADCC but it's on Flo, like, a lot of times the guys have cutouts for that, like big world championship-
10. 20:44 – 24:29

    Live fight sync begins + Jones vs Aspinall negotiation talk + heavyweight matchmaking problem

    1. GUGuest20:44

       I sent my boy to it. There it is. You wanna sync this? R0DE 10. First fight is right about to start, and we are ... Marc Goddard is waiting to kick it off. He's moving to the center of the octagon now. And he goes. And the time is 4:57, 4:56, 4:55, 4:54, 4:53. We're off. How do you say that dude's name? Shaari, Shararee? Shararee? Shararee? Shararee. This is in, uh, London? Yes, sir. Let's go. Tell me a- Which, which- Tell me a little bit about these guys. I, I don't know much. I didn't study this.

    2. He's 12-3.

    3. Brendan? I, I wish, I wish, uh- You don't know? Oh my God. No, I know some guys.

    4. Featherweights.

    5. No, I got some things. Who has he fought?

    6. Eight, eight first round finishes.

    7. That's- He ... That's really good. Um ... Man, Brendan got stomped. Yeah, he gets crispy after this. But what I was gonna say is I wish we were seeing Jon Jones-Aspinall in London. Yeah, that's what they should be seeing. But I think Jon's gonna hold out as long as he can to make the most money. And then he just- Which you can't be mad at, but also, you know Tom Aspinall? I think soon he'll, he'll be the interim champ for the longest ever, over 500 days. That's not good. No, that's kinda crazy. 500 days is kinda crazy. 500 days is wild. It's kinda crazy. And then- And, and then- And then Jon said he wants six months to train. Which is, uh, that's just negotiation tactics. Like, dude, he's been on your radar for three years. And you took two years to get ready for heavyweight. What are we doing? Yeah, but, I mean, Jon- You should also get your money. ... is so meticulous in his preparation. Like, you've worked with Jon. You trained with him when he was getting ready for- Yeah. ... Stipe.

    8. Yeah, we did, uh, the first camp. I was with him for, like, a couple weeks, and then the, the, uh, and then S- Stipe got hurt. And then the second camp ... Oh.

    9. Oh, here we go. Someone got hurt.

    10. He dropped him. I didn't see with what, but he definitely dropped him.

    11. So-

    12. But yeah, the second camp I was with him for, like, a full, like, six or seven weeks. So that was a ...

    13. And do, do you think Tom Aspinall is like, uh, let's, Jon's gonna get him down. If you got him down, Jon as far as beating Aspinall's guard, you think it'd be an issue for Jon at all?

    14. Um, no. I think that, uh, I think Tom would probably be trying to stand up. Um, I don't ... And Tom also has pretty good, like, fast take-downs, so-

    15. Yeah.

    16. ... they could, they could both take one another down.

    17. Yeah.

    18. Um, but, uh, I, I don't think that Tom is gonna be able to, like, really s- do anything besides try to get up on Jon.

    19. Yeah. Tryna get that mounted guillotine. 'Cause he, he's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a kid, you know? It's rare you have a big guy with good hips. Good dog fight, boom.

    20. Yeah.

    21. He's so fast too. Tom, yeah. Aspinall, like, as a heavyweight, there's no one-

    22. Yeah.

    23. ... like him. The, the only knock on we really haven't seen- Yeah, but decently. ... would just be his, his defense.

    24. Yeah.

    25. You know, his head exposed, his chin leaned forward.

    26. So the one, uh, the one MMA fight I did see him lose, he got heel hooked, and it was a pretty shitty heel hook that he-

    27. Mm-hmm.

    28. ... that he tapped to, so ...

    29. Aspinall?

    30. Yeah.
11. 24:29 – 33:45

    Leg-lock rabbit hole: Aspinall’s old heel hook loss, ‘dead orchard’ mechanics, and best MMA leg-lock positions

    1. GRGordon Ryan24:29

       So, here it is. Who's this guy?

    2. GUGuest24:31

       So, you see, he- he just scoops the leg from half guard.

    3. EBEddie Bravo24:34

       Tom- Tom was whipping his ass.

    4. GUGuest24:36

       And Tom turns away instead of trying to face him. So, it exposes the heel and it turns into a heel knee bar.

    5. GRGordon Ryan24:41

       Oh, weird.

    6. GUGuest24:43

       It's like ... It's a heel hook, but it's a knee bar w- but with the heel hook gripping so he can't turn back into the lock.

    7. GRGordon Ryan24:47

       That dude's in some pub right now going, "I beat that guy."

    8. GUGuest24:50

       (laughs)

    9. EBEddie Bravo24:50

       "I beat the fucking champ. I beat the fucking champ." This guy keeps trying.

    10. GUGuest24:55

        He's got to create an angle, huh? Now- now his shoulder's in.

    11. GRGordon Ryan24:57

        Well, he's got both arms under him. Yeah. He's gonna go with a dead orchard, right, Eddie? Doesn't work. (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan25:06

        (laughs)

    13. GRGordon Ryan25:07

        Does it ever work in MMA? Has anybody pulled it off in MMA? Yeah, Elvis Sitosic.

    14. EBEddie Bravo25:11

        Oh, that's right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan25:12

        Right.

    16. EBEddie Bravo25:12

        Old school.

    17. GRGordon Ryan25:12

        He was the first one.

    18. GUGuest25:13

        That's right.

    19. GRGordon Ryan25:13

        That's when-

    20. JRJoe Rogan25:14

        Elvis.

    21. GRGordon Ryan25:14

        No one- that's when no one really thought it was ... Like, no one really even noticed it. 'Cause you're taught, tr- you only triangle your legs when there's one arm in, one arm out. Not when there's two arms in.

    22. JRJoe Rogan25:24

        Right.

    23. GRGordon Ryan25:24

        But his legs are so long, he arm barred Jeremy Horn. And then, when you look at it, you're like, "Yo. He has a... He's strangling his legs and he has both arms in. Whoa, that's kind of a freak thing."

    24. JRJoe Rogan25:34

        Yeah.

    25. GRGordon Ryan25:35

        And we just thought it was a freak thing. And then, um, uh, uh, Nathan Orchard and Brian Debs, two of my guys, they just started doing it all the time. They go, "Yeah, dude, we do this all the time." I'm like, "Really? You're doing triangle?" Like, you gotta have long legs.

    26. EBEddie Bravo25:48

        Mm-hmm.

    27. GRGordon Ryan25:48

        You gotta have long legs. If you have short legs, you gotta do a Mexican dead orchard. That's what I do. You gotta do a lot of extra labor.

    28. JRJoe Rogan25:55

        (laughs)

    29. GRGordon Ryan25:55

        There's a- there's a lot of extra stuff you gotta do to pull it off.

    30. JRJoe Rogan25:57

        What's the Mexican dead orchard? How does it work?
12. 33:45 – 48:15

    Jon Jones camp stories: early advice, Jackson-Wink era, and the ‘Trump dance’ locker-room moment

    1. GRGordon Ryan33:45

       Yeah, yeah. The first time, uh, I met him it was his first fight when he fought Stephan Bonner. And we were at, it was in, in Boston, and we were at a boxing gym. And I was just hanging out with you 'cause you were taking a private with, uh, who was the guy from Amsterdam that you were taking privates?

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       Rob Kamen?

    3. GRGordon Ryan34:00

       Shoo- no, it was Shuki.

    4. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       Oh, Suki.

    5. GRGordon Ryan34:02

       It was either Shuki or Rob Kamen. It was one of them. We were in some random boxing gym in Boston, and I was just sitting at, on the, on the ring just-

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:10

       It must've been Rob if we were in Boston.

    7. GRGordon Ryan34:12

       Yeah, waiting, waiting for you to be done. And then no one knew who Jon Jones was. It was his first fight, he's sitting there. And, um, he comes up to me and he, and he asks for advice. He goes, "What, what, what do you think, uh, you know, you got any advice for me?" And I'm like, I didn't know... And he was fighting Stephan Bonner and I thought, "Oh, they're feeding Stephan Bonner some new guy."

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:29

       (laughs)

    9. GRGordon Ryan34:29

       He's, like I felt bad for Jon Jones.

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        You fucked him up.

    11. GUGuest34:32

        Yeah.

    12. GRGordon Ryan34:32

        So what I, what I told him is, is there's two kinds of wrestlers that, uh, come into MMA. Wrestlers that love jujitsu and wrestlers that want to beat jujitsu. I go, "Don't be one of those wrestlers that wants to beat jujitsu. Fall in love with it. Fall in love with submissions, 'cause the guys, the guys that want to beat it, they never last. They're eventually gonna get taken out." Uh, we'll most pe-

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:53

        Also, wrestlers have such an advantage of being able-

    14. GRGordon Ryan34:55

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:55

        ... to manipulate bodies. They've been manipulating bodies their whole lives.

    16. GRGordon Ryan34:57

        The scariest jujitsu guys, the scariest jujitsu guys-

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:59

        Yeah.

    18. GRGordon Ryan34:59

        ... uh, for the most part are guys that wrestle their whole life.

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:02

        Had a wrestling background.

    20. GRGordon Ryan35:03

        And then they fall in, and then they fall in love with jujitsu and they love pulling guard and all that, like, oh scary.

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:07

        Think, think about the guys Jon Jones submitted.

    22. GRGordon Ryan35:09

        Oh, yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:09

        Glover, Ly- Lyoto.

    24. GUGuest35:11

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:11

        Like he's a fucking-

    26. GUGuest35:12

        Vitor.

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:12

        ... savage.

    28. GUGuest35:13

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:13

        Vitor, Gracie.

    30. GRGordon Ryan35:14

        I've been in a Stephan Bonner fight at, wasn't he like just like-
13. 48:15 – 52:47

    GFL logistics and weight classes + influencer boxing fallout + mouth taping detour

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:15

       What kind of testing they got, multiple choice?

    2. BSBrendan Schaub48:17

       Don't be a hater. (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       (laughs)

    4. GRGordon Ryan48:19

       (laughs)

    5. BSBrendan Schaub48:19

       What's this testing you speak of?

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:21

       (laughs)

    7. BSBrendan Schaub48:21

       But dude they got- when they get old guys don't lo- don't test them.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:24

       Be cool.

    9. BSBrendan Schaub48:25

       Don't touch... Be nice.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:26

        What the fuck you doing?

    11. BSBrendan Schaub48:26

        Come on.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:26

        The WWE, yeah yeah yeah. Let's go back to the old days.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub48:28

        But you got Dylan-

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:29

        (laughs)

    15. BSBrendan Schaub48:29

        Dylan Danis, Tony Ferguson like... I like it dog.

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:32

        Oh that's a good fight.

    17. BSBrendan Schaub48:33

        That's a good fight.

    18. GRGordon Ryan48:33

        Yeah that's... I saw that poster.

    19. GUGuest48:36

        ... that's gotta be fake because there's n- zero chance that Dyl- it was at lightweight.

    20. JRJoe Rogan48:40

        Here it is.

    21. GUGuest48:40

        No chance.

    22. But remember-

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:41

        Well, their- their weights are different.

    24. GUGuest48:42

        Their weight tu- the weight cut's different.

    25. What is it?

    26. JRJoe Rogan48:44

        10 pounds. So, they can agree to, to find a weight that they're both comfortable at.

    27. GUGuest48:48

        It's a legendary lightweight matchup.

    28. Yeah, but lightweight's different for them.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:51

        Yeah, but it could be 65. Yeah, it could be-

    30. GUGuest48:52

        But there's no way he makes 65. He could, like, barely make 70 when he was like-
14. 52:47 – 1:03:08

    From Hitler’s mustache to WWI gas science + JFK files + Candace Owens/Weinstein/celebrity legal wars

    1. GUGuest52:47

       That's why Hitler did his mustache that way, so he could fit a gas mask.

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:50

       (laughs)

    3. GUGuest52:50

       That's real.

    4. No!

    5. Yeah, yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:52

       Shut the fuck up.

    7. GUGuest52:53

       Jamie, look it up.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:54

       Is that real?

    9. GUGuest52:54

       Yeah, I know my shit.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:55

        Wow.

    11. GUGuest52:56

        Apparently, he was, he was gassed pretty bad in the first World War.

    12. Yeah.

    13. So, he liked the spice.

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:01

        Wah, wah. And that's why he did that mustache 'cause the gas-

    15. GUGuest53:02

        Oh, it's real?

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:03

        That's real.

    17. GUGuest53:04

        I don't know if that's real.

    18. JRJoe Rogan53:04

        Wow.

    19. GUGuest53:05

        But apparently, he was, uh... He was gassed pretty bad in the first World War.

    20. Yeah, mustard gas.

    21. JRJoe Rogan53:09

        Bro, that first World War was nuts. The first time they decided to use giant fans and gas people. Toothpaste mustache family associated said it originated from military where they'd trim this large mustache to facilitate wearing a gas mask.

    22. GUGuest53:20

        Go down the military order.

    23. JRJoe Rogan53:21

        Wow.

    24. GUGuest53:22

        During his service in Bavarian Infantry Division, Hitler was ordered to trim his mustache to ensure a proper seal with the gas mask.

    25. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        Wow.

    26. GUGuest53:29

        Then you got the Michael Jordan mustache.

    27. That is a fun fact of the day.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:32

        Wow.

    29. GUGuest53:32

        (laughs) Michael Jordan.

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:33

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:27:54