JRE Fight Companion - March 22, 2025

Joe Rogan 0:00 ... thing that I told you about the-

Brendan Schaub 0:01 God, Joe is the best.

Joe Rogan 0:01 Hey, we're up, we're up, we're up, we're up. Uh, it's not a good sign that the fights are still going on for the prelims. That must mean there's a lot of decisions.

Brendan Schaub 0:10 Lot of prelims.

Joe Rogan 0:12 Lot of prelims, but also a lot of decisions. Like, usually they time it out better, 'cause it's like 3:04 now and this is 1:37 to go in the third round of Jai Herbert.

Brendan Schaub 0:21 Not ideal.

Joe Rogan 0:22 No. But, you know, shit happens.

Brendan Schaub 0:24 Shit happens.

Joe Rogan 0:24 At least, at least they're not doing it at five o'clock in the morning.

Brendan Schaub 0:27 True. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:28 That was, that was fucking ridiculous. If I was Leon, I'd be pissed.

Brendan Schaub 0:32 What time was it in the UK when this happened?

Joe Rogan 0:33 It's normal time. It's, uh, you know-

Brendan Schaub 0:35 They're seven hours ahead, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Yeah. So it's nighttime there.

Brendan Schaub 0:37 Yeah, so it's their normal time.

Joe Rogan 0:38 So it's like 10:00 PM right now, it's normal. Are they six hours ahead or seven hours ahead?

Brendan Schaub 0:42 I thought it was seven.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Something like that. Um, but either way it's nighttime there.

Brendan Schaub 0:48 Have you- have you seen any of these guys fight before?

Joe Rogan 0:49 Yeah. Jai Herbert's the guy that head kicked Ilia Topuria. He dropped-

Brendan Schaub 0:53 Knocked him out?

Joe Rogan 0:53 He dropped-

Brendan Schaub 0:54 No, he got in the middle.

Joe Rogan 0:55 With a vicious head kick and then Ilia fucking starched him in the next round.

Brendan Schaub 0:58 Yeah. He has great striking. Great striking.

Joe Rogan 1:00 Yeah. Very, very good kicks.

Brendan Schaub 1:02 Big prospect.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Real tall, long, lanky dude. But, you know, Ilia, that guy, he connects on anybody they're going night-night.

Brendan Schaub 1:08 Oh, Joe, you pr- if you knew, I know you can't probably talk about it, but do you see Ilia's tweet where he's like, "I'm gonna have big news, you guys aren't expecting it."

Joe Rogan 1:15 Yeah, I don't know the news.

Brendan Schaub 1:17 You have no clue?

Joe Rogan 1:17 No, I don't know. If I had a guess, he's probably fighting a top contender at 55. I don't think he's going-

Brendan Schaub 1:22 But that wouldn't be unexpected. You know what I'm saying? He's like, "You won't see this coming." So-

Joe Rogan 1:26 Hmm.

Brendan Schaub 1:26 ... it's not Makhachev 'cause we all assumed that. Makhachev's not fighting in Makhachev's going up to 70.

Joe Rogan 1:31 Uh, be- unexpected-

Brendan Schaub 1:32 Ilia's walking around at 186.

Joe Rogan 1:34 Yeah, he's big, man.

Brendan Schaub 1:35 Conor?

Joe Rogan 1:36 That's crazy. Conor would have to be in the testing pool for a long time. He's not in the testing pool.

Brendan Schaub 1:41 Oh, don't be a hater. Don't be a hater. Isn't he doing bare knuckle, Conor?

Joe Rogan 1:43 Well, he's running bare knuckle. He's like one of the- one of the owners.

Brendan Schaub 1:46 He's one of the owners.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 1:46 Oh, so he's not gonna fight.

Joe Rogan 1:47 No, he may.

Brendan Schaub 1:48 He might.

Joe Rogan 1:48 You know, get them, get enough of the fucking marching powder.

Brendan Schaub 1:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:52 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 1:52 Hello there, fucking dude.

Joe Rogan 1:54 He's also running for President.

Brendan Schaub 1:55 I might fucking fight bare knuckle.

Joe Rogan 1:57 He might, he might. I mean, I could see him doing it.

Brendan Schaub 1:59 That would blow bare knuckle right through the stratosphere.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Oh, yeah. I mean they'd have to pay him.

Brendan Schaub 2:04 That would be huge.

Joe Rogan 2:04 They'd have to pay him.

Brendan Schaub 2:05 Him verse Jeremy Stephens?

Joe Rogan 2:07 Oh, my goodness. Jeremy would have to win a couple more times. But Jeremy's back in the UFC again.

Brendan Schaub 2:11 No, no, Jeremy's undefeated in bare knuckle.

Joe Rogan 2:12 El Matador has been my... Oh, he's changed as his nickname.

Brendan Schaub 2:15 But look-

Joe Rogan 2:15 He's got a new identity.

Brendan Schaub 2:16 What?

Joe Rogan 2:17 When we announce it, you won't believe it. Get ready.

Brendan Schaub 2:19 See, when you say, "You won't believe it," you gotta come with some shit now.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Mm-hmm. Yeah, he got it, but that was a while ago. That's March 6th, you know. What is today? Today's the 22nd.

Brendan Schaub 2:26 But that's the UFC being like, "Don't announce it yet."

Joe Rogan 2:28 Yeah, I don't know. You know? I don't know. Like, if I... A perfect matchup is Gaethje.

Brendan Schaub 2:35 I think Charles Oliveira.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Oh, that's a, that's a great-

Brendan Schaub 2:37 That's a motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 2:38 That's a great matchup.

Brendan Schaub 2:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:40 That's a great matchup.

Brendan Schaub 2:40 And now remember, he tweeted that before Gaethje's fight.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Right.

Brendan Schaub 2:43 So it's, I don't think it's Gaethje. Look at that cut.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Oh, right.

Brendan Schaub 2:45 Oh, they're gonna stop this end.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Oh, man. Oh, that's a nasty cut.

Brendan Schaub 2:47 Horrible place too.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Oh, boy. But this is the last round.

Eddie Bravo 2:50 I think the fight-

Joe Rogan 2:50 I think the fight's over.

Eddie Bravo 2:51 ... it might be over, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah, it's over.

Brendan Schaub 2:53 Oh, there you go. Um, Dustin Poirier? No, uh, Dustin's fighting Max.

Joe Rogan 2:59 He is?

Brendan Schaub 3:00 I think so, for the BMF shit.

Joe Rogan 3:02 Really?

Brendan Schaub 3:02 I think. Double check that, Jimmy.

Joe Rogan 3:03 That's a great fight too.

Brendan Schaub 3:05 I'm crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:06 The third go around.

Brendan Schaub 3:07 At 55.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 3:08 And it's Max proper... See, I think Max should fight more at 55. I didn't like him going back to 45.

Joe Rogan 3:14 100%. I think it's too much of a stroke. He, he got pretty big when he got up to fight Gaethje. He put the weight on right.

Brendan Schaub 3:18 He looked fantastic.

Joe Rogan 3:19 He looked fantastic.

Brendan Schaub 3:19 And Pe- no, we all remember the knocking of Gaethje in the last seconds there, but he was molly whopping him before that.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Yeah, he was beating his ass. And it all started off with that jump spinning back kick to the face in the first round.

Brendan Schaub 3:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Fucked up Gaethje's already fixed nose.

Brendan Schaub 3:31 So that Max Holloway, the true Max Holloway at 55?

Joe Rogan 3:34 Uh-huh.

Brendan Schaub 3:34 Versus fucking Dustin for Dustin's last fight in New Orleans?

Joe Rogan 3:38 Sure.

Brendan Schaub 3:38 Take my money.

Joe Rogan 3:39 The thing is, you gotta wonder, like, how much did that Ilia Topuria knockout take out of Max?

Brendan Schaub 3:43 True.

Joe Rogan 3:43 'Cause that was a beating.

Brendan Schaub 3:45 True.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Ilia's just so fucking dangerous. He's so technical. Like his striking, the way he's like bobbing in and moving. He's so comfortable with his head movement. You can see he's like a step ahead of everybody.

Brendan Schaub 3:56 He's good at everything.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Everything.

Brendan Schaub 3:57 And then people are like, "Oh, he's too small for 55." I'm like, "He's actually... That, that narrative don't work. He's a big fucking boy."

Joe Rogan 4:03 Well, I think the 45 pound cut is... Look, man, they should all stop cutting weight. That's the reality. Re- cutting weight is bullshit. It's terrible for you. They need more weight classes and they need to stop cutting weight. They need to figure out a way to check hydration levels and, and put people in a weight class and say, "This weight."

Brendan Schaub 4:19 Do they still do that in one? They do, they have some kind of-

Eddie Bravo 4:22 I don't think typically. I, who knows?

Brendan Schaub 4:23 One, one's backed off MMA. Like they have a big Muay Thai fight tonight.

Eddie Bravo 4:27 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 4:27 They backed off MMA, really?

Brendan Schaub 4:28 Yeah, they're really focused on kickboxing Muay Thai.

Joe Rogan 4:31 I think in Asia, that gets a lot of numbers.

Brendan Schaub 4:33 Big time.

Joe Rogan 4:34 And they put on fucking shows, man.

Brendan Schaub 4:36 Yeah, there's a huge-

Joe Rogan 4:37 They're kickboxing.

Brendan Schaub 4:37 There's a huge one tonight. Huge one.

Joe Rogan 4:38 They're... Kickboxing and Muay Thai fights, I think the UFC fucked up when they went with slap fighting. I've been telling them forever, "You guys should get into kickboxing." If you only like standup fights, there's... It's not like the old days of kickboxing where they were boring.

Brendan Schaub 4:53 No.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Like PK, karate.

Brendan Schaub 4:54 There's characters, man.

Joe Rogan 4:55 And the knockouts are fucking crazy.

Brendan Schaub 4:58 Also, all your champs are coming from kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 5:00 Alex, Izzy, like you get some monsters.

Joe Rogan 5:02 But kickboxing with MMA gloves in a cage would be giant with the UFC.

Brendan Schaub 5:07 It would be dope.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Just have a striking only segment of the UFC.

Brendan Schaub 5:11 And Glory's coming back. Glory's doing a heavyweight competition soon.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Glory's got some elite fighters, man. I watch Glory all the time.

Brendan Schaub 5:17 I love it.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Th- it's fucking exciting, but nobody's watching it. Nobody knows who these people are.

Brendan Schaub 5:21 You just gotta educate the crowd.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Right.

Brendan Schaub 5:22 Put the same amount of resources you did in the slap fight-

Joe Rogan 5:26 Right.

Brendan Schaub 5:26 ... into kickboxing and we're cooking.

Joe Rogan 5:28 It's huge. Right. And it makes sense.

Brendan Schaub 5:29 'Cause they're doing it with jiu-jitsu.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Right, right.

Brendan Schaub 5:31 They're doing what j- they put-

Joe Rogan 5:32 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 5:32 ... how many millions of dollars in jiu-jitsu?

Joe Rogan 5:34 Right.

Brendan Schaub 5:34 And they even have more of a, a budget for it.

Joe Rogan 5:36 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 5:37 And a, a big, a lot of Eddie, you know, they put a lot of it in jiu-jitsu.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Yeah. Mikey Musumeci.

Eddie Bravo 5:41 (laughs) A lot of it is not mine.

Brendan Schaub 5:43 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 5:43 I wish it was.

Brendan Schaub 5:44 With UFC fight... No, with UFC fight... No, I'm saying as far as making it popular.

Joe Rogan 5:47 UFC influence. Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 5:48 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 5:48 Like EFI, all that shit. Like that's... You were the one, you know, I know we're boys, but you were really the one that navigated all that. With Fight Pass? That was huge.

Joe Rogan 5:55 Yeah, it was a big deal. Having the UFC get involved heavily in jiu-jitsu is huge. Are you still doing stuff with them?... yeah, yeah. I have a great relationship with them. I think they're trying to put together some kind of, like, a tough show now, like an Ultimate Fighter show-

Brendan Schaub 6:09 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 6:09 ... for grappling. Which would be, which would be cool because then you can, like, build a star from scratch.

Brendan Schaub 6:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:14 Um, because-

Brendan Schaub 6:14 And get to know the guys.

Joe Rogan 6:15 Exactly, yeah. You can get people emotionally involved then.

Brendan Schaub 6:18 'Cause they, 'cause they-

Joe Rogan 6:19 Their character.

Brendan Schaub 6:19 ... they exclusively signed Mikey, Mousasi, right?

Joe Rogan 6:21 Yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 6:22 Boy, it's hard to get people to watch those reality shows these days. I think people kind of burned out on reality shows.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 6:26 You know DC and Chael are shooting one right now.

Joe Rogan 6:29 They're shooting The Ultimate Fighter.

Brendan Schaub 6:30 They gotta give up on that, bro. And that, listen, where do you watch that?

Joe Rogan 6:32 And that's like season 90. Uh, I don't know Where you watch it at?

Brendan Schaub 6:34 Fi- or, uh, it's on ESPN+, I think.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Is it? I haven't watched it in forever.

Brendan Schaub 6:39 No one does.

Joe Rogan 6:40 I watch the finals. I watch the finals to see how good the guys are who win.

Brendan Schaub 6:42 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 6:43 You know, and see where they're at. You know, I watch Dana White's Contender Series probably more.

Brendan Schaub 6:47 That's the best thing in combat sports.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Fucking phenomenal.

Brendan Schaub 6:49 As far as, like, talent, like the, the, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Because they're super hyped, they have insane motivation, they have this unbelievable opportunity if they do that, they skyrocket into the UFC.

Brendan Schaub 6:59 And, and it's not like The Ultimate Fighter, like, where you can win based off grappling and, you know, just hold guys down, then you become champion, you get a UFC contract.

Joe Rogan 7:06 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 7:06 C- Dana White Contender Series, there's dudes who win and he's like, "Nah, not exciting enough."

Joe Rogan 7:10 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 7:11 So dudes go for broke, dude.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 7:13 Suga Sean came from there.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 7:15 I mean, there's so many champs.

Joe Rogan 7:15 A lot of people came from there.

Brendan Schaub 7:17 A lot of people, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:17 Jamahal Hill, Jamahal Hill.

Gordon Ryan 7:17 Is it illegal to have a, a finish bonus in, in the UFC? Like, you get paid whatever, uh, $80,000 to show, $80,000 to win, and then another $80,000-

Brendan Schaub 7:29 $50,000?

Gordon Ryan 7:29 ... if you finish the fight.

Brendan Schaub 7:30 It's not illegal.

Gordon Ryan 7:31 I mean, is that illegal?

Joe Rogan 7:31 No.

Brendan Schaub 7:32 No.

Gordon Ryan 7:32 No?

Joe Rogan 7:32 No, definitely not illegal, no.

Brendan Schaub 7:34 They do it now where, like, performance bonuses-

Joe Rogan 7:35 It would, it would help a little bit, I think.

Gordon Ryan 7:36 Now it's a bonus point.

Joe Rogan 7:36 Yeah, it would help a little bit.

Gordon Ryan 7:38 Or, or, or go gangster and go, you know, you have show money and then you get extra money, like, uh, you know, double, but you have to knock them out or submit them.

Brendan Schaub 7:46 See, I'm in favor of that.

Gordon Ryan 7:47 Otherwise you just get your show money.

Brendan Schaub 7:48 UFL does that.

Joe Rogan 7:49 Yeah?

Brendan Schaub 7:49 I know everyone says, UFL does that.

Gordon Ryan 7:51 Oh, really?

Brendan Schaub 7:51 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 7:51 Okay, I think that's a good idea.

Joe Rogan 7:53 Wait, what's UFL now?

Brendan Schaub 7:54 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 7:55 PFL?

Brendan Schaub 7:56 No, UFL.

Joe Rogan 7:56 What's UFL?

Brendan Schaub 7:57 Uh, UFL is where, like, Tony Ferguson and Dillon Danis is fighting.

Joe Rogan 8:00 But I thought that was GFL.

Brendan Schaub 8:03 Yeah, GFL.

Joe Rogan 8:03 GFL, okay, okay, okay.

Gordon Ryan 8:04 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 8:05 Yeah, GFL, sorry. Yeah, there's PFL, there's GFL, UFL is something else.

Joe Rogan 8:08 But we were talking about-

Gordon Ryan 8:09 GFL does that.

Joe Rogan 8:10 ... the one fight that I'm interested in.

Brendan Schaub 8:11 Yoel Romero?

Joe Rogan 8:12 And Mousasi.

Brendan Schaub 8:12 That's a great fight.

Joe Rogan 8:13 That's a great fight. That's-

Brendan Schaub 8:14 Great fight.

Joe Rogan 8:14 ... one fight that GFL is putting together, I'm like, "Ooh, I'll watch that."

Gordon Ryan 8:18 How old are they? Are they both over 40?

Joe Rogan 8:19 100. They're 100 years old. Yeah, both 100.

Gordon Ryan 8:21 Yoel's 79 years old, dude.

Joe Rogan 8:24 (laughs) I don't care, he looks fucking amazing.

Brendan Schaub 8:26 Well, he's fighting bare knuckle-

Joe Rogan 8:28 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 8:28 ... too. Like, he, he, I saw some promo, some giant dude he's fighting.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Did you see him box that slap fight guy?

Brendan Schaub 8:34 Bro, that slap fight guy, when he jumped up in the air I was like, "Oh, I fucked up."

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs) He just-

Brendan Schaub 8:38 I fucked up.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Yoel just fucking just jumped up in the air for no reason.

Brendan Schaub 8:41 Like an alien.

Joe Rogan 8:41 Right before, right before he decided to beat his ass, he just jumped straight up in the air and just-

Brendan Schaub 8:46 And just some sloppy white guy, you see him go, "Oh, fuck."

Joe Rogan 8:47 ... step forward.

Brendan Schaub 8:49 If the UFC, if the UFC-

Joe Rogan 8:50 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 8:51 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 8:52 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 8:52 If the UFC does kickboxing they might as well just come out with a bang and go bare knuckle kickboxing, why not?

Joe Rogan 8:57 It's not a bad idea.

Brendan Schaub 8:58 Take my money, yeah.

Gordon Ryan 8:59 And that'll, that'll, you know, that'll get people to check it out-

Joe Rogan 9:02 But is it bare knuckles? Could you do it separate from UFC events or would you do it, like, with, like do it like WON where you have MMA fights and kickboxing-

Gordon Ryan 9:09 Mix it up.

Joe Rogan 9:10 ... events on the same card.

Gordon Ryan 9:10 I think you could do whatever you wanted but you could, definitely could have a standup only show and it would be huge.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 9:15 Where they break them up, they clinch against the cage, you know, you don't allow them to clinch. Do it just like kickboxing does, separate them, you know, like there's no ground fighting at all-

Joe Rogan 9:24 I think that's going backwards, to tell you the truth.

Gordon Ryan 9:25 Really? You think they should go clinch? We, we had kickboxing, no one watched it. We, we already had it and no one... But when the UFC came out, people, all of a sudden people were into, uh, martial arts again. And if we go, that's going ba- I think-

Joe Rogan 9:37 I don't necessarily-

Gordon Ryan 9:38 Going backwards is not good.

Joe Rogan 9:38 I see what you're saying but look, the UFC does grappling events, right? The grappling events are pure grappling. Why not do pure striking events too and then-

Gordon Ryan 9:45 Well-

Joe Rogan 9:45 MMA is always the best.

Gordon Ryan 9:47 Well, it was, when the UFC blew up, it was UFC 2, correct?

Joe Rogan 9:51 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 9:51 Nobody watched UFC 1, they didn't know if it was real, there was no B roll.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Right.

Gordon Ryan 9:55 Everyone watched UFC 2. And did they get blown away and get hooked by it, uh, because of the striking or because of the jujitsu?

Joe Rogan 10:04 Well, it was Hoyst.

Gordon Ryan 10:05 It was because-

Joe Rogan 10:05 It was Hoyst.

Gordon Ryan 10:06 It was the jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 10:07 Because people didn't realize that you could fight on the ground. I thought fighting on the ground was, was for pussies.

Brendan Schaub 10:11 But then it went mainstream for TUF 1, with standup, with Stephen and Forrest.

Joe Rogan 10:16 But listen, let's imagine, uh, that Al... Ankalaev and Pereira fight an only kickboxing fight. Are you telling me that's going to be boring?

Gordon Ryan 10:26 That's glory.

Joe Rogan 10:26 That would be fucking insane.

Gordon Ryan 10:27 Yeah, they already have that.

Joe Rogan 10:28 Kickboxing with little gloves.

Gordon Ryan 10:29 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:30 With MMA gloves.

Gordon Ryan 10:30 If they're gonna do it, I'd go bare knuckle if it was up to me.

Joe Rogan 10:33 'Cause the thing about bare knuckle though is your face gets obliterated.

Brendan Schaub 10:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:36 The slices and cuts-

Gordon Ryan 10:38 Yeah, people will watch that. People wanna see the blood.

Joe Rogan 10:40 The hands and the wrists.

Brendan Schaub 10:40 Hands break.

Gordon Ryan 10:41 People wanna see that shit.

Joe Rogan 10:42 I agree.

Brendan Schaub 10:42 And I, I commentate for, I commentate for Gamebred, where it's bare knuckle MMA, and seen JDS and Alan Belcher and Roy, they don't punch the same.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Right.

Brendan Schaub 10:52 They're a little cautious because they don't want to break their hand.

Gordon Ryan 10:54 It's more realistic.

Brendan Schaub 10:54 So it's not the same.

Joe Rogan 10:55 It's more realistic, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 10:56 It, it is, it's just a different product.

Joe Rogan 10:59 What happened? It starts in an hour. But wait a minute, it's not Hiltan?

Brendan Schaub 11:03 No, I know-

Joe Rogan 11:04 Oh, this is the bare knuckle one?

Brendan Schaub 11:04 This is The Dirty Boxing and shit.

Joe Rogan 11:06 Oh, my goodness.

Brendan Schaub 11:07 That's our boy, Mike Perry's shit. Watch that too.

Gordon Ryan 11:10 Is it Bare Knuckle?

Joe Rogan 11:10 Is this Bare Knuckle, Dirty Boxing?

Brendan Schaub 11:11 It's Bare Knuckle.

Joe Rogan 11:12 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 11:12 And this, this Hiltan is tall with a giant jawline.

Gordon Ryan 11:16 Arlovski fights also.

Joe Rogan 11:16 This starts in an hour?

Gordon Ryan 11:17 Yeah, Arlovski fights.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Well, fuckin' throw that bitch on.

Brendan Schaub 11:20 Pick him up.

Joe Rogan 11:21 Let's go, let's go.

Brendan Schaub 11:23 Isn't that crazy?

Joe Rogan 11:24 Arlovski, man.

Brendan Schaub 11:24 Is that Dumb and Dumber?

Joe Rogan 11:25 Who takes a licking and keeps on ticking better than Andrei Arlovski?

Brendan Schaub 11:28 Tell me about it.

Joe Rogan 11:29 That dude is still around. He was the UFC champion in 2005, son.

Brendan Schaub 11:34 Wild, dude.

Joe Rogan 11:35 2005, that's 20 fucking years ago of hardcore combat sports in MMA. That is nuts.

Brendan Schaub 11:41 Dude, and remember how hard it was for the UFC even to, uh, to cut him because they kept giving him these young lions and he kept beating them.

Joe Rogan 11:46 Yeah, he beats a lot of guys, man.

Brendan Schaub 11:47 They kept were like, "Dude, just get out of here." He's like, "No, man."

Joe Rogan 11:49 He's such a veteran. He's such a veteran.

Brendan Schaub 11:51 He's so savvy, he sees everything coming.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Oh, yeah, man. He's been, been there, done that forever. Jan Blachowicz. So you were saying that Blachowicz got both of his shoulders reconstructed?

Brendan Schaub 12:00 Both of them. Been out two years. One shoulder's bad enough-

Joe Rogan 12:04 Nice.

Brendan Schaub 12:04 ... but what's impressive about them is he was fighting with bad shoulders when he beat all these boys.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Really?

Brendan Schaub 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:10 I mean, how bad were they? Shoulders are tough.

Brendan Schaub 12:12 They get worse?

Joe Rogan 12:14 It's like the worst injury.

Brendan Schaub 12:15 Yeah, do they get-

Joe Rogan 12:15 It's a bad injury because it's such a complicated joint.

Brendan Schaub 12:17 Yep, I had...

Joe Rogan 12:18 ... full blown surgery. It was, uh-

Brendan Schaub 12:20 How's it now?

Joe Rogan 12:21 Uh, it's good now.

Brendan Schaub 12:22 Stem cells? How's your back? Your lower back?

Joe Rogan 12:25 My lower back's good, man. I got into that Joe Hi- Hip and Steel stretching. Remember I told you about that?

Brendan Schaub 12:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:29 That, that's huge. I do that every day.

Brendan Schaub 12:31 That changed everything for you?

Joe Rogan 12:33 Uh, it, it makes it so that I don't need surgery, 'cause I'm supposed to go back for more back surgery.

Brendan Schaub 12:37 Really?

Joe Rogan 12:37 I was supposed to do that two years ago.

Brendan Schaub 12:39 For another disc?

Joe Rogan 12:40 Yeah, another one. But, uh, I'm delaying that as long as possible and s- you know, doing these stretches, man. It takes about an hour and a half to do these stretches every day, but it makes it manageable where I could, uh, you know, tie my shoelaces without pain, you know?

Brendan Schaub 12:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:55 So-

Brendan Schaub 12:55 Lower backs are a motherfucker, man.

Joe Rogan 12:58 Yeah, yeah. So-

Brendan Schaub 12:59 Whatever you can do to avoid surgery, man. There's like, there's enough shit out there.

Joe Rogan 13:02 It's amazing though. Look at Yan. "First shoulder operated on, unfortunately, there's too much work to do with one, so they could fix both at once. Another surgery soon." So what year, when is this, Jamie?

Brendan Schaub 13:10 Two years ago.

Joe Rogan 13:11 So it's two years ago. Wow.

Brendan Schaub 13:12 Him fighting two years.

Joe Rogan 13:13 That's crazy. And, you know, no peptides, no nothing, 'cause everybody is in this, you know, goofy world where you're not allowed to take stuff like BPC 157.

Brendan Schaub 13:25 So stupid.

Joe Rogan 13:25 That's illegal?

Brendan Schaub 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 13:27 Especially after surgery.

Joe Rogan 13:28 It sucks. I didn't know that. "Heir last three months, two months, started losing my power and my strength. 40% goes. I tried doing something with physiotherapy and doctors to try to fix it, but every training was worse." Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 13:37 Now, remember, too, he's also 42 years old.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, that's old, you know? It's less old for the bigger guys, but it's still old.

Brendan Schaub 13:47 42 is for- I mean, I'm 42.

Joe Rogan 13:48 Like, yeah.

Guest 13:48 I'm sure he's good. Two shoulders at 42 is a hard-

Brendan Schaub 13:51 Yeah.

Guest 13:52 ... hard things to come back from.

Joe Rogan 13:53 And Karlis Ahlberg's a motherfucker. He's so fast and tall. He's so long.

Brendan Schaub 13:59 It's such good matchmaking, cause Karlis Ahlberg, e- even though they think, you know, prospect, I think he's 34, 35.

Joe Rogan 14:06 Mm-hmm.

Brendan Schaub 14:06 But it's a ... he hasn't really beat anybody of note. Like, beat-

Joe Rogan 14:10 And then there's also-

Brendan Schaub 14:10 ... like Ozdemir, but he hasn't really beat any of the top guys to get to this. So him versus Yan's fun.

Joe Rogan 14:16 And there's also his first fight. Like, his first fight with Kennedy, Kennedy and Zichichu?

Brendan Schaub 14:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:20 Who, who beat him down.

Brendan Schaub 14:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Like, he was beating Kennedy up and then he gassed out.

Brendan Schaub 14:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:24 And Kennedy fucked him up.

Brendan Schaub 14:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:25 Like, that's a, that's a big fight because he kind of folded-

Brendan Schaub 14:28 Yep.

Joe Rogan 14:28 ... down the stretch. Over, you know, over-amped in the beginning of the fight, burned off too much fuel.

Brendan Schaub 14:33 But just experience.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Experience, but-

Brendan Schaub 14:35 It's, it's like Sean Brady in the main event. Like, when they gave him Belal, he just wasn't ready.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Right.

Brendan Schaub 14:39 And then loses that and then goes on a tear.

Joe Rogan 14:41 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 14:42 And like, now he's ready. Now he's ready.

Joe Rogan 14:44 Yeah. Well, he started-

Brendan Schaub 14:45 Sometimes it takes that.

Joe Rogan 14:45 ... had mental coaching and shit too-

Brendan Schaub 14:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:47 ... which I think is important.

Brendan Schaub 14:48 Yep. How are your shoulders?

Joe Rogan 14:49 Good.

Brendan Schaub 14:49 Good?

Joe Rogan 14:50 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 14:50 And yours? Good shoulders? Good shoulders. I tore my bicep, uh, like a month ago probably. But I'm on all sorts of shit.

Joe Rogan 14:58 How bad is it?

Brendan Schaub 14:58 It looks weird. You can see it.

Joe Rogan 15:00 Did you get it fixed or no?

Brendan Schaub 15:01 Nah, man.

Joe Rogan 15:02 You don't have to get it fixed? Is it a small tear?

Brendan Schaub 15:04 Yeah, it's a small tear.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Oh, okay.

Brendan Schaub 15:05 I've just been injecting fucking peptide-

Joe Rogan 15:07 BPC?

Brendan Schaub 15:08 You name-

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 15:08 ... something. Just fucking... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:09 Oh, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 15:10 Dude, fucking back to it.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Bro, BPC 157 with the TB 500 is amazing.

Brendan Schaub 15:15 The best.

Joe Rogan 15:16 Amazing.

Brendan Schaub 15:17 I started taking, uh, blue scorpion venom shit.

Joe Rogan 15:19 What?

Brendan Schaub 15:20 Yeah, some scorpion venom.

Joe Rogan 15:21 What, what are you doing?

Brendan Schaub 15:21 Some ve-... I don't know, name something.

Joe Rogan 15:23 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 15:23 (laughs) Anything someone offers me, I'm like, "I'll try it out."

Guest 15:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:26 Like, the name of... The brand name is Venom or actual venom?

Brendan Schaub 15:29 It's Blue Venom. They take venom and, and then put peptides with it.

Joe Rogan 15:32 From who? Like snake? What?

Brendan Schaub 15:33 From, from a fucking scorpion.

Joe Rogan 15:35 Oh, shit. (laughs)

Guest 15:35 What?

Joe Rogan 15:35 What does that do for you?

Brendan Schaub 15:37 Uh, apparently it helps with healing.

Joe Rogan 15:39 They say bee stings cures arthritis.

Brendan Schaub 15:42 Sure. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:42 When people get bee stings.

Brendan Schaub 15:44 Now you don't have it in your joints anymore?

Joe Rogan 15:45 Like, they have like, serious arthritis, they get stung all over their fucking hands and it helps them. Blue scorpion venom. What the hell, dude?

Guest 15:51 That's sick. Name it, at least.

Brendan Schaub 15:51 Yeah, they milk scorpions, dog.

Guest 15:53 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 15:53 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 15:53 It reminds me of, uh, shark cartilages.

Brendan Schaub 15:55 Scorpion jizz. Dude, I couldn't lift three weeks ago. I fucking... who knows?

Joe Rogan 15:58 Blue scorpion did it for you?

Brendan Schaub 15:59 I don't know.

Guest 16:00 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:01 That's the thing. I take so much shit, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:04 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:04 Something's working. Something's working, dude.

Joe Rogan 16:07 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:07 I got back on the bench last week and was n- n- no problems.

Joe Rogan 16:10 What is the scorpion stuff supposed to do?

Brendan Schaub 16:12 It helps with healing. Like, like, there's all sorts of fucking history on it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:16 Really?

Brendan Schaub 16:16 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Blue scor- do you inject it or you take it, uh-

Brendan Schaub 16:19 No, it's a serum.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Oh, 'cause you dr- put it on the muscle, you put it under your tongue? Like, what do you do?

Brendan Schaub 16:23 No, yeah, you put it under your tongue.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Oh.

Brendan Schaub 16:25 E- every morning, every night.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Bro.

Brendan Schaub 16:27 And I'm like, "How much does it take? I'll take double and fuckin'..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:31 (laughs) Is there a side effect to it?

Brendan Schaub 16:32 No, I feel yeah, being awesome.

Joe Rogan 16:34 You get poisoned? (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:34 Being, feeling healthy.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Does it make you feel great?

Brendan Schaub 16:37 Oh, yeah. I feel great.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Wow. But you're doing a lot of stuff. That's hard to know-

Brendan Schaub 16:40 That, that's the thing, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:41 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 16:41 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:42 That's always a problem.

Brendan Schaub 16:42 And like, and then I stumbled upon, uh, what was it? Methanol Blue?

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 16:45 Do you take methanol blue?

Joe Rogan 16:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brendan Schaub 16:47 Wait, is that legit?

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah, it's um-

Brendan Schaub 16:48 I keep seeing stuff about it.

Joe Rogan 16:50 ... that's not how you say it. What is the actual-

Brendan Schaub 16:51 Methylene?

Joe Rogan 16:52 Methylene.

Brendan Schaub 16:53 Meth...

Joe Rogan 16:53 Methylene.

Brendan Schaub 16:53 Methylene.

Joe Rogan 16:54 Methylene.

Brendan Schaub 16:54 Dude, I-

Joe Rogan 16:54 Yeah, I take it.

Brendan Schaub 16:54 It's on me all, all the time.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Yeah, I take... (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 16:56 Do you want some, Gordon?

Guest 16:58 What is it?

Joe Rogan 16:58 Yeah, I take it.

Brendan Schaub 16:59 It's methyl... It's, it's like a, what do we say? Nootropic? Like energy.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Well, it's basically an MAO inhibitor and it also has something that does something for your mitochondria. I'm not the guy to describe it, but Gary Brecka told me to take it and quite a few other people have told me to take it.

Brendan Schaub 17:16 Yeah, I just stumbled... 'cause I take creatine for neurological reasons and for muscle recovery.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 17:22 And then I'm taking so many nootropics, I, I feel like I've leveled out and then someone recommended this, this methanol blue.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Methylene.

Brendan Schaub 17:30 Methylene blue.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Yeah, and that took you to another level?

Brendan Schaub 17:32 Bro. Yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 17:33 Let's go.

Brendan Schaub 17:34 ... three or four times a day, just-

Joe Rogan 17:35 Let's go. Three or four times a day?

Brendan Schaub 17:37 Yeah, I don't know what-

Joe Rogan 17:37 I think you're only supposed to do it one a day.

Brendan Schaub 17:39 Bro.

Joe Rogan 17:39 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 17:40 What are we doing, bro?

Guest 17:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:42 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 17:42 I got too much shit to get done, dog. Yeah, this one's great from Diesel Subs.

Joe Rogan 17:47 You're like a fucking... (laughs) You're like a test rat.

Brendan Schaub 17:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:49 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 17:50 Yeah. Yeah. When they go, "Does it work?" I go, "I think so."

Joe Rogan 17:52 Probably.

Brendan Schaub 17:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Some, something's working.

Guest 17:54 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 17:54 One of em's gonna work.

Joe Rogan 17:55 The full combo's working.

Brendan Schaub 17:56 One of them's gonna work.

Joe Rogan 17:57 Now with the UFC being involved in grappling, they're not thinking about drug testing anybody, are they?

Guest 18:03 I don't think so. Um, as far as I know, no, because none of the other organizations test.

Joe Rogan 18:08 Right.

Guest 18:08 So it's like, unless you're gonna sign... Which is starting to happen now, 'cause there's a little bit more money.

Brendan Schaub 18:12 IBJJF tests.

Guest 18:14 Yeah, I bet that's it.

Brendan Schaub 18:15 Yeah, okay.

Guest 18:16 Yeah, that's it. Um, you know, they're, they're starting to sign people exclusive now, 'cause there's a little bit more money.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Yeah.

Guest 18:22 But unless you're gonna test acro- unless every organization is gonna test...... and it doesn't make sense, because then you have the guys-

18:27 It sounds silly. Right.

18:28 ... who are, who, guys who are tested in the UFC who are fighting on Flo or at ONE or other events who are fighting guys who are juiced anyway.

18:34 Right.

18:34 So, the whole reason to have testing is to have guys who are not on steroids compete against one another. That's not really-

18:39 Right. But if they came up with an organization that came up with the most money and said, "But here's the rules. We're gonna go USADA."

18:46 Yeah.

18:46 Yeah.

18:46 That would, that would work.

18:47 But don't.

18:47 But the problem is, is that you need a business model where you can make that amount of money back.

18:51 Right. Right.

18:52 Like, just to, just to pay for testing, like, most of the guys-

18:55 So expensive.

18:55 ... that are competing on, like, the undercard or, like, not even the main event guys, you'd actually be losing money testing-

19:01 Yeah.

19:01 ... them regularly.

19:02 Hmm. Also, it dulls down the sport. But also, it, when, when the UFC signs, uh, a jiu-jit, like, say, Mikey Musumeci, is it exclusive? Can he not compete anywhere else?

19:12 Um, so usually when they do exclusive, I don't know what his contract is obviously, but, uh, usually they're, usually it's exclusive, but they have cutouts for things like ADCC or, like, big world championships. Otherwise, it's hard to sign the guys completely exclusive.

19:24 That's what I was gonna say. You'd have to pay him a salary.

19:25 Like, for example, if, if UFC signed Mikey exclusive, and then he wanted to do ADCC but it's on Flo, like, a lot of times the guys have cutouts for that, like big world championship-

19:36 That makes sense.

19:36 ... tournaments.

19:37 That's cool.

19:37 'Cause it helps everybody.

19:38 Yeah, yeah.

19:38 Like, it's brilliant. Yeah, so.

19:38 Yeah, it's cool. Just builds a brand. You don't wanna be stuck there if- Yeah. ... you're not getting enough competition.

19:41 But, like, a guy for, a guy exclusive to Flo or to UFC wouldn't be able to compete for, like, Flo grappling or ONE normally.

19:48 Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So is ONE still doing a lot of grappling? I know they got the Ruotolos and- Ruotolos. Mikey's gone. I think Kade's doing MMA now. Really? Kade, yeah, he's two and O. Oh, okay.

19:59 Yeah.

19:59 He looks like a demon out there. Oh.

20:01 It's just-

20:01 Kade looks like a savage. His grappling is so much better- I love this guy's- ... than everybody else's. He's fucking people up striking, though.

20:05 Especially in Asia.

20:05 Yeah. Right, right, yeah. Yeah. It's like, having a guy like that, that's the, that elite with grappling and also young enough to learn striking and get r- and just wild. Dude, they gave- Wild, aggressive dudes. Great work ethic. They gave- Yeah. ... him, like, a tough matchup to his second fight in ONE Championship, like a tough fucking wrestler. He fucking annihilated this dude. Mm-hmm. Is Garry Tonon still in ONE?

20:26 Uh, yeah. Yeah, he was, uh, his contract ended. He was doing some negotiations, but, um, as far as I know, I, I think he's going back to ONE, but I'm not 100%, 100% sure.

20:36 Be great to see him in the UFC. Jamie, can you bring up, the ONE champ-

20:38 I wanna see, I wanna see a fight too.

20:38 ONE championship has a big, uh, Muay Thai fight, like huge Muay Thai fight, like one of the biggest ever.

20:44 Oh, so-

Guest 20:44 I sent my boy to it. There it is. You wanna sync this? R0DE 10. First fight is right about to start, and we are ... Marc Goddard is waiting to kick it off. He's moving to the center of the octagon now. And he goes. And the time is 4:57, 4:56, 4:55, 4:54, 4:53. We're off. How do you say that dude's name? Shaari, Shararee? Shararee? Shararee? Shararee. This is in, uh, London? Yes, sir. Let's go. Tell me a- Which, which- Tell me a little bit about these guys. I, I don't know much. I didn't study this.

21:25 He's 12-3.

21:27 Brendan? I, I wish, I wish, uh- You don't know? Oh my God. No, I know some guys.

21:30 Featherweights.

21:31 No, I got some things. Who has he fought?

21:32 Eight, eight first round finishes.

21:35 That's- He ... That's really good. Um ... Man, Brendan got stomped. Yeah, he gets crispy after this. But what I was gonna say is I wish we were seeing Jon Jones-Aspinall in London. Yeah, that's what they should be seeing. But I think Jon's gonna hold out as long as he can to make the most money. And then he just- Which you can't be mad at, but also, you know Tom Aspinall? I think soon he'll, he'll be the interim champ for the longest ever, over 500 days. That's not good. No, that's kinda crazy. 500 days is kinda crazy. 500 days is wild. It's kinda crazy. And then- And, and then- And then Jon said he wants six months to train. Which is, uh, that's just negotiation tactics. Like, dude, he's been on your radar for three years. And you took two years to get ready for heavyweight. What are we doing? Yeah, but, I mean, Jon- You should also get your money. ... is so meticulous in his preparation. Like, you've worked with Jon. You trained with him when he was getting ready for- Yeah. ... Stipe.

22:20 Yeah, we did, uh, the first camp. I was with him for, like, a couple weeks, and then the, the, uh, and then S- Stipe got hurt. And then the second camp ... Oh.

22:29 Oh, here we go. Someone got hurt.

22:32 He dropped him. I didn't see with what, but he definitely dropped him.

22:37 So-

22:38 But yeah, the second camp I was with him for, like, a full, like, six or seven weeks. So that was a ...

22:44 And do, do you think Tom Aspinall is like, uh, let's, Jon's gonna get him down. If you got him down, Jon as far as beating Aspinall's guard, you think it'd be an issue for Jon at all?

22:52 Um, no. I think that, uh, I think Tom would probably be trying to stand up. Um, I don't ... And Tom also has pretty good, like, fast take-downs, so-

23:02 Yeah.

23:02 ... they could, they could both take one another down.

23:03 Yeah.

23:04 Um, but, uh, I, I don't think that Tom is gonna be able to, like, really s- do anything besides try to get up on Jon.

23:11 Yeah. Tryna get that mounted guillotine. 'Cause he, he's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a kid, you know? It's rare you have a big guy with good hips. Good dog fight, boom.

23:19 Yeah.

23:19 He's so fast too. Tom, yeah. Aspinall, like, as a heavyweight, there's no one-

23:23 Yeah.

23:23 ... like him. The, the only knock on we really haven't seen- Yeah, but decently. ... would just be his, his defense.

23:26 Yeah.

23:26 You know, his head exposed, his chin leaned forward.

23:29 So the one, uh, the one MMA fight I did see him lose, he got heel hooked, and it was a pretty shitty heel hook that he-

23:33 Mm-hmm.

23:33 ... that he tapped to, so ...

23:34 Aspinall?

23:35 Yeah.

23:36 When was that? I thought it was undefeated.

23:37 It was a long time ago. That was, that was a long time ago.

23:39 Oh, he's been before in the UFC? Oh, it was undefeated before he was in the UFC? Yeah. Oh, you got t- uh, heel hooked- Yeah. ... before the UFC?

23:42 Yeah.

23:43 Interesting. He's undefeated though.

23:44 It was a, and it was a, I mean, it was a long time ago. He's obviously gotten much better, but it was a pretty shitty heel hook.

23:49 No kidding. Was it an amateur fight or was it a pro fight?

23:52 It was a pro fight, I believe.

23:53 Here's something to think about.

23:54 Hmm.

23:54 Think if for whatever reason Jon decides he doesn't want to fight Aspinall. What the fuck do you do with Aspinall? Right, there's no one to compel him. The hea- the heavyweight division's never been worse. It's never been worse, yeah. It's awful. Yeah. Like, there's Ciryl Gane- Oh, triangle right here. Oh, look at this. They pull that head down. If he sticks to the head, just concentrates on the head, he might be able to get it.

24:15 If you would've asked me a few weeks ago, I would say have Alex move up, but Alex just lost.

24:19 Yeah. That was the bummer. I heard that- That was a bummer. ... Alex fought with a broke ... Here it is. Here's a heel hook.

24:26 Oh, it's actually a heel knee bar.

Gordon Ryan 24:29 So, here it is. Who's this guy?

Guest 24:31 So, you see, he- he just scoops the leg from half guard.

Eddie Bravo 24:34 Tom- Tom was whipping his ass.

Guest 24:36 And Tom turns away instead of trying to face him. So, it exposes the heel and it turns into a heel knee bar.

Gordon Ryan 24:41 Oh, weird.

Guest 24:43 It's like ... It's a heel hook, but it's a knee bar w- but with the heel hook gripping so he can't turn back into the lock.

Gordon Ryan 24:47 That dude's in some pub right now going, "I beat that guy."

Guest 24:50 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 24:50 "I beat the fucking champ. I beat the fucking champ." This guy keeps trying.

Guest 24:55 He's got to create an angle, huh? Now- now his shoulder's in.

Gordon Ryan 24:57 Well, he's got both arms under him. Yeah. He's gonna go with a dead orchard, right, Eddie? Doesn't work. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:06 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 25:07 Does it ever work in MMA? Has anybody pulled it off in MMA? Yeah, Elvis Sitosic.

Eddie Bravo 25:11 Oh, that's right.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Right.

Eddie Bravo 25:12 Old school.

Gordon Ryan 25:12 He was the first one.

Guest 25:13 That's right.

Gordon Ryan 25:13 That's when-

Joe Rogan 25:14 Elvis.

Gordon Ryan 25:14 No one- that's when no one really thought it was ... Like, no one really even noticed it. 'Cause you're taught, tr- you only triangle your legs when there's one arm in, one arm out. Not when there's two arms in.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Right.

Gordon Ryan 25:24 But his legs are so long, he arm barred Jeremy Horn. And then, when you look at it, you're like, "Yo. He has a... He's strangling his legs and he has both arms in. Whoa, that's kind of a freak thing."

Joe Rogan 25:34 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 25:35 And we just thought it was a freak thing. And then, um, uh, uh, Nathan Orchard and Brian Debs, two of my guys, they just started doing it all the time. They go, "Yeah, dude, we do this all the time." I'm like, "Really? You're doing triangle?" Like, you gotta have long legs.

Eddie Bravo 25:48 Mm-hmm.

Gordon Ryan 25:48 You gotta have long legs. If you have short legs, you gotta do a Mexican dead orchard. That's what I do. You gotta do a lot of extra labor.

Joe Rogan 25:55 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 25:55 There's a- there's a lot of extra stuff you gotta do to pull it off.

Joe Rogan 25:57 What's the Mexican dead orchard? How does it work?

Gordon Ryan 25:59 You gotta do a lot of stuff. You gotta go invisible collar, to muddy waters, and then Mexican dead. There's a lot of stuff. 'Cause if you have long hair, or long, long, uh, uh ... If you're a heavy metal dude.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Legs.

Gordon Ryan 26:08 If you have long legs, you can- and you're on the bottom, uh, depending on how you match up with the guy, he- he can get dead orchard. He could- you could triangle your legs with his arms in a perfect defensive position. And they get that ... A lot of times people get surprised. Like, "What the fuck happened?" I want ... How did he triangle his legs? Th- they don't understand but, if you have short legs and the guy's like this, or just regular legs, there's no way you're gonna be able to triangle your legs with both arms in.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Mm.

Gordon Ryan 26:32 You need one arm in, one arm out. So, with both arms in, the only way a Mexican or a Chinese guy could do a dead orchard is you gotta have this arm down, and this arm like this.

Eddie Bravo 26:44 Oh.

Gordon Ryan 26:44 Like this. Now, I can- now I can triangle my legs. You gotta do a lot of work. You gotta get the hand on the mat, and then you gotta get his elbow in. There's a lot of stuff. It's super complicated. Um, dead orchards are not the greatest thing for ... And you gotta be super flexible. Super flexible, and you gotta put a lot of time into it. But, if you have long legs, you should be doing dead orchards. It's the- by far the number one arm bar in the guard no gi, and there's not even a close second.

Joe Rogan 27:09 Really?

Gordon Ryan 27:10 There's a mi- ... There- I got ... One of my black belts has 84 dead orchards. And his student, who's a purple belt, has 34 dead orchards in competition.

Joe Rogan 27:17 Who- who has, uh, uh, that many orchards?

Gordon Ryan 27:19 Chris Vickers.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Wow.

Gordon Ryan 27:20 The 10th Planet, Walnut Creek.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Orchard king.

Eddie Bravo 27:21 That's crazy.

Gordon Ryan 27:22 And dead or- uh, uh, there's- they- they're- they happen all the goddamn time. Ben Eddie got, uh, uh, um, Wilson Reis in- in a combat jujitsu match. He got him in a dead orchard.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Wow.

Gordon Ryan 27:32 And Wilson Reis was a s- high level black belt.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 27:34 He just fought Mighty Mouse for the title a month before.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Hmm.

Gordon Ryan 27:38 That's high level shit.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 27:39 You know? But, um- you know, but for girls, girls proportionately have longer legs than guys, and more narrow shoulders. So, if you're a girl out there and you're fighting MMA, and you don't have a dead orchard in your game, you're missing out. You're missing out.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Hmm.

Gordon Ryan 27:53 Girl- girls can do dead orchards at a higher level or a higher rate than guys.

Joe Rogan 27:57 Who do you think-

Gordon Ryan 27:58 For sure.

Joe Rogan 27:58 ... who do you think-

Gordon Ryan 27:58 Just because of the body type.

Joe Rogan 27:59 Who do you think has the best guard in MMA? Is it Oliveira or Paul Craig?

Gordon Ryan 28:04 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:06 Paul Craig's got a pro- fucking pretty nasty guard.

Gordon Ryan 28:09 Paul Craig's so dangerous, Bo Nickal didn't even take him down.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Yeah. Right?

Gordon Ryan 28:12 He's got a big- There's so few fighters with dangerous guards in MMA.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Right.

Gordon Ryan 28:15 There's so few.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Fabricio was one.

Gordon Ryan 28:17 There's like three.

Eddie Bravo 28:18 Verdori is filthy.

Joe Rogan 28:19 Fabricio's- Fabricio Werdum is the overlooked GOAT heavyweight.

Gordon Ryan 28:23 I would say Paul Craig.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Yeah. Ankalaev and Jamahal Hill, he's got two world champions, uh, that arm barred both of them. Triangled them, arm barred them.

Gordon Ryan 28:32 Facts.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Very impressive.

Gordon Ryan 28:34 Try- well, you got Gunnar Nelson-

Joe Rogan 28:35 Broke Jamahal's arm. Remember, Jamahal's arm was flopping all over the place.

Gordon Ryan 28:38 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 28:38 And he's beating on him. That was crazy.

Gordon Ryan 28:39 As far as jujitsu wise, you got Gunnar Nelson on the card tonight. And then Sean Brady's no punk either.

Joe Rogan 28:43 Sean Brady's wicked.

Gordon Ryan 28:43 He's a black belt.

Joe Rogan 28:44 He's wicked.

Gordon Ryan 28:45 Philadelphia Gorilla.

Joe Rogan 28:46 And, uh, I'm sure Gordon would like to point out that, uh, he beat Craig Jones in competition.

Guest 28:49 He did beat Craig Jones. (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 28:51 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 28:51 (laughs)

Guest 28:52 In a grappling match.

Gordon Ryan 28:53 (laughs)

Eddie Bravo 28:54 (laughs) But that-

Joe Rogan 28:55 But that was one of them deals where you couldn't do heel hooks though, right?

Eddie Bravo 28:57 Yeah.

Guest 28:57 Uh, I think ... I- I believe leg locks were illegal.

Eddie Bravo 29:00 Yeah.

Guest 29:00 Um ...

Joe Rogan 29:01 That's a little sus.

Guest 29:02 But, uh, I mean, still. He's an MMA guy who fights at 170.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Oh, he's a fucking beast.

Guest 29:06 No, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:06 No doubt. He's got like a turtle shell for a back.

Guest 29:09 No, he's- he's- he's a great- he's a great grappler, which is why I'm excited to watch this and these guys.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Yeah, his back is like triple thick. He's got like ... You- you like hug him.

Gordon Ryan 29:15 Talking about Sean Brady?

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah.

Eddie Bravo 29:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 His back is like extra muscles. Like, what do these do?

Gordon Ryan 29:19 Do you see like ... In Leon Edwards in the weigh-ins he was like, "I didn't realize how small he is. I'm definitely gonna have a strength advantage." You're like, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 29:25 Did he answer that?

Gordon Ryan 29:25 But yeah, you're like, "Oh, buddy."

Joe Rogan 29:27 Oh, boy.

Gordon Ryan 29:28 You gotta educate yourself.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Well, Leon was saying at the weigh-ins, "He's too small. I'm gonna take him out." Like, he might be shorter than you.

Gordon Ryan 29:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:34 But that-

Eddie Bravo 29:35 Get his hands on you, man.

Joe Rogan 29:35 He's a fucking chimp.

Eddie Bravo 29:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:37 He gets a hold of you, he got real problems.

Eddie Bravo 29:38 Yeah, boy.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Remember what he did to, uh, Kelvin?

Gordon Ryan 29:40 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 29:41 He manhandled Kelvin.

Gordon Ryan 29:42 And Gilbert Burns.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Kelvin's a hell of a wrestler.

Gordon Ryan 29:44 Yeah. Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:44 Hell of a wrestler.

Gordon Ryan 29:45 No, anyone who fights Sean Brady is like, "He's the strongest guy we were going against."

Joe Rogan 29:49 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 29:49 All of them say it.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 29:50 It's like-

Joe Rogan 29:51 Joe Piper says it.

Gordon Ryan 29:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:52 And Joe Piper's fucking huge.

Eddie Bravo 29:54 Huge.

Joe Rogan 29:55 That's a guy where like-

Eddie Bravo 29:55 Good collar hands.

Joe Rogan 29:56 That's a guy where like, how the fuck do you make 85?

Gordon Ryan 29:58 Wild.

Joe Rogan 29:59 How do you make 85?

Gordon Ryan 29:59 How do you make 85?

Guest 30:00 Gordon, in your opinion, what's the best leg lock for MMA? Best leg lock position? You're training someone, he wants to learn leg locks. What do you think?

Joe Rogan 30:10 Um, well, for you guys, it'd be called the honey hole. But for us, cross hashi garami.

Gordon Ryan 30:14 Or inside sangoku?

Joe Rogan 30:15 Yeah, inside sangoku. Yeah. Um-

Gordon Ryan 30:17 That's- that's the best one you think?

Joe Rogan 30:19 Um, one of them.

Gordon Ryan 30:20 And then what do you think about putting it on the outside and going Z-lock?

Joe Rogan 30:23 That's great too. Um, so-

Gordon Ryan 30:24 It seems like anything on the outside, it turns the guy and he really can't hit you. 'Cause really it's about being, uh, uh, safe from strikes.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Yeah, of course, yeah.

Gordon Ryan 30:32 And 50/50, I think everyone agrees-... it, you see 50/50 in MMA and it works, but you can still reach the guy's face.

Guest 30:38 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 30:38 But you can't really hit him that hard.

Guest 30:40 50/50, 50/50 you can get hit, uh, outside ashi garami, or you guys call double outside.

Gordon Ryan 30:45 That's the worst one.

Guest 30:45 Can get hit.

Gordon Ryan 30:46 Yeah, yeah, that's the worst one.

Guest 30:46 Um, but any, like, inside shinkaku or if you pass, like, across to, we call it inside ashi garami, where you have the, that's how I finished Nicky Rod where you have the legs triangled inside, but the legs pass th- to the outside so you have an outside heel hook. Um, that's great, but because everyone's breaking mechanics are not up to par on outside heel hooks, it's harder to get catastrophic breaks on outside heel hooks. So for MMA, if you have good breaking mechanics, like Paul Harris finished a lot of, uh, outside heel hooks, but his breaking mechanics were pretty good.

Gordon Ryan 31:17 Yeah.

Guest 31:17 Um, the legs inside with the foot outside is best. Um, otherwise just keep the foot on the other side and go for the inverted.

Gordon Ryan 31:25 So if this leg was reaping, this foot would be on the outside, right? Like this?

Guest 31:30 Yeah, so you have an outside heel hook.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 31:32 We call that the Indian.

Guest 31:33 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 31:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:33 For s- yeah, exactly.

Guest 31:34 That's actually, that's Gary heel hooking Paul Harris.

Joe Rogan 31:35 On the inside. Yeah. Yeah.

Guest 31:37 Um, but, so yeah, so, so, it's, uh, it's hard for the guy, uh, the guy can't hit you from here, he can't really-

Gordon Ryan 31:42 Yeah.

Guest 31:42 ... throw any punches to your face.

Gordon Ryan 31:43 Basically anything that, any time you reap, like w- which, which, which is that left leg going on the inside, makes it hard for the guy to hit.

Guest 31:51 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 31:51 So most people think, "Oh, all leg locks don't work in MMA, you're gonna get smashed." That's not true.

Guest 31:55 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 31:56 Some leg locks will save your ass. There was a fight in the UFC, some Brazilian guy, I forget, it was in The Ultimate Fighter. He was on his back getting walloped, and the guy was like, had a horse stance on top of him against the cage and was throwing down. And that Brazilian just jumped, jumped on a, on a knee bar, a knee bar attempt, and that saved him. 'Cause now he can't, uh, now the, he, he's punching his ass.

Guest 32:17 Right.

Gordon Ryan 32:18 And then from the knee bar, he got knocked down on his back, or on his butt, and then he turned around and jumped on his back and choked him out.

Guest 32:24 Mm.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Yeah, I don't think you'll see a lot of heel hooks 'cause a lot of guys just aren't very efficient in it.

Guest 32:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:29 They're like, they're not focusing on it.

Gordon Ryan 32:30 Ryan Hall was one of the first to come in and really do some damage with leg locks.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 32:34 He got, he got BJ penned pretty quick.

Guest 32:35 Mm-hmm. The number one determining factor of, with, with leg locking is, uh, in so far as getting hit, is in order for the person to actually hit you, they have to come up on top of you and put weight onto you.

Gordon Ryan 32:48 Yeah.

Guest 32:48 So the number one determining factor is can I keep this guy's head, if, if I can get, if you're attacking and you're trying to punch the guy, if you can get your head over his head, you can hit with power.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 32:58 Mm-hmm.

Guest 32:58 So any leg locking position which doesn't allow your opponent to get head over head is what's gonna keep you safe.

Gordon Ryan 33:03 So basically double outside ashi, what do you guys call it, double outside ashi?

Guest 33:06 Just outside ashi.

Gordon Ryan 33:07 That's the worst one. That's the w- th- it.

Guest 33:09 Yeah, because the guy can come forward into you and get head over head so he can hit you.

Gordon Ryan 33:11 Yeah, you, you either get that heel hook quick or you're gonna take, uh, some damage.

Guest 33:16 Yeah. But anything where you're reaping which doesn't allow him to come forward into you.

Gordon Ryan 33:20 Yeah.

Guest 33:20 'Cause he'll break his own leg if he stacks you.

Gordon Ryan 33:21 Yeah.

Guest 33:22 Um, and he can't get head over head.

Gordon Ryan 33:23 Yeah.

Guest 33:23 Is, is what you should be looking for.

Gordon Ryan 33:25 Yeah.

Guest 33:25 But if the guy can get head over head then he can hit you easy.

Gordon Ryan 33:27 Yeah. You going over, uh, leg locks with Jon Jones? Is he, is he pretty good at 'em now?

Guest 33:32 Yeah, we, uh, he, he kind of just bounces around from thing to thing. Like he'll be like, "Oh, I want to go over some leg locks." And then, like, you'll teach him a move and he'll be like, "So d'arces, I got a question on d'arces."

Joe Rogan 33:40 (laughs)

Guest 33:40 And it just, like, boun- it's like just ADHD just bou- but that's how he learns.

Gordon Ryan 33:43 (laughs)

Guest 33:43 Like, he just bounces from move to move.

Gordon Ryan 33:45 Yeah, yeah. The first time, uh, I met him it was his first fight when he fought Stephan Bonner. And we were at, it was in, in Boston, and we were at a boxing gym. And I was just hanging out with you 'cause you were taking a private with, uh, who was the guy from Amsterdam that you were taking privates?

Joe Rogan 34:00 Rob Kamen?

Gordon Ryan 34:00 Shoo- no, it was Shuki.

Joe Rogan 34:01 Oh, Suki.

Gordon Ryan 34:02 It was either Shuki or Rob Kamen. It was one of them. We were in some random boxing gym in Boston, and I was just sitting at, on the, on the ring just-

Joe Rogan 34:10 It must've been Rob if we were in Boston.

Gordon Ryan 34:12 Yeah, waiting, waiting for you to be done. And then no one knew who Jon Jones was. It was his first fight, he's sitting there. And, um, he comes up to me and he, and he asks for advice. He goes, "What, what, what do you think, uh, you know, you got any advice for me?" And I'm like, I didn't know... And he was fighting Stephan Bonner and I thought, "Oh, they're feeding Stephan Bonner some new guy."

Joe Rogan 34:29 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 34:29 He's, like I felt bad for Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 34:32 You fucked him up.

Guest 34:32 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 34:32 So what I, what I told him is, is there's two kinds of wrestlers that, uh, come into MMA. Wrestlers that love jujitsu and wrestlers that want to beat jujitsu. I go, "Don't be one of those wrestlers that wants to beat jujitsu. Fall in love with it. Fall in love with submissions, 'cause the guys, the guys that want to beat it, they never last. They're eventually gonna get taken out." Uh, we'll most pe-

Joe Rogan 34:53 Also, wrestlers have such an advantage of being able-

Gordon Ryan 34:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:55 ... to manipulate bodies. They've been manipulating bodies their whole lives.

Gordon Ryan 34:57 The scariest jujitsu guys, the scariest jujitsu guys-

Joe Rogan 34:59 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 34:59 ... uh, for the most part are guys that wrestle their whole life.

Joe Rogan 35:02 Had a wrestling background.

Gordon Ryan 35:03 And then they fall in, and then they fall in love with jujitsu and they love pulling guard and all that, like, oh scary.

Joe Rogan 35:07 Think, think about the guys Jon Jones submitted.

Gordon Ryan 35:09 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Glover, Ly- Lyoto.

Guest 35:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Like he's a fucking-

Guest 35:12 Vitor.

Joe Rogan 35:12 ... savage.

Guest 35:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Vitor, Gracie.

Gordon Ryan 35:14 I've been in a Stephan Bonner fight at, wasn't he like just like-

Joe Rogan 35:16 He beat the shit out of him.

Gordon Ryan 35:17 He and he was like throwing right hands.

Joe Rogan 35:18 He, he got a spinning el- he did that spinning elbow.

Guest 35:19 He backspins him. He beat the shit out of him.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 35:20 Yeah.

Guest 35:20 Backspins him, spinning elbow.

Joe Rogan 35:20 Remember when we talked him, we, we talked him into going to a big camp? Do you remember that conversation? We were at (mouth slurping) .

Gordon Ryan 35:27 When we were at the roof of, uh, the, the-

Joe Rogan 35:29 We were hanging out.

Gordon Ryan 35:29 ... hotel? Remember that?

Joe Rogan 35:30 We were hanging out and he was saying, "What do you think I should do?" I said, "You're too good. You need to be at a big camp. You need to be around killers. You, you can't, you're so good you're gonna get by a long way on your own." I go, "But you need, like, high level coaching."

Gordon Ryan 35:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:44 "Like, you're a, you're a world champion."

Guest 35:45 Did you recommend Jacksons to him?

Joe Rogan 35:47 I did not. He found Jacksons.

Guest 35:49 Just found it.

Gordon Ryan 35:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Well, Jacksons was huge at the time.

Gordon Ryan 35:51 Yeah.

Guest 35:51 Massive.

Joe Rogan 35:51 You know, so many-

Guest 35:52 GSP, all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 35:52 It's such a great gym. I mean, you can't go wrong with those guys.

Gordon Ryan 35:55 The best, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:55 And Greg is just such a great mind for strategy.

Gordon Ryan 35:58 And a good guy, yeah.

Guest 35:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Yeah.

Guest 36:00 Not a slimy guy, he keeps to his program.

Gordon Ryan 36:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:02 And Winkeljohn.

Guest 36:02 Winkeljohn great, the best, the best.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Winkeljohn was a legit, legit kickboxer in his day.

Gordon Ryan 36:05 What'd you say? Winkeljohn's a...

Joe Rogan 36:06 Winkeljohn's a legit kick... He fought Jean-Yves Therriault.

Guest 36:08 Oh, yeah. Winkeljohn's the man.

Joe Rogan 36:09 He was, he was legit, man. Winkeljohn's a legit striker. And then you got all those other people over there too. It's, like, such a killer line-up, but it's-

Guest 36:17 I was there during Jon's heyday, man.

Joe Rogan 36:18 Yeah, you were.

Guest 36:19 Savage.

Joe Rogan 36:19 Yeah. Yeah.

Guest 36:21 Terrible.

Joe Rogan 36:21 I think his heyday's still going on, man.

Guest 36:23 You think?

Joe Rogan 36:23 Especially at heady- at heavyweight.

Guest 36:25 We just don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Right.

Guest 36:26 He's not active enough.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Yeah.

Guest 36:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:27 It's r- it's really there's one fight, man. There's one fight.

Guest 36:30 And then after that it's like, uh...

Joe Rogan 36:31 After that they got a fucking, they gotta scour...

Guest 36:34 'Cause even if he, here's the thing, even if Jon mollywhops Tom, which I think that Jon would be the underdog in the fight, but let's say Jon beats Tom.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Isn't that crazy?

Guest 36:40 And then retires. It's like, all right, Tom Assumall's still gonna dominate.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Right.

Guest 36:44 Who's gonna beat him?

Gordon Ryan 36:45 Do you get Francis to come back?

Guest 36:47 ... because Saudis come along-

36:49 (laughs)

36:49 Come on, come on, come on. (laughs) The Saudis come along with that-

Gordon Ryan 36:52 France is gonna fight Wilder.

Guest 36:53 ... open up that big bag.

Gordon Ryan 36:54 Yeah.

Guest 36:54 Let's go. (laughs)

36:56 So, uh-

Gordon Ryan 36:56 That did not do it.

Guest 36:57 A good Jon Jones story that nobody knows, 'cause I was, we were, I was cornering him for that fight, his last fight against Stipe. And we found out that Trump was gonna be there. And for probably a solid 15 to 20 minutes, we only... While he was warming up, like 15 to 20 minutes, he's getting ready to go out to fight for the belt. Probably 20 minutes of that warmup was him just practicing the mechanics on how to do the Trump dance right. (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 37:28 (laughs)

Guest 37:28 We, like, looked it up. We were, we, like, YouTubed it, and he was, like, practicing-

Gordon Ryan 37:31 (laughs)

Guest 37:31 ... the Trump dance in the, in the locker room getting ready to do it.

37:34 Savage. (laughs)

37:35 How confident are you of victory when you're already practicing your victory dance?

Gordon Ryan 37:40 Pretty confident. (laughs) Pretty confident.

Guest 37:41 And the best is we were all, we were all for it. We're like, "No, like the hands gotta be a little bit higher or a little lower."

Gordon Ryan 37:45 (laughs)

Guest 37:45 So we were, like, coaching him through it as he was doing it.

Gordon Ryan 37:48 (laughs)

Guest 37:50 Oh, I was laughing so hard.

37:50 That's good.

Gordon Ryan 37:51 How did that, how did that fight end? I forget.

Guest 37:52 Spinning back kick to the body.

Gordon Ryan 37:54 Yeah. I never told you this, but I was actually there. (laughs) I flew-

Guest 37:57 Oh, you were there?

Gordon Ryan 37:58 I flew in with the guys from CPI. You know, they, uh, they, uh-

Guest 38:00 Why didn't you tell me you were there?

Gordon Ryan 38:02 'Cause you were so busy, you know what I mean? And then I was, I was with a p- I was with like-

Guest 38:05 A group of hostile.

Gordon Ryan 38:06 I was with, like, a big group and what am I gonna do, bring-

Guest 38:09 Right.

Gordon Ryan 38:09 Yeah, like, I'm like, "You know what?"

Guest 38:10 Got it.

Gordon Ryan 38:10 You had, you had so much shit going on. And, uh, so, uh, Ed Clay from CPI calls me up and goes, "Hey, you wanna go... You, you, you want me to pick you up in my private jet and go to, uh, see Tyson fight in Dallas and then we fly and go see Jon Jones fight the next night?"

Guest 38:25 No, that sounds terrible. (laughs)

38:27 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 38:28 No, I hate fun. (laughs)

Guest 38:29 I ne- I need better friends. (laughs)

38:30 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 38:30 (laughs)

Guest 38:31 No one's actually said no.

Gordon Ryan 38:33 Did you really?

Guest 38:34 I, I... My kid had baseball.

Gordon Ryan 38:35 My son, my son, my, my kid had baseball all weekend.

Guest 38:37 Yeah. Oh, I get it.

38:37 Baseball, fuck yeah.

38:38 I get it.

Gordon Ryan 38:38 So I said, "Damn." 'Cause he asked me, this was on, uh, we were gonna leave on Thurs- or Friday morning or Thursday. And, um, it was like Tuesday. And I'm like, "Yo, what?" No one's ever asked... I've never had that offer ever. "Let me go pick you up in the private... Pick me up in Van Nuys Airport and then we go to Dallas and then we go to, uh, the New York." And then, and I said, "Dude, I can't. I can't." And then I told my wife and my wife goes, "Are you fucking retarded?"

Guest 39:07 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 39:08 (laughs)

Guest 39:08 That's a good wife. (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 39:09 "You call his ass back, you're fucking going." And I go, "Okay."

Guest 39:12 The kids also play, like, 100 games.

Gordon Ryan 39:13 I called him back, I said, "My wife's making me go."

Guest 39:15 They play a lot of games.

39:16 Yeah, especially his son. Travel ball to so many games.

Gordon Ryan 39:18 Yeah, yeah. Um, and you know, to be honest with you, dude, I've been to a million UFCs. Like, I'd rather watch it at home or with, with my buddies. 'Cause we have UFC parties at, at, at the gym and, you know... That's funner to me than to see it live, to tell you the truth, all day.

Guest 39:33 This is my favorite way to watch fights. This is my favorite way.

Gordon Ryan 39:36 But, but, but, but, but when we were there, dude, I was just watching the whole Trump thing go on. You see RFK, Tulsi Gabbard. Was Beto there too?

Guest 39:45 Uh, I believe it was.

39:45 Yeah, he was there. He was at that one.

Gordon Ryan 39:47 Dude, dude, and I was just sitting there going, "Fuck, you're there."

Guest 39:49 FBI director.

Gordon Ryan 39:50 And I see Trump. I'm like, "Dude, this is a good time for the deep state to fucking send a missile to Madison (laughs) Square Garden."

Guest 39:57 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 39:57 "It would solve all their problems." It would solve all their problems.

Guest 39:59 Dude, it was like... Dude, there was, like-

Gordon Ryan 40:00 Dude.

Guest 40:00 It was, like, 47 checkpoints. There was, like-

40:03 It was good, as they should be, as it should be.

40:04 There was, like, super service jobs every day.

Gordon Ryan 40:04 And then I see Trump come up. I saw the whole fucking thing. Trump walking straight to you and gave you a big fucking hug and he's whispering sweet nothings in your ear.

Guest 40:14 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 40:14 I'm like, "Holy..." They're like, "This shit right here." Like, I was like, "What the fuck?" He goes right to you, man. Look at that. He didn't wanna talk to John Adik. He went right to you.

Guest 40:23 He knew you were ready for the fucking handshake pull. So he was like, you know, "Let's try going for a hug."

40:26 Nah, he wasn't. He just came to give me a hug that time.

Gordon Ryan 40:30 Dude, look at that. And what did he say?

Guest 40:33 He gave DC the left, man.

Gordon Ryan 40:35 (laughs)

Guest 40:35 He basically said-

Gordon Ryan 40:36 No, you don't have to say it. You don't have to say it.

Guest 40:36 He basically said I won him the election.

Gordon Ryan 40:38 (laughs) Damn. How crazy is this, right?

Guest 40:43 Very interesting times.

Gordon Ryan 40:44 And then, and then f- and then Jon Jones wins and then does the dance.

Guest 40:49 That was crazy.

Gordon Ryan 40:50 Dude, that day-

Guest 40:51 It was so bad.

Gordon Ryan 40:51 That day was insane.

Guest 40:53 It was so bad.

40:53 Yeah, it was a great day.

Gordon Ryan 40:53 That day was insane.

Guest 40:55 It was a great day.

40:56 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 40:56 For the, for the world. That's like world history shit.

Guest 40:59 Yeah.

40:59 Yeah.

41:00 It was.

Gordon Ryan 41:00 They could put that whole event in some book.

Guest 41:03 Well, all the other athletes started doing the Trump dance after that.

Gordon Ryan 41:05 Correct.

Guest 41:05 Everyone was like, everyone was like...

41:06 A lot of football players were already doing it.

41:07 Like, "Hey Jon."

Gordon Ryan 41:07 A lot of football players. (laughs)

Guest 41:09 (laughs) "Hey, Jon."

Gordon Ryan 41:14 (laughs)

Guest 41:15 (laughs)

41:15 (laughs) That's amazing.

Gordon Ryan 41:16 That's the coolest shit ever, man.

Guest 41:17 That's amazing.

41:19 Jon Jones.

Gordon Ryan 41:20 Savage.

Guest 41:20 The GOAT.

Gordon Ryan 41:21 The GOAT, yeah.

Guest 41:22 No- the GOAT now.

Gordon Ryan 41:23 No arguing.

Guest 41:24 No, no doubt. Like, no, that's no doubt.

41:26 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 41:26 It's silly when people argue that.

Guest 41:27 If he beats Aspinall, everybody has to shut the fuck up forever.

Gordon Ryan 41:29 Come on. They need to shut the fuck up. It'd be even a losing ass who won.

Guest 41:31 Yeah. Look, his resume through light heavyweight...

41:34 He's incredible.

41:34 You gotta realize, he, he went th- through that whole fucking span of fighting the best of the best that light heavyweights ever had to offer and fucked up all of 'em.

41:42 Look at the, look at the line. It's like Tom Aspinall's a slight favorite. That's kind of crazy.

41:45 Yeah, as he should, uh, he should be.

41:48 Look at Marab over Sean.

41:49 Yeah.

41:50 Woo, 350 to win. Tom hasn't been out of the first round, I think, in UFC history.

Gordon Ryan 41:53 Are they doing... Is this real? Are they doing Marab-

Guest 41:56 I don't think so.

Gordon Ryan 41:56 ... and Sean again?

Guest 41:57 These are just, these are just a website taking action. They're taking bets already.

42:00 Yeah, they're doing, they're doing Marab and Sean.

42:01 They are, huh? When is that happening?

Gordon Ryan 42:02 I don't know, but that's gotta be July, right?

Guest 42:04 That's gotta be July.

42:04 Yeah, probably.

Gordon Ryan 42:05 Yeah.

Guest 42:05 That Islam Topuria. I don't...

42:07 Islam?

42:07 I don't think that's happening.

42:08 No. Islam's going up to 70.

42:10 Is he? Right.

42:12 Interesting.

Gordon Ryan 42:13 Oh, shit. (laughs)

Guest 42:13 Shane.

Gordon Ryan 42:15 He's gotta do a drunk Trump. You know how Dr- Trump has never been drunk ever in his life, but him doing a... Can you imagine if Trump was d- d- w- was drunk on Twitter?

Guest 42:24 Ugh.

Gordon Ryan 42:24 Can you imagine the drunk tweets he would send?

Brendan Schaub 42:27 Trump doesn't drink a lot, all right.

Gordon Ryan 42:29 Oh, shit, look at that.

Brendan Schaub 42:29 Who's that?

Gordon Ryan 42:29 Fiona Davies. He's like-

Brendan Schaub 42:30 Oh, she's amazing.

Gordon Ryan 42:30 ... top- top female grappler.

Joe Rogan 42:32 Yeah, she's amazing. Just don't recognize her all dolled up.

Brendan Schaub 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 She's amazing, dude. I saw her and Mackenzie Dern bout, like holy shit.

Gordon Ryan 42:37 Dude, the first time I saw her, she was in EBI. She was a purple belt and she went against, I, uh, uh, her- her first round match was against, uh, Talita Alencar, who was a blackbelt world champion. I gave Talita, like, "Oh, you're gonna get a purple belt. You get the low seat." So it was like an easy round- and I'm sitting there and I'm reffing, and I'm like, "Oh Talita's going to kill this little Irish girl." And dude, Fiona was all over her, took her back and almost finished her and I'm like, "Oh my god." And the only reason I put her in there was 'cause Keith Krikorian, he- he sent me a message. He goes, "Yo, there's this ch- there's this chick Fiona Davies, you gotta throw her in." And I go, "Okay, whatever, I'll take that advice." But Talita ended up winning, she ended up getting her back at the end and winning, but it was scary for a second. And that was-

Brendan Schaub 43:19 Wow, as a purple belt?

Gordon Ryan 43:20 As a purple belt.

Brendan Schaub 43:21 That's impressive.

Gordon Ryan 43:21 She almost beat a world champion.

Joe Rogan 43:23 This dude looks like he's had a hard life.

Brendan Schaub 43:25 He's tatted up like Machine Gun Kelly.

Joe Rogan 43:26 Yeah. I don't know these guys. So we'll see what happens with that one.

Brendan Schaub 43:36 Okay.

Joe Rogan 43:37 There's a lot of good fights coming up. I'm wondering whether they're gonna-

Brendan Schaub 43:39 They have a fight coming up.

Joe Rogan 43:39 ... do Topuria, but I like Topo- what you were saying-

Brendan Schaub 43:41 Topuria-Chavez?

Gordon Ryan 43:42 Chavez-Oliveira?

Joe Rogan 43:42 ... Topuria versus Oliveira. Oliveira-

Brendan Schaub 43:43 Your first introduction at 55, he's kind of the-

Joe Rogan 43:46 Woo.

Brendan Schaub 43:46 ... you know, the king at 55.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Oh, very so tall.

Brendan Schaub 43:48 And dangerous.

Joe Rogan 43:48 So dangerous everywhere. Dangerous striking, huge reach advantage.

Brendan Schaub 43:52 Yeah. But- but if you're Topuria, you're not gonna go up to 55 without some sort of guarantee. 'Cause remember, he's given up the belt, so he's not getting pay-per-view points.

Joe Rogan 43:59 But it's his idea.

Brendan Schaub 44:01 Well, 'cause the weight cut's too tough.

Joe Rogan 44:02 Is that what is?

Brendan Schaub 44:03 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:04 Really?

Brendan Schaub 44:04 45's too tough for him.

Joe Rogan 44:06 But he's been doing it and winning.

Brendan Schaub 44:07 I- he's just sick of it.

Joe Rogan 44:08 Yeah, I would imagine getting sick of it.

Brendan Schaub 44:09 Apparently that last cut was really tough and his team was like, "All right, no more."

Joe Rogan 44:12 Wow.

Brendan Schaub 44:13 But you're- you're not gonna give up the pay-per-view points and just dip out and then just go into the queue at 55. It's too tough.

Joe Rogan 44:18 What was he weighing when he was fighting 45? What- what was he walking around at, you know?

Brendan Schaub 44:22 They were saying like 180 between, 170.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Holy.

Brendan Schaub 44:24 Yeah big. Like that's the thing, everyone was like, "Oh he's too small, 55." I'm like he's fucking big out of camp, man.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Yeah, but those guys are real big. Like Islam's huge. When I stand next to Islam-

Brendan Schaub 44:33 And how about Gleason Tobao? He would cut to 55.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Oh my God.

Brendan Schaub 44:36 That guy walked around at 250.

Joe Rogan 44:37 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 44:37 That was back in the day though.

Joe Rogan 44:38 No fact.

Brendan Schaub 44:40 That was back in the day though.

Joe Rogan 44:41 I think he has the- I think that dude-

Brendan Schaub 44:43 Can't do that now.

Joe Rogan 44:43 ... has the record for weight cuts.

Brendan Schaub 44:45 Anthony Johnson.

Joe Rogan 44:45 Prob, oh yeah.

Gordon Ryan 44:46 Dude, Anthony Johnson, 170, yeah John.

Joe Rogan 44:47 Anthony Johnson, yeah, John Stoll. I don't know how Alex ever made 85.

Brendan Schaub 44:50 Who?

Joe Rogan 44:50 Right, Pereira?

Gordon Ryan 44:51 Alex Pereira.

Joe Rogan 44:51 And then he'd fight at 225.

Gordon Ryan 44:53 And-

Brendan Schaub 44:54 How about DDP? He's fucking huge.

Joe Rogan 44:57 He's big too.

Brendan Schaub 44:57 Bro.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Huge. Yeah, he's huge.

Brendan Schaub 45:00 He's so big.

Joe Rogan 45:00 So big for 5-

Gordon Ryan 45:00 I haven't been, I haven't seen him in person.

Brendan Schaub 45:02 Oh, that's awesome.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Oh wow.

Gordon Ryan 45:03 I said that, I said that to Alex when I was like a jacked 230 and he like dwarfed me.

Brendan Schaub 45:06 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 45:06 I'm like how does this guy cut to 80?

Joe Rogan 45:08 Isn't it wild?

Gordon Ryan 45:08 Like he was bigger, on every metric he was bigger. He was longer, he was thicker, like it was just...

Joe Rogan 45:13 They say he fought with a broken hand and norovirus, against Ankalaev. He fought with a broken toe before. When he beat, um, uh, Jiri Prochazka he had a fucked up knee. Like remember when he went and he tumbled at the end of the fight?

Brendan Schaub 45:27 Yep.

Joe Rogan 45:27 That's because his knee doesn't, wouldn't support him. He was basically fighting on one leg in the first fight. Then he gets surgery. I guess it was probably meniscus 'cause he came back pretty quick. Walk-around weight 231. That's crazy.

Brendan Schaub 45:40 Stacked dude.

Joe Rogan 45:41 And he looks 231. When you stand next to him, he looks like a heavyweight.

Brendan Schaub 45:44 He can go up 205.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Oh easy.

Brendan Schaub 45:46 Easily.

Joe Rogan 45:46 Easy 205 and-

Brendan Schaub 45:47 He has the strength for it too.

Joe Rogan 45:49 ... bully people.

Brendan Schaub 45:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 45:50 Get you some.

Joe Rogan 45:51 He's a scary dude.

Brendan Schaub 45:52 He's gonna be a problem.

Joe Rogan 45:52 'Cause he confused everybody. Everybody's like, "Oh this guy's all awkward and shit. He's gonna get pieced up." Nope.

Brendan Schaub 45:58 Especially, like w- you know we watch so many fights, I'd see a style and I'm like, "Oh he's going to get exposed eventually."

Joe Rogan 46:02 Well I think also-

Brendan Schaub 46:02 And then you just see him, you're like what the fuck?

Joe Rogan 46:05 When we saw him early in his career, he did not have a nose. His nose was-

Brendan Schaub 46:08 His cardio was bad.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Yeah. His mouth was wide open all the time.

Brendan Schaub 46:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:11 And then he got that nose fixed and then all... Man, I remember when I got mine fixed I was like why didn't I do this a long time ago? You have like 10% more cardio instantly.

Brendan Schaub 46:20 Yeah his coach came in and was like he was only breathing at 6% capacity and I was like there's some bullshit.

Joe Rogan 46:25 Out of his nose, man.

Brendan Schaub 46:25 Out of his nose.

Joe Rogan 46:26 Yeah, I believe that.

Brendan Schaub 46:27 And then he got it fixed and the motherfucker's unstoppable.

Joe Rogan 46:29 Rockhold just did something online where they did a scan inside of his nose.

Brendan Schaub 46:33 I saw that.

Joe Rogan 46:33 It's all gone. His no- whole nose is just completely clogged.

Brendan Schaub 46:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:37 'Cause it's like your ears. You get cauliflower ear? That shit, the same thing happens inside your nose.

Brendan Schaub 46:42 It's scar tissue, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:42 It's- it's the blood pools up and it calcifies and you just get rocks inside your nose. Your nose is just a big fucking closed, like a- a tunnel that caved in on miners.

Brendan Schaub 46:52 Jesus Christ.

Gordon Ryan 46:52 I had mine fixed when I had, uh, my tonsillectomy.

Joe Rogan 46:55 Yeah?

Gordon Ryan 46:56 And they had like the stents up there for like a week, but uh...

Brendan Schaub 46:59 No. I feel like you got a good nose for fighting. You're like a, no homo...

Gordon Ryan 47:02 It's a better...

Brendan Schaub 47:02 You got like a button nose, like cute button nose.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Cute button nose.

Gordon Ryan 47:04 I appreciate that.

Joe Rogan 47:05 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 47:05 Right? Doesn't he have a good nose?

Joe Rogan 47:06 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 47:06 I appreciate that.

Brendan Schaub 47:06 So does Eddie, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:07 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 47:08 How- has anybody thrown a lot of money at you to try to get you to do MMA?

Gordon Ryan 47:12 Uh yeah I was offered, uh, seven figures.

Brendan Schaub 47:15 Really?

Gordon Ryan 47:16 To do, uh, like bare knuckle MMA.

Brendan Schaub 47:18 Oh bare knuckle? Was it Masvidal's thing?

Gordon Ryan 47:20 Uh, I- I believe so. Uh it wasn't Masvidal who reached out, it was somebody else.

Brendan Schaub 47:25 Dean probably?

Gordon Ryan 47:26 Um, I think it was maybe through, uh, Philly Fresh.

Brendan Schaub 47:28 Mm.

Gordon Ryan 47:29 Um, reached out and it was somewhere around seven figures.

Brendan Schaub 47:32 Wow.

Gordon Ryan 47:33 To do it.

Brendan Schaub 47:34 Yeah I'd watch that.

Gordon Ryan 47:34 But it was like... I was getting ready for ADCC at the time and I'm just like, no.

Brendan Schaub 47:38 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 47:39 You were gonna do combat jiu-jitsu too. It was go- going to be him against Fabricio Werdum.

Joe Rogan 47:44 Fabricio.

Brendan Schaub 47:44 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 47:45 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 47:45 That was happening dog.

Gordon Ryan 47:47 Whoa.

Brendan Schaub 47:47 That was happening.

Joe Rogan 47:48 Take my money.

Gordon Ryan 47:49 Yeah but uh-

Brendan Schaub 47:49 Fuck yes. Right?

Joe Rogan 47:50 Take my money.

Gordon Ryan 47:51 I tore my LCL.

Brendan Schaub 47:53 Yeah.

Gordon Ryan 47:53 Against Shohei Araki. And then Fab- Fabricio got hurt too, so they both g- they both dropped out but it was gonna happen.

Brendan Schaub 47:59 Fabricio's in GFL right?

Gordon Ryan 47:59 We had fliers and everything.

Brendan Schaub 48:01 Fabricio's in GFL.

Joe Rogan 48:02 GFL's got everybody. They're- Chris Weidman's like I'm retired and then GFL called him up and was like I'm un-retired.

Brendan Schaub 48:07 I'm back in.

Joe Rogan 48:08 Like back.

Brendan Schaub 48:08 Dude, they're- they're fighting, uh, it's end of May, uh, but the- the arena by the USC down there, it's end of May in LA.

Joe Rogan 48:15 What kind of testing they got, multiple choice?

Brendan Schaub 48:17 Don't be a hater. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:19 (laughs)

Gordon Ryan 48:19 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 48:19 What's this testing you speak of?

Joe Rogan 48:21 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 48:21 But dude they got- when they get old guys don't lo- don't test them.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Be cool.

Brendan Schaub 48:25 Don't touch... Be nice.

Joe Rogan 48:26 What the fuck you doing?

Brendan Schaub 48:26 Come on.

Joe Rogan 48:26 The WWE, yeah yeah yeah. Let's go back to the old days.

Brendan Schaub 48:28 But you got Dylan-

Joe Rogan 48:29 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 48:29 Dylan Danis, Tony Ferguson like... I like it dog.

Joe Rogan 48:32 Oh that's a good fight.

Brendan Schaub 48:33 That's a good fight.

Gordon Ryan 48:33 Yeah that's... I saw that poster.

Guest 48:36 ... that's gotta be fake because there's n- zero chance that Dyl- it was at lightweight.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Here it is.

Guest 48:40 No chance.

48:41 But remember-

Joe Rogan 48:41 Well, their- their weights are different.

Guest 48:42 Their weight tu- the weight cut's different.

48:44 What is it?

Joe Rogan 48:44 10 pounds. So, they can agree to, to find a weight that they're both comfortable at.

Guest 48:48 It's a legendary lightweight matchup.

48:50 Yeah, but lightweight's different for them.

Joe Rogan 48:51 Yeah, but it could be 65. Yeah, it could be-

Guest 48:52 But there's no way he makes 65. He could, like, barely make 70 when he was like-

48:55 Really?

48:55 ... 170 when he was in shape for ADCC.

Joe Rogan 48:58 What is... Their weight classes are different. We pulled it up the other day. Like, middleweight is 200 pounds.

Guest 49:02 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 49:03 So, maybe-

Guest 49:04 Oh, look. I have it posted right there. I'm not gonna comment. Dillan making lightweight.

49:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:07 Uh, well let's see... Pull up GFL weight classes, Jamie. 'Cause I think they are... They're definitely different.

Guest 49:13 They're different. So, if Tony goes, "Hey, man, I feel good at, whatever, 168, 170," and, and Dillon agrees, like, "Yeah, I'll fight you at 170." Then he'd fight him at 170.

Joe Rogan 49:21 Who's-

Guest 49:21 Well, Dillon wasn't even making 170 when he fought in Bellator.

Joe Rogan 49:24 50/50 revenue share?

Guest 49:25 He would fight at catch weight.

Joe Rogan 49:27 Athletes can earn a fair share of the revenue generated from events, ensuring their success is directly linked to s- to league success. Dang.

Guest 49:33 How do they determine that?

Joe Rogan 49:34 50/50 for the gate.

Guest 49:35 50/50 at- at... Once, once they get over, you know, once they get in the positive. But then also, like, let's say-

Joe Rogan 49:39 But how do they know who's moving the needle?

Guest 49:41 They-

49:41 If they all get it? They all get 50/50?

49:43 They all get it. Yeah, they all get it.

49:44 Okay.

49:44 They split among the fighters.

Joe Rogan 49:45 So, Jamie, can you just Google GFL's weight classes and see if a website explains it?

Guest 49:49 I'm on their website. I would imagine-

Joe Rogan 49:50 I, I know, but I don't think they have it on their website.

Guest 49:52 So, if they split the profit-

Joe Rogan 49:52 Another-

Guest 49:53 That's different. If they split the profit, what if they don't make any profit? Then nobody gets it.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Okay.

Guest 49:57 But then what's dope is like, let's say Gordan was gonna fight and has... And brought in a sponsor, and then they wanna s- sponsor the entire thing. He gets-

Joe Rogan 50:06 Yeah.

Guest 50:06 I mean, it's just-

50:06 ... 20% of anything you bring, so...

Joe Rogan 50:08 See, featherweight goes up to 55. Lightweight is 65. Welterweight's 80. So, how's Dillon Danis make it 65?

Guest 50:14 See, that's what I'm saying. There's, there's zero chance. Does he-

Joe Rogan 50:16 He's big.

Guest 50:17 When he fought in Bellator, he would fight at catch weight.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Mm-hmm.

Guest 50:19 It was 175.

Joe Rogan 50:21 I like their light heavyweight, 225. That, that sounds-

Guest 50:24 I wish they had that one outside. They should have that.

50:25 Maybe he's in the best shape of his life. Maybe he's-

Joe Rogan 50:27 Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

Guest 50:28 Isn't he fight, isn't he fighting KSI in boxing? So, shouldn't he be in shape?

50:31 No, KSI just pulled out.

Joe Rogan 50:32 All right, well that's not good.

Guest 50:33 But I'm telling you, there's no way Dillon's gonna make 165.

Joe Rogan 50:34 How does KSI pull out against Dillon Danis?

Guest 50:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:37 Like, Dillon's not a boxer. KSI's a pretty good boxer.

Guest 50:40 Well...

Joe Rogan 50:41 He's legit. Like, for those kinda guys-

Guest 50:43 For his... Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:44 You know? He's a good boxer.

Guest 50:45 For th- for that class, yes.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Did he fight Tommy Fury? Or was he going to?

Guest 50:49 He was going to, then t- t- something happened, right?

Joe Rogan 50:52 I think. But KSI looks legit to me. Like, out of those guys?

Guest 50:55 For the influencer stuff?

Joe Rogan 50:56 Yeah.

Guest 50:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:57 He's legit.

Guest 50:58 Not Logan, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:00 But Dillon is not a boxer.

Guest 51:02 No, far from it.

Joe Rogan 51:03 So, it's crazy that he would... You would think he could be not even at his best to take that fight.

Guest 51:09 Yeah. I mean, maybe he got hurt. I'm not sure. I just saw, I just saw something that he pulled out. I don't even...

Narrator 51:13 This is a sickness. He's got a video here. I don't...

Joe Rogan 51:15 Oh, he got real sick?

Narrator 51:16 I, uh...

Joe Rogan 51:17 Got some new coronavirus?

Narrator 51:18 Yeah, I don't know.

Guest 51:19 You got him as a breathe strip on?

Joe Rogan 51:21 Oh.

Guest 51:22 What that say?

Narrator 51:22 You tell these guys? So we can know it's real.

Joe Rogan 51:23 See what he's saying? Put it on, we, we can hear him.

Narrator 51:25 ... decide for what is going on.

Guest 51:26 I know Jordan.

Narrator 51:27 And honestly, I've never been this ill for this long in my life. And I hate it. I feel useless, and it's depressing. I feel like I've let so many people down. I haven't been able to post any YouTube videos to help promote the fight because I've just been feeling so shit. I'm just sick of being sick, man. Uh...

Joe Rogan 51:46 Okay, he's sick.

Guest 51:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:47 Sounds legit.

Guest 51:48 Yeah. The breathe strip does it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:52 (laughs) I've been sleeping with mouth tape.

Guest 51:56 You tape your mouth shut?

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yeah. I taped my mouth shut when I did the breathing through my nose. Yeah.

Guest 51:58 So you just breathe through your nose? I can't do that.

Joe Rogan 52:00 It's a game changer. Game changer.

Guest 52:01 Is that for snoring?

Joe Rogan 52:02 In what way? It's not just for snoring. It's like you feel better when you wake up. You feel more rested.

Guest 52:06 Really?

Joe Rogan 52:06 Yeah, man. It's amazing. I love it.

Guest 52:08 Keep your mouth shut while you sleep?

Joe Rogan 52:09 I started doing it last two weeks.

Guest 52:10 How does it work? What does it look like?

Joe Rogan 52:11 I just put a black... It's called hostage tape. I put a black piece of tape over my mouth when I go to sleep.

Guest 52:15 Is your wife like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 52:16 She wears it too. Yeah. We're both hostage.

Guest 52:19 You're both like, "Good night, babe."

Joe Rogan 52:21 (laughs) Yeah.

Guest 52:22 (kissing sounds) .

Joe Rogan 52:22 Give me a kiss. (kissing sounds) .

Guest 52:22 (laughs)

Narrator 52:22 (Kissing sounds) .

Guest 52:24 (laughs)

52:25 You just use any tape or is it special tape?

Joe Rogan 52:27 No, it's special tape for mouth taping. There's a bunch of companies that make mouth tape.

Guest 52:31 Huh.

Joe Rogan 52:31 But this company, Hostage Tape ..........................

Guest 52:32 And it doesn't fall off?

Joe Rogan 52:34 No. It has before, but I keep an extra one by the bed if it falls off and just slap a new... When, when I get like this, like this much stubble, I kinda have to shave.

Guest 52:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:41 So it sticks better.

Guest 52:42 Because it sticks?

Joe Rogan 52:43 And you... Like, you're, you would have a little bit of issue with your beard. You know? It probably wouldn't stick that good to your beard.

Guest 52:47 That's why Hitler did his mustache that way, so he could fit a gas mask.

Joe Rogan 52:50 (laughs)

Guest 52:50 That's real.

52:51 No!

52:51 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:52 Shut the fuck up.

Guest 52:53 Jamie, look it up.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Is that real?

Guest 52:54 Yeah, I know my shit.

Joe Rogan 52:55 Wow.

Guest 52:56 Apparently, he was, he was gassed pretty bad in the first World War.

52:59 Yeah.

53:00 So, he liked the spice.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Wah, wah. And that's why he did that mustache 'cause the gas-

Guest 53:02 Oh, it's real?

Joe Rogan 53:03 That's real.

Guest 53:04 I don't know if that's real.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Wow.

Guest 53:05 But apparently, he was, uh... He was gassed pretty bad in the first World War.

53:08 Yeah, mustard gas.

Joe Rogan 53:09 Bro, that first World War was nuts. The first time they decided to use giant fans and gas people. Toothpaste mustache family associated said it originated from military where they'd trim this large mustache to facilitate wearing a gas mask.

Guest 53:20 Go down the military order.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Wow.

Guest 53:22 During his service in Bavarian Infantry Division, Hitler was ordered to trim his mustache to ensure a proper seal with the gas mask.

Joe Rogan 53:28 Wow.

Guest 53:29 Then you got the Michael Jordan mustache.

53:30 That is a fun fact of the day.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Wow.

Guest 53:32 (laughs) Michael Jordan.

Joe Rogan 53:33 (laughs)

Guest 53:34 Mike Jordan's the only guy to ever pull it off, right?

53:36 Ever. Ever.

Joe Rogan 53:36 No one ever said shit. Like, "That's cool."

Guest 53:37 Dude, in a commercial.

53:38 You're cool.

53:38 In a commercial.

53:39 You're Michael Jordan. This cool.

Joe Rogan 53:40 This is funny that that mustache is gone forever. You know?

Guest 53:43 Didn't he fight in the fr... Wasn't he like in the front line in World War I?

53:47 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Oh, yeah.

Guest 53:47 He got gassed.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah.

Guest 53:49 Mustard gas.

53:50 And he got fucked up, right?

Joe Rogan 53:51 Yeah. And that's when he decided to run for everything 'cause he thought he was saved by God 'cause everybody else got fucked up.

Guest 53:56 You know what's the, the craziest thing about the gas thing? The guy who invented Zyklon A, which became Zyklon B which they killed the Jews with... That guy, Fritz Haber, who was a Jew himself, he originally... When, when he invented this, he also invented the Haber method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. The Haber method is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen in most people's bodies. 'Cause the Haber method of extracting nitrogen made it so they could fertilize all kinds of soil. So, he invents that and he also invents this gas that kills everybody at the same time.

Joe Rogan 54:35 So-

Brendan Schaub 54:35 And, and there's no odor, right?

Joe Rogan 54:36 Well, Zyklon B there's no odor.

Brendan Schaub 54:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Zyklon A was invented, I think it was a pesticide. And the idea was the smell was so awful so that you would recognize when it was there and you'd get the fuck away from it.

Brendan Schaub 54:50 It was like, "Oh, yeah."

Joe Rogan 54:50 Then Zyklon B, they got rid of the smell.

Brendan Schaub 54:52 I see.

Joe Rogan 54:53 But when they were gassing the troops, he was being wanted for crimes against humanity, for war crimes. At the same time he was gonna win the Nobel Prize for inventing-

Brendan Schaub 55:03 God.

Guest 55:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:03 ... the Haber method.

Brendan Schaub 55:05 Wild.

Guest 55:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:06 Wild. And then, when Hitler takes over, the Jews all get kicked out of Germany. And he's kind of sort of privileged because he's a part of the administration but then he gets ostracized and he winds up having to be e- an- and winds up being exiled.

Brendan Schaub 55:20 Goddamn.

Joe Rogan 55:20 And he dies on the run.

Brendan Schaub 55:22 He died on the run?

Joe Rogan 55:22 Died on the run. Died running away from the Nazis.

Brendan Schaub 55:25 Jesus, man.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 55:26 Wild.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Crazy story.

Brendan Schaub 55:28 Dude, have we talked about the JFA fi- JFK files?

Joe Rogan 55:31 Not yet, no.

Brendan Schaub 55:32 No one has?

Joe Rogan 55:33 No. I mean, uh, we talked about it a little bit yesterday but there's n- I don't know anything, like, groundbreaking.

Brendan Schaub 55:39 Nothing, right?

Joe Rogan 55:40 Nothing that I've seen so far.

Guest 55:41 Do you follow that, uh, that page on Instagram that's called Real News No Bullshit?

Joe Rogan 55:45 Yes.

Guest 55:46 They posted something about it.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Oh, yeah?

Guest 55:47 And they post ... It was like a ... I think it was like 2,000 pages or something and they posted like the key takeaways. I read a little bit about it but I kinda just was like-

Brendan Schaub 55:54 It's kinda like confirmation that I was like, mafia, Israel and the CIA.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Well, I read one thing-

Brendan Schaub 56:00 Like the three of them working together.

Joe Rogan 56:01 ... that the CIA within a week or two had dismissed the idea of a single shooter. I read one thing. And they're like, "No, there's more than one shooter." Like this was this-

Brendan Schaub 56:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 56:11 It took them a week (laughs) to figure that out? Weren't they involved?

Joe Rogan 56:15 Allegedly.

Brendan Schaub 56:16 Yeah. (laughs)

Guest 56:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:16 But here's the thing. What f- what part of the CIA? So like, if you're involved in killing the president-

Brendan Schaub 56:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:21 ... you're not telling Mike down the hallway.

Brendan Schaub 56:23 It's a small group, yeah.

Guest 56:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:23 You know? You're of a, an enormous fucking office filled with thousands of employees. It's not like everybody's-

Brendan Schaub 56:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:28 ... saying, "Hey, get a meeting." (claps hands)

Brendan Schaub 56:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:30 "That Irish guy? Fuck him."

Brendan Schaub 56:31 Yep.

Joe Rogan 56:32 You know? "We're gonna take him for a ride through Dallas and shoot him in the fucking head." Yeah, let's go.

Brendan Schaub 56:36 Did you hear that phone call from Lyndon B Johnson to, uh-

Joe Rogan 56:38 To the wife?

Guest 56:39 Yeah, pretty crazy.

Brendan Schaub 56:39 ... to the wife like a month later?

Guest 56:40 Pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Bro, we're fighting on site they were fucking, huh? Wasn't that happening-

Brendan Schaub 56:43 I'm gonna give you a slapping.

Joe Rogan 56:44 But that was after, uh, Kennedy was dead.

Brendan Schaub 56:46 Like a month. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:47 After.

Brendan Schaub 56:47 Like a month.

Guest 56:48 A month later.

Brendan Schaub 56:48 He's like, "How you're not gonna say goodbye? Next time I see him, I'll give you a slapping around Christmas." She's like, "You better. I'll wear the rouge," or whatever. He's like, "You better."

Guest 56:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 Well, that's cool.

Brendan Schaub 56:55 Oh, bro.

Joe Rogan 56:56 I think everybody was fucking everybody back then.

Brendan Schaub 56:58 God, good times.

Joe Rogan 56:59 I think they were wild people.

Brendan Schaub 57:00 Yeah.

Guest 57:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:00 Nobody ... There was no social media. No one's a snitch.

Guest 57:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:04 They all just f-

Brendan Schaub 57:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:05 I mean, everybody knew that Kennedy was fucking everybody.

Brendan Schaub 57:07 Everything.

Joe Rogan 57:07 Like, it was all the press knew. Nobody said anything.

Brendan Schaub 57:10 And ML-

Guest 57:10 I mean-

Brendan Schaub 57:10 And MLK.

Guest 57:10 Yeah. Wasn't he ... Didn't he have an affair with Marilyn Monroe?

Brendan Schaub 57:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:14 And the brother did.

Brendan Schaub 57:14 Oh. And-

Joe Rogan 57:15 And the brother.

Guest 57:15 And Marilyn-

Joe Rogan 57:15 She was fucking both brothers, dude.

Brendan Schaub 57:17 Yeah, she was fucking everybody.

Joe Rogan 57:17 In Malibu.

Guest 57:18 And that's a fact.

Brendan Schaub 57:18 True.

Guest 57:18 That's a fact.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah, fact.

Guest 57:20 That's not a conspiracy theory.

Brendan Schaub 57:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Oh, no, fact.

Brendan Schaub 57:21 Fact.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Fact.

Brendan Schaub 57:22 Fact.

Guest 57:23 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 57:23 And that's probably why she died.

Brendan Schaub 57:25 Yeah, nice.

Joe Rogan 57:25 She probably started writing a memoir and they're like, "That's a wrap."

Brendan Schaub 57:28 Yeah, they said, they said the brother, the pillow talk is what fucked her over.

Guest 57:31 (inhales deeply)

Brendan Schaub 57:32 'Cause he'd fill her in, all this shit.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Oh, boy.

Brendan Schaub 57:34 And then John F. Kennedy came and was like, "Bro, what are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 57:37 Really?

Brendan Schaub 57:37 They were both fucking her, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Hilarious. Hilarious.

Guest 57:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:40 People were wild back then.

Brendan Schaub 57:42 Wow, boys. Wow, boys. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:43 No, no accountability. You get away with it. And if you're the president, like that's the reason why the presidents wanted to fuck. Uh, despite rumors and speculations-

Brendan Schaub 57:50 Oh, bullsh-

Joe Rogan 57:50 ... no definitive proof of an affair.

Brendan Schaub 57:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:52 Oh, no proof.

Brendan Schaub 57:53 You ... Was this Google, Jamie?

Joe Rogan 57:55 This is, uh, yeah. Yeah, it's a reputable news source.

Guest 57:58 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 57:58 You didn't see the documentary on Netflix then?

Joe Rogan 58:00 It's definitely no proof. Yeah, I mean, no speculation. Let it go.

Brendan Schaub 58:04 Uh, the, the JFK stuff kinda just confirmed what kind of they label conspiracy theorists. Like, yeah, we've said it was CIA-

Joe Rogan 58:11 God.

Brendan Schaub 58:11 ... Mossad, mafia.

Joe Rogan 58:12 It's gonna take a while for the nerds to really go through it and figure it out.

Brendan Schaub 58:15 Oh, Candace Owens been through it. I bet.

Joe Rogan 58:16 Has she been through it?

Brendan Schaub 58:17 I would assume.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Oh, she's too busy with the Macron thing. I watched two hours of that today.

Brendan Schaub 58:21 Me too. Do ... Have you seen her-

Joe Rogan 58:22 Macron's a man. (hand slaps)

Brendan Schaub 58:25 (laughs)

Guest 58:25 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 58:25 Yeah, Bridget Macron's a man.

Joe Rogan 58:27 She got you.

Brendan Schaub 58:27 Yeah, she got you.

Joe Rogan 58:28 She got me.

Brendan Schaub 58:28 She got you.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Candace got me. She got me hook, line and sinker.

Brendan Schaub 58:30 Dude, I was-

Joe Rogan 58:31 I was, I was eating breakfast today. (smacks lips)

Brendan Schaub 58:32 Yeah, I do the same thing.

Guest 58:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:34 I was eating elk steaks watching Candace Owens on my fucking, on my y- YouTube.

Brendan Schaub 58:38 I love her. Did you see-

Joe Rogan 58:39 I was like, "This is crazy. This is crazy."

Brendan Schaub 58:40 Have you, have you dived into her Har- Harvey Weinstein shit?

Joe Rogan 58:43 Yes. I watched the first episode of that.

Brendan Schaub 58:44 Bro.

Joe Rogan 58:45 Crazy. It's crazy. So like, I can't believe I'm on Harvey Weinstein's side.

Brendan Schaub 58:49 Right?

Joe Rogan 58:50 Crazy. Like, I thought he was, like, guilty of, like, heinous crimes. And then you listen to it and you're like, "Wait, what? What is going on?"

Brendan Schaub 58:57 When they go through the actual affidavit-

Joe Rogan 58:58 Yeah.

Brendan Schaub 58:58 ... like, what the girl's accusing him for. You're like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 59:01 Also, they emailed-

Brendan Schaub 59:01 They didn't have testicles.

Joe Rogan 59:02 ... back and forth with the girl. Yeah, she was talking about his testicles. He doesn't have them.

Brendan Schaub 59:06 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:07 Like, there's all these, like, things that should have been d- that should have, like, completely thrown out a lot of her claims. Like, she was talking about he made me, like, hold his balls or something like that.

Brendan Schaub 59:17 He doesn't have balls.

Joe Rogan 59:17 He doesn't have balls. His balls are, like, literally, like, inside of his thigh.

Brendan Schaub 59:21 When he was, like, 30 years old, they had to get rid of them.

Joe Rogan 59:23 He's got a terrible disease. It's, like, gangrene of the dick.

Brendan Schaub 59:25 Yeah. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Have you ever heard of it?

Guest 59:27 (laughs)

Brendan Schaub 59:28 Never heard of it.

Joe Rogan 59:28 Oh, he's got this crazy disease where your dick is basically, like, rotting off. And which is kinda crazy for a guy who's, like, obviously a sex addict.

Brendan Schaub 59:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 Your dick starts rotting away-

Brendan Schaub 59:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:38 ... and then you still whip it out?

Brendan Schaub 59:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:40 You're whipping out a zombie dick?

Guest 59:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:41 Like, it's a mess. It's a mess.

Guest 59:43 What is that actually called?

Joe Rogan 59:44 Prosecutors revealed to the jury that Weinstein underwent surgery in '99 for foreign neurs gangrene, which required doctors to remove some of his scrotum. That surgery caused a pretty noticeable scar and because of an infection, his testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs. (yawning)

Brendan Schaub 1:00:01 So you go through the, the reports-

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Bro.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:03 ... and they're like, "Yeah, he made me suck on his balls." You're like, "He didn't have balls."

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Well, that's a problem.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:08 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 There's a lot of problems. The lady was a grifter. The lady, allegedly.

Guest 1:00:13 That's brutal.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 And was going back and forth from rich guy to rich guy, trying to get things happening and Harvey put her in a few things. That was Harvey's move, apparently.

Guest 1:00:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 He put you in a few things and ... But, like, Whitney told me that he would make deals with ladies. Like, uh, "Look, suck my dick, I'll get you an Oscar."

Brendan Schaub 1:00:28 Yeah, be a Batman.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 And they would suck his dick.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 And, and he would get him an Oscar. And, like, this was the thing where everybody thanked him. Thank you, Harvey.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:34 That actually happened?

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Yes.

Brendan Schaub 1:00:36 Yeah.... gave an actress an Oscar.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Well, he didn't give him an Oscar. He gave him an Oscar award-winning role in a Miramax film-

Brendan Schaub 1:00:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 ... which is gonna be a blockbuster film, which pretty much gets you real close. And then there's the influence of it being a Harvey Weinstein movie. He was the king at the time, and everybody followed his lead. Like, when, you know, you have big movies like Pulp Fiction and those kinda films that Miramax produced, they produced bangers. You go back and look at the, the Miramax library-

Brendan Schaub 1:01:03 Oh, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 ... banger after banger when Harvey Weinstein was pr- because-

Brendan Schaub 1:01:06 Quentin Tarantino.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Yeah. I mean, it's just like the wildest movies from the wildest dude. You know? Who was clearly a sex addict.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:15 He's like, "If you wanna be a lead in Pulp Fiction, you gotta suck these balls and my thighs." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 (laughs) I mean-

Brendan Schaub 1:01:24 It's fucking wild. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 ... he, he just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If this happened in the '80s, they probably would've thrown it out.

Brendan Schaub 1:01:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 But in the Me Too movement, they were ju- it was a hot witch hunt. There was a lot of people that got in deep shit for almost nothing.