JRE MMA Show #102 with Dustin Poirier

1. 0:02 – 4:31

   Poirier’s rise: big wins, composure, and trusting himself in chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. DPDustin Poirier0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Dustin Poirier, what's up, brother?

   4. DPDustin Poirier0:15

      What's happening, man?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Good to have you here, man.

   6. DPDustin Poirier0:17

      Good to finally be here.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      What does it feel like right now? You're on the top of the world, son.

   8. DPDustin Poirier0:22

      Feels good. You know, e- everybody's asking me that, like... But I, I've been fighting for a while.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Right.

   10. DPDustin Poirier0:27

       So it's just... And it's another win. It's a big, a big one. You know, the guy's such a celebrity, but, uh, just another win.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Well, if you look at your last... The, like, there's a, I think it was an Instagram post or someone put up the, your last victories, all the guys that you've beaten. Like, dude, I mean, you talk about earning your way to the top. I mean, you went through a fucking who's who, a murderer's row of the 155-pound division. I mean, you, you earned it. I mean, you really did earn it.

   12. DPDustin Poirier0:55

       Paid in full.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yeah, 100%, man.

   14. DPDustin Poirier0:58

       Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'm trying to keep adding them, Joe.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       I know.

   16. DPDustin Poirier1:02

       Trying to keep adding them up there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       I know you are.

   18. DPDustin Poirier1:03

       But yeah, I think it's five or six world champions that I beat in the UFC.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   20. DPDustin Poirier1:07

       Yeah. Pettis, Gaethje, Eddie-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Max.

   22. DPDustin Poirier1:10

       ... Max, Conor. Um-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Yeah. Huge.

   24. DPDustin Poirier1:13

       I don't know if there's another one in there, but that's enough.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Those are giant victories, man.

   26. DPDustin Poirier1:17

       Yeah, for sure.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       I mean, the, those... Giant, giant victories.

   28. DPDustin Poirier1:19

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       And for a guy like you who's been at it for a long time, and like you, you just keep getting better. You just keep improving, you just keep adding on. And, and, and more important I think than, or not more important, or as important as any of those things is your composure. Like, your com- your composure now is at the, like the, the top of the heap.

   30. DPDustin Poirier1:38

       Yeah, I'm really comfortable in there. And, and I'm, I trust myself, you know. Even when shit's gonna get bad in there, you know, I, I, I just trust myself to find a way. And I think that comes, comes with fighting at the highest level for as long as I have.
2. 4:31 – 5:23

   Training setup: Louisiana base, ATT camps, and building the right environment

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      Yeah. Now, you are, y- you're living in Louisiana-

   2. DPDustin Poirier4:35

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:35

      ... but you train American Top Team for your fights. Like, how, how l- far out do you go down there?

   4. DPDustin Poirier4:40

      At least eight weeks, I try. Now my fights are bigger, so bef- before, you know, in the past, they would, I would have a fight six weeks' notice. But now the fights are bigger, so there's more buildup, and I usually try to get at least eight weeks.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      And b- in between fights, how do you schedule your workouts? Like, say, like, right now.

   6. DPDustin Poirier4:57

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:57

      Like, you, you win this big fight over Conor. What is y- what is y- what are your workouts like now?

   8. DPDustin Poirier5:01

      So I have a personal gym in Louisiana, and a bunch of my buddies that I grew up with fighting in Louisiana have gyms as well. So I train with their guys and I train with those, um, guys. We'll get together at my gym, just throw something together, or I'll go to one of their classes. And I just stay in the mix with that. Like, um, this Saturday I'm going to Mississippi. We have a local guy who I train with fighting out there. I just stay in the mix. I stay in different gyms working on stuff.

3. 5:23 – 8:31

   Jiu-jitsu lineage and early MMA connections (Tim Prater, Rodrigo Medeiros, Carlson Gracie)

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      Is Allen Belcher's down there?

   2. DPDustin Poirier5:25

      Allen Belcher is in Mississippi.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:26

      He's in Mississippi.

   4. DPDustin Poirier5:26

      Yeah. Yeah, but Tim Prater is in Louisiana at Lafayette.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:29

      Crazy Tim.

   6. DPDustin Poirier5:30

      Nuts. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:31

      I've, I've met that guy in '98, I think, '99, something like that.

   8. DPDustin Poirier5:35

      He's the first, first black belt in, uh, Louisiana.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:37

      Is he really?

   10. DPDustin Poirier5:38

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       Yeah, he was a Machado guy.

   12. DPDustin Poirier5:39

       He's, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       I trained with him at John Jock's.

   14. DPDustin Poirier5:42

       Rodrigo Medeiros.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       That's what he is?

   16. DPDustin Poirier5:44

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       Okay.

   18. DPDustin Poirier5:44

       Yeah, I'm a black belt under Tim.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       So Rodrigo Medeiros under Carlson Gracie?

   20. DPDustin Poirier5:47

       Yes, sir.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       That's right. Okay.

   22. DPDustin Poirier5:48

       Yeah, Carlson Gracie, for sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       Yeah. Well, he was, uh, he was, like, very high level early, early on in the game.

   24. DPDustin Poirier5:55

       Yeah, I think he's picked it up in the Navy out in San Diego or something, he started doing Jiu-jitsu-

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Ah, that makes sense.

   26. DPDustin Poirier5:59

       ... at a young age and then brought it back to Louisiana, and then started choking these Cajuns out, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Yeah, I trained under Rodrigo Medeiros when he was at Carlson's place in, on Hawthorne, in Hollywood. That was, like, when I was a white belt, when I first started in '96.

   28. DPDustin Poirier6:14

       ... long time ago.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       Yeah, back when Vitor was 19 years old and he fought Jon Hess in, uh, in Hawaii.

   30. DPDustin Poirier6:20

       Jacked.
4. 8:31 – 9:52

   Game-planning at ATT: Mike Brown’s approach and week-by-week camp structure

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:31

      So when you get ready for a camp, like say if you get ready for a Conor fight or a Khabib fight or something like that, when you go down to American Top Team, who formulates the game plans? Is it Mike Brown? What-

   2. DPDustin Poirier8:42

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      Yeah?

   4. DPDustin Poirier8:42

      Yeah, he's the mastermind.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:44

      Yeah, he's a good dude, man.

   6. DPDustin Poirier8:45

      He's, and he's this-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      Been around forever too.

   8. DPDustin Poirier8:46

      Yeah, yeah. A pioneer, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:47

      Yep.

   10. DPDustin Poirier8:48

       Uh, fighting over in Bodog and, you know, ev-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:52

       WEC champ.

   12. DPDustin Poirier8:53

       Yeah, WC.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Yeah.

   14. DPDustin Poirier8:53

       Everywhere. He's the man. But, uh, he puts, he puts together my training camp. And I've been fighting for long enough, I kinda self-regulate throughout camp.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Mm-hmm.

   16. DPDustin Poirier9:00

       But Mike Brown puts down the meat and potatoes of, uh, what we need to work on and, and focus on.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       And so when you get down there, like say if... a fight, like a Khabib fight or something like that, you have, like, specific things you wanna work on and specific timelines you wanna get these things in by. Like, how d- how does a eight-week camp get structured? Does you write it out? Do you... does... d- do you have it on a board somewhere? Like, how does that work?

   18. DPDustin Poirier9:22

       We kinda take... Well, the strength and conditioning part is written out, I think, a little bit early, but the, the, uh, technique stuff is week by week. We start... you know, we plan one full week, get through that week, plan the next week, and if it, things are working and moving right, we'll keep it the same for two weeks maybe and then switch it up again. Um, Mike Brown's pretty good at that. He's always coming over to my house, watching footage, um, and plan... and help me plan everything. And he kinda coordinates with the other coaches, like my boxing coach, um, kickboxing coach. He kinda sets up everything and, and runs the whole thing.

5. 9:52 – 12:36

   Conor 2 breakdown: calf kicks, the right hand, and why the technique changed MMA

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      Did you see DC's breakdown in, in detail of-

   2. DPDustin Poirier9:55

      I did.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:55

      ... uh, the second fight versus the first fight-

   4. DPDustin Poirier9:57

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:57

      ... with Conor? Very interesting.

   6. DPDustin Poirier9:59

      It is, but I see a lot of people talking funny stuff about, like, the leg kick didn't knock him out. What happened, like... so DC says in, in the detailed breakdown, uh, I kick Conor's calf and Conor steps back and his leg kinda goes. And DC says, "Well, that's the leg kick that, you know, hurt his leg or whatever." But when he... when... after that leg kick, he kinda reached down to grab the foot and threw an uppercut, and I was switch stance so I threw a cross from my back hand that clipped him good, and that's when he took the step back and was hurt.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:24

      Hmm.

   8. DPDustin Poirier10:25

      Um, I think that's a detail people are missing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:27

      Hmm. But-

   10. DPDustin Poirier10:27

       That right hand.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       Well, you've certainly... you, you landed a lot of solid shots in that fight, but there's no doubt that leg kick was fucking that right leg up.

   12. DPDustin Poirier10:36

       Oh. For sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       But the detail, what I was gonna get over is the, the difference between the first fight and the second fight was you were landing hard leg kicks in the first fight, but you were landing 'em on the thigh, and then it switched over to the calf. What a, what a crazy difference that calf kick has made in MMA over the last few years.

   14. DPDustin Poirier10:52

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:52

       It's really nuts.

   16. DPDustin Poirier10:53

       It is, man. And it, it doesn't take many and it doesn't take as much commitment. You know, a, a, a thigh kick, you're turning your hips over, Muay Thai style.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Mm-hmm.

   18. DPDustin Poirier11:00

       You're really set in your position whipping. This calf kick, you can flick, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:04

       Yeah.

   20. DPDustin Poirier11:04

       You can flick it like a jab and just catch the top of the calf and it's...

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       It's so wild that this one kick was almost ignored. I always give Benson Henderson credit because I think he was the first guy to start using it in the UFC, but for whatever reason, he didn't have the same impact with it. It w- it just... I don't know. I'd have to go-

   22. DPDustin Poirier11:21

       He's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       ... over some fights.

   24. DPDustin Poirier11:22

       Huge legs. I'm sure he kicks hard as-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Yeah.

   26. DPDustin Poirier11:24

       ... well-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       I'm sure he kicks hard as fuck.

   28. DPDustin Poirier11:25

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       But for whatever reason, he wasn't stopping guys with calf kicks. But then along the way, somewhere in the last, what was it? Five, six years or something like that?

   30. DPDustin Poirier11:34

       Yeah, not, maybe not even that far back. Yeah.
6. 12:36 – 32:47

   Extreme weight cuts at 145: near-death stories, water loading, and why it’s ‘sanctioned cheating’

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      But you were such- such a different guy in the second fight, you know? You... First of all, you weren't debilitating yourself getting down to 145 pounds.

   2. DPDustin Poirier12:43

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:43

      I mean, you were a big 145. Like, how- how rough was that cut?

   4. DPDustin Poirier12:48

      It was horrible. And it made me hate the process 'cause my quality of life sucked. You know, training camps were torture, you know. Uh, I would walk around 190.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:59

      Jesus Christ.

   6. DPDustin Poirier12:59

      I'd get up to 190. (laughs) (claps) I'd get up to 190.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:03

      That's so crazy.

   8. DPDustin Poirier13:05

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      Oh, my God. You get up to 190-

   10. DPDustin Poirier13:07

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       ... and go down to 145. 45 fucking pounds?

   12. DPDustin Poirier13:11

       Dude, let me tell you this. When I fought Cub Swanson in London, England, I took it on short notice. And I had just won a fight before, and it was right around Christmas, so I was eating. And when they called me, uh, they asked me my weight and I told them, "Ah, 170." But I was, like, 187 or something.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       (laughs)

   14. DPDustin Poirier13:25

       And it was, like, really short notice.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       (laughs)

   16. DPDustin Poirier13:26

       So, me and my team fly out there. Um, I'm 30 pounds over when we land. You know fight week, they check-

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Bloat? (laughs)

   18. DPDustin Poirier13:31

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Jesus Christ. Oh, my God.

   20. DPDustin Poirier13:35

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       That's so crazy.

   22. DPDustin Poirier13:36

       They check your weight fight week when you show up to make sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Yeah.

   24. DPDustin Poirier13:39

       I was, uh, I was 176 and it was a 45 fight.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       Oh, my God.

   26. DPDustin Poirier13:44

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       But you made it?

   28. DPDustin Poirier13:45

       Made it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       How the fuck did you make that?

   30. DPDustin Poirier13:47

       I don't know. I almost died. I don't... I feel like weigh-ins were kinda blurry. I don't... Like, my memory's gone from weigh-ins. I've... It's- it's not good for you.
7. 32:47 – 38:46

   Weight classes, size advantages, and the arms race of cutting (plus freak athletes examples)

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:47

      For sure. There's a lot of fighters who, having gone up in weight-

   2. DPDustin Poirier32:51

      Sh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:52

      ... have reached their best. Look at that. (coughs) That (laughs) fucking dude.

   4. DPDustin Poirier32:56

      A Greek god.

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:56

      He's ridiculous.

   6. DPDustin Poirier32:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:58

      And his jujitsu is off the charts. What's crazy is when you watch that fight with, uh ... Was it Anthony Hernandez who stopped him?

   8. DPDustin Poirier33:05

      Submitted him, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:05

      Yeah.

   10. DPDustin Poirier33:06

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       Beat the shit out of him and then submitted him. For him, that's just gigantic.

   12. DPDustin Poirier33:09

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:10

       But Vieira was dead by the end of the first round. It didn't even make sense.

   14. DPDustin Poirier33:14

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:15

       And he was trying to figure it out. I was like, "I don't know what happened."

   16. DPDustin Poirier33:17

       I'd like to know what he walks around at, you know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:19

       He looks so big.

   18. DPDustin Poirier33:20

       He used to be in American Top Team actually. He's a big ... Yeah. He's big guy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:23

       I, I gotta think he's well over 210.

   20. DPDustin Poirier33:26

       Yeah. He's, he's-

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:27

       He, he l- that's what he looks like at least.

   22. DPDustin Poirier33:29

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       But that shit has gotta be terrible for you. How the fuck does Paulo Costa do it?

   24. DPDustin Poirier33:33

       I've never seen him in person but he looks huge as well.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:35

       Gigantic.

   26. DPDustin Poirier33:36

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       He's gigantic. You see him in between fights. I mean, he, he literally looks like a heavyweight. It's like, there's two schools of thought, right? There's like the school t- Like, like, Cain Velasquez as a heavyweight when he was in his prime to me was the most impressive heavyweight I've ever seen. And he was, you know, 235, 240.

   28. DPDustin Poirier33:55

       Yeah. I feel like, um, the length might play a little bit o- of part in, in cutting down, you know. Like, for somebody 135 who weighs ... What does a 135-er walk around at you think?

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:10

       Like, 55. Something like that.

   30. DPDustin Poirier34:12

       Yeah.
8. 38:46 – 46:21

   Drug testing realities: USADA wakeups, Bellator commission testing, and the cat-and-mouse game

   1. JRJoe Rogan38:46

      I know. So that was UFC 210, and then he's, he's coming back. And, uh, you know, it's interesting too because, uh, Bellator, they don't have USADA. (laughs)

   2. DPDustin Poirier38:59

      (laughs) They do not.

   3. JRJoe Rogan39:00

      They do not. So there's, uh, there's... They're a little bit looser-

   4. DPDustin Poirier39:04

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan39:05

      ... with, uh... You know, you basically... I think what it is, it's like the old days where you just get tested at the weigh-ins.

   6. DPDustin Poirier39:10

      Sometimes you don't even get tested.

   7. JRJoe Rogan39:12

      Really?

   8. DPDustin Poirier39:12

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan39:13

      When do you not get tested at the weigh-ins?

   10. DPDustin Poirier39:14

       Uh, no it's, it's, uh... So that's just... They go by the athletic commission, whatever that state that the Bellator shows in-

   11. JRJoe Rogan39:19

       Oh.

   12. DPDustin Poirier39:19

       ... that's what it goes by. Just like a, um, small circuit show. Like if the athletic commission's testing then they... You get tested. If not, you don't.

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:27

       Oh, that makes sense.

   14. DPDustin Poirier39:28

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:28

       'Cause there were some dudes that were fighting, I don't wanna mention any names, but I'd look at them like, I'd be like, "Get the fuck out of here."

   16. DPDustin Poirier39:34

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:35

       "Just get the fuck outta here."

   18. DPDustin Poirier39:36

       Most of the time it's post-fight when you get back to your locker room if this... Uh, if the athletic commission in that state's doing tests, then-

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:42

       Yeah.

   20. DPDustin Poirier39:43

       ... they'll test you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan39:43

       But there's some places you could do it, like, like especially if you do it on a Native American reservations, like those fights.

   22. DPDustin Poirier39:50

       Uh-huh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan39:50

       They probably don't test. Why wouldn't they?

   24. DPDustin Poirier39:52

       I know that, uh... Let me think. I think that they do at the Bellator when we go up to Connecticut.

   25. JRJoe Rogan39:58

       Foxwoods?

   26. DPDustin Poirier39:59

       No.

   27. JRJoe Rogan40:00

       The other one?

   28. DPDustin Poirier40:00

       Mohegan Sun.

   29. JRJoe Rogan40:01

       Mohegan Sun?

   30. DPDustin Poirier40:01

       I think they test.
9. 46:21 – 1:03:15

   Hip surgery saga: stem cells, microfracture reshaping, and fighting through chronic pain

   1. DPDustin Poirier46:21

      I think before I'm done fighting, I'm gonna fight at 170.

   2. JRJoe Rogan46:23

      You think so?

   3. DPDustin Poirier46:24

      Yeah, I'll g- I'll go up to, to 170 and fight Nate, for sure.

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:28

      So you would do that now? Yeah. You think that fight's interesting?

   5. DPDustin Poirier46:31

      I do.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:31

      Yeah.

   7. DPDustin Poirier46:32

      Also because the way it fell apart. When we, me and him were supposed to fight in Madison Square Garden.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:37

      Right.

   9. DPDustin Poirier46:37

      And, uh, I kinda was the fall guy. I had to... He gets the point and say I pulled out of the fight, and I did. I wa- I went and got stem cells done on my hip. But I was going, going to fight, I was gonna go through with camp and fight him if they wouldn't have started offering me other, you know, replacement opponents. Nate was playing games with the UFC. UFC started offering me opponents and I said, "Look, guys, if this is happening, I'm just gonna go get my hip taken care of."

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       Right.

   11. DPDustin Poirier46:58

       And, uh, he's a guy I've, I've always wanted to fight.

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       You had a labrum issue, right?

   13. DPDustin Poirier47:03

       I had the, uh, a bunch of bone spurs. My labrum was torn, but it's the head of my femur that was the big problem. It wasn't round anymore.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Oh, wow.

   15. DPDustin Poirier47:11

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       And so what did they do?

   17. DPDustin Poirier47:13

       So the stem cells didn't work 'cause the, you know, stem cells might help connective tissue and, and stuff like that, but it was a, my, the construction like of my-

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:22

       The bone was rubbing against-

   19. DPDustin Poirier47:23

       It was a structural issue, yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:24

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. DPDustin Poirier47:25

       It, stem cells aren't gonna change the shape of your femur.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:27

       Right.

   23. DPDustin Poirier47:27

       So, uh, I went to Vail, Colorado to the Steadman Clinic and they, they fractured my femur-

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:33

       (gasps)

   25. DPDustin Poirier47:34

       ... re-rounded it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:35

       (gasps)

   27. DPDustin Poirier47:35

       Dude, five-hour surgery.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:37

       Whoa.

   29. DPDustin Poirier47:37

       I had to get an epidural. It was nuts.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       They re-rounded it and fractured it? How did they fracture it?
10. 1:03:15 – 1:16:46

    Training longevity: S&C with Phil DeRue, cardio choices, neck work, and sparring philosophy

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

       Now, do you do stuff to strengthen your back? Like, do you do maintenance work in training?

    2. DPDustin Poirier1:03:20

       Yeah, and every train- beginning of every training camp, my strength and conditioning coach, Phil DeRue, kind of gets a base. Like, we build off the base and switch it up in phases throughout the, um, training camp. So the base at the beginning of camp is a lot of, you know, legs, a lot of lifting, heavy stuff.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:35

       That guy's very respected.

    4. DPDustin Poirier1:03:36

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:37

       Highly respected guy.

    6. DPDustin Poirier1:03:38

       Yeah. He's a good dude, man. He's stu- a student. Like, like I said about Mike Brown with fighting, Phil is a student of strength and, and body movement, you know, not just getting strong, but efficient. And he's helped me out a lot with a lot of different hip stuff we do. Um, and he knows my limits as well. So he knows if I run a bunch of sprints, I'm gonna be banged up for the rest of the week. So we've just called audibles on a lot of different things we do. And, and he's really ... He's helped me out a lot, man.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:03

       What have you done, like, when, in, in terms of, like, um, supplementary exercises when you ... if you can't do sprints and you're trying to develop explosive endurance? Do you ... What do you ... How do you do it? Like, what are you ... What's your, your standard cardio stuff?

    8. DPDustin Poirier1:04:16

       We do a lot of Aerodyne stuff.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:17

       Okay.

    10. DPDustin Poirier1:04:17

        I do a lot of swimming myself. And then I use my actual training, honestly, as, as ... a lot of, um, cardio stuff, like my sparring rounds, my hard wrestling rounds every Monday. That's, you know, that's cardio.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:29

        For sure.

    12. DPDustin Poirier1:04:29

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

        Yeah.

    14. DPDustin Poirier1:04:30

        And the best way you can get it, getting the muscles tired that you're going to use, getting your heart rate up. Um, I like to do that. I like to use my training a- as my conditioning. I don't do a whole lot of extra things for conditioning. Like I said, Aerodyne bike here and there, sprints, but we don't do anything crazy or really focus on cardio. And I think naturally I have a little bit of a gift with, with ... And everybody's different. My cardio, even off the couch, I'm pretty, pretty good.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:53

        Do you ... Uh, so the stuff that you do with Phil DeRue, is that more, um, strength stuff?

    16. DPDustin Poirier1:05:00

        Strength stuff and, uh, accessory works. Like, keep my shoulders healthy, my hips healthy, um, my flexibility, stuff like that. But at the beginning, the first phase is, is strength. We get a base, and then we kind of start branching off every week after, after that.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:14

        And so when you said that he does stuff to, to keep your body healthy, like, do you do stuff specifically to work your back muscles to keep from being injured?

    18. DPDustin Poirier1:05:25

        I'm not sure.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:26

        'Cause that seems like a big issue with MMA fighters.

    20. DPDustin Poirier1:05:28

        Neck.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:28

        Is their back and neck, yeah.

    22. DPDustin Poirier1:05:29

        Yeah, neck.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:29

        How's your neck?

    24. DPDustin Poirier1:05:30

        It's ... Uh, my neck's fine.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:31

        Yeah?

    26. DPDustin Poirier1:05:31

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:32

        Nothing? Crazy.

    28. DPDustin Poirier1:05:33

        I mean, every now and then I have a crick in it, in it, or not a crick, but like a, a ... I'll jam it in wrestling, you know-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:37

        Mm-hmm.

    30. DPDustin Poirier1:05:38

        ... shooting a double leg can get my head jammed back, and then I'm sore for a few days, but nothing serious.

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