JRE MMA Show #103 with Max Holloway

1. 0:00 – 3:46

   Texas deep freeze chaos: iced roads, power outages, and delayed travel

   1. MHMax Holloway0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) And we're rolling with the Blessed Express. What's up?

   4. MHMax Holloway0:16

      My man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (laughs) Good to see you, my friend.

   6. MHMax Holloway0:18

      My man. What's up? Good seeing you out there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      How's- how's things?

   8. MHMax Holloway0:20

      Things are good, you know. I just ... How's things with you? I heard like pipes are busting in heat and all that kind of stuff. You guys good?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Yeah. It's pretty ... It was pretty wild out here a week ago. And then it was 80 two days ago. Doesn't make any sense.

   10. MHMax Holloway0:30

       Ah, just-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       So a week ago it was frozen solid, and then a week later, 80 degrees.

   12. MHMax Holloway0:36

       Ah, Mother Nature, she's- she's cruel at sometimes. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah. But well, Texas gets weather, you know. It's very different in California with- California never rains and basically like once a year you get a little bit of rain and that's it. Here you get thunderstorms and you get lightning and, you know, and it gets cold as fuck sometimes. But this was real unusual.

   14. MHMax Holloway0:56

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Like once every 120 years or something.

   16. MHMax Holloway0:59

       Yeah. I know. It just ... I know. I was- I was tripping out. I was like ... When I saw everything happening and then my- my agent ... 'Cause last week we were supposed to come through.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Yeah.

   18. MHMax Holloway1:06

       And he said like, "Oh, it's getting pushed back. It's getting pushed back." And I was like ... I was ... And then he- I was like ... I look at the weather shit and I was like, "Texas don't ever get this kinda weather. What the hell is going on?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       (laughs)

   20. MHMax Holloway1:15

       I thought I was wrong. (laughs) I was like, "Do I not follow up with the weather in Texas?" Like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Dude, it was crazy. The roads, it ... First of all, it was 32 degrees and raining, so it's just at the time where it freezes, but not quite.

   22. MHMax Holloway1:27

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       It didn't quite freeze, so ... And then it got really cold at night, so all the roads were covered in ice.

   24. MHMax Holloway1:32

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Everywhere.

   26. MHMax Holloway1:33

       Black, black ice. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Yes.

   28. MHMax Holloway1:33

       That one that, uh ... I saw that one that, uh, got, uh, 100, like had a 100 car pileup-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Mm-hmm.

   30. MHMax Holloway1:38

       ... somewhere over here.
2. 3:46 – 5:20

   Apocalypse prep talk: trucks, ranch fantasies, and emergency food

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      Well, I have a truck that's built for this shit too. I have a Land Cruiser.

   2. MHMax Holloway3:49

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      I got a Toyota ... A 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser, like a apocalypse vehicle.

   4. MHMax Holloway3:53

      Yeah?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      With a 40-gallon gas tank and big tires and it's lifted.

   6. MHMax Holloway3:56

      And that's after the- the two football field bunker underneath your house wherever you live, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      (laughs)

   8. MHMax Holloway4:00

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      I need to get that. That's th- That's probably my next move. I need to get a ranch and some sort of sustainable environment.

   10. MHMax Holloway4:06

       Uh-oh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       It just seems like, uh, the more th- shit gets weird in the world, whether it's COVID or- or this or, you know, whatever could be next, like you- you gotta have enough food and water so you could stay alive for a while.

   12. MHMax Holloway4:20

       Yeah. They said that ... What was that? What- what is that show? There's a show on TV, right? The disaster people, whatever, people-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Preppers?

   14. MHMax Holloway4:26

       Yeah, yeah. Uh, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Yeah.

   16. MHMax Holloway4:26

       ... apocalypse people, like the ... Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       Mm-hmm.

   18. MHMax Holloway4:29

       Doom day preppers.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Yes. Yeah.

   20. MHMax Holloway4:30

       That's what they called and like what they had- they have like ... They says like, I think so the minimum is to have like one and a half to two years' worth so you-

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       (laughs)

   22. MHMax Holloway4:39

       ... so you know you got- I'm like, "What the?" (laughs) Whoa.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       That's so crazy.

   24. MHMax Holloway4:42

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Well, they have that dried f- I have some dried food for like hunting, like backpacking food, like, you know, like it's, uh, freeze-dried or dehydrated. I have some of that stuff. That's in my house too, so if worst came to worst we could eat that for a few months.

   26. MHMax Holloway4:55

       Yeah. You'll be all right, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       Yeah.

   28. MHMax Holloway4:57

       I mean-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       You'll survive.

   30. MHMax Holloway4:57

       I mean, you'll be all right. You're like a caveman. You're like a modern day caveman that came from the moon or something, so you'll be fine too.
3. 5:20 – 10:47

   Nature in extreme cold: frozen wildlife, wood frogs, and “water bears”

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      A lot of them froze to death.

   2. MHMax Holloway5:22

      Oh, for real?

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      Yeah. A lot of them froze to death. My friend has, uh, a buddy who owns a ranch in South Texas and they have this animal on there called a nilgai.

   4. MHMax Holloway5:32

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      A nilgai is an Asian animal. I think it's from India. It's a huge antelope, like the size of an elk.

   6. MHMax Holloway5:37

      Oh, nice.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      And they- they found 63 of them frozen to death on his, uh, ranch.

   8. MHMax Holloway5:43

      Oh, that's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      So far. They're still- they're still finding them.

   10. MHMax Holloway5:45

       I know off- uh, before you came I was talking to a security guard and, uh, and the other boy out there and they was like ... I was telling him like I saw a possum. I saw a video. Like there's a video that goes viral like of a possum climbing up the fence and he froze like in Texas somewhere, like it froze on the fence. And I was like, "Holy shit. That's how cold it gets," you know. Like people don't understand that this possum ... And then we was talking about-Does the possum live after-

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       What?

   12. MHMax Holloway6:09

       ... it's unfrozen?

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       Fucking-

   14. MHMax Holloway6:10

       'Cause they know how to play, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       I don't think s- is this it?

   16. MHMax Holloway6:13

       There it is. There it is.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       Is he de- oh, shit.

   18. MHMax Holloway6:16

       He's frozen.

   19. NANarrator6:16

       Frozen as shit. (laughs)

   20. MHMax Holloway6:18

       He's frozen.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       That's crazy, with like ... He's frozen in the middle of climbing a fence covered in icicles.

   22. MHMax Holloway6:23

       Co- cu- Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       It looks like he got his leg stuck. You see that? Look at his right leg, see how it's poked through?

   24. MHMax Holloway6:29

       Oh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Yeah. He might've got his leg stuck and then it was too cold to figure out a way to get out of it. Wow, that's dark.

   26. MHMax Holloway6:37

       How crazy, though. Th- but does it just, you know, like, they-

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       No.

   28. MHMax Holloway6:40

       ... they, they like playing dead, no?

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Uh-uh.

   30. MHMax Holloway6:41

       No, not at all?
4. 10:47 – 12:22

   Hawaii’s invasive animals and wild pet rumors (wallabies to gorillas)

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:47

      Well, you live in Hawaii, which is a really interesting place, right? Because there's a lot of nonnative animals that have been introduced to Hawaii, like-

   2. MHMax Holloway10:54

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:54

      ... pigs and a lot of weird birds and a lot of-

   4. MHMax Holloway10:57

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:57

      ... a lot of weird rodents and plants and all kinds of shit.

   6. MHMax Holloway11:00

      We got a ... We got a, um ... The weird thing that we think is a wallaby. I think it's from-

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:04

      You guys have wallabys now?

   8. MHMax Holloway11:05

      Yeah, how crazy is that, right? They've ... You don't-

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:06

      From Australia?

   10. MHMax Holloway11:07

       Y- you don't see 'em, but i- they're little kangaroos, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Yeah.

   12. MHMax Holloway11:10

       They're just like little kangaroo- yeah. We have wallabys on our ... I- and it's like, "How the fuck did you get here?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       (laughs)

   14. MHMax Holloway11:15

       But they're not, like, crazy. They're not even ... You're out and you see it. They like ... They're very mysterious. Like, they pop up here and there when people are hiking in the mountains.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       Yeah?

   16. MHMax Holloway11:22

       But it's like, a wallaby, bro. Like, how the hell they-

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Wow.

   18. MHMax Holloway11:25

       I don't know how they traveled there. Maybe they ... I mean, Australia's surfing and whatever, they just jump on and like, "F- I'm outta here."

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       I think probably somebody had it as a pet, if I had to guess.

   20. MHMax Holloway11:34

       Yeah, I, I'm sure. I'm sure. I'd, uh ... You hear of a bunch of illegal pets that people have in Hawaii. It's just-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:39

       Oh, yeah.

   22. MHMax Holloway11:39

       ... it's just mind-blowing, you know. I'm like, "What the f- ..." Like, I'd ... I heard stories of people having like, um, gorillas and shit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:46

       What?

   24. MHMax Holloway11:46

       Bamboos. I'm like, "What? How the fuck do they-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Gorillas?

   26. MHMax Holloway11:48

       Yeah. Like, "How the hell do you have this?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       (laughs)

   28. MHMax Holloway11:50

       I don't know if people bullsh- I never saw 'em.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       (laughs)

   30. MHMax Holloway11:53

       People could be bullshitting, but I'm like, "I'm not gonna put it past that-" I, I saw more crazier stuff.
5. 12:22 – 15:21

   Why you don’t keep chimps: attacks, intelligence, and “Planet of the Apes” fears

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:22

      Well, I think they're trying to limit people's ability to own primates in America, 'cause, uh, you know a- a- a ... I'm sure you heard about that story about the lady in Connecticut who, uh, kept a pet chimpanzee and then it attacked her friend and tore her face off.

   2. MHMax Holloway12:35

      No, I did not. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      Oh, it's a crazy story because-

   4. MHMax Holloway12:38

      That's what you get.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      ... this lady kind of had a relationship with this chimp, which is s-

   6. MHMax Holloway12:42

      Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like what kind of (laughs) relationship we talking about?

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:45

      Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

   8. MHMax Holloway12:45

      You know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:46

      That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, she was sleeping in the bed with this chimp. The chimp drank wine and, and, and took Xanax.

   10. MHMax Holloway12:52

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       She was feeding the chimp Xanax. And, uh, the lady's friend came over and the chimp attacked the lady's friend.

   12. MHMax Holloway13:00

       Is it a guy?

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       No, a woman.

   14. MHMax Holloway13:01

       A woman friend.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:02

       I think the lady was probably cock blocking.

   16. MHMax Holloway13:04

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:04

       And the chimp was like, "Fuck all this."

   18. MHMax Holloway13:06

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       And just tore her apart.

   20. MHMax Holloway13:09

       I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but that's-

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:10

       It's horrible.

   22. MHMax Holloway13:11

       ... that's wild, that's wild.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:11

       It was a big chimp, too. And she-

   24. MHMax Holloway13:13

       They're smart. Like what do-

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       Oh, yeah.

   26. MHMax Holloway13:15

       What, what don't you ... Chimps b- like, we come, like, they say we evolutioned from those guys.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Right.

   28. MHMax Holloway13:20

       And they're like ... I know some, like, you see what the, the scientists are doing with these chimps or gorillas or whatever they do, you know, and like, like these guys are smart. Like y- you can talk to 'em.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       Yeah.

   30. MHMax Holloway13:30

       They talk back. They, some of 'em know sign language. It's like-
6. 15:21 – 18:36

   Elon Musk and brain-tech: Neuralink, mind-control gaming, and no-word conversations

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      ... and shit. Yeah. Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink ... Ah, fucking, they got us with this goddamn ... You gotta shut that ad blocker off, son. You gotta just give in to the w- to the network. (laughs) Elon Musk says his startup Neuralink has wired up a monkey to play video games using its mind.

   2. MHMax Holloway15:36

      Exactly.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      See? He's, he's gonna start-

   4. MHMax Holloway15:38

      He's, he's already ahead. He's already ahead.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:39

      He's gonna start the war. (laughs)

   6. MHMax Holloway15:40

      He's already ahead. He's already ... Hey, you fucking watch Iron Man?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      Yeah.

   8. MHMax Holloway15:45

      You watch Iron Man?

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:45

      Yeah.

   10. MHMax Holloway15:45

       Iron Man played both sides too at one point, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Oh.

   12. MHMax Holloway15:48

       And fucking Elon was in the fucking Iron Man, one of 'em, so I don't know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Well, he's creating this Neuralink thing where-

   14. MHMax Holloway15:55

       Yeah, I, I saw. I heard, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       ... you know that? They're gonna put wires into people's brains and he told me they're ... You're gonna be able to talk with no words.

   16. MHMax Holloway16:02

       To your mind?

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       He's gonna be able ... Like you and I could sit here.

   18. MHMax Holloway16:04

       Yeah. And just have a con-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       And we're gonna have a conversation with no words.

   20. MHMax Holloway16:06

       I mean, you can kind of do that with, like, the love of your life sometimes, you know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. MHMax Holloway16:11

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah, like you know each other, yeah?

   24. MHMax Holloway16:15

       That's crazy.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       But I think you're gonna be able to have, like, full conversations.

   26. MHMax Holloway16:20

       But a- yeah. Fucking Elon is a fucking ... He's something else.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       Yeah. He's pro-

   28. MHMax Holloway16:24

       The man is something. He prob- he's probably one of those freaking parasites that jumped on-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       (laughs)

   30. MHMax Holloway16:28

       ... that jumped on the stuff, uh, uh, on one of the guys from the moon. They came back and he just evolutionized himself. He just kept going. He's like, "Oh, what is this amino acid? What is this? What is this? Oh."
7. 18:36 – 25:46

   Pressure and performance: gym killers, fight-night panic, and empty-arena UFC

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:36

      Right? Isn't that, that's the thing with fighting too, right? Like, some guy... That's probably why some guys are really good at the gym where there's no panic. You know, you know each other real well. They can spar. They move real good. But then the panic of a fight-

   2. MHMax Holloway18:48

      It's them lights.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:49

      ... limits-

   4. MHMax Holloway18:49

      Yeah, it's them lights, you know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      Yeah. Them lights.

   6. MHMax Holloway18:51

      Ah, I mean, I mean, you hear about it all the time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:53

      Yeah.

   8. MHMax Holloway18:53

      I'm sure you heard about it 100 million times-

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:55

      Yeah.

   10. MHMax Holloway18:56

       ... about this guy's like, "Oh my God, this guy's a killer in the gym."

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       Oh, yeah.

   12. MHMax Holloway18:59

       "He's a freaking killer." And then when you go out there, everybody's looking at you and like, "Thought he was a killer. Where the hell this killer go?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:07

       I knew a guy like that in jujitsu. When I was a blue belt, there was this kid who was a black belt and man he was fucking good. But he would panic in tournaments and it didn't make any sense. Like, you would roll with him and he would just have his way with people. He was so good, so talented. And, uh, my instructor was, uh, uh, really high on this guy. He's like, "Man, I'm telling you, like, if you could just get your head together." Like, and then I was like, "What's wrong with his head?" And they were like, "Oh, when he, when he competes, he just, he panics."

   14. MHMax Holloway19:33

       Uh-huh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:33

       I'm like, "He's so good."

   16. MHMax Holloway19:34

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       And it's just jujitsu.

   18. MHMax Holloway19:35

       That's crazy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       It's not even getting hit.

   20. MHMax Holloway19:37

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       But for whatever reason, when he would get out there, he would, he would just, he wouldn't, couldn't perform and he would fall apart, he'd get tired real easy.

   22. MHMax Holloway19:45

       It was like the, it was like, uh, uh, when the pandemic first had happened and then, uh, UFC continued to do fights for us. And I was telling everybody, you can find out who the real fighters is right now because like, you know, some people, some real fighters can't ... Like, you know, some guys, they're showmen and they need that crowd and they need the, "Let's go."

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       Yeah.

   24. MHMax Holloway20:03

       Blah, blah, blah. Like, I told myself, like, this is like a alley street fight now.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:07

       Yeah.

   26. MHMax Holloway20:07

       That we fight. No one's there.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:08

       Yes. Yeah.

   28. MHMax Holloway20:08

       You gonna fight the blood, you gonna fight the, who is a true blood, the fucking, you know, the guys that-

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:13

       Yeah.

   30. MHMax Holloway20:13

       Bloodsport kind of, or kickbox where you got, like, the glass on top of your knuckles.
8. 25:46 – 27:39

   COVID experiences and Max’s lockdown life: streaming, Warzone, and pro gamers

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:46

      When, when you first started, uh, when the f- the, the pandemic fir- first of all, did you get COVID at all?

   2. MHMax Holloway25:51

      No. No, no, no.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:51

      Never?

   4. MHMax Holloway25:52

      I didn't.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:52

      Never?

   6. MHMax Holloway25:52

      Did y- yeah, no. Did you?

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:54

      No. No.

   8. MHMax Holloway25:55

      No? No, I didn't.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:56

      No.

   10. MHMax Holloway25:56

       I w- I w-

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:57

       I've been around a lot of people that got it.

   12. MHMax Holloway25:58

       Yeah, yeah. I was, I was just smart about it. I was, I was staying home. I f- fell back in love with playing video games. I was just asking about when-

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       Yeah.

   14. MHMax Holloway26:04

       ... you're playing video games. I was streaming on, uh, Facebook Gaming now, so I just been home, bro. I've been loving it, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:10

       You're a video game fiend.

   16. MHMax Holloway26:11

       I lo- I love, I love video games, bro. I li- I love, uh... Modern Warfare right now, that Call of Duty: Warzone is, like, the crazy thing right now. And then being a, being who I am and what I do, I get to play with some big time players, so it's just, it's fucking exciting, man. It's fun.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       So do you get to play with professional gamers? Is that your dream?

   18. MHMax Holloway26:27

       Yeah, some professional gamers.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:28

       Oh, wow.

   20. MHMax Holloway26:28

       Yeah, I got, I got this, uh, this... My man named Tommy. I got to... I don't know if you know Nick Merce, Tim the Fatman-

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       No.

   22. MHMax Holloway26:34

       Uh, uh, Tim, Tim, Tim the Fatman.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:35

       (laughs)

   24. MHMax Holloway26:35

       Tim the Tatman. I called him Tim.

   25. NANarrator26:37

       That's gotta go.

   26. MHMax Holloway26:38

       Tim, I'm sorry, Tim. (laughs)

   27. NANarrator26:38

       That's a clip.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:39

       (laughs)

   29. MHMax Holloway26:39

       I'm sorry, Tim.

   30. NANarrator26:40

       (laughs)
9. 27:39 – 33:42

   Cheating, anti-cheat systems, and why fast shooters feel addictive

   1. MHMax Holloway27:39

      So fun. It's like a... They need to anti-cheat though. Come on. Come on, Raven Software, get your anti-cheat up.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:44

      Oh, is it cheats?

   3. MHMax Holloway27:45

      Yeah, bro, people fucking, fucking Jackie Chan's and Bruce Lee's.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:49

      Ah. There's always a problem with video games and, and bots, right? Where dudes figure out a way at aiming bots and all kinds of different cheats where they can see through walls.

   5. MHMax Holloway27:58

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:58

      Is that what they're doing?

   7. NANarrator27:59

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, wall, wall hacks and yeah, all that shit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:01

      So how do they, uh, stop something like that? Do they have to just update the code?

   9. MHMax Holloway28:05

      There is like a... Like, the Raven Software, they got, they gotta do that. I, I think it's coding.

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:10

       Coding? Yeah.

   11. MHMax Holloway28:11

       Yeah, I know, like, I know on a, on a, on a console, when you get caught cheating, they can pretty much ban your console from ever going online again, you know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:21

       Oh.

   13. MHMax Holloway28:21

       Like, that kind of stuff. And then, like, that's why PC gaming is super hard with it. But I saw, like, uh, what is that? Counter-Strike. I saw Counter-Strike. They got the funniest game, uh, for how to catch cheaters. Like, you go around a corner, you start, start shooting, like, you start dropping all your weapons and stuff. It's so funny. It's like, oh my God, like, Call of Duty needs some of that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       So, how, explain what happens. You go ar-... Like, it... The person who's cheating, did they start dropping their weapons?

   15. MHMax Holloway28:46

       Yeah, so like, there's a place in the map in Counter-Strike that it said... I was la- I was just looking up, like, how the softwares work, that's why.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:51

       Uh-huh.

   17. MHMax Holloway28:51

       And I think so, it was Counter-Strike, but there's a place in the map where he go around the corner, he starts to shoot, and then your weapons just get thrown out, like you're throwing your weapon down or it keeps getting have to reload. Like, it just kee- like, doing an animation where it just fucks with you in the games, uh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       Oh, so that's only for cheaters?

   19. MHMax Holloway29:06

       So for cheaters, yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       So, like, they have it set up so that if you are a cheater and you get to this spot in the map, you're-

   21. MHMax Holloway29:10

       Oh, yeah, you're gonna, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:12

       ... you're just gonna go haywire.

   23. MHMax Holloway29:12

       Yeah, yeah, they see the, yeah, they see the s- software.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:14

       Ah.

   25. MHMax Holloway29:14

       It's so cool. I was like...

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:15

       Oh.

   27. MHMax Holloway29:15

       I mean, Call of Duty needs that. Imagine getting in a gunfight and you fucking just drop your weapon. It'd be so funny.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:20

       (laughs) Well, Counter-Strike, f- cor- correct me if I'm wrong, it started with Half-Life, right?

   29. MHMax Holloway29:25

       Yep.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       Half-Life is a wild game. You ever play Half-Life?
10. 33:42 – 37:51

    VR boxing, Dana White’s cardio, and crossover boxing spectacle talk

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       Have you ever fucked with Oculus Rift or any of those, uh, virtual reality games?

    2. MHMax Holloway33:46

       Actually, talking about it, it's weird. Oculus actually gonna send me something. You see Dana White's old ass?

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:50

       Yeah.

    4. MHMax Holloway33:50

       He was huffing and puffing yesterday.

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:52

       (laughs)

    6. MHMax Holloway33:53

       He's like, he's like, "These guys, it's not an ad. I'm really saying this for myself."

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:56

       Yeah.

    8. MHMax Holloway33:57

       He's all tired. And then I wrote to 'em and Oculus wrote to me after, after they sent, wrote to, uh, write... They actually wrote to me and I replied to 'em and they said they're gonna send me one. So I'm excited. I can't wait.

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:06

       They're very good. You can get a good workout in with those boxing games. They're cool too.

    10. MHMax Holloway34:09

        They're cool.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:09

        'Cause when you get hit, you see a flash of light.

    12. MHMax Holloway34:12

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:12

        Like, this is the screen lights up l-

    14. MHMax Holloway34:13

        Yeah, like, the sun. Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:14

        Like, you see the, the boxing glove-

    16. MHMax Holloway34:15

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:15

        ... come at you and a, a light flashes, like, like you got hit, so you feel-

    18. MHMax Holloway34:19

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:19

        ... like, "Oh, shit."

    20. MHMax Holloway34:19

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:19

        "I got hit."

    22. MHMax Holloway34:20

        I mean, it's funny watching those videos, you know, the reaction videos of the kids playing the games and they're, like, running towards it-

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:27

        Yeah.

    24. MHMax Holloway34:27

        ... "Oh," and they're running into the screen-

    25. JRJoe Rogan34:28

        Yeah.

    26. MHMax Holloway34:29

        ... or they're jumping.

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:29

        Look at Dana. (laughs)

    28. MHMax Holloway34:30

        Look at Dana's tight. Look at-

    29. JRJoe Rogan34:31

        He's huffing and puffing.

    30. MHMax Holloway34:32

        Yeah. It's boxing where you're going in- Look, he's so tired. ... with all these little hand things over there.
11. 37:51 – 40:30

    Boxing talent and payday economics: Crawford, Lopez vs. Loma, and Triller money

    1. MHMax Holloway37:51

       But T-Bud is a, a Terence Crawford. He was a-

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:54

       He could wrestle.

    3. MHMax Holloway37:55

       ... he was a wrestler.

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:55

       Yes.

    5. MHMax Holloway37:55

       In Omaha.

    6. JRJoe Rogan37:56

       Yes.

    7. MHMax Holloway37:57

       So, and that leads to, leads to-

    8. JRJoe Rogan37:58

       And his son's all wrestlers too.

    9. MHMax Holloway37:59

       Yeah, yeah. Dave's wrestling right now. It was funny.

    10. JRJoe Rogan38:01

        And T-Bud is so complex.

    11. MHMax Holloway38:03

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan38:04

        Like he could switch stances.

    13. MHMax Holloway38:05

        He switched st- He's a switch fighter. Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan38:06

        Just as good from southpaw as orthodox.

    15. MHMax Holloway38:08

        Yeah. And, and he got power power, so ...

    16. JRJoe Rogan38:10

        If anybody wanted to fight in MMA and fuck people up-

    17. MHMax Holloway38:11

        I think it would be him.

    18. JRJoe Rogan38:12

        ... it would be him.

    19. MHMax Holloway38:13

        I think it would be him, yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan38:14

        Yeah. But he's making so much money in boxing, why would he do that?

    21. MHMax Holloway38:16

        Yeah, why? Yeah, why? Did you not just see, like, some of the boxers, you see like, uh, uh, Teofimo Lopez, just what bid they got?

    22. JRJoe Rogan38:22

        Mm-hmm.

    23. MHMax Holloway38:22

        From Triller? It's just stupid money.

    24. JRJoe Rogan38:24

        What'd he get?

    25. MHMax Holloway38:25

        They- The bid was like 6.2, uh, $6.0 million on the fight that he got coming up.

    26. JRJoe Rogan38:31

        Really?

    27. MHMax Holloway38:31

        Yeah, and he's, and he's getting like six- 70 or 60 something percent.

    28. JRJoe Rogan38:35

        Good for him. Good for him.

    29. MHMax Holloway38:35

        Yeah, he's getting like four million, I think, from it. It's like, that's what's up.

    30. JRJoe Rogan38:38

        Listen, man, that guy beat the guy who-
12. 40:30 – 44:20

    Max’s UFC evolution and the Calvin Kattar masterpiece: ‘best boxer in the UFC’ moment

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       Yeah. I remember when you were fighting in the UFC, first fight in the UFC, you were, what are you, 20?

    2. MHMax Holloway40:34

       I was 20. I was 20.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:35

       That was wild.

    4. MHMax Holloway40:35

       Yeah, it was crazy, that was crazy. That was, that was good fun. That was a good, fun time.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:39

       Isn't it crazy looking back now? You're, you're a, a veteran, world champion veteran, and you come back and think about when you were 20 years old, when you first fought in the UFC, h- it just, time keeps rolling, you keep getting better.

    6. MHMax Holloway40:53

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:53

       Keep having more experiences.

    8. MHMax Holloway40:55

       That's the, that's the whole thing, you know? It was funny. I mean, we talked about it last time I was on here. And, uh, we just talk about how everybody is like, yeah, this young new contender, this young new lion coming up. I'm like, motherfuckers, I'm the youngest guy in the division, I'm 29 years old. Relax, like, you know?

    9. JRJoe Rogan41:10

       (laughs) Is that crazy? That is crazy.

    10. MHMax Holloway41:11

        Yeah, like, uh, like, uh, I remember the, the Ortega fight was tough, and then-

    11. JRJoe Rogan41:15

        Yeah.

    12. MHMax Holloway41:15

        ... even this fight, there was like a new, a new young hungry contender with Kattar, they were saying.

    13. JRJoe Rogan41:19

        Yeah.

    14. MHMax Holloway41:20

        But Kattar is the one that was like, uh, like he actually said the age thing, you know?

    15. JRJoe Rogan41:23

        Yeah.

    16. MHMax Holloway41:24

        I didn't know Kattar was that old either. But, um, he said the age thing and then he was like, "Oh, a freshman" and whatever, and I was like, fu- "Finally, someone calling me some type of freshman or something. Thank you, Kattar."

    17. JRJoe Rogan41:33

        He said you were a freshman, he's a senior, right?

    18. MHMax Holloway41:35

        Yeah, that's what he said.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:36

        Yeah.

    20. MHMax Holloway41:36

        He said, that's what, uh, it was funny 'cause when I was sitting down, I was like, okay.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:39

        That was a crazy fight, man. That was, in my opinion, like, one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen in my entire career.

    22. MHMax Holloway41:45

        That was, that was my favorite fight of all time, man.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:47

        Of all the fights I've ever called, that, I mean, uh, watching fights, you know, seeing, seeing fights since I was a kid. There's, there's something about that fight where it seemed like you came into your own in that fight in a way, like you ... First of all, Calvin Katter, that guy is a super dangerous guy.

    24. MHMax Holloway42:04

        Monster. Monster.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:04

        Super dangerous. Some of the best hands in the sport.

    26. MHMax Holloway42:07

        Monster.

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:07

        And for you to outbox him the way you did, and just to put it on him round after round after round, and then in the final round when you're talking shit and you were pointing over to the UFC matchmakers like-

    28. MHMax Holloway42:19

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:19

        ... "I'm the best boxer in MMA." And he's throwing punches at you-

    30. MHMax Holloway42:22

        Yeah.
13. 44:20 – 57:31

    Training without sparring: Zoom camps, controlled drilling, and protecting the brain

    1. MHMax Holloway44:20

       Not at all. Zero.

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:21

       Tell me about that.

    3. MHMax Holloway44:22

       I had, um ... I had, uh, the fir- the second Volkanovski fight, the first, uh, Fight Island fight, we couldn't. We could not move. Like people were like ... I, I did my training on Zoom and people was like, "You're fucking lying," and blah, blah, blah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:35

       A lot of people did think you were lying.

    5. MHMax Holloway44:36

       I was like this and that. I'm like-

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:37

       I thought you were lying.

    7. MHMax Holloway44:38

       Yeah. But how ... I, I couldn't. Like I'm not gonna try and meet with these coaches, with these guys, and like get busted, you know? Especially who I am, you know, like there was people breaking protocols and like there was like Hawaii famous people or, or famous people that was flying into Hawaii that was breaking the, uh, the mandate of like going around or whatever, you know, the COVID protocols. And, uh, they was getting arrested. I was like, "Fuck, I can't be getting arrested before my fight." This is some crazy shit. So we did, we did that. I did spar, I felt great.

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:05

       Now when you did that though, how do you do Zoom workouts? Like how, how did you organize that?

    9. MHMax Holloway45:09

       I had, I had mats at home, and then we'd Zoom and then like, uh, one of my coaches would ... we'd get online and do stuff. And I had a bag at home and I would hit the bag and stuff, do drills and this and that, and add weights and stuff. I was lifting weights.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:20

        So no grappling at all?

    11. MHMax Holloway45:21

        No, no grappling into fight week.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:23

        No grappling, no, no pads?

    13. MHMax Holloway45:26

        No nothing. No nothing until fight week, at all.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:28

        Just hitting the bag?

    15. MHMax Holloway45:29

        Yeah. So I-

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:30

        So what did you do for conditioning?

    17. MHMax Holloway45:31

        And, and, and le- I would say I got to lift weights. I went to, I went to a friend's house that had weights and stuff or my ... not a friend's, my strike- my strength and conditioning coach's house. He actually have, uh, some place that he had a little spot for us in his garage, and that's what I would go. You know, everybody else, uh, everybody else had like kids and stuff and they was like worried words. So I was like, "You know, I ain't gonna be mad about everything going on." So we, we figured out a way.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:52

        It's interesting the way people look at COVID then versus the way they look at it now.

    19. MHMax Holloway45:56

        It's a bit easier.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:56

        Back then they ... everybody thought we were all gonna die.

    21. MHMax Holloway45:58

        (laughs) Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:59

        Like, you know?

    23. MHMax Holloway46:00

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan46:00

        Like everybody was worried like a lot of us were gonna die, and now everybody's like, "I don't wanna get sick."

    25. MHMax Holloway46:04

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:04

        But that's it.

    27. MHMax Holloway46:05

        Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just don't want to get sick 'cause the ... I heard it's just like flu-like symptoms, you know, and then-

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:09

        Depends on who it is.

    29. MHMax Holloway46:10

        And now it's ... Yeah, and now-

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:10

        You know, Dustin had it and he didn't even know he had it?
14. 57:31 – 1:07:47

    Cardio as a mental weapon: ‘passport to crazy land,’ discipline, and time mastery

    1. MHMax Holloway57:31

       I just felt good. And it's funny you bring that up 'cause, like, people always ask me, "What is your workout? (laughs) What is your workouts?" Like, this and that. I, like- and I always think- I was like, "I could tell you guys my workout, I could bring you guys to the workout, but that- that ain't it." You know? That ain't it. I was talking to Sean, one of your security guys out there, and, uh- you- you have a bunch of Navy SEALS and military people come all the time, and they talk about this place where you gotta go when- where- where you get pushed to the point of breaking, and then you get pushed past that, you have to going. And that's- and that- and that's a very dark place, you know? Like- like Sean or ex- uh, ex-Navy SEALS and stuff, those guys gotta live there, you know what I mean?

    2. JRJoe Rogan58:12

       Yeah.

    3. MHMax Holloway58:12

       Now, thankful for me, I have a passport, so I kinda, like- I just kinda show my passport, "I'm here for a little bit and then I'm out," you know what I mean?

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:18

       (laughs)

    5. MHMax Holloway58:18

       But, uh- 'cause those mo- those motherfuckers c- they crazy-

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:21

       Right.

    7. MHMax Holloway58:21

       ... crazy, you know what I mean?

    8. JRJoe Rogan58:22

       Yeah.

    9. MHMax Holloway58:22

       But my passport is like, "Yep, stamp me and stamp my exit sheet, I'm outta here." You know? And that's- that's what it is, you know?

    10. JRJoe Rogan58:27

        You have a passport to crazy land.

    11. MHMax Holloway58:28

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan58:28

        Yeah.

    13. MHMax Holloway58:28

        And- and- and that's what it is. A lot of people think it's a- it's a training thing, you know? I have the s- the best training and conditioning coach, but it's not- it's not the training that we do, it's, like- it's the mental stuff that he pushed me to. Like, there's so many stuff. I- I'm gonna sound like a baby or a bitch, but I always tell him, "I don't wanna do this." He's like, "Well, guess what? I don't give a shit what you want."

Episode duration: 2:39:36