JRE MMA Show #104 with Cory Sandhagen

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. CSCory Sandhagen0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Mr. Sandhagen, we're up.

   4. CSCory Sandhagen0:16

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      We're up. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being here, man.

   6. CSCory Sandhagen0:18

      Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      What, so what are you telling me, Jamie? There was a-

   8. NANarrator0:21

      Uh, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      ... a UFO yesterday?

   10. NANarrator0:22

       Yeah, uh, NFL popular quarterback for, for the Cleveland Browns, former number one pick and Heisman winner. Yeah, I think he lives in Austin in the off season, and he, uh, saw a potential UFO last night, he says.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       He says, "Almost 100%, M and I just saw a UFO drop straight outta the sky. On our way home from dinner, we stopped and looked at each other and asked if either of us saw it, very bright ball of light going straight down out of the sky towards Lake Travis." Could have been a drone.

   12. CSCory Sandhagen0:51

       Hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Could have been some kids.

   14. CSCory Sandhagen0:53

       He's a football player?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah.

   16. CSCory Sandhagen0:54

       Are we gonna believe him because he's famous?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah, that's the only reason.

   18. CSCory Sandhagen0:58

       (laughs)

   19. NANarrator0:58

       It just got a lot of attention is all.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Well, he's famous, so you, you listen to his Twitter, I guess. I don't know.

   21. CSCory Sandhagen1:03

       (laughs)

   22. NANarrator1:03

       All-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Have you ever seen anything crazy?

   24. CSCory Sandhagen1:05

       Uh, no.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       No?

   26. CSCory Sandhagen1:06

       I, I don't think crazy. Um, when I'm up in the mountains sometimes camping or whatever, I'll see, I feel like, some shooting stars and some-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Yeah.

   28. CSCory Sandhagen1:14

       ... stars, you know, fall, which actually now that I'm saying it, might be a little bit crazy. So maybe I have seen some shit, I don't know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       (laughs)

   30. CSCory Sandhagen1:21

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   No. …

   1. CSCory Sandhagen15:00

      too. And then two, um, I've been going down to Ryan Hall's gym a decent amount, um, at 50/50. And do you know Tonle?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      No.

   3. CSCory Sandhagen15:07

      Tonle, he's the 155 champ in, in ONE Fighting Championship.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Oh, okay.

   5. CSCory Sandhagen15:11

      Yeah, he just beat that Martin Wing guy. Uh, so Tonle and Ryan are down there and they do, like, a lot of, uh, you know, spinning back kicks, wheel kicks and all of that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Really?

   7. CSCory Sandhagen15:20

      And they helped me a lot with that too.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Is he... I wanna see... There's this one guy in ONE FC that has a nasty spinning back kick.

   9. CSCory Sandhagen15:28

      Mm...

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       I don't know if that's him.

   11. CSCory Sandhagen15:29

       I, I don't think he throws a ton in his fights.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       There's one guy who just keeps flattening people with spinning back kicks to the body.

   13. CSCory Sandhagen15:34

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       It's like getting hit by a car.

   15. CSCory Sandhagen15:37

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       If someone's got a good one.

   17. CSCory Sandhagen15:38

       Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I have a frame where I'm not gonna knock anyone out, like, you know, bad, um, with, like, my upper body and stuff. But man, your legs are, like, big ass parts of your body.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah.

   19. CSCory Sandhagen15:50

       And, like, you don't need to throw them very hard in order for it to, like, really, really score.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah, this guy. Let me see that. Show them one more time.

   21. CSCory Sandhagen15:55

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Kevin Bellington.

   23. CSCory Sandhagen15:58

       Yeah, he's a 25er. He just fought a... (clicks tongue)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       That dude's, that dude's got a good one.

   25. CSCory Sandhagen16:04

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       He, he throws it very quick too. And he's always got his hips loaded up, like he's looking for it all the way. Boom, look at that. Come on, man. It's just like, what kick is like that?

   27. CSCory Sandhagen16:13

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       You know? There's so few kicks that have that kind of power.

   29. CSCory Sandhagen16:17

       Yeah, and, and if you can't get your feet out of the way of that and you just wanna use your elbow, you're definitely way big time opening up your head for a wheel kick too, so.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       So do you have a guy that... Uh, you said Christian Allen-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. CSCory Sandhagen30:00

      same thing that I feel like, you know, I was going through for a little bit too, where it's like, man, like, you just gotta keep, just keep winning, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Yeah.

   3. CSCory Sandhagen30:06

      Just stay-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Trust the process.

   5. CSCory Sandhagen30:07

      Ke- Yeah, keep your mouth shut.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      How old are you now?

   7. CSCory Sandhagen30:09

      Uh, 28.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Perfect.

   9. CSCory Sandhagen30:11

      Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       So perfect time to be a top contender.

   11. CSCory Sandhagen30:13

       Yeah. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Right? You're-

   13. CSCory Sandhagen30:13

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       That's like, you're, you're in your prime, but you've got a lot of room.

   15. CSCory Sandhagen30:18

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       You know, you got a lot of room to keep getting better and keep growing.

   17. CSCory Sandhagen30:22

       I think I have a lot of room to get better, you know, which is a really good feeling. Um-I really started feeling like that when I went out, like I said, to train with Ryan Hall. Uh, like, that guy really changed a lot of things in my brain about how to look at combat sports and how to-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       Really?

   19. CSCory Sandhagen30:40

       ... Oh, man.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       How so?

   21. CSCory Sandhagen30:42

       Dude, if there's one p- you know, uh, I'll butcher everything because he's just such an intelligent guy, and, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Super smart guy.

   23. CSCory Sandhagen30:48

       ... super smart guy. But, um, I think almost above him being smart is he's just so thoughtful, man. Like, with his game, like, he's just so thoughtful in, like, the amount of, uh, you know, just thinking, and, "Hey, can they do this? Can they do this? Can they do this? Okay, I have a answer for this, this, and this." Like, the guy has a answer for almost everything. And I think that the way that he views things and the advice that he gives to me is just, like, so fundamental, and like, uh, uh, just makes so much sense. So, an example of that would be, I have terrible posture usually. Like, it's getting a little bit better. But like, before it was like this, like, hunched over. I had neck issues, shoulders issues, back issues and all of that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Me too.

   25. CSCory Sandhagen31:29

       Yeah? (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Same thing, yeah.

   27. CSCory Sandhagen31:30

       Yeah?

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       Correct. I always used to, like-

   29. CSCory Sandhagen31:30

       You, you had good shoulder... Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       ... I always used to sit like this.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, it's interesting if…

   1. CSCory Sandhagen45:00

      you know? Like it's only gonna get harder and you gotta be okay with that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Well, it's interesting if you look historically at the evolution of MMA, the difference between MMA in 1993 and MMA today in 2021 is a- almost unrecognizable.

   3. CSCory Sandhagen45:16

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      I mean, there's... A lot of the same techniques are applied, but the level is so fucking high now. And e- like sometimes you see guys making their debut and I'll just be like, "This is crazy! These guys are so good!"

   5. CSCory Sandhagen45:28

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:29

      And they're making their debut.

   7. CSCory Sandhagen45:31

      There's a 14-year-old out there who's gonna whoop my ass one day.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:34

      Dude.

   9. CSCory Sandhagen45:34

      Who's gonna whoop my ass.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       Where was that video from, that I posted, that was, uh, or that I, that we pulled up the other day, that was that little girl who was six years old? Whose page was that on?

   11. CSCory Sandhagen45:44

       Was she like punching the tree?

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       No, she would... No, I've seen that girl.

   13. CSCory Sandhagen45:47

       Yeah, yeah. That girl's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       That girl's a savage too.

   15. CSCory Sandhagen45:48

       Yeah, (laughs) that girl's scary.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       That girl's a little older, but this girl was tiny and she was, um... Whose in- whose, uh, Instagram was it? Do you remember? It was someone that we know. Anyway, um, she was hitting the pads and, uh, they had like a balance ball and that she was using that for leg kicks 'cause she was so small.

   17. CSCory Sandhagen46:08

       Mm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       The guy was like leaning on that, holding the pads for her-

   19. CSCory Sandhagen46:11

       Mm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       ... and then she would leg kick the ball. Fucking perfect technique-

   21. CSCory Sandhagen46:16

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       ... at six. I mean, perfect. Everything was just crisp and fast. Ba-da-da-da-da! Whap! Ba-da-da-da-da! Whap! And you're like, "My God!" Remember whose it was? Fuck! It was someone we know, had it on their page.

   23. CSCory Sandhagen46:31

       I don't know how you can get kids that coordinated that young.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:33

       Some of them just have it, dude.

   25. CSCory Sandhagen46:35

       You think?

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       Yeah. Some kids are coordinated. I have one daughter that's really coordinated and like super, super athletic, and one daughter who doesn't give a fuck.

   27. CSCory Sandhagen46:42

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       Like she's- she likes to play sports and she plays lacrosse and basketball. She likes sports and she does it, but she's not obsessed the way-

   29. CSCory Sandhagen46:52

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       ... my other daughter is. My other daughter's like obsessed with, like, technique and she does gymnastics and she can do all kinds of crazy shit and backflips and round-offs and handsprings and-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:49

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      stuff that puts you in that position. And, I mean, the dude can fucking do some crazy shit athletically, but he, he also uses all these examples of different athletes that have incredible explosive power with their legs and they use these, uh, these kind of exercises and they, they're strong in these positions. See, he shows a split squat, which is really hard to do, man. It's really hard to get down like that with that knee hanging way out over your toes and get all the way down so your back knee touches the ground, and then pull yourself back up. But it's str-... He calls it dense strength, and it's just you're strengthening all your tendons and all the muscles that stabilize the knee and put the knee in a, in a good position. And for kicking things, man, and, and, and for grappling, I, I think, I think a lot of guys could benefit from it. Look how flexible the fucking dude is. Look at that picture right there.

   2. CSCory Sandhagen1:00:54

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

      And, like, he does a lot of stuff on slant boards.... if you go to that one, that v- the video that we were just on, Jamie, of him doing a full split. Yeah, that one. Like so, he does a lot of stuff on slant boards-

   4. CSCory Sandhagen1:01:08

      Uh-huh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

      ... where, so, he'll have like, a k- like it's like a, a slant board, which is good for stretching your calves out. And I started doing this because of him too, and a drop all the way down with a barbell, and go all the way down to the floor. And it's just tremendous hamstring stretch, but also strengthening. And you see the kind of flexibility that this guy has because of it. I mean, he can go all, if you can go scoot that thing all the way up, the dude can go all the way down to a full split. And look at that, he's doing a Zercher, uh, squat grip, like where you put it in the crux-

   6. CSCory Sandhagen1:01:40

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

      ... of your elbow, with weights. I don't know why he's showing someone getting slammed into a triangle.

   8. CSCory Sandhagen1:01:48

      Oh, maybe the pickup?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

      I guess.

   10. CSCory Sandhagen1:01:48

       Picking him up?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       I don't know. Oh yeah, I'd have to listen to him. But, lot of great exercises.

   12. CSCory Sandhagen1:01:53

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       And if he's, if you can find that monkey foot thing, he's got that in there somewhere.

   14. NANarrator1:01:57

       Hey, I, I thought I've definitely seen it on his page, but the video might not be up or it's been somewhere else. He's just, the only thing I could find was that tibia thing, which is a very close thing too, but-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       Yeah.

   16. NANarrator1:02:04

       ... it's a different, mostly different-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       That's a different thing, but that's pretty dope too.

   18. NANarrator1:02:07

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       That's uh, a bar where you put your feet into it and you put plates on the end of it, and it works those muscles on the tibia. And you know, you just flex the foot up and down. So it's like, there's all these different ways you can strengthen these muscle groups that you don't f- like there's no direct way to strengthen them, like individually, that you think of. When you t- think of doing squats, you know, you're, you're strengthening them sort of, but, you know, they're just kind of coming along for the ride of getting stronger.

   20. CSCory Sandhagen1:02:34

       Yeah. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

       Whereas this is iso- that's it. That's the monkey feet thing.

   22. CSCory Sandhagen1:02:37

       Dang, those are crazy looking.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       It's dope, dude. It's really dope. I love it 'cause what I'll do is, uh, I'll like hold onto, um, like a chin-up bar like this-

   24. CSCory Sandhagen1:02:45

       Mm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

       ... and then I'll just do these fucking leg lifts with my, uh, and you can do leg curls with it, you can do leg lifts. But I feel like, for a guy like you who already has a fucking nasty flying knee-

   26. CSCory Sandhagen1:02:58

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

       ... that would make your knee even scarier.

   28. CSCory Sandhagen1:03:00

       Yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:02

       You know, that knee you landed on Frankie was crazy. I was by myself watching TV and I screamed out loud. (laughs)

   30. CSCory Sandhagen1:03:10

       (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:58:49