JRE MMA Show #104 with Cory Sandhagen

1. 0:00 – 4:32

   UFO sightings, UAP terminology, and why disclosure won’t be clear-cut

   1. CSCory Sandhagen0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Mr. Sandhagen, we're up.

   4. CSCory Sandhagen0:16

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      We're up. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being here, man.

   6. CSCory Sandhagen0:18

      Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      What, so what are you telling me, Jamie? There was a-

   8. NANarrator0:21

      Uh, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      ... a UFO yesterday?

   10. NANarrator0:22

       Yeah, uh, NFL popular quarterback for, for the Cleveland Browns, former number one pick and Heisman winner. Yeah, I think he lives in Austin in the off season, and he, uh, saw a potential UFO last night, he says.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       He says, "Almost 100%, M and I just saw a UFO drop straight outta the sky. On our way home from dinner, we stopped and looked at each other and asked if either of us saw it, very bright ball of light going straight down out of the sky towards Lake Travis." Could have been a drone.

   12. CSCory Sandhagen0:51

       Hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Could have been some kids.

   14. CSCory Sandhagen0:53

       He's a football player?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah.

   16. CSCory Sandhagen0:54

       Are we gonna believe him because he's famous?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah, that's the only reason.

   18. CSCory Sandhagen0:58

       (laughs)

   19. NANarrator0:58

       It just got a lot of attention is all.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Well, he's famous, so you, you listen to his Twitter, I guess. I don't know.

   21. CSCory Sandhagen1:03

       (laughs)

   22. NANarrator1:03

       All-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Have you ever seen anything crazy?

   24. CSCory Sandhagen1:05

       Uh, no.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       No?

   26. CSCory Sandhagen1:06

       I, I don't think crazy. Um, when I'm up in the mountains sometimes camping or whatever, I'll see, I feel like, some shooting stars and some-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Yeah.

   28. CSCory Sandhagen1:14

       ... stars, you know, fall, which actually now that I'm saying it, might be a little bit crazy. So maybe I have seen some shit, I don't know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       (laughs)

   30. CSCory Sandhagen1:21

       (laughs)
2. 4:32 – 5:43

   Sandhagen’s surge: finding the intensity level required to win at the top

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      I guess. I guess. Well, listen, man. Uh, let's get to you. You've been on a fucking tear lately, son.

   2. CSCory Sandhagen4:39

      (inhales)

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      You really have. It's, it's super impressive, the Marlon Moraes KO, the Frankie Edgar KO. Like, you have looked fucking sensational.

   4. CSCory Sandhagen4:48

      I figured some shit out.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:49

      Yeah.

   6. CSCory Sandhagen4:50

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:50

      What did you figure out?

   8. CSCory Sandhagen4:50

      Yeah. Um, well, it's a lot, I think. But, uh, it- it- it might be a bit of a long-winded answer.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:58

      Let's go.

   10. CSCory Sandhagen4:59

       But, uh, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       I love a long-winded answer.

   12. CSCory Sandhagen4:59

       There's a lot of, there's a lot of steps that I think, you know, had to take place. But I think, uh, the first thing is, is I had to realize that you can't just walk into a cage and be flat as fuck and, uh, and expect to compete with the best guys in the world, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       So how were you flat? Like, you flat-

   14. CSCory Sandhagen5:17

       Against-

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       ... like you weren't warmed up enough?

   16. CSCory Sandhagen5:19

       No, no, no. Well, that's what-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       (laughs)

   18. CSCory Sandhagen5:21

       You know? Um, I don't know. May- maybe it was a warmup a little bit. Maybe that had something to do with it. Um, but I think that there's just a level of intensity that you have to be in if, if me and someone else are gonna stand in a locked cage and we have to, you know, beat each other up really badly. You have to be at a certain level of intensity for that. Um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       And how were you previously approaching it?

3. 5:43 – 9:24

   The Aljamain Sterling fight: COVID training limits, underestimation, and energy reads

   1. CSCory Sandhagen5:43

      Uh, so previously, I, I didn't have ... Okay, so let- let's, let's go back to maybe bef- before the Sterling fight because after the Sterling fight is when I, I learned a lot of, uh, uh, of stuff. So, (laughs) before, I didn't need to do a lot in order to get at that level of intensity, right? Like, uh, I, I don't really know why that is, but, um, it didn't take a lot in me in order for me to get to that performance level. Against Sterling, for, for whatever reason, uh, and, and I don't wanna-... make up any excuses or anything. Al- uh, I almost said Alistair 'cause we were just talking about him-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      (laughs)

   3. CSCory Sandhagen6:18

      But, uh-

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:19

      Aljamain.

   5. CSCory Sandhagen6:19

      Al- Aljamain was better than me, um, on the night and, uh, and that's why I lost. Um, but for whatever reason, man, in the back, I just, uh, I was just really flat. I, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      Do you think you got too comfortable?

   7. CSCory Sandhagen6:33

      I think I was too comfortable. I think I underestimated him. I think that, uh, it was during the COVID times and, um, I- I wasn't using as many training partners. Sparring sessions weren't nearly, you know, what they used to be in a- in a team gathering. It was like I had two or three training partners, and that's who I went in and sparred with at a separate time. And, um, maybe that had something to do with it too.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      Is that purposeful or is that that that's all that was available because people weren't training as much because of COVID? How did you-

   9. CSCory Sandhagen7:01

      Yeah, so- so that was like March or April, so that was like when everything was really hot with COVID. So, um, yeah it was- it was just because, you know, all the gyms were shut down. Uh, everyone was being really safe because everyone was kind of like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       Yeah.

   11. CSCory Sandhagen7:16

       ... you know, however- however they were feeling about COVID. And, um, so I think maybe that had something to do with it too. Um, but regardless, you know, uh, he- he earned that win. And, um, when I went into that fight, it- it- it wasn't a matter of... Because you hear guys say all the time, or at least I try to listen to as many interviews as I can and- and just kind of watch the demeanors of people when they walk into the cage. And, um, you hear guys say, uh... You- you- you just see that people are competing at different intensity levels all the time. Some people go in and they're like this, you know, and- and they're ready to go. And then other people walk in like they just woke up from a nap.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Yeah.

   13. CSCory Sandhagen7:51

       And so I'm trying to- I- I- I try to learn by just watching and, uh, and on that night, I- I kinda- I felt really relaxed and I felt really, uh, comfortable and really present. Um, and I realize that that's not where I need to be in order for me to be able to compete at my highest level.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       Did- did it, uh, have anything to do with the fact there was no crowd? Was that unusual for you to compete in front of no crowd?

   15. CSCory Sandhagen8:18

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Did it feel different?

   17. CSCory Sandhagen8:20

       I would say there was a lot of really unusual things happening, you know? (laughs) Uh, um, maybe, you know? Maybe. I- I- To be completely honest with you and candid, um, I think I just underestimated Aljamain a lot, you know? Uh, I didn't really take too much into consideration that he has I don't know how many UFC fights. Like, the guy has been under the UFC lights a lot of time, and- and- and that makes a big difference. And, uh, that was a huge mistake on my part. And- and I think that it led to the mentality that I went into that fight with. And I remember when I was in the cage feeling all, you know, feeling really relaxed, uh, I remember when Sterling walked in the cage. And his intensity was, you know, at the highest that, you know, you could probably imagine. Because you feel the energy of people. When you're- when you're in a space that you're ready to fight someone, uh, I think that you read body language better. I think that you read people's energy a little bit better. And (laughs) uh, when I was reading his energy, I was like, "Wow, that is way more intense than where I am right now."

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Yeah. He's about to fight in just a couple days Petr Yan-

   19. CSCory Sandhagen9:24

       Mm-hmm.

4. 9:24 – 12:22

   Sterling vs Petr Yan preview and the ‘fame game’ realities of matchmaking

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:24

      ... for the bantamweight title. What are your thoughts on that?

   2. CSCory Sandhagen9:27

      Yeah, uh, I've obviously thought about it a lot-

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      Yeah.

   4. CSCory Sandhagen9:30

      ... because I've been asked a lot of- uh, about it a lot. But, um, I keep going back and forth, but I've been watching the embeddeds. Um, I've been watching, you know, both of their trainings and stuff, their- their countdowns. Um, and I don't know why, but after watching those, I- I- I really have a lot of confidence that Sterling's gonna win.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:48

      Really?

   6. CSCory Sandhagen9:48

      I- I do. Um, maybe because I'm biased as shit, because Sterling beat me. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:54

      Because he beat you. (laughs)

   8. CSCory Sandhagen9:54

      Not only that, but also because Yan is doing a lot of calling out of TJ.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:58

      Mm-hmm.

   10. CSCory Sandhagen9:58

       And I think that that's kinda lame, you know? Uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Do you think he's doing that just because TJ's a big name?

   12. CSCory Sandhagen10:03

       Of course.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       Yeah.

   14. CSCory Sandhagen10:04

       Yeah, of course.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       I mean, TJ's the biggest name in the division-

   16. CSCory Sandhagen10:06

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       ... you know, for now.

   18. CSCory Sandhagen10:07

       Yeah, of course.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       Yeah.

   20. CSCory Sandhagen10:08

       Um, it's kind of an interesting spot in the sport too right now. We're- we're kind of playing, you know... And this is just the way that things are. I'm- I'm not trying to complain about it. But it seems like it's a lot of, you know, the fame game a little bit. Like, if you fight someone really popular and you beat that person-

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:24

       Yeah.

   22. CSCory Sandhagen10:24

       ... um, that ranks higher than beating someone who's ranked higher or someone who's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:29

       Sure.

   24. CSCory Sandhagen10:29

       ... you know? Um, and that's the game that we're in, and that's completely fine. And I know that I'm not one of those famous people. Um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       You're on your way, son. (laughs)

   26. CSCory Sandhagen10:37

       I'm on my way. I need to keep whooping people's asses, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Yeah.

   28. CSCory Sandhagen10:40

       A- and I'd been s- and I'd been knowing that for a long time, where I'm like, "Man, like, eventually this shit will start getting going," you know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       Yeah.

   30. CSCory Sandhagen10:47

       Like, I- I know how good I am. Like, I- I- I've gone again- I've been training for a really long time. I've been in the room with some really good guys. I'm like, "Okay, like, this shit just has to get going." Like, I'll just trust the process, whatever, and like, uh, you know, the last two have definitely really clicked. Um, but going back to the point of, um, where I was in that fight, uh, I actually learned a lot from Sterling, you know? Like, uh, I- I learned that when someone walks into the cage and they have that level of intensity, it can be, uh, intimidating, you know, if you're not at that- at that point.
5. 12:22 – 14:26

   Wheel-kick KO, quarantine reps, and the value of ‘Bob’ for fight-specific drilling

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:22

      Is that your first wheel kick KO?

   2. CSCory Sandhagen12:24

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:25

      That caught a lot of people off guard.

   4. NANarrator12:26

      Whoa.

   5. CSCory Sandhagen12:26

      Yeah, that was maybe the first time I've ever thrown that kick.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:29

      (laughs)

   7. CSCory Sandhagen12:29

      (laughs) You know? In a fight, at least.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:31

      Marlon's listening to this going, "Ha, fuck."

   9. CSCory Sandhagen12:35

      (laughs) Um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:36

       That was pretty wild.

   11. CSCory Sandhagen12:37

       Yeah. Uh, the quarantine helped me with that one though.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       Yeah?

   13. CSCory Sandhagen12:40

       That's all that I did in the quarantine is fucking hit the Bob in my basement.

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       Oh, really?

   15. CSCory Sandhagen12:44

       Yeah, I just practiced over and over again.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       Bob's good for wheel kicks.

   17. CSCory Sandhagen12:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       Yeah, it's one of the best things for wheel kicks.

   19. CSCory Sandhagen12:48

       Dude, Bob's good for a lot of shit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       Yeah.

   21. CSCory Sandhagen12:50

       Like, kneeing, knees to the face.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:51

       Uh-huh, kind of just grab his head.

   23. CSCory Sandhagen12:53

       Like, like yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. CSCory Sandhagen12:53

       Everything, Bob's good for every... I was thinking he just needs, like, a leg kick shield type of thing-

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       Right.

   27. CSCory Sandhagen12:58

       ... on that base.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       I think they have one.

   29. CSCory Sandhagen13:00

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Go to Century Martial Arts. Uh, Bob is this, uh... They, they gave me one for my, my old gym. I had one in my, uh, my gym at home in my old house in California. I don't have one out here, but I liked it. It's good for combinations 'cause it's like, it's so realistic.
6. 14:26 – 17:48

   Building a striking style: coaches, K-1/WEC influences, and learning spinning attacks

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:26

      Did you have a traditional martial arts background at all?

   2. CSCory Sandhagen14:28

      I did TaeKwonDo when I was, like, really young. Uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:31

      Is that where you learned that?

   4. CSCory Sandhagen14:33

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:33

      No?

   6. CSCory Sandhagen14:33

      Um, so, so, uh, I had always wanted to be good at those, uh, you know, like spinning back kicks, spinning wheel kicks. Uh, but I would just do some shit and just... You know, like, I didn't know the technical way of doing that, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:48

      Right.

   8. CSCory Sandhagen14:48

      So when I would be in a fight and I would throw it, it was just like bullshit, you know? (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:52

      Oh, okay.

   10. CSCory Sandhagen14:52

       And now I can actually feel like I can do it. But, uh, you know what helped me a lot is, um, well, one, my coach Christian Allen, who has obviously been helping me a lot with it too. And then two, um, I've been going down to Ryan Hall's gym a decent amount, um, at 50/50. And do you know Tonle?

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:06

       No.

   12. CSCory Sandhagen15:07

       Tonle, he's the 155 champ in, in ONE Fighting Championship.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       Oh, okay.

   14. CSCory Sandhagen15:11

       Yeah, he just beat that Martin Wing guy. Uh, so Tonle and Ryan are down there and they do, like, a lot of, uh, you know, spinning back kicks, wheel kicks and all of that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Really?

   16. CSCory Sandhagen15:20

       And they helped me a lot with that too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       Is he... I wanna see... There's this one guy in ONE FC that has a nasty spinning back kick.

   18. CSCory Sandhagen15:28

       Mm...

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       I don't know if that's him.

   20. CSCory Sandhagen15:29

       I, I don't think he throws a ton in his fights.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       There's one guy who just keeps flattening people with spinning back kicks to the body.

   22. CSCory Sandhagen15:34

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       It's like getting hit by a car.

   24. CSCory Sandhagen15:37

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       If someone's got a good one.

   26. CSCory Sandhagen15:38

       Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I have a frame where I'm not gonna knock anyone out, like, you know, bad, um, with, like, my upper body and stuff. But man, your legs are, like, big ass parts of your body.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah.

   28. CSCory Sandhagen15:50

       And, like, you don't need to throw them very hard in order for it to, like, really, really score.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah, this guy. Let me see that. Show them one more time.

   30. CSCory Sandhagen15:55

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
7. 17:48 – 30:22

   Mental training as a system: visualization, sports psychology, and replicating fight state

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:48

      Um, so, so let's get back to this mindset thing. What did you do to change how you ramp up, how you get into the octagon? Like, did you just decide to be at 10 the moment you step through the door? Was it a mental thing?

   2. CSCory Sandhagen18:03

      It's, uh, it's practice, you know. Like I, I... It's something that's controllable that I think, um... Or at least in my experience of, of, of my past, it, it's something that's told to you that isn't controllable, like you either have it or you don't. And, uh, I don't believe that shit, you know. Um, and so, uh, it's practice, so it's a lot of, um-So- so bef- I'll practice before sparring. So, every time I go into sparring now, um, before I leave the house, for about 20 minutes, I'll sit and visualize all of the techniques that I'm trying to- t- trying to work. Um, and I'll see it from a third person's point of view so that I, you know... That- that's how they say that you're supposed to learn techniques the best is you visualize yourself doing them, uh, in not a first person view. Um, so-

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      Really?

   4. CSCory Sandhagen18:50

      ... yeah, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      That's interesting.

   6. CSCory Sandhagen18:51

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:51

      Why is that?

   8. CSCory Sandhagen18:52

      Um, I don't know, uh, to be honest. But you're supposed to use a first person view when, uh, when you're actually trying to generate the emotions that, you know, you'll be feeling before a fight, um, which makes sense, you know. Like y-

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:06

      But third person view if you wanna learn something or visualize being successful at it.

   10. CSCory Sandhagen19:10

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:10

       That's strange 'cause I would-

   12. CSCory Sandhagen19:12

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       ... think you would wanna see it the way you're gonna do it.

   14. CSCory Sandhagen19:15

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:16

       Huh.

   16. CSCory Sandhagen19:16

       Yeah, I don't know. May-

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       Wait, did you, do you have a mental coach that you work with or-

   18. CSCory Sandhagen19:19

       Yeah, so I've- I've used a sports psychologist, Joey Fritz, for about, uh, probably five or six years now, I would say. And then, um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       How often do you meet with him?

   20. CSCory Sandhagen19:27

       ... uh, once every- once every week in camp.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       Really?

   22. CSCory Sandhagen19:31

       Yep. Uh, and a lot of it, uh, I think in the beginning when you're working with a sports psych, it's just, you know, putting out a lot of fires, like, "Hey, this is stressing me out. Hey, I'm really scared about this. Hey..." Blah, blah, blah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       Mm-hmm.

   24. CSCory Sandhagen19:42

       And, um, and I would say that that's kinda what it was for me in the beginning, which- which was super helpful because then I could start really enjoying it. Uh, and then now, in the last, you know, year or so, we've been really hammerin' down on some, like, "Hey, what's gonna make me a better performer?" instead of, "What's gonna bring me into the fight with a lot less fear and anxiety," and stuff like that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:04

       Mm-hmm.

   26. CSCory Sandhagen20:04

       So yeah, I've been doing that for a while now.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       How long are these sessions?

   28. CSCory Sandhagen20:08

       Mm, it depends on the week. You know, sometimes there's more things to bring up in- than- than others and, uh, I'm pretty self-sustainable, so whatever he gives me, you know, like, I- I- I'm doing, um, so it doesn't require, like, too much practice or too much, uh, checkin' in, um, other than that. So, you know, 30, 45 minutes sometimes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       So, did you come to him and say, "Hey, when I had this Aljamain Sterling fight, I went in, I c- felt kinda flat." He was kinda pumped up and I was like, "Ugh."

   30. CSCory Sandhagen20:37

       Yeah.
8. 30:22 – 34:50

   Posture, strength, and ‘dense’ athleticism: hips, carries, and knees-over-toes training

   1. CSCory Sandhagen30:22

      I think I have a lot of room to get better, you know, which is a really good feeling. Um-I really started feeling like that when I went out, like I said, to train with Ryan Hall. Uh, like, that guy really changed a lot of things in my brain about how to look at combat sports and how to-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:40

      Really?

   3. CSCory Sandhagen30:40

      ... Oh, man.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      How so?

   5. CSCory Sandhagen30:42

      Dude, if there's one p- you know, uh, I'll butcher everything because he's just such an intelligent guy, and, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      Super smart guy.

   7. CSCory Sandhagen30:48

      ... super smart guy. But, um, I think almost above him being smart is he's just so thoughtful, man. Like, with his game, like, he's just so thoughtful in, like, the amount of, uh, you know, just thinking, and, "Hey, can they do this? Can they do this? Can they do this? Okay, I have a answer for this, this, and this." Like, the guy has a answer for almost everything. And I think that the way that he views things and the advice that he gives to me is just, like, so fundamental, and like, uh, uh, just makes so much sense. So, an example of that would be, I have terrible posture usually. Like, it's getting a little bit better. But like, before it was like this, like, hunched over. I had neck issues, shoulders issues, back issues and all of that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:28

      Me too.

   9. CSCory Sandhagen31:29

      Yeah? (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Same thing, yeah.

   11. CSCory Sandhagen31:30

       Yeah?

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       Correct. I always used to, like-

   13. CSCory Sandhagen31:30

       You, you had good shoulder... Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       ... I always used to sit like this.

   15. CSCory Sandhagen31:33

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       And I used to stand like this. And then I realized, I was like, "You're fucking my back up."

   17. CSCory Sandhagen31:36

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Like, you start getting pains back here.

   19. CSCory Sandhagen31:38

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       So I try to as much... These chairs help a lot.

   21. CSCory Sandhagen31:41

       Yeah, these are nice chairs.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       Yeah, these are dope.

   23. CSCory Sandhagen31:43

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       They're, they're really comfortable.

   25. CSCory Sandhagen31:44

       How, uh, how'd you fix it?

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       Just being aware of it.

   27. CSCory Sandhagen31:47

       Oh, okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       Being really aware of it, do it all the time.

   29. CSCory Sandhagen31:49

       That never, that never worked for me.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       No?
9. 34:50 – 1:10:07

   Fight ‘gamesmanship’: greasing, liniments, Vaseline controversies, and survival tactics

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:50

      Yeah, I remember when Husamar Palhares would fight, you'd have to... Everybody was so terrified of that guy and... 'Cause he wouldn't let go.

   2. CSCory Sandhagen34:57

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:57

      'Cause he would hold on to heel hooks. So not only was... I mean, the dude was like 5'7", 200 and whatever the fuck pounds he was before he cut down to 185. Just so stacked and so strong. When he would get ahold of people, you could see it in their eyes, they were like, "Jesus Christ."

   4. CSCory Sandhagen35:14

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:14

      And then he would dive on your fucking leg and heel hook you.

   6. CSCory Sandhagen35:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:18

      And then he had this habit of holding on to submissions-

   8. CSCory Sandhagen35:21

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:21

      ... to the point where, you know, they kicked him out of the UFC for it.

   10. CSCory Sandhagen35:24

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       I mean, who the fuck gets kicked out of the UFC for being successful? Palhares. He was the only guy-

   12. CSCory Sandhagen35:30

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       ... where he, he held on so many times. They're like, "Dude, get the fuck out of here."

   14. CSCory Sandhagen35:35

       Yeah. He was getting ready to fight, uh... Or when, when Nate Marquardt, 'cause-

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       Yes.

   16. CSCory Sandhagen35:39

       ... High Altitude used to be Nate Marquardt's gym, uh... That's when I was training with all those guys too. And you know, when Nate was going to fight Palhares, I was like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:46

       Well, Nate did something really smart. Nate sw-... got really sweaty-

   18. CSCory Sandhagen35:50

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:50

       ... before that fight.

   20. CSCory Sandhagen35:51

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:51

       So he came in super sweaty. And I remember Palhares went for a leg and Nate pulled his leg out and Palhares pointed at his leg-

   22. CSCory Sandhagen35:58

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:58

       ... trying to say that it was greased up and they actually checked his leg, it wasn't greased up, it was just sweaty.

   24. CSCory Sandhagen36:03

       (laughs) How do you, how do you sweaty up your legs?

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       You put on, um, a warmup thing.

   26. CSCory Sandhagen36:07

       Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:08

       Like if you put on, like, uh, one of them plastic tracksuits-

   28. CSCory Sandhagen36:10

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:10

       ... or one of them, uh, sweatsuits.

   30. CSCory Sandhagen36:13

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 2:58:49