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JRE MMA Show #105 with Derrick Lewis

Joe is joined by UFC Heavyweight Derrick Lewis.

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Jun 27, 20241h 49mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 0:06

    Intro

    1. JR

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. DL

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

  2. 0:06 – 1:55

    Blaydes knockout fallout: trash talk, mindset, and the “couldn’t get started” comment

    1. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) All right. Mr. Lewis, what's up?

    2. DL

      What's up? What's up?

    3. JR

      Thanks for being here and doing this.

    4. DL

      Thanks for finally having me.

    5. JR

      My pleasure, dude. And yeah, we talked about it a couple times.

    6. DL

      Yeah. (laughs)

    7. JR

      The "my balls was hot" one was the famous one.

    8. DL

      I don't remember that one.

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. DL

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      So how's things, man?

    12. DL

      Things been crazy. Been real crazy.

    13. JR

      I can only imagine.

    14. DL

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      After that knockout of Curtis Blaydes, like, uh, poof. I mean, that- that got a lot of attention.

    16. DL

      Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it felt real gr- good to knock him out because he was talking a lot of trash before the fight.

    17. JR

      Isn't that, like, par for the course, though? Everybody talks shit before the fight.

    18. DL

      Um, even whenever I'm doing good, though. He been talking, at least three years now, he been talking mess to me.

    19. JR

      Really?

    20. DL

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Do you take that shit personally?

    22. DL

      Um, I- I do because I'm not in there trying to sell tickets. Don't just come to me trying to sell tickets to talk trash, you know. I take everything personal.

    23. JR

      Yeah, some guys do just try to sell tickets and then they, they'll say, "It's not personal." It's just, like, when Khabib Nurmagomedov was fucking up Conor when he was on top of him, pounding on him, going, "Let's talk now. Let's talk now." Remember that?

    24. DL

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

    25. JR

      And he goes, "It's just business." You know? It's like, this is not business.

    26. DL

      No. No. I go into every fight, like, life or death. And I go i- I enter a deep, dark place every time I step inside the octagon, so it's not business for me.

    27. JR

      What was interesting is after the fight, I mean, it was just such a spectacular knockout, but after the fight, you were so nonchalant. You were just so relaxed and you're like, "I couldn't get started in there."

    28. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      And everybody's like, "What the fuck are you talking about you couldn't get started? You just... It was one of the most spectacular knockouts in the history of the heavyweight division." And you're like, "Oh, I couldn't get started."

  3. 1:55 – 3:43

    Low testosterone revelation and breaking down the KO setup

    1. DL

      Yeah, um, so I went back home and got my blood and everything tested and my T levels was, like, in the 300s. So I had very low T, so it's like-

    2. JR

      You mean testosterone?

    3. DL

      Yes.

    4. JR

      You?

    5. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    6. JR

      Have low testosterone?

    7. DL

      Yes.

    8. JR

      That's ridiculous.

    9. DL

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      I would never... Uh, if you h- if I was gonna make a bet? (laughs)

    11. DL

      (laughs) It's so, like, I try to spend all my energy on my wife, so it's kinda hard because-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DL

      ... if I don't have the energy for her, then she'll think I'm out there messing around and stuff like that, so.

    14. JR

      So t- do they know why your testosterone was low?

    15. DL

      Um... (sighs)

    16. JR

      Maybe overtrained or something?

    17. DL

      No, I don't... We- we don't know yet, so I wanna go to another doctor that the lady was just telling me about.

    18. JR

      Oh, wow.

    19. DL

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      That's crazy. So that's why you felt lethargic.

    21. DL

      Yes. Yes. It was like that all week. Saw... A- at first I was- I thought it was the jet lag or something like that, but in the... ended up just being my T levels.

    22. JR

      (sighs) That was a, like, one of the most perfectly timed uppercuts I've ever seen. It was perfect.

    23. DL

      Yeah, we practiced that for the last few months, yeah.

    24. JR

      So that was the game plan when he shoots, to catch him coming in?

    25. DL

      Yes. Either the knee or the uppercut. Um, we knew he was gonna be there. We knew he was gonna try to play the game, try to stand up for a little bit. And the way he shoots, he don't really shoot like, um, a real wrestler. He shoots, like, from the hip down and come in like that. He doesn't bend the knee and try to come in.

    26. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    27. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      That's interesting. So he goes... He hinges. He goes forward.

    29. DL

      Yes. Yes.

    30. JR

      Why do you think he does that?

  4. 3:43 – 6:03

    From street fights to MMA: starting late, learning on the fly, and conditioning upgrades

    1. JR

      So how- how did you get involved in fighting? What was your first experiences?

    2. DL

      First experience was, like... 'Cause everyone knew I loved fighting in the streets, like, every weekend at parties and stuff like that, and so one of my friends had told me, um, about MMA and I was like... I didn't really know anything about MMA at the time and he to- he told me to watch-

    3. JR

      How long ago was this?

    4. DL

      ... videos. It's, like, 10 years ago.

    5. JR

      Did you have any martial arts training at all?

    6. DL

      No, I don't. I- I still don't have any martial arts training, really. (laughs)

    7. JR

      (laughs) That's ridiculous. Of course, you do.

    8. DL

      Really. Somewhat, somewhat.

    9. JR

      You're a professional martial artist.

    10. DL

      I'm watching YouTube videos now, so I'm learning some stuff now.

    11. JR

      Really?

    12. DL

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Y- y- you're not, you're not fucking around? Like, really? You learn from YouTube videos?

    14. DL

      I'm serious. I learn, I learn from my coach as well, but I watch YouTube videos and stuff like that too.

    15. JR

      So 10 years ago, you had no martial arts training at all?

    16. DL

      No martial arts training.

    17. JR

      And where'd you first start training?

    18. DL

      I j- started training at a gym called Silverback MMA.

    19. JR

      And so this was 10 years ago.

    20. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      You just decided to learn. Were you thinking about being a professional? Were you just doing it for fun?

    22. DL

      Um, they say that... Back then, I thought, like, 500, 500 was pretty good money, you know, so they were saying that you could get paid, um, $500, um, just three rounds in three minutes. I said, "Just three minutes?" I didn't think three minutes was a long time until I got in there. It's like, "Damn."

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DL

      "Okay." (laughs) And so we just started training from there though. And I fell in love with it. So it's... It's... To me, it's almost like street fighting. So it's like, "Yeah, I could do that."

    25. JR

      Well, one of the things that's changed about you over the years is your endurance. Your endurance is... It, it came up in a big way. Like, you can see it in the Gabriel Gonzaga fight. You can see it in a lot of your fights. Like, you can-

    26. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      You can put pressure on people now. And, and you have a, a lot of high volume with which, in the beginning of your career, I think, you had a harder time with.

    28. DL

      Oh, yeah. I mean, so that's really what we focus on now at, um, Mainz Street Boxing Gym, is my, um, conditioning and my endurance and stuff like that because we feel like that's the only weakness, um, in my game right now.

    29. JR

      (smacks lips) Yeah, but, uh, it's, like, you're so big. I don't even know if it's a weakness. I think it's just part of being a giant person, you know? Like...

    30. DL

      Yeah, yeah. Like where I get-

  5. 6:03 – 7:44

    Travis Browne rivalry, the laxative story, and distrust of sharing game plans

    1. DL

      Yeah, yeah, um... (laughs) ... and I love that fight too. Before the... This, this past fight with Curry, that was one of my favorite. And that, that week going into Travis Browne fight, I took some laxatives, um, to try to help me cut some weight. But, you know, I took it that Wednesday and it was still lingering around. So it's like, man, he kicked me in my body. But he also broke my ribs, but I also did have to take a shit that day.

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DL

      So (laughs) I wasn't lying about that, so yeah. (laughs)

    4. JR

      That was a ridiculous interview, though.

    5. DL

      Yeah. (laughs)

    6. JR

      (laughs) Yeah, that fight was, uh, that wa- that was a heavy duty fight.

    7. DL

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      There was a lot of bad blood in that fight too, right?

    9. DL

      Yes. And ever since then, like, whenever I do my, um... You know how they come in few days before, the commentators try to talk to you.

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    11. DL

      And ever since then, I stopped telling the, the guys what's my game plan and stuff like that, because I didn't know him and Brian Stan at the time was friends, and so-

    12. JR

      Oh.

    13. DL

      Our game plan was to come in and try to, um, like, kick his legs because he used to stand real wide.

    14. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    15. DL

      But whenever me and him fought, he didn't stand like that at all. Like, not one time. And so-

    16. JR

      So you think Brian Stan went to him and told him?

    17. DL

      I believe so. I believe so.

    18. JR

      Oh, Brian.

    19. DL

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    20. JR

      That's kinda dirty.

    21. DL

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, so...

    22. JR

      And he didn't tell you his strategy?

    23. DL

      No, he didn't.

    24. JR

      Damn, Brian Stan.

    25. DL

      So-

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. DL

      ... I'ma just believe that's... That was the case, because he didn't do that at all. And I watched previous fights of, um, Travis and it... He always used to have that wide stance.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. DL

      And he didn't do that at all for my fight.

  6. 7:44 – 10:50

    Adrenaline management, not over-watching tape, and motivation through money goals

    1. JR

      That's interesting. Um, do you watch a lot of tape on fights?

    2. DL

      Who?

    3. JR

      Do you watch tape on fighters when you're gonna face them?

    4. DL

      I used to. Like early in my career I used to, but then I stopped because they fight me different. Like, if I'm watching tape on a wrestler, then by the time me and him fight, it's... He's gonna try to stand up with me. It's just like when I ever fought Big Country, um, I thought he was gonna stand up the whole fight, and he just tried to take down, take down.

    5. JR

      But don't most dudes try to take you down? I mean, you have some pretty ridiculous punching power. I think a lot of guys, if, if the option presents itself, they're gonna try to take you down, right?

    6. DL

      Yeah, I guess so. But I prefer that anyways. Um, I... That's where I, I, I was starting to breathe and catch myself and s-... My adrenaline be pumping too high. Like, um, I fought Ron Potts and my adrenaline was out of s- out of this world. And so I told my coach that if that happens, like in a fight with him, that I'm gonna need him in the nuts on purpose.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DL

      And so... (clears throat)

    9. JR

      I don't think you should say that. Cut that out, man.

    10. DL

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      Cut that part out. You can't say that, man.

    12. DL

      But, no, uh, my adrenaline was just crazy, I just needed to calm down. So it was like beginning of the fight and so I did it on purpose and...

    13. JR

      Oh, no.

    14. DL

      You know? I knew they... I was gonna get a warning, so I was like, "Okay, I'm calmed down now, so, all right. We can go now." Yeah.

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. DL

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      That's an interesting strategy.

    18. DL

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Do you... So what- what makes you... What makes you get more amped up for some fights than others?

    20. DL

      Um, what gets me amped up is, um, if I'm looking at something that I wanna buy, um, after the fight, and so I'm like, "Okay, yeah, I'll buy that."

    21. JR

      So you get excited?

    22. DL

      Yeah, I get excited for that.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DL

      You know, so I'm-

    25. JR

      You start counting your win bonus?

    26. DL

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm already counting my win bonus before I even get it. So I'm like...

    27. JR

      Like, give me an example of something that would... That you would wanna buy that gets you excited.

    28. DL

      Um, just we had wanted to buy some property in Colorado, um, few years ago. And so I was like, "Man, if, if I could get this knockout right here then we could buy it cash." And so, that right there, it gets me excited to do stuff like that. Like, because there's no more cars. I, I got all the cars and, like, that don't excites me anymore. It used to, but, like, stuff like that gets me excited.

    29. JR

      What are you gonna do in Colorado? Are you gonna get, like, a vacation spot?

    30. DL

      Yes. We got, um, we got, like, 80 acres, and so, yeah.

  7. 10:50 – 15:03

    Stress, not watching fights, and debating today’s top matchups (Jon Jones at heavyweight)

    1. JR

      So for a guy like you, I would imagine, like, you need some serious downtime, 'cause, like, the chaos of being a professional fighter-

    2. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... at the highest level in the heavyweight division, like, there's a lot of pressure and stress.

    4. DL

      Oh, yeah, that's why I don't watch fights, you know?

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. DL

      Whenever I watch fights, I catch myself starting to sweat or, like, holding my breath. And so, like, this past weekend and I was watching one of the guys fighting, I was sitting next to my wife, and she noticed that I just started breathing heavy re- out of nowhere-

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DL

      ... because I'm already daydreaming-

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. DL

      ... about, "Okay, if I was in that situation, this is what I would do." And so, like, that's why I don't watch fights 'cause it's still stressful.

    11. JR

      Yeah, so there was a rarer thing, you watching the fight Saturday night?

    12. DL

      Um, just weirding how that one guy that's fighting, like, Khabib, you know, it's like-

    13. JR

      Oh, Islam Makhachev?

    14. DL

      Yes.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. DL

      And I was, like wondering, like, if a guy will hold me down like that, like, the whole fight he won't be able to do anything, what would I do? And that's-

    17. JR

      That dude's a bad motherfucker.

    18. DL

      Yeah, yeah.

    19. JR

      Islam's... He's, he's for real. That, that grappling is serious. 'Cause that kid, Drew Dober, is very good.

    20. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      For him to handle Drew Dober that way-

    22. DL

      Yeah, yeah.

    23. JR

      ... I was super impressed. What did you think of the main event, Blachowicz and, uh, Stylbender?

    24. DL

      (sighs) You know, I was going for Stylebender but Blachowicz just seemed too, like, strong. Like his power is like... wasn't match with Izzy.

    25. JR

      Yeah, his power is ridiculous. That dude's got crazy power. And he's a big fella too.

    26. DL

      Yeah, he's big.

    27. JR

      There's a difference between a legitimate light heavyweight and a guy who's a middleweight and just wants to test himself.

    28. DL

      Yeah, but I don't... I don't think he's... he got what it takes to beat Jones though.

    29. JR

      Yeah. Jones is a different person. He's a different person. I mean, Jon, Jon Jones is... You know, that's top of the food chain.

    30. DL

      Mm-hmm.

  8. 15:03 – 19:15

    Weight, cardio, and diet realities: running is boring, Popeyes is nearby, and meal-prep disasters

    1. JR

      Are you working on losing weight? That was gonna ask you.

    2. DL

      Just trying to be endurance and trying to be quicker and stuff like that because being big is like... You can last for like three minutes, four, four or five minutes one round, and then after that everything start going downhill.

    3. JR

      What do you weigh now?

    4. DL

      Like right now I'm 290 only because I ate Krispy Kreme this morning.

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. DL

      And we... You're gonna cut that part out though. (laughs)

    7. JR

      What do you wanna get down to?

    8. DL

      I would love to get down to like 250, 245.

    9. JR

      Yeah?

    10. DL

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      Do you see that being possible? I think your skeleton weighs about 250. (laughs)

    12. DL

      (laughs) I don't know. I don't know. Um, I'm trying, I'm trying. But since I've been off, I've been eating my ass off, so... I would love to get down 250 though.

    13. JR

      Now, I watched a lot of your training videos and you do a lot of strength and conditioning stuff, like a lot of-

    14. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      ...like explosive work and shit like that. Would you change that and just do... start, start doing a lot of like long distance endurance stuff? Like how would you lose that kind of weight?

    16. DL

      No, I wouldn't change that. I love doing that. I believe me doing all right... That right there, um, takes a lot out of me, and I love feeling fatigued after every workout. And so I wouldn't do that, anything like that. But I will also try to run on a track or something like that, run few miles around a track. That's something I never done before.

    17. JR

      Would you... Oh, so you don't run at all?

    18. DL

      No.

    19. JR

      Would you... So what do you do for endurance work?

    20. DL

      I do StairMaster. Um, we do s- um, elliptical bike and stuff like that. We... I, I don't run. I haven't ran in years really.

    21. JR

      Do you not run because you don't like it or do you not run because of your joints 'cause-

    22. DL

      Uh, I just don't like it.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. DL

      It's boring. I mean, really.

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. DL

      It's boring.

    27. JR

      But if it was good for you, do you think you would... So this is the plan? The plan is to start incorporating that?

    28. DL

      Yeah, if it's good for me, you know. But it's hard though.

    29. JR

      I can only imagine.

    30. DL

      I could probably do it for a few days, but after that I'm like, "Uh, no, I don't feel like doing all that."

  9. 19:15 – 26:11

    Olenik’s weird grappling and the injury chain: knee surgery, back pain, and (maybe) yoga

    1. JR

      I don't know. He's an interesting cat, that guy.

    2. DL

      Yes.

    3. JR

      He's not ... Like-

    4. DL

      But I never fought anyone like him. He's weird.

    5. JR

      Crazy grappler.

    6. DL

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Finishes people f- when they're mounted on them, which is nuts.

    8. DL

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      The only guy I've ever seen. I think he's done it twice. He gets him with that Ezekiel.

    10. DL

      Yeah. The on- when he g- he got me in, I guess, the Ezekiel, if that's what it was.

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. DL

      He got me in that position that was like, if my coaches never had told me about that the week of the fight, I wouldn't ever know what the hell he was doin'.

    13. JR

      Yeah, it's weird.

    14. DL

      And so (laughs) it was like, I was kinda panicking because I w- he was suffocating me with his skin. It wasn't just a, a choke. It was just-

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. DL

      I couldn't breathe. So I was like panicking a little bit. Then he had said something in Russian then he let it go and smiled. I was like, "Shit." (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. DL

      Appreciate it. (laughs) 'Cause he almost had me. I was like, "Shit," I was about to tap him 'cause I ain't know what was goin' on. So I was scared. I said, "Okay, appreciate it," and he hit me in my stomach. I said, "All right."

    19. JR

      That's hilarious.

    20. DL

      "Keep doin' that."

    21. JR

      Yeah, that guy's a, he's a unusual grappler. He just grabs ahold of people. He seems ridiculously strong.

    22. DL

      Yeah. Yeah. It was weird.

    23. JR

      I've never seen anybody finish that, that move like he does, where he lets guys mount him. And like, he grabs ahold of their neck, he, he puts it like this-

    24. DL

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... and then he like opens up so they think, "Oh, I'm gonna mount." And then moving them out-

    26. DL

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      ... and he sinks it in-

    28. DL

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... and he squeezes, and he presses you down. I wanna feel that. That's, that's a crazy move. I wanna know how he does that. I wonder if he's got like a certain setup he uses for that.

    30. DL

      Yeah, he's got, what, 80 fights? So ...

  10. 26:11 – 28:17

    Training schedule and the honest truth: “I don’t like training”—but it feeds the family

    1. JR

      So what is like a, a, a typical training day for you? Do you do, do you do straight... Do you ever do straight jujitsu, or do you do just straight on MMA training? Like, what do you do?

    2. DL

      Um, now I do strength and conditioning for a hour. Then, after that, like, I rest for, like, three hours. Then I go back and do jujitsu and striking at the same time.

    3. JR

      So you just, MMA-style workout?

    4. DL

      Yes.

    5. JR

      So you just, everything is... So, um, when you say you do strength and conditioning for an hour, you do that every day?

    6. DL

      Yes. Um, Monday, I guess, not anymore, it's Monday, Wednesday, and Friday I do that.

    7. JR

      Is... And so every day is two a days? Or do you have sometimes one workout a day? Like, how you doing?

    8. DL

      Yeah, some... Wednes- Tuesdays and Thursdays is one, one a day.

    9. JR

      And how did you... Is this from trial and error? Like, did you try different ways of doing it and different ways of setting up your camps and this is what you found to be the best for your body?

    10. DL

      Um, I really just don't like training.

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. DL

      I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't even, like, I don't like doing none of this. You know, I really just do it just to take care of my family. I do it just enough if, okay, I can last three rounds, so I can... I'm gonna train just the last three rounds. If I gotta train five rounds, I'm like, "Damn."

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. DL

      Okay. (laughs) All right. I'm gonna try to train as much as I can just the last, at least four and a half rounds.

    15. JR

      But if you're gonna fight for the title again, you're gonna have to fight five rounds.

    16. DL

      Yeah, I know I'm gonna have to fight five rounds. That's the only thing that scares me.

    17. JR

      But you wanna be the champ.

    18. DL

      I wanna be the champ, but it's not my main goal is to be the champ. My main goal is to be rich like you.

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. DL

      You know? And I ask people questions, but yeah.

    21. JR

      I under- (laughs)

    22. DL

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      But the best way to be rich is to be the champ. That's, like, your best path. And you have a, like, a legit shot at being the heavyweight champion of the world. That, I mean, that's gotta mean something.

    24. DL

      It just... My name and mixed with heavyweight champion of the world is so crazy because my past and the stuff I've been through in my life, it just wouldn't be real.

  11. 28:17 – 33:36

    From prison to contender: justice system failures, anger, and breaking the cycle for his kids

    1. JR

      Well, tell me about your past. Like what, what about it makes it seem less real?

    2. DL

      Um, I guess, you know, like, going through the system and stuff like that for so many years and being counted out and being left, left behind by family members and friends and stuff like that, and everyone turning their back on you. Then, being on top of the world and top of the, the s- the sport and stuff like that and my name mentioned, um, by other great people in the world and stuff like that. And now other people are looking up to me than being heavyweight champion of the world just be unbelievable feeling.

    3. JR

      Well, it's gotta be unbelievable already, right?

    4. DL

      Yes. Yes, it is.

    5. JR

      I mean, you're, you're one of the top-

    6. DL

      It is.

    7. JR

      ... heavyweights on the planet Earth.

    8. DL

      It is. It is.

    9. JR

      What are you? You gotta be ranked, like, number two right now, right?

    10. DL

      Yes. I'm number two. Yeah. It's, it's a crazy feeling. You know, I try not to think about it because it really don't feel real, you know. Just feel like one of those highs that you wish you never been this high. I don't wanna be this high anymore.

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. DL

      I'm sure they'll show you, add it. 'Cause I already be on the mushrooms and stuff like that.

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. DL

      I'm like, "No."

    15. JR

      Yeah. I understand.

    16. DL

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      So, like, so tell me about your past. Like, what, what about... Like, when you're saying going through the system, you mean the judicial system? Like, what, what about your past was, uh...

    18. DL

      Yeah, I've been, like, in prison and stuff like that. I did three and a half years in prison.

    19. JR

      For what?

    20. DL

      For assault, aggravated assault, uh, street fight.

    21. JR

      I don't see you assaulting people. That's weird.

    22. DL

      Oh. (laughs)

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DL

      I'm kidding.

    25. JR

      Well, you shouldn't have been at my courthouse. You should have been in, talking, telling that to the judge. I would have said that to the judge.

    26. DL

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      "Your Honor, I think, I think this is a mistake."

    28. DL

      Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

    29. JR

      Yeah. So three and a half years for that.

    30. DL

      Mm-hmm.

  12. 33:36 – 1:25:51

    Instagram chaos, fame side-effects, and living the dream (cars, property, and family money drama)

    1. JR

      Is he the guy you get your Instagram clips from?

    2. DL

      No. No. (laughs)

    3. JR

      (laughs) Dude, you get the best Instagram page out of any MMA fighter. I check your shit every day.

    4. DL

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      I do, I check your shit every day 'cause there's always something wild that you have posted.

    6. DL

      Yeah. Somebody reported me for something just now.

    7. JR

      Ah, you fucking rat.

    8. DL

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      What was it?

    10. DL

      They reported me. It's the video I posted, um-

    11. JR

      Which one?

    12. DL

      ... of the kid getting ... He ran into the back of the truck and he was getting pulled by the truck.

    13. JR

      That one?

    14. DL

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      Yeah, the guy was slid, with the rope, hanging onto the rope?

    16. DL

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    17. JR

      You got reported for that one?

    18. DL

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      That's so tame. They should see all your other shit.

    20. DL

      I know, I'm like-

    21. JR

      They reported you for that?

    22. DL

      Yeah. So I, I, now what I do, I just keep 'em on there for a few hours or maybe a day or so-

    23. JR

      And then delete it.

    24. DL

      ... and then I delete them.

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. DL

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Uh, yeah, I almost hesitated telling people how good your Instagram was 'cause I didn't want you to get in trouble-

    28. DL

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      ... 'cause they were so fun. 'Cause it's always, dude's getting fucked up and it's always, he's okay.

    30. DL

      Yeah.

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