JRE MMA Show #119 with Michael Bisping

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Good to see you, brother.

Michael Bisping 0:13 Good to see you too, Joe.

Joe Rogan 0:14 We're working together for the first time-

Michael Bisping 0:15 Thanks a lot.

Joe Rogan 0:15 ... this weekend.

Michael Bisping 0:16 I know. I just told ya. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:17 Yeah, I'm very excited. I'm very excited about that. It's a fucking great card.

Michael Bisping 0:20 Yeah. No, it really is. Uh, sick card. Dubious circumstances how I got the call, so my-

Joe Rogan 0:26 Very, very unfortunate.

Michael Bisping 0:27 ... condolences to Daniel Cormier.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Daniel's mom passed away.

Michael Bisping 0:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 Very, very, very unfortunate. You know, and this is-

Michael Bisping 0:32 Very unfortunate.

Joe Rogan 0:32 ... this is such a crazy week 'cause the Cain Velasquez story just came out, and we were having that conversation and, you know ...

Michael Bisping 0:40 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 0:40 Fuck, man. I mean-

Michael Bisping 0:41 That's a heavy one.

Joe Rogan 0:42 That's the heaviest. His four-year-old daughter was allegedly molested by this guy and you could only imagine the rage, the fucking rage that must've been going through that man's mind. I mean-

Michael Bisping 0:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:55 ... I, I get it. He-

Michael Bisping 0:58 Apparently it was a hundred times. I don't know how they know that, but that's what's circulating.

Joe Rogan 1:03 (sighs)

Michael Bisping 1:03 And i- a- as you say, one time. When you hear that, that this-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:08 ... potentially has been going on for God knows how long. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11 And he's got a little daughter, man. She's four.

Michael Bisping 1:14 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:14 She's a tiny little, cute little adorable girl and that's ...

Michael Bisping 1:18 It's just ...

Joe Rogan 1:18 (exhales) And what does that do to her head to have that happen a hundred times? How do you ... You can't erase those memories.

Michael Bisping 1:26 I-

Joe Rogan 1:26 It's so sick.

Michael Bisping 1:28 Sick. Yeah. I mean, it's beyond sick. It's beyond sick.

Joe Rogan 1:31 So-

Michael Bisping 1:31 That, that guy deserves everything what Cain did. Well, Cain actually got his father, didn't he?

Joe Rogan 1:35 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:35 Not the actual-

Joe Rogan 1:36 Unfortunately.

Michael Bisping 1:36 ... guy himself. Yeah, sadly.

Joe Rogan 1:39 I mean-

Michael Bisping 1:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:39 ... I, my only wish is that he did it with his hands.

Michael Bisping 1:42 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:42 My only wish is that he just ran that car off the road, pulled that guy out of the fucking car and beat him to death. Fuck you.

Michael Bisping 1:50 And even that would've been too good for him.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yes. Yes.

Michael Bisping 1:52 It would've been. You know?

Joe Rogan 1:53 It would've been. Yeah. I mean, that is, that is a sickness. There's like, there's certain sicknesses that people have, that human beings have, sicknesses of the mind, but that one, the molesting b- like a fucking baby, that's a b-

Michael Bisping 2:08 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 2:09 Four-year-old's like a baby. Molesting children is the sickest of all of those sicknesses.

Michael Bisping 2:15 And he's never gonna get better?

Joe Rogan 2:16 No, I just don't think they do, man.

Michael Bisping 2:18 No. (sighs) A reformed pedophile?

Joe Rogan 2:21 I-

Michael Bisping 2:21 Is there such a thing?

Joe Rogan 2:22 I don't know.

Michael Bisping 2:22 I don't believe so.

Joe Rogan 2:23 They say the recidivism rate is way high. It's really high.

Michael Bisping 2:28 Mm-

Joe Rogan 2:28 What is the r- see, Google that. What's the recidivism rate for child molesters? I think-

Michael Bisping 2:34 What does that mean, Joe? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:35 Oh, sorry. Repeat offender.

Michael Bisping 2:36 Using these big words on me.

Joe Rogan 2:38 I use 'em wrong all the time. Don't worry about it.

Michael Bisping 2:39 Recidiv- wha- what is it?

Joe Rogan 2:40 Recidivism.

Michael Bisping 2:41 Recidivism?

Joe Rogan 2:41 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 2:42 That's a new one. I've never heard that.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Oh, okay.

Michael Bisping 2:43 I don't have the, a bad vocabulary, but-

Joe Rogan 2:46 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 2:46 ... but that's pretty good. I like that.

Joe Rogan 2:47 It's, uh ... It just means you're, you go back to your old ways.

Michael Bisping 2:50 Continues.

Joe Rogan 2:51 You go back to offending. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 I think it's just a legal term that they use for, uh-

Michael Bisping 2:55 Recidivism?

Joe Rogan 2:56 ... for criminals. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 2:57 It's gotta be high.

Joe Rogan 2:59 It's very high.

Michael Bisping 2:59 It's gotta be. It's gotta-

Joe Rogan 2:59 Very high. I think it's very high.

Michael Bisping 3:01 Has to be.

Joe Rogan 3:01 I think it's, like, in the 90%s or something like that. Did it get anything?

Narrator 3:05 It's not the right answer.

Joe Rogan 3:07 Not the right answer?

Michael Bisping 3:08 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 3:08 It's, uh ... But again it's-

Michael Bisping 3:10 Y- but, but how would, how would you know that rate anyway because it's not exactly like-

Joe Rogan 3:13 'Cause they catch 'em.

Michael Bisping 3:14 Well-

Joe Rogan 3:14 They catch 'em again.

Michael Bisping 3:15 Sometimes.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Yeah. D- right. Sometimes they don't catch 'em.

Michael Bisping 3:17 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 3:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 3:18 That's, that, that's what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 3:21 They're not exactly forward with that information.

Joe Rogan 3:23 It's just a sickness that's been going on for, for ... since the beginning of time. What is ... You already got ... You got something here?

Narrator 3:29 I, I found a couple of different things. This might be the f- best answer there. But it's not gonna mat-

Joe Rogan 3:33 (clears throat)

Narrator 3:33 Well, it says sex offenders though, so ...

Joe Rogan 3:35 Mm.

Narrator 3:35 The only thing I could find was-

Joe Rogan 3:36 Sex offenders could be r- rape.

Narrator 3:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:38 It could be anything.

Narrator 3:39 Uh-

Joe Rogan 3:39 I know a guy who got charged (clears throat) with a sex offense crime because he was taking a leak outside.

Michael Bisping 3:44 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 3:45 Yeah. He was taking a piss outside-

Michael Bisping 3:47 That's a little extreme.

Joe Rogan 3:47 ... and the cops pulled him over. And, uh-

Michael Bisping 3:49 Indecent exposure?

Joe Rogan 3:49 Yeah. Exactly.

Michael Bisping 3:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:50 And so he had to be registered as a sex offender.

Michael Bisping 3:52 Oh, no way.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 3:54 Oh, my God. I mean, who hasn't had a piss outside?

Joe Rogan 3:56 And it was, like, in Indiana or some shit like that, and the cops were just cunts and they-

Michael Bisping 4:00 I remember when I first moved here I was on a, a (laughs) we went to a nightclub back in the days when I would go to a nightclub and, uh, I got out of the car and I was dying for a piss. You know when you've had a few drinks?

Joe Rogan 4:10 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 4:10 I'm like ... And I'm in a car park so I just take a little leak against the wall and my buddy said, "Mike, what are you doing? You can't do that here. You're not in Manchester."

Joe Rogan 4:17 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 4:17 I'm like, "Well, we don't piss everywhere in Manchester either."

Joe Rogan 4:20 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 4:20 Do you know? What do you think we are? Fucking dogs? Do you know what I mean? But I need to piss and I've had a few beers. Shut up.

Joe Rogan 4:25 It reminds me of a nightmare I had recently. I had a nightmare recently that, uh, I had to pee so bad that I, I pissed in a restaurant on the floor and I was hoping nobody noticed.

Michael Bisping 4:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:36 It's the craziest dream. Like, I'm just remembering it now.

Michael Bisping 4:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:39 And that I l- like, uh, like, I feel like I got caught in the dream and I had to, like, pinch it off real quick. But I was, like, trying to piss on the floor in a restaurant somewhere.

Michael Bisping 4:47 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 What, what is that? Like, try ... Decipher that.

Michael Bisping 4:51 Yeah. Well, decipher this one. I have a lot of night terrors th- which is like extreme dreams I, I'm assuming. And I, I just wake up in the night screaming and doing crazy stuff. Couple of years ago, last time my wife's brother and his entire family came, they were all staying at my house, it's Christmas morning and I had one of my episodes. I don't know why. (laughs) I jumped outta bed Christmas morning, that's 5:30 AM, and I always sleep naked so I'm completely naked. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:16 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 5:16 I jump outta bed and, and my wife ... 'Cause I was still asleep so I didn't know I did it.

Joe Rogan 5:19 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 5:20 I run out the, the bedroom, run down the stairs, right? Obviously thought someone was trying to kill me in my dream. Fell down the stairs, got up, run out the house-

Joe Rogan 5:29 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 5:29 ... came to on the next door neighbor's wall, completely naked with-

Joe Rogan 5:33 Oh, my God.

Michael Bisping 5:34 I'd cut all my, my, my feet and everything up 'cause I was climbing over the walls naked.

Joe Rogan 5:37 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Michael Bisping 5:39 My wife's brother's family were like-

Joe Rogan 5:41 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 5:41 ... "This guy's a fucking maniac. What is he doing?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:45 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 5:45 I came to, I was sitting on the wall, I'm like, "Wow." Uh, that was a crazy one.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Oh, I have a good friend of mine, her brother, they were on vacation and their brother has night terrors. And he ran out of the hotel room and ran through ... You know they have those glass railings in hotels on the second floor?

Michael Bisping 6:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Ran through the glass and fell to the second floor and now he's paralyzed.

Michael Bisping 6:07 Mm.I was in Cancun last year. Same thing, 'cause we were up real high. And every night, I locked the doors.

Joe Rogan 6:13 To keep yourself from doing that?

Michael Bisping 6:14 Yeah, 'cause I was-

Joe Rogan 6:14 Wow.

Michael Bisping 6:14 I said to my wife, I said, "What if I run out there in the middle of the fucking night and we're 20 floors up?" You know what I mean? So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 How often have you h- I mean, how, how long has this been going on?

Michael Bisping 6:23 Ever since I was... The first one I had, I went to Switzerland with the Boy Scouts when I was, like, nine or 10 years old. Yeah. That was the first one.

Joe Rogan 6:31 Wow.

Michael Bisping 6:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:32 Do you remember the dreams?

Michael Bisping 6:34 No. No. I, um, a lot of the time, I have no idea they've even happened. My wife tells me the next day.

Joe Rogan 6:39 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 6:39 She's like, "Oh, you..." And she's so used to it by now.

Joe Rogan 6:42 But imagine living with you.

Michael Bisping 6:43 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:44 Imagine her, she's living with a former UFC middleweight champion of the world-

Michael Bisping 6:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:48 ... so you're a fucking savage already. And she's gotta make sure that you don't wake up in the middle of the night and think you're in a fight for your life.

Michael Bisping 6:55 Yes. Yes. I remember one night, I, I remember this one, the, the ceiling fan, I thought the ceiling fan was gonna come down and chop us up.

Joe Rogan 7:02 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 7:03 And she's fast asleep. And I grab her, and I throw her-

Joe Rogan 7:07 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 7:07 ... against the wall. You know, she's only a little thing. And she, boosh, and then she ki- she's on the floor. She's like, "What the fuck are you doing?" I'm, "Oh, I'm sorry, babe, I thought the fan was gonna chop us up." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:22 (laughs) That's so crazy.

Michael Bisping 7:24 I, and I... I wish I was exaggerating.

Joe Rogan 7:26 That's so crazy.

Michael Bisping 7:27 Zero exaggeration to this story right now.

Joe Rogan 7:29 And do you remember it when you're waking up? Like, after you threw her to the ground?

Michael Bisping 7:32 Ever so-

Joe Rogan 7:32 Is that when you awaken?

Michael Bisping 7:33 Ever so slightly.

Joe Rogan 7:34 Wow.

Michael Bisping 7:34 Very vaguely. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 Wow. That's so crazy.

Michael Bisping 7:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:39 That's so crazy.

Michael Bisping 7:40 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Yeah. The wake, the, the d- dream walking thing is strange.

Michael Bisping 7:44 Hmm. It is. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:46 People do it. They just, they'll walk right up to you and just start talking to you, like, "Hey, man, are you awake?" And you realize, like, "Oh, he's not even awake."

Michael Bisping 7:53 Yeah. Well, they say don't wake them, but-

Joe Rogan 7:54 Like, "Hey, go back to bed."

Michael Bisping 7:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:55 Yeah. "Go back to bed."

Michael Bisping 7:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 Yeah. They say don't wake them, but why not?

Michael Bisping 7:58 Wake, wake me?

Joe Rogan 7:59 Wake the fuck up. (laughs)

Michael Bisping 8:00 Especially if I'm fucking naked-

Joe Rogan 8:02 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 8:02 ... on top of the neighbor's fence.

Joe Rogan 8:03 But, I mean-

Michael Bisping 8:04 Wake me up?

Joe Rogan 8:04 ... but here's the question. What would wake you? If being naked, running down the stairs-

Michael Bisping 8:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:08 ... climbing a fence, that doesn't wake you up, what's gonna wake you up?

Michael Bisping 8:13 A bucket of cold water.

Joe Rogan 8:14 Maybe.

Michael Bisping 8:14 If you see me running down the street-

Joe Rogan 8:16 Right.

Michael Bisping 8:16 ... Joe, totally naked...

Joe Rogan 8:17 But I gotta get a bucket. I gotta chase you.

Michael Bisping 8:19 Slap me.

Joe Rogan 8:20 The cold water.

Michael Bisping 8:21 Kick me. Do something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:22 Speaking of which, I can't believe that you can run on these, uh, artificial knees now. That is amazing.

Michael Bisping 8:28 Yeah. Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 8:30 You know, you, do that thing where you, you showed me. You tap it. Do it so, like, with the, the, uh, microphone can hear it.

Michael Bisping 8:35 Hold on. Let's have a look.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Listen to this knee. This is the artificial knee. (tapping sounds)

Michael Bisping 8:41 That's both. That one doesn't do it as well.

Joe Rogan 8:43 Wow.

Michael Bisping 8:44 But, yeah. Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 8:46 So, you had them replaced?

Michael Bisping 8:48 Yeah. Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:48 Fully? So, what did they do? Did they cut the top of the knee off and put, like, a new thing and screw it in? Like, they do it a few different ways, like resurfacing-

Michael Bisping 8:57 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:58 ... and sometimes they, they, they have to, the joints disf- like, I have a friend whose, his joint was disformed because, uh-

Michael Bisping 9:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:04 ... he had gone without cartilage for so long, bone on bone, that the bones-

Michael Bisping 9:09 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:09 ... started, like, getting spurs and-

Michael Bisping 9:11 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:12 ... they had to, they had to cut his open.

Michael Bisping 9:14 Yeah. E- essentially, so they, they, they cut, cut the leg open, obviously, remove the entire knee, shave down the femur, shave down the tibia and the fibula, put in a whole new knee, attach the tendons, staple you up, and off you pop.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Wow.

Michael Bisping 9:27 And then, uh, oh, the, the recovery's awful.

Joe Rogan 9:30 Yeah?

Michael Bisping 9:31 Awful. I mean, my leg's swelled up to about this size. Um, and then that was my left knee, which gave me problems ever since I trained with Georges St-Pierre in, uh, 2005. I tore my PCL. So, it was just one thing after the other, you know, wear and tear. But my right knee had never bothered me once, never any issue whatsoever until I had the left knee replaced, and then as soon as that healed, started having pain in my right knee.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Really?

Michael Bisping 9:54 Yeah. And then they said, "Yeah, you need that one replaced as well." I'm like, "I've never felt any pain." They went, "Well, that's crazy, because that needs shot as well." So, yeah, had them both done. Uh, best thing I ever did. You know? I mean, it's weird. It's weird. It's a weird sensation. Even now, if I go on my knees, it's not pain, but it's just a very strange... I mean, they're still numb, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 10:17 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 10:17 So, so there's no feeling there. So, doing jujitsu, you know, uh-

Joe Rogan 10:20 So, you're training again?

Michael Bisping 10:22 Uh, no. Well, I was gonna say doing jujitsu is an issue, you know.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Oh, it is an issue.

Michael Bisping 10:25 So, I don't, I don't do it very often, you know.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Oh, 'cause I imagine if someone gets you in a heel hook...

Michael Bisping 10:29 Oh, yeah. Yeah. But-

Joe Rogan 10:30 Did you, would you feel it?

Michael Bisping 10:32 Oh, for sure. Yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 10:33 You'd feel it in the tendons?

Michael Bisping 10:35 I would say so. I think so. I don't know. Nobody's done that yet.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Like, did they replace your ACL? Do you have an ACL at all? Or is it just the artificial knee?

Michael Bisping 10:42 I don't know. That's a good question. I never asked. I never asked.

Joe Rogan 10:45 Oh. (laughs) That's hilarious.

Michael Bisping 10:46 Yeah. It's like, hey, I'm not concerned with it. Just do it. You know.

Joe Rogan 10:49 Yeah. Joey Diaz had one of his replaced, and he said, he started doing jujitsu too, but he said sometimes someone will move him funny and it'll pop out of socket.

Michael Bisping 10:58 Oh, no, no. There's nothing like that goes on.

Joe Rogan 10:59 But it pops back in place.

Michael Bisping 11:00 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:01 But, I mean, his-

Michael Bisping 11:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:02 ... he might have-

Michael Bisping 11:03 Uh.

Joe Rogan 11:03 ... like, lax tendons or something.

Michael Bisping 11:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:05 I'm just guessing.

Michael Bisping 11:06 Yeah. So, I said to the doctor, I said, "Is it fine to run?" And he said, "Yeah, well, I, I screwed them in extra tight."

Joe Rogan 11:12 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 11:12 "So, you're good to run." I'm like, "Wouldn't you screw them in extra tight anyway?"

Joe Rogan 11:16 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 11:16 I'm like, "Oh, this guy likes to run. We'll just give that a couple more fucking turns." I'm like-

Joe Rogan 11:20 That's ridiculous.

Michael Bisping 11:20 ... what, what are we fixing a door here?

Joe Rogan 11:22 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 11:22 You screw them in tight? What do you mean? So, anyway...

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah. I would imagine that would be something you do-

Michael Bisping 11:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:27 ... every fucking time.

Michael Bisping 11:28 Get it as tight as possible.

Joe Rogan 11:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 11:30 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:31 My mom's trying to avoid one right now. She's had some real pain in one of her knees, and, uh, I sent her down to Panama to a-

Michael Bisping 11:39 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:39 ... stem cell clinic, and that helped a lot. That killed all the pain. Like, she, she went down there, and six months later... She was real, like, concerned because it was, like, six months and there was no improvement. She's like, "I don't think it worked on me." And then after six months, the pain went away, and then it's, like, slowly got better.

Michael Bisping 11:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:54 So, I've sent her down there a second time, and, uh, I'd like to, like, keep her going. I would try to avoid the... Because the thing about it when you're older too, she's like 75, you know, when you're older-

Michael Bisping 12:07 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:07 ... you don't heal good, man.

Michael Bisping 12:08 No.

Joe Rogan 12:09 You know, I imagine if it's rough for you, what's it gonna be like for my mom, you know?

Michael Bisping 12:12 Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to do the same thing with my mum. She had polio when she was a kid.

Joe Rogan 12:16 Oh, Jesus.

Michael Bisping 12:16 So, she, she, well, she can't walk now, you know, 'cause she broke her hip. She always had a terrible limp, but then she fell over and broke her hip, and it just hasn't healed right. But they say in, in, the doctors in England said they can't operate 'cause the bones are too soft.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Oh.

Michael Bisping 12:30 But the guy that did my knee replacement, he said that's bullshit. He said we operate on porous bones all the time. So, I'm trying to get her to come out here so we can...... do something with her, but that's gotta... I've gotta get her on a plane first. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:41 Right.

Michael Bisping 12:42 You know? She, she's almost 80. She didn't wanna leave the house, let alone fly to England to have an operation. Sorry, fly to the States to have an operation, you know, so...

Joe Rogan 12:49 A friend of mine was telling me about his dad who got a hip replacement, and he said he almost wished his dad didn't get it. He goes, 'cause yes, his dad was in pain before the hip replacement. He goes, but his dad is so frail after the surgery 'cause he was-

Michael Bisping 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 ... close to 82, I th- as well.

Michael Bisping 13:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:05 And I think that when, you know, the surgery itself, which is so... I mean, they saw the top of your femur off and they... It's a lot, a lot going on.

Michael Bisping 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 And it was so traumatic that he never really fully recovered, and he's been way worse-

Michael Bisping 13:19 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:19 ... since then 'cause just the, the surgery. That's one thing that people have to take into consideration. It's like, you're gonna be... Your body's gotta recover from that. It takes a long-ass time.

Michael Bisping 13:29 I said to my doctor when I, when I... The day I had the knee replacement, I was leaving, I said, "When do you think, uh, I can, like, move again, you know, be walking about?" He said, "Oh, you can do a Peloton class today." (laughs) He was fucking so full of shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:42 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 13:43 He's a great guy. I'm like, "I couldn't move my leg forever." I'm like... He said, "Oh, you'll be able to do the Peloton class today if you want." I was... Yeah, and then part of the rehab when they were coming was just trying to... 'Cause I had a Peloton bike right there. He's like, "Just, just try and do one rotation on it," you know. But that took months, or, or a few weeks should I say, not months.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Wait a minute. I saw you in a hospital gown trying to do a jumping front kick right after you got out.

Michael Bisping 14:07 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know.

Joe Rogan 14:10 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 14:10 Percocet's a really strong drug. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:13 (laughs) (claps)

Michael Bisping 14:14 You know? What can I tell you?

Joe Rogan 14:16 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 14:17 You know?

Joe Rogan 14:17 It's, it's nice though that there's something that they could do that relieves pain, because I- I have some friends that have some fucking really bad knees, and when you see them, like, get up off-

Michael Bisping 14:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:27 ... the couch and walk, and, you know, it's just sharp pain, sharp pain, sharp pain every step, and they just have to tolerate it and so they're always on edge. They're always like, "What? What?" You know, because they're just... They're fucking in agony.

Michael Bisping 14:38 Yeah. I'd, I- I know the feeling. I lived my life in agony for years. I tell Matt Serra all the time 'cause his knees are the same way, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:45 His knees are fucked too?

Michael Bisping 14:46 He always asks me. He said, "Mike, what do you think? Knee replacement, yes or no?" I'm like, "Do it." Best thing-

Joe Rogan 14:50 Yeah?

Michael Bisping 14:50 ... I ever did. Best thing I ever did. But yet-

Joe Rogan 14:52 He looks normal. He's walking around normal.

Michael Bisping 14:54 Yeah, no he's in pain.

Joe Rogan 14:55 Is he just in pain every time he walks?

Michael Bisping 14:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:57 How many fi- that's the thing about jujitsu, guys. Like, or fighters. Like, how many fucking guys are just constantly walking around in pain?

Michael Bisping 15:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:05 You know?

Michael Bisping 15:05 I was in pain. A lot of pain. A lot of pain towards the end, yeah. What are you gonna do?

Joe Rogan 15:10 D- if you like it, I mean, especially if that's what you do for a living, it's just part... Who the fuck... No one rides for free.

Michael Bisping 15:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Nobody gets out of your business, and, and in the end of the day, you're 100%.

Michael Bisping 15:20 You just kinda resign yourself to that.

Joe Rogan 15:22 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 15:22 You know, people ask me... You know, I mean, I've, I have no regrets. I mean, the knee's just the tip of the iceberg, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:27 Right, right.

Michael Bisping 15:28 I've got one eye. I got... I had to have my nose rebuilt. They took my ribs and rebuilt that. What else? My neck. I had neck surgery last year. Gotta have two more plates take, uh, put in, two discs taken out, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:38 What are they doing, the, to your neck?

Michael Bisping 15:39 Well, remember years ago we were talking about it?

Joe Rogan 15:41 Yeah, yeah. You had-

Michael Bisping 15:42 So-

Joe Rogan 15:42 ... a bulging disc-

Michael Bisping 15:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:43 ... and it was like atrophying your arm, right?

Michael Bisping 15:45 Correct, yeah. It still does that. So they went in through my throat, sliced me open there, pushed my throat to the side, took a disc out, put a titanium plate in and four screws.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Was this while you were still fighting?

Michael Bisping 15:54 No, this was last year.

Joe Rogan 15:56 Oh, okay.

Michael Bisping 15:56 Last year, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:57 So you've got one of them articulating discs-

Michael Bisping 16:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 ... in there.

Michael Bisping 16:00 Something. How does that-

Joe Rogan 16:01 How's that work?

Michael Bisping 16:02 I'm still in pain.

Joe Rogan 16:03 Still in pain?

Michael Bisping 16:04 St- they've gotta do it two more times. I said to the doctor 'cause that terrified me. Just the thought of coming through the throat, messing with the spine. You know, that's-

Joe Rogan 16:11 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 16:12 ... scary. So I put it off for years, and, uh, in the end, I just couldn't take the pain anymore. But I said, "If I do this, it's gonna take care of this?" He says, "Yeah, I guarantee you 100%." And, uh, yeah, I'm gonna have it done two more times.

Joe Rogan 16:25 Fuck. So two more separate operations or one operation with the replacement?

Michael Bisping 16:29 I'm hoping one. And I said, "Can you go in through the same scar?" Because I don't want slashes all over my neck.

Joe Rogan 16:35 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 16:35 People already see me running down the street naked, fucking half asleep.

Joe Rogan 16:38 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 16:39 Dude, I, I don't, I don't need slashes on my neck as well-

Joe Rogan 16:41 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 16:41 ... to go with it. It's like, lock that man up. Um.

Joe Rogan 16:45 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 16:45 They said maybe. We'll see how the scar tissue is 'cause sometimes that can be an issue.

Joe Rogan 16:49 The first guy that I knew that had that done was Braulio Estima.

Michael Bisping 16:51 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:52 He had his, uh, he had these fake discs put in his neck and, like, I've, I've always had neck problems too. Like everybody who does jujitsu has neck problems. And I was... I've always asked him, I'm like, "How are you doing now?" He's like, "Well, I had to get another one." So he had another one done. So he's had two fake discs in his neck, and then he's also got some other pain from the other... The problem is, like, the other discs that are connected to the disc-

Michael Bisping 17:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:14 ... that was an issue, they start becoming a problem.

Michael Bisping 17:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Like the next one down becomes a problem.

Michael Bisping 17:18 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 17:18 Eddie Bravo has one too. He's got a fake one.

Michael Bisping 17:20 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 17:20 He's got a fake one in his lower back.

Michael Bisping 17:22 Yeah, ah, well.

Joe Rogan 17:23 So what-

Michael Bisping 17:24 How does he say?

Joe Rogan 17:24 ... what are you gonna do?

Michael Bisping 17:24 What are you gonna do? It is what it is.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Yeah, I mean for some people it works great. I mean, I do know one dude who did it and he never felt pain again. He, he had it fixed in his lower back-

Michael Bisping 17:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:35 ... and he's got no problems.

Michael Bisping 17:35 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the... I had no pain for a while but slowly but surely it started creeping back.

Joe Rogan 17:41 But you're not doing jujitsu, right?

Michael Bisping 17:43 No, I don't do much other than run and lift weights at the minute. I, I want to. I mean, I hit the bag a bit.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 17:47 I wanna do jujitsu. I actually had somebody ask me if I'd do a, uh... They're putting on some kind of event at, uh, the... Somewhere in Vegas. What's it called? Some, some old arena they used to do fights at. I forget. Anyway, they're putting on a jujitsu event and said, "Mike, would you be interested?"

Joe Rogan 18:01 They want you to compete.

Michael Bisping 18:02 Yeah, and I said, "Oh." I said, "I'm kind of interested." It'd give me something to train for-

Joe Rogan 18:07 Right.

Michael Bisping 18:07 ... you know what I mean? Something to do, you know, rather than just running through the hills talking to myself naked.

Joe Rogan 18:12 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 18:12 Um, so I, I, I thought, "I kinda fancy this," but he never, he never reached out. He took-

Joe Rogan 18:16 Hmm.

Michael Bisping 18:16 ... my email address, but, uh...

Joe Rogan 18:18 How much time do you think you'd have to train to prepare for a jujitsu match?

Michael Bisping 18:21 A while-

Joe Rogan 18:22 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 18:22 ... I think, I think. I haven't, I haven't rolled-

Joe Rogan 18:24 Right.

Michael Bisping 18:24 ... in quite some time.

Joe Rogan 18:25 How long-

Michael Bisping 18:25 Last time I rolled I'd... my... I bent my finger 90 degrees to the side.

Joe Rogan 18:29 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 18:29 I went, "Fuck this. This is..."

Joe Rogan 18:30 Wow.

Michael Bisping 18:30 This is why I haven't rolled for a while.

Joe Rogan 18:32 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 18:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 18:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:35 It's, uh... It's a rough business.

Michael Bisping 18:37 It is. You know, we were saying just before, my son, he just... He's a wrestler, he loves it, that's his life.

Joe Rogan 18:42 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 18:42 And, you know, it's such a great sport. I mean, what they've done with my son, the wrestling coaches, it's amazing, really molded him into a great young man.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Yeah, it's been cool watching him on Instagram.

Michael Bisping 18:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:51 It's nice. (coughs) It's nice wi- watching, you know, uh, a son of a champion, you know, get into combat sports himself. It's exciting.

Michael Bisping 18:59 Yeah, well, I don't think he wants to fight. People ask that all the time. I don't think he wants to fight. I mean, I say I fought so he doesn't have to, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:06 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 19:07 Uh, but if he wanted to, of course I would support him. But, um... Yeah, he's had a lot of knee problems as well, and then sadly, they took his meniscus out, as I said.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 19:16 Made it back for the end of the season, went to regionals, first takedown he shot, got the takedown, but blew his ACL out on his good knee. So, he's-

Joe Rogan 19:24 Oh. Well-

Michael Bisping 19:25 He's m- He's very depressed right now.

Joe Rogan 19:27 (clears throat) He's a young guy, and they can replace your meniscus when you're young. They do cadaver meniscus grafts, and apparently on young people it's pretty effective. Um, but there's another thing that, uh, we've talked about on this podcast, 'cause I had the guy on. He's got a, a, a Instagram page, I don't know if you've ever seen, it's called Kneesovertoesguy.

Michael Bisping 19:44 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:44 I've been doing that for about seven months now.

Michael Bisping 19:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:48 And it's completely changed my knees. All the pain that I had in my knees is gone.

Michael Bisping 19:53 It-

Joe Rogan 19:53 Like, my new... My knees are so much stronger than they've ever been before.

Michael Bisping 19:56 It's funny you mention that because (clears throat) that's exactly what, uh, Calum, my son, was talking about.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 20:01 H- He'd been recommended it, and I said, I said, "I think I've heard Joe Rogan talking about that."

Joe Rogan 20:05 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 20:05 And then a lot of people on Twitter, "You need to follow Kneesovertoes."

Joe Rogan 20:09 It's incredible.

Michael Bisping 20:09 I, I haven't done it yet.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Mike, it's incredible. It's incredible.

Michael Bisping 20:11 Really?

Joe Rogan 20:11 Yeah, I recommend it to everybody. I mean, even with your fake knees, it's like, it's gonna strengthen all the muscles around the knees that stabilize the knee.

Michael Bisping 20:18 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:18 One of the things that he does that's like the primary exercise is walking backwards with a sled. So, I load the sled up with weight, attach it to my hip with a hip belt-

Michael Bisping 20:27 Yep.

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... and I drag this sled just pushing backwards.

Michael Bisping 20:30 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:30 And I do it every workout now.

Michael Bisping 20:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:32 He was (clears throat) ... He was doing it, uh, every wo... I was doing it one time, I was only doing it like... So, here's this gentleman doing it here. So, he's pushing back, you're on your toes, and it just completely changes, like, the way your knees feel. It pushes all the blood into them, but it strengthens them because it's an unusual way of, like, uh, exercising with it.

Michael Bisping 20:53 Yeah. No, I'll say.

Joe Rogan 20:55 (clears throat)

Michael Bisping 20:55 I, I used to do stuff like that in strength and conditioning.

Joe Rogan 20:57 But the walking backwards thing, though, for the knees is phenomenal.

Michael Bisping 21:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:02 See, that's what they say, that's the number one bang for your buck for knee longevity.

Michael Bisping 21:05 Really?

Joe Rogan 21:06 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 21:07 If only I knew this 10 years ago.

Joe Rogan 21:08 I know (clears throat) . I just found out about it pretty recently. J- Jamie's actually the one who told me about it. He was, uh, explaining to me because he knows I've had a, uh, gang of knee problems too. But this is al- a game changer.

Michael Bisping 21:19 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:20 That and I do a lot of split squats, and I do a, a bunch of different exer- exercises, like tibia raises, like, with weight, you know, that strengthen the, the, the muscles on the side of your shins, the tibia muscles. And I do, um, a lot of different things, uh, that this, uh, Kneesovertoesguy recommends.

Michael Bisping 21:37 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 21:38 You know.

Michael Bisping 21:38 Yeah, I'm just laughing to myself there. I, I, I definitely skip leg day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:42 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 21:43 I've got, I've gotta, I've gotta, I've gotta work on that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Well, it's just th- that's, that's the way to strengthen all the shit around your knee to keep your knee stable.

Michael Bisping 21:51 Yeah. No, no, I know, I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 21:53 So many of us don't do... I mean, if you're training martial arts, most of the time you're just doing the training, and maybe you're doing some strength and conditioning, but you don't, like, specifically work on muscle groups-

Michael Bisping 22:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:01 ... to strengthen joints.

Michael Bisping 22:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:03 You know? But this guy had a gang of knee surgeries and real problems when he was in high school and college.

Michael Bisping 22:08 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 And...

Michael Bisping 22:09 Yeah, I, uh... I, I would say everywhere I'm gonna do more legs. Gonna start r- That's it, this week, I'm gonna definitely do more legs, and I'm trying to do more functional workouts. But then you get busy and whatnot, you know what I mean? I like to start my day with a run, then I go in and lift weights. I know you shouldn't do them together, should do cardio first and then have a break and lift weights. I'm like, "Fuck it, I just gotta, gotta squeeze it all in, I got things to do."

Joe Rogan 22:28 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 22:28 And somehow don't find myself doing the squats. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:32 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 22:32 I don't know why that is. I... In fact, I do know why is 'cause every time I do it, I, I fall onto the toilet as opposed to sitting onto it.

Joe Rogan 22:39 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 22:40 I'm like... And I know, I know the drill.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Well, at least you didn't get heavy. A lot of guys, when they retire, they get heavy.

Michael Bisping 22:44 Yeah. Oh, that, that, that's a battle.

Joe Rogan 22:46 You know, they start thickening up.

Michael Bisping 22:46 It-

Joe Rogan 22:46 The prince Naseem Hamed look.

Michael Bisping 22:48 (inhales) Yeah, he's-

Joe Rogan 22:49 Yeah. He's-

Michael Bisping 22:49 He's a, he's a big boy these days.

Joe Rogan 22:51 He's big.

Michael Bisping 22:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:51 He's a big fella.

Michael Bisping 22:52 Yeah, it's a constant battle though. It's a constant battle.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Yeah. Well, a lot of fighters, you know, when they're fighting and training, and then when they don't have to anymore, like, they can't wait just not have to do that anymore.

Michael Bisping 23:02 Mm-hmm. Well, no, that's it, that's it. I used to do a lot of the kind of stuff you were just talking about.

Joe Rogan 23:06 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 23:07 I'm kind of over it now, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:09 (clears throat) Yeah, it gets tiresome.

Michael Bisping 23:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:12 It's, uh... It's a hard life, but at the end of the day, w- a guy like you, you get to sit back and say, "I was the fucking middleweight champion of the world."

Michael Bisping 23:21 Yeah. And th- th- (sighs) that's real.

Joe Rogan 23:25 That's real.

Michael Bisping 23:25 Yeah, no, it is.

Joe Rogan 23:25 Nobody can take that from you.

Michael Bisping 23:26 No.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Forever.

Michael Bisping 23:27 And it is nice. And it definitely made a change, I guess, in my life, 'cause it kind of validated everything, you know? But that's not really why I did it, you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, of course everybody wants to be the champ. If you're gonna compete in any sport, then of course you wanna be as good as you can be. But I was just trying to make some money, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:45 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 23:45 But, of course, the two, they go hand in hand, 'cause if you made the... If you become the champ, then you make more money, you know? Like, when I got involved with this, it was to, uh... My plan was to-

Joe Rogan 23:55 (clears throat)

Michael Bisping 23:55 ... make enough money so I could go to college and then hopefully get a proper job, you know? So-

Joe Rogan 24:00 (clears throat)

Michael Bisping 24:00 It kind of exceeded all those expectations by far.

Joe Rogan 24:02 So, that was when you were in your early 20s, like, what was that?

Michael Bisping 24:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:05 Yeah?

Michael Bisping 24:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, when I left school and then didn't... You know, dead-end job after dead-end job, you come to find out there's not much call for unqualified 16-year-olds.

Joe Rogan 24:14 Did you win Ultimate Fighter season three?

Michael Bisping 24:16 Three.

Joe Rogan 24:17 Wow.

Michael Bisping 24:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:17 Isn't that wild?

Michael Bisping 24:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:19 There's like 30 seasons now.

Michael Bisping 24:20 It's, it's insane.

Joe Rogan 24:21 Sometimes, like, you know, I will be looking at a, a video, like getting ready for a fight, watching if a guy's gonna compete, and they're like, "Oh, he won The Ultimate Fighter season 27." I was like, "What?"

Michael Bisping 24:31 And that's probably five, six years ago.

Joe Rogan 24:33 I know.

Michael Bisping 24:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 24:34 I know it's wild. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 24:35 It's c- It's, it's crazy how many seasons have been and how much talents come from there. And then on top of that, you got the Contender Series.

Michael Bisping 24:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:41 How much talent's coming out of that.

Michael Bisping 24:42 Oh, I know.

Joe Rogan 24:43 The fucking level now, man. There's-

Michael Bisping 24:45 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Some of these guys-

Michael Bisping 24:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:47 ... like that, you know, uh, t-... like, like Hamzat. Look at that guy.

Michael Bisping 24:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 I mean, what the fuck, man?

Michael Bisping 24:54 Hey, and you wanna hear what I hear, it's crazy. Like-

Joe Rogan 24:58 The training sessions?

Michael Bisping 24:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:59 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 24:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:59 That's what I hear too.

Michael Bisping 25:00 He, he's over... 'Cause Darren Till's there right now-

Joe Rogan 25:02 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 25:02 ... at Allstars in Sweden. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 25:05 What'd Darren tell you?

Michael Bisping 25:06 He's a fucking animal.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 25:07 He's just an absolute animal, nonstop in every way. Striking, wrestling, conditioning. Apparently, you know, 'cause he, all his fights have finished real quick.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 25:16 So he's never had to show that side of things. But apparently, his conditioning is like nothing you've ever seen as well.

Joe Rogan 25:21 Well, you see the training footage and you see the intensity that this guy pursues everything with.

Michael Bisping 25:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:26 It makes me-

Michael Bisping 25:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:27 You know, he's only been striking for a few years.

Michael Bisping 25:28 I know, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:29 That's nu- when you see the way he knocked out Mirshart, you're like, "Jesus Christ."

Michael Bisping 25:33 It was a nice right hand.

Joe Rogan 25:34 Beautiful, perfect. And, uh, there's another video of him, uh, when he was younger, where he kn- knocked a guy out with an uppercut. Did you ever see that video?

Michael Bisping 25:41 No, no.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Oh my god.

Michael Bisping 25:42 Yeah, nice.

Joe Rogan 25:42 It's like one of the best uppercut KOs I've ever seen in my life. Just, he just made a read, perfectly placed, stepped in, blop, and just flatlined the guy with an uppercut.

Michael Bisping 25:51 I mean, Gilbert Burns is gonna be a tough fight for him.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Watch this. This is it.

Michael Bisping 25:53 Oh, is this it? Let me see.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Watch this.

Michael Bisping 25:59 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 26:00 I mean, that's a perfect read.

Michael Bisping 26:01 And he stepped off as well.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Yep.

Michael Bisping 26:02 So he was away from the counter.

Joe Rogan 26:04 Yep. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:04 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 26:05 Yeah, like the footwork.

Michael Bisping 26:06 So he's not just throwing a punch.

Joe Rogan 26:07 Exactly.

Michael Bisping 26:07 You know what I mean? He's-

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:08 ... defensively correct as well.

Joe Rogan 26:09 He's doing everything.

Michael Bisping 26:10 And that guy's asleep.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Yeah, out cold.

Michael Bisping 26:12 One shot.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Yeah, I mean, he's doing things technically and he's doing things, like, hyper-aggressively, like, at the same time.

Michael Bisping 26:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:19 He's an unusual dude.

Michael Bisping 26:20 He's very unusual dude.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Those Chechens, man.

Michael Bisping 26:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:22 They're some fierce fucking human beings.

Michael Bisping 26:24 I heard some stories about that-

Joe Rogan 26:25 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:25 ... as well-

Joe Rogan 26:26 Chechens.

Michael Bisping 26:26 ... which I'm not gonna go into.

Joe Rogan 26:27 It's hard place.

Michael Bisping 26:28 It's-

Joe Rogan 26:28 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:28 ... a very hard place.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:29 Apparently there's a lot of craziness going on there right now.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Y- oh, yeah. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:33 With the Ukraine situation, yeah.

Michael Bisping 26:35 No, no, nothing to do with that, sadly. I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 26:37 Oh, there's more on top of that?

Michael Bisping 26:38 Yeah, apparently so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:40 Yeah, I don't follow too much of what's going on in that world, but, uh, I do know that the, that it's a war-torn place.

Michael Bisping 26:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:47 And, uh, when I saw this, uh, there was a documentary that somebody put out, a small piece, uh, like a 20-minute one on Hamzat and his past and interviewing him and talking about his childhood. And that's how you make a person like that.

Michael Bisping 26:58 Oh, that's it. I mean, he comes from a tough place.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:01 From a tough place, you're gonna create tough men. I mean, look at him. The guy's-

Joe Rogan 27:03 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:03 ... an absolute animal.

Joe Rogan 27:05 He's interesting.

Michael Bisping 27:05 And that's why he trains so hard.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Y- that guy has, I think... How many fights does he have in the UFC now, so far?

Michael Bisping 27:10 Four.

Joe Rogan 27:10 He's been hit twice.

Michael Bisping 27:12 Yeah, and one of them, one significant strike he's taken-

Joe Rogan 27:15 Like this. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:15 ... was just trying to punch-

Joe Rogan 27:16 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:16 ... off the guy joking about.

Joe Rogan 27:17 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:18 That's not a significant strike.

Joe Rogan 27:19 No. That doesn't even count.

Michael Bisping 27:20 That's a defensive, "Get-

Joe Rogan 27:21 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:21 ... off me."

Joe Rogan 27:22 That shit doesn't even count.

Michael Bisping 27:22 "I'm about to go unconscious."

Joe Rogan 27:23 Yeah. That literally doesn't count.

Michael Bisping 27:25 No.

Joe Rogan 27:26 I don't think that should count as a strike. Like, strikes landed like this?

Michael Bisping 27:29 And then what he did to... Yeah, no, that's not a punch.

Joe Rogan 27:31 No, it's-

Michael Bisping 27:31 That's not, that's not something we teach.

Joe Rogan 27:33 So you can knock a guy out from your guard. I've seen guys... Uriah Hall did that. Uriah Hall had a guy in his guard and he cracked the guy like-

Michael Bisping 27:40 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 27:41 ... this from the guard and rolled him over and finished him.

Michael Bisping 27:44 Jacare, Kevin Holland.

Joe Rogan 27:46 That's right.

Michael Bisping 27:46 Look at that!

Joe Rogan 27:46 Kevin Holland stopped him from the bottom, that's right.

Michael Bisping 27:48 That, that was-

Joe Rogan 27:49 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 27:49 That was crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:50 Yeah. Kevin Holland's a crack though. He's gonna be fighting 170 this weekend now.

Michael Bisping 27:53 This weekend, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Very interesting. Cal- He has Cowboy-

Michael Bisping 27:55 Oliveira.

Joe Rogan 27:56 ... Oliveira.

Michael Bisping 27:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Very interesting.

Michael Bisping 27:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:57 'Cause he's, you know, maybe a little undersized for 85. When you see a lot of these guys that do cut a ton of weight, like the big guys, like, uh, like, Pereira, Michel Pereira.

Michael Bisping 28:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:07 That guy's huge.

Michael Bisping 28:08 Yeah, he said he was only about 180, I think.

Joe Rogan 28:13 Really?

Michael Bisping 28:13 Yeah. Yeah, w- when he was fighting at middleweight.

Joe Rogan 28:15 That's crazy.

Michael Bisping 28:16 'Cause I spoke to him on Wednesday.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Hmm.

Michael Bisping 28:17 Yesterday, and he said, yeah, he was o- only... About 180 he would rock up at, at the fights on. So he wasn't cutting much weight. So making 170 is easy for him.

Joe Rogan 28:26 Very interesting. I had him on the podcast, and Travis Luter, his coach.

Michael Bisping 28:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 You, you know, and Travis said, "I've never seen anybody like him."

Michael Bisping 28:33 Really?

Joe Rogan 28:33 He said, "He learns so fast." He goes, "He's such a special talent, and he's just got ridiculous power."

Michael Bisping 28:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Remember when he knocked out Joaquin Buckley? He told them that he had a booger on his nose. (laughs)

Michael Bisping 28:43 (laughs) I didn't see that one.

Joe Rogan 28:44 He told them he had a booger on his nose.

Michael Bisping 28:44 Really?

Joe Rogan 28:45 And then he flatlined him.

Michael Bisping 28:46 I don't recall that.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Oh, watch this.

Michael Bisping 28:47 Why haven't I seen that?

Joe Rogan 28:49 Oh, it's a crazy one.

Michael Bisping 28:49 I must have seen that.

Joe Rogan 28:50 It was before Buckley's highlight.

Michael Bisping 28:52 Yep.

Joe Rogan 28:52 The, the crazy-

Michael Bisping 28:53 The kick?

Joe Rogan 28:53 ... jump back spinning kick. It's, uh... He, he pointed to him, he goes, "You got, you got a booger on your nose, man." He goes... ƒ I've heard of that. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:01 But I can't think of the knockout-

Joe Rogan 29:03 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:03 ... off the top of my head.

Joe Rogan 29:04 And then, boom, hits him with a straight right hand and flatlines him.

Michael Bisping 29:07 Nice.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:07 Nice. Yeah, he, he's fun.

Joe Rogan 29:08 He's fun.

Michael Bisping 29:09 Yeah, it's gonna be a good fight-

Joe Rogan 29:10 He's fun.

Michael Bisping 29:10 ... this weekend.

Joe Rogan 29:10 He's wild. He's, uh-

Michael Bisping 29:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:12 ... he's talented and wild. And, you know, he has this hole in his game, and the hole in his game is wrestling. But I think that hole will be less when he's fighting guys that are more his size.

Michael Bisping 29:21 Wrestling, and, uh, he just gets a little carried away-

Joe Rogan 29:23 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 29:24 ... a little too excited. He's off balance-

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:26 ... at times-

Joe Rogan 29:26 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:26 ... you know? But... So it's just, it's a learning process.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Here, watch this. He points to it, he points to him. Like, as they're standing there. I think e- he's gotta circle around where his back is against us. See, here it goes. Look, right-

Michael Bisping 29:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:41 He says, "You got a booger on your nose."

Michael Bisping 29:42 (laughs) That's what I love about him, he's always talking.

Joe Rogan 29:45 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:45 It's great. I don't know why the... Oh!

Joe Rogan 29:48 Right there.

Michael Bisping 29:49 What a shot.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 29:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:50 I mean, that's serious power, man.

Michael Bisping 29:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:52 'Cause Buckley is fucking tough. And, you know, he had that, uh, Razak Alhassan fight.

Michael Bisping 29:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Su- super close fight last weekend.

Michael Bisping 29:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:00 Great, great fight. And, you know, for... And Alhassan can fucking crack.

Michael Bisping 30:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:05 I mean, that dude is strong.

Michael Bisping 30:06 Pure knockout power.

Joe Rogan 30:07 Oh my god. And so the fact that-

Michael Bisping 30:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:09 ... Holland was able to take him out with one shot like that is in- insanely impressive.

Michael Bisping 30:12 Well, tall skinnier guys, leaner guys-

Joe Rogan 30:15 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 30:15 ... you think they're not gonna have much power, but they have a tremendous frame for it.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 30:18 And if you know how to use it and use the angles and-

Joe Rogan 30:21 Torque.

Michael Bisping 30:21 ... use that frame, the torque and the-

Joe Rogan 30:22 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 30:22 ... rotation.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Tommy Hearns.

Michael Bisping 30:24 Yeah, yeah. You know-

Joe Rogan 30:25 Remember those days?

Michael Bisping 30:25 ... I used to train with this guy back in England, and he was tall and skinny as hell. Oh God, what a nightmare he was.

Joe Rogan 30:31 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 30:32 Fucking nightmare, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 So he reached-

Michael Bisping 30:34 Skinny guys, be careful. Dealing with the reach of tall guys- Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:37 ... you know?

Michael Bisping 30:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:38 That's why guys like Rockhold at 85 was like, he was always a nightmare, because he was so big at 85-

Michael Bisping 30:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:43 ... and he had such a long reach, you know?

Michael Bisping 30:45 Yeah, he was huge. Yeah. Poor old Luke.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Is he coming back? Like-

Michael Bisping 30:49 I th-

Joe Rogan 30:50 ... I keep hearing he's going to and he's training-

Michael Bisping 30:52 Paolo Costa. He's calling out Paolo Costa-

Joe Rogan 30:54 Really?

Michael Bisping 30:54 ... which I think would be a great fight for him, because...

Joe Rogan 30:56 That's a big jump. Let's jump right, right back into the deep waters, you know?

Michael Bisping 31:00 Deep end.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 31:01 Straight back in, which I have to respect.

Joe Rogan 31:03 Yeah, you gotta respect it. But that-

Michael Bisping 31:04 But-

Joe Rogan 31:04 ... that's what I expect from a guy like Luke.

Michael Bisping 31:06 Yeah. Yeah, 'cause like, you, you know-... a lot of people like to talk shit about him now or laugh at him or whatever.

Joe Rogan 31:11 Well, you used to.

Michael Bisping 31:12 I did. I did.

Joe Rogan 31:13 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 31:13 But that was a long time ago. That was 2016. That was six years ago, Joe.

Joe Rogan 31:17 'Cause you had to. You fought him once, he beat you, and then you knocked him out.

Michael Bisping 31:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:20 And you won the title from him.

Michael Bisping 31:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:22 So it's like you're even-

Michael Bisping 31:23 Yeah. No, exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:24 ... I guess. You're kind of a little ahead.

Michael Bisping 31:25 I'm ahead. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:28 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 31:28 I'm ahead for sure.

Joe Rogan 31:29 You're ahead. You-

Michael Bisping 31:29 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 31:30 ... you got him the last time.

Michael Bisping 31:31 I got him the last time. I did. I did.

Joe Rogan 31:33 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 31:33 But, um, yeah, I mean, he got knocked out by me, Yan, and, uh, who was the other one?

Joe Rogan 31:38 Mm-hmm. The Yan one was rough.

Michael Bisping 31:38 Yoel Romero.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah. Yoel one-

Michael Bisping 31:40 No shame in those.

Joe Rogan 31:41 ... was rough. The Yoel one, that was rough.

Michael Bisping 31:42 And then Yoel kisses him-

Joe Rogan 31:43 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 31:43 ... afterwards.

Joe Rogan 31:44 I know that one.

Michael Bisping 31:44 "I love you." (kissing sound) And gives him a kiss.

Joe Rogan 31:47 And he's like, "Oh, Jesus Christ," yeah.

Michael Bisping 31:48 He's like, "Excuse, can you not? I've just been unconscious. I don't know where I'm at right now. Can you s- stop kissing me, please?"

Joe Rogan 31:54 Right. Yeah, Yoel, when, you know, when he first came to the UFC, I remember thinking, "How the fuck is that guy 185 pounds?"

Michael Bisping 32:01 Yeah. Same, same here.

Joe Rogan 32:02 How is that even possible?

Michael Bisping 32:02 I was like, "Holy shit. Look at the size of this guy."

Joe Rogan 32:04 Even when he would weigh in, I'd be like, "There's something wrong with the scale."

Michael Bisping 32:07 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:08 'Cause I weighed, uh, at the time I weighed like 195. I'm like, "How's that possible?"

Michael Bisping 32:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:11 "How am I 10 pounds heavier than this guy?"

Michael Bisping 32:12 What do you weigh right now, Joe?

Joe Rogan 32:13 Same, like 195.

Michael Bisping 32:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Yeah. I'm like, "That doesn't make any sense."

Michael Bisping 32:16 Yeah, no he's-

Joe Rogan 32:17 "That's ridiculous."

Michael Bisping 32:17 He's, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:18 He's so big.

Michael Bisping 32:19 He's a freak. He's a freak.

Joe Rogan 32:20 And then he came in here once with Joey Diaz, and he was in between fights, and he was probably 230.

Michael Bisping 32:25 Right. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Fucking huge.

Michael Bisping 32:26 Doesn't surprise me.

Joe Rogan 32:27 Fucking huge.

Michael Bisping 32:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Just, just gigantic.

Michael Bisping 32:30 Because there's no fat on him-

Joe Rogan 32:31 Just swar-

Michael Bisping 32:31 ... when he's in fight shape.

Joe Rogan 32:32 No.

Michael Bisping 32:32 Yeah. Just a beast.

Joe Rogan 32:33 Did I ever tell you what happened with him, um, in Australia?

Michael Bisping 32:36 No.

Joe Rogan 32:36 He went to Australia, right? Has a fight. I forget who the fight was, um, but he had a cracked orbital. Um, so he, they send him, the UFC sends him to the doctor. The doctor examines him and then, uh, talks to, uh, the UFC on the phone and says, "Where did you find this guy?"

Michael Bisping 32:53 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 32:53 Yeah. And, and he goes, "He's amazing, right?" He goes, "No, no, no, you don't understand." He goes, "I've been studying human beings, I've been working on people, I've been operating on people for 50 years." He goes, "I've never seen a human like him." He goes-

Michael Bisping 33:07 Really?

Joe Rogan 33:08 ... "The tendons in his eyes are three times thicker than a normal person's."

Michael Bisping 33:12 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:13 He said, "His eye, the orbital bone, was already healing by the time he got to me."

Michael Bisping 33:17 Wow. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 33:19 He's just a freak.

Michael Bisping 33:20 Yeah, a freak of nature.

Joe Rogan 33:22 A freak of nature, maybe, but you also gotta wonder, he came out of that Cuban sports program, like-

Michael Bisping 33:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:27 ... who the fuck knows what kind of experiments they were doing?

Michael Bisping 33:29 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 33:29 Like, think about that.

Michael Bisping 33:30 No, no, and listen-

Joe Rogan 33:31 'Cause he's young enough, he's young enough that it was recent enough that they were experimenting with all sorts of different anabolic steroids and per- performance, performance-enhancing drugs and human growth hormone in children-

Michael Bisping 33:45 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:45 ... and all kinds of stuff that they were doing to try to enhance their athletes.

Michael Bisping 33:48 Were they actually doing that?

Joe Rogan 33:49 The Soviets did it for sure.

Michael Bisping 33:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:51 100%. The, a lot of the Eastern Bloc countries did it. And Cuba has always been connected to the Soviet Union in one way, shape, or form.

Michael Bisping 33:59 Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Who knows?

Michael Bisping 34:01 I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, it's, it's, it's an outlandish statement, so I don't wanna sit here and say that because-

Joe Rogan 34:05 I wouldn't say it-

Michael Bisping 34:06 No, no, no. But you know what I mean.

Joe Rogan 34:07 ... for definite, but who the fuck knows?

Michael Bisping 34:08 They'll be like, "Bisping's just hating on Romero again. He's taking away all his credibility by saying he was injected with human growth hormone as a baby."

Joe Rogan 34:14 Look, he could be ex- could be something way more simple, like he had an elite-

Michael Bisping 34:18 It's probably that.

Joe Rogan 34:18 ... athlete father, an elite athlete mother, and you know, and that's-

Michael Bisping 34:23 Trained his ass off his entire life.

Joe Rogan 34:24 ... trained his ass off and just that's how he is. I mean, there are people that are just blessed genetically.

Michael Bisping 34:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:28 It could be that.

Michael Bisping 34:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:30 But there's, you know the story of Alexander Karelin, right?

Michael Bisping 34:32 I don't, no.

Joe Rogan 34:33 Alexander Karelin, who is, like, probably one of the greatest wrestlers, if not the greatest wrestler of all time, enorm- You know who he is?

Michael Bisping 34:40 No, I have no idea. No.

Joe Rogan 34:41 If you wanna see a bad motherfucker-

Michael Bisping 34:43 Please. Please.

Joe Rogan 34:43 This guy was so terrifying. He only lost once, to Rulon Gardner.

Michael Bisping 34:46 Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:47 And the, the way he lo- lost, it was Greco-Roman, is just, it was a different ti- they had changed the rules, and because he had separated his hands, separated his grip, it counted as one point.

Michael Bisping 34:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:58 And that's the way Rulon beat him. He beat him by one point.

Michael Bisping 35:00 Okay, okay, so a technicality.

Joe Rogan 35:02 But yeah, and he was at the end of his career. He'd been wrestling forever.

Michael Bisping 35:04 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:04 But he would pick guys up. They would... That's him. That's Karelin.

Michael Bisping 35:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 35:10 He was like 300 pounds, and I think he was somewhere around 6'4", 6'5", built like a fucking giant panther, and would hoist guys up in the air like that. That was his move. Like, guys would flatten themselves out to try to avoid being taken down, like flattened down on their stomach.

Michael Bisping 35:27 Yeah, I've seen it.

Joe Rogan 35:29 And his move would get his hands under their gut and hoist these 350-pound men in the air.

Michael Bisping 35:34 I've seen people do that. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:35 Watch him do it because when he would do it... See if you can get a video of Karelin.

Michael Bisping 35:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:38 But he's widely regarded as one of the most impressive wrestlers of all time. See, like see, uh, see if you have, uh, highlights.

Narrator 35:47 Right here.

Joe Rogan 35:47 Okay. So watch, he would just... And this is when he was 21 years old at the 1989 Royal-

Michael Bisping 35:52 I mean, how do you take a person up like that?

Joe Rogan 35:53 Look at this. Look at the size of this motherfucker. And everybody was afraid because you would go for a ride like that, boom, and he would just slam you to the ground. I mean, he was-

Michael Bisping 36:02 I mean, that's not wrestling at that point. That's just, "Come here."

Joe Rogan 36:04 He's just fucking you up.

Michael Bisping 36:05 "Get over here."

Joe Rogan 36:06 I mean, it's a crazy, like, loophole in the rules.

Michael Bisping 36:09 Look, look.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Like, he's able to get his hands underneath you and just keep dumping you. I mean, he's basically beating you up with the ground.

Michael Bisping 36:14 Yeah, no, sure. Smashing you into the ground, by your head.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Yeah, and everybody's terrified of him.

Michael Bisping 36:18 I'm not surprised.

Joe Rogan 36:19 Look at the build on that motherfucker, just enormous, super fluid athlete, the way he moved, like, flexible, and he had-

Michael Bisping 36:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:28 ... and just a full range of motion, not stiff at all, like a giant panther.

Michael Bisping 36:32 Yo, El, when, you know, when he first came to the UFC, I remember thinking, "How the fuck is that guy 185 pounds?"

Joe Rogan 36:40 Yes.

Michael Bisping 36:40 And, uh, and he won a state championship.

Joe Rogan 36:41 Crazy.

Michael Bisping 36:42 Won a state a-

Joe Rogan 36:42 Amazing.

Michael Bisping 36:43 My son's feeling sorry for himself 'cause he blew out his ACL. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 36:46 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 36:46 ... "This guy's got no legs."

Joe Rogan 36:49 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 36:49 "Suck it up, buttercup. What's your fucking problem?"

Joe Rogan 36:51 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 36:52 (laughs) How do you wrestle that guy, though?

Joe Rogan 36:55 Pff, it's a good question. It's a good question.

Michael Bisping 36:57 He's... How do you take him down? He's already down.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Well, also... Exactly, and then when you think about weight-

Michael Bisping 37:01 I'm not making jokes at his expense.

Joe Rogan 37:02 No, not at his expense. But look, it's, it's always amazing when someone finds a way, right? When someone who has a handicap like that finds a way to-

Michael Bisping 37:09 It's incredible.

Joe Rogan 37:10 ... to utilize what they have-

Michael Bisping 37:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:12 ... and then excels and exceed-

Michael Bisping 37:14 It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... and succeeds. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 37:15 It really is. I mean-

Joe Rogan 37:16 There he is.

Michael Bisping 37:16 ... talk about an inspiration.

Joe Rogan 37:18 And you have to think, when you, when you look at the other wrestler, if they're the same weight, the guy has, must have-

Michael Bisping 37:24 The, the, the thickness and the strength.

Joe Rogan 37:25 Yeah. The upper body strength must be off the charts. He's moving himself around constantly just with his arms.

Michael Bisping 37:31 Because when that guy, that child, pardon me, or that young man, should I say, was born, his parents weren't thinking, "This guy's gonna be a wrestler one day."

Joe Rogan 37:38 Yeah. And-

Michael Bisping 37:39 And now look at him, winning a state championship.

Joe Rogan 37:41 ... the state championship.

Michael Bisping 37:41 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 37:41 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 37:41 It's just incredible. Talk about... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 37:45 Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Michael Bisping 37:46 Spirit is unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah. It really is amazing. I mean-

Michael Bisping 37:50 It really is.

Joe Rogan 37:50 (clears throat) Do you remember, uh, there was that guy that was, uh, fighting in, um, the PFL that had one eye?

Michael Bisping 37:56 Oh, yeah. Uh, Nick Newell.

Joe Rogan 37:58 That's right.

Michael Bisping 37:58 Nick Newell.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 37:59 He fought on The Contender as well.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 38:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:02 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 38:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:02 I mean-

Michael Bisping 38:02 That always pissed me off.

Joe Rogan 38:04 Why?

Michael Bisping 38:05 No, I don't mean Nick Newell fighting with one hand pissed me off, but how can you fight with one hand, but you can't fight with one eye?

Joe Rogan 38:11 They told you you can't fight?

Michael Bisping 38:13 No, you can't. You can't fight with one eye.

Joe Rogan 38:15 But yeah, how... Like, I always wanted to ask you this. When was your vision first compromised? Was it after the... It was after the Vitor fight, right?

Michael Bisping 38:22 It, it was the Vitor fight that did it. Uh, and I slowly s- started getting, uh, symptoms. I was do- doing this a lot in restaurants. You know when restaurants are dark, some of them? I was like... I was doing this, you know, and my friends would be like, "Oh, he's doing that thing again with his hands." I'm like, "Can you see your hand there if you do that?" And I was-

Joe Rogan 38:37 So, but to the people who are just listening, you have your hand next to your face and you're, like-

Michael Bisping 38:41 Yeah, I'll be, I'll be, like-

Joe Rogan 38:41 ... moving your fingers around.

Michael Bisping 38:42 Yeah, yeah, trying to-

Joe Rogan 38:42 And you couldn't see it?

Michael Bisping 38:43 Yeah, exactly. And then by the end, it was, like, right in front of me there and I couldn't see. And it was at that point I called the doctor. But, um, I fought Allen Belcher after the Vitor Belfort fight. And then, uh, as I say, as this was getting worse and worse and worse, I called the doctor and he said, "Yeah, you got a detached retina." They fixed that. It re-detached. I got glaucoma. It was just, just bad luck, one thing after the other. Anything that could go wrong with an eye went wrong. Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:12 How did you get to the point where you were fighting GSP? Like, how, how did you pass those tests?

Michael Bisping 39:16 With great difficulty. Lying, cheating, bullshit codes.

Joe Rogan 39:21 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 39:21 I fucking lied to so many doctors. Like, I wa- I wa- I went to England. I was doing some, uh, work for BT Sport at the time. Dana was trying to help me out because looks like, looked like I wasn't gonna be fighting, you know? So I went over there doing some work for BT Sport, and, uh, you know, I was talking about fighting again. And they said, "Well, we wanna take you to a doctor of our choice." So I said, "All right, cool, whatever." And I'm shitting my pants, you know? And I, I, I had to do this test where you look into this thing and there's all these lights, you know? And you push a button when you see a light pop up. And I just fucking gue- I passed it. I, I just fucking guessed it. I went-

Joe Rogan 39:56 You just guessed it?

Michael Bisping 39:57 I guessed it and I passed, right?

Joe Rogan 39:58 Wow.

Michael Bisping 39:58 And then there was another one. They took me to see another doctor. And I went in and this doctor was an old Indian guy. He's a lovely, sweet man. And there was a guy in there, like, an old war veteran who could hardly walk, like about 100 and something years old. Very eccentric old gentleman. And this doctor says, "I'm just gonna walk this man to the car, go into my office, make yourself at home." I'm like, "Fucking get in," 'cause I walked in and the eye test was there.

Joe Rogan 40:21 Ah.

Michael Bisping 40:21 It was an old-school one. It wasn't a digital one. It was like a triangle, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:25 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 40:26 Three sides to it. And all you've gotta pass is... You gotta have 20/200 vision to pass, which is still clinically blind. But on an eye test it's the big one at the top, and then the two underneath it, so still pretty big. So I'm like, "Okay, D, B, E," spin it around, "C, D, E." So I remembered all three. And, uh, the doctor doesn't know that I'm trying to cheat the test.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Right.

Michael Bisping 40:48 He thinks I'm fucking trying to check on my vision like a normal person.

Joe Rogan 40:52 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 40:52 You know what I mean? So he covers up my bad eye first and he says, "What can you see?" Uh, D, D, da-da-da-da. Go through it all. "Very good." And then he doesn't move it round. And he says, "Okay, what can you see there?" And that's where these couple of shitty acting lessons I had paid off. I'm like, "D, C, E." I'm like, "Mm, gets a little blurry after that, Doc, if I'm honest." Couldn't see a fucking thing.

Joe Rogan 41:15 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 41:16 And he's like, "Okay, you've passed." He said-

Joe Rogan 41:18 Wow.

Michael Bisping 41:18 He said, "Listen, um, you've passed to fight." He said, "But I wouldn't fight." He said, "Because if anything happens to your good eye, you're gonna go blind." And I'm like, "Oh yeah, yeah. Mm, yeah, you're right, Doc. Yeah. Oh, well, I'll give it some thought. I'll, maybe I-

Joe Rogan 41:33 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 41:33 I'll talk to my family. Yeah. Oh, God, what a situation. Right, yeah." And I walked out. I was like, "Fucking come on!" 'Cause he meant I was back.

Joe Rogan 41:40 Right.

Michael Bisping 41:41 But of course then every time you fight, you're s- still gotta get checked by a doctor again.

Joe Rogan 41:45 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 41:45 Every time at the weigh-ins, you know? So that was always very, very worr- worrisome.

Joe Rogan 41:49 So how'd you pass those?

Michael Bisping 41:51 (sighs) They just didn't check very good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:56 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 41:56 I mean, I, I had a, I had a code with Perillo. See, he always came in with me. And I said, "Right." 'Cause all they've gotta do... 'Cause now this is a prosthetic lens, as you know.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Right.

Michael Bisping 42:05 And if... I did... I only got this in 2018. Um, so without the prosthetic lens in, it looks awful. Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 42:13 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 42:13 It looks worse now than what it did back then. Over time, it's deteriorated and got worse and worse. But I thought, "All they've gotta do is look at that eye and say, uh, "Uh, how many fingers can you see?" You know? So I said to Perillo, I said, "If he holds up one finger, you go, huh. If he holds up two, yawn, whatever. He holds up three..." We just came up with these shitty codes, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 42:29 Wow.

Michael Bisping 42:30 But we never had to use it once, 'cause I remember once the doctor went, "You can see out of that eye, right?" I said, "Yeah, yeah, of course I can." I said, "I've got all the paperwork." "Okay, cool."

Joe Rogan 42:38 Wow.

Michael Bisping 42:39 That was it. That was it (laughs) . That was it. I was like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 42:42 Wow.

Michael Bisping 42:42 "Sweet, cool." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:44 D- very few people would've still fought. Uh, one eye-

Michael Bisping 42:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:48 ... that's usually the price where most people are not willing to pay anymore.

Michael Bisping 42:52 Yeah. Well, I'd just moved to America, bought this stupid big house that I didn't need. I had a lawsuit going on with my former management, which was completely fabricated. The legal fees were just incredible. Um, c- I just... I, I couldn't quit. I had no choice. I had to still fight, you know? Now life's great, but back then I was still very much financially struggling. Uh, and yeah, all I had... Well, I had to fight this court case, this legal... this lawsuit, and that was costing a fortune. And it's all I knew at that time.

Joe Rogan 43:25 That's one of the craziest stories ever, that you won the middleweight title with one eye.

Michael Bisping 43:30 Mm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:32 And you won it by lying to the doctors.

Michael Bisping 43:35 Yeah. I was terrified. I was terrified the fucking... a- every time I fought. I mean, I don't wanna say too much.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Didn't it fuck with your depth perception, though? 'Cause that's one of the things that they say about-

Michael Bisping 43:45 All the time. Like, I'll go and grab that bottle, for example. Now I'm fine, 'cause my brain's touched it, so my... I know where it's at. I can judge it. But, but the first time, I miss. I miss all the time. I'm always misreading how far something is away. Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 43:59 Right.

Michael Bisping 44:00 Um, 'cause yeah, the depth perception, and everything's in 2D. And then sometimes it can, it can fuck with me a little bit. Sometimes I start getting a little... I can get a little blurry and like... I, I don't know. I get a little dizzy 'cause-

Joe Rogan 44:11 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 44:11 ... it's like sometimes... It's only sometimes. All of a sudden I'm like, "Whoa, I can't fucking figure in- anything."

Joe Rogan 44:16 What about driving? Like, everything's-

Michael Bisping 44:18 Driving's fine. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:19 But everything's on the right side?

Michael Bisping 44:21 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 You have to turn to see if-

Michael Bisping 44:22 Yeah. I-

Joe Rogan 44:22 ... someone's next to you in the next lane.

Michael Bisping 44:23 Oh, all the time. Yeah. If I'm tur- changing lane, I always have to give it one of those.

Joe Rogan 44:27 Right.

Michael Bisping 44:28 And turn really far.

Joe Rogan 44:29 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 44:30 Um, and I'm always hitting people in the face. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:34 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 44:34 Like, like... And it's always an old lady.

Joe Rogan 44:36 (gasps) Oh, no.

Michael Bisping 44:37 'Cause the amount of times... 'cause I'm very animated.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Right. Y-

Michael Bisping 44:39 I talk with my hands. Like for example, I'm at... I'm at a crosswalk in New York City, and I'm in the middle of telling a story and I'm just... I'm... "Oh. Oh, my God, I am so sorry." And it's like-

Joe Rogan 44:48 Oh, no.

Michael Bisping 44:49 ... I- I- I've gone like that into someone's face.

Joe Rogan 44:51 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 44:51 And it's always a little old lady.

Joe Rogan 44:53 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 44:53 For some reason, always an old-

Joe Rogan 44:54 That's terrible.

Michael Bisping 44:55 And, and they look at me like I'm the biggest dickhead on the planet.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Oh, that's terrible.

Michael Bisping 44:58 I'm like, "I'm so sorry. I am so sorry."

Joe Rogan 45:00 Oh, that's horrible. (laughs)

Michael Bisping 45:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but, um-

Joe Rogan 45:04 Is there any hope for your eye?

Michael Bisping 45:06 No. No.

Joe Rogan 45:07 Nothing?

Michael Bisping 45:07 No. No.

Joe Rogan 45:07 There's nothing they can do in terms of, uh, repair?

Michael Bisping 45:12 Well, if you look at that-

Joe Rogan 45:13 Wow, it has gotten worse.

Michael Bisping 45:14 Yeah. There's just nothing there, so...

Joe Rogan 45:16 Wow.

Michael Bisping 45:17 Um, when I got this done, which changed my life in many ways, to be honest, um, I was just sick of looking like that. Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 45:24 So you don't see anything out of it? No light, nothing?

Michael Bisping 45:26 If, if I cover up my good eye and the lights go on and off, the shade of blackness changes.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Wow.

Michael Bisping 45:33 So it'll go... Yeah, just ever so slightly. I c- I can tell when a light's gone on and off. That- that's it.

Joe Rogan 45:37 And there's no-

Michael Bisping 45:38 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 45:39 ... replacement lenses or anything that they can do?

Michael Bisping 45:42 I saw or I heard recently that they're, they're, they- they're putting in, like, robotic eyes or something like that.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Hmm.

Michael Bisping 45:51 Yeah, but I haven't looked into it yet because, you know...

Joe Rogan 45:53 Two fake knees and a fake eye.

Michael Bisping 45:55 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 Imagine. Imagine if it's better.

Michael Bisping 45:57 Oh, no. I know. Could you imagine?

Joe Rogan 45:59 'Cause I think-

Michael Bisping 45:59 I'm, I'm fucking back. Let's go. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:02 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 46:03 I'm back. One more for the road. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:07 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 46:07 I would-

Joe Rogan 46:07 Two fake knees stepping into the octagon.

Michael Bisping 46:09 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:10 That would be wild. Fake knees and a fake eye. I think they have, uh, uh, an electronic eye that they've created that offers superior vision.

Michael Bisping 46:20 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:20 And I think... I don't think it... I think it's just in the testing phases now. But see if you can find that-

Michael Bisping 46:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:27 ... Jamie. It's... I'm pretty sure that it is superior to, uh, normal eyesight. And the way that it interacts with the brain, I don't understand. I don't know how it, like, interacts with the optic nerves and-

Michael Bisping 46:40 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:40 ... the signals that it sends.

Michael Bisping 46:42 Yeah. No, I'm sure it is better, you know, with the technology that they have.

Joe Rogan 46:46 One day.

Michael Bisping 46:47 Yeah. No, absolutely. That's why I retired though, because the doctor said... you know, and they always said, you know, "If something goes wrong with your good eye, you'll go blind."

Joe Rogan 46:55 But didn't... After one of your fights, you did have some... We talked about-

Michael Bisping 46:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:59 ... this before.

Michael Bisping 46:59 The last one, the Gastelum fight.

Joe Rogan 47:00 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 47:00 'Cause I, I was always cocky, you know. Ah, lightning struck. A lot of people have fight careers and don't lose an eye, you know.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 47:07 So lightning's already struck. Lightning's not gonna strike twice. And then after the Kelvin Gastelum fight, we went to s- uh, an afterparty, and I was sitting there and every time I look left and then look back, psch, I just have a flash of light. And every time I did it again, chh, every time a flash of light. I'm sitting in this bar, and everyone's dancing and having a good time and stuff, you know, and I'm, I'm starting to cry. I'm starting to well up, you know, 'cause I'm like, "I'm gonna go fucking blind." Even if they repair the ha- the s- the eyes, pardon me, I'm still gonna go blind whilst... for a month or two while it's healing, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:41 Right.

Michael Bisping 47:41 Which is a scary concept. So anyway-

Joe Rogan 47:43 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 47:43 ... I'm starting to cry and I can tell, and I'm like, "Fuck, I don't want people to see me crying," A, because I'm a proud man, but B, because people are gonna think, 'cause I just lost a fight, "Oh, bless him. Look, he's upset."

Joe Rogan 47:53 Right.

Michael Bisping 47:53 So I couldn't give a fuck about losing a fight. Do you know-

Joe Rogan 47:55 Right.

Michael Bisping 47:55 ... what I mean? I'm going to go blind. So anyway, I rushed out of the room. Said I was going to the toilet, rushed out the, the, the, the party and went back to my room and then Parillo and Daz Morris, friend of mine, came back to my room and, you know, we had a few drinks and forgot all about it. Had a crazy night in Shanghai, came to on an airplane flying home, and I, I sat up, I'm like, "Oh God, I need a drink of water." I said, "Excuse me," to the air hostess and then when I looked down, when I looked back, psch, flash of light again. I'm like, "Fuck!" 'Cause I'd forgotten all about it-

Joe Rogan 48:28 Oh.

Michael Bisping 48:28 ... you know what I mean? But yeah, that was a vitreous detachment, so it wasn't a detached retina, fortunately, so... but then-

Joe Rogan 48:35 Oh.

Michael Bisping 48:35 ... that, that was it. I'm like, "Right, that's enough now."

Joe Rogan 48:37 Yeah. Uh, how many guys do you know that have eye issues from fighting?

Michael Bisping 48:42 Jason Parillo, my coach.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Does he?

Michael Bisping 48:44 Funny enough-

Joe Rogan 48:45 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 48:45 ... detached retina. Yeah, he was a, uh, undefeated professional boxer and detached his retina. But that was... You know, medical science come a long way since then.

Joe Rogan 48:53 The first time I'd ever heard about it was Sugar Ray Leonard, remember?

Michael Bisping 48:56 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 48:57 Yeah. Sugar Ray Leonard had a detached retina, that's why he retired and then he had one fight, a comeback fight, um... He was gonna fight Marvin Hagler, and he had a comeback fight and got dropped in the comeback fight. I forget the gentleman he fought-

Michael Bisping 49:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:11 ... but he got, he got hit with a good shot and dropped and got up and stopped the guy, and then he said, uh, after that he s- he, he had like this, uh-... press conference, he said, "I'm done."

Michael Bisping 49:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:21 He... I think... I, I believe he'd said it in the ring. I think he got in the ring, he had like a big event and then announced that he was retiring-

Michael Bisping 49:28 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:28 ... he's never gonna fight again. And then he decided, a couple years later, I believe it was, that he was gonna come back and just fight Hagler.

Michael Bisping 49:34 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 49:35 He came back, fought Hagler, won that fight, and then had a bunch of other fights.

Michael Bisping 49:39 Mm. Yeah. Yeah, you can do it. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 49:41 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 49:41 It's just hard.

Joe Rogan 49:42 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 49:43 Just... It changes everything. 'Cause when I used to spar, um, a lot of the time you're hitting fresh air, until you actually touch them, like I said before, with that water bottle.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 49:50 You know, when you're actually-

Joe Rogan 49:51 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 49:52 ... my brain's at, "Okay, now I've gotta gauge on how far it is," and then I'd be fine. And then fortunately for me, it was my lead eye. I stand-

Joe Rogan 49:59 Hmm.

Michael Bisping 49:59 ... orthodoxed-

Joe Rogan 50:00 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 50:00 ... whereas if it was this way, that'd be my dominant eye. Because this can still see-

Joe Rogan 50:04 Right, that-

Michael Bisping 50:04 ... almost 180 degrees.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Yeah, that'd be a real problem-

Michael Bisping 50:07 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 50:07 ... if you're standing orthodox with a left eye bad.

Michael Bisping 50:09 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:09 But it's still crazy that you were so successful with one eye. I mean, how many fights did you have with one eye?

Michael Bisping 50:14 (inhales sharply) About 10... I think.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Mike, that's so nuts.

Michael Bisping 50:18 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 That's so nuts. 10 fights with one eye. That is so fucking crazy.

Michael Bisping 50:24 Yeah. Yeah. And yes.

Joe Rogan 50:25 And... And you won the title.

Michael Bisping 50:26 And I won the belt. See, that was the thing. When I lost to Rockhold that first time, I was blind in the ring. Because what happened was, on my final day flying to Australia in the training camp, uh, I was about to Kimura somebody and he fucking kneed me in the face on the floor to get out of the submission. One of my training partners opened up a big gash in, in my eye. And when I got to Australia, I had stitches above my good eye, obviously blind in the other eye. And, uh, I remember day of the fight, we're walking into the arena in Australia. And as I was walking in, someone from the UFC comes running over, "Michael, Michael, Michael, the doctor needs to see you immediately." I'm like, "What's going on?" "Something to do with your eye." And I'm like, "Oh, God!" Uh, 'cause the stress of fighting with one eye and cheating on all these tests-

Joe Rogan 51:11 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 51:11 ... it was just unbelievable. I'm like, "I'm gonna get fucking rumbled at, any time." Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 51:15 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 51:16 And that's, "Something to do with your eye."

Joe Rogan 51:17 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 51:17 I'm like, "Oh, God, here we go. That's it. I've done my training camp, flown to Australia. I'm gonna get yanked from the fight." And I walk in to see the doctor, I'm like, "What's wrong?" He says, "Here, you've got stitches in your eye, mate. You can't fucking fight with stitches in your eye." And he just wanted to take the stitches out of the good eye. I was like, "Fff! There we go, dodged another bullet." But then he-

Joe Rogan 51:34 So, he just took the stitches out-

Michael Bisping 51:35 Just took-

Joe Rogan 51:35 ... and was good to go.

Michael Bisping 51:36 Took the stitches out. And then in the fight with Rockhold, when we started, after the first minute or so, he headbutted me.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Oh.

Michael Bisping 51:42 Accidental? Who knows? I'd like to think it wasn't. But he-

Joe Rogan 51:45 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 51:45 ... headbutted me and he started pissing blood into my eye.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Oh, no.

Michael Bisping 51:49 Yeah. And going-

Joe Rogan 51:50 Into your good eye?

Michael Bisping 51:50 Into my good eye. So, I... It was like, if you take a can of paint, put it onto a windshield and put the windscreen wipers on, it's gonna just be sm-

Joe Rogan 51:58 Right.

Michael Bisping 51:59 It's gonna smudge, you know? So, I, I... Everything was red. And I wiped my eye and I could kinda see again. Then blood would come in and it'd all go red, so I'd wipe my eye. And then at some point when I was doing that, I got... I guess I got kicked in the head. I had no fucking idea.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Well, he used a, um, question mark kick too.

Michael Bisping 52:15 He d- that was earlier in the fight.

Joe Rogan 52:16 Oh, was it?

Michael Bisping 52:17 It was a beautiful kick he hit me with-

Joe Rogan 52:18 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 52:18 ... but I didn't see it coming and then he choked me out unconscious. No, no excuse f-... Well, guillotine. No, no excuse for that one. (laughs) But, uh, that's why that was so hard to take, 'cause I couldn't say anything.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Mm.

Michael Bisping 52:28 Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 52:29 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 52:29 'Cause otherwise I'd be rumbled.

Joe Rogan 52:30 Of course.

Michael Bisping 52:30 You know, I-

Joe Rogan 52:31 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 52:31 ... I had to just swallow that one, so that one hurt.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Ugh.

Michael Bisping 52:33 So, that's why I always wanted to fight him again, 'cause I knew I could do better.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Mm.

Michael Bisping 52:37 Do... Do you... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 52:38 Yes, obviously.

Michael Bisping 52:39 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 52:39 Of course.

Michael Bisping 52:39 That's my excuse, but it's true.

Joe Rogan 52:41 Well, it's true. I mean-

Michael Bisping 52:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:42 (clears throat) And then, the Vitor thing is a strange situation because what Vitor did was technically legal, but everybody knows it's cheating.

Michael Bisping 52:53 Mm.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Right? Like, Vitor was on TRT-

Michael Bisping 52:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:57 ... but he was on-

Michael Bisping 52:59 Probably a lot.

Joe Rogan 53:00 ... s- superhuman doses. Well, we know. We know he got tested. Remember? He was one of the reasons why TRT was removed.

Michael Bisping 53:07 Mm.

Joe Rogan 53:07 Because they tested Vitor and, uh, I forget which event it was, and he was off the charts.

Michael Bisping 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:14 And his excuse was that he had showed up, um... He was gonna be in America for, like, a week and a half, so he took, like, a large dose.

Michael Bisping 53:22 Oh, really? Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:22 So that... Because he couldn't take, you know, his second dose or s-... or, you know, what- whatever it was.

Michael Bisping 53:27 I see. Yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 53:28 Whatever... I forget exactly how he said it, but I remember when they looked at the levels, they're like, "This is not just testosterone replacement."

Michael Bisping 53:36 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:36 "This is, for sure, super physiological. This is, like, not what a normal person ever has in terms of the... this range-

Michael Bisping 53:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:43 ... of hormones in your system." And when Vitor would fight back then, he was a fucking berserker.

Michael Bisping 53:51 Oh, he was great. I mean-

Joe Rogan 53:52 He was-

Michael Bisping 53:52 ... 'cause he was already a very good fighter.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Very good fighter and just super juiced.

Michael Bisping 53:57 Hmm. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:57 I mean, he was just so aggressive and so ripped, man.

Michael Bisping 54:00 Yeah. I mean, that run he went on down in Brazil, it was-

Joe Rogan 54:03 That fucking run.

Michael Bisping 54:04 ... Franklin, Akiyama-

Joe Rogan 54:05 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 54:05 ... myself, Rockhold.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Yeah. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 54:07 Yeah. No, it was crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:08 That was the, the juiced Vitor. That was-

Michael Bisping 54:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:11 ... the TRT Vitor. People to this day, they talk about, like, there's certain fighters that, like, there was a moment-

Michael Bisping 54:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:16 ... you know, where a few fights and TRT Vitor is one that people always bring up.

Michael Bisping 54:20 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, all I thought about then though was, Anderson Silva pulled it off, though. From-

Joe Rogan 54:25 But he didn't. But that wasn't TRT Vitor.

Michael Bisping 54:27 Was it not?

Joe Rogan 54:27 No. You look at... Well, pull up, uh, Vitor versus Anderson Silva. Physically looked very different, very different.

Michael Bisping 54:33 Yeah. Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Like, even when he fought Franklin he looked very different.

Michael Bisping 54:36 Yeah, no, he was-

Joe Rogan 54:36 He was moved.

Michael Bisping 54:37 He was like a bodybuilder.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Exactly.

Michael Bisping 54:39 He looked like a... He looked like a bodybuilder.

Joe Rogan 54:40 When he fought Rockhold, when he fought Rockhold and wheel kicked him in the head-

Michael Bisping 54:43 Mm.

Joe Rogan 54:44 ... he had muscles on his teeth.

Michael Bisping 54:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:45 I mean, they're-

Michael Bisping 54:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... fucking everywhere. They were on... His eyebrows were muscled. It was...

Michael Bisping 54:48 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 54:48 He was fucking gigantic. He was just shredded and just veins everywhere.

Michael Bisping 54:52 I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 54:52 And he looked terrifying.

Michael Bisping 54:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:54 That's when he shaved the side of his heads and he just... He was a wild motherfucker then.

Michael Bisping 54:58 He was a fucking psycho.

Joe Rogan 54:59 And, and... And, I mean, everything. Look at... See? That's him when he fought Anderson, isn't that-

Michael Bisping 55:03 Oh, you're right. Yeah, he's very lean then.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Yeah. Look at the f- the image of him getting kicked in the face.

Michael Bisping 55:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Did not look like the Vitor versus Rockhold.

Michael Bisping 55:11 No.

Joe Rogan 55:11 That was him off of steroids and then coming back into... Like, very different, man, if you look at his body. Coming out of, uh, f-... You know, fighting in, uh, overseas.

Michael Bisping 55:22 Yep.

Joe Rogan 55:22 He had fought a lot in Pride and-... but then, w- look at Vitor versus Rockhold.

Michael Bisping 55:28 Well, there's that side-by-side. Look that up.

Joe Rogan 55:30 Oh, that's the crazy one. That's-

Michael Bisping 55:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:31 ... post-USADA? That's-

Michael Bisping 55:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:33 That's when he fought Weidman.

Michael Bisping 55:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:34 When you see the difference-

Michael Bisping 55:35 Weidman and-

Joe Rogan 55:35 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 55:36 Gastelum.

Joe Rogan 55:37 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 55:38 I'm gonna have to run to the bathroom, Joe.

Joe Rogan 55:38 Yeah. Go ahead, brother. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Michael Bisping 55:40 I gotta clean my pants.

Joe Rogan 55:40 We'll take a break, ladies and gentlemen.

Michael Bisping 55:41 Sorry about that.

Joe Rogan 55:41 We'll be right back. We're back, ladies and gentlemen. So, let's l- let's see the Lu- uh, Luke Rockhold, Vitor versus Luke Rockhold. It's kinda crazy when you think about the early days of fighting, because in the early days of, uh, MMA, fucking half the people were juiced. If not more.

Michael Bisping 55:56 They were. They were.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Look at that.

Michael Bisping 55:58 A lot of 'em.

Joe Rogan 55:59 I mean, look at him, the difference between the image of how he looked... Pull up the, the photo of him (clears throat) giving Rockhold that wheel kick, the one right next to that one. Look at that. I mean, come on, son.

Michael Bisping 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 He's fucking shredded.

Michael Bisping 56:14 Yeah. Well, uh, the documentary that I've got coming out, you talk about it-

Joe Rogan 56:17 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 56:17 ... on there and you say some very, very good words.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Well, you know, what you have done in your career is w- it was very extraordinary. And it was extraordinary n- not just from the sense of the accomplishments, like, there's a lot of great wins that you had. Um, Cung Le, Mayhem Miller, there's a, there's a bunch of wins where you just like dominated these guys with your pace and your endurance. But it was your grit, man. Your-

Michael Bisping 56:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:44 ... mental fortitude. Because you're a great fighter and a great athlete, but there's not a thing that stands out about you other than your mind and your toughness. And which is like, really the thing that a man should be most proud of. Because if you're born with like incredible power or unbelievable speed or you just, uh, you're just an enormous person, I mean, th- that's a giant advantage over everybody.

Michael Bisping 57:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Your advantage was just your mind.

Michael Bisping 57:08 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 It's an amazing thing. And it cost you your knees.

Michael Bisping 57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:13 You know, because th- that toughness may be trained through your knee injuries, but-

Michael Bisping 57:17 Yeah. Well, thank you, Joe. I appreciate that. It's ver- very kind of you to say. Thank you. Um, never felt like it to me though. Never felt like I was making some sacrifice or doing, you know, or like I was, you know, showing a lot of mental strength or willpower or whatever. For me, I'm just trying to win a fight. You know, and just trying to provide for my family and do everything I can to give them the best life, but it sounds-

Joe Rogan 57:38 But there's guys that have no quit. You don't have any quit.

Michael Bisping 57:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:42 You got no quit. The Anderson Silva fight is a great example of that. When you got hit with that flying knee, you were trying to point to your mouthpiece, but you lost your mouthpiece.

Michael Bisping 57:48 Again, because of the fucking eye.

Joe Rogan 57:49 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 57:49 Because of the eye, because I'm looking at you here. If I go there, you don't exist to me, right?

Joe Rogan 57:53 Right.

Michael Bisping 57:53 So, my mouthpiece came out-

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 57:55 ... and then, uh, fucking Herb Dean, I'm like, I'm backing up.

Joe Rogan 57:58 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 57:58 Is that-

Joe Rogan 57:58 You're trying to say, "Herb, give me the right fucking mouthpiece."

Michael Bisping 58:00 Yeah. So, so I turn, I go, "My mouthpiece, Herb," and then I look back and Anderson Silva's in mid-air, doosh!

Joe Rogan 58:05 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 58:05 And hits me. And, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:07 And he walked away. He thought it was over. He thought-

Michael Bisping 58:09 Yeah, but like, as I hit the deck, beep!

Joe Rogan 58:11 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 58:12 The, the, the round finished. So, Herb jumps in. To be fair to Anderson, he probably looked in his mind like he just knocked me out-

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yes.

Michael Bisping 58:18 ... and Herb stopped the fight.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Exactly.

Michael Bisping 58:20 So, he started celebrating. All hell broke loose. I'm on the floor. I remember I'm all crumpled up on the floor, blood pouring out of my face, and I look up at Herb, I say, "I'm not out," and he says, "Yep, fight's still on." And, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:32 Wow.

Michael Bisping 58:32 ... but Anderson was, was, uh, celebrating. So, I wasn't unconscious, but I was (laughs) definitely down.

Joe Rogan 58:36 But then you came back and won the next round.

Michael Bisping 58:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Mike, that was crazy.

Michael Bisping 58:40 It was tough. It was tough. I remem- I, I, I didn't even get-

Joe Rogan 58:43 You were screaming.

Michael Bisping 58:43 ... seen by a cut man, 'cause of the pandemonium.

Joe Rogan 58:46 Where, where did that fight take place?

Michael Bisping 58:47 London.

Joe Rogan 58:48 I don't believe I was there for that.

Michael Bisping 58:49 No.

Joe Rogan 58:50 I'm pretty sure I was at home screaming.

Michael Bisping 58:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:52 I remember watching it. Uh, but I, I'll never forget watching it, screaming.

Michael Bisping 58:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:56 I'm like, "He won the next fucking round!"

Michael Bisping 58:58 Yeah, it, it was difficult. It was difficult.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Fuck, dude! You were out.

Michael Bisping 59:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:02 I mean, for at least a half a second, you were out.

Michael Bisping 59:04 Prob- probably, I mean, you know how it is when you get hit with a good one.

Joe Rogan 59:07 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 59:07 It's always the same. Psh! Flash of light.

Joe Rogan 59:09 Spark of light, yeah.

Michael Bisping 59:10 Flash of light, and eeeh! And then, you know, you're like, "Oh, shit! I'm back. Here I am."

Joe Rogan 59:15 (laughs) That minute in between-

Michael Bisping 59:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 ... was all it took.

Michael Bisping 59:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:18 It's crazy.

Michael Bisping 59:18 I've been there many times. Like when I fought Akiyama, I remember he, he came out, boom! Hit me with a huge right hand, which I didn't see coming, and then, oh, same thing, flash of light, eeeh!

Joe Rogan 59:30 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 59:30 The thing, and then, and then you don't know where you are, and then come to and you're like, "Oh! I'm in a fucking octagon. There's 20,000 people standing around watching this." You're like, "Brr! Get your shit together. Pretend that you're fine."

Joe Rogan 59:41 (laughs)

Michael Bisping 59:41 And then, you know, 30 seconds or so, you get on your back, you use your footwork, you dance around a little bit, and then, uh-

Joe Rogan 59:47 There it is. There it is.

Michael Bisping 59:47 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:49 And one of the most impressive, uh, examples of you and your resolve was the second fight that you had with Dan Henderson.

Michael Bisping 59:57 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:58 'Cause you got clipped in that fight, and you could see your gears spinning, like, "Not today, motherfucker."

Michael Bisping 1:00:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Like, "I am not gonna lose the same way. There's no fucking way I'm gonna let that guy knock me out again."

Michael Bisping 1:00:10 Well, because obviously if you're fighting Dan Henderson, the whole game plan is avoid the right hand.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Yeah. (laughs)

Michael Bisping 1:00:14 You know what I mean? But like my old boxing coach used to say, "You don't go in the rain without getting wet." He's built a career on that right hand.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Mm-hmm.

Michael Bisping 1:00:21 He's gonna land it probably.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Isn't that wild?

Michael Bisping 1:00:23 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 It's wild when someone has like one weapon that's so fucking powerful, you know? 'Cause it's like, I mean, I think he hurt Hector Lombard with a left too.

Michael Bisping 1:00:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 And then he high-kicked him, didn't he?

Michael Bisping 1:00:36 Well, no, I-

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 He KO'd him with an elbow, I believe.

Michael Bisping 1:00:39 But he, boom, and then came-

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:00:40 ... back like that again.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Yes.

Michael Bisping 1:00:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think he high-kicked him too.

Michael Bisping 1:00:44 Right, I'm not sure. Yeah, I was-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Which is-

Michael Bisping 1:00:46 ... warming up, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:00:46 I fought him the same night, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Yeah. It's, uh, but that fight too, that was another example of your resolve, the fact that-

Michael Bisping 1:00:54 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 ... you got rocked and you still figured out a way to win that fight.

Michael Bisping 1:00:58 W- well, thank you, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 And weather the storm.

Michael Bisping 1:00:59 He shattered my orbital in that one w-

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Did he really?

Michael Bisping 1:01:02 Yeah, in the first round, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 The good eye or the bad eye?

Michael Bisping 1:01:04 Good eye.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Michael Bisping 1:01:06 So, the good eye, th- th- there's a, there's pictures online, and you see my, my cheek is out here.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:01:11 And in the fourth and fifth round-

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 There it is. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:01:14 ... I couldn't see out of my good eye. I mean, I couldn't-

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Oh, my God.

Michael Bisping 1:01:17 If it, if I moved around a little bit, moved my head around a touch, I could just kinda see a little slit of him, a little angle of him. So, yeah, that last, that last couple of rounds was bad. And then I remember I got back to the hotel and the swelling got so bad, the actual eye shut and I couldn't see.And that, that was kinda scary. I was in the shower and was crying a little bit, you know, 'cause you go blind, it's kinda scary. But yeah, after about a minute, I saw some ice on it, it went down.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Power is such a crazy thing. Like, you, you, you can't figure out who has it and who doesn't and why they have it and why they don't.

Michael Bisping 1:01:50 Yeah, it is crazy like that. I mean, yes, you can train it, you can-

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:01:54 ... work technique. You can get better.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Well, Jamal Hill. Jamal Hill, the guy who-

Michael Bisping 1:01:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 ... is, is, I mean, crazy.

Michael Bisping 1:01:58 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Like, his power is outstanding. It's just wild. It's wild how hard he hits.

Michael Bisping 1:02:04 He doesn't look like a guy that's gonna pack a punch like that-

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Right.

Michael Bisping 1:02:06 ... either. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 But God damn, he does.

Michael Bisping 1:02:08 Very... Oh my God. Jesus Christ. What he hit Johnny Walker with.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Woo! He just went stiff.

Michael Bisping 1:02:13 All of his fights.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 And flying backwards. All his fights.

Michael Bisping 1:02:15 Other than Paul-

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:02:16 ... Paul Craig.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 OSP. Yeah.

Michael Bisping 1:02:18 OSP, knocked him out.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Paul Craig has just got a nasty guard, man.

Michael Bisping 1:02:21 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 And... But here's the thing about Hill, what a great attitude he has. There's a video of him partying with Paul Craig-

Michael Bisping 1:02:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 ... after that fight. They're dancing, having a good time together.

Michael Bisping 1:02:30 Well, I had Jamal Hill on my podcast last week, and he's, he's got some funny stories, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 He's a funny guy, man. He was funny like-

Michael Bisping 1:02:36 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 ... talking about like when people were like dismissing, like you... Chael was dismissing the shot he hit, uh, Walker with-

Michael Bisping 1:02:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 ... saying it wasn't that big of a shot. He's like, "Come on."

Michael Bisping 1:02:44 It looked like a big shot.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 (laughs) Like a big-

Michael Bisping 1:02:46 Johnny Walker was unconscious on the floor.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 I mean, how can you say it's not a big shot?

Michael Bisping 1:02:49 Come on.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 He caught him coming in. He hit him perfect, he hit him right above the temple, like right there.

Michael Bisping 1:02:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 The guy stiffens up immediately and flies backwards.

Michael Bisping 1:02:58 Jamal was telling us some stories of his street fighting days, like taking on nine guys at once and stuff. Yeah, he's got some wild stories.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 (laughs) There's a... Remember Mike McDonald that, um, uh, the kid who used to fight at bantamweight?

Michael Bisping 1:03:10 Canadian?

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 I don't think he was Canadian. I wanna say he was like from Northern California.

Michael Bisping 1:03:16 Okay, no.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 But he was very slight-looking guy, like didn't look like a physically imposing guy, and would just murk motherfuckers.

Michael Bisping 1:03:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Just one-punch KO power. It was crazy. It was like, "Where is it coming from?"

Michael Bisping 1:03:29 Yeah, no, it is wild.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 It's-

Michael Bisping 1:03:30 L- l- like, Jason Perillo, he's a skinny little guy. I don't know