JRE MMA Show #119 with Michael Bisping

1. 0:00 – 1:53

   UFC broadcast weekend setup, condolences, and the Cain Velasquez case

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Good to see you, brother.

   3. MBMichael Bisping0:13

      Good to see you too, Joe.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      We're working together for the first time-

   5. MBMichael Bisping0:15

      Thanks a lot.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      ... this weekend.

   7. MBMichael Bisping0:16

      I know. I just told ya. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah, I'm very excited. I'm very excited about that. It's a fucking great card.

   9. MBMichael Bisping0:20

      Yeah. No, it really is. Uh, sick card. Dubious circumstances how I got the call, so my-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Very, very unfortunate.

   11. MBMichael Bisping0:27

       ... condolences to Daniel Cormier.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Daniel's mom passed away.

   13. MBMichael Bisping0:29

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Very, very, very unfortunate. You know, and this is-

   15. MBMichael Bisping0:32

       Very unfortunate.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... this is such a crazy week 'cause the Cain Velasquez story just came out, and we were having that conversation and, you know ...

   17. MBMichael Bisping0:40

       (sighs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Fuck, man. I mean-

   19. MBMichael Bisping0:41

       That's a heavy one.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       That's the heaviest. His four-year-old daughter was allegedly molested by this guy and you could only imagine the rage, the fucking rage that must've been going through that man's mind. I mean-

   21. MBMichael Bisping0:55

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       ... I, I get it. He-

   23. MBMichael Bisping0:58

       Apparently it was a hundred times. I don't know how they know that, but that's what's circulating.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       (sighs)

   25. MBMichael Bisping1:03

       And i- a- as you say, one time. When you hear that, that this-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   27. MBMichael Bisping1:08

       ... potentially has been going on for God knows how long. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       And he's got a little daughter, man. She's four.

   29. MBMichael Bisping1:14

       Oh, my God.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       She's a tiny little, cute little adorable girl and that's ...
2. 1:53 – 4:25

   Recidivism, sex-offender labels, and how “sex crime” categories can mislead

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:53

      It would've been. Yeah. I mean, that is, that is a sickness. There's like, there's certain sicknesses that people have, that human beings have, sicknesses of the mind, but that one, the molesting b- like a fucking baby, that's a b-

   2. MBMichael Bisping2:08

      (coughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      Four-year-old's like a baby. Molesting children is the sickest of all of those sicknesses.

   4. MBMichael Bisping2:15

      And he's never gonna get better?

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:16

      No, I just don't think they do, man.

   6. MBMichael Bisping2:18

      No. (sighs) A reformed pedophile?

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      I-

   8. MBMichael Bisping2:21

      Is there such a thing?

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      I don't know.

   10. MBMichael Bisping2:22

       I don't believe so.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       They say the recidivism rate is way high. It's really high.

   12. MBMichael Bisping2:28

       Mm-

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       What is the r- see, Google that. What's the recidivism rate for child molesters? I think-

   14. MBMichael Bisping2:34

       What does that mean, Joe? (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       Oh, sorry. Repeat offender.

   16. MBMichael Bisping2:36

       Using these big words on me.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       I use 'em wrong all the time. Don't worry about it.

   18. MBMichael Bisping2:39

       Recidiv- wha- what is it?

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Recidivism.

   20. MBMichael Bisping2:41

       Recidivism?

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Yeah.

   22. MBMichael Bisping2:42

       That's a new one. I've never heard that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Oh, okay.

   24. MBMichael Bisping2:43

       I don't have the, a bad vocabulary, but-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       (laughs)

   26. MBMichael Bisping2:46

       ... but that's pretty good. I like that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       It's, uh ... It just means you're, you go back to your old ways.

   28. MBMichael Bisping2:50

       Continues.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       You go back to offending. Yeah.

   30. MBMichael Bisping2:53

       Yeah.
3. 4:25 – 8:22

   Dreams, peeing nightmares, and Bisping’s extreme night terrors

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:25

      It reminds me of a nightmare I had recently. I had a nightmare recently that, uh, I had to pee so bad that I, I pissed in a restaurant on the floor and I was hoping nobody noticed.

   2. MBMichael Bisping4:36

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      It's the craziest dream. Like, I'm just remembering it now.

   4. MBMichael Bisping4:39

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      And that I l- like, uh, like, I feel like I got caught in the dream and I had to, like, pinch it off real quick. But I was, like, trying to piss on the floor in a restaurant somewhere.

   6. MBMichael Bisping4:47

      Yeah. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:48

      What, what is that? Like, try ... Decipher that.

   8. MBMichael Bisping4:51

      Yeah. Well, decipher this one. I have a lot of night terrors th- which is like extreme dreams I, I'm assuming. And I, I just wake up in the night screaming and doing crazy stuff. Couple of years ago, last time my wife's brother and his entire family came, they were all staying at my house, it's Christmas morning and I had one of my episodes. I don't know why. (laughs) I jumped outta bed Christmas morning, that's 5:30 AM, and I always sleep naked so I'm completely naked. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:16

      (laughs)

   10. MBMichael Bisping5:16

       I jump outta bed and, and my wife ... 'Cause I was still asleep so I didn't know I did it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       (laughs)

   12. MBMichael Bisping5:20

       I run out the, the bedroom, run down the stairs, right? Obviously thought someone was trying to kill me in my dream. Fell down the stairs, got up, run out the house-

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       (laughs)

   14. MBMichael Bisping5:29

       ... came to on the next door neighbor's wall, completely naked with-

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Oh, my God.

   16. MBMichael Bisping5:34

       I'd cut all my, my, my feet and everything up 'cause I was climbing over the walls naked.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       Oh, my God. (laughs)

   18. MBMichael Bisping5:39

       My wife's brother's family were like-

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       (laughs)

   20. MBMichael Bisping5:41

       ... "This guy's a fucking maniac. What is he doing?" (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       (laughs)

   22. MBMichael Bisping5:45

       I came to, I was sitting on the wall, I'm like, "Wow." Uh, that was a crazy one.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       Oh, I have a good friend of mine, her brother, they were on vacation and their brother has night terrors. And he ran out of the hotel room and ran through ... You know they have those glass railings in hotels on the second floor?

   24. MBMichael Bisping6:02

       Oh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Ran through the glass and fell to the second floor and now he's paralyzed.

   26. MBMichael Bisping6:07

       Mm.I was in Cancun last year. Same thing, 'cause we were up real high. And every night, I locked the doors.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       To keep yourself from doing that?

   28. MBMichael Bisping6:14

       Yeah, 'cause I was-

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Wow.

   30. MBMichael Bisping6:14

       I said to my wife, I said, "What if I run out there in the middle of the fucking night and we're 20 floors up?" You know what I mean? So, yeah.
4. 8:22 – 11:31

   Two knee replacements: surgery details, recovery misery, and training limitations

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      Speaking of which, I can't believe that you can run on these, uh, artificial knees now. That is amazing.

   2. MBMichael Bisping8:28

      Yeah. Yeah. I mean-

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:30

      You know, you, do that thing where you, you showed me. You tap it. Do it so, like, with the, the, uh, microphone can hear it.

   4. MBMichael Bisping8:35

      Hold on. Let's have a look.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:36

      Listen to this knee. This is the artificial knee. (tapping sounds)

   6. MBMichael Bisping8:41

      That's both. That one doesn't do it as well.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:43

      Wow.

   8. MBMichael Bisping8:44

      But, yeah. Yeah. I mean-

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:46

      So, you had them replaced?

   10. MBMichael Bisping8:48

       Yeah. Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       Fully? So, what did they do? Did they cut the top of the knee off and put, like, a new thing and screw it in? Like, they do it a few different ways, like resurfacing-

   12. MBMichael Bisping8:57

       Hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       ... and sometimes they, they, they have to, the joints disf- like, I have a friend whose, his joint was disformed because, uh-

   14. MBMichael Bisping9:04

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       ... he had gone without cartilage for so long, bone on bone, that the bones-

   16. MBMichael Bisping9:09

       Hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:09

       ... started, like, getting spurs and-

   18. MBMichael Bisping9:11

       Yeah. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       ... they had to, they had to cut his open.

   20. MBMichael Bisping9:14

       Yeah. E- essentially, so they, they, they cut, cut the leg open, obviously, remove the entire knee, shave down the femur, shave down the tibia and the fibula, put in a whole new knee, attach the tendons, staple you up, and off you pop.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       Wow.

   22. MBMichael Bisping9:27

       And then, uh, oh, the, the recovery's awful.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:30

       Yeah?

   24. MBMichael Bisping9:31

       Awful. I mean, my leg's swelled up to about this size. Um, and then that was my left knee, which gave me problems ever since I trained with Georges St-Pierre in, uh, 2005. I tore my PCL. So, it was just one thing after the other, you know, wear and tear. But my right knee had never bothered me once, never any issue whatsoever until I had the left knee replaced, and then as soon as that healed, started having pain in my right knee.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       Really?

   26. MBMichael Bisping9:54

       Yeah. And then they said, "Yeah, you need that one replaced as well." I'm like, "I've never felt any pain." They went, "Well, that's crazy, because that needs shot as well." So, yeah, had them both done. Uh, best thing I ever did. You know? I mean, it's weird. It's weird. It's a weird sensation. Even now, if I go on my knees, it's not pain, but it's just a very strange... I mean, they're still numb, you know what I mean?

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:17

       Yeah.

   28. MBMichael Bisping10:17

       So, so there's no feeling there. So, doing jujitsu, you know, uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       So, you're training again?

   30. MBMichael Bisping10:22

       Uh, no. Well, I was gonna say doing jujitsu is an issue, you know.
5. 11:31 – 15:28

   Aging parents, stem cells, and the cost of combat-sport wear and tear

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:31

      My mom's trying to avoid one right now. She's had some real pain in one of her knees, and, uh, I sent her down to Panama to a-

   2. MBMichael Bisping11:39

      Hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      ... stem cell clinic, and that helped a lot. That killed all the pain. Like, she, she went down there, and six months later... She was real, like, concerned because it was, like, six months and there was no improvement. She's like, "I don't think it worked on me." And then after six months, the pain went away, and then it's, like, slowly got better.

   4. MBMichael Bisping11:54

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:54

      So, I've sent her down there a second time, and, uh, I'd like to, like, keep her going. I would try to avoid the... Because the thing about it when you're older too, she's like 75, you know, when you're older-

   6. MBMichael Bisping12:07

      Hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:07

      ... you don't heal good, man.

   8. MBMichael Bisping12:08

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:09

      You know, I imagine if it's rough for you, what's it gonna be like for my mom, you know?

   10. MBMichael Bisping12:12

       Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to do the same thing with my mum. She had polio when she was a kid.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       Oh, Jesus.

   12. MBMichael Bisping12:16

       So, she, she, well, she can't walk now, you know, 'cause she broke her hip. She always had a terrible limp, but then she fell over and broke her hip, and it just hasn't healed right. But they say in, in, the doctors in England said they can't operate 'cause the bones are too soft.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:30

       Oh.

   14. MBMichael Bisping12:30

       But the guy that did my knee replacement, he said that's bullshit. He said we operate on porous bones all the time. So, I'm trying to get her to come out here so we can...... do something with her, but that's gotta... I've gotta get her on a plane first. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:41

       Right.

   16. MBMichael Bisping12:42

       You know? She, she's almost 80. She didn't wanna leave the house, let alone fly to England to have an operation. Sorry, fly to the States to have an operation, you know, so...

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       A friend of mine was telling me about his dad who got a hip replacement, and he said he almost wished his dad didn't get it. He goes, 'cause yes, his dad was in pain before the hip replacement. He goes, but his dad is so frail after the surgery 'cause he was-

   18. MBMichael Bisping13:03

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:03

       ... close to 82, I th- as well.

   20. MBMichael Bisping13:05

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       And I think that when, you know, the surgery itself, which is so... I mean, they saw the top of your femur off and they... It's a lot, a lot going on.

   22. MBMichael Bisping13:14

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       And it was so traumatic that he never really fully recovered, and he's been way worse-

   24. MBMichael Bisping13:19

       Hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       ... since then 'cause just the, the surgery. That's one thing that people have to take into consideration. It's like, you're gonna be... Your body's gotta recover from that. It takes a long-ass time.

   26. MBMichael Bisping13:29

       I said to my doctor when I, when I... The day I had the knee replacement, I was leaving, I said, "When do you think, uh, I can, like, move again, you know, be walking about?" He said, "Oh, you can do a Peloton class today." (laughs) He was fucking so full of shit. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       (laughs)

   28. MBMichael Bisping13:43

       He's a great guy. I'm like, "I couldn't move my leg forever." I'm like... He said, "Oh, you'll be able to do the Peloton class today if you want." I was... Yeah, and then part of the rehab when they were coming was just trying to... 'Cause I had a Peloton bike right there. He's like, "Just, just try and do one rotation on it," you know. But that took months, or, or a few weeks should I say, not months.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       Wait a minute. I saw you in a hospital gown trying to do a jumping front kick right after you got out.

   30. MBMichael Bisping14:07

       Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know.
6. 15:28 – 18:37

   Neck surgery, disc replacements, and the cascade effect of spinal problems

   1. MBMichael Bisping15:28

      I've got one eye. I got... I had to have my nose rebuilt. They took my ribs and rebuilt that. What else? My neck. I had neck surgery last year. Gotta have two more plates take, uh, put in, two discs taken out, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:38

      What are they doing, the, to your neck?

   3. MBMichael Bisping15:39

      Well, remember years ago we were talking about it?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:41

      Yeah, yeah. You had-

   5. MBMichael Bisping15:42

      So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      ... a bulging disc-

   7. MBMichael Bisping15:43

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      ... and it was like atrophying your arm, right?

   9. MBMichael Bisping15:45

      Correct, yeah. It still does that. So they went in through my throat, sliced me open there, pushed my throat to the side, took a disc out, put a titanium plate in and four screws.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Was this while you were still fighting?

   11. MBMichael Bisping15:54

       No, this was last year.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Oh, okay.

   13. MBMichael Bisping15:56

       Last year, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       So you've got one of them articulating discs-

   15. MBMichael Bisping16:00

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       ... in there.

   17. MBMichael Bisping16:00

       Something. How does that-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       How's that work?

   19. MBMichael Bisping16:02

       I'm still in pain.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Still in pain?

   21. MBMichael Bisping16:04

       St- they've gotta do it two more times. I said to the doctor 'cause that terrified me. Just the thought of coming through the throat, messing with the spine. You know, that's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Yeah.

   23. MBMichael Bisping16:12

       ... scary. So I put it off for years, and, uh, in the end, I just couldn't take the pain anymore. But I said, "If I do this, it's gonna take care of this?" He says, "Yeah, I guarantee you 100%." And, uh, yeah, I'm gonna have it done two more times.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Fuck. So two more separate operations or one operation with the replacement?

   25. MBMichael Bisping16:29

       I'm hoping one. And I said, "Can you go in through the same scar?" Because I don't want slashes all over my neck.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Yeah.

   27. MBMichael Bisping16:35

       People already see me running down the street naked, fucking half asleep.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       (laughs)

   29. MBMichael Bisping16:39

       Dude, I, I don't, I don't need slashes on my neck as well-

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       (laughs)
7. 18:37 – 24:35

   Knee rehab culture: Bisping’s son, ACL injuries, and “Knees Over Toes” training

   1. MBMichael Bisping18:37

      It is. You know, we were saying just before, my son, he just... He's a wrestler, he loves it, that's his life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:42

      Yeah.

   3. MBMichael Bisping18:42

      And, you know, it's such a great sport. I mean, what they've done with my son, the wrestling coaches, it's amazing, really molded him into a great young man.

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:49

      Yeah, it's been cool watching him on Instagram.

   5. MBMichael Bisping18:51

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:51

      It's nice. (coughs) It's nice wi- watching, you know, uh, a son of a champion, you know, get into combat sports himself. It's exciting.

   7. MBMichael Bisping18:59

      Yeah, well, I don't think he wants to fight. People ask that all the time. I don't think he wants to fight. I mean, I say I fought so he doesn't have to, you know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:06

      Yeah.

   9. MBMichael Bisping19:07

      Uh, but if he wanted to, of course I would support him. But, um... Yeah, he's had a lot of knee problems as well, and then sadly, they took his meniscus out, as I said.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       Yeah.

   11. MBMichael Bisping19:16

       Made it back for the end of the season, went to regionals, first takedown he shot, got the takedown, but blew his ACL out on his good knee. So, he's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Oh. Well-

   13. MBMichael Bisping19:25

       He's m- He's very depressed right now.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       (clears throat) He's a young guy, and they can replace your meniscus when you're young. They do cadaver meniscus grafts, and apparently on young people it's pretty effective. Um, but there's another thing that, uh, we've talked about on this podcast, 'cause I had the guy on. He's got a, a, a Instagram page, I don't know if you've ever seen, it's called Kneesovertoesguy.

   15. MBMichael Bisping19:44

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:44

       I've been doing that for about seven months now.

   17. MBMichael Bisping19:48

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       And it's completely changed my knees. All the pain that I had in my knees is gone.

   19. MBMichael Bisping19:53

       It-

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       Like, my new... My knees are so much stronger than they've ever been before.

   21. MBMichael Bisping19:56

       It's funny you mention that because (clears throat) that's exactly what, uh, Calum, my son, was talking about.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       Yeah.

   23. MBMichael Bisping20:01

       H- He'd been recommended it, and I said, I said, "I think I've heard Joe Rogan talking about that."

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       Yeah.

   25. MBMichael Bisping20:05

       And then a lot of people on Twitter, "You need to follow Kneesovertoes."

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       It's incredible.

   27. MBMichael Bisping20:09

       I, I haven't done it yet.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       Mike, it's incredible. It's incredible.

   29. MBMichael Bisping20:11

       Really?

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:11

       Yeah, I recommend it to everybody. I mean, even with your fake knees, it's like, it's gonna strengthen all the muscles around the knees that stabilize the knee.
8. 24:35 – 30:38

   Modern MMA talent and highlight reels: Chimaev, Holland at 170, and size/power dynamics

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:35

      It's c- It's, it's crazy how many seasons have been and how much talents come from there. And then on top of that, you got the Contender Series.

   2. MBMichael Bisping24:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:41

      How much talent's coming out of that.

   4. MBMichael Bisping24:42

      Oh, I know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:43

      The fucking level now, man. There's-

   6. MBMichael Bisping24:45

      It's insane.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:46

      Some of these guys-

   8. MBMichael Bisping24:47

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:47

      ... like that, you know, uh, t-... like, like Hamzat. Look at that guy.

   10. MBMichael Bisping24:52

       Oh, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:52

       I mean, what the fuck, man?

   12. MBMichael Bisping24:54

       Hey, and you wanna hear what I hear, it's crazy. Like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:58

       The training sessions?

   14. MBMichael Bisping24:58

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:59

       Yeah.

   16. MBMichael Bisping24:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:59

       That's what I hear too.

   18. MBMichael Bisping25:00

       He, he's over... 'Cause Darren Till's there right now-

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:02

       Yeah.

   20. MBMichael Bisping25:02

       ... at Allstars in Sweden. And, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:05

       What'd Darren tell you?

   22. MBMichael Bisping25:06

       He's a fucking animal.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:07

       Yeah.

   24. MBMichael Bisping25:07

       He's just an absolute animal, nonstop in every way. Striking, wrestling, conditioning. Apparently, you know, 'cause he, all his fights have finished real quick.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Yeah.

   26. MBMichael Bisping25:16

       So he's never had to show that side of things. But apparently, his conditioning is like nothing you've ever seen as well.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       Well, you see the training footage and you see the intensity that this guy pursues everything with.

   28. MBMichael Bisping25:26

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       It makes me-

   30. MBMichael Bisping25:26

       Yeah.
9. 30:38 – 37:50

   Rockhold, Yoel Romero stories, and “freak athlete” genetics vs. systems

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      That's why guys like Rockhold at 85 was like, he was always a nightmare, because he was so big at 85-

   2. MBMichael Bisping30:43

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      ... and he had such a long reach, you know?

   4. MBMichael Bisping30:45

      Yeah, he was huge. Yeah. Poor old Luke.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      Is he coming back? Like-

   6. MBMichael Bisping30:49

      I th-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:50

      ... I keep hearing he's going to and he's training-

   8. MBMichael Bisping30:52

      Paolo Costa. He's calling out Paolo Costa-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:54

      Really?

   10. MBMichael Bisping30:54

       ... which I think would be a great fight for him, because...

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       That's a big jump. Let's jump right, right back into the deep waters, you know?

   12. MBMichael Bisping31:00

       Deep end.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       Yeah.

   14. MBMichael Bisping31:01

       Straight back in, which I have to respect.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Yeah, you gotta respect it. But that-

   16. MBMichael Bisping31:04

       But-

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       ... that's what I expect from a guy like Luke.

   18. MBMichael Bisping31:06

       Yeah. Yeah, 'cause like, you, you know-... a lot of people like to talk shit about him now or laugh at him or whatever.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       Well, you used to.

   20. MBMichael Bisping31:12

       I did. I did.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       (laughs)

   22. MBMichael Bisping31:13

       But that was a long time ago. That was 2016. That was six years ago, Joe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       'Cause you had to. You fought him once, he beat you, and then you knocked him out.

   24. MBMichael Bisping31:20

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       And you won the title from him.

   26. MBMichael Bisping31:21

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       So it's like you're even-

   28. MBMichael Bisping31:23

       Yeah. No, exactly. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       ... I guess. You're kind of a little ahead.

   30. MBMichael Bisping31:25

       I'm ahead. (laughs)
10. 37:50 – 52:42

    Bisping’s one-eye career: injuries, cheating eye tests, and fighting through 2D vision

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:50

       (clears throat) Do you remember, uh, there was that guy that was, uh, fighting in, um, the PFL that had one eye?

    2. MBMichael Bisping37:56

       Oh, yeah. Uh, Nick Newell.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:58

       That's right.

    4. MBMichael Bisping37:58

       Nick Newell.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:59

       Yeah.

    6. MBMichael Bisping37:59

       He fought on The Contender as well.

    7. JRJoe Rogan38:00

       Mm-hmm.

    8. MBMichael Bisping38:01

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan38:02

       Yeah.

    10. MBMichael Bisping38:02

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan38:02

        I mean-

    12. MBMichael Bisping38:02

        That always pissed me off.

    13. JRJoe Rogan38:04

        Why?

    14. MBMichael Bisping38:05

        No, I don't mean Nick Newell fighting with one hand pissed me off, but how can you fight with one hand, but you can't fight with one eye?

    15. JRJoe Rogan38:11

        They told you you can't fight?

    16. MBMichael Bisping38:13

        No, you can't. You can't fight with one eye.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:15

        But yeah, how... Like, I always wanted to ask you this. When was your vision first compromised? Was it after the... It was after the Vitor fight, right?

    18. MBMichael Bisping38:22

        It, it was the Vitor fight that did it. Uh, and I slowly s- started getting, uh, symptoms. I was do- doing this a lot in restaurants. You know when restaurants are dark, some of them? I was like... I was doing this, you know, and my friends would be like, "Oh, he's doing that thing again with his hands." I'm like, "Can you see your hand there if you do that?" And I was-

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:37

        So, but to the people who are just listening, you have your hand next to your face and you're, like-

    20. MBMichael Bisping38:41

        Yeah, I'll be, I'll be, like-

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:41

        ... moving your fingers around.

    22. MBMichael Bisping38:42

        Yeah, yeah, trying to-

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:42

        And you couldn't see it?

    24. MBMichael Bisping38:43

        Yeah, exactly. And then by the end, it was, like, right in front of me there and I couldn't see. And it was at that point I called the doctor. But, um, I fought Allen Belcher after the Vitor Belfort fight. And then, uh, as I say, as this was getting worse and worse and worse, I called the doctor and he said, "Yeah, you got a detached retina." They fixed that. It re-detached. I got glaucoma. It was just, just bad luck, one thing after the other. Anything that could go wrong with an eye went wrong. Um, yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan39:12

        How did you get to the point where you were fighting GSP? Like, how, how did you pass those tests?

    26. MBMichael Bisping39:16

        With great difficulty. Lying, cheating, bullshit codes.

    27. JRJoe Rogan39:21

        (laughs)

    28. MBMichael Bisping39:21

        I fucking lied to so many doctors. Like, I wa- I wa- I went to England. I was doing some, uh, work for BT Sport at the time. Dana was trying to help me out because looks like, looked like I wasn't gonna be fighting, you know? So I went over there doing some work for BT Sport, and, uh, you know, I was talking about fighting again. And they said, "Well, we wanna take you to a doctor of our choice." So I said, "All right, cool, whatever." And I'm shitting my pants, you know? And I, I, I had to do this test where you look into this thing and there's all these lights, you know? And you push a button when you see a light pop up. And I just fucking gue- I passed it. I, I just fucking guessed it. I went-

    29. JRJoe Rogan39:56

        You just guessed it?

    30. MBMichael Bisping39:57

        I guessed it and I passed, right?
11. 52:42 – 1:11:06

    TRT Vitor, early MMA steroid era, and how rules reshaped the sport

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:42

       (clears throat) And then, the Vitor thing is a strange situation because what Vitor did was technically legal, but everybody knows it's cheating.

    2. MBMichael Bisping52:53

       Mm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan52:54

       Right? Like, Vitor was on TRT-

    4. MBMichael Bisping52:57

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan52:57

       ... but he was on-

    6. MBMichael Bisping52:59

       Probably a lot.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:00

       ... s- superhuman doses. Well, we know. We know he got tested. Remember? He was one of the reasons why TRT was removed.

    8. MBMichael Bisping53:07

       Mm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:07

       Because they tested Vitor and, uh, I forget which event it was, and he was off the charts.

    10. MBMichael Bisping53:13

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:14

        And his excuse was that he had showed up, um... He was gonna be in America for, like, a week and a half, so he took, like, a large dose.

    12. MBMichael Bisping53:22

        Oh, really? Oh.

    13. JRJoe Rogan53:22

        So that... Because he couldn't take, you know, his second dose or s-... or, you know, what- whatever it was.

    14. MBMichael Bisping53:27

        I see. Yeah, I mean-

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        Whatever... I forget exactly how he said it, but I remember when they looked at the levels, they're like, "This is not just testosterone replacement."

    16. MBMichael Bisping53:36

        Hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan53:36

        "This is, for sure, super physiological. This is, like, not what a normal person ever has in terms of the... this range-

    18. MBMichael Bisping53:43

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan53:43

        ... of hormones in your system." And when Vitor would fight back then, he was a fucking berserker.

    20. MBMichael Bisping53:51

        Oh, he was great. I mean-

    21. JRJoe Rogan53:52

        He was-

    22. MBMichael Bisping53:52

        ... 'cause he was already a very good fighter.

    23. JRJoe Rogan53:54

        Very good fighter and just super juiced.

    24. MBMichael Bisping53:57

        Hmm. Oh, yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan53:57

        I mean, he was just so aggressive and so ripped, man.

    26. MBMichael Bisping54:00

        Yeah. I mean, that run he went on down in Brazil, it was-

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:03

        That fucking run.

    28. MBMichael Bisping54:04

        ... Franklin, Akiyama-

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:05

        Yeah.

    30. MBMichael Bisping54:05

        ... myself, Rockhold.

Episode duration: 3:06:38