EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- JMJim Miller
The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we're up. You got a cookbook? What's going on?
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, coming out with a, with a fucking cookbook.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are you a good cook, legitimately?
- JMJim Miller
I try. (laughs) I, I, I think so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I, I see you cook on Instagram. Looks like you're into it.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah. I am. Uh, yeah, uh, food has always been, uh, a pretty big part of my life. Uh, I grew up in a, a family of cooks. I, I actually consider myself probably the worst cook in my family. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Don't say that before you sell your book.
- JMJim Miller
I know, I know. But like, I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JMJim Miller
... I'm still pretty good. Like, both... My brother Dan and my, my other brother Michael are both... They're phenomenal. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Your brother Dan has the nastiest guillotine finish I've ever seen-
- JMJim Miller
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in all my years of watching MMA.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That one in the IFL where he had that dude pinned up against the cage. It looks like his head is gone.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It looks like it's disappeared. Like his head is, it's, it's... Like, the way it bends over-
- JMJim Miller
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's like... Folks, it's like an elbow.
- JMJim Miller
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it's just-
- JMJim Miller
It doesn't make any sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
Doesn't make any sense.
- JMJim Miller
No, I didn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
And sideways.
- JMJim Miller
I didn't see that. I was on the... We were on the opposite side, uh, of the ring. I didn't see that until the next day. I was, like, scrolling through some pictures on, uh, on one of the forums, and I was like, "Holy shit."
- JRJoe Rogan
Here, watch this. Here. Let's see. Look. Let's see if they can-
- JMJim Miller
Oh.
- 15:00 – 30:00
No striking training? …
- JMJim Miller
it, it, it taught me a lot about kinda surrounding myself with people that support me, 'cause I didn't quite have that in the coaching staff. Um, and, uh, yeah, I wrestled for a year. Was pissed off 'cause I didn't like, you know, the program and, and, uh, came back. Was, was working a little bit, and my brother and I and Dan were, were messing around at work, working with our father and, and finally decided to start training jujitsu. And, um, we walked into the f- the first gym that we trained at in May of 2005. Um, came in, we had been like fucking around, so we ended up like submitting some guys in the first day. And, and, uh, we told the coach like, "Hey," like, "we wanna fight." And he's like, "All right, give me like two or three years." And, uh, six months later we were, (laughs) we were st- stepping into the, into a ring for our first professional fight, 'cause there was no amateur at the time. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
No striking training?
- JMJim Miller
Uh, f- literally three months of striking training at a, at a cardio kickboxing class. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
So at that place that you were telling me about, Planet Jujitsu?
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, yeah. So, uh, yeah. It was a, it was, it was a trip, you know? Rolled, rolled the dice a little bit. Um, you know, at the... Yeah, then it was just like fight after fight. I mean, in, in a year I had six fights basically, so...
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's the way to do it, right?
- JMJim Miller
Y- that's... I, I, I believe so. Uh, I think that's one of the biggest issues with like local MMA right now is that they're making these fighters sign agreements, so you're kinda locked in and then, and then it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
How so?
- JMJim Miller
Well, they're making, they're making fighters like, like local promotions, local shows are making fighters fight exclusively for them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's terrible.
- JMJim Miller
And then they're only putting on, you know, three cards a year.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's fucking terrible. They're doing that?
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, don't do that, guys.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Don't sign that. Don't sign that. Whoever you, whoever's listening, amateur fighters-
- JMJim Miller
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... guys coming up, don't sign that. That will fuck you.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Those guys, that's unethical.
- JMJim Miller
It is.
- JRJoe Rogan
They sh- they should not do that.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because if y- you know, like, look, if you have a good promotion and you pay well and you put on a good show, people will fight for you.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you wanna say that a guy has to be exclusive on a small card-
- JMJim Miller
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then he gets a call from one FC-
- 30:00 – 45:00
Yeah. …
- JMJim Miller
I hate the idea of like telling somebody like, "Hey, you know-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JMJim Miller
"... you should... You need to hang him up." Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
What would you do though if you're a coach and a fighter, and you, you realize that they're, they're having problems. You see telltale signs and slurring words and things along those lines?
- JMJim Miller
I think in, I think in that position as the, as the coach, um, it's your responsibility, you know, to have that, have that conversation with somebody. And, and they might not take it well.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JMJim Miller
Um, but... Like coaches have a very important job and, and that is to, that is to protect their athlete, you know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JMJim Miller
You're not only trying to make somebody better but you're trying to protect them. Um, and like... Unfortunately, in the, in this sport and the way that it is, is like sometimes the coach has fucking 30 athletes, you know. And a l- (laughs) and a lot of times they're, "Hey, they're all here on sparring day." So it's like, uh...... it's hard to pick out, like, who's having... All right, who's having a bad day? Like who's, who's not on today that, hmm, maybe we should just pull m- you know, w- we'll go, go hit the bag today. Go, we'll do a, we'll do a conditioning workout, something like that. But no, it's a hard sparring day so, we're... That's what, that's what we're geared up for. That's what everybody's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JMJim Miller
... you know, (laughs) they, they got a stiffy on hard sparring day 'cause it's, it's the fun day. Um...
- JRJoe Rogan
And you gotta make the differentiation between a bad day and your skills are eroding.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, yeah. And like, uh, like that's w- that's one of the things that I can definitely attribute to my ability to be s- still sticking around here at 40, you know, just about 40 fights. And uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
How old are you now?
- JMJim Miller
38.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JMJim Miller
Um, is that like, I, I opened my own place and (sighs) dude, like being able to train with a, with a good group of guys that I trust and not have a fucking target on my back, is, is awesome. Um, you know...
- JRJoe Rogan
And when did you open up your own place?
- JMJim Miller
Uh, end of 2014.
- JRJoe Rogan
Tell everybody what that is.
- JMJim Miller
Uh, well actually, I ended up selling it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you really?
- JMJim Miller
Uh, but yeah, yeah. So I opened up, uh, Miller Brothers MMA in 2014 then, um, in-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it still called Miller Brothers MMA?
- JMJim Miller
No, no, no. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That would be weird.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, it would be weird, wouldn't it?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JMJim Miller
Uh, yeah, I sold it to one of the guys who, uh, who worked for me. And, and uh, you know, one of my training partners, uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
How come you sold it?
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Mm-hmm. …
- JRJoe Rogan
in, and is doing all the discipline things that you need to be at a... They're gonna edge you.
- JMJim Miller
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or they might knock you out. They might catch you. They might catch you because y- even though you're a bad motherfucker, there's a lot of bad motherfuckers.
- JMJim Miller
There are. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a lot.
- JMJim Miller
And, and everybody's got an off switch, and every-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JMJim Miller
Like, everybody can make a mistake. Everybody can get submitted.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JMJim Miller
Like, uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JMJim Miller
Fucking plenty of jujitsu black belts, you throw strikes into the mix, have been-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- JMJim Miller
... have been choked out, so...
- JRJoe Rogan
When, uh, Rodolfo Viera got submitted.
- JMJim Miller
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remember, uh, Hernandez caught him in a guillotine, and we're like, "No-"
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... fucking way."
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that tells you right there, that guy is a gorilla.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, he is fucking jacked, and a, an elite Brazilian jujitsu black belt, and for him to get submitted?
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Anybody can get submitted.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jacare got submitted.
- JMJim Miller
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remember? I mean, the, people get submitted.
- JMJim Miller
Got his arm broke (laughs) .
- 1:00:00 – 1:14:17
(laughs) …
- JMJim Miller
about two years.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JMJim Miller
Uh, like, so I had a six-month period, like, eight weeks off. Well, a little more than eight weeks off, but, uh, you know, a couple months off and then basically two years. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy.
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a lot.
- JMJim Miller
It is a lot. And I, I c- (laughs) what, what, what made me completely stop, I kinda had figured it, like, figured out how to, you know, the diet and all that stuff, right? Um, and, with the medi- meds, and the, and, and the supplements, um... And I ended up getting the stomach bug was going around. So the last time that I took doxycycline was, uh, New Year's Eve 2018. Uh, I rung in the new year puking my brains out, and I was like, "T- like, I can't, I can't do this anymore." Like, it was like, it was a, you know, a bad one. And it's like, "That's it, that's... I haven't, I haven't taken Doxy since."
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you have to take probiotics while you were taking that-
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to, to help your gut health?
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
What stuff did you take?
- JMJim Miller
Um, I took a few over the years. Um, a couple of, yeah, a couple different brands. I, I was tryna, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
What about, like, fermented foods-
- JMJim Miller
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like kimchi and stuff like that?
- JMJim Miller
Yeah, like, w- right after that, like, when I was sick, uh, with that, with that stomach bug, like, yeah, it was like, uh, kefir and yogurt. And like, that's all I ate for like a couple weeks was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JMJim Miller
... was, uh, anything fermented. Sauerkraut, you know, unpasteurized sauerkraut, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JMJim Miller
... kimchi and shit (laughs) . It was like, that was a, that was a ball of gas. But... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JMJim Miller
But yeah, I felt like it kinda kickstarted me into, like, tr- a little bit repairing maybe some of the damage.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JMJim Miller
I don't know if I totally did. But, uh, yeah, it was, uh...... it was a, it was a long fucking road, you know. And, uh, it's, it's a, it's such a shitty thing 'cause it's like, since people don't always test positive for it, it's hard to get diagnosed with it. Um, and you have to, like ... (sighs) I mean, some doctors don't, they don't like, uh ... it's not that they don't understand, it's that they don't necessarily appreciate what, what everybody's going through. And there's like t- kind of two schools of thought with it. There's a lot that say, "Hey, you know, it doesn't matter how long you've had it, three weeks of doxycycline is gonna kill it." And then there's the other side that's like, "No, like, it, it can be fucking stubborn." Um, you know, and, uh, it's, uh ... for, for me it was easy because I was the one fighting it. Like, I'll fucking, I'll deal with anything, you know. Uh, it, the scary part is, like, my kids. Like, like fuck, man. Like, I, it, it... I don't, I don't want them to have to, you know, deal with the bullshit. Like, I'm, I'm used to being in pain, you know? Like, I'm used to being uncomfortable because it's like I, I appreciate it. (laughs) eh- being a, being a lifelong athlete, it's like, "Oh yeah, my, my knees are sore, my back is sore." It's like, "It's supposed to be like that 'cause it means I went hard yesterday." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- JMJim Miller
You know? Like, uh, I- I've, I've had the, the opportunity to meet a lot of people that, uh, have been super, uh, like, super tough and, and, uh, you know, elegantly fought this thing. Um, it's, uh, it's a, it's a shitty, shitty little thing, you know? The- the ticks are assholes, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
They're fucking everywhere, too.
- JMJim Miller
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so common on the East Coast.
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