JRE MMA Show #121 with Bobby Green

1. 0:00 – 3:34

   Cold open: blunt preferences and rolling culture

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. BGBobby Green0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) A fan ever since.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Okay.

   5. BGBobby Green0:13

      That's what I- my preferred method.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Now, now blunt. What kind of blunt? (inhales deeply) Well, he was using, um, Swisher Sweets-

   7. BGBobby Green0:21

      There we go.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      ... I believe.

   9. BGBobby Green0:22

      So there we go. I figured you'd say so.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Hmm.

   11. BGBobby Green0:24

       And when I first started smoking, I was a Swisher guy. You know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah.

   13. BGBobby Green0:27

       I'd get the little grape Swishers and little flavors and stuff like that. But as it got, uh, as I got more efficient in smoking, I started stepping, taking little steps here and trying this and trying-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Hmm.

   15. BGBobby Green0:36

       ... those wraps and trying these things, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Like a chef.

   17. BGBobby Green0:39

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Like a chef experiments with new spices.

   19. BGBobby Green0:40

       So now I'm going to kick you to a backwood, okay?

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Oh, okay. But I've had backwood.

   21. BGBobby Green0:45

       Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Yeah. You know there's-

   23. BGBobby Green0:46

       You can have my backwood though.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... companies that roll, um, Nick from, uh, Foundation Cigar sent me some-

   25. BGBobby Green0:52

       I've seen that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       ... papers. It's like they use like real... That's it right there. Thank you, sir. This stuff right here. This is, uh, where you don't have to destroy a cigar. They just give you the actual leaf.

   27. BGBobby Green1:03

       The actual leaf. Yeah, yeah, I know. I see everybody coming out with those now.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Yeah. 'Cause a lot of people, to do it, they-

   29. BGBobby Green1:07

       They're realizing that we're not even fucking using the fucking taba- tobacco.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       ... it's kind of a waste. Yeah. I bet that's a giant percentage of the amount of... Right?
2. 3:34 – 6:57

   Early friendship: Icehouse memories and Strikeforce era vibes

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:34

      So Bobby.

   2. BGBobby Green3:36

      ... I want to talk about the old days.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      I want to talk about everything.

   4. BGBobby Green3:39

      I want to talk about the old days.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:40

      I'll, I'll talk about whatever you want to talk about.

   6. BGBobby Green3:42

      You know-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      But, uh-

   8. BGBobby Green3:43

      Like, I seen you way back. I don't even know if you remember.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      I remember we hung out at the Icehouse.

   10. BGBobby Green3:48

       You remember?

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       Yeah, Pasadena.

   12. BGBobby Green3:50

       Fuck yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Shit, that was like-

   14. BGBobby Green3:51

       Okay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       Bro, that was more than 10 years ago.

   16. BGBobby Green3:53

       You fucking remember. You got a great memory.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Yeah, we hung out.

   18. BGBobby Green3:56

       Yeah, okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Fun, fun times.

   20. BGBobby Green3:57

       So let me ask you this then.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       That was like... When, when was that?

   22. BGBobby Green4:00

       That was when I was in Strikeforce. I waited in line to meet you.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       2006 or seven or some shit.

   24. BGBobby Green4:04

       I'm like, "Hey, uh, hey, Joe, like, I'm a big fan." And I'm li- I'm like, "Yeah, I'm Bobby Green." You're like ... You didn't recognize my face, which nobody does, because I don't know what it is. I just change my look.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Well, I just-

   26. BGBobby Green4:15

       I don't got the bolts on my face.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       F- when I see fighters, I associate everybody in shorts, with no shirt on, with gloves on.

   28. BGBobby Green4:22

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       That's how I remember you. Like, uh, you don't see a lot of guys, like, out on the street and then you go, "Oh, Bobby." Like, that happens all the time to me. I run into a guy and I'm like, "Why do I know this dude?" You're like, "Oh, I fucking commentated his fights."

   30. BGBobby Green4:32

       Yeah, me and a friend of ours, where we go out to all your little shows and Icehouse and kind of support. I'm not going to use that leaf for this one-
3. 6:57 – 8:44

   Finding MMA the hard way: Shad Smith, Felony Fights, and no ‘one-stop’ gyms

   1. BGBobby Green6:57

      Do you remember Shad Smith?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:59

      Shad Smith? Yeah, I do remember Shad Smith.

   3. BGBobby Green7:01

      That was my first coach.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:02

      No kidding.

   5. BGBobby Green7:03

      First coach.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      Wow.

   7. BGBobby Green7:05

      I didn't know anything about MMA. Um, I saw Felony Fights. You know what Felony Fights is?

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:09

      Yes.

   9. BGBobby Green7:10

      He was on there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       Didn't Shad Smith fight Duane Ludwig in, uh, King of the Cage?

   11. BGBobby Green7:17

       He has fought everybody, brother. He's fought everybody from, from every show.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       Yeah.

   13. BGBobby Green7:22

       Crazy Horse, uh, U- Urijah Faber. Uh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Mm-hmm.

   15. BGBobby Green7:26

       He's fought everyone, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Yeah.

   17. BGBobby Green7:28

       Um, and so, I see Felony Fights. I see this tall hat, uh, bald-headed white guy all tatted up. And I remember when he fought the guy on the show, he had him on the ground, he had him mounted and he was pounding him, and he just, he gave up. He's like, "Bro, the guy's done."

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Right.

   19. BGBobby Green7:42

       He showed compassion. That's why I didn't forget that guy. He just had a different character than all the other guys who were doing this like, "I'ma smash. I'ma be-"

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Yeah.

   21. BGBobby Green7:49

       "... a tough guy for YouTube," you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       I saw this one felony fight with this dude, KO'd this guy, and then just kept dropping knees on his head and they didn't stop the fight.

   23. BGBobby Green7:59

       Sh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       He was out cold.

   25. BGBobby Green8:00

       ... target.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       And he was out cold, laying on his back and this dude was just up, hips up in the air and boom, dropping knees on his head. Boom. Oh, it was awful.

   27. BGBobby Green8:13

       And so I remember Shad from that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Hmm.

   29. BGBobby Green8:14

       And I should know, I'll bump into Shad somewhere and I'm like, "Cool, you're the Felony Fights guy," you know? So we're training together. He w- um, a wrestler. He hears I'm this little wrestler in the, in the, in the town so he's like, "Can you help me out with my wrestling? And I'll kind of show you a little bit about jujitsu and, and fighting." I'm like, "Cool."

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       And what year is this around?
4. 8:44 – 10:40

   Mexico fights: three opponents in one night and becoming a crowd favorite

   1. BGBobby Green8:44

      I remember when I first started MMA it was because of my son. I had a, uh, uh, I met a chick and within a month she got pregnant.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:49

      Hmm.

   3. BGBobby Green8:49

      So I'm working, uh, a warehouse job six days a week. On my seventh day I go all the way out to Mexico. I fight in Mexico and make $800. I come back. I keep the little money, put it in a, in a savings account or put it in a little account for him and it's just this money I'm having for this kid. I'm scared. I don't know. It's my first child.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:06

      Hmm.

   5. BGBobby Green9:06

      I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do and I'm scared so I just put all his money away to help save for him.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:11

      Hmm.

   7. BGBobby Green9:12

      So I'm working with Shad.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      So that was your introduction, that's, that was your introduction-

   9. BGBobby Green9:15

      And other shit.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       ... to fighting? Did you have any striking back then?

   11. BGBobby Green9:17

       No striking at all. Just a wrestler. I had no idea what jujitsu was. I'm going around fighting guys in Mexico who 150 Muay Thai fights, you know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       Oh, my God.

   13. BGBobby Green9:28

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       And these are the days where fighting was mostly illegal in California.

   15. BGBobby Green9:32

       I fought three guys in one night that night.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       (laughs)

   17. BGBobby Green9:35

       Three fights. One, the, the standup guy had 150 fights, Muay Thai. Then I fought, uh, a purple belt from Renzo Gracie school. And then I fought a black belt from ... I don't remember what school he was from. I think it was-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       And this is in Mexico?

   19. BGBobby Green9:49

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       Tijuana?

   21. BGBobby Green9:50

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       Yeah, I knew a lot of guys from, uh, Legends Gym back in the day were going down to Tijuana for fights.

   23. BGBobby Green9:56

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       'Cause it-

   25. BGBobby Green9:56

       Uh-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       ... was not that far to go. You could get-

   27. BGBobby Green9:58

       Branas is from, supposed to be from there. Henry Baranes?

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       Mm-hmm.

   29. BGBobby Green10:00

       Supposed to be from there. I beat him too.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Yeah.
5. 10:40 – 13:28

   The Shad Smith gym story: boundaries, chaos, and leaving MMA (temporarily)

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      Shad. Yeah.

   2. BGBobby Green10:41

      Shad Smith's this tough guy. He's the Tapout guy. We don't know who... Tapout at the time was the biggest thing for MMA. They're the, they, they pushed the beacon, you know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:50

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BGBobby Green10:50

      They really pushed that mark to get us out there, out there, you know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      Right.

   6. BGBobby Green10:53

      Going to EC shows and selling shirts and blah, blah, blah. And so I meet Shad. We're working out. We're going great. Everything's going great. I'm like in the gym, I'm starting to become this fighter. So one day after practice, Shad doesn't tell me that Shad is gay. I have no problem with that. What you do is your own thing as long as you don't come at me with it. One day we're training, and after training gets over I take my shirt off like, like, uh, I think we ended a round. I took my shirt off like, "Are we gonna go the next round?" And he's like, "Hey, put your shirt on, bro. Put your shirt on. I can't concentrate." And I was like, my wheels are turning a little bit. I'm like, like, "What is he saying? What does he mean?" You know? And then it finally hit me, "Oh, fuck."

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:33

      (laughs)

   8. BGBobby Green11:33

      He's talking about this with his like, "Oh, bro, I didn't tell you. Oh yeah, I'm gay, you know?" And I'm like, "Oh, brother, no problem. Long as you don't call me on that that way, you know? It's cool." So that's, we let it go. Bygones be bygones. We're gonna work together. It's cool. I used to be riding in the back seat smoking weed with him and his boyfriend. They're fighting each other.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:50

      (laughs)

   10. BGBobby Green11:50

       Fist fighting and some more, you know? They're crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Fist fighting in the back seat?

   12. BGBobby Green11:53

       So first, and you have to understand, this is when gay stuff is just, just really coming around the corner, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       (laughs)

   14. BGBobby Green11:59

       And so it's still new.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:00

       I think gay stuff's been around a long time.

   16. BGBobby Green12:02

       But it's, it's getting its, it's getting its momentum.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       It's, yeah. (laughs)

   18. BGBobby Green12:05

       You know? It's getting moment- (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       It's becoming more mainstream accepted, right?

   20. BGBobby Green12:09

       Yeah, it's getting the momentum.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Yeah. It's crazy that that is in our lifetime. I think that's because of the internet.

   22. BGBobby Green12:15

       And so I'm at this gym. I don't know anybody. I'm working with this really crazy guy. He's fucking nuts. He fights with his boyfriend all the time but he's a really cool guy, he's really giving. But, the only problem was with Shad is Shad...... would like to fuck the guys at the gym.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:31

       Oh, no.

   24. BGBobby Green12:31

       So we're sitting outside one day-

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       (laughs)

   26. BGBobby Green12:33

       ... we just finished training. We're smoking a blunt-

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       (laughs)

   28. BGBobby Green12:35

       ... we're all chilling, we're all, like, tired, you know. And, uh, one of the guys are like, "Hey, come here. You know, Chat wants you. Chat wants you." I fucked this one up, by the way.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       You fucked up the blunt?

   30. BGBobby Green12:44

       I tore it a little bit.
6. 13:28 – 17:08

   Wrestling meets WWE: building an entertainer’s mindset for fighting

   1. BGBobby Green13:28

      I can't work with this, you know. So I left. I had no idea where to train anymore. I gave up on MMA. I actually fought one amateur fight against a kid, and so I'm like, "Cool. I'm done with MMA." Couple buddies of mine hit us up. We start talking and we go to this wrestling tournament. At this wrestling tournament, I do all the wildest things like, uh, I take WWE and I mix it with actual wrestling so people can be entertained, you know.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:52

      Right.

   3. BGBobby Green13:52

      Because wrestling can be kinda boring if you don't know its-

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:56

      Right.

   5. BGBobby Green13:56

      ... its whole nature and what's going on. The average fan, they're like, w- "What's going on?" You're like, "What?" They're just hugging each other, you know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:02

      Right.

   7. BGBobby Green14:03

      So I would do things like the hurricanrana, you know. You know what that is? Like you jump on a guy and you spin under him and roll him.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:09

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   9. BGBobby Green14:09

      So, yeah, I would... A guy would shoot on me, I stop his shot and then while he's down there, I jump over his head, literally in mid-air, hook him, and roll over him. So I'm doing all these crazy superplexes-

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:19

       Really? You did pro wrestling moves in a real fight?

   11. BGBobby Green14:22

       Yes. Fuck yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:23

       What did the dude do? (laughs)

   13. BGBobby Green14:24

       Um, this is a, uh, a wrestling match.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       Oh.

   15. BGBobby Green14:26

       This is a freestyle match-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:28

       Right.

   17. BGBobby Green14:28

       ... where older people can come by. We graduated from high school. Excuse me. We graduated from high school and now we can do... Like, my buddy's like, "Let's go hang out and we'll go wrestle together." You know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       Right. But it's a real wrestling match.

   19. BGBobby Green14:37

       A real wrestling match.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       So-

   21. BGBobby Green14:38

       Rare.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       And you're doing pro wrestling shit in a real match.

   23. BGBobby Green14:41

       Yes. I'm trying to find-

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       It's funny how jiu-jitsu guys call that a, they'll call a match a fight.

   25. BGBobby Green14:47

       Yeah, that's a match.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:47

       It really isn't. It's a match.

   27. BGBobby Green14:48

       That's a match.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       Yeah.

   29. BGBobby Green14:49

       Not a fight.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       Yeah, you're not hitting each other. It's not a fight.
7. 17:08 – 18:41

   ‘New kids don’t know’: gangster gyms, short-notice fights, and the grind economy

   1. BGBobby Green17:08

      I'm not done, you motherfucker. So yeah, so I'm doing these tournaments now. Some Mexican guys find me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:15

      Mexican guys find you?

   3. BGBobby Green17:16

      Yeah, my two- two Mexican coaches. And they go, "Hey, you should fight." Back when I was with, uh, the first coach, I had that amateur fight.

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:24

      Right.

   5. BGBobby Green17:25

      There's a guy named Aaron Miller, Blood Spill Miller. He's fighting for a title. I go, "I beat that kid in my amateur fight. Maybe I should do fighting." So from that moment when I met those two Mexican guys, I didn't know, didn't know them too well. Turns out they're like a... They're a different type of, uh, of, uh, gym. This gym is like full of gangsters.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:47

      Oh, really?

   7. BGBobby Green17:47

      They all... They train, but they're gangsters. They smoke weed. We going to Mexico, we're fighting. I was literally in the gym two weeks. Literally two weeks at the max and I had my first fight.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:57

      Wow. That's crazy. How much-

   9. BGBobby Green18:00

      This guy, this coach, he's the, he's known for like, he'll just throw anybody in there. He's gonna make money. "I'll get 200 bucks off of you. But watch this. I got you a fight, I got you a fight, and you a fight." I made 500... I made 200 from each f- five guys, I made a 1000 bucks to pay my rent.

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:15

       Right.

   11. BGBobby Green18:15

       So that's his thinking. You know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       So he was just throwing people to the wolves.

   13. BGBobby Green18:18

       I don't care if you win.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       Yeah.

   15. BGBobby Green18:19

       I don't care if you lose. I'm gonna get paid, you know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       Right. Well, that's a lot of the early day promoters, right? That's what a lot of people were dealing with in the early days.

   17. BGBobby Green18:27

       That's what we're getting to, the early days. These new kids don't know-

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       Yeah.

   19. BGBobby Green18:28

       ... what it was like to get there. I had to explain this, like, to my younger guys. "I took every opportunity I got to get here."I took every opportunity. I fought on 24 hours notice, I fought on, like, just, I fought three times in one night, I fought... I've done everything, Joe. Everything.

8. 18:41 – 28:18

   Weight cuts, post-fight rebounds, and why cutting feels broken

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:41

      Well how many, how many days notice was the Islam fight? The Makhachev fight?

   2. BGBobby Green18:47

      10.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:49

      10 days?

   4. BGBobby Green18:50

      10 days.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      Yeah. How heavy were you before you took that fight?

   6. BGBobby Green18:53

      Fuck, Joe. It was a mess, brother. It was a mess.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:56

      'Cause I know, like, the cut has to be planned out, you know, if you're gonna do it correctly.

   8. BGBobby Green19:02

      And I love all you can eat sushi.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:04

      (laughs)

   10. BGBobby Green19:04

       I need to go all you can eat sushi. I'm a fat guy. Like, I'm gonna be fat after my shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       Yeah?

   12. BGBobby Green19:08

       When I seen Khabib I was like, "Holy fuck."

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:11

       He's not fat.

   14. BGBobby Green19:11

       "What happened to you?"

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       He's just big. He's just not lean any more.

   16. BGBobby Green19:15

       Yeah. But to us-

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:16

       He's 200 pounds.

   18. BGBobby Green19:17

       ... in, in our world, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       Yeah, he's-

   20. BGBobby Green19:18

       In our world we can, like, we clown each other every day. If I come to the gym after, they call me Bobby Ke- uh, Bobby "Burger King" Green.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       (laughs)

   22. BGBobby Green19:27

       'Cause I was fucking, face is all fucking bloated and shit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       (yawns) A lot of fighters do that, right? At the end of their career they get really fat. Really common.

   24. BGBobby Green19:37

       Look at Maidana.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       Yeah. Yeah.

   26. BGBobby Green19:39

       See what I mean? That guy-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:39

       Oh, yeah, that's a good example, right? He's losing weight though. Apparently he's trying to make a comeback.

   28. BGBobby Green19:43

       But I'm like, that motherfucker... Like, I've been, uh, I've been 155, I left high school at 160. For last 20 years I've been the same weight.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       Mm-hmm.

   30. BGBobby Green19:53

       I deserve to be fat.
9. 28:18 – 32:32

   Marketing and matchmaking: ‘story writers,’ O’Malley critique, and boxing comparisons

   1. BGBobby Green28:18

      ... you know? And so that gives you a little bit more, uh, notoriety. But I don't like the whole idea with boxing, like, the whole idea of... Like, I tried to explain it to you. Even the sh- the... I told you earlier about, uh, Sugar Sean.

   2. JRJoe Rogan28:29

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BGBobby Green28:30

      Me and Sugar Sean got a little back and forth going on. And I'm trying to explain it to these younger fighters, 'cause I'm the old guy right now. I've been through it and I've seen all this. This... The UFC are the story writers. The same thing with boxing, they're story writers. They're writing the stories and, and it's a certain way. You know, better know how to play your role. If you don't know your role, you'll get eliminated, you'll get X'd out not knowing how to play the role. Right now, you're in a great hot seat, brother. You're in a great seat. Play it cool, shut the fuck up, and play your role. But they don't know that they, that it's this machine, that... It's a story. And they're going, "Oh, you're gonna go here, you're gonna fight him, you're gonna do this, and you're gonna..." They're gonna wrap it right... Just beautiful. There's other guys that don't get that road, okay? Like Dos Anjos, who's fighting everybody.

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:09

      Right.

   5. BGBobby Green29:09

      He's fighting every killer you can possibly come through. There's another killer, he's fighting him next. And so there's different roads and different stories.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:16

      Yeah.

   7. BGBobby Green29:16

      And I'm like, "Sean, understand. Stop talking shit. Stop..." Like, he did the whole basketball drill on a guy who just got in the UFC. He just... He didn't... This is his first fight. And, and I felt like... Don't get me wrong, you gotta, you gotta have the antics, you gotta bring the fight, but at the same time, um, know, know where you... All right. Know what's going on. Like, don't do that to that kid. This is his first experience. You just shit on a guy who didn't even... This is his first, it's his first get down.

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:42

      Right.

   9. BGBobby Green29:43

      He's not... And you've been fighting, you've been in here, you're talking shit, you're the man, and you're gonna do that kid like that? You had... And he also had 15 other offers, 15 other offers. Sean gets to pick his fights, and so he's picking between these guys, and then all he goes and picks this guy who's not even in the division. You know what I'm saying? So it makes it look like... He looks really good. Everybody's like, "Oh, he's, he's, he's, he's talented, he's blah, blah, blah." I'm like, listen, they're writing that story really well. Same thing with boxing. They never fight, uh, nob- they never fight nobody. While we haven't had... While we didn't get Floyd Mayweather and Pacquiao at the same- at the right time, we didn't get Errol Spence and Crawford. These guys are all the best, the UFC does it. And they're gonna write... At least they're gonna write it at the right time. They let Conor build it, they wrote his story correctly, and then they wrote this one, and it comes right, you know? At least they make it happen at some point in time. With boxing, that doesn't happen. They're just like, "Well, he's our star and we don't wanna lose it," 'cause in boxing, you lose, you're done. You don't have the same... I was like, like, I was a big, uh, Broner fan. I liked his antics, I liked everything to him, but once he lost, everybody's like, "He's done."And UFC, we don't have that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Why do you think that is? (clears throat) Like, why does the UFC more ... Is it ... W- why is it okay-

   11. BGBobby Green30:57

       To lose?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Yeah. In, in MMA. Sorry. (clears throat) Damn. That Bobby Green weed got me.

   13. BGBobby Green31:03

       Ugh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       But why is it okay, uh, to lose in MMA? Like, why do you think the MMA community ... L- like, some of the greatest stars have lost a bunch of times.

   15. BGBobby Green31:13

       But, but it- it-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       There's only a few-

   17. BGBobby Green31:14

       But it's not even okay to lose.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       ... like a Jon Jones, Khabib.

   19. BGBobby Green31:17

       In our, in our industry, you know what I hear, the word I hear all the time? Journeyman.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Hm.

   21. BGBobby Green31:22

       Like, like Colby Cov- Covington has gotta say that he's a fucking journeyman, you know? That when they dis a guy it's 'cause he got his losses, you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Ugh.

   23. BGBobby Green31:28

       If you've been in this trench long enough, you will get loss. You're gonna get a lot of losses if you've been in these trenches long enough, because there's so many ways to play this-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       Yeah.

   25. BGBobby Green31:35

       ... this, this chessbo- this chessboard.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Well, if Colby Covin- Jesus Christ. Damn, this cotton mouth. If Colby Covington, uh, wasn't in the Usman era, he'd probably be champion. I mean, the dude is a beast.

   27. BGBobby Green31:51

       I agree.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       I mean, he's a fucking beast.

   29. BGBobby Green31:53

       I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       His cardio is off the charts. I mean, it's crazy. And his-
10. 32:32 – 37:49

    Respect, beef, and consequences: Colby/Jorge dynamics and Bobby’s Cowboy grudge

    1. BGBobby Green32:32

       Colby doesn't deliver it the same way. It's offensive. It's hard to swallow.

    2. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       Yeah, he's playing psychological warfare too, you know?

    3. BGBobby Green32:41

       And, and the, and the, and the hard part about it is, like, for us, the real hardcore fans, and I'm w- I mean, not fans, the real ... I would like to call them the, the real Gs, the Nates, the Khabibs, the Jorges, we look at you like, "Hey, you gotta back that shit up. If you gonna be that type of guy, go back that shit up. Go stand on it." You can't be the guy that you're talking the shit but then when they approach you, you ain't ready with that time. You ain't on that time. Like, if I'm gonna be that type of aggression with somebody, then I know what time it is when, when I'm saying what I'm saying and I see that person, I know what time it is. You know? When I see Sean, like, I don't like s- and the reason I don't like Sean is because of Tekashi 6ix9ine. I don't like 6ix9ine. It's like he went and got him tatted. I'm like, "Oh, yeah? You just jumped in the pool with him, and I don't like you either," and you gotta be able to stand on what you do, 'cause when those people come and see you, now we're attacking you, Sean. You don't even know why, 'cause you went and buddied up with somebody else that we didn't ... that you clicked up with him, now you get in that same group. Now you gotta stand on it. Y'all wanna be badasses? Well, stand on that shit. Don't be calling the police. You can't, you can't do none of that. You wanna be a badass, this is what badass shit is. And, like, and don't get me wrong, I feel like Jorge s- knuck 'em. Jorge snuck 'em. Ran up-

    4. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       Right.

    5. BGBobby Green33:52

       ... hey, you know? But at the same time, you know what come with this shit. You wanna live this life? Stand on that shit.

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       As a professional, though, don't you think it's a good idea to not get into fistfights in the street?

    7. BGBobby Green34:08

       I agree. I agree.

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:09

       As a professional.

    9. BGBobby Green34:10

       I agree.

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:10

        Like, I know, I know exactly what you're saying.

    11. BGBobby Green34:11

        But that's not ... But no, but I understand as a professional, but-

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:14

        I know exactly what you're saying.

    13. BGBobby Green34:14

        ... I, I, I understand entertainment, but ... Hold on a second. If you're gonna be professional, keep it professional. If you wanna go low-

    14. JRJoe Rogan34:21

        Right.

    15. BGBobby Green34:21

        ... then it's going low, and it's, and it's up. It's up. It's up on site. Like, it's what it is. If you wanna go that way, like, with my kids and-

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:29

        Right.

    17. BGBobby Green34:29

        ... and my wife, and, and bringing all this other information up that really didn't... Talk shit about me all day, brother. Let's, let's go. We can shoot shits, we can talk jokes, but now my family and my kids? I don't think Jorge shoulda did that, though. I don't, I don't agree with it at all. You know? Like, you had 25 minutes, brother.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:45

        Right.

    19. BGBobby Green34:45

        You had 25 minutes to do anything you needed to do. It was that time.

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:49

        Yeah.

    21. BGBobby Green34:49

        And now you gotta go get him out? You had your time, you know?

    22. JRJoe Rogan34:52

        Mm-hmm.

    23. BGBobby Green34:52

        And I would let it be like that. I don't agree, but at the same time, I don't agree with, with Colby either. You wanna play that role? Stand on it. It's w- come with it. You know? Chael had to deal with it, same thing come with it. Go ahead and walk that role. That's why a lot of people don't play that role. That's why people just play the, the martial arts role. They show up to be-

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:08

        Yeah.

    25. BGBobby Green35:08

        ... cool, but they don't wanna get booed, they don't wanna get chased, attacked. That's what come with that shit.

    26. JRJoe Rogan35:16

        Yeah, you're not a guy who got in any unnecessary beefs with people.

    27. BGBobby Green35:21

        Um-

    28. JRJoe Rogan35:21

        You seem like an easy guy to get along with, generally.

    29. BGBobby Green35:24

        I'm chill, brother, I'm chill.

    30. JRJoe Rogan35:25

        You are.
11. 37:49 – 43:05

    Trenches of the old scene: casinos, King of the Cage, Pride, and absurd scheduling

    1. BGBobby Green37:49

       I'm cool with... I'm cool with where we can just apologize and be bygones. What your energy is what my energy is. If you bring aggression, I'll match it. If you bring peace, I'll match it. Whatever you wanna bring, brother. So, um, back to the old days. A lot of these kids don't know. (clears throat) They don't know, Joe. They don't know what it was like for us. Like, I hear sh- Joe... I hear Chael's stories. I listen to all of my OGs and, like, Chael's so mad sometimes when we get, like, about pay. He's like, "You know what? I can't, I can't... I signed up to fight. If you wanna be a fighter, this is what it takes, fuck the price. You signed the contract, this is what you get. Don't complain about it 'cause you signed the contract," you know. And I get what he says. I listen to the old guys and I go, "Okay, I can understand they..." They were fighting for 500 bucks, you know. And we're gonna complain, but look what they went through, you know. They went through the same things that we're, we're going through these growing periods, you know.

    2. JRJoe Rogan38:41

       A lot of the older guys went to the Indian casino period.

    3. BGBobby Green38:44

       I was there. That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. I was there.

    4. JRJoe Rogan38:48

       Yeah.

    5. BGBobby Green38:48

       Uh, I fought at all the casinos.

    6. JRJoe Rogan38:50

       Those were the King of the Cage days.

    7. BGBobby Green38:53

       King of the Cage. I was the King of the Cage champ.

    8. JRJoe Rogan38:54

       I mean, that was a-

    9. BGBobby Green38:55

       I had two belts from him.

    10. JRJoe Rogan38:57

        That was a big deal. Like, that, there was an organization that was able to put on shows while there was a ban on MMA, 'cause they were able to do it in these Native American casinos.

    11. BGBobby Green39:06

        All the stars came from... There's so many-

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:09

        Yeah.

    13. BGBobby Green39:09

        ... stars came from King of the Cage.

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:09

        Urijah Faber, uh, um-

    15. BGBobby Green39:10

        Rampage.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:11

        Yep, Rampage.

    17. BGBobby Green39:12

        Joe Stevenson.

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:13

        Mm-hmm.

    19. BGBobby Green39:13

        There's so many guys you can name.

    20. JRJoe Rogan39:14

        Duane Ludwig.

    21. BGBobby Green39:15

        You can name 1,000 guys, brother that came from King of the Cage. They was like-

    22. JRJoe Rogan39:19

        Yeah.

    23. BGBobby Green39:19

        ... they were like the, the, the, the, uh, tool that the UFC pulled from, you know.

    24. JRJoe Rogan39:24

        Yeah.

    25. BGBobby Green39:24

        One of the organizations that they pulled from.

    26. JRJoe Rogan39:26

        And, and probably Pride too, right?

    27. BGBobby Green39:28

        Pride.

    28. JRJoe Rogan39:28

        Like, a lot of guys went over to Pride.

    29. BGBobby Green39:30

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan39:30

        That was the days when Pride and the UFC were, like, kinda neck and neck for a while. If you looked at the fights that Pride had, like with Fedor versus Nogueira, Fedor versus Cro Cop, I mean, they were some of the greatest MMA fights of all time. And it was happening at the same era as the UFC, when the UFC was becoming popular. It was... those were interesting times, man.
12. 43:05 – 1:10:03

    Weed, suspensions, and the Affliction short-notice fight chaos (plus tapping logic)

    1. BGBobby Green43:05

       Just making it work. So, now I'm getting ready to fight Dan La- uh, Dan LaZan's little brother. No, Joe LaZan's little brother, Dan LaZan.I get the call on 24 hours' notice. I'm at a warehouse. They literally say, "Hey, we need you to leave work. You have 30 minutes to get here and make... and be on weight." I'm like, "30 minutes?" I go up to the camera on the... at the warehouse. I go, "Fuck you."

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       (laughs)

    3. BGBobby Green43:27

       "I'm outta here. I quit." You know? And this is the point where I made the decision, "I'm gonna be a fighter from here on out." They're like, "We'll give you $3,000 a show, $3,000 a win," or something like that. Or no, I think it was six grand. This is the biggest paycheck I had at the time. So I'm like, "Six grand? I'm working this warehouse job for these pennies? I'm outta here." I go get on the treadmill, cut all the weight down, and I'm fighting Dan Lauzon the next day. So, this is the issue with me. The issue with me is I smoke weed, and especially at this time, weed is really bad. Where in fighting, like, Nate got, uh, Nick got suspended five years.

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:02

       Mm-hmm.

    5. BGBobby Green44:03

       Took a lo- a lot of his career away. I was one of them sacrificial lambs too, where I got suspended a year, six months, a year and a half. I, I kept getting caught up because they're giving me short notice fights and weed doesn't get out your system for 30 days. So you're gonna piss dirty. Just, this is what it is. So I got the offer on the fight on 24 hours' notice. I'm fucking dirty. I'm nervous as shit. It's affliction. The big affliction show-

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:27

       Hmm.

    7. BGBobby Green44:27

       ... is my biggest show, and I'm going, "What am I gonna do? I'm so scared." My coach at the time, he's like, "Well, let's go get high." I'm like, "What?" He's like, "Yeah." So we go in the car, we smoked this weed, and it's the most dynamic weed I ever had at the time. I'm high out of my fucking mind.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:43

       (inhales deeply)

    9. BGBobby Green44:43

       Right before the fight, I'm fighting Joe Lauzon. Um, I have one of the craziest entrances ever. I literally s-... I started all this, like, show shit. I used to bring the show before the fight. I break out the crowd. I'm running up the crowd. I run up the stairs. I get 'em all up, "Let's go." They don't even know who I am. I took the fight on 24 hours' notice. I'm not on the, uh, uh, name on the card or none of the posters or any promotion. I'm getting 'em riled up. I've taken off... I run down these stairs and I run up the next stairs on the other side of the stadium. Go like, "Get up." We're at the Anaheim Pond. "Get up. Let's go." Slapping hands and stuff.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:19

        (laughs)

    11. BGBobby Green45:20

        I'm running back down and the camera crew stops me. They go, "Hey, hey. Stop, stop, stop. We're not recording."

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:25

        Oh, no.

    13. BGBobby Green45:26

        I'm like, "What?" All out of breath. (breathes heavily) "What? Like, that was awes-... What? What do you mean?" They take me back behind the curtains and they want me to do it again.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:35

        No.

    15. BGBobby Green45:36

        Yeah. I'm like, "You can't do it again. It's not the fucking same."

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:39

        No. Oh, no.

    17. BGBobby Green45:40

        "It's not the same. It's not gonna be like it's supposed to..." So, I just come out, do the whatever. So now I'm fighting Dan. Me and Dan are fighting, and Dan doesn't know me. And I could tell Dan's got this, this fear about me. You know, I'm sorry to say it. I don't wanna talk about race like that, but there are some gentlemen, white guys, that they don't understand us Black guys exactly, you know? And, and I've been in all cultures. Like, my dad's white so I've been in every culture. I know what every, uh, what white guys think, I know what Mexican guys think, and I know what Black guys think, you know? 'Cause I've been in their cultures. Um, so I could see it on his face, you know? He's like, "Like, fuck, I gotta fight this nigga." So I'm bringing all the, the nigga shit to him. They ask me what my style is, I tell them hood. (exhales) They're like, "Well, what is that?" You know? So I th-... I wanted to throw him off personal... uh, purposely. I don't want you to know I'm a boxer 'cause if I'm a boxer, then you're gonna take me down and do jujitsu. If I say, "I do jujitsu," you're gonna stand up with me. So, I'm just gonna say, "Hood." It's street, street fighting. They don't know what it is. Let them think... Let them figure it out. We fight Dan. We're fighting, I'm beating him up, and then I give him a low blow. He takes a full five minutes. Full five minutes. Okay, cool. But I'm high as shit that we took three... It was three low blows. One of them, I'll give him one. The other two, fake as fuck 'cause Dan doesn't wanna fight. So, Tito's the announcer. Tito's like, "This guy is fucking... He's fucking acting like a motherfucker." Like, l- literally, one of them, my toe touches his hip. His... Literally his hip and he falls down. So we took him 15 minutes in the first round. It's been 15 minutes. He takes a whole break. I have no idea where time is. I'm high as shit. I'm talking to Donald Trump before he was president.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        (laughs)

    19. BGBobby Green47:19

        I'm talking to Oscar De La Hoya. I'm like, "What's up, guys?" I'm just high as shit.

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:22

        In the middle of the fight?

    21. BGBobby Green47:23

        In the middle of the fight.

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:26

        (laughs)

    23. BGBobby Green47:26

        Last fucking 10 seconds, um, he catches me in a choke. Catches me in a rear naked. Had I known where time was, I would have fucking pushed it through. But if you don't tap in, in MMA, you don't make money. Uh, you could literally get suspension. If y- if you go out and go to sleep, you get a six-month suspension.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:43

        Really?

    25. BGBobby Green47:44

        Yes. That's the way it goes and people don't understand that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:46

        Oh.

    27. BGBobby Green47:46

        Like, they're always like, "Go to sleep."

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:47

        Hmm.

    29. BGBobby Green47:47

        "Go to... Why you ain't go to sleep? You need to be tough." Like, no, I'm gonna fight tomorrow.

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:52

        Right.

Episode duration: 3:50:13