JRE MMA Show #123 with BJ Penn

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. BPBJ Penn0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Ladies and gentlemen, the future governor of Hawaii, BJ Penn.

   4. BPBJ Penn0:19

      (laughs) what's going on, Joe?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      What's happening, brother? Good to see you.

   6. BPBJ Penn0:22

      Good to see you, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      You're dedicated to this man.

   8. BPBJ Penn0:25

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      I need a shirt.

   10. BPBJ Penn0:26

       You got it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I need one.

   12. BPBJ Penn0:27

       We got 'em here.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       I need a "Penn for governor."

   14. BPBJ Penn0:29

       Thank you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       If I wear it in Hawaii, will I get mugged? Will they attack me and duct-

   16. BPBJ Penn0:33

       They'll-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       ... tape me and throw me in the back of a police van? (laughs)

   18. BPBJ Penn0:34

       They'll cheer you on and then you gotta tell them, "Are you guys registered?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       (laughs)

   20. BPBJ Penn0:38

       You make sure ... (laughs) They'll love ya.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       How is it going? What is it... First of all, what made you deci- ... It was the COVID lockdowns, right, that made you decide?

   22. BPBJ Penn0:45

       You know what? That's the ... You know, people ask me, they go, "Would you be running for office if this pandemic didn't happen?" And I tell them all the same thing, I say, "This is the straw that broke the camel's back." I've always noticed the problems here with the economy, how anti-busines they are, how, uh, we've all ... Since I was in high school, we've always been in last place, our education, you know? So, uh, yeah, and-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       When you say anti-busines, like, how are they anti-busines? What are they doing?

   24. BPBJ Penn1:11

       As far as, uh, with the regulations, it takes so long, you know. Go ... You go to the planning department and they hold you up for another eight months, and it's just ... You know, the taxes are so high. We got the highest, uh, high, the highest state income tax and-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       What is the state income tax in Hawaii?

   26. BPBJ Penn1:27

       Um, what is ... (sighs) I don't think ... I don't got the exact number right now-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Well, we'll get Jamie, Jamie to pull it up.

   28. BPBJ Penn1:32

       ... but, but we talk about that, yeah, we talk about that often.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Well, uh, I think California is like 13 something, 13+%. There's even talk there about raising it up. You know, it's, um, (clicks tongue) it's, it's a shame that you feel that everything is that bad, that you r- ... Like, you feel called to do it, but I know you, and I know you wouldn't do this unless you really felt like there was a need for change. You're not a guy that, like, wants to be running the government.

   30. BPBJ Penn2:03

       Y-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That was one of…

   1. BPBJ Penn15:00

      it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      That was one of the things that seemed to weigh heavy-

   3. BPBJ Penn15:04

      (coughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      ... on Aldo when he was meeting up with Conor. Like, particularly for the first fight.

   5. BPBJ Penn15:09

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Uh, for, for ... uh, the, the first fight that, uh, Conor fought for the title, when he knocked him out quick. It seemed like Aldo was emotionally invested-

   7. BPBJ Penn15:19

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      ... in, in that fight because Conor had talked so much shit for so long. They'd promoted that thing for months and months.

   9. BPBJ Penn15:26

      Right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       And Conor was just disrespectful and-

   11. BPBJ Penn15:28

       Grabbed his belt.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Nobody was ever like that with Aldo. Everybody always was-

   13. BPBJ Penn15:32

       Right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       ... respectful of him. He was dangerous.

   15. BPBJ Penn15:35

       Yup.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       I mean, Aldo in his ... in his prime-

   17. BPBJ Penn15:37

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       ... again, in his prime, he was a bad motherfucker.

   19. BPBJ Penn15:40

       Yup.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       That Chad Mendes knockout in Brazil.

   21. BPBJ Penn15:43

       Yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       I mean, think o- some of the-

   23. BPBJ Penn15:45

       (clears throat)

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       ... Aldo's amazing ... the Ur- Urijah Faber fight.

   25. BPBJ Penn15:47

       Amazing. Yup.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Dude. Aldo in his prime was a fucking wizard.

   27. BPBJ Penn15:51

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Right?

   29. BPBJ Penn15:53

       Yup. And I ... i- it's amazing that he has the hunger he has today, still fighting.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       I n- ... well, he looks really good right now at 135. He looks really good.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. BPBJ Penn30:00

      You know, I did businesses. And I just had the hardest time walking away-... from that attention, you know? From the attention of the toughest man in the world attention.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Right.

   3. BPBJ Penn30:13

      You know? It's not from the TV. It's not, it's not... Hey, I wanna be the toughest. A- a- and when you are champion, (clears throat) and Matt Hughes told me about this, he said, "You can't wait to get rid of that belt, because you gotta t-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      (laughs)

   5. BPBJ Penn30:26

      "You can't wait."

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      Yeah.

   7. BPBJ Penn30:27

      But as soon, as soon as it's gone, you're like, "Hey, where, where is it? What? Wait a minute, I'm the toughest guy in the world again. Where is it?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:34

      Hmm.

   9. BPBJ Penn30:34

      And you're looking, you know? And, and I, I, everybody's had to deal with it. I mean, Anderson, me.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. BPBJ Penn30:41

       You know? Matt, and it's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Anderson is another guy that I say, you gotta judge him by his prime.

   13. BPBJ Penn30:48

       Yeah. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       You gotta judge him by those few years-

   15. BPBJ Penn30:50

       By his ten, was it-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       ... when he was a, when he was a m- a wizard.

   17. BPBJ Penn30:52

       How many defenses was it?

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       He was a magician.

   19. BPBJ Penn30:54

       Right? How many defenses?

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       And it was the way he was doing it. Like, the Vitor one with the front kick to the face?

   21. BPBJ Penn30:59

       Right. And the, and the Forrest one?

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       (laughs) Yup.

   23. BPBJ Penn31:01

       I'm in the back-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Oh my God.

   25. BPBJ Penn31:04

       ... with all my adrenaline going, uh, we're trying to get ready, uh, to go fight Florian, and here comes... He walks out, and in one minute he starts wa- I felt like a minute, uh, Anderson starts walking back. He just knocked out Forrest Griffin and he goes, "BJ, it's your turn. Let's go." (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       (laughs)

   27. BPBJ Penn31:19

       I'm just like shaking my head. This guy's crazy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       You remember when he knocked out James Irvin when he stepped up in weight?

   29. BPBJ Penn31:25

       Right? Yup.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Yeah, so Forrest Griffin-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. BPBJ Penn45:00

      two blocks around, around, around the neighborhood, we'd come back, and he'd be right back in his routine.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Yeah.

   3. BPBJ Penn45:05

      If you don't ... Endorphins is God's antidepressant medicine.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      Uh. (laughs)

   5. BPBJ Penn45:09

      It, it heals you. That, that's, you know? Working the body heals the mind. Uh, I'll always believe that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      I, I am firmly with you. I, I, I think it can't be emphasized enough how valuable it is. I, when I take just a few days off, like if I hurt something, and I say, "Well, I'll just take a couple days off, let everything recover," I always g- start getting sketchy. Like, I don't feel as good. And then I'll have-

   7. BPBJ Penn45:32

      Yeah. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      ... one hard workout day, and then I'm like, "Oh, I'm back."

   9. BPBJ Penn45:35

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       I can be normal again.

   11. BPBJ Penn45:36

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       You know, I, I think a lot of people-

   13. BPBJ Penn45:38

       I gotta work out.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       ... never know what normal feels like.

   15. BPBJ Penn45:40

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       They never feel that. They never get to that point where their body is in shape and relaxed and healthy, and you just had a good workout.

   17. BPBJ Penn45:47

       And happy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       That feeling is nice.

   19. BPBJ Penn45:49

       You're just all-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       It's a nice feeling.

   21. BPBJ Penn45:50

       You're, you're, you're ha-

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Yeah, happy.

   23. BPBJ Penn45:51

       Your face is like that-

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Yeah.

   25. BPBJ Penn45:53

       ... after you work out. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       It's, and y- you're, and the fun thing about training is, you're getting happy doing something that is a fun thing to do. So you try, you, you get really good at it, you work hard at it because it's also fun.

   27. BPBJ Penn46:05

       Always.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       It's not just hard work. Like, jujitsu is fun.

   29. BPBJ Penn46:08

       And you get to think and have fun-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:51

   They ... (laughs) Yeah.…

   1. BPBJ Penn1:00:00

      they, that they didn't compete fair.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      They ... (laughs) Yeah.

   3. BPBJ Penn1:00:02

      Yeah. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      I know.

   5. BPBJ Penn1:00:03

      You know? It just it is what it is.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Well, in your era, to be fair, you were one of the only guys that was adamant about that.

   7. BPBJ Penn1:00:09

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      A lot of people just shut the fuck up.

   9. BPBJ Penn1:00:11

      And, and, and still till today I, I, I say, I say, "Hey, wherever you wanna ... I'm the only guy, 155 and 170, that got s- that got both belts, but if you wanna add this into the rankings, I really didn't, I really didn't do that stuff." You know what I mean?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       Yeah.

   11. BPBJ Penn1:00:24

       So, uh, I always say that til-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       No, you really didn't.

   13. BPBJ Penn1:00:26

       -t- yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       No, you really didn't.

   15. BPBJ Penn1:00:27

       You know, and then and then, um, I remember, 'cause I didn't even, uh, USADA just came and, uh, and I w- then we were gonna take an, uh, a glutathione IV. We, I, I never take IVs anyway, you know, but I just to- I was like, "Oh, okay, okay, I'll take it." And then I told USADA, "Yeah, I took an IV," and then they busted me for it 'cause I think they just wanted to show that they had teeth or whatever. But I'm really one of the only guys who didn't, you know what I mean?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       So just using any kind of an IV?

   17. BPBJ Penn1:00:53

       Yeah, uh, and it, 'cause it-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       Why did you want glutathione?

   19. BPBJ Penn1:00:55

       Yeah, no, th- uh, we were just at a-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       Were you partying?

   21. BPBJ Penn1:00:58

       -at a place. No, no, we were, we were at a, um, they were doing f-... what's that, where they take all your blood and they see what you're allergic to for the-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Uh-huh.

   23. BPBJ Penn1:01:06

       ... food? That's why we were there. And the guys just kept talking to me to it, and I'm just like, "Okay, whatever. Go ahead." They kept talking me to it. Shouldn't even have... Of course, you're not gonna feel-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       So they just talks you into a glutathione drip, or what?

   25. BPBJ Penn1:01:16

       (laughs) Yeah. You know how when you're in some place, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Yeah.

   27. BPBJ Penn1:01:18

       And they just, they just-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       Glutathione, I think it's an antioxidant.

   29. BPBJ Penn1:01:21

       Ah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       But one of the things that I know it for is, uh, alcohol. It helps your body, uh, process alcohol better.

Episode duration: 3:08:30