JRE MMA Show #124 with Khalil Rountree

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) So just tell me that again. So you were, you were do- what were you doing in Finland in the first place?

   3. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:16

      Uh, I was there, I was there with an ex, training. But aside from that, I was just there visiting. (laughs) I was just visiting Finland. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      And so you decided to do a sauna in the motherland, 'cause that's, like, the home of saunas, isn't it?

   5. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:30

      Yes, it's the home of it. So, um, yeah, the people that were hosting us, they were like, "Hey, have you guys ever done sauna and, and ice lake?" Like, yeah, but never, like, in the ice lake after, and so-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:41

      So what, they have, like, a shack that's the sauna that's next to the...

   7. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:45

      It's a shack. Yeah, it almost looks like a locker room, right? Like, and you just see bunch of people, like, all age groups. Um, there's a locker room where you get undressed, and then there's this huge box. Like I said, it fits, like, easily 50 to a hun- like, I mean, 50 to 100 people. And everyone's in there just packed. There was actually a line to get in, so when somebody steps out, you step in and kind of replace them.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:06

      Oh, wow.

   9. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:07

      It's like bleacher seating. So you're in there, like, packed tight in maybe three or four rows, and it's hot as shit, (laughs) and...

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       How hot?

   11. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:17

       I don't remember the exact temperature, but it was the hottest sauna that I've ever been in.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Really?

   13. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:20

       Like, my skin was on fire.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Whoa.

   15. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:23

       After maybe a minute, two minutes of being in there, I was like, "This is almost unbearable."

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       That's probably the moisture. They probably threw a lot of water on that.

   17. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:29

       A lot of water, and then right after-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       That, that makes a fucking difference.

   19. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:32

       Right after, you just walk downstairs, or you walk outside, and there's a, a set of stairs where you walk literally right into the ice lake at night. We did it, it was, like, 9:00 or 10:00 PM.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       (exhales deeply)

   21. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:42

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       And so they just cut a hole in the lake?

   23. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:44

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       (laughs)

   25. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:45

       And you just walk. There's, like, a metal, like, uh, walkway that you can't see, so it looks like you're just walking into the water when, uh, at night, but there's, like, a little walkway, like a railway underwater, and you can hold onto the rail, and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       Oh, wow.

   27. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:56

       ... you know, and do your lap. And, um, yeah, I think I did it, like, maybe four times, like, four sessions, and it was the best, like, one of the best things at the end of the night. I slept like a baby.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Oh, you definitely do that. When I do it at night, when I do the cold plunge and the sauna, like, back to back at night, oh my God, you sleep so good. It just, it drains you. I do li- I love to do it before a podcast 'cause it empties my brain.

   29. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.2:18

       Mm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       You know, 'cause the s- the sauna, I put it at 189 degrees, and today I did, uh, 15 minutes on, and then I did three minutes in the ice bath, and then I had a run here. And that's, so that's all I did today. But most days I do 20, and then I do the ice bath, and then I'll do another 15.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yes. …

   1. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:00

      now listen to on repeat or listen to in a way that, you know, translates to me in a certain way and to millions more."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Yes.

   3. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:08

      I don't know. I don't-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Yeah.

   5. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:09

      ... see a problem with it. I think it's cool.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah, it's not like they're pretending they didn't do that. You know what I mean? Like, stealing is like ... There's, there's been bands that have gotten in trouble because they have a riff that sounds exactly like an old riff that's on a record-

   7. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:22

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      ... and they don't give the other band credit. It's not a sample, they're just trying to copy it, and then they wind up losing all the royalties.

   9. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:28

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Like, do you remember that song Bittersweet Symphony?

   11. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:31

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Yeah, that song, I believe they had to give all their money to the Rolling Stones.

   13. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:36

       Oh, no way.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Yeah. See if that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. Because, uh, I remember that song being, like, really interesting, but I ... But the, the beginning of it was too close to a Rolling Stones song, and they lost in court.

   15. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:50

       Like, the, like, orchestra sound?

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       Mm-hmm.

   17. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:52

       Like that, that melody?

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yeah, yeah. The l- ... You know, but the lyrics obviously were totally different.

   19. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:57

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       And a different vibe to the song. I forget which song it was of Stones, but, but they took them to court. And, but the thing about music is, like, I can't read music, but can you read music?

   21. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.16:08

       No, not read, just listen. Like, I can play by ear.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:11

       Hmm.

   23. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.16:11

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       When, when you read it, like, if you write the music out, they can see, like, "Oh, this is the same fucking song."

   25. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.16:18

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Like, you could see, like ... Uh, and then if you list- ... If someone listens to it that really has an ear for it, they can tell you, "Well, this is clearly the, you know, the same breaks, the same ... This, it's basically the same music."

   27. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.16:29

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       It's just they added different lyrics to it, and they made ... You know, but they weren't trying to pretend they were sampling. They're just copying it.

   29. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.16:37

       (laughs) Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       You know?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. Yeah. …

   1. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:00

      really, like, really smart people. Even like, uh, Yeonmi Park, who you had here.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   3. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:06

      And hearing her and how, um, she spoke about how, like, Bitcoin is actually helping save, uh, some children from, like ... Like, so in North Korea, this is what she said. In North Korea, when women are, are, are taken as sex slaves and shipped over to Northern China where these guys are buying them ... Because China has this, um, this one child rule in, in certain areas, right? So if the woman, if the, if the sex slave has a child then that child is half North Korean and half Chinese, and the Chinese won't accept them and they can't go back to North Korea because the women kind of, like, escaped, right? So because of that there's actually what she said are pretty much millions of stateless children who can't get birth certificates, who can't get schooling, who can't get anything, and they are either, like, sent to prison camps as children or killed because they're ... The, what are they gonna do with them? China doesn't accept them and they can't go back to North Korea, so what happens, right? So there's, like, underground church groups that are actually taking these kids in. And because they can't use Chinese money and they, you know, because it's happening in China, because they can't use Chinese money the only currency that they can use right now is Bitcoin. And so people are able to fund them to, so that they can at least school these kids and feed them and things like that. So from like a, from like a currency and, like, money standpoint there's like a small fraction where I'm like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:43

      Mm-hmm.

   5. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.31:43

      "Okay, I see how this works." But then trying to uncover and, like, dive more into the whole system of how this can be implemented into just, like, daily society, I'm seeing more and more possibility and it's making me more and more secure on, "Hey man, I can actually finally have something that I own that's mine. Like, whatever I earn is going to be mine and you can't touch it." (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:11

      Mm. Right.

   7. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.32:11

      No one can touch it. Every, from ... And there's a guy, uh, Adam Curry who, in fact he-

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:16

      He's a good buddy of mine.

   9. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.32:17

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       Yeah.

   11. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.32:17

       You know, like, uh, uh, uh, podcast index. Like, his ... Now they've created this thing where y- um, if you want to have your own platform and not worry about being taken down or censored or whatever-

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       Mm-hmm.

   13. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.32:31

       And you can also get paid in Satoshi, which are fractions of a Bitcoin, from the supporters. So you can stream your stats, you don't have to buy Bitcoin. You can create a platform where, "Hey, I'm speaking." If I wanted to start one and I'm like, "You know what? I don't have the money to actually buy Bitcoin but I do have a lot of stuff that I wanna talk about. Subscribe to my podcast and then my fans and my followers are streaming to me Satoshi just like they would on Instagram likes."

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:58

       Right.

   15. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.32:59

       You get what I'm saying? So likes and replays and all that stuff is also a currency that people don't really look at it that way but, like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       Yeah.

   17. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.33:06

       ... a lot of these, a lot of these, like, companies that wanna do business with me it's like, "Oh, how many followers do you have? What's your Twitter engagement? What's your Instagram engagement? Oh, this video only got 70,000 plays." That's a form of currency-

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:18

       Yes.

   19. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.33:18

       ... because that's, like, looked at as, you know, my value and my worth on whether or not you're gonna work with me or not.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       Well, that's why shadow banning is so sneaky.

   21. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.33:26

       Yeah man. (laughs) It's like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:27

       Shadow banning is so insidious 'cause you're, you're limiting a person's ability to grow.

   23. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.33:31

       Exactly.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:32

       And they do that all the time with people.

   25. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.33:33

       Exactly.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       I think of Bitcoin the same way I think about the early internet. I think they, they didn't see it coming and now it's a viable form of currency, you can actually buy things with it, and I think the government is freaking out. I think what they're gonna try to do is they tried to, they tried to do some shit with the internet during the Obama administration where they were gonna try to censor the internet and it fell apart because people were furious in the uproar and they thought the political repercussions of it were not worth it. Like, the, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze so they backed off of it. But I feel that there's gonna come a time where some government, whether it's the United States or another government might try it first, they're gonna try to implement - I know they already do it in China - but they're tryna, gonna try to implement a digital currency, a centralized digital currency that they can control.

   27. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.34:19

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:20

       What's scary about that is they could say, "Khalil, you know, we, we, we've looked at, you know, your behavior online and, uh, you have some, some marks against you."

   29. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.34:30

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:31

       "And so you're not gonna be able to buy this."
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Got you. We'll look…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      guy's big toe is down.

   2. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:01

      Got you. We'll look at that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      But, uh, it's a weird ... Uh, look, why can't you do it? I mean, this is the thing. And, and to D- Ducauqis's credit, when, when you, um, when you stopped him with that, he was like, "Look, that's a legal kick. That's-"

   4. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      "... that's legit as fuck."

   6. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:15

      Which, like, respect on, on his behalf. And like, I, I definitely, like, even now to this day, like, it's, it's, it's hard to watch. I understand. Like, you know-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      Oh, yeah.

   8. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:24

      ... even for me, it's like, it's hard.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      I mean, BuakawKis is in insane pain.

   10. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:26

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       I mean, like, it's ... And the knee twists. See if you can find that. We'll watch that again.

   12. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:30

       Oh, come on, dude. I just said-

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       No? Okay, let's not watch it.

   14. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:31

       ... it's hard to watch and you're like, "Let's pull it up."

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Okay, let's not watch it. Let's not watch it.

   16. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:34

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       People at home-

   18. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:35

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       ... if you, if you wanna see-

   20. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:36

       Um-

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       ... something sick.

   22. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:37

       No, but I think that's, that's kind of one of the things. And that's also when I kind of put the target on my back as well, right? But-

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       You think by doing that you put a target on your back?

   24. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:45

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Really?

   26. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:46

       For sure, because I think that when, when people now go to fight me, it's kind of like, okay, we're gonna, like, we're gonna fight however. It's not necessarily gonna be this, like ... what everybody considers just, like, good, clean fight, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       I mean-

   28. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.46:00

       Although it's legal.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       ... everybody's been doing that. Yoel Romero did it to Robert Whittaker.

   30. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.46:02

       It happened to me.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:04

   Than the first, yeah.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      It's, it's fun when these divisions get to this boiling point of, like, talent-rich divisions where someone's gotta break through and rise to the top. And you're seeing everybody get better. Like, clear difference between Aljamain the second fight with Yan than the first fight.

   2. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:14

      Than the first, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      Clear difference, you know?

   4. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:17

      Clear.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      And, you know, he said something that was probably accurate. He said the first fight he didn't eat. He was all freaked out and just fired up and just, just thinking ... Couldn't wait to get in there and he didn't fuel his body and he started fatiguing in the fight, you know? And then he got hit with that illegal knee.

   6. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:31

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      But in this fight, he made the proper adjustments and-Damn, his back taking is off the charts.

   8. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:38

      Absolutely.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

      His back control and ability to take the back is crazy.

   10. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:42

       Yeah. And once you're there, if you got somebody who has, you know, good back control, it's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Mm-hmm. Not fun.

   12. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:49

       ... it's not fun, man. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       Yeah.

   14. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:50

       It's frustrating, you know what I mean?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Yeah.

   16. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:52

       It's tiring. You gotta... yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Did you see the Shakur Stevenson fight?

   18. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:55

       I didn't.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       Holy shit, man.

   20. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:58

       Nope.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Holy shit.

   22. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:59

       Good?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       He's... Fuck, he's good. He's on another level right now, man. He's on another level. I mean, he is so smooth. And his movement, his ability to like... punches were coming at him and he just lets him get right there.

   24. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:14

       Oh, yeah? Like s- the...

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Just right to there-

   26. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:16

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       ... they touch him and then bap, fires back.

   28. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:19

       Ah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       His accuracy, his technique, his efficiency.

   30. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:24

       Yeah, I gotta watch it.

Episode duration: 2:46:50