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(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…
- KUKamaru Usman
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)
- KUKamaru Usman
Just gotta, uh, you know, make sure that USADA whereby is up to date. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that what you just did?
- KUKamaru Usman
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I can't believe they woke you up at 5:30 in the fucking morning.
- KUKamaru Usman
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's ridiculous.
- KUKamaru Usman
They don't care.
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's not even not caring. That's like negligent. It's like if you're, if you have an athlete, and the athlete has to rest and recover, and you're waking them up at 5:30 in the morning, you break their sleep cycle. You're affecting their training. You could cause an injury. You could ... A lot of shit could be wrong.
- KUKamaru Usman
(sighs) But, uh, I think for them, it's, um ... It, it's, oh, well, we're, we're tr- ... I, I don't, well, I don't know 'cause I'm not them. But, you know, I think some people, fighters feel like, "Oh, it's, they're, oh, we're gonna catch them."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
"It's 5:30 in the morning. We're gonna catch them before they do anything," which is-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Ali was saying-
- KUKamaru Usman
... pretty stupid.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that it's EPO, that it's like short-lasting. So if people take it and they take it at night-
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it'll be out of their system by the time USADA shows up. If they show up at 9:00 AM then, you know ...
- KUKamaru Usman
I wouldn't fucking know. Maybe he was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
(laughs) Like Ali, how do you know that information? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
How does he, though? Well, well you know, if you're a manager, you, you're dealing with at least one cheater.
- KUKamaru Usman
(sighs) Um, yeah. I'm sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you have 50 clients, there's a guy in there that's doing something funky.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What percentage of fighters do you think are doing something?
- KUKamaru Usman
(clicks tongue) Do I think nowadays? I mean, it's, it's tough. It's tough. I, 'cause I never really, I never focused on that. I never worried about it. But I, I did know that, you know, yeah, some fighters you could just, you could see back in the day like, "Hey, (laughs) this is not normal."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- KUKamaru Usman
"Last year I saw you, you didn't look like that."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 15:00 – 30:00
And that bothered you…
- KUKamaru Usman
was like he sat me down good and he beat my ass. To this day, well, until Leon Edwards, that was the only time I've ever been sat down.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that bothered you more?
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah, it bothered me more because I didn't have an answer for it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- KUKamaru Usman
These are the, the moments that, that's really haunted me, that, that have really messed with me, was when there was nothing I can do about it. Um, there's, there's that. The first one was Rashad. Rashad beat me up one time to where I had to rethink what I was doing. So I think I was about a year in my career and this was around similar times and Rashad was like really traveling a lot. Rah- Rashad was a man. Rashad was traveling, doing shows, commentating, you know, maybe do a movie here and there and I was living with Rashad. So at this time, yeah, like he was stretch. He was gone for like three weeks and I'm training every day twice a day and I'm like, "This dude's not fucking... He hasn't really been training, hasn't been going in the gym." I know if he comes to wrestling, I can out-wrestle him, but I'm like, I'm striking now. I'm starting to hit people. Like, no, he comes in, I'm, I'ma put it on him.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
You know? (laughs) So I built this whole experience in my head. I'm like, "I'm, I'ma put it on Rashad. Let him know little bro is, hey, little bro's learning some shit." And, and he hadn't trained three w- three weeks, four weeks. And so he comes in town, he comes back and we go to the gym. And usually, and, and he would hate that I'm saying this, but I had the hardest time waking Rashad up in the morning. He would not leave his room. His room was on the other side of the house. He would not leave his room. We had practice at 10:30. We have a 30-minute drive. He would not come out of his room until after 10:00 AM. And so I would always, I'd go bang on his door, "Hey, you, you up?" You know, try to get him out before 10:00. And he just would not do it. And so I would drive us to the gym. You know, I'm little bro. I'm, I gotta take care of the house when he's not there and, you know, so I drive us to the gym and, and the whole time in my head, I had this experience. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm gonna fuck him up today."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
You know? He's been gone for three, (laughs) three weeks. I'm about to show him all the new ninja shit that I've learned. (laughs) I'ma put it on him. And I know he hasn't been training. And so we get to the gym and it just happens to be sparring day. So I'm smiling. I'm, I'm like, "Yeah, this is gonna be the day. I'ma show him. Little bro learned some shit." And I'm on the other side of the room and I, first couple of, uh, rounds, I, I, you know, I kinda go with guys that would go at my pace. You know? And so I think it was like maybe the third round and Rashad, he comes in, he takes his sweet ass time. This is when he was at 205. He takes his time and he gets ready and all this. And, and then he's going and I'm, I'm, the whole time I'm eyeballing him.... on the- on the other side of the gym, I'm eyeballing him. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm gonna go with him today." So, now it's the third round, I'm like, "Yeah, uh, Rashad, let's go, let's- let's go." He's like, "A'ight," and this was MMA gloves. And this was... Back then, in the Blackzilians, we- we didn't really start using the seven-ounce poofy gloves. We would use the UFC MMA gloves. And so Rashad had his gloves on, and we start moving, and we're going, we're going. And I'm just like, um, like, "A'ight, let me try some shit I know now." So I throw- I throw s- like, s- a one-two or something like that, and I just kinda t- hit his hands. And, you know, he's moving with me, moving with me. And I'm like, "Let me ramp it up on him. I know he's not in shape. Let me ramp up on him." So I'm picking up the pace, I'm picking up the pace. And now I couldn't hit him. And then he s- starts hitting me. But he was hitting me a- a little bit, like, with a little bit more conviction than I anticipated, than I thought. I was like, "Why is he..." And he's hitting me, and I couldn't stop it, and he s- now he starts fucking me up.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
And he's beating on me. And I'm like, "No. Okay, let me go to my wrestling. I know I can always get him there." And I shoot for takedowns. He stuffed them all, like, two or three of them, he stuffs them. Then he hits me ag- starts hitting me again, and he has me against the wall, and he's just beating on my body, and then he shoots for a takedown. He takes me down. And I'm just like, "Fuck." There was nothing I could do. I just... I didn't have the knowledge to really defend myself. There- and he mounts me, and that was one of the worst things at that point. 205 Rashad on top of you is- is- is bad, because, and you know, you could see it in his fights when he was at 205. Like, when he mounts guys, he'll crucify, guys. That's, like, his thing. And he crucified me. He was just... He beat my ass so bad. He dr- usually, I drive us to practice and I drive us home. He knew he beat my ass that bad. He drove. He's like, "Yeah, let me drive, let me drive home." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
So... (laughs) So he drove. I'm sitting in the passenger seat, and I'm just looking out the window. I couldn't make eye contact with him. I'm looking out the window the whole time like, "Holy shit, he just..." And then we get home, and usually when we're home, like, I'll, like, make lunch or we'll, like, get lunch. This day, we didn't get lunch. Or I- I usually sit on the couch and, like, maybe watch old fights or watch something like that on the- in the living room. But no, I was in my room the whole time. I was like, "No, I'm not coming out."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
And- and he would just randomly come in the- open the door, "Hey, you a'ight? You good?" (laughs) I'm like, "Yeah, I'm good, man. I'm good. I'm good." He's like, "A'ight, you want something to eat?" Like, "No, I'm okay. I'm okay." I felt like he purposely knew he beat the shit out of me and that now he just had to check on me all through the day to make sure that I was okay. But it messed with me because I couldn't do anything about it. I couldn't defend myself. I didn't have the knowledge to.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
And that was what was so hard about my first professional loss, as well, is when I got submitted, I didn't have the knowledge, 'cause I wasn't doing jujitsu like that. I didn't know what I- and how to defend myself at that point. So, those were what was hard. This one, not so much, because I knew exactly, you know, where I went wrong. And it wasn't like I... Like, Rashad beat my ass.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
There was nothing I could do. This one, that wasn't the case. So, you know, this is a little easier to deal with.
- JRJoe Rogan
You were saying that it's a- almost a little bit of a relief.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah. Yeah, it- it was... It's weird. It's weird to really explain. But it's... You get to a certain point to where people start putting expectations on you. They start, like, "Oh, yeah, you're gonna do this. You're gonna do that. Yeah, you're- you're this, you're that," to where I didn't get into it for all of that. I was never... I was never attached to the title. Now, as weird as that sound, I didn't. I was- I was never attached to it. It wasn't like, "Oh, I'm champion, I gotta hold onto this, I gotta hold onto this, I gotta hold onto this." No, and I've said it before and I continue to say it: in my head, each and every time I was fighting for that title or defending that belt, I was fighting for the title. I was a contender in my head. I felt like that. "I have to go contend for this belt each and every time." So, because I feel like when you're defending, you- you're tight. Now you're on defense. You're not thinking offense, you just wanna... Anything to hold onto this, anything to hold onto this. I was never really like that. So, when everyone got- felt like, kinda started putting expectations, like, "Yo, oh, you're about to break this record," I didn't know. I didn't even know what Anderson Silva's record was until, like, before last fight, where everyone started saying, "Oh, yeah, you're about to break the- the Anderson Silva's record," or, "You're about to tie this," and, "Yo, you already broke Georges St-Pierre's record." I don't care, I don't give a shit. The last time I cared about the number was when I was 5-1 and I was about to get into the UFC. I was like, "Yeah, I'm 5-1. Damn, Rashad went on, like, a 15-fight win streak one time. Damn, I wish I could do something that great." And... But I just... Rashad even told me at that point, he's like, "You just take it fight at a time. As long as you worry about that next fight, and that next fight, and that next fight, they'll- they'll add up." And so, yeah, it was almost like a relief of expectations, of everyone's pressure, of, "Oh, yeah, you're the GOAT this, you're the GOAT that." That's relative. That's-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's-
- KUKamaru Usman
That's a relative... Like, it's hard to argue that situation, because Georges St-Pierre was the greatest in his era. With what he had to deal with, the opposition he had to deal with, he was the greatest, hands down. And, you know, when Georges St-Pierre kind of moved aside, Woodley was- was that guy. And- and then Robbie had a stint there where Robbie was that guy. So... And Pat Miletich had a stint when he was that guy. So was- did Matt Hughes. And so to say, "Oh, yeah, that guy's the GOAT," that- that's relative, because styles make fights, you know, and you can never really tell what would transpire if this guy goes with that guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Styles make fights, and it's also guys are building on the work that was done before them.
- KUKamaru Usman
Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause if you look at the fighters from 1993, that's the best example, 'cause it's one of the rare sports...... where we get to see a stark contrast between the early days of the UFC and the current days. If you go back and watch basketball in 1993, it's pretty similar to basketball today. There might be better athletes today, people are better at everything today-
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but it's still basketball. The UFC's almost unrecognizable.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You watch the way people fought back then versus the way people fight now. I mean, there's no comparison. You gotta go to, like, UFC 12, you see, see Vitor's debut, and you go-
- 30:00 – 45:00
Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
and you're killing it and you're going on this unbeaten streak and you're dominating everyone, you dominate Tyron Woodley to, to win the title. You knock out Masvidal with one punch. Holy shit. This... It's wild.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they just want you to fall apart because they can't compare to you.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah, and it's... You know, I- I- I recognize that, you know, and even after the last time we, we spoke and... I don't... I'm not on social media like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good.
- KUKamaru Usman
Like, I'll post something here and there. Some days I'll go a few days and not even look at it. Some days I'll, uh, you know, post. And that's, I guess, a good and a bad thing with the a- the new algorithm that kind of Instagram has is you don't just see everybody's shit, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- KUKamaru Usman
Now it's like, maybe like your friends that constantly you talk to, you see their stuff. And so... You know, I'll get on... My daughter's doing something cute or I feel like it's something cool that I wanna share, I- I- I'll get on... I'll post that and then I'll, you know, get off, but... I feel like... And it's even making people more upset because they expected me to feel a certain way that I'm not feeling.
- JRJoe Rogan
How do you know what they expected?
- KUKamaru Usman
Because I s- People make fake pages with my fa- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
It was hilarious to me. It was... This is the funniest shit to me, it was, it was a few... It was maybe a couple hundreds would make a f- create, go out of their way to create a whole page with... 'Cause when I was knocked out, I was like... My eyes were open, which was the craziest thing to me. You know? Now that I wa- I've watched the fight over maybe like 10 times and my eyes were open, which is weird. And so people would like s- screen grab that and make a fake page with that as the, the avatar and have a page dedicated to that. Like, "You got knocked out. You got this. You got..." For them to take time out of their day, I'm like, "Shit, I'm special." Like, I'm- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I... It's... But mostly people that don't have a good life.
- KUKamaru Usman
It's, it's weird to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
If they did have a good life-
- KUKamaru Usman
It's just weird to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Th- th-... I don't, I don't have the time to do that shit.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't have the time to do that shit.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where are they gonna go-
- KUKamaru Usman
I don't have time to even scroll through ins-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
Rather than m-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
Go out of your way to make a page and, and just bec- But they think that that bothers me, but it d- It's funny to me. It's... It was funny. You know, the few-
- JRJoe Rogan
It made you laugh? Looking at the video.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah, it made me laugh and I, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see the photo of me interviewing you in the middle of the head kick?
- KUKamaru Usman
That was... I almost posted that yesterday. (laughs)
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Well, you did, minus…
- KUKamaru Usman
it's not that I didn't represent, I did, I didn't get the result for the amount of work that I put in. The amount of work that my coaches put in with me. My coaches-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you did, minus one minute.
- KUKamaru Usman
Exactly, but for me it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's really what it is.
- KUKamaru Usman
For me, is I'm not one of those, "Oh, you kinda execute." No, I wanna execute all the way through.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- KUKamaru Usman
And so, yeah, I'm, I'm secure in knowing what I'm capable of. I know what I'm capable of doing to Leon Edwards or to anybody else in the, in the world. I know that. And so, it's, it's funny to me now. Everyone's kind of writing it off like, "Okay," they're d- talking about, "Yeah, this is a big fight. Leon and this guy, Leon and that guy." And I'm sitting like, "I'm the best in the world. Are you serious?" You know? (laughs) So that, that, I would say, maybe, might be a little irritation from my part, but it's not ... It's, it's ... I didn't feel like ... I didn't get the victory, so I ... In my head, I'm like, "Damn, you, you didn't execute all the way through." But I know what I'm capable of. I've always known what I'm capable of. I knew that before I fought Tyron Woodley.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think that this fight can actually elevate you to another level?
- KUKamaru Usman
1000%. 1000%. Everyth- every, like, everything is a lesson for me. Everything. Every experience. Every failed relationship, failed business. All of that is a lesson for me. And I'm s- ... I, uh, a lot, like, I- I got a lot of flag. Like, I- I saw that, um ... Okay, the one moment, I have to be honest, that did hit my heart a little bit was when I was in the hospital with, uh, Ali. We were in the hospital together when I was getting scanned. I was already back. I was, I was watching the video clip of it, and he showed me that 'cause I wanted to see how it happened, and I was like, "Damn, he got me. That was a good shot." You know, I was en- envious of it. Like, I'm like, "Damn, that w- ... He set me up good. That shit was beautiful." You know, it's like, and the form was just nice, you know? Kudos to Leon. And ... But then they ... The camera pans into the audience and they showed my daughter. My daughter cried.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- KUKamaru Usman
And, and she cried. And that, that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Aww.
- KUKamaru Usman
It was like a, it wa- it was the weirdest thing. It was like a instant trigger response, like boom.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- KUKamaru Usman
My heart (laughs) like, I wanted to cry just seeing that for her because as a f- as a parent, as a father, that's one of the worst things, is we couldn't ... And I learned that when my daughter was a, uh, infant, is when they're sick or something's bothering them, you just feel it. It just hits your heart. And then when my daughter was crying, that when it, it, it got to me. I was like, "Oh, shit." I don't, I don't, I don't ... I didn't like seeing that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
And then, you know, Conor, I think Conor had tweeted something and was, it was kinda blasting me about it, like, you know, for bringing her to the fight and this and that. And, and ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- KUKamaru Usman
And, yeah. Like, he tweeted some, some, some mean things or certain things like that. And it was just like ... I'm ... I'll lower people sometimes. But for me, it was like, "Fuck no." Like, they don't, they don't understand it. They don't underst- ... They- they're just in a low level of thinking to where they don't understand, like ...Absolutely, I'm gonna bring her. My daughter's not only gonna see when daddy's victorious and daddy just continues to beat everybody, and, and daddy gets to, you know, put her in, in the best school or whatever she wants to be. No. You know, because I'm in a weird place, like, I'm trying to teach her. She has work ethic, but it's kind of like, "Ugh, I don't wanna do that today," or, "I don't wanna go to gymnastics," or, "I don't wanna do that this week." And, and she's kind of like, doesn't wanna do it. "Oh, I don't like it anymore. I, I wanna quit." You know, and I'm trying to teach her the best way that I can without forcing her to do something, of, of what it takes to h- to work hard. And my daughter has been going to the gym with me ever since she was six months old, so she understands that and she's okay with it. That's why she can watch my fights. But I'm not only gonna bring her because daddy's victorious. I am blessed right now with an opportunity to show my daughter that, look, you can fall down and look how you can get back up. And so, uh, it was f- to see people, like, and someone like Conor, who actually does have children, to, to say something like that, it was like, man, you're missing the mark big time, bro. You're missing it big time, because I am blessed with the... I like how... I am blessed. How often do you get an opportunity like that to where you can give them an example of how it is to rebound at the highest level?
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think about your daughter in the audience while you're fighting at all?
- KUKamaru Usman
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it, when you get to the cage, do you think about the fact that she's there, or are you just completely focused?
- KUKamaru Usman
No, I try to limit my... This is, like, fight week, I got, had to get comfortable with bringing her around fight week, because, and I le- I learned this. The first fight she ever went to was the Tyler Woodley fight. And my daughter, we have this bond to where my daughter wants to be sweet, she's gonna be sweet. She's gonna be on me, she's gonna rub my face and grab me, just be very affectionate. And, and I just felt this overwhelming sense of, no, I, 'cause I had, in the coming weeks, I had built myself into this, this ironclad guy, to this m- mental f- state that I wanna be in to go to war. And with my daughter, she flips the switch on all that. She turns it off.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- KUKamaru Usman
And (laughs) and, um, I had, I, I learned that at that fight, like, okay, I gotta limit my, my moments with her, because she softens me up.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- KUKamaru Usman
And so when I, when I see her now, it's like moments, I try to really fight that and stay in that place and not spend too much time with her, 'cause she's gonna get affectionate. And I don't wanna make her feel weird for being affectionate, but at the same time, I understand what I am feeling and the mental state that I'm in. So no, by the time I walk into the cage, I'm already that person. When they come and get you from that back room and they say, "All right, it's your time," so I pace back and forth in the backstage before I do the walk, and I'm already, I'm starting to slowly climb into the Nigerian Nightmare when I, when I step inside that cage. So when I'm there, I don't even know, I don't feel, I don't see, I don't hear, I don't care that they're there. I have a task, I have a job to do, and that's what I need to do.
- JRJoe Rogan
So the fight is over. Time has passed. What do you do now as far as prepare to fight again, and do you go straight to a Leon Edwards rematch?
- KUKamaru Usman
I ... that's a good question. I've never been in this (laughs) situation. So for me, it's, it was always like, all right, well, you know, I get home and I'm home for like two, three days and I start getting bored. And 'cause it's only so much, like I drive her to school, I get her ready in the morning, take her to school. Then I come back home, it's like 8:30 and I'm just like sitting there 'cause I can't go back to sleep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 1:00:00 – 1:12:54
So, in an ideal…
- KUKamaru Usman
even talk. I'll just eat. The food's there ready and I'll just eat. And I know in her head, she, she wants to have a conversation or she's wondering, "Why isn't he, you know, talking?" I don't ... I just wanna eat. You know. I, in my, I'm, I'm living in my head and I'm going through this experience. And maybe that day Trevor put me through a, a, a workout that was just super tough that I...I was fluctuating with dealing, dealing with it mentally while I was doing it. So, I'm reflecting on that the whole time. So, I might sit there and just stare off into space while I'm eating. And, and I know she probably wonders, like, "Why isn't he talking? Why isn't he..." But that's it. I sacrificed all of those things for what I am doing right now. And so, yeah. I have to represent that. Each and every time I step in there, I wanna represent that to the fullest. You know? I don't spend as much time with my, my mom and dad. You know? My dad's out now and, you know, I'm sure he's having a blast, you know, now, seeing where we all are in life. But I would love to spend more time with them. But I sacrificed all of that to go and try to be great at this.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, in an ideal timeline, when would you like to have a rematch?
- KUKamaru Usman
Um, I think what makes more sense is to go to, to go to London or go to England somewhere.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
I think that makes sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
That makes sense.
- KUKamaru Usman
And I, I love the idea. I love it. And so, I think, I think they already booked all the way up until January, so I think any time February, March.
- JRJoe Rogan
So-
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah. That's, that's rock.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that's a good amount of time, too. That's a good amount of time to recover.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah. It's perfect.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- KUKamaru Usman
It almost like it, it just lines up perfectly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Lines up.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah. So, I'm gonna take the time. I'm gonna make sure that I, I listen to all the experts and take the appropriate time to, uh, let it heal. If they say, "Oh, yeah. You're healed now," which I already feel fine, then hey, let's rock and roll.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. That will be bananas.
- KUKamaru Usman
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That fight will be bananas. That will be one of the biggest fights in the history of the sport for sure. I mean, it's gonna be epic because it was such a shocking result. It was so unexpected. You know, it came outta nowhere in a fight-
- KUKamaru Usman
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you were dominating. And the rematch in England. I mean, Leon's a hero over there now. I mean, it would be gi-
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's gonna be gigantic.
- KUKamaru Usman
Yeah. I, I think the, the s-
- JRJoe Rogan
I might have to go over there for that one.
- KUKamaru Usman
Joe, you gotta come.
- JRJoe Rogan
I might have to go.
- KUKamaru Usman
You gotta, (laughs) you gotta come.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'ma have to take that trip.
- KUKamaru Usman
This is ... I mean, it's, it's ... It just lines up per- ... Like, I've, I've, I've ... That's the thing is I'm so grateful for some of the things that I am experiencing in, in life. To ... I was grateful to, to be able to fight Tyron Woodley for the belt and win. And, and I'm grateful to be able to defend. A- and I always wanted to headline a pay-per-view in Vegas. I did that with Colby Covington. It's like, wow. That was great to me. It's like, I'm all these amazing thing. And then it's like, "MSG. Wow. That would be cool." And then I get the call. It's like, "Oh, shit. I'm gonna do that too." Was grateful for that. Then head now to be a part of potentially headlining a stadium show in England.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. They're talking about Wembley, right?
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