JRE MMA Show #133 with Sean O'Malley

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Sean O'Malley 0:12 Dude, I, I would, yeah, I feel like I'd get more nervous for that than a fight, for sure.

Joe Rogan 0:15 I don't know why, though. It doesn't make sense.

Sean O'Malley 0:18 Well, for a fight, I know I'm prepared. I know I have-

Joe Rogan 0:20 Are you good?

Sean O'Malley 0:21 ... I know I have eight to 10 weeks to prepare for that moment. I guess you could prepare for comedy if you know you're making people laugh and you know you have a good, a good bit. That might make it easier. But to go up there and f- like, freestyle it, it would be hard.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Yeah, you don't wanna-

Sean O'Malley 0:34 That'd be impossible, pretty much-

Joe Rogan 0:35 No, no. Freestyling.

Sean O'Malley 0:35 ... for a new newbie.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Well, you could. It, it depends on your personality, like there's people who could freestyle it, like I'm sure Joey Diaz could freestyle it-

Sean O'Malley 0:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:42 ... his first time on stage. It's just all in who you are. Like, I can't. I have to have pr- I prepared my shit for months in advance. I even recorded it on a little tape recorder and played it back and listened to it.

Sean O'Malley 0:54 Exhale.

Joe Rogan 0:54 I get that-

Sean O'Malley 0:54 You still do that, like record and then-

Joe Rogan 0:56 No.

Sean O'Malley 0:56 ... listen to it? No.

Joe Rogan 0:56 I, I r- record sets.

Sean O'Malley 0:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:58 But I don't, like, uh, just talk into my tape recorder and, and then, like, uh, listen to that-

Sean O'Malley 1:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03 ... like it's a bit and rehearse it like it's a bit.

Sean O'Malley 1:07 Sniffles ] Yeah, comedy would, I, I can watch it. I just don't know if I could ever do it. I feel like I'm a funny person, like when I'm around my group of friends or like around-

Joe Rogan 1:14 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 1:14 ... like, comfortable people, like I feel like I can make people laugh. But sometimes when I get really high, I feel like I have good bits.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Yeah. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 1:21 Like, just, and I'm like, "How could you v-" And then I'll tell someone after I'm not high, and I'm like, "Yeah, that f- was not it."

Joe Rogan 1:27 But when you're in the moment, maybe you could have figured out how to translate it. The problem is when you're sober, then you're reading, you're like, "What the fuck was I saying?"

Sean O'Malley 1:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:36 I do that all the time.

Sean O'Malley 1:37 It happens.

Joe Rogan 1:37 I have notes on my phone so I, like, if, if I'm out and, you know, I just have a crazy idea, I'll write it down on my phone, and then I'll go look at them the next day to see if I mined any gold.

Sean O'Malley 1:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:46 I'm like, "What do I got? What do I got?" But so many times, it's like, "What the fuck are you saying?"

Sean O'Malley 1:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I like the way you talk about it, though. I think it was, uh, even the, one of the more recent podcasts, you were saying it's just, like, such an infant when you have an idea-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 1:58 ... and then you slowly kinda add to it-

Joe Rogan 2:00 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 2:00 ... add to it, add to it until it's, like, the whole, the whole bit, or the whole-

Joe Rogan 2:03 But you never, but you never know 'cause sometimes they come out, like, full-grown.

Sean O'Malley 2:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Sometimes, they just pop out of your head. You just have an idea.

Sean O'Malley 2:09 Yeah, that's fucking funny.

Joe Rogan 2:10 It's, like, a full-grown idea, but not always. They're all different.

Sean O'Malley 2:14 It's a tough job.

Joe Rogan 2:15 I have a weird th- theory about ideas. It's n- it's not substantiated nor do I expect it to be-

Sean O'Malley 2:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:21 ... taken seriously. But I think ideas might be life forms. I think we're very limited in the way we think about life forms. You know, we think of life forms as something that breeds and something that, you know, grows in the ground or whatever. That's what we think of life forms. But if you think about every fucking thing on Earth, everything, this microphone I'm talking to, the airplane that got you here, the sneakers that are on your feet, every fucking thing came out of an idea. An idea got into a person's mind, and then that person made that idea. And we're like, "People are so creative," and we certainly are. But where the fuck are these ideas coming from? These ideas that manifest themselves in the form of physical things like televisions-

Sean O'Malley 3:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:07 ... and automobiles and cell phones, where the... What is that? It's-

Sean O'Malley 3:12 So you think they could be, just be floating around in different dimensions? Maybe if we were f- on some kind of drugs, we could see c- certain ideas floating around and you can grab that one, put it in your mind?

Joe Rogan 3:21 It might be-

Sean O'Malley 3:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:22 ... that way. It might be that your mind tunes into these things that are out there. And, like, the more you can tune in, the more successful you'll be.

Sean O'Malley 3:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:33 Right? So the more you'll have an incentive to tune in and make more stuff.

Sean O'Malley 3:37 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 3:38 You know? And people are rewarded for being successful and making stuff out of ideas.

Sean O'Malley 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Fucking weird, r- right?

Sean O'Malley 3:46 I, I mean, fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Like, where are they coming from? We're just as... We... The most important thing that human life has ever had is ideas.

Sean O'Malley 3:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:55 'Cause those ideas turned us from these primates living in the jungle, the, like regular animals, to someone who lives in a fucking apartment building on the 32nd floor and has wifi.

Sean O'Malley 4:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:04 That's what turned us into that. Ideas.

Sean O'Malley 4:06 Yeah. It's fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:08 It might be life forms.

Sean O'Malley 4:10 La- yeah. I feel like I have-

Joe Rogan 4:11 (sniffs)

Sean O'Malley 4:11 ... very few brilliant ideas. Good, thank God for the people that do f-

Joe Rogan 4:15 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 4:15 ... figure out th- the important shit.

Joe Rogan 4:17 We need a lotta people to think of important shit.

Sean O'Malley 4:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:19 I always joke about that, about, you remember those folks that got trapped on that island? There's a, there's an island called North Sentinel Island, and it's in the middle of the Indian Ocean. There's only, like, 39 people on it.

Sean O'Malley 4:30 No.

Joe Rogan 4:31 It, it's, uh, where, there, there was a missionary a couple years back. He went to deliver Bibles to them, and they murdered him.

Sean O'Malley 4:36 Oh, God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:36 (laughs) But, but these people, like, we're talking about, like, uncontacted people. And I'm saying, like, they don't have a chance. Like, the, that's, uh, that's them.

Sean O'Malley 4:45 (laughs) Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

Joe Rogan 4:46 There's not enough of them.

Sean O'Malley 4:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:48 There's only 39 of them. And, like, for-

Sean O'Malley 4:50 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:50 ... to get a society like we need, like we have, you need fucking millions of people. And there's only, like, four or five people to figure out everything. And we buy all their shit.

Sean O'Malley 5:00 And those are the guys that are gonna live if another... I was listening to the Graham Hancock one. Those are the guys-

Joe Rogan 5:05 Right.

Sean O'Malley 5:05 ... that are gonna, uh, survive if another, um-

Joe Rogan 5:08 Apocalypse happens.

Sean O'Malley 5:09 Yeah, something crazy happens.

Joe Rogan 5:11 Yeah, yeah. We're not gonna make it.

Sean O'Malley 5:12 No, I definitely-

Joe Rogan 5:13 They're, they're, they're not gonna miss a beat.

Sean O'Malley 5:14 No. No, no, yeah. We don't want them to.

Joe Rogan 5:16 They're out there with bows and arrows, hunting and fishing, and living off the land, and they've been doing that for thousands of years. They're gonna be fine.

Sean O'Malley 5:22 Yeah, I feel like such a bitch when I think of those guys.

Joe Rogan 5:24 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 5:24 Like, just, I'm so helpless. Like, I can whoop someone's ass, but it, like, doesn't really mean much-

Joe Rogan 5:28 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 5:28 ... when it comes down to it. But...

Joe Rogan 5:30 You could do it. You could do exactly what they're doing. If you were thrust into that situation.

Sean O'Malley 5:34 I have to? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:34 100%. Oh, 100%, dude. You'd be like that dude in Avatar who just adapts-

Sean O'Malley 5:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:39 ... and becomes one of the Na'vi. You would just, you would just adapt.

Sean O'Malley 5:43 Yeah, it's like, it's like languages, I guess, too. You just immerse yourself-

Joe Rogan 5:46 Sure.

Sean O'Malley 5:46 ... in another c- country. I was in Mexico recently, and I was like, "Damn, I could..." 'Cause I... My wife's from Oaxaca. She's, her first language is Spanish. And, like, so I've learned... I've been with her for, like, seven years, so I've learned a little bit. So I was trying to speak it there, but I was like, "Damn, I could, I feel like I could learn it if I was here for, like, three months." I fe- I'd just be speaking it.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 6:03 Be s-

Joe Rogan 6:03 There's, um, some method that I was reading about that is, uh, some, like, tried and true method for learning a language that allows you to be functional in a language in 30 days.

Sean O'Malley 6:14 (blows raspberry)

Joe Rogan 6:16 See if you can find out what the fuck that is.

Sean O'Malley 6:18 Damn.

Joe Rogan 6:18 It might've just been a marketing scheme.

Sean O'Malley 6:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 I might've got sucked into it.

Sean O'Malley 6:22 These fucking, like, stars are tripping me out.

Joe Rogan 6:24 Yeah. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 6:24 I can't see them. It's like...

Joe Rogan 6:25 Learn a New Language in 30 Days, yeah, Pimsleur Method.

Narrator 6:28 It is an ad, but that's what

6:29 I'll go with.

Joe Rogan 6:29 It is an ad. Focuses on conversational skills, Start Actually Speaking Today. I heard that Rosetta's good too, right?

Sean O'Malley 6:36 Rosetta Stone?

Joe Rogan 6:36 The Rosetta app?

Narrator 6:37 Oh, yeah.

Sean O'Malley 6:37 (laughs) Yeah, it's crazy. Elena, she's two, my daughter, she's, uh, it's learning English and Spanish at the same time. So she'll say, like, she'll have like... She's starting to say two or three-word sentences-

Joe Rogan 6:47 Hmm.

Sean O'Malley 6:47 ... but they're still being English and Spanish, and it's just a trip to see how their little brains work.

Joe Rogan 6:52 It's supposed to be really good for a child's development to be learning languages simultaneously.

Sean O'Malley 6:57 Yeah. Danny's mom's our full-time nanny, and she only speaks Spanish. So-

Joe Rogan 7:00 Oh.

Sean O'Malley 7:01 And she's with her Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then sometimes on the weekends. Uh, so she's learning like, like, she's like... Spanish could be her primary language at first.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Oh.

Sean O'Malley 7:10 So, yeah, no, it's fucking interesting.

Joe Rogan 7:13 It's one of the more important things, supposedly, to like, uh, keep your mind from atrophying, is like learning language. Like, learning language is like a really difficult thing. So they, they, they, they say that, like, there's a few things that you can do to kind of stave off mental deterioration. One of them is, like, crossword puzzles. Like, doing things where your mind... It just makes sense.

Sean O'Malley 7:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:35 Like, you make your mind work. And what makes your mind work more than learning a language?

Sean O'Malley 7:39 Yeah, seriously. I remember when I was a... I have it, what was it? Duolingo or some shit, one of the apps. I would go every day. Well, maybe not every day, but pretty much every day, I'd go to the coffee shop and before practice, and I would read. I would go there for an hour. I'd go and, like, read for half an hour, and then Duolingo for half an hour for a long time. And I got decent at it. But it's just like, you don't, y- you don't... You lose what you don't use or whatever the fuck-

Joe Rogan 8:00 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 8:01 ... that is. And it, that's so true 'cause I was like, a while back when I first moved to Arizona and first met Danny, I was like, "I'm gonna be able to talk to her in her language," and then did it for a while and was like, "Fuck that."

Joe Rogan 8:11 I got it a lot when I was in, uh, high school. I, I had Spanish, and I got to a point where I can almost have conversations in class.

Sean O'Malley 8:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:19 You know, I could have crude conversations in class. And I remember thinking at the time, "Oh, this is great," 'cause now I'll always know how to talk, like, a little bit of Spanish. (laughs) That shit was gone in like six months.

Sean O'Malley 8:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Six months after I graduated high school, it was gone.

Sean O'Malley 8:31 Yeah. I was, I was-

Joe Rogan 8:32 You want some coffee?

Sean O'Malley 8:33 Fuck it, I might take some coffee. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 8:35 I was surprised. I was doing pretty good. I think Tim, Tim went with me to Mexico. Um, he was impressed. I was trying to have conversations and-

Joe Rogan 8:41 Nice.

Sean O'Malley 8:41 And the thing is, is like, when you, when you're... When I was there, it wasn't, like, as em- as embarrassing, but like when I try to do it with Danny or her mom or like s-

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 8:49 I just feel like a fucking idiot. Like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:50 Imagine how foreigners feel talking to us, you know?

Sean O'Malley 8:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:54 That's why it's so rude to mock them.

Sean O'Malley 8:55 Yeah. Danny, Danny moved to America when she was nine, went to a, just a normal school and no one spoke English. She, she only spoke Spanish, and she was like-

Joe Rogan 9:04 Wow.

Sean O'Malley 9:04 Just ha- submerged into it and just slowly had to learn. Like, she went to English class, obviously, but it's hard when... She said there was one girl in her, in her class that spoke like broken, broken Spanish.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Wow.

Sean O'Malley 9:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Imagine trying to, like, fit in and learn a new culture while you're learning the language. You have totally different culture, totally different environment, and totally different language.

Sean O'Malley 9:25 Yeah. No, it's impressive. I mean, I, it's like you don't really have a choice. When you're nine and you just go to school, it's like you don't have a choice but learn.

Joe Rogan 9:32 Right. Most nine-year-old kids freak out if they have to move to a new neighborhood.

Sean O'Malley 9:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:36 They gotta make new friends. It's like traumatic.

Sean O'Malley 9:39 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:39 You know?

Sean O'Malley 9:40 You did a lot of moving, yeah? Like from Mexico.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Well, when I moved my kids here, there was like... I'm like, "This is like kind of at the wire," where I can't move them anymore and it'd be a problem.

Sean O'Malley 9:49 What age were they?

Joe Rogan 9:49 10 and 12.

Sean O'Malley 9:50 Okay, right, before-

Joe Rogan 9:51 I was like, "This is like right when..." And then we still had friends that visited. We have friends that also live in Texas. I'm like, "This might work now." But if you move them when they're like 15, 16-

Sean O'Malley 10:03 Not good.

Joe Rogan 10:04 Not good. Not good.

Sean O'Malley 10:05 Yeah. I was trying to get my sister to move down when she was... I think she was somewhat like freshman or sophomore. And my... Moved down to Phoenix from Montana, and, uh, my mom was like, "No." I didn't get it. I'm like, "Why?" But thinking about it now, I'm like, yeah, that would have probably been tough for a girl.

Joe Rogan 10:20 It's just r- it's rough.

Sean O'Malley 10:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:21 It's rough for everybody. If you... And especially girls, they go on these... It's like a natural bullying instinct-

Sean O'Malley 10:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:27 ... that like teenage girls have.

Sean O'Malley 10:29 They're fucking mean to each other.

Joe Rogan 10:31 They get fucking mean to each other, dude. I get, I get privy to some text message exchanges that some of these kids have.

Sean O'Malley 10:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:36 I'm like, "What the fuck, man?" And parents get confronted by their kid being, like, horrible and saying horrible shit to people. Kids telling kids to kill themselves, like wild shit.

Sean O'Malley 10:48 Fuck. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:48 Not no kids I know did, let me just state that.

Sean O'Malley 10:51 Just a general-

Joe Rogan 10:51 But I do know that there was like a thing where a girl was arrested, and, uh, she wound up being held guilty. And she was a teenager. She broke up with this guy, and she convinced him to kill himself, and he killed himself.

Sean O'Malley 11:02 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Remember that?

Sean O'Malley 11:03 That was on Netfl- I think that was on Netflix or some shit. I watched that.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Like, wha- I mean, there's something about, like, teenage people that are just, like, learning how to be mean and learning how to, like, turn out... And, and being scared of people doing it to them.

Sean O'Malley 11:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:14 And so they pile on each other, like, "Whoo."

Sean O'Malley 11:17 And you're not learning anything in school that's like-

Joe Rogan 11:19 (sighs)

Sean O'Malley 11:19 ... communication skills or, like going-

Joe Rogan 11:22 No.

Sean O'Malley 11:22 ... in- inside yourself and feelings, and like you're not learning any of that, so it's just...

Joe Rogan 11:26 Imagine learning how to talk while you're texting. Imagine like learning how to communicate-

Sean O'Malley 11:30 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:31 ... with people, and you're doing more texting than you are actually communicating.

Sean O'Malley 11:34 That's how... I mean, I think in seventh grade, I got my first flip phone, seventh, eighth grade. So I was trying to... I could talk to chicks texting. I could text them, "Hey," like, "You look good." I could say anything.

Joe Rogan 11:44 It's so arduous though.

Sean O'Malley 11:44 But then in school, I'd go down to see them, I'd be like, it'd be... I couldn't have a conversation. I was so scared.

Joe Rogan 11:49 Right.

Sean O'Malley 11:49 But texting, I could say some... Say what I... You know, whatever.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Well, it's like we were talking about standup. It's just a thing you get used to doing. You know? Like, you're used to fighting. Like, for you, um, I'm sure you get, uh, heightened senses-

Sean O'Malley 12:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:03 ... and y- you get fired up, and your adrenaline kicks in, but this is a normal thing for you.

Sean O'Malley 12:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:07 To oth... There's people that just would completely freeze in their f- and not even be able to walk into the cage.

Sean O'Malley 12:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:14 They would have a panic attack. But you've done it so many times. I think that's the... Kind of the case with all things that are difficult to do.

Sean O'Malley 12:20 Yeah. I, I...... that too. And it's, like, a skill you have to learn, 'cause, like, Donald Cerrone, for example, did it how many times? In, like... I was in the backstage when, of his last fight. I fought, uh... Fu- I don't remember who I fought. But I w- uh, I was in, in the back room. He was walking up before me. He was warming up, and he just looked, not scared. I don't know if there were nervous, like, had this anxious energy. And, uh, he's done it a m- uh, uh, more than anyone. But it's just, like, uh-

Joe Rogan 12:49 I think-

Sean O'Malley 12:49 And then-

Joe Rogan 12:50 I think if you wanna fight well, that never really goes away. I think-

Sean O'Malley 12:54 Okay.

Joe Rogan 12:54 ... you have confidence, and I think you control it. And I think the best guys learn how to handle it. But, you know, when you're looking at, like, uh, Alex Pereira looking at Stylebender-

Sean O'Malley 13:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:06 ... in the face-off, like, th- there has to be some crazy heightened sense of tension and awareness in the moment. And it's, it's a crazy big fight. I don't think you get away with that, without not having that.

Sean O'Malley 13:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 I think everybody has it. It's just some people handle it better. And I think the guys that don't have it, I think sometimes they get in trouble. Like some fights, I've seen guys where they're just a little too calm.

Sean O'Malley 13:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:28 A little too confident. And then they get lit up.

Sean O'Malley 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 It's almost like they can't wake themselves up.

Sean O'Malley 13:33 Interesting. Yeah. I- for me, my, that last fight, fight going in there with Petr, I just felt, I, I felt no nerves. I felt so calm. Like, and I've had nerves. I've had fights, like my, my debut when I fought Terry Honore, I remember, like, in the backstage, like closing my eyes too long. And I was thinking, like, "I c- if I lose this, and then lose one more, I could get cut." Like, having that thought vividly. And I was like, "Whoa, fuck that." Okay, but, like, counter that obviously with, with some positive shit. But that, going into that last fight, I had zero nerves. I don't know if it was... I didn't feel like it was a win-win. I'm like, I wasn't thinking like, "Oh, if I lose to Petr, like, no one's gonna care." It was just... I don't know what it was, but I felt, it wa- it was confidence, obviously. I'd had a really good training camp, had a good everything, weight cut. Um, but I wasn't nervous to, to lose, but it wasn't because it was, like, to Petr. It just wasn't... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:21 You just had gotten into a good head space to compete, maybe.

Sean O'Malley 14:24 Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Maybe you're just, like, much better now at getting in the right head space that allows you to compete at your best.

Sean O'Malley 14:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:31 Because if you think about it, thinking about all those other things, those are not beneficial.

Sean O'Malley 14:34 Pointless.

Joe Rogan 14:34 And you've experienced those in the past, and you learn from it.

Sean O'Malley 14:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Yeah, that's what it is. It's like there's these moments in, m- uh, in life, where you c- you could think the wrong way and just go off the rails, or you could manage it.

Sean O'Malley 14:47 Yeah. It's a skill. It's a mental skill. And I've, I attribute that to all the things I do in preparation leading up to fights. And, you know, I've had so many training camps now. I think that was my tenth fight in the UFC, and then I had, you know, a ton of fights before that. But I do think it's just learning each camp a little bit more, little bit more, to prepare yourself for, for that specific moment.

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 15:08 Fights are fucking weird, because you... Like, I had no plans for October 23rd. The fight was October 22nd. Like, it's just, like, you just plan on, not dying, but you're just like, there's nothing else that matters. For 12 weeks, I knew I was fighting him for a long time, over three months. There was just nothing. Like, October 22nd was that date. Nothing else mattered. It's, it's crazy what kind of head space you get into, into fight camp. And then after fight camp, it takes, takes me, like, two, three weeks. Like, we're four weeks out tomorrow from that last fight. To get back to just normal thinking, and not-

Joe Rogan 15:41 Hmm.

Sean O'Malley 15:41 And just being, like, being at home, being a dad, being... J- j- it's ju- it's a weird mind space you get into in fight camp.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Hmm.

Sean O'Malley 15:49 Yeah, it's d- and it's ju- I mean, it's just a, a very disciplined mindset. And then, then there's, I know some fighters that don't really train and take it as serious. Like, but everyone's different.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Well, I think you're figuring out how to do it right for you.

Sean O'Malley 16:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:05 You know, you're, you're dialing it in. And I think the way you're doing it is the right way. I think it's the only way you make those big leaps. I mean, you're in a fucking shark-infested pond, man.

Sean O'Malley 16:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:17 That is such a shark-filled section of M- MMA. That 135-pound division is wild, man.

Sean O'Malley 16:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:25 And no one weighs 135 pounds. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 16:28 Dude, Aljo. I know, I heard Aljo say he was, like, 170 or something the other day.

Joe Rogan 16:31 (laughs) Look how Joe's so big.

Sean O'Malley 16:33 I'm like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 16:34 He's the-

Sean O'Malley 16:34 No wonder he doesn't want to fight till July.

Joe Rogan 16:35 ... his build is, like, the perfect 135 pound. Like, you can't get any bigger, any leaner.

Sean O'Malley 16:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:42 It's like hi- You know if there's, like, tweeners?

Sean O'Malley 16:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Like, I think Diego Sanchez was always a tweener. You know, he was, like, a little bit too small for 155. And, you know, when he tried to make 45, like, that was way too much of a weight cut.

Sean O'Malley 16:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:56 And at 70, like, I think he was small for those guys. He beat a lot of good guys at all those weight classes. Like, Diego in his prime was just... But he was just an animal. And I was like, "If there was a 160-pound division," like, somewhere in that range.

Sean O'Malley 17:10 Yeah. Yeah, no. That would, that would be, that'd be sweet if they had more divisions. I know you guys always talk about that.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 17:15 But yeah, that's, I mean...

Joe Rogan 17:16 I think it should be every 10 pounds.

Sean O'Malley 17:18 Yeah, it makes sense. 65, uh, what is it? 75.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 17:22 75, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:23 'Cause here's the thing too about guys who have too many fights with guys that are out of their weight class. Like, I think it takes even more off of you. You know, I think if you're a small guy in the weight class, and you have wars with the bigger guys in the weight class, I think it probably takes even more off of you.

Sean O'Malley 17:37 Yeah. I mean, and then f- A- Aljo, in my, in my opinion, I think... You know, I walk around 1... I think I was 157, 158. I feel like that's, that's prime. He's, he's, if he's walking around 170, that's too fucking big.

Joe Rogan 17:49 When you get to 58-

Sean O'Malley 17:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:51 ... is it in, like, looming in the back of your mind, "135, 130."

Sean O'Malley 17:54 Oh yeah, I don't get ab- I will not get above 160 because I know I have to eventually make weight. And I think Aljo, like... That's just too... He, he's saying he doesn't w- wanna fight, you know, the weight cut and all that. But that's, I mean, if you're gonna be champion, look at Adesanya, he's fighting-

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 18:09 ... all the time. If you're gonna be champ, you gotta be ready to go.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Why?

Sean O'Malley 18:13 And you can't get that big.

Joe Rogan 18:14 What did you think about Adesanya when he went up and fought Jan Blachowicz and he didn't even gain any weight?

Sean O'Malley 18:20 So that was from 185 to 205.

Joe Rogan 18:23 Yeah, he went from 85 to 205-

Sean O'Malley 18:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:26 ... and he won at weighing, like, 194 or something like that. So he didn't do anything to try to gain weight. He just didn't cut weight. That's probably what he walks around at before he fights in middleweight.

Sean O'Malley 18:35 Yeah. I mean, that was just a tough matchup for him to go up.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 18:37 That's a lot of weight too. It's not like going up 10. Like, for me to go up to 45 is only 10 pounds. For him-

Joe Rogan 18:42 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 18:42 ... you know, going up 20 pounds, try to become double champ, that's tough. That's su- that's like a shitty, shitty weight class to wanna be double champ in. Unless you're Alex Pereira. I don't get how he ... 'Cause when on the scale, he doesn't look super, super sucked in. Like, doesn't look like he just got done cutting 20 pounds, but that motherfucker is so massive. He made Izzy look small. And I've been around Izzy, Izzy's a big guy.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Yeah. Izzy's a long, tall man, and Pereira's just, everything was so ... Did you see what Robert Whittaker said about it?

Sean O'Malley 19:11 The big fella?

Joe Rogan 19:11 He goes, "You see the size of this fella?" (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 19:14 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:14 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 19:14 I did. I do.

Joe Rogan 19:15 "He's a freaking giant." (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 19:16 Yeah. And he is. I, that's an interest- ... They gotta give Izzy the rematch though, right?

Joe Rogan 19:21 Oh, I've, I would think for sure.

Sean O'Malley 19:22 He got it.

Joe Rogan 19:22 If Izzy wants that, I would think that's his.

Sean O'Malley 19:25 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, Izzy said he, he wanted it, but fuck, dude. He fought a damn near perfect fight-

Joe Rogan 19:30 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 19:30 ... for a couple more minutes.

Joe Rogan 19:32 So, he goes from e- yeah, from 83 kilograms to 99.3 kilograms.

Sean O'Malley 19:40 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 19:40 So, what is 99.3 kilograms? Is that, like, 220 something pounds?

Sean O'Malley 19:44 That picture on the left, 219 on fight day.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 19:47 I mean, it's weird, 'cause when they weigh you on fight day, like, they just grab a s- there's a scale. You have your shoes on and shit, like, there. You have a hoodie on. They don't really make you take your shit off and weigh yourself, but-

Joe Rogan 19:56 Look at that. 219. He's, he walks around at w- well, he weighs in at 184, and then he f- weighs in on the fight day at 219. That's crazy. That's so big.

Sean O'Malley 20:07 I don't get it.

Joe Rogan 20:07 He's a heavyweight.

Sean O'Malley 20:09 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Pare- (laughs) he's a fucking heavyweight.

Sean O'Malley 20:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:12 He's a heavyweight. He's like ... Look, if he had a little bit of fat on him-

Sean O'Malley 20:16 Wonderful.

Joe Rogan 20:16 ... he's a heavyweight. Right? Like-

Sean O'Malley 20:18 Yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 20:18 Like, if you had Cain Velasquez looking ... Those are some busted up toes, son.

Sean O'Malley 20:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:23 Those are some toes that would kick some elbows, man.

Sean O'Malley 20:25 Some kickboxing. Yeah. Fuck. That's the worst about every time I get into a fight is my fucking feet.

Joe Rogan 20:29 Look at those toes, son. Those toes have seen hell.

Sean O'Malley 20:32 That's gonna be, that's a big r- that's a big fight though, the rematch.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Oh, fuck yeah it is.

Sean O'Malley 20:35 The fourth fight.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Fuck yeah it is.

Sean O'Malley 20:36 That would, God, imagine if Izzy lose again though, he's just 4 and 0 to this guy, or 0 and 4.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Do you, do you think if you were Izzy, should he take some time? Should he go right into the rematch in, like, six months? Like, what if you were in his corner, what would you say to him?

Sean O'Malley 20:52 Yeah. I mean, I wonder if Alex is gonna stick around and defend it with someone else.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Oh, no. Alex would take that fight. That's such a-

Sean O'Malley 20:58 No, no.

Joe Rogan 20:59 ... giant fight.

Sean O'Malley 20:59 Alex ... Yeah, Alex will, but I wonder if Izzy said, "Nah, let's let someone else try to fight Alex." I wonder if Alex is sticking around for that, or if he's like, "I'm gonna go up to 205, try to fight double champ." Unless it's Glover, right?

Joe Rogan 21:10 No, he would never fight Glover.

Sean O'Malley 21:11 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 21:11 Well, but, that's actually a good point. If Jiri Prochazka beats Glover in the rematch-

Sean O'Malley 21:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:17 ... and then he decides to avenge Glover and fight Jiri Prochazka, they got a great storyline.

Sean O'Malley 21:23 (sighs) Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 21:24 What a storyline, 'cause Jiri is ... He's got s- obviously has grappling skills-

Sean O'Malley 21:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:28 ... 'cause he submitted Glover, but that was in sort of a wild exchange, and he caught him in a choke while they're in this-

Sean O'Malley 21:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:34 And it was just, it was in hell.

Sean O'Malley 21:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:36 They were in, they're both in hell. I mean, they drag each other-

Sean O'Malley 21:38 Deep in hell.

Joe Rogan 21:39 ... to hell. It was like, as exhausted as you can be, as broken as you can be. Everybody got rocked. Everybody got hurt. It was crazy-ass fight.

Sean O'Malley 21:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:48 Jiri did submit him. But, uh, they say Pereira's got a brown belt in jiu-jitsu. Like, he just got a brown belt in jiu-jitsu, the g- like, that Glover gave him his brown belt.

Sean O'Malley 21:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:57 I don't know what it actually looks like if he thinks he's going to grapple.

Sean O'Malley 22:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:01 You know? Like, he, I don't think he thought he was going to grapple.

Sean O'Malley 22:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:04 I would like-

Sean O'Malley 22:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:06 ... to see, like, if that's a real brown belt. Like, does OC him real grappling? But when it comes to hitting people-

Sean O'Malley 22:11 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 22:11 ... that fuck- ... Dude, he's fucking technical too, man.

Sean O'Malley 22:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:14 It's not just power.

Sean O'Malley 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 The way he's setting Izzy up.

Sean O'Malley 22:17 That left hook is so fast.

Joe Rogan 22:19 The left hook is murderous, and he checks kicks-

Sean O'Malley 22:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:21 ... as good as anybody, man. If you watch his left leg when he's fighting, when he's stomping forward, he checks everything, man.

Sean O'Malley 22:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 He's checking all those calf kicks, but that was a big problem in the fight was that Izzy had landed some brutal ... Or, he had landed rather some brutal calf kicks on Izzy-

Sean O'Malley 22:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:38 ... early on. I think it was, like, five or six in that first round.

Sean O'Malley 22:41 Heavy.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Heavy.

Sean O'Malley 22:42 Those are heavy too. His fucking fist. I, I met him ... I fought him the, when he fought shit Strickland, and his fist is, like, literally both mine put together. It was so massive.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Dude, and they're long.

Sean O'Malley 22:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:54 They're, like, long fists. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 22:56 Just a big fella. Just a big fucking fella.

Joe Rogan 22:58 His fucking highlight reel is like nobody else's. His highlight reel is so wild. Like, his, his fight ... You see his fight with Jason Wilnis?

Sean O'Malley 23:07 No.

Joe Rogan 23:08 (sighs) Pull up Pereira KOs Jason Wilnis. By the way-

Sean O'Malley 23:12 He's a kickboxer?

Joe Rogan 23:12 Yeah. Jason Wilnis was world champion. Jason Wilnis is like top of the food chain elite kickboxer and, uh, he fought Pereira before, and he actually had beaten Pereira at some time early in Pereira's career. But this fucking knockout is so wild. And you gotta remember, like, you know, these are, this is like the cream of the crop in Glory. Do you got that?

Narrator 23:33 Guys, I clicked the wrong thing.

Sean O'Malley 23:35 Ah. You have it, Jamie?

Joe Rogan 23:36 Jeez.

Sean O'Malley 23:36 Ah.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Here it, here it goes.

Sean O'Malley 23:40 God, he's such a long-

Narrator 23:42 Boxer next. ... fucking kickboxer. Pereira didn't punch that-

Joe Rogan 23:44 But it's just like he's built different than everybody else. It's weird, man.

Sean O'Malley 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Like, the kind of snap that he has in his shots.

Sean O'Malley 23:53 Fucking Izzy had him. Man.

Joe Rogan 23:55 Oh, yeah, man.

Sean O'Malley 23:55 10, 10 more seconds in that fir- ... No.

Joe Rogan 23:56 Oh, my God.

Sean O'Malley 23:56 Two, three more seconds in that first round.

Joe Rogan 23:58 First round, he was fucked.

Sean O'Malley 23:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 23:59 He was fucked.

Sean O'Malley 24:01 And he was ... (sighs) Dude.

Joe Rogan 24:02 That right hand was perfect.

Sean O'Malley 24:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:04 There he is.

Sean O'Malley 24:04 Oh. Oh.

Joe Rogan 24:05 So, watch this.

Narrator 24:06 Alex Pereira out-

Joe Rogan 24:07 So, he hit, he drops Wilnis with a head kick.

Narrator 24:09 ... and Alex Wilnis! And he's busted Wilnis's face.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Wilnis is in trouble.

Sean O'Malley 24:14 God.

Narrator 24:14 5, 6, 7, 8. That looked like it hit his hand. Gloves off-

Sean O'Malley 24:16 He just stands there like a fucking killer.

Joe Rogan 24:18 He pu- kicked through his hand.

Narrator 24:19 Pereira goes back up-

Joe Rogan 24:21 Oh.

Narrator 24:21 ... with a big knee down on Pereira.

Sean O'Malley 24:22 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 24:23 Bro.

Sean O'Malley 24:24 That was-

Joe Rogan 24:24 Bro.

Sean O'Malley 24:24 God. Imagine if Izzy- ... He lose again, though, he's just 4 and 0 to this guy, or 0 and 4.

Joe Rogan 24:30 If you were Izzy, should he take some time? Should he go right into the rematch in, like, six months? Like, w- if you were in his corner, what would you say to him? Yeah. Like, I mean, I wonder ... Like, if Alex is gonna stick around and defend it with someone else? Oh, no. Alex would take that fight. That's such a giant fight.

Sean O'Malley 24:34 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 24:34 Like, listen, listen to his, s- the sounds he makes when he screams.

Sean O'Malley 24:39 It's over!

Joe Rogan 24:39 Watch this.

Narrator 24:44 That's that completeness. That was a head kick.

Sean O'Malley 24:46 Oh, that was scary, dude.

Joe Rogan 24:47 That dude is a legitimate ancestor of people-

Sean O'Malley 24:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:50 ... that were, like, tribal folks in Brazil, in the Amazon. Like-

Sean O'Malley 24:54 He looks like it.

Joe Rogan 24:55 He is, man.

Sean O'Malley 24:56 Yeah, look, looks, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:57 That's superior genetics, son. That is-

Sean O'Malley 25:00 Those knees, those long fellas.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Bro, that's some crazy genetics.

Sean O'Malley 25:05 Yeah, yeah, perfect for fighting that-

Joe Rogan 25:07 And-

Sean O'Malley 25:07 ... that style.

Joe Rogan 25:08 And the technique, man.

Sean O'Malley 25:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:09 He's fucking technical.

Sean O'Malley 25:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:10 When he was walking down Izzy, when they were, like, hand fighting, and he was checking these kicks. I'm like, "This is dangerous in every way." It's not just dangerous power. He's fucking sneaky. He's really technical and creative when he's hitting people.

Sean O'Malley 25:24 Yeah, slick. That pressure-

Joe Rogan 25:25 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 25:25 ... he was putting on Izzy, too, just slow, forward.

Joe Rogan 25:28 And he's fighting strange. It's like hands down, straight up.

Sean O'Malley 25:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:32 You know, and he moves in on you, and it's just like-

Sean O'Malley 25:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:35 ... it's so filled with danger.

Sean O'Malley 25:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Like, every step he moves towards guys, you see this, like, recognition of this, like, it's a different kind of power.

Sean O'Malley 25:44 I'd be so curious to see, uh, him versus Robert Whitaker, but I feel like he's gonna make Whitaker look tiny.

Joe Rogan 25:51 Yeah, but Whitaker's got wrestling.

Sean O'Malley 25:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Whitaker's got real wrestling.

Sean O'Malley 25:54 Yeah, or Marvin. Marvin's a-

Joe Rogan 25:55 Yeah, Marvin-

Sean O'Malley 25:56 ... thick bastard.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Marvin's a big fuck.

Sean O'Malley 25:58 Yeah, he is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:58 That's, there, he's a big fuck.

Sean O'Malley 26:00 He is.

Joe Rogan 26:00 You, look, you stare at that guy, like, "How do you make 85?"

Sean O'Malley 26:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:02 He's huge.

Sean O'Malley 26:03 Yeah. Marvin's a big fuck, for sure.

Joe Rogan 26:04 So guys like that that have good grappling, big strong guys, that's gonna be interesting 'cause I don't know whether or not he can keep those guys off of him. And also I don't know, we don't, we really don't know what it's like for him to fight five rounds with a grappler.

Sean O'Malley 26:19 Different.

Joe Rogan 26:19 We saw him struggle grappling with Izzy.

Sean O'Malley 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Perhaps he wasn't prepared 'cause he didn't expect it. But still, he got dominated in one round, on the ground-

Sean O'Malley 26:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:28 ... by Izzy.

Sean O'Malley 26:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:30 If a real elite grappler gets a hold of him, you know?

Sean O'Malley 26:33 From what we saw from that Izzy verse, th- that little exchange on the ground, you, you, I'd assume, like, yeah, a guy like Marvin would, would take his back, choke him.

Joe Rogan 26:42 But if he got in there with a guy like Rodolfo Vieira?

Sean O'Malley 26:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:46 What if, what if, what if he got in there with one of those big Brazilian jujitsu, like, jack black belts?

Sean O'Malley 26:51 God, I can't imagine sh- shooting on that dude, though. Knowing those knees.

Joe Rogan 26:55 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 26:55 Knowing those knees are right, like-

Joe Rogan 26:56 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 26:57 ... coming up the middle like that. Fuck.

Joe Rogan 26:58 Well, especially in the first round when he's fresh.

Sean O'Malley 27:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Like, you're not gonna get to th- to those hips. Like, and you, you're gonna run into some shit, maybe.

Sean O'Malley 27:06 How old is he? 34, 35?

Joe Rogan 27:07 34, I believe. 34.

Sean O'Malley 27:08 So he's not too... I mean, he's got a, if he wants to fight in, in his prime for probably got a couple more in him.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Couple more years-

Sean O'Malley 27:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:15 ... to be a- at the elite level. But then you look at Glover.

Sean O'Malley 27:18 True.

Joe Rogan 27:18 And you're like, "How is he doing that?"

Sean O'Malley 27:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:20 How is he fighting at that level? Like, when he stopped Blachowicz and choked him, when he dropped him and took him down.

Sean O'Malley 27:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:26 He just ran through him. Like, J- Jan Blachowicz was the fucking Light Heavyweight Champion, and Glover just ran through him.

Sean O'Malley 27:31 Yeah, that was legendary.

Joe Rogan 27:32 41 years old at the time.

Sean O'Malley 27:35 Damn, he that old?

Joe Rogan 27:36 Yeah, bro. I think he won it at 41.

Sean O'Malley 27:38 So is he 40-

Joe Rogan 27:39 42 now.

Sean O'Malley 27:40 42 now?

Joe Rogan 27:41 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 27:41 Fighting, what is that? December 10th?

Joe Rogan 27:42 December 10th, the rematch. Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 27:45 42?

Joe Rogan 27:46 42.

Sean O'Malley 27:46 Holy shit. How old's Jiri? Mid-30s?

Joe Rogan 27:50 Younger, much younger.

Sean O'Malley 27:51 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:52 Uh-

Sean O'Malley 27:52 Forty two?

Joe Rogan 27:54 How old is Jiri Prochazka? You know, it doesn't say. It doesn't say. They won't tell you on UFC. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 27:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:58 They hide that shit.

Sean O'Malley 27:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:59 I would want... I mean, I think it's a selling point, honestly.

Sean O'Malley 28:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:02 Especially for-

Sean O'Malley 28:03 If you want it for your home.

Joe Rogan 28:04 ... dudes, like, 40 or old.

Sean O'Malley 28:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:05 Like, I wanna see old dudes go in there and fuck people up. And Glover's just so... He, and the thing that happened with Glover, too, is his relationship with, uh, Alex Pereira.

Sean O'Malley 28:14 Oh, he's only 30?

Joe Rogan 28:14 Jiri's only 30.

Sean O'Malley 28:15 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Jesus Christ, that guy's so talented, man.

Sean O'Malley 28:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:18 He's super creative.

Sean O'Malley 28:20 Yeah, that dude's sick.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Super weird to watch. But I think what happened was Glover training with Alex, the- the- the two of them tightened each other's games up really substantially.

Sean O'Malley 28:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:29 You saw, like, a big leap in Glover once he started training with Alex.

Sean O'Malley 28:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:34 And- and he was like, "Hey, I'm in the ring with this fucking killer, man." Like... (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 28:39 Yeah, that's what happens when you train-

Joe Rogan 28:40 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 28:40 ... with fucking killers.

Joe Rogan 28:41 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 28:42 You got to, especially at this level. It's like, if you're just training with fucking turds-

Joe Rogan 28:46 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 28:46 ... you'll be a fucking turd.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Yeah, there seems to be a real benefit to the struggle of training with someone who could fucking kill you on a regular basis. Like, y- you either sink or swim, but if you do swim, those guys who do swim, they... Think about those camps that have, like, a ton of killers. You know, that just, like, everybody thrives off of everybody.

Sean O'Malley 29:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:06 You gotta just, like, not destroy each other in training, and you can all get through it better.

Sean O'Malley 29:11 Yeah, the sparring.

Joe Rogan 29:12 That's where it gets hard.

Sean O'Malley 29:12 Some, some people... I mean, that's just can change someone's career, just how hard you spar.

Joe Rogan 29:18 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 29:18 I haven't sparred... I spar in camp. Like, that last fight I sparred, I think, nine weeks out, up to the fight. And then, uh...

Joe Rogan 29:24 Are you careful with training partners? Do you have, like, guys that you know that you could spar with, that you'll, like, legitimately spar and not turn into a fight?

Sean O'Malley 29:32 Uh, Mario Bautista. I know he just fucking smoked, um, that one dude, um, Benito Lopez. I've been training with Mario for probably the last seven, eight years. We were both amateurs at the MMA Lab. Um, he- he's one... We're... I feel like we're alw- every ti- he's so good at mimicking whoever I'm fighting, or he's such a good training partner, that it never really turns into, like, a, an ego match. Um, then there's a bunch of guys at the MMA Lab that are, are killers, up-and-comers. But sparring, we, we turn it up. We do gotta, we gotta go hard. I want that feel, but I also want them to know, "Hey, if, if I do get hit, if you rock me at all, don't try to take me out."

Joe Rogan 30:08 Right.

Sean O'Malley 30:08 Or like, "I want, you know... This is, this is sparring, like..."

Joe Rogan 30:11 Right.

Sean O'Malley 30:11 "I'm not getting paid. You're not getting paid. Let's, let's take care of each other." So I always try to take care of my partners, too. I don't wanna... The last thing I wanna do is fucking knock one of my partners out.

Joe Rogan 30:19 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 30:19 And I've dropped my partners, and I feel this... I feel so bad just 'cause I know how concussions can change people's careers, change their lives outside of fighting. So, but my main focus is, you know, not knocking my partner out, and I want them to, you know, be the same way while turning it up, 'cause I do want to get a good, good fucking look for-

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 30:39 ... for guys like Peter. Like, I wanted guys to come after me. I knew that motherfucker was gonna come after me, so I wanted my partners to not be, like, in- like timid and... Sometimes it's hard to find training partners that are gonna, like-... come after me and, and not be, like, scared a little bit.

Joe Rogan 30:52 Yeah. One of the things that I, I learned from, uh, watching fights, like ... This, and this is important, is that when I watch fights at home-

Sean O'Malley 31:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:01 ... when I just watch 'em, um, I don't sometimes know who really won-

Sean O'Malley 31:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:06 ... 'cause I'm not totally paying attention.

Sean O'Malley 31:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Maybe I get a text message from my friend, maybe I'm talking to my kid, maybe the dog comes in the room. Like, maybe I don't know.

Sean O'Malley 31:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Like, when you watch fights with a group of friends and you're all laughing and talking shit, you barely know what the fuck is going on.

Sean O'Malley 31:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Which leads me to your l- your last fight. Because after that fight, there was a bunch of people that were saying, "That was a bad decision. Petr Yan shoulda got it." And I remember being in my green room, I just did a show in London, and we're eating steaks and we're all talking, we're watching the fight. I'm like, "Do you think he won?" Like, "I don't know." I'm like, "I'm gonna have to watch that one again."

Sean O'Malley 31:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:40 I'm like, "It didn't ... He looked like Petr took him down a bunch." So there's a perception, and I think some of that perception comes from take-downs.

Sean O'Malley 31:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:49 And so then I go back and I just watch it. I just watch the fight with no one in the room but me and when I was at the gym. And I was like, "No. That's a, that's not a bad decision." You know, there was one round to you in the beginning.

Sean O'Malley 32:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:03 Second round to Yan.

Sean O'Malley 32:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:04 Third round to you. If you look at damage done, you look at overall strikes and impact, you landed more. He definitely took you down.

Sean O'Malley 32:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:14 But how much was done with that? That's the thing. It's like, what does that count for?

Sean O'Malley 32:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Like, it's a b- it ... I know there's, there's a sort of subjective element to how that gets regarded, and what, what's good and what's bad, but that was not a bad decision. It was very fucking close fight.

Sean O'Malley 32:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:31 A very good fight. But that, I felt like for you that was gonna be that fight where we'll see.

Sean O'Malley 32:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:37 You know, we'll see how you hang with the cream of the crop, 'cause that guy's the best.

Sean O'Malley 32:41 Yeah. Fuck yeah. I-

Joe Rogan 32:43 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 32:43 All the people that were saying ... Not all of them. A lot of the people that were saying it was a robbery were the same people going into that fight saying I was gonna get smoked. So they fucking hated the fact that I was even close. So, uh, but yeah, I, I've, I've re-watched the fight a bunch. First round, I, I feel like was the round that was controversial. Some people were saying it should've been 30-27 Yan, and those guys are just fucking ... They're hat-

Joe Rogan 33:02 They're hot.

Sean O'Malley 33:02 They're haters. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:03 Those guys are hot.

Sean O'Malley 33:03 'Cause the third round is clearly mine. I cut him bad and hurt him. The second round he, he won but I did drop him. Technically I dropped him.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 33:10 He cracked me, didn't drop me, but he, he, he did more damage in the second round. The first round was the one that was the most, like, up in the air. And when he, when he took me down, I was, I was throwing up omoplata's, triangles, arm bars. They weren't necessarily close. They weren't close to submitting him, but he was having to react. He was having to do the defenses to where he wasn't able to strike me.

Joe Rogan 33:28 Right.

Sean O'Malley 33:28 Which w- led me to being able to get up, so, um ... And then when I did get up, I was landing, clearly landing the, the better shots. But yeah, a lot of people, they, they just hated the fact that I skipped the entire top 10, went to the top dog, and, uh, you know, I gotta answer ... A lot of their, there was questions about, you know, cardio, um, can I even grapple, 'cause I hadn't really grappled yet in UFC. Um, do I have that dog in me? Do I have heart? Which, uh, I mean, I felt like I showed that when I broke my foot in the Andre Sakharov fight s- five years ago. I was fighting with one foot, and like, you know, people don't remember those, those moments. But yeah, I feel like I gotta show a lot in that, that fight.

Joe Rogan 34:07 Yeah. Oh, you definitely did. Yeah, but fuck all those people.

Sean O'Malley 34:10 Yeah, they're ... It doesn't-

Joe Rogan 34:11 Fuck ... You can't- (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 34:12 It, it doesn't, it doesn't bother me. It, it doesn't. Like, we talk about it, like I talk about it on the podcasts and stuff. I do talk about it, because it's, you know, it, uh, it's d- being talked about.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Well, it's you're, you're a-

Sean O'Malley 34:21 Doesn't bother me.

Joe Rogan 34:22 ... flamboyant personality-

Sean O'Malley 34:24 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:24 ... and you talk a lot of shit.

Sean O'Malley 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 So when people talk a lot of shit, it gets a lot of people to pay attention to them-

Sean O'Malley 34:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:29 ... which is great, but it also gets a bunch of haters hoping-

Sean O'Malley 34:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 ... that you get beat up. And-

Sean O'Malley 34:34 That's Floyd's whole way of he made money-

Joe Rogan 34:35 Yes.

Sean O'Malley 34:35 ... his whole career. Conor, I mean-

Joe Rogan 34:37 Yes.

Sean O'Malley 34:37 ... everyone fucking wanted to see him lose. I mean, eventually I'm gonna be making them pay-per-view points, and if people are gonna buy to pay me-

Joe Rogan 34:43 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 34:43 ... or pay to see me get knocked out-

Joe Rogan 34:46 Floyd's the-

Sean O'Malley 34:46 ... please do.

Joe Rogan 34:46 ... great master at it. Floyd went from being, like, a real exciting pressure fighter, and he had a bunch of hand problems, to, like, Money Mayweather, start talking shit-

Sean O'Malley 34:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 ... just boxing people's faces off. No more hand problems, much more money. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 35:01 Yeah, I love what he's doing too, beating up these YouTube guys.

Joe Rogan 35:03 It's crazy. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 35:04 I love it. I love it.

Joe Rogan 35:05 It's so funny that these guys are willing to get beat up by him. Like-

Sean O'Malley 35:08 Well, they, I think they're all delusional.

Joe Rogan 35:10 They really think they have a chance.

Sean O'Malley 35:11 Most of them ... I mean, yeah, they really think ... I mean-

Joe Rogan 35:15 Isn't that hilarious?

Sean O'Malley 35:15 They're like, "I could land it. I could land a shot." And they-

Joe Rogan 35:17 Isn't that hilarious?

Sean O'Malley 35:18 If you're not a ... Ah, yeah. It's fucking wei- ... I love what he's doing though. I wa- I mean, I don't, didn't watch his last one. Um, I watched the one with Logan, was the only one I really watched. And-

Joe Rogan 35:27 The Logan one was insane.

Sean O'Malley 35:28 Logan's a ... I bet Floyd was in there like, "What the fuck? I didn't realize this motherfucker was that big." Logan's a-

Joe Rogan 35:33 He's so big.

Sean O'Malley 35:34 ... big guy.

Joe Rogan 35:35 He's so big.

Sean O'Malley 35:35 And athletic.

Joe Rogan 35:37 Very athletic. And when he was like swinging wild at Flo-

Sean O'Malley 35:40 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 35:40 ... at Floyd, I was like, "If one of these gets through, that's a big old Viking fella."

Sean O'Malley 35:45 Yeah. Yeah, that was, that one w- I was sitting on the edge of my seat. That was probably ... I like Jake, what Jake's fights too. I'll, I'll watch those, but it's pretty much the only boxing (laughs) I watch, like Logan or Jake's-

Joe Rogan 35:55 Bro.

Sean O'Malley 35:55 ... fighting or-

Joe Rogan 35:56 He dropped Anderson Silva.

Sean O'Malley 35:58 I was front row for that.

Joe Rogan 35:59 He dropped Anderson Silva.

Sean O'Malley 36:00 It was-

Joe Rogan 36:00 I mean, no, no matter what anybody says.

Sean O'Malley 36:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:01 Jake Paul dropped Anderson Silva.

Sean O'Malley 36:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:03 You gotta stop with all this, "He's just a YouTuber."

Sean O'Malley 36:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:06 He had a boxing match with Anderson Silva, he won a unanimous decision and he dropped him.

Sean O'Malley 36:10 Yeah. That w- it was entertaining.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Conversation's over.

Sean O'Malley 36:11 It was fucking entertaining too.

Joe Rogan 36:12 Very entertaining. It was a good fight.

Sean O'Malley 36:13 Great boxing match.

Joe Rogan 36:14 I submit, and I have before, that if that guy wasn't Jake Paul from YouTube and he was just an up-and-coming undefeated boxer who's been knocking out MMA fighters, you would go, "Wow. This kid is fucking awesome." You would say, "Look at this up-and-coming boxer who's tricked these MMA-

Sean O'Malley 36:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:31 ... guys into boxing with him, and he's knocking 'em all out." Knocked out Ben Askren, knocked out Tyron Woodley with one punch.

Sean O'Malley 36:38 (sighs) That was gross.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Like, anybody that doesn't think he's legit after that, you're delusional. You're delusional. But-

Sean O'Malley 36:43 Yeah. S-

Joe Rogan 36:43 But he's doing it too, he's getting people to hate him.

Sean O'Malley 36:45 Yeah. So, I'm so curious. And I'm glad they're doing it. I fucking love it. I'm so curious what's next for Jake Paul. I love to wait and for the anticipation. I know the Nate Diaz thing's kinda looming there, but ...

Joe Rogan 36:57 ... imagine if he wins a world title. Like, what if he does this for five or six more years and wins a world title?

Sean O'Malley 37:02 If he keeps, if he's improving, clearly improving fast too, from that last fight, to the Anderson Silva fight, improved a lot.

Joe Rogan 37:10 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 37:10 He went through a full fight camp. He's supposed to fight that Top Ramen Junior fucking whatever the guy's name was. He was supposed to fight him, going through fight camp.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Top Ramen Junior? (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 37:17 I don't remember his name. It was fucking Top Ramen.

Narrator 37:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:20 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 37:20 Something like that.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Rahman?

Sean O'Malley 37:21 Yeah, yeah. Rahman.

Joe Rogan 37:21 Yeah. Haseem Rahman's son.

Sean O'Malley 37:23 I don't know where I got Top Ramen from.

Joe Rogan 37:25 Yeah (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 37:25 But, uh, um... Fuck. He, he improved a lot fr- from going into that fight camp. Supposed to fight that guy, didn't. But you could tell, dude's in the gym, he's training.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 37:36 He's doing big things. So yeah, I'm excited to see him, see, seeing what, what's next for him.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Yeah. It's, um, it's interesting because he's kind of, sort of taken over the sport of boxing in a way. Like, he gets as much attention and as much press as any of these world... Like, Ryan Davis just signed on to fight Gervonta, or R- Javonte Davis just signed on to fight Ryan Garcia.

Sean O'Malley 37:59 That, that is official?

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yes.

Sean O'Malley 38:00 Is it?

Joe Rogan 38:01 Yes.

Sean O'Malley 38:01 Oh, shit. Okay. That's pretty good.

Joe Rogan 38:02 That's happening in February. That's a big fight.

Sean O'Malley 38:04 That's, I'll, I'll, I'll tune into that one.

Joe Rogan 38:05 But like, how come we didn't get Errol Spence versus Terence Crawford? Why didn't we get that fight?

Sean O'Malley 38:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Like, that was supposed to happen. That was in negotiation. Like, with, with boxing there's like certain fights that just don't get made and it's so frustrating.

Sean O'Malley 38:20 Is it different organizations haven't-

Joe Rogan 38:21 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 38:21 ... owned those different fighters and shit?

Joe Rogan 38:23 I guess it's probably a factor, different promoters, it's probably a factor. But it's also like, I think fighters probably want the best deal for themselves.

Sean O'Malley 38:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:32 And they're holding out negotiations and who fucking knows. But it's just like, that was one where I was like, "Damn," like, "How did we not get that fight?" That was a, that was a great fight.

Sean O'Malley 38:43 Yeah. I don't know-

Joe Rogan 38:44 That's a who knows who wins fight. Those are the ones you want.

Sean O'Malley 38:47 (sighs) I mean, I mean, they're, are they, how old are they? Still...

Joe Rogan 38:50 I think Terence Crawford is older.

Sean O'Malley 38:53 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 38:53 I think he's in his 30s. He might be 34.

Sean O'Malley 38:56 Like a Floyd-Manny thing where he get it too late?

Joe Rogan 38:58 Yeah. Man, you don't want that. 'Cause Crawford is like one of the best switch-hitters of all time. He's a fucking wizard in there.

Sean O'Malley 39:05 God, I, and I'm not even very familiar with those guys. Like, I've heard of their names, but I'm not fami- familiar with their-

Joe Rogan 39:09 So you don't watch boxing?

Sean O'Malley 39:11 No.

Joe Rogan 39:11 Really?

Sean O'Malley 39:11 I watch Logan and Jake box and like-

Joe Rogan 39:13 That's hilarious.

Sean O'Malley 39:14 I, I... (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 He's 35.

Sean O'Malley 39:16 35? Yeah, see that's-

Joe Rogan 39:17 Terence Crawford's-

Sean O'Malley 39:17 ... getting a little... Getting up there.

Joe Rogan 39:19 Yeah. It's getting a little, it's getting up there. But...

Sean O'Malley 39:21 What I, well this-

Joe Rogan 39:22 (sighs)

Sean O'Malley 39:22 I wanted to ask you what you think about the power slapping too. I know, 'cause when I, when I was thinking about it, I was like, "I'm gonna probably come on here and if it gets brought up, talk just absolute shit about it." 'Cause I don't fucking... But then I sat, I had a meeting with, with UFC yesterday. And I sat down with Dana, no cameras, nothing, just, just sat down, talked to him. And he was getting so fired up about the power slapping and so passionate about it that it made me almost kinda wanna watch it. 'Cause he announced his, his thing and everything, and I was like... It's like, if they don't have to fucking do it, 'cause my, my whole thing is concussions, like I don't wanna fucking watch people just getting u- And like, they choose to do it. I'm like, "Well, fair point." But I just can't imagine Stan- Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 40:00 Listen, man. Um, I love Dana and, uh, I would be a hypocrite if I said I wouldn't watch this, 'cause I will watch it.

Sean O'Malley 40:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:09 But, (laughs) but this is not my cup of tea.

Sean O'Malley 40:13 (exhales)

Joe Rogan 40:13 What I like is problem solving.

Sean O'Malley 40:15 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 40:15 I like, I like puzzles. I like you and Jan. I like this fucking Russian assassin-

Sean O'Malley 40:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:21 ... storming the gates at you. And you figure out a way to move around him and kick his legs, and jab at him, and that's what I like. I loved that fight.

Sean O'Malley 40:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:30 I loved that fight. I love technique. Like, it was sad to watch f- uh, Frankie Edgar get knocked out this weekend. It was sad. But God damn, Chris Gutierrez is good.

Sean O'Malley 40:40 Yeah. Slick.

Joe Rogan 40:41 God damn, he's slick.

Sean O'Malley 40:42 Yeah. He has-

Joe Rogan 40:43 He's, he's so fl- The way he moves is so nice.

Sean O'Malley 40:47 Yeah. I was, I watched that.

Joe Rogan 40:48 His footwork.

Sean O'Malley 40:49 It was, it was very good. We h- He has like a similar style to mine as far as-

Joe Rogan 40:52 Mm-hmm.

Sean O'Malley 40:52 ... like dancing up against the cage and like-

Joe Rogan 40:54 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 40:54 ... throw similar shots. I think we probably have similar builds. But yeah, I would, I did not like that fight for Frankie.

Joe Rogan 40:59 I did not like it either.

Sean O'Malley 41:00 I'm not allowed to bet on fights now, obvi- w- that whole new thing, so I-

Joe Rogan 41:03 What is that? I don't like that.

Sean O'Malley 41:05 I don't have any insider information.

Joe Rogan 41:06 I want a guy like you who bets his whole fucking purse on winning.

Sean O'Malley 41:10 Oh. Yeah. I can- I'm betting on yourself.

Joe Rogan 41:11 Come on.

Sean O'Malley 41:11 I mean, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Yes. Why?

Sean O'Malley 41:13 So weird.

Joe Rogan 41:14 Why can't a UFC fight... It's bad optics they say.

Sean O'Malley 41:17 I would've bet Frankie... I mean, I woulda, I s- I looked at Chris Gutierrez and I look at Frankie, I'm like, "Chris is gonna probably knock him out." Like, Frankie... That's what I was thinking and I would've put money on it.

Joe Rogan 41:27 And these kids were in the crowd for the first time.

Sean O'Malley 41:29 And they panned to them in the beginning of the fight.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Dude.

Sean O'Malley 41:31 I'm like, "This is nut-"

Joe Rogan 41:32 No, no, no, no.

Sean O'Malley 41:32 That was their first time?

Joe Rogan 41:33 Yes. Their first time seeing him fight live. And he, and it's the end 'cause it's his last fight.

Sean O'Malley 41:38 I don't... Yeah. That, that fucking hurts.

Joe Rogan 41:39 Look, the guy's a fucking warrior. You can't tell him no.

Sean O'Malley 41:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:41 You can't tell him, "Don't do that."

Sean O'Malley 41:43 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 41:43 But God damn, as far as match-ups go, Gutierrez is one of those guys that everybody who watches fights knows he's fucking dangerous, like a top level. But he doesn't have the shine yet.

Sean O'Malley 41:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:54 For whatever reason.

Sean O'Malley 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 You know, not enough... Maybe this fight will change that?

Sean O'Malley 41:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Obviously it's gonna change if everybody remembers. But it's like, there's so many fights and so many KOs. Like in that card, 15 fights, I think we had the most first round stoppages ever.

Sean O'Malley 42:07 Like seven or eight.

Joe Rogan 42:08 It was nuts.

Sean O'Malley 42:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:09 And fucking Ryan Spann.

Sean O'Malley 42:12 (blows raspberry)

Joe Rogan 42:12 Holy shit, dude.

Sean O'Malley 42:13 A jab.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Holy shit, is he good.

Sean O'Malley 42:15 That's a scary dude.

Joe Rogan 42:16 And when he said, "This is the first fight I trained for." Like, what?

Sean O'Malley 42:22 (blows raspberry) Yeah. That's-

Joe Rogan 42:22 What?

Sean O'Malley 42:23 How old's he, Jamie? Let's see, how old?

Narrator 42:25 31.

Sean O'Malley 42:26 31? Damn, you're on top of that shit.

Joe Rogan 42:27 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 42:28 Yeah, 31. I mean that's-

Joe Rogan 42:29 Dude.

Sean O'Malley 42:29 Fuck. That's a scary guy.

Joe Rogan 42:31 That guy is a nightmare.

Sean O'Malley 42:31 Is he ranked?

Joe Rogan 42:32 Right.

Sean O'Malley 42:32 Was that a r-

Joe Rogan 42:33 I mean, it should be now because I think Dominic Reyes was ranked.

Sean O'Malley 42:36 I think Reyes...

Joe Rogan 42:37 I think Dominic was like five or six or something like that.

Sean O'Malley 42:39 I think he's 0 and four.

Joe Rogan 42:41 Those last few fights were rough, dude.

Sean O'Malley 42:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:43 It's, the Jon Jones fight was rough, right? And then he goes right from that to Yuri.

Sean O'Malley 42:49 (blows raspberry)

Joe Rogan 42:49 And Yuri nukes people.

Sean O'Malley 42:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:51 When he kicked his body and left this giant red footprint on his body-

Sean O'Malley 42:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:55 ... I was like, "How fucking hard does that dude hit?"

Sean O'Malley 42:59 Rice fan number- number 10 now.

Joe Rogan 43:01 Number 10 now. Yeah, that's legit, man. There's a few of those guys in that division, man. Nikita Krylov, the way he, uh, took out Gustafsson, I was like, "Holy shit." Didn't... Did something happen to him recently?

Sean O'Malley 43:14 I'm not sure.

Narrator 43:15 He was there.

Joe Rogan 43:15 Yeah. Why do I feel like he got injured?

Narrator 43:21 Not that I recall of.

Sean O'Malley 43:21 That's a scary division right there.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Fucking terrifying.

Sean O'Malley 43:24 Light heavyweight.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Terrifying division. They're all heavyweights.

Sean O'Malley 43:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 Every one of them is a heavyweight. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 43:27 Yeah. Fuck that. I'm so glad I'm not a big guy, like bantamweight, like there's still some scary guys at bantamweight, but...

Joe Rogan 43:33 But you have a great frame for bantamweight though.

Sean O'Malley 43:35 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:35 If you can continue to make 35, that reach is such a- a nice thing to have.

Sean O'Malley 43:40 Yeah. I know Chael always says, "Reach advantage is not an advantage unless you..." Like, I mean, it is.

Joe Rogan 43:45 Well, it's the same.

Sean O'Malley 43:45 Reach advantage is an advantage. I love-

Joe Rogan 43:47 It's an advantage.

Sean O'Malley 43:48 I know, uh-

Joe Rogan 43:48 Look at Jon Jones.

Sean O'Malley 43:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:50 When you have the reach advantage-

Sean O'Malley 43:51 84.

Joe Rogan 43:51 ... and strength, like Jon Jones has reach advantage and ridiculous strength in wrestling.

Sean O'Malley 43:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:57 He's got the best combination of assets. Like distance management, like he doesn't... He might not have the same kind of one-punch power that some of those guys have, but he fucks up everybody.

Sean O'Malley 44:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:08 And his distance management is the best ever. In that division, he's so good at just keeping right away, stabbing at your legs, the elliptical kick or the, um, uh, what's it called?

Sean O'Malley 44:18 Oblique.

Joe Rogan 44:19 Oblique kick.

Sean O'Malley 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:20 And then the sidekick to the knee.

Sean O'Malley 44:22 I love that one.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Elliptical kick. Where's my brain?

Sean O'Malley 44:24 It... Yeah. (laughs) I-

Joe Rogan 44:25 Weed stole that word from me.

Sean O'Malley 44:27 Elliptical kick. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:28 (laughs)

Narrator 44:28 Gus, Gus is out for his next fight, if that's what you were thinking.

Joe Rogan 44:30 Oh, that's what it was.

Narrator 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 That's what it was. Yeah, because Gus was supposed to... That was gonna be his rebound fight.

Sean O'Malley 44:35 Oh, wait, 'cause he retired, right? He was going to come back, Alexander Gustafsson, is that who we're talking about?

Joe Rogan 44:39 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 44:40 He's got a fight.

Sean O'Malley 44:40 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:40 He was going to retire after that last KO, uh, 'cause Krylov just stormed at him in the first round, took him out.

Sean O'Malley 44:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:46 I couldn't believe he fought that way. Like he u- generally fights like pretty reserved, but in that fight he just went do or die. He's out.

Sean O'Malley 44:53 Oh, oh, OSP, fucking OSP von Flue.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Hmm.

Sean O'Malley 44:59 He was fun. I remember his fight against, uh-

Narrator 45:02 I forget who that was.

Sean O'Malley 45:02 Was it Glover that he uppercutted or who was it?

Joe Rogan 45:05 It's an official... What's... Uh, yeah, Glover, he uppercutted Glover.

Sean O'Malley 45:08 That was slick boxing.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Oh my God.

Sean O'Malley 45:10 That whole, like, last 10 seconds-

Joe Rogan 45:11 Oh my God.

Sean O'Malley 45:11 ... of that, slides off.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Video game shit.

Sean O'Malley 45:13 Woo! Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:13 Video game shit.

Sean O'Malley 45:14 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:14 That was Gustafsson in his best.

Sean O'Malley 45:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:16 That and the Jon Jones fight. I remember the Jon Jones fight, the first one, when Jon didn't train.

Sean O'Malley 45:21 (laughs) Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:22 You know, that's- that's how you see the difference 'cause look at the second fight. They have a second fight and Jo- well...

Sean O'Malley 45:26 Didn't he take him down?

Joe Rogan 45:27 But you have to also say this is... The second fight, how... Was that before or after Gustafsson fought Rumble?

Sean O'Malley 45:35 Oh, that's a good question.

Joe Rogan 45:37 Rest in peace, Rumble. Rumble passed away last week.

Sean O'Malley 45:40 I didn't know that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Apparently, uh, he had some form of, uh, I think it was like non-Hodgkin's lymphoma or something along those lines.

Sean O'Malley 45:47 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:48 I don't know if that's public. We should find out if that's public knowledge.

Sean O'Malley 45:51 I think it was. I- I think I read that... I couldn't pronounce the words and it... That sounds like it was.

Joe Rogan 45:55 I shouldn't say it if it wasn't public knowledge though. If it's not public knowledge, we should edit it out. W- you know.

Sean O'Malley 46:00 I'm almost positive I just read that in an article the other day. But yeah, that was, that was great. I was on the UFC-

Joe Rogan 46:04 38 years old, man.

Sean O'Malley 46:05 Yeah. I did the UFC quintet with him. It was me, Clay Guida, him, Gilbert Burns, uh, Anthony Smith. But yeah, he was... That was, I think, my only really interaction with them.

Joe Rogan 46:15 Dude.

Sean O'Malley 46:15 Fucking good dude.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Yeah. Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a rare immune disorder called, uh, H- uh, HLH. Yeah. Horrible.

Sean O'Malley 46:25 38.

Joe Rogan 46:26 Such a nice guy. And the biggest middle... The biggest welterweight that's ever walked the face of the Earth.

Sean O'Malley 46:31 Welterweight. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:32 When he was a welterweight.

Sean O'Malley 46:33 I know, that's fun.

Joe Rogan 46:34 Dude, I saw him in between fights once and I go, "Anthony, how big are you?" And he goes, "230 pounds." (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 46:41 230? What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 46:43 He walked in looking like a Greek god. He was so gigantic.

Sean O'Malley 46:48 And just ripped.

Joe Rogan 46:48 I'm like, he s- he wasn't fat at all.

Sean O'Malley 46:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Like, how do you get that little? How do you make 170? He was gigantic.

Sean O'Malley 46:55 He had... He always had issues making 170 though, right? Like he missed it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:57 Oh, yeah. Well, he missed it a bunch of times and then he fought Vitor at 85. And Rumble was like this guy that you never knew what you were gonna get. If- if he was like ready to go and in shape and- and- and prepared...

Sean O'Malley 47:15 Jesus. Oh, he's good.

Joe Rogan 47:17 ... he could be one of the most dangerous guys of all time.

Sean O'Malley 47:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 But he was kind of, uh, you know, at least early on his career, inconsistent until he moved up in weight.

Sean O'Malley 47:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Then when he moved up in weight, look what he did in the light heavyweight division. And I maintain that most of what was holding him back was just the dread of making that weight.

Sean O'Malley 47:33 Dude.

Joe Rogan 47:33 Just dread.

Sean O'Malley 47:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:34 The guy goes up two weight classes and is knocking out everybody with one punch at light heavyweight.

Sean O'Malley 47:40 Yeah. 170 should have never been.

Joe Rogan 47:41 Imagine that. Inside of his career he's fighting 35 pounds up and destroying people. Knocking out Glover with one punch. Knocks out Gustafsson. Bro, he kno- he fucked everybody up except DC.

Sean O'Malley 47:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 DC just uses wrestling.

Sean O'Malley 47:58 He fought DC twice, right?

Joe Rogan 47:59 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 48:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 48:00 God, I bet DC was like, "Goddamn it, I don't want to fight this motherfucker again, dude."

Joe Rogan 48:03 (laughs) He's so dangerous.

Sean O'Malley 48:05 Gosh.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Rumble is so dangerous.

Sean O'Malley 48:07 That's a scary... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 He was so dangerous. He had power that was br- I remember when he hit Glover, I was like, "Oh."

Sean O'Malley 48:14 Didn't his tooth go flying? Was that Glover's tooth or...

Joe Rogan 48:16 Um, he made somebody's tooth go flying.

Sean O'Malley 48:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 I don't know if it was Glover's.

Sean O'Malley 48:20 It was that uppercut.

Joe Rogan 48:21 God damn, he was a powerhouse.

Sean O'Malley 48:23 Yeah. Possessing that fucking power in his hands.

Joe Rogan 48:26 (breathing)

Sean O'Malley 48:26 'Cause he doesn't need to be like...

Joe Rogan 48:28 Oh, it is his- it is Glover's tooth.

Sean O'Malley 48:29 Oh, yeah. 'Cause he doesn't need to really be accurate either. He can hit you like anywhere in the head and that's night-night.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Bro, he could hit your shoulders and you'd be dizzy.

Sean O'Malley 48:36 You might get knocked out.

Joe Rogan 48:37 It's crazy he just had that preposterous power.

Sean O'Malley 48:41 Yeah, that... Oof.

Joe Rogan 48:42 Watch this uppercut.

Sean O'Malley 48:44 Dink. Oh, that was like...

Joe Rogan 48:46 Crazy.

Sean O'Malley 48:47 Just like a thud.

Joe Rogan 48:48 That's Rumble, man.

Sean O'Malley 48:49 Boom.

Joe Rogan 48:49 That's why everybody was scared of Rumble.

Sean O'Malley 48:51 His tooth. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:54 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 48:54 Yeah. Oh, oh. At least he gets a takedown.

Joe Rogan 48:56 He woke up, he woke up.

Sean O'Malley 48:57 Two points.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Didn't know what the fuck happened.

Sean O'Malley 48:59 No one counted my takedown on Peter two points. I think that was two. That little takedown at the end of the first.

Joe Rogan 49:03 I think it was a takedown. Did his knees go to the ground?

Sean O'Malley 49:06 Yeah. He took his back.

Joe Rogan 49:07 DC gets mad when they don't give up takedowns. Like it starts with-

Sean O'Malley 49:09 Unless it's me.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Kobe Covington... Oh, unless it's you. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 49:12 I don't care.

Joe Rogan 49:12 When Kobe Covington fought, uh, Co-

Sean O'Malley 49:14 Kamaru.

Joe Rogan 49:14 Kamaru, he took him down.

Sean O'Malley 49:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:15 And DC was like, "That's two!"

Sean O'Malley 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 "That's two!"You gotta give it to him.

Sean O'Malley 49:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:20 His takedowns.

Sean O'Malley 49:21 I know.

Joe Rogan 49:21 So until, uh, Leon took him down the first round, which was fucking wild.

Sean O'Malley 49:25 Mounted, right on the mount.

Joe Rogan 49:26 Wild. Mounted him.

Sean O'Malley 49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Yeah. No one had a- actually officially taken down Kamaru.

Sean O'Malley 49:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:32 That fight was insane.

Sean O'Malley 49:33 Dude, that wa- that was insane. And then Kamaru coming on here after and just fucking champ.

Joe Rogan 49:38 Pure class.

Sean O'Malley 49:38 Humble champ.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Pure class.

Sean O'Malley 49:40 Like-

Joe Rogan 49:40 Pure class.

Sean O'Malley 49:41 ... good outlook on it. It's like-

Joe Rogan 49:42 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 49:42 I mean, it was, he was winning the fight, got caught with a fucking head kick from one of the best guys in the world. It's-

Joe Rogan 49:46 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 49:46 ... it is what it is.

Joe Rogan 49:47 That's the game you play.

Sean O'Malley 49:48 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 49:49 That was crazy though.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Yeah. It was crazy.

Sean O'Malley 49:50 And then Izzy losing in the fifth too. Bo- both pound for pound guys.

Joe Rogan 49:54 A- and right when, right when it was about to happen, Jon Anik actually set it up. He said about, like, that, you know, he could coast here, but that's not what he's made of.

Sean O'Malley 50:08 For, uh, Kamaru?

Joe Rogan 50:09 I think it was like that he could... No. I think it was, like, not quitting. They, I think he was talking about Leon. See if you can find it.

Sean O'Malley 50:16 That was-

Joe Rogan 50:16 'Cause it was like, it was, uh... I don't wanna fuck it up. I already fucked it up. But it was like...

Sean O'Malley 50:20 No.

Joe Rogan 50:21 There was a quote that he said right before Leon knocked him out. It was like, he was kind of setting up that Leon's not gonna quit. Yeah, prophetic call and the greatest knockout call in UFC history. Yeah, there it is. L- we'll hear it here. Jon Anik's the best of all time.

Sean O'Malley 50:36 He's so fucking good.

Joe Rogan 50:37 He's the best.

Narrator 50:37 Now, as his hand gets raised, he's going to win. He's gonna get the gas station.

Sean O'Malley 50:40 Minute 12. Oh, God.

Narrator 50:42 He may have resigned himself to the fact that he's gonna lose. And one of the things I've said, Dean feels like that's the game.

Sean O'Malley 50:47 You see how he's feinting that left, that left leg? Trying to get a reaction out of him?

Narrator 50:52 That is not the cloth from which he was cut and that is a different story.

Sean O'Malley 50:52 Nothing, no reaction.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Boom. That is not the cloth from which he was cut. Bam. And then the knockout. It's the perfect call. It's the greatest call ever.

Sean O'Malley 51:00 That was so beautiful.

Joe Rogan 51:01 But that is not the cloth from which he is cut, and then a perfect head kick. Bro, that's Shakespeare.

Sean O'Malley 51:07 Yeah, that's beautiful.

Joe Rogan 51:08 That's Shakespeare.

Sean O'Malley 51:09 That is fucking-

Joe Rogan 51:10 Jon Anik is a fucking man.

Sean O'Malley 51:10 That goose- that gave me goosebumps.

Narrator 51:12 That is not the cloth from which he is cut.

Joe Rogan 51:14 The cut?

Narrator 51:15 I mean that is a different story.

Sean O'Malley 51:15 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 51:16 It's the greatest call of all time.

Sean O'Malley 51:18 Oh.

Joe Rogan 51:18 It's the greatest call of all time.

Sean O'Malley 51:20 Yeah, Jon Anik's a legend, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:21 It d- but that's the greatest call of all time right there.

Sean O'Malley 51:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 I mean, i- i- it doesn't get any better. Every now and then, like, the words and the moment line up and you're like, "That's the greatest call."

Sean O'Malley 51:31 That's goosebumps.

Joe Rogan 51:32 One of the wildest head kick knockouts. I think the most important head kick knockout ever.

Sean O'Malley 51:36 Ever.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Ever.

Sean O'Malley 51:37 Yeah, has to be. Pound for pound.

Joe Rogan 51:38 And the, the most shocking where, where he, he just lands it with a minute to go in the fight, with a fight where he's clearly losing. Holy shit.

Sean O'Malley 51:47 And then it's just pound for pound, head shot, dead.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 51:49 I was like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 51:51 Oh, shit. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 51:51 Uh, it was crazy, too, 'cause I was in Utah at Elevation. Kamaru trains in Denver at Elevation. And, uh, Leon, to go five rounds, was getting grappled, and to be able to pull that off smooth still was so fucking impressive.

Joe Rogan 52:05 He's so technical, man.

Sean O'Malley 52:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:07 On his feet. He's so good. There's some video of him hitting the pads and it makes you want to quit karate.

Sean O'Malley 52:13 Really?

Joe Rogan 52:13 Watch this motherfucker hit the pads. 'Cause he... Find, like, Leon Edwards hitting the pads.

Sean O'Malley 52:18 I've never seen him, like, do the elbows and shit.

Joe Rogan 52:20 Dude, he's so smooth and powerful, man.

Sean O'Malley 52:23 Yeah, I still... Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 52:25 Give me some volume on this.

Sean O'Malley 52:26 He's a big guy, too.

Narrator 52:29 One, two, three, four. Come on.

Sean O'Malley 52:33 Whoo.

Narrator 52:33 One, two, three, four. Come on.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Bro.

Narrator 52:33 One, two, three, four. Come on.

Sean O'Malley 52:33 Two, two, two, two.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Bro, that is fucking clean.

Sean O'Malley 52:36 Speed and power mixed right there.

Joe Rogan 52:37 Clean technique, too. It's like p- total efficiency in the way he's delivering that kick. Every move, as he steps in with those elbows.

Narrator 52:47 One, two. Boom, boom.

Joe Rogan 52:48 I mean...

Sean O'Malley 52:49 That's gonna be a massive, yeah, massive rematch. I know-

Joe Rogan 52:52 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 52:52 That's in, is that the one that's in... No, that's in London. That's right.

Joe Rogan 52:55 And what Leon loves, too, is that he did all of this out of his gym in England.

Sean O'Malley 53:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:01 He didn't have to move to America and join ATT or join one of the big gyms.

Sean O'Malley 53:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:08 He did it out of his town.

Sean O'Malley 53:11 That's fucking impressive.

Joe Rogan 53:12 That's fucking impressive.

Sean O'Malley 53:13 I couldn't done that in Montana. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:16 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 53:16 I couldn't done that in Montana.

Joe Rogan 53:17 Bro, you'd be able...

Sean O'Malley 53:18 Uh.

Joe Rogan 53:18 But look at this, some guys that could pull that off somehow or another.

Sean O'Malley 53:22 Yeah. No, it's impressive. But there's some... Yeah, sometimes you just gotta fucking leave. So those kids listening to this right now at a shitty gym, you gotta leave. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:30 Sometimes you have to leave.

Sean O'Malley 53:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Pretty much everyone, like Jon Jones had to leave.

Sean O'Malley 53:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:34 A lot of guys have stories that, you know, they, they leave. Uh, Joaquin Buckley was here w- uh, last week.

Sean O'Malley 53:39 Yep. Oh, that's right.

Joe Rogan 53:39 He said he had to leave, too.

Sean O'Malley 53:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:41 He had an original gym he started out with and he's like, "All right, guy."

Sean O'Malley 53:44 Y- you can only get so good if someone's... like a coach is only at a certain level, it's like...

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 53:48 And y- you, the training partners and stuff, so yeah, going to a big gym is... You know. Maybe not a big gym, but just a gym with, with some good, uh, some decent coaches. But yeah, you gotta, for the most part, you gotta look for something better.

Joe Rogan 54:02 Do you think that there's, uh, any benefit to having, uh, a smaller environment where the coaches are really paying attention to you versus a large environment where you're at, like, an ATT or something like that? They got hundreds of fighters, right?

Sean O'Malley 54:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Like, where you kind of get lost in the mix?

Sean O'Malley 54:19 Dude, my, my last f- probably four or five years, like I do all my sparring at the MMA Lab. They have a fucking great team over there. Like, they have a great, um, schedule. Their, their S- Monday through Saturday schedule's great. But for me, once I started getting into the UFC, I was like, "I need that, that one-on-one. I need my own," my personal strength and conditioning coach, Brandon Harris, "I need my own guy." Um, jiu-jitsu coach, Augusto Mendes, uh, won ADCC in, I think, 2019 in my weight class. Best grappler in the world. And then Tim's the, the kind of the head coach. Holds mids, d- does, sets up the sparring. So I still go to the lab to spar, but I do, I, I bounce around and I have, it's, I have my... I, it's more of a boxing approach. It's like-

Joe Rogan 55:00 Hmm.

Sean O'Malley 55:00 ... you got the whole team dialed in, focused on me. And I needed that.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Which is like your mindset, right? Like all these things improve with time, right?

Sean O'Malley 55:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:08 And y- and now you really got it totally dialed in.

Sean O'Malley 55:10 Yeah. It's crazy to think about all the things that just worked out, like how I met Tim, then I moved to Arizona. And then I meet, uh, Brandon Harris for the strength and conditioning. And that, that completely changed my, my career. I wasn't lifting, and if I was lifting, I wasn't lifting properly. And it's not even lifting to just get super strong, but just to not get injured. Just building-

Joe Rogan 55:28 Right.

Sean O'Malley 55:28 ... that muscle around those joints and just build this-... not g- I haven't gotten seriously injured since I started working with Brandon, and I, I think that's a huge reason why, is just from lifting, lifting correctly. Um, so meeting him-

Joe Rogan 55:41 Like what kind of, uh, exercises does he have you doing?

Sean O'Malley 55:43 Um, he, it's not like, uh... (sighs) the, the, the nice thing about it is I don't have to think about it. I know I go in there and I just put all my trust in him. Here's my, here's my, here's my strength. And, uh, c- most of the conditioning is the sparring, is the mitts, is the grappling, and then I do like treadmill sprints and shit too. But the thing with him is I don't go in there, and his main goal isn't to just fuck me up. It's not make me sore, it's not... He, he, he does what I, what I'm not getting in, in the gym. So we'll do some, some stuff with like lower heart rate stuff. And I know you had someone on here talking about th- how important that is.

Joe Rogan 56:21 Mm-hmm.

Sean O'Malley 56:22 Th- just for longevity but in, just for getting in shape too, having like the, the zone two workouts for, for 45 minutes and, and stuff like that. But as far as lifting, we'll do the dead lifts and, and the, the bench press, and we'll do normal lifts just in, in perfect technique. I'm not hurting my back. I'm not trying to lift way too much. Um-

Joe Rogan 56:43 Are you doing like dead lifts, squats, uh, clean and press?

Sean O'Malley 56:47 I don't really do squats-

Joe Rogan 56:48 What kinds of stuff are you doing?

Sean O'Malley 56:48 ... no clean and press, dead lifts. Um, we'll do, we'll do... Ah, I fucking feel like an idiot thinking about what lifts we do right now. Uh-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Wait, so you're doing... But is his, uh, is a- is his approach like higher repetitions with lighter weight? Like how does it-

Sean O'Malley 57:00 Depending on where we're at in camp, like, uh, it changes from... We'll, we'll do like four weeks th- this, four weeks of this, four weeks of this, and like further out we'll do power, uh, really building that strength. Especially like I'm gonna go fight a guy like Aljo or Henry, like I'm gonna be fucking grappling. I need to be strong. I need to be, be able to l- d- uh, dead lift and jack up some underhooks and be able to... So I'm gonna focus on-

Joe Rogan 57:23 Right.

Sean O'Malley 57:23 ... d- depends. Like if I'm... When I was fighting Peter, I, I didn't really plan on grappling too much. I was f- planning on being way faster on my feet, not really lifting as much, being a little bit lighter. Y- so it depends on who, who we're fighting. I'm gonna fight one of these guys next and I wanna be strong. I wanna f- you know, m- make sure we're hitting those dead lifts and, and being really fucking strong. Um, but, so yeah, it depends. And if we do like a 12-week fight camp, f- the first four weeks will be whatever, and then the next four weeks, and then the next four weeks. Like I don't re- fuck, I don't even really pay attention. I just go in, trust him, do it, and fucking yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Do you, um, anticipate that Henry is gonna jump back into the mix? Is that... You think that's real? Do you think it's official?

Sean O'Malley 58:02 It's a great question. I c- I've, I've been saying no for a long time, but I do think, you know, the closer it gets, I, I think he is.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Yeah.

Sean O'Malley 58:09 I, I think he's gonna come back. I know he, he, two-time world champ, Olympic gold medalist, and uh-

Joe Rogan 58:14 If he's gonna come back, he's gotta come back soon.

Sean O'Malley 58:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Like what is he now? 35 maybe?

Sean O'Malley 58:19 It's a good question. Um...

Joe Rogan 58:21 How old is Henry Cejudo? This is like a h- what age is he podcast?

Sean O'Malley 58:24 Yeah, in a p- uh, he, yeah, so he-

Joe Rogan 58:26 He's 35?

Narrator 58:26 I turned 36 in like two months.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Oh yeah, okay.

Sean O'Malley 58:28 Oh, wow. So he's got it now.

Joe Rogan 58:29 Yeah, he's got it now. At that age, in that weight class, it gets tough. There's some outliers, right? Like Mighty Mouse seems to be an outlier. He's as good as he's ever been.

Sean O'Malley 58:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 It's wild. You know? And I've been watching him over in ONE: FC.

Sean O'Malley 58:41 Psh. I watched that last night, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:42 He's as good as he's ever been.

Sean O'Malley 58:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:43 He's a wizard.

Sean O'Malley 58:45 But Henry versus Aljo I think is, i- if I had to guess, if it, if that's gonna happen, it's gonna happen early next year. Um...

Joe Rogan 58:52 I wonder if that... I mean, how much do you think, uh, C- Cejudo is super talented.

Sean O'Malley 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Obviously, um, two division world champion. But how much does that sell? Is that a big fight?

Sean O'Malley 59:06 For Aljo or me?

Joe Rogan 59:08 For anybody.

Sean O'Malley 59:09 Um, to s-

Joe Rogan 59:10 Like it's still-

Sean O'Malley 59:10 It should be, but it's not because it's Henry and for whatever reason, some people are fucking likable, some people are, you know, superstars, and he's just not. I mean, it's not... I don't wanna... I'm not acting like I'm talking shit. He's just really not a superstar. He's a two-time world champion and he's got like a less than 1 million followers on Instagram, which is crazy. Two-time world-

Joe Rogan 59:28 Two-time crazy.

Sean O'Malley 59:28 Two-time world champ.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah, yeah.

Sean O'Malley 59:29 That's like the... That was Conor's whole thing.

Joe Rogan 59:31 He has s-

Sean O'Malley 59:31 That's why he was so fucking massive.

Joe Rogan 59:33 I'm not saying this is a diss. I'm a Henry Cejudo fan. 'Cause I never understood why Mighty Mouse didn't get famous.

Sean O'Malley 59:37 Nice to meet you. I never met a fucking-

Joe Rogan 59:38 Ta-da!

Sean O'Malley 59:38 ... Henry Cejudo fan. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:40 I'm a fan of the way he fights.

Sean O'Malley 59:41 He's very, he's very skilled-

Joe Rogan 59:43 Come on, man.

Sean O'Malley 59:43 ... very skilled.

Joe Rogan 59:43 The way he took out Dominick.

Sean O'Malley 59:44 Very skilled.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Like he's a fucking animal, dude.

Sean O'Malley 59:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:46 The way he took out TJ.

Sean O'Malley 59:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:47 Henry Cejudo's a beast.

Sean O'Malley 59:49 He is a beast.

Joe Rogan 59:50 He's a beast. I know, uh, he talks a lot of shit, but I got-

Sean O'Malley 59:53 And it's that good shit, that's the thing.

Joe Rogan 59:54 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 59:55 Like you c- you can talk shit as long as it's good. But him versus Aljo-

Joe Rogan 59:58 Does that thing un... Here, if you do like this-

Sean O'Malley 59:59 No, I think it's good.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 ... it'll tighten it up.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:00 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 This, this button right here. It's wiggling around, that's why you're having a problem with it down here.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:05 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 There we go. Right there. There you go.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:06 Um, h- um, H- uh, Henry versus Aljo. I think it's a pretty big fight though. I mean, it's not, it's not-

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 It's a very big fight.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:10 ... it's not gonna do crazy numbers. It's not gonna be a main event. If I-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 But-

Sean O'Malley 1:00:13 ... had to guess, it would be a co-main.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 But it's a difficult fight and it might not be a big fight.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Right?

Sean O'Malley 1:00:19 Yeah. That, that sucks. (laughs) Which sucks.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Which sucks.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:21 But fuck, it sucks for, for them.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 It's kind of crazy because you could lose to Henry.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:24 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Henry's a monster wrestler.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 And Aljo's strength is com- pl- he, you know, he's clearly well-rounded, but-

Sean O'Malley 1:00:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 ... his strength is his grappling.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:31 God, that... See, it's an interesting fight.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Very, very.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:34 And it-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Very, very.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:34 And I would... Yeah, I, I bet me versus Aljo would be a main event. I think Henry versus Aljo would be a co-main event on a card.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Oh, shots fired.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:42 Pff, pff.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Shots fired, Henry.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:43 But I, and, and I think that's just-

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 He's gonna have a crown on in his next video on Instagram.

Sean O'Malley 1:00:47 Oh, god.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 He's gonna be talking shit about you. (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 1:00:49 Yeah. G- 75 likes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 1:00:51 I've looked at his Instagram. It's pathetic. I was like, "What the fuck? How does he have this less of likes?" Um-

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 It's unfortunate that people don't appreciate what he's accomplished. It's like, uh, I, the, the flyweight class just never got to shine.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 It's-

Sean O'Malley 1:01:03 I mean, it still, still doesn't really-

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Still doesn't get to shine.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 Brandon Moreno and Deiveson Figueiredo III is gonna be fucking insane.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:09 Four.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 That's right.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:09 There's four.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 That's right. Four.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:11 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Oh my God.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:13 Yeah, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Bro, Kai Kara-France.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 I mean, that division's filled with killers, filled with killers.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:18 But the reason, the reason Henry left was, was money. He wanted more money and the UFC wasn't gonna pay him more money. They're like, "You're... This is what we're gonna pay you, you either fight or not." And he's... That's why he retired. And he thought retiring, he would, he would... They would want him back, and they just haven't. So now he's, you know, this old and he's like, "Well, fuck. Okay, I'll come back."

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Well, I think he's still a competitor too.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:38 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 We w- we could be cynical about it all day long, but that guy is a-... Olympic gold medalist and two-division UFC champion.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:46 Consid- considerably or the number one combat... I saw someone say Alex Pereira is the number one combat sports athlete, but it's hard to put him above Henry when he's won the, you know, Olympic gold.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Yeah. He won the gold medal in the Olympics.

Sean O'Malley 1:01:56 And two-time world champ.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 However, P- Pereira, when he's fighting in Glory, he's fighting elite professionals.

Sean O'Malley 1:02:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 You know, whereas Henry is wrestling amateurs. There's not... I wonder if they had a professional level of grappling if the, the level would be even better than it is right now. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, if there was, like, millions of dollars to be made.

Sean O'Malley 1:02:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Like, if b- if gr- if wrestling was like NBA, like it was that big, which is totally conceivable.

Sean O'Malley 1:02:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Wrestling is fucking exciting. You watch two assassins go after each other-

Sean O'Malley 1:02:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 ... and dive on legs and scrambles. It's very exciting. Why isn't that a huge thing? And if it was a huge thing, and these guys could make millions, I wonder if the level would go up.

Sean O'Malley 1:02:41 Yeah. I would assume so.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 'Cause think about how high the level is already. But if it was, like, a, a real professional sport all around the world.

Sean O'Malley 1:02:51 Yeah, that's a good question. Probably. I mean, I'm sure-

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 I wonder.

Sean O'Malley 1:02:53 ... money makes, money makes people happy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 1:02:55 It makes them want to fucking go after it, so yeah, probably.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Well, it does, but that makes wrestling even more impressive. 'Cause other than, like, guys like Jordan Burroughs who makes a considerably... He makes a considerable amount of money doing events-

Sean O'Malley 1:03:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 ... and competing. He makes money. But, uh, for most guys it's a fucking tough road to be a wrestler.

Sean O'Malley 1:03:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 You might get a coaching job. But if you get a coaching job, like, uh, that was what kept, um... That was Mark Schultz. Mark Schultz, who was the brother of the guy who got murdered by John du Pont in that movie.

Sean O'Malley 1:03:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 What was that movie called again?

Narrator 1:03:31 Fox.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 Foxcatcher?

Sean O'Malley 1:03:33 Foxcatcher, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Foxcatcher, Foxcatcher. The movie's kind of like, they, they play a lot of, uh... They take a lot of liberties with the storyline, like clear.

Sean O'Malley 1:03:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Um, but in the story in the movie, Mark Schultz, uh, fights some Russian in a cage fight. But in real life he fought Big Daddy Goodridge.

Sean O'Malley 1:03:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 So Mark Schultz, who was a fucking cream of the crop, world champion wrestler, just took Big Daddy Goodridge down at will. Just mounted him, beaten him up, but he never fought in MMA again because he was coaching. I think he was coaching for Baylor. Brigham Young, maybe Brigham. Um, uh, he was coaching for some, uh, college. And the college said, "If you want to retain your job as a coach, you cannot fight in a fucking cage with bare-knuckle headbutting people-"

Sean O'Malley 1:04:21 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 "... on the weekend."

Sean O'Malley 1:04:22 Yeah, no. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 (laughs)

Sean O'Malley 1:04:23 That's fair, but come on. (laughs) Don't show up Monday retarded.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 But I mean that's the problem with guys who were wrestlers. It's like you got to a point where you got a job, then you got to s-... The only real competition back then for money was, uh, MMA. And there was guys that, like, jumped in with no submission training, no w-... They didn't know what they were doing.

Sean O'Malley 1:04:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 Remember when, um, um, Anson Inoue tapped Royce Alger? Do you remember that?

Sean O'Malley 1:04:49 Hell no.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 You don't remember that?

Sean O'Malley 1:04:50 I don't even know who those guys are.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Dude, you don't know who Anson is?

Sean O'Malley 1:04:53 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Oh my God, Anson's a legend. Anson's one of the toughest guys that's ever lived.

Sean O'Malley 1:04:58 Old school UFC?

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 Old school UFC, old school Pride. He fought wars in Pride. War. He had a war with Frank Shamrock.

Sean O'Malley 1:05:08 This dude-

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 He was like... He was to the death.

Sean O'Malley 1:05:10 Oh, shit. What a name.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 W- yeah. His, uh, his nickname was Yamato-Demachi, which is... I th- I don't wanna fuck up the... I think it's... I don't wanna fuck up the translation.

Sean O'Malley 1:05:19 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 But I think, uh, uh-

Sean O'Malley 1:05:22 It's a big guy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Roughly... I think roughly it, it has something to do with, like, fighter spirit. What is... Find out what Yamato-Demachi means. What's the actual translation of it?

Sean O'Malley 1:05:33 12 and 8. He's fought everybody, huh? Or anybody.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 What does it say? Cultural values. What is it? What is the, um, definition? Um, Japanese heart mind. It's a Japanese language term for the cultural values. Well, they would use it in a, like a warrior term, though.

Narrator 1:05:55 Spirit.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 Spirit cultural values, as opposed to cultural values of foreign nature, nations. Spirit. Yamato spirit.

Narrator 1:06:05 Object.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 Anyway.

Sean O'Malley 1:06:05 I wonder what those dudes were making back in the, back in the day money-wise.

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 One day, me and Eddie Bravo and this dude Cabbage. Do you remember Cabbage?

Sean O'Malley 1:06:12 No.

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Cabbage was another guy who fought in the early days of the UFC. One of the