JRE MMA Show #136 with Jamahal Hill

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Joe Rogan 0:12 We're up. What's up, champ?

Jamahal Hill 0:14 What's going on, brother?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Pleasure to do this. Pleasure to have you in here, man.

Jamahal Hill 0:17 Yeah, thank you for having me, man. I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 0:19 That was a phenomenal performance in Brazil against Glover Teixeira in his hometown. Last minute, like, I mean, how much time did you have to prep for that?

Jamahal Hill 0:30 Uh, I had about six weeks.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Oh, you did have six weeks.

Jamahal Hill 0:32 Yeah, six weeks.

Joe Rogan 0:33 But it was-

Jamahal Hill 0:33 Well-

Joe Rogan 0:34 ... bla- but you knew that it was a three ... it was supposed to be three rounds, and then they changed it to the title for five rounds, right?

Jamahal Hill 0:41 No.

Joe Rogan 0:41 No. So, they-

Jamahal Hill 0:42 It was-

Joe Rogan 0:42 ... they-

Jamahal Hill 0:42 It was the title right away.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Oh, that was right after Ankalaev and Jan Blachowicz.

Jamahal Hill 0:46 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 0:46 So, right from there-

Jamahal Hill 0:46 Like, they legitimately called me while they were still ...

Joe Rogan 0:49 Wow.

Jamahal Hill 0:50 Yeah, while they were still in the cage.

Joe Rogan 0:52 If you wanted a full camp for a five-round fight, though, what would you, what would you prefer? Like, how much time do you really need?

Jamahal Hill 0:58 Uh, I'd prefer maybe, uh, like, eight weeks. Eight to about eight to 10 weeks.

Joe Rogan 1:03 So, slightly abbreviated, but t- your per- f- performance was phenomenal, man. I mean, it was ... it was amazing.

Jamahal Hill 1:09 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:09 To see you pick apart Glover like that, and to do so well on the ground too, I mean, tha- that was a big victory.

Jamahal Hill 1:17 Yeah, I mean, uh, a lot of people thought that I couldn't do it. I kind of ... no, I couldn't ... well, that was just a general assumption, was that I couldn't, I couldn't grapple on the ground and things like that when that's definitely-

Joe Rogan 1:28 But you getting that general assumption-

Jamahal Hill 1:30 ... a phase.

Joe Rogan 1:30 ... from who, though? People online?

Jamahal Hill 1:32 Just, uh, picks. Like, you know what I mean? Just, like, people who-

Joe Rogan 1:35 Oh.

Jamahal Hill 1:35 ... like that, like, like an analyst. Then, like, any, like, the fighters or whatever that I talk to, like, they, they be like, oh, like, they always say, it's always something that they say. Even guys in the division, you know, they be like, "Oh, he's just a boxer, you know. I don't know if he can really wrestle, or if he could really ... has like kicks or anything like that." Yeah, they were questioning the kicks too, you know, so it's just ...

Joe Rogan 1:54 That's some of the biggest moments in the fight.

Jamahal Hill 1:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:55 That left high kick of yours.

Jamahal Hill 1:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah. Well, people are gonna question you until they can't anymore.

Jamahal Hill 2:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:01 That's th- how it goes, you know? There's always-

Jamahal Hill 2:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03 ... "Ah, I don't know about this guy," and then all of a sudden he's the best ever. Y- you never know.

Jamahal Hill 2:07 Right, and that's why I'm ... that's why I'm just hungry for, you know what I mean, for names, man. I'm hungry for the next challenge.

Joe Rogan 2:13 What did it feel like when they strapped that thing around your waist?

Jamahal Hill 2:17 Man, it's just ... It's a hard thing to describe. It was just like, like, almost like unreal, like almost like living, like almost like, like in a dream, like-

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 2:27 ... one of the dreams that I've had. You know, and it was just like ... I don't know. It was just crazy, just the weight of everything that I did and been through and everything was just ... It was a lot.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Yeah, it seemed like a lot. I mean, it's a lot for everybody. I mean, that's a moment that very few human beings will ever achieve. There y- there's, there's it right now.

Jamahal Hill 2:45 Yeah, that was ... He ... Like, that's when he told me that he was about to retire.

Joe Rogan 2:50 I mean, it's-

Jamahal Hill 2:51 And ...

Joe Rogan 2:51 ... amazing how long that dude has hung in there.

Jamahal Hill 2:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 He was the Boogeyman for six years, you know. For six years, Glover lived in Brazil-

Jamahal Hill 2:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:58 ... and he couldn't get a visa. And this was like e- in the early days, like when Chuck Liddell was the UFC light heavyweight champion. That's how far back Glover goes.

Jamahal Hill 3:07 Right. I heard something about like he went, he went pro in 2001? 2000?

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah. Crazy, right? Crazy.

Jamahal Hill 3:15 Yeah, that's wild.

Joe Rogan 3:16 22 years later, and then-

Jamahal Hill 3:19 And still fighting for the world championship.

Joe Rogan 3:21 And, you know, having ... That fight with Jiri Prochazka where he lost the title, I mean, that was a crazy close fight-

Jamahal Hill 3:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:26 ... until he got caught in that choke. He was ahead.

Jamahal Hill 3:29 I think he was.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Yeah, he was ahead in that fight.

Jamahal Hill 3:32 I believe he was.

Joe Rogan 3:33 That video that you made-

Jamahal Hill 3:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:35 ... to Jiri was hilarious. We played it on the podcast. (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 3:38 Yeah, man. You can't, you can't let it slide, but like-

Joe Rogan 3:40 "That's what she said." (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 3:43 "That's what she said." That was the first thing that came to my head whenever he said it. (laughs) "I'm coming" (laughs) Now, for ... Now, I can't-

Joe Rogan 3:49 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 3:51 Like, bro, it's, it's ... He's ruined the, he's ruined the phrase for me now-

Joe Rogan 3:53 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 3:53 ... 'cause now I can't say it at all, no matter what. Somebody can call me and be like, "Oh, I'm coming." Like, goddamn.

Joe Rogan 3:58 (laughs) I'm coming.

Jamahal Hill 3:59 Like, just ...

Joe Rogan 4:01 He's an odd duck.

Jamahal Hill 4:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:03 That dude's an odd duck. He's strange. He's very-

Jamahal Hill 4:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:06 ... very different. Do you see-

Jamahal Hill 4:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 ... like when he was fighting Glover, and Glover was beating him up? He was like, "Good job, good job."

Jamahal Hill 4:11 Yeah, like, tapping him on the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:13 I thought it ... It was like, well, you can't do that, man. It looks like-

Jamahal Hill 4:15 Yeah, it looks like-

Joe Rogan 4:15 ... you're tapping.

Jamahal Hill 4:15 ... he's tapping.

Joe Rogan 4:16 Like, what are you doing? He's like, "Good job, good job."

Jamahal Hill 4:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:18 He's, but he's saying "good job" and I, I think it ... Was, was it Marc Goddard who was the referee? I think it was Marc Goddard. Whoever it was was warning him. It was like, "Hey, don't fucking slapping him and say good job. You can't do that." Just-

Jamahal Hill 4:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:31 ... what a weird thing to do. Guy's on top of you, raining blows down you, like, "Good job, good job."

Jamahal Hill 4:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Like ...

Jamahal Hill 4:38 Yeah, bro, I don't, I don't know. F- only thing I can think would be possibly it could be, like, just, like, a, a tactic to try to make it seem like, oh, like, no matter what you're wasting your time-

Joe Rogan 4:48 Right.

Jamahal Hill 4:48 ... type thing. Like, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 4:49 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 4:49 I try to, like, get in their head, 'cause I think even, like, with the whole Samurai thing, like, he wants to play ... He want- obviously he wants to, wants to ... this image to be beli- be believed of him-

Joe Rogan 4:59 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 4:59 ... and things like that. But, you know, I'd just seen him when I was at the PI a couple days ago, and he's, he's a nice dude, you know. He's ... He walked up, he's like, "Nice to meet you," things like that. And then, like, I, uh, came back the next day. I was going into PT and he was working. He's like, he's like, "I'm, I'm working on it," you know what I mean? "I'm working, trying," you know? I go like, "Take your time. Do your thing. I want you to-"

Joe Rogan 5:17 He's already had the shoulder surgery, right?

Jamahal Hill 5:19 Uh, I don't know. I would assume if he's already trying to rehab it.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Yeah, I'm sure he has, 'cause apparently his shoulder was the worst shoulder they'd ever seen. The UFC doctors-

Jamahal Hill 5:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 ... had never seen a shoulder that fucked up before. Do you know what happened to him?

Jamahal Hill 5:30 No.

Joe Rogan 5:31 His shoulder went out of socket in training camp, and they tried to put it back in.

Jamahal Hill 5:35 Put it ... Oh, yeah. I remember that.

Joe Rogan 5:35 And these dudes are yanking on it, these just gym dudes yanking on it, and they fucked it up way worse.

Jamahal Hill 5:41 Yeah, that's never a good idea. I don't-

Joe Rogan 5:43 Yeah, go to the fucking doctor, man. You're a-

Jamahal Hill 5:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:46 You're a world champion.

Jamahal Hill 5:47 World champion.

Joe Rogan 5:48 And he had to give up his title like that. Well, it's interesting that he did decide to give up his title. He could've held onto it-

Jamahal Hill 5:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:53 ... and he could've had an interim title, and you could be fighting him for the Undisputed title. But instead, he's like, "Nope. I'm gonna give up my title." That's why it's ... Like, he's an odd dude.

Jamahal Hill 6:02 Yeah, that's strange, 'cause that's not only like a-... like, I don't think that's normally li- like, not only like a bad move legacy-wise, that's a bad business move.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 6:13 'Cause now your next fight, you fight as a challenger.

Joe Rogan 6:15 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 6:16 You don't get the, you don't get the same p- pay-per-view buys. You don't, you know what I mean? You don't get the same amount of money or none of that, so.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I mean-

Jamahal Hill 6:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:25 ... I could imagine the thought process behind it, like you wanna be noble.

Jamahal Hill 6:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:29 But, uh, you gotta take care of the money, bro.

Jamahal Hill 6:31 You gotta take that.

Joe Rogan 6:32 You gotta take care of your money. I mean, how many world title fights you get?

Jamahal Hill 6:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:35 If you're lucky.

Jamahal Hill 6:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:36 If you, everything goes perfect. And he should know now, especially being injured, like, hey, this could happen and you could get a catastrophic injury and who, you could be out for a year or so. You never know.

Jamahal Hill 6:47 I think it was a play, him trying to be noble.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 6:50 Just trying to be noble. Trying to like, you know, oh, he does the right thing, the way he respects the warrior and things like that.

Joe Rogan 6:54 I like how you're thinking about it, like 3D chess. Like, "What is this motherfucker doing for real?" (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 6:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to tell you, man, I think a lot of what he does is meant to put a certain image in your head.

Joe Rogan 7:04 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 7:05 You know, so.

Joe Rogan 7:06 I'm sure. I mean, makes sense. It, it would be smart to do. I mean, he's got a weird image. He's out there throwing kicks at trees.

Jamahal Hill 7:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:13 You know? He's like w- wraps a tree up in a f- foam pad and starts punching it and kicking it, like.

Jamahal Hill 7:17 Yelling in the woods.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Yeah, like, okay, man, you know, gyms are better.

Jamahal Hill 7:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Gyms are definitely better than a tree. (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 7:23 I wanna know what it is about being in the woods that just makes him want to yell.

Joe Rogan 7:28 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 7:28 Like, what is it? Are you upset with the trees?

Joe Rogan 7:32 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 7:33 Do you just feel alone?

Joe Rogan 7:36 It's like something-

Jamahal Hill 7:36 Do you wanna be heard? I mean, these are all questions.

Joe Rogan 7:38 There's a lot of things.

Jamahal Hill 7:39 You know?

Joe Rogan 7:39 Do you wanna be heard? Right, right.

Jamahal Hill 7:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Yeah. I mean, do you, is it, does it make you more, more noble or sophisticated to be in the woods?

Jamahal Hill 7:49 I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 7:50 What is it? Remember when Rocky was training for, for Drago in Rocky IV? Went to the woods. Running in the snow, carrying logs and shit.

Jamahal Hill 7:59 (smacks lips) I think I, matter of fact, in the, uh, in the e- in the, uh... Goddamn it. It makes me feel weird just even saying it out. In the I'm coming video.

Joe Rogan 8:08 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 8:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:09 Damn it. Damn it. I don't know another way to say it. That's what she said. Here it is. (laughs) This is crazy.

Jamahal Hill 8:15 But I think...

Joe Rogan 8:16 Where you at, though? (laughs) This is the video.

Jamahal Hill 8:19 By the way, that's what she said. That's what she said! (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:25 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 8:26 Well, in the one that he did, though, it was like a ax in the, in the, uh, in the tree stump in the background.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Yeah?

Jamahal Hill 8:33 Did you notice that?

Joe Rogan 8:33 No, I didn't notice that.

Jamahal Hill 8:34 Yeah, bro, so I don't, bro.

Joe Rogan 8:36 He's probably out there chopping wood.

Jamahal Hill 8:37 Chopping wood.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 8:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 8:40 I don't know, look at him.

Jamahal Hill 8:45 I'm coming.

Joe Rogan 8:46 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 8:47 Wait. I'm coming!

Joe Rogan 8:50 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 8:50 We gotta go.

Joe Rogan 8:50 It is fucking weird, man.

Jamahal Hill 8:52 No, it's like... Oh wait, so I guess it wasn't the ax.

Joe Rogan 8:54 Congratulations. Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 8:55 I might've been high when I've seen it. It could've just been that post right there.

Joe Rogan 8:58 Yeah, I don't see a ax. He's a strange cat, man. That's a strange cat.

Jamahal Hill 9:03 Yeah. That was just like... (smacks lips) Yeah, I don't know, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:11 So-

Jamahal Hill 9:11 I'm coming.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Did you think he's next? Have they had any conversations with you about who, who's gonna be your first title defense?

Jamahal Hill 9:17 Uh...

Joe Rogan 9:17 As the champion of the fucking world? Woo!

Jamahal Hill 9:20 Sounds good, yo.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Sounds good, right?

Jamahal Hill 9:22 Sounds real fucking good, yo.

Joe Rogan 9:23 And you earned the fuck out of that too.

Jamahal Hill 9:25 Yeah, man. It was, uh... Yeah, bro, Glover was, Glover was tough, man. Like-

Joe Rogan 9:30 Oh, he's so tough.

Jamahal Hill 9:31 Like, like, y'all said that, right? I think we need to put a little bit more emphasis on it, because like, it's not just that he's tough. He's tough, he's tough, and while he's being tough, he's still fighting intelligently.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 9:48 You get what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 9:49 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 9:50 So like, for, for not one second did I hit him with something and it was like, "Oh, shit." And like, "Oh, I don't wanna get hit with whatever's next."

Joe Rogan 9:58 Right.

Jamahal Hill 9:58 Cover up. Like, you know what I mean? Like that, that, that one like-

Joe Rogan 10:01 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 10:01 ... "Oh, I need to, I need to find," like protection type.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Right.

Jamahal Hill 10:03 He never did that.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 10:05 You know? And I was just like crazy, 'cause it was one sequence, like I think it was like in the third where I hit him with right hand, right hand, elbow, left hand.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 10:16 It's like, at no point was he like, "Oh, shit. I need to cover up."

Joe Rogan 10:19 Right.

Jamahal Hill 10:19 Or anything, 'cause like, I mean, I finished you at that point.

Joe Rogan 10:22 Right.

Jamahal Hill 10:22 But it's like, bro...

Joe Rogan 10:24 That was in the ground and pound sequence.

Jamahal Hill 10:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah, when you're on top of him.

Jamahal Hill 10:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:27 You, that was so close. A lot of referees would've stopped it. A lot of referees would've stopped it there.

Jamahal Hill 10:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:32 I mean, you were dropping bombs on him, but yeah, he kept moving, kept moving. He kept trying to-

Jamahal Hill 10:37 K-

Joe Rogan 10:37 ... he's, there's no quit button to that dude.

Jamahal Hill 10:37 He kicked me in the, he kicked me in the face. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:40 From the bottom?

Jamahal Hill 10:40 Yeah, he grabbed my arm and pulled me, like he's gonna try to pull me in his guard. And then when I went in, as soon as I like, so obviously, to not go in, you're gonna sit up. I sat up, he kicked me in the face.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 10:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:51 He's a crafty fella.

Jamahal Hill 10:53 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 10:53 I think his time with, uh, Alex Pereira really improved him too towards the very end of his career when he started training with Alex. Because the, like, there's something about like having that dude in camp with him, and he's on the run for the middleweight title, that it all like came together, and you know, some of his last fights were some of his best. The Jan Blachowicz fight.

Jamahal Hill 11:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:14 You know, I mean, uh, Uri, the Jiri Prochazka fight. Like there's fucking great fights, man.

Jamahal Hill 11:20 Yeah, he, um, he's harder to hit, he's harder to hit clean than I thought.

Joe Rogan 11:25 'Cause he turns his face a little, rolls with stuff.

Jamahal Hill 11:27 Yeah, yeah, a little, a little bit of that, but it's like, it's his hands, right? So he definitely learns from w- from people that he fights, 'cause he was definitely doing a little Jon Jones to me. You know, the little, like kinda-

Joe Rogan 11:39 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 11:39 ... kinda poke, kinda poke his hands out. And you watch it a couple times, like, I wanted to follow up with some shots, with some combos, but the way he was like blocking, he's like going like this or like putting his elbow up like this.

Joe Rogan 11:50 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 11:51 Kinda like poking his fingers, like jibbing his fingers like towards my like face. So yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:56 That's a weird gray area, right? The, the-

Jamahal Hill 12:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:00 You know, 'cause Jon poked a lot of people in the eyes.

Jamahal Hill 12:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:03 You know? I'm sure he didn't mean to do it, but that style of doing it-

Jamahal Hill 12:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:07 ... like that, of having the hands out, especially when you're as long as Jon...... it's a, you know, it's a very tr- ... It's ki- ... It's a very gray area. You're not supposed to do that.

Jamahal Hill 12:17 Yeah. No, you're not supposed to do it, but (laughs) it's done. It's done, it's done, it's done quite a bit.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 12:22 You know what I mean? Especially like even if you see somebody get hit with something like-

Joe Rogan 12:26 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 12:26 ... solid, and they start to, like, kind of get crowded, and they want to get some space, and they want to try to really keep you from coming forward, that's the first thing that they'll do.

Joe Rogan 12:34 Yeah. What could be done about that, though, the eye pokes? The only thing that I think is a change of the gloves. They have to figure out something to make a better glove that doesn't encourage your hands to be open. You know? I mean, we talked about this before, but Trevor Wittman, um, you know, uh, Gaethje's trainer, he's got a w- way better glove. He, he, he makes his own material, Onyx. He, he makes his own gloves and shin pads-

Jamahal Hill 12:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:56 ... and it's ... they're fucking top-notch. But he made a better glove, and I don't know why the UFC is not using it. I don't know what's going on. I don't know if they have to get it approved by the commissions. I don't know what the deal is, but it's a far superior glove.

Jamahal Hill 13:07 Does it affect the grappling?

Joe Rogan 13:09 Yeah. No, no, it doesn't.

Jamahal Hill 13:10 Like, the grip of grappling?

Joe Rogan 13:10 But it, it, it keeps your hand curved. Like, the natural state of it is to have your hand in a curved position-

Jamahal Hill 13:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:15 ... versus open. With the UFC gloves, you know, you put those on, your hand wants to be open, and you have to kind of close it and-

Jamahal Hill 13:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:22 ... tighten it down. With, with his gloves, it starts out in a folded position. Like, it's much easier. So even if you were, like, extending your hand, you would extend it like what you would if you had a Thai glove o- uh, a boxing glove on.

Jamahal Hill 13:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:33 You know? I just think there's gotta be something. There's so many fucking eye pokes. I mean, you guys both poked each other-

Jamahal Hill 13:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:39 ... in that fight accidentally.

Jamahal Hill 13:40 The only difference is, when I poked him in the eye, it helped him. All right? 'Cause that kne- 'cause that knee, that knee I caught him with right in the sternum, right before that, if, if I actually am able to put the frame on him like I want to, he's getting a head kick.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 13:55 You know what I mean? So-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 13:56 ... so ... It acts same w- w- me, whenever I poke ... Whenever he poked me in the eye, though, I was on his ass.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Uh-huh.

Jamahal Hill 14:03 I was on his ass.

Joe Rogan 14:04 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 14:05 I think I had just landed, like ... Uppercut, yeah. I had just landed, like, a uppercut. That was right after little weave, the little weave sequence there. That's smooth. I was, I was in my zone.

Joe Rogan 14:14 How many times you watch that? How many times you watch that?

Jamahal Hill 14:17 I watched it a few times.

Joe Rogan 14:18 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 14:18 I watched it a few times. It was just, uh ... I was gonna say it was this one little sequence in the beginning, at the begin- ... uh, well, towards the end of the f- the first round, where it was just ... I remember it happening in the fight, but I wanted to see how it looked on camera. And it was, it was all right.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Pretty smooth.

Jamahal Hill 14:35 It was all right. It was all right.

Joe Rogan 14:35 Oh, listen. It's a ... It was a very good performance. It, it was very ... Y- you were very crafty.

Jamahal Hill 14:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:41 That was the, the thing about the fight that I really enjoyed is, like, watching your setups and all your feints and luring him in and the way you're moving in and out.

Jamahal Hill 14:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:50 Like, it was ver- ... Because I had seen all that in other fights, but, um, with all the stakes on the line, in Brazil, fighting for the title, and I think you were at your best. I really do.

Jamahal Hill 15:02 Yeah, man. I, I rise to the occasion. I really lock in. Like, you know, I understand, I understand the situation, I understand the moment, so that's why I work so hard to get to it. And then I trust the work that I put in.

Joe Rogan 15:12 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 15:13 You know? So, at that point, it's just, all right, do what you do every day.

Joe Rogan 15:16 Everything, your pacing, you, you just was so smart about when to hit the gas, you know, when t- when to, like, just like give him looks and, and catch your breath, and it was just phenomenal, man.

Jamahal Hill 15:27 Nothing surprised me. Like, um, nothing surprised me in that fight, 'cause everything, like ... You know, he's been ... That's the thing about being around for a long time, right? There's so much film on you, you know what I mean? People-

Joe Rogan 15:37 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 15:37 ... people watch your habits. Then, you know, after you've been fighting for so long, people can see when you stop evolving.

Joe Rogan 15:43 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 15:43 Right? So, they can see, like, "All right, this is what he does." You know? And then that's where it comes in, like, "All right, this is what we know he's gonna do. This is what we're gonna do, uh, in place of this." You know? Then we get Anthony Smith in, and he's like, "Hey, oh, there's some things that he does that surprise me. In our fight, I, I didn't ... I realized he did this, and these are some things I would've done differently that, you know, might have worked better." Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 16:04 Like what kind of things did he do that surprised Anthony?

Jamahal Hill 16:06 Um, his grip. I think he said his grip, the way, uh, the way ... How strong he w- ... How hard it was to break his, like, um, to break his grip.

Joe Rogan 16:14 Wrist control?

Jamahal Hill 16:15 Yeah. So instead of, so instead of trying to fight his grip, fight like the, uh, fight like the underhooks and fight like the positioning.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 16:22 Right? So, like, uh, a couple times he got his hands clasped behind my up under my butt. If you notice, I didn't, I didn't fight his grip. I wasn't fighting his grip. I started fighting at his elbows, I started fighting at his shoulders.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 16:34 You know what I mean? Just other other, other things away from where his strengths were. And then that, um, that trip, that trip that he got me down with in the fifth, um, Smith had told me about that. So whenever he did it, so whenever he actually did it, he showed me, but I was like, "Oh, it was slick." So I went o- ... So I actually feel it, and it was like, "Oh, yeah, it was slick," but it's like, "All right, I know what to do." Bang, I laying here. Stay in position. That's why I don't ... That's w- ... I don't panic, none of that.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 17:00 Just chill and go through the, go through what I've been doing. Everything, everything we worked on was, was that.

Joe Rogan 17:08 No, your take-down defense was amazing, too, 'cause there were some times, especially in the first round, he got in d- pretty deep on you, and you just shucked it all off.

Jamahal Hill 17:15 Yeah. I think that's why he, uh, kinda, kinda ... Well, he wasn't able to really fight and try to turn it into a scramble, 'cause I wasn't gonna allow him. I wasn't gonna allow him to turn it into a scramble for a take-down. So whenever he did shoot in, just met him with har- with hard frames. Whenever I was hitting those hip, those hip bumps, those hip bumps were hard, you know? So, immediately hip bump, put a frame for him to fight through, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:39 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 17:39 If you're gonna get this take-down, (laughs) it's gonna w- ... It's gonna cost you-

Joe Rogan 17:41 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 17:41 ... a lot to get it.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Right.

Jamahal Hill 17:43 You know? So, that was pretty much the game plan, make him go do that and make him work, and then whenever we, um, while, while we got range, touch him up.

Joe Rogan 17:53 And you did that. Yeah. (laughs) When you woke up in the morning the next day, was it like, "What the fuck? Did that really happen?"

Jamahal Hill 18:01 You think I went to sleep, Joe?

Joe Rogan 18:02 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 18:03 You think I went to sleep, Joe?

Joe Rogan 18:05 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 18:07 No time for sleep.

Joe Rogan 18:09 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 18:11 I dozed off for maybe, like-Uh, we were, we were up for, we were up 'til like, maybe like 11:00, 11:30. And I was like, (clicks tongue) "I should probably take a nap or something and get some s- get some, get some sleep." And I think like, um, I went, I went into my room, I laid down. I just like kinda laid there, you know? I didn't really sleep. I just-

Joe Rogan 18:30 Did you lay there next to the belt?

Jamahal Hill 18:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:33 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 18:33 Yeah. That's how they got that picture, that picture of me, uh, laying with the belt eventually. Uh, I mean, like, I dozed off for maybe like a hour, hour and a half, like maybe like... It was like a couple hours, it was like a couple hours after every- after we had all... Everybody went to go lay down and everything. I dozed off for maybe like a hour, hour and a half after sitting up for a while, and, uh, I woke up. And like, they were all like up on the roof, so we just kinda went up on the roof, and... Little bar up there and stuff and chill.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Just hung out.

Jamahal Hill 18:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:59 New world.

Jamahal Hill 19:00 Yeah. It-

Joe Rogan 19:01 You're in a new world.

Jamahal Hill 19:02 Back then. Yeah, bro, it's cr- it's crazy, you know? But it's... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 19:07 There it is. (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 19:08 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah. I was asleep.

Joe Rogan 19:12 (imitates yawn)

Jamahal Hill 19:12 I eventually passed out and then, yeah, they got, they got it rolling.

Joe Rogan 19:15 What was your experience like in Brazil? Did you like it there?

Jamahal Hill 19:18 Yeah. Yeah, I actually, I actually had a great time.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Beautiful, right?

Jamahal Hill 19:21 Yeah, it was beautiful.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Nice fucking people.

Jamahal Hill 19:23 Nice people. Great weather. Beautiful sights.

Joe Rogan 19:26 Great food.

Jamahal Hill 19:28 Great food.

Joe Rogan 19:28 Beautiful sites, yeah.

Jamahal Hill 19:30 Beautiful sights.

Joe Rogan 19:30 All kinds of sites, right?

Jamahal Hill 19:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:34 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 19:35 Different kinds of sites there.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Makes y- makes you, makes you look at sites a little different, you know? Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 19:38 Yeah. Like, "Wow, there's some genetics down here."

Joe Rogan 19:40 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 19:41 No. What? That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:44 You know?

Jamahal Hill 19:45 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 19:46 Yeah. Beautiful.

Jamahal Hill 19:47 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Beautiful. Great people, man. It's-

Jamahal Hill 19:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:48 It's a w- a wild place to be, too, because when you think about, you know, Brazil and the UFC and jujitsu, it's a- all from there. I mean, without Brazil, the UFC would not be what it is. I mean-

Jamahal Hill 19:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:59 ... who knows if it would have ever even happened, or if it happened way, way later. And if it wasn't for Rorion Gracie, it wasn't for the Gracie family, and wasn't for Brazilian jujitsu, we wouldn't be here.

Jamahal Hill 20:10 Yeah, nah, man.

Joe Rogan 20:11 It's crazy.

Jamahal Hill 20:12 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Crazy that one family can have such an impact on the martial arts world.

Jamahal Hill 20:16 Hey, it ha- it had a impact on me. Uh, Coiler Gracie, the guy in my, in my corner, that's, uh, Royce Gracie's nephew.

Joe Rogan 20:23 Oh, wow.

Jamahal Hill 20:24 So, you know, that's, that's where I... That's, uh, that's who, that's who our, my, our head instructor, uh, under our, under our great- uh, under our train- under our jujitsu program. That's, uh, that's who we've been training under for... I think he, we joined under him maybe like about 10 years ago.

Joe Rogan 20:41 When did you... What was the first UFC that you saw? How old were you?

Jamahal Hill 20:46 The first UFC I saw was the Anderson Silva verse Forrest Griffin. I think I was like 19.

Joe Rogan 20:51 Oh, wow.

Jamahal Hill 20:51 I, I was 18. I was 18. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:53 That was a good one to see 'cause Anderson was a wizard back then.

Jamahal Hill 20:57 Man, that-

Joe Rogan 20:57 He was a wizard.

Jamahal Hill 20:58 That's what got me, that's what got me hooked. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what really, that's really what, what started the path towards-

Joe Rogan 21:04 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 21:05 ... towards all of this, because like... So, I've been in a lot of fights growing up, right? So like, I'm like... Growing up, I've been in a lot... I've been in a different... I've fought big, small, short, fast, all, like all these dudes, right? And, um, sitting there watching that and seeing what he did to him, it was like, (clicks tongue) "Okay. Can I do that?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:37 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 21:37 And if I... And right now, while I, while I can't do that, I definitely don't wanna run into somebody that can do that.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Right, right.

Jamahal Hill 21:43 You know what I'm saying? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:45 Right. Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 21:45 I was like, I, I think I should probably become one of those guys that can do that.

Joe Rogan 21:49 You know, when people talk about GOATs, you know, and I do think Jon Jones is a, a great argument for the greatest of all time (clears throat) just based on his record. But I feel like there's moments in guys' careers, and those moments kinda get diluted when you see later performances that aren't as good, maybe when they're older. (clears throat) But when Anderson was in his prime, uh, I, he was a magician. There was something about him, man. He, he was like uns- he had this unstoppable aura. He was so at peace and so calm, and he would smile at guys.

Jamahal Hill 22:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:20 And you knew he was fucking them up.

Jamahal Hill 22:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:22 He was fucking everybody up, and it wa- it was the way he was doing it. He was doing it like it was magic. You know, when- when he knocked out Forrest-

Jamahal Hill 22:29 Impressive.

Joe Rogan 22:29 ... it was like the... Forrest didn't have a chance in the world of hitting him.

Jamahal Hill 22:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 He was just waiting for the spot, ba-bink. Moving backwards.

Jamahal Hill 22:36 Yeah, man. That was... It was... (laughs) I never seen anything like it, just the whoop whoop.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 22:43 Then, bang.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Yeah. When he was on, when he was at his best, like the Vitor Belfort fight, during those times in his prime, man, he... Like, when he first got into the UFC, when he lit up Ch- Chris Leben, I was like, "Oh, boy, everybody's fucked. Everybody in this division is fucked." And it was just-

Jamahal Hill 23:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:00 ... one of those times where it was like you saw a guy who was like total next level who had just entered into the sport, and it changed everybody's idea of like what was possible-

Jamahal Hill 23:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:08 ... with striking.

Jamahal Hill 23:09 Yeah. 100%. Uh, he definitely, definitely did that for me.

Joe Rogan 23:12 (clears throat)

Jamahal Hill 23:12 I, um, I used to have this... Whenever I first started, like in my amateur, like early on amateur, like my first fights, my first... And I think I made my amateur debut back like, I think it was like March 6th, 2010, or something like that. So like, uh, um, I used to watch. I used to have this Anderson Silva highlight video-

Joe Rogan 23:32 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 23:32 ... that just rolled through like of, of all his fights and things. And I don't know, something about just watching that video made me feel like, all right, like just watching greatness made me believe that I could be great.

Joe Rogan 23:41 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 23:42 You know? So I, um-

Joe Rogan 23:42 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 23:44 I used to watch it-

Joe Rogan 23:44 (clears throat)

Jamahal Hill 23:44 ... before every fight, and I was just going in (laughs) annihilating people.

Joe Rogan 23:49 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 23:49 Um, actually, my second, my second amateur fight was against my godbrother, right?

Joe Rogan 23:56 Really?

Jamahal Hill 23:57 Yeah. So he, um, he actually had brought, brought... After I had watched the Anderson Silva fight, he had a fight. He did like a MMA fight. And like he came back. He got something 'cause they had the video, so you know, I seen him like, "Oh," like, you know? It's like, it was like...... all right, it can actually be done, it's actually possible. Like, th- there was actually a scene for it around here. Then that's when I ran ... I, I found my own gym. That's when I found my coaches, like my coaches that are, that are, uh, that are in it with me. Um, and I started training with them. And not say like, maybe like, (sighs) four months later, four and a half months later ... Yeah, about four months later, I end up fighting him on like, uh, week notice. Uh-

Joe Rogan 24:40 Did you guys have a conversation?

Jamahal Hill 24:41 Yeah. Whenever they hit me up or ask me about it, I was like, "All right, let me hit him up, and I'm gonna talk to him about it." And he was like, "Yeah, you know ..." He was like, "It's just, it's just a sport. That's why I was ... I was ... That's why we got into it, you know, it's part of the game." You know, um, of course now, I feel differently about it, just for the simple fact of like, we wasn't making no money.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Right.

Jamahal Hill 25:02 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 25:03 Right.

Jamahal Hill 25:03 So it was like, nah. Now would've been a no, but I'm s- I'm just now getting into it and I'm trying to get the experience that guy tried to

Narrator 25:10 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Right.

Jamahal Hill 25:11 Whatever. So we did, and I end up winning in like, like, I think it was like 40 something seconds. Then I, uh, end up choking this guy out after that, in like 30 seconds. Like so, I was ... So when I came out, I was, I was just whooping people. And, uh, the f- my fourth amateur fight was a title fight, and it was a lot like the Glover Teixeira fight. Bro, I whooped this dude's ass, bro.

Joe Rogan 25:43 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 25:43 Like, for rounds. Like his like, his lip was like almost inside out, his eye was like, ha- was like gashed above, his eye was completely closed. But he would not stop (laughs) coming after me, bro.

Joe Rogan 26:00 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 26:00 He would not stop coming at me, just, just steady ... just like trying to hit me. And then like, uh, I think I got tired. But they, uh ... But like, I think like the first round, the first round, I had him down, pinned in a full mount, pounding him, like pounding him out. And they stopped the round like a minute early.

Joe Rogan 26:19 Whoa.

Jamahal Hill 26:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Was he a hometown guy?

Jamahal Hill 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Oh, no.

Jamahal Hill 26:23 Yeah, so he was like, uh, like-

Joe Rogan 26:26 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 26:26 ... he was-

Joe Rogan 26:26 You were trying to save him.

Jamahal Hill 26:28 And there was no commission. You gotta think, there's no com-

Joe Rogan 26:30 No. Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 26:30 There was no commission back in Michigan back in the day. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 26:33 Right.

Jamahal Hill 26:33 So it was just like basically like guys just renting out venues, renting out a cage, and-

Joe Rogan 26:37 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 26:37 ... putting on fights. And so like, yeah, bro. It was, it was, it was ... Then the next round, I think I caught him with a head kick and they stopped it a minute early again. You know? Then I end up eventually getting tired. That's why like, uh, amateur wise, like it was eventually it was just like, uh, this is a, it's a no contest. But I actually got caught in a guillotine at the end of that, at the ... like, after I got tired. Like, I think it was like maybe like the fourth, fifth round or something like that, I got caught in a guillotine. Uh, 'cause I just tried to shoot on him. I just tried to shoot. Like, "I'm tired. I'm gonna c- I'm gonna hold him down, catch my breath." And then, you know, but I didn't finish the take down. You know, like it was, it was not, not my best work, yo. Not my best work. And, uh, yeah, I got caught in a guillotine.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Did you ... You started your training with just MMA. Is that the first training-

Jamahal Hill 27:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 ... you'd ever done?

Jamahal Hill 27:26 Well, we had-

Joe Rogan 27:26 Did you have done any karate or anything when you were younger?

Jamahal Hill 27:29 When I was a kid, I did Taekwondo. I did like s- a little Taekwondo whenever I was a kid. But most of it was just like, like stuff my dad showed me, like, you know what I mean? Just about like how to, how to, how, how to hold tight and how to roll with punches and things like that. And then, uh, like my uncles, like my uncle showed me things. Like I was always into martial arts, you know. So, um, my brother, the, uh, that I, uh, that passed away before I, uh, before I, before I went pro, he, he was into martial arts like I was. You know, so like, you know, he would, he would, he would hear some things and he was really smart, you know. So he'd hear some things, he's see some techniques that he showed me, and we'd just kind of dialogue about things. You know, then like, you know, you had like movies like The Matrix and stuff like that. So like, you obviously like ... Obviously the stuff wasn't real, right? But like you s- ... But even in, even in like some of that like, they, they mimic certain real martial arts.

Joe Rogan 28:25 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 28:26 You know, like Wing Chun is a real thing, maybe not like the most effective thing, but parts of it are effective.

Joe Rogan 28:31 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 28:31 You know, and that's kind of like our thing. Like all right, what parts of what martial arts are effective? So we was already like essentially kind of in ... playing with martial arts without even like really like knowing.

Joe Rogan 28:43 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 28:44 You know, so, um, it was just an interest though.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Tony Ferguson uses Wing Chun. You see, he does a lot of Wing Chun dummies.

Jamahal Hill 28:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:53 You know, he de- he practices with the dummy, but you see it in fights sometimes, like he'll catch, he'll catch a wrist and use an elbow or he'll catch a wrist and come with a punch.

Jamahal Hill 29:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 It's ... It is something to it.

Jamahal Hill 29:03 I mean, there's some. There's certain parts of every martial art that can be effective.

Joe Rogan 29:06 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 29:06 You know?

Joe Rogan 29:06 As long as you combine them with the stuff that we know is effective.

Jamahal Hill 29:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:09 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 29:09 Right. They're just some that are more effective, like boxing-

Joe Rogan 29:12 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 29:12 ... wrestling, kickboxing.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 29:14 You know? Um, but if you can have strong fundamentals in those and then be able to sprinkle in some of the things, like some people do it, that's why, that's why you get the crazy spinning attacks from some dudes and things.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Like the, like Yair Rodriguez-

Jamahal Hill 29:26 It's just different-

Joe Rogan 29:27 ... was fighting this weekend. Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 29:27 Those are just different ... Those are just different techniques.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 29:29 You know? Those are just different, um, different arts. And then he's just picking which one out of which bag that he wants to go. Like spinning kicks and like tea kicks, those are more like karate.

Joe Rogan 29:41 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 29:42 You know, um, but they're more generalized now in MM- MMA. Um, leg kicks, that's a Muay Thai thing. You know, um, calf kicks is, yeah, the Muay Thai, uh, bo- jab. A jab is really more boxing based. You know, um, but (laughs) it's effective in all, more, more forms of fighting. So it's just like that. Like you said earlier.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Did you ... So you started like hardcore training, you were 18? Around there?

Jamahal Hill 30:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:11 So that was like when you really just started learning everything. So you-

Jamahal Hill 30:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Learning everything together. Wrestling-

Jamahal Hill 30:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:16 ... jujitsu, kickboxing, all of it together.

Jamahal Hill 30:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 30:20 I started out with jujitsu and, and, uh, and Muay Thai basically.

Joe Rogan 30:25 And then a- how long into were you like, "I think I could be a world champion?"

Jamahal Hill 30:31 Uh, see, that's the, that's the thing about me being arrogant. When I got into it originally, I thought I could be a world champion, you know? But it's just, like, you never really know what you... It's like you, think about like when you were a kid and you can believe that you could do anything. That's the type of belief that I have. You know what I mean? Is, a- and it's just never changed, you know? Like, um, I'm realistic, you know what I mean, about things. Like, all right, if I can't, uh, or how, how much I want something and things like that.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 30:56 But as far as, like, believing what I can do, I believe I can do anything, you know? So it's like, um, whenever I stepped in, it was like, yeah, world champion. Be... Because (clears throat) whenever I came in, although I watched Anderson Sil- Silva and I was in awe of him, I wanted to know, can I whoop his ass?

Joe Rogan 31:13 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 31:13 So that's what my journey, when my MMA journey started, that's what that was. That was me chasing Anderson Silva to see if I can... I started fighting at 185.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Really?

Jamahal Hill 31:20 When I was 18, I was fighting 185.

Joe Rogan 31:23 'Cause you're not, like, you're, you're not real heavy for 205.

Jamahal Hill 31:27 Mm...

Joe Rogan 31:27 What do you walk around at when you're training?

Jamahal Hill 31:30 (laughs) When I'm walk- when I walk around tr- when training? Uh, maybe like 230, two- between 230, 235.

Joe Rogan 31:35 That's not... Like, some of those guys get big.

Jamahal Hill 31:37 Yeah, I mean, I can't, yeah, I can't get up to around like 240, 245. That's around what I was whenever they called me for the Glover fight. When I saw the fight.

Joe Rogan 31:44 You don't think you could make 185 again?

Jamahal Hill 31:47 I probably could.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Champ, champ.

Jamahal Hill 31:49 For the right, for the right fight.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Champ... That would be a good fight. All right.

Jamahal Hill 31:53 Champ, champ, champ.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Champ, champ, champ. Oh, heavyweight too. Why not?

Jamahal Hill 31:57 Why not?

Joe Rogan 31:58 You can't make welterweight.

Jamahal Hill 31:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:00 I'm fucking with you.

Jamahal Hill 32:01 No, no, I'm just kid-

Joe Rogan 32:02 Hamza, Hamza... I don't know how the fuck he makes it.

Jamahal Hill 32:03 No.

Joe Rogan 32:04 When you're around that dude, like, in between fights, you're like, "What the fuck is going on?" You ain't... There's not a world where you weigh 170 pounds.

Jamahal Hill 32:11 I don't think I've ever seen him in person.

Joe Rogan 32:12 He's a big fol- big fella.

Jamahal Hill 32:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:14 He's big, he's thick.

Jamahal Hill 32:15 That Johnny Walker, though.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Ja-

Jamahal Hill 32:16 I don't know how Johnny Walker makes 205.

Joe Rogan 32:18 He's huge.

Jamahal Hill 32:19 He's huge.

Joe Rogan 32:19 He's huge.

Jamahal Hill 32:20 And, and like, it was just like most dudes that are big, like tall like that, they be like skinny. Where's he skinny at?

Joe Rogan 32:25 Right, he's big.

Jamahal Hill 32:26 Yeah, he's just a big dude.

Joe Rogan 32:27 Yeah, he looks like a heavyweight.

Jamahal Hill 32:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:29 When you dropped him, dude, that was one of the craziest knockouts.

Jamahal Hill 32:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:32 It was like, "Timber."

Jamahal Hill 32:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:34 He was like-

Jamahal Hill 32:34 At first I wasn't... Like, I don't know, man. It was just like, from, from my, from my point of view, like I slipped, I slipped, bang. I felt the, I felt the clean connection. And then he, um... But he th- he had swung too, so like, you know, I kinda dipped, I kinda dipped back, and then when I look, when I look, all I see is his hands back. Now, to me-

Joe Rogan 32:54 There he is, right here.

Jamahal Hill 32:54 ... I know that's like a-

Joe Rogan 32:55 Boom.

Jamahal Hill 32:55 Yeah. Now, when his hands go up, like, I'm like, "Okay, that's like a-"

Joe Rogan 32:58 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 32:58 That's like a he's hurt type thing. That's why I just loaded up to just follow up, you know? I'm not thinking like, "Oh, he's out right then and there."

Joe Rogan 33:04 It's funny because I've heard people, like, not believe in your power.

Jamahal Hill 33:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:09 And I don't understand it. And I've had con- conversations with people that, "Oh, he doesn't hit that hard." I'm like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Jamahal Hill 33:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:16 The fuck are you talking about?

Jamahal Hill 33:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:17 You're watching people fly across the ring, go unconscious.

Jamahal Hill 33:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Like how are you... How do you think he's not hitting hard? Like what... It's weird when some people just decide that someone is not as good.

Jamahal Hill 33:28 No.

Joe Rogan 33:28 And like, I'm seeing something. I'm watching you fight and I'm like, "This f- this dude's clever. Like, this, this dude's dangerous." He c- he catches chins. He, like, you know how to catch chins.

Jamahal Hill 33:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 You have like a sense of like where they're at, where they're gonna go, and then you find them. I'm like, that's a, that's a u- unusual talent. And I was... Well, some people are like, "Oh, he doesn't hit that hard. He didn't h- hit Johnny that hard." I'm like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Jamahal Hill 33:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:51 Watch that.

Jamahal Hill 33:51 Yeah, that was-

Joe Rogan 33:51 What happened there?

Jamahal Hill 33:52 That was as c- that's about as clean as you can land a shot, especially to the temple.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 33:57 You know? Um, I, I understand. I understand fighting, you know? Um, whenever I was sitting, learning and being taught things, I not only wanted to know how to do what it, I wanted to know why, how to like, you know what I mean? The, the, the physics behind it.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 34:12 You know? And um, and in doing that, I, I understand, uh, fighting and angles and things like that on a, on a different level. You know? Um, it's like... How can I explain this? The three things that I know, that I, that I, that I know that I, that I can do better, and what I see in constant in fights that most people don't do, I understand where I am in a fight, as far as positional wise. All right, where, where do I stand? What's happening in the fight? What my options are? And what they're trying to do. You know?

Joe Rogan 34:49 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 34:49 And it's just like a, it's just almost like embedded into like my senses, to where my body reacts and it does the things like naturally.

Joe Rogan 34:57 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 34:57 You know what I mean? So it's like... That's why I like that, that part in, that part in the fight where I just flowed and just, and just move and just like... It was like... Did I see what he was throwing? Honestly, no. But I under-

Joe Rogan 35:11 But you kinda knew where it was going.

Jamahal Hill 35:12 But I understood, based off of where it was punching, I went, "What's next?" My body, like, it's just-

Joe Rogan 35:15 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 35:16 It's, bro, it's crazy, especially when I'm locked in. It's like one of the dopest feelings in the world that I wish like I could like plug like a wire from myself into other people so they could like just, just see it maybe from my eyes or just how I'm feeling it or, or whatever. But it's just like... That's how I knew I was really good, you know? Um, I think it was before the Santos fight. We were in the back and we were doing pad work and I was just flowing, you know, and I was feeling good and I'm hitting the pads. I'm like, "All right." And I'm now... Sometimes whenever I hit pads, I'll like kinda put myself at a wei- at a weird angle and just, just to try, try different things, you know? Just laying here to get here, to get to where I wanna get here. And like, it just hit me like, there's nothing in a fight that I can't do. And there's nothing that I can't do in a fight at the highest level. And like, it was like, I've been working head down, working so long, just adding to my bag, adding to my bag. And I never really actually looked up and looked at what I had. And in that moment, that was one of the times that I actually did. And I realized like, "I'm ready to be the best in the world."

Joe Rogan 36:19 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 36:20 You know what I'm saying? For real.

Joe Rogan 36:22 That's awesome.

Jamahal Hill 36:22 I w- I felt that. You know?

Joe Rogan 36:24 That... You know what's inspiring about that? There's some young kid that was just like you that's probably watching that fight and watching what you did and like practicing it and fucking around in his living room and fucking around with his friends and is like, "I think I can do this too."... you know? Like, your success will inspire someone the same way Anderson Silva inspired you.

Jamahal Hill 36:43 Yeah, man. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Isn't that amazing?

Jamahal Hill 36:45 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 36:46 That's amazing. And, like, having that ability to see those great fighters too, is so huge for young, up-and-coming guys, because th- uh, having someone who's just coming up and can see you, or having, you know, those tapes, you could watch Fedor and watch Anderson and watch all the, the fighters that were in their primes. Like, you, you, you get this sense of what's possible, and then you go and try to incorporate that into your own game, and it just makes everybody better.

Jamahal Hill 37:14 Yeah, man. I was hungry for evolution. So, like, I had a period where, like, I just wanted to learn and just get, be able to do, like, like, just flow through flow.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 37:27 Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, like, I don't know if you've ever been in a fight or been like in training, you just flowing.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 37:32 Like, you sparring. You just flowing. You just, like, feeling good. You know all the things-

Joe Rogan 37:35 You're not even thinking.

Jamahal Hill 37:36 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 37:37 You know, I just wanted to add to that, like, being able to do it in more positions and more, more step- uh, more, more angles, you know? I just wanted to do it. So I was legitimately renting the, the fights. I've rented a lot of fights from, like, I think it was Family Video. They had a bunch of 'em. They had a bunch of UFC. So, like, I'm, I'm renting those. Uh, I'm pulling up YouTube, uh, YouTube boxing videos, you know, some kickboxing, some wrestling. So, like, any little things that I can try to learn and actually, like, "All right, that was nice. That was effective." And then I can start to do it and then try to turn it, flip it into my own. You know? And bro, like, that was one of the things that was hard coming up, like, like, when they're people are like, "Oh, you can't do this, can't do this." Like, bro, my bag is deep. Like, my bag is deep. And it's just, now it's, I just get to show it now.

Joe Rogan 38:28 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 38:28 You know what I mean? Now it's... 'Cause now it's just about winning.

Joe Rogan 38:33 And, and still, the thing is about you, like, how old are you now?

Jamahal Hill 38:38 31.

Joe Rogan 38:38 31. Start training at 18. Like, you're still getting better.

Jamahal Hill 38:42 For real.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Like, this is, this is not like you just honing your skills and keeping them tight. Like, no, you're, you're constantly improving.

Jamahal Hill 38:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 And y- that's not a lot of time of training. You know, you really-

Jamahal Hill 38:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:53 ... become, like, elite at what you're doing, you know, with whatever the 10,000 hour rule is. You've r- you've applied that. Like, you're, you're like, still getting better.

Jamahal Hill 39:03 Yeah, man. I still had 10, I still had years, I had years where I had to take off, you know what I mean? Where I had to l- do other things and stuff like that. Don't get me wrong, I always had periods when, and there was, and there, and there still were no time a little bit where I didn't make it to the gym a few times. But like, yeah, for real, it hasn't been a whole solid 13 years.

Joe Rogan 39:24 And now-

Jamahal Hill 39:24 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 39:25 ... that you're the champ, like, more resources are available to you-

Jamahal Hill 39:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:28 ... more time, you know. And then also there's the confidence that comes from being a champ. Like, most guys, when they become champ, then they hit another level. They hit another level once they're champ.

Jamahal Hill 39:39 Yeah, it... Just, just, I did feel that, a little something different, just in, just in how the way it happened. Like, um, everything went, went how, how we thought it was gonna go. You know, I did think I was gonna have to deal, deal with some adversity, and he, so he lan- he landed some shots, you know, but I, I'm good at rolling shots, we're good at rolling off with shots. You know, that's why sometimes you see I get hit and I don't give any space. That's 'cause y- you may have, you may have touched me but you didn't hit me.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Right.

Jamahal Hill 40:07 You know what I mean? So, it's like, um, not a lot of guys that have the sk- not, have, that have the skill and the understanding that I have are actually willing to just get in and fight too. You know? 'Cause at (laughs) the end of the, at the end of the day, you, you, you push it, you push it, you push that envelope enough to where it's like, all right, the, the, the thing is now you have to fight this... I'm good with that. You know? And I have fun with that too. You know? It's just... I don't know, man. I'm just built for this.

Joe Rogan 40:35 Well, that's what it takes. If you wanna be a world champion, you have to have that crazy belief in yourself like you had in the very beginning. You gotta put in that time and you gotta have that hunger and desire. You got it all.

Jamahal Hill 40:47 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 40:47 That's a beautiful thing, man. Top of the world-

Jamahal Hill 40:50 That's the, uh, man-

Joe Rogan 40:50 ... Jamal Hill.

Jamahal Hill 40:51 That's, man, that's the fun th- man, I, I just, it's just fun being in there, man. I just have fun now being in there. Like-

Joe Rogan 40:57 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 40:57 ... it's just... I, I feel like I'm just locked into something just, like, different. I don't know, like, whenever, for anybody, like, young man listening or whatever, just like, it's like, for me, it's like whenever you doing something like you really good at, like maybe... You ever seen, like, like back in... I was about to say back in high school but we, we might've, we might've had different experiences.

Joe Rogan 41:19 I'm old as fuck. (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 41:20 Yeah, I was about to say we might've had different experiences in high school. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:22 When I was in high school people rode horses.

Jamahal Hill 41:24 But no, like, really... Like, uh, like typing, have you ever seen, like, like somebody that can type, like-

Joe Rogan 41:27 Mm-hmm. Yeah, sure.

Jamahal Hill 41:28 ... like straight up like this?

Joe Rogan 41:29 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 41:30 I can't type like that. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 41:32 Right.

Jamahal Hill 41:32 But... So, but there was a time where I did take typing class where I did kind of get it so like, I could understand like... It's like when you're really good at something. When-

Joe Rogan 41:44 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 41:44 ... you're really good at something and you're just doing it and it just comes natural to you, maybe not a lot of other people can do it, like, that's how I feel whenever I'm fighting.

Joe Rogan 41:52 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 41:53 I don't feel like anybody else can really do what I do.

Joe Rogan 41:56 Well, that's a big part of being a great champion. You, you have to have that belief that you are the one, you know, and it's not an easy road. It's a, the, the craziest lifestyle choice, like, as a professional person, like, decide I'm going to be a professional fighter and a professional fighter in mixed martial arts, it's a, it's one of the craziest choices you can make in life. But if you can pull it off and if you can get to that world championship level and they strap that... How much does that thing weigh? Gotta be heavy as fuck.

Jamahal Hill 42:26 It's got, it's got some weight. It's got-

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 42:26 ... some weight to it, that's why I hang.

Joe Rogan 42:27 They put that thing around you, like, ooh.

Jamahal Hill 42:28 Around your shoulders.

Joe Rogan 42:29 Ooh.

Jamahal Hill 42:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 Um, when you look back at fights, like, that, that you had in the Octagon and you learned from, does any fight, like, where you, like, made a big leap, does any fight, like, stand out for you?

Jamahal Hill 42:43 Um-

Joe Rogan 42:46 Like, what about the Paul Craig fight?

Jamahal Hill 42:47 Yeah. Well, the Paul Craig fight, honestly, the, the thing that came from that is realization that you're not better than the, you're not better than the game. You're not invincible. Respect, you know what I mean, respect the craft and respect what you're doing. 'Cause that's what that was in that fight. It was, I don't, it was basically, "I don't care what you do, regardless, and I'm not worried about nothing. All I gotta do is show up and I'll win."

Joe Rogan 43:08 Mm.

Jamahal Hill 43:08 That's really how I felt. I felt like all I had to do was show up and I was gonna win. And I paid for that, you know. Um, I went, I, like, he didn't, he didn't pull me down. I went down with him willingly, you know, with him already having my arm locked and everything like that. Then I'm like, "All right, watch this. Start working the legs, start..." But that was the one way he had to win.

Joe Rogan 43:28 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 43:30 And I gave it to him. And-

Joe Rogan 43:32 He's, he's so dangerous off his back, too. It's such a different level-

Jamahal Hill 43:35 Ye-

Joe Rogan 43:35 ... off his back. But-

Jamahal Hill 43:36 I, I understand that, but that's the thing, though. I didn't care. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 43:40 Right.

Jamahal Hill 43:40 ... respect that at all.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Right, right.

Jamahal Hill 43:42 You know what I'm saying? And that's what, that was what the lesson was for me to learn there. Take from that, respect the game. Give ev- treat everybody like they're the absolute best in the world at what they do at, at everything.

Joe Rogan 43:54 He's a good guy to learn from, too, because his level on the ground is above and beyond most people's.

Jamahal Hill 44:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Above and beyond.

Jamahal Hill 44:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:02 His level off his back... I mean, he tapped out Goliath with like one second to go.

Jamahal Hill 44:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:07 I mean, he's something special off his back. If you... That guy is one of the best grapplers at 205 in the world.

Jamahal Hill 44:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:14 He's so fucking good. Like, I think Paul Craig could... He, I think if he dedicated himself, he could be a world champion at legit, like straight grappling.

Jamahal Hill 44:22 Oh, yeah. 1000, 1000%.

Joe Rogan 44:23 He's that good, he's that good. When he locks cro- triangles on people, you're like, "Oh, shit."

Jamahal Hill 44:28 Yeah. W-

Joe Rogan 44:29 "It's a triangle." I mean, it's dangerous.

Jamahal Hill 44:30 When he locked onto my arm, he was strong as shit.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Yeah, his grappling-

Jamahal Hill 44:35 Like, he grabs you just, like, desperately. Like, it's almost like-

Joe Rogan 44:37 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 44:37 ... complete desperate, like you're about to grab, like how you would grab a rope when you're about to fall off a cliff or some shit.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah, yeah.

Jamahal Hill 44:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:43 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 44:43 And then he grabbed my arm. (laughs) Like, like you don't wanna die?

Joe Rogan 44:47 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 44:47 That's how he grabbed my arm.

Joe Rogan 44:49 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 44:49 And then whenever I, whenever I, like literally, whenever I base and I try to pull my arm, if you... My arm didn't move at all.

Joe Rogan 44:55 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 44:56 Like, there was no wiggle. You know how you usually-

Joe Rogan 44:57 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 44:58 ... when you do it, you kinda, "Shit." None of that. There was no movement whatsoever.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Yeah, well some guys, when they get to the ground, they don't wanna go 100% because they don't wanna burn themselves out. But Paul Craig, like, he could close it off. He's so confident in his ability to close it off, he just cinches everything down.

Jamahal Hill 45:15 Yeah, right away.

Joe Rogan 45:16 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 45:17 Yeah. I w- And that kinda, that kinda took me by surprise. I thought he was gonna be more like of a technical, like, "Oh, this, the next step, this step, this step, whoa, this and that," try to set up. But he was strong and then he was still doing those things. So, it was good.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Did you leave that fight thinking, "Fuck, I gotta learn how to do that off my back"?

Jamahal Hill 45:34 N- No.

Joe Rogan 45:35 Not at all?

Jamahal Hill 45:35 No. Because I, I feel, I, I didn't feel like, "Oh, I, oh, my ground game was shit," or anything like that. I just felt like I fucked up by going, doing things on his terms. I let him-

Joe Rogan 45:46 Hm.

Jamahal Hill 45:46 ... dictate-

Joe Rogan 45:47 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 45:47 ... the fight. I could've, could I have beat Paul Craig on the ground even then, even that night? Yes, I could have, if we had done thing, fought the fight on my terms. You know, "I'm fighting him now. I make him sprawl desperately. Now I bang, I make it hard on him. Bang, land some shots on him."

Joe Rogan 46:03 Right.

Jamahal Hill 46:03 You know? Um, and control from there. You know, not letting him lock onto my arm and then go down to the ground with him. 'Cause when we hit the ground, it didn't, it wa- there was like... For him to pull me to the ground, for you to pull somebody to the ground, you don't know how this person's gonna land, right?

Joe Rogan 46:18 Right.

Jamahal Hill 46:18 And he doesn't know how he's gonna land. And there creates, there's c- certain space that's created with that. Because I willingly went down with him, that was not the case. I fell down into position just like he did and he was able to lock even tighter on my arm.

Joe Rogan 46:32 Hm, yeah.

Jamahal Hill 46:33 You know, just like little thi- like little things like that, like little small things that I don't think anybody else really thinks about, you know, that are huge. And I noticed them and I adjust them. That's why it was like, seemed like it's like leaps and bounds, but really it's just a small adjustment. A small realization, a small adjustment. Don't do this. Bang.

Joe Rogan 46:51 Yeah. Did, when, when that happened in that, that fight, like, we were worried about your arm.

Jamahal Hill 46:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Like, your arm got fucked up. How bad was it?

Jamahal Hill 47:01 Oh, it was, it was dislocated. It was a clean dislocation. No torn tendons, no broken bone, nothing.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Oh, that's great.

Jamahal Hill 47:06 Yeah, it was basically best case, best case scenario.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Best case scenario, for sure. Because-

Jamahal Hill 47:10 Best case scenario.

Joe Rogan 47:11 ... you, you m- go, I mean, did you ever watch, um, um, uh, when, uh, Frank Mir, uh, broke, uh-

Jamahal Hill 47:18 Tim Sylvia?

Joe Rogan 47:18 ... Tim Sylvia's arm?

Jamahal Hill 47:19 Yeah, I saw that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Oh, snapped it at the forearm, like-

Jamahal Hill 47:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Oh, shit.

Jamahal Hill 47:24 Yeah, that was nasty.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Like, that's worst case scenario.

Jamahal Hill 47:26 I thought it was broken whenever I was in the cage. So, that's why I'm not like everybody in the world, like the... I thought it was broken. Whenever I sat back, it was almost like a line you could see. Like, you know what I mean? Where it was, looked like a, just like a break across, you know. Um, but I guess not. That was just the iron. That was my (laughs) my elbow in the bone just hanging out on the other side.

Joe Rogan 47:47 Oh, Jesus.

Jamahal Hill 47:49 Yeah. So it was... And then, like, I was, like, like yeah, I was good. I went and stood up and everything. And I heard you got on my coach saying that y'all need, they needed to get me up outta here. Right? That was, that was-

Joe Rogan 47:59 What did, what did they say?

Jamahal Hill 48:00 Y- my coach. He's like, "Oh, you need to, y'all need to get him the F out."

Joe Rogan 48:03 Well, I thought it was broken.

Jamahal Hill 48:04 And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

Joe Rogan 48:04 I'm going, "You gotta get him to the hospital."

Jamahal Hill 48:05 Look, I gotta f- I had to, I had to get, I had to pay his respects for, for everything. For, now me going and standing up for the decision, that was me paying my respect back to the game. And then for, you know, just I had to do it.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 48:18 It was just something that I, that I, that I owe, that I owe to the game to do.

Joe Rogan 48:21 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 48:22 So, you know, and they, they did, they did wanna, they did want to te- immediately like, but nah. I'm like, "Nah, I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna stand here." Like-

Joe Rogan 48:28 Oh.

Jamahal Hill 48:28 ... you know? Something I had to do. You know, I had to, I had to feel that. I had to go through that, you know. And, uh, that's kinda-

Joe Rogan 48:33 It-

Jamahal Hill 48:33 ... like what that was. Even me sitting on the ground like, "All right." That was me, that was me realizing, me accepting accountability, that was me taking accountability.

Joe Rogan 48:40 There it is right there. Yeah, it does look broken, man.

Jamahal Hill 48:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 48:43 That's, that's a, a strong perspective that you have, that you just accepted that. You, you took-

Jamahal Hill 48:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:47 ... that loss like a champion. You know, that's one of the hardest things to do, is to take a loss with grace.

Jamahal Hill 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:52 ... take a loss with dignity.

Jamahal Hill 48:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:54 You know, and, and, and know that this is part of the learning process. You win or you learn, and sometimes-

Jamahal Hill 48:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:59 ... you learn when you win, and sometimes you lose, and it's a big lesson.

Jamahal Hill 49:03 Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly... And that's exactly how I approach it. I agree 1,000%. And, uh, from that, I just took that and just learned from it.

Joe Rogan 49:11 It's funny how you see, like, MMA math just doesn't work.

Jamahal Hill 49:14 Mm. Right.

Joe Rogan 49:15 It just doesn't work, 'cause like-

Jamahal Hill 49:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:16 ... you, you see Johnny Walker fights Paul Craig and takes him out early.

Jamahal Hill 49:21 Jimmy, Jimmy Crute beat Paul Craig, beat Paul Craig, and then we went and had, we went and had our fight. That was the main thing of why I was like, I was like, uh, I was happy about getting the Crute fight because he had beat Paul Craig.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 49:35 So it was like, all right, if it was this... Anyways, getting into the ground, you know, and things like that. And I really, I really wanted to go in and dominate and dominate in that fight, but I wanted to do it under my terms. I wasn't just gonna go in and let him just grapple me.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Right.

Jamahal Hill 49:47 We were gonna hit the ground, we were gonna hit the ground under my terms. And, um, you know, what happened, what happened, happened, and then, yeah, the Johnny Walker thing. But the thing was, um, and you know Paul, Paul, Paul is solid, bro, you know what I mean? Anytime, anytime me and Paul are in, in the same place, he got, he got drinking and dinner on me always.

Joe Rogan 50:07 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 50:07 You know, um, but the Volkan fight, Volkan Oezdemir fight, uh, exposed a lot. You know, it exposed a lot. Um, and it exposed that, that, that, that my man's gotta, he gotta learn how to... His wrestling, getting you to the ground, and then trusting his standup. And I'll... Honestly, I think Paul Craig has good, pretty good standup if whenever he... if he's confident and he actually trust... It's just something whenever he gets in there, he just don't trust or believe in it. You're gonna take some hits.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 50:40 You know what I'm saying? But y- he don't, he don't... He, he's gotta trust in the technique while, while still, you know what I mean, understanding that.

Joe Rogan 50:47 I think it comes from being a specialist too sometimes-

Jamahal Hill 50:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:49 ... 'cause he's a specialist on the ground.

Jamahal Hill 50:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:51 And so his standup just doesn't really feel like his thing, whereas you, you're an overall guy.

Jamahal Hill 50:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Y- you know, your striking is your strong suit, but you, you, you do everything. You don't ha-... I mean, your standup... Also, every fight starts standing up-

Jamahal Hill 51:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:05 ... which is just a big advantage for the striker.

Jamahal Hill 51:08 Right. Yeah. Huge.

Joe Rogan 51:08 Especially if you got good takedown defense. You know, like for-

Jamahal Hill 51:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:11 ... a grappler, there's this, this thing where you've gotta get this fight to the ground. And if you're standing with the guy and he just keeps chopping away at your legs and hitting you and chopping away, and every da-... And your power bar keeps going down, you're like, "Ugh."

Jamahal Hill 51:22 Mm-hmm. Yeah. I feel... But that's, but that's the thing though, just because of the sheer size of Johnny Walker, I figured that'd be a hard, that would be a hard thing f-... A hard matchup for, for Paul, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 51:34 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 51:34 ... I know Paul wants to get it to the ground.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Right.

Jamahal Hill 51:36 And I know Johnny has explosive, nasty power. I mean, look what he did to my arm just from me catching a kick.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 51:42 He did that... That wasn't him throwing a kick and then me blocking it. That wasn't him throwing a kick and I just... I was like... I just, like, caught it, like just barely, just barely tapped it and my arm swole up. You know what I mean? Like, dude's got some power.

Joe Rogan 51:55 He's got crazy power.

Jamahal Hill 51:56 Dude's got some crazy power, and I-

Joe Rogan 51:58 When he knocked out Khalil Roundtree, I was like, "Jesus."

Jamahal Hill 52:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:01 With that tight elbow.

Jamahal Hill 52:01 With that short elbow.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 52:02 That... (laughs) That was... (laughs) That was the one fight that I was worried about. If you actually look, whenever we, uh, whenever he... Whenever I first hit him and I hit him with those shots and he tried... And he grabbed me and tried to push me ag- against the cage all the way across, you see immediately where my hands went. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:19 (laughs) Right to the biceps.

Jamahal Hill 52:20 My hands went immediately to the biceps.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 52:22 Nah, we're not...

Joe Rogan 52:23 Not today.

Jamahal Hill 52:23 We're not doing... Yeah, we're not doing this.

Joe Rogan 52:25 No, it's dangerous.

Jamahal Hill 52:26 He's, he's knocked a... He's knocked a few people out with that, I believe.

Joe Rogan 52:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 52:30 He's... That's, like, one of his... That's one of them things he's nice with. Just bow, a little short elbow.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Yeah. No, he's so dangerous. That was...

Jamahal Hill 52:35 Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 52:35 That was crazy too.

Jamahal Hill 52:36 That was just... Ugh.

Joe Rogan 52:37 I mean, look how he does it so tight. Boom.

Jamahal Hill 52:40 Bow. It's good-

Joe Rogan 52:40 I mean, amazing.

Jamahal Hill 52:41 He uses... He's using leverage.

Joe Rogan 52:43 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 52:43 He's using the leverage of his height, so he's coming down and he's, he's just heavy and tall and... He just drops his weight.

Joe Rogan 52:49 When he did that celebration though, and dropped down and did the worm, blew his shoulder out. Like-

Jamahal Hill 52:53 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 52:53 ... I was like, "What happened?"

Jamahal Hill 52:55 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 52:55 Like, I remember I was interviewing him, I'm like, "Is your shoulder okay?" He's like, "No. No, it's not."

Jamahal Hill 53:00 Adrenaline was still pumping though-

Joe Rogan 53:02 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 53:02 ... so he didn't know how bad it was.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Crazy that he did that on a celebration.

Jamahal Hill 53:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:07 Destroyed his shoulder. Giant-ass scar on his shoulder now.

Jamahal Hill 53:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:10 I mean, I don't know how much that affects him still if-

Jamahal Hill 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 ... whe- whether or not he's okay. You know, 'cause fighters, they'll have, like, a thing where there's... Forever their, that arm's compromised and they're still fighting and they're still winning.

Jamahal Hill 53:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:23 But they don't have full power in that arm anymore.

Jamahal Hill 53:25 Yeah, my... It took a while for me to, uh... For, for my arm, for my arm to be all right.

Joe Rogan 53:30 Yeah, right there.

Jamahal Hill 53:30 Like fully, fully all right.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Crazy how that did it, that that falling down and doing the worm did it. Like right there...

Jamahal Hill 53:39 Oh, 'cause I slapped-

Joe Rogan 53:40 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 53:40 I slapped the...

Joe Rogan 53:41 Right there, he slapped.

Jamahal Hill 53:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 He blew his fucking left shoulder out, and n- now he's got a... Yeah, right there. Pop. And now he's got a giant fucking scar on his left shoulder.

Jamahal Hill 53:51 Just being goofy.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Yeah, people have hurt themselves doing some stupid shit.

Jamahal Hill 53:55 Who was... Didn't Terrance (laughs) ... Terrance hurt himself du- celebrating.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Did he?

Jamahal Hill 54:01 His debut. His debut when he, uh, when he knock... When he knocked out, uh... When he knocked out, uh, Favola.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Did he hurt himself?

Jamahal Hill 54:08 Bro, he jumped on the cage and hurt his knee.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Oh, that's right.

Jamahal Hill 54:12 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:12 That's right. That's right. He blew his knee out.

Jamahal Hill 54:14 Hey, we gotta th-... We gotta... We should... I think we gotta... We're gonna have-

Joe Rogan 54:17 Yeah, look at that. Uh...

Jamahal Hill 54:17 We're gonna have to do a... We might have to do a list of... We might have to do... (laughs) We're about to do-

Joe Rogan 54:22 That's so crazy.

Jamahal Hill 54:22 ... a list of that. Who... Uh, uh, injuries during celebrations.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Yeah, look at that. He's like, "Ow, I hurt my knee." That is so crazy that he did that. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. Terrance McKinney's a dangerous dude too.

Jamahal Hill 54:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 That's the guy who goes all out quick.

Jamahal Hill 54:37 He comes... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:38 He comes at you. That guy comes at you.

Jamahal Hill 54:40 Yeah. He's just gotta work a little, a little, a little more finesse 'cause that flying knee-

Joe Rogan 54:45 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 54:45 The flying knee that he gets caught with, it's just like, um... It's like a product of just... Of his instinct being just to wrestle.

Joe Rogan 54:53 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 54:53 You know what I mean? So-

Joe Rogan 54:54 Right.

Jamahal Hill 54:55 ... whenever th- ... Whenever they charge, they make a fast movement, they charge towards him and it kinda gets his head away or he doesn't see, first thing he thinks, like, "All right." He feels the momentum coming in.

Joe Rogan 55:03 ... like Ben Askren-

Jamahal Hill 55:04 ... like Duncan and the rest of them.

Joe Rogan 55:04 ... and Masvidal.

Jamahal Hill 55:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 55:06 Like that.

Joe Rogan 55:06 That instinct's hard to shake.

Jamahal Hill 55:08 It is.

Joe Rogan 55:09 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 55:10 It is. Just gotta-

Joe Rogan 55:11 That, the instinct of a specialist.

Jamahal Hill 55:12 Footwork.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 55:13 Footwork.

Joe Rogan 55:14 When you look at, like, the, the landscape in the light heavyweight division, like, what fights are intriguing for you right now?

Jamahal Hill 55:22 Like ... Intriguing in what way, right?

Joe Rogan 55:26 Intriguing like, uh, "This-"

Jamahal Hill 55:28 'Cause, like, I wanna-

Joe Rogan 55:28 "... this is the guy I wanna get in there with."

Jamahal Hill 55:30 All right. Well, that w- in that way, like, pretty much ev- pretty much everybody at the top present different challenges. You know?

Joe Rogan 55:36 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 55:36 Everybody's their own different challenge. Like, uh, I think Blachowicz would be a good, uh, good striking and mix-up challenge. Uh, Magomed's a good, um, he's a good, he's a good mix-up challenge, but I think he's gonna come more of a heavier wrestling type, um, type thing. Yuri's a striking challenge, so that'd be fun. A f- a flowing striking challenge at that-

Joe Rogan 55:55 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 55:55 ... 'cause he just flows.

Joe Rogan 55:56 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 55:57 You know, and I'm good, I'm good with flowing. I like to be creative and do things and flow too.

Joe Rogan 56:00 He's so herky-jerky. It's a very unusual way he moves.

Jamahal Hill 56:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:04 He's like, everything's like his hands are down, he's switching stances. He's like-

Jamahal Hill 56:08 Yeah, he's doing that, but I understand that, though.

Joe Rogan 56:10 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 56:10 I understand that movement. I understand that, that type of, that type of fighting. You know, just trying to be loose to be fast.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 56:16 To be fast. Be, it's like water. Be the, be water.

Joe Rogan 56:19 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 56:19 And the whole thing, like, be water, he's just trying to flow and crash. You know, just be f- loose, loose, loose, and then bang! Crash and hit.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 56:25 You know? That's, that's essentially the da- same thing that I'm doing. You know? Um, it's just, I'm a little more technical. You know, I try to stay a little more tight and I try to, uh, I try to keep more options open for myself.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 56:38 You know what I mean? If that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 56:39 So has the UFC given you some sort of a timeline on when your first defense would be?

Jamahal Hill 56:45 Hmm, no. There's, I think it's kinda hard for them to do that at the time, right?

Joe Rogan 56:48 Right.

Jamahal Hill 56:49 Just because Yuri's hurt. Magomed and Yan fought to a draw, so they don't f- like, they don't even... I don't really see them giving the title shot to one over the other. Um, Rakic is still hurt, I believe. Uh, you got, you got Smith, who, uh, who hurt his leg, and, well, technically, uh, kind of lost.

Joe Rogan 57:08 But he was supposed to be a backup, though.

Jamahal Hill 57:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:10 With you and Glover, right?

Jamahal Hill 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 But then he missed weight.

Jamahal Hill 57:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Which is the b- I don't even ... As a backup, man, I don't wanna make weight. You know?

Jamahal Hill 57:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Like, making weight for these big fellas.

Jamahal Hill 57:22 I mean, I wouldn't, you wanna get paid.

Joe Rogan 57:22 He's a big dude.

Jamahal Hill 57:23 Yeah, he's a big boy.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Like, for him to make 205 is probably quite a struggle.

Jamahal Hill 57:26 Uh, he probably should've gave him more time too.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 57:28 You know? Soon as, like, some of you are like, "Oh, he, this is the fight," and then, you know, you got him, your sh- backup fighter then, I don't think he, he knew until, like, a couple weeks later.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Oh.

Jamahal Hill 57:38 You know, so he didn't have as much time. You know?

Joe Rogan 57:42 Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. So, um, d- so do you think it'll probably be Yuri, if Yuri recovers in time?

Jamahal Hill 57:49 Yeah. If Yuri recovers in time, that guy will be... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:50 Maybe July?

Jamahal Hill 57:52 That's why I want international fight week.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Yeah, that's the big one. Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 57:55 You know what I mean? Me and h- me and Yuri, you know? Conor-

Joe Rogan 57:57 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 57:57 Conor and Chandler.

Joe Rogan 57:58 Yeah. I think Conor and Chandler-

Jamahal Hill 58:01 Nice.

Joe Rogan 58:01 ... has to happen later than that, though.

Jamahal Hill 58:03 Really?

Joe Rogan 58:03 Yeah, because, um, Conor has to enter the USADA traini- the, the, the testing pool. So I think that's six months. I think y- you have to be in that testing pool for six months before you could fight. So we, we're in February. So I don't think July would work. You know, I think, I think it's gonna take a little bit more time than that, if I'm guessing. I think they have to fight in, like, September or something. So here we are in February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September. September's seven months. I think, I think he has to be in the testing pool for six months.

Jamahal Hill 58:40 (smacks lips) Wait, what was it? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 58:41 'Cause if it-

Jamahal Hill 58:41 You gotta be at a ... You gotta be in the ... Is it six?

Joe Rogan 58:44 I, I believe it's-

Jamahal Hill 58:44 It's either six or tw- it was either six or more.

Joe Rogan 58:47 If it's more than six, that's crazy, 'cause they're hosting The Ultimate Fighter together. It makes sense that they would try to set something up, a big fight for September or October or maybe even-

Jamahal Hill 58:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:55 ... November.

Jamahal Hill 58:56 November, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:56 Madison Square Garden.

Jamahal Hill 58:57 Square N- yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Yeah, that's a big one. It might be that one. Which makes sense.

Jamahal Hill 59:02 Well, that's why it makes sense to get Sweet Dreams in there for international fight week-

Joe Rogan 59:05 Yes.

Jamahal Hill 59:05 ... so y'all can be ready for Madison Square Garden (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 59:08 The question is whether or not Yuri can recover from catastrophic shoulder injuries. Like, that's a catastrophic injury.

Jamahal Hill 59:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Like, he had major s- shoulder surgery. And, uh, I don't know exactly the extent of the injury, but I know that the UFC doctor said it was the worst shoulder injury he had ever seen. Which is a lot. I mean, that dude's seen a lot of shit.

Jamahal Hill 59:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:26 So if he says that, that's a big-

Jamahal Hill 59:28 That'd pretty bad.

Joe Rogan 59:28 ... that's a big fucking deal. So, you know-

Jamahal Hill 59:31 But-

Joe Rogan 59:31 ... shoulders are very tricky. It's such a weird joint. It moves-

Jamahal Hill 59:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:34 ... in so many different ways that an injury can, you know ... You gotta really rehabilitate that correctly, and it takes a long time.

Jamahal Hill 59:41 Yeah, I was coming off a, I was coming up ... I think I had a partial tear in my labrum, or ... Uh, c- after the Santos fight. The second round, he actually dumped me. He actually, when he got that takedown, he k- kicked me in the body and he got that takedown, he dumped me. He actually dumped me on my shoulder.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Hmm.

Jamahal Hill 59:56 So he actually, he did some, he did a little bit of damage. So I gotta understand how, how, how much it actually takes for a shoulder to, like, fully, fully heal. He, um-

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Did you have to get shou- uh, shoulder surgery?

Jamahal Hill 1:00:06 No, I didn't have to get surgery. I didn't have to get surgery or anything done on it, but it took a while for it to, for it to heal.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Just rehabilitation?

Jamahal Hill 1:00:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 Did you do stem cells?

Jamahal Hill 1:00:15 No, I just did physical therapy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 If you ever get in that situation again, get ahold of me.

Jamahal Hill 1:00:20 A'ight.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 S- we'll connect you to some stem cell places.

Jamahal Hill 1:00:23 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 You know, a lot, a lot of guys are going ... Um, uh, Kamaru just went down to Colombia. A lot of guys are going to do that, uh, bioxcellerator place down in Colombia and getting stem cells. It, it'll really help your recovery. Like, especially for injuries. It cuts the time down-

Jamahal Hill 1:00:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 ... drastically.

Jamahal Hill 1:00:38 I was just talking to some- I think somebody just came up to me and o- and offered me, they said they got a place down, somewhere down south. Um, they do like stem cells. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 We have a place to work with in Austin. We have a place, place we work with in Austin that helps a lot of-

Jamahal Hill 1:00:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 ... a lot of guys come into Austin and get stem cells here. And that's, that's gr- a great option too, if you wanna stay in the States too. But they can do stuff in other countries that they can't do in the United States. In Colombia and then, um, just a great place, uh, the CPI in Tijuana. Uh, there's a great place in Panama that Dr. Neil Riordan runs and the w- the, the laws there are different. The laws of the United States, for whatever reason, you can make-... all sorts of reasons for why they, they can't do it, none of them are good.

Jamahal Hill 1:01:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 But they, they, they have a lockdown on what you're allowed to do here in the United States, even though it's highly effective, and even though you're dealing with injured people that really should have every option-

Jamahal Hill 1:01:28 Every option, right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 ... available to them, especially when some of these options have proved- proven to be effective.

Jamahal Hill 1:01:33 Yeah, 100%. Uh, um, I'm, I'm just now learning, like, all the things that are proper things and things like that to take care of my body. That's another, uh, that's a, uh, one unfortunate things about coming in late and learning things late, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:01:46 And so, um, yeah, that's definitely one of the things I'm probably, uh, I'll end up, end up into, you know, 'cause it's just part of the job. You just- you're gonna get banged up. You're gonna have, you're gonna have things happen to you. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Yeah, you're in the destroying bodies business.

Jamahal Hill 1:01:59 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 You know? (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 1:02:01 But, yeah, the, uh, on the main thing, though, like, Yuri, Yuri ideally will be the fight that I would want.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:09 Just because I think that's, that's the, uh, that's the, that's the better sell and that's the fight that I think a lot more people wanna see. Um, I don't think people are really big on watching Magomed fight right now. Um, he's good. He's a good fighter. He's a, he's a great fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 The problem with a fu- a fight like that-

Jamahal Hill 1:02:24 He's boring.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 It's a- a fight like that, it like puts a bad taste in people's mouth.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 And it's not his fault. It's just the way they match up.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 And then, uh, the, the, you know, the, the decision, the fact it was a draw.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 'Cause I watched it again and I still don't think it was a draw, you know. Uh, it was very close. And I-

Jamahal Hill 1:02:41 Who'd you have winning?

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 I had, uh, Ankalaev winning 'cause I thought Ankalaev won the first round, although it's very close. But-

Jamahal Hill 1:02:47 I thought he did too.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 Yeah, but then, um, you gotta give credit to Bahoić for those kicks.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 'Cause he had fucked that leg up.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:53 Bad. Both of them.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 And it's g- he just goes shin to shin with dudes.

Jamahal Hill 1:02:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 He just goes, "Well, let's try it out. Let's go shin to shin. Let's see how you feel."

Jamahal Hill 1:03:01 Man, next thing you know, your legs-

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:02 ... don't work like they used to before.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Bro, that dude's dense.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 I mean, you see the power that guy carries? He must be dense as fuck. I bet his bones are just like fucking wood, you know? He's just dense. And when he goes, crack, shin to shin with guys, like, that's crazy confidence-

Jamahal Hill 1:03:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 ... of just g- k- kicking another dude in the shins. You know, there's a dude named A- Malapet is, uh-

Jamahal Hill 1:03:22 I think it's the technique, the how he does it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 M- oh, for sure, yeah, for sure, he knows the, the spot on his shin-

Jamahal Hill 1:03:27 The technique, the how he does it, the spot and then, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Yeah, but it's just very impressive that he does that. And, you know, he, he's just so good at Muay Thai and so good in, in that fight, at doing that, but then the wrestling. He got, he got taken down by the wrestling.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 But that's a great adjustment by M- Magomed. I mean, he's, he's a real world class fighter.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:46 He is. Yeah, he is. I think he's, yeah, I think he's legit. And it's just-

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 Oh, those guys from Dagestan. That is a hard spot in the world, man.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:53 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 There are some fucking killers coming out-

Jamahal Hill 1:03:55 There was.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 ... of that spot.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:56 It's, it just feel, uh, I mean, they hungry.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:03:59 I mean, they hungry and they got a lot to fight for.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 They got a lot to fight for and a lot of those guys, I think they have this advantage in that they're very religious.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 So w- with, uh, their Islamic religion, they don't drink, they don't party, no girls, no nothing, just food and training and fights. And that focus... I know, Jamal's like, "What?" (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 1:04:18 Where would I be? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 1:04:21 Where would I be?

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:24 If only, if only.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Yeah, I don't know, man.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 I think you gotta enjoy yourself a little bit.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:29 I think so too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Yeah, I mean, a lot of the greats enjoyed themselves.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:33 I mean, hey, I did all that shit, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 1:04:37 Look, look at me now.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 1:04:40 (laughs) Look at me now.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Bang, headshot. (laughs)

Jamahal Hill 1:04:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Look at me now.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:46 Shout out to Leon, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Yeah, shout out to Leon. That's a great fight, huh, the rematch?

Jamahal Hill 1:04:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Ooh, that's intriguing.

Jamahal Hill 1:04:51 I see, Leon, bro, Leon is dangerous for the same reasons as, like, I feel like, that make me great. Um, he knows what to do and when to do it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:03 Now... Yeah, he's, he's, like... Some of the things he does, the way he times it and is, like, on point, it's like an instinct. He's good, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Oh, he's good.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:15 He's really, he's really good, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 He's so good. He's one of the most impressive guys I've ever seen hitting pads. You see Leon hit pads?

Jamahal Hill 1:05:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Well, wa- pull up a video of Leon working the pads. His technique is so sharp-

Jamahal Hill 1:05:29 Sharp.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 ... so sharp and the, the fluidity of his combinations-

Jamahal Hill 1:05:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 ... you're like, "That's a, a world class striker."

Jamahal Hill 1:05:36 He's a king. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 And that setup that he did with Kamaru where he shows him the hand and then lands that left high kick.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:41 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Ooh.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:42 The kick was textbook, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 Textbook.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:44 Textbook.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Textbook.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:45 Textbook perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 I mean, you, you watch him with his, his movement and his, his pad work.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:50 See, that's just understanding where to be.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Mm-hmm. He's just-

Jamahal Hill 1:05:53 That little palm right there, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Mm-hmm.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:54 ... just understand, checking the, checking rotate, like, bro-

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Yep.

Jamahal Hill 1:05:56 ... he's just checking, understanding where to be.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 He's one of the most-

Jamahal Hill 1:05:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 ... smooth guys that's ever fought in the UFC, in terms of like-

Jamahal Hill 1:06:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 ... combinations and striking and just everything he does is perfect. His f- his technique on, in the standup is just perfect.

Jamahal Hill 1:06:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 And then, uh, the fact that he took-

Jamahal Hill 1:06:12 Even on the ground.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 ... Kamaru down, took him down the first round-

Jamahal Hill 1:06:15 Even on the ground.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 ... and got full mount. Crazy.

Jamahal Hill 1:06:17 Took his back. On s- he was on-

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 Crazy.

Jamahal Hill 1:06:19 ... his back for what?

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Yeah.

Jamahal Hill 1:06:20 I think, like, about two minutes.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Yeah, dominated that round on the ground.

Jamahal Hill 1:06:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Like, who the fuck saw that coming?

Jamahal Hill 1:06:25 That was nuts.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Yeah, it's nuts. And, you know, it's gonna be interesting to see,