JRE MMA Show #137 with Jorge Masvidal

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JMJorge Masvidal0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Looking great.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal0:13

      Thank you, sir.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Looking good.

   6. JMJorge Masvidal0:15

      War time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yup. King of Miami, what's up?

   8. JMJorge Masvidal0:17

      What's up, my brother?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      (laughs) Good to see you, man.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal0:19

       Always a fucking pleasure.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Always a pleasure to see you too, man. Bro, I've been a fan of yours since back in the day. When I saw you-

   12. JMJorge Masvidal0:25

       Strike forces.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       ... fought Bodog.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal0:27

       Bodog. Nah, damn.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Yeah. Saw you fight Yves Edwards on Bodog.

   16. JMJorge Masvidal0:30

       Yes, I did.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       I'm like, "Damn, this dude's fucking dangerous."

   18. JMJorge Masvidal0:33

       Yes, I did, man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah. You're, you're still in the game, man. It's, uh, it's, it's beautiful to see, you know? Crafty veterans.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal0:40

       Yeah, man. I, uh, attribute it a lot to, like, God with the gifts that I was born and also the training that I do. I never get too far away from the training. And another thing is that, uh, I, uh, I've kept it, like, natural for the most part. I've seen a lot of guys come in four or five years. They, they do a little bit of the enhancements and cheating-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal0:58

       ... and then tear this, break that, so these guys ain't around no more. I just feel like, um, I, one, I couldn't afford it when I was coming on any of that stuff, so I just never did it, you know? So I've always kept, like, my body more or less healthy. I've had injuries that are horrible, obviously, in combat sports, but I've always just been able to, like, heal through them. And it always, uh, one thing I've always believed in for the sport, for anybody listening, wanting to get into the sport and have longevity, is like as long as you know that every day you could learn something new from whoever it may be, you'll, you'll always be going forward. You know, the moment you think you know it all, that's it, bro, you fucked up, you know.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Mm.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal1:32

       So I've always had that mentality since I was young. And, uh, and I still have it to this day. You know, a white book could teach me something, or, like, a setup or something. Not necessarily maybe the greatest technique, but just a different way to do a technique and I, and I might be able to pull it off. So I've always, uh, stuck firm to that commitment, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       Yeah, for sure. That's very important to have that beginner's mentality. You know, what is the worst injury you've ever had?

   26. JMJorge Masvidal1:54

       Like, pain-wise? Eye poke for all of back.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       Oh, yeah.

   28. JMJorge Masvidal1:57

       I, I, uh, I shot, like, a high crotch and the guy's elbow was, like, resting on his hip and it, and he just, like, locked out and, um, it went right into my thumb. His thumb went right into my eye and I was throwing up immediately. Like, 10 seconds after I started throwing up and I couldn't... I was doing, like, the Harlem shake. I couldn't control my body. I was just shaking and throwing up, it was so much pain. After that I had to wear an eye patch for about, like, five weeks because I had double vision. So I would, like, look at you and see, like, two, three of you, and that would last for, like, five weeks. So, um, I was supposed to have surgery on it and they scheduled me for surgery. I came back in and the doctor's like, "Hey, man, um, maybe you don't need surgery. You, you did amazing healing. Like, sweating's gone down a little bit. You kind of don't need the surgery." So I was like, "Oh, let me not get the surgery," and I wore that eye patch for five weeks. That, that was the most painful injury of my life. The other ones have just been, like, uh, long-lasting injuries. Like my hand is all fucking wrecked, you know? Uh, back's pretty messed up, but I get, I get through it, you know. Cold plunge, sauna, a lot of stretching, things like that. Like they're, they're, they're... I can work through it. But the eye and the hand have been, uh, the worst probably.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       Did you break the hand?

   30. JMJorge Masvidal3:03

       No, but I've torn, like, numerous ligaments and tendons on the hand. You know, that's why my, my fingers look like they're throwing up gang signs, all crooked and stuff, you know?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JMJorge Masvidal15:00

      you know? I was ... Um, let's say I stayed up all night for whatever reason it was. I was either chasing money or chasing chicks and then I went to sleep at 4:00 AM and I woke up at 9:00 AM and I went to the gym at 10:00 and I beat everybody's ass in that room and I'm like, "I, I don't have to change nothing."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JMJorge Masvidal15:14

      You know? And I went on to beat numerous good guys, challenge for world titles outside of the UFC, and, uh, I was doing really good, so part of me was like, "This is, this is just me. I'm just this person, you know?" But that wasn't the best version of me.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JMJorge Masvidal15:27

      You know? And, like, little by little I've, I've had to, like, tear layers off me and like, "Hey, th- this is no good." And every time I've done that and I found out something maybe was holding me back, I've been able to get to, like, the next level. So, it's, uh, it's good to hear somebody like Jordan that, that addresses and is like, "Bro, you're a pussy, bro. If you can't let this go," and he tells you how it is. He's like, "This is why," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, I, I, I like it like that, like straight raw, like, "Just tell me the truth," you know? So, (smacks lips) I feel that for me personally, not just in the sports, but in, in, like, my life in general, like, finding those things that hold me back in, in many things, you know, from ... On the, on the personal side that I could bring into the professional and then it's, like ... It makes all the sense in the world, you know? Like, let's say I stop eating Domino's pizza now for like a month or, or whatever junk food I was, like, binging on and then I see, like, results and stuff, it's like, "Man, I just gotta change my whole lifestyle." Not just before the fight, but year round, you know? And those are ... Tho- those are the things where I, like, struggle and I've been working on a lot, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:20

      That's the problem, I think, with really talented guys is that you can kinda get away without being disciplined.

   7. JMJorge Masvidal16:26

      Yeah. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      And you don't realize that if you were disciplined, you'd be one of the greats.

   9. JMJorge Masvidal16:31

      Yeah. And, and it's like I, I have the discipline to make it to the gym under three hours of sleep or 10 hours of sleep. I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it to the practices. The coach is always gonna check my name off. I'm always just gonna show up to practice. But was it the fucking absolute best version of me showing up to that practice? Many times not, especially when I was younger, man. And just because in that room, whatever particular room I was in, I was always, like, a standout or one of the better guys. I was like, "Bro, I don't gotta change nothing, bro." And then, you know, that hits you.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       I remember there was a video that the UFC put out. I think the UFC put it out. It was you w- younger you just playing video games all night.

   11. JMJorge Masvidal17:04

       Uh-huh.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       And just, like-

   13. JMJorge Masvidal17:05

       Definitely. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       And everybody was, like, laughing about this just-

   15. JMJorge Masvidal17:07

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       That's what he does.

   17. JMJorge Masvidal17:09

       Yeah. And, you know, since young, since I wanna say, like, 17 years old, I started sleeping, like, five hours a day just because I, I couldn't get more than that. I'd lay in bed. I could go to sleep at 10:00 AM and I'd just wake up, like, at 5:00, 6:00 AM wired, so I started pushing those boundaries. Like, well, then I'd go to sleep at 3:00 in the morning. I'd wake up at, like, 9:00 just fine. I woke up at 10:00 fine and I did that for a large part and I felt good, you know? But with age, though, can't do that no more.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Right.

   19. JMJorge Masvidal17:35

       Nowadays I get, like, my five cycles of an hour and a half at least minimum, you know? If not, I, I feel it nowadays, you know? And this started happening to me when I was, like, 34, 35. Like, it took a while for it to hit me. Now sleep is top three priority for me. It never used to be. It used to be like, "I'll take a nap if I'm that tired," or something like that. Nowadays it's like, "Man, I, I need my good sleep if I'm gonna get a good workout in," you know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       Yeah, it's good that you're aware of that, and some people never learn that lesson. Sleep is everything. It is everything. Your body recovers during sleep and also your mind recovers. I mean, to ... Just to know that you're well-rested when you're getting up and getting through the day, you just know you got a full battery.

   21. JMJorge Masvidal18:14

       It ... I didn't ... I never even believed in that. I was like, "Man, that's just motherfuckers being pussies, bro."

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:18

       (laughs)

   23. JMJorge Masvidal18:18

       "What do you need? What do you mean you need eight hours of sleep? What you need is sleep when you die."

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       (laughs)

   25. JMJorge Masvidal18:22

       That used to be, like, a common thing, you know? Everybody around me would all say like, "Well, sleeping is for the birds and for dead people." And I really, like, kinda just embodied that. Like, "Man, I, I don't need sleep to go training." Now it's the complete opposite. I'm trying to clock in as many hours on a consistent basis leading up. But this is not just now for this fight camp, I've been, I've been trying to implement that for, like, the last two years of my life, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:41

       Well, I think that something that f- you know, it's, it's a part of what makes fighters great, is they have that incredible confidence, and they don't give a fuck, and they think they're different.

   27. JMJorge Masvidal18:50

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:50

       You know, it's-

   29. JMJorge Masvidal18:51

       Harold Guilty? (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       ... it's all the great... Yeah, a little bit of that. I mean, look at it, that's Jon Jones in a nutshell, right?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   And he's got special…

   1. JMJorge Masvidal30:00

      round three, round four, he starts to fucking just ... He's dialed in. He's slipping. Pow, pow, pow. Like ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      And he's got special power too.

   3. JMJorge Masvidal30:06

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      His power is special.

   5. JMJorge Masvidal30:07

      And he's mean too as well, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Oh yeah.

   7. JMJorge Masvidal30:08

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Mean is a big part of it, isn't it?

   9. JMJorge Masvidal30:11

      Yeah. I think, I think having that dog, being mean is, like, the biggest part in it, you know?

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       Really?

   11. JMJorge Masvidal30:16

       In, in being a fighter. Yeah. You, you ... Because you could be, you could be a great athlete. One day, you're gonna come across another great athlete, you know, it's who's got more dog in them?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Do you think Wonderboy is mean? I think he's secretly mean.

   13. JMJorge Masvidal30:28

       He has to be. You know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       (laughs)

   15. JMJorge Masvidal30:29

       Uh, he's very, very, very competitive, you know? He's the nicest dude-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Yeah.

   17. JMJorge Masvidal30:33

       ... that I've ... One of the coolest guys and a, and a for real nice guy. Like, I've met him numerous times off camera, just me and him chilling. And the dude's genuinely, like, a good dude, you know? But once he gets in there, he's, like, he's hypercompetitive. He wants to win at all costs. He's gonna put himself at harm's risk to make sure he gets that W, man. I've always, I've always liked Wonderboy, man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       I couldn't believe Kevin Holland decided to have a kickboxing fight with him. I couldn't believe Ke- Kevin Holland, they made a deal, no going to the ground.

   19. JMJorge Masvidal30:58

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       He's like, "Let's just stand up." Like, what are you saying?

   21. JMJorge Masvidal31:01

       Yeah, but I, I don't think Holland was gonna take him down anyways, to be honest.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Well, I think he would try. I mean, Holland is a-

   23. JMJorge Masvidal31:06

       Holland would have been worse too.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       ... fantastic jiu-jitsu guy. Holland's got-

   25. JMJorge Masvidal31:09

       Yeah, but the wrestling. The wrestling is a ...

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Yeah.

   27. JMJorge Masvidal31:10

       And that is, like, one of the things that drains people, you know? He might have got stopped earlier if he went for a takedown and-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Yeah.

   29. JMJorge Masvidal31:16

       I think that's kind of what hurt Izzy in the, the Pereira fight, putting those takedowns up there. It takes a lot of gas. If you, if you haven't been doing that for a lifetime, wrestling is one of the most draining things for the energy tank.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Mm-hmm. Without a doubt. I think with Izzy though, like, he talked about that left leg getting compromised, the calf kicks.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh, okay. I, I…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      scuba diving and gets down in these caves-

   2. JMJorge Masvidal45:02

      Oh, okay. I, I thought you were, like, jumping out of caves into water.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      No, no.

   4. JMJorge Masvidal45:07

      Okay. Oh, wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah, so they, they... Something happened-

   6. JMJorge Masvidal45:09

      That scares the fuck out of me, bro.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Oh, fuck all that, dude. Fuck. That.

   8. JMJorge Masvidal45:14

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      But Donald likes to do shit that's scary as fuck.

   10. JMJorge Masvidal45:16

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:16

       That's what he likes to do. And he, he almost lost his life doing it. It was a crazy story. And when he's telling it, you're like, your hands are sweating. Even though I knew he was alive, I knew he was okay, I'm like, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God."

   12. JMJorge Masvidal45:29

       I, I do a lot of swimming, um, for preparation of the fights, just to develop my lungs better, and we do a lot of, like, underwaters, down and back, and I fucking hate that shit, bro.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       There's nothing scarier than running out of air in the fucking ocean.

   14. JMJorge Masvidal45:41

       And then especially... I'm, I'm just, like, three feet under the water, so at any moment I could get to my feet and push up, you know? And it's over. No matter how fucking close to death I might have thought I was, you know, it's over. It's, like, to be 20, 30, 100 feet under the water? (inhales deeply) Not me, dog.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       (exhales sharply)

   16. JMJorge Masvidal45:57

       Not me.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Not me. Not me. I g- I appreciate it, but not me. I'll pass.

   18. JMJorge Masvidal46:02

       I'll pass, too, brother.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       Yeah.

   20. JMJorge Masvidal46:03

       Who you got? Pettis or Roy Jones, before we move on?

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Well, I wanna... I mean, I've never seen Pettis box. He obviously has hands.

   22. JMJorge Masvidal46:08

       Right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       He knocked out Wonderboy.

   24. JMJorge Masvidal46:09

       And he looks in great fucking shape, too, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Yeah. Well, it's a great opportunity-

   26. JMJorge Masvidal46:12

       He looks in great shape.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       ... for him, too.

   28. JMJorge Masvidal46:13

       I've gotten to see a little bit of sparring matches between, uh, like, him and Caleb and a couple other guys.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JMJorge Masvidal46:18

       He looks pretty damn good. Uh, one thing he's always had is speed and power, I think.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:00:44

   Yeah. …

   1. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:00

      36, something like that. So that, that's why I really like this matchup because Roy's, Roy's got all this boxing experience, but youth, as we know, is youth, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Yeah.

   3. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:09

      He could pull off anything with youth. That arrogance, that fucking, that bravado that youth brings. So, I mean, fuck, bro. I'm pumped. I, I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      I'm pumped.

   5. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:18

      Fu- I don't know who gets it, bro.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      Yeah, I don't know who gets it either.

   7. JMJorge Masvidal1:00:20

      I'm, I'm leaning towards Roy, obviously conventional wisdom, but youth is youth, man.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      Youth is youth, and Pettis can crack. I- he did fight lighter, you know, when you really think about it. I mean, Pettis has fought at welterweight, which is 170, in boxing, 47, but i- he fought at 170 and Roy was the best ever at 75, so it's ... You know, it's interesting. He was the best ever at 68 too.

Episode duration: 2:53:26