JRE MMA Show #137 with Jorge Masvidal

Jorge Masvidal 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

Joe Rogan 0:13 Looking great.

Jorge Masvidal 0:13 Thank you, sir.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Looking good.

Jorge Masvidal 0:15 War time.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yup. King of Miami, what's up?

Jorge Masvidal 0:17 What's up, my brother?

Joe Rogan 0:18 (laughs) Good to see you, man.

Jorge Masvidal 0:19 Always a fucking pleasure.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Always a pleasure to see you too, man. Bro, I've been a fan of yours since back in the day. When I saw you-

Jorge Masvidal 0:25 Strike forces.

Joe Rogan 0:26 ... fought Bodog.

Jorge Masvidal 0:27 Bodog. Nah, damn.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Yeah. Saw you fight Yves Edwards on Bodog.

Jorge Masvidal 0:30 Yes, I did.

Joe Rogan 0:31 I'm like, "Damn, this dude's fucking dangerous."

Jorge Masvidal 0:33 Yes, I did, man.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Yeah. You're, you're still in the game, man. It's, uh, it's, it's beautiful to see, you know? Crafty veterans.

Jorge Masvidal 0:40 Yeah, man. I, uh, attribute it a lot to, like, God with the gifts that I was born and also the training that I do. I never get too far away from the training. And another thing is that, uh, I, uh, I've kept it, like, natural for the most part. I've seen a lot of guys come in four or five years. They, they do a little bit of the enhancements and cheating-

Joe Rogan 0:58 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 0:58 ... and then tear this, break that, so these guys ain't around no more. I just feel like, um, I, one, I couldn't afford it when I was coming on any of that stuff, so I just never did it, you know? So I've always kept, like, my body more or less healthy. I've had injuries that are horrible, obviously, in combat sports, but I've always just been able to, like, heal through them. And it always, uh, one thing I've always believed in for the sport, for anybody listening, wanting to get into the sport and have longevity, is like as long as you know that every day you could learn something new from whoever it may be, you'll, you'll always be going forward. You know, the moment you think you know it all, that's it, bro, you fucked up, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Mm.

Jorge Masvidal 1:32 So I've always had that mentality since I was young. And, uh, and I still have it to this day. You know, a white book could teach me something, or, like, a setup or something. Not necessarily maybe the greatest technique, but just a different way to do a technique and I, and I might be able to pull it off. So I've always, uh, stuck firm to that commitment, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:47 Yeah, for sure. That's very important to have that beginner's mentality. You know, what is the worst injury you've ever had?

Jorge Masvidal 1:54 Like, pain-wise? Eye poke for all of back.

Joe Rogan 1:57 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 1:57 I, I, uh, I shot, like, a high crotch and the guy's elbow was, like, resting on his hip and it, and he just, like, locked out and, um, it went right into my thumb. His thumb went right into my eye and I was throwing up immediately. Like, 10 seconds after I started throwing up and I couldn't... I was doing, like, the Harlem shake. I couldn't control my body. I was just shaking and throwing up, it was so much pain. After that I had to wear an eye patch for about, like, five weeks because I had double vision. So I would, like, look at you and see, like, two, three of you, and that would last for, like, five weeks. So, um, I was supposed to have surgery on it and they scheduled me for surgery. I came back in and the doctor's like, "Hey, man, um, maybe you don't need surgery. You, you did amazing healing. Like, sweating's gone down a little bit. You kind of don't need the surgery." So I was like, "Oh, let me not get the surgery," and I wore that eye patch for five weeks. That, that was the most painful injury of my life. The other ones have just been, like, uh, long-lasting injuries. Like my hand is all fucking wrecked, you know? Uh, back's pretty messed up, but I get, I get through it, you know. Cold plunge, sauna, a lot of stretching, things like that. Like they're, they're, they're... I can work through it. But the eye and the hand have been, uh, the worst probably.

Joe Rogan 3:02 Did you break the hand?

Jorge Masvidal 3:03 No, but I've torn, like, numerous ligaments and tendons on the hand. You know, that's why my, my fingers look like they're throwing up gang signs, all crooked and stuff, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:11 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 3:11 But yeah, that, that's been, like, uh, one of the more lagging ones. And the knees and stuff, you know, you know how the sport is.

Joe Rogan 3:16 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 3:16 Pulling on your joints, meniscus tear here, ACL there. But those, uh, I've been able to rehab and work through them. They, they suck, like, when I'm running or, like, on a cold day, but it, it's nothing that I can't work through. The, the hand is like sometimes I gotta just give it a pause, like a week I can't throw my right hand, I just gotta use my left and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 3:31 I remember when you got a meniscus injury and I was worried about that, but you just rehabbed it?

Jorge Masvidal 3:36 Just rehab, man. I, uh, I, I don't really like surgery, you know. And I, and I've talked to a lot of other athletes that did do, like, uh, the meniscus repair and then it tore again and then they-

Joe Rogan 3:47 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 3:47 ... were out for, like, six months. I was like, "Nah, it's not gonna be me." So I've always focused on, like, rehab, get whoever's the best rehab person around at that time that I could find for that particular injury and just get to work. And if after some time I'm, I'm not seeing any gains then maybe I'll try some other stuff. And there's so many advances in the medical field now, like the stem cell, that, that's helped me out tremendously with my knees, giving me a full range of motion to be able to, like, squat all the way down. I, I was having trouble, like, breaking parallel. Once I'd have a little bit of weight on my back I'd just feel crazy tension on my knees. Since the stem cell I got, like, a full range of motion back on my knees, you know.

Joe Rogan 4:19 That's beautiful.

Jorge Masvidal 4:20 The hand as well.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Where did you go to get the stem cells?

Jorge Masvidal 4:23 The UFC sent me up for, for my hand. I went to California and, uh, it was freaking amazing. It was right after the Nate Diaz fight. Uh, both my hands were jacked and on, and on one of the, the blows that I hit Nate with, I hit him in the top of the head, and you could see it on the video, my hand folded. It just kind of had, like, shitty technique for that one punch. And, um, I couldn't even wipe my ass, I, I swear to you, bro. The, the, the pain that I had, it was just... I couldn't bend it in like that. I did the stem cells, three weeks later I was like, "Holy smokes, this is insane." And, um, and my knees and hands I did it in, uh, down in Colombia at BioXcellerator.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 4:57 That was freaking a great time too. They took care-

Joe Rogan 4:58 That's the way to go. When you can go to those, uh, other countries, whether it's Panama or Colombia or they do it in Tijuana now too, it's like they can do shit that you can't-

Jorge Masvidal 5:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:07 ... do in America.

Jorge Masvidal 5:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:08 They just load you up.

Jorge Masvidal 5:09 You get the full spectrum over there, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:11 Yeah. And you just... Fucking heals everything.

Jorge Masvidal 5:13 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:13 It's incredible.

Jorge Masvidal 5:14 It's, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:14 And it's great for stuff that you don't even know is wrong, you know?

Jorge Masvidal 5:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:16 It's great for just overall longevity and body healing.

Jorge Masvidal 5:19 I've heard they, uh... I haven't done them because you know how

Joe Rogan 5:21 Hey, Joe.

Jorge Masvidal 5:21 ... Usada's with us, but I've heard about the IV, uh, stem cells as well, they're freaking great for you as well.

Joe Rogan 5:26 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's incredible.

Jorge Masvidal 5:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 It sucks that, you know, the IV thing is an issue. But, you know. It's, uh... I mean, you don't cut a ton of weight. I mean, you used to fight at 55 and at 70.

Jorge Masvidal 5:36 Not, not at 75. Yeah, 55 I, I was a ton of weight, a ton of water weight, because I, my, my body fa... I lived a different life there. Very strict diet for, like, I had to... Once I turned, like, 25, 26, I had to have, like, proper notice. Like nine weeks' notice to get myself in shape to come in on fight week at, like, 174 to drop down to 156. And right around, like, 172, 173, I was 5% body fat already. So it was, it was just straight water and it was fucking torturous. And then, um, Usada, when I decided to move up, Usada came in the game and outlawed the IVs for us, right? So I was like, "There's no way I can make 155." And that's when I made my move to 70.

Joe Rogan 6:13 But it's been phenomenal for you at 70. I think-

Jorge Masvidal 6:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:16 You're better at 70. I really think-

Jorge Masvidal 6:18 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 6:18 ... because you're just stronger and healthier.

Jorge Masvidal 6:20 For sure. I, I didn't have the pop, um...... at 155 after I turned 26, 27, which usually a man loses his strength and power at the end of his career, you know. And it was, like, a month before the fight, I'd be hurting people in sparring. As I got nearer to the fight, I just, I didn't have that electricity, that pow, pow, you know?

Joe Rogan 6:38 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 6:38 So, I really started to, like, "Man, fuck," you know? It's, uh, it's something I'm gonna have to do, and it was in the back of my mind. But I would always work out with 70-pounders and, um, like, 45-pounders. At American Top Team, we had a lot of sandbags at 155, so I, I would work out with them as well, but I was like, "We might have to cross paths." So I, I didn't make it, like, my main staple to work out with those guys. So, I knew that there was a strength level difference at me at 170, but I knew I could hurt those guys when I touched 'em, you know, every time. So I, I, I knew if I could work on my strength gains and get a little size, I'd be all right at 70.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Oh, well, look at the Darren Till knockout.

Jorge Masvidal 7:09 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 7:10 I mean, that was fucking phenomenal.

Jorge Masvidal 7:11 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 7:13 Yeah, I mean, I, I wonder how many fighters are cutting their career short by dehydrating the shit out of themselves.

Jorge Masvidal 7:18 It, it's, it's rough. You know, when you're young, you get away with it, always. Your body, you could get run over by a truck and you wake up the next day. But there comes a point where you kinda just lose that, you know? And I don't care how young you are, your, your chin, once you cut over, like, 12, 13, 14 pounds of water, your chin and legs-

Joe Rogan 7:33 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 7:34 ... take a massive hit, I feel like.

Joe Rogan 7:36 Yeah, that's why I'm amazed that-

Jorge Masvidal 7:37 Reflexes, too.

Joe Rogan 7:38 ... that Pereira, who's, uh, walks around b- like, 40 pounds heavier than 185, I mean, he's fucking huge.

Jorge Masvidal 7:45 Yeah, yeah. But usually, the big boys also could have more, more water to, to release-

Joe Rogan 7:49 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 7:49 ... you know, the 205ers, the 85ers, the heavyweights. But yeah, that guy's massive. I've seen pictures of him off-season, I'm like, "Holy smokes, he looks like a fucking small heavyweight at times."

Joe Rogan 7:57 When he gets into the octagon at 185, you can't believe he ever weighed 185.

Jorge Masvidal 8:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:02 He's so fucking big.

Jorge Masvidal 8:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:03 It's a giant advantage, but I wonder how long he can do that. He's like 34 now, you know?

Jorge Masvidal 8:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:08 I wonder, I wonder how long his body's gonna allow him to dehydrate the shit out of himself like that.

Jorge Masvidal 8:13 Yeah, it, it catches up, I think, man.

Joe Rogan 8:14 Yeah. Well, he's already talked about going to 205.

Jorge Masvidal 8:17 Nice.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Um, so you got a big fight coming up. You're mid-camp.

Jorge Masvidal 8:20 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 8:21 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 8:21 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 8:21 Thanks for coming down, man.

Jorge Masvidal 8:22 Hell yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 8:24 So, uh, Gilbert, that's a good fight.

Jorge Masvidal 8:26 It's a great fight, man. Um, I th- I think, uh, wrestling's not that good, so I know I could negate him on the wrestling takedowns and just keep his stand-up. In stand-up, he makes a lot of mistakes constantly, I, I feel, you know, just looking at it from a striker's point of view. I, I feel he's like tailor-made for, for me to give him a fucking left hook to the jaw and end his night, you know?

Joe Rogan 8:48 Yeah. Well, it's an exciting fight, and Gilbert's a fucking dangerous man. So, it's, it's... And it's the co-main event in Miami. It's gonna be wild.

Jorge Masvidal 8:56 20-

Joe Rogan 8:56 I'm so excited.

Jorge Masvidal 8:56 ... 20 years I ain't been to Miami.

Joe Rogan 8:58 Woo. That's gonna be wild. Just the moment when you get into that fucking octagon, the pop that you get-

Jorge Masvidal 9:03 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 9:03 ... it's gonna be insane.

Jorge Masvidal 9:04 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 9:05 In Miami, woo.

Jorge Masvidal 9:06 In Miami, in Miami.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Woo.

Jorge Masvidal 9:08 And, and forever the, the road has been my home, so I've always felt comfortable. Like, "Okay, we're gonna f- fight Abu Dhabi, fight Ireland, cool. We're gonna fight California, Texas." Cool. It's, I, I've always felt great. So definitely, he's gonna be, like, a little bit more added pressure, a little different being in my actual home, you know? I've always-

Joe Rogan 9:26 But you're gonna wake up in your own bed.

Jorge Masvidal 9:27 I'm gonna wake up in my own bed, that is true. I'm gonna take a drive from my house to the arena in my car. You know, it's, it's all gonna be like...

Joe Rogan 9:33 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 9:34 Like if I'm going to sparring, but little bit more added chips to it, you know?

Joe Rogan 9:38 For sure, for sure. Yeah, it's, uh, it's an exciting time for the welterweight division, too. You know, with you having that, uh, beef with Leon, and Leon now having retained the title. And they're talking about Colby, but I feel like with a good showing against Gilbert-

Jorge Masvidal 9:55 Oh, skip Colby's bitch-ass right away.

Joe Rogan 9:55 ... you, you skip the line (laughs) .

Jorge Masvidal 9:57 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 9:57 Yeah, it becomes-

Jorge Masvidal 9:58 And Leon wants it, you know, more than anything.

Joe Rogan 10:00 For sure.

Jorge Masvidal 10:00 He, he wants it more than anything. Ju- just for the history that we have, and also, we're gonna sell the most pay-per-views if, if me and him are in that cage, and-

Joe Rogan 10:06 It'll sell a lot.

Jorge Masvidal 10:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 It'll sell a lot.

Jorge Masvidal 10:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:09 It'll be a big fight. It's gonna be a gigantic fight. What did you think about the rematch, the, the rubber fight with, uh, Leon and Kamaru?

Jorge Masvidal 10:16 Uh, little lackluster, you know. And, um, eh, Usman, uh, maybe, like, there, there was times where I, I didn't see him, like, stepping on the gas like he usually does, you know? And it might've been 'cause he just took this fight too early. I, I always think that when a fighter gets knocked out, you, you really... You know, and I got this from, like, the old-timers in boxing, you need to really let your brain and your confidence, like, heal and come back, you know? 'Cause then you get back in, and you get touched, and you're like, "Whoa, I'm, I might get knocked out."

Joe Rogan 10:41 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 10:41 And you pull the, the, the breaks, and you start, like, you know, maybe second-guessing yourself. So, I think maybe he took it a little bit too early, you know? I, I do think that, uh, he's the, in a way, better fighter than, than Leon in a lot of aspects. But Leon just has his number, it seems, right now.

Joe Rogan 10:55 But Leon was also super confident coming into that fight. You know, I feel like once a guy becomes a- the champion, they, they gain confidence and they gain ability 'cause they just have this understanding-

Jorge Masvidal 11:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 ... of what they're, they're capable of doing.

Jorge Masvidal 11:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:10 And the fact that it was in England, and it was, it was, it's-

Jorge Masvidal 11:14 And he had the title.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 11:15 And he knocked him out, so it's like-

Joe Rogan 11:17 Yeah, all the above.

Jorge Masvidal 11:17 ... you know, a lot of, a lot of factors.

Joe Rogan 11:19 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 11:19 You just don't know how a guy's gonna come back after his first KO loss. And it was a, it was a battle, it was a brutal one. Usman was down for a bit.

Joe Rogan 11:25 How long after the Kamaru fight did you take off?

Jorge Masvidal 11:27 Uh, close to, like, eight to nine months almost. Maybe, maybe even longer, you know? All, all my coaches wanted me. Plus, um, it was like the first KO of my career, you know? So, more so on, like... Not, not my body was already healed, my brain, but they wanted to make sure that my mind was right, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:43 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 11:44 It was-

Joe Rogan 11:44 How long did it take you to get over it?

Jorge Masvidal 11:46 Um, I still haven't got over it, brother. I, I wanna fucking rip Usman's fucking-

Joe Rogan 11:51 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 11:51 ... brains out, you know? Nothing personal to that.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 11:53 I just wanna get back in there and, and do it to him, you know? I, I've never been knocked down, and I've fought a lot. You know, we were talking about it earlier, Yves Edwards. Like, I've fought great strikers, you know, and they never even ca- came close to knocking me out. And it's not to diss Usman, but he's not... I don't put him in the league of one of these great strikers. He's a great fighter 'cause he could do a lot of things well, but I- after fighting him the first time and getting his best shots, and I cut 20 pounds of water and I took the fight in six-day notice, and I went to Abu Dhabi. I was like, "Bro, this guy will never hurt me." Like, he, he hits like a bitch, and then all of a sudden, he's the dude that knocks me out. And I had five rounds with him. So for, in that, I think it was nine months since the first fight-That he gained that type of power is just n- nuts to me, you know? It was, like, unreal, unnatural, you know? 'Cause I, I felt his fucking best punches in the first fight for five rounds and never hurt me, never, like, w- shook me up good, you know? (inhales) And then boom, surprise hit in the second fight.

Joe Rogan 12:46 So, do you think it was, uh, a matter of you not respecting his power? As ... Or ... And, on top of that, him just getting better?

Jorge Masvidal 12:54 I, I always respect anybody who has two hands and two feet, so it's not like I'm, um, trying to do the touch me in the chin and I'll give a shot to take a shot. Definitely caught me by surprise when, when he, when he started to load up, I kinda saw, like, the back of his head, so I thought for sure he was gonna shoot, so I start to, like, drop my hands and I notice, like, midway, oh, it's a right hand. I try to check hook him, but it's too late already that the right hand had already penetrated the force field and took my ass out, you know?

Joe Rogan 13:19 (laughs) Yeah. It's, uh ... It's a moment that happens to many fighters and it defines who they are how they bounce back from it.

Jorge Masvidal 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:28 You know?

Jorge Masvidal 13:28 Oh, and I'm coming, I'm, I'm coming strong, man. I feel, um, my mind after that fight maybe, uh ... I, I'm not even gonna lie, I went into, like, a dark place for a while 'cause I ... Like I said, I'd never been knocked out. It was just fucking nuts to me. Like, "Bro, this guy's the one that fucking literally knocked me out." Like, I was out cold. It wasn't like a ... Like, "You stopped it early," nothing. I knew in my heart of hearts this guy fucking knocked me out and for me to, to think Usman's the one that knocked me out, I never would've betted that this guy would knock me out. So, it, uh, it affected me, bro, bad. You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 13:59 Do you ever go to a sports psychologist?

Jorge Masvidal 14:02 Um, I just listen to Jordan Peterson a lot on YouTube, man.

Joe Rogan 14:06 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 14:06 That's my dude right there for many, many years. I, I've never got the chance-

Joe Rogan 14:08 Have you ever met him?

Jorge Masvidal 14:09 I haven't got the chance, but I'm actually, um ... By coincidence, he's in Florida April 9th, and I'm, like, doing everything in my power to make sure that I'm there, like, right after my fight. I'm gonna go. He's gonna have a, a conference down in, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:22 I'll connect you guys.

Jorge Masvidal 14:23 Oh, hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Yeah, yeah, I'll connect you guys.

Jorge Masvidal 14:25 Oh, yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 14:25 For sure. He's a great guy.

Jorge Masvidal 14:26 He's gonna be in Florida, so I was like, "Bro, I, I gotta go there." I just wanna sit in the crowd and listen to this dude. I've been listening to him for years on, like, YouTube and stuff. And I listen to a lot of motivational speakers and stuff. Uh, sports psychologists, I've never really, like, seen one personally, but I'm sure it would help, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:40 Yeah. Um, it, it certainly can help, but Jordan is essentially giving you sport psychology. He's giving you, like, life lessons.

Jorge Masvidal 14:48 Oh, yeah. And, and not just sports. I think, um, for, for me, i- I have, like, a lot of bad habits that I had from, like, growing up, you know, in, in the way that I did that I took into the pro world and, uh, I was still succeeding, you know? I was ... Um, let's say I stayed up all night for whatever reason it was. I was either chasing money or chasing chicks and then I went to sleep at 4:00 AM and I woke up at 9:00 AM and I went to the gym at 10:00 and I beat everybody's ass in that room and I'm like, "I, I don't have to change nothing."

Joe Rogan 15:14 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 15:14 You know? And I went on to beat numerous good guys, challenge for world titles outside of the UFC, and, uh, I was doing really good, so part of me was like, "This is, this is just me. I'm just this person, you know?" But that wasn't the best version of me.

Joe Rogan 15:27 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 15:27 You know? And, like, little by little I've, I've had to, like, tear layers off me and like, "Hey, th- this is no good." And every time I've done that and I found out something maybe was holding me back, I've been able to get to, like, the next level. So, it's, uh, it's good to hear somebody like Jordan that, that addresses and is like, "Bro, you're a pussy, bro. If you can't let this go," and he tells you how it is. He's like, "This is why," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, I, I, I like it like that, like straight raw, like, "Just tell me the truth," you know? So, (smacks lips) I feel that for me personally, not just in the sports, but in, in, like, my life in general, like, finding those things that hold me back in, in many things, you know, from ... On the, on the personal side that I could bring into the professional and then it's, like ... It makes all the sense in the world, you know? Like, let's say I stop eating Domino's pizza now for like a month or, or whatever junk food I was, like, binging on and then I see, like, results and stuff, it's like, "Man, I just gotta change my whole lifestyle." Not just before the fight, but year round, you know? And those are ... Tho- those are the things where I, like, struggle and I've been working on a lot, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:20 That's the problem, I think, with really talented guys is that you can kinda get away without being disciplined.

Jorge Masvidal 16:26 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:26 And you don't realize that if you were disciplined, you'd be one of the greats.

Jorge Masvidal 16:31 Yeah. And, and it's like I, I have the discipline to make it to the gym under three hours of sleep or 10 hours of sleep. I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it to the practices. The coach is always gonna check my name off. I'm always just gonna show up to practice. But was it the fucking absolute best version of me showing up to that practice? Many times not, especially when I was younger, man. And just because in that room, whatever particular room I was in, I was always, like, a standout or one of the better guys. I was like, "Bro, I don't gotta change nothing, bro." And then, you know, that hits you.

Joe Rogan 16:57 I remember there was a video that the UFC put out. I think the UFC put it out. It was you w- younger you just playing video games all night.

Jorge Masvidal 17:04 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:04 And just, like-

Jorge Masvidal 17:05 Definitely. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 And everybody was, like, laughing about this just-

Jorge Masvidal 17:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:08 That's what he does.

Jorge Masvidal 17:09 Yeah. And, you know, since young, since I wanna say, like, 17 years old, I started sleeping, like, five hours a day just because I, I couldn't get more than that. I'd lay in bed. I could go to sleep at 10:00 AM and I'd just wake up, like, at 5:00, 6:00 AM wired, so I started pushing those boundaries. Like, well, then I'd go to sleep at 3:00 in the morning. I'd wake up at, like, 9:00 just fine. I woke up at 10:00 fine and I did that for a large part and I felt good, you know? But with age, though, can't do that no more.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 17:35 Nowadays I get, like, my five cycles of an hour and a half at least minimum, you know? If not, I, I feel it nowadays, you know? And this started happening to me when I was, like, 34, 35. Like, it took a while for it to hit me. Now sleep is top three priority for me. It never used to be. It used to be like, "I'll take a nap if I'm that tired," or something like that. Nowadays it's like, "Man, I, I need my good sleep if I'm gonna get a good workout in," you know?

Joe Rogan 17:57 Yeah, it's good that you're aware of that, and some people never learn that lesson. Sleep is everything. It is everything. Your body recovers during sleep and also your mind recovers. I mean, to ... Just to know that you're well-rested when you're getting up and getting through the day, you just know you got a full battery.

Jorge Masvidal 18:14 It ... I didn't ... I never even believed in that. I was like, "Man, that's just motherfuckers being pussies, bro."

Joe Rogan 18:18 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 18:18 "What do you need? What do you mean you need eight hours of sleep? What you need is sleep when you die."

Joe Rogan 18:22 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 18:22 That used to be, like, a common thing, you know? Everybody around me would all say like, "Well, sleeping is for the birds and for dead people." And I really, like, kinda just embodied that. Like, "Man, I, I don't need sleep to go training." Now it's the complete opposite. I'm trying to clock in as many hours on a consistent basis leading up. But this is not just now for this fight camp, I've been, I've been trying to implement that for, like, the last two years of my life, you know?

Joe Rogan 18:41 Well, I think that something that f- you know, it's, it's a part of what makes fighters great, is they have that incredible confidence, and they don't give a fuck, and they think they're different.

Jorge Masvidal 18:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 You know, it's-

Jorge Masvidal 18:51 Harold Guilty? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:51 ... it's all the great... Yeah, a little bit of that. I mean, look at it, that's Jon Jones in a nutshell, right?

Jorge Masvidal 18:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:56 I mean, Jon- I mean, the fun- one of the funniest fucking lines ever was when Jon was talking to DC at the press conference. He goes like, "I beat you when I was doing coke." (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 19:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:04 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 19:04 A whole night, a weekend of cocaine or something like that.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 19:06 That- that guy's just like... You talk about uber talent, that guy is like next-

Joe Rogan 19:10 On another level.

Jorge Masvidal 19:11 ... next level shit, man.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Next level.

Jorge Masvidal 19:12 I mean, fuck.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 19:13 And he happens to be fucking mean. 'Cause a lot of talented guys sometimes, they're not like the meanest guy. This guy is mean as it fucking gets, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:20 Yeah, that's everything.

Jorge Masvidal 19:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:21 That's everything. And it's just all the, all the above: genetics, discipline, intelligence, game planning.

Jorge Masvidal 19:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:28 I mean, nobody game plans like Jon.

Jorge Masvidal 19:30 Yeah, yeah. I've heard he's a student of the game.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 19:32 He studies, watching film every day, all day long. Like, that is so much discipline, you know. Like, he's wired that into his system. That- that's who he is. There's a lot of fighters that just don't watch any tape, period, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:43 Do you watch a lot of tape on guys?

Jorge Masvidal 19:44 I- I'll watch, um, I'll watch at different stages, and then my coaches will keep breaking down stuff and they'll show it to me. I don't watch tape like every day. But I- I- I do go on like, uh, segments. Like tonight, I- I saw somebody for like two hours, and I just keep that in my brain, and- and I'll try to bring that to sparring. Like, the- th- these are the game plans, right, that I read in my head. Like, (clicks tongue) I think so-and-so is a sucker for this, this, and that, and then I bring that into sparring and I try to emulate it. And the guys obviously that I bring into sparring are not the guy I'm gonna fight, but they're supposed to be, you know, very similar style, something like that. So I know if it starts working on them, then I'm like one step away from bringing it into mass production and bringing it to the world. So that's kinda how I do it. I- I just also don't wanna look at somebody all day long, 'cause I wanna focus on me and my strength as well, you know. I wanna be aware of their- their strengths and what they're good at and what positions I don't wanna be involved with them. (inhales deeply) But I'm worried about me, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:36 Yeah, no, I understand. How- y- are you 36 now?

Jorge Masvidal 20:39 38.

Joe Rogan 20:40 38, whoa.

Jorge Masvidal 20:40 38 cup.

Joe Rogan 20:40 You look good.

Jorge Masvidal 20:41 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 20:42 You look good. How much longer you think you got in the game?

Jorge Masvidal 20:45 (clicks tongue) You know, that's, that's a, a question that, uh, I've- I got the answer to it, you know? I'm at American Top Team, I feel the best gym in the fucking world. We have numerous established killers right now, and we have another world of guys coming up of young, hungry talent that nobody knows of that are just fucking killers. And I've always felt like when I come into the gym and I can't hang with, with the pack, when I can't, you know, do a round with, you know, so-and-so, and then after that go with so-and-so and so-and-so, and I'm, and I'm getting the, the worser end of it consistently, I'll call it quits 'cause I don't wanna be a stepping stone for nobody. I've been in this sport for 20 years, so when I, when I get into American Top Team, I mean, I'm working out with the best of the best, you know. I- I truly feel in my heart they're the best middleweight right now. His name is Johnny Eblen. He's at Bellator.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Oh, yeah. He's a bad motherfucker.

Jorge Masvidal 21:33 Oh, this guy could wrestle, this guy could punch, this guy could kick. He's just a beast, and like we- we've been sharpening iron, me and him, forever. And, you know, there's days that he fucking runs me over, there's days that I, that I do very well, that I, that I hold my own, and we have great sessions. So the- the- the times that I start to just get the worser end of the, of the sessions, it's time for me to hang it up. I don't need to go in the ring to find out.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 21:57 Once I can't keep up with the pack no more, I know my time has come. And it's gonna hurt like fuck, 'cause this is all I've known, this is my first, my last love, this is my everything. But at the same time, I'm not gonna do a disservice to my body and, and let guys beat me that coulda never held my jockstrap probably during my prime, you know? So that- that'll be when I call it quits. Once a gym is telling me like, "Hey, you know, your time has come," I'm cool with it, you know? I just fucking gracefully bow out.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Well, that's a great situation to be in. Where you still have the love, but you're also aware that there's a reality of just your biological limits.

Jorge Masvidal 22:28 Yeah. And I mean, it's gonna happen to all of us, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:30 Everybody.

Jorge Masvidal 22:31 Maybe, maybe some... Randy Couture was fighting till what, 44, 45 years old?

Joe Rogan 22:35 Yeah, crazy.

Jorge Masvidal 22:36 He was doing it big.

Joe Rogan 22:37 But also pre-USADA.

Jorge Masvidal 22:38 Yeah, yeah, pre-USADA, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:40 Also pre-... Little bit, little bit different, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 22:42 Yeah. The- the, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:43 Those days would be different.

Jorge Masvidal 22:43 Sylvester Stallone's trend I think it was called?

Joe Rogan 22:45 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 22:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Well, listen, fucking Vitor changed his whole fucking world when TRT was in. All of a sudden, Vitor was the- the... I think TRT Vitor was one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Jorge Masvidal 22:57 Most dangerous you could say.

Joe Rogan 22:58 Oh my God, he was so confident. When he fought Luke Rockhold and hit him with a wheel kick, I'm like, "What the fuck?" You never even seen Vitor throw wheel kicks before.

Jorge Masvidal 23:06 The speed, the power, like some- something, uh... He's like, he turns into like a mutant when there's certain-

Joe Rogan 23:11 Yeah, like a mutant.

Jorge Masvidal 23:11 ... certain things involved in his body, you know?

Joe Rogan 23:13 Yeah. Some little-

Jorge Masvidal 23:13 He's like a fucking-

Joe Rogan 23:14 ... fucking pharmacological intervention.

Jorge Masvidal 23:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Lot of shit gets going. (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 23:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:18 I kinda wish they'd bring it back. I really do, because there's something about the veterans. They have the mind. Like that was the thing with Vitor. They had this wealth of ex- I mean, I first saw Vitor fight in 1997. I was training at the same gym as him, because I was at Carlson Gracies in LA, and he was 19. And you know, and we all knew, like, goddamn, he was a fucking athlete.

Jorge Masvidal 23:42 Damn.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Crazy athlete.

Jorge Masvidal 23:43 And, and he was a-

Joe Rogan 23:44 Speed.

Jorge Masvidal 23:45 ... black belt-

Joe Rogan 23:45 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 23:46 ... in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Was knocking people dead.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Yeah, no one expected that. When they first saw him fight, like Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Carlson Gracie, everybody's like, "Oh, he's gonna take guys down and submit 'em." And he was just lighting people up.

Jorge Masvidal 23:57 Ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Trey Tellemann, Scott Ferrozo, won the tournament at 19. Everybody was like, "Holy-"

Jorge Masvidal 24:01 Wanderlei Silva.

Joe Rogan 24:02 "... shit." Oh, ran through Wanderlei.

Jorge Masvidal 24:04 And then Wanderlei went on that crazy streak in Pride-

Joe Rogan 24:06 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 24:06 ... so it just elevated the fuck out of Vitor.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Yeah, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 24:09 Like, damn, man. If Vitor did that to him, holy smokes, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:11 I kinda wish they'd let people do whatever the fuck (laughs) they wanna do.

Jorge Masvidal 24:15 (laughs) Well, well-

Joe Rogan 24:15 This other organizations are very lax.

Jorge Masvidal 24:18 Or- or just like make it like even playing field for everybody. Be- because it's just like, uh, USADA oversees the Americans a lot harder-

Joe Rogan 24:26 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 24:27 ... than a lot of these other countries that they can't even get into, you know, and fight-

Joe Rogan 24:30 Oh yeah, they're not-

Jorge Masvidal 24:31 ... you know?

Joe Rogan 24:31 ... traveling to the mountains of Dagestan to give people piss tests.

Jorge Masvidal 24:33 You know? So it's just like, man, just make it fair for everybody. If I'm getting tested 20 times a year-

Joe Rogan 24:38 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 24:39 ... so-and-so and so-and-so in social should also be getting tested 20 times a year, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:43 Yeah. Well, the worst shit is like you hear stuff from like Volkanovski. They wake him up at like 6:00 in the morning-

Jorge Masvidal 24:50 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 24:50 ... the day before the fight.

Jorge Masvidal 24:51 Yeah, the- the... I- I've, I've had those-

Joe Rogan 24:52 Insane. Cut and wait.

Jorge Masvidal 24:54 Yeah, my, my last camp, it was the same shit. It- it just doesn't make sense. They came in on a Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday at f- between 5:15 and like 6:30 in the morning to my fucking house.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Oh. Three days in a row?

Jorge Masvidal 25:05 Three days in a row.

Joe Rogan 25:06 Just to make sure?

Jorge Masvidal 25:07 And it's like, what-Well, how about my sleep, bro?

Joe Rogan 25:10 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 25:11 You guys just wreck ... Like, I usually get up, like, around 8:00 in the morning. I'm out the door by, like, 9:15. Like, I h- I have a schedule. And this is, like, a week before a fight. You guys are just wrecking my shit because now I'm gonna go back to sleep in, like ... Or I'm gonna stay up. Now it's just-

Joe Rogan 25:24 Fucks up your day.

Jorge Masvidal 25:25 It's not neat. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:25 Fu- It could ... You could get hurt at training because of that, because you're tired.

Jorge Masvidal 25:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:28 You get caught with something maybe you shouldn't have got caught with.

Jorge Masvidal 25:31 I get in maybe, like, one time, but they literally showed up three times in my crib like that, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:35 Why do you think they do that? Like, did someone tell them, like, maybe you're doing something? Like, what, what ... They think they're being slick? Like-

Jorge Masvidal 25:41 I, I, uh, I u-

Joe Rogan 25:42 That's just stupid.

Jorge Masvidal 25:43 I don't think I've ... B- before that, I had gotten tested, uh, throughout, you know, my career, maybe, like, once or twice around those times. And then it had been a while wh- where they, they were just coming in at a regular time. Like, I'd get to the gym, you know, they're waiting for me. I wake up 7:15, 7:30, they're there. You know, um, maybe a couple afternoon, later shifts at the gym again. And that's all understandable, you know? Or even catch me right now when I get off the plane at the airport, cool. But, you know, on Sunday-

Joe Rogan 26:11 Don't wake people up.

Jorge Masvidal 26:12 On a Sunday, they came out.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 26:13 I wanted to let my fucking dogs loose on them.

Joe Rogan 26:15 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 26:15 You know, and I got a big old, I got a big old fucking gate. I was hoping they would have just jumped that gate because my dogs would have ate them alive, man.

Joe Rogan 26:21 (sighs) That's so stupid.

Jorge Masvidal 26:23 Yeah. It makes me-

Joe Rogan 26:24 It makes me furious. It really does. The fact that they did that to fighters that are, that are, like, the day before a title fight. All the things you have to worry about. Like, if they want to test someone, test them at fucking 1:00 in the afternoon. Test them when they're done training, test them before they train. Do whatever the fuck you gotta do to make sure they're not cheating, but don't interrupt their sleep.

Jorge Masvidal 26:42 And, and more so than anything, I think it's consistency, right? Like, if, if you're testing me, I, I get it, it's random. But if you're testing me 20 times and my opponent got tested four times, what the fuck is that? You know?

Joe Rogan 26:54 Yeah, what the fuck is that? Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 26:55 Let's make it, let's make it fair on all sides. It, it should be a minimum, I think, of everybody should get tested, like, 30 times a fucking year, right?

Joe Rogan 27:02 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 27:02 And then certain guys, if they're really, like, "Hey, I think this guy okay," fucking double it for that guy. Make, make it 60. But everybody should be at a baseline of getting tested a shitload amount of times.

Joe Rogan 27:11 I, I think it's good that the UFC did something, but I think ultimately what they did is a little bit of overkill. And it just ... Like, particularly the IVs for rehydration, I just don't ... I know that they're saying that it can mask performance-enhancing drugs.

Jorge Masvidal 27:27 But that's if you-

Joe Rogan 27:27 Well, test them before they get an IV.

Jorge Masvidal 27:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 Test the ... There's ways to test. Like, it's healthier for the fighter to have an IV.

Jorge Masvidal 27:34 Very healthy, you know. So-

Joe Rogan 27:35 It's really healthier for the fighter if the ... What they really should do, and I've been saying this forever, uh, and I know it's hard to do, but they should outlaw weight cutting. They should figure out a way where fighters fight at their nat- Make more weight classes and have fighters fight at a natural weight. You're talking about you go- about to fucking go to war for five rounds-

Jorge Masvidal 27:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 ... in a cage 24 hours after you're almost dead.

Jorge Masvidal 27:57 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:57 Which is really what happens to a lot of these guys.

Jorge Masvidal 27:59 It's like running a marathon in the desert. That's what I used to feel like, man. I'd be just sucking water, no calories, no nothing. And then, uh, you get in there and you're kind of, like, a shell of yourself, you know? But I, I, I do agree with you. The- there is some components that they could, you know, monitor your weight during the training camp. What's the heaviest you got? What's the lightest you got? Come up with the average of that. Then, hey, you can't weigh more than 190 on fight day. If not-

Joe Rogan 28:21 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 28:22 ... pay a fine or I don't know what the fuck.

Joe Rogan 28:24 Well, One FC is trying to do something like that. But I heard that one of their events, like, eight fighters missed weight, which is fucking crazy. Uh, because they're trying-

Jorge Masvidal 28:32 Yeah, because they have a hydration test as well.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Yeah. I don't even understand it.

Jorge Masvidal 28:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:36 I mean, I know they do that with college wrestling.

Jorge Masvidal 28:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:37 I know they do hydration tests, but ...

Jorge Masvidal 28:39 I don't really agree with those either, though, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:41 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 28:42 If I did cut more water than the next guy and I still made the weight, the fuck? Let me compete, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:47 Right. Yeah. I mean, the Gervonta Davis has a, uh, he has a clause-

Jorge Masvidal 28:52 Ten-pound clause or something. Ten pounds or something?

Joe Rogan 28:53 Yeah. Yeah, with the, with, with Ryan, where he can't, uh, weigh more than a certain amount after the weigh-in.

Jorge Masvidal 28:59 That's little.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Which is kind of, kind of bitch ass.

Jorge Masvidal 29:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 A little bit.

Jorge Masvidal 29:02 Like, what do you care what he weighs in?

Joe Rogan 29:03 Yeah. Like, you made-

Jorge Masvidal 29:04 Who, who do you got in that fight?

Joe Rogan 29:06 I don't know, man. I mean, I, I'm a giant Gervonta fan. I think he's super fucking talented. But Ryan has that left hook. That left hook is preposterous.

Jorge Masvidal 29:16 He's got the reach on him too.

Joe Rogan 29:17 That left hook is so fast.

Jorge Masvidal 29:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:19 Like, he catches guys in exchanges. You don't even see it land.

Jorge Masvidal 29:23 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:24 But it's mostly left hook.

Jorge Masvidal 29:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:26 You know, I know he has a right hand, he uses it. But his left hook is just so ... That style that he uses, using that reach and just whipping that left hook, it's-

Jorge Masvidal 29:34 Boom.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Very unusual.

Jorge Masvidal 29:35 And his speed is way above natural. Like, his, he's, he's really up there with the hand speed. But so is Gervonta and especially in the, in the pocket.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Oh my God.

Jorge Masvidal 29:43 I mean ...

Joe Rogan 29:44 Gervonta in the pocket is a monster.

Jorge Masvidal 29:45 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 29:46 He's, he's-

Jorge Masvidal 29:46 He reminds me of, like, a little Tyson.

Joe Rogan 29:47 He's short and he... Like, he conserves his punches, where, you know, like, the first few rounds, he throws very few punches. He's just-

Jorge Masvidal 29:54 Yeah. He's just measuring. He's a computer man.

Joe Rogan 29:55 Yep.

Jorge Masvidal 29:56 He's just getting the data on you.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 29:57 Faking you taking pictures of everything you do. And then, like, round three, round four, he starts to fucking just ... He's dialed in. He's slipping. Pow, pow, pow. Like ...

Joe Rogan 30:04 And he's got special power too.

Jorge Masvidal 30:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:06 His power is special.

Jorge Masvidal 30:07 And he's mean too as well, man.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Oh yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 30:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:09 Mean is a big part of it, isn't it?

Jorge Masvidal 30:11 Yeah. I think, I think having that dog, being mean is, like, the biggest part in it, you know?

Joe Rogan 30:16 Really?

Jorge Masvidal 30:16 In, in being a fighter. Yeah. You, you ... Because you could be, you could be a great athlete. One day, you're gonna come across another great athlete, you know, it's who's got more dog in them?

Joe Rogan 30:24 Do you think Wonderboy is mean? I think he's secretly mean.

Jorge Masvidal 30:28 He has to be. You know?

Joe Rogan 30:29 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 30:29 Uh, he's very, very, very competitive, you know? He's the nicest dude-

Joe Rogan 30:33 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 30:33 ... that I've ... One of the coolest guys and a, and a for real nice guy. Like, I've met him numerous times off camera, just me and him chilling. And the dude's genuinely, like, a good dude, you know? But once he gets in there, he's, like, he's hypercompetitive. He wants to win at all costs. He's gonna put himself at harm's risk to make sure he gets that W, man. I've always, I've always liked Wonderboy, man.

Joe Rogan 30:51 I couldn't believe Kevin Holland decided to have a kickboxing fight with him. I couldn't believe Ke- Kevin Holland, they made a deal, no going to the ground.

Jorge Masvidal 30:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:59 He's like, "Let's just stand up." Like, what are you saying?

Jorge Masvidal 31:01 Yeah, but I, I don't think Holland was gonna take him down anyways, to be honest.

Joe Rogan 31:04 Well, I think he would try. I mean, Holland is a-

Jorge Masvidal 31:06 Holland would have been worse too.

Joe Rogan 31:07 ... fantastic jiu-jitsu guy. Holland's got-

Jorge Masvidal 31:09 Yeah, but the wrestling. The wrestling is a ...

Joe Rogan 31:10 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 31:10 And that is, like, one of the things that drains people, you know? He might have got stopped earlier if he went for a takedown and-

Joe Rogan 31:16 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 31:16 I think that's kind of what hurt Izzy in the, the Pereira fight, putting those takedowns up there. It takes a lot of gas. If you, if you haven't been doing that for a lifetime, wrestling is one of the most draining things for the energy tank.

Joe Rogan 31:26 Mm-hmm. Without a doubt. I think with Izzy though, like, he talked about that left leg getting compromised, the calf kicks.

Jorge Masvidal 31:32 Oh.

Joe Rogan 31:33 You know, I mean, Pereira landed, like, six calf kicks in that first round. Like, hard ones.

Jorge Masvidal 31:38 ... he's got-

Joe Rogan 31:38 Calf kick t- changed the fucking... Do you remember when the calf kick came into the game?

Jorge Masvidal 31:43 (exhales) Yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 31:44 'Cause Benson Henderson was the guy who first started using it, but it wasn't as effective for some reason. So, like, other guys started using it and stopping people with it.

Jorge Masvidal 31:52 I think Ben... Yeah, you're right, Benson, uh-

Joe Rogan 31:54 He was one of the first guys.

Jorge Masvidal 31:55 ... I think he chopped up Nate with them pretty damn good.

Joe Rogan 31:57 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 31:57 Yeah. I, uh, I use them a lot. I, I remember I used them a lot for my KJ Noons fight. I used them a ton to chop him up-

Joe Rogan 32:04 Oh.

Jorge Masvidal 32:04 ... 'cause he's a big boxer. So, I chopped his leg down with the calf kick, just boom, constantly going through. He'd throw, like, a left hook, pop. I'd chop the ca- the calf. He'd throw a jab, p-... I'd chop the calf. And that threw him off. I remember his balance, 'cause he started, like, kinda second-guessing me and not putting as much pressure. But I... Big believer of the calf kick. You know, I felt it and I was like, "This is it right here." You know? Plus-

Joe Rogan 32:24 It's horrible.

Jorge Masvidal 32:25 Yeah. I- and your leg is so much bigger, so much fucking-

Joe Rogan 32:28 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 32:28 ... more muscle, you could, you could take the hit there. The one calf kick hits that nerve stem and it, like, fucking shoots up to your brain, and you're like-

Joe Rogan 32:35 (coughs)

Jorge Masvidal 32:35 ... "Whoa, don't take no more of those," you know?

Joe Rogan 32:37 It's amazing because to the average person, they don't even know what happened. Like, they see a guy get calf kicked and the guy's still moving and they feel like nothing happened. But meanwhile, that guy who got kicked is like, "Oh, shit." Like, you, you're pl-... You got a poker face, but that leg is fucked.

Jorge Masvidal 32:52 Fucked.

Joe Rogan 32:52 Fucked.

Jorge Masvidal 32:52 Fucked, and then bam.

Joe Rogan 32:53 If someone hits it again, bang-

Jorge Masvidal 32:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 32:55 ... they hit it again, like, "Oh, no." And then you're in trouble.

Jorge Masvidal 32:57 And then he's... And then they switch stances-

Joe Rogan 32:58 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 32:58 ... and then, you know, like, "Op, he got him."

Joe Rogan 33:00 Yep, yep, he got him. Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 33:01 And- and you're always calling... I could always see when you're calling, it's like, "Yep, that calf kick hurt." He's switching stance, guaranteed it hurt, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:07 Well, when you're up close too, you can see the calves swelling up. Like, guys' calves will swell up, like, immediately.

Jorge Masvidal 33:12 Immediately. And it's not that, uh, it's not that big. Like, uh, it's- it's big, but in, like, kickboxing and Muay Thai, it wasn't like a- uh, like a...

Joe Rogan 33:19 I know, it's crazy.

Jorge Masvidal 33:20 Yeah. It- it was more like an MMA thing, and then now, though, I'm seeing it more and more in- in Thai boxing now. But it wasn't like maybe 15 years ago-

Joe Rogan 33:27 No.

Jorge Masvidal 33:27 ... it wasn't like a big thing in kickboxing or Muay Thai, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:30 No, it's very interesting. I- I'm- I'm trying to figure out why. I guess, like, a lot of the Thai guys, they fight with that light front leg, you know, and they check a lot of kicks-

Jorge Masvidal 33:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 ... and they're- they're accustomed to it. But I think it's a stance. It's a, you know, the- because the- you might shoot and because you might have to sprawl, there's, like, a little bit more weight on that leg. And then, you know, I don't know.

Jorge Masvidal 33:50 You right. Def- definitely for that.

Joe Rogan 33:52 It changes a lot of things.

Jorge Masvidal 33:53 And there's- and there's so much options in MMA, you know. You're just worried about strikes in- in combat, here you're worried about a clinch, a takedown-

Joe Rogan 33:59 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 33:59 ... or somebody dropping guard, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:01 I mean, I love all combat sports, but there's no comparison. MMA is where it's at.

Jorge Masvidal 34:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:05 It's the best.

Jorge Masvidal 34:06 What's your second favorite?

Joe Rogan 34:07 Muay Thai.

Jorge Masvidal 34:08 Muay Thai, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:08 I love Muay Thai. Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 34:10 I love Muay Thai.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Yeah, I love Muay Thai.

Jorge Masvidal 34:12 Who's your- who's your favorite Thai fighter?

Joe Rogan 34:13 (inhales) Man, I mean, Saenchai.

Jorge Masvidal 34:16 Saenchai.

Joe Rogan 34:16 You gotta go with Saenchai because he's been around so long and he's still fucking people up at, like, 37 years old.

Jorge Masvidal 34:23 And the grace that he does it with.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Oh, my God. And the style is so different than everybody else's. He's light on his feet and he throws kicks with no telegraph. Like, a lot of these guys, uh, they're, like, power guys. The, you know, they're- they're plodding forward like Rod Tankhah, Mahab.

Jorge Masvidal 34:39 Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan 34:40 But, you know, with Saenchai, it's just light on his feet-

Jorge Masvidal 34:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:42 ... everything's shuffling-

Jorge Masvidal 34:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:43 ... and moving quick. He's very different. Like-

Jorge Masvidal 34:45 I-

Joe Rogan 34:45 ... there's no one like him.

Jorge Masvidal 34:46 Sin- since I started out watching Saenchai, I, uh, I was like, "Man, what makes him so special?" And I would really, like, dig into it because he's obviously, like, Michael Jordan of- of Muay Thai, you know? And I think one of the things that makes him so special is his ability to take you off your feet at any moment.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 35:04 So, that, like, I- I see him fighting guys and they immediately change styles when they're fighting him. They might be, like, a little looser and then they get swept off their feet.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yep.

Jorge Masvidal 35:11 And now they're just, like, their balance got compromised, and that's a huge thing. Like, you kick and then I put you on your neck and shoulders.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 35:18 You're gonna rethink everything, man. And I think he's, like, the best at fucking manipulating your balance and sending you flying across the ring. And I've seen him do it to, like, great boxers, great kickboxers, great Thai guys. They lose all sense of, like, where they're at and stuff once you're flying through the air and you get back and now you're kind of, like, a shell of yourself. Now you're like, "I- I don't wanna get fucking swept again." And then, boom, a left, and then, boom, a kick, and then, boom, you get swept again.

Joe Rogan 35:42 Yep.

Jorge Masvidal 35:43 Bro, it's fucking insane, bro.

Joe Rogan 35:44 Yeah. I- I agree. The- the sweeps are f-... That's a big key to his game. And also the angles. I mean, there's one KO where he hops to the side and jumping round hacks, like, ki- kicks that dude in the face.

Jorge Masvidal 35:55 Where he, like, did the Taekwondo-

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah. I mean, this motherfucker is just... His timing and- and his ability-

Jorge Masvidal 36:01 Boop.

Joe Rogan 36:01 ... to, like... Shit like that (laughs) .

Jorge Masvidal 36:04 Boop.

Joe Rogan 36:04 I mean, look at that. I mean, what the fuck? What a crazy angle. His angles... And when you look at him too, one of the things I like about him, like, he's not an impressive-looking dude.

Jorge Masvidal 36:13 No, he's not, like, the fittest-

Joe Rogan 36:15 No.

Jorge Masvidal 36:15 ... physical specimen, but, boy-

Joe Rogan 36:16 And he's fighting guys way bigger than him all the time.

Jorge Masvidal 36:19 He-

Joe Rogan 36:19 He's always fighting guys bigger than him.

Jorge Masvidal 36:21 His, uh, fights with no gloves, fucking love.

Joe Rogan 36:23 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 36:24 Fucking love those.

Joe Rogan 36:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the ropes. Yeah. S- Saenchai is a motherfucker, dude. And w-... Seems like one of the nicest, most playful dudes. Like, when you see him working out and sparring in the gym, he's a fun dude.

Jorge Masvidal 36:37 Playful till that bell rings, I think, man.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Yeah. But it's just that-

Jorge Masvidal 36:40 Boom.

Joe Rogan 36:40 ... like, right there. Look at the- the sweeps, man. It's just that style is so different than anybody else's style. It's really kind of amazing that no- none of the young guys are emulating him. Because y-... Traditionally, when you see Thai guys fight, they fight and they look like a Thai fighter.

Jorge Masvidal 36:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:56 He looks like another thing.

Jorge Masvidal 36:58 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 36:58 Like, another kind of thing, another evolution of it.

Jorge Masvidal 37:01 I hope in his next lifetime, it's just MMA for him.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 37:04 Do you imag-... That guy doing, like-

Joe Rogan 37:05 Do you imagine?

Jorge Masvidal 37:06 He would've done Thai boxing till, like, 14, 15, then-

Joe Rogan 37:08 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 37:09 ... got brought into MMA at that age-

Joe Rogan 37:11 Oh, my God.

Jorge Masvidal 37:11 ... with a great camp. Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Well, that element is one of the elements that I feel like is missing in MMA, is the sweeps. Like, is- just very few guys that are that good at sweeps, you know, from the standing position in MMA. Most of the takedowns we see in MMA come off singles and doubles-

Jorge Masvidal 37:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:29 ... and- and trips. You don't see it like that, like what he does.

Jorge Masvidal 37:32 No. No, no, no, no, no. Not- not that many... The- uh... One of the ones that I love is he'll throw, like, that high kick and then he'll fake the high kick and completely get behind you, and then you see him flare, guys.

Joe Rogan 37:41 Mm-hmm (laughs) .

Jorge Masvidal 37:41 And those are the things that, like, shut you out because now if you're worried about the sweep, you're gonna get kicked.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 37:46 Whether it's in your head or your arm, you're gonna start getting kicked and...... nobody does it like him, man.

Joe Rogan 37:51 Yeah. That's one of the beautiful things about watching a, a great Muay Thai fighter like him, is that for someone who appreciates it, there's so many levels to what he's doing. He's setting up so many levels. There's so many different things going on simultaneously that you have to compensate for when you're fighting him.

Jorge Masvidal 38:07 Best, best teep two in the game.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 38:09 The-

Joe Rogan 38:09 He hops forward and hits you in the face with it.

Jorge Masvidal 38:11 One of my favorite guys also, I can't pronounce his name. I don't even wanna try to 'cause then he's gonna kick my butt, I'm gonna butcher it. But he's an Olympic gold medalist in boxing and he's, like, a three-time Lumpinee champion. I, uh, his n- I-

Joe Rogan 38:22 I know who you're talking about-

Jorge Masvidal 38:23 Yeah, you know who-

Joe Rogan 38:23 ... but I can't pronounce his name either. (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 38:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, but that guy was another serial killer, bro. Like-

Joe Rogan 38:27 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 38:27 ... just stand- 'cause to do, to, to have head movement, I think, in Thai boxing, like to stay in the pocket, do this-

Joe Rogan 38:32 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 38:32 ... and dodge kicks, that's next level shit. And this guy would do it to everybody, man.

Joe Rogan 38:36 I'm, I'm a giant fan of his, but I'm also, if I had one fighter that I'm gonna watch tape on, just, just, just for pure inspiration, it's Ramon Dekkers.

Jorge Masvidal 38:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Whoo!

Jorge Masvidal 38:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:46 Ramon Dekkers in his prime, what a fucking destroyer that guy was.

Jorge Masvidal 38:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:51 That guy smashed his ankle so bad they had to fuse his ankle, and the doctor told him, "Listen, man, you gotta stop kicking with this thing." And he's like, "Yeah, yeah. Tape it up. Shut the fuck up."

Jorge Masvidal 39:01 Bop. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:01 Bam, (laughs) like right away.

Jorge Masvidal 39:03 Bop.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Like, in the end of his career, i- his ankles didn't move. Like, his foot was, like, stuck there forever.

Jorge Masvidal 39:09 That, that you gotta be so fucking, like, so mentally rough-

Joe Rogan 39:14 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 39:14 ... you know? So, 'cause, uh, we've seen everybody that has, like, a shin break in MMA and comes back. It's just ... And I c- you can't blame him, man. I- i- am I gonna ... The next kick is gonna snap off-

Joe Rogan 39:23 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 39:23 ... so for somebody to, to have that commitment is fucking nuts. Like, me personally, I would be like, "Okay, time to adapt. I'm gonna become a puncher now, bro."

Joe Rogan 39:30 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 39:30 You know?

Joe Rogan 39:31 Well, Ty- doesn't Tyrone, uh, Terrance Bond, doesn't he train at, uh, sometimes at ATT? He's been there before, right?

Jorge Masvidal 39:36 No, no, no. He's more, um, at the, at Stanford I think.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Oh, Stanford.

Jorge Masvidal 39:39 I've, I've m-

Joe Rogan 39:40 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 39:40 I've had the pleasure of meeting Tyrone, a fucking beast. I met him a couple times, um, but no, he's not at, at ATT.

Joe Rogan 39:45 When he, uh, broke his leg, he was kinda never the same again. I mean-

Jorge Masvidal 39:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:50 ... he had a, a real bad one with Gokhan Saki. The same as, like, Chris Weidman, same as Anderson Silva.

Jorge Masvidal 39:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:55 That same kinda break. He would check a kick, shmacK! Like, it just, it just snapped in half.

Jorge Masvidal 40:01 Man. He's doing well in boxing though.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Yes, very well in boxing.

Jorge Masvidal 40:03 He's gonna ... I would love to see that guy grab a belt for us, man, you know?

Joe Rogan 40:06 Yeah, it would be amazing.

Jorge Masvidal 40:06 Kickboxer, MMA dude, and he's, like, unreal power.

Joe Rogan 40:10 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 40:10 Since he was at 168 pounds, I, I saw his whole career of the heavyweight, like, unreal fucking power, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 40:15 Insane good reflexes, good timing, you know? Just fucking, I would love to see him get a belt in fucking boxing, man.

Joe Rogan 40:21 There's that one amazing KO where he's fighting that tall white dude and the guy catches him in the first round-

Jorge Masvidal 40:26 Oh, early. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:26 ... drops him, and then he measures him. The dude's wailing on him, he measures him, measures him, bang!

Jorge Masvidal 40:32 Ba- ... And it's over.

Joe Rogan 40:32 Flatlines.

Jorge Masvidal 40:33 Over with.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Yeah, the dude, uh, he gets up and then he sits back down like-

Jorge Masvidal 40:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 ... "That's it."

Jorge Masvidal 40:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:37 "It's over."

Jorge Masvidal 40:38 The- there's guys that are, like, just born with that next level power.

Joe Rogan 40:41 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 40:41 He's one of them, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:43 You don't see very many guys bouncing back from that shin break and doing well in MMA again. Anderson, it was kinda the end of his career when he broke his shin.

Jorge Masvidal 40:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:52 I mean, it was ... Chris Weidman, we haven't seen him back yet. Uh, Conor, we haven't seen him back yet. Yeah, I, I don't know what's even gonna happen. Here it is.

Jorge Masvidal 41:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Boom!

Jorge Masvidal 41:01 Oh! Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:03 (laughs) I mean, that dude got up and he was like, "Hang on, what the fuck is going on here? Oh." Almost sat down.

Jorge Masvidal 41:10 "You know what? Nevermind." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:11 Yeah. He realized, like, something's very wrong. The way he measured him too, just that straight left, bang!

Jorge Masvidal 41:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Oh my goodness.

Jorge Masvidal 41:19 And look how composed Tyrone stays, his hands-

Joe Rogan 41:22 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 41:22 ... are up, shoulders are up. He's taking these hits, he's like, "I got you."

Joe Rogan 41:25 And he got dropped, like-

Jorge Masvidal 41:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:26 ... seconds into the fight. Like, it was one of the first punches that dude threw. Yeah, Tyrone's a bad motherfucker. He's, uh-

Jorge Masvidal 41:33 He was supposed to fight some big boxing fights though.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Is he?

Jorge Masvidal 41:36 No, he was suppo- I think he was, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:37 He was and then something happened. I don't know, I remember what happened, but he got pulled out of the fight, and then dude wound up fighting somebody else. But they were setting him up for someone big. I forget who it was.

Jorge Masvidal 41:48 Ustic, I think.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Oh.

Jorge Masvidal 41:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:49 That's right.

Jorge Masvidal 41:50 And then when they brought up falling through, some stuff happened, you know?

Joe Rogan 41:52 Ah, that's too bad.

Jorge Masvidal 41:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 That would've been very interesting, though.

Jorge Masvidal 41:55 I would love to get him on my promotion against some, some of these big boxers that-

Joe Rogan 41:58 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 41:58 ... we've been talking to. I would love to do, like, Andy Ruiz versus (inhales deeply)

Narrator 42:03 Oh, man, I mean-

Joe Rogan 42:03 Yeah. So tell me about your promotion because you've got a big card coming up.

Jorge Masvidal 42:07 April 1st.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Tell me about this. It's very exciting.

Jorge Masvidal 42:10 Tickets available on Ticketmaster. I gotta go full promoter on you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Yeah, go full promoter.

Jorge Masvidal 42:14 Pay-per-view.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 42:15 On demand.

Joe Rogan 42:16 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 42:16 Comcast, all that linear pay-per-view stuff, and if you want the digital rights, uh, only the second time in history that the UFC partners up with, like, a boxing promotion. The first time was Conor-Mayweather, so you could also buy the pay-per-view through UFC Fight Pass.

Joe Rogan 42:29 Oh, that's great.

Jorge Masvidal 42:30 Yeah, and it's Roy Jones Jr. (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 42:33 And Anthony Pettis.

Jorge Masvidal 42:34 And Anthony Pettis.

Joe Rogan 42:35 Whoo!

Jorge Masvidal 42:35 Jose Aldo versus Jeremy Stephens boxing.

Joe Rogan 42:38 Whoo!

Jorge Masvidal 42:39 I'm l- like, I think that that's gonna be the fight of the night. You know, I could be wrong 'cause there's some other good matches. And Vitor Belfort, the guy we were just talking about-

Joe Rogan 42:45 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 42:45 ... versus Jacare. Who you got in that one?

Joe Rogan 42:47 Oh my god.

Jorge Masvidal 42:48 Who you got in that one?

Joe Rogan 42:48 Oh my god. Wow. Look at that.

Jorge Masvidal 42:51 The Fis- at the Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee-

Joe Rogan 42:53 Wow.

Jorge Masvidal 42:53 ... Bucks Arena.

Joe Rogan 42:55 I like it. I'm very interested in Jones versus Pettis.

Jorge Masvidal 42:59 Ooh, wow.

Joe Rogan 42:59 How long has Roy been training for this?

Jorge Masvidal 43:01 Well, um, my good friend, the, the one that help- be- because, uh, as we were setting up the card, um, Dean Toole, which is w- my matchmaker and helps me set up everything, was like, "I think I can get Roy Jones to fight for us." In my mind I was like, "Yeah, I'm sure, bro."

Joe Rogan 43:17 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 43:18 "Yeah, Roy Jones J- ... You talking about Roy Jones Jr.?" He's like, "Yeah, man. I, I ..." 'Cause he's from Pensacola and, and he's known Roy for a while. He's like, "Roy's been training for a while. Now people don't know, but he's been training ... Like, he, he constantly trains and, uh, he trains, uh ... He was training Eubank, so he told me that the whole training camp with Eubank, he was training alongside him." (sniffs) And like, "He's in pretty damn good shape, better shape that I seen him in a while, and he's been wanting to fight. So I think we might be able to pull this off." I was like, "Nah, it's d- uh, I don't believe this. Is it Roy Jones Jr.?"

Joe Rogan 43:47 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 43:47 He's like, "Yeah, I, I think I can get Roy Jones Jr. to fight."So, we started making calls. You know, we had, we had a couple big names. Actually, um, for a while it was gonna be Roy Jones Jr., he had already signed the contract, versus Donald Cerrone.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Oh.

Jorge Masvidal 43:59 You know? Yeah, we were really excited about that one. And, uh, Donald Cerrone got a huge, uh, project coming up, so I don't even wanna-

Joe Rogan 44:05 Movies?

Jorge Masvidal 44:06 ... talk about it. Something like that.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Donald's gonna be a fucking movie star.

Jorge Masvidal 44:08 Yeah. Oh, I feel it, bro. I believe it, bro. He's got the look-

Joe Rogan 44:10 Yeah. He's got the look.

Jorge Masvidal 44:11 ... he's got the character, bro. He's got the-

Joe Rogan 44:12 Got hair transplants now, now he's jacked.

Jorge Masvidal 44:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think he's gonna-

Joe Rogan 44:15 (laughs) He's 220 pounds now.

Jorge Masvidal 44:16 Yeah. He's gonna be like the MMA Brad Pitt, bro.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 44:18 I mean, not Brad Pitt at all. What's his name? Uh... (smacks lips)

Joe Rogan 44:22 Brad Pitt?

Jorge Masvidal 44:22 Um, Brad Pitt, man.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 44:23 You know?

Joe Rogan 44:24 Yeah. (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 44:24 Shout out to Brad Pitt, too. That's my boy, man.

Joe Rogan 44:26 I love Brad Pitt.

Jorge Masvidal 44:27 Yeah, bro. That's a legend.

Joe Rogan 44:27 I loved seeing him in the crowd the other night. Yeah, Donald is, uh, he's a fucking character, man.

Jorge Masvidal 44:32 Yeah. Wild man.

Joe Rogan 44:32 That dude... He told a story on this podcast about cave diving. He was, it was cave diving with this dude and the dude panicked, and it filled the cave up with clouds and he couldn't figure out how to get out and he was running out of air. It was w- I, I knew he was alive, 'cause he's sitting right across from me, but it was one of the most hair-raising stories. He said... 'Cause his wife and his child were outside waiting for him, and he's thinking, "There's no fucking way I'm dying in here. There's no fucking way I'm dying in this figure way out of the cave."

Jorge Masvidal 44:58 So, you said cave diving? Like-

Joe Rogan 44:58 Cave diving.

Jorge Masvidal 44:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 44:59 Like, he goes scuba diving and gets down in these caves-

Jorge Masvidal 45:02 Oh, okay. I, I thought you were, like, jumping out of caves into water.

Joe Rogan 45:06 No, no.

Jorge Masvidal 45:07 Okay. Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 45:07 Yeah, so they, they... Something happened-

Jorge Masvidal 45:09 That scares the fuck out of me, bro.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Oh, fuck all that, dude. Fuck. That.

Jorge Masvidal 45:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:14 But Donald likes to do shit that's scary as fuck.

Jorge Masvidal 45:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:16 That's what he likes to do. And he, he almost lost his life doing it. It was a crazy story. And when he's telling it, you're like, your hands are sweating. Even though I knew he was alive, I knew he was okay, I'm like, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God."

Jorge Masvidal 45:29 I, I do a lot of swimming, um, for preparation of the fights, just to develop my lungs better, and we do a lot of, like, underwaters, down and back, and I fucking hate that shit, bro.

Joe Rogan 45:39 There's nothing scarier than running out of air in the fucking ocean.

Jorge Masvidal 45:41 And then especially... I'm, I'm just, like, three feet under the water, so at any moment I could get to my feet and push up, you know? And it's over. No matter how fucking close to death I might have thought I was, you know, it's over. It's, like, to be 20, 30, 100 feet under the water? (inhales deeply) Not me, dog.

Joe Rogan 45:57 (exhales sharply)

Jorge Masvidal 45:57 Not me.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Not me. Not me. I g- I appreciate it, but not me. I'll pass.

Jorge Masvidal 46:02 I'll pass, too, brother.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 46:03 Who you got? Pettis or Roy Jones, before we move on?

Joe Rogan 46:05 Well, I wanna... I mean, I've never seen Pettis box. He obviously has hands.

Jorge Masvidal 46:08 Right?

Joe Rogan 46:08 He knocked out Wonderboy.

Jorge Masvidal 46:09 And he looks in great fucking shape, too, man.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Yeah. Well, it's a great opportunity-

Jorge Masvidal 46:12 He looks in great shape.

Joe Rogan 46:13 ... for him, too.

Jorge Masvidal 46:13 I've gotten to see a little bit of sparring matches between, uh, like, him and Caleb and a couple other guys.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 46:18 He looks pretty damn good. Uh, one thing he's always had is speed and power, I think.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yes.

Jorge Masvidal 46:21 Just genetically born with it, you know? It's just, uh, how does he bring it over to, to boxing, now? Which is... I heard him talking a lot about boxing, but what I like to see, like, MMA guys bring into boxing is... We're not gonna jab better than them. You're not gonna, you're not gonna be a boxer better than them, ever. But what we can catch them with is that funky, like, MMA shit. Like, you duck your head-

Joe Rogan 46:41 Mm-hmm. Right.

Jorge Masvidal 46:41 ... and they think you're going to body shine you, you bring up a fucking loopy right hand, you know?

Joe Rogan 46:45 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 46:45 Kind of like Connor and Mayweather, those first, like, four rounds. I know Mayweather was studying him, but still, he got hit with a lot of things he just didn't see, because y- you can't emulate that if you haven't seen it, you know?

Joe Rogan 46:54 Connor could have been a great boxer. He could have been a great boxer.

Jorge Masvidal 46:56 Yeah. De- definitely, definitely has the pop for it, though.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Yeah. He's got a tremendous uppercut, too. The uppercut that he caught, uh, Floyd with-

Jorge Masvidal 47:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:03 ... he could s- snap Floyd's head back.

Jorge Masvidal 47:05 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Floyd was like, "Oh, okay."

Jorge Masvidal 47:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:07 That was legit.

Jorge Masvidal 47:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 He just wasn't composed enough to go 10 rounds-

Jorge Masvidal 47:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:12 ... with one of the greatest of all time.

Jorge Masvidal 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:14 The greatest of all time. If you wanna look at guys that never got hit, F- Floyd went his entire career, got hit hard, like, three or four times, ever.

Jorge Masvidal 47:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:23 He's i- in- defensively unparalleled.

Jorge Masvidal 47:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:26 And he wasn't a mover. He stood right in front of you.

Jorge Masvidal 47:28 W- one of the... Not always in, in his career.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Early on.

Jorge Masvidal 47:30 Earlier in his career, he would use his legs a lot. I remember-

Joe Rogan 47:33 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 47:33 ... he, nobody could e- then, nobody could literally touch him, you know? Like when he fought, uh, Diego Chico Corrales-

Joe Rogan 47:38 Mm.

Jorge Masvidal 47:38 ... which was one of my favorite all-time fights, you know? 'Cause it was like there was nothing for, for Diego to hit and then all of a sudden he'd just bounce him in his face. Bop.

Joe Rogan 47:46 Yep.

Jorge Masvidal 47:46 Left hook from, like, five feet away. That, that's a Mayweather that I think nobody could possibly maybe beat 'cause-

Joe Rogan 47:51 That was the Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather.

Jorge Masvidal 47:52 Pretty Boy Floyd.

Joe Rogan 47:53 That was before he became Money Mayweather.

Jorge Masvidal 47:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:55 But he started developing hand problems, you know?

Jorge Masvidal 47:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:57 He broke his hands multiple times.

Jorge Masvidal 47:59 Yeah. Or the Arturo Gatti Mayweathers, ooh.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Ooh! Oh, my God, when he lit up Arturo Gatti.

Jorge Masvidal 48:04 That w- that was, like, his coming out party for the masses.

Joe Rogan 48:06 Yeah, he lit him on fire.

Jorge Masvidal 48:07 Every... Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fire.

Joe Rogan 48:07 'Cause everybody knew Gatti was this blood and guts fighter.

Jorge Masvidal 48:10 Everybody knew Gatti.

Joe Rogan 48:10 And everybody's like, "Oh, let's see how Gatti does." And it's just, pff.

Jorge Masvidal 48:14 And, and I remember seeing Gatti and thinking like, "Man, this guy's got hand speed. You know, he's got a good hand speed, good power. I think it should be, the first couple rounds, somewhat competitive." Not even close, though.

Joe Rogan 48:23 Not even close. Not even close.

Jorge Masvidal 48:24 Not even close, bro.

Joe Rogan 48:25 I think Floyd's ability to shoulder roll and his ability to avoid shots and then land shots when you don't think he can is unparalleled. I mean, when he fought-

Jorge Masvidal 48:35 But-

Joe Rogan 48:35 ... Canelo and he was, like, standing right in front of Canelo, and Canelo's just whiffing, you know? He was like, "Oh, my Go-" It was a life lesson. And then you look at how good Canelo's head movement got after that fight, when he realized it.

Jorge Masvidal 48:47 (exhales sharply)

Joe Rogan 48:47 I mean, my God, when he fought-

Jorge Masvidal 48:49 Let me-

Joe Rogan 48:49 ... Danny Jacobs and, and Canelo's just standing right in front of him.

Jorge Masvidal 48:52 Bop, bop.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Bobbing. That's all the, the, what he learned from fighting Floyd.

Jorge Masvidal 48:56 And it, it doesn't look like it, but obviously when Mayweather hits, it cracks. Maybe he's not a home run hitter, but he's definitely a-

Joe Rogan 49:02 Precise.

Jorge Masvidal 49:03 ... third, third base hitter, you know? 'Cause he hits guys and they're like, "Whoa."

Joe Rogan 49:06 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 49:06 They feel it, and then he gets out the way. I think, definitely the greatest boxer maybe in my generation, but not the best fighter. I would say the best, you know, brawler, boxer, type fighter, Manny Pacquiao, man.

Joe Rogan 49:16 Oh, yeah. Oh, Manny Pacquiao.

Jorge Masvidal 49:18 Destroyer. He fucking just is destroying-

Joe Rogan 49:19 Won world titles in eight different weight classes. Who the fuck does that?

Jorge Masvidal 49:22 And the way he did it.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 49:24 Like that, that ko- I'm a huge fan of Cotto, I love his school. And the, the way that he beat Cotto, I didn't think nobody could ever do that to him. And it was just like-

Joe Rogan 49:31 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 49:31 ... bro, what the fuck, man?

Joe Rogan 49:32 Well, his legs. Manny's legs are like tree trunks.

Jorge Masvidal 49:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:35 And it's crazy.

Jorge Masvidal 49:36 The hand speed, the power, you know?

Joe Rogan 49:37 The speed, everything.

Jorge Masvidal 49:38 I just always wish that the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight would've took place many, many years before than when it did, you know?

Joe Rogan 49:43 Well, it also took place when Manny went into the fight with a fucked-

Jorge Masvidal 49:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:46 ... up shoulder.

Jorge Masvidal 49:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:47 I mean, he knew his shoulder was fucked before that fight and he just wanted that money and just-

Jorge Masvidal 49:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 ... "Let's see what happens." Shoot it up with cortisone, see what's wrong.

Jorge Masvidal 49:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 49:55 ... unfortunately.

Jorge Masvidal 49:57 Unfortunate for us, man.

Joe Rogan 49:58 Unfortunate for us, but F- Floyd was smart. He's like, "Not yet. Not yet. Not yet."

Jorge Masvidal 50:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Wai- waited till he started to fade a little bit, like, "Okay now."

Jorge Masvidal 50:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:07 After Marquez knocked him out.

Jorge Masvidal 50:09 Mayweather was, I think, one of the best who were doing that, like, picking the opponent at the right time. Like Shane Mosley, you know-

Joe Rogan 50:14 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 50:14 ... when he got with Shane and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Well, Shane cracked him.

Jorge Masvidal 50:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:17 That was one of the hardest he got-

Jorge Masvidal 50:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 ... ever got hit.

Jorge Masvidal 50:19 He almost went down to a knee, I remember.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 50:20 Yeah, yeah. And then Maywea-

Joe Rogan 50:22 And got wobbled.

Jorge Masvidal 50:22 Yeah, Mayweather showed the, the dog in that fight, you know.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Mmm.

Jorge Masvidal 50:24 After that, he came back and got him, though.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yes.

Jorge Masvidal 50:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Well- well, Shane, uh, I mean, was a great fighter. But, you know, what Floyd brought to the table was that combination of discipline and technique and intelligence and- and just, uh, just constant steady improvement.

Jorge Masvidal 50:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:43 I mean, th- that guy was a treat. He was a treat to watch.

Jorge Masvidal 50:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 And he's still out there doing these exhibitions-

Jorge Masvidal 50:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:49 ... which is hilarious. Picking up 10 million here, 10 million there.

Jorge Masvidal 50:52 Love it.

Joe Rogan 50:52 Fucking people up.

Jorge Masvidal 50:53 Fucking people up.

Joe Rogan 50:54 People that have no business being in there with him.

Jorge Masvidal 50:56 No, I've seen some of, like, the, uh, the videos of him getting, like, YouTubers and shit, and just fucking-

Joe Rogan 51:00 Yeah. (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 51:00 ... torturing him, bro. And I- I- I'm a mean motherfucker, so I- I personally like to see that, you know.

Joe Rogan 51:05 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 51:05 Especially when guys think, like, "Yeah, I- I've been boxing for, like, two, three years. I could ha-" No.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Oh, hilarious.

Jorge Masvidal 51:10 Nah, bro. It's- you don't get it, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:11 It's funny, 'cause you think, like, "My hands are good. I'm moving, I'm good. I'll be all right." And then you're in there with him, pop! And he's, like, standing right in front of you, pop!

Jorge Masvidal 51:21 Like a, like-

Joe Rogan 51:21 And you're like, "Oh, no." Like, I-

Jorge Masvidal 51:22 Like a coiled, like, rattlesnake or something, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:25 Yeah. Yeah. He's- he's a special fighter. And I think he set the bar for a lot of upcoming guys, like a lot of these guys like Gervonta who trained with him, and all these guys that... That sets the bar when you got a guy who's that good.

Jorge Masvidal 51:36 And then you see how- how many doors you can break down just by submitting to your craft and forgetting about the world. And, like, there- there's a million things I could be doing, but I'm just gonna focus on this and everything else will come. And I think Mayweather's, like, one of the best stories for that.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Yeah, for sure.

Jorge Masvidal 51:49 Like, look at all he's accomplished outside of boxing as well, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:53 No, look, it's amazing what he's doing with business. I mean, I follow him on Instagram. It's hilarious. He's always in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. And he's making b- money make, making deals. "Look at my cars."

Jorge Masvidal 52:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:03 "Look at my wa- this is my big watch? I got a bigger watch. Sometimes I bust out this watch." He brings in, like, a fucking suitcase filled with million dollar watches.

Jorge Masvidal 52:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:10 It's like... (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 52:12 Boxing money.

Joe Rogan 52:12 It's hilar- boxing money, man.

Jorge Masvidal 52:14 Boxing money.

Joe Rogan 52:15 And his boxing money is different than everybody's boxing money now. Uh, first of all, 'cause he made so much, but then on top of that, he continues to make money even after he semi-retired.

Jorge Masvidal 52:23 Promoting.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 52:23 You know, he had it under his promotions.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 52:25 I think... I remember, uh, it was like either interview or- or something that I read that when him and De La Hoya fought, I- I think he made, uh, a couple, I want to say 17M, something. It was- it was, like, a good purse, but De La Hoya made, like, $100 million because it was under his promotion.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 52:40 And then right after that, Mayweather only did Mayweather promotions. And that's when that came and that's when he started clocking those massive checks, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah. It's- but he spends a lot too, so he's gotta keep that money flowing in. It's kind of fun to watch.

Jorge Masvidal 52:52 Yeah, definitely.

Joe Rogan 52:53 He- he's a character.

Jorge Masvidal 52:54 Like-

Joe Rogan 52:54 But the fact that he goes over to Japan-

Jorge Masvidal 52:55 He's like the Federal Reserve.

Joe Rogan 52:57 ... and fights Tenshin Nasukawa, who, like, had no business in there with him.

Jorge Masvidal 53:00 He's a, he's a boxer.

Joe Rogan 53:01 He's a 126-pounder.

Jorge Masvidal 53:02 I would've liked to seen that kickboxing though.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Oh my God. Tenshin would've fucked him up.

Jorge Masvidal 53:06 I- yeah. I would've- I would've paid good money to see that kickboxing session.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 53:09 I really thought Tenshin is- like, he beat those fucking lupini champions, and the way he did it-

Joe Rogan 53:13 Oh, yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 53:13 ... I was like, "Fuck bro, this guy is scary."

Joe Rogan 53:15 His kicks.

Jorge Masvidal 53:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:16 His kicks. Yeah, he-

Jorge Masvidal 53:17 Those counter kicks, you know?

Joe Rogan 53:18 Oh my God.

Jorge Masvidal 53:18 And great hands for-

Joe Rogan 53:19 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 53:20 ... for mutai kickboxing. The speed, the accuracy. I think he's one of the better striker fighters we got to see for that- for that time period-

Joe Rogan 53:26 No doubt.

Jorge Masvidal 53:27 ... where he was really crushing it.

Joe Rogan 53:27 But he's tiny.

Jorge Masvidal 53:29 Super tiny.

Joe Rogan 53:29 He's so small compared to Mayweather.

Jorge Masvidal 53:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:31 He just had no business being in there with him. A lot of pe- like, my friends were like, "Dude, bro, that was a fixed fight." I'm like, "No. No, it wasn't a fixed fight. That was a tiny guy against the best boxer of all time."

Jorge Masvidal 53:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:41 It's not-

Jorge Masvidal 53:41 In boxing.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yeah, in boxing.

Jorge Masvidal 53:43 Yeah, in boxing.

Joe Rogan 53:43 It just, there's no reason why they s- should've been doing that. It's like... But he's- he's able to get guys to fight him. I mean, he's got, uh, MMA guys lined up. He has all these different people lined up. He goes over and fights his exhibitions. It's amazing.

Jorge Masvidal 53:58 Collecting checks.

Joe Rogan 53:59 Yeah. Having fun, walking around with the ring card girl's car, dancing. Nah, under no threat at all. And, you know, he's 46, 47 years old. Still moves fantastic, still looks great.

Jorge Masvidal 54:11 But I heard he lives a very disciplined life, like-

Joe Rogan 54:13 Mmm.

Jorge Masvidal 54:14 ... doesn't drink, doesn't smoke. Yeah, he'll stay up late, but it's- he's gonna go right back to sleep, then wake up and train.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 54:20 And it's like a constant thing for him. It hasn't left his system. So I- I think, like, when- when any dude, uh, is like, "Man, I'm done with this." And then three, four years you pick it up, he might not be the same, especially age passed by.

Joe Rogan 54:32 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 54:32 This is a guy that you could tell he never left the gym. Maybe he left it when he retired, a couple weeks maybe. But he's, like, always in there. You know, you always see him working out, doing something, you know?

Joe Rogan 54:40 That's everything. And that's like B- Bernard Hopkins too.

Jorge Masvidal 54:43 Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:43 (clears throat) Same thing.

Jorge Masvidal 54:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Like, Bernard Hopkins was world class up until he was 50.

Jorge Masvidal 54:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Which was incredible.

Jorge Masvidal 54:48 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:49 I mean, Bernard Hopkins beat a world champion when he was 50 years old.

Jorge Masvidal 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 I mean, he was, uh, the most disciplined. And that's a guy that learned that from going to prison.

Jorge Masvidal 54:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:57 He went to prison and he's like, "This is never happening to me again."

Jorge Masvidal 55:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:01 "I'm gonna be a fucking completely different person." Ate clean, exercised.

Jorge Masvidal 55:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:06 Slept right. Never did anything wrong. Took care of his body. And still to this day, he'll post videos of him working out.

Jorge Masvidal 55:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:12 And he looks fantastic.

Jorge Masvidal 55:13 Yeah. Mean motherfucker too.

Joe Rogan 55:14 Oh yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 55:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Oh my God, dude. I mean, he was, uh, w- in his prime. I mean, I rem- I remember when he fought Tito Trinidad and everybody was counting him out.

Jorge Masvidal 55:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 And he fue- and when he grabbed the Puerto Rican flag-

Jorge Masvidal 55:25 Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:25 ... and threw it down and everybody's like-

Jorge Masvidal 55:27 Oh.

Joe Rogan 55:27 ... "No." They were chasing him (laughs) just...

Jorge Masvidal 55:29 Yeah, they were going... I heard him get ugly.

Joe Rogan 55:30 (laughs)

Jorge Masvidal 55:30 The Puerto Rican started breaking bottles over his security team's head and stuff like that. Like that was crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 55:35 It was crazy.

Jorge Masvidal 55:35 I knew he was trying to sell pay-per-view, but dang, that's nuts, man.

Joe Rogan 55:37 That's not a good way to do it.

Jorge Masvidal 55:39 So do that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 55:39 You do it in Puerto Rico like that, you get killed, man.

Joe Rogan 55:41 I know. I know. But he pulled it off. And that fight, man, he established himself in that fight.

Jorge Masvidal 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 And I believe at that time he was, like, a lot of people were thinking he was done, 'cause he was, like, in his late 30s.

Jorge Masvidal 55:52 Yeah. I think there's-

Joe Rogan 55:53 He was just getting started.

Jorge Masvidal 55:54 He still has a record for most title defenses at 160 or something like that, I think. Or definitely up there.

Joe Rogan 55:58 It's up there.

Jorge Masvidal 55:58 Or maybe he was tied with, uh, with the Argentinean guy, Monzon, something like that.

Joe Rogan 56:02 Yeah, maybe.

Jorge Masvidal 56:03 I remember there was... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:03 Yeah. Um, I'm d- I don't know what the record is in boxing, but, I mean...

Jorge Masvidal 56:07 I remember something stupid like 14 or 16 title defenses with, at 160. Something crazy. Some long, long streak.

Joe Rogan 56:14 But he was, uh, he's special in that, in that, you know... Like, I remember watching him-... when he was s- just a middleweight champion and nobody knew who he was, and, like, there was a lot of people that were complaining about his style. The-

Jorge Masvidal 56:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:27 You know, his style was boring because he would clinch guys, but then you realize, like, he's not getting hit.

Jorge Masvidal 56:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:31 Like, he was so cl- And frustrate guys, get them out of their ... They get l- they'd lose their composure, and then he would start-

Jorge Masvidal 56:37 And then boom.

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... fucking them up. Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 56:38 Yeah, little sneaky right, little-

Joe Rogan 56:39 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 56:39 ... sneaky left hook. That's, uh ... Did you, you remember his fight with Roy Jones? That's when also you were like-

Joe Rogan 56:45 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 56:45 "We know Hopkins is good, but Roy Jones is a fucking alien, bro."

Joe Rogan 56:48 Oh my God, the first fight.

Jorge Masvidal 56:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 The second fight you saw the difference because Roy was starting to slow down.

Jorge Masvidal 56:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:53 Bernard had such discipline and technique, whereas Roy-

Jorge Masvidal 56:57 And he's like ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Roy in his prime, in my opinion, was the freak of all freaks.

Jorge Masvidal 57:02 Freak. Yeah, agree.

Joe Rogan 57:03 The freak of all freaks.

Jorge Masvidal 57:04 Playing basketball games before, knocking people-

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 57:06 ... the fuck out for like two hours.

Joe Rogan 57:06 Play a full game of basketball, and then go and fuck people up.

Jorge Masvidal 57:09 Sla- slam dunking like he's fucking-

Joe Rogan 57:10 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 57:10 ... jumping off a trampoline, and he is-

Joe Rogan 57:12 His speed.

Jorge Masvidal 57:12 I believe with you. He's a freak of freaks, man. A-

Joe Rogan 57:14 His speed was insa ... He b ... He would throw a left hook instead of a jab. I mean, his-

Jorge Masvidal 57:18 Constant.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Always throwing left hooks.

Jorge Masvidal 57:21 And i- you just ... Like, whe- when, when you're seeing ... That's what's really crazy to me. Like, if I'm seeing tape and I'm a fighter, I'm like, "Well, I know he is gonna throw his left hook, so I'm gonna try to counter with this." And the speed and the setup is so out of this world that you don't even see it, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 57:34 And it's a left hook. It's like something that we've been seeing our whole lives. And, and it takes a lot longer than this, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:39 Mm-hmm.

Jorge Masvidal 57:39 'Cause you gotta cock it back and you gotta throw ... And especially the way he would throw it. Hear it and then boom, explode. And people can't see it. The, the world's best couldn't see it, so I, I'm just with you, man. I've always thought that that guy was a fucking mutant, bro.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Yeah, during his prime, I think he's the greatest. I think he's the greatest middleweight ever. Like, right up there with-

Jorge Masvidal 57:56 Pr- Greatest.

Joe Rogan 57:57 ... Habiler.

Jorge Masvidal 57:57 Greatest talent, definitely.

Joe Rogan 57:58 Yeah, the greatest talent. I mean, he-

Jorge Masvidal 58:00 Greatest talent to step in the ring.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Just speed, b- beyond speed. You know, when, when he would drop his hands and knock guys out, put his hands behind his back and knock guys out. I mean, it was like the ... His fights were executions. It was like Tyson in his prime. It was like you would ... You were waiting to see, like, when Roy was gonna take guys out.

Jorge Masvidal 58:18 Mm-hmm. But I think even freakier than Tyson for some reason.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 58:21 'Cause th- those reflexes just out of this fucking world, man.

Joe Rogan 58:23 Out of this world. People that weren't around when Roy was in his prime, I don't think they appreciate it, but man ... And went up to heavyweight and beat Ruiz. But then I think ... I think that's what fucked him. I think going up to heavyweight, got up to like close to 200 pounds.

Jorge Masvidal 58:38 Yep. Then came back down.

Joe Rogan 58:38 And then came back to 75 and he looked soft. It looked like he had just drained his body-

Jorge Masvidal 58:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:44 ... to make 75. Then Tarver caught him and knocked him out.

Jorge Masvidal 58:47 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:47 And then Glen Johnson knocked him out-

Jorge Masvidal 58:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:48 ... after that, and he was just never the same.

Jorge Masvidal 58:50 Yeah, very true. Like you wonder-

Joe Rogan 58:52 That's-

Jorge Masvidal 58:52 ... maybe if he didn't go to heavyweight.

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 58:54 You know? I always thought the same-

Joe Rogan 58:55 Yeah, maybe he'd be staying at light heavyweight.

Jorge Masvidal 58:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:57 I mean, maybe ... But that challenge to him.

Jorge Masvidal 59:00 He, he started at 154.

Joe Rogan 59:01 I know. Isn't that crazy?

Jorge Masvidal 59:03 Beat James Toney too, which is another huge fan of James Toney.

Joe Rogan 59:05 Je- Beat James Toney and hit him with that left hook, and James Toney was a defensive genius.

Jorge Masvidal 59:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:10 And the fact that he like stood in front of him and pshhh, and just leaped in and dropped him with-

Jorge Masvidal 59:13 That, that-

Joe Rogan 59:14 ... a left hook.

Jorge Masvidal 59:14 That's like a perfect example. Like, James Toney had a fucking radar. He was-

Joe Rogan 59:18 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 59:18 He was born with fucking, a radar, and he still couldn't see Roy Jones' speed in his prime, bro. It's crazy, bro.

Joe Rogan 59:25 Yeah, his speed was like complete next level. And, you know, it's, it's interesting that he still enjoys fighting so much that he's still doing it.

Jorge Masvidal 59:33 Oh, I mean-

Joe Rogan 59:33 I mean, he's in his 50s now.

Jorge Masvidal 59:35 I get updates. Ro- Royal sending us, like, videos and stuff, and this dude still has fucking crazy speed. I would still place him slightly above average speed of most guys in boxing, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:47 I know, it's crazy.

Jorge Masvidal 59:48 It's fucking nuts. And the last thing that leave a man is his power.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Right.

Jorge Masvidal 59:51 You know, so I'm very interested in that. Obviously, there's a big age gap. Roy Jones is, uh, 54, 55. Pettis is, I think, 30 s ... He's a little younger than me. 34, 36, something like that. So that, that's why I really like this matchup because Roy's, Roy's got all this boxing experience, but youth, as we know, is youth, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Yeah.

Jorge Masvidal 1:00:09 He could pull off anything with youth. That arrogance, that fucking, that bravado that youth brings. So, I mean, fuck, bro. I'm pumped. I, I-

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 I'm pumped.

Jorge Masvidal 1:00:18 Fu- I don't know who gets it, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Yeah, I don't know who gets it either.

Jorge Masvidal 1:00:20 I'm, I'm leaning towards Roy, obviously conventional wisdom, but youth is youth, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Youth is youth, and Pettis can crack. I- he did fight lighter, you know, when you really think about it. I mean, Pettis has fought at welterweight, which is 170, in boxing, 47, but i- he fought