JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

Mike Perry 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Mike Perry.

Mike Perry 0:13 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's happening? Good to see you, brother.

Mike Perry 0:15 All right, man. Great to be here.

Joe Rogan 0:16 You want some coffee? You drink coffee?

Mike Perry 0:18 Sure, yeah. Sure, I'll take some.

Joe Rogan 0:20 All right. Dude, you have had a, a fascinating renaissance. Cheers, sir.

Mike Perry 0:25 Cheers, brother. Mm, it's hot as fuck.

Joe Rogan 0:29 This bare knuckle boxing thing has been fascinating to watch, man, because it's like someone designed the perfect sport for you.

Mike Perry 0:37 Mm.

Joe Rogan 0:38 You know what I mean?

Mike Perry 0:38 I, yes, I do.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Like, you, uh, you are particularly-

Mike Perry 0:42 I feel like it was made for me.

Joe Rogan 0:42 ... well-suited for that, and it's, I find it so fascinating because there's a, there's a certain le- and I really wanted to ask you about this 'cause there's a certain something that applies to bare knuckle fighting that just, it, it, it, it's like there's a pain, and there's a danger, and there's a wildness of it that even some very great fighters, they get to a cert- they're in there, and they're like, "I don't like this."

Mike Perry 1:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09 They're too used to gloves. They're too used to whatever they're used to. They don't, they don't want that experience once they find it, once they're in there, but you seem to thrive on it.

Mike Perry 1:19 You know, it's just a real fight to me. Um, even though, I mean, I still go to the gym and I do MMA with the guys, like, I'm, I love boxing so much though. It's, it's my forte. It's, like, what I'm good at, um, 'cause I'm, I'm cool to take a punch, get hit. That's fine. I'll take a hit to land a better one on you, and, um, in bare knuckle, I mean, there's a lot of opportunity to fight guys who, um, I mean, I did fight Julian Lane who had experience in it.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:54 He had nine fights in it-

Joe Rogan 1:56 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:56 ... when we fought, and then I fought two guys who hadn't done it yet, so, you know, um ...

Joe Rogan 2:04 But it's, it's just, like, like, let's talk about those two guys, like, first of all, Michael Venom Page, that guy is super talented.

Mike Perry 2:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11 I mean, he's extraordinary. When you watch him fight in MMA, and he's a guy that I kind of predicted one day. I was like, the one skill that's m- that you don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy blitz point fighting style 'cause those guys can cover crazy distances, those, those really good-

Mike Perry 2:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:30 ... point fighters, and he was a really good point fighter, and, um, he was the first guy that kind of shoo- showed how that style could apply in MMA. He's so elusive and so hard to hit, and, um, you know, you just put it on him.

Mike Perry 2:47 To, well, it was different, you know? It was-

Joe Rogan 2:50 It's different.

Mike Perry 2:51 ... it was boxing.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah.

Mike Perry 2:52 I mean, he beat a couple guys boxing.

Joe Rogan 2:54 Yeah.

Mike Perry 2:55 Um, but it's, um, I mean, 'cause he's good MMA. After I beat him, I thought, you know, maybe they'll try to make that fight happen in MMA now, but I do feel like I would overpower him grappling wise, um, but his legs are very dangerous. I mean, that last guy-

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah.

Mike Perry 3:11 ... he fought, he kicked him in the leg, and it was over.

Joe Rogan 3:14 Yeah, he's very dangerous. Um, that kno- the knockout of Cyborg was fucking crazy.

Mike Perry 3:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:19 That was crazy.

Mike Perry 3:20 The poking ball.

Joe Rogan 3:21 Yeah.

Mike Perry 3:21 Yeah, it was crazy.

Joe Rogan 3:22 I mean, he caved his forehead in. I mean-

Mike Perry 3:23 With his legs, that's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Yeah.

Mike Perry 3:25 His legs are dangerous.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Incredible.

Mike Perry 3:26 It's interesting to me to wa- you know, I'm hungry for fights.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Yeah.

Mike Perry 3:29 I want to fight all these motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Well, I think with a guy like that, it's funny, I, I was watching, Stylebender was on Andrew Schulza's podcast, and they were talking about him boxing some days. Like, boxing is too limited. It's too limited a fight. You think about a guy like him who applies this full wild range of things, especially with Michael Venom Page because he's so good at closing distance and kicking you and kneeing you, and that, the knee, the timing of that knee, I mean, magnificent, right?

Mike Perry 3:57 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 3:58 And when you take all that away and you only have these, it's a big difference.

Mike Perry 4:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:03 It's a gigantic difference.

Mike Perry 4:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:05 It's, it's so interesting to me.

Mike Perry 4:06 But I have the same difference, and I like it.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Yep. Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 4:09 I like it. It fits me. Um, I mean, I did boxing. Um, I had one pro boxing match. I'm still 0 and 1 as a professional boxer, but then I did that Triller thing in the triangle, and I fought, uh, Michael Seals, who was 27 and 3, in a mixed boxing match with, uh, turtle back MMA gloves, and, um, you know, I won. I mean, I just put the pressure on him the whole time.

Joe Rogan 4:36 What, what are, what are turtle back MMA gloves?

Mike Perry 4:38 Turtle back are like the training MMA gloves.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Oh, oh, okay.

Mike Perry 4:41 But it was, it was like while Metallica was playing. Oh, yeah, here it is.

Joe Rogan 4:45 Okay. Oh, so they're, they're like kind of big MMA gloves.

Mike Perry 4:48 He was 27 and 3 as a professional boxer.

Joe Rogan 4:51 Mm.

Mike Perry 4:52 He drops me, uh, like once. They counted it once, he dropped me. Uh, another time, I got hit in the back of head, and the ref saw it, and I went down a little bit, but I got right back up.

Joe Rogan 5:04 So, what is the biggest difference about bare knuckle for you?

Mike Perry 5:08 (clears throat) I've r- I've learned though, so, like, when I fought Julian Lane, his little fucking head hurt my hands 'cause it, a lot of the time with boxing gloves on, your hands are, like, open.

Joe Rogan 5:20 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 5:21 And you try to close it at the right time, but, you know, it, if you do that bare knuckle, 'cause you know how if you're squeezing your fists, it's a little harder to move. You're kind of tense.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 5:33 But in bare knuckle, you have to learn how to move while you're tense and keep your hands closed because with gloves, you can block a shot like this, but in bare knuckle, you gotta be closed up, tight, and squeezing your fists so hard so that when you hit them in the head, your ha- you don't destroy your hand.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Yeah, there's like, there's three levels of vulnerability, and the level number one is, like, you would see a lot of the, like, the Glory guys. They keep their hands in a shell, like, Alistair Overeem.

Mike Perry 6:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Or, you know, like Badr Hari.

Mike Perry 6:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Those guys will shell up. They shell up, but they have those big ass gloves, and you see that when they come to MMA, some of those shots sneak through.

Mike Perry 6:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:11 But then bare knuckle, it's, it's another level of sneaking through.It's a totally different- it's, it's really interesting to watch a really good fighter like Luke Rockhold, you know, and you. And, you know, Luke Rockhold is very skillful.

Mike Perry 6:26 I know.

Joe Rogan 6:26 He's a very skillful guy. And when you were putting it on him, I was like, "This is a totally different thing, and you are, like, uniquely suited for this totally different thing."

Mike Perry 6:38 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 6:38 Because it's, it's different than regular boxing, man. When, remember when Paulie Malignaggi fought Artem Lobov?

Mike Perry 6:44 Mm-hmm. Well, Paulie, I mean, he's a scrawny dude.

Joe Rogan 6:50 Yeah.

Mike Perry 6:50 Uh, and Lobov was just a little dog.

Joe Rogan 6:53 He's a dog.

Mike Perry 6:54 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 6:55 That dude's an animal.

Mike Perry 6:55 ... it was a good fight, to be honest. But the jabbing and moving that Paulie did didn't work for him. And Luke, I don't know, you know, that's kind of what we were talking about when you brought up Luke. We were talking about... I was talking about the tight fists and, like, how bare knuckle is different. And it's like, I figured out how to utilize the bare knuckle. I mean, I knocked his teeth out. I hit him, by the time I caught him, and then he was like, "I'm not trying to get hit like that again."

Joe Rogan 7:21 Yeah.

Mike Perry 7:21 It was a matter of time. The gap was closing. It takes a second. He hit me, too, and I told him, "I bet it." Um, I haven't talked to him about it or asked him, 'cause I don't, um, I mean, you know, he lost or whatever, so I don't talk to losers. (laughs) But I try to do what winners do, man. I try to think about winners. But when I hit him with that shot, and he didn't wanna get hit again, um, he had hit me. I got a little knot on my face right there, but I took it, and I bet it hurt him. I bet it hurt his hand. I told him before the fight, "You're gonna punch me in the head. It's gonna be the hardest thing you ever hit, and then I'm gonna, I'm gonna headbutt you in your hands, and I'm gonna punch you in your face, and you're gonna quit." And that's what he did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:02 (exhales) Wow.

Mike Perry 8:05 Yeah, it's good stuff, man.

Joe Rogan 8:06 It's a different thing, man. It's a different thing.

Mike Perry 8:09 I think I can do it in any gloves, though. Any sport. I could fight in the UFC. I have a mindset, and I fight with these guys. I do MMA. I see your belt on the wall in there when I went and did the cold plunge. Your, y- it's like a red belt or a black belt with red stripes and-

Joe Rogan 8:24 Oh, that's Jean Jacques' belt.

Mike Perry 8:25 That's not your belt?

Joe Rogan 8:26 No, no, it's Jean Jacques Machado when he, when he got his coral belt, he-

Mike Perry 8:29 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 8:29 ... he gave some of them out to some of his-

Mike Perry 8:32 Man, dudes like that, you know. Coral belt stuff. I'm, I'm going to chase back my, my black belt. I'm a purple belt, four stripe, for years now. Could have been had my brown belt. I got great jujitsu. I train with some of the best jujitsu practitioners. I just choose to sprawl and brawl. I like to punch people. I think it's the best off button. I enjoy it, and it's exciting. And it's the entertainment business, right? So, um, you know, uh, (sighs) fucking lost my-

Joe Rogan 9:01 There's something to be said for that, for sure.

Mike Perry 9:04 ... chain.

Joe Rogan 9:04 I mean, look, people love to watch you fight.

Mike Perry 9:06 Thank you. I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 9:08 You know, I'm... I was always a giant fan. You always-

Mike Perry 9:09 That's, oh, that's what I was-

Joe Rogan 9:10 You always-

Mike Perry 9:10 ... my point was.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Yeah, you had wild fights, man.

Mike Perry 9:13 I will fight anyone, anywhere.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Yeah.

Mike Perry 9:14 I would love to. Please, give me opportunities. I want to show and be... I wanna be a fucking coral belt in my own right, in my own way, and people know when Mike Perry walks down the street, it's like, "That's, what, the baddest motherfucker that ever lived, dude." Mike Perry, they're gonna talk about me, just like they did Mike Tyson. I feel like Mike Tyson. I feel different. I'm, I'm better.

Joe Rogan 9:40 What, what changed in you? Like, how, how did you come into your own? Because you were always a really good fighter, but it seems like over the last few years, you're on a completely different level.

Mike Perry 9:49 I have family. I love them so much, and, you know, I'm, I'm a human. I fuck up, I make mistakes and shit, but, you know, I ni-... I don't give up. I keep going, and I push, and I t-... you know, David Goggins type shit. You know? It's like, I stopped making fucking excuses, and fucking was like, you know, 'cause I'm hurt all the time.

Joe Rogan 10:13 Hmm.

Mike Perry 10:13 I'm always fucking hurt. I don't care. I'm like, "All right, fuck it. I gotta wake up every day and feel this shit. You can't fucking hurt me, because I'm, I'm in enough pain. I take anything you got and give it back." That's fighting. And I got... and I do it for, you know, I do it for fighting. I love fighting, s- like, ugh, that's my shit. That's... even though it hurts. It fucked my face up. I've hate-... it's a love-hate relationship. My family can hurt my feelings too. So, it's all emotional feelings, and if you tell yourself just, "Who, who cares?" Like, just, no one cares about your problems or anything, so just handle your business.

Joe Rogan 11:00 When did you get into fighting? Like, when did you get into martial arts? What, how old were you?

Mike Perry 11:04 Um, I feel like, to be honest, I feel like it was September 15th, 1991, the day I was born, but, um, 11 years old, I was on YouTube doing videos, watching Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., going to school, bringing gloves, um, or, or fighting kids on the block, um, in the grass, you know, with gloves on, busting kids up, older kids, kids my age, it doesn't matter. Um, it's just always been a fun game. I played all sports, basketball, rode my bike 20 miles all over the streets. Times have changed. Kids ain't out there like that no more. I don't know, I'm surprised I didn't get kidnapped. I probably would have stabbed the, the guy-

Joe Rogan 11:48 (laughs)

Mike Perry 11:48 ... trying to do it, though.

Joe Rogan 11:49 How many fights did you get in as a kid?

Mike Perry 11:52 Oh, man. I remember my dad always saying, "Uh-uh, I'm 100-0 in these streets."

Joe Rogan 11:57 (laughs)

Mike Perry 11:59 "I fought 200 times or something, man," you know. I'm like, "No, you didn't." I do. I fight. I... other than the streets, I mean, just my whole life, you know, I spar every week. Sometimes two or three or four times. Sometimes every day.

Joe Rogan 12:14 And are you doing MMA sparring because you wanna compete in MMA again? Are you doing it because you love it? Like...

Mike Perry 12:21 I wanna fight.... people and I want to be better than them. And, um-

Joe Rogan 12:25 In MMA too.

Mike Perry 12:26 B- yeah. It's like, I've had so much success with this b- bare knuckle box and it's like, give me a challenge.

Joe Rogan 12:33 What, what do you think about bare knuckle MMA? 'Cause I know, I, I believe Jorge Masvidal's organization does that, right? Is that, is that true?

Mike Perry 12:42 Check. Yeah. They do. Um-

Joe Rogan 12:43 I think Jorge is a bare knuckle MMA thing.

Mike Perry 12:46 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 12:46 What do you think about... 'Cause, like, why, why do we protect the, the knuckles of the hands when you don't protect all these other weapons? You don't protect elbows, you don't protect knees or shins, which are harder. It's kinda crazy that the one thing that's padded is the one thing... You're kinda padding it 'cause it's vulnerable. Well, you've figured out a way to fight, really at your best w- without that.

Mike Perry 13:11 I feel like I don't, I don't wanna use the glove as an excuse either, though. Because I feel like in ways, you can punch harder with a glove.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah.

Mike Perry 13:17 You can throw a bigger shot with a glove.

Joe Rogan 13:19 No, no, for sure.

Mike Perry 13:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 No, no argument at all. It's definitely protects your hands and it's definitely safer for the fighter.

Mike Perry 13:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:24 But is it, is it realistic? Like, why is this one thing encased? Why are your hands encased?

Mike Perry 13:29 'Cause boxing has been around for hundreds of years and that's what we did, you know. But-

Joe Rogan 13:33 I know. 'Cause it seems barbaric. It seems barbaric to be able to hit someone with bare knuckle.

Mike Perry 13:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:38 But it's really... That's, but that's the real thing. That's the r- that's real.

Mike Perry 13:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:42 Right? The knuckle thing is, like, this agreed upon padding.

Mike Perry 13:46 I mean, I'm looking into the, the business of bare knuckle. Um, I wanna do, like, a San Chao with a karate combat, uh, five-second ground and pound, uh, bare knuckle, allow elbows. Um, like, you know, PFL doesn't allow elbows-

Joe Rogan 14:03 Nah.

Mike Perry 14:03 ... so that's weird. I wanna... You know, why would you make a s- a sport where you utilize your whole body and then you're gonna cut off one of the biggest weapons? I've knocked people out with elbows.

Joe Rogan 14:16 Yeah. What do you think of Lethwei? They're using headbutts and elbows.

Mike Perry 14:22 Is that a, is that a name of a, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:24 It's a style of fighting. It's like, Muay Thai but with, like, headbutts.

Mike Perry 14:29 Oh, wow. Headbutts.

Joe Rogan 14:30 You've never, you've never seen-

Mike Perry 14:30 See-

Joe Rogan 14:31 ... that dude, David "The Duke"?

Mike Perry 14:31 ... I've been told... Or, you know, headbutts are kinda like, "Um, we don't go that far."

Joe Rogan 14:37 Put up a highlight tape of that dude.

Mike Perry 14:38 That's right. Dude's a beast.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Yeah, he's amazing. This, this cat who's the king of Lethwei is this, uh, wild dude who... He does headbutts in combinations.

Mike Perry 14:46 Lethwei is the sport?

Joe Rogan 14:48 Yeah.

Mike Perry 14:48 Okay.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Yeah. It's basically like, like a more brutal version of Muay Thai, where they allow headbutts.

Mike Perry 14:55 Okay. That's cool.

Joe Rogan 14:56 They do it in Myanmar. And this dude is actually from Canada.

Mike Perry 15:00 I've seen him before.

Joe Rogan 15:01 And he... This guy fucks everybody up, man.

Mike Perry 15:02 He headbutts the shit out of people. I've-

Joe Rogan 15:04 Oh, he fucks everybody up, man.

Mike Perry 15:05 I wanna fight him.

Joe Rogan 15:06 He's a killer. That'd be a wild fight.

Mike Perry 15:08 That'd be great.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Yeah, but this is the thing. It's, like, it's all bare knuckle, but headbutts. You're, you're allowed to do a lot of shit. (smacks lips) You hit... Like, it looks like you can't hit the guy when he's down. But y- you can throw, uh, elbows and headbutts in combination and everything's bare knuckle.

Mike Perry 15:26 Yeah. Th- you know, like I was saying, I want a challenge because... I mean, the bare knuckle is still challenging, but I made it so easy last time. Luke Rockhold didn't have a chance and it seemed like I could've beaten him in MMA.

Joe Rogan 15:40 Do you think that... Do, do you think there's ever a w- I mean, uh, could it ever be possible that even boxing would go to no, no gloves?

Mike Perry 15:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Like, if people just decide they like bare knuckle more?

Mike Perry 15:50 No, because there's this, (laughs) there's this... What do you call it? Deep down in the boxing, like, it has its own soul. And that's why-

Joe Rogan 16:01 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 16:01 ... it's been around for 200 years and, or more, and, um... You know, it's like when you ha- Speaking of boxing, T-Bud verse Spence.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Yeah. Amazing.

Mike Perry 16:12 Coming up.

Joe Rogan 16:13 Amazing. What a fight.

Mike Perry 16:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 I got goosebumps just thinking about-

Mike Perry 16:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:17 ... that one.

Mike Perry 16:18 Everything about it.

Joe Rogan 16:19 (exhales) Whoo.

Mike Perry 16:20 Spence is Spence, the same since the car accident. Even though he's had fights. I've seen him, you know, not paying attention in a fight with Ugas. Ugas was hitting him because he just was like looking around in the ring. And then... And this guy... You know, T-Bud 39 and 0?

Joe Rogan 16:36 Yeah.

Mike Perry 16:36 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Insane.

Mike Perry 16:38 So... And he's a dog.

Joe Rogan 16:40 He's a dog and he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.

Mike Perry 16:43 They're gonna fight.

Joe Rogan 16:44 That dude can fight so well, orthodox, So well, southpaw.

Mike Perry 16:46 And they hit so hard with the gloves-

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah.

Mike Perry 16:48 ... and their technique is-

Joe Rogan 16:50 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 16:50 ... so tight.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Yeah.

Mike Perry 16:52 They can't take-

Joe Rogan 16:53 This is-

Mike Perry 16:53 They can't take their gloves off, the fight be over.

Joe Rogan 16:56 Right.

Mike Perry 16:56 That's the problem. These 12-round fights, these guys go at it for tw- all 12.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 17:01 And, you know...

Joe Rogan 17:03 Yeah. It's a different thing.

Mike Perry 17:05 (sighs) .

Joe Rogan 17:05 It's just a totally different thing.

Mike Perry 17:07 I guess you gotta want a, a knockout or a technique. You know, whichever one the fans want the most. If they like bare knuckle, I mean, they do...

Joe Rogan 17:16 It's just so different.

Mike Perry 17:17 It's hot.

Joe Rogan 17:17 There's just so much you could, you could never get away with.

Mike Perry 17:20 It's exciting and it's fast-paced and everything is, like, pushes... Like, we, we go for it, so people enjoy watching it more than... You know, you're always at the fights live.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Yeah.

Mike Perry 17:31 UFC, the best fights in the world though. It's gotta be amazing.

Joe Rogan 17:34 It's amazing.

Mike Perry 17:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Yeah.

Mike Perry 17:35 You get the feel of everything, the crowd-

Joe Rogan 17:37 Oh, there's nothing like it.

Mike Perry 17:38 ... the, the moments.

Joe Rogan 17:39 Right?

Mike Perry 17:39 I know, it's great.

Joe Rogan 17:40 There's nothing like being in the room when it's happening. You know?

Mike Perry 17:42 Shout out, Philly Fresh. He fighting Jacksonville UFC event, uh, in Jacksonville, Florida on the 24th. So in 10 days.

Joe Rogan 17:50 Who is he fighting? Is he fight-

Mike Perry 17:52 He... It's a good... Uh, it's a good fucking fight. Neil Magny.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Oh.

Mike Perry 17:55 They look... They're the same, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:58 Wow. That's a good fight.

Mike Perry 17:59 Just comparison, not... It's not racist like-

Joe Rogan 18:01 (laughs)

Mike Perry 18:01 ... you know, all the jokes in the comedy club.

Joe Rogan 18:03 They're both long. They're both long.

Mike Perry 18:04 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:05 And they're both-

Mike Perry 18:05 Not from you.

Joe Rogan 18:06 No.

Mike Perry 18:06 Some of your other comics.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Wasn't me.

Mike Perry 18:08 Hilarious though.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yeah, funny dudes. Um, they're, they're both... L- like, Neil Magny has a crazy gas tank. Crazy gas tank.

Mike Perry 18:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:16 You know? And it's, and it's so...

Mike Perry 18:18 Uh, I mean he's, he's proven... Neil Magny has proven by beating people that you didn't expect him to beat-

Joe Rogan 18:26 Yeah.

Mike Perry 18:26 ... and he shows up in battles-... I t- I mean, I'm... Obviously, I'm rooting for my friend, man.

Joe Rogan 18:32 Yeah. Well, Phil-

Mike Perry 18:33 He's got great Jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Phil's on the rise too, man.

Mike Perry 18:36 And he is on the rise. And his mindset has been this-

Joe Rogan 18:39 Yeah.

Mike Perry 18:39 ... focused mindset for the past couple years. He really... You know, we both kind of made a turn and a change. He's got a couple babies now. Uh, you know, we're growing up in this sport. We've been doing this shit for... Honestly, I'm 31. I've been doing this shit for 20 years.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Do you think that, uh, bare knuckle, like, that there's less of a, a less of a length of your career if you do bare knuckle to be... Is it, is it more likely that you could get injured, like, you could hurt your hands? Or do you think that you could have the same length of career of bare knuckle as you can in, like, regular MMA?

Mike Perry 19:16 I feel like I'm going to fight every day of my life forever, for the rest of the time that I am here on this earth, because that is what I do, that is what I was put here to do. And it doesn't matter what you do for a living, you're fighting for something. Everyone's fighting. You know, I fight to get out of bed in the morning because my neck hurts. So, you know, and I'm going to keep fucking doing it every day forever until... You know, God bless my friend, Michael Murmistan and his family. He passed away. He was a great man. He's got three boys he left behind. I- I- I did a GoFundMe for the family. His wife got that. And, you know, um, boxing, you know, it did it to him. And you don't know which... Because he was so good. He was such a great... He was a black belt in Jujitsu, he's an MMA fighter, a cop, a SWAT member, and then just working out one day in boxing and his brain is bleeding and...

Joe Rogan 20:10 Oh, man.

Mike Perry 20:11 Uh, it's insane. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 20:13 Just from a sparring match?

Mike Perry 20:14 You know, I gotta go 100% now.

Joe Rogan 20:17 Yeah.

Mike Perry 20:19 Because you never know.

Joe Rogan 20:21 God damn.

Mike Perry 20:22 And I've been in wars, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 20:24 Yeah.

Mike Perry 20:24 I thought after that, but it's like, I can't give up because I have the opportunity to... I'm making money. I'm making money now. It's crazy the money I'm making. So, you know-

Joe Rogan 20:36 Look at you.

Mike Perry 20:36 I'm like-

Joe Rogan 20:37 Blowing it with Mike Perry, what's up?

Mike Perry 20:37 I know, but your money, you, you don't care about that stuff. You're like...

Joe Rogan 20:42 (laughs)

Mike Perry 20:42 I mean, this, this place, this facility, all the stuff you got, all the toys and gadgets and... It's crazy. You got... It's not even toys and gadgets. It's samurai armor from-

Joe Rogan 20:52 (laughs)

Mike Perry 20:53 ... 15 million years ago, the first samurai ever. And-

Joe Rogan 20:57 Uh, got a bison skull today.

Mike Perry 20:58 ... dinosaur bones and-

Joe Rogan 20:59 We got a bison skull coming today from John Reese.

Mike Perry 21:02 Insane.

Joe Rogan 21:02 Isn't that cool?

Mike Perry 21:03 Mike Tyson's jacket. Like...

Joe Rogan 21:05 Yeah. That's Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt.

Mike Perry 21:09 Gordon Ryan's a great Jujitsu guy, man. He's, he's done well.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Yeah.

Mike Perry 21:14 You know, I gotta do... I kind of called him out on something and, you know, he competes against... You know, in Jujitsu, those guys will compete against anyone, so it's like, I would probably lose, but if we were going to do like a slap Jitsu, I, it's-

Joe Rogan 21:29 A slap Jitsu?

Mike Perry 21:29 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Oh, shit.

Mike Perry 21:31 Hell yeah. Let's do slaps and fucking-

Joe Rogan 21:33 That's different. That is different. That adds a whole nother element.

Mike Perry 21:36 Yeah, he'll probably break my foot and I'll have to...

Joe Rogan 21:39 Hmm. Yeah, you don't want to...

Mike Perry 21:42 He could play... Uh, can he play with me though? I'm such a grown man like-

Joe Rogan 21:45 (laughs)

Mike Perry 21:45 I mean, like... (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 21:48 That's such a great way to put it.

Mike Perry 21:49 I'm... Ugh.

Joe Rogan 21:50 That's such a great way to put it.

Mike Perry 21:50 I'll fight anyone dude, but it's not a fight. It's the rules. It's how they lay the rules out for you. Bare knuckle is my rule set, for sure.

Joe Rogan 21:58 But here, here's the thing about slapping. This is the reality. If you go back and watch Bas Rutten in the Pancrase days, Bas Rutten was the first guy to figure it out. You, you're calling it a slap, but Bas Rutten is pulling his hands way back.

Mike Perry 22:11 Palming you.

Joe Rogan 22:12 And he's palming you and he can actually hit you and not even worry about hurting his hands. So he can kind of hit you harder in a lot of ways.

Mike Perry 22:19 Right. No, slaps are...

Joe Rogan 22:20 But you can, you can palm the shit out of a table.

Mike Perry 22:21 You're not allowed to slap in bare knuckle. Isn't that fucked up?

Joe Rogan 22:24 That's crazy. That's crazy.

Mike Perry 22:25 I slapped Julian Laina a couple times and the ref was like-

Joe Rogan 22:29 That's so crazy.

Mike Perry 22:30 I'm like, "Damn, bro. I can't even close my hand." It's like the fifth round, I couldn't even close my shit. I slapped him.

Joe Rogan 22:35 Look at the... Bas Rutten was fucking people's ass.

Mike Perry 22:37 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 22:37 See how he's do... Look how f- far he's pulling his hand back.

Mike Perry 22:40 Yeah. Yeah. Bas is great, man.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Oh my God.

Mike Perry 22:43 Who does it.

Joe Rogan 22:43 He was an animal. But he was figuring out how to really fuck people up with palm strikes. So it wa- it wasn't as simple as like s- slapping is safer or something like that. I think that was like one of the reasons why they, uh... You used to be able to do it in California at one point in time. You were, you were able to do Pancrase, so that you could slap, but you had to have an open hand. There was like a lot of those weird rules back then.

Mike Perry 23:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:05 You know, but Bas figured out, so like... So combat Jujitsu, with just slapping, if it's getting to the gr-... Like you could hit somebody pretty fucking hard with the palm of your hand if you're in a competition.

Mike Perry 23:16 But you have to be grappling.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Yeah.

Mike Perry 23:19 Already. You can't... It's not just slap boxing-

Joe Rogan 23:21 Right, you can't just slap from the beginning.

Mike Perry 23:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:22 Which is kind of weird too.

Mike Perry 23:23 That'd fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:24 It's kind of weird too.

Mike Perry 23:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:25 Like how-

Mike Perry 23:26 Let me. They should let me.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Yeah.

Mike Perry 23:27 Gordon Ryan would let me.

Joe Rogan 23:29 (laughs)

Mike Perry 23:29 I could... I'ma- I don't know if he'd let you. I'ma slap box his ass.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Yeah. It's, uh-

Mike Perry 23:35 I try not to let him get ahold of me. Man, I brought you some gifts.

Joe Rogan 23:38 Oh, did you?

Mike Perry 23:39 I did. I... Shit, if I could get that out of the way here. Nothing special, man. Nothing crazy 'cause you're Joe Rogan. I don't know, I tried to bring you something though. I don't-

Joe Rogan 23:48 Thank you very much. Thank you.

Mike Perry 23:48 I don't give people gifts.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Well, I appreciate it, man.

Mike Perry 23:52 Oh, let's see, man. Let's see here.

Joe Rogan 23:54 I'm glad you came in here because, uh, I've really been appreciating your fights. I really have. And, uh, especially the, uh, the bare knuckle ones recently. I'm like, "God damn."

Mike Perry 24:03 Give them any attention. Damn it.

Joe Rogan 24:06 What you got in there, dude?

Mike Perry 24:08 Everything.

Joe Rogan 24:09 (laughs)

Mike Perry 24:09 Everything, dude. I got so much stuff in here.

Joe Rogan 24:12 So you can just give it to me later if you want.

Mike Perry 24:15 No, fuck that.

Joe Rogan 24:17 (laughs)

Mike Perry 24:18 I gotta give it to you. All right, here we go.

Joe Rogan 24:22 Does your, um, contract with, uh, bare knuckle, do they let you do other kind of fights?

Mike Perry 24:29 Yes, they'll let me box.They let other guys go back to MMA and stuff, so it's like, you know, I'm in the fight business. I'm in a, I'm a hired, um, you know, assassin, I guess. I'm a hitman. I brought you the shorts that I fought Paul Felder in.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Oh, wow.

Mike Perry 24:46 They're a little beat up, but, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:49 Thank you. Thank you very much, man.

Mike Perry 24:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:50 That's awesome.

Mike Perry 24:52 Of course.

Joe Rogan 24:52 I got a-

Mike Perry 24:52 They're clean. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:53 Thank you very much. That's fucking... Uh, I also have a, a coaster from when I fought Luke Rockhold. Oh, right.

Mike Perry 25:01 It's got all of us on there. Uh, these are from Wuhan, China when-

Joe Rogan 25:06 Uh-oh.

Mike Perry 25:06 ... when COVID happened. I've had these air fresheners for a while, so I got like a couple designs. I got you a few. It's like a PMP and, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 25:18 (laughs) Air fresheners.

Mike Perry 25:19 ... my little character.

Joe Rogan 25:21 Oh, nice.

Mike Perry 25:21 Yeah, so I got those.

Joe Rogan 25:23 Oh, you got the air fresheners. I love it.

Mike Perry 25:25 Sorry, dude, I'm putting all this stuff on the table. And I got you, saved the best for last, a birthday cake.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Oh.

Mike Perry 25:37 Chocolate bar from Colorado.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Oh, thank you very much.

Mike Perry 25:40 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 25:41 Thank you very much, Mike.

Mike Perry 25:42 Oh, my pleasure, man.

Joe Rogan 25:43 That's very kind of you.

Mike Perry 25:45 Thank you for having me on the show, bro.

Joe Rogan 25:48 My pleasure.

Mike Perry 25:48 And I wish you would've told me about your show, but like God just works, man, because I, we just went for a walk. I asked my girl, I said, "Where do we go in Austin?" She knows Texas. I don't. And, uh, she's like, "6th Street." So we start fucking walking and we're like, "Oh, it's this comedy store right here, man. Everybody's in line. What's going on?" We get in line. We hit, we hear the lady, "If you're here for Joe Rogan, you know, this line's seven o'clock." I'm like, "Let's go."

Joe Rogan 26:17 (laughs)

Mike Perry 26:18 "Let's go." And you guys hooked us up anyways and got us in there. And we were sitting up top, man. It was a great show. You guys are geniuses. The way you talk and weave through a conversation. I don't know where you're going, and then boom, a punchline hits. It's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 26:34 Thanks, man. I'm glad you had a good time.

Mike Perry 26:36 So smart.

Joe Rogan 26:36 It's a fun place. I, I didn't know you were coming to town, uh, yesterday. I would have invited you. I, I, I wasn't sure if you were coming to town today.

Mike Perry 26:44 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:44 Sometimes people come in the day of.

Mike Perry 26:46 I wasn't sure. If you had set it up, I had my managers do it for me.

Joe Rogan 26:50 No.

Mike Perry 26:50 Thank God for them.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Well, I'm glad you came.

Mike Perry 26:51 First Round Management, Abe.

Joe Rogan 26:53 I'm glad you came.

Mike Perry 26:53 Malky.

Joe Rogan 26:54 Yeah.

Mike Perry 26:54 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 26:54 That, that place is wild. It's like that whole street is wild. 6th Street's like, it's crazy. Like on Saturday night, we're, we're looking through the window. It's like a zombie movie. All these people walking down the streets 'cause it's closed off.

Mike Perry 27:05 A little bit like LA.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Well, parts of it are. I mean-

Mike Perry 27:08 I didn't expect that.

Joe Rogan 27:09 There's, it's, uh, there's more tents lately, I've noticed. Like, they clean them up and then they come back again. For a while they kind of, they had housed a lot of people.

Mike Perry 27:19 It's not th- as bad though. I guess LA-

Joe Rogan 27:22 No way.

Mike Perry 27:22 ... has spots that, you know-

Joe Rogan 27:24 LA is crazy.

Mike Perry 27:25 That's-

Joe Rogan 27:25 L- LA doesn't make sense.

Mike Perry 27:26 Isn't that wild? And that's the most expensive place to live in, in the United States, really. I mean, New York and LA, and they can get, you know, them projects get...

Joe Rogan 27:35 The thing about cities like that is once they slide, it's real hard to bring them back 'cause they're like battleships. You know, when they're moved in a bad direction, when you're getting overrun by homelessness and crime, people just start moving out. And we have this, I think, a distorted idea that the way thing... Like, if something's great, it's gonna stay great. If something's a thing that's valuable, it's gonna stay valuable. It's gonna, people are gonna get to a point where you're living in a place like that, where there's tents everywhere. People are, "You, you gotta get the fuck out of here."

Mike Perry 28:07 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:07 And then everybody gets the fuck out of there.

Mike Perry 28:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Except for the people in the tents.

Mike Perry 28:13 They're gonna take it over then.

Joe Rogan 28:14 Yeah. (laughs) I mean-

Mike Perry 28:15 And-

Joe Rogan 28:16 ... it's, it's, the whole thing is nuts. You're not even allowed to litter. You can't litter, right? So how can you leave all your shit in a tent on the sidewalk? What is that?

Mike Perry 28:26 They have piles of trash.

Joe Rogan 28:28 The whole thing is crazy. It's like you can't just camp pla- places. You gotta fi- there's got to be a better solution than just letting people camp places. And I don't know what Austin did for a while though. They, they, they housed people. They put them in hotels or something because they cleaned up a giant part of it. I know there's a bunch of programs to try to like, uh, teach them trades. And there's, there's like these housing options that they, uh, some of the philanthropists out here have set up where they're trying to like, kind of reintroduce some of these people back to the community. It's difficult, but they did something and then it seems like it's kind of sliding back again. But, you know, it's all over the country now, which you never saw before.

Mike Perry 29:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Ne- When you were a kid, do you remember seeing people just camped out?

Mike Perry 29:17 I lived in Flint and I don't remember seeing a bunch of homeless people.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Yeah.

Mike Perry 29:22 You know what I mean? Flint is, uh, supposed to be a rough town in the hood, but it's... I don't know. T- 20 years ago, life was different.

Joe Rogan 29:32 Don't they say there's like 100,000 homeless people in LA? Isn't it something crazy like that?

Mike Perry 29:37 That's insane, man.

Joe Rogan 29:38 That's crazy.

Mike Perry 29:39 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 29:39 That's like the population of Boulder, Col- Colorado.

Mike Perry 29:43 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Just homeless people.

Mike Perry 29:44 How do people pull up though?

Joe Rogan 29:46 Is that true?

Mike Perry 29:46 Like Cubans pull up to Miami on these boats that they- The official count, 69,000. ... they got a piece of wood and they ord 20 or 90 miles-

Joe Rogan 29:54 Yeah.

Mike Perry 29:54 ... in this boat with like 17 family members and they pull up on a beach-

Joe Rogan 29:58 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 29:59 ... and they go s- start their life?

Joe Rogan 30:02 Yeah, but you know why? 'Cause they're escaping communism.

Mike Perry 30:05 Right. No, I mean, props.

Joe Rogan 30:07 So they're hungry. Right, right, right, right.

Mike Perry 30:07 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 30:08 But I'm saying these folks, they're not escaping communism. Most of them are mentally ill.

Mike Perry 30:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:14 When you're getting like homeless people, most of those people are mentally ill.

Mike Perry 30:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Or like severe drug addicts.

Mike Perry 30:19 Well, 'cause they're on drugs.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah. They're on drugs and they're mentally ill or both or because of. You know, it's like... But that's a lot of it. And so like in San Francisco, that's the big criticism that, uh ... There's a guy named Michael Shellenberger, and he wrote a book called San Francicko.... describing, like, what happens when progressives ruin cities like they're ruining San Francisco. And he was saying, like, that it just gets to a point where it's just, it's just, it's, what's, uh, going on is too nuts. Like, you're, you're a- allowing these people to have these open air drug dens-

Mike Perry 30:53 It's a choice though.

Joe Rogan 30:53 ... in front of everybody and you're paying 'em money to stay there.

Mike Perry 30:56 Ugh. They're paying them money?

Joe Rogan 30:57 They pay 'em money. Yeah, they give 'em money. They, they, they interviewed these guys that were like camped out and they were saying one of the good things about being a homeless person in San Francisco is they give you money. They give you, like, a certain amount of money-

Mike Perry 31:07 They give them money?

Joe Rogan 31:07 Yeah. Give you a certain amount of money every month.

Mike Perry 31:10 That's m- m-

Joe Rogan 31:11 And so there's no incentive to ever leave.

Mike Perry 31:12 ... bringing it on themselves. But you gotta want more in life. You gotta-

Joe Rogan 31:16 Yeah.

Mike Perry 31:16 ... see cool shit and be like, "I fucking wanna-"

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yeah.

Mike Perry 31:18 "... put those..." It's hard to be, um, organized. That's ha-, that's my biggest problem why I'm not so rich, I think. I gotta organize my shit, man. I get, I keep a bunch of mementos and I, I start hoarding shit.

Joe Rogan 31:36 (laughs)

Mike Perry 31:36 And I'm like, "Damn man, we're moving right now." I'm trying, I'm trying to buy this house. I'm supposed to close on a beautiful home, but the, uh, we need a new appraisal. We got one and they're getting another one, so they pushed the date, but I'm hoping we can get in here because I got the money for it.

Joe Rogan 31:52 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 31:52 So let me in. And, um, (smacks lips) but, you know, forgot my point again, man. We should sp- spark that back up.

Joe Rogan 32:01 (laughs)

Mike Perry 32:02 If, maybe I'll remember.

Joe Rogan 32:03 Re-re-fire up the engines.

Mike Perry 32:06 Man, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:07 What were, what were you saying? Hm.

Mike Perry 32:10 I don't know. I keep looking at that alien, uh, that spaceship beaming up that person. That'd be cool.

Joe Rogan 32:16 What do you think about all that alien shit, Mike Perry?

Mike Perry 32:17 Oh, it's all popping right now.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah, it is.

Mike Perry 32:20 Yeh, what are they trying to hide? They're, they're-

Joe Rogan 32:22 Right.

Mike Perry 32:22 ... just putting all this information out there.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Thank you.

Mike Perry 32:24 It's fake. It's bullshit.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Thank you, thank you.

Mike Perry 32:26 It's like they... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 32:27 Thank you. What are they trying to hide? Like why... Here's the thing. I'm so greedy-

Mike Perry 32:32 CGI shit, bro.

Joe Rogan 32:33 Yeah.

Mike Perry 32:33 There's fake shit, bro.

Joe Rogan 32:34 I don't know. I don't know what's fake and what's not fake. But I do know that it just seems weird that all this is coming at ya.

Mike Perry 32:42 Aliens are my cousin though.

Joe Rogan 32:44 Are they your cousin?

Mike Perry 32:44 I fuck, I'll fuck with the aliens.

Joe Rogan 32:46 I think they are.

Mike Perry 32:46 If they come here, if they wanna start some shit, I'll punch one of them in the face.

Joe Rogan 32:49 (laughs)

Mike Perry 32:49 But they better know how to act when they coming up in my backyard. The planet is ours, so you know, we gotta have each other's back if they really here. They ain't here. They could probably destroy us if they could come here.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Yeah. Did you see that thing in Vegas? This family said that a UFO landed in their backyard an- and like an 8-10 foot tall alien came out. Did we, have we talked about this yet?

Narrator 33:13 I don't think so. I, I mean, uh, not on here.

Joe Rogan 33:16 Not on here.

Narrator 33:16 Not officially.

Joe Rogan 33:17 Have you seen him, Mike Perry?

Mike Perry 33:18 I don't believe it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:19 Have you seen it? It's so, it seems-

Mike Perry 33:21 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 33:21 ... so dumb. First of all, why didn't they film it? They filmed all this other shit. Why didn't they film that?

Narrator 33:25 They tried.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Did they try?

Narrator 33:27 I mean, I'll, I could play their side of the story. They tried.

Joe Rogan 33:29 You've, what do you think? What do you think? I'm just being skeptical.

Mike Perry 33:31 I saw this little, like, Spanish kid was talking about-

Narrator 33:33 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 33:34 ... on Instagram, they, they were like making a video. Oh, I saw it. We saw it. It was-

Narrator 33:38 Yeah.

Mike Perry 33:39 It was real... It's like-

Narrator 33:40 Yeah.

Mike Perry 33:40 ... y'all look like, uh, paid actors.

Joe Rogan 33:42 (laughs) Well, they, there was, here's the thing. Investigative reporter, George Knapp tried to interview them on several occasions and they made appointments to have him interview them and when, when he went there, they wouldn't answer the door. (laughs)

Mike Perry 33:56 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:57 So I don't know. Maybe they're nervous about all the attention.

Mike Perry 34:01 Ho-

Joe Rogan 34:01 I don't know. I don't know.

Mike Perry 34:03 That, that seems real.

Joe Rogan 34:04 But it's, yeah.

Mike Perry 34:04 They don't want the attention. They're like, "We're not answering the door." Who-

Joe Rogan 34:08 That's possible.

Mike Perry 34:09 What, what normal people don't want the attention?

Joe Rogan 34:11 That's true. He said they're like 9 feet 10... Here. Oh, that's-

Narrator 34:16 Oh.

Joe Rogan 34:16 You got the wrong thing playing.

Narrator 34:18 Yeah, I do. Hold on. Hold on.

Joe Rogan 34:20 What is-

Narrator 34:20 I don't think the podcast is still putting on Spotify or anything.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Oh. (laughs) Yeah, that's it. (fart noise)

Narrator 34:24 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Whoops. Um.

Narrator 34:29 Uh, sound.

34:32 Camera footage.

34:33 I have butterflies, bro. I've only saw a shooting star, then these people say there's aliens in their backyard.

34:38 So when that 911 call came in, less than an hour later, police were ready to believe it.

34:43 It was like a big creature.

34:44 A big creature?

34:45 Yeah, like around five feet tall.

34:46 'Cause I'm not gonna BS you guys. One of my partners said they saw something fall out of the sky too, so that's why I'm-

34:50 Yeah.

34:50 ... kinda curious.

34:51 They did, yeah. They're sitting in our backyard. We haven't seen-

34:51 Did you see anything land in your backyard or- But after a brief investigation of the yard, officers closed the case.

Mike Perry 34:56 It's a whole video about nothing really.

Narrator 34:59 If they, if they say, "Hey, if UFO beings come back, don't call us, all right? Deal with it yourself." (laughs) That, I ain't dealing with that. (laughs)

35:05 According to former-

Mike Perry 35:05 Hmm.

Narrator 35:05 ... intelligence officer-

Joe Rogan 35:06 It's funny.

Narrator 35:06 ... David Grusch, an alien crash-

Joe Rogan 35:08 If I was an alien, those are exactly the kind of people that I would talk to.

Mike Perry 35:11 Oh, is that the spaceship?

Joe Rogan 35:12 'Cause I wouldn't know what he would believe you.

Narrator 35:12 No, this is a CGI thing.

Mike Perry 35:14 Oh.

Narrator 35:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:15 Oh, God. Why do they have CGI?

Narrator 35:16 I don't know why they would do that.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Why do they, why are you sh- telling me what I should see?

Mike Perry 35:21 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 35:22 Yeah, I don't know, man. I think for sure it's possible that alien life exists and is visiting. For sure it's possible. But also, it just seems real weird that, uh, they're so forthcoming with information and all these whistleblowers and everything. Part of me is going like, ah.

Mike Perry 35:39 Do you think aliens get sex changes?

Joe Rogan 35:42 Yeah, I think they gave up on sex, totally. If you look at like what, what a gray-

Mike Perry 35:45 They have mental sex-

Joe Rogan 35:46 Yeah.

Mike Perry 35:46 ... like telekinesis and they're like, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 35:47 Like the Matrix. If you look at what those grays look like, they have giant heads, they have spindly bodies and no gender. They have like, the, they're genderless. They probably don't reproduce with sex anymore. They probably reproduce through technology, you know? And that's pro- and they probably all look exactly the same, so they're equal in some weird way.

Mike Perry 36:08 We living in the Matrix.

Joe Rogan 36:09 Yeah.

Mike Perry 36:10 So we're asleep right now.

Joe Rogan 36:11 If you can imagine being a human being, right? You imagine b- being a person. You can imagine being another life form that eventually gets to a place and evolves either through technology or, or what, to what those things are.

Mike Perry 36:25 Right. We all adapt-

Joe Rogan 36:27 If they're real.

Mike Perry 36:28 ... in evolution.

Joe Rogan 36:29 Yeah.

Mike Perry 36:29 Yeah, right? So like-

Joe Rogan 36:30 We're not gonna stop wherever we are now.

Mike Perry 36:32 No.

Joe Rogan 36:32 We're gonna keep going.

Mike Perry 36:33 Yeah, I'm gonna grow wings and fly. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Mm.

Mike Perry 36:37 That would be cool.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Yeah. Do you think that that... I mean, tha- that's what I've thought many times when I see, like, that, that classic gray alien with the big head and the big black eyes. I always think, "Maybe that's what we are in the future. Maybe that's us."

Mike Perry 36:52 Hm.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Maybe that's what we're seeing.

Mike Perry 36:54 (laughs) I was just thinking about that metal statue you have out there with the wolf fucking the gorilla.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Oh, you know what that's from? That was a dream that I had. I had this crazy dream. (laughs)

Mike Perry 37:07 What the... (laughs) So you had somebody make what, a dream? That's cool.

Joe Rogan 37:10 I had this crazy dream that, uh, this werewolf was fucking a gorilla. (laughs)

Mike Perry 37:16 Did you draw a picture?

Joe Rogan 37:17 No. (laughs) No, I was just saying, like, I was just having a conversation with a friend and I was saying like-

Mike Perry 37:22 And somebody made it.

Joe Rogan 37:23 ... "What the fuck is dreams?" Like, "Why are dreams so fucked up?"

Mike Perry 37:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:26 And I had this dream that I was, like, sneaking around, like, trying, like, the outside of the wall, hoping they wouldn't notice me-

Mike Perry 37:32 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:33 ... while my werewolf was fucking a gorilla. Like, it made no sense. That's... and so some dude-

Mike Perry 37:39 That's cool, man.

Joe Rogan 37:39 ... made a sculpture of it and sent it to me. (laughs)

Mike Perry 37:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:42 It's crazy.

Mike Perry 37:42 I feel like I don't dream, man.

Joe Rogan 37:44 You don't dream at all?

Mike Perry 37:45 I feel like I don't... I don't really have any-

Joe Rogan 37:47 You smoke a lot of weed.

Mike Perry 37:47 ... memories of dreams.

Joe Rogan 37:49 Smoke... There it is. That's pretty dope.

Mike Perry 37:50 But I be like, living the dream.

Joe Rogan 37:53 Um, what a crazy dream world.

Mike Perry 37:55 I try to...

Narrator 37:55 That's... yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:55 This is my, my brain. Um, you smoke a lot of weed though, right?

Mike Perry 38:01 Not as much as I used to.

Joe Rogan 38:03 I think that, um, eh, for me, when I stop, whenever I take breaks, my dreams become way more vivid.

Mike Perry 38:10 Right. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:11 And I don't-

Mike Perry 38:12 Sometimes. But then sometimes I'm like, uh, sm- m- I been smoking, and then I, I do have a dream, but, like, I don't remember it-

Joe Rogan 38:21 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 38:21 ... later. Uh, I mean, I, I've told my girl a couple of times about, "Oh, I had a dream last night." She always dreams that, um, you know, being bad or cheating.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Hmm.

Mike Perry 38:36 I'm like, (clicks tongue) he said, "Why you dreaming like that?" I'm, "I'll be here at the house or I go work out in the gym." That's what I do. So, you know, (clicks tongue) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 38:47 The weird... the weirdest things about dreams is that right when you wake up, they're so vivid, but then a few minutes later you can't remember what the fuck it was. Like, it was so interesting to you when you wake up. You're like, "Wow, that dream was crazy." Like, with some pe-

Mike Perry 38:59 I feel like dreams piss me off. That's why I choose to, like, deny them sometimes.

Joe Rogan 39:04 You choose to deny them?

Mike Perry 39:05 They piss me off because I'm like, "I can't do nothing. I can't grab."

Joe Rogan 39:09 (laughs) Right.

Mike Perry 39:09 "I can't punch you in your face," or...

Joe Rogan 39:11 In a dream.

Mike Perry 39:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Yeah.

Mike Perry 39:12 But in real life, I c- I can control everything.

Joe Rogan 39:16 (clicks tongue) I've had, I've had one where I can't run away. Like, you can't run.

Mike Perry 39:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Like, something's chasing after and your legs aren't working right.

Mike Perry 39:24 Mm-hmm. Or you're dr- like, in the-

Joe Rogan 39:26 Ooh.

Mike Perry 39:26 ... wall that's sinking. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 39:28 Yeah.

Mike Perry 39:30 Damn, I gotta make a, a statue of one of my dreams.

Joe Rogan 39:35 A statue? Like that?

Mike Perry 39:36 Like that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah.

Mike Perry 39:37 I gotta do that.

Joe Rogan 39:40 Yeah. I wonder how much dreams are of reflection, of like whatever, whatever, whatever's in our genetics. Like, what if there's genetic memory? I wonder if like some, some dreams or, like, some genetic memory from the past that bounces around in your head.

Mike Perry 39:55 We all remember when you were on Fear Factor and made people eat milk penises-

Joe Rogan 40:00 (laughs)

Mike Perry 40:01 ... and we all remember that.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yeah.

Mike Perry 40:03 And it's like, (clears throat) that's a memory that is in humankind's genetics, 'cause we're living it right now.

Joe Rogan 40:12 That's ridiculous. Yeah.

Mike Perry 40:14 You know? We're all oppressed.

Joe Rogan 40:16 But I'm wondering, like, I wonder how much of, like, fears and dreams. Like, I've had a bunch of dreams about being chased by wolves.

Mike Perry 40:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:24 A bunch. And I've always wondered what that is.

Mike Perry 40:28 I don't run from wolves.

Joe Rogan 40:29 You don't run?

Mike Perry 40:30 I feel like I would give them a hug.

Joe Rogan 40:31 (laughs)

Mike Perry 40:33 "Come here, baby. Come here, baby." I'll wrestle that motherfucker to the ground.

Joe Rogan 40:36 (laughs)

Mike Perry 40:36 I'll grab a fucking wolf by his little shit ears.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Man.

Mike Perry 40:39 Be like, "Boy, I run this shit. Stop."

Joe Rogan 40:43 Wow.

Mike Perry 40:44 I have a German shepherd. He's a baby though.

Joe Rogan 40:47 There's a big difference between that and a wolf.

Mike Perry 40:50 Yeah. For sure. Whatever. You, you talk about a dog killing a bunch of jackals. I'll s- I'll get a dog. I'm human. We on top of the food chain. Fuck the aliens.

Joe Rogan 41:02 (laughs)

Mike Perry 41:02 I'm trying to eat some alien. I'm trying to eat some alien. I wanna try that shit.

Joe Rogan 41:07 Is the, is the first dude you look at an alien?

Mike Perry 41:08 Is that cannibalism?

Joe Rogan 41:09 No. No, not technically.

Mike Perry 41:11 Eating an alien?

Joe Rogan 41:11 I don't think so.

Mike Perry 41:13 All right.

Joe Rogan 41:13 It's probably frowned upon. There was a, this movie, uh-

Mike Perry 41:17 Think it'd be like octopus?

Joe Rogan 41:19 This movie called Moment of Contact, uh, and, uh, there's a UFO crashed in Varginha, Brazil in 1996. And this cop had carried one of the bodies, like the injured alien, and they put it in the back of the car and they drove it to the hospital, and then they took it to another hospital. It's all documented. It's crazy. The, the cop who was carrying the alien died of a horrific bacterial infection that they couldn't cure him of. Antibiotics didn't work. I mean, he's, he was a young guy and he was dead within like a couple of weeks.

Mike Perry 41:51 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:51 They don't know what the fuck it was. Doctors had never seen anything like it.

Mike Perry 41:56 Doctors are crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:58 Imagine if he's telling the truth.

Mike Perry 41:59 That's crazy as well.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Imagine there really is a little alien spacecraft that crashed, and he picked up a body and tried to carry it to the hospital, this being. Im- imagine them bringing a fucking alien into a hospital. Like, "Hey, look what we got here."

Mike Perry 42:14 They do. We are aliens.

Joe Rogan 42:16 Oh, okay.

Mike Perry 42:18 Do we are or we ain't? That's what I said. Is it cannibalism if I eat one of them? No? 'Cause there are different species of us, whatever we are.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Right. Swell be-

Mike Perry 42:28 We're just a germ. You remember Powerpuff Girls and they had the, the germ dudes and then the, I don't know, the green dudes?

Joe Rogan 42:36 No, I don't remember that.

Mike Perry 42:37 Yeah, that's... I, you were already grown up-

Joe Rogan 42:40 I don't think I ever watched Powerpuff G- yeah.

Mike Perry 42:40 ... when I was watching Powerpuff. I'm still s- kinda young-

Joe Rogan 42:42 (laughs)

Mike Perry 42:42 ... so I can fight for a little while.

Joe Rogan 42:43 Yeah, you're only 31.

Mike Perry 42:44 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 42:46 But how old were you-

Mike Perry 42:47 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 42:47 ... when you had your first UFC fight?

Mike Perry 42:49 (inhales deeply) 24.

Joe Rogan 42:53 24?

Mike Perry 42:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:54 And how much formal train- like, when did you start, like, formally MMA training, like training MMA in a, in a, in a gym and-

Mike Perry 43:02 Hmm. Fif-, 15 years ago. I did it as a kid.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Right. But you were saying most people-

Mike Perry 43:10 My dad talked about it. He did couple kickboxing matches, uh, um, like one or two, I don't know, uh. But he fought in the streets and stuff, I guess. So my dad was a wild dude. I mean, he, he had bo- uh, bags. He was a naval guy. He was a navy guy. Um, and he... I would use some of his boxing equipment at a young age. So, you know, I've always been punching and, uh... But formal training, I mean, I trained myself for a long time. YouTube, like I said.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Really? Did you get together with th-

Mike Perry 43:47 But I, I got with Julian Williams and I met... This Central Florida group of mixed martial artists have been around for, you know, it feels like 15 years, um, I've been knowing them. So since I was in my teens, formal training.

Joe Rogan 44:05 And d- did you go through, like, an amateur MMA program? Was there... Did you have any amateur fights?

Mike Perry 44:12 Yes. Uh, I had like 20 amateur fights, but I guess it was, like, a scattered version. There are things that are more organized and put together that... I mean, like, the boxing, like, the little kids that do boxing all over the country, they're fighting every week. They're... You know, they get how many fights before they go pro, 100 fights, 200 fights, Lomachenko, 300 fights-

Joe Rogan 44:35 Yeah.

Mike Perry 44:35 ... before they go pro. These kids and their parents, I, I see that now because the boxing gym I work at, Technique Boxing, you know, I get to be around that type of, um, whatever that is, that, that, that's that deep down, that... The soul of it. It's about the kids and they, they become great boxers over the years of doing it. And, um, you know, I've, I've done it too, but we were, like, one of the first la- I mean, the n- no fighting was already around in the '80s and then there's boxing, obviously. Uh, Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, obviously those were big fights, but, you know, now there's more formal tr- kids and, like, the karate combat dudes, they are... They've been raised well by their parents. You know what I mean? Like, they have manners and-

Joe Rogan 45:36 (laughs)

Mike Perry 45:36 ... and they, they have technique in karate-

Joe Rogan 45:39 Yeah.

Mike Perry 45:39 ... which is... It's different if you look at all the techniques. Like, Muay Thai is like a dog fight, um, but there is technique. Boxing has... It... And when I say technique, it's like positions-

Joe Rogan 45:52 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 45:53 ... of your body. That's, that's how you generate force and, you know, uh, physically control, uh, what- whatever's happening in fighting. I mean, that's what, that's what we're talking about, is how do you fight? How... Shit, why? You know, I wish I could bring something else to the world that means more. But then, you know, the world does piss me off sometimes, so I'm like, "Yay, I get to punch somebody for this." But, you know, thank God. But, you know, how can I be a, an, uh, an addition to society and make a difference and build something and think about something and be smart and... Fuck, man. Being smarter is harder, bro. (laughs) It's fucking hard out here.

Joe Rogan 46:42 What do you, what do you... What about maybe have you thought about starting a gym?

Mike Perry 46:48 Hmm. Yeah. Um. Yeah. I mean, I've (sighs) -

Joe Rogan 46:53 'Cause when-

Mike Perry 46:53 I want to do a, uh, a fight thing, a business company.

Joe Rogan 46:59 A fight business company?

Mike Perry 47:00 A fight company. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Like a promotion company?

Mike Perry 47:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:04 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there, there's-

Mike Perry 47:05 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 47:05 ... a lot of ways a guy's like, a guy like you who, you know... There's a lot of guys that can relate to people like you.

Mike Perry 47:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:12 There's a lot of guys that, you know, they wanna fight too.

Mike Perry 47:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:14 There's a lot of angry men.

Mike Perry 47:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:16 And they want to relate to a guy who's figured out a way to positively channel that.

Mike Perry 47:21 Mm-hmm. It is really positive, but then it becomes funny. It's like, I feel like I understand fighting to the point where it's like I see... I'm having trouble seeing the point of fighting. It seems like a joke. I mean, it's a fun sport and... But there comes a time, I think, when it becomes... You know, that's the question. Uh, am I gonna put it ahead of me and make it more important than my own self? I mean, I feel like I'm not getting hurt, to be honest, but I do, I do take some hits in training. You know, that shit add up. I've been taking punches for 20 years. It d- feels like, you know. Um, it doesn't hurt until later. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:08 Hmm.

Mike Perry 48:09 It hurts later and then, um, you know, so (tongue clicks) I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 48:16 Have you given thought to doing something else? Have you given thought to, like, what are you gonna do when you're done with this?

Mike Perry 48:21 Hmm. No, I feel like I just... Let's go into construction, just be an old guy.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Construction?

Mike Perry 48:26 And just be... Start fixing shit, man. Pick up some tools, old school. Get, get me... I gotta get a hot rod again, man.

Joe Rogan 48:33 (laughs)

Mike Perry 48:34 I've fucked around with a few hot rods. I'm like, "Man, I just got to, got to get another one and make it nice." And, um, you know, but I be driving the family around now, so I'm... Everything's on hold. I think... I j- really just have faith in God and I try to do what's right and be good and, um...... you know, as long as I support those around me, the women and children, I'll be good to go.

Joe Rogan 49:01 So, um, how did this, uh, bareknuckle thing come about? Like, what, what... Did you just wanna test the waters over there? Was it something... Just a lucrative offer? Like, what made you go over there?

Mike Perry 49:13 Oh, yeah, big, big money. It was big to me. It was definitely big. There was big fights. Um, but, you know, there wasn't a ton of people, uh, at the arena when I fought MVP, but everybody did see it.

Joe Rogan 49:28 Yeah.

Mike Perry 49:29 So, you know, but...

Joe Rogan 49:31 Well, I think after this Rockhold fight, it's, it's changed people's, uh, appreciation for, first of all, how difficult it is. Like, when you see Rockhold's jaw fucked up with his teeth fucked up. And you, you know, you see that you've been beating guys like him and Michael Venom Page, and it's like, this is... These are like very high-level guys, and you're, you're doing it in a sport that's like... Man, this is a com- it's a completely different thing, to me at least. It's like, what you're... The way you're describing completely makes sense about how you have to be tight all the time.

Mike Perry 50:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:06 But still move well.

Mike Perry 50:08 Um, check this out. Uh, Michael Venom Page or, or Misfits. You know Misfits Boxing?

Joe Rogan 50:14 Yes.

Mike Perry 50:14 Uh, the... What's his damn name? That English kid over there that runs Misfits Boxing. It's like Most Valuable Promotions with Jake Paul.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Jake Paul, yeah.

Mike Perry 50:24 KSI.

Joe Rogan 50:25 Mm-hmm, okay.

Mike Perry 50:25 KSI has Misfits Boxing. That's his-

Joe Rogan 50:28 Okay.

Mike Perry 50:29 And we would... Talking with my people about a possible, uh, tournament style, one night, three fights boxing with gloves, or if it... Would it be kickboxing with gloves? I don't know what it was, right? But, um... And we, me and MVP start on different sides of the bracket, and we fight three three-minute rounds each time, meaning... So, the first two, me and MVP should win the fights, and then we're fighting again in the finals for rounds, uh, seven, eight, and nine, uh, we would be fighting each other, so it'd be three opponents, three fights in one night, it would pay a bunch of money per fight.

Joe Rogan 51:17 Wow.

Mike Perry 51:18 I think that sounded kinda cool. I would lo- you know, I would definitely give MVP another shot.

Narrator 51:24 This is an event they have announced. They have a tag team event going on, and a survivor tag match too. I wonder how that works.

Joe Rogan 51:31 Tag team?

Narrator 51:32 Yeah, like, uh, Kimbo Slice Jr's on here, Asem Rahman Jr.

Joe Rogan 51:36 This is crazy.

Narrator 51:39 I have no idea how it's going based off of that, but that seems-

Joe Rogan 51:40 How are they gonna do that?

Narrator 51:42 ... interesting to watch for sure.

Joe Rogan 51:43 Tag team?

Narrator 51:44 Yeah.

Mike Perry 51:45 Huh.

Joe Rogan 51:46 Oh my God.

Mike Perry 51:48 It's gonna be wild.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Well, it just kinda makes sense, right? People are always trying to push the boundaries. People are always trying to like, "Okay, is that hardcore enough?" What about if we have a bunch of dudes fighting? Like, you've seen those Russian videos.

Mike Perry 52:00 Old school UFC.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Where they have like teams of dudes, teams of dudes meet on a field and just start beating the fuck out of each other.

Mike Perry 52:06 Oh, yeah, like 200, 600. 200... Let's go.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Crazy.

Mike Perry 52:10 I wanna try that shit though.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Crazy.

Mike Perry 52:12 See that's...

Joe Rogan 52:13 (laughs)

Mike Perry 52:13 You know, where is that group of fighting people, man? That's wild.

Joe Rogan 52:16 I, I think it was in Russia. Was, was that where it was?

Narrator 52:19 Yeah, something like that.

Mike Perry 52:20 I think there was Ireland too, man. Gypsies.

Narrator 52:23 Car fights, fighting in a phone booth.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Russians are just different, man. They're just different.

Mike Perry 52:29 That's... A well put together, um, American is fucking up there though. We are, we're up there.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Oh, for sure. For sure, but it's... We're not having groups of 200 people meet groups of 200 people and just running into each other on a football field-

Mike Perry 52:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:45 ... and beating the fuck out of each other.

Mike Perry 52:46 Where... Come on, let's go America.

Joe Rogan 52:48 (laughs)

Mike Perry 52:48 Let's do the American team versus that big Russian team man.

Joe Rogan 52:52 Oh my God.

Mike Perry 52:52 Let's see what happens, 200 on 200.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Bro, that would be scary.

Mike Perry 52:56 Mmm.

Joe Rogan 52:57 What is this?

Narrator 52:58 Team, the Team Fighting Championship.

Joe Rogan 53:00 Oh, God.

Narrator 53:02 Which is sort of what-

Joe Rogan 53:04 Yeah.

Narrator 53:04 It's not the giant field one, but this is... This is kinda the same.

Joe Rogan 53:06 So, is this in, uh, Poland versus Sweden?

Narrator 53:08 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Oh my God, this is insane. Jesus Christ.

Mike Perry 53:13 I went to Russia and they tried to-

Joe Rogan 53:14 Oh my God.

Mike Perry 53:14 You know, they tried to fight me at a press conference.

Joe Rogan 53:19 Oh my God. Where'd you go to Russia for?

Mike Perry 53:24 Uh, my friend was fighting, fucker. He fucking got beat up by this big Russian guy. He fights giants, man. He just fought, um... You know, it's not... You know. Uh, he just fought... What's that dude's name in the UFC who... Um, Johnny, uh, the 205-er, like heavyweight. Mm, well... Johnny Walker.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Johnny Walker.

Mike Perry 53:52 Yeah, and, uh, his brother. He has a brother that's-

Joe Rogan 53:55 Yeah.

Mike Perry 53:55 ... 12 and 0 or 11 and 0 now 'cause he beat Alex but he's like 260 pounds I think, and Alex is like 220-

Joe Rogan 54:05 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 54:05 ... or 225, and he fights these heavyweights, and he had a good battle with 'em. He didn't win that one but, um...

Joe Rogan 54:13 Johnny Walker is an interesting guy.

Mike Perry 54:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:16 That dude, that dude has crazy power. Look at that.

Mike Perry 54:21 Yeah, look at that. That's him.

Joe Rogan 54:24 Damn. Interesting.

Mike Perry 54:24 Good for him, man. He had a good fight, my boy.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Very interesting. 11-

Mike Perry 54:29 You know.

Joe Rogan 54:29 ... and 0. Um, Johnny Walker can... He generates power for some crazy ways. Like, um, when he was fighting Paul Craig and Paul Craig grabbed a hold of his leg and he's KOing him while he's like hopping around on one leg.

Mike Perry 54:44 Jamahal Hill, bro.

Joe Rogan 54:46 Yeah.

Mike Perry 54:47 How... That time-

Joe Rogan 54:48 Yeah.

Mike Perry 54:48 ... that he got hit in the forehead like that and he put Johnny down.

Joe Rogan 54:53 Jamahal.

Mike Perry 54:54 Jamahal's cool, bro. He from-

Joe Rogan 54:55 Yeah.

Mike Perry 54:55 He from, uh... He just like fights, man.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Yeah.

Mike Perry 54:59 He just get in there. He's...

Joe Rogan 55:01 He's got-

Mike Perry 55:01 It's real.

Joe Rogan 55:02 ... he's got amazing timing, too.

Mike Perry 55:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:04 His timing is-

Mike Perry 55:05 He's long.

Joe Rogan 55:06 He's long and it's just-

Mike Perry 55:07 But strong, though.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Yeah. Long and strong and, you know, just s- like, uh, when he fought Glover, I was like, "God, man." Jamal's like, you know, and he's coming into his own, too. There's a thing that happens to a guy, like, when he hits that championship level where they just coming in their own and they start to really shine.

Mike Perry 55:26 Hm.

Joe Rogan 55:27 And that's where he's at, like that guy's got crazy power. He's a fun dude, too. Boom. I mean-

Mike Perry 55:33 Yeah. It's wild, man. Sorry, Jon.

Joe Rogan 55:35 It's crazy, because-

Mike Perry 55:37 Let's go. Jamal, he from Grand Blanc, that's where he lives. I was talking to him the other day. I wanna, um, I'm like, "Shit, I want to train with him."

Joe Rogan 55:45 Yeah.

Mike Perry 55:45 He's the champ-

Joe Rogan 55:46 Yeah.

Mike Perry 55:47 ... at 205, outside of, you know, Jon Jones. Is he undefeated, Jamal Hill?

Joe Rogan 55:53 No. Uh-

Mike Perry 55:53 He lost.

Joe Rogan 55:53 ... Paul Craig tapped him out.

Mike Perry 55:54 Oh, his arm bar.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah, he fucked up-

Mike Perry 55:56 You didn't see Paul Craig?

Joe Rogan 55:57 ... fucked his arm up.

Mike Perry 55:57 He be having, you know, ups and downs. He can beat anyone with that grappling.

Joe Rogan 56:01 That grappling is cra- his, his guard is crazy, his guard's crazy.

Mike Perry 56:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:06 He just cinches up those triangles on people.

Mike Perry 56:08 You just gotta smash-

Joe Rogan 56:09 Yeah.

Mike Perry 56:09 ... when somebody's grabbing you, you know?

Joe Rogan 56:11 Well, that's what Johnny Walker did.

Mike Perry 56:11 You gotta have a good top game.

Joe Rogan 56:13 That's what Johnny Walker did.

Mike Perry 56:14 To, uh-

Joe Rogan 56:15 To Paul Craig.

Mike Perry 56:16 To Paul Craig, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:17 Yeah, I remember he was holding onto that leg trying to get the take down, but Johnny Walker's-

Mike Perry 56:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:20 ... just so fucking athletic. And he, uh, he's an interesting dude, man. I mean, if you back it up so you can see like how it started, so he, he like grabs his leg and look at it, he's K.O.'ing him-

Mike Perry 56:36 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 56:36 ... while, while he's holding-

Mike Perry 56:37 That's-

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... his leg up in the air. I mean, that is-

Mike Perry 56:39 Man.

Joe Rogan 56:39 ... nuts. That kind of power is nuts.

Mike Perry 56:42 Oh my gosh, see that? Yeah, that hurt his head, man.

Joe Rogan 56:44 He's a big dude for 205.

Mike Perry 56:46 That hurt his head, bro.

Joe Rogan 56:47 He's so big.

Mike Perry 56:48 Yeah, fuck. I love the fights, man. So... Oh, Yoel Romero's fighting Bellator this weekend.

Joe Rogan 56:54 I know. Isn't that wild?

Mike Perry 56:56 Damn.

Joe Rogan 56:56 He looks like he's 30 years old.

Mike Perry 56:58 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 56:59 He does! He looks exactly the same. He looks exactly the same. That dude is... It's amazing.

Mike Perry 57:05 He's a good soul, man.

Joe Rogan 57:06 He's a great soul.

Mike Perry 57:07 He's a good soul. Yoel is v- very strong, he ho- uh, he holds up the community, man. Support him.

Joe Rogan 57:13 I had, uh, a podcast I did with him and Joey Diaz, and Joey Diaz translated. So Yoel would say some of the stuff in English, but then he would say, uh, some of the stuff in Spanish, and Joey Diaz would translate it. It was amazing.

Mike Perry 57:26 Yeah, Joey Diaz-

Joe Rogan 57:27 It was amazing.

Mike Perry 57:27 ... is cool, man.

Joe Rogan 57:28 He's the best.

Mike Perry 57:29 He's a crazy guy, man.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yeah.

Mike Perry 57:30 Good for him.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Yeah, he's the best.

Mike Perry 57:33 Canna corn!

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Mike Perry 57:34 Canna corn and I'll be fine. What's that from, uh, The Longest Yard, man.

Joe Rogan 57:40 Oh, yeah.

Mike Perry 57:40 He was in there, Joey Diaz.

Joe Rogan 57:42 (laughs)

Mike Perry 57:42 Hilarious.

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah. Uh-

Mike Perry 57:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:46 He, uh, you know, he came from Cuba as well, and the way they were describing, you know, the system, uh, over in Cuba and like Yoel was talking about the wrestling system that he came up through. I was like... He goes, "It makes you a machine!" (laughs)

Mike Perry 58:03 That is good, man. A machine. I want to be a actor, bro.

Joe Rogan 58:08 D- Is that what you want to do?

Mike Perry 58:08 I'm dreamin' big. Why not?

Joe Rogan 58:09 Oh, you can do it.

Mike Perry 58:10 I'll be a... Let me be a bad guy in a movie or something, man.

Joe Rogan 58:12 That's what I'm saying. How about you in John Wick 5?

Mike Perry 58:15 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Let's go.

Mike Perry 58:16 Keanu, bro.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Right? Come on, man.

Mike Perry 58:17 Cha, cha, cha, cha, cha! Uh!

Joe Rogan 58:18 You would be an amazing bad guy assassin with a suit, with a sharp suit on.

Mike Perry 58:23 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Come on, Mike Perry.

Mike Perry 58:25 Something, man. Something nice.

Joe Rogan 58:26 That would actually, that actually would work.

Mike Perry 58:28 Uh.

Joe Rogan 58:29 That actually would work. I could see that.

Mike Perry 58:32 I'm about to go get married in Vegas, man.

Joe Rogan 58:34 All right, man.

Mike Perry 58:36 About to go do it, have a good time with the fam.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Nice.

Mike Perry 58:39 Some fun. Um, um...

Joe Rogan 58:43 So do you have, uh, any fights lined up? Like, how does it work after this, uh, y- this last which, you know, probab- this is like the most popular performance, like in terms of the amount of people that watched. The Rockhold fight-

Mike Perry 58:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:56 Was that like the biggest one that they'd put on?

Mike Perry 58:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:00 Um, so do they have anything lined up for you?

Mike Perry 59:03 Uh, apparently, you know, there's a couple deals on the table, and I really don't know what's w- uh, you know, am I supposed to decide what happens? Um, I- I really, my team is trying to get me the best deal possible. Um, life-changing deal, you know. I had success against Rockhold and it's, it's, I've been doing good and I'm, I'm trying to stay on that path and, um, you know, I'll fight anyone. That's... It don't matter. I'll fight... And, you know, a lot of haters on the internet, man. Come on UFC, give me a, give me that g- good deal man, give me a good deal. I don't think uh, they, they match a deal like the ones that I'm gonna get though. I mean, damn, where do I want to be champion? Where do I get the most views? That's, that's what I want. I want to fight in front of the biggest crowd I can and people enjoy it. Enjoy the show, man, 'cause I'm gonna go for broke, headbutt your shit and fucking, and it don't matter if it's bare knuckle or if it's with gloves or boxing gloves. A boxing ring. Anthony Pettis just fought-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Roy Jones Jr.

Mike Perry 1:00:15 ... Roy Jones Jr., it was a great fight. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:00:17 ... you know, I think that's a great fight for me, a boxing match.

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:00:22 And I love Anthony and God bless him and he's a competitor and, you know, it's, uh, I, it's just a fun little boxing match and if we could get paid good for it, I want to do it. Just show up and spar. I want to work with pro fighters all over, so I said I wanted to go work with Jamal Hill. What do you think I mean when I say work? We gonna put gloves on and try to swing at each other, so we might as well just fight. I'll fight Jamal Hill. God bless him too. I mean he'll probably beat my ass, he's too big, he's 205er, but give me a ch- I'll try it, let's go.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 I know you would.

Mike Perry 1:00:56 I'll try it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 There's a, there's a fucking hilarious-

Mike Perry 1:00:57 Bigger they are the harder they fall, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 There's a hilarious video of you with Darren Till.

Mike Perry 1:01:02 Yeah, that's a good fight.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 (laughs)

Mike Perry 1:01:03 That's a great fight.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 But when you were saying to him, uh, "Do you want to spar?"

Mike Perry 1:01:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 And he thought you were saying, "Do you want to go to the spa?"

Mike Perry 1:01:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 Like-

Mike Perry 1:01:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 ... like, go get a massage.

Mike Perry 1:01:13 I... No, I think he knew what I meant.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Oh, you think he knew.

Mike Perry 1:01:16 I think that was just his joke. He's a clever little fucker.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 (laughs)

Mike Perry 1:01:21 Uh, so, you know, but he's... That's a great fight. What did we-

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:01:27 Where do we want to do that fight? Who wants to take that fight and get the viewers from it? Is me and Darren Till in any way? Either MMA, 'cause he did MMA.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 When he-

Mike Perry 1:01:37 Mosh pit all clapped his-

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:01:39 ... face and then, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Yeah, he's a big guy that was cutting down to 172. I mean, do you think that when those guys really cut down like that, that it affects your chin?

Mike Perry 1:01:54 People want to see me fucking fight in Africa, because they say I'm from... That's what they say all over the internet, ev- that's the joke that goes around, is that I'm African-

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 (coughs) Is it on 4chan?

Mike Perry 1:02:07 ... and fucking, um, unfortune.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 4chan, you know what that is?

Mike Perry 1:02:11 What is that?

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 That's the- the Internet when, like, when you just let it go uncensored.

Mike Perry 1:02:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 It's a website with crazy people.

Mike Perry 1:02:18 Hmm. Oh, wow. No they, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Th- but it just sounds like something they might try to organize.

Mike Perry 1:02:25 It's 'cause I said it a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 Oh.

Mike Perry 1:02:27 So it's fucking, you know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 I wonder if the UFC's ever gonna have a fight in Africa. That would be wild. You know? Maybe in like the same place where Ali fought Foreman.

Mike Perry 1:02:40 The, well they got... I'm saying PFL has Francis Ngannou now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 1:02:45 Um.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 That's interesting, right?

Mike Perry 1:02:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 'Cause isn't it something crazy like, uh, Francis's opponent has to get paid a million dollars? Did you read that? Ma- let's make sure that that's true, 'cause I- I've, I bel- I think I'm repeating that, that someone told me. I wanna make sure that's true.

Mike Perry 1:03:00 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 It was at... You know what? It was, it was Stylebender. He was talking to Schultz about it. Uh, later? Yeah. About two million. Uh, the PFL has offered to pay Ngannou's opponent a minimum purse of two million dollars.

Mike Perry 1:03:19 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Ngannou did not want to face an opponent who was not paid what they deserve. Wow. He wants to see fighters be rewarded, he wants the best possible opponent. So listen, man, that spices things up. If you know you're gonna get two million bucks to fight him-

Mike Perry 1:03:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 ... guys who are on like the end of their contract?

Mike Perry 1:03:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 And what's good about that, it's just like raises competition for everybody.

Mike Perry 1:03:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 And I think there's so many fighters now that it's almost like we need more organizations. We b- I think we definitely need more weight classes, don't, don't you think?

Mike Perry 1:03:53 (inhales) Uh, yeah, just meet up and fight.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 But-

Mike Perry 1:03:58 I, I weigh 195, 190 right now. I probably lost some weight, uh, this morning, but 190, so, you know, I could fight a guy at the bar in the street. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 (laughs)

Mike Perry 1:04:12 200 pounds.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 Right, but as a sport-

Mike Perry 1:04:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 ... do you think, like as the UFC, do you think the UFC should have more weight classes?

Mike Perry 1:04:19 Boxing does, so-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:04:21 ... why not? When, I mean, who cares though? You meet a, what you meet at. At 170, to go back to 170, I've been at 75, and then my last fight was at 185. So, but MMA is different with 185, but in boxing, I was a good size for 185. It-

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Hmm.

Mike Perry 1:04:41 I'm short, and you can, you can box being short, but when you're up against the kicks, you can't be dipping down. I mean, I still do good when I fight kickboxers, but I'd have to pick it back up again. I've had some trouble getting kicked before and things like that. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think about it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 You don't think about it. You just fight, whatever.

Mike Perry 1:05:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 You don't have a preference.

Mike Perry 1:05:07 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Like, if you had a preference? Like if you had a pre- would your preference be more confident-

Mike Perry 1:05:11 Yeah, I don't care if it... Uh, sure, thanks.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 ... much more confident? Would your preference be that like the UFC comes to you with a big offer? Would that be your preference?

Mike Perry 1:05:20 (coughs) Isn't that the top of the food chain though?

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:05:22 The- the pay-per-view, the crowd, uh, the UFC pay-per-view. I mean guys-

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 Awesome.

Mike Perry 1:05:28 ... went in and out of the UFC for-

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:05:30 ... ni- since the 1990s when it came out.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 1:05:34 You know, and now and getting paid, Rampage, Jackson, uh, love that guy, man. He's great, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Oh, Rampage is awesome.

Mike Perry 1:05:42 He's got his son. He was talking about his, uh, Wanderlei's son. He has a son who does fighting too.

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Oh, no.

Mike Perry 1:05:49 So if them sons be f- could fight-

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 They gonna, they gonna fight?

Mike Perry 1:05:52 ... that could be a good fight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 Oh my God.

Mike Perry 1:05:54 Wanderlei, Rampage again.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Wow. That's crazy. Those fights they had in Pride were nuts. That's something I really wish I had seen live.

Mike Perry 1:06:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Was-

Mike Perry 1:06:04 You never saw Pride live, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 No. I did in Vegas. I saw Pride in Vegas, but it wasn't, it wasn't the same.

Mike Perry 1:06:10 Man, you see the, you see the now though.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:06:14 The UFC-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Oh, no, no, for sure.

Mike Perry 1:06:14 ... everyone knows Adesanya stuff and-

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 No, no, no, for sure.

Mike Perry 1:06:18 ... big fights, man. It's great to be a part of that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 Oh, yeah. But, um, what is different about Japan and the p- the Pride era was like y- you know, you got like 90,000 people at the Saitama Super Arena.

Mike Perry 1:06:30 Yeah, or like the Thrilla in Manila.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Yeah, yeah.

Mike Perry 1:06:33 Right? They said... And that was in Africa, right?

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 Mm-hmm, that was in Africa, yeah.

Mike Perry 1:06:36 At Ali verse Foreman.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:06:38 Biggest fight ever.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 But that was when I was a kid. I couldn't have seen that. I could have gone to Japan to watch one of those big crazy Pride events and I really feel like I shoulda.

Mike Perry 1:06:47 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 I really feel like I should have watched Fedor fight live-

Mike Perry 1:06:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 ... when he was in his prime. I shoulda, I shoulda just flown out to Japan. Fuck it.

Mike Perry 1:06:54 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:55 Because that's something that like that dude, like you wanna talk about a legend, like that dude?

Mike Perry 1:07:01 Fedor.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 I mean, he could do it all.

Mike Perry 1:07:03 Yeah, I watched his YouTube stuff too, Mirko Cro Cop. I watched-

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:07:06 ... all that stuff growing up, you know, on YouTube. I got to catch everything. I studied that I guess, everything.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 When you were watching on YouTube, did you get together with friends and practice? Like how did, how did you put it together?

Mike Perry 1:07:16 Yeah.... sometimes. Um, I would shadow box.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 Hmm.

Mike Perry 1:07:20 Shadow boxing is huge, man. Like, if you can't punch the air, then you can't punch a person.

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 True.

Mike Perry 1:07:28 You gotta know how to throw a punch and be prepared to miss, uh, be prepared to land and, you know, make it count, 'cause that's what a punch is for. It's like, I could f- take you out quick. I don't... But, you know, I guess that's what the gloves do, right?

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:07:45 I'm going to go back to that. It, uh, the boxing gloves give you a, a longer fight, a harder fight.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:07:52 No gloves, it's faster paced. They can't take it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:55 There's also the argument that you take more brain damage with gloves because you get hit more because it's easier to just hit you full blast.

Mike Perry 1:08:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:08:05 You can't train bare knuckle though.

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 So how do you train? You just train with regular boxing gloves?

Mike Perry 1:08:11 Well, sometimes, right? Like, but only like mitts. And you can't spar with anyone.

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 Right.

Mike Perry 1:08:17 No one's trying to go bare knuckle with me and-

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 Right.

Mike Perry 1:08:20 ... we gotta put 16s on-

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Right.

Mike Perry 1:08:21 ... and hit that way when, with head gear. And...

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 Don't you think in that case, like, your previous experience in bare knuckle is a giant advantage to anybody that wants to just step in and try it now? Like any- anybody even a-

Mike Perry 1:08:35 But I fought someone with nine fights.

Joe Rogan 1:08:36 Yes. Oh, no doubt.

Mike Perry 1:08:37 My first time.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 Right, no doubt. But I mean-

Mike Perry 1:08:39 I think it's boxing. I think I know boxing good.

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 Hmm.

Mike Perry 1:08:43 And I think I'm a great boxer even though I'm oh and one, so I want to get a, a boxing match that counts onto my record because the Triller one didn't.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 Right.

Mike Perry 1:08:52 So I'm, I'm still technically oh and one. I want to get a boxing match. Jake Paul, that would be... You know, he's about to fight Nate Diaz so-

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:09:02 ... that's cool. That's a good fight, man. Good for both of them. Uh... (smacks lips)

Joe Rogan 1:09:08 You could... L- look, what I'm saying is that-

Mike Perry 1:09:09 I think Nate's gonna teach him some lessons.

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 All I was getting at was that you can, you can definitely box, definitely.

Mike Perry 1:09:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 But what, what I'm saying is that like but you've done it with bare knuckle more than once. And you can't say-

Mike Perry 1:09:20 Right, it's too easy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 You're saying, but, but you're, you're saying you can't-

Mike Perry 1:09:21 Nobody wants to smoke that way.

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 ... but you're saying you can't spar that way.

Mike Perry 1:09:24 Nobody want it.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 You can't spar that way, right?

Mike Perry 1:09:26 Right, you can't.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 So that's a unique experience the first time anybody ever does it. But you've already done it.

Mike Perry 1:09:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 And you've done it multiple times successfully. That's a giant advantage. It's a giant advantage you have right now.

Mike Perry 1:09:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 It's very interesting.

Mike Perry 1:09:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 And you're, you're such a dog that you're like particularly designed for like that kind of fighting. When I was watching that l- Rockhold fight, I was like, "Jesus."

Mike Perry 1:09:46 D- I train a lot, man.

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 Oh, clearly.

Mike Perry 1:09:48 I look... If, if you look at pictures of me in that moment when I was fighting, I look like a different person. I've kind of lost it since that fight. I've built that up so much for the camp. I was a different man. I was chiseled, I was focused, I was straightened out. I, I let myself go a little bit after the fight. You're supposed to. I think that's how you heal.

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 Hmm.

Mike Perry 1:10:11 You just kind of start laying around and, you know...

Joe Rogan 1:10:15 Relax for a little bit.

Mike Perry 1:10:16 Yeah, just hang out. So...

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 Yeah. Did you bulk up for that fight?

Mike Perry 1:10:22 I, I tried to eat more. Yeah, I tried to... I eat good anyways. I love going to restaurants and just getting some nice little Wagyu or fucking caviar and all type of that good... Uh, oysters. (slurps) Suck them down while I'm hungry.

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 (laughs)

Mike Perry 1:10:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 I like the sound effects.

Mike Perry 1:10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 Ah, that's hilarious.

Mike Perry 1:10:44 Thanks. Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 Yeah, man. You're living good. You're supposed to.

Mike Perry 1:10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 You're supposed to be living good.

Mike Perry 1:10:49 You know, alcohol, I got to quit though.

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:10:52 I will again but, you know, damn, like I'm, I'm going to just sip on it next time. I, man...

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 (laughs)

Mike Perry 1:10:58 This morning was rough, boy. I ain't gonna lie. This morning was rough. The ice bath... (snaps fingers)

Joe Rogan 1:11:04 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:11:04 ... like that saved my life.

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 Yeah. Woke you right up.

Mike Perry 1:11:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 Yeah, the wa- he's, we have a new, uh, blue cube ice bath that is like a running river and you climb inside of it and it's torturous. It's torturous.

Mike Perry 1:11:18 It's great. I'm thinking about it right now. I could get in there.

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 Uh...

Mike Perry 1:11:21 I got some work I'm getting done on Fri- I'm doing PT a lot now.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 What's going on with your neck?

Mike Perry 1:11:25 Yeah, I'm doing PT, man. It's all just-

Joe Rogan 1:11:27 So what's going on with your neck?

Mike Perry 1:11:28 My shoulder just, um, tight I guess. It's like, you know... Prob- I, I, I go southpaw sometimes 'cause, to try to make it feel better. It's like, I do so much this way that this gets tight or I get so m- I get hit so much maybe on this side, this side gets tight.

Joe Rogan 1:11:46 Hmm.

Mike Perry 1:11:47 You know what I mean? So then it just takes PT and focus on it and...

Joe Rogan 1:11:52 You ever had stem cells on it?

Mike Perry 1:11:54 Oh man, that would be cool.

Joe Rogan 1:11:56 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:11:56 That would be cool, man.

Joe Rogan 1:11:57 I think that's, I think that's your move. Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:12:00 And put a needle. I, it feels like, go ahead, man. Just put a needle in there motherfucker and squirt a bunch of that shit in there. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Gordon Ryan, um, had some stem cells injected, I think he was into his shoulder, and it fixed his neck problem.

Mike Perry 1:12:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:15 He had a neck problem for a while, he was saying.

Mike Perry 1:12:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:17 And, uh, just...

Mike Perry 1:12:19 Just-

Joe Rogan 1:12:19 Because it goes, it goes through your whole body but it, it's... They do it on the site of the injury but it still, you know, there's a lot of dist-

Mike Perry 1:12:26 Helps repair.

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 Yeah, it repairs all over your body.

Mike Perry 1:12:29 Yeah, I get it. It's like a sperm goop that fucking lays all over your shit and makes new genetics.

Joe Rogan 1:12:36 Uh...

Mike Perry 1:12:36 Or, or uh, DNA.

Joe Rogan 1:12:38 Maybe. (laughs) I don't think...

Mike Perry 1:12:39 It like attaches to your DNA.

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 I wouldn't want to degrade that in a science class. I don't know if that's exactly how it goes down.

Mike Perry 1:12:45 It's, it's something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:12:46 Something like that.

Mike Perry 1:12:46 It's making babies.

Joe Rogan 1:12:47 It's doing something.

Mike Perry 1:12:48 Whatever that goop is, it makes some babies.

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 It's replicating.

Mike Perry 1:12:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:52 It's replicating.

Mike Perry 1:12:52 It fixes.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:12:54 That was a weird way to put it but...

Joe Rogan 1:12:55 I know what you're saying though.

Mike Perry 1:12:56 I don't know. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:56 Yeah, I mean, it's something like that. Whatever the fuck it is.

Mike Perry 1:13:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:00 You can take people's, parts of other people's bodies and inject into you and it helps things heal. It's like, oh...

Mike Perry 1:13:06 You just got to work on, on everything anyway so, like GSP, he's always posting like...... um, you know, stretches that he's doing or-

Joe Rogan 1:13:16 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:13:17 So, I mean, he's doing that for a reason. You gotta work an area out.

Joe Rogan 1:13:20 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 1:13:21 I know that you gotta train your ... Like, if, when your neck's hurting, you gotta train, like, do, do your back pull-ups. That's why I did that motion, because I'm thinking about doing my back muscles, so I got to ... Or the pull-ins.

Joe Rogan 1:13:35 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 1:13:35 You know, I got to strengthen the area around. That's old school, that's how we do it. That's how you deal with pain, you fucking work harder. And, you know, I, I guess, I've never ... I'm talking about, you know, why I haven't done stem cells and-

Joe Rogan 1:13:51 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 1:13:51 I don't know. I don't really care. I'm just gonna fucking deal with it and do it.

Joe Rogan 1:13:57 Well, I, uh, l-

Mike Perry 1:13:58 It picks my posture-

Joe Rogan 1:14:00 I appreciate your toughness.

Mike Perry 1:14:01 ... sitting around like McGregor.

Joe Rogan 1:14:01 I appreciate your toughness, but, I mean, I think maybe f- oh, for your, just your, your overall ability to, to be at your best-

Mike Perry 1:14:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:08 ... you should probably get it-

Mike Perry 1:14:10 Do the-

Joe Rogan 1:14:10 ... at least looked at.

Mike Perry 1:14:10 Do everything I can to try, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:13 Yeah.

Mike Perry 1:14:14 Shit is ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:15 'Cause ... I don't know.

Mike Perry 1:14:15 I don't got the money for it, so.

Joe Rogan 1:14:17 Oh, okay.

Mike Perry 1:14:17 I do got the money for it.

Joe Rogan 1:14:18 You do?

Mike Perry 1:14:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 Okay. Well-

Mike Perry 1:14:20 It was like $10,000 for some stem cells.

Joe Rogan 1:14:22 I would like to know. I know that, um, there's a really good place in Tijuana, the Cellular Performance Institute.

Mike Perry 1:14:28 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:14:28 I know the guys that, that run that.

Mike Perry 1:14:30 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:14:30 And, uh, a lot of MMA fighters have gone down there.

Mike Perry 1:14:33 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:14:33 A lot of m- uh, Eddie Bravo's gone down there, a lot of guys go down there.

Mike Perry 1:14:36 I know people who went to Colombia to do it too, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 Yeah, that's, uh, BioXcellerator.

Mike Perry 1:14:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:14:40 Panama has a r- a great place. It's, uh, Dr. Neil Riordan's place. I actually sent my mom down there twice.

Mike Perry 1:14:47 Oh, really? Your mom got it done?

Joe Rogan 1:14:49 Yeah, she's hav- she was having knee issues. Yeah. Yeah, man, it, it, it absolutely can help with some s- especially, like, soft tissue injuries. It's interesting stuff.

Mike Perry 1:15:02 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:02 It's just, it's ... New advances like that in medicine are fucking wild.

Mike Perry 1:15:07 Yeah, I know. I gotta do that.

Joe Rogan 1:15:08 To fix tissue. It's just, it's always better if you're at your best, especially n- when you're thinking about what you're doing.

Mike Perry 1:15:14 But I feel like th- that's what a camp is.

Joe Rogan 1:15:17 Mm-hmm.

Mike Perry 1:15:17 You ... I get these issues.

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 Right.

Mike Perry 1:15:20 I've had this, this neck pain seems like my life force, the, that is, uh, driving my life. I feel like I never remember a time when I didn't have a pain in my neck or just a pain just walking around.

Joe Rogan 1:15:34 In your neck always or just anywhere? Anywhere's understandable, but if it's in the same spot?

Mike Perry 1:15:40 Something's always hurt.

Joe Rogan 1:15:42 Right.

Mike Perry 1:15:42 Something's always hurt.

Joe Rogan 1:15:43 Of course.

Mike Perry 1:15:44 My finger, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:15:45 Right.

Mike Perry 1:15:46 My neck.

Joe Rogan 1:15:46 Yeah. If you're sparring all the time, something always hurt.

Mike Perry 1:15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:50 But, but in ... What I'm worried about is that, like, you ... The way you're describing it, it could be, like, a chronic injury that could be limiting your ability. Like, uh, Yoel, who we're talking about, Yoel Romero, he has his neck fused.

Mike Perry 1:16:03 Hm. What, what is that?

Joe Rogan 1:16:03 Like, did you ever see a video of him ... Uh, he had an operation where it's like his disk was so fucked up they had to fuse the disks in his neck. They had to fuse the, the spinal columns. Have you ever seen a video of him running? There's a video of him running and his neck doesn't move, because it's, like, fused. It's cra- ... See, the video says, "Yoel Romero runs like his neck is fused."

Mike Perry 1:16:25 That's not real.

Joe Rogan 1:16:25 Because it is.

Mike Perry 1:16:27 That's not what the back of his neck-

Joe Rogan 1:16:28 I don't know if that, if it really looks like-

Mike Perry 1:16:29 He don't got it ... Oh, he do have a scar? What?

Joe Rogan 1:16:31 Yeah, yeah, he does. So that's, that's his ... His neck is fused.

Mike Perry 1:16:35 Dang.

Joe Rogan 1:16:39 I think he said that that was the most frightening time of his life, 'cause he was worried that he was gonna die. But there's a video of him running, and it's crazy when you watch him run, because, like, his ... All of this doesn't move at all. It's just completely straight. W- and he just ... Look at this. Look at his neck. Isn't that wild?

Mike Perry 1:16:59 Bugging it.

Joe Rogan 1:17:02 But, like, his athleticism-

Mike Perry 1:17:05 Let's go, Yoel.

Joe Rogan 1:17:05 ... is insane, and he's doing all this athleticism with a frozen neck.

Mike Perry 1:17:11 Imagine having to fight him bare-knuckle.

Joe Rogan 1:17:15 That guy. What a, what a fucking stud. Oof.

Mike Perry 1:17:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:21 He was so good. And it's amazing that he's so good still at 46 years old. Is that what it is?

Mike Perry 1:17:27 Yeah, that too. That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:17:28 46? Fucking wild.

Mike Perry 1:17:30 I always think about guys like Dan Henderson.

Joe Rogan 1:17:32 Wild.

Mike Perry 1:17:32 Love Dan Henderson and he-

Joe Rogan 1:17:33 Love Dan Henderson.

Mike Perry 1:17:35 I love his fighting. He-

Joe Rogan 1:17:36 Dan Henderson's fighting was a ... He ... That dude, like