JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

1. 0:00 – 2:04

   Bare-knuckle renaissance: why BKFC fits Mike Perry perfectly

   1. MPMike Perry0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Mike Perry.

   4. MPMike Perry0:13

      Yes, sir.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What's happening? Good to see you, brother.

   6. MPMike Perry0:15

      All right, man. Great to be here.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You want some coffee? You drink coffee?

   8. MPMike Perry0:18

      Sure, yeah. Sure, I'll take some.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      All right. Dude, you have had a, a fascinating renaissance. Cheers, sir.

   10. MPMike Perry0:25

       Cheers, brother. Mm, it's hot as fuck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       This bare knuckle boxing thing has been fascinating to watch, man, because it's like someone designed the perfect sport for you.

   12. MPMike Perry0:37

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       You know what I mean?

   14. MPMike Perry0:38

       I, yes, I do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Like, you, uh, you are particularly-

   16. MPMike Perry0:42

       I feel like it was made for me.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       ... well-suited for that, and it's, I find it so fascinating because there's a, there's a certain le- and I really wanted to ask you about this 'cause there's a certain something that applies to bare knuckle fighting that just, it, it, it, it's like there's a pain, and there's a danger, and there's a wildness of it that even some very great fighters, they get to a cert- they're in there, and they're like, "I don't like this."

   18. MPMike Perry1:09

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       They're too used to gloves. They're too used to whatever they're used to. They don't, they don't want that experience once they find it, once they're in there, but you seem to thrive on it.

   20. MPMike Perry1:19

       You know, it's just a real fight to me. Um, even though, I mean, I still go to the gym and I do MMA with the guys, like, I'm, I love boxing so much though. It's, it's my forte. It's, like, what I'm good at, um, 'cause I'm, I'm cool to take a punch, get hit. That's fine. I'll take a hit to land a better one on you, and, um, in bare knuckle, I mean, there's a lot of opportunity to fight guys who, um, I mean, I did fight Julian Lane who had experience in it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Yeah.

   22. MPMike Perry1:54

       He had nine fights in it-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       Yeah.

   24. MPMike Perry1:56

       ... when we fought, and then I fought two guys who hadn't done it yet, so, you know, um ...

2. 2:04 – 5:04

   Breaking down the MVP fight: style differences between MMA and boxing

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:04

      But it's, it's just, like, like, let's talk about those two guys, like, first of all, Michael Venom Page, that guy is super talented.

   2. MPMike Perry2:11

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      I mean, he's extraordinary. When you watch him fight in MMA, and he's a guy that I kind of predicted one day. I was like, the one skill that's m- that you don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy blitz point fighting style 'cause those guys can cover crazy distances, those, those really good-

   4. MPMike Perry2:30

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      ... point fighters, and he was a really good point fighter, and, um, he was the first guy that kind of shoo- showed how that style could apply in MMA. He's so elusive and so hard to hit, and, um, you know, you just put it on him.

   6. MPMike Perry2:47

      To, well, it was different, you know? It was-

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      It's different.

   8. MPMike Perry2:51

      ... it was boxing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      Yeah.

   10. MPMike Perry2:52

       I mean, he beat a couple guys boxing.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Yeah.

   12. MPMike Perry2:55

       Um, but it's, um, I mean, 'cause he's good MMA. After I beat him, I thought, you know, maybe they'll try to make that fight happen in MMA now, but I do feel like I would overpower him grappling wise, um, but his legs are very dangerous. I mean, that last guy-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Yeah.

   14. MPMike Perry3:11

       ... he fought, he kicked him in the leg, and it was over.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       Yeah, he's very dangerous. Um, that kno- the knockout of Cyborg was fucking crazy.

   16. MPMike Perry3:19

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       That was crazy.

   18. MPMike Perry3:20

       The poking ball.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Yeah.

   20. MPMike Perry3:21

       Yeah, it was crazy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       I mean, he caved his forehead in. I mean-

   22. MPMike Perry3:23

       With his legs, that's what I'm saying.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       Yeah.

   24. MPMike Perry3:25

       His legs are dangerous.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       Incredible.

   26. MPMike Perry3:26

       It's interesting to me to wa- you know, I'm hungry for fights.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Yeah.

   28. MPMike Perry3:29

       I want to fight all these motherfuckers.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Well, I think with a guy like that, it's funny, I, I was watching, Stylebender was on Andrew Schulza's podcast, and they were talking about him boxing some days. Like, boxing is too limited. It's too limited a fight. You think about a guy like him who applies this full wild range of things, especially with Michael Venom Page because he's so good at closing distance and kicking you and kneeing you, and that, the knee, the timing of that knee, I mean, magnificent, right?

   30. MPMike Perry3:57

       Yeah, exactly.
3. 5:04 – 6:11

   How bare knuckle changes defense and hand health

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      So, what is the biggest difference about bare knuckle for you?

   2. MPMike Perry5:08

      (clears throat) I've r- I've learned though, so, like, when I fought Julian Lane, his little fucking head hurt my hands 'cause it, a lot of the time with boxing gloves on, your hands are, like, open.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      Mm-hmm.

   4. MPMike Perry5:21

      And you try to close it at the right time, but, you know, it, if you do that bare knuckle, 'cause you know how if you're squeezing your fists, it's a little harder to move. You're kind of tense.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:33

      Mm-hmm.

   6. MPMike Perry5:33

      But in bare knuckle, you have to learn how to move while you're tense and keep your hands closed because with gloves, you can block a shot like this, but in bare knuckle, you gotta be closed up, tight, and squeezing your fists so hard so that when you hit them in the head, your ha- you don't destroy your hand.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:52

      Yeah, there's like, there's three levels of vulnerability, and the level number one is, like, you would see a lot of the, like, the Glory guys. They keep their hands in a shell, like, Alistair Overeem.

   8. MPMike Perry6:02

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Or, you know, like Badr Hari.

   10. MPMike Perry6:03

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Those guys will shell up. They shell up, but they have those big ass gloves, and you see that when they come to MMA, some of those shots sneak through.

   12. MPMike Perry6:11

       Yes.

4. 6:11 – 9:40

   Rockhold fight lessons: damage, quitting, and the mental edge

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:11

      But then bare knuckle, it's, it's another level of sneaking through.It's a totally different- it's, it's really interesting to watch a really good fighter like Luke Rockhold, you know, and you. And, you know, Luke Rockhold is very skillful.

   2. MPMike Perry6:26

      I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      He's a very skillful guy. And when you were putting it on him, I was like, "This is a totally different thing, and you are, like, uniquely suited for this totally different thing."

   4. MPMike Perry6:38

      Thank you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:38

      Because it's, it's different than regular boxing, man. When, remember when Paulie Malignaggi fought Artem Lobov?

   6. MPMike Perry6:44

      Mm-hmm. Well, Paulie, I mean, he's a scrawny dude.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      Yeah.

   8. MPMike Perry6:50

      Uh, and Lobov was just a little dog.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      He's a dog.

   10. MPMike Perry6:54

       Yeah, so-

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       That dude's an animal.

   12. MPMike Perry6:55

       ... it was a good fight, to be honest. But the jabbing and moving that Paulie did didn't work for him. And Luke, I don't know, you know, that's kind of what we were talking about when you brought up Luke. We were talking about... I was talking about the tight fists and, like, how bare knuckle is different. And it's like, I figured out how to utilize the bare knuckle. I mean, I knocked his teeth out. I hit him, by the time I caught him, and then he was like, "I'm not trying to get hit like that again."

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Yeah.

   14. MPMike Perry7:21

       It was a matter of time. The gap was closing. It takes a second. He hit me, too, and I told him, "I bet it." Um, I haven't talked to him about it or asked him, 'cause I don't, um, I mean, you know, he lost or whatever, so I don't talk to losers. (laughs) But I try to do what winners do, man. I try to think about winners. But when I hit him with that shot, and he didn't wanna get hit again, um, he had hit me. I got a little knot on my face right there, but I took it, and I bet it hurt him. I bet it hurt his hand. I told him before the fight, "You're gonna punch me in the head. It's gonna be the hardest thing you ever hit, and then I'm gonna, I'm gonna headbutt you in your hands, and I'm gonna punch you in your face, and you're gonna quit." And that's what he did. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       (exhales) Wow.

   16. MPMike Perry8:05

       Yeah, it's good stuff, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:06

       It's a different thing, man. It's a different thing.

   18. MPMike Perry8:09

       I think I can do it in any gloves, though. Any sport. I could fight in the UFC. I have a mindset, and I fight with these guys. I do MMA. I see your belt on the wall in there when I went and did the cold plunge. Your, y- it's like a red belt or a black belt with red stripes and-

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       Oh, that's Jean Jacques' belt.

   20. MPMike Perry8:25

       That's not your belt?

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       No, no, it's Jean Jacques Machado when he, when he got his coral belt, he-

   22. MPMike Perry8:29

       Uh-huh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       ... he gave some of them out to some of his-

   24. MPMike Perry8:32

       Man, dudes like that, you know. Coral belt stuff. I'm, I'm going to chase back my, my black belt. I'm a purple belt, four stripe, for years now. Could have been had my brown belt. I got great jujitsu. I train with some of the best jujitsu practitioners. I just choose to sprawl and brawl. I like to punch people. I think it's the best off button. I enjoy it, and it's exciting. And it's the entertainment business, right? So, um, you know, uh, (sighs) fucking lost my-

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       There's something to be said for that, for sure.

   26. MPMike Perry9:04

       ... chain.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       I mean, look, people love to watch you fight.

   28. MPMike Perry9:06

       Thank you. I appreciate it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       You know, I'm... I was always a giant fan. You always-

   30. MPMike Perry9:09

       That's, oh, that's what I was-
5. 9:40 – 11:00

   Evolving identity: family, discipline, and the ‘no excuses’ mindset

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      What, what changed in you? Like, how, how did you come into your own? Because you were always a really good fighter, but it seems like over the last few years, you're on a completely different level.

   2. MPMike Perry9:49

      I have family. I love them so much, and, you know, I'm, I'm a human. I fuck up, I make mistakes and shit, but, you know, I ni-... I don't give up. I keep going, and I push, and I t-... you know, David Goggins type shit. You know? It's like, I stopped making fucking excuses, and fucking was like, you know, 'cause I'm hurt all the time.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:13

      Hmm.

   4. MPMike Perry10:13

      I'm always fucking hurt. I don't care. I'm like, "All right, fuck it. I gotta wake up every day and feel this shit. You can't fucking hurt me, because I'm, I'm in enough pain. I take anything you got and give it back." That's fighting. And I got... and I do it for, you know, I do it for fighting. I love fighting, s- like, ugh, that's my shit. That's... even though it hurts. It fucked my face up. I've hate-... it's a love-hate relationship. My family can hurt my feelings too. So, it's all emotional feelings, and if you tell yourself just, "Who, who cares?" Like, just, no one cares about your problems or anything, so just handle your business.

6. 11:00 – 12:33

   Origins of a fighter: childhood scraps, YouTube learning, and formal MMA training

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      When did you get into fighting? Like, when did you get into martial arts? What, how old were you?

   2. MPMike Perry11:04

      Um, I feel like, to be honest, I feel like it was September 15th, 1991, the day I was born, but, um, 11 years old, I was on YouTube doing videos, watching Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., going to school, bringing gloves, um, or, or fighting kids on the block, um, in the grass, you know, with gloves on, busting kids up, older kids, kids my age, it doesn't matter. Um, it's just always been a fun game. I played all sports, basketball, rode my bike 20 miles all over the streets. Times have changed. Kids ain't out there like that no more. I don't know, I'm surprised I didn't get kidnapped. I probably would have stabbed the, the guy-

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:48

      (laughs)

   4. MPMike Perry11:48

      ... trying to do it, though.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:49

      How many fights did you get in as a kid?

   6. MPMike Perry11:52

      Oh, man. I remember my dad always saying, "Uh-uh, I'm 100-0 in these streets."

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:57

      (laughs)

   8. MPMike Perry11:59

      "I fought 200 times or something, man," you know. I'm like, "No, you didn't." I do. I fight. I... other than the streets, I mean, just my whole life, you know, I spar every week. Sometimes two or three or four times. Sometimes every day.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:14

      And are you doing MMA sparring because you wanna compete in MMA again? Are you doing it because you love it? Like...

   10. MPMike Perry12:21

       I wanna fight.... people and I want to be better than them. And, um-

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:25

       In MMA too.

   12. MPMike Perry12:26

       B- yeah. It's like, I've had so much success with this b- bare knuckle box and it's like, give me a challenge.

7. 12:33 – 21:14

   Future formats: bare-knuckle MMA, elbows, Lethwei, and ruleset innovation

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:33

      What, what do you think about bare knuckle MMA? 'Cause I know, I, I believe Jorge Masvidal's organization does that, right? Is that, is that true?

   2. MPMike Perry12:42

      Check. Yeah. They do. Um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:43

      I think Jorge is a bare knuckle MMA thing.

   4. MPMike Perry12:46

      (sighs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:46

      What do you think about... 'Cause, like, why, why do we protect the, the knuckles of the hands when you don't protect all these other weapons? You don't protect elbows, you don't protect knees or shins, which are harder. It's kinda crazy that the one thing that's padded is the one thing... You're kinda padding it 'cause it's vulnerable. Well, you've figured out a way to fight, really at your best w- without that.

   6. MPMike Perry13:11

      I feel like I don't, I don't wanna use the glove as an excuse either, though. Because I feel like in ways, you can punch harder with a glove.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:17

      Yeah.

   8. MPMike Perry13:17

      You can throw a bigger shot with a glove.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      No, no, for sure.

   10. MPMike Perry13:20

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       No, no argument at all. It's definitely protects your hands and it's definitely safer for the fighter.

   12. MPMike Perry13:24

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       But is it, is it realistic? Like, why is this one thing encased? Why are your hands encased?

   14. MPMike Perry13:29

       'Cause boxing has been around for hundreds of years and that's what we did, you know. But-

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       I know. 'Cause it seems barbaric. It seems barbaric to be able to hit someone with bare knuckle.

   16. MPMike Perry13:37

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       But it's really... That's, but that's the real thing. That's the r- that's real.

   18. MPMike Perry13:42

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       Right? The knuckle thing is, like, this agreed upon padding.

   20. MPMike Perry13:46

       I mean, I'm looking into the, the business of bare knuckle. Um, I wanna do, like, a San Chao with a karate combat, uh, five-second ground and pound, uh, bare knuckle, allow elbows. Um, like, you know, PFL doesn't allow elbows-

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Nah.

   22. MPMike Perry14:03

       ... so that's weird. I wanna... You know, why would you make a s- a sport where you utilize your whole body and then you're gonna cut off one of the biggest weapons? I've knocked people out with elbows.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:16

       Yeah. What do you think of Lethwei? They're using headbutts and elbows.

   24. MPMike Perry14:22

       Is that a, is that a name of a, uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       It's a style of fighting. It's like, Muay Thai but with, like, headbutts.

   26. MPMike Perry14:29

       Oh, wow. Headbutts.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       You've never, you've never seen-

   28. MPMike Perry14:30

       See-

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:31

       ... that dude, David "The Duke"?

   30. MPMike Perry14:31

       ... I've been told... Or, you know, headbutts are kinda like, "Um, we don't go that far."
8. 21:14 – 24:22

   Side quests in combat: slap fighting, Pancrase palm strikes, and ‘slap jitsu’

   1. MPMike Perry21:14

      You know, I gotta do... I kind of called him out on something and, you know, he competes against... You know, in Jujitsu, those guys will compete against anyone, so it's like, I would probably lose, but if we were going to do like a slap Jitsu, I, it's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:29

      A slap Jitsu?

   3. MPMike Perry21:29

      Hell yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:30

      Oh, shit.

   5. MPMike Perry21:31

      Hell yeah. Let's do slaps and fucking-

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:33

      That's different. That is different. That adds a whole nother element.

   7. MPMike Perry21:36

      Yeah, he'll probably break my foot and I'll have to...

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:39

      Hmm. Yeah, you don't want to...

   9. MPMike Perry21:42

      He could play... Uh, can he play with me though? I'm such a grown man like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       (laughs)

   11. MPMike Perry21:45

       I mean, like... (laughs) You know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       That's such a great way to put it.

   13. MPMike Perry21:49

       I'm... Ugh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       That's such a great way to put it.

   15. MPMike Perry21:50

       I'll fight anyone dude, but it's not a fight. It's the rules. It's how they lay the rules out for you. Bare knuckle is my rule set, for sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:58

       But here, here's the thing about slapping. This is the reality. If you go back and watch Bas Rutten in the Pancrase days, Bas Rutten was the first guy to figure it out. You, you're calling it a slap, but Bas Rutten is pulling his hands way back.

   17. MPMike Perry22:11

       Palming you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       And he's palming you and he can actually hit you and not even worry about hurting his hands. So he can kind of hit you harder in a lot of ways.

   19. MPMike Perry22:19

       Right. No, slaps are...

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       But you can, you can palm the shit out of a table.

   21. MPMike Perry22:21

       You're not allowed to slap in bare knuckle. Isn't that fucked up?

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       That's crazy. That's crazy.

   23. MPMike Perry22:25

       I slapped Julian Laina a couple times and the ref was like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       That's so crazy.

   25. MPMike Perry22:30

       I'm like, "Damn, bro. I can't even close my hand." It's like the fifth round, I couldn't even close my shit. I slapped him.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       Look at the... Bas Rutten was fucking people's ass.

   27. MPMike Perry22:37

       Yeah, dude.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       See how he's do... Look how f- far he's pulling his hand back.

   29. MPMike Perry22:40

       Yeah. Yeah. Bas is great, man.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Oh my God.
9. 24:22 – 26:54

   Contracts, gifts, and Austin comedy: Perry’s ‘fight business’ lifestyle

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:22

      Does your, um, contract with, uh, bare knuckle, do they let you do other kind of fights?

   2. MPMike Perry24:29

      Yes, they'll let me box.They let other guys go back to MMA and stuff, so it's like, you know, I'm in the fight business. I'm in a, I'm a hired, um, you know, assassin, I guess. I'm a hitman. I brought you the shorts that I fought Paul Felder in.

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:46

      Oh, wow.

   4. MPMike Perry24:46

      They're a little beat up, but, you know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:49

      Thank you. Thank you very much, man.

   6. MPMike Perry24:50

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:50

      That's awesome.

   8. MPMike Perry24:52

      Of course.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:52

      I got a-

   10. MPMike Perry24:52

       They're clean. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:53

       Thank you very much. That's fucking... Uh, I also have a, a coaster from when I fought Luke Rockhold. Oh, right.

   12. MPMike Perry25:01

       It's got all of us on there. Uh, these are from Wuhan, China when-

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:06

       Uh-oh.

   14. MPMike Perry25:06

       ... when COVID happened. I've had these air fresheners for a while, so I got like a couple designs. I got you a few. It's like a PMP and, and, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:18

       (laughs) Air fresheners.

   16. MPMike Perry25:19

       ... my little character.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       Oh, nice.

   18. MPMike Perry25:21

       Yeah, so I got those.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       Oh, you got the air fresheners. I love it.

   20. MPMike Perry25:25

       Sorry, dude, I'm putting all this stuff on the table. And I got you, saved the best for last, a birthday cake.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:36

       Oh.

   22. MPMike Perry25:37

       Chocolate bar from Colorado.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:39

       Oh, thank you very much.

   24. MPMike Perry25:40

       Yes, sir.

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       Thank you very much, Mike.

   26. MPMike Perry25:42

       Oh, my pleasure, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:43

       That's very kind of you.

   28. MPMike Perry25:45

       Thank you for having me on the show, bro.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       My pleasure.

   30. MPMike Perry25:48

       And I wish you would've told me about your show, but like God just works, man, because I, we just went for a walk. I asked my girl, I said, "Where do we go in Austin?" She knows Texas. I don't. And, uh, she's like, "6th Street." So we start fucking walking and we're like, "Oh, it's this comedy store right here, man. Everybody's in line. What's going on?" We get in line. We hit, we hear the lady, "If you're here for Joe Rogan, you know, this line's seven o'clock." I'm like, "Let's go."
10. 26:54 – 50:08

    From cities to UFOs: homelessness, policy debates, and alien skepticism

    1. JRJoe Rogan26:54

       That, that place is wild. It's like that whole street is wild. 6th Street's like, it's crazy. Like on Saturday night, we're, we're looking through the window. It's like a zombie movie. All these people walking down the streets 'cause it's closed off.

    2. MPMike Perry27:05

       A little bit like LA.

    3. JRJoe Rogan27:07

       Well, parts of it are. I mean-

    4. MPMike Perry27:08

       I didn't expect that.

    5. JRJoe Rogan27:09

       There's, it's, uh, there's more tents lately, I've noticed. Like, they clean them up and then they come back again. For a while they kind of, they had housed a lot of people.

    6. MPMike Perry27:19

       It's not th- as bad though. I guess LA-

    7. JRJoe Rogan27:22

       No way.

    8. MPMike Perry27:22

       ... has spots that, you know-

    9. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       LA is crazy.

    10. MPMike Perry27:25

        That's-

    11. JRJoe Rogan27:25

        L- LA doesn't make sense.

    12. MPMike Perry27:26

        Isn't that wild? And that's the most expensive place to live in, in the United States, really. I mean, New York and LA, and they can get, you know, them projects get...

    13. JRJoe Rogan27:35

        The thing about cities like that is once they slide, it's real hard to bring them back 'cause they're like battleships. You know, when they're moved in a bad direction, when you're getting overrun by homelessness and crime, people just start moving out. And we have this, I think, a distorted idea that the way thing... Like, if something's great, it's gonna stay great. If something's a thing that's valuable, it's gonna stay valuable. It's gonna, people are gonna get to a point where you're living in a place like that, where there's tents everywhere. People are, "You, you gotta get the fuck out of here."

    14. MPMike Perry28:07

        Hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan28:07

        And then everybody gets the fuck out of there.

    16. MPMike Perry28:09

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan28:09

        Except for the people in the tents.

    18. MPMike Perry28:13

        They're gonna take it over then.

    19. JRJoe Rogan28:14

        Yeah. (laughs) I mean-

    20. MPMike Perry28:15

        And-

    21. JRJoe Rogan28:16

        ... it's, it's, the whole thing is nuts. You're not even allowed to litter. You can't litter, right? So how can you leave all your shit in a tent on the sidewalk? What is that?

    22. MPMike Perry28:26

        They have piles of trash.

    23. JRJoe Rogan28:28

        The whole thing is crazy. It's like you can't just camp pla- places. You gotta fi- there's got to be a better solution than just letting people camp places. And I don't know what Austin did for a while though. They, they, they housed people. They put them in hotels or something because they cleaned up a giant part of it. I know there's a bunch of programs to try to like, uh, teach them trades. And there's, there's like these housing options that they, uh, some of the philanthropists out here have set up where they're trying to like, kind of reintroduce some of these people back to the community. It's difficult, but they did something and then it seems like it's kind of sliding back again. But, you know, it's all over the country now, which you never saw before.

    24. MPMike Perry29:15

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan29:15

        Ne- When you were a kid, do you remember seeing people just camped out?

    26. MPMike Perry29:17

        I lived in Flint and I don't remember seeing a bunch of homeless people.

    27. JRJoe Rogan29:22

        Yeah.

    28. MPMike Perry29:22

        You know what I mean? Flint is, uh, supposed to be a rough town in the hood, but it's... I don't know. T- 20 years ago, life was different.

    29. JRJoe Rogan29:32

        Don't they say there's like 100,000 homeless people in LA? Isn't it something crazy like that?

    30. MPMike Perry29:37

        That's insane, man.
11. 50:08 – 1:11:21

    Career leverage and spectacle matchmaking: Misfits tournaments, team fights, and big names

    1. MPMike Perry50:08

       Um, check this out. Uh, Michael Venom Page or, or Misfits. You know Misfits Boxing?

    2. JRJoe Rogan50:14

       Yes.

    3. MPMike Perry50:14

       Uh, the... What's his damn name? That English kid over there that runs Misfits Boxing. It's like Most Valuable Promotions with Jake Paul.

    4. JRJoe Rogan50:24

       Jake Paul, yeah.

    5. MPMike Perry50:24

       KSI.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:25

       Mm-hmm, okay.

    7. MPMike Perry50:25

       KSI has Misfits Boxing. That's his-

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:28

       Okay.

    9. MPMike Perry50:29

       And we would... Talking with my people about a possible, uh, tournament style, one night, three fights boxing with gloves, or if it... Would it be kickboxing with gloves? I don't know what it was, right? But, um... And we, me and MVP start on different sides of the bracket, and we fight three three-minute rounds each time, meaning... So, the first two, me and MVP should win the fights, and then we're fighting again in the finals for rounds, uh, seven, eight, and nine, uh, we would be fighting each other, so it'd be three opponents, three fights in one night, it would pay a bunch of money per fight.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:17

        Wow.

    11. MPMike Perry51:18

        I think that sounded kinda cool. I would lo- you know, I would definitely give MVP another shot.

    12. NANarrator51:24

        This is an event they have announced. They have a tag team event going on, and a survivor tag match too. I wonder how that works.

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:31

        Tag team?

    14. NANarrator51:32

        Yeah, like, uh, Kimbo Slice Jr's on here, Asem Rahman Jr.

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:36

        This is crazy.

    16. NANarrator51:39

        I have no idea how it's going based off of that, but that seems-

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:40

        How are they gonna do that?

    18. NANarrator51:42

        ... interesting to watch for sure.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:43

        Tag team?

    20. NANarrator51:44

        Yeah.

    21. MPMike Perry51:45

        Huh.

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:46

        Oh my God.

    23. MPMike Perry51:48

        It's gonna be wild.

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:49

        Well, it just kinda makes sense, right? People are always trying to push the boundaries. People are always trying to like, "Okay, is that hardcore enough?" What about if we have a bunch of dudes fighting? Like, you've seen those Russian videos.

    25. MPMike Perry52:00

        Old school UFC.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:00

        Where they have like teams of dudes, teams of dudes meet on a field and just start beating the fuck out of each other.

    27. MPMike Perry52:06

        Oh, yeah, like 200, 600. 200... Let's go.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:10

        Crazy.

    29. MPMike Perry52:10

        I wanna try that shit though.

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:12

        Crazy.
12. 1:11:21 – 1:17:43

    Pain management and longevity: neck issues, PT, stem cells, and recovery tools

    1. MPMike Perry1:11:21

       I got some work I'm getting done on Fri- I'm doing PT a lot now.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:11:25

       What's going on with your neck?

    3. MPMike Perry1:11:25

       Yeah, I'm doing PT, man. It's all just-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:11:27

       So what's going on with your neck?

    5. MPMike Perry1:11:28

       My shoulder just, um, tight I guess. It's like, you know... Prob- I, I, I go southpaw sometimes 'cause, to try to make it feel better. It's like, I do so much this way that this gets tight or I get so m- I get hit so much maybe on this side, this side gets tight.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:11:46

       Hmm.

    7. MPMike Perry1:11:47

       You know what I mean? So then it just takes PT and focus on it and...

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:11:52

       You ever had stem cells on it?

    9. MPMike Perry1:11:54

       Oh man, that would be cool.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:11:56

        Yeah.

    11. MPMike Perry1:11:56

        That would be cool, man.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:11:57

        I think that's, I think that's your move. Yeah.

    13. MPMike Perry1:12:00

        And put a needle. I, it feels like, go ahead, man. Just put a needle in there motherfucker and squirt a bunch of that shit in there. Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:12:07

        Gordon Ryan, um, had some stem cells injected, I think he was into his shoulder, and it fixed his neck problem.

    15. MPMike Perry1:12:14

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:12:15

        He had a neck problem for a while, he was saying.

    17. MPMike Perry1:12:17

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:12:17

        And, uh, just...

    19. MPMike Perry1:12:19

        Just-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:12:19

        Because it goes, it goes through your whole body but it, it's... They do it on the site of the injury but it still, you know, there's a lot of dist-

    21. MPMike Perry1:12:26

        Helps repair.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:12:27

        Yeah, it repairs all over your body.

    23. MPMike Perry1:12:29

        Yeah, I get it. It's like a sperm goop that fucking lays all over your shit and makes new genetics.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:12:36

        Uh...

    25. MPMike Perry1:12:36

        Or, or uh, DNA.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:12:38

        Maybe. (laughs) I don't think...

    27. MPMike Perry1:12:39

        It like attaches to your DNA.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:12:41

        I wouldn't want to degrade that in a science class. I don't know if that's exactly how it goes down.

    29. MPMike Perry1:12:45

        It's, it's something like that.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:12:46

        Something like that.

Episode duration: 1:48:43