JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. MPMike Perry0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Mike Perry.

   4. MPMike Perry0:13

      Yes, sir.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What's happening? Good to see you, brother.

   6. MPMike Perry0:15

      All right, man. Great to be here.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You want some coffee? You drink coffee?

   8. MPMike Perry0:18

      Sure, yeah. Sure, I'll take some.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      All right. Dude, you have had a, a fascinating renaissance. Cheers, sir.

   10. MPMike Perry0:25

       Cheers, brother. Mm, it's hot as fuck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       This bare knuckle boxing thing has been fascinating to watch, man, because it's like someone designed the perfect sport for you.

   12. MPMike Perry0:37

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       You know what I mean?

   14. MPMike Perry0:38

       I, yes, I do.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Like, you, uh, you are particularly-

   16. MPMike Perry0:42

       I feel like it was made for me.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       ... well-suited for that, and it's, I find it so fascinating because there's a, there's a certain le- and I really wanted to ask you about this 'cause there's a certain something that applies to bare knuckle fighting that just, it, it, it, it's like there's a pain, and there's a danger, and there's a wildness of it that even some very great fighters, they get to a cert- they're in there, and they're like, "I don't like this."

   18. MPMike Perry1:09

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       They're too used to gloves. They're too used to whatever they're used to. They don't, they don't want that experience once they find it, once they're in there, but you seem to thrive on it.

   20. MPMike Perry1:19

       You know, it's just a real fight to me. Um, even though, I mean, I still go to the gym and I do MMA with the guys, like, I'm, I love boxing so much though. It's, it's my forte. It's, like, what I'm good at, um, 'cause I'm, I'm cool to take a punch, get hit. That's fine. I'll take a hit to land a better one on you, and, um, in bare knuckle, I mean, there's a lot of opportunity to fight guys who, um, I mean, I did fight Julian Lane who had experience in it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Yeah.

   22. MPMike Perry1:54

       He had nine fights in it-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       Yeah.

   24. MPMike Perry1:56

       ... when we fought, and then I fought two guys who hadn't done it yet, so, you know, um ...

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:04

       But it's, it's just, like, like, let's talk about those two guys, like, first of all, Michael Venom Page, that guy is super talented.

   26. MPMike Perry2:11

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       I mean, he's extraordinary. When you watch him fight in MMA, and he's a guy that I kind of predicted one day. I was like, the one skill that's m- that you don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy blitz point fighting style 'cause those guys can cover crazy distances, those, those really good-

   28. MPMike Perry2:30

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       ... point fighters, and he was a really good point fighter, and, um, he was the first guy that kind of shoo- showed how that style could apply in MMA. He's so elusive and so hard to hit, and, um, you know, you just put it on him.

   30. MPMike Perry2:47

       To, well, it was different, you know? It was-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   I've seen him before.…

   1. MPMike Perry15:00

      I've seen him before.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      And he... This guy fucks everybody up, man.

   3. MPMike Perry15:02

      He headbutts the shit out of people. I've-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Oh, he fucks everybody up, man.

   5. MPMike Perry15:05

      I wanna fight him.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      He's a killer. That'd be a wild fight.

   7. MPMike Perry15:08

      That'd be great.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Yeah, but this is the thing. It's, like, it's all bare knuckle, but headbutts. You're, you're allowed to do a lot of shit. (smacks lips) You hit... Like, it looks like you can't hit the guy when he's down. But y- you can throw, uh, elbows and headbutts in combination and everything's bare knuckle.

   9. MPMike Perry15:26

      Yeah. Th- you know, like I was saying, I want a challenge because... I mean, the bare knuckle is still challenging, but I made it so easy last time. Luke Rockhold didn't have a chance and it seemed like I could've beaten him in MMA.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Do you think that... Do, do you think there's ever a w- I mean, uh, could it ever be possible that even boxing would go to no, no gloves?

   11. MPMike Perry15:48

       Hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Like, if people just decide they like bare knuckle more?

   13. MPMike Perry15:50

       No, because there's this, (laughs) there's this... What do you call it? Deep down in the boxing, like, it has its own soul. And that's why-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       Mm-hmm.

   15. MPMike Perry16:01

       ... it's been around for 200 years and, or more, and, um... You know, it's like when you ha- Speaking of boxing, T-Bud verse Spence.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       Yeah. Amazing.

   17. MPMike Perry16:12

       Coming up.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Amazing. What a fight.

   19. MPMike Perry16:15

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       I got goosebumps just thinking about-

   21. MPMike Perry16:17

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       ... that one.

   23. MPMike Perry16:18

       Everything about it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       (exhales) Whoo.

   25. MPMike Perry16:20

       Spence is Spence, the same since the car accident. Even though he's had fights. I've seen him, you know, not paying attention in a fight with Ugas. Ugas was hitting him because he just was like looking around in the ring. And then... And this guy... You know, T-Bud 39 and 0?

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Yeah.

   27. MPMike Perry16:36

       That's insane.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       Insane.

   29. MPMike Perry16:38

       So... And he's a dog.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       He's a dog and he's the best switch hitter since Hagler.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, but you know…

   1. MPMike Perry30:00

      s- start their life?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Yeah, but you know why? 'Cause they're escaping communism.

   3. MPMike Perry30:05

      Right. No, I mean, props.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      So they're hungry. Right, right, right, right.

   5. MPMike Perry30:07

      Absolutely.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      But I'm saying these folks, they're not escaping communism. Most of them are mentally ill.

   7. MPMike Perry30:13

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      When you're getting like homeless people, most of those people are mentally ill.

   9. MPMike Perry30:17

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Or like severe drug addicts.

   11. MPMike Perry30:19

       Well, 'cause they're on drugs.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Yeah. They're on drugs and they're mentally ill or both or because of. You know, it's like... But that's a lot of it. And so like in San Francisco, that's the big criticism that, uh ... There's a guy named Michael Shellenberger, and he wrote a book called San Francicko.... describing, like, what happens when progressives ruin cities like they're ruining San Francisco. And he was saying, like, that it just gets to a point where it's just, it's just, it's, what's, uh, going on is too nuts. Like, you're, you're a- allowing these people to have these open air drug dens-

   13. MPMike Perry30:53

       It's a choice though.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       ... in front of everybody and you're paying 'em money to stay there.

   15. MPMike Perry30:56

       Ugh. They're paying them money?

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       They pay 'em money. Yeah, they give 'em money. They, they, they interviewed these guys that were like camped out and they were saying one of the good things about being a homeless person in San Francisco is they give you money. They give you, like, a certain amount of money-

   17. MPMike Perry31:07

       They give them money?

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       Yeah. Give you a certain amount of money every month.

   19. MPMike Perry31:10

       That's m- m-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       And so there's no incentive to ever leave.

   21. MPMike Perry31:12

       ... bringing it on themselves. But you gotta want more in life. You gotta-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Yeah.

   23. MPMike Perry31:16

       ... see cool shit and be like, "I fucking wanna-"

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       Yeah.

   25. MPMike Perry31:18

       "... put those..." It's hard to be, um, organized. That's ha-, that's my biggest problem why I'm not so rich, I think. I gotta organize my shit, man. I get, I keep a bunch of mementos and I, I start hoarding shit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:36

       (laughs)

   27. MPMike Perry31:36

       And I'm like, "Damn man, we're moving right now." I'm trying, I'm trying to buy this house. I'm supposed to close on a beautiful home, but the, uh, we need a new appraisal. We got one and they're getting another one, so they pushed the date, but I'm hoping we can get in here because I got the money for it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MPMike Perry31:52

       So let me in. And, um, (smacks lips) but, you know, forgot my point again, man. We should sp- spark that back up.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       (laughs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. MPMike Perry45:00

      it. And, um, you know, I've, I've done it too, but we were, like, one of the first la- I mean, the n- no fighting was already around in the '80s and then there's boxing, obviously. Uh, Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, obviously those were big fights, but, you know, now there's more formal tr- kids and, like, the karate combat dudes, they are... They've been raised well by their parents. You know what I mean? Like, they have manners and-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      (laughs)

   3. MPMike Perry45:36

      ... and they, they have technique in karate-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:39

      Yeah.

   5. MPMike Perry45:39

      ... which is... It's different if you look at all the techniques. Like, Muay Thai is like a dog fight, um, but there is technique. Boxing has... It... And when I say technique, it's like positions-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:52

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MPMike Perry45:53

      ... of your body. That's, that's how you generate force and, you know, uh, physically control, uh, what- whatever's happening in fighting. I mean, that's what, that's what we're talking about, is how do you fight? How... Shit, why? You know, I wish I could bring something else to the world that means more. But then, you know, the world does piss me off sometimes, so I'm like, "Yay, I get to punch somebody for this." But, you know, thank God. But, you know, how can I be a, an, uh, an addition to society and make a difference and build something and think about something and be smart and... Fuck, man. Being smarter is harder, bro. (laughs) It's fucking hard out here.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:42

      What do you, what do you... What about maybe have you thought about starting a gym?

   9. MPMike Perry46:48

      Hmm. Yeah. Um. Yeah. I mean, I've (sighs) -

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       'Cause when-

   11. MPMike Perry46:53

       I want to do a, uh, a fight thing, a business company.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       A fight business company?

   13. MPMike Perry47:00

       A fight company. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       Like a promotion company?

   15. MPMike Perry47:02

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there, there's-

   17. MPMike Perry47:05

       I don't know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       ... a lot of ways a guy's like, a guy like you who, you know... There's a lot of guys that can relate to people like you.

   19. MPMike Perry47:12

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       There's a lot of guys that, you know, they wanna fight too.

   21. MPMike Perry47:14

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       There's a lot of angry men.

   23. MPMike Perry47:15

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:16

       And they want to relate to a guy who's figured out a way to positively channel that.

   25. MPMike Perry47:21

       Mm-hmm. It is really positive, but then it becomes funny. It's like, I feel like I understand fighting to the point where it's like I see... I'm having trouble seeing the point of fighting. It seems like a joke. I mean, it's a fun sport and... But there comes a time, I think, when it becomes... You know, that's the question. Uh, am I gonna put it ahead of me and make it more important than my own self? I mean, I feel like I'm not getting hurt, to be honest, but I do, I do take some hits in training. You know, that shit add up. I've been taking punches for 20 years. It d- feels like, you know. Um, it doesn't hurt until later. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:08

       Hmm.

   27. MPMike Perry48:09

       It hurts later and then, um, you know, so (tongue clicks) I don't know, man.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       Have you given thought to doing something else? Have you given thought to, like, what are you gonna do when you're done with this?

   29. MPMike Perry48:21

       Hmm. No, I feel like I just... Let's go into construction, just be an old guy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:26

       Construction?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Roy Jones Jr. …

   1. MPMike Perry1:00:00

      and people enjoy it. Enjoy the show, man, 'cause I'm gonna go for broke, headbutt your shit and fucking, and it don't matter if it's bare knuckle or if it's with gloves or boxing gloves. A boxing ring. Anthony Pettis just fought-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Roy Jones Jr.

   3. MPMike Perry1:00:15

      ... Roy Jones Jr., it was a great fight. Um-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      Yeah.

   5. MPMike Perry1:00:17

      ... you know, I think that's a great fight for me, a boxing match.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Yeah.

   7. MPMike Perry1:00:22

      And I love Anthony and God bless him and he's a competitor and, you know, it's, uh, I, it's just a fun little boxing match and if we could get paid good for it, I want to do it. Just show up and spar. I want to work with pro fighters all over, so I said I wanted to go work with Jamal Hill. What do you think I mean when I say work? We gonna put gloves on and try to swing at each other, so we might as well just fight. I'll fight Jamal Hill. God bless him too. I mean he'll probably beat my ass, he's too big, he's 205er, but give me a ch- I'll try it, let's go.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

      I know you would.

   9. MPMike Perry1:00:56

      I'll try it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       There's a, there's a fucking hilarious-

   11. MPMike Perry1:00:57

       Bigger they are the harder they fall, man.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       There's a hilarious video of you with Darren Till.

   13. MPMike Perry1:01:02

       Yeah, that's a good fight.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       (laughs)

   15. MPMike Perry1:01:03

       That's a great fight.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       But when you were saying to him, uh, "Do you want to spar?"

   17. MPMike Perry1:01:08

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       And he thought you were saying, "Do you want to go to the spa?"

   19. MPMike Perry1:01:11

       Oh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Like-

   21. MPMike Perry1:01:12

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       ... like, go get a massage.

   23. MPMike Perry1:01:13

       I... No, I think he knew what I meant.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Oh, you think he knew.

   25. MPMike Perry1:01:16

       I think that was just his joke. He's a clever little fucker.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       (laughs)

   27. MPMike Perry1:01:21

       Uh, so, you know, but he's... That's a great fight. What did we-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Yeah.

   29. MPMike Perry1:01:27

       Where do we want to do that fight? Who wants to take that fight and get the viewers from it? Is me and Darren Till in any way? Either MMA, 'cause he did MMA.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       When he-
6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:43

   Hm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      It's interesting stuff.

   2. MPMike Perry1:15:02

      Hm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:02

      It's just, it's ... New advances like that in medicine are fucking wild.

   4. MPMike Perry1:15:07

      Yeah, I know. I gotta do that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:08

      To fix tissue. It's just, it's always better if you're at your best, especially n- when you're thinking about what you're doing.

   6. MPMike Perry1:15:14

      But I feel like th- that's what a camp is.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:17

      Mm-hmm.

   8. MPMike Perry1:15:17

      You ... I get these issues.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

      Right.

   10. MPMike Perry1:15:20

       I've had this, this neck pain seems like my life force, the, that is, uh, driving my life. I feel like I never remember a time when I didn't have a pain in my neck or just a pain just walking around.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

       In your neck always or just anywhere? Anywhere's understandable, but if it's in the same spot?

   12. MPMike Perry1:15:40

       Something's always hurt.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:42

       Right.

   14. MPMike Perry1:15:42

       Something's always hurt.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

       Of course.

   16. MPMike Perry1:15:44

       My finger, I don't know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:45

       Right.

   18. MPMike Perry1:15:46

       My neck.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:46

       Yeah. If you're sparring all the time, something always hurt.

   20. MPMike Perry1:15:50

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:50

       But, but in ... What I'm worried about is that, like, you ... The way you're describing it, it could be, like, a chronic injury that could be limiting your ability. Like, uh, Yoel, who we're talking about, Yoel Romero, he has his neck fused.

   22. MPMike Perry1:16:03

       Hm. What, what is that?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:16:03

       Like, did you ever see a video of him ... Uh, he had an operation where it's like his disk was so fucked up they had to fuse the disks in his neck. They had to fuse the, the spinal columns. Have you ever seen a video of him running? There's a video of him running and his neck doesn't move, because it's, like, fused. It's cra- ... See, the video says, "Yoel Romero runs like his neck is fused."

   24. MPMike Perry1:16:25

       That's not real.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16:25

       Because it is.

   26. MPMike Perry1:16:27

       That's not what the back of his neck-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16:28

       I don't know if that, if it really looks like-

   28. MPMike Perry1:16:29

       He don't got it ... Oh, he do have a scar? What?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16:31

       Yeah, yeah, he does. So that's, that's his ... His neck is fused.

   30. MPMike Perry1:16:35

       Dang.

Episode duration: 1:48:43