JRE MMA Show #142 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo

1. 0:00 – 3:20

   Reunion in the studio: early friendships and the “Spartan” grind

   1. MSMatt Serra0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. DTDin Thomas0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (energetic music) We're up. We're up.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Boys, what's happening?

   5. MSMatt Serra0:15

      It's a reunion.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What a- what a beautiful moment to get you guys-

   7. MSMatt Serra0:17

      Look at this.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      ... together in a room.

   9. MSMatt Serra0:18

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       This is awesome.

   11. JRJohn Rallo0:19

       This is badass.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       This is fucking awesome. I've known all you guys for fucking ever. Uh, I think I've known you the longest. I've known you for at least 20 years.

   13. MSMatt Serra0:28

       2001, I believe.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Wow.

   15. MSMatt Serra0:30

       2001.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       I remember you were sleeping in your dojo.

   17. MSMatt Serra0:35

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       You were... He- he had a bucket, like a- a- a thing you would piss in-

   19. MSMatt Serra0:38

       Yeah. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       ... 'cause he drank so much water. So he had this jug next to his bed. He's like, "I'm tired. I wanna get up."

   21. MSMatt Serra0:45

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       "I wanna get up and go to the bathroom. I gotta piss. I just piss right there and go back to sleep."

   23. MSMatt Serra0:49

       (laughs) I- I lived in my first Storefront Academy in East Meadow, my hometown, and Joe and Eddie Bravo were in town for some reason. I think you were doing a- a gig or something.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Yeah. I was doing a gig, and you came and picked us up.

   25. MSMatt Serra1:00

       Yeah, at the- at the- at the-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Really?

   27. MSMatt Serra1:01

       ... at the Hicksville.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       What? At the Hicksville. Yeah, we took the train.

   29. MSMatt Serra1:03

       What?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       And he picked us up at the train station.
2. 3:20 – 4:30

   When UFC was fringe: why it felt like the sport could vanish overnight

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Yeah. Yeah, those are... It's just like those friendships that you make in the early days, they're- they're- they're kind of special. 'Cause like we were there, you know, in the earl... When... The UFC in 2001 was a different thing, man.

   2. MSMatt Serra3:33

      Completely.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:33

      Different animal.

   4. JRJohn Rallo3:34

      Completely.

   5. MSMatt Serra3:34

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:34

      It was so fringe.

   7. JRJohn Rallo3:36

      Yeah.

   8. MSMatt Serra3:36

      And you always felt like... I just... P- personally, I always felt like it was gonna be over any second.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:41

      Yeah.

   10. JRJohn Rallo3:41

       Yeah.

   11. MSMatt Serra3:42

       I remember being like, "All right, look, I'll take this next fight at this price 'cause this is gonna be fucking down... This is gonna be cl- coming to an end soon."

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       Yeah.

   13. MSMatt Serra3:49

       "And I'll tell my kids that at once- one time I fought in a cage and it used to be this sport where we fought in a cage." It looked like the end was coming at any moment.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:56

       Yeah.

   15. JRJohn Rallo3:56

       Yeah.

   16. MSMatt Serra3:56

       It really did. Before that, the fight with Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonnar.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       (laughs) You know what's really crazy?

   18. MSMatt Serra4:02

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       Eddie Bravo and I used to have this conversation. We would be like... 'Cause I met Eddie in like 1998. Um, I met him at a... Uh, I think I either met him at Jean Jacques, but I saw him at Jean Jacques. He was there with Ricky Rocket. Like, Ricky Rocket from Poison is a legit black belt under Jean Jacques Machado.

   20. JRJohn Rallo4:21

       Yeah.

   21. MSMatt Serra4:21

       No kidding, badass.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       Ricky Rocket is a r- he's real. He trained.

   23. MSMatt Serra4:25

       No, you heard that?

   24. JRJohn Rallo4:26

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Uh, undercover.

   26. MSMatt Serra4:27

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       You know what I mean? Just- just a regular dude, goes into classes.

   28. MSMatt Serra4:30

       Yeah.

3. 4:30 – 7:01

   Carlos Newton and forgotten early-era greatness (plus survivor’s guilt)

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      Legit. Like, real guy. So anyway, Eddie was there with him as a spectator. And like this is like 1998, and we would say, "You know what this sport needs? Some crazy billionaires to just d- d- invest all this money in it 'cause we know how exciting it is, but the world didn't know." This is... You know, this is '98. This is like Dan Henderson's first fight.

   2. JRJohn Rallo4:52

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:53

      Carlos Newton.

   4. MSMatt Serra4:54

      I remember.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      Back in those days. Remember Carlos Newton?

   6. MSMatt Serra4:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJohn Rallo4:57

      Yeah. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:57

      A lot of people forgot how good that fucking dude was.

   9. MSMatt Serra4:59

      I- I still talk to him.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Do you really?

   11. MSMatt Serra5:00

       Like, 'cause he's on... He- he's on the commission, the committee that, uh, ABC Commission has for fighters, and I'm on that commission with Carlos Newton.

   12. JRJohn Rallo5:07

       Nice.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Dude, he's- he's a beast.

   14. MSMatt Serra5:09

       What about... happened to him?

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       What about him? What did he do now?

   16. MSMatt Serra5:10

       He's like working like real estate or construction or something in Canada.

   17. JRJohn Rallo5:14

       He's doing okay, though.

   18. MSMatt Serra5:14

       Yeah, he's alive. I like when I see guys make it through okay, 'cause the... I mean, now, I talk about this with Dean a lot and when we're on the road with Dana doing the show. I go, "I got survivor's guilt."

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Yeah.

   20. JRJohn Rallo5:25

       (laughs)

   21. MSMatt Serra5:25

       I'm like, "Look, I don't fucking..." There's a lot of guys now that the sport's like 30 years old.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Yeah.

   23. MSMatt Serra5:31

       Like there's a lot... There's like casualties in the game now, whether it's their health, whether they get done with the sport and... I mean, Phil Baroni is in a Mexican prison right now. War ma- I mean, these are bad... Listen.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       Yeah. Right, right, right.

   25. MSMatt Serra5:41

       There's some people making very bad choices. But I don't know, man. It- it's upsetting to me when I see people all fucked up and we're sitting there hanging out, having a good time.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       It's hard. It's... You know, it's hard when people forget too about... The- the early days were not that popular, so they forget about some spectacular performances.

   27. MSMatt Serra6:00

       Mm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       They spea- forget about some amaz- ... When Carlos Newton p- tapped out Pat Miletich with a bulldog choke.

   29. JRJohn Rallo6:05

       Oh, yeah.

   30. MSMatt Serra6:06

       Yeah.
4. 7:01 – 9:37

   Pre-USADA physiques, PRIDE’s culture, and the BJ Penn debate

   1. MSMatt Serra7:01

      It's funny looking at all these pictures and everything, you know, pre-USADA.

   2. JRJohn Rallo7:07

      Oh, yeah.

   3. MSMatt Serra7:08

      (laughs)

   4. I know. (laughs)

   5. (laughs)

   6. Listen. Let's talk. Let's talk.

   7. JRJohn Rallo7:13

      I, I know. (laughs)

   8. MSMatt Serra7:14

      And by the way-

   9. (laughs)

   10. ... this is me at 49 on TOT, okay? So I'm not competing now on anything. I never competed, did anything ever. So I remember like, I liked some guys back then, but fuck, man, like Randy Couture, The Natural. Really?

   11. JRJohn Rallo7:33

       (laughs)

   12. MSMatt Serra7:34

       (laughs)

   13. The Natural? Can we get a different nickname?

   14. (laughs)

   15. But, uh, I like Randy. I like The Expendables and shit.

   16. (laughs)

   17. But, uh, but you know, I mean, of all the nicknames.

   18. JRJohn Rallo7:44

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. MSMatt Serra7:44

       Holy shit.

   20. Can I have little more of that?

   21. JRJohn Rallo7:46

       Yeah, you want some coffee?

   22. MSMatt Serra7:47

       Oh, I'm an espresso freak.

   23. JRJohn Rallo7:48

       You want espresso?

   24. MSMatt Serra7:48

       Oh. Oh, no, I'll have coffee. I'll have coffee.

   25. What are you doing?

   26. JRJohn Rallo7:51

       We'll get you some espresso.

   27. MSMatt Serra7:52

       (laughs)

   28. It is a d- it is weird. Can we, uh, get four espressos?

   29. JRJohn Rallo7:55

       Yeah, you guys are awesome.

   30. MSMatt Serra7:57

       Uh, like you look at... It's different when you look at the Pride guys, 'cause they were almost encouraging that shit. It's like-
5. 9:37 – 13:14

   Why the crucifix is a nightmare (and how training broke Serra’s back)

   1. MSMatt Serra9:37

      Isn't it wild that even the most flexible motherfuckers if you get them in a crucifix, it doesn't matter if they can suck their own dick, they're still getting fucked up?

   2. JRJohn Rallo9:45

      (laughs)

   3. MSMatt Serra9:45

      Yeah.

   4. Like, you got a guy, when you got a guy... BJ Penn. (laughs)

   5. JRJohn Rallo9:49

      (laughs)

   6. MSMatt Serra9:49

      (laughs)

   7. You ever see, you ever see BJ Penn... The guy's jumping out of pools and shit.

   8. JRJohn Rallo9:57

      (laughs)

   9. MSMatt Serra9:57

      (laughs)

   10. It's like, man, he just some here in the crucifix.

   11. Yeah.

   12. It doesn't matter. You could put your legs behind your head. You b-... He should've used his legs to fucking block the fucking-

   13. JRJohn Rallo10:06

       (laughs)

   14. MSMatt Serra10:06

       (laughs)

   15. (laughs)

   16. Do some Wing Chun with your legs.

   17. (laughs)

   18. He was... The crucifix fucks you up. I get gi or no gi, I go for that all the time-

   19. JRJohn Rallo10:16

       Mm.

   20. MSMatt Serra10:17

       ... uh, training. And yeah, I know I can't... Yeah. And, and I, I know I can't hit them, but there's a lot of ways you could transfer, uh, transition into kimuras, arm locks, different things. Uh, but it's such a good thing to get used to, 'cause they can't do dick. Uh, DC might not... I don't know how great his jiu-jitsu is, but I mean, look, he gets guys into crucifix, they're fucking done.

   21. Yeah.

   22. JRJohn Rallo10:36

       And-

   23. MSMatt Serra10:36

       Dude, the crucifix is that... There, there was one guy at John Jacques who specialized in a crucifix, and I was always terrified of this dude-

   24. JRJohn Rallo10:43

       (laughs)

   25. MSMatt Serra10:43

       ... 'cause it's such a terrible place to be, like when I-

   26. Yeah, it is. It's just such a trap.

   27. You can't use your arms and you're like, "Ah."

   28. JRJohn Rallo10:47

       It's such a horrible trap.

   29. MSMatt Serra10:48

       And you're getting punched in the face and you're like trying to block with that one little hand.

   30. With MMA, it's so much worse.
6. 13:14 – 18:03

   Chiropractors, ‘learned from a ghost,’ and what actually helped their injuries

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:14

      Do you know how, you know when they call themselves doctors, do you know how much time they spent in medical school?

   2. DTDin Thomas13:18

      Yeah, zero.

   3. MSMatt Serra13:19

      (laughs) How many? How much?

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:20

      Zero.

   5. DTDin Thomas13:20

      Zero time in medical school.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:21

      Zero.

   7. MSMatt Serra13:22

      It's fucking...

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:22

      Do you know how it was invented?

   9. MSMatt Serra13:24

      How? Thank you, by the way.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       It w- it w- p- pull up the article, Chiropractors are Bullshit.

   11. DTDin Thomas13:28

       Joe, I have chiropractors at home that know I know you, and they're like-

   12. MSMatt Serra13:32

       (laughs)

   13. DTDin Thomas13:32

       ... "Hey man, why is he beating up on the chiropractors?" You know?

   14. MSMatt Serra13:35

       No. Fuck no.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       It's the origin of it. Look, whether or not i- uh, I'm not disputing that people get relief from being manipulated, 'cause I think there's something to the deep tissue aspect of it. There's probably something even to being out of alignment in certain conditions, you know, and a lot of that could be because of little injuries, and things are tight, and that's why deep tissue massage and rolfing is very effective. But the origins of the medical art, it came from a guy who was a magnetic healer, who came up with this idea he's gonna cure all illnesses by manipulating your spine. And the speculation is he was murdered by his son, who was a con man.

   16. DTDin Thomas14:13

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       And his son then fucking takes it everywhere. And I don't know-

   18. MSMatt Serra14:17

       Wait a minute. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       Yeah. Dude, pull up the article. Pull up that article again, 'cause i- it's like, when you read it, you're like, "What?"

   20. DTDin Thomas14:23

       I'm just trying to find the part...

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       "Is this real?" So, you know, I always thought it was a doctor.

   22. MSMatt Serra14:29

       But it's not. It's some dude-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       It's not a doctor.

   24. MSMatt Serra14:30

       ... that was like h- that his son...

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       It's this, a thing that, like, you may find relief from. You may find relief from being manipulated. And I think there's guys out there that are really good at, like, they use other stuff w- with different techniques with it, and it's, they're basically doing physical therapy. But the knowledge and philosophy given, given me by doctor... Okay, here it is. Palmer held seances to contact a dead physician named Jim Atkinson. He said that those seances helped him develop chiropractic as he wrote in his 1914 book, The Chiropractor, "The knowledge and philosophy given me by Dr. Jim Atkinson, an intelligent, spiritual being, together with explanations of pneumonia, phenomena," (laughs) rather, should've said.

   26. DTDin Thomas15:16

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       "Phenomena, principles resolved from causes, effects, powers, laws, and utility, appealed to my reason. The method by which I obtained an explanation of certain physical phenomena from an intelligence in the spiritual world is known in Biblical language as inspiration. In a great measure, the chiropractor's adjuster was written under such spiritual promptings." So, this guy came up with this from a seance.

   28. DTDin Thomas15:42

       (laughs)

   29. (laughs)

   30. MSMatt Serra15:43

       He learned it from a ghost.
7. 18:03 – 22:54

   Dana White’s health wake-up call and a modern matchup breakdown (Jan vs Pereira)

   1. MSMatt Serra18:03

      Yo, what about that fucking Final Destination Dana? What the fuck did he do when he got that fucking test when he's like, "I'm gonna die in 10 years."

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:10

      Freaked out.

   3. MSMatt Serra18:10

      What is that?

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:11

      He went keto.

   5. MSMatt Serra18:12

      What is that?

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:12

      I know.

   7. DTDin Thomas18:12

      He's all healthy now.

   8. MSMatt Serra18:13

      What test was that that he took when he goes-

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:15

      Oh, yeah. He told me about this guy.

   10. MSMatt Serra18:17

       First, first of all, who the fuck is that guy?

   11. DTDin Thomas18:17

       The 10X guy?

   12. MSMatt Serra18:18

       Yeah. Somebody said that he's gonna fucking... Oh, y- yeah, he, what'd they say? That he's gonna probably die in 10 years?

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       He said if he kept going the way he was going, he could probably die in 10 years. But I believe that, because Dana was just like, he doesn't sleep. He's always going.

   14. MSMatt Serra18:32

       Yeah. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:33

       I could call Dana and have a two-hour conversation with him at 2:00 in the morning.

   16. MSMatt Serra18:36

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       He's an animal.

   18. DTDin Thomas18:37

       He, he don't sleep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       He's an animal. He just, like, he's just, like, always doing stuff. He's always involved. He's always got deals. He's always working on fights. He's always... He fucking loves this shit. That guy's nuts.

   20. DTDin Thomas18:50

       That's all he is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:50

       If he ever...It's in my contract that if he leaves, I leave.

   22. JRJohn Rallo18:53

       Really?

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       Yeah.

   24. JRJohn Rallo18:54

       Bull.

   25. MSMatt Serra18:54

       Well, you don't gotta worry about nothing-

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       Dude.

   27. MSMatt Serra18:56

       ... 'cause he ain't going nowhere.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:57

       Exactly. Yeah.

   29. MSMatt Serra18:57

       He ain't going nowhere.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       'Cause I'm like, "I don't wanna do this for anybody else."
8. 22:54 – 30:12

   UFC 33 after 9/11: chaos, early Vegas shows, and the end of ‘calling people’

   1. MSMatt Serra22:54

      I fought, uh, Eve Edwards right, right after 9/11. It was, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:59

      Uh, September 28th.

   3. MSMatt Serra23:00

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:00

      UFC 33.

   5. MSMatt Serra23:01

      You... That's when me and you be fucking hanging out.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:03

      Yeah, yeah.

   7. JRJohn Rallo23:03

      'Cause I fought Fabiano. Yeah.

   8. MSMatt Serra23:04

      You fought Fabiano and Ihaia.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:05

      Yeah.

   10. JRJohn Rallo23:05

       Yeah.

   11. MSMatt Serra23:05

       Where the fuck is ihaia now?

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:07

       Shh.

   13. JRJohn Rallo23:07

       I don't know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:08

       How many arm bars did that guy have?

   15. JRJohn Rallo23:09

       Yeah, right.

   16. MSMatt Serra23:09

       Oh, he had a lot.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       He had a lot of arm bars.

   18. JRJohn Rallo23:11

       Yeah, he was just grabbing guys' arms and just throwing his legs around. Whoop, whoop.

   19. MSMatt Serra23:14

       Yeah. I'll tell you who put it on him though. Fucking Mr. Thomas.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:17

       (laughs)

   21. JRJohn Rallo23:17

       With them hands on him, boy. With them hands on that cat.

   22. MSMatt Serra23:20

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:20

       (laughs)

   24. JRJohn Rallo23:21

       I remember, he had those, he had those cornrows at the time.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       Yeah. They weren't even cornrows.

   26. JRJohn Rallo23:24

       You were fucking grabbing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:25

       He had... He had... He had to cut them in. He just cut... It was just a haircut. He had lines cut into his fucking cornrows.

   28. JRJohn Rallo23:29

       Oh, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       Yeah.

   30. JRJohn Rallo23:30

       You beat the shit out of him, Dean Thomas.
9. 30:12 – 34:49

   NYC safety and the subway choke: what we can (and can’t) judge without video

   1. MSMatt Serra30:12

      I'm not gonna be in there like chilling, walking the fucking ... I- you have to be on guard. It's fucking nasty, dude. That's ... The couple times I've been in there, it, it is what it is, but I think you get a sense of what it's like there now. It, it's not ... You just gotta have your guard up. And I di-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      It's changed.

   3. MSMatt Serra30:27

      ... I did not feel ... And I never lower my sword, but I didn't have to feel like I was so on edge. You see shit all the time on the fucking subway-

   4. JRJohn Rallo30:36

      May just have that-

   5. MSMatt Serra30:36

      ... on this and that.

   6. JRJohn Rallo30:37

      ... guy, you know, the guy who got choked, you know, to death on the, uh, on the subway there with-

   7. MSMatt Serra30:42

      Well, yeah, how did-

   8. JRJohn Rallo30:44

      ... the marine kid.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      I'm hearing all these different stories-

   10. MSMatt Serra30:46

       Listen.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       ... in that.

   12. MSMatt Serra30:47

       Yeah, well.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Did, did the guy get choked to death? Is that what happened?

   14. JRJohn Rallo30:50

       Yeah.

   15. MSMatt Serra30:50

       I don't ... Well, the ... This is th-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Definitely.

   17. MSMatt Serra30:52

       This is what happened, and-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       The guy was threatening-

   19. MSMatt Serra30:54

       It's nothing, I don't-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       ... people on a, on a train.

   21. MSMatt Serra30:56

       The guy, I don't know, the marine ... There was a marine.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Right.

   23. MSMatt Serra30:59

       He p- he put him in a chokehold. I don't know how long he held it for. I don't know how he held it ... Well, he's trained.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Yeah, never seen the video.

   25. MSMatt Serra31:04

       So this is the thing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       Yeah.

   27. MSMatt Serra31:05

       The people at home-... when they put a, a, a chokehold on, when you're doing it correctly, it stops the carotid arteries. I know we all know this, guys-

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       (laughs)

   29. MSMatt Serra31:13

       ... so I'm just working ... but, uh, it stops the blood flow. It doesn't stop the air. But if you stop the blood flow for fif- 15 minutes-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       Thank you.
10. 34:49 – 39:28

    Celebrity choke-outs and safe technique: “If you’re gonna choke out radio DJs…”

    1. MSMatt Serra34:49

       Hey, you know what kind of scared me recently? Not to be a dick. And I love Michael Bisping, and, uh, who else did it? Marvin Vettori? But, uh, fuck, man. Guys, when you wanna do the rear na- ... and I love Michael Bisping. I get along with him very well. They put a couple, they put Steve-O and someone else in the same position.

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:03

       Oh.

    3. DTDin Thomas35:04

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    4. MSMatt Serra35:05

       Hey, hey, guys. Do a b- ... now, look. You don't ... Can I say something right now? And, and, uh, and, and I, I, I ... Do you mind, do you mind if I do this to Dean Thomas?

    5. No.

    6. Can I use you? No, wait a minute. I might.

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       (laughs)

    8. MSMatt Serra35:19

       No, no. Actually, no, no. I'm actually, stay exactly where you are. But just, when you're doing the drop-

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:22

       Yeah. Already.

    10. MSMatt Serra35:22

        ... or rear naked.

    11. DTDin Thomas35:23

        Get the elbows in the right spot.

    12. MSMatt Serra35:24

        I want the elbow, uh, underneath the point of the chin. That way, I know I'm on the carotid arteries. I'm not gonna do it. But now, if I just slightly go to compress, what the fuck, man? Like, I don't know. Like, I feel like if it's on the windpipe at all-

    13. DTDin Thomas35:38

        Yeah, you're on the windpipe.

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        (laughs)

    15. MSMatt Serra35:40

        Dude, I'm, I'm looking at this thing like, guys, you, we might crush his fucking throat, like how are we ... Like, what are w-

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:45

        And then if you look at the amount of pressure he's putting, all of his weight-

    17. MSMatt Serra35:48

        No, because he's-

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:48

        ... behind him, like look what he's doing.

    19. DTDin Thomas35:49

        He's out. He's out.

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:50

        I know.

    21. MSMatt Serra35:51

        But his ar- but his, his forearm was on his windpipe.

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:53

        Yes. Yes.

    23. MSMatt Serra35:54

        And Mikey, I love Mikey. I love Mike. I do. But guys, come on, man. Fuck.

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:59

        That's also, like ...

    25. MSMatt Serra36:00

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:01

        ... he w- he, like, leaned into it.

    27. MSMatt Serra36:02

        I know.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:03

        He got all of his weight behind it.

    29. MSMatt Serra36:04

        Because-

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:04

        That was ... I would never do that to somebody.
11. 39:28 – 49:23

    Serra vs a drunk at Red Rock Casino: jiu-jitsu as controlled self-defense

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:28

       Where is this? Is this in Vegas?

    2. MSMatt Serra39:29

       This is at the, uh, it's at the Red Rock Casino, where the, the, the Fertitta brothers own this.

    3. JRJohn Rallo39:34

       Oh, my God.

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:34

       Oh, my God.

    5. MSMatt Serra39:34

       And this was the weekend that you got inducted into the Hall of Fame, right?

    6. JRJohn Rallo39:36

       Look at this guy throwing up his guard. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:39

       (laughs)

    8. MSMatt Serra39:39

       And right now he's... See, what happened was-

    9. JRJohn Rallo39:42

       (sighs)

    10. MSMatt Serra39:42

        ... I'm with my wife and my kids. It's July 4th, 'cause the next day I was going into the Hall of Fame. So... And this fat fuck, "Oh, you're just subduing him? All right, get off of him." Yeah, dude, are you gonna fucking control him 'cause he's gonna-

    11. JRJohn Rallo39:55

        Right.

    12. MSMatt Serra39:55

        At that point, nothing happened. I was waiting for this guy to grab my balls or something when this... You know what I mean?

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:00

        Yeah.

    14. MSMatt Serra40:00

        'Cause there's gonna be a lapse between me not controlling him and him not getting involved. But-

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:05

        Right.

    16. MSMatt Serra40:06

        ... my... The thing was, we were... We... The next day I was going into, I had-

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:11

        Does he try to swing at you when he gets up?

    18. MSMatt Serra40:12

        No, he, now he's saying he wants to press charges.

    19. JRJohn Rallo40:14

        (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:15

        (laughs)

    21. DTDin Thomas40:15

        (laughs)

    22. MSMatt Serra40:16

        So, what I, what happened was, he-

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:18

        Gonna charge with embarrassing him. (laughs)

    24. JRJohn Rallo40:21

        Ah. (laughs)

    25. MSMatt Serra40:22

        It was the day before I was gonna go into the Hall of Fame, and my wife's like... Oh, we had family there in Vegas, th- th- before me getting inducted in. So, she goes, "Oh, you wanna go down to the, to the, the, uh, the Strip to see the fireworks?" And I'm like, "Listen man, there's a lot of drunks. I don't wanna... Let's just keep it low-key, and then we'll celebrate tomorrow, or..." So, sure enough, we're at the Red Rock Casino, which is so cool. I love that place.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:44

        Great place.

    27. MSMatt Serra40:45

        Uh, there's a bowling alley in there, there's a movie theater. You know I love the movies.

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:48

        Yeah.

    29. MSMatt Serra40:49

        And so, me and my wife-

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:50

        (laughs)
12. 49:23 – 56:22

    Renzo’s lineage, Danaher’s rise, and how leg locks changed jiu-jitsu forever

    1. DTDin Thomas49:23

       You know? I said, "It's comfortable, I'm happy, I'm my own boss." You know, we all thank Renzo, 'cause he's given us all a- a nice career through the education we got with him, so ...

    2. MSMatt Serra49:33

       Oh. Thank God for Renzo.

    3. DTDin Thomas49:34

       Um, you know.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:34

       Renzo's the best.

    5. DTDin Thomas49:35

       Yeah, he's awesome.

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       He's the best. What a-

    7. DTDin Thomas49:36

       He's awesome.

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       ... fucking guy he is.

    9. MSMatt Serra49:37

       He-

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:37

        And what a lineage that guy's created.

    11. DTDin Thomas49:39

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:39

        Jesus Christ.

    13. MSMatt Serra49:40

        He's changed a- a lot of lives.

    14. DTDin Thomas49:41

        A lot of lives.

    15. MSMatt Serra49:42

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:42

        In that Gracie documentary that I was just doing, I was like, there's a few black belts where n- someone says, "I got a black belt under Rickson." Right?

    17. DTDin Thomas49:49

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:49

        "I got a black belt under Renzo." That's a big fucking deal.

    19. DTDin Thomas49:52

        Yeah.

    20. Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:52

        That's like one of those, you know, that's like w-... you know, graduating from Yale.

    22. DTDin Thomas49:57

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:57

        It's- that's the real deal.

    24. MSMatt Serra49:59

        No, I mean, that's the proudest... Um, I mean, I'm- I'm Renzo's first American. You can say Ricardo Almeida technically is.

    25. DTDin Thomas50:05

        Yeah. But I don't consider that.

    26. MSMatt Serra50:07

        But fuck that! (laughs)

    27. DTDin Thomas50:07

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:07

        He's really Brazilian.

    29. MSMatt Serra50:09

        No, no, no, no, no, no.

    30. DTDin Thomas50:09

        No, no, he's-
13. 56:22 – 1:24:28

    Kron Gracie’s tough night, Serra’s bathroom nightmare, and ulcerative colitis

    1. MSMatt Serra56:22

       To come back from that and win? I feel for Kron in that last one. (sighs)

    2. The last one was not good. You know?

    3. That was so crazy.

    4. And I don't know what was going on, you know? You'd have to talk to Kron, and respectfully.

    5. He looked depressed going in-

    6. He did look like it.

    7. ... and throughout the fight, just looking like he didn't wanna be there. (laughs) I'm not laughing at that... Might as well tell you. Listen, th- I was telling you guys this, the other day. So, I got ulcerative colitis.

    8. (laughs)

    9. I got... That is, it has to do with this. And Joe's like, "Really? What the fuck?" (laughs)

    10. What is that, what is that-

    11. No, no, it has to do with it.

    12. ... the ultimate shit hit?

    13. Oh, I have stomach issues, man. I got fucking... I, when I have to go, I have to go, and then you don't know when it stops, and... Oh, it's a, it's a problem. So I'm at the UFC... Uh, Aljo's f- wait, when Kron fought... Did Aljo fight that night, or Merab? It was- Was that Mera... I can't remember now, sure.

    14. I was there. I was one of them. But I was there. I, I w- I was there for Aljo.

    15. Yeah.

    16. Aljo was fighting that night. That's right. So, I'm in... I asked the UFC to find me a, a, a stall a little bit, um, private, 'cause I got stomach issues.

    17. Right.

    18. So they brought me next to another one that wasn't so open, and it was through the sp- by the showers and stuff. So I'm in there doing my business, and all sudden I hear some people by the fucking showers, and it was Kron and his whole crew, and it was right after the loss, right?

    19. Oh, no.

    20. So I'm in the b- they don't know I'm in there.

    21. Jesus.

    22. So I'm like, "Oh, no."

    23. (laughs)

    24. I'm like trying to stomp my feet.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:40

        (laughs)

    26. MSMatt Serra57:40

        And then I'm like, I'm clinching my ass.

    27. (laughs)

    28. And I'm like, and he's... All the sudden I hear, uh, I hear, uh, "Get on, man, get on." Then, you know, I, they wanted me to use my jujitsu, I tried to use my jujitsu, that fight sucked, and he's, like, stressing, he's like venting to his team, you know? Nothing, you know, not, it's nothing crazy, but yeah, I mean, it's normal after a loss to be-

    29. Yeah.

    30. And the team's being quiet. All I know is I'm stuck in the fucking stall-

Episode duration: 3:15:54