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JRE MMA Show #15 with Brendan Schaub

Joe is joined by Brendan Schaub to discuss recent and upcoming fights in MMA and boxing.

Brendan SchaubguestJoe RoganhostJamie VernonguestHulk Hoganguest
Feb 13, 20182h 50mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Rogan and Schaub Break Down MMA Legends, Fights, and Future Superstars

  1. Joe Rogan and Brendan Schaub spend a long-form session dissecting current and past MMA and boxing, jumping from Yoel Romero, Matt Brown, Demian Maia, and Ben Askren to Khabib–Tony, Stipe–DC, Jon Jones, and heavyweight boxing matchups like Joshua–Wilder–Fury.
  2. They explore how styles match up (wrestlers vs strikers, jiu-jitsu specialists vs well‑rounded fighters), how weight-cutting and new hydration rules affect careers, and why some elite athletes like Ben Askren and Stipe Miocic are underpromoted or misunderstood.
  3. The conversation also hits broader themes: fighter longevity, brain trauma, PEDs and USADA, promotion vs pure sport, and why some stars thrive in chaos (like Jon Jones) while others struggle balancing media, money, and preparation.
  4. Throughout, they highlight emerging threats like Israel Adesanya and Darren Till, debate refereeing and eye pokes, praise coaches and camps shaping champions, and even veer into Bigfoot, flat earth, pro wrestling, and show business around combat sports.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Specialists still dominate in certain phases, but adaptability wins titles.

Khabib’s grinding wrestling, Demian Maia’s suffocating jiu-jitsu, and Brian Ortega’s submission game show how elite specialists can overwhelm opponents, but fighters like Robert Whittaker, Rafael dos Anjos, and Max Holloway succeed by blending striking, wrestling, and defense into complete, adaptable games.

Weight class changes and smarter weight cutting can unlock better versions of fighters.

Examples like Whittaker moving up from welterweight and Dos Anjos thriving at 170 illustrate how less brutal cuts improve health, power, and performance; they praise ONE FC’s hydration-based system as a model that could reduce extreme cuts and extend careers.

Underpromoted elite fighters highlight a gap between sport and storytelling.

They argue athletes like Ben Askren, Stipe Miocic, and Tyron Woodley have world‑class résumés but lack the push or narratives the UFC chooses to amplify, showing how business priorities can overshadow “best vs best” matchups and affect public perception.

Rule enforcement on fouls needs to be far stricter to protect fighters.

Incidents like egregious eye gouges and repeated eye pokes prompt them to call for automatic point deductions (or even DQs) for fouls like eye pokes and groin shots, since these can radically change fights and cause lasting damage if refs only issue warnings.

Some champions thrive amid personal chaos, but it’s a dangerous long-term bet.

Jon Jones is used as the archetype of a generational talent who can win with short camps and turbulent lifestyles; Rogan and Schaub debate whether his wildness is part of his genius or a ticking clock that will eventually undermine longevity as his body accumulates damage.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

He’s the motherfucker of motherfuckers when it comes to strangling people.

Joe Rogan (on Demian Maia)

If the art form is important, you want the best to fight the best. If it’s just about a good show, you can always have guys stand in the middle and throw lead.

Joe Rogan

Some guys just have your number. It’s not in the cards.

Brendan Schaub (on DC vs Jon Jones)

You’re not gonna come up with some new quote that we haven’t heard before. It’s all been done before, man.

Brendan Schaub

Our psychopath beats your psychopath.

Joe Rogan (paraphrasing Bill Burr on PED-era cycling)

Breakdowns of elite MMA fighters and style matchups (Romero, Whittaker, Maia, Dos Anjos, Holloway, Edgar, Ortega, Khabib, Tony Ferguson, Stipe, DC, Jon Jones, etc.)Weight cutting, hydration policies (ONE FC), and how moving divisions reshapes careers (Whittaker, Dos Anjos, Rockhold, Ngannou, Till)The promotion and marketability of fighters vs pure sporting merit (Ben Askren, Tyron Woodley, Stipe Miocic, Darren Till)Judging, refereeing, fouls, and fighter safety (eye pokes, groin shots, stoppages, CT/brain trauma)Heavyweight boxing landscape (Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz, Fury, Klitschko, Canelo–Golovkin) and MMA–boxing crossover fantasies (Floyd–Conor, Floyd–CM Punk)The psychology and lifestyles of champions (party vs discipline, Jon Jones’ chaos, Rumble Johnson’s retirement, side careers and distractions)Combat sports culture and history tangents (Bigfoot and belief, PEDs and Lance Armstrong, pro wrestling icons like Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan, and Olympic/college sport exploitation)

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