JRE MMA Show #15 with Brendan Schaub

1. 0:00 – 0:58

   Live show teases & Joey Diaz as Yoel Romero translator

   1. BSBrendan Schaub0:00

      (Joe hums) I might do a show with Diaz in New York.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Boom! Live? Uh, Jamie's giving me the not sure look. Yes!

   3. BSBrendan Schaub0:12

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Uh, you and Joey Diaz talking about doing a show in, in New York. Where?

   5. BSBrendan Schaub0:16

      Maybe, man. Damn.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Where at? Where at?

   7. BSBrendan Schaub0:17

      Maybe, brother.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Oh, okay. You don't wanna talk about it?

   9. BSBrendan Schaub0:18

      Yeah, no.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       Um-

   11. BSBrendan Schaub0:19

       Need to find that shit.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       You want to hear... I got a Joey Diaz story. We're going to do a show with me and Joey and Yoel motherfucking Romero. And he's gonna talk to him if he gets confused in, in, in Spanish.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub0:29

       Oh, that's gonna be amazing.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       You know, 'cause Joey's from Cuba. Dude, are you kidding me?

   15. BSBrendan Schaub0:32

       So Joey Diaz is gonna translate?

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       He was... Joe... It's totally Joey's idea. Joey says...

   17. BSBrendan Schaub0:36

       It's a brilliant idea.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       "Bro, I've been talking to him. I love this fucking guy. We'd have an amazing podcast, you and me. You throwing the questions at him. If shit gets weird, I come to him in Spanish. We'll understand each other better."

   19. BSBrendan Schaub0:46

       It's a brilliant idea.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       This is what Joey said. He said, uh... He goes, "Tell him that I want to be on his podcast because he has love for Cuba and under... He understands Cuban love."

   21. BSBrendan Schaub0:56

       Love it. Love it.

2. 0:58 – 2:06

   Romero’s intensity, ‘Stoolgate,’ and fight corner gamesmanship

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:58

      I was like, that... All that shit that he was doing to Luke Rockhold after he knocked him out-

   2. BSBrendan Schaub1:01

      Bro, back up.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:01

      ... like, that's intense. That's intense.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub1:03

      Gi- give me a few minutes. You just knocked me into freaking-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:06

      That's intense.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub1:07

      ... Puerto Vallarta. Give me a fucking second to get my wits about me and then kiss me on the lips or wherever the fuck you want to do it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:14

      His ability to just be calm and then explode is very terrifying. It's only helped by him telling you he loves you.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub1:23

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:23

      (laughs) He's, he's more terrifying than ever!

   10. BSBrendan Schaub1:26

       It's scary 'cause he's such a nice guy outside.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       (clicks tongue) Dude, he is the nicest guy. He's very friendly, you know.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub1:32

       Remember the champ, though, was like, "Oh yeah, that's what you do? You're Whitaker, you know. Whitaker's a monster, man."

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       You gotta go back to that Tim Kennedy fight though, man.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub1:40

       Talking about Stuergate?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Yeah, that Tim Kennedy fight was crazy. It was like, look, I know what you're doing is very slick. This is very smart. I mean, this is... Angelo Dundee did that to Muhammad Ali when he fought Henry Cooper in London. He got cracked with a left hook. Henry Cooper dropped him, he was in real trouble. They cut the glove, baby!

   16. BSBrendan Schaub1:59

       Suspect.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       Cut that glove, baby! We gotta get the other pair. Oh, it's out there in the dressing room. Be right back.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub2:04

       It's all fair in love and war, my man.

3. 2:06 – 4:05

   Matt Brown’s ‘died and came back’ story & training in Cuba

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:06

      And they go... Yeah, it ain't the right way to do it, but you gotta, you gotta realize that this guy had gone through the whole amateur wrestling system as a representative of Cuba. What... The... Matt Brown and I did a podcast last week, and Matt Brown spent-

   2. BSBrendan Schaub2:19

      Love Matt.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      He's a great guy. And fascinating dude, man. Intense, smart motherfucker. People-

   4. BSBrendan Schaub2:24

      Matt died.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      People get a chance to... He did. He di- he died and they brought him back.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub2:28

      Matt died.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      Yeah, you know, we talked about that. I was like-

   8. BSBrendan Schaub2:31

      Really?

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      You and Court McGee both have this, like, creepy thing to you 'cause you both crossed over to the other side and you don't give a fuck.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub2:37

       And how was it?

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       Whoo! Both guys, man, you gotta beat them. They don't beat each other.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub2:41

       You literally have to take them out.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Or they don't beat themselves, rather.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub2:43

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Yeah. I mean, Matt Brown ain't beating himself. Like he's, he's a human.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub2:46

       What's he doing now?

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       He is gonna fight Carlos Condit.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub2:50

       Oh, that's right. He's coming back for... What... Just...

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       Whoo!

   20. BSBrendan Schaub2:52

       He ended, he ended on that dope ass knockdown of Diego-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       Whoo!

   22. BSBrendan Schaub2:56

       ... with the elbow.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Yeah.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub2:57

       Maybe behind the ear, but all's fair.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       A little bit. Mm-hmm. A little bit.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub3:00

       And then... Yeah, I thought he was gonna right off to the sunset, now he's fighting Carlos Condit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       So he was explaining about his camp that he did in Cuba. It's amazing story. Amazing. He spent like six weeks in Cuba.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub3:08

       Matt Brown?

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Yes. Yes.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub3:10

       His white ass was in Cuba?
4. 4:05 – 5:24

   What elite grappling strength feels like (Maia, Shields, Askren)

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      If I fight Damien Maia, okay, who is the constrictor of all constrictors.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub4:10

      Nightmare.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      If Damien Maia can get you to the ground, I don't think... M- most people don't understand what that kind of jujitsu feels like. You know? I've rolled with a few guys that were my size that just went through me. Like I realized like, "Oh, okay."

   4. BSBrendan Schaub4:24

      Yeah. Like Butler? Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:24

      Like Jake Shields is what I... I talk about him all the time. Wrestling with him is like wrestling with a chimp. Karel Parisyan, same thing. It's like holding onto a chimp. Like good luck, bitch. You might look like me.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub4:34

      It's a nightmare.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      You know? It's like, like you see a guy, like maybe he does CrossFit. You're like, "Oh, that guy looks fucking strong." No, there's a different... There's like a Ben Askren strong, where it doesn't even look strong, just looks like a fit, athletic guy and they grab you and you're like, "What in the fuck is going on here? Why can't I move?"

   8. BSBrendan Schaub4:49

      And they twist you up.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:49

      It's a different kind of strong.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub4:50

       They move different.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       It's a different kind of strong.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub4:52

       Correct.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Damien Maia's got that strong to strong guys.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub4:56

       True.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       He does that shit to guys like Carlos Condit.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub4:59

       Correct.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       I mean this is, uh... He's the motherfucker of motherfuckers when it comes to strangling people.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub5:03

       It's a terrible fight for Matt Brown. It's a terrible fight for him.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       And what he did to Neil Magny, he just kept closing, closing, closing. It was like watching a goddamn snake. It was like watching a snake take out a deer.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub5:12

       It was terrifying.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:13

       Just slowly get to that back, just tighter and tighter. And every time he corrected, it got tighter and tighter. You see Neil Magny just drowning.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub5:20

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       Like, "Fuck!"

   24. BSBrendan Schaub5:21

       He looked like that zebra in the alligator's mouth. Just like, "Ah!"

5. 5:24 – 7:02

   RDA at 170, Whittaker praise, and fixing weight cutting with hydration testing

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      You know, I tell you what was equally impressive, man. It's Rafael dos Anjos and Neil Magny. I was like, "Holy fuck, did I read that wrong."

   2. BSBrendan Schaub5:31

      Me too.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      I thought Neil Magny was gonna give him a real good fight. I thought-

   4. BSBrendan Schaub5:35

      'Cause of his cardio reach?

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:36

      Cardio, reach, footwork, movement, discipline, sticks to the, to the game plan. Neil Magny's a difficult guy to fight. That Carlos Condit fight-

   6. BSBrendan Schaub5:45

      Unless, unless you get him down, his jujitsu's his Achilles heel.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:48

      Well...... he, I mean, Demian Maia obviously got him, but the way dos Anjos got him was, like, holy fuck, at 170. Dos Anjos is more aggressive-

   8. BSBrendan Schaub6:00

      He's a motherfucker.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:00

      ... and stronger-

   10. BSBrendan Schaub6:01

       He's a motherfucker.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       ... it seems to me. Doesn't it seem he's stronger?

   12. BSBrendan Schaub6:04

       He's way better. He's way-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       Way better at 170.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub6:05

       He looks healthy, he moves, he has more power.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       Yeah. Dude.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub6:08

       He's putting his combinations better together.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       And he's just on the lighter side of being one of those big guys, so it seems like he's got more speed.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub6:16

       He reminds me kind of, like, Robert Whittaker-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       Yes.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub6:18

       ... where Whi- he, to me, people go, "Oh, he's a little small." He's almost perfect.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Perfect.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub6:22

       Where he's not huge, he's not muscle-bound-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Dude.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub6:24

       ... can do everything really well.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Whittaker stuffed Yoel Romero's takedowns with a blown-out knee. He got his knee blown out in the first round and he still stuffed takedowns. Whittaker is-

   26. BSBrendan Schaub6:34

       Whittaker's a-

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       ... a fucking-

   28. BSBrendan Schaub6:34

       ... bad-

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       ... savage.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub6:35

       I'm all up on that Australian train right now.
6. 7:02 – 10:24

   Ben Askren’s marketability problem & why ‘best vs best’ matters

   1. BSBrendan Schaub7:02

      And not to change subjects, but just, just, the, I listen to that Ben Askren, I've always been a huge fan of Ben Askren. I think it's such a shame he never fought in the UFC. I-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:09

      Yeah.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub7:09

      ... I think he beats anyone in the world in the UFC, I really do, but-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:11

      Well, we would like to see-

   5. BSBrendan Schaub7:13

      (clears throat)

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:13

      ... at the very least, I mean, maybe-

   7. BSBrendan Schaub7:15

      I, if I had to bet on it, and I'm a betting man, I'd put some, a lot of dollars on Ben Askren.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:19

      What-

   9. BSBrendan Schaub7:19

      That being said, he's very articulate. He, that man needs to do his own podcast.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Yes.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub7:23

       He needs to do something as far as entertainment, as far as wrestling-

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Well, he does a wrestling podcast.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub7:27

       ... as far as me concerned.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       He was saying he has a wrestling podcast.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub7:28

       Yeah, hey listeners, I'm just saying-

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       Yeah.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub7:29

       ... like, he, there's more he could do.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       Yeah, I agree with you.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub7:32

       I thought he was brilliant on that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       No, he's, he's a brilliant guy and he's just smart and unique, like, as a person. And you can either appreciate that or not. And-

   21. BSBrendan Schaub7:40

       That's marketable, man.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:42

       Well, it, it, it is marketable, in my opinion, but it might not be (laughs) 'cause I don't, I'm just coming at it from a point of view from a, as a fan. I mean, I'm a fan.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub7:50

       Which, which is-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       So for me-

   25. BSBrendan Schaub7:51

       ... what we wanna hear.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       ... listen, for me-

   27. BSBrendan Schaub7:52

       (clears throat)

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       ... I, there's, it's a no-brainer. You wanna see the best versus the best, and he has been able to do weird shit to people. And he's been able to do it-

   29. BSBrendan Schaub8:00

       Hasn't been hit in, what, three years?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       Dude, he said his last two fights he didn't get hit once. (laughs)
7. 10:24 – 15:06

   Luke Rockhold’s swagger, camp changes, and Romero stoppage debate

   1. BSBrendan Schaub10:24

      I'm not, I'm not good at that. Like, I don't want anyone to lose. Like, I love Yoel Romero and I love Luke, but I've been on-

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:30

      I love you!

   3. BSBrendan Schaub10:30

      I love you guy, Jesus! But I, uh, I know what those guys feel like when they lose and there's everything on the table. I know what, for Luke, how he changed camps and sometimes-

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      Yeah.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub10:40

      ... that's just, you're on a boat and there, and, and there's holes in it and you think you're, if you paddle further away from the original camp, you're gonna fill these holes. It doesn't work like that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:47

      Well, I think maybe he-

   7. BSBrendan Schaub10:47

      So I know by him leaving-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:48

      ... just needed a fresh f- look. I mean, it might've been a good move for him, but he fought Yoel Romero. I mean, the reality is, Yoel Romero is fucking horrifying.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub10:57

      He's horrifying. Luke can beat him. Luke can beat him.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Yeah.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub11:00

       Yeah, the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Luke, he might be able to, but he also might be able to get hit exactly like he got hit in that fight every time they fight. Dude, it, you don't know, man.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub11:07

       And I, I, I'm saying I don't know. I've seen, I've seen a better-

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       Luke is a beast.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub11:10

       ... I've seen a better version of Luke. To, to me, as far as skill-wise, besides Whittaker right now, he's on another level. But I look at the roster and to me, Luke is the most complete middleweight in the world. I can even see him being the light heavyweight champion.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:22

       Mm.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub11:22

       Gusfin might give him some problems. Besides Gusfin in it, it, there, there's gonna be some issues for those guys.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       Who knows? Maybe him going, I mean, he's been talking about an inevitable climb to 205. He might be just like Whittaker, and just like, um, (clicks tongue) uh, who else were we talking about? Rafael dos Anjos.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub11:36

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:37

       Might be, he might be the, a better fighter at 205. He might be, I mean, he's so fucking lean, man.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub11:41

       The, the pro- the problem there is, what made Luke so great was that swagger. Like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       Right.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub11:45

       ... the people were like, "Oh, he's so cocky." I get that, I actually want my fighter like that. I liked how he was so arrogant and cocky.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       Mm.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub11:51

       Sometimes people don't gravitate towards it, but for a guy like Luke, he just, he thrived off that. And now, when I see him, I, I, you know, when I, his la- in the Branch fight, I didn't see it as much. I thought the- that fight was a little suspect. Not, n- not taking anything away from Branch, but that should've been easier for Luke.

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       Mm-hmm.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub12:06

       And then I see the Yoel Romero fight and I just, that killer instinct wasn't there. He's very, I know you have five rounds, but he would let Yoel explode and reset. When you reset, you gotta go, man. You gotta go.

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       Branch might not have the b- best results inside the octagon, but when it comes to technical skill, he's a super high-level fighter. His sk- his skill level and his capabilities, I don't think have matched up to all of his performances.... and you saw that when he was attacking Luke. He's fucking good, man. He put him in real trouble.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub12:34

       Oh, I'm not saying he's not good.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       He was very... Oh, he's very good.
8. 15:06 – 20:00

   Frankie Edgar’s durability, concussions, and Brian Ortega’s submission danger

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      In the moment, like Frankie Edgar. Let's talk about Frankie Edgar. That fucking guy is a zombie. He comes back from the dead. He gets cracked by Gray Maynard in two fights to the point where it looks like it's over.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub15:14

      I'm glad you brought this up.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      It's over.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub15:16

      Because-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      He's been rocked and he, he comes back in the most incredible way.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub15:20

      When, when, when I, I sit down with him and we're talking about that, and we were talking about concussions and CT 'cause they have kids and stuff. And I said, "Like, that Gray Maynard fight, you know, you, you were concussed and you came back." He goes... What's crazy was... (laughs) I don't wanna ruin the interview with this. What's crazy about that, Brendan, is, uh, wasn't concussed, no signs at all. I went, "S- I'm gonna stop you. I'm gonna stop you. Who told you?" He goes, "Didn't even throw up." I went, "So that's your sign for not concussed? You didn't throw up?" He said... (laughs) That is such a bro sign, Frankie. Look at me when I tell you this. You had brain trauma in that fight, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      (laughs)

   8. BSBrendan Schaub15:50

      Fucking telling you, bro.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      There's no way he didn't. It's impossible. I mean, maybe he'll recover 100%.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub15:55

       He's the best, man.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       But the, the fucking heart that it took to come back from that and draw-

   12. BSBrendan Schaub15:59

       Legend.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       ... in one fight and then KO him in the second fight.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub16:01

       Legend, brother.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Fucking crazy.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub16:02

       And what's crazy, if you look at Frankie's record, you know, when they toss him to Yair Rodriguez as the-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Mm-hmm.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub16:07

       ... you know, the- these young cats-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Woo!

   20. BSBrendan Schaub16:08

       ... he eats them up-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Eats them up.

   22. BSBrendan Schaub16:10

       ... like Kobayashi. Did you see the Brian Doherty/Cub Swanson fight?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Now, Ortega.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub16:13

       Holy shit.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       He does this to these young kids, man.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub16:15

       Brian Ortega is a totally different animal, though.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       And can-

   28. BSBrendan Schaub16:18

       Totally different animal if he gets ahold of your neck.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       You cannot fuck around with that dude on the ground. We're talking real high-level jiu-jitsu.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub16:25

       He beat Cub Swanson basically twice.
9. 20:00 – 23:16

   Khabib vs Tony: pressure wrestling vs chaos jiu-jitsu from the back

   1. BSBrendan Schaub20:00

      That Khabib-Tony fight, son.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:02

      I have-

   3. BSBrendan Schaub20:02

      It's my number one fight I wanna see this year.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      There's just people that I think have evolved from generation after generation after generation of grappler, you know? And there seems to be something happening with those- those Russian folks and those Dagestan folks and especially him with his dad being this fucking amazing trainer. He's just-

   5. BSBrendan Schaub20:24

      Just tougher than us, Joe.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:26

      Tougher.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub20:26

      We're not the same.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:27

      It's- something happens when he grabs ahold of guys that you just don't see. It's just-

   9. BSBrendan Schaub20:31

      Barboza's face was like, "What-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       Yeah.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub20:33

       "... the fuck?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       He's just getting run over by a freight train, just a guy with unstoppable pressure, constant punches to the face. You're never getting up. You feel it. You know you're never getting up and if you do get up, it's gonna cost you so much energy to get up, you're gonna be exhausted. And then you know this guy can take you down again. If he takes you down again, you're three quarters helpless. Three quarters helpless. Next round, you're gonna be half helpless. Next th- round-

   13. BSBrendan Schaub20:57

       Gotta hope he's not a five then.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       ... after that, you're basically helpless. You're just-

   15. BSBrendan Schaub20:59

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:59

       ... tough. You're just surviving on your- your toughness and you're, you know he's gonna take you down again and beat your face in again.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub21:04

       It's like ISIS torture, man. I'd rather just get murked real fast by Francis than fight Khabib. It's a savage, slow death.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       It's a savage, slow fight, but here's the thing. He's never fought anybody like Tony. Tony is so different. He's so different.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub21:19

       Completely different animal.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       He's so different. He's so dangerous on his feet, he's hard to take down, he scrambles like crazy. He's- he's well aware of what it takes to protect himself on the ground, he takes a tremendous shot, he's got crazy darces, he pulls darces up on people that are- that are like... You know, he did the Barboza, remember that fucking-

   21. BSBrendan Schaub21:38

       Correct.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       ... crazy-ass fight?

   23. BSBrendan Schaub21:39

       Correct, correct.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       And he slaps that darse on him? That darse is tight, son.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub21:42

       He's- his darse is world-class. Here's the X factor with Tony and Khabib, is to me, Tony's getting taken down.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       Right.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub21:48

       I can sure- I swear, I'd bet my life saving that he gets taken down. That's not the fight.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:52

       Right.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub21:53

       The fight starts once they hit the ground 'cause Tony Ferguson off his back is a s- monster.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:58

       A monster. Everything.
10. 23:16 – 32:13

    Stipe vs DC as a true heavyweight superfight (and the Jon Jones shadow)

    1. BSBrendan Schaub23:16

       And then think about St- let me just fucking get your dick out-

    2. JRJoe Rogan23:19

       Wait a minute.

    3. BSBrendan Schaub23:19

       ... Stipe, DC.

    4. JRJoe Rogan23:21

       That's a great fight too.

    5. BSBrendan Schaub23:22

       That's a super fight.

    6. JRJoe Rogan23:23

       Yeah.

    7. BSBrendan Schaub23:24

       That's a fucking super fight. We talk about all these super fights, that's a legit super fight.

    8. JRJoe Rogan23:28

       Yeah. That is a super fight, right?

    9. BSBrendan Schaub23:32

       It- it's such a close fight-

    10. JRJoe Rogan23:33

        It's a very good fight.

    11. BSBrendan Schaub23:34

        ... and DC's undefeated at heavyweight, was a former world champion-

    12. JRJoe Rogan23:37

        No.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub23:37

        ... from Strike Force.

    14. JRJoe Rogan23:39

        It's also, when you see DC wrestle Volkan, you go, "Oh, there are levels to this shit, kid." (laughs)

    15. BSBrendan Schaub23:46

        Correct. (laughs) Oh, Volkan-

    16. JRJoe Rogan23:47

        He's-

    17. BSBrendan Schaub23:47

        ... you got time, son.

    18. JRJoe Rogan23:48

        (laughs)

    19. BSBrendan Schaub23:48

        You got time. You got time now. You got time to work on your wrestling.

    20. JRJoe Rogan23:52

        (laughs)

    21. BSBrendan Schaub23:53

        I'm just kidding, I love you, Volkan. But- but the thing is, is-

    22. JRJoe Rogan23:56

        That shit's funny though.

    23. BSBrendan Schaub23:57

        It's funny, but he actually looked really good, like he'll-

    24. JRJoe Rogan24:00

        He looked really good.

    25. BSBrendan Schaub24:00

        The, uh, I've been in that clinch with DC and that is no picnic.

    26. JRJoe Rogan24:03

        Yeah.

    27. BSBrendan Schaub24:03

        He threw me around like a rag doll.

    28. JRJoe Rogan24:05

        He did real good until he didn't do good anymore and then DC did-

    29. BSBrendan Schaub24:08

        That's DC.

    30. JRJoe Rogan24:08

        ... exactly what he said he was gonna do. By the end of the round, he had his neck and he just was saved by the bell, and then when he went to the second round, th- you know, you could tell what was going on.
11. 32:13 – 1:00:26

    Heavyweight ecosystem: Francis’ wrestling gaps, Blaydes vs Hunt, and Cain’s endless storm

    1. BSBrendan Schaub32:13

       No, no, no. I- I- I- I- I... So Francis would, would lose... I'm back off the train. So Francis-

    2. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       (laughs) You're off the Francis train?

    3. BSBrendan Schaub32:20

       I'm at... Goddam, I'm off that train. I didn't know he can't wrestle at all.

    4. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       I think he was exhausted.

    5. BSBrendan Schaub32:24

       I didn't know he was like... How do you spell wrestling? Listen, so Curtis Blaydes smokes him. Cain Velasquez smokes him.

    6. JRJoe Rogan32:31

       Smokes who? Francis?

    7. BSBrendan Schaub32:31

       Yes, all day.

    8. JRJoe Rogan32:32

       Really? So you think Curtis Blaydes, when they fought the first time, just wasn't ready for him?

    9. BSBrendan Schaub32:36

       He didn't... But remember, that got stopped via doctor stoppage-

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:38

        Right.

    11. BSBrendan Schaub32:39

        ... in the second round.

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:40

        Right.

    13. BSBrendan Schaub32:40

        I think he goes, "Hold up, you have zero wrestling?"

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:42

        Right.

    15. BSBrendan Schaub32:42

        "You just hit mitts and lift weights and talk to the employees at the UFC Institute?"

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:46

        (laughs)

    17. BSBrendan Schaub32:47

        "The fuck? Yeah, I'm gonna wrestle your ass."

    18. JRJoe Rogan32:50

        I want to point out that I do not agree with that assessment. I'm sure he trained his wrestling. I'm sure he was in the best shape he could be.

    19. BSBrendan Schaub32:57

        That's not what he told me. No, I'm just kidding. (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan32:58

        I think he, I think he burned down the first round. I mean, I've watched it. He's definitely needs some more than wrestling.

    21. BSBrendan Schaub33:02

        There's no technique against wrestling there.

    22. JRJoe Rogan33:03

        Yeah.

    23. BSBrendan Schaub33:03

        I- I... From the very get go, if his... his sheer strength got him through some of those take downs-

    24. JRJoe Rogan33:08

        Yeah.

    25. BSBrendan Schaub33:08

        ... but you look at his hand placements, hips, it's not there. Now, it can come. It's a- it's a tough business to be in and try and pick that, those skills up and you look at the, that list. You know, Derrick Lewis, he can, he can double leg your ass.

    26. JRJoe Rogan33:19

        Yeah.

    27. BSBrendan Schaub33:19

        Mark Hunt, obviously good matchup. Curtis Blaydes, nightmare. Cain Velasquez, nightmare. Fabricio Werdum, fucking nightmare. Alstoveren can wrestle if he wants to.

    28. JRJoe Rogan33:27

        Mm-hmm.

    29. BSBrendan Schaub33:27

        Stipe, obviously nightmare. We saw what he did to him.

    30. JRJoe Rogan33:30

        The thing is he's so fucking powerful that every one of them could get nighty-nighted with one shot.
12. 1:00:26 – 1:10:13

    MMA circus hypotheticals: Sage, CM Punk, Floyd in MMA, and absurd betting odds

    1. BSBrendan Schaub1:00:26

       I don't know. Goddamn, they're still pushing Sage Northcutt on us, huh? Um...

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       (laughs) He's learning and growing. He's only 18 years old.

    3. BSBrendan Schaub1:00:35

       Goddammit.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Why you mad about Sage Northcutt fighting?

    5. BSBrendan Schaub1:00:36

       I'm not mad at... I'm mad at his haircut. I'm not mad at Sage. I think he's a phenomenal athlete.

Episode duration: 2:50:17