JRE MMA Show #150 with Daniel Cormier

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. DCDaniel Cormier0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Bro.

   5. DCDaniel Cormier0:13

      I got a friend named Zach Esposito, and he used to do that. We would get done with practice, and every technique had to be perfect. Even getting undressed and then back dressed was... This dude would sometimes get undressed three times.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      What?

   7. DCDaniel Cormier0:27

      He would get dressed. He'd, maybe he'd put something on in the wrong order. I don't know what he would do, but then he would take it off, and he would do it again. He would take it off. And then he, if he was drilling, every move. It's like, I don't know what that, that, that disease is called.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:40

      Obsessive-compulsive disorder.

   9. DCDaniel Cormier0:41

      That, that. Right?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   11. DCDaniel Cormier0:42

       It was with everything, though. And he became an NCAA champion.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Doesn't that make sense, though, that, like, those kind of things, if you could channel them into something positive.

   13. DCDaniel Cormier0:50

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Like, if you're a maniac-

   15. DCDaniel Cormier0:51

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       ... and you could just... Like, say, if you're, like, a compulsive gambler. You can't stop gambling.

   17. DCDaniel Cormier0:55

       Yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       You just gotta get out there and place bets.

   19. DCDaniel Cormier0:57

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       You gotta place... There's like, there's guys like that. If they could channel that same energy-

   21. DCDaniel Cormier1:01

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... into something else, like do jujitsu.

   23. DCDaniel Cormier1:03

       Could you imagine? Could you imagine, like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Yeah.

   25. DCDaniel Cormier1:04

       ... an athlete-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Yeah.

   27. DCDaniel Cormier1:06

       ... that's like that?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Yeah.

   29. DCDaniel Cormier1:07

       Michael Jordan.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       I'm sure he's like that.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yup, functional training. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      he just was the first to realize that, like, uh, functional training, you know-

   2. DCDaniel Cormier15:04

      Yup, functional training.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      ... thi- this kind of work, those, like, f- really hard physical work along with technique.

   4. DCDaniel Cormier15:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      It's like you just, he w- there's, there, it's interesting when you go back to the pioneers, how they all had to figure it out on their own, like Militic-

   6. DCDaniel Cormier15:16

      And that's what it was.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      ... figured it out on their own. The Lion's Den did it-

   8. DCDaniel Cormier15:19

      Yup.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      ... their way. And then-

   10. DCDaniel Cormier15:21

       And Militic trained, like, a bunch of champions.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       Oh, yeah.

   12. DCDaniel Cormier15:24

       For a while they had-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       James Pulver.

   14. DCDaniel Cormier15:24

       ... like, the best.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       You know.

   16. DCDaniel Cormier15:26

       Uh, uh, Pulver, Robby was in that gym. Matt Hughes was in that gym.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Yup.

   18. DCDaniel Cormier15:31

       Tim Sylvia was in that gym.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Tim Sylvia.

   20. DCDaniel Cormier15:32

       They all were in that same gym.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Bro, the Tim Sylvia that knocked out Rico Rodriguez was a scary man.

   22. DCDaniel Cormier15:38

       A big dude too.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       He was jacked back then too.

   24. DCDaniel Cormier15:41

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Remember how jacked he got?

   26. DCDaniel Cormier15:42

       Yeah, he was big.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       This is pre-USADA. Remember those days?

   28. DCDaniel Cormier15:45

       Oh, my goodness.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Everybody was sossing.

   30. DCDaniel Cormier15:46

       And USADA's going again.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   226 in the octagon…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      they said it was 226, I believe.

   2. DCDaniel Cormier30:01

      226 in the octagon at 185.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Find out what the, whether it was after the fight or-

   4. DCDaniel Cormier30:06

      Oh, my goodness.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      ... the day of the fight.

   6. DCDaniel Cormier30:09

      That-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Yeah, he, he went, m- that was like what he was walking around at.

   8. DCDaniel Cormier30:12

      That's crazy. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      (laughs) That's so big.

   10. DCDaniel Cormier30:15

       It's not fair, man.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       It's so crazy.

   12. DCDaniel Cormier30:17

       And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       You know, that power that he has.

   14. DCDaniel Cormier30:19

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       But I think also, I mean, you, you'd be the best person to ask about this. When you see guys that cut a lot of weight, it seems like it's harder for them to take shots.

   16. DCDaniel Cormier30:29

       Yeah. You know, I told that to Deiveson Figueiredo today. I said, "Remember by the end of the Moreno trilogy or fourth fight, every time Brandon hit him, it looked like it hurt him." And Deiveson was never a guy that had chin problems. But he's going up to 135 now this weekend.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Yeah, Rob Font.

   18. DCDaniel Cormier30:45

       And, yes, against Rob Font. So it's like-Is he gonna be more durable? Is he gonna be better at taking shots now?

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Right.

   20. DCDaniel Cormier30:53

       Because he was... I mean, TJ Dillashaw, when he went to 125, he was a shell of himself.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       That was a terrifying weight cut too. God, he looked like dead man walking.

   22. DCDaniel Cormier31:03

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       He looked like someone who was dying.

   24. DCDaniel Cormier31:05

       Do you, did you... What do you think... As a fighter, I actually liked the afternoon weigh-in better. I liked the afternoon weigh-in opposed to the morning weigh-in.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Why is that?

   26. DCDaniel Cormier31:17

       More time and sleep. Sleep. The night before, you got to sleep. Because if you woke up at 7:00, 8:00 over, you had all day Friday to make the weight. On fight day.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Yeah, 219 on fight day. (laughs)

   28. DCDaniel Cormier31:30

       That's cr- come on, man. (laughs) That's 25 pounds, bro. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       That's so big.

   30. DCDaniel Cormier31:35

       That's 25 pounds. That's cr-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   It was a foul?…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      on the ground. It's a foul.

   2. DCDaniel Cormier45:02

      It was a foul?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      It was a clear foul.

   4. DCDaniel Cormier45:03

      But is he supposed to get up? Like that's the thing, right? Like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:06

      It depends if he's concussed. If he's concussed, he shouldn't get up. If-

   6. DCDaniel Cormier45:10

      Anthony Smith.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Yeah.

   8. DCDaniel Cormier45:12

      Anthony Smith.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      Yeah. He could've been the champ.

   10. DCDaniel Cormier45:14

       Right ... Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       Yeah.

   12. DCDaniel Cormier45:15

       So, do you get up or do you kinda go, "Man, this ..." (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       Well, let me-

   14. DCDaniel Cormier45:21

       He, his shit's going sideways right now because he was down four rounds to zero.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Yeah.

   16. DCDaniel Cormier45:25

       Anthony Smith was sitting there and ... I don't know him. I know him, but I don't know what was in his mind. But there had to be a moment in there-

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       (laughs)

   18. DCDaniel Cormier45:36

       (laughs) Right? Where Anthony went ... Diego Sanchez did it. Remember Diego did it at 10, in, uh, (laughs) Diego did it in Phoenix. He was losing to, uh, one of the Brazilian guys and he got fouled. Diego's on the ground like, "29, 28. He's winning. Yep, I'm out." Diego's like, "I'm out. Take my dub, I'm good." Anthony Smith, and if he stays down, right, Joe? He wins the belt, he fights Jones again. Now, he's on the pay-per-view portion of it, gets paid more money. Even if he loses that belt, he got paid pay-per-view as the champ. Otherwise, you get told, "You're a beast for standing up." Right? But then you lose, they, the UFC moved on. Jon Jones just fought somebody else. He could've guaranteed himself another fight.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Mm-hmm.

   20. DCDaniel Cormier46:31

       It might seem coward, but what's the right way? What's the right way to do that? Because Aljamain did what he did. If Aljo stays, just gets up and continues, he wouldn't have got a rematch. He wouldn't have defended that belt three times. He wouldn't have fought O'Malley as the champ. He wouldn't have fought Cejudo. He wouldn't have fought Petr Yan and he wouldn't have fought TJ Dillashaw.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       Mm-hmm.

   22. DCDaniel Cormier46:53

       He would've got none of that if he got up. So while he might have gotten people to dislike him, he still lived as the champion, made a boatload of money, and he will always be remembered now as one of the better bantamweight champs in the world.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:06

       And it's hard to compare fouls, right? Because you don't really know like how, how did An- only Anthony Smith knows how he felt.

   24. DCDaniel Cormier47:17

       Yep.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       And only Aljamain knows how he felt.

   26. DCDaniel Cormier47:20

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       You can't, you can't com- it's hard because, you know, like every punch or every knee, they don't have the same impact on a person.

   28. DCDaniel Cormier47:26

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       The one that hit Aljo was like-

   30. DCDaniel Cormier47:28

       Was nasty.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:18

   Right. …

   1. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:00

      back in, like, the '30s. Bro, he was a big cat hunter. That was a bad son of gun. And he was hunting with those old-school guns. You know those old-school guns where-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Right.

   3. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:09

      Dude, this dude, they had, like, a fucking lion or a cheetah was just r- killing people in this village in Africa or in England. I mean, they were ki- ... It was killing. It was a man-eater. It's called the man-eater or something. So this guy would hunt. They brought this old dude from Europe down there to track this, this animal. This dude tracked this animal between three different, like, cities in this area and finally got that son of a gun because he shot it. And it was trying to attack him to kill him. He was running out of bu- ... It sounded like a movie, but it had this whole story. Morbid Knowledge, I'm telling you.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

      Whoa.

   5. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:44

      Go listen to it. Like, look at it. Some of it's kinda gross, but some of it's, like, pretty intriguing. Like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

      Isn't that one that, what that movie was based on, The Ghost and the Darkness?

   7. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:53

      Oh, my god, did you see that?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

      That's a great movie.

   9. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:55

      What a crazy movie. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       It's a great movie, man.

   11. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:57

       But-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:57

       There's nothing scarier than lions hunting people.

   13. DCDaniel Cormier1:00:59

       Oh, my god.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       Just a lion waiting for you.

   15. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:01

       I can't ha- ... I ca- ... I, I watch them even if they're a little bit, like, corny because I'm like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Oh.

   17. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:05

       ... "Oh, this is crazy." That's what it was called.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Oh, yeah.

   19. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:08

       It's that, that's the exact movie it's based on it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       That was, uh, Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas, right? Yeah.

   21. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:13

       It's based on that guy's story.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       Yeah.

   23. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:15

       But, dude, like, you watch, like, these-... like, there are so many sites like, like that other one that I said, Nature's Metal.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       Mm-hmm.

   25. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:23

       It'll show an eagle just floating, and it'll just fucking swoop down and grab some shit. And it don't matter what it is. If that eagle decides that it wants to eat that thing, it's gonna take it. Dog, pig, and squirrel, and it just rips it apart. Eagles are, like, so sick-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       Yeah.

   27. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:43

       ... in terms of an animal. They fly above you, they decide what they're gonna take, and they just take it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       And they pull salmon out of the river.

   29. DCDaniel Cormier1:01:51

       They pull salmon out of the river. How do they see?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       They fly with them. They just dive in there-

Episode duration: 2:29:23