JRE MMA Show #153 with Joe Pyfer

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JPJoe Pyfer0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What up? What up? What's up, Joe? What's up, Joe?

   4. NANarrator0:15

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      So, we should say right away, off the bat, 'cause people don't know, you really did break Francis Ngannou's punch record.

   6. JPJoe Pyfer0:23

      Yeah, so, uh, I don't know what the confusion is. You know, I- I- I didn't wanna-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      A lot of people are- th- th- they doubt it just 'cause he's so big.

   8. JPJoe Pyfer0:30

      So, I'm gonna post it, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      Well, we just sent it to Jamie.

   10. JPJoe Pyfer0:34

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       You sent one where you broke ... you went to 170.

   12. JPJoe Pyfer0:38

       Yeah, one ... yeah, 170.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       So, y- let's see this one.

   14. JPJoe Pyfer0:40

       So, you got Eddie Hall.

   15. NANarrator0:42

       Yeah, there you go.

   16. (laughs)

   17. Josh, what's the world record? I think I've got the tape.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       And he got 113. And Francis-

   19. NANarrator0:48

       An amazing result and credits to horsepower of the platform.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       ... had gotten 129.

   21. NANarrator0:50

       We're trying to break Ngannou's record right now.

   22. JPJoe Pyfer0:53

       I had already hit (laughs) four times. (machine clanks)

   23. NANarrator0:59

       Whoo!

   24. JPJoe Pyfer0:59

       Smashed it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       170.

   26. JPJoe Pyfer1:01

       Now, the only thing that ... so, this is the thing that people don't understand though, is, it- it's the same machine. I think everybody thought it was, like, one of those punching bags that are down at the- the boardwalk.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Right. Right.

   28. JPJoe Pyfer1:11

       And, uh, you know, it- it- it's aggravating because I pride myself in my power. I- I- I wanna hurt you, you know what I mean? Like, that's my intention. I'm trying to ... I- I mean-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Clearly.

   30. JPJoe Pyfer1:21

       ... we all throw with power, right? But-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Man, I, yeah, it's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      dude could explode on you like no other.

   2. JPJoe Pyfer15:03

      Man, I, yeah, it's that, uh, he's, yeah, I mean, that's a guy that's natural though, right? You wanna say he's a natural athlete?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Yeah. (laughs) I, I think natural-

   4. JPJoe Pyfer15:10

      Like, that's how he was born into it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      ... but I think maybe there was something going on in Cuba. I think they were doing some-

   6. JPJoe Pyfer15:14

      It has to be.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Look, look at Ku- Karelin. We always talk about Karelin, but Karelin for the Soviet Union, they called him The Experiment. That's literally what they called him.

   8. JPJoe Pyfer15:23

      Hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      He was so freakish. And his parents were, like, normal size. They were like, they were small folks.

   10. JPJoe Pyfer15:28

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       And he would, like, be walking with his parents, like, with his hands on their shoulders. He was a giant.

   12. JPJoe Pyfer15:32

       Yeah, he'd tower over them.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Just an immense human being, and they, they-

   14. JPJoe Pyfer15:35

       Here, here, here's a bowl of cereal, and here's some fucking testosterone.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       (laughs) There was no bowl of cereal. They gave him a fucking caribou liver for breakfast.

   16. JPJoe Pyfer15:41

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       That guy was, he was a freak of all freaks. But I think there's something to that Soviet training program, and, you know, when you look at other communist countries, like, particularly Cuba, there's no doubt about it, they did whatever they could to make their athletes the best they could. And it just stands to realize-

   18. JPJoe Pyfer15:57

       To a certain extent, I mean, I think e- if you wanna, you wanna have that peak performance, you wanna have that peak human being-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JPJoe Pyfer16:02

       ... from whatever you're trying to, you know, put them in, I mean, you, you can't (laughs) ... And naturally is hard, like, it, it's-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Yeah.

   22. JPJoe Pyfer16:08

       ... it's very hard. It's the hardest road.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       Well, you could get lucky. You could get lucky and get a Francis Ngannou with, like, the best genetics ever. Or you can just start manipulating someone when they're very young.

   24. JPJoe Pyfer16:17

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       If you get a young kid and you start giving them growth hormone and IGF-1 and all, peptides and stuff when they're really little, like, you can get 'em-

   26. JPJoe Pyfer16:25

       Yeah, it depends on their diet, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Yeah.

   28. JPJoe Pyfer16:27

       I mean, like, most of everything we eat is processed and trash.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       That too. That too.

   30. JPJoe Pyfer16:31

       We have the shittiest food. (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   It's a horrible thing…

   1. JPJoe Pyfer30:00

      like my coach that, you know, has come with me. I've known that man since I was 10 years old, you know. And he's seen me, where? In the gym. And then nothing's changed. He could tell you that from... You know, the only thing that's changed is my maturity, the way I look at life, perspective. But, uh, yeah, man, I mean, it was a, it was a rough background, and it only got worse as I got older.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      It's a horrible thing to hear. You know, as a parent, it's, it's terrifying to think that a parent... another parent could do that to their child. But we all know it's true. And we all know that it can do one of two things to someone. It could just ruin your life or it can give you this unstoppable fuel. And that's what it seems to have done with you. I would never wish that on anybody. But I often see people like you that are so fucking driven and so angry in there and so effective because of that, like, so dangerous because of that. I always... I'm often wonder, like, is it even possible?... to make a guy like you without that?

   3. JPJoe Pyfer30:57

      I don't think so.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:57

      I look at, like, Mike Tyson, same thing.

   5. JPJoe Pyfer30:59

      I don't think so and I ... But I think that's where I have my appreciation for him, you know. I'll never discredit him. I would not be in the sport if it wasn't for him. He was the one that went to the gym. He's the one that introduced me and I will give respect where it's due, right? And that's the respect he deserves.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:13

      Was he a fighter?

   7. JPJoe Pyfer31:14

      Uh, he ... So, he grew up in Kensington, Philadelphia. I don't know how well you know Philadelphia, shit hole. Um, bad parents. Mom apparently was, you know, borderline, I don't know if she was a prostitute or whatever, but he was homeless from fou- he was passed home to home. He was always passed back and forth to his parents so, he lived a much rougher life than me. Um, and, uh, you know, he got jumped all the time. Um, back then it was, you know, very segregated type, you know, you don't come into this part of Philly and you don't cross this part of Philly and so he would get jumped all the time. I think he was like a, a timid like skinny, nerdy, malnutritioned-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:48

      (laughs)

   9. JPJoe Pyfer31:49

      ... uh, child growing up, so. I know his dad, my grand- my grandpop, um, who I've met a handful of times, uh, was in the Vietnam War, but then when he came back, apparently my dad's story is that he used to sell drugs all the time and-

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       (sighs)

   11. JPJoe Pyfer32:02

       ... was always high, and like, like that's, that's the story he painted to us. So i- in my eyes like we never knew him really other than a handful of times we met him because they were bad people and he despised them and he wa- he always held like the craziest anger towards his family, like they all blackballed him. He was the black sheep. So yeah, I mean, he grew up rough too, but, uh ... Yeah, I mean, (smacks lips) he, um, he boxed apparently for a long time, you know. He used to tell everybody he was 115 and four, you can't fucking find the guy's records anywhere. 100% bullshit, dude's a fucking storyteller, but um, he could box, you know what I mean? Even if he didn't fight, he could box. He would do well against guys that were pro boxers or fi- guys that were in the gym. My dad was a, a tough dude, he was good, um, but, uh, you know, definitely always lied for his convenience, for his story and, uh, yeah, as he was learning jujitsu with a guy named Steve Hoeg who wound up owning Fight Factory, who taught me jujitsu, um, alongside with my dad but that's how I got into it, so ... I owe him a thanks for the tools that he gave me for the house I have gone to build.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:05

       Mm.

   13. JPJoe Pyfer33:07

       That's how I see it, you know what I mean? I don't think he ever intended to give me these tools and me go and fucking build a house with it and I think he despises me for it. I mean, he's one of the guys when our broke bar I'm sending message, "Face down, ass up, just how you like it." You'll never ... I told you-

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:20

       He sent you that?

   15. JPJoe Pyfer33:20

       (laughs) Oh, yeah. Bro, he's sent a lot of shit, man. He has sent a lot of shit.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       That's my dad sending me.

   17. JPJoe Pyfer33:24

       And don't get me wrong, I've sent a lot of shit back like we've, we've argued, you know what I mean? He c- he brings that special rage where I w- I would like lose my life or his life over it, you know what I mean? Like I have to separate myself from him, um ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       Jesus Christ.

   19. JPJoe Pyfer33:37

       So yeah, I mean, but yeah, th- just there's no holds bar when it comes to that guy. The way he manipulates, the way he lies, the way he has basically hurt every single person. He has, he has no tr- he has no long-lasting friendships in his life. There's a reason for that, you know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:52

       Yeah. That's horrible.

   21. JPJoe Pyfer33:53

       Yeah, so not a good human being but-

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:55

       It's not, not good but again, I mean, I hate to say it but in your line of work, it's like a superpower.

   23. JPJoe Pyfer34:01

       (clicks tongue) It is a superpower, you know what I mean? I got, I got that dark devil with me when I need him and, uh, I don't mind it, you know what I mean? I- I- I can be a sweetheart, I could be a good person. I'm a giving person, I give a lot back in the dark to my, to my teammates, you know? Uh, one of the kids is Jose Soto who, uh, just by the way, got surgery today, hope you're doing well. Um, I think he's gonna, like he's got one eye, like visib- like visibility, and he's one of the toughest guys I've ever sparred and he's a amateur and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:29

       How is it that ... I wanted to ask you about this like, you know, uh, Shahar Bullitt has one eye?

   25. JPJoe Pyfer34:34

       Yeah. That's why I'm saying it because I'm telling you right now this kid will whoop that dude.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       How is Shahar Bullitt able to fight? I mean, how do you pass athletic commission standards?

   27. JPJoe Pyfer34:42

       So I- I don't know. So I think that from what I've heard depen- it's, it's I think it depends on the commission and where you're fighting. Um, in PA I know he has to have I think and I may be wrong, so somebody don't roast me for it, but I think you have to have I think it's called a 22, 20/200. You have to... It's like s- has to be some type of visibility.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:01

       So you have to be able to see objects or light movements?

   29. JPJoe Pyfer35:03

       Yeah, an object, shapes, something. You have to be able to at least identify something outta that eye.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:08

       Right.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   He was a, uh...…

   1. JPJoe Pyfer45:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      He was a, uh... He was a big boxer. He's famous for the one fight. Was it Jose Luis Castillo? Is that what it was? He had this fight with Jose Luis Castillo. It was like one of the greatest displays of guts because he was out, man. I mean, he was out. He was battered. His eyes are swollen. Watch this fight.

   3. JPJoe Pyfer45:18

      He's the guy in red?

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      So Diego, Diego Corrales is in the white with the red stripes.

   5. JPJoe Pyfer45:21

      Okay.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      And Jose Luis Castillo, who's also a very tough guy is the guy in the red. And he, he rocks him and he hurts him. I mean, Corrales looks like he's done. I mean, he looks like he's done. He gets hit with a perfect left hook. He gets dropped and he gets up. I mean, this is like a, a Arturo Gatti type performance. Like... I mean, it was one of those fights where you're just like, "My God." He gets up. I mean, he is fucked. He's fucked. And Castillo catches him again. I mean, it looks like the fight's over. Some, some referees maybe even would stop it right there, you know? I mean, some referees, you see you go down again like that, they're waving that off, right? Yeah, yeah. A lot of referees. And then I would say good call, good stoppage. Yeah. The guy's done, right? Yeah. Watch this. I mean, Corrales' left eye's completely swollen shut, can't see shit. Gets dropped twice. Looks like he could barely stand. He's talking to the referee. He's like, "Don't stop this. Don't stop this. I'm good." S- he puts his mouthpiece back in. They're giving him some time here, which is nice. Gets back out in there. I mean, he's, he's still fucked, right?

   7. JPJoe Pyfer46:42

      Yeah. Yeah, you're not recovered.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:44

      He looks bad.

   9. JPJoe Pyfer46:44

      His legs, his legs don't look-

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       And Castillo's a very big puncher. Yeah, he looks like he's with it. And he gets clipped again. I mean, this is a... This is like an all-time classic performance.

   11. JPJoe Pyfer47:04

       Oh, he's got him.

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:05

       I mean, this is really like Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti.

   13. JPJoe Pyfer47:09

       Castillo punched himself there.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden he comes back. I mean, this was like from the verge of defeat and he catches him with a left hook.

   15. JPJoe Pyfer47:26

       Yeah, I mean, Castillo's done. Should see the look on his face, the doubt.

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:30

       But it's crazy if you think about how done Corrales was and then the referee stops it right there.

   17. JPJoe Pyfer47:34

       Yeah, he stops.

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       I mean, crazy, crazy, crazy comeback. Well, Diego was a wild fella and-

   19. JPJoe Pyfer47:42

       Yeah, it's crazy how-

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:42

       ... uh, he died on a motorcycle, so-

   21. JPJoe Pyfer47:44

       Hmm. Yeah, so I've-

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:46

       Please, Joe.

   23. JPJoe Pyfer47:46

       I've heard some... So many, so many bad stories. Um, but like you won't... You don't get into a car and... I'm gonna give you my, my-

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       Okay.

   25. JPJoe Pyfer47:54

       ... my, my thought, right? You won't get into your car, you know the car we talked about, the Camaro.

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:00

       Yeah.

   27. JPJoe Pyfer48:00

       You won't get in that and be like, "Man, I could die driving this." Now, you know the dangers of it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       Yeah.

   29. JPJoe Pyfer48:05

       You know how fast it is and whatnot, but you'll never... You'll never... Like I won't... I could die going in this cage.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:10

       Right.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:46

   Ugh. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:00

      Ugh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      If you don't get excited by this, move somewhere else.

   4. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:04

      Bro, my heart starts racing watching it. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Yeah, you n- you need to go to another country motherfucker.

   6. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:08

      Bro, I get more adrenaline from driving like that than fighting.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      Look at that fucking thing. Good Lord.

   8. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:16

      Hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      Good Lord. God, that thing is amazing.

   10. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:22

       Dodge, let's hook it up, dude. You need to have me on your team.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       (laughs)

   12. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:27

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       I love Dodge. I have a Ram. I have a TRX that I got from John Hennessy.

   14. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:31

       Do you like that?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       It's got 1,000 horsepower.

   16. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:33

       Do you like a truck that fast?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       Fuck yeah. I love that one. Yeah. I love that one.

   18. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:39

       Yeah. Don't say it out loud-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       I love that TRX.

   20. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:40

       ... or Sean Brady will be upset with us.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Why?

   22. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:41

       Small ass Ford Raptor. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Oh, those are great too.

   24. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:44

       No, they're good. He's got a nice one.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Raptors are great. The new one-

   26. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:46

       He's got a nice one.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       The Raptor R, the V8 one is insane.

   28. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:48

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       And Hennessy's doing that too. He's taking that up to 1,000 horsepower.

   30. JPJoe Pyfer1:00:51

       Is the Raptor R a twin turbo?

Episode duration: 2:39:37