JRE MMA Show #153 with Joe Pyfer

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Joe Rogan 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Pyfer 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What up? What up? What's up, Joe? What's up, Joe?

Narrator 0:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:15 So, we should say right away, off the bat, 'cause people don't know, you really did break Francis Ngannou's punch record.

Joe Pyfer 0:23 Yeah, so, uh, I don't know what the confusion is. You know, I- I- I didn't wanna-

Joe Rogan 0:27 A lot of people are- th- th- they doubt it just 'cause he's so big.

Joe Pyfer 0:30 So, I'm gonna post it, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:32 Well, we just sent it to Jamie.

Joe Pyfer 0:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:34 You sent one where you broke ... you went to 170.

Joe Pyfer 0:38 Yeah, one ... yeah, 170.

Joe Rogan 0:40 So, y- let's see this one.

Joe Pyfer 0:40 So, you got Eddie Hall.

Narrator 0:42 Yeah, there you go.

0:44 (laughs)

0:44 Josh, what's the world record? I think I've got the tape.

Joe Rogan 0:45 And he got 113. And Francis-

Narrator 0:48 An amazing result and credits to horsepower of the platform.

Joe Rogan 0:49 ... had gotten 129.

Narrator 0:50 We're trying to break Ngannou's record right now.

Joe Pyfer 0:53 I had already hit (laughs) four times. (machine clanks)

Narrator 0:59 Whoo!

Joe Pyfer 0:59 Smashed it.

Joe Rogan 1:00 170.

Joe Pyfer 1:01 Now, the only thing that ... so, this is the thing that people don't understand though, is, it- it's the same machine. I think everybody thought it was, like, one of those punching bags that are down at the- the boardwalk.

Joe Rogan 1:11 Right. Right.

Joe Pyfer 1:11 And, uh, you know, it- it- it's aggravating because I pride myself in my power. I- I- I wanna hurt you, you know what I mean? Like, that's my intention. I'm trying to ... I- I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:21 Clearly.

Joe Pyfer 1:21 ... we all throw with power, right? But-

Joe Rogan 1:22 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 1:23 ... I feel like I have a little different intention sometimes. So, you know, I've always prided myself in hitting hard, I've always felt like I hit harder than everybody. Um, now, sure, I'm sure Francis's punch feels different to mine, but I got speed, I got power, and I walk at, like, 220 when I'm at a camp. So, I'm not a small guy, you know what I mean? I'm 6'2", 220 when I'm hitting that. And even then, probably there, I was probably light because I was injured. So, I was probably about 212, 214 when I hit that. And just to put it up, I'm gonna post it whenever, uh, I get back home and, uh, I'm gonna post a video and I'm gonna post the picture also of me hitting higher than that, at 181. I only have the picture, but Tuco was-

Joe Rogan 2:03 That's crazy.

Joe Pyfer 2:04 ... Brendan Allen's coach was there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:05 I think someone has kicked it up to, like, 187. I think that's the newest high kick. Which is crazy.

Joe Pyfer 2:13 Kick, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:13 Yeah, that your-

Joe Pyfer 2:14 I'm not kicking half.

Joe Rogan 2:14 ... your punch is that close to a kick.

Joe Pyfer 2:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:17 That's pretty nuts.

Joe Pyfer 2:18 Now, get it, uh, it's a standstill object, right?

Joe Rogan 2:21 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 2:21 I can smash that thing.

Joe Rogan 2:22 Right.

Narrator 2:23 I'm with my man-

Joe Pyfer 2:24 But I've been, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:25 What do you got, Joe?

Narrator 2:25 ... I was trying to see who did it. Uh, here's Aljo and Wonderboy kicking it. There's someone just did 189. I don't know who that is.

Joe Rogan 2:33 Oh, Lorenz Larkin. That's Lorenz Larkin.

Narrator 2:35 There you go.

Joe Rogan 2:35 Yeah, I think he's got the record now. Lorenz, who used to fight in the UFC, now ... I guess he's with the PFL now, right? Because-

Joe Pyfer 2:42 I thought he was Bellator. Oh, yeah, they merged.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Well, Bellator is the PFL now. Yeah, but Lorenz got 189.

Narrator 2:47 235.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Oh, Jesus. He got 235?

Narrator 2:50 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:50 Lorenz can fucking kick hard.

Joe Pyfer 2:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 That's a super underrated dude. I always go to his fight with Neil Magny. Go watch that fight.

Joe Pyfer 2:59 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 3:00 That dude can strike.

Joe Pyfer 3:00 I would love to see Diego Lina.

Joe Rogan 3:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Pyfer 3:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:02 He's another one.

Joe Pyfer 3:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 3:04 Jose.

Joe Rogan 3:05 There's probably a f-... quite a few guys that can kick like that. But Lorenz, like, if you watch him, that technique is just p- perfect. He's per-... the way he s- s- switches his hips, the way he turns his body into it is just maximizing it.

Joe Pyfer 3:18 Yeah, I mean...

Joe Rogan 3:19 You know?

Joe Pyfer 3:19 It's really, I mean, some people, I ... It's weird, you know, for me because a lot of people think I have natural power, and I get annoyed with it because I've, I've never had anything natural in my life. I, you know, everything was difficult. Learning it, learning jujitsu, learning how to box, you know, everything was hard for me to learn. So, I have a bitter chip on my shoulder when people are like trying to discredit it with natural power. I don't know, but-

Joe Rogan 3:41 W- there's a ... there is a thing though, where there's, uh, there's, like, you could unlock horsepower in a human being, but you only have so much when it comes to power. There's certain people, and I think you've all... we've all seen them, they just don't hit hard-

Joe Pyfer 3:56 No.

Joe Rogan 3:56 ... for whatever reason.

Joe Pyfer 3:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:57 And they look big. They can look strong. And then there's certain guys that, for whatever reason, they fucking hit crazy hard, and they're not that big. And a lot of it is efficiency and fluidity in the technique and the leverage. And that's all learned, right? But there's, like, a certain thing to, like, bone structure and just natural power.

Joe Pyfer 4:20 My bones gotta be trash, Joe, 'cause I'm-

Joe Rogan 4:22 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 4:22 ... fucking having two surgeries and being beat up.

Joe Rogan 4:25 I just think it's the amount of power that you generate. I mean, that's probably a lot of it too, you know?

Joe Pyfer 4:29 It's probably a corny thing to say, but I was told that I almost generate too much force for my bone density to handle. Um, I don't know how true that is. I don't know if they were just kinda-

Joe Rogan 4:38 Kinda makes sense.

Joe Pyfer 4:39 ... stroking my ego, but-

Joe Rogan 4:40 Well, it makes sense. That's why your hands break.

Joe Pyfer 4:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:42 When- when people's hands break, that's why they break, 'cause you're literally generating too much force for your bone structure.

Joe Pyfer 4:47 Yeah, man, my hands would be all-

Joe Rogan 4:48 Dude, when you fought Razak Al Hassan, you are on ... there's like ... there's a thing that happens with fighters where you see them, you see anxiety, you see first fight, you see nerves, you see jitters, you see skills, but it's hard to, like, see the full range of them. And then they start getting comfortable. And when they start getting comfortable, like, uh, the Mirshakht fight, you just st- stomped him.

Joe Pyfer 5:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 But the Razak Al Hassan fight, like, dude, you were on another level. Like, that's like ... when- when people talk about a guy in the gym, like, "Dude, you gotta see this motherfucker in the gym." And then, seeing that manifest itself inside the octagon, to me, that's one of my favorite things to see. I love watching guys show their potential, you know? And in that fight, Razak Al Hassan is a beast.

Joe Pyfer 5:39 Yeah, he's a dog.

Joe Rogan 5:40 He's a dangerous dude. And you just put on a fucking show in that fight. You looked like you were on a completely different level, like you had gone up several rungs from where you were before.

Joe Pyfer 5:51 You know what's crazy about it though? The- the whole process of what's gotten me to that point has been nothing shy of just, man, if I'm mentally happy, I'm gonna destroy everybody.... but I often struggle mentally, you know. Like, I, (laughs) bro, I didn't turn it on, my coaches were all scared in the back, um, just because they know me so well. I'm an emotional dude, I, I wear my heart on my sleeve, like I say how I feel. Um, you don't really have to read the room, you can read my face, you know what I mean? You understand where I'm at. And I'm not, I'm not shy to say where I'm at. So, uh, that whole week was off, uh, Sean wasn't in the corner, he got sick. I had some issues with a, with a best friend and I've known for 12, 13 years, he didn't get to come out and, and just ... I, everything was like off. I, I had, uh, I had MRSA on my bicep, on my forearm two weeks before-

Joe Rogan 6:39 Oh, shit.

Joe Pyfer 6:39 ... I was on, I had antibiotics before that I got in, uh, I split my toes open where they're separated, so the bone side, like, I could barely ... Like, it got all swollen. Bro, I've never had an easy camp and I was, I was having nightmares for the first time of getting knocked the fuck (laughs) out, like all week during my weight cut, during training. I had these crazy nerves, I would get cold sweats, like I thought something was wrong and, uh, I'd never had that before, you know? And I was contemplating like, "Man, I'm not gonna rush my career, maybe this isn't the right move." But, uh-

Joe Rogan 7:11 Was it the step up in competition?

Joe Pyfer 7:13 No, no.

Joe Rogan 7:14 What-

Joe Pyfer 7:14 So, so this is crazy, it's gonna come off ... Well, it's not crazy, but it comes off as really arrogant, like Abdoul was not a step up in competition for me. He was a step up as far as, you know, power, you know, and, and people that I fought, uh, as far as, you know, people that have the ability to knock you out, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:29 Consequences.

Joe Pyfer 7:30 Yeah, yeah. There was consequences for small error and, uh, but I knew skill for skill, dude's not on my level. I knew Jarrell Merchardt, Merchardt, Meershart, however you say it, whenever I ... Bro, I mean that dude to me without being disrespectful is ... I don't know how he's been in UFC, um, the guy I first fought, you know, he's not in UFC anymore, but he had eight knockouts. I'm not ... I've been doing this for 23 years, I started at four and a half years old, um, I don't want people to think that I'm cocky or arrogant, but I am. I am cocky, I'm confident, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:59 Don't you think you kinda have to be?

Joe Pyfer 8:01 Yeah, you do have to be.

Joe Rogan 8:02 You're, you're a fucking cage fighter.

Joe Pyfer 8:03 It's your, it's your protection barrier too-

Joe Rogan 8:05 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 8:05 ... from, from people to just openly try to cut you down 'cause everybody like, like hitting that punching machine, everybody immediately discredits, uh-

Joe Rogan 8:13 Right.

Joe Pyfer 8:13 ... says that Dana White just wants to get after Francis Ngannou that's why I didn't release the video. I told you at the Austin fight-

Joe Rogan 8:19 Right.

Joe Pyfer 8:19 ... I was pissed off it didn't get posted.

Joe Rogan 8:21 Right.

Joe Pyfer 8:21 You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 8:22 Well, it's posted now.

Joe Pyfer 8:23 Yeah. So, uh, it's posted now and, you know, it's on a big platform, but yeah, man, I mean Abdoul was just somebody you had to be careful with, but I didn't think he boxed better than me and I think DC even says that as I'm walking into the cage and, uh, his best shot was to knock me out and if he couldn't knock me out, he wasn't winning that fight, so ...

Joe Rogan 8:39 Well, it's also very evident, like you're one of those guys that's v- v- at the top of the 185 pound division in terms of like physical stature. You don't get much bigger at 185. It's like you and guys like Pereira which Pereira doesn't even make sense.

Joe Pyfer 8:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:54 Like I was always like, "How? How the fuck are you 185?"

Joe Pyfer 8:58 (sighs) Man, uh, even when I look at ... Yeah, I mean when I look at him, like I've seen ... It's so weird, we've seen each other so many times there's no head nod, there's no respect, there's no like ... Uh, uh, even him, like man, I think a lot of guys are overrated in this fucking sport.

Joe Rogan 9:10 You think that guy's overrated?

Joe Pyfer 9:11 I mean, look, I don't think his pa-

Joe Rogan 9:12 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 9:12 I think he, I think getting hit by him isn't overrated, right? But he's very stiff and he's got that off switch. He's got that off switch. What he definitely does at 85.

Joe Rogan 9:21 Well and Izzy, Izzy clipped him and he was-

Joe Pyfer 9:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:23 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 9:24 At 85, I don't know about 205, but-

Joe Rogan 9:25 I think that is a big part of the weight cut. I think his weight cut is borderline dangerous. Like I think that a weight cut to 85 could kill you.

Joe Pyfer 9:36 Yeah, it could kill him. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Yeah. I think he's just so tough that he doesn't, but I think there's, there's a point of diminishing returns and certainly with your chin.

Joe Pyfer 9:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:45 And when Izzy cracked him, obviously Izzy hit him perfect, it was pinpoint, and then rocked him with the second shot. But the way he went out, I was like-

Joe Pyfer 9:52 It's, it's gone.

Joe Rogan 9:53 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 9:53 It's almost like a ... You know, I, I'm not gonna say any names, but you know there, there's a guy that just recently lost who I like and it's like, man, like when you've had that off button shut off-

Joe Rogan 10:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 10:03 ... to the point where you're frozen, it's not like he got TKO'd, it's off.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Yes.

Joe Pyfer 10:07 Uh, I've-

Joe Rogan 10:07 There's a thing that happens to guys when they've taken too many shots.

Joe Pyfer 10:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:10 You, you could see it, but-

Joe Pyfer 10:11 Yeah. I've never, I've never been laid out, um, last time I was ever dropped I was 18 years old, I got dropped by a guy that used to be in the UFC for a brief moment. Uh, it was Tim Williams (laughs) he fought your boy Eryk Anders-

Joe Rogan 10:22 Mm.

Joe Pyfer 10:23 ... uh, who I, I like, he's cool, but, uh, but yeah, no, I've never been ... I've never had the lights like shut off or anything, so thankful for that, but, uh, I pride myself on my defense too, you know what I mean? I don't-

Joe Rogan 10:32 It's critical.

Joe Pyfer 10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 I mean a strong defensive base is so important when, when you know how to move well. I was just watching this documentary that the UFC put on, uh, about Anderson Silva and it's not that I forgot how good Anderson Silva was-

Joe Pyfer 10:47 Smooth (exhales) . Super smooth, super fluent.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Just everything, man. When he was in his prime his fucking defense too was so perfect. He was so hard to hit clean.

Joe Pyfer 10:58 His range, man. You know when you're tall-

Joe Rogan 11:00 Oh.

Joe Pyfer 11:00 ... or these guys underestimate range and, and, you know, everybody wants to brawl, but people don't understand range, you know. You should be able to slide back and it just grazes your beard, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 11:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 11:08 So, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Range is everything and also the mechanical advantage of that long frame when Anderson would throw that torque on guys, you know? And when he was in his prime, like you watch like the Rich Franklin fights and the Chris Leben fight and like that fucking dude was special, man. But defense-

Joe Pyfer 11:26 So now let me, let me ask you-

Joe Rogan 11:27 ... was a big part of it.

Joe Pyfer 11:27 ... because I'm a huge fan of the old school days.

Joe Rogan 11:30 Mm.

Joe Pyfer 11:30 More so than the, the new school. Um, I just think it was more raw and just like there ... Like I liked when everybody was on 'roids.

Joe Rogan 11:37 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 11:37 You know everybody was on 'roids, but that's exactly the stipulation, right? You know we're so hard on the athletes of today-

Joe Rogan 11:44 Right.

Joe Pyfer 11:44 ... they pop for something that's not even a performance ha- performance enhancing level-

Joe Rogan 11:48 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 11:49 ... but these guys had their reign and were never discredited but we know they were all on shit.

Joe Rogan 11:54 Right. Well, I always talk about TRT Vitor. You know T- I think TRT Vitor-

Joe Pyfer 11:58 The best.

Joe Rogan 11:58 The Vitor that fucked up Luke Rockhold-

Joe Pyfer 12:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:00 ... and Michael Bisping, that dude I'd put him up against anybody ever.

Joe Pyfer 12:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:04 He was, he was fucking terrifying, but he was also like-... silverback gorilla levels of testosterone.

Joe Pyfer 12:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:10 He was, like, off the charts. (laughs) Like, when they tested him, one of the reasons why they stopped TRT is 'cause they tested Vitor one time, and he was so far off the charts, they were like, "What the fuck are you doing?" (laughs) And he had said that, you know, he was gonna be in America for, like, a week, and so the doctor just gave him a big dose to, like, last for the week.

Joe Pyfer 12:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:31 I just think he-

Joe Pyfer 12:32 Look at him next to you. (laughs) He looks-

Joe Rogan 12:33 Oh, man.

Joe Pyfer 12:34 ... almost the same size.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Well, Yoel Romero-

Joe Pyfer 12:36 I'm a huge fan of Yoel Romero, by the way.

Joe Rogan 12:37 Yoel Romero is the freak of all freaks. And I've said this many times before on this podcast, but, uh, he is the single most impressive athlete I have ever seen in all my years of watching fights.

Joe Pyfer 12:48 How old is he? 44 now?

Joe Rogan 12:49 He's at least 44. He might be 45, 46.

Joe Pyfer 12:52 Oh, man. Yeah, Juice- Juice-Vietor was, was the bomb, though. 100%.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Yoel didn't even need juice, man. He was a part of the Cuban athletic program. And there's something about that dude, whether it's genetics or who knows what it is, but I- I've told this before, so I apologize for anybody who's heard this, the UFC had brought him to a doctor after one of his fights, I think it was one of his fights in Australia. And the doctor said to the UFC, "Where did you get this guy?" And he go, and he, and they were like, "Uh, he's one of our fighters." He said, "I've never seen anything like him." He goes, "Yeah, he's pretty amazing, right?" He goes, "No, you don't understand. I've never seen a human being like him." The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than normal. They said that his, his orbital bone, when it fractured, by the time they got him to the doctor, like, couple days later, it already started healing. Like, this guy's a fucking wolverine.

Joe Pyfer 13:42 That dude was eating fucking bark or something from growing up.

Joe Rogan 13:44 (laughs) Probably. Right? He, I mean, he was something super special. That guy-

Joe Pyfer 13:48 I, I have to say, I, I, I, he was, he was someone that I loved watching.

Joe Rogan 13:53 Oh.

Joe Pyfer 13:53 I loved that Paulo Costa and Yoel Romero fight-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Oh, yeah, man.

Joe Pyfer 13:56 ... and whatnot. I was always sad that I never got to see him win a belt before he, uh, before he left, but-

Joe Rogan 13:59 Well, he was in the UFC, like, uh, he started in the UFC, I believe, in his very late 30s.

Joe Pyfer 14:05 Yeah, like, 37.

Joe Rogan 14:07 Yeah, something crazy like that.

Joe Pyfer 14:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Like, when he knocked out Lyoto Machida, I think he'd be like 38, 39.

Joe Pyfer 14:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:12 He was already at the range where most guys were looking to hang it up.

Joe Pyfer 14:15 But look at a guy like that, right? I mean, I don't think he's as that technical. I don't think he's, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:20 Was wrestling for certain, yeah.

Joe Pyfer 14:21 ... very technically s- uh, wrestling 100%, you know?

Joe Rogan 14:23 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 14:24 But he never used it, uh, as, like, a co- complete mish- mixed martial artist. He always seemed to kind of just be, like, the kickboxing guy, wanted to keep it on the feet, um, every now and then.

Joe Rogan 14:33 Which is crazy when you think about his wrestling background.

Joe Pyfer 14:36 I mean, man.

Joe Rogan 14:36 But that's just an energy thing. Like, the amount of energy that it takes to wrestle-

Joe Pyfer 14:40 That's a lot.

Joe Rogan 14:40 ... can take guys down, espe- especially when they're slippery, especially when he's not a submission guy.

Joe Pyfer 14:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:45 You know, I, I don't know if he has any submissions in his, uh, his record.

Joe Pyfer 14:49 I'm not sure.

Joe Rogan 14:49 He just smashes guys when he gets them on the ground.

Joe Pyfer 14:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:51 But his wrestling was so elite, but yet you rarely saw it. But, like, when he knocked out Chris Weidman with that flying knee, like, that fucking dude could explode on you like no other.

Joe Pyfer 15:03 Man, I, yeah, it's that, uh, he's, yeah, I mean, that's a guy that's natural though, right? You wanna say he's a natural athlete?

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah. (laughs) I, I think natural-

Joe Pyfer 15:10 Like, that's how he was born into it.

Joe Rogan 15:10 ... but I think maybe there was something going on in Cuba. I think they were doing some-

Joe Pyfer 15:14 It has to be.

Joe Rogan 15:15 Look, look at Ku- Karelin. We always talk about Karelin, but Karelin for the Soviet Union, they called him The Experiment. That's literally what they called him.

Joe Pyfer 15:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:23 He was so freakish. And his parents were, like, normal size. They were like, they were small folks.

Joe Pyfer 15:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:28 And he would, like, be walking with his parents, like, with his hands on their shoulders. He was a giant.

Joe Pyfer 15:32 Yeah, he'd tower over them.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Just an immense human being, and they, they-

Joe Pyfer 15:35 Here, here, here's a bowl of cereal, and here's some fucking testosterone.

Joe Rogan 15:38 (laughs) There was no bowl of cereal. They gave him a fucking caribou liver for breakfast.

Joe Pyfer 15:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:41 That guy was, he was a freak of all freaks. But I think there's something to that Soviet training program, and, you know, when you look at other communist countries, like, particularly Cuba, there's no doubt about it, they did whatever they could to make their athletes the best they could. And it just stands to realize-

Joe Pyfer 15:57 To a certain extent, I mean, I think e- if you wanna, you wanna have that peak performance, you wanna have that peak human being-

Joe Rogan 16:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 16:02 ... from whatever you're trying to, you know, put them in, I mean, you, you can't (laughs) ... And naturally is hard, like, it, it's-

Joe Rogan 16:07 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 16:08 ... it's very hard. It's the hardest road.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Well, you could get lucky. You could get lucky and get a Francis Ngannou with, like, the best genetics ever. Or you can just start manipulating someone when they're very young.

Joe Pyfer 16:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:17 If you get a young kid and you start giving them growth hormone and IGF-1 and all, peptides and stuff when they're really little, like, you can get 'em-

Joe Pyfer 16:25 Yeah, it depends on their diet, right?

Joe Rogan 16:27 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 16:27 I mean, like, most of everything we eat is processed and trash.

Joe Rogan 16:31 That too. That too.

Joe Pyfer 16:31 We have the shittiest food. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:32 I'm sure they give them optimal nutrition. I'm sure that they, uh, I'm sure with that kind of a program, like, a communist program with y- where everything, uh, w- is on the line. Like, if you are a athlete for, uh, a totalitarian dictatorship, like, whether it's Cuba or Russia or China or whatever it is, they will do whatever they can to make their athletes the best. The, like, the idea of cheating, when we saw the Sochi Olympics with that documentary, Icarus, have you seen that

Joe Rogan 17:02 documentary?

Joe Pyfer 17:02 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 17:03 It's a great documentary by Bryan Fogel about, um ... I've talked about this recently. Uh, I apologize to people who listened, but the, uh, Bryan Fogel, what he was gonna do is he, he did a, a bike race and he did a bike race natural, and he's, uh, a very good athlete, uh, uh, endurance athlete. So he did this bike race natural, and then he went to this guy who's the head of the Soviet anti-doping program, and he said, uh, "This is what I wanna do. I wanna do it natural one year, and then the next year, I want you to just juice me up to the tits."

Joe Pyfer 17:33 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:33 "And we're gonna do a documentary and see how I do juiced versus natural." In the process of filming all this, it, uh, it got released that the Sochi Olympics were rigged. And so what Russia was doing was, uh, they put a hole in the wall where the urine samples were, and they were swapping urine samples. So they're taking the dirty urine samples from their athletes, 'cause it was in Russia. So they're taking the dirty urine samples from their athletes and swapping it out for clean urine samples. But they got caught because they found these micro scratches on these jars that were supposedly impossible to open, and that these, like, impenetrable jars that they stored the urine in to make it secure. But then they did an analysis on the jar and they said that, like, "Somebody's been fucking with these jars." And so then they analyzed the urine, and then the whole house of cards came tumbling down while this guy was doing this documentary. And this guy, what was his name? Grigory Rodchenko? Was that his name?

Joe Pyfer 18:29 I think-...kov.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Rodchenkov. That gentleman, who is the head of the Soviet doping program, got in the witness protection program, and then spilled the beans on the Soviet Union. He's hiding in America now. I mean, they arrested his family. They took away his family's money. Like, they- they fucked his whole family up. Like, it's- it- the whole- the story is crazy. But he detailed everything that they do as far as their doping program. And they doped everybody. They dope everybody except figure skaters.

Joe Pyfer 18:56 Damn.

Joe Rogan 18:57 That's the dude. Uh, Grigory Rodchenkov.

Joe Pyfer 19:00 Definitely not what I was imaging. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 19:01 Or picturing in my head. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:03 He's hilarious. He's actually funny. But-

Joe Pyfer 19:05 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 19:05 ... it's- it's an amazing documentary. I can't recommend Icarus enough. But it just shows how far these countries are willing to go in order to gain, you know, national superiority by having their athletes gold medal more than anybody.

Joe Pyfer 19:19 Power. It's the most addicting thing, right?

Joe Rogan 19:21 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 19:22 I mean-

Joe Rogan 19:22 And it's also- it's, you know, it's national pride. There's a lot inv-... And they're all assuming that everybody else is doing this too because-

Joe Pyfer 19:30 Everybody is on some shit.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Yeah, like-

Joe Pyfer 19:32 Everybody's on some shit.

Joe Rogan 19:32 There's- for sure, if they can get away with it, they cheat. Pe- there's so much, especially when it comes to things like the Olympics. There's so much shenanigans.

Joe Pyfer 19:38 Because they'll never stop exploring, trying to find the easier route, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:41 Exactly.

Joe Pyfer 19:42 Um, it's funny because a lot of people, uh, have said shit to me. And I'm like, "Listen, when I came back after I broke my arm, I was big before I broke my arm and then... But I was big in the wrong way. I was big in, like, a weightlifting way." Um-

Joe Rogan 19:56 When did you break your arm?

Joe Pyfer 20:01 2020 maybe.

Joe Rogan 20:02 And how'd you do it?

Joe Pyfer 20:03 Dustin Stoltzfus. I got Matt returned in a fucking Contender Series fight.

Joe Rogan 20:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 20:07 Dislocated and broke backwards.

Joe Rogan 20:09 And that's your right arm?

Joe Pyfer 20:09 That's my right arm.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Big scar.

Joe Pyfer 20:10 So I had one surgery. That's this scar. Uh, six months later, I joined my team, Marquez, where Sean's at, uh, and- and all the Philly guys. And then I had to six months again had to get another surgery and- another major surgery and-

Joe Rogan 20:22 Same injury? Just reinjured it?

Joe Pyfer 20:24 Yeah. So, uh, no. So I still had a torn forearm and I still- I had a whole bunch of bone growth behind. So I broke the radial head in half, uh, which is what you rotate. So I can rotate my hand, right, like this on my good arm, but I can't go any further than this because it's pinned. Uh-

Joe Rogan 20:37 To this day?

Joe Pyfer 20:37 ... I have screws in there. To this day, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Oh, wow.

Joe Pyfer 20:39 Um, and that's the straightest my arm goes. So-

Joe Rogan 20:42 Oh, wow.

Joe Pyfer 20:42 Yeah, so motherfuckers don't understand that this was... I h- I was given a 30% chance of being able to fight, you know, if I got the second surgery, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:51 30%?

Joe Pyfer 20:51 30%, uh, because of the nerve damage and not, like, having full functionality because there's a lot of nerves in there, um, especially where I got surgery and how much damage and inflammation and whatnot was in there. Um, so they had to cut the capsule and whatnot. So man, when I tell you, like, I'm gonna be hurting when I'm older, I'm gonna be hurting. I have pain every day and whatnot, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, I broke my arm in some bullshit fluke accident. Um, you know, I did get Matt returned. I should have let go of the head. I was gonna go for a guillotine.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 21:19 And then he lifted me. I didn't expect it, right? Post it out. Boom. Been that way a thousand times in practice.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Right.

Joe Pyfer 21:25 Never been hurt. And, uh, yeah, it ate me up, man. Ate me up. You know, they closed the ambulance doors and, you know, you don't get to say shit to Dana White. And all you get is a bunch of nerds that text you and say, "Hey, man, at least you got a couple million views. You're famous." And, you know, I lost sponsorships. I was depressed, suicidal, all that shit. And 20 years of my life, I think, at that point, um-

Joe Rogan 21:47 So you were really concerned that that was the end?

Joe Pyfer 21:49 Yeah, I mean, look, Joe, I started this at four and a half years old, you know. I don't- I don't know how much you know, um, but, you know, I started this at four and a half years old and I haven't seen another path and this was my A and there was no B. So if A didn't work, that was it.

Joe Rogan 22:02 So at four and a half you knew you wanted to fight?

Joe Pyfer 22:04 F- no, eight years old I knew I wanted to fight. Four and a half I started jujitsu. Five years old I did my first competition in Naga. Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, eight years old is... I started developing, like, a little bit of a confidence. I was so run down and abused that it- that was where my- my confidence started coming from, so... I never had a dream of the belt and I can say all these years, I've never had a dream of holding a belt, but I always had a dream of people chanting my name when I was walking out to a sold-out crowd. So that was always my dream and I always- I've always wanted that. And, uh, yeah, I mean, I was- I wasn't a kid that hung out with kids. You know, I was homeschooled and, um, yeah, there- it- there's a lot- there's a lot of detail to uncover in there. But, uh, but yeah, I mean, I've known I wanted to do this all my life. And (laughs) when I tell you there was no plan B, bro, there was no plan B, so-

Joe Rogan 22:50 When did you have your first MMA fight? How old were you?

Joe Pyfer 22:53 I was, uh, I think 20 years old. 20 years old. Uh, twen- yeah, 20 years old. Uh, actually, no, that's not true. Uh, yeah, it is true. 20 years old. I think it was 2017 was my first fight. Um, or 2016. One of those years.

Joe Rogan 23:07 And amateur or-

Joe Pyfer 23:09 Amateur.

Joe Rogan 23:10 ... did you just-

Joe Pyfer 23:10 So PA, I'm a PA boy at the time.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 23:12 Um, you have to have five amateurs before you could go pro.

Joe Rogan 23:14 Oh, really?

Joe Pyfer 23:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 That's the- the ru-

Joe Pyfer 23:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 ... interesting.

Joe Pyfer 23:16 That was the rule when I was fighting. Um, so you had to have five.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Is that still the rule?

Joe Pyfer 23:19 Uh, I'm not sure. I think it is. Um, you definitely have to have amateur experience to be considered to get your pro license.

Joe Rogan 23:24 What if you're, like, an amateur wrestler or something like that?

Joe Pyfer 23:27 I'm not sure.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Does that translate into it?

Joe Pyfer 23:28 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Interesting.

Joe Pyfer 23:29 I don't- I think it's just that- I think it's just the way that the PA commission was with Greg Sir back then.

Joe Rogan 23:34 It's not a bad idea.

Joe Pyfer 23:35 So I went four and one as an amateur. Um, and I felt so held back with the- the bullshit shin guards, not being able to punch somebody in the face on the ground.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Oh, that's how it is with amateurs?

Joe Pyfer 23:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:44 You can't punch in the face of-

Joe Pyfer 23:44 Can't punch in the face.

Joe Rogan 23:45 ... no elbowing in the ground?

Joe Pyfer 23:46 Can't elbow anyone in the face.

Joe Rogan 23:46 No?

Joe Pyfer 23:46 Nope. So I couldn't wait to turn pro, man. I- I- I- I felt so held back. And my kind of training, like I trained at Fight Factory, which was a gym that had Eddie Alvarez when he was 19 years old. I met Eddie before he even had his first fight.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Oh, wow.

Joe Pyfer 23:58 You know, so I've- when I say I know... A lot of these guys will say, "Oh, I know these people." I'm- I'm the OG in the gym as the young guy-

Joe Rogan 24:07 Hmm.

Joe Pyfer 24:07 ... because I've been around s- for so long. So that's why when these- these fucking clickbait turds come out and they say, "Oh, you know, he's fighting a guy with a lot of experience in Gerald Meerschaert. He's got the most submission wins." I'm like, "Motherfucker, you're not doing anything that I have never seen." Now, there's a difference between watching on the TV and saying, "Ah, he doesn't do anything special." And you get in there and you feel somebody's presence. You feel that energy. You feel their intention, you know? So I knew that motherfucker wasn't going to bang with me. I knew Abdul wasn't gonna bang with me. That's why as soon as I cracked on me, as soon as I let him feel me, like, "Yeah, motherfucker," like, "go ahead." And, uh, you know, he didn't get that... He didn't get to get going.... you know. I checked him immediately. Like, you're a powerhouse, you're an alpha? Well, so am I. Come take it, you know. So I fight with, um, a heavy heart in there. You know what I mean? You're trying to take my living from me, I'm still a poor kid. That's my mentality, you know what I mean? I'm nothing and I'm trying to be something, you know what I mean? So you better be ready to kill me, motherfuckers. Like, that's how... The same thing with this guy, Jack, man. Like, nice guy. You better be ready to die in there or I'm, (laughs) I'm coming for you. Like, I don't want no decisions. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:10 You talk about your abuse. Like, what, what exactly was the abuse?

Joe Pyfer 25:15 I don't want to give the short version, right? You know.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Okay.

Joe Pyfer 25:17 This is a moment right now that I get to recognize that I'm in front of somebody who has... You've heard so many stories, so many crazy things. And, you know, my story is definitely not up there with the crazy things, right? But my story, I'm unique. I'm one of one. So my story is, um, you know, I started out, uh... The abuse started when I was a year old. Um, my parents both blame each other. You know, child services in and out of our, our lives. I'm one of five kids. I got four sisters, two older, two younger. And, uh, I, yeah, I started getting beat as a, as a one-year-old, um, from what I was told is because I had shit myself, right? That's what kids, infants do. And, uh, so that's when it started. And, um-

Joe Rogan 25:54 Why you got beat for going to the bathroom?

Joe Pyfer 25:57 Shitting my diaper, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:59 Phew.

Joe Pyfer 25:59 Uh, the story is, I shit my diaper, reached into my diaper, wiped on the walls, and then I got beat for it. Um, neither parent owns up to it, but both parents-

Joe Rogan 26:07 Phew.

Joe Pyfer 26:07 ... have blamed each other, um, just because of the physical, physical abuse on, on my father's side, 100% has to be him. Um, my mom was not physically aggressive by nature, you know what I mean? She, she definitely whipped my ass, you know, uh, a good amount, but it was never with the mean intentions, uh, you know, comparable to my father. It was more verbal on her end. But, uh, but yeah, so it started then. And bro, since the time I've had memory, I remember getting my head stomped, getting beat, getting screamed at, slapped, like, humiliated, just run down, told, "You're never gonna be anything." And, uh, you know, my sisters received... unfortunately received the, uh, the same treatment. And, uh, yeah, so I mean, abuse has been something, and toxic, and I mean toxic. Like, when I wanna say, like, breaking somebody down, I didn't have an ounce of self-esteem. I was my dad's puppet. I didn't know no life being homeschooled. You do school, right? That...

Joe Rogan 27:02 Is he still around?

Joe Pyfer 27:03 Still living, yeah. Still living. Um, I'm not sure where. I've parted ways with him, and, uh, I don't want to talk to him. Next time I see him is probably, you know-

Joe Rogan 27:13 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 27:14 ... when it's done. And, uh, I don't hate him, you know what I mean? I don't hate him, but, uh, I despise him as a human being as far as, you know, what he's given back to the world and, and the kind of person that he's accepted to be. Um, but yeah, I mean, yeah, he's still around. I just don't know where, and I don't really care where. So, uh, I know my mom still lives at the house that I grew up in, and...

Joe Rogan 27:34 It's so hard to believe that some people are capable of becoming what they become, you know, and to do that to their child. It's so-

Joe Pyfer 27:43 You know what's fucked up about it the most, is that it was almost better for me to have never known him than to know him and see how it went, and lose him. You know what I mean? Because I loved that man as a child. That was my idol. Nobody could beat him in the gym. Like, that was... That's what I thought. And I never thought he was a liar, you know, and then right around 15 years old, and I definitely think I was behind, you know what I mean? Socially. Um, just because of being homeschooled. So my dad wound up getting Social Security Disability, and he was a stay-at-home dad, you know what I mean? Collecting SSD and fucking doing nothing but beating his kids and screaming and sitting, basically just being, uh, you know, a child abuser to, to all of us, you know. And, and (clears throat) , never once has he ever taken accountability for the wrongs that he's done. Um, and if he's tried to finagle it, it's been to be like, "Hey, you were a bad kid."

Joe Rogan 28:38 No.

Joe Pyfer 28:38 It's like, "Yo, I wa- I wanna know, I wanna know how I was a bad kid." I didn't steal. Sure, I lied as a kid out of fear because I was afraid to get my head stomped or get beat like a man, you know. I didn't get... I didn't get a traditional ass whooping, Joe. (laughs) Like, neither did my sisters either. They got picked up by their necks, picked up by their hair, strangled, um-

Joe Rogan 28:55 Wow.

Joe Pyfer 28:55 ... you know. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 28:57 Mm.

Joe Pyfer 28:58 There's, there's many, there's many stories, you know. And as you know, we have a documentary, right?

Joe Rogan 29:03 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 29:03 And, um, I refrained from putting the details of specific stories because the, the documentary is not about, "Woe is me. Poor me." It's about, A, I never, through all of this, gave up on the dream to get to the UFC. Even when I broke my arm and I thought I was doing... I did everything right. I didn't go out and party. I didn't go out and do drugs. I've never, I've never smoked weed. I've never done... And I'm not saying weed's a drug, but I've never smoked weed. I've never smoked a cigarette. I've never take... popped a pill. I've never done anything. I didn't go out to strip clubs. I didn't go out and bring girls home from the bar. That's never been me. So yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 29:43 You were just always focused.

Joe Pyfer 29:45 I was, I was obsessed with this. I was obsessed with this. And I was obsessed with this because I knew if I couldn't do this, I would have checked out. And that's, that's what made me, you know... That's what made me, like, "Keep going, motherfucker, keep going, keep going, keep going." And I just kept beating down the door of people, like my coach that, you know, has come with me. I've known that man since I was 10 years old, you know. And he's seen me, where? In the gym. And then nothing's changed. He could tell you that from... You know, the only thing that's changed is my maturity, the way I look at life, perspective. But, uh, yeah, man, I mean, it was a, it was a rough background, and it only got worse as I got older.

Joe Rogan 30:19 It's a horrible thing to hear. You know, as a parent, it's, it's terrifying to think that a parent... another parent could do that to their child. But we all know it's true. And we all know that it can do one of two things to someone. It could just ruin your life or it can give you this unstoppable fuel. And that's what it seems to have done with you. I would never wish that on anybody. But I often see people like you that are so fucking driven and so angry in there and so effective because of that, like, so dangerous because of that. I always... I'm often wonder, like, is it even possible?... to make a guy like you without that?

Joe Pyfer 30:57 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 30:57 I look at, like, Mike Tyson, same thing.

Joe Pyfer 30:59 I don't think so and I ... But I think that's where I have my appreciation for him, you know. I'll never discredit him. I would not be in the sport if it wasn't for him. He was the one that went to the gym. He's the one that introduced me and I will give respect where it's due, right? And that's the respect he deserves.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Was he a fighter?

Joe Pyfer 31:14 Uh, he ... So, he grew up in Kensington, Philadelphia. I don't know how well you know Philadelphia, shit hole. Um, bad parents. Mom apparently was, you know, borderline, I don't know if she was a prostitute or whatever, but he was homeless from fou- he was passed home to home. He was always passed back and forth to his parents so, he lived a much rougher life than me. Um, and, uh, you know, he got jumped all the time. Um, back then it was, you know, very segregated type, you know, you don't come into this part of Philly and you don't cross this part of Philly and so he would get jumped all the time. I think he was like a, a timid like skinny, nerdy, malnutritioned-

Joe Rogan 31:48 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 31:49 ... uh, child growing up, so. I know his dad, my grand- my grandpop, um, who I've met a handful of times, uh, was in the Vietnam War, but then when he came back, apparently my dad's story is that he used to sell drugs all the time and-

Joe Rogan 32:02 (sighs)

Joe Pyfer 32:02 ... was always high, and like, like that's, that's the story he painted to us. So i- in my eyes like we never knew him really other than a handful of times we met him because they were bad people and he despised them and he wa- he always held like the craziest anger towards his family, like they all blackballed him. He was the black sheep. So yeah, I mean, he grew up rough too, but, uh ... Yeah, I mean, (smacks lips) he, um, he boxed apparently for a long time, you know. He used to tell everybody he was 115 and four, you can't fucking find the guy's records anywhere. 100% bullshit, dude's a fucking storyteller, but um, he could box, you know what I mean? Even if he didn't fight, he could box. He would do well against guys that were pro boxers or fi- guys that were in the gym. My dad was a, a tough dude, he was good, um, but, uh, you know, definitely always lied for his convenience, for his story and, uh, yeah, as he was learning jujitsu with a guy named Steve Hoeg who wound up owning Fight Factory, who taught me jujitsu, um, alongside with my dad but that's how I got into it, so ... I owe him a thanks for the tools that he gave me for the house I have gone to build.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Mm.

Joe Pyfer 33:07 That's how I see it, you know what I mean? I don't think he ever intended to give me these tools and me go and fucking build a house with it and I think he despises me for it. I mean, he's one of the guys when our broke bar I'm sending message, "Face down, ass up, just how you like it." You'll never ... I told you-

Joe Rogan 33:20 He sent you that?

Joe Pyfer 33:20 (laughs) Oh, yeah. Bro, he's sent a lot of shit, man. He has sent a lot of shit.

Joe Rogan 33:24 That's my dad sending me.

Joe Pyfer 33:24 And don't get me wrong, I've sent a lot of shit back like we've, we've argued, you know what I mean? He c- he brings that special rage where I w- I would like lose my life or his life over it, you know what I mean? Like I have to separate myself from him, um ...

Joe Rogan 33:36 Jesus Christ.

Joe Pyfer 33:37 So yeah, I mean, but yeah, th- just there's no holds bar when it comes to that guy. The way he manipulates, the way he lies, the way he has basically hurt every single person. He has, he has no tr- he has no long-lasting friendships in his life. There's a reason for that, you know?

Joe Rogan 33:52 Yeah. That's horrible.

Joe Pyfer 33:53 Yeah, so not a good human being but-

Joe Rogan 33:55 It's not, not good but again, I mean, I hate to say it but in your line of work, it's like a superpower.

Joe Pyfer 34:01 (clicks tongue) It is a superpower, you know what I mean? I got, I got that dark devil with me when I need him and, uh, I don't mind it, you know what I mean? I- I- I can be a sweetheart, I could be a good person. I'm a giving person, I give a lot back in the dark to my, to my teammates, you know? Uh, one of the kids is Jose Soto who, uh, just by the way, got surgery today, hope you're doing well. Um, I think he's gonna, like he's got one eye, like visib- like visibility, and he's one of the toughest guys I've ever sparred and he's a amateur and-

Joe Rogan 34:29 How is it that ... I wanted to ask you about this like, you know, uh, Shahar Bullitt has one eye?

Joe Pyfer 34:34 Yeah. That's why I'm saying it because I'm telling you right now this kid will whoop that dude.

Joe Rogan 34:38 How is Shahar Bullitt able to fight? I mean, how do you pass athletic commission standards?

Joe Pyfer 34:42 So I- I don't know. So I think that from what I've heard depen- it's, it's I think it depends on the commission and where you're fighting. Um, in PA I know he has to have I think and I may be wrong, so somebody don't roast me for it, but I think you have to have I think it's called a 22, 20/200. You have to... It's like s- has to be some type of visibility.

Joe Rogan 35:01 So you have to be able to see objects or light movements?

Joe Pyfer 35:03 Yeah, an object, shapes, something. You have to be able to at least identify something outta that eye.

Joe Rogan 35:08 Right.

Joe Pyfer 35:09 And, uh, yeah, I mean, I think-

Joe Rogan 35:11 That is the craziest way to fight when you already have lost one eye.

Joe Pyfer 35:15 Bro, he's bigger than me. The kid I'm talking about-

Joe Rogan 35:17 Wow.

Joe Pyfer 35:17 ... is bigger than me. He's bigger, he's bigger ... He's like 225 right now and he's in shape, abs cut. I'm telling you, li- I ca- I can't wait for this kid's future, um. But, uh, but I, but I train what I l- but my point is, is like I give back to a lot of, you know, I try to give back to a lot of my teammates.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 35:33 Um, because I didn't, I didn't let the things that hardened me and made me upset become a piece of shit. I don't think I'm a piece of shit. I think I'm a good person. You know, I don't think I'm the best person, I'm not the nicest guy, um, by a long shot, right? But I- I think it's ... this world is about what you get, you give back a- uh, you know, how you can. If you're not giving back in some way with success that you have, then I think you're a piece of shit. I don't care if you're a billionaire, you know? If, if you're not giving back and you're not trying to help the younger generation-

Joe Rogan 36:01 Right.

Joe Pyfer 36:01 ... that's already so fucked up.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Especially the people around you.

Joe Pyfer 36:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:04 Especially your tribe.

Joe Pyfer 36:05 Yeah, I mean ...

Joe Rogan 36:06 I couldn't agree more. Um, the, the, the one eye thing, man. Just it's just still really freaks me out like shout out to Michael Bisping.

Joe Pyfer 36:13 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 36:13 One of the fucking toughest dudes-

Joe Pyfer 36:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:16 ... to ever do it. That guy is-

Joe Pyfer 36:17 And he did it in the dark.

Joe Rogan 36:18 He scammed systems, he scammed the athletic commissions for 10 fights.

Joe Pyfer 36:23 Mm.

Joe Rogan 36:23 For 10 fights that dude fought with one eye.

Joe Pyfer 36:25 But then look at the other-

Joe Rogan 36:25 And won the title.

Joe Pyfer 36:26 Look at the other part of it, right? Like if he goes out there and he's getting smoked and he's not competitive, like sure, pull his card and say, "Hey, you can't do this." But then you're gonna tell somebody that they can't, they can't do what they've trained their whole life for-

Joe Rogan 36:37 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 36:38 ... because of something like that? Like co- that's not fair too, you know what I mean? Like ...

Joe Rogan 36:41 Right. Well, you look at Shahar Bullitt, I mean obviously ... I mean, depth perception is the first thing that goes when you lose one eye.

Joe Pyfer 36:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:46 It, it's a ... It helps but Shahar Bullitt is like one of the most accurate and precision strikers. I mean, he's, he's got some flaws in his game, his take down defense terrible.

Joe Pyfer 36:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:55 He's gotta like learn how to wrestle which is-

Joe Pyfer 36:57 That man did not know how to get off his back.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Which is crazy, he's from Dagestan.

Joe Pyfer 37:01 From a guy that's not a wrestler.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Right.Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem.

Joe Pyfer 37:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:05 But also, him on his, the feet's a fucking problem too.

Joe Pyfer 37:07 Oh, man. Guy that kicks that much?

Joe Rogan 37:09 (exhales)

Joe Pyfer 37:09 I don't wanna fight that guy. That dude's annoying.

Joe Rogan 37:11 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 37:12 I- I ... It's not even, it's like, I hate that kinda style. (laughs) That shit irri-

Joe Rogan 37:16 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 37:16 Like Jack's style irritates the fuck outta me.

Joe Rogan 37:18 Jack de la Manda-linge?

Joe Pyfer 37:19 No. Jack, uh, Hermansson going fighting.

Joe Rogan 37:21 Hermansson. Oh, right, right, right.

Joe Pyfer 37:21 Dude's annoying as shit. I hate his style. Fucking bounces around and like he's just a awkward, weird, like weird shit.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 37:28 Um, Kamar Bullard's not weird but you know he's so-

Joe Rogan 37:31 Yes.

Joe Pyfer 37:31 ... he's so fast and kicks and, man, I wanna bang, not kick, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:35 Hermansson and you is when? When is that?

Joe Pyfer 37:37 Uh, February 10th.

Joe Rogan 37:38 Nice.

Joe Pyfer 37:38 Yeah, so like 25 days or some shit like that, but-

Joe Rogan 37:41 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 37:41 ... not too far out. I'm down- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:43 That's, that's a very good fight for you.

Joe Pyfer 37:44 It's a very good fight for me.

Joe Rogan 37:45 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 37:45 I think, uh, I think a lot of people will try to pull this experience bullshit again. And, uh, he's definitely my toughest fight on paper and I think he will be my toughest test. But, uh, one thing's for sure, he better not let me get that one, 'cause I got that one, so. Um, he's a dog, he's tough but I think we know what w- what his style is if you look at Jack. It's like you gotta get the take down, brother.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 38:07 Because if stand and bang with me I'm gonna put you down.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 38:10 You know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not playing for decisions and uh, you know, shit it might come back to bite me, right? It might say it all confident. I might lose, might happen, but I just don't think that that's ... I don't think that's the next chapter for me and uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 There it is.

Joe Pyfer 38:25 Yeah, he got-

Joe Rogan 38:26 So this is the fight night at the-

Joe Pyfer 38:27 I'm a-

Joe Rogan 38:27 ... Ugly motherfucker on TV, man. No, you look great.

Joe Pyfer 38:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:30 That's nonsense. The- the fucking Apex is the greatest place ever to see fights.

Joe Pyfer 38:33 I like it. Everybody's complaining that I keep fighting there but I like it man. I- I like hearing my shots.

Joe Rogan 38:38 Mm.

Joe Pyfer 38:38 I like hearing that (clears throat) .

Joe Rogan 38:39 Yeah. You hear everything.

Joe Pyfer 38:39 Like I wanna hear it. And I wanna s- I wanna, I wanna hear him grunt when I hit him, I wanna hear him wince, like I wanna see it like-

Joe Rogan 38:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 38:45 I don't have any outside noise blocking that.

Joe Rogan 38:47 But you can hear your coach, you can hear your corner.

Joe Pyfer 38:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:50 You can hear everything.

Joe Pyfer 38:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:50 It's the, to me the m- the like when we were doing the, uh, COVID fights, when we were doing a lot of the fights from the Apex Center, including like world title fights, like Francis Ngannou when he beat Stipe, there was no crowd.

Joe Pyfer 39:02 Mm.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Which was so crazy but for me as a, a commentator and as an audience member I was like, "God, how lucky am I that I'm here for this. That this is like ... You know the whole world's fucking shut down and I'm, I get to be cageside for this with nobody else here."

Joe Pyfer 39:19 It was a fortunate time, man. It was a, it was a fortunate time to I think like be in your position like you're saying, right? You know being able to be there.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Yes.

Joe Pyfer 39:25 You've been around for so long though man like you earned that right? I mean and you're, you're a part of the UFC in a big, big way, you're not just a commentator you know what I mean? So you being a part of that is also historic too you know but being able to see it with a guy like that in person, I ... That's why I was upset when Jon Jones, man, I was gonna go to that fight.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 39:44 Oh, man, 'cause he's on his way out. Uh, I love Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 39:47 I love Jon Jones too.

Joe Pyfer 39:48 That dude is ... I hate when everybody, everybody so much side steps him 'cause of the-

Joe Rogan 39:52 I know. The whole-

Joe Pyfer 39:53 When he tore that pec muscle I was so bummed out. God damn I wanted to see him versus Stipe.

Joe Rogan 40:00 There's still hope maybe.

Joe Pyfer 40:01 Yeah, maybe. I mean it seems-

Joe Rogan 40:03 Maybe late summer.

Joe Pyfer 40:04 It seems like that's what they wanna do. It seems like that's the fight that they wanna do.

Joe Rogan 40:08 But he keeps vocalizing to, uh-

Joe Pyfer 40:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:10 ... to Tom Aspinall you know what I mean? And I feel like he already wrote like w- which we all kind of assumed but I think he'll have that fight with Stipe if Stipe's still hanging around.

Joe Pyfer 40:18 Mm-hmm. Um, and then you know kinda run off, run off into...

Joe Rogan 40:22 Maybe or they'll, maybe he'll do Aspinall, depending upon, I mean-

Joe Pyfer 40:25 I don't think he has any interest to be honest.

Joe Rogan 40:27 You don't think so?

Joe Pyfer 40:27 No.

Joe Rogan 40:28 Why not man? Look ju-

Narrator 40:30 Did he have surgery?

Joe Rogan 40:30 What?

Narrator 40:30 Uh, elbo- elbow surgery also?

Joe Rogan 40:32 When did he have this?

Narrator 40:33 He said bec- while he was having pec surgery because he had to recover for so long he went ahead and got his elbow done too.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Was this recently?

Narrator 40:39 Yeah like I was, I this, I thought this was the video but this was like 11 weeks-

Joe Pyfer 40:42 Wasn't this the day, this was the day out, uh, right after or a couple of days out after it happened I think, that video.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Oh, okay.

Narrator 40:49 Yeah, I'll, uh, I'll find it 'cause it wasn't-

Joe Rogan 40:50 This is not recent though, that punching thing is not recent.

Narrator 40:52 Correct. Yeah, yeah this is like two weeks ago, a week ago. I thought it was on his Instagram account but I'll look it up real quick, hold on.

Joe Rogan 40:58 The, the, the thing is like Jon is what 36 now? Is that how old he is?

Joe Pyfer 41:03 No I think he's e- ah he's not th- I thought he was 38. I don't know. I wonder, I wonder-

Joe Rogan 41:09 How old was Jon?

Narrator 41:11 30 s- oh I just had it right here but here so a week ago he had elbow surgery to shave off bone spurs.

Joe Pyfer 41:16 36. Yeah, 36.

Joe Rogan 41:17 I thought he was a little bit older than that.

Joe Pyfer 41:18 Yeah. When you start getting surgeries, when shit starts falling off-

Joe Rogan 41:22 Bro that's me now.

Joe Pyfer 41:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:24 I've, I have (laughs) . Well that one injury for sure. (laughs) It's- Jon Jones had to have surgery to shave bone spurs in his left elbow. Mm.

Joe Pyfer 41:30 So exactly that right so what I just told you about my pain in my elbow.

Joe Rogan 41:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 41:35 I have like six or seven of those in my elbow.

Joe Rogan 41:38 Mm.

Joe Pyfer 41:38 Right now so imagine and that's where all the nerves are.

Joe Rogan 41:41 And they're just floating around. Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 41:42 Yeah (laughs) so man some days I gotta, I'm in pain-

Joe Rogan 41:45 And they can't go in there and scoop those out?

Joe Pyfer 41:47 Not before this fight.

Joe Rogan 41:48 Oh. After the fight you think?

Joe Pyfer 41:50 I'm definitely gonna mention it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:52 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 41:53 I'm definitely gonna mention it.

Joe Rogan 41:54 Have you done any stem cells or anything for that?

Joe Pyfer 41:55 Uh, not ... So I had a torn, uh, labrum and I got some stem cells to try and fix that-

Joe Rogan 42:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 42:01 ... um, and then honestly it really agitated it where you know and then the fight got announced and everything so this, this fight is sooner than I wanted it to be, uh, in a way but you don't say no to something like this like this, this is a good fight for me um when I say good fight I think that this is a fight that I'm very capable of winning at this point in time with the trajectory I'm on, with all the, you know people call it hype but I fucking earned it.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 42:30 This isn't hype this is called I paid my dues and I was out for a year and eight fucking months and made a comeback, made my comeback fight with a broken left hand, still knocked that dude out which was Derek Brunson's wrestling coach. Uh, came back, knocked down another guy, you know what I mean? So I've been there-

Joe Rogan 42:44 You had a broken left hand going into that fight?

Joe Pyfer 42:46 I had a ... My, I s- I broke my left ha- my left thumb in half like right where the joint is and I still went in there and I remember my coach was like, "Yo we gotta bite down, we just gotta do this man, like you do this, you're going back to the UFC." And I rem- it was the first time I ever worked with my, my head coach John Marquez um-And, uh-

Joe Rogan 43:05 How far out did you break your thumb from the fight?

Joe Pyfer 43:07 Uh, I think it was nine days.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Oh, God.

Joe Pyfer 43:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Damn. (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Joe Pyfer 43:11 So, bro, when they grabbed my hand, like the commission grab... Like the medical tent-

Joe Rogan 43:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 43:16 ... and they grabbed my hand, I was like, "Ugh." (laughs) But I wound up getting it. I took an XL, uh, glove, or double-XL glove because, you know, my hands aren't that big, but I... Bro, it was terrible. It was terrible fun.

Joe Rogan 43:28 Did you find a way to tape it in some way?

Joe Pyfer 43:30 Yeah. I mean, we still taped it up like it was a fight, right? So I still had tons of pain, but the pressure stopped me from feeling like it was, like, floating around.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 43:38 So, uh... And I actually threw it, like, maybe three, four times in that fight-

Joe Rogan 43:42 (exhales)

Joe Pyfer 43:42 ... just out of, like, habit.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Right.

Joe Pyfer 43:43 And, uh... But yeah, I mean, first fight back here in eight months, break your, break her left hand. I have the X-ray for it. Um, and then, uh, you know, let alone the nerves I had to come back, I'd never thrown my right hand in a real fight and, uh... Man, it wa- it was awful. And then three weeks later I was playing basketball, I love playing basketball, and fuck it, broke my ankle and the UFC calls and says, "Hey, you wanna fight on the Contender Series?" So when I say I've had injury after injury. And it gets, it gets... Keeps going.

Joe Rogan 44:12 What do... Do you think, like, maybe I shouldn't play basketball? Maybe I shouldn't do stuff outside-

Joe Pyfer 44:16 That's why I don't play none. Yeah, so... But you know... So yeah. You know, but here's the thing. I don't... I- my, my theory on life, it could be wrong, I don't wanna... I don't wanna cheat myself along the way to do the things that I still love, you know? Like, and, and if I have to stop... If I have to live so fucking careful, I'm gonna develop that habit to live like a fucking hermit crab.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Right.

Joe Pyfer 44:38 And I... That's not me, man. I get on a motorcycle, I'm going 205 fucking miles an hour.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Oh, Joe-

Joe Pyfer 44:42 Bro. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:43 Don't do that.

Joe Pyfer 44:43 But that's...

Joe Rogan 44:44 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 44:44 But that's me, bro. That's just... That's...

Joe Rogan 44:46 I know, but-

Joe Pyfer 44:46 I'm a thrill seeker.

Joe Rogan 44:47 You remember Diego Corrales?

Joe Pyfer 44:49 No, I don't, I don't re- I don't... No.

Joe Rogan 44:51 Follow boxing?

Joe Pyfer 44:52 No.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Diego Corrales was like... He was involved in-

Joe Pyfer 44:54 So the guy that's a paraplegic?

Joe Rogan 44:56 No, he's dead now.

Joe Pyfer 44:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:57 He died in a motorcycle accident.

Joe Pyfer 44:58 Oh. Good job, Joe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:00 He was a, uh... He was a big boxer. He's famous for the one fight. Was it Jose Luis Castillo? Is that what it was? He had this fight with Jose Luis Castillo. It was like one of the greatest displays of guts because he was out, man. I mean, he was out. He was battered. His eyes are swollen. Watch this fight.

Joe Pyfer 45:18 He's the guy in red?

Joe Rogan 45:19 So Diego, Diego Corrales is in the white with the red stripes.

Joe Pyfer 45:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:21 And Jose Luis Castillo, who's also a very tough guy is the guy in the red. And he, he rocks him and he hurts him. I mean, Corrales looks like he's done. I mean, he looks like he's done. He gets hit with a perfect left hook. He gets dropped and he gets up. I mean, this is like a, a Arturo Gatti type performance. Like... I mean, it was one of those fights where you're just like, "My God." He gets up. I mean, he is fucked. He's fucked. And Castillo catches him again. I mean, it looks like the fight's over. Some, some referees maybe even would stop it right there, you know? I mean, some referees, you see you go down again like that, they're waving that off, right? Yeah, yeah. A lot of referees. And then I would say good call, good stoppage. Yeah. The guy's done, right? Yeah. Watch this. I mean, Corrales' left eye's completely swollen shut, can't see shit. Gets dropped twice. Looks like he could barely stand. He's talking to the referee. He's like, "Don't stop this. Don't stop this. I'm good." S- he puts his mouthpiece back in. They're giving him some time here, which is nice. Gets back out in there. I mean, he's, he's still fucked, right?

Joe Pyfer 46:42 Yeah. Yeah, you're not recovered.

Joe Rogan 46:44 He looks bad.

Joe Pyfer 46:44 His legs, his legs don't look-

Joe Rogan 46:46 And Castillo's a very big puncher. Yeah, he looks like he's with it. And he gets clipped again. I mean, this is a... This is like an all-time classic performance.

Joe Pyfer 47:04 Oh, he's got him.

Joe Rogan 47:05 I mean, this is really like Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti.

Joe Pyfer 47:09 Castillo punched himself there.

Joe Rogan 47:10 And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden he comes back. I mean, this was like from the verge of defeat and he catches him with a left hook.

Joe Pyfer 47:26 Yeah, I mean, Castillo's done. Should see the look on his face, the doubt.

Joe Rogan 47:30 But it's crazy if you think about how done Corrales was and then the referee stops it right there.

Joe Pyfer 47:34 Yeah, he stops.

Joe Rogan 47:36 I mean, crazy, crazy, crazy comeback. Well, Diego was a wild fella and-

Joe Pyfer 47:42 Yeah, it's crazy how-

Joe Rogan 47:42 ... uh, he died on a motorcycle, so-

Joe Pyfer 47:44 Hmm. Yeah, so I've-

Joe Rogan 47:46 Please, Joe.

Joe Pyfer 47:46 I've heard some... So many, so many bad stories. Um, but like you won't... You don't get into a car and... I'm gonna give you my, my-

Joe Rogan 47:54 Okay.

Joe Pyfer 47:54 ... my, my thought, right? You won't get into your car, you know the car we talked about, the Camaro.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 48:00 You won't get in that and be like, "Man, I could die driving this." Now, you know the dangers of it.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 48:05 You know how fast it is and whatnot, but you'll never... You'll never... Like I won't... I could die going in this cage.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Right.

Joe Pyfer 48:11 I could get kicked... I could have one eye. I could be paraplegic. I could have my face broken, you know, and...

Joe Rogan 48:17 I get it.

Joe Pyfer 48:17 You know what I mean? So I just... I don't do things thinking that I'm gonna fail. It's just... It's not in my brain. Like I, I won't... I don't know, I just won't do that because I-

Joe Rogan 48:26 I'm not worried about you.

Joe Pyfer 48:27 I'll get scared.

Joe Rogan 48:27 I'm worried about the variabilities of the other people on the road.

Joe Pyfer 48:29 The people I can't control.

Joe Rogan 48:30 Texting and driving-

Joe Pyfer 48:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:32 ... and drunk and all that nonsense.

Joe Pyfer 48:34 Well, if it makes you feel better, I don't have one right now.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Good. Nice.

Joe Pyfer 48:36 And, uh, I got rid of it, so... (laughs) I live at, I live in a condo, so I got rid of it because I was gonna put it in the house and I was like, "Oh, my landlord wouldn't like that." So I was like...

Joe Rogan 48:45 You were gonna ride the bike right into the house?

Joe Pyfer 48:46 I was gonna sit in it in the living room.

Joe Rogan 48:48 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 48:49 (laughs) But I di- I didn't do it, so I got rid of it.

Joe Rogan 48:52 What? (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 48:52 Yeah, but, uh... Yeah, I'm a, I'm a thrill seeker, man. I love cars. Uh-

Joe Rogan 48:55 Well, you tell me about your Evo.

Joe Pyfer 48:57 Yeah, I got that Evo 8, baby. Wide body.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Yeah?

Joe Pyfer 49:00 Yeah. Big turbo.

Joe Rogan 49:01 You got a picture of it?

Joe Pyfer 49:02 Yeah, I do. Dude, it's, it's nice.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Send it to Jamie.

Joe Pyfer 49:04 It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 49:05 You can Get an Air Drop to him. Th- that's a fucking great car.

Joe Pyfer 49:07 Yeah. All right, cool, 'cause I got my tags on the back.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Those are great cars. So you built that, right?

Joe Pyfer 49:11 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we have a... It had a 4G64 and now it's... I'm going, uh, uh, 4G63. So, um...... I'll send you two pictures so that way you can see the front and the back.

Joe Rogan 49:22 For people who don't know, explain what that car is.

Joe Pyfer 49:25 So, that car is an all-wheel drive 2006 Mitsubishi Evo. Um-

Joe Rogan 49:30 It's a wild little car, man. Super light. Crazy handling.

Joe Pyfer 49:35 Did I not save your number, Jamie? I'm gonna send it to you, Joe.

Narrator 49:38 I can AirDrop it.

Joe Rogan 49:38 Okay. S- send it to me.

Narrator 49:39 See if you can AirDrop.

Joe Pyfer 49:40 Oh. Does the AirDrop work? Can you see Jamie on the AirDrop?

Narrator 49:42 All right, let me see. Yeah. One second. I'm looking through your Instagram too. You had other awesome cars on there, but not the Evo.

Joe Pyfer 49:49 Jamie, serious. MacBook Pro?

Narrator 49:51 Yep.

Joe Pyfer 49:52 Cool.

Narrator 49:54 Got it.

Joe Pyfer 49:56 Got it?

Narrator 49:58 Save.

Joe Pyfer 49:58 Yeah, so my ... That's been my therapy, right. So, I've always wanted to be in the cars. My neighbor, when I was young, um, you know, th- uh, his name was Henry Papiano, good dude. Like, honestly, he ... I love him, because we don't talk all the time, and I haven't talked to him in years. But yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:15 There it is.

Joe Pyfer 50:15 That's my baby, man.

Joe Rogan 50:16 That's a wild little car, dude.

Joe Pyfer 50:18 So, it was built. The body and the paint, that's an actual P1 McLaren paint job.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Oh, wow.

Joe Pyfer 50:22 It's the real actual paint of it. Um, and obviously, it's got the Voltex on there, the wheels. So, I bought the car built as is with a 4G64 in it, but now it has a 4G63, um, that's fully built.

Joe Rogan 50:32 How many horsepower does that thing have?

Joe Pyfer 50:33 Uh, that setup was the 4G64 block, so that made, uh ... Estimated from what I was told from who I bought it from, uh, that it made 808.

Joe Rogan 50:42 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 50:43 Yeah. It's got a full roll cage.

Joe Rogan 50:45 (laughs) That's so crazy.

Joe Pyfer 50:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 That car's gotta weigh 2,000 pounds.

Joe Pyfer 50:47 Now, man, let me tell you. So-

Joe Rogan 50:49 What does it weigh?

Joe Pyfer 50:49 It- it's like 4 ... It's like almost 4,000 pounds.

Joe Rogan 50:52 Really? It's that heavy?

Joe Pyfer 50:53 Yeah, I think it's 3,800 to 4,100 pounds, something like that. Dude, that is ... Yeah. You like my tag?

Joe Rogan 51:01 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 51:01 For body bags. We got JP Bags, baby.

Joe Rogan 51:03 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 51:03 Um, so cars, man, I'll- I'll smile all day. I could be around cars all day. It's definitely something that's like a therapy for me. It's how I found like ... I don't know, man. I love it. I love it.

Joe Rogan 51:13 808 horsepower is nuts.

Joe Pyfer 51:15 It's the most agile car. So I've driven the Lamborghini Aventador, which was the dream car of mine. Thanks to Royalty Exotics in Vegas. They always hook me up every fight. Um, yeah. Man, this is going down memory lane.

Narrator 51:28 Yeah. I was trying to find your car. I figured you would have it.

Joe Rogan 51:30 That's a wild car, man.

Joe Pyfer 51:31 Yeah.

Narrator 51:32 There you go.

Joe Pyfer 51:32 Yeah, I had a ... That was the first Corvette I ever bought, it was a C5 Z06.

Joe Rogan 51:36 Oh.

Joe Pyfer 51:36 Stock as hell.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Oh, those are fun cars though.

Joe Pyfer 51:38 It was a turd, but-

Joe Rogan 51:39 They're fun though.

Joe Pyfer 51:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:41 They're kind of plasticky.

Joe Pyfer 51:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:43 Yeah. The interior sucks.

Joe Pyfer 51:43 But you know what? I have to say, my dream car was a C6 Z06. I wound up getting one. Um, and then I didn't like the interior compared to that one.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Right.

Joe Pyfer 51:52 'Cause I liked the leather. I liked the old look.

Joe Rogan 51:53 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 51:54 I don't like the plastic look of a lot of modern cars.

Narrator 51:56 Cheap. Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 51:57 But, uh ...

Joe Rogan 51:57 Well, Corvette nailed it with the new interior. The new interior is perfect.

Joe Pyfer 52:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:00 The new interior is amazing.

Joe Pyfer 52:00 So the new interior is cool, but I hate the C8 look, because they took away from the traditional long snout, you know, rear wheel drive. Like, now it's a mid-engine, short snout.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Right.

Joe Pyfer 52:10 Like, I- I'm not a fan of it, and I can't fit in it very well.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Right. That makes sense.

Joe Pyfer 52:14 So I don't like it. That's why I'll never buy a Lamborghini, I'll never buy a Ferrari, I won't buy a Porsche.

Joe Rogan 52:19 Because you just don't fit in them.

Joe Pyfer 52:20 I don't fit in it, and I don't like ... I think Porsche is ugly. But that's just me.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Really?

Joe Pyfer 52:22 Yeah.

Narrator 52:23 How dare you?

Joe Rogan 52:23 How could you?

Joe Pyfer 52:23 I know. Yo, I will say driving a GT3 is amazing though.

Narrator 52:27 How dare?

Joe Pyfer 52:27 But the Evo, man, I've never driven a car that fun in my life.

Joe Rogan 52:31 It's wild what you can do with some of those Japanese cars, like with some of the things that people do to GT-Rs.

Joe Pyfer 52:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Like, they have GT-Rs that are like 2,000 horsepower.

Joe Pyfer 52:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:38 Which is insane.

Joe Pyfer 52:39 It's Godzillas.

Joe Rogan 52:40 Fucking insane.

Joe Pyfer 52:42 Yeah.

Narrator 52:42 Have you ever been to a dragstrip?

Joe Rogan 52:44 Yes.

Narrator 52:44 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 52:45 Yes.

Narrator 52:45 You've raced?

Joe Rogan 52:45 No, I've never- never driven a car on a dragstrip, but I've been-

Joe Pyfer 52:48 Now, would you?

Joe Rogan 52:49 No, I'm not interested in doing that.

Joe Pyfer 52:50 No?

Joe Rogan 52:50 I've seen too many of them go like this, "Whee." Bang.

Narrator 52:53 Like float up in the air?

Joe Rogan 52:54 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 52:54 Oh, man. Yeah. That's, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:55 That's scary.

Joe Pyfer 52:56 I think you're making a little bit more than 1,000 horsepower though doing that.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Oh, to go up in the air like that?

Joe Pyfer 53:02 Yeah.

Narrator 53:02 Yeah, probably.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Yeah. I mean, they probably got no weight in that thing.

Joe Pyfer 53:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:05 Like, you know what I mean? I'm not gutting a car. I don't wanna ... I don't wanna-

Narrator 53:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:08 I saw a '67 Corvette recently do that, uh, on YouTube or Instagram or something like that, just t- took to the air.

Joe Pyfer 53:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Just the guy was just ... And then up in the air.

Joe Pyfer 53:19 See, I'll get out of it, man.

Joe Rogan 53:20 And he started flipping.

Joe Pyfer 53:20 I'm not- I'm not that ballsy. Like, if I- I start feeling like I'm lifting, I'm out.

Joe Rogan 53:24 What do you got?

Joe Pyfer 53:25 You saw it?

Joe Rogan 53:25 What do you got, Jamie?

Narrator 53:25 No, I just thought it's just crazy.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Who's he?

Narrator 53:27 He's talking about the front clip.

Joe Rogan 53:28 Yeah, that's a scary proposition when you're going that fast in a straight line, your car just catches air.

Joe Pyfer 53:33 What's the fastest you've been in a car?

Joe Rogan 53:35 On a racetrack?

Joe Pyfer 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:36 I think I was 178, 179.

Narrator 53:39 All right. Watch the Camaro on the way out.

Joe Pyfer 53:40 Pump those numbers up, baby (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 53:42 Yeah. No, I'm good. Look at that thing catching air. Yeah, there it goes.

Joe Pyfer 53:45 Literally.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Look at that guy.

Joe Pyfer 53:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:46 That guy is launching through the fucking air, son.

Joe Pyfer 53:48 That guy said, "Fuck it," full send.

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 53:50 Hey, what a great re-

Narrator 53:52 Man.

Joe Pyfer 53:52 Wow, look at that.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Wow. He retur-

Narrator 53:54 That is nuts though.

Joe Rogan 53:55 That's crazy. But yeah, he was fully in the air.

Joe Pyfer 53:56 That dude did some good shit in his life to not die there.

Joe Rogan 53:59 Yeah, right?

Narrator 53:59 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 54:00 It was fully in the air.

Joe Pyfer 54:02 (laughs) Bro, I'd be so mad. I'd be so upset.

Joe Rogan 54:04 I love that car too.

Joe Pyfer 54:05 Like, my car is messed up now.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Such a beautiful car.

Joe Pyfer 54:07 I've been watching, uh, Car Masters on Netflix.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Oh, okay.

Joe Pyfer 54:10 Yeah, I don't know if you've ever ... If you ever watched that.

Joe Rogan 54:11 No, I haven't watched it. No.

Joe Pyfer 54:12 Bro, it's like they take like rust buckets, pieces of shit, like everybody would write off, uh, and you know, they do shit like Zephyrs. Uh, they put a 3AT three-stroker motor in a, uh, Tesla.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Oh, wow.

Joe Pyfer 54:22 Um, so it's pretty cool, yeah. I love watching that stuff. That's like what I watch before I go to bed.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 54:27 But ...

Joe Rogan 54:27 I love cars.

Joe Pyfer 54:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:29 The- this ... I mean, it's gonna be a sad day when there's no cars, 'cause I feel like that's coming. I feel like they're trying to ... World Economic Forum and all these fucking psychos-

Joe Pyfer 54:37 I'm, I'm not ... I hate Tesla.

Joe Rogan 54:37 ... are trying to make it so that no one owns a car and ... Teslas are great, man. Have you ever driven one?

Joe Pyfer 54:42 No. I mean, like I hate them as far ... Yeah. Like I've driven them. Don't like it. I don't like the automatic braking, I don't like all the like gadgets, like the ...

Joe Rogan 54:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 54:48 It's like a big ass iPad. That's not-

Joe Rogan 54:50 It is.

Joe Pyfer 54:51 I want like a knob to turn.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 54:53 But I'm also American muscle, like old school.

Joe Rogan 54:54 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 54:54 I'm also import too, but ...

Joe Rogan 54:56 No, obviously with the Evo. But I- I do love muscle ca... If I had to choose like one car that gives me the most joy, it's old muscle cars.

Joe Pyfer 55:03 Do you have a particular car?

Joe Rogan 55:05 Not really. I like them all.

Joe Pyfer 55:06 You don't have a favorite? Out of everything we've got-

Joe Rogan 55:07 No.

Joe Pyfer 55:07 ... you don't have a specific?

Joe Rogan 55:08 No, I have a '70 Chevelle that I fucking love.

Joe Pyfer 55:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:11 It's so raw. It just ... It's a 454 and just ... It's pumped up. It's got like 650 horsepower. It just ... It's the perfect balance. Big ass fat tires.

Joe Pyfer 55:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:20 It's a Roadster shop car too, so it handles and brakes real well.

Joe Pyfer 55:24 Good.

Joe Rogan 55:24 But it's just ... There's something about those cars-

Joe Pyfer 55:25 So that's exactly ... That's exactly what my neighbor had. He had a Chevelle.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Ah.

Joe Pyfer 55:29 And that's what started it for me. I remember being maybe six, seven years old.And we were poor, man. My parents combined never made more than 30,000 in a household of seven, combined.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Sure.

Joe Pyfer 55:39 Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I remember him ripping down, he had a orange one. He did the-

Joe Rogan 55:45 Ooh.

Joe Pyfer 55:45 ... motor himself, and he would rip down. Soon as he put me, you know what? That, I think that's what got me hooked on this adrenaline shit. He took me for a ride one time.

Joe Rogan 55:52 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 55:52 I'm like, "My dad's a deadbeat, bro. I'll never get to do this." So, I was like-

Joe Rogan 55:56 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 55:56 ... "I want the neighbor to be my dad." But, he took me for a ride first time I went over 100, and I was like ... I was just remember being like, "Oh my God, dude's so cool." Like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:05 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 56:05 So-

Joe Rogan 56:05 And it's the sound, the feel of those things too.

Joe Pyfer 56:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:09 When I was, uh, I think I was like 16, a buddy of mine picked me up, uh, in his friend's car. And his friend, uh, they, they would, you know, just, "Pick me up, we're gonna go somewhere." And his friend had a 70 Chevelle, and it was perfect. It was just cherry. It was a black with white stripes, the tuxedo, which is what I have. And I remember thinking, at 16 I was like, "How can this guy own this?"

Joe Pyfer 56:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:31 How is it possible that a person could own this perfect car? I couldn't imagine it. I couldn't imagine it. Until this-

Joe Pyfer 56:39 You remember how old you were?

Joe Rogan 56:40 I think I was 16.

Joe Pyfer 56:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 I was in high school, for sure.

Joe Pyfer 56:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:42 And I remember (laughs) he ran out of gas and coasted. He ran out of gas at the perfect s- s- time, and coasted right into the gas station.

Joe Pyfer 56:51 Gas station. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:52 Everybody was like, "This guy's the coolest guy that's ever lived."

Joe Pyfer 56:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:54 He ran out of gas. He's got the perfect car, he coasted into this gas station. And I just remember looking at the car-

Joe Pyfer 56:59 Here's what, here's what I like about the, the, the, the car people, the car world. The, the ... 'Cause if you're a car guy, somewhere along the line ... I mean, especially if you're building your own cars, you're blue collar, right? Like, they could teach you shit, you know? I had these nerds today. They, you, huh, they're calling AAA, or I don't know, fucking double A, I don't know what it is, but-

Joe Rogan 57:18 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 57:18 They can't even change a tire.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Right.

Joe Pyfer 57:20 They don't know how to ... They, "Where's the oil go?"

Joe Rogan 57:22 Right.

Joe Pyfer 57:22 And it's like, bro, you call yourself a man, but you can't change a tire, you can't change oil. Like, you don't know what to do if the car starts, but y- you don't, you don't know anything. You're useless. Like it's just-

Joe Rogan 57:29 That is the thing with modern cars. You open them up and it's a computer.

Joe Pyfer 57:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:33 There's just so much going on in there. And you know, there's an ECU that's powering-

Joe Pyfer 57:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:37 ... everything. And that has to be-

Joe Pyfer 57:38 Not unless you got a standalone.

Joe Rogan 57:40 That's true. Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 57:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:42 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 57:42 No, but that's, that's actually the issue I think I'm gonna run into with this new build on the Evo. I think I'm gonna have to get-

Joe Rogan 57:47 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 57:47 ... like, a standalone, and get it, get it tuned there. You know, get, get like a Motec or something like that.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 57:52 And, 'cause there's only so much you can do with a stock ECU. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:55 Right.

Joe Pyfer 57:55 Like safety fails and shit like that.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 57:57 I'm sure they probably have it on some of your cars, but you gotta have your safety fails so you don't blow it up again. But ...

Joe Rogan 58:02 You know Gordon Ryan?

Joe Pyfer 58:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:03 Gordon Ryan is, uh, now obsessed with Vipers. He's trying to get me to buy one of these Calvo Vipers.

Joe Pyfer 58:08 Dude, that's my dream car.

Joe Rogan 58:09 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 58:10 2017 Dodge Viper ACR.

Joe Rogan 58:13 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 58:13 You seen the fucking Pennzoil commercial?

Joe Rogan 58:15 Yes.

Joe Pyfer 58:15 Bro, I looked-

Joe Rogan 58:15 Yes.

Joe Pyfer 58:15 ... borderline cry watching that. I'm like, hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:17 Find that commercial.

Joe Pyfer 58:19 Man.

Joe Rogan 58:19 Tha- that car is a monster. But there's a company, a, it's Calvo, right? Pennzoil Autosports?

Joe Pyfer 58:23 It's the best looking ... Yeah. It's got, it's gotta be.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 58:26 They're, I, there's, there's one in the ... They're, they're around the country. The Calvo, right?

Joe Rogan 58:30 Well, there's one, there's one company that's in town that, uh, jacks them up to like 2,000 horsepower.

Joe Pyfer 58:38 Oh man, dude.

Joe Rogan 58:38 It is a Pennzoil, Pennzoil Films presents-

Joe Pyfer 58:40 This shit makes me like want to cry. I can't wait. One day, mark my words.

Joe Rogan 58:42 ... the Last Viper.

Joe Pyfer 58:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:45 It's absolutely an amazing car.

Joe Pyfer 58:48 It's just the sound, the, uh ...

Joe Rogan 58:49 Look at the way that thing looks. God, and that hood? The hood with the vents in it?

Joe Pyfer 58:54 It's that wing too, though.

Joe Rogan 58:55 Everything.

Joe Pyfer 58:56 Everything.

Joe Rogan 58:56 That's a-

Narrator 58:56 You know the TV show where they change, the Viper changed?

Joe Rogan 59:00 No.

Narrator 59:00 Th- uh, it was like 1995. I thought it was real. It changed from the red convertible to the yellow hard top.

Joe Rogan 59:06 No.

Narrator 59:07 Okay, I'll shut up.

Joe Rogan 59:07 You thought it was real?

Narrator 59:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:08 How old were you? (laughs)

Narrator 59:09 10. I don't fucking know.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Look at that fucking thing.

Joe Pyfer 59:13 Look at that thing, man.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Too hot.

Joe Pyfer 59:16 And that's how I, that's how I drive too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:18 I bet. Look at that fucking thing.

Joe Pyfer 59:19 I'm just not as good as that guy.

Joe Rogan 59:21 And you can't get that bitch in automatic. It doesn't exist.

Joe Pyfer 59:24 You don't ... That fucking automatic. You don't get a fast car-

Joe Rogan 59:26 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 59:26 ... in automatic, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:27 Not that one. Not that one. Look at that motherfucker. That is a-

Joe Pyfer 59:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:31 ... goddamn monster. That is a m- American monster right there. Woo!

Narrator 59:36 That sound off-

Joe Pyfer 59:37 It's got that supercar sound, but-

Joe Rogan 59:38 That V12.

Joe Pyfer 59:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:39 Good Lord.

Joe Pyfer 59:41 It's a V10?

Narrator 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 59:42 I think it's a V10.

Joe Rogan 59:43 V10?

Joe Pyfer 59:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Look at that fucking- look at the fire coming out of the sides.

Narrator 59:48 Whoever they hired to do this sounds obnoxious.

Joe Pyfer 59:50 Woo!

Joe Rogan 59:52 Woo!

Narrator 59:52 That's beautiful, man.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Whoever drove that knows how to fucking drive. What a car.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:00 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 If you don't get excited by this, move somewhere else.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:04 Bro, my heart starts racing watching it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 Yeah, you n- you need to go to another country motherfucker.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:08 Bro, I get more adrenaline from driving like that than fighting.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Look at that fucking thing. Good Lord.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Good Lord. God, that thing is amazing.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:22 Dodge, let's hook it up, dude. You need to have me on your team.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 (laughs)

Joe Pyfer 1:00:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 I love Dodge. I have a Ram. I have a TRX that I got from John Hennessy.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:31 Do you like that?

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 It's got 1,000 horsepower.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:33 Do you like a truck that fast?

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Fuck yeah. I love that one. Yeah. I love that one.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:39 Yeah. Don't say it out loud-

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 I love that TRX.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:40 ... or Sean Brady will be upset with us.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Why?

Joe Pyfer 1:00:41 Small ass Ford Raptor. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Oh, those are great too.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:44 No, they're good. He's got a nice one.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Raptors are great. The new one-

Joe Pyfer 1:00:46 He's got a nice one.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 The Raptor R, the V8 one is insane.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 And Hennessy's doing that too. He's taking that up to 1,000 horsepower.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:51 Is the Raptor R a twin turbo?

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 No, it must be. It's either supercharged or twin turbo. I don't know.

Joe Pyfer 1:00:57 I think, well, I mean, regular Raptors are usually turboed, so I can't imagine that this is super.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 The regular Raptor's a turbo six, and this is, I think it has the same engine as the GT500. I think that's the idea behind it. 'Cause it's 700 stock from the factory. And then Hennessy takes it and he jacks it up. So I'm 99% sure it's supercharged.

Narrator 1:01:16 You don't remember this TV show?

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 No. No, I never saw this. You thought this was real, Jamie?

Narrator 1:01:21 I was 10.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:23 I never heard of a Viper in my life.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 It just changes the color?

Joe Pyfer 1:01:26 Did you believe in Santa as a kid?

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 He did, until he was-

Joe Pyfer 1:01:28 For-

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 ... 12.

Joe Pyfer 1:01:29 Damn!

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Big Viper. See there?

Joe Pyfer 1:01:31 That was a TV show?

Narrator 1:01:32 Bro, growing up-

Joe Pyfer 1:01:33 Yeah.

Narrator 1:01:33 There was like 1000-

Joe Pyfer 1:01:33 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:34 ... serious stuff going on.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Growing up, we didn't get to joy. There was no fucking Santa. There was no like-

Narrator 1:01:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 ... "Hey motherfucker, we ain't got money, you're not getting no gifts."

Joe Pyfer 1:01:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 Like, we-

Narrator 1:01:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 We used to have the church like donate us like, uh, gifts and whatnot. 'Cause we gr- I grew up Christian and whatnot. (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Well-

Joe Pyfer 1:01:48 There was no Santa.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 ... it is horrible for you as a child, but I firmly believe that being poor as a kid is also a supercharger. It's a, it's like a superpower. There's something about it, y-

Joe Pyfer 1:01:58 You're grateful.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 ... y- y- you're, you're grateful and you can't replace that. You can't ... If you have someone that grows up wealthy and then they just, y- they become successful in life, th- they're never gonna have that same gear as the person who grows up poor. There's something about growing up poor. It sucks.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:15 It gives you a, it gives you a, a burning desire for the things that you want.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:18 And, and you're, you wanna figure it out. I mean, thes- these kids that are born into money, (clears throat) it's actually someone we both know, where it's like sometimes ... And, and, and even people like back home, it's like I know people that have kids where it's like they don't know how to like fit in-

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Right.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:34 ... because status and money-

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:38 ... and shit like that. So that could be damaging for a kid, you know? And-

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:41 ... it's, it's, it's good to have them in sports. It's good to have them in school cr- uh, you know, curriculums, like af- uh, after-school activities. And, uh, I always tell everybody that's like got a boy, if he's got an attitude problem, like put that motherfucker in wrestling, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 100%.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:52 Wrestling is the best thing for a troubled kid.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 100%.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:56 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 100%.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 100% so-

Joe Pyfer 1:02:56 So-

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 ... 'cause there's no easy wrestling.

Joe Pyfer 1:02:59 No, man. There's no-

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 But you have to, you have to show respect for your coaches. Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 1:03:02 You have to show up on time. You have to ... You pay if you, you're late. You get broken down too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 You get broken down. It's good, you know?

Joe Pyfer 1:03:07 That's the thing, the, the getting the broken down. And then the kinda status you get from that, you really feel that. That's earned status. It's a different status.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a team score-

Joe Pyfer 1:03:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 ... individual- Mm-hmm.

Joe Pyfer 1:03:18 ... you know, grading. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Yeah.

Joe Pyfer 1:03:19 So it's cool, man. Uh, wrestling w- like my life got real tough once I got to ... like once I left home. So I ... My parents divorced at 15. Like I testified, I never wanted to see my mom again, and then-

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Joe Pyfer 1:03:31 ... I left with my dad. Yeah, so the, you know, the other, the other branch of that story is you got the abuse from at least my earliest memory of like four and a half, five years old un- and till 15 years old. Then we leave. I go to PA with my dad because my mom basically hated my guts. I was a f- it was like ... It was such a divided family. It was the girls and my mom. They ... We lived like the farm life. Like I grew up a farm boy and, uh, against like my dad and the fighter, right? Like, like I was a puppet. And, uh, you know, I just mimicked everything that he said. But, you know, um, I chose my dad because I didn't want to lose wrestling or, or jujitsu or, or-

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Right.

Joe Pyfer 1:04:08 ... boxing and everything. But then when I got up-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 The things that were giving you meaning.

Joe Pyfer 1:04:10 But then when I got up to PA, he had already had a girl he was laid up in that it was like that's all that mattered to him, and then she worked. He doesn't work. You know what I mean? So he found somebody to prey on, to manipulate, to do his thing, and then-

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 No.

Joe Pyfer 1:04:22 ... it was like, "I don't need my kid no more," after I went to court and like, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 Oh, geez.

Joe Pyfer 1:04:26 I didn't understand the consequences of testifang- testifying in court against your mom and being dragged to court out of school and, and that humiliation. Um, and, uh, you know, I didn't talk to my, my mom and my sisters for years. And we, we don't talk currently. We haven't talked since before I, I got in the UFC. And we haven't talked since before I broke