JRE MMA Show #154 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

Matt Serra 0:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 0:12 I'm ready when you are.

Matt Serra 0:13 Okay, let's-

Joe Rogan 0:14 I'm thinking about popping this thing.

Matt Serra 0:14 ... he, Matt's already on a roll. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 Yeah, he's on a roll. We gotta get- we gotta get it going.

Narrator 0:18 I'm getting it popping. I missed it already.

Matt Serra 0:20 We gotta get it going. Yeah. We missed- we missed-

Joe Rogan 0:22 (laughs)

Matt Serra 0:22 ... the joy that is Matt's hair.

Narrator 0:24 Gotta get you ready for your truck ride over there.

Matt Serra 0:24 Um-

Joe Rogan 0:24 We need a name for this order of, uh, unruly gentlemen. We need a-

Narrator 0:29 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:29 ... we need a name for us.

Narrator 0:30 Uh-

Joe Rogan 0:30 Matt? (laughs)

Matt Serra 0:31 I wanna think about it, but what do I-

Joe Rogan 0:32 This is Matt's first Zyn, by the way.

Narrator 0:34 But what is-

Matt Serra 0:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:34 And it's a six milligram. That's a, that's a heavy dose.

Matt Serra 0:37 But I'm not a... I'm a caffeine guy. I love caffeine.

Joe Rogan 0:40 That's- that's a lot like caffeine, but like even more.

Matt Serra 0:42 Oh. But, um... Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 0:43 Jesus.

Matt Serra 0:43 I've seen it at 7-Eleven. I know Tucker Carlson takes it.

Joe Rogan 0:46 He loves them.

Matt Serra 0:47 And it's not- he used to-

Joe Rogan 0:47 He got so excited that I had one. He's like, "You have them too?" (laughs)

Narrator 0:50 (laughs)

Matt Serra 0:50 But it's not a-

Narrator 0:50 Strap him into that seat. (laughs)

Matt Serra 0:52 It's not a- it's not a dip though.

Joe Rogan 0:54 No, it's just a little pouch. It's not, it's not actual tobacco. It's just the nicotine chemical.

Matt Serra 1:00 Oh, oh, hold on.

Joe Rogan 1:00 Nicotine chemical... Nicotine as a chemical is neuroprotective. It- it- it shows there's been studies that have done that it shows some sort of a connection with helping ward off Alzheimer's, I believe. Find out if that's true. I might have made that up.

Matt Serra 1:13 Oh, nicotine?

Joe Rogan 1:14 I might have made that up.

Matt Serra 1:14 Oh, so you saying it's good for you?

Narrator 1:15 So-

Joe Rogan 1:15 Katt Williams' weed is strong. Yes.

Matt Serra 1:16 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 1:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17 Nico- nicotine as a- a chemical is not bad for you. What's bad for you is the delivery system of cigarettes.

Narrator 1:25 There it is.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Particularly c- cigarettes if you buy like cigarettes with chemicals in them.

Matt Serra 1:30 W-

Joe Rogan 1:30 So there's like... There's those-

Narrator 1:31 It is American Indians-

Joe Rogan 1:32 What are those American Spirits?

Narrator 1:33 Yeah, whatever they're called.

Joe Rogan 1:33 What are they called?

Narrator 1:34 American something.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Spirits?

Narrator 1:36 American... Spirits?

Matt Serra 1:36 It's a... That's like a marketing thing. I don't think that's true.

Joe Rogan 1:38 They're not... They have shit in them too?

Matt Serra 1:40 Of course, they're cigarettes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:41 No, but I think- I think it's different.

Narrator 1:42 Interesting, I thought they were just supposedly paper and a tobacco.

Matt Serra 1:45 I don't think it is.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Oh, those liars. Okay, nicotine for Alzheimer's disease. There's no evidence from randomized controlled trials to support the use of nicotine as a treatment for Alzheimer's disease. So what was the thing that... Wasn't there something about a connection between the way nicotine works and some sort of a... There's something I read.

Narrator 2:05 My thing is, if I start with the nicotine-

Joe Rogan 2:07 Could we go back to that, please, Jamie?

Matt Serra 2:08 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Will you just say... It says, "While nicotine itself doesn't cause dementia, the act of smoking cigarettes may be linked to an increased risk of developing dementia as you age. The harmful substances in cigarette smokes can lead to inflammation, factors linked to the onset of Alz- Alzheimer's disease." I know that nicotine is a medication they use sometimes for heart patients, so find out what that is. Um- The fuck that is. The thing is with cigarettes-

Narrator 2:31 Mycopathy obliterates your dilator.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Did you ever see that movie with Russell Crowe, The Insider? Yeah.

Narrator 2:35 I did not.

Matt Serra 2:36 No.

Joe Rogan 2:36 It's about the dude who works for the cigarette companies. He's a chemist, and he's talking about all the shit they throw in the cigarettes to make them super hyper addictive.

Narrator 2:43 Oh, it sounds action-packed. (laughs)

Matt Serra 2:43 So it's not... So it's actually not the nicotine that makes it addictive?

Joe Rogan 2:47 Well, nicotine is addictive as well.

Matt Serra 2:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Nicotine is addictive as well.

Matt Serra 2:50 Well, that's my question.

Joe Rogan 2:51 And then they just super juice it up, according to this movie.

Matt Serra 2:53 Before you get me addicted to these things-

Narrator 2:56 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Matt Serra 2:56 ... if I put this in my mouth, am I gonna-

Joe Rogan 2:58 What are you gonna be, scratching like fucking Tyrone Tibbs?

Narrator 3:00 (laughs)

Matt Serra 3:01 If I sto- if I start it in my... "Hey, Aunt Sarah, I do nicotine."

Narrator 3:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:05 (laughs)

Matt Serra 3:05 If I'm an everyday... If I'm an... What is this called again?

Joe Rogan 3:08 Zyn.

Narrator 3:09 Zyn.

Matt Serra 3:09 If I'm an everyday Zyn guy, am I gonna... If I stop it, am I gonna be like-

Joe Rogan 3:13 No, I stopped it the other day for two days. I said, "I wanna see what it's like."

Matt Serra 3:16 And?

Joe Rogan 3:16 Nothing.

Matt Serra 3:18 Did you wait three days? What about four days?

Narrator 3:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:21 No, I mean, maybe it's gonna... Are you gonna get an itch in your stomach?

Matt Serra 3:22 I didn't have an itch, no. No, I was fine.

Narrator 3:23 I would think you would've got it earlier instead of later.

Matt Serra 3:26 I would've... I would... I- I liked them, but-

Joe Rogan 3:27 Are you an everyday Zyner?

Matt Serra 3:29 Yeah, not every day. I take days off. But the thing is like, I don't know if that's my biology. Like, I don't- I don't... I can- I can just do things and stop doing them.

Joe Rogan 3:40 I can't. You know what I mean?

Matt Serra 3:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 3:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:41 There's a reason why I never tried fucking cocaine or anything.

Narrator 3:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:45 I've done it in my fucking mind.

Matt Serra 3:45 Yeah, well, I haven't either. I haven't either.

Joe Rogan 3:46 I had- I had these two pizzeria bosses, and one of them, uh... Just- just be- just last week, uh, had to get a new spine and now he's- he's on a ventilator. I don't wanna get emotional.

Matt Serra 3:58 A new spine?

Joe Rogan 3:58 But anyway, he- he's- he's pre-... I think he might be dead by now, but it's very depressing. But anyway, uh, I was 17 years old and I used to deliver pizzas for these guys, Nicky and Louie. And, uh, they were two... They were funny. They remind me a little bit of a Joey Diaz. They were just smoking cigarettes. They were very funny. But they told me, they go, "If you try it once..." They had... They used to have a cocaine problem, but they- they cleaned up. And, uh, he goes... He goes, "Matt, you try it once and you're fucked." And I went... (laughs) "Sold."

Matt Serra 4:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:24 And I got scared.

Matt Serra 4:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:25 I got fucking scared.

Matt Serra 4:26 I'm scared.

Joe Rogan 4:26 You know?

Narrator 4:27 Yeah, I'm fucking scared.

Joe Rogan 4:27 So... And I do that. And I've been in situations, obviously, I mean, we all have, like where it's like talk about peer pressure, man. I was like, "Fucking..." You know? And it's like, yeah, you got to be that guy and be like, uh... I got real lucky when I was growing up that I had friends that liked it, that were good friends that told me to never do it. And then I also had a friend whose cousin sold it. And when he sold it, he went from being this like regular dude to being like a vampire. And he just stayed in the att- he had an attic apartment with his girlfriend, and they just did coke and watched movies and sold coke. And he lost-

Narrator 4:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:59 He lost a ton of weight. He started getting real, like, gaunt and skinny looking. And I was like, "Yo, it's like they got bit by a vampire."

Matt Serra 5:06 Oh, God.

Narrator 5:06 Damn.

Joe Rogan 5:07 It's like they got bit by a vampire.

Matt Serra 5:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:08 It's like you're not the same person again. Now your- your whole mission in life is getting coke.

Matt Serra 5:14 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 5:15 Yeah. Yeah, that's- yeah, that's not a good place.

Joe Rogan 5:15 That's your whole mission. Everything else is out the window.

Narrator 5:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:18 All that success and love and family and friendship and dinners with friends, fuck all that. You got to get coke.

Matt Serra 5:25 Yeah, that's not- that's not the way to live.

Joe Rogan 5:27 It's crazy. You got to be missing-

Narrator 5:27 You just throw this thing in your mouth like that? You just put it in your mouth?

Joe Rogan 5:29 I just stick it between my cheek and my- my gum. That's it.

Matt Serra 5:32 I'm in.

Joe Rogan 5:33 But you know what else I found that I really like? Is these... This... I don't know. This is... I should kind of not be talking about this, because these motherfuckers took the name that we use for our nootropic, which is Alpha Brain. But it's a... These are like, um, a nootropic pouch. So this doesn't have any nicotine in it. It has a bunch of nootropics, which I really- I really like nootropics.

Matt Serra 5:53 No.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Maybe they didn't steal our name, but it's kind of-

Matt Serra 5:55 No.

Joe Rogan 5:55 ... close. I'm kind of convinced it's the same thing.

Narrator 5:55 It's Alpha Brain conveys the message, right?

Matt Serra 5:56 I used to take that all the time.

Joe Rogan 5:57 We- we... Alpha Brain was one of the first... Well, the first one that I ever found out was Neuro1. Remember that guy, Romanowski?

Narrator 6:03 Mm-hmm.

Matt Serra 6:03 Yeah, Bill Romanowski.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Yeah, Romanowski, who was a football player, obviously got a lot of head impacts and he was having problems with his memory, so he devised a supplement to... It's really good. That was the first one I ever found out about.

Matt Serra 6:14 And, uh... I'm sorry, what did you say is in that again?

Joe Rogan 6:16 This one?

Matt Serra 6:17 What-

Joe Rogan 6:17 It's got a bunch of different nootropics.

Matt Serra 6:18 No, no, with the- with the- the word you just said.

Joe Rogan 6:20 Nootropics.

Matt Serra 6:21 Now not... For the people at home...

Joe Rogan 6:22 ... not, not me. (laughs)

Din Thomas 6:25 (laughs)

Matt Serra 6:25 What exactly- what exactly is a nootropic?

Joe Rogan 6:27 It's, uh, it's the building block for human neurochemistry. So, it's things like, uh, acetylcholine. There's a, there's a bunch of different ones. If you can, like, list, show the, the ingredients for Alpha Brain if you could. There's lutein, there's a bunch of different things that have been shown to increase cognitive performance. So, we actually did randomized control trials at the Boston Center for Memory for Alpha Brain. We sponsored two of them. And it showed an increase in verbal memory, your ability to retain words, which I really find.

Din Thomas 6:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Like, I take it every time I do a UFC, I take Alpha Brain. Always.

Din Thomas 7:01 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 7:01 Helps my memory.

Din Thomas 7:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:02 I'm talking about fights from f- I, I've watched 2,000 fights-

Din Thomas 7:05 And, and you be bringing out zingers, yeah, you be bringing up zingers that everybody forgot about.

Joe Rogan 7:08 ... every now and then.

Din Thomas 7:09 I'm like, "God, that, yeah." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:10 I got some Pete Spratt information for you, you know. But it does help. Okay, so Alpha GPC, uh, hypericia, vitamin B6, theanine is a really good one too. Theanine is also in another thing I really like, which is NeuroGum.

Din Thomas 7:23 Yeah, I, I actually use that.

Joe Rogan 7:24 Not a sponsor. Yep, I have these right here, NeuroMints.

Din Thomas 7:27 The mints.

Joe Rogan 7:27 I like these. Um, not a sponsor, just good, good product. Uh, vitamin B6, obviously good for you. So, all these things, what it's, what has shown is, if you take these things, it's just like, we know that there's certain nutrients that your body needs. You, we know we need vitamin D. And if you're not getting it from the sun, you can supplement it. There's a bunch of different things you can supplement, but you can supplement the things that your brain needs to work at the best level.

Din Thomas 7:52 Speaking of mints...

John Rallo 7:52 You, you saw the amount of supplements I take, you would go crazy.

Joe Rogan 7:55 Oh, I would love, we didn't say I was using them.

Din Thomas 7:57 No, I know the frick. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:57 (laughs)

Din Thomas 7:57 Morning, morning stuff, afternoon stuff, night stuff.

Joe Rogan 8:01 What the fuck are you talking about? If there was one dude in this room that I would come to, and he'd, "Who's got the supplements?"

Din Thomas 8:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:08 (laughs)

Din Thomas 8:08 You know, there's someone to know.

Joe Rogan 8:10 'Cause John Rollo knows about some supplements.

Din Thomas 8:13 What is that, some-

John Rallo 8:13 Oh, my lord.

Din Thomas 8:14 ... Jocko Milk or some shit? What are you on?

Joe Rogan 8:16 What's that?

Din Thomas 8:16 What, what kind of protein do you take?

John Rallo 8:17 Oh, he's got an Origin shirt.

Din Thomas 8:19 Protein? Yeah, that's right.

John Rallo 8:19 Uh, uh, uh, I do have some Jocko's Milk at the house, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 8:22 Oh, bro, I buy that shit by the cases.

Din Thomas 8:24 Have you tried, have you-

Joe Rogan 8:24 I have like five k, I have the new one, the sweet cream.

Din Thomas 8:27 Have you tried Mark Bell's stuff?

Joe Rogan 8:28 Yeah, Mark Bell's stuff's great.

John Rallo 8:29 The steak shake? I love that shit.

Joe Rogan 8:30 The steak shake? That's great.

John Rallo 8:31 That's what I've been hitting lately.

Joe Rogan 8:31 But what I like about the Jocko's is they're already made. I'm lazy.

Din Thomas 8:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:34 I got around the door.

Din Thomas 8:35 Oh, actually, you're getting the pre. I got you.

Joe Rogan 8:37 I grab two of those bitches, I grab two of those bitches, I got 60 grams of protein. Bam, true.

Din Thomas 8:39 So, you don't get the pre-made ones?

John Rallo 8:41 No.

Din Thomas 8:41 You gotta make them?

John Rallo 8:42 I get the powder, and the, the main reason too is 'cause I like to put it in my oatmeal too, so I'll, I'll mix it up like that.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Well, I'm not a goat, so I don't be eating oatmeal.

Din Thomas 8:50 (laughs)

John Rallo 8:51 (laughs)

Din Thomas 8:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:51 (laughs) Like a fucking goat. I'm eating bacon and eggs. What are you eating?

Din Thomas 8:56 Yeah. I'm fucking back, I'm back to being gluten-free now.

Joe Rogan 8:58 (laughs) Isn't it funny that when people chug, people used to eat oatmeal if they were starving. Those were people that were like poor people that were just starving to death working in the fields, and now we're like-

Din Thomas 9:07 I know, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:07 "Oh, granola."

Din Thomas 9:09 (laughs)

John Rallo 9:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:09 Healthy. Eat some bacon, you fucking idiot.

Din Thomas 9:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:12 Get some eggs and just eat a dozen eggs and some bacon, you feel like-

John Rallo 9:17 Then when they say, "I hope, I hope you don't think I missed many meals." No, you ain't missing any meals.

Din Thomas 9:21 You mind if I, you mind if I grab some coffee?

Joe Rogan 9:21 Get in there. It's for you.

Din Thomas 9:23 Um, I seen a, um, since the last time we spoke, we, remember the last time we were talking about my ass? Not to get into the fucking... Remember, (laughs) remember I just, I got... Now, remember we talked about my ass?

Joe Rogan 9:33 Hey, what a segue here.

John Rallo 9:34 For the folks at home, a refresher. (laughs)

Din Thomas 9:37 Well, I don't wanna leave everybody on a cliffhanger.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Whew.

Din Thomas 9:41 The last we spoke, um, I was supposed to take a shit in a box to go to the lab.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Right.

Din Thomas 9:47 And I c- and I had a, I had a f- it was, I don't know what it was. I, I, I just didn't, never did it, and then I finally was like, "You know what? Fuck it. I'm doing it." And then I, I changed insurance, so I had to get a different doctor, so I had to... Anyway, I seen a holistic doctor, right? So I'm gonna, uh, I ended up doing it. He-

Joe Rogan 10:04 Like a witch doctor?

Din Thomas 10:05 Uh, uh, dude, now listen, I was a little nervous too.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Why a holistic doctor?

Din Thomas 10:10 Should I, should I be, should I be-

John Rallo 10:11 The shaman.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Is that a real thing?

Din Thomas 10:12 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Is that a real thing?

Din Thomas 10:13 Well listen, I'm gonna find out. He's, thank you, brother. It's, uh, it, it, Mike G, it's, um, from Huntington, right? Now, somebody recommended him. I know what you're thinking. I was thinking the same thing. It's gonna be, um, do you have any sweetness?

Joe Rogan 10:25 Uh, we don't.

Din Thomas 10:26 Nah, no, I'm a, I'm a f- look at me, primadonna.

Joe Rogan 10:28 Sorry.

John Rallo 10:28 Do we have any out there?

Din Thomas 10:29 No, no, I don't wanna be that guy. Jamie, sit down, please. We got enough.

Joe Rogan 10:32 No, no, no, what do you want? Like, Splenda, Real Sugar?

Din Thomas 10:34 Uh, yeah, Splenda, Stevia.

Joe Rogan 10:35 He's like, "I don't wanna be that guy." Splenda, Stevia.

Din Thomas 10:37 Stevia. Yeah, yeah, okay.

John Rallo 10:39 (laughs)

Din Thomas 10:40 Got some milk.

Joe Rogan 10:40 You don't need that mint cream.

Din Thomas 10:42 So, what I, what I-

John Rallo 10:43 Jamie, sit down. No Stevia.

Din Thomas 10:46 Listen. First of all, it's hard to get a, uh, it's hard to get an appointment with a lot of these fucking doctors, you know? So my-

John Rallo 10:52 Especially the holistic ones.

Joe Rogan 10:53 Well, they're-

Din Thomas 10:54 They're all doing voodoo.

Joe Rogan 10:55 That, that, that wasn't as hard. For some-

Din Thomas 10:57 (laughs)

John Rallo 10:57 They're all, a lot of ceremonies.

Joe Rogan 10:58 No, my, my...

Din Thomas 11:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:00 My wife, you know, my wife, my wife started by trying to book these doctors and couldn't get it. So then, somebody recommended this guy, all right? So, I was expecting a fucking half a hippie sipping wheatgrass. I didn't know what to expect. It was a guy who looked like a j- a look, looked like John Rollo, 59, strong guy, nice guy. He was telling me that, you know, a lot of these, they just wanna put you on meds. They don't look at what caused the problem or the, they just wanna- Right.

Din Thomas 11:26 They wanna treat the problem. They wanna treat the problem, they don't want... He's like, "I wanna turn back time with ya," and shit like that. I don't know. Listen, so I, nice guy.

Joe Rogan 11:33 Like a Cher song.

Din Thomas 11:34 Like a Cher song.

John Rallo 11:35 (laughs)

Din Thomas 11:35 I thought it was-

Joe Rogan 11:37 << Turn back time. >>

Din Thomas 11:39 << Back in time. >>

Joe Rogan 11:40 (laughs)

Din Thomas 11:41 She was pretty, she was pretty, but she had no ass, that's all it had.

Joe Rogan 11:43 Hey man, she's still pretty.

Din Thomas 11:44 She used to not have-

Joe Rogan 11:44 You didn't have to have an ass back then.

Din Thomas 11:45 I know.

Joe Rogan 11:46 She snuck in.

Din Thomas 11:47 True.

Joe Rogan 11:47 Under the wire.

Din Thomas 11:48 Yeah.

John Rallo 11:49 Yeah. She's still kinda hot. I'd smash.

Joe Rogan 11:50 (laughs) Back in the day she was gorgeous.

John Rallo 11:52 Yeah.

Din Thomas 11:52 I don't know about now.

Joe Rogan 11:53 She was, no, she was pretty-

John Rallo 11:54 She looks pretty good today.

Din Thomas 11:55 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'll say it.

John Rallo 11:56 Really, right now. Right now.

Joe Rogan 11:58 The Sonny and Cher days, the Sonny and c-

Din Thomas 12:01 Now?

Joe Rogan 12:01 She was hot. That's wild that he went on... What did he, became a senator or anything?

Din Thomas 12:06 Yeah.

John Rallo 12:06 I think he was the mayor of his-

Joe Rogan 12:07 Thank you.

John Rallo 12:07 ... like, whatever city he lived in.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Well, the, Clint Eastwood became the mayor of Carmel, California.

Din Thomas 12:12 I do remember that.

Joe Rogan 12:13 But I think Sonny Bono was like a senator or something.

Din Thomas 12:16 Was he?

Joe Rogan 12:16 Wasn't he, Jimmy?

John Rallo 12:17 Shit.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Was he a congressman?

John Rallo 12:18 I knew he got in politics for sure.

Din Thomas 12:19 Everything's a rep.

Joe Rogan 12:20 But like heavy duty into politics, and then he died skiing.

Din Thomas 12:24 What, he hit a tree? He ran into a tree.

John Rallo 12:26 Man, that's a motherfucker.

Din Thomas 12:27 Isn't that how Kennedy died too, the, uh-

Joe Rogan 12:29 Yeah, one of the Kennedys died same way, and in like real close proximity to each other.

Din Thomas 12:33 I used, I used to love skiing, man.

Joe Rogan 12:34 16th Mayor of Palm Springs, California from '88 to '92.

John Rallo 12:38 Yeah, he was a rep- representative.

Joe Rogan 12:39 And served as the US Representative for California's 44th District from in, from 1995 till his death in '98.

John Rallo 12:46 Oh, so he was, he was both. He was the mayor too.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Let, let me-

John Rallo 12:48 Wow.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Let me ask you, let me ask you.

John Rallo 12:50 That's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan 12:51 How much- And he's a Republican. I got you, babe, the hippie movement.

John Rallo 12:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:55 With the fucking bell bottoms and shit.

John Rallo 12:56 I know when it was Republican.

Joe Rogan 12:56 My, my thing is this. From Ronald Reagan to Sonny Bono...

Din Thomas 13:01 ... it, do people like the policies? Or are they just liking the fucking guy? I was just watching Idiocracy the other day-

Matt Serra 13:07 Oh my Lord.

Joe Rogan 13:07 It's so good, still.

Din Thomas 13:08 And, uh, that is the film. Dude, such, oh wait, hold on. That's fucking great.

Matt Serra 13:11 Terry Crews was a great press.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Still, so good.

Din Thomas 13:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:13 It holds up so well.

Matt Serra 13:13 He's like, "Listen-

Din Thomas 13:14 You like the white Terry Crews.

Matt Serra 13:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:18 (laughs)

Din Thomas 13:18 He see (laughs) , yeah. He seeing the council, he's like, "Yeah, my first wife, my first wife was taunted. She's a pilot now."

Joe Rogan 13:24 (laughs)

Din Thomas 13:26 And fucking ... (laughs) No, it, it, that movie is fucking great.

Joe Rogan 13:28 It's a great movie, man.

Din Thomas 13:29 It's not exactly politically correct, but it's fucking good.

Joe Rogan 13:31 It's not at all, but it holds up. You almost couldn't make it today.

Matt Serra 13:34 You can't make any of these, Tropic Thunder or-

Joe Rogan 13:36 Listen, Tropic Thunder would be impossible today.

Matt Serra 13:39 No, you couldn't make that now.

Din Thomas 13:39 I gotta watch that again.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Impossible today.

Din Thomas 13:41 I haven't watched that in ages.

Joe Rogan 13:42 Bro.

Matt Serra 13:42 Great movie.

Joe Rogan 13:43 That's a great movie, man.

Matt Serra 13:45 Great movie.

Din Thomas 13:46 I have to watch that.

Joe Rogan 13:46 That's a great movie.

Matt Serra 13:47 And Robert Downey Jr., not only was he in black face, but he was in yellow face. Remember, he came out talking to them about catching Jack Black in the rice paddies and shit.

Din Thomas 13:56 (laughs)

Matt Serra 13:56 And he was, he went, it was hilarious. (laughs)

Din Thomas 13:59 Easy there, Shane Gillis. They're gonna be marching on, I think they're gonna be marching on ground control for that one. Fucking fuck.

Joe Rogan 14:05 Listen man, Asian people take it better than anybody. You know how I know?

Matt Serra 14:09 Yeah, oh, I see.

Joe Rogan 14:10 Emojis. Emojis are all yellow-

Matt Serra 14:13 Oh, I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 14:14 ... and there's no complaints.

Matt Serra 14:14 I know. No one is, yep. (laughs)

Din Thomas 14:15 That's very true.

Joe Rogan 14:15 Not a single complaint.

Din Thomas 14:16 Not a single complaint, yep, you're right.

Joe Rogan 14:17 Not a single complaint.

Din Thomas 14:18 You're right, you're right, yep.

Joe Rogan 14:19 Asian people just keep working.

Din Thomas 14:21 They keep ... That's true, they never, they never have a problem.

Matt Serra 14:22 That's what they say.

Din Thomas 14:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:23 They don't (laughs) if like, there was like a, a, a, there was like legit Asian hate though after COVID came out. There was a lot of like really dumb people that were just running up to Asian people hitting them.

Matt Serra 14:34 Hitting the shit. Yeah, no, I see that a lot.

Joe Rogan 14:35 Hitting them, screaming at them.

Din Thomas 14:36 Especially in N- New York, a lot on the subways.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Crazy, crazy.

Din Thomas 14:39 Now it's-

Joe Rogan 14:40 That's crazy.

Din Thomas 14:41 That's where they need people to step up.

Joe Rogan 14:42 But that's real, that's real.

Matt Serra 14:43 Yeah, that was like violence, right? That wasn't just, you know, talking.

Joe Rogan 14:46 Yeah, it wasn't just like yellow face.

Matt Serra 14:48 Yeah. (laughs)

Din Thomas 14:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:49 Like yellow, you can get away with yellow face. Nobody fucks with that shit. You could dress up like a bumblebee, nobody would freak out.

Din Thomas 14:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:58 Like when they got that kid, there was a kid who turned out to actually be Native American who had half of his face-

Matt Serra 15:03 Oh, the Chiefs game.

Joe Rogan 15:04 Yeah, so-

Matt Serra 15:05 So brilliant.

Joe Rogan 15:06 What he, he had half of ... He had literally put on like war paint of, I think of the tribe that he's from.

Din Thomas 15:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:13 Right?

Matt Serra 15:14 Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Din Thomas 15:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:15 I think it's from the tribe that he's from. And one of those websites tried to label it as a fan, a racist fan in blackface.

Din Thomas 15:23 He's racist.

Matt Serra 15:23 And they said he's in blackface too, yep.

Joe Rogan 15:23 So they only showed this side of his face where it was dark, and the other side of his face was white, which was like this war paint.

Din Thomas 15:30 Oh, no.

Matt Serra 15:31 And they, and they-

Joe Rogan 15:33 Bro, they just fucking totally bullshitted him.

Matt Serra 15:34 ... and the kid turned out to be Indian as well.

Din Thomas 15:35 Oh, no.

Matt Serra 15:35 So they like, they got the double ... They were wrong twice, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 15:38 People are just so quick to jump the gun.

Din Thomas 15:41 Listen, I'm sick of this woke shit.

Matt Serra 15:43 Yeah, dude, you and I both.

Din Thomas 15:44 And let me tell you, let me tell you loud and clear, I am sick of what they did to fucking Star Wars. They took a shit all over it.

Matt Serra 15:51 That makes, Marvel, Marvel, I'm a huge Marvel fan.

Din Thomas 15:53 They get angry. Listen, I love everybody.

Matt Serra 15:55 You know?

Din Thomas 15:55 I love everybody, and I'm a, I'm a, um, my ... I have three daughters. I love strong like female characters. Vasquez from fucking Aliens.

Joe Rogan 16:06 Oh, she was badass.

Matt Serra 16:08 Right, right, Sigourney Weaver.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah, Sigourney Weaver.

Din Thomas 16:10 Linda Hamilton. I'll go on, listen-

Joe Rogan 16:12 Linda Hamilton, Terminator.

Matt Serra 16:13 Terminator.

Din Thomas 16:13 It, no, there's nothing ... How about this? There's nothing wrong with making everybody badass. Now d- d- I'm (laughs) I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask something to the wrong guys. You guys see Ahsoka?

Matt Serra 16:24 I did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:25 What's Ahsoka?

Matt Serra 16:26 My brother, he-

Din Thomas 16:27 It's a, it's a, uh-

Matt Serra 16:28 My brother J does.

Din Thomas 16:28 ... it's a Disney+ show, it's a, it's about a Jedi. There she is.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Yeah.

Din Thomas 16:32 With a Rosario Dawson.

Matt Serra 16:33 Yeah, she's hot.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Yeah.

Din Thomas 16:34 Now, it's a s- not to get too geeky on you, on you, but listen.

Matt Serra 16:39 It's too late for that.

Joe Rogan 16:40 (laughs)

Din Thomas 16:40 It ha- ... No, that, that ship has sailed. You know what I mean? I gotta listen, I gotta, I gotta go. Listen, this is the deal, with Ahsoka, i- it's not ... It's based basically off of, um, another show, which was an animated show. Not to get too nerdy on you, George and theme. First of all, before you pick on me, Georges St-Pierre watches these same fucking shows.

Matt Serra 17:03 (laughs)

Din Thomas 17:03 'Cause I talked to Georges about this, and we geeked the fuck. I go, "Georges, how did we have a fight?" We fucking ... He's like, he's tell- he's, he's, he knows more than me about all this shit. He reads the books. But anyway, this show was a cool show, this show, um, Rebels, right? And it's about this young Jedi, um, uh, Ezra, Ezra, right? So now they're doing a live ... Guys, I ... Try to stay with me for two seconds.

Matt Serra 17:25 (laughs)

Din Thomas 17:25 So now the live action comes out, right? And Ezra, at the end of the series, Ezra fights this guy Thrawn, and he goes through another dimension, and he leaves a fucking hero. And now he's gonna ... Now the next appearance is him live action in this series years later, all right? They make him the biggest cuck in the universe, right? This guy was a fucking Jedi, badass in the cartoon. They ... How about, I'll give you a couple instances, right? They, they get ... They find him, they're on the planet. The, his friend finds him, I forgot her name, but she, she gives him a fucking ... She's like a Mandalorian. She gives, "Here, here's a light saber. Do your thing." Now look, they can't make him look too cool, 'cause he's a dude. They go, "Hey." He goes, "Listen, I don't need the light saber. Uh, the force is my weapon." So already, boo right there.

Matt Serra 18:16 (laughs)

Din Thomas 18:16 Big boo. Really? He's not ... The light sab- they surround him right now, so he's, he's like doing some fucking hippie shit. It's whatever. Next.

Matt Serra 18:24 Who next?

Din Thomas 18:24 This, this, this gets me. Now you'll relate, Dean, you'll relate to this.

Joe Rogan 18:27 Okay, I'm with you.

Din Thomas 18:27 When you ri- ... Listen, now there you have, they have two of these ... He's been on this planet they find them on. They have two of these, uh, horses, these alien horses. It's Ahsoka, the Mandalorian chick and Ezra. So there's three of them riding. On a motorcycle when it's two guys riding. Now the guy in the back, it's called riding bitch.

Matt Serra 18:47 Yeah.

Din Thomas 18:48 (laughs) Who's riding bitch, Ezra.

Matt Serra 18:50 Ezra was-

Din Thomas 18:51 Now is that, is that, now is that just because, you know, it just happens to be ... No. It's m- it's like that on purpose.

Matt Serra 18:56 I get it.

Din Thomas 18:57 Am I going ... I mean, I'm, hold on. I blame it on the zip.

Matt Serra 19:01 I'm in agreement with you.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Here's the thing.

Din Thomas 19:02 I'm about to say Katt Williams-

Joe Rogan 19:03 You can have both.

Matt Serra 19:04 ... that's why they're paying him $400 million or whatever the hell.

Joe Rogan 19:05 Here's the thing. You can have both. You can have a strong woman character and a strong man character.

Din Thomas 19:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Like Conan the Barbarian could be riding on the back of a horse with a chick ri- like at the reins, and no one would question shit.

Din Thomas 19:20 ... on the back of a horse. Well, unless that fucking- Wait, hold on, hold on.

Joe Rogan 19:22 He thinks she's so badass-

Din Thomas 19:23 Cut him in with America on the back of a horse. Fuck that. Unless it's Red Sonja.

Joe Rogan 19:25 But imagine, he thinks she's so badass, he lets her-

Din Thomas 19:28 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yeah, Red Sonja.

Din Thomas 19:29 Yeah. There you go.

Joe Rogan 19:30 But that doesn't matter who it was he was banging?

Din Thomas 19:32 He's gotta be ... Exactly.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Right. He was like-

Din Thomas 19:33 He's gotta be humping the chick to get on the back.

Joe Rogan 19:34 ... The Warrior Lady.

Din Thomas 19:35 Yeah. Yeah. Hold on for- I disagree. I don't think he's riding bitch.

Narrator 19:38 Me either.

Joe Rogan 19:38 I don't think he would either. I, as, as I was saying that, I was like, "I can't defend this." (laughs)

Narrator 19:42 (laughs)

Din Thomas 19:42 (laughs) Yeah. I got you.

Narrator 19:43 He went too deep, too fast.

Din Thomas 19:45 I went too far! (laughs) Yeah, you didn't, you didn't take that out all the way. Yeah. J- j- just fight back. You lost it.

Narrator 19:50 And this is fucking Conan the Barbarian we're talking about.

Joe Rogan 19:51 Okay. Maybe John Wick on the back of a motorcycle killing people while his girl drives.

Din Thomas 19:56 Possibly.

Joe Rogan 19:56 You think- You know what, man? You wouldn't say John Wick's a pussy.

Narrator 19:59 Because ... Well k- you know. He's a very polite guy.

Joe Rogan 20:00 You know what? He can't ... He's undeniable. He cannot be a cuck.

Din Thomas 20:03 There's a big-

Narrator 20:04 Definitely not.

Din Thomas 20:04 There's a big fucking-

Narrator 20:05 But fuck him though.

Din Thomas 20:05 But this guy was ... But, but the guy he's talking about surely was. I mean, I didn't even think he was a badass in the show. Well, I d- but he was a badass in the cartoon. Yeah. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 20:15 Wait a minute.

Din Thomas 20:15 But then you, you see who's-

Joe Rogan 20:16 But, but it's all ... But who, who wrote it though?

Din Thomas 20:18 I, I, I have a problem.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Here's the thing. Like, it's not really Star Wars. It's just this new thing that they use in Star Wars-

Narrator 20:24 It's Disney.

Din Thomas 20:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:24 ... the Star Wars universe.

Narrator 20:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:26 In Star Wars, is Luke Skywalker-

Narrator 20:28 And his, and his company, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:28 And Darth Vader and that's it.

Narrator 20:30 Who? Right, right, right.

Din Thomas 20:30 Who? Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 20:30 It's Obi-Wan Kenobi and C-3PO.

Narrator 20:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:32 Everything else, you're just stealing my money.

Din Thomas 20:34 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 20:35 (laughs)

Din Thomas 20:35 That's the truth. The days-

Narrator 20:37 Pretty much what I think.

Din Thomas 20:38 Like, listen. Right now, Han Solo would be toxic. Han Solo was the fucking P-I-M-P.

Narrator 20:45 Yeah. (laughs)

Din Thomas 20:46 How about when Han Solo's about to go with the fucking carbonite? As a kid watching this, as a kid, oh, it's emotional. He's getting lowered into the fucking carbonite. You don't know if he's gonna survive this thing.

Narrator 20:57 Right.

Din Thomas 20:57 Chewy's sitting there upset. Fucking Lando's being a bit of a ... You know. We're unsure about Lando.

Narrator 21:02 (laughs)

Din Thomas 21:02 And Leia ... Now wait a minute.

Joe Rogan 21:03 He's playing both sides.

Din Thomas 21:04 No, I love my ... I love Lando. He's, he's a badass, but Leia goes to him, "I love you." What the fuck does he say back? Watch this. What does he say back? Could you ... Can you play it or no? Watch this.

Joe Rogan 21:15 He says, "I know."

Narrator 21:16 Huh?

Din Thomas 21:16 Right? Spoilers, Rogan. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:22 (laughs)

Narrator 21:22 (laughs)

Din Thomas 21:22 Watch, watch this. Watch this. Look at that, first of all. Yeah. Watch this.

Narrator 21:31 I love you.

Din Thomas 21:33 (gasps)

Narrator 21:33 I know.

Din Thomas 21:36 (laughs)

Narrator 21:36 (clapping)

Joe Rogan 21:36 Yes! That's my fucking Star Wars! He doesn't know if he's gonna live. He doesn't ... And he does love her. He does. He's the fucking man.

Narrator 21:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:45 (laughs)

Din Thomas 21:45 I love Han Solo. I love ... You will never-

Joe Rogan 21:48 Wait a minute, but-

Din Thomas 21:48 Hey, Ezra, Ezra, take notes.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Matt Serra, former UFC Welterweight Champion, is also a nerd. Oh, yeah.

Din Thomas 21:56 Oh, I am the biggest nerd I know.

Joe Rogan 21:58 A real full on-

Din Thomas 21:58 Hey.

Narrator 21:58 100%.

Joe Rogan 21:59 ... full on nerd.

Din Thomas 22:00 Can I ... First of all, can I ... First, can I thank you now? 'Cause listen. This show doesn't come without perks. Listen. I, I was on here geeking about, about the, uh, VR last time.

Narrator 22:08 Yep, yep.

Din Thomas 22:09 So all of a sudden ... You know I love that Pop 1 and I still do. I was just playing it before I got here. Uh, and another guy got in contact with me from Caveman Studios, this guy, Lon. He goes, "Look. I love how enthusiastic you are. Try this game in, in, in, uh, beta testing." So, uh, so it's out ... It's not even out yet. It's coming out at the end of the month. Contractors Showdown. Fucking money! I don't play anything but Pop 1. Am I getting off the subject? We should talk about MMA.

Narrator 22:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:34 Now we're talking about it.

Narrator 22:34 I haven't even got to MMA yet. We're off subject. (laughs)

Din Thomas 22:37 (laughs) Yeah. Right? Listen, listen. Holy shit. It's, it's like, um, uh, it's like War Zone. It's like, uh, Call of Duty: War Zone. I love the b- I love the battle royale format where it's like a squad and then everybody gets brought in together and you gotta take each other out. It's cool. That's kind ... That's Pop 1. Technically, it's Fortnite. Not to sound like a nerd. This shit! Contractors Showdown! Fucking nerdgasm. I love it.

Narrator 23:00 Nerdgasm. (laughs)

Din Thomas 23:00 It's so much fun.

Narrator 23:01 (laughs)

Din Thomas 23:01 It is, it's-

Narrator 23:02 Is that a new word?

Joe Rogan 23:03 Guys-

Narrator 23:04 So you're parachute in on people?

Din Thomas 23:05 Now listen, this the deal. You parachute out-

Narrator 23:07 Right.

Din Thomas 23:07 You pick a ... You, you ... Now, when you go, you loot up, right? You get money, you get shit.

Narrator 23:11 You wrap your hands? What the fuck?

Din Thomas 23:12 Well, you, you ... Yeah. He had, he had ... He must've had some damage. He had to heal up a little bit. So then you, you get guns-

Joe Rogan 23:17 So you're fixing to go to war. You got money.

Din Thomas 23:19 You, you, yeah. You get your boys and then you're like, "Look." No, I don't know about that nerd, but look.

Narrator 23:22 (laughs)

Din Thomas 23:23 Look, we're here. Now look. All right. Now that you ... You see the perimeter. Dude, everybody gets brought in. You get scopes, you put it on. You get money, you could buy stuff to put it on. And you're taking these guys out. You're sniping them. It-

Joe Rogan 23:33 And this is all in virtual reality?

Din Thomas 23:34 It's in virtual reality. It's fucking cool, dude.

Narrator 23:38 (snorts)

Joe Rogan 23:38 That guy likes it.

Narrator 23:38 This is good. You should get a new job reviewing VR games.

Joe Rogan 23:41 That's not a bad idea, actually.

Narrator 23:42 Imagine.

Din Thomas 23:42 It's so much fun.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Imagine if you had a YouTube channel-

Narrator 23:44 People would love watching him review a game.

Joe Rogan 23:46 That's ac- That's actually a great idea.

Din Thomas 23:47 He ... Imagine. He wouldn't do it though, but-

Narrator 23:49 Oh my God. You don't have-

Joe Rogan 23:50 Get a YouTube channel. Yeah.

Narrator 23:51 Just, just video him playing the game.

Din Thomas 23:52 I ... Just, yeah. For the love of the game.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Just get someone, just get someone wanting to film him.

Din Thomas 23:55 Just video him playing the game. Yeah, that's it.

Narrator 23:55 I don't know if he'll do it, but get someone to do it.

Joe Rogan 23:57 That's a fun game. I'm telling you.

Narrator 23:58 You should get the UFC to do that.

Joe Rogan 24:00 Get the-

Din Thomas 24:00 Yeah.

Narrator 24:01 U- d- do you still do the thing with Jimmy?

Din Thomas 24:03 Yeah, man.

Narrator 24:04 Okay. So-

Din Thomas 24:04 Jimmy, me and Jimmy twice a week on UFC Unfiltered.

Narrator 24:07 Why don't-

Joe Rogan 24:08 (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:09 Why am I playing it? Why are you guys laughing at that?

Narrator 24:11 It's awesome. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:13 (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:13 (laughs)

Narrator 24:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:13 Why don't you get the UFC to do ... To, to just film you doing that too as well?

Din Thomas 24:18 I don't know. Dana, are you listening, motherfucker?

Joe Rogan 24:20 (laughs)

Narrator 24:21 (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:22 It's a great, it's a great idea.

Narrator 24:23 I think so.

Din Thomas 24:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:23 Like, dude, it's a no miss.

Din Thomas 24:25 No.

Joe Rogan 24:25 You, you'd be fucking awesome at that.

Din Thomas 24:27 Ah, we're gonna have fun.

Joe Rogan 24:27 You, you really love these things. Your character.

Narrator 24:30 That's what I'm saying. He's so passionate. Yeah! That's my-

Din Thomas 24:30 I mean, look how enthusiastic he is about it anyway. Just-

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah, you should 100% be reviewing games.

Din Thomas 24:35 You know what? It's so funny 'cause that could be very sad normally when a 50-year-old's fucking ... I'm gonna be 50 this year. And it's like-

Narrator 24:41 Yeah. (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:41 Last time I was on here, they did a thing called My Dad is a Gamer and it had me on there fucking being sick.

Narrator 24:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:46 (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:46 My d- my daughters watched. My, my daughter watched it.

Narrator 24:49 That's awesome. (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:49 But, uh, no, I love that shit. It's fun.

Joe Rogan 24:52 It's fun.

Din Thomas 24:52 It's f- it's harmless. It's fun.

Narrator 24:53 Since I've known you, you've been on it. (laughs)

Din Thomas 24:55 Yeah. (laughs) That was back in-

Joe Rogan 24:56 I don't ... It's harmless if you can control it, but, but you ... They're so fun-

Din Thomas 25:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:00 ... you'll wind up wasting your whole life playing video games.

Din Thomas 25:03 Well, that's why ... My thing is, it's like getting a f- ... Everything's about balance, like, like passing the god, you know?

Narrator 25:08 Yeah.

Din Thomas 25:08 Like I, I go, I, I feel like I deserve it at the end of the day. If I go, I do a 7:00 AM class, I fucking do my podcast, I go back, I'm rolling with my wife, my ... I had a full day. You know what? I deserve-... two hours, or no, an hour.

25:22 (laughs)

25:22 A couple games, whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Three hours. Yeah, no, you definitely do.

Din Thomas 25:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:24 But you're a disciplined man.

Din Thomas 25:26 Well, it's fun, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 25:27 But you're a disciplined man.

Din Thomas 25:28 Most people don't have that type of discipline.

Joe Rogan 25:30 Yeah. Yeah.

Din Thomas 25:30 Come on.

Joe Rogan 25:30 But you're an accomplished martial artist. You're a f- you run a business. You have a family.

Din Thomas 25:36 It's so much fun.

Joe Rogan 25:36 You're- you're a disciplined man. If you were just a fucking dorky kid-

Din Thomas 25:40 Oh, no, yeah. It all could be a problem.

Joe Rogan 25:42 ... you know, who just has a job, and you just come home from that job.

Din Thomas 25:45 If you like... No, if you got a life, you got a life, otherwise, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 25:46 And that's all you fucking do.

Din Thomas 25:47 What, it's the same thing with the reefer. Like, if you're a c- a guy doing stuff every day, and you're- and you're smoking, that, it could help you.

Joe Rogan 25:54 Yes.

Din Thomas 25:54 But if you're like in that commercial when, hold on, they're blowing the shit out the window, "Hey Ma, I, the guy's gonna call me back! I- I left a message for the job!"

Joe Rogan 26:02 (laughs)

Din Thomas 26:03 I- that's a problem.

Joe Rogan 26:03 (laughs)

Din Thomas 26:04 Like, you know what I mean?

26:05 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:05 (laughs)

Din Thomas 26:05 You're 30 years old, you're living at home, you're fucking... But, you know, everything in, uh, is how you use it. There, back to... What is that?

Joe Rogan 26:13 It's a Star Wars mod for Contractors.

Din Thomas 26:15 You know what, no, listen.

Joe Rogan 26:15 And women always win.

Din Thomas 26:16 Dude, there is Contractors-

Joe Rogan 26:16 You gotta be a woman character.

Din Thomas 26:18 (laughs)

26:19 What is it now?

Joe Rogan 26:20 He said you gotta be a woman character 'cause the women always win.

Din Thomas 26:23 (laughs)

26:23 Yeah. (laughs) Contractors is, uh, another, is a game that, it's, uh, been out forever. I don't, I'm not really into it, but the Contractors Showdown is coming out at the end of the month and is fun. It, that's the battle royale version, (laughs) nerd.

Joe Rogan 26:35 (laughs)

Din Thomas 26:35 I gotta, you know, I catch my, my wife hears me talking about this online, and she's like, "You fucking have no idea." (laughs) You know she loves me, but, uh, it's fucking ... it could be a turn off, I'm sure. (laughs)

26:46 (laughs)

26:46 I don't care, I don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yeah, I don't think it turns them on. It's not a, it's not a panty dropper.

Din Thomas 26:49 I'm sure it's not getting us, it's not a fucking- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:51 It's not the ultimate panty dropper.

Din Thomas 26:52 I was trying to suck them in a polite way, and that was the right way, you know?

26:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:56 (laughs)

Din Thomas 26:56 (laughs)

26:56 You know what fuck it is? Hold on.

Joe Rogan 26:59 Oh, here you go. Oh, look at that.

Din Thomas 27:01 Yeah. It is. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Look at the abs, son.

Din Thomas 27:03 Touch that! Fuck it, don't fuck with us.

27:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:05 (laughs)

Din Thomas 27:05 (laughs)

27:06 No, no, it's... I'm back to gluten free.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Yeah?

Din Thomas 27:09 I think this zen thing is making me crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:10 It's making you crazy. It's, it's hyping you up.

Din Thomas 27:13 It doesn't though.

Joe Rogan 27:13 That's great. It's good. It's good, but not-

Din Thomas 27:14 But it did, it was good. It was good.

27:15 I know, but not-

Joe Rogan 27:16 I'm gonna give you another one in five minutes.

Din Thomas 27:18 But not, but not to mention-

27:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:19 No, don't do that.

Din Thomas 27:19 ... the real, the problem is this. The problem is this.

Joe Rogan 27:22 Step on the accelerator.

Din Thomas 27:23 I start the day, me and him went out to eat last night, we went to the, uh, the Brazilian joint. And I, and I didn't eat since, 'cause I gotta clear out, 'cause I gotta, you know, I got issues, you know? So I had, I had, I woke up and I had the water, and I had a double shot of espresso. And I don't wanna be, and I was a little down last night because I ate, I had too much of whatever's edible.

Joe Rogan 27:41 Edible. (laughs)

Din Thomas 27:41 Edible. Okay? Uh, so I was a little, like, I hope I'm not like this tomorrow. So I had a five-hour ENERGY.

Joe Rogan 27:47 Yeah.

Din Thomas 27:47 And now I had that and the coffee, so this is what you get.

27:49 Oh, it's on. It's on.

Joe Rogan 27:50 It's on.

Din Thomas 27:51 Oh, I'm having fun. You were talking about making-

27:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:54 (laughs)

Din Thomas 27:54 You were talking about coming up with a name for us.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Yeah, we need a name.

Din Thomas 27:57 Yeah, would need a, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 27:58 We need a name.

Din Thomas 27:59 A cool Star Wars name.

Joe Rogan 28:02 (laughs)

Din Thomas 28:03 (laughs)

28:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:03 Nerdgasm.

Din Thomas 28:04 You guys are fucking... You guys are parents.

28:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:05 How about we just call it cucks?

Din Thomas 28:07 Yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

28:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:08 Just, just so no one can say shit about us.

Din Thomas 28:11 That's not bad.

Joe Rogan 28:12 That's not bad, cucks.

Din Thomas 28:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:14 That's actually kinda funny.

Din Thomas 28:16 (laughs)

28:16 I was gonna say like the OGs, but that's too serious, I guess.

Joe Rogan 28:18 That's too serious. Cucks, cucks might actually work.

Din Thomas 28:21 I like cucks.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Cucks, cucks. (laughs)

Din Thomas 28:22 It's not bad.

Joe Rogan 28:23 Cucks!

Din Thomas 28:23 It's not bad.

Joe Rogan 28:25 'Cause it's so ridiculous.

Din Thomas 28:26 It's kinda, well, it's ki- it is ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 28:27 Yeah.

Din Thomas 28:28 You know? Uh, you wanna be cucks?

Joe Rogan 28:30 I kinda like it.

Din Thomas 28:31 I don't wanna be a cuck.

28:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:32 I think I'm kinda enjoying that.

Din Thomas 28:33 Yeah, being a cuck. Yeah, I'm a cuck.

28:34 Cucks is not bad.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Let's, let's placeholder it, put it aside.

Din Thomas 28:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:37 Put a bookmark on it, come back to it later in the day, see how we feel in an hour. (laughs)

Din Thomas 28:42 (laughs)

28:42 Should we take a poll? What is your, what is your-

Joe Rogan 28:45 No, you don't wanna let the people be involved, they're gonna hijack that shit, and we're gonna be cucks for sure.

Din Thomas 28:49 Oh, I meant, yeah.

28:50 (laughs) Good lord.

28:51 100% they're saying cucks.

Joe Rogan 28:52 It will, that will not be a fair vote.

Din Thomas 28:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:55 They, they would try to get us.

Din Thomas 28:57 Johnny, you had one first. You were like the Four Horsemen. Oh Jesus, that was a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 29:02 The Four Horsemen?

Din Thomas 29:03 I have, I have, I have a weird memory. I remember weird shit.

29:05 Yeah, that was... (laughs)

29:06 'Cause I remember, I remembered on the furthest thing from a horseman.

29:09 (laughs)

29:09 I'm not exactly a fucking Dothraki horseman.

29:11 You need to get on a horse.

Joe Rogan 29:12 (laughs)

Din Thomas 29:13 Yeah, I don't know.

29:13 A lot of help.

29:14 You know what the problem is? You'll be on a stallion and me and Joe will be on, like, ponies and shit.

29:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:18 I'd be on a mule.

Din Thomas 29:19 You'd be on a mini horse.

Joe Rogan 29:20 I wanna be on a sturdy mule.

Din Thomas 29:24 (laughs)

29:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:24 (laughs)

Din Thomas 29:24 I was watching a, I was watching a mule biting a fucking hyena, pulling him around a fucking-

Joe Rogan 29:29 Oh.

Din Thomas 29:30 Dude, they use them to bite wolves and coyotes.

29:33 Yeah, no shit.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Oh, yeah.

Din Thomas 29:34 You think a hyena would wanna get on-

29:34 Yeah, well, wolves are mean, man. They're fucking mean.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Ponies?

Din Thomas 29:36 They're smart, mules.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Yeah, yeah.

Din Thomas 29:37 Mules.

29:38 Mules.

Joe Rogan 29:38 Yeah.

Din Thomas 29:38 They'll use them to, like, protect the herd and shit.

29:40 What?

Joe Rogan 29:41 They-

Din Thomas 29:41 For real.

Joe Rogan 29:41 Mules are so much smarter than horses. Like, people like them when they travel through the mountains 'cause a mule won't go anywhere where it's not safe.

Din Thomas 29:48 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:49 A mule will go, "Uh-uh, bitch. We're not, I'm not-"

Din Thomas 29:50 I know better.

Joe Rogan 29:51 "Yeah, I know better. I'm not going over there."

Din Thomas 29:52 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Like that, that edge is too steep, we'll, we're falling. And so a horse-

Din Thomas 29:56 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 29:57 ... is just like... (imitates horsey noises)

Din Thomas 29:59 (laughs)

29:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:00 Horses just go right off the edge, man.

Din Thomas 30:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:03 They just listen.

Din Thomas 30:04 You gotta not stand behind those motherfuckers though.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Horses?

Din Thomas 30:07 Whoop. No. Why?

Joe Rogan 30:08 Either one of them.

Din Thomas 30:08 A mule?

Joe Rogan 30:09 Either one. A horse will kick you. Oh my God, I actually watched a horse kill another horse.

Din Thomas 30:13 Man, I can't imagine.

30:13 No.

Joe Rogan 30:13 We had a video go online.

Din Thomas 30:15 Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 30:16 That's crazy.

Din Thomas 30:17 I'm gonna spit out my coffee.

Joe Rogan 30:18 That's a donkey.

Din Thomas 30:19 Yeah, donkeys-

30:19 Oh, what'd I say?

30:20 They don't fuck around.

Joe Rogan 30:21 A mule, um, a mule. A mule is a cross-

Din Thomas 30:22 Oh, what's the, what's the difference? They're the same.

Joe Rogan 30:23 A mule is a cross between a horse and a donkey.

Din Thomas 30:25 Look at this.

Joe Rogan 30:26 And they're, they're not viable.

Din Thomas 30:27 Yeah, but wouldn't you think that the hyena would fuck this thing up?

30:29 Really?

Joe Rogan 30:29 Yeah. Yeah, you would think so, but it looks like that hyena's fucking tranquilized.

Din Thomas 30:35 Some bit.

Joe Rogan 30:35 'Cause they're videotaping this.

Din Thomas 30:37 It's so, they almost look like they're playing.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah, maybe it does look like they're playing. I mean, that doesn't seem very playful.

Din Thomas 30:43 Not for me, not for me.

Joe Rogan 30:44 That seems pretty violent on the, on the donkey's part.

Din Thomas 30:47 It's like Hawaii playing, but he's not...

Joe Rogan 30:48 I don't know, man. I don't think they play like that.

Din Thomas 30:52 They bite back.

30:53 That's not, that's not-

Joe Rogan 30:54 I think it recognizes, I think it recognizes that's a predator and it wants it the fuck away from it.

Din Thomas 30:57 It's an epic.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Yeah, that's what I think it is, man. And that thing's trying to bite it. Like, what is going on here?

Din Thomas 31:02 It's fi- it's, it's a, it's three and a half, four minutes of it.

Joe Rogan 31:04 Bro, this is some gay shit.

Din Thomas 31:05 I know, right? (laughs)

31:07 (laughs)

31:07 They're sniffing assholes.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Maybe they are friends, maybe I'm out of line.

Din Thomas 31:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:10 Maybe they're friends. Maybe the hyena and the donkey will get along, but probably not... (laughs) They're fucking predator and prey animals.

Din Thomas 31:18 Yeah, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:20 But if they kick you, man... So there was a video of these, uh-... beautiful horses, man. And they're in this corral, and this one horse just starts kicking, and he just kicks the other horse in the head.

Din Thomas 31:30 Huh.

Narrator 31:31 And the head-

Din Thomas 31:31 And it dies?

Joe Rogan 31:32 It dies. It's just-

Din Thomas 31:33 Like, the, it dies right then and there?

Joe Rogan 31:34 It dies like he got shot, like, plow.

Din Thomas 31:36 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:37 Just falls down, legs stiff.

Din Thomas 31:39 All I-

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah.

Din Thomas 31:39 ... all I do when I'm-

Joe Rogan 31:40 Killed it.

Din Thomas 31:41 ... st- there's times I'm in the fucking bathroom, like an hour in a clip in the middle of the night, all I do is watch those fucking Animals On Animals fucking-

31:48 Nature Is Metal.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah. Yeah.

Din Thomas 31:49 I, I, something you wanna watch-

Joe Rogan 31:51 You can, you can do that shit too.

Din Thomas 31:51 You know on the Facebook videos-

Joe Rogan 31:52 Yeah.

Din Thomas 31:52 ... I'm either watching, like, (laughs) the WorldStarHipHop fights. I watch that more than regular fights. (laughs)

31:57 I don't know why.

31:57 Well, because they're more fun.

Narrator 31:59 It's entertaining.

Joe Rogan 31:59 Yo, I saw one today, I don't think we can play it. It, it probably violates rules, but this dude is on the ground, and he's basically, like, fighting, this guy's got a helmet on. It looks like there was some sort of a traffic altercation. And the guy who's on the ground has a dude, and he's, like, setting up a heel hook, and the guy's trying to attack him. And then the other guy comes over and punches him, and then they separate them. And when they separated them, the dude who's on the ground was, like, holding the guy like he's gonna set up a heel hook, pulls a gun out and shoots him in the dick.

Din Thomas 32:27 No!

32:27 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Yes. Just like this. Ch, boom! Shoots him in the dick.

Din Thomas 32:33 Oh.

32:35 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 32:36 Bro, it's rough.

Din Thomas 32:37 Does-

Joe Rogan 32:37 Wanna watch it?

Narrator 32:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:39 (laughs)

Din Thomas 32:39 (laughs)

32:40 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 32:41 100%.

Din Thomas 32:42 You know, there's some things you can't unsee.

Narrator 32:44 Yeah, but-

Din Thomas 32:45 I thought you'd never ask.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Yeah, but you gotta see this.

Din Thomas 32:47 It's so funny, man.

Joe Rogan 32:48 You gotta see it because I had to watch it 'cause it's, it's, uh, Instagram reel. I had to watch it a couple of times-

Din Thomas 32:54 (sighs) Fucking wait so long for it.

32:54 I alwa-

Joe Rogan 32:54 ... just to try to figure out what exactly was going on.

Din Thomas 32:58 I always like to see what's, what's going on out there, you know?

33:01 Oh, that's-

33:01 I always like to-

Narrator 33:02 Is it this video, Joe?

Joe Rogan 33:04 No, no, hold on a second.

Din Thomas 33:05 Oh, good, get us-

Joe Rogan 33:05 Here it is. I found it. Here, I got it.

Din Thomas 33:06 Get us scarred with some other shit, Jamie. (laughs)

33:09 (laughs)

33:10 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:11 Here, hold on a second. Hang on a second.

Din Thomas 33:14 Was this chick up there last time-

33:16 I can find this.

33:16 ... or am I fucking crazy?

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah, she's always on. Okay, I sent it to you. Oh, this? Okay, this is the horse. Watch this.

Din Thomas 33:21 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 33:22 So this horse, he just kicks-

Din Thomas 33:23 Oh!

33:24 Oh!

Joe Rogan 33:24 ... that horse in the head, boom, dead.

Din Thomas 33:25 Damn.

33:26 Is it dead?

Joe Rogan 33:26 Yup, dead. Look at its legs.

Din Thomas 33:28 Good lord.

Joe Rogan 33:28 It died. Look at his legs.

Din Thomas 33:31 His- Oh.

33:32 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:33 Yup. Bro, you get hit by one of those, you might as well get shot. That's a hoof at the end of a-

Din Thomas 33:39 What a chain (fingers snapping) 1,800-pound beast.

33:41 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 33:41 Yo, what a b- did, now, I don't- Okay, now it showed the guy getting shot in the dick.

Din Thomas 33:44 All right.

33:44 Now, what a, did you ever try horse-

Joe Rogan 33:45 (laughs)

Din Thomas 33:45 Did you ever try horse meat, by the way?

Joe Rogan 33:47 Yes.

Din Thomas 33:47 They, how was it?

33:47 Is it good?

Joe Rogan 33:48 It tastes like wild game. I tried it in Montreal. There's this amazing restaurant in Montreal called Joe Beef and, uh, me, me and Duncan and Ari ate there. And they, they served you, uh, they had, um, a horse tartare, so it's essentially raw horse. And then they had, like, a horse filet. They served this horse filet. I was like, "Wow, this is weird."

Din Thomas 34:08 You know who used to eat horse meat? Patrick Cote. Remember when he was in the house?

Joe Rogan 34:11 Pat-

Din Thomas 34:11 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 34:11 At his show?

Din Thomas 34:12 Yeah, yeah. We used to get a, a list of what we could put on there-

34:15 Oh, no.

34:15 ... what we wanted, and he put horse meat on his list, and we were like, "What the fuck?"

34:18 Smart.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Yeah, yeah.

Din Thomas 34:18 He knew nobody would fuck with it.

34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:20 That's all those dudes up north in, in Canada, you know? He's a Montreal guy.

Din Thomas 34:23 I almost, I almost don't wanna see this, bro.

Joe Rogan 34:24 So yeah, you do, yeah, you do, so watch this.

Din Thomas 34:26 Why are you saying that?

Joe Rogan 34:27 So this guy-

Din Thomas 34:28 This has gotta be Brazil.

Narrator 34:29 I think it might be.

Joe Rogan 34:30 I don't know, but look. See, the other guy comes over-

Din Thomas 34:31 Oh, sweet.

Joe Rogan 34:31 ... kicks him, they push him away. Now, watch this. Keep an eye on the guy on the bottom.

Din Thomas 34:39 He's got a gun?

Joe Rogan 34:40 Yeah, watch here. Come on man, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!

Din Thomas 34:44 Ah!

34:46 Oh!

Joe Rogan 34:47 Fuck!

Din Thomas 34:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:48 Wait, is he still fighting? No, no, it starts over.

Din Thomas 34:50 It starts over every round.

34:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Whoa.

Din Thomas 34:52 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 34:53 I mean, he's-

Din Thomas 34:54 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 34:54 ... he's a eunuch.

Din Thomas 34:55 Whoa, Jesus.

34:58 And the best is it looks like they're doing a little love, all right, they might be blue belt lovers.

Joe Rogan 35:01 I was-

Din Thomas 35:02 We got two-

35:02 I was about to say, yeah, you, that's definitely Brazil.

35:03 He swept him once.

Joe Rogan 35:04 (laughs)

Din Thomas 35:04 That guy's got a stripe or two on his belt.

Joe Rogan 35:05 But I don't think that could be just only this.

Din Thomas 35:07 Ah!

35:08 Oh, fuck!

Narrator 35:09 Damn.

Din Thomas 35:09 Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 35:10 Bro, bro, bro, bro.

Din Thomas 35:12 Dude, keep that shit between you and Tom Segura.

Joe Rogan 35:14 (laughs)

Din Thomas 35:14 I don't need to see that shit.

35:16 (laughs)

Narrator 35:16 (laughs)

Din Thomas 35:16 I don't wanna be part of that fucking test.

35:18 (laughs) Ah, man, that shit hurt me. It hurt me just to watch it.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Yeah.

Din Thomas 35:21 Fuck.

35:22 Oh, no.

35:23 You gotta wonder what other damage that did.

Joe Rogan 35:25 Oh, that's, does, it's over.

Din Thomas 35:27 Over what other damage? This guy lost his dick, Raul. Yeah. (laughs) What do you want, what damage are you looking at?

35:30 I think he lost everything.

Joe Rogan 35:31 He lost a lot. That bullet probably blew his hip apart.

Din Thomas 35:34 Could've ripped his fucking spine out.

35:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:36 Sniffed and got into his organs.

Din Thomas 35:37 You gotta, you gotta really-

Joe Rogan 35:38 His liver.

Din Thomas 35:39 ... try to avoid everything in the street.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Everything, everything.

Din Thomas 35:42 That's what I always tell Dean Thomas, the troublemaker.

Joe Rogan 35:44 What?

Din Thomas 35:44 Die!

Narrator 35:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:46 (laughs)

Din Thomas 35:46 I always gotta stop him from fighting.

Joe Rogan 35:48 It's not true.

Din Thomas 35:49 (laughs)

35:49 Dean does mellow me out, though.

35:50 Yeah.

John Rallo 35:51 He does mellow me out.

Din Thomas 35:51 I gotta stop him, every time we do a show, he get to, almost gets in a fight.

John Rallo 35:54 No, I'm-

Din Thomas 35:54 We all, first of all, no, that's not... First of all, not true.

Narrator 35:57 (laughs)

Din Thomas 35:57 But second of all, we, we did, it didn't come out yet, but we did that fucking cold plunge on that fucking show. Let me ask you- Yeah, we did. ... something about the degrees of that 'cause I'm gonna about, I'm thinking about adding this into my routine. The cold plunge? I swear, man, 'cause I start my day with a steam, I'm thinking about putting it, a little, a, a small one in my locker room upstairs in my thing. But it was fucking brutal is what it was. When we did it, it was 32 degrees. 34. Okay, I'm trying to make it worse. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:25 (laughs)

Din Thomas 36:25 All right, 32 degrees.

36:26 You're looking for 30.

Narrator 36:28 30 before is over with.

Din Thomas 36:28 34 for three minutes. It was 34. Is that, is that pussy shit?

Joe Rogan 36:30 No, that's normal. Yeah, that's what I do every day.

Din Thomas 36:33 Normal?

Joe Rogan 36:34 34? 34, three minutes every day.

Din Thomas 36:35 God. That was fucking... All right, listen.

Joe Rogan 36:36 I do it before my workout.

Din Thomas 36:37 But did you... All right, let me, next question is did you build up to that?

Joe Rogan 36:40 Yes.

Din Thomas 36:41 Like, "Wow."

Joe Rogan 36:41 In two days.

Din Thomas 36:41 So there we... All right, no, it took you, it took you two days to build up to that?

Joe Rogan 36:45 And then the third, third day I did 20 minutes.

Din Thomas 36:47 Stop.

Joe Rogan 36:47 No, I did. I, I filmed it. I put it on Instagram.

Din Thomas 36:50 At 34?

Joe Rogan 36:50 At 34.

Din Thomas 36:50 34 degrees?

Joe Rogan 36:51 Yeah, I wanted to see how long I could go.

Din Thomas 36:52 That's pretty crazy.

36:53 Well, see, but that's different if somebody-

Narrator 36:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:55 ... watched?

Din Thomas 36:55 All I know is, now-

Joe Rogan 36:56 Before you pass out or something?

Din Thomas 36:56 ... nobody's watching. We handled it differently, he, like- Yeah, we sure did. He was quiet, and then once in a while, you'd hear, like, a Goggins come out of him, like, "I can handle this!" And fucking-

37:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:05 (laughs)

Din Thomas 37:05 "I have to terry the boats," and all that shit.

Narrator 37:08 (laughs)

Din Thomas 37:08 And I'm fucking... I just wouldn't shut the fuck up. He wouldn't shut the fuck up. I was, I was thinking to myself, like, "Will he shut the fuck up? I can't concentrate in this mother-" I, I, I had to keep myself... I wanted to jump the fuck out. And Dana was right there and-

37:20 Did he do it?

37:21 Yeah, he did it. He, he-

37:22 How long?

37:23 (sighs) He... I, he- Well, he does it every day.

37:24 He does. That's right, that's right, that's right.

37:26 I'm pretty sure, he told me he does it at, like, 50 degrees or something. Yeah.

37:29 All right.

37:29 What the fuck is happening?

37:30 Is it okay to do it at 50 degrees?

Joe Rogan 37:31 Yeah, it's okay.

Din Thomas 37:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:32 Yeah, look, it's still cold.

Din Thomas 37:34 You kinda gotta stay in her locker.

37:34 Well, I'd do that.

Joe Rogan 37:34 I just don't, I don't think it has the same amount of an effect probably.... but I'm just guessing. It might be the same thing. Like, if you did, like, 50 degrees for, like, five minutes, maybe that, that's the same as, like, 34 degrees for three minutes or two minutes. I don't know. I don't know.

Din Thomas 37:50 Well, then I'll do that.

Joe Rogan 37:51 Maybe.

Din Thomas 37:52 It was brutal.

Joe Rogan 37:53 I kind of like, I like the part where I don't wanna do it and then I do it. (Joe inhales deeply) I like that.

Din Thomas 37:57 Yeah, and you do it in the morning?

Joe Rogan 37:58 First thing.

Din Thomas 37:59 Like, how do you do that in the morning?

Joe Rogan 38:00 'Cause that's what, what-

Din Thomas 38:00 Like, that's the last thing that I wanna do-

Joe Rogan 38:02 Exactly.

Din Thomas 38:02 ... when I wake up.

John Rallo 38:03 Probably the best time.

Joe Rogan 38:04 Exactly, exactly. That's why you do it. You do it, it's easy. It's an easy win.

Din Thomas 38:08 It's over and done.

Joe Rogan 38:08 It's an easy win.

Din Thomas 38:09 It's an easy win.

John Rallo 38:09 Imagine if all day-

Din Thomas 38:10 Easy win.

John Rallo 38:10 Oh, if all day you were thinking about, "Oh, I gotta do it. I gotta get it in and get it done."

Joe Rogan 38:14 It's also, you know you don't wanna do it and yet you did it, so it's an easy win.

Din Thomas 38:19 Well, I felt like that when I-

Joe Rogan 38:20 You stack it up.

Din Thomas 38:20 ... after we finished.

Joe Rogan 38:22 Yeah.

Din Thomas 38:22 So I bought one, but I purposely didn't put it together yet.

John Rallo 38:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:25 (laughs)

Din Thomas 38:25 So just, just so I didn't have to do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:27 Just got it?

Din Thomas 38:28 Just so I didn't have to look at that motherfucker-

John Rallo 38:29 You totally gonna do.

Din Thomas 38:29 ... and make myself look like a bitch.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Ah.

Din Thomas 38:32 (laughs)

John Rallo 38:32 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 38:33 I think it's an easy thing to add to my morning routine.

Din Thomas 38:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:36 'Cause I have a nice routine as it is. I start, like, at 7:00 AM. I do that to class. I get up at 5:00. I get there early, I get my head straight and I get in the steam. That nice steam after that. So, so I don't s- I s- You know, I like getting my head straight, but I don't like smelling bad, so I like to s- Like, afterwards, I'm just, I'm in the-

John Rallo 38:51 Yeah.

Din Thomas 38:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:52 I'm Zen mode, man. And I'm caffeined up.

John Rallo 38:54 Now you're in zen mode. (laughs)

Din Thomas 38:58 (laughs) I see what you did there.

Joe Rogan 38:59 Boobs.

Din Thomas 38:59 I like that. I, I might get into that shit. I like it, as long as I'm not fucking craving, like, Marlboros if I get off this shit or something.

John Rallo 39:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:08 (laughs)

Din Thomas 39:08 I'm not gonna wanna fucking want nicotine, am I? Or need it?

Joe Rogan 39:11 Well, just don't get it.

Din Thomas 39:14 What?

Joe Rogan 39:14 Don't get more of it.

Din Thomas 39:16 Mm-hmm.

John Rallo 39:16 Mm-hmm.

Din Thomas 39:16 You see he's saying if I stop the zen-

John Rallo 39:18 (laughs)

Din Thomas 39:18 ... am I gonna want more of it?

John Rallo 39:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:20 Well, y- I don't know how your body works, but a lot of people get addicted to it.

Din Thomas 39:24 Well, thanks for turning me on to it, you fucking crack pusher.

John Rallo 39:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:27 (laughs)

Din Thomas 39:28 Thank you. I-

Joe Rogan 39:29 But it's good for you.

Din Thomas 39:29 Is it good for you, though?

Joe Rogan 39:30 I think it's good for your brain.

Din Thomas 39:31 Well, then there you go. I'm on it.

Joe Rogan 39:33 Yeah.

Din Thomas 39:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:34 But, but I think, you know, you gotta be careful if you're one of those guys.

Din Thomas 39:37 Well, I'm, I wa-

John Rallo 39:38 (laughs)

Din Thomas 39:38 I mean, how many of them do you take a day?

Joe Rogan 39:39 (clears throat)

John Rallo 39:40 These are what I found on the internet.

Din Thomas 39:41 Yeah, talk to me, Jamie. Look out for me.

Joe Rogan 39:42 Nicotine prevents the formation-

John Rallo 39:45 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 39:45 ... uh, in the test tube of protein clumps linked to Al... There it is. Okay, this is the thing. So, "Nicotine prevents the formation in the test tube of protein clumps linked to Alzheimer's disease, scientists announce at a press conference today. The finding may provide a useful starting point for developing drugs that delay or prevent the disease. W- uh, researchers are quick to caution, however, that harmful effects of smoking-

Din Thomas 40:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:07 ... strengthened by a report in Science last week, linking a carcinogen byproduct of cigarette smoke to a specific kind of lung tumor, far outweigh any possible benefit from nicotine in tobacco." So, but, what they're saying is, um, don't smoke. But it's-

Din Thomas 40:19 But the nicotine itself?

Joe Rogan 40:21 Yeah. I think nicotine itself, the, nicotine definitely is a nootropic, right? Like, if you can Google that. So, it's a sub- it's a substance that's been sh- it's shown to enhance cognitive function. It's one of the things that, like, Stephen King said, when he stopped smoking, he said that was one of the hardest things for his writing. He said it was like his synapses didn't fire as fast.

Din Thomas 40:42 Oh, what does it say?

Joe Rogan 40:43 "Nicotine's cognitive effects have gained significant attention in recent decades and some non-smokers have even started using nicotine gum or patches as a nootropic. Uh, research has shown that nicotine can speed up reaction time, improve working memory, and enhance focus and attention."

Din Thomas 40:59 What? Dude.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Yeah.

Din Thomas 41:01 You got me.

Joe Rogan 41:02 (clears throat)

John Rallo 41:02 Yeah.

Din Thomas 41:02 You got me.

Joe Rogan 41:03 What?

Din Thomas 41:04 Watch me in VR now.

John Rallo 41:05 Yeah. I was gonna say-

Din Thomas 41:05 I'm gonna fucking kill everybody.

John Rallo 41:06 ... take it before you play.

Din Thomas 41:07 That's nice, man. I might, I might fuck around with that.

John Rallo 41:09 Interesting, right? Interesting.

Din Thomas 41:11 Yeah, man. As long as it's, I'm interest-

John Rallo 41:13 No, no, I think you gotta pick up, up with a alpha brain.

Joe Rogan 41:14 I'm interested-

Din Thomas 41:15 That's great.

John Rallo 41:15 Yeah.

Din Thomas 41:16 I'm interested in anything that gives you, like, a positive effect-

John Rallo 41:19 Yeah.

Din Thomas 41:19 ... in the brain.

John Rallo 41:20 Like, meh.

Din Thomas 41:21 Or also, what about dick pills? (laughs)

John Rallo 41:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:24 (laughs)

Din Thomas 41:24 Anything that has a positive effect on your life.

John Rallo 41:27 (laughs)

Din Thomas 41:27 You know?

Joe Rogan 41:29 Hmm.

Din Thomas 41:29 It's fun to party.

John Rallo 41:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:31 (laughs)

Din Thomas 41:31 Yeah, I used to take the alpha brain all the time. Then I ran out and forgot.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Oh, we'll get you some.

Din Thomas 41:36 Get it?

Joe Rogan 41:37 We'll get you some. I'll get some sent to you.

John Rallo 41:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:39 But, uh, th- like, all those other ones are really good too. That Neuroone shit, that stuff's great. You can put it into protein shake or you could just drink it by itself, tastes good. There's a bunch of them.

Din Thomas 41:48 How many of the, uh, zen things would you do a day? Like, one?

Joe Rogan 41:51 I-

Din Thomas 41:52 Is that-

Joe Rogan 41:52 It takes me a few days to go through one packet. I don't know how many is in a packet.

Din Thomas 41:57 Oh, so but, would you take more than one a day?

Joe Rogan 41:59 Yeah, I'll take one, two, three a day.

Din Thomas 42:02 Really?

Joe Rogan 42:02 Four a day if I feel like it. Yeah.

Din Thomas 42:04 Okay, and you feel a difference?

Joe Rogan 42:05 But I, yeah, but I do like to know that I can take days off. And I take days off. I'm like, "How I feel? I feel fine. Okay."

Din Thomas 42:11 You do feel fine?

Joe Rogan 42:12 I don't feel weird. I don't feel like-

John Rallo 42:13 Do you use it before, like, a podcast or before you do a show?

Joe Rogan 42:16 Before shows.

John Rallo 42:17 Like-

Joe Rogan 42:17 Yeah.

John Rallo 42:17 ... for that purpose.

Joe Rogan 42:18 I like it during podcasts.

John Rallo 42:19 So you see-

Joe Rogan 42:20 Especially if-

John Rallo 42:20 ... it has to have a, has to have a purpose.

Joe Rogan 42:21 This is also the same reason why I drink coffee-

John Rallo 42:23 Now-

Joe Rogan 42:23 ... a lot. I'm trying to keep my brain, my brain going if I'm talking to really smart people.

Din Thomas 42:27 I was happy when I saw that guy and he was telling me what I should... 'Cause I got my... So I took... Did I tell you? So I took the shit-

John Rallo 42:34 Oh, yeah. The shit in a box.

Joe Rogan 42:35 Yeah.

Din Thomas 42:35 Yes.

John Rallo 42:35 Stop that story. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:37 (laughs)

Din Thomas 42:37 Oh, I'm sorry. Let's get back, yeah, yeah.

John Rallo 42:39 You stopped the shit. You stopped the shit in a box.

Din Thomas 42:39 I'm sorry. All right, so, so I had a... So, after I saw the guy and he, and he gave me the sample, I go, "All right, listen. I'm gonna knock this thing out." It took me a while, it was months before I did it. But then I finally, he's text-

John Rallo 42:49 Now, real, real quick. Does the shit in a box go to a doctor or to the holistic doctor?

Din Thomas 42:54 No, they come and, they come and pick it up and then they go to a lab and he gets the results.

John Rallo 42:57 And search for the doctor's doctor?

Din Thomas 42:59 Why, so he gets the results from it.

John Rallo 43:00 Oh, great.

Joe Rogan 43:01 We wanted to, we wanted to find out what's the definition of holistic.

Din Thomas 43:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:04 'Cause it, the problem might be in just that people have co-opted that term and used that term holistic for a bunch of hippie shit.

Din Thomas 43:12 It, but it's-

Joe Rogan 43:12 But a holistic doctor-

Din Thomas 43:13 I'm telling you, he listed the term-

John Rallo 43:15 It could be a holistic approach.

Din Thomas 43:16 I-

Joe Rogan 43:16 But what is the exact definition of holistic?

Din Thomas 43:18 Listen, and I s- and I could smell bullshit, you know. I mean, when I met the guy, I'm like, again, I was expecting half a hippie and he seemed-

Joe Rogan 43:24 Okay. "Characterized by the belief that the parts of something are interconnected and can be explained only by reference to the whole."

John Rallo 43:31 There's your, there's your medicine definition too.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Well, that's logical. "Characterizes the treatment of the whole person taking into account mental and so- uh, social factors rather than just the symptoms of an illness."

John Rallo 43:40 All right.

Joe Rogan 43:40 "Many people conclude that holistic medicines are beneficial." So, the problem is not, it's the, the, like, when I hear that word holistic, I think bullshit already.

Din Thomas 43:50 No. Yeah, I got you.

John Rallo 43:50 Right, already. Just hippies, fucking...

Joe Rogan 43:52 But like, even, but if you're talking about medicine, it totally makes sense.

John Rallo 43:55 I agree.

Din Thomas 43:55 He was-

Joe Rogan 43:56 It's just it's been co-opted.

Din Thomas 43:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:58 It's like a good word.

Din Thomas 43:59 We were doing a Zoom thing with me, him, and my wife, you know, 'cause-... he wanted her there, 'cause he knows I'm, like, a bad kid, I don't wanna eat vegetables. And I don't know what he's gonna tell me to eat and shit, and I'm a, I don't like eating ve- you know I'm picky in my eating, so-

Joe Rogan 44:12 Right.

Din Thomas 44:12 ... so I was afraid what he was gonna tell me. So when we went on there, he was showing me all the, the stuff that, uh... Well, first let me tell you how I took the shit, first. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:21 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:21 So I, I was afraid of taking-

Joe Rogan 44:24 Try, try and make the shit in your box.

Din Thomas 44:24 ... Joe, I was afraid of taking a shit because you never know how it comes out, and I was really, like-

Joe Rogan 44:29 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:29 ... I didn't know where to do it.

Joe Rogan 44:30 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:30 So I went into my, um, I went to-

Joe Rogan 44:33 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:33 You guys don't have to hear about it, right?

Matt Serra 44:35 (laughs) You're in now, motherfucker.

Din Thomas 44:36 Yeah, so you already thought of the story.

Matt Serra 44:38 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:38 So I go to my school-

Joe Rogan 44:39 It's too late. (laughs)

Matt Serra 44:41 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:41 Listen, I like to keep stuff s- somewhat spicy with me and my wife, so I don't wanna do it at my house. God forbid it goes all over. So I go to my s- my shower at my, my, my, uh, my school, right?

Joe Rogan 44:53 (laughs)

Din Thomas 44:53 And I'm basically... I, I didn't... and I, thank goodness it wasn't all over the place. And I was doing it more of, like, a standing, like I was almost like a rodeo rider or something.

Joe Rogan 45:01 So you're catching it?

Din Thomas 45:02 Yeah, you know? And when it hit-

Joe Rogan 45:03 You really gotta make sure your wrist stays parallel.

Matt Serra 45:05 For real.

Din Thomas 45:05 Yeah, could you imagine?

Joe Rogan 45:06 For real.

Din Thomas 45:06 Can I-

Joe Rogan 45:06 If you get a little accidental dip with your shit-

Din Thomas 45:09 Yeah, I was just-

Joe Rogan 45:09 ... and then you gotta scoop that back-

Matt Serra 45:10 Oh!

Din Thomas 45:10 I was in the shower-

Joe Rogan 45:12 ... up the tile.

Matt Serra 45:12 Ugh.

Din Thomas 45:12 No, but you know what's, you know what's bad about it, is after you take a shit-

Joe Rogan 45:14 Everything.

Din Thomas 45:15 ... everything. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:17 (laughs)

Din Thomas 45:17 Everything's bad. (laughs) Everything. There's nothing good about it.

Matt Serra 45:19 Yeah. (laughs)

Din Thomas 45:20 But I have to know what's going on with my gut. So, (laughs) so after I took the shit, you gotta... It's almost like... And this, it really ruined my love of Nutella, because I used to always like the fucking little scoops with the... 'Cause you gotta take a little spoon in your shit, and he goes, "Make sure you get different sides of it, if there's a watery part or this." I'm, "Oh." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:39 (laughs)

Din Thomas 45:39 And I'm not doing, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 45:40 Oh, God.

Din Thomas 45:41 So I'm in there and you gotta do the dip-

Joe Rogan 45:43 (groans)

Din Thomas 45:43 ... and you gotta put it in a little vial. And gossip is... (laughs) You guys wanted to hear about it.

Matt Serra 45:49 (groaning) (laughs)

Din Thomas 45:51 So after that, you take it, you shake it up, and then you put it in an envelope and you ship it off. So that was the story of that.

Joe Rogan 45:57 All right.

Din Thomas 45:58 And then when they seen, like, the stuff that was highlighted in the red, the red zone, like, what is gonna be affecting my gut?

Matt Serra 46:04 (sniffs)

Din Thomas 46:04 Like I had... I think he said there was, like, a parasite thing in there.

Joe Rogan 46:08 You had spaghetti, you had-

Din Thomas 46:09 Fuck, yeah. Fuck, you're saying ravioli swimming around in it.

Joe Rogan 46:11 You had marinara. (laughs)

Din Thomas 46:12 But, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:12 So you had a parasite?

Din Thomas 46:12 ... it was, there was, like, a parasite.

Joe Rogan 46:14 All right.

Matt Serra 46:15 Well, what, what kind of parasite? It could be a problem.

Din Thomas 46:15 I don't know what the fuck. He goes, "You usually get this something," but you have... He goes, "Do you have animals?" I'm like, "No, I don't fucking have animals. I don't know what the fuck." But there was also, um, like a big bacteria in there, you know? So to clear out that bacteria, I'm drinking a shake, this Thorne-type shake. I don't know, it's called Thorne, but it's that. And then I'm on different supplements from... I don't eat vi- I don't eat vegetables, so there's these, the, the, I got these four green pills I'm take-

Joe Rogan 46:40 Like plenty of supplements.

Din Thomas 46:40 I'm, you know, he's got me on supplements and we'll see how it goes.

Joe Rogan 46:43 Good.

Din Thomas 46:43 It's fresh. It's, it's only, like, a week in (coughs) 'cause it took me forever to do that shit in the box.

Matt Serra 46:48 (gasps)

Joe Rogan 46:48 All right.

Din Thomas 46:48 So I'll let you know how it works. I don't know how it is yet, but I'm about to go through-

Joe Rogan 46:51 Ari Shaffir was on, uh, Legion of Skanks, this podcast they do. So they, they film it live in front of an audience. And Ari had taken a shit in a Tupperware and brought it on stage, and who'd he give it to? Luis Gomez?

Din Thomas 47:05 No. Why?

47:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Who'd he give it to?

Din Thomas 47:07 Big J.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Big J? (laughs)

Din Thomas 47:08 Yeah, birthday surprise.

Joe Rogan 47:09 It was a birthday surprise. (laughs)

Din Thomas 47:10 Oh, no.

Matt Serra 47:11 Oh.

Din Thomas 47:11 No.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Ari is out of his fucking mind, dude. (laughs) So-

Din Thomas 47:14 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 47:14 ... he, he opens up, they open up this Tupperware, and the smell, just (retches) .

Din Thomas 47:18 No, come on now. Oh, that's... Come on, man. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Just (retches) people start running out of the room.

Din Thomas 47:25 Good Lord.

Joe Rogan 47:26 Do they, is there a video of that?

Din Thomas 47:27 I'd love to see that.

47:27 There's nothing worse than the smell of human shit.

47:29 I don't know if they have video.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Especially if it's someone else's.

Din Thomas 47:31 Yeah, right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:32 In a Tupperware for days.

Din Thomas 47:33 Yours is bad enough.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Mine's bad enough.

Din Thomas 47:35 Yeah.

Matt Serra 47:35 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Like, when you take a horrific shit-

Din Thomas 47:38 It's a bit, I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 47:38 ... and then someone in your family goes in there after you, and you're like, "I'm so sorry."

Din Thomas 47:42 (laughs)

John Rallo 47:42 I'm sorry, Menas, but I'm gonna do it. You m- you m- my boy Menas? You met?

Joe Rogan 47:46 Yeah, yeah.

John Rallo 47:46 (clears throat) We were in California, we were hanging out. We hit the, one of them Del Tacos.

Din Thomas 47:54 (laughs)

John Rallo 47:54 So food was fucking all right, he's gotta take a sh- shit. He comes out of the fucking bathroom dry heaving, his eyes watering, from his own shit.

Joe Rogan 48:03 (laughs)

Din Thomas 48:03 (laughs)

John Rallo 48:03 Like, that was the fucking ama-... You know Menas, too, right?

Din Thomas 48:07 I do.

John Rallo 48:07 That, that amazed me. I, I was like-

Din Thomas 48:08 That's insane. (laughs)

John Rallo 48:09 This motherfucker come out, I'm talking, he was like ...

Din Thomas 48:12 His own shit.

John Rallo 48:12 His eyes are watering, it was his own shit, man.

Din Thomas 48:15 What's the name of his diner?

John Rallo 48:16 Valentino's.

Din Thomas 48:17 Love it.

John Rallo 48:18 Yeah, it's awesome.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Bro, that is hilarious. Your own shit is so bad you're dry heaving.

Din Thomas 48:22 Oh, come on. Oh!

Joe Rogan 48:22 Is this, is it?

Din Thomas 48:23 No!

Joe Rogan 48:24 Wait, wait. Go from the beginning. Go from the beginning.

Din Thomas 48:25 (burps)

48:27 Man, shut up and fold. Oh, fuck. (laughs) It's not over easy.

Matt Serra 48:31 I don't think you'll see it.

Din Thomas 48:32 Oh, dude. Oh my god. Oh, dude, I so hurt him. (laughs)

Narrator 48:35 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Oh.

John Rallo 48:37 Jesus.

Din Thomas 48:38 Oh, man.

John Rallo 48:39 Ari makes a big shit.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Look at the smile.

Din Thomas 48:40 Is that Mickey Gall?

John Rallo 48:41 He's so proud, bro.

Joe Rogan 48:42 Yeah, yeah.

John Rallo 48:42 He's so proud right now.

Joe Rogan 48:43 I'm gagging, I'm gagging just looking at that.

Narrator 48:47 That's awesome.

Din Thomas 48:47 (burps)

Joe Rogan 48:47 Oh, damn.

Din Thomas 48:47 Now, that's disgusting.

Joe Rogan 48:48 (laughs)

Din Thomas 48:48 That's Mickey Gall right there.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Yeah.

Din Thomas 48:49 It looked like Mickey Gall.

48:51 That's sick.

Joe Rogan 48:51 I think it is Mickey, I think it is Mickey.

Din Thomas 48:53 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 48:53 Dude, I legit almost threw up.

Din Thomas 48:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Did you see that, Jamie? I legit almost threw up.

Din Thomas 49:00 That's fucking awesome.

John Rallo 49:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:01 I legit... I can't look at that. Get that off the screen or I will throw up.

Din Thomas 49:04 How about, how about-

Matt Serra 49:05 He looks proud.

Din Thomas 49:05 ... Ari not able to look away from it?

Joe Rogan 49:06 I know, right? What does it look... It's like a savage.

John Rallo 49:08 He looks like a proud dad.

Din Thomas 49:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:10 (laughs)

Matt Serra 49:10 (laughs)

John Rallo 49:10 He's fucking, he's like fucking smiling. Like, come on.

Joe Rogan 49:14 Like a proud dad.

Matt Serra 49:16 Yeah, that's awesome.

Din Thomas 49:16 (laughs)

John Rallo 49:17 He's just got his eye glass in. "Look what I did."

Joe Rogan 49:18 "Look what I did." Oh, he's so happy.

Din Thomas 49:20 It is funny though.

Joe Rogan 49:22 He's a m- he's a psycho.

Matt Serra 49:23 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 49:23 He's the best. Ari is the best. He's such a psycho.

John Rallo 49:26 He's crazy.

Din Thomas 49:26 Is he still training? He was training some Jiu-Jitsu.

Joe Rogan 49:28 So crazy. Nah, he, he fucked his knee up. Fucked his knee up then, then quit. He trained for a little bit, though.

Din Thomas 49:34 Got a, got a brand new knee. Everybody's tapping out now. They got their fucking knees, knee too.

Joe Rogan 49:38 But you're still rolling even with the new knee, right?

Din Thomas 49:40 I am, I am but I'm a little more choosy what my-

Joe Rogan 49:43 Mm-hmm.

Din Thomas 49:43 ... you know? Picky who my partner is.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Does it have the same stability?

Din Thomas 49:47 Oh, you lost me for a sec. What's that?

Joe Rogan 49:48 Does it have the same stability? Like, what is it like?

Din Thomas 49:50 The problem is I was rolling with one of my buddies, Abe, my black belt, Abe. Uh, and I'd always meet up with him 'cause we, we have nice training sessions. And it's not... I don't think it's my knee as much... Remember I told you I tore my quad in the rehab.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Mm-hmm.

Din Thomas 50:03 Like, I was-

Joe Rogan 50:03 Yeah.

Din Thomas 50:03 ... stepping down too high and I tore that shit, so it's a little deformed. And I was butterf- I went to butterfly sweep 'em, and when I went to butterfly sweep 'em, something popped on the outside. Like, if I show you my leg, it's a little something on that knee and it, it... I don't know what I strained or what I pulled, what it... I don't know what MCLs I have left. I don't know what the fuck's there, but it felt weak for a bit after that. So I haven't rolled super hard since, and that was over a month ago.

Joe Rogan 50:25 Do you do any of that, like, knees over toes stuff?

John Rallo 50:29 ... huh?

Din Thomas 50:29 I heard about that, man.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Yeah, you know that?

Din Thomas 50:30 I've seen guys do it-

John Rallo 50:31 I do, I do.

Din Thomas 50:31 ... and it seems like it works.

John Rallo 50:32 I do.

Din Thomas 50:32 What the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 50:33 It does work.

John Rallo 50:33 Does it really?

Din Thomas 50:34 What is it? Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:34 I use it a lot. KneesOver... There's a guy, KneesOverToes guy on Instagram, and this dude had gone through a bunch of knee surgeries and, you know, and it... Like, real problems, and realized that part of the problem was he wasn't strengthening all of the stabilizing muscles-

John Rallo 50:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:49 ... all in and around his knee.

John Rallo 50:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:51 With, like, tibia raises and-

John Rallo 50:53 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:54 ... with those step downs, and walking backwards-

John Rallo 50:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:57 ... on a treadmill, and then the Nordic-

John Rallo 51:00 Yeah, backwards with a sled, too.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Yeah, and Nordic curls, when you're lying on your f- your chest and you, you bring your body up-

John Rallo 51:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:05 ... with, only with your, your legs.

John Rallo 51:06 Like, hamstrings. Crazy.

Din Thomas 51:06 See, that's what I'm, yeah, that's what I'm-

Joe Rogan 51:07 With the hamstrings. I do those every day.

John Rallo 51:09 Yeah.

Din Thomas 51:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:09 I do those, too, on a slant board.

John Rallo 51:10 Yeah, I have a slant board. I do it-

Joe Rogan 51:12 But those Nordic curls are so fucking hard to do. Like, when you first do it, you're like, "Oh, my God. This is crazy."

John Rallo 51:16 Yeah, they're super hard to do.

Joe Rogan 51:17 So the whole idea is about strengthening all the muscles that stabilize the knee. And most people are-

John Rallo 51:22 Oh, gotcha.

Joe Rogan 51:22 ... just using the leg, and they're hoping that all that work gets done. But if you really wanna make your legs really strong, where the, the, the knees are really stable-

John Rallo 51:31 Yeah, I do the sled all, all the time.

Joe Rogan 51:32 ... you really wanna do things that stabilize that.

John Rallo 51:34 Ah.

Joe Rogan 51:34 I mean, think about how much of a knee injury puts you out. Every elite athlete should be doing this kinda shit.

John Rallo 51:41 Yeah.

Din Thomas 51:41 Yeah.

John Rallo 51:41 Like, I have pretty bad patellar tendonitis in my left knee, and it's helped pre- pretty much eliminate it.

Joe Rogan 51:47 Yeah. It's, it's pretty impressive stuff. And this guy gives it all away for free, 'cause his philosophy was, look, if I was an 11-year-old that had a knee injury, I would want this available to me. And so it... And he's a fucking awesome guy. H- he's been on the podcast before.

John Rallo 52:01 Oh, yeah?

Din Thomas 52:02 Real good.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Yeah. Yeah. Really, really good.

Din Thomas 52:03 I gotta start doing that shit.

Joe Rogan 52:03 But his stuff is-

John Rallo 52:05 Good stuff.

Joe Rogan 52:05 ... ro- rock solid, man. I mean, my knees feel so much better-

John Rallo 52:08 Do they?

Joe Rogan 52:08 ... from doing that. Yeah. Um, split squats, slant board, uh, bodyweight squats. I do 100 of those every day. I do the Nordic curls. I do all that shit. And it makes a difference, man.

Din Thomas 52:18 That's where I gotta get different now.

John Rallo 52:19 I also get on that slant board and, and step off, and touch your heel to the floor, too. It's real good.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's great.

Din Thomas 52:24 I gotta be more disciplined with that shit.

Joe Rogan 52:26 And the, uh, that... The... You use the sled? The backwards? Walking backwards with the sled?

John Rallo 52:30 A lot. Yeah, I'll do it for, like, 10 minutes.

Joe Rogan 52:31 Amazing.

John Rallo 52:31 Throw a couple plates on and just...

Joe Rogan 52:33 Yeah.

John Rallo 52:33 You know?

Joe Rogan 52:34 Back and forth, back and forth.

Din Thomas 52:35 So that worked.

John Rallo 52:35 Yeah.

Din Thomas 52:35 'Cause I got no meniscus in my left knee, so... And I just always feel-

Joe Rogan 52:40 Now, we were talking about that.

Din Thomas 52:40 I always feel the bone grinding.

Joe Rogan 52:42 We were talking about the, um, cadaver meniscus. They do do that now.

John Rallo 52:46 Have you looked at any, like, Gel-One or Synvisc II? Like, sometimes you can get a, a shot that'll help with some of that. It only lasts four to six months, but it's better than having your knee grinding.

Din Thomas 52:56 I got one of those once, and it didn't really seem to help me.

John Rallo 52:58 Didn't help you?

Din Thomas 52:59 No.

John Rallo 53:00 Yeah, mine, I mean, mine, I liked... Then I got the stem cells and...

Joe Rogan 53:03 But I've talked, talked to people that had no meniscus at all, and they got one of those things, and I was like, "My knee was brand new again," for months.

John Rallo 53:09 Yeah, my, I had a guy, he's a firefighter, my buddy Carl. His knee was jacked, and he's the one that was get... He's the one that told me about the Gel-One and all, and he was doing it, and it allowed him to come back and train and everything. And eventually, insurance wouldn't pay for the shot, but they would pay for his knee replacement. (laughs) And it's so crazy.

Din Thomas 53:27 Oh, god.

Joe Rogan 53:27 That's so crazy.

John Rallo 53:27 Instead of a $1,500 shot-

Din Thomas 53:29 Yeah.

John Rallo 53:29 ... they'll pay 50 Gs.

Joe Rogan 53:30 It's a scam.

Din Thomas 53:31 Yeah.

John Rallo 53:31 Such a joke.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Yeah.

Din Thomas 53:32 The thing with those knees, though, me and you last night, I'm not doing that-

John Rallo 53:36 Yeah.

Din Thomas 53:36 ... without my new knee.

Joe Rogan 53:37 Yeah, yeah. True.

John Rallo 53:37 Sure.

Din Thomas 53:37 Walking around town.

Joe Rogan 53:38 True.

Din Thomas 53:38 I'm not doing that.

John Rallo 53:39 True.

Din Thomas 53:39 I'd go to a Tropicana for a fight, and I'd be with my buddy, and we'd have to stop every, how many feet?

Joe Rogan 53:45 Shit.

Din Thomas 53:45 I'm like, "Y'all, we gotta chill." (laughs) I'm like, dude... He's like, "Dude, it's time."

John Rallo 53:48 Yeah, 100%

Din Thomas 53:49 I couldn't walk. So now, I could... You know, I'm back.

Joe Rogan 53:51 Yeah, yeah.

John Rallo 53:51 Yeah.

Din Thomas 53:51 That's why I'm not getting the other one done-

Joe Rogan 53:53 True.

Din Thomas 53:53 ... for... Until I have to.

John Rallo 53:54 Until it's time.

Din Thomas 53:55 You know?

Joe Rogan 53:55 My problem was that any time I would injure something, I would not give it enough time.

John Rallo 53:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:59 I would get stem cells and do...

Din Thomas 54:00 That's everybody's (laughs) stuff. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:02 I would not give it enough time, and I'd be like, "It's good enough." You know? And then it would get aggravated again. It's like, "Goddamn it, now it's chronic."

Din Thomas 54:10 See, I don't like to do all those exercises and shit.

Joe Rogan 54:13 (laughs)

Din Thomas 54:13 I think I'm scarred from all the... Oh, the only way I like to stay in shape-

Joe Rogan 54:16 Training camp. Just get you a trial, like, to be a GCF athlete.

John Rallo 54:19 Get some, uh... You try, like, the pushes and everything?

Din Thomas 54:19 Lango has an old school sh- I did so much-

Joe Rogan 54:21 Lango's the best. He's-

John Rallo 54:22 I love Ray Longo.

Joe Rogan 54:22 You two would be the greatest-

Din Thomas 54:25 I love Ray Longo.

John Rallo 54:25 He's one of my favorite guys.

Joe Rogan 54:25 ... reality show of all time.

John Rallo 54:25 Oh, my god.

Din Thomas 54:26 Oh, yeah.

John Rallo 54:26 You ain't kidding.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yep. The... That would... That's a...

Din Thomas 54:28 I love Longo.

Joe Rogan 54:28 Here's another... What am I, a UFC producer?

John Rallo 54:30 (laughs)

Din Thomas 54:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:30 Here's another one. You two pitching match shows.

John Rallo 54:34 Two Longos.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Imagine that.

Din Thomas 54:35 Lango's a one of a kind Longo.

John Rallo 54:36 He's... I love Ray.

Din Thomas 54:37 Lango's, Longo's is-

John Rallo 54:38 He's one of my favorite people.

Din Thomas 54:39 ... just an old school guy. Doesn't, doesn't... Never had a contract with anybody. Just always is there-

John Rallo 54:42 Yeah.

Din Thomas 54:42 ... helping people for the right reasons. Not just to get his face in there. Nowadays-

Joe Rogan 54:47 He's just a great guy.

Din Thomas 54:48 ... he's just a bunch of fucking whores out there.

John Rallo 54:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:49 He's just a real man.

Din Thomas 54:51 What he is. Oh, yeah.

John Rallo 54:51 He's a real man, for sure.

Joe Rogan 54:52 I fucking love that guy. But I love the two of you together. When you guys were in the corner, it's fucking amazing.

Din Thomas 54:57 Yeah, there's no corner like that.

Joe Rogan 54:58 It's amazing.

Din Thomas 54:59 It's, there's no corner in MMA-

John Rallo 55:00 That's a fact.

Din Thomas 55:00 ... like that one.

Joe Rogan 55:00 It's so fun.

Din Thomas 55:01 He's my-

Joe Rogan 55:01 It's so fun, but it's also, like, rock solid information.

John Rallo 55:04 Yeah.

Din Thomas 55:04 Oh, no. He knows how to listen.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Oh, yeah.

Din Thomas 55:05 He knows the... We keep it very simple, you know? And, uh, it's just crazy nowadays, you know? It's, it's a little, it's a little weird now, like, with the whole team, man. Like, uh, uh, you know, times change and stuff, but like, everybody's out in Vegas now. The whole team's like... I mean, everybody's doing well, so we're all happy for everybody, but like... Vegas is very tempting for young fighters. And it's... And I don't blame them. Like...

John Rallo 55:28 Well, the facility really, I think-

Din Thomas 55:29 That PI-

John Rallo 55:29 ... is gonna pull people out.

Joe Rogan 55:31 The PI.

Din Thomas 55:32 Food, everything.

John Rallo 55:32 And then...

Joe Rogan 55:32 All your food is taken care of.

Din Thomas 55:34 Yeah.

John Rallo 55:34 And you have the most sophisticated-

Din Thomas 55:36 Exactly what they're saying. Right.

Joe Rogan 55:36 ... training environment available on Earth. And if there's something better, they're gonna get it.

Din Thomas 55:40 They are.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Whatever the fuck it is.

Din Thomas 55:42 It is.

John Rallo 55:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 And they set... I mean, it's a beautiful thing.

John Rallo 55:44 I, I think it's fantastic. The only thing I, I think it sucks for is that you have these guys who are coming up, you know, with their people at home. Then they get to where they're at the UFC, they get to the PI, which is awesome, and then some school in Vegas is claiming, you know?

Joe Rogan 56:00 Yeah.

John Rallo 56:00 Like... And I'm... No, no slam on Couture's team-

Joe Rogan 56:03 Things like that, it's an issue.

John Rallo 56:03 ... or nothing... You know, like Nick's-

Joe Rogan 56:04 That's an issue.

John Rallo 56:04 ... a great coach, but if I got a guy who's out here and he's been with you for s- you know, a few months-

Joe Rogan 56:09 Yeah, I think-

John Rallo 56:10 ... you can't take credit for that guy. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 56:12 Yeah. I think, you know, in a perfect world-

John Rallo 56:14 And it's not his fault either. He just is there-

Joe Rogan 56:16 Yeah.

Din Thomas 56:16 Yeah.

John Rallo 56:16 ... and, you know? It just makes sense.

Din Thomas 56:18 Nobody's fault. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:18 But I think in a perfect world, they collaborate, and then they're both there. I think in a perfect world, that's how, you know, that's how you do it, right? I mean, that's what Greg Jackson and Firas Zahabi and all those guys-

John Rallo 56:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:29 ... did when they were trading fighters back and forth. They, they all trained together. That's the way to do it. And you... But you never leave your original team if they're good. If it, if it works out and you have a relationship with them, you figure it out together.

Din Thomas 56:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Unless, unless you're trapped in too small of an environment and your coach is just not able to fit-

John Rallo 56:47 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 56:47 ... the needs of, like... You know, there's some guys that are just super talented-... but they start out in the middle of nowhere.

Narrator 56:52 Yeah.

Din Thomas 56:52 For sure.

Joe Rogan 56:53 And, you know, they don't have a real good gym. The guy doesn't really know-

Narrator 56:56 Yeah, the-

Din Thomas 56:56 The PIs sick.

Narrator 56:56 ... the high level shit. I think that's-

Joe Rogan 56:58 Sick.

Narrator 56:58 ... the best thing ever for the fighters, obviously.

Joe Rogan 57:00 It's sick.

Din Thomas 57:00 Yeah. I'm in Vegas all the time and I'm working with all kinda fighters and I would never ask anybody to leave their team. In fact, I'm like, "Listen, I'll give you any information you want-"

Narrator 57:09 Beautiful.

Din Thomas 57:09 "... but you can't leave your team."

Narrator 57:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Mm-hmm.

Din Thomas 57:10 You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not taking you.

Narrator 57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Good.

Din Thomas 57:12 I don't want you.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Good. Beautiful.

Narrator 57:13 Yeah, I mean, also, the-

Din Thomas 57:14 I mean, yeah, I mean, but-

Joe Rogan 57:14 ... taxes, they save money with taxes out there and it's a- it's a- it's a very-

Din Thomas 57:18 See, it's very desirable.

Joe Rogan 57:18 ... but it also creates a conflict where the conflict's not necessary, right? It's 'cause it's like he's for sure getting new information. The guy's getting new information from Nick, si- getting new information from training with everybody.

Din Thomas 57:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:29 And, but, 'cause you're- you're on a path, but you're on a path with the people that you started the path with.

Din Thomas 57:33 Yeah. Right, yeah. Yeah, no doubt.

Joe Rogan 57:34 And so, like, you, even if you're in this new place-

Din Thomas 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 ... like, this is y- maybe you're enhancing your education, you're getting better at fighting. You're still, these are y- you got, thos- those are your people.

Din Thomas 57:42 And you want, well, you want what's best for them if you really care for them.

Joe Rogan 57:45 Yeah.

Din Thomas 57:46 But at the same time, like, what did you sign up for? What'd I sign up for? Like, I'm not gonna be in a corner with somebody, and I could like them, but, you know, uh, me and Longo, what we did is with me, Longo, some local kids, at, there's a time when it's like, all right, Al's from Wantagh, Weidman's from Baldwin. They- they're all local kids. Who's fighting? This one's taking out the best of Brazil. This one's, we're going to Australia. I was fucking up this guy in London. This was, this is what I'm a part of. Me and Longo taking all guys-

Joe Rogan 58:15 Right.

Din Thomas 58:15 ... to the flag pole and then who's with us? It's Aljo or Al is our third guy. I'm not be, I didn't sign on for anything else. Like, in other words, I wanna make these guys the best they can, but once it gets to a certain degree now where it's like, all right man, this guy's gonna be in the corner and this... (clears throat) All right, well now that you guys are calling the shots, y- you don't need me no more 'cause I'm not gonna be fucking in here, "Okay, is it my turn to take the towel in or-"

Joe Rogan 58:39 (laughs)

Narrator 58:39 (laughs)

Din Thomas 58:39 "... fuck everybody. I'm out."

Joe Rogan 58:42 Yeah.

Narrator 58:42 Yeah.

Din Thomas 58:42 Who wants to go in this corner? Nick's sick? John Wood? Who wants to... And I love those guys. They're good guys. I like them. They're good, and I, you know, I'm friendly with them, but I'm not a part of that. Like, I don't, I d- and I want the best for my fucking guys. I love those guys. That, fucking Merab's gonna be the next champ. Fucking-

Joe Rogan 58:58 Bro, Merab is-

Din Thomas 58:59 Merab's a beast.

Joe Rogan 59:00 ... unstoppable.

Narrator 59:00 I love that guy.

Din Thomas 59:00 And Rob Socially-

Joe Rogan 59:01 When he was carrying Henry Cejudo with his tongue out-

Din Thomas 59:04 Come on.

Narrator 59:04 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:05 He's got his tongue... (screams) And he's, he's like a baby.

Din Thomas 59:08 And then what-

Narrator 59:08 Savage moment.

Joe Rogan 59:10 What a savage m- walking over to Mark Zuckerberg holding Henry "Fucking" Cejudo-

Narrator 59:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:15 ... two division world champion, golden medalist.

Din Thomas 59:19 And embar- embarrassed him.

Narrator 59:19 Olympic gold medalist in-

Joe Rogan 59:19 Look at that. That's insane.

Din Thomas 59:21 Merab, the thing is with Merab, it's-

Joe Rogan 59:23 He's a savage.

Din Thomas 59:23 ... I've never seen, in all my years, I've never seen a- a- a gas tank like that. I never have.

Joe Rogan 59:28 It's incredible.

Din Thomas 59:29 You know?

Joe Rogan 59:29 It's incredible.

Din Thomas 59:30 And, uh-

Joe Rogan 59:31 It's incredible because it's not like he's slow. Like, you generally-

Din Thomas 59:35 I know.

Joe Rogan 59:35 ... associate like, really high level endurance with guys that maybe don't have the kinda power he has.

Din Thomas 59:41 But he's also, he's durable. If you watched his fight-

Joe Rogan 59:43 Oh,