JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

Max Holloway 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum music)

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight?

Max Holloway 0:15 No, not really. I mean, we- we- we- we try to go up, like, early, that's why.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Yeah.

Max Holloway 0:19 So, the first two days is- is whatever, but then after that, we're all good.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Where's the furthest that you had to fly to- to- to fight?

Max Holloway 0:25 Uh, I think so Abu Dhabi, Fight Island.

Joe Rogan 0:27 In the Hou- so how long does that take to adjust?

Max Holloway 0:30 Brother, that one was weird 'cause then you remember they had us, uh, fighting at weird times.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 0:35 Like, you know, like, so we had to ch- we had to sleep during the- during the day, and then wait f- like, train during the night. Like, I- I remember going to sleep around, like, 8:00 or 9:00 AM.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Whoa.

Max Holloway 0:45 Yeah. 'Cause we was fighting, like, around that time, like, early in the morning, so it was just, uh, that was insane.

Joe Rogan 0:50 So you had to get your body acclimated to that.

Max Holloway 0:52 Acclimate it, yep.

Joe Rogan 0:53 Whew. That's- that's gotta play a factor, right? Like, if you live in Abu Dhabi, that'd be a big advantage.

Max Holloway 0:58 Oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, did you not just see the, uh, the July card that is- got announced in UK?

Joe Rogan 1:05 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 1:06 3:00 AM, brother-

Joe Rogan 1:06 Yeah, that's crazy. (laughs)

Max Holloway 1:08 ... is- is the main card start. So they're saying whoever's q- main li- uh, headline is fighting at 6:00 AM.

Joe Rogan 1:13 That's crazy.

Max Holloway 1:14 That's insane, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:15 You know how drunk that audience is gonna be?

Max Holloway 1:16 Brother, you should ...

Joe Rogan 1:19 (laughs)

Max Holloway 1:19 Cra- I saw (laughs) ... You know what is funny? I saw a clip. I saw a clip, uh, a meme of a video of like, uh, a UK fan who's, like, living in the UK and he was like he watched our fight. Our fight just got done, mine's and Dustin's. He played our clip and then he was like, "Great, now I can start my morning." He opens the door, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:36 (laughs)

Max Holloway 1:36 ... it's- it's light out and stuff. I'm like, "Holy shit."

Joe Rogan 1:37 (laughs)

Max Holloway 1:38 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah, they have to deal with different d- d- I mean, it's funny, the American pay-per-view time schedule just trumps everything.

Max Holloway 1:45 Oh, yeah. I mean, crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:47 I guess we're the ones who buy it the most. I got- I g- I wonder what the numbers are in the rest of the world?

Max Holloway 1:53 I- I- I think UK is- uh, UK is another hotspot, right? Ain't UK big?

Joe Rogan 1:57 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's pretty big.

Max Holloway 1:58 I mean, they- they some- there are some fight fans to be-

Joe Rogan 2:01 Yeah.

Max Holloway 2:01 ... doing that every- and, you know, once a month they're planning a pa- there's a pay-per-view card and they're like, "Look, honey," um, "3:00 AM I'm probably gonna be screaming-"

Joe Rogan 2:10 (laughs)

Max Holloway 2:10 "... so please don't, you know, don't divorce me."

Joe Rogan 2:12 (laughs)

Max Holloway 2:12 So, it's pretty awesome.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Yeah, you just gotta get one tolerant wife and have everybody go over to that house. (laughs)

Max Holloway 2:18 Yeah, and be like, "Hey, guys." Or you get the single friend, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:21 Right. There you go.

Max Holloway 2:21 You know- you know that- that one guy that he's just single.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Yeah.

Max Holloway 2:24 You know, nothing going on. He's like, "Yeah, y- you come to my house."

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yeah, that's perfect. So what has it been like for you, uh, after 300? I mean, it seems like ... I- I think for whatever reason, people go through, uh, phases of their career. And with some fighters, they- if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter's started to decline.

Max Holloway 2:50 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 2:51 And with you, I think some people had written you off-

Max Holloway 2:56 Oh, brother.

Joe Rogan 2:56 ... for some strange reason.

Max Holloway 2:57 Brother. Oh, brother. I heard it.

Joe Rogan 2:58 I don't get it.

Max Holloway 2:59 Yeah, I heard the noise.

Joe Rogan 3:00 I heard it. I heard the noise.

Max Holloway 3:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:02 I'm like, "Listen, he's only 32."

Max Holloway 3:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Right, 32, right?

Max Holloway 3:04 Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 3:05 He's only 32. That's athletic prime. I'm like, there's not- no beatings. There's no knockouts.

Max Holloway 3:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:11 There's no, like, there's no decline in the, uh, expression of skills inside the octagon.

Max Holloway 3:17 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Everything looks the s- the same and better every fight.

Max Holloway 3:20 You- you know what the problem is? The problem is that, uh, I- I got- these guys got to see me grow up, you know? I got in the UFC when I was 20.

Joe Rogan 3:26 20 years old.

Max Holloway 3:27 And a lotta people think I'm DC's old ass.

Joe Rogan 3:29 (laughs)

Max Holloway 3:30 Like, 42 years old or something, you know what I mean? And then I'm like, "Brother, I'm not DC." I've been calling out DC, but I'm a young guy, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:36 (laughs)

Max Holloway 3:36 Just because I've been harassing his- his potato-looking butt.

Joe Rogan 3:40 (laughs)

Max Holloway 3:40 Like, come on. His bag of potato-looking ass, I- I'm o-

Joe Rogan 3:43 You two together are hilarious.

Max Holloway 3:44 Brother, I- I love that guy.

Joe Rogan 3:45 It's very funny.

Max Holloway 3:45 I love that guy.

Joe Rogan 3:46 Everybody loves that guy.

Max Holloway 3:46 I love that man, but-

Joe Rogan 3:47 He's the best.

Max Holloway 3:48 A lotta guys just think I'm old because I've been fighting since I was 20.

Joe Rogan 3:51 Yeah.

Max Holloway 3:51 And then i- a- and it wasn't- and it's not like I've been fighting 20, I've been fighting since I was 20 and I fought a who's who in- in- in my division.

Joe Rogan 3:59 You've been fighting the best in the world-

Max Holloway 4:01 You know? Yeah, the top guys, you know.

Joe Rogan 4:01 ... since you were 20 years old, just past teenager.

Max Holloway 4:04 Yeah, so like especially with the- you know with the Volk fights, you know, it's like the- the- the first two fights was al- was- was- was all right, and then that third fight is what made everybody go, "Oh, he's done for." I'm like, "Brother, like, that was just Volk's night. He was on." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah.

Max Holloway 4:17 Like, it is what it is. Everybody's like, "Oh, yeah, look. Look at Max. He- he- d- d- Volk just did this." And now they're doing MMA math 'cause Ilia did that to Volk.

Joe Rogan 4:26 Uh-huh.

Max Holloway 4:27 And even with Ilia doing MMA math, "I beat a guy that beat you two-" I'm like, "Brothers, this is not how it works." I lost to Dustin, Dustin just got knocked out from, um, from Justin, and now what? D- now what can I say? I beat Dustin now? No. These- like fi-

Joe Rogan 4:38 Right. Doesn't work that way.

Max Holloway 4:38 Yeah, you know, styles make fights, so ...

Joe Rogan 4:40 It's also d- look what happens in camp, what- what kinda condition are you coming into the fight in, did you f- are you fighting injured?

Max Holloway 4:46 How did f- uh, yeah, exa- and

Joe Rogan 4:47 Did you just fight Islam Makhachev and get head kicked?

Max Holloway 4:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:51 I mean, that's a big factor, man.

Max Holloway 4:52 Brother, that's- that- that was crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:54 Bro.

Max Holloway 4:54 You know, a lo- a lot of people was giving me, uh, uh, uh, shit when, uh... 'cause Islam talked about our fight, about me and Justin, saying it was a useless fight or whatever. And I'm like, "Bro, like, if you took the fight in February when, like, you should've, 'cause you came out clean, I think so Justin woulda- woulda fought you, you know?" But like, how the hell is someone that you just knocked... Like, that was a scary knockout, brother. Like, that was a scary knockout, ass knockout. And then that guy turning around in a couple months. Like, bro, you're not even supposed to get hit for that long.

Joe Rogan 5:21 Right.

Max Holloway 5:21 And then now you're doing a camp? Even if you do- okay, say you do a camp, you don't spoil a camp, right? But then you still training hard or whatever, and like maybe you just accidentally fall over, bump your head on something, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:32 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 5:32 Or like you're scratching your head, you know? Or you're screaming or something 'cause you're stressing out, you know? I'm like, "I don't know what could happen," but when I-

Joe Rogan 5:38 You gotta- you have to have a long time after-

Max Holloway 5:40 Yeah, chillin'.

Joe Rogan 5:41 ... a knockout like that.

Max Holloway 5:41 I mean, look at- look at Justin. I just saw Justin finally doing interviews after his fight and he just said, like, "I'm not doing nothing for six months."

Joe Rogan 5:47 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 5:48 Like, nothing. And I'm like, "Bro, that's smart, you know?"

Joe Rogan 5:50 When Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao, Freddy Roach made him wait a year.

Max Holloway 5:54 One year?

Joe Rogan 5:54 One year.

Max Holloway 5:55 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:55 So you gotta really heal up. That was a bad knockout.

Max Holloway 5:58 Bro, you only got-I remember, w- it was y- it was you that talked about it, like that talked about our brain. This is like long time ago, when you was talking about the cotton candy thing-

Joe Rogan 6:08 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 6:08 ... in your brain-

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yes.

Max Holloway 6:08 ... and how it's, uh, how once that disappear, you don't-

Joe Rogan 6:12 Uh-huh.

Max Holloway 6:12 ... that sh- that shit don't grow back, right?

Joe Rogan 6:14 Exactly.

Max Holloway 6:14 And I remember watching, that was a long time ago, I didn't even know how many years that was, that was ago and, um, that really m- meant a lot and everybody keep telling me like, "Oh Max, you get hit so much," and blah blah blah, this and that. I'm like, "Yeah, okay, in the fight you might see me get hit, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sparring." You know? Like, I'm not sparring, I'm being spar... This Justin Gaethje one, brother, I was going through the gates of hell. We had to bring back sparring.

Joe Rogan 6:36 (laughs)

Max Holloway 6:36 You know what I mean? Like I was, (laughs) I was ready to be a crash dummy against, uh, we, I, I told my coaches, "Look, this is a man that is very dangerous. We need to get in, we need to get in, into the thick of it and get it done." So we bring back sparring for this one, but it still wasn't-

Joe Rogan 6:50 That's very wise of you to do that.

Max Holloway 6:51 ... it still wasn't crazy, you know? It wasn't cr- like, we had our hard days out, far outside of camp, like outside of camp and it was fun, then we kind of toned it down, but getting ready for a Justin Gaethje, you had to, but then with, with your brain health, you need to protect your brain. You know what I mean? Like there's so much movies like on concussions and the movie Concussion-

Joe Rogan 7:08 Yes.

Max Holloway 7:08 ... and, and we have so much, uh, what is it? Information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and, and help the brain out, so why, why not use that, you know? A lot of people call me crazy, a lot of people, I keep hearing the talk about, "His chin gotta go this time. His chin..." Like, when the hell is my chin? My chin was supposed to go the last 20 fights.

Joe Rogan 7:29 (laughs)

Max Holloway 7:29 You know what I mean? Like, what, what are you guys ta- talking about, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:32 Yeah, it's ridiculous. Someone either has a good chin or they don't have a good chin.

Max Holloway 7:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 But you, you're not getting hit clean a lot. One of the things that you do a lot is, you, you roll with shots.

Max Holloway 7:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:41 You're very good at rolling with shots. When you're getting hit, you're getting hit and I see you turning your face, I see you taking some steam off of a lot of shots and your style is so, i- it's, it's, it's a fun style to watch, but it's also a nightmare to deal with. You're switching stances, you're d- you're, you're, you're constantly cutting angles.

Max Holloway 8:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Like the volume that you put on Justin, like when Justin was having a hard time catching to you, it was, it was very evident early on that you were on it, but it was one of those fights where it's like, "Damn, Justin with one punch can fuck people up."

Max Holloway 8:15 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:16 And it's just like avoiding that one punch and then when you start tuning him up, then he dropped you. He dropped you-

Max Holloway 8:21 Oh yeah, he d-

Joe Rogan 8:21 What round was that?

Max Holloway 8:22 Uh.

Joe Rogan 8:23 Second?

Max Holloway 8:23 Was it f- third.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Third?

Max Holloway 8:24 I think third or fourth round, I forget. I forget.

Joe Rogan 8:26 Fourth round.

Max Holloway 8:26 Yeah but-

Joe Rogan 8:27 I think it was the fourth round, yeah.

Max Holloway 8:27 It didn't, it didn't count as a drop, which is crazy. You know what I mean? Like a lot of people-

Joe Rogan 8:30 It didn't count?

Max Holloway 8:31 No, it didn't. So, so like they're, they're, um, ESPN is like, uh, posting it and saying like in however many fights I'm with the UFC, right, I stayed didn't get dropped. And that's, that's some bullshit. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 8:43 That's bullshit.

Max Holloway 8:44 Get, get-

Joe Rogan 8:44 (laughs)

Max Holloway 8:44 ... get Justin down here. I'll take it.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Yeah.

Max Holloway 8:46 You know what I mean? But I'm not, I'll be a man to sit here and be, I, I wouldn't be a man sitting here-

Joe Rogan 8:50 Right.

Max Holloway 8:50 ... telling you that it did. Bro, he, bro, all I remember getting hit by that punch and then like I, I, I sat and then I came back up. I was like, "What the fuck did he just hit me with?"

Joe Rogan 8:59 (laughs)

Max Holloway 8:59 You know what I mean? I was like, "Holy shit." I was like, "That was a good punch." And then when I re-watched it-

Joe Rogan 9:03 Yeah.

Max Holloway 9:03 ... he hit me like right in the top of my, my, my dome. I was like-

Joe Rogan 9:06 Mmm.

Max Holloway 9:06 ... "Holy smack, brother. This guy sm- this guy smacks." And then I was fine as soon as I got up. It was one of those like boom.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Mm-hmm. Flash.

Max Holloway 9:12 You know, like the legs just give out. The legs just give out. Like I was still there, even when I was standing, I was looking at him, but that, that... I don't know how that didn't count as a drop, but I don't know what they count as a drop because-

Joe Rogan 9:22 That has to count. That's silly.

Max Holloway 9:23 Yeah, yeah. That was, that was crazy.

Joe Rogan 9:26 No, that's 100% a knockdown. Somebody just made a mistake. But like, um, did you ever see Ilia Topuria when he fought Jai Herbert?

Max Holloway 9:32 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I saw that.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Oh.

Max Holloway 9:33 I saw that. Uh, what's funny, I never saw the fight, but then when people was, uh, when he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying, and he was, he said something about dropping me or KO'ing me and then I see the comments of him getting, that, that hid- that left high kick getting dropped. So I was like, "Oh yeah," I didn't see the fight, but I saw that part happen.

Joe Rogan 9:52 It was an amazing comeback 'cause he knocked him out in the second round, but man, he could take a shot.

Max Holloway 9:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side, right chin to the chin, just perfect.

Max Holloway 10:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:02 I mean, it was just whack and then his whole body just goes out and then he grabbed ahold of his sing- well check this out. Watch this.

Max Holloway 10:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Boom.

Max Holloway 10:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 I mean, dude. He- watch the head snap back. Look at the head snap back.

Max Holloway 10:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:12 I mean that is just shin to the chin.

Max Holloway 10:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 10:14 That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick but he grabbed ahold of him and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round and actually was winning the rest of the round.

Max Holloway 10:25 And that was early too, look.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah.

Max Holloway 10:26 Four minutes.

Joe Rogan 10:28 He did a lot of wrestling, did a lot of wrestling. He's a very complete fighter.

Max Holloway 10:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Very complete.

Max Holloway 10:32 He's very good, bro. He's very good.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Very good. And his fucking boxing, man. His boxing is terrifying. I was, I was shocked that Volk wanted to take that fight so quickly-

Max Holloway 10:44 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 10:44 ... after the Makhachev fight.

Max Holloway 10:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:46 And if I was his friend, I would've not recommended that. But I don't know if you could talk to him. I mean he's a champion. You, you Google-

Max Holloway 10:52 He's him, you know?

Joe Rogan 10:53 Yeah. There's, dudes like that it's like, "Mate, we can do it, mate."

Max Holloway 10:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:56 "We're gonna go to war." (laughs)

Max Holloway 10:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:57 You know, he's a fucking animal.

Max Holloway 10:58 Bro, he's an animal, bro.

Joe Rogan 10:59 He's an animal but the, the human body, i- it's a r- y- y- the vulnerabilities of the human body are real...

Max Holloway 11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 ... despite the spirit of the man.

Max Holloway 11:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 D- despite the spirit of the man.

Max Holloway 11:09 Yeah, bro, I- if you got damaged, no matter your spirit-

Joe Rogan 11:11 Yeah.

Max Holloway 11:12 ... y- y- you still have something... y- your, your brain, your muscles are still hurting-

Joe Rogan 11:16 Yeah.

Max Holloway 11:16 ... so it's going to only protect itself when it feels something, when there's a warning sign going off like, "Oh man, warning." Then it shut off because it's like-

Joe Rogan 11:23 Yes.

Max Holloway 11:23 ... "Look, I'm gonna save me from myself."

Joe Rogan 11:25 Exactly.

Max Holloway 11:25 And that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 11:26 Like when Conor fought, uh, Dustin the last time, he had a broken shin.

Max Holloway 11:30 Yeah. He, yeah, his, his leg was broken already.

Joe Rogan 11:31 His leg was broken.

Max Holloway 11:32 It was a stress factor, right?

Joe Rogan 11:33 Yep.

Max Holloway 11:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:33 He, he had a, a fracture going into that fight.

Max Holloway 11:36 And he knew it.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah.

Max Holloway 11:37 And the body's just gonna, your, your body's gonna give up, you know, no matter how strong the will is.

Joe Rogan 11:41 And think about like what that cost him.

Max Holloway 11:43 A lot.

Joe Rogan 11:44 Two years.

Max Holloway 11:44 Two years.

Joe Rogan 11:45 Two years.

Max Holloway 11:45 Two years.

Joe Rogan 11:46 And who knows where he could have been if he hadn't taken that fight and he le- look, it's only eight weeks-

Max Holloway 11:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:52 ... that, y- you got a stress fracture like that, it's like eight weeks-

Max Holloway 11:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:55 ... and it's, and it's healed, right? 'Cause it's not all the way through.

Max Holloway 11:59 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 11:59 It could have healed it.

Max Holloway 12:00 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 12:01 And then, you know-

Max Holloway 12:02 And, and, and UFC would move... (laughs) they, they'll move mountains for that man, so why not, right?

Joe Rogan 12:05 I don't know if they knew it was a fracture though. It definitely was, but they, I think, they had done MRIs on it, it was inconclusive, turns out.

Max Holloway 12:15 Oh, oh, that's what it is, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:16 But he was badly hurt, you know? You've had bone bruises before-

Max Holloway 12:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:19 ... where you're like, "I don't know if this is broken, you gotta get it looked at."

Max Holloway 12:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:22 They suck.

Max Holloway 12:23 No, they hurt bro. They hurt. Bro, bro, bro-

Joe Rogan 12:25 How is your left shin, your left leg?

Max Holloway 12:26 Brother, my left shin, it, it's all right now, but they hurt, bro. Th- I was, I was about to talk about it. My, bro, this guy kick hard as shit.

Joe Rogan 12:33 Yeah.

Max Holloway 12:33 And his... Bro, the way his bones, I don't know what it was made out of, bro.

Joe Rogan 12:37 (laughs)

Max Holloway 12:37 I think so titanium. Like, I like to say my, my chin is made out of vibranium, brother.

Joe Rogan 12:41 (laughs)

Max Holloway 12:41 He had a vibranium leg, bro. I was like, "He went to Wakanda too?" I was thinking to myself, like, "How?"

Joe Rogan 12:47 (laughs)

Max Holloway 12:47 I thought I only got to go to Wakanda. I guess he went too-

Joe Rogan 12:50 (laughs)

Max Holloway 12:50 ... you know? But, uh, you know, at the end of the day, bro, it, it hurt. Like I still, my, my shin still bruised. It feels good, I can move, I move it, whatever. It was, like, stiff after the fight. In there, a lot of people always... I always hear you talk about it in there and be like, "Oh, yeah, it hurts." I don't really feel it. Like, I don't pay too much mind to it in, in the fight.

Joe Rogan 13:07 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 13:07 I, I, I can feel when he hits it and it's like, "Oh," I, I'm telling myself, "That's gonna hurt later, but you got 25 minutes, you know. We, we, we gotta stay in here, you know." And-

Joe Rogan 13:16 It's that, that's what's interesting, is it doesn't seem to compromise your movement that much. It depends entirely upon the person. Like some people get calf kicked once real hard and it swells up and you see immediately they're walking fucked up-

Max Holloway 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 ... and then they're trying to switch southpaw.

Max Holloway 13:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:29 They're, they're trying to switch stances.

Max Holloway 13:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 But you don't seem to have as much of a problem with it.

Max Holloway 13:34 Yeah. I was... It wasn't really a problem. I know it hurts, I know it's gonna be hurt after the fight. But then even that, like, switching stances is the most craziest thing to me, while, while after getting, like, completely landed nicely there. 'Cause if I switch stances, he, he screwed up two of my legs. What am I gonna do, crawl over to him?

Joe Rogan 13:49 (laughs) Right.

Max Holloway 13:49 You know what I mean? I'd rather be... I'd rather have one leg than two legs messed up, you know? So and then they'll just keep it-

Joe Rogan 13:54 Again, though, I think that's you.

Max Holloway 13:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:55 I think you're particularly durable. Because some guys, like you've seen what happens with Pereira. He kicks you-

Max Holloway 14:01 Oh, brother.

Joe Rogan 14:02 ... a couple of times in that leg, and that leg's fucked up, man.

Max Holloway 14:05 Messed up, bro.

Joe Rogan 14:06 Everybody, even Jan Blachowicz, who's made out of rocks.

Max Holloway 14:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:10 Jan's like, his bones are made out of stone. Remember when he was going with Alkalaev, he went shin to shin with him.

Max Holloway 14:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:16 He was just cracking shins with him and fucking his leg up.

Max Holloway 14:18 Yeah. And then a guy like... Bro, I... Did you see the picture of me and Alex, Alex... Did you guys see the picture of me and Alex? They, they, they face swapped them.

Joe Rogan 14:26 No.

Max Holloway 14:26 They put my face on Alex Pereira. Try to look it up, brother.

Joe Rogan 14:30 (laughs)

Max Holloway 14:30 He look like Thanos, bro. And "Money" Moicano, bro. "Money" Moicano's like, "Yeah, fuck this guy." You know, you know "Money" Moicano, he's like, "Yeah, fuck that guy, bro. You gotta kill that man." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:40 (laughs)

Max Holloway 14:40 "Money" Moicano is the funniest guy, bro.

Joe Rogan 14:42 He's so funny, man. He's so funny.

Max Holloway 14:42 I love that guy, man. Brother, he was like... I saw on Twitter, he was like, "Yeah, people are asking me to, to fight Max 'cause he's nine and I'm, I'm 10 or something, or eight and nine or something like that." Are you fucking crazy? He's like, "I'll fight him if we have one rule, no punching." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:57 (laughs)

Max Holloway 14:58 I love "Money" Moicano, bro. He's the man.

Joe Rogan 15:00 He's a funny dude. Man, he almost lost that Jalin Turner fight. That was crazy.

Max Holloway 15:03 Brother.

Joe Rogan 15:03 What happened there?

Max Holloway 15:05 Jalin Turner tried to look cool and get a walk-off KO, and it didn't happen.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Yeah, it didn't happen. You can't do that. You gotta follow up. That was the fight. Like, if he beat Moicano, man, and Jalin had him.

Max Holloway 15:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:17 He had him.

Max Holloway 15:18 We, we was in... I was at the hotel room, still watching that fight.

Joe Rogan 15:21 Wow.

Max Holloway 15:21 I, I was watching it, was watching it and, um, yeah, I was tripping out. And you know what's funny? As soon as that, as soon as that happened, I was like, I told my coach, I was like, "You know what'd be funny? If "Money" Moicano, uh, comes out and rear nick is in the next round and he, he finishes him the next round." I was like, "Damn." I was like, "Whoa." It wasn't, it wasn't funny, but it was like, "Damn, that's amazing."

Joe Rogan 15:41 Well, Jalin is so long. He's so dangerous too. His knockout power, like at length, it's, he catches guys on the end of shots. You can't even come close to him-

Max Holloway 15:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:50 ... and he's cracking you, and he's got nasty power. And you know that Moicano dude, he, he-

Max Holloway 15:57 He's tough, bro.

Joe Rogan 15:57 He's very tough. The fact that he figured it out, he's like, "Fuck all this standing. I'm gonna grab that dude-

Max Holloway 16:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:01 ... and drag him to the ground."

Max Holloway 16:02 Smart, bro. Smart.

Joe Rogan 16:04 Yeah, yeah. It was a great fight.

Max Holloway 16:05 IQ, that's fi- that's fight IQ, bro. I mean-

Joe Rogan 16:06 What a card that was. What a card.

Max Holloway 16:07 Oh brother, from the begin-... From the first number, I had, I had, uh, family and friends that came to the fight and they went to the first fight.

Joe Rogan 16:14 Cody Garbrandt and David Ceferino.

Max Holloway 16:16 They... You had to, you had to, bro. You had to.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Imagine you got two former world champions going at it in the first fight.

Max Holloway 16:21 First fight. Yeah, that's insane, brother.

Joe Rogan 16:23 And two guys that are still awesome, you know.

Max Holloway 16:25 And it was, and it was fighting.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Oh.

Max Holloway 16:26 It was a fight, bro.

Joe Rogan 16:27 It was a really good fight.

Max Holloway 16:27 It was a fight.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Yeah.

Max Holloway 16:29 How, how crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick? Imagine he landed that kick on Stuff's face.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 16:34 When he, when-

Joe Rogan 16:34 It was close.

Max Holloway 16:35 ... Stuff went for the handstand-

Joe Rogan 16:35 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 16:35 ... and then he just went-

Joe Rogan 16:37 Yeah.

Max Holloway 16:37 ... for a regular leg kick.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Yeah.

Max Holloway 16:38 And almost kicked him in the head. That was crazy.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Yeah, those, uh, cartwheel kicks were ridiculous. (laughs)

Max Holloway 16:43 Crazy, crazy. You gotta set them up, brother. You can't be just throwing them, throwing them freely like that, you know.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Well, Justin tried rolling thunder on you-

Max Holloway 16:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:50 ... in like the last round, right?

Max Holloway 16:52 I knew, I knew he was gonna try it. I knew it.

Joe Rogan 16:54 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 16:54 And that, that's what Justin's known for, you know. So I knew he was gonna do it. We knew he was gonna do a couple stuff. We knew power punches, leg kicks. I, I was thinking if we got later in the rounds or if he was getting comfortable, he's gonna try and do that thunder, the rolling thunder kick, so we was ready for it, you know.

Joe Rogan 17:11 He's got this weird ability to kick your legs like in a clinch.

Max Holloway 17:15 Close, bro. Close, bro.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Yeah, weird.

Max Holloway 17:16 I, I heard you talking about it, how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick, he can... Bro, it was, it was almost like... You know what it remind, what it remind me? It wasn't a high kick of course, but you know what his leg kick remind me of? It reminds me of Yair's high kick.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 17:29 Like me and Yair could be nose to nose and a fucking kick comes up. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 17:32 Yeah.

Max Holloway 17:32 ... "Holy shit." Like he, he did it to me one time.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Yeah.

Max Holloway 17:35 And I was like, "What the, what?" Like, "Why are you guys so flexible?" And then even like with, uh...... with, um, Justin, with his leg kick. Bro, w- like, some of them is, even his angles that he take on his kick, I'm like, "You're not hitting me with this." And then he fucking, he cracks me, his whole shin across my knee. I'm like, "What is going on? How are you landing this?" It's like-

Joe Rogan 17:52 Yeah.

Max Holloway 17:52 ... his angles is, is weird, bro. He has some weird angles for, for sure.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Well, he's very unique in a lot of ways. There's a very unique style, very unique mentality. He's a unique guy. But the, the leg kicks in the clinch, when he was fo- was it, was it still PFL back then? Was it when you started?

Max Holloway 18:08 It was PFL. I know which one you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yeah.

Max Holloway 18:09 The one that he was in the clinch and he was- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:11 In the clinch.

Max Holloway 18:12 Leg kicking, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Just kicking in full power leg kicks.

Max Holloway 18:14 I think he t- he TKO'd that guy.

Joe Rogan 18:16 Ugh.

Max Holloway 18:16 He TKO'd that guy with the legs.

Joe Rogan 18:17 It's horrible to watch because you're dealing with the clinch, and you're thinking, "Oh, we're just clinching here," and he's just killing your legs.

Max Holloway 18:24 No, he's like, "We're not clinching here."

Joe Rogan 18:25 Like no one can.

Max Holloway 18:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Like no one can.

Max Holloway 18:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:26 I don't know anybody else who kicks the legs from the clinch like Justin Gaethje does.

Max Holloway 18:30 Full power clinch.

Joe Rogan 18:31 (laughs)

Max Holloway 18:31 You know how you do that heel kick?

Joe Rogan 18:32 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 18:32 That's what people do. They- they usually grab that heel and they hit it or whatever.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Yeah.

Max Holloway 18:35 But, like, this guy is, like, straight Jose Aldo running leg kicking to you- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:39 I know, right?

Max Holloway 18:39 ... in the clinch, you know? It's insane.

Joe Rogan 18:41 It's co- but think about all the guys you've fought, Max. I mean, you have fought the best of the best. You fought everybody. Except Makhachev?

Max Holloway 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 There's like everybody of your era, you fought.

Max Holloway 18:53 Yeah, well, with the Makhachev fight is not, not too far off. So y- you know, uh, never say never. I got a couple more years in me, for sure.

Joe Rogan 19:01 What do you think? Like if you had to plan it out. Okay, so here we got Poirier and Makhachev are fighting.

Max Holloway 19:07 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:07 They're, they're fighting next and that's gonna be-

Max Holloway 19:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:09 What is that? New Jersey?

Max Holloway 19:10 New Jersey.

Joe Rogan 19:11 New Jersey. So let's say Makhachev wins. If Makhachev wins ... Well, even if Poirier wins. If Poirier wins-

Max Holloway 19:17 Hey bro, if Poirier wins, that'd be a fun fight, right?

Joe Rogan 19:19 You and Poirier. It's a great rematch.

Max Holloway 19:20 I mean, we have history, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:21 Yes.

Max Holloway 19:21 Especially at 55. We're at 45.

Joe Rogan 19:23 And make it, make it a double belt.

Max Holloway 19:25 Brother, I'd- I would love that, brother.

Joe Rogan 19:27 The double belt.

Max Holloway 19:27 (laughs) Yeah, that'd be crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:30 The double belt.

Max Holloway 19:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:31 The double belt.

Max Holloway 19:31 That'd be crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:31 First time ever.

Max Holloway 19:32 That'd be crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:32 BMF and the lightweight title on the line.

Max Holloway 19:35 That'd be crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Wow, that would be wild. But even if, uh, whoever wins. But then, I really like ... No, here's the thing. At 55, you look fantastic. You look bigger, you look stronger. I'm sure it felt better. Like you didn't have to-

Max Holloway 19:49 Oh, yeah. It felt good, brother.

Joe Rogan 19:49 ... lose all that weight.

Max Holloway 19:50 The cut, the cut, bro. The cut was, the- the cut was a cut, don't get me wrong, but it was, it was beautiful, brother. I was eating sushi all week.

Joe Rogan 19:58 Yeah. (laughs)

Max Holloway 19:58 Eating more s- I e- I eat sushi when I go to 45 too, but I was eating more sushi all week, bro. I was loving it.

Joe Rogan 20:04 Do you think that that's better for you?

Max Holloway 20:07 We see what happens, you know. I- I feel like I still have un- unfinished business at 45. I wanna get the ti- I mean, before this fight, before this fight, you know what, we, we only had, like a couple of options. After this fight, we- the whole main goal with this fight was like just have all the options. (laughs) That was the ma- that was going, that was my mentality going-

Joe Rogan 20:27 Boy, did you achieve that goal. (laughs)

Max Holloway 20:27 Yeah, that was my mentality going into this fight, was, the mentality was, let's have all the options. We- we put, we- we go out there, we do something spectacular, you know, I'm right up there with the top 55ers. I'm right up, um, I still have my- my spot at, with the 45ers. And then, uh, you know, to my surprise, after the fight, they announced a Conor, a Conor versus Chandler fight. So it's like, me and Conor have some history, so there's options, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 20:52 Yeah.

Max Holloway 20:52 So. (sniffs)

Joe Rogan 20:53 And they're talking about doing something at 65. I know DC's been saying this. I don't know what he knows. I haven't pressed him.

Max Holloway 20:59 Ah, I'm sure DC knows something. That guy only talks about stuff when he knows. He's just-

Joe Rogan 21:03 Yeah.

Max Holloway 21:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Clever. (laughs)

Max Holloway 21:04 DC, yeah, yeah. D- DC, he tries to, this is what DC asks about, that. I- you know DC, you've been, you've caught a lot of fights with him, you know him as a person. You know, uh, he don't talk about nothing unless he knows something is going on, brother.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Right.

Max Holloway 21:16 Unli- Uh, it's either-

Joe Rogan 21:17 That's what I'm thinking.

Max Holloway 21:17 Yeah, it's either, uh, he- he knows something going on or he's just bullshitting. So it's either. They're either it's o- it's one or the other, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:25 Yeah, I doubt he's bullshitting.

Max Holloway 21:25 He- he never ever lays it mid- middle. Exactly. With- with that, with that, you know what I mean? I know he doesn't bullshit but I know he sees other stuff as like ... It's crazy like, uh, 'cause I saw him talking about, uh, the BMF and I- did you see that one with hi- that bit with RC? When he told-

Joe Rogan 21:40 Yes.

Max Holloway 21:40 ... RC, that he should, who should, uh, should fight for the BMF and, uh, now no disrespect to him, but like come on DC, what the hell are you ... Like he's just so off- offline on that side, you know? So out of pocket.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Is he saying Aljibine?

Max Holloway 21:49 Yeah, he's so out of pocket, like calling that, you know.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Well, he's out of pocket because he's just so biased towards wrestling.

Max Holloway 21:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:56 He wants, he's like, "There's been no takedowns in the BMF fights."

Max Holloway 21:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:59 Like ...

Max Holloway 21:59 I think that's what a BMF belt is, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:02 Well, there can be takedowns.

Max Holloway 22:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:04 If it happens, but i- i- you know, to have it just because you want takedowns-

Max Holloway 22:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 ... You know what, bring a wrestler in.

Max Holloway 22:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:10 But that belt is a special belt. You know, it's- it's- it's a wild belt. It's like these are-

Max Holloway 22:14 It is wild.

Joe Rogan 22:15 It's wild.

Max Holloway 22:16 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 22:16 These are- these are wild fights.

Max Holloway 22:17 It's wild. You know- you know what is funny? Like a lot of, um-

Joe Rogan 22:20 (sighs)

Max Holloway 22:20 It's funny 'cause I- I see a lot of these guys, these MMA guys, guys, some guys who's just like even doing MMA ... I see everything, brother. From like low level MMA guys that's trying to come up to mid to high and I- and before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then now that I- I got it, I'm happy to see that it's actually getting its worth. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, everybody is saying, "Oh, no Undisputed." Well, I was Undisputed Champion, I have the BMF belt. Now what is it? You know?

Joe Rogan 22:48 Yeah.

Max Holloway 22:48 You cannot tell, I- well, I'm fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these number one and champions. What now you tell me what it is. You know?

Joe Rogan 22:55 Yeah.

Max Holloway 22:55 At the end of the day, the belt is cool and I always tell everybody, the belt is cool but you guys gotta understand it's, uh, the, uh, what brings with the belt. What- what the emotions it brings and what kind of fight it brings to a card, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 23:07 Yeah.

Max Holloway 23:07 ... the, uh, that- our fight, a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300.

Joe Rogan 23:11 100%.

Max Holloway 23:11 You know what I mean? So i- it's insane, you know.

Joe Rogan 23:13 100%. And the, the crazy thing is, there was two insane fights after your fight.

Max Holloway 23:18 After, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Your fight was so good, that two insane world title fights afterwards.

Max Holloway 23:23 Had to happen after, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:24 And still-

Max Holloway 23:25 And-

Joe Rogan 23:25 ... people are talking about your fight.

Max Holloway 23:26 And I felt so bad for the girls 'cause I- I was watching that fight in the back after doing my media. And it was such a crazy fight, brother.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Amazing fight.

Max Holloway 23:33 But, but, but I think so people was just, they just had ad- adrenaline dump because of what happened in the last fight.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Oh, yeah. I did.

Max Holloway 23:39 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:39 I lost my voice.... bro, I lost-

Max Holloway 23:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:41 ... my voice. I really did. I've never lost my voice, ever-

Max Holloway 23:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:44 ... in a UFC fight.

Max Holloway 23:45 Yeah. Well, and there's a- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:45 But when you dropped him, I- I... It was the first time I ever stood up.

Max Holloway 23:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:48 I couldn't sit down. I was standing up. I was just like, "Oh."

Max Holloway 23:52 And I- I saw that.

Joe Rogan 23:52 "Oh."

Max Holloway 23:52 I saw you stand up. That was the first time I ever seen it.

Joe Rogan 23:54 It was just, "What?" Dana had the greatest quote in the post, uh, fight press conference. He said, "I sell holy shit moments." When people ask me what do I do for a living, look at this.

Max Holloway 24:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:06 I couldn't even sit down. I had to get up. I had to hold onto those guys. I'm holding onto them.

Max Holloway 24:13 That is awesome.

Joe Rogan 24:15 It's funny when they started putting cameras on us-

Max Holloway 24:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:17 ... 'cause we've, we've been doing that forever. Like, DC and I go crazy. We hug each other. We go nuts.

Max Holloway 24:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:21 When, when something crazy happens, we're like, "What? What?"

Max Holloway 24:24 I'm glad. I'm glad they did 'cause to see you got... To see you, like see fans and, and reactions to the fight is cool, but they're fans. But then when you see like our peers and guys like you and my fi-... And, and other fighters and commentators of the sport that you've been around forever. So, to see you do that, that, that would like... That brings a humongous ass smile to my face. Like, "Holy shit."

Joe Rogan 24:46 (laughs) It was amazing.

Max Holloway 24:46 I just made Joe Rogan-

Joe Rogan 24:47 Oh, you did, man.

Max Holloway 24:47 ... stand up, stand up, you know, so...

Joe Rogan 24:49 I say to this day, and I, I do it based on my reaction. Obviously, this is personal. I say it's the greatest knockout of all time. The reason why I say it's the greatest knockout of all time was because everybody thought that Justin was gonna be overpowering you. He was a bigger guy. He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier. You had lost the last fight to Volkanovski. You hadn't been in title contention since then. You had a bunch of great wins, but here you're gonna fight this bigger guy, and all these people were writing you off. All these people were saying that it d... And you're tuning him up, and you did have to overcome getting knocked down. And you did have ad- adversity.

Max Holloway 25:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:23 You had to deal with that leg. And then for you to stand winning four rounds to one in the middle of the octagon and pointing at the ground with 10 seconds left-

Max Holloway 25:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:32 ... and then to knock him out with one second left. The way I reacted, the way I jumped up, I've never done that before. I've... All... Even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman. That was another crazy one.

Max Holloway 25:40 Yeah, that was crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Before that, I would've said that was the greatest knockout of all time, because he was down.

Max Holloway 25:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 He was down four rounds, and John Anik just had the perfect call. He said, "That is not the cloth from which he is cutting." We were talking about-

Max Holloway 25:50 And then boom. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:51 And then boom.

Max Holloway 25:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:52 He lands his head kick-

Max Holloway 25:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:52 ... like it's a movie. So, that was number one before, but you are number one now.

Max Holloway 25:57 Oh, thank you, brother. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 25:57 That's number one 'cause just impact all time, like complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt. They don't think about it as a gimmick at all anymore-

Max Holloway 26:07 No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 ... 'cause it was the wildest crazy fight-

Max Holloway 26:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:09 ... with an undeniable number one contender in Justin versus you. It's wild how it happened.

Max Holloway 26:15 Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 26:15 The whole thing was wild.

Max Holloway 26:17 It, it... (sniffs) I mean, you're only as good as your last fight, right? That's, that's, that's what it is. This sport, I, I, I like to tell everybody that, you know, it... This is not like basketball. This is not, this is not like baseball or like hockey where you can just shit the bed on a Tuesday and then you come back out on a Friday and then you, you're just a man of the world again, you know? Like, you... Shit like, like this stuff happen. You have a bad fight like with Alex, that fight don't get erased off until I have something great. And even if you have-

Joe Rogan 26:45 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 26:45 ... a good fight, you know what I mean? Like, I had a good fight with Arnold, but they still were like, "Ah, Alex, he did that."

Joe Rogan 26:49 Right.

Max Holloway 26:49 And then I did it with Korean Zom-... And then I had a nu- uh-

Joe Rogan 26:52 Knockout.

Max Holloway 26:52 ... knockout over Korean Zombie, and then they're like, "Yeah, but Korean is old," and blah, blah, blah. And then finally now with this Justin, now everybody forgets, you know? Like, it takes us a while-

Joe Rogan 27:01 Yeah.

Max Holloway 27:01 ... to maybe forget about your last fight, you know? So, it was just... It was amazing, bro, you know? Like, to see everybody go crazy, like... In my mind, like, a lot of people ask me, "What's going through your mind when you're doing that? You're up 4-1." I'm like, "Brother, that was, that was in my mind the whole time."

Joe Rogan 27:14 (laughs)

Max Holloway 27:15 I'm like, "Bro, we went to 10 seconds." I was like... I remember counting the... I remember (sniffs) it being a minute. I remember my coach yelling, "A minute, Max. Stay clean." And then I was like, "A minute." I was like, "Oh, hell yeah. 50 more seconds until we go to the center and we're gonna swing." In my mind... And then he's like, "40 seconds." I was like, "Holy shit, this clock is slow." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 27:31 (laughs)

Max Holloway 27:31 I'm like, "Why is it taking forever?" And then he's like calming down. He's like, "30 seconds." And then he's like, "Okay, 20 seconds." And then he does... And he go, uh, he go... Right after the 20 seconds mark, underneath, couple seconds after, he does his rolling thunder, and then it pushed me to the point of perfectly circle out and then that's when I said... I did the like, "Oh, come here," you know? Let's, let's go here. Let's do it 'cause that was just... Everybody's losing their mind, but in... To me, I just... This is normal, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:57 (laughs)

Max Holloway 27:57 This is the second time. This is the second time he did it, you know?

Joe Rogan 27:59 Yeah.

Max Holloway 28:00 Of course, the second time I'm doing it, I heard you guys say, "It's... It w-" The first time it was with Ricardo, but this ain't no Justin, uh, Justin Gaethje, you know?

Joe Rogan 28:06 Right.

Max Holloway 28:06 But, you know, why not? Why not? If he, i- i- if he was to put, if he was gonna put me out, then, then so be it, you know? Live by the sword.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Well, it was a, a wild ending-

Max Holloway 28:17 You see it?

Joe Rogan 28:17 ... to the fight. There's the rolling thunder. Damn, that was a nice rolling thunder too.

Max Holloway 28:19 That was nice.

Joe Rogan 28:20 It was close. (sniffs) Now, right here. (laughs) Oh, this is so crazy, Max. Oh.

Max Holloway 28:29 That was crazy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 It's the, the greatest. It has to be the greatest knockout. (crowd cheering) It has to be.

Narrator 28:34 Oh. Big connection. Ready? Oh. Let's go.

Joe Rogan 28:40 And then you (laughs) and then you flexing, walking around. Come on, man.

Max Holloway 28:44 Bro.

Joe Rogan 28:44 This is... That's the greatest knockout of all time.

Max Holloway 28:46 Bro, they got, they got this, the sickest picture of me, bro. They have the sickest picture of me when, when I'm flexing and I'm over... I like... I love Justin, bro. I freaking love the man, but they have like the, you know, like the Muhammad, the Muhammad Ali picture?

Joe Rogan 28:59 Yeah.

Max Holloway 28:59 Yeah, they got a moment of me like that, so... And then he-

Joe Rogan 29:01 I got a painting for you. I told you I got a...

Max Holloway 29:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:03 Ross Baines, he's a amazing artist. He made a incredible painting and it's, it's on the way. I had someone go back to my house, go grab it.

Max Holloway 29:09 Sick.

Joe Rogan 29:10 It's on the way.

Max Holloway 29:11 Sick.

Joe Rogan 29:11 But yeah, that was a, that was a wild moment, man. It ch- it, it just complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights. Like, you are the fucking man now.

Max Holloway 29:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:22 Like, whatever, whatever next pay-per-view you're in, holy shit, that's gonna be big.

Max Holloway 29:28 Bro, I can't wait.

Joe Rogan 29:28 And if it's you and Makhachev or if it's you and Ilia, you and Ilia would be crazy.

Max Holloway 29:34 Brother, brother. So much fun.

Joe Rogan 29:36 Woo.

Max Holloway 29:36 So much fun, brother. I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 29:38 Is that Spain? Is that 305... When is the there gonna be a UFC Sp- Perth is 305, right?

Max Holloway 29:44 I, I don't think they're gonna go Spain this year. I don't think-

Joe Rogan 29:47 No?

Max Holloway 29:47 ... they can. I think so. Dana White said it, uh, said it in the, uh, in the 300 conference.

Joe Rogan 29:52 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 29:52 After fight conference, he said that, um, uh, "We're going with Spain. It just takes a time because you gotta book something and it's like gonna be like a year and out." So-

Joe Rogan 30:01 Good. That fight should be in Vegas.

Max Holloway 30:01 I mean, it su- yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 30:02 Vegas. Let's go Vegas.

Max Holloway 30:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:04 Or-

Max Holloway 30:04 I hope, I hope, I hope Vegas.

Joe Rogan 30:05 ... or Madison Square Garden.

Max Holloway 30:06 Yeah. Or, or, or, uh, Vegas Allegiant Stadium.

Joe Rogan 30:11 Oh.

Max Holloway 30:12 66,000. Brother, that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 30:15 (inhales deeply)

Max Holloway 30:16 Did you, you was there 300 night. Bro, did you not see all the Hawaiian flags?

Joe Rogan 30:20 They were everywhere.

Max Holloway 30:21 Bro, that's the s- that, that-

Joe Rogan 30:22 Ninth island.

Max Holloway 30:22 ... is the ninth island, brother. Give me-

Joe Rogan 30:24 (laughs)

Max Holloway 30:24 You cannot go... You, we can't go to UFC Hawaii. Give me Allegiant Stadium, unless, less, less-

Joe Rogan 30:30 Oh, my god.

Max Holloway 30:31 ... go crazy there.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Oh, my god. Oh, my god. You could sell it. A- Allegiant Stadium for a big UFC, 100% they could sell it. I mean, every UFC sells out like that. They sell out so quick.

Max Holloway 30:41 Oh, so, so quick.

Joe Rogan 30:41 Because they scalp tickets. And a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card.

Max Holloway 30:46 Oh, my god.

Joe Rogan 30:46 'Cause you know they're doing the sphere, which is gonna be wild.

Max Holloway 30:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:49 That's gonna be wild.

Max Holloway 30:50 Who you think, who you think will be in the sphere?

Joe Rogan 30:52 That's a good question, right? 'Cause that's... Isn't it... It's Mexican Independence Day?

Narrator 30:56 Yeah, I feel like it's September or something.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Yes, it's September.

Max Holloway 30:59 Yeah, well, uh, Mexicans-

Joe Rogan 31:00 So, who... I don't think they have it set up, like, who would-

Max Holloway 31:02 Yeah, Mexicans like to call me as their own, so I might even be in the sphere. Who knows?

Joe Rogan 31:07 (laughs) They count you?

Max Holloway 31:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:08 For your style?

Max Holloway 31:08 Yeah. Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Yeah, man. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Fuck, what a crazy night, Max. What a crazy night. And, uh, to, to have that happen. Again, like, we're... There's two amazing fights after yours.

Max Holloway 31:20 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:21 And everybody's still just talking about your fight.

Max Holloway 31:22 Yeah, I know. I was... I mean, even with the, uh... I remember as soon as the fight happened, you know, a couple minutes after, uh, my, uh, my agent, Tim Simpson, came in and he told me, "Hey." He's like, "Brother, they just put your knockout on top of, on top of Instagram. On, and YouTube and everything." I was like, "What?" I was like-

Joe Rogan 31:40 They never do that.

Max Holloway 31:40 Yeah, they was like, they never do that. They only did this for... They only did it for Suga. And I was like, "What? This is crazy." So we saw. I thought they was lying, you know? And they saw, it was there.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Three different angle... And I reposted it.

Max Holloway 31:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:51 I was like, "If UFC is posting this, I'm posting this shit too."

Max Holloway 31:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:53 Like, this is the craziest knockout of all time.

Max Holloway 31:55 Bro, the craziest angle is the one when they, they, they, they, they paused me and then they did-

Joe Rogan 32:00 Oh, the 360, yeah.

Max Holloway 32:00 ... they do a 360 view and then they play it again. I'm like, bro, that, that's, that's insane, bro.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yeah. It w-... What does it feel like when it's all over? Does it feel like a dream? Like, what does it feel like when it's over?

Max Holloway 32:11 Brother, I st-... I, you know, like, I stood, I'm still getting used to it. I don't even know, you know. I feel normal. I stood, life's still normal but like, I'm getting... Brother, walking down 6th Street last night to get, go get my dinner, I was getting harassed.

Joe Rogan 32:23 (laughs)

Max Holloway 32:23 Like, not harassed, like nicely harassed. But like people that get harassed-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Yeah.

Max Holloway 32:26 Like, I, you're getting... I always get noticed, but these guys, like, it's a, it's out and about way more, you know? And so, it's just ama-... Bro, even like guys who don't even look like they watch fighting. You know, grandmas and grandpas at airports, they, "Hey, you're, you're the guy." Yeah, I'm like, "Yeah, I'm, I'm the guy." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:42 (laughs) Well, that clip got so viral too. You know, that c- that clip was so viral. It was everywhere. It was TikTok and YouTube. It was everywhere.

Max Holloway 32:48 Yeah, bro, we, uh... My, so one of, one of... My other agent on our team, Daniel, he did like a, he's like a numbers guy or whatever, and the Google, the Google Search on me was like crazy, bro. I think so, I think so. It was in like the billions.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Phew.

Max Holloway 33:03 Like after, after fi-... It was insane. It was something stupid. I was like, "Oh, wow, I didn't even know you could look that up." I told 'em.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah. That's what makes it very interesting for your next fight. Because your next fight is gonna be huge. It's gonna be huge. Like, you're a fucking bonafide superstar now. Like, your next fight's gonna be nuts.

Max Holloway 33:22 Can't wait, bro. Can't wait. I don't know who it is, who it was, what, what the UFC wanna do, but, um, like you said that option, bro, in this game you always want options.

Joe Rogan 33:31 There's so many options.

Max Holloway 33:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:31 And there's so many options in your area too, right? Like, Suga has been talking about fighting Topuria at 45. Well, if Suga's willing to fight Topuria at 45, he's willing to fight Max at 45.

Max Holloway 33:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:42 Right?

Max Holloway 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:43 That gets, that gets-

Max Holloway 33:43 Yeah, it would be fun.

Joe Rogan 33:44 ... crazy.

Max Holloway 33:45 It ma- It ma-

Joe Rogan 33:45 There's crazy match ups all over the place.

Max Holloway 33:47 I- i- in a perfect world, you actually... In a perfect world, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 33:51 Yeah.

Max Holloway 33:51 In a perfect world, if I could have it my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight Conor. You know, I think that Con- that Conor fight would be huge or whatever, but we don't know what he's gonna do. So like if, if that's out, in a perfect world, to me, it would be fight Ilia, 45 title, get my hand raised, and whoever's the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ status, whatever it is. Or even three belts. You know, like, 45, the BMF, and then put it... put the BMF and the 55 against whoever has 55, and that'd be, that'd be surreal, you know? I think that'd be crazy, crazy steps.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Well, there's another option too. If they really do this Conor 165 title, there's an option of you being a three champ.

Max Holloway 34:31 That would be insane. If they did the 165-

Joe Rogan 34:33 You, you g-

Max Holloway 34:34 ... it would be fun. It would be fun, though.

Joe Rogan 34:35 You wouldn't have to cut any weight.

Max Holloway 34:36 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 34:36 You could eat sushi every day.

Max Holloway 34:37 No, I would eat sushi... I would eat sushi way every day.

Joe Rogan 34:40 (laughs)

Max Holloway 34:40 As I-... I would eat on, on the, on the scale.

Joe Rogan 34:43 What is, what is your walk around weight? Like, what's right now?

Max Holloway 34:46 Me, right now, I walk around like s-... At... Before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70, 75. Nothing crazy.

Joe Rogan 34:53 Oh, that's not too crazy.

Max Holloway 34:54 Yeah, nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. I wa- I was in there against, uh... They make us check our weight now, and I was, I was only 172 when we, when we were in, in, in against, uh, Gaethje, this last one.

Joe Rogan 35:04 When you were fighting at featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought?

Max Holloway 35:08 I'd b- I would be around like 65. I'd get up high 60s. Maybe 68 at the highest.

Joe Rogan 35:12 So did you... I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning. Your, your YouTube channel is great, by the way.

Max Holloway 35:17 Oh, thank you, brother.

Joe Rogan 35:18 And it's, it's really cool how you document pretty much everything. You're showing all your training, all the different stuff.

Max Holloway 35:23 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 35:23 So, you did a lot of strength and conditioning.

Max Holloway 35:25 We did a lot of strength. We did a lot of strength. So, a lot of people was talking about, um, matching Gaethje's strength. And, and, and, I, w-... Our team didn't want to. We wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast. We knew we was faster than Gaethje. So, our, our main focus... Everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to, o- of course endure his strikes, you know? But the main thing that we want to focus on was, was speed. Like, I knew I could, I could out go-... out, outgun him and then in the fifth round when we r- really hurt him, hurt him, I outgunned him with speed, you know? I hit like... I hit him with like five, five hits and, and the one that you don't see hurt you the most, you know? And the last right hand in that, in that little combination early in the fifth round is what hurt him the most, you know? Made him like... I, I, I stunned him a little bit. So, we're just working on speed rather, you know? Like, we had 12 weeks. You rea- you really can't... I wasn't willing to give... to put strain to give up conditioning.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 36:14 So, I was like, "I wanna be speed and conditioning." And that's the way I fight, you know? I, I, uh... If you go look at it, a lot of people is looking at stats from mine and his fight about like the... how much he's throwing strikes and how much I, I throw in strikes, how mu- how much he gets hit, which was less than how much I get hit. And I was like, "Brother, that cannot be right." And then the stats is, you know, and I'm like, "No way." And then when you look at the stats, this guy had 12 fights and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC. That's what come our stats is so close to each other because I have so much more fights than hi- his sm-... And then even now what I had a lot of time in the octagon.... and he just didn't, 'cause he would (laughs) he would knock guys out, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 36:50 Yeah. (laughs)

Max Holloway 36:51 He had, (laughs) he had that beautiful power. So, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, uh, the numbers, some of the numbers that these guys is putting out there, I was like, "Brother, you guys need to do you guys' homework." You know? Like, "You g- you n- stop looking at the surface level. Like, start digging deep into it."

Joe Rogan 37:03 Yeah. Yeah. Um, when you... uh, uh, it was interesting, the way you just said about, uh, strength and conditioning. You, you're not willing to give up conditioning for strength.

Max Holloway 37:10 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 37:11 So, w- i- so, how do you approach that? Like, when you, when you made a decision to go to 55? So, the Poirier fight, you go to 55, but you did it on pretty short notice, right? How-

Max Holloway 37:20 Yeah. Yeah, we had, we ha- we had like... So, the way we train is I always take two weeks off before a fight. So, it was like six weeks, and then so we actually had four weeks to train for it, man. I was like... I mean, g- pull up the picture of Poirier punching me in my face. There's a famous picture of Poirier punching me in my face and I, I look fat.

Joe Rogan 37:37 Expl- explain that. When you said you take, uh, two weeks off before the fight. What do you mean?

Max Holloway 37:41 So, like, uh, like strength and conditioning. So, I don't do no strength and conditioning, like, the week before the fight. Like, maybe we do like a little lift or whatever, but it's just something you maintain. Like, 'cause you can't get faster or stronger two weeks before a fight.

Joe Rogan 37:52 Right.

Max Holloway 37:52 Or even the week, right? So, uh, even with cardio, it's not gonna... Anything I do the week before the fight is not gonna help me, and anything I do the week, uh, of the fight is not gonna help you. You, you... All the hard work is done.

Joe Rogan 38:02 Right.

Max Holloway 38:02 And that's what these guys... Yeah, look, look how, look how fat I was.

Joe Rogan 38:05 (laughs)

Max Holloway 38:05 Look at that ph- look at that top right one. That top right one, right there. Look how fat I was. Yeah, look at that. Yeah. That's Muffin Top Maxx, brother.

Joe Rogan 38:13 (laughs) so, you just-

Max Holloway 38:14 And he zooms in. Wow!

Joe Rogan 38:16 (laughs)

Max Holloway 38:16 Wow, you're an asshole, huh?

Joe Rogan 38:17 Nah. (laughs)

Max Holloway 38:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:21 So, you only had four weeks, and there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks?

Max Holloway 38:26 Or anything, you know. And I was like, uh... And I, I didn't, uh, I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time, so you know, eating meals was crazy before. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:34 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 38:34 I ate out every night. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:36 (laughs)

Max Holloway 38:36 I was terrible. Now she cooks me-

Joe Rogan 38:37 Yeah.

Max Holloway 38:37 ... now she kee- uh, keeps me clean. So, it is what it is, you know. I hate using exper- uh, uh, excuses, 'cause you know, Dustin, I came out there and fought hard. And we fought hard. And I ain't taking nothing away from Dustin. So, whatever I did was on me, and you know, I... If that fight, if, if we had a third one, then that wou- th- I think it would be a f- pretty fun one.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Oh, it would be amazing. That would be wild. A third fight between you guys would be wild. Especially if he beats Islam. If he beats Islam, that's like a no-brainer.

Max Holloway 39:03 That'd be crazy. Yeah, yeah. How much-

Joe Rogan 39:04 That's a no-brainer.

Max Holloway 39:05 ... how much is the, how much is the odds on betting on him dropping a ghillie? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:09 He's gonna try.

Max Holloway 39:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:11 (laughs) He... You know, I didn't know that he was referencing William Montgomery, the comedian. When he... "I ain't never gonna stop."

Max Holloway 39:18 Oh, for real? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:19 That's what he was doing.

Max Holloway 39:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:19 He was doing William Montgomery from Kill Tony.

Max Holloway 39:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:22 I didn't know. And I'm, uh, friends with William Montgomery. I love that dude. And I was just-

Max Holloway 39:26 You're not a, you're not a good friend then, yo. What the hell? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:28 You know, I felt like a bad friend. But it really, what it is is like, when I'm doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that, you, y- i- interviews are complicated. Like-

Max Holloway 39:36 You're locked in, bro.

Joe Rogan 39:37 ... I'm trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible. I'm trying to stay out of the way. But I'm also trying to ask questions. And so, I didn't pick up on it.

Max Holloway 39:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Plus I didn't... I was like, "No way." No way.

Max Holloway 39:48 Yeah, you're lock- you're locked in, bro. You're locked in.

Joe Rogan 39:50 But Tony texted me. He goes, uh, "Did he just quote William Montgomery?" I'm like, "No way. Really? Is that what that was?"

Max Holloway 39:55 And then w- and then Willie texted you, "Fuck you." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:59 (laughs) Right? No, they had been going back and forth. He apparently... Dustin told him he was gonna say it in his post-fight-

Max Holloway 40:03 Oh, for real?

Joe Rogan 40:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've been DMing each other.

Max Holloway 40:05 Oh, that's awesome.

Joe Rogan 40:06 Yeah, it's hilarious.

Max Holloway 40:07 That's, bro, Dustin, Dustin's the man, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Yeah.

Narrator 40:09 With this beautiful uppercut. Now, he had been pressuring you. There have been moments in the fight where you chose to jump to guard and try to grab a guillotine.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Uh.

Narrator 40:19 Yeah, I'll do it and I'll never stop doing it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:21 (laughs)

Narrator 40:21 I'll never stop doing it.

Joe Rogan 40:26 (laughs)

Narrator 40:26 That was brilliant.

Joe Rogan 40:26 (laughs)

Max Holloway 40:26 Bro, Dustin, Dustin's one of those... Bro, he's one of the good guys in our sport. I love that guy, man.

Joe Rogan 40:30 He's a great guy. He's a great guy. I love Dustin. I love Dustin. And I was glad for him to get that, that win over... Benoit St-Denis is a monster.

Max Holloway 40:38 Monster. Killer, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:39 He's a monster.

Max Holloway 40:39 He's a killer, bro.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Yeah. And that's another fight, right? Look, St- St-Denis gets staph.

Max Holloway 40:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:43 So, he's got staph on his forehead.

Max Holloway 40:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:45 He's gotta take antibiotics.

Max Holloway 40:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Drain... Have you ever had staph?

Max Holloway 40:48 No, bro. Knock on wood.

Joe Rogan 40:49 Wow.

Max Holloway 40:49 Knock on wood.

Joe Rogan 40:49 That's amazing.

Max Holloway 40:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:50 How'd you, how have you avoided staph?

Max Holloway 40:51 Nah, brother. I'm clean, I guess.

Joe Rogan 40:54 I guess. (laughs)

Max Holloway 40:54 I guess.

Joe Rogan 40:55 You're doing something right.

Max Holloway 40:55 Dude is... Uh, some guys are some dirty mother effers, I think. You know?

Joe Rogan 40:58 Well, you could get staph easy.

Max Holloway 41:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:00 You could get staph easy.

Max Holloway 41:01 Nah, I know, I know some guys, uh... Some p- I mean, once it's in your, in your system, you just, it just, you gotta get reawakened, right? So, just... One of our friends, like, he's pretty bad with it. Like, he's always got staph. Like, every other week feels like.

Joe Rogan 41:12 Oh, really?

Max Holloway 41:13 Yeah, it's terrible. It is terrible.

Joe Rogan 41:15 Wh- does he take showers?

Max Holloway 41:16 Brother, he does. He does everything. I don't know what it is. It's just bad luck, I think.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Another thing is like, people mistakenly use antibacterial soap. Like, you don't want antibacterial soap. You wanna keep your healthy gut flora. I tell everybody, uh, uh, I don't n- obje... I know the guy who owns the company. I have no affiliation with him. But Defense Soap. If you're a grappler, it's the shit. Defense Soap is all natural. It's like tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil. And he has all kinds of products. Everything from stuff to clean, like wipes if you can't like, uh, get to a shower quick enough. If, you know, if you're training at a place that's kinda dingy and doesn't have a shower.

Max Holloway 41:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 They have wipes until you get home. They have soaps and ointments and-

Max Holloway 41:56 That's the most crazy thing, bro, right? When people like... I see people like... We train, and then we have a shower at the gym, and some of them just like change their clothes and they're like, "I gotta go." I was like, "The f- what the hell? Did you shower?" They say, "No, no. I gotta leave." I was like, "The hell? No way." You know? Like, I-

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah.

Max Holloway 42:12 ... I live like 45 mi... Some of them, some of them live like maybe 15 minutes.

Joe Rogan 42:16 Yeah.

Max Holloway 42:16 But 15 minutes is enough for ringworm or something to fucking wake up. You know?

Joe Rogan 42:20 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 42:20 So, it's like, brother, just jump in there and get a rinse off.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Yeah, I've had ringworm. I've had staph twice. I've had ringworm a couple of times. It's annoying. It's annoying. But-

Max Holloway 42:28 Oh, ringworm is irritating. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:29 ... not... The Defense Soap is the shit. I tell everybody, "Get on that." To just make... And it doesn't mess up, 'cause it's all natural. It's like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil. It smells good, but it doesn't fuck up your skin flora.

Max Holloway 42:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 I had a... I knew this dude who had ringworm, and so he started using antibacterial soap, and then he got it everywhere.

Max Holloway 42:46 Yeah. Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 42:46 He got it all... It spread all over his chest.

Max Holloway 42:48 And then what it does too, it burns your skin.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Yeah.

Max Holloway 42:50 So like, so like, when you use that kinda stuff with ringworm, I remember people used to like bleach 'em.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Yes.

Max Holloway 42:55 And then like you'd, you'd be bleached... You'd have a bleach circle. Like a four-

Joe Rogan 42:59 A s- yeah, like a burn.

Max Holloway 42:59 Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:00 Yeah, it's crazy.

Max Holloway 43:01 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 43:02 Yeah, a lot of psycho dudes use bleach.That's a crazy move.

Max Holloway 43:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:05 Pour bleach on an open wound. Like, what the fuck are you... What are you doing, man? So, um, so th- for, for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were gonna fight at 55, and that you were gonna fight Justin?

Max Holloway 43:18 Brother, there, so there, there, there is an idea of maybe. A maybe that it was gonna happen for a while, but we didn't know. And then we got, we got confirmed. I think it was like 10 to 12 weeks, you know. Like, I, I don't know what it was. So it was like 10 to 12 weeks. So it was like more than enough time. This was like-

Joe Rogan 43:33 Plenty of time.

Max Holloway 43:33 Yeah, we had so much time, brother. We was planning. I got to train, I got to lift. I was already... We was training a lot. My last fight was in August. So I was in, I was in the gym training, getting ready. Brother, after the Volk... After the Volk and, uh, Islam 2 fight, I was like, "There is no way they're letting this guy turn around." So I, I really thought they was gonna try and ask me, me, uh, to go fight Ilia in January or something because I, I went to Toronto. I fought in Toronto twice. I won an interim. I defended the belt there. I, I have a following in Toronto. I call it a tent island, you know. I like to call it, but-

Joe Rogan 44:08 (laughs)

Max Holloway 44:08 I love the Canadians, bro. They're, they're, they're literally the best. So I was thinking like, "Man, they would... They, they, we're gonna get called." You know, like, there's, there's no way that he's gonna fight. And then he did. He, we... They just moved it from January to February. They, they put the other card or whatever. They, they switched it around. So we was... I was already training and then, yeah. I couldn't tell you when, but I knew we had at least 12 weeks.

Joe Rogan 44:30 So-

Max Holloway 44:30 At least 12 weeks.

Joe Rogan 44:31 ... when did, did you know that it was gonna be 55? And when did you know it was gonna be for the BMF belt?

Max Holloway 44:37 Twel- twel-

Joe Rogan 44:37 That was 12 weeks.

Max Holloway 44:38 ... t- 12 weeks, 12 weeks.

Joe Rogan 44:38 So had you already had a plan to put weight on? Had you already had a plan, like strength and conditioning plan? And did you-

Max Holloway 44:44 Oh, for sure. As so- as soon as we... As soon as the talks of maybe we might even fight Gaethje at all, was like, we just gotta... We... Our plan was what I say, was like, we gotta put on size to endure damage, but then let's not lose this speed. That was my, my, my, my, my head coach, Daron Yap, a tactical and strength... The best strength and conditioning in all of Hawaii. And if somebody got a problem, then they can, they can meet me somewhere, anywhere, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:09 (laughs)

Max Holloway 45:09 But, but in all... Jokes aside, he's the, he's the man, bro. And he's the one that was like, "Yeah, you know," like, I, I... Like, "Look, I know you wanna get strong, Max." He's the one that came up with it. He's like, "I know you wanna get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro. We still need your speed and we gotta outwork this guy." You know, like alw- he always weaponized my cardio. He was like, "Brother, whoever we fight, you're gonna outwork them. So let's just get your speed up, stay fast, get a little bit bigger without being too much to get... to, to..." W- he, he didn't... He was the main one. He's like, "I don't wanna give up strength. Uh, uh, uh, I don't wanna give up conditioning for strength, brother." Like, "You're strong-"

Joe Rogan 45:41 Because the idea is the more muscle you have-

Max Holloway 45:43 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:43 ... the more endurance it's gonna require.

Max Holloway 45:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Yeah.

Max Holloway 45:45 And, and es- especially like, even if with, with everybody, like I trained with bigger guys, you know, here and there. And I never ever once felt like, "Holy shit, this guy is so much stronger than me." Like, I never ever once felt that way. You know, you hear these talks of some people saying, "Oh, this guy's really strong," so I try to go with them. I was like, "Ah, he's all right," you know. It's not like, "Oh my God, he's gonna be strong." So I felt like I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess. Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know. And, uh, and that's what it is, you know. I keep telling... A lot of these, a lot of these MMA guys or just people coming up, or even my amateur... uh, that are amateur fighters that's coming up. I just keep telling them, like, "Brother, there's no difference between me and you. The only difference is my experience." You know, like, the... Even with, with... Even with UFC fighters, you know, like, the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset, you know. Top 10 to five, experience, mindset. Five to the championship, same thing, and then the champion, maybe like the top three guys after that. It's like... It's just a mind, it's a mind thing, brother. This shit is easy. Most of these things that... it's hard, is because you make it hard.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 46:54 A lot of guys make it hard for themself. I'm like, "What are you doing? You're beating yourself up for what? This is just fucking practice. Get better." You know what I mean? That's all you gotta do. Stop, stop beating yourself up and, um...

Joe Rogan 47:03 But you have a great mentality for that. You're able to like, go past losses easily.

Max Holloway 47:07 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:07 It is what it is and you keep moving-

Max Holloway 47:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:09 ... and you're on the path.

Max Holloway 47:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:11 But for some people-

Max Holloway 47:12 It's tough.

Joe Rogan 47:12 ... like, the losses are devastating-

Max Holloway 47:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:13 ... because their whole identity is based on success.

Max Holloway 47:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:16 And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser.

Max Holloway 47:18 But even with that, the whole identity thing, i- i- that's what it is. Like, even when like, uh, you see guys who, uh, retiring from other sports or our sport, like, they have that identity crisis-

Joe Rogan 47:27 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 47:27 ... because they're so known for one thing.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Yep.

Max Holloway 47:29 And that's when I tell them, like, that's why I love doing other stuff. Like people, bro... Oh my God, I stream. I stream on Kick now. I stream on kick.com and, um... Brother, I... During the whole fight, I'm streaming. They're like, "Yup, thank you for this, Max. I'm putting my house on Gaethje now. He's training while you're playing fucking video games." I'm like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 47:49 (laughs)

Max Holloway 47:49 I was like, "Bro, I need to be training for 24 hours a day?"

Joe Rogan 47:52 (laughs)

Max Holloway 47:52 Like a fucking cyborg or something? What the hell? Like... They're like, "Yup, yup, yup, you, yeah. L- look at you over here." I freaking... I do slots on there, you know. I gambl-... Like, we play funny. Like, "Yup, look at you doing this shit, losing money. You're gonna lose your fight too." I'm like, "What the f-..." Like, "Bro-

Joe Rogan 48:07 Listen-

Max Holloway 48:07 ... you can't catch a break, bro."

Joe Rogan 48:08 ... those are just losers.

Max Holloway 48:09 Brother.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Unfortunately, I don't mean anything bad to you guys out there, but if you're commenting to a guy like that, you're a loser.

Max Holloway 48:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:16 There's no way you're a winner. It's not possible. It's not possible that you're excelling at whatever you do. No one comes to you like, "That's Mike, he's the best."

Max Holloway 48:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:25 No one, no chance.

Max Holloway 48:26 No one, no one. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:26 If you're c- commenting like that on people, you're just... you're a loser. And that's unfortunate. I've been a loser in my life, you know. It's, it's, uh, it's common.

Max Holloway 48:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:35 It's common, but you're a loser. (laughs)

Max Holloway 48:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:39 And winners don't think that way. And the idea that a guy can't play some video games and unwind while he's in the middle of camp, you're outta your fucking mind. You don't understand-

Max Holloway 48:46 Yeah, brother, it's like-

Joe Rogan 48:47 ... you don't understand what you're talking about.

Max Holloway 48:48 That's why, like, as... I l- I l- I like ta- talking to Mighty, because Mighty... Me and Mighty did an interview, and Mighty's-

Joe Rogan 48:52 Mighty's the best.

Max Holloway 48:53 Yeah, he's the man. And he was just telling me... Like, it's so funny, 'cause every time I tell everybody, like, "Fighting is easy," like, a lot of people look at me crazy. They're like, "What do you mean?" See, I was like, "Bro, anything you do in life is easy. It's just that...... you make it hard.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Yeah.

Max Holloway 49:06 A lot of assholes make it hard for themself. Like, y- i- it's actually pretty easy, you know. It's like, if you look at the steps, these are the steps. Yeah, you might fall down in, in the sense of, in the sense of actually getting it done, it's gonna be hard work. But it's easy, 'cause you know what you gotta do, right? And I told Mighty, when I told Mighty about fighting, Mighty was the first guy ever that said, like, "Bro, that's what I tell everybody. I tell fighting is easy."

Joe Rogan 49:27 (laughs)

Max Holloway 49:27 I was like, holy shit. If the MMA GOAT is telling you fighting is easy, stop harassing me, go harass him.

Joe Rogan 49:33 (laughs)

Max Holloway 49:33 You know what I mean? Go tell him. He said it too.

Joe Rogan 49:35 I think it's easy for you, and I think it's easy for Mighty because you guys are real champions. You have this champion mindset, and that's what people need to learn. They need to learn a mindset for improvement, a mindset for getting better at things, and a mindset for staying positive.

Max Holloway 49:51 100%.

Joe Rogan 49:52 That's what it's, uh, that's really what it's about.

Max Holloway 49:54 100%.

Joe Rogan 49:54 You can apply that to anything in life. So, a guy like you (sniffs) that's a champion in MMA, you could do anything, man.

Max Holloway 50:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:00 All you need is just, like, whatever that thing is, focus on that thing, and if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career...

Max Holloway 50:08 Oh, yeah. As I told, I, I, I tell everybody, I told, uh... It's so funny, whenever me and my (laughs) me and my wife ... She always, alwa-... I was like, "You so lucky I wasn't a surfer. I would've been a world-champion surfer."

Joe Rogan 50:18 (laughs)

Max Holloway 50:18 And she al-... she always (laughs) ... I s-... I, I'm bad at surfing, okay? I'm bad, but I told her, "But you're lucky that I don't put my effort into it-

Joe Rogan 50:25 Yeah.

Max Holloway 50:25 ... 'cause I wanna be badass." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yeah, I'm sure, and that's a fact. How did you get so good at that jump-spinning back kick?

Max Holloway 50:32 Brother, just practice, bro. I'd-

Joe Rogan 50:33 Did anybody show you the-

Max Holloway 50:35 Do... No, do you remember, do you remember me telling you? It was here. It's a viral clip of what we ... learning strikes from the game. That was one of the strikes.

Joe Rogan 50:42 Yeah.

Max Holloway 50:43 That's one of the strikes, brother. I saw the strikes from the game. I was like-

Joe Rogan 50:46 (laughs)

Max Holloway 50:46 ... Renan Barao, Renan Barao threw it-

Joe Rogan 50:48 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 50:48 ... threw it, threw it nice. So I was like, with Dustin Kimura, I told him, "Brother, we need to do this spinning back kick shit."

Joe Rogan 50:53 Yeah.

Max Holloway 50:54 "It's just, it's just so good and it's a secret weapon." And, and then the thing is funny 'cause, uh, in the game, I was throwing it close. Like, a lot of people throw it from distance-

Joe Rogan 51:02 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 51:02 ... but I throw it really close-

Joe Rogan 51:04 Yes.

Max Holloway 51:04 ... like, almost in clinch.

Joe Rogan 51:05 That's why I asked.

Max Holloway 51:05 And, yeah. A- a- and I, and I told him, like, "Bro, this is gonna be a secret weapon." I remember Dustin Kimura, he, he, he was in the UFC for a little bit. And, um, and I t-... and I was trying to make him practice it with me. He's... he... I remember him saying one time, like, "Fuck this kick. This kick is stupid as hell." And then, uh, h-... we kept practicing, kept practicing. Uh, uh, another guy, a big guy came down, trained with us, and he dropped him when the spinning back kick. And from the clinch, right? And I was like, "W- what I told you, brother. I told you, this fucking kick is a secret weapon."

Joe Rogan 51:32 How were you practicing it close up? What's the drill?

Max Holloway 51:35 We... We... He would just stand close. I was like, "Bro, like, I, I wish..." W- I'd get my timing from, from it being a distance first-

Joe Rogan 51:40 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 51:41 ... and then we'd be, like, little bit closer, and be like, "Bro, we gotta... All we gotta focus on is bringing our knee up and then, and then pushing it out at the last second." And the main thing was just bringing your knee up and snapping your head around. Snap your head around first, see where you're gonna land so you don't kick each other in the freaking groin area, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 51:55 Right.

Max Holloway 51:55 ... it happened a couple times (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 51:57 Yes.

Max Holloway 51:57 ... to me and him, so. But yeah, it was like, bring your knee up, how I look, and then s-... and then push it.

Joe Rogan 52:03 Y- do, do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag?

Max Holloway 52:05 Yeah, I practiced on the bag.

Joe Rogan 52:06 Like, touch the bag-

Max Holloway 52:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:07 ... with your shoulder?

Max Holloway 52:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to.

Joe Rogan 52:07 It just jumps back-

Max Holloway 52:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:09 ... like, jump back and, and kick?

Max Holloway 52:10 And ju-... I'd, I create my distance from jump-... me jumping away from the bag-

Joe Rogan 52:12 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 52:12 ... and then stabbing.

Joe Rogan 52:13 Yes.

Max Holloway 52:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:13 Exactly.

Max Holloway 52:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:14 If you can y-... develop that, that is a secret weapon. Because it's one of those techniques, it's like, you remember when the calf kick came along? Everybody's gotta throw a calf kick.

Max Holloway 52:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:23 If you could develop that, Yair has it.

Max Holloway 52:25 Oh, yeah, he's sick.

Joe Rogan 52:25 Yair does it really well.

Max Holloway 52:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:26 But this was a giant moment in the beginning-

Max Holloway 52:29 Bro, this is huge.

Joe Rogan 52:29 ... of the fi-... Like, look how close you are, look how close you are. To be able to get that off from there, and then hit him in the nose, his nose was gone.

Max Holloway 52:36 Yeah, it was broken, bro.

Joe Rogan 52:37 I mean, you shattered his nose at the very end of the first round, and from, from then on. What a fucking fight, man.

Max Holloway 52:45 Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 52:45 I watched that fight at least 10 times.

Max Holloway 52:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:48 No bullshit, at least.

Max Holloway 52:49 That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 52:49 I've watched it over and over again in the gym.

Max Holloway 52:51 I w- I w- I would lie to tell you if I didn't watch it-

Joe Rogan 52:53 A-

Max Holloway 52:53 ... that much times too (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 52:54 And look, dude, I always pause. I always pause, no matter what I'm doing. If I'm at the gym, I pause for that last 10 seconds.

Max Holloway 53:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:01 Just like this. Like, "How is this real? How is this real?" But you got that jump-spinning back kick down, dude. You, you got it down, um, in the most unusual way, which is this st-... hop back and then throw it.

Max Holloway 53:13 You n-...

Joe Rogan 53:13 Like, Raymond Daniels does that really good.

Max Holloway 53:15 Yeah. Bro, even y-... even you, like, back in the day when it was a video game, and then I started looking at spinning back kicks. I re-... there's a clip of you hitting a fucking kill in the back, bro.

Joe Rogan 53:23 Yeah.

Max Holloway 53:23 I was like, "What the fuck? Joe Rogan can fight?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:26 Yeah.

Max Holloway 53:26 I was like, "What the hell is going on? This guy kill you with a spinning back kick."

Joe Rogan 53:29 There's only one clip of me in a TaeKwonDo fight, and it's me knocking a dude out with a spinning back kick.

Max Holloway 53:34 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 53:34 And I send him flying.

Max Holloway 53:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:35 It was... But it's the same exact move.

Max Holloway 53:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:37 The guy's moving forward, and I just jump and spin at the same time. It was the same move-

Max Holloway 53:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:41 ... 'cause I was, like, in the air-

Max Holloway 53:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 ... when I landed it.

Max Holloway 53:43 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 53:44 That was my favorite thing to do. So when I see a guy like you doing it from up close, and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games-

Max Holloway 53:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:51 ... which is so cra-... When you told me that the first time, I was like, "What?" I thought, "Oh, he went to, like, a traditional karate school, and then he started studying Muay Thai when he was 10." No.

Max Holloway 54:00 No.

Joe Rogan 54:00 No.

Max Holloway 54:01 No.

Joe Rogan 54:01 It's-

Max Holloway 54:01 No, no. We sa-... I saw cool stuff happening in the game. I was like, "Oh, bro, we could put this together in real life." And Du-... Bro, Dustin ... We never had a striking coach, you know? I didn't have Ivan yet. And then, uh, after the Conor fight is when Ivan, Ivan Flores joined my camp, so. And then with him, what I... Bro, Ivan is a genius. Like, he's like real ... like he r-... he, like, he loves the basic stuff, but then when I try to tell him, or, or show him fancy stuff, or I see Muay Thai doing shit, like, sweep the leg and like-

Joe Rogan 54:24 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 54:24 ... elbow and stuff or whatever, it's like, it's crazy, you know. Like, uh, even, even this fight we saw, like, uh, if you watch the fight, a bunch of times I'm, I'm doing this, uh, right kick-I do this right kick and then I just step over on my right hand against Gaethje.

Joe Rogan 54:37 Mm-hmm. Yes.

Max Holloway 54:38 I just saw... We saw that, like, we pr- I practiced that. I threw that a bunch of times in other fights. But then, like, two weeks before the fight, uh, he sent me a clip on Instagram there, "Oh, look at this, watch this." And it was, uh, I forget who it was, but the guy, the Muay, the Muay Thai guy was right kicking. He set up with a right low kick. Next one, right low kick, right overhand.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 54:55 And like hurt and kills guys, bro.

Joe Rogan 54:56 Yes.

Max Holloway 54:56 He's like downing guys with it.

Joe Rogan 54:57 Yes.

Max Holloway 54:57 And then I was like, "Holy shit." Uh, we know, we know Justin, uh, likes to, like, stay there after kicks to, to throw.

Joe Rogan 55:04 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 55:05 So I was like, "Brother, this is gonna work on Justin." So we just kinda added it in our game. I told him, "Bro, I think I'm gonna throw this in the fight." He's like, "Yeah, let's practice it." You know, so Ivan, Ivan Flores is the man, bro. He's the man.

Joe Rogan 55:14 You have an amazing camp.

Max Holloway 55:15 Yeah, bro. All my coaches are the man, bro.

Joe Rogan 55:17 You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people. But you also, uh, it's the argument that, uh, a lot of guys have been making, that a smaller camp is maybe better for some athletes. 'Cause there's a lot of guys who wanna go to, like, ATT, but, you know, the guy... Like, I talked to Jim Miller about this, and he said that he really started improving much more when he concentrated on himself and-

Max Holloway 55:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:37 ... had a, had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching.

Max Holloway 55:39 Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Stopped running his gym.

Max Holloway 55:41 And, and, and at the end of the day, these big camps, you know, like even, even in Vegas, bro, like I, I hear everybody going to Vegas and training, training. And, and like, bro, like one of the guys out there was telling me, it's like the Wild Wild West. So like, how do you get better every day you're going to train and just knowing, "I might fight this guy."

Joe Rogan 55:57 Exactly.

Max Holloway 55:57 You know what I mean? I might, I might have to fight this guy. You know, like, I have, I have guys my weight, some, some guys my weight in my, in my class. And, and I told them, "Brother," like, like, I would tell them, like, "If we ever got to the point where we both in the UFC, we're fighting for freaking a lot of money, like, you better sign that damn contract." We done kill each other here. Like, you my brother, you know.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Right.

Max Holloway 56:16 We done kill each other and stuff for free. You'd be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever. But that's different from going to a big gym and like, and, and actually being worried. Like, I'm not worried. You know, if we fight, we fight. But, like, some of these guys, you go in there and fighting your, your life. It's like a fight every day of the week.

Joe Rogan 56:32 Yes.

Max Holloway 56:32 And that shit is gonna fucking, like... Mentally, brother, that is gonna beat you down. Every day going like, "Oh my God, I'm fighting for my life here. Oh my God."

Joe Rogan 56:40 Yeah.

Max Holloway 56:40 Like ima- Bro, I feel, I feel... Fighting, like, everybody can thinkin' uh, call me a liar and whatever, but, bro, in the fight, I'm nervous as hell. In the back. Bro, with, with the Justin fight, um, this last one, I was telling people, I was like, "What the fuck? What the fuck am I doing here? Why am I fighting Justin?"

Joe Rogan 56:56 (laughs)

Max Holloway 56:56 "What the hell are you doing, Max?" You know, like, like that. Bro, I'm not even lying. I'm in the back.

Joe Rogan 57:00 I believe you.

Max Holloway 57:00 I'm in the back thinking like, "Fucking sh-," like, "What are we doing? You told me, you told me that this is the last time. What the hell?"

Joe Rogan 57:06 Yeah.

Max Holloway 57:06 It's like, "Now you're on UFC 300." You be a... Fucking a million people gonna buy this pay-per-view. "What the hell are you doing?" And then as soon as the, the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that's when it changes, you know. Then it's like, it's go time. It's like, "Nah, Max, you can't be fucking working at McDonald's making this much money. Let's go get this paper." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:22 (laughs)

Max Holloway 57:23 You, you, you gotta own McDonald's if you're making this much money.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Yeah.

Max Holloway 57:25 Brother, you don't own shit, so let's, let's go get it.

Joe Rogan 57:27 Bro, you can own multiple McDonald's with your next one.

Max Holloway 57:29 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:30 After that fight.

Max Holloway 57:30 That was the plan.

Joe Rogan 57:31 God damn.

Max Holloway 57:31 So that was the, that was it, you know. So you gotta switch, uh, flip the switch and then... Uh, uh, and a lot of my coaches, they didn't know my walkout song. It was funny 'cause they was like, "Is she gonna do it?" 'Cause they was waiting for me to walk up to a Israel song, right? Come on ʻcause we've all this, "Is he gonna do it? Is he gonna do it?" And then we walked up to a Hawaiian, uh, Hawaiian Superman, Maui Hawaiian Superman. So I loved it, bro. I think it was perfect. They made the... You was out there in the crowd. I don't know if you could see. I... Oh yeah, on your screen. They made it look like the ocean, bro.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 57:56 They made, they made me look like it was the ocean and the, the, the way... We had to turn in our song so early, bro. So like, usually I can turn in my song like the week of the fight or the week before the fight, walkout song. But Heidi hit us up like eight, six weeks out. It was like, "Hey, we need you guys' walkout song now 'cause we're trying to do something."

Joe Rogan 58:12 Oh.

Max Holloway 58:12 And then that was what they did. They, the lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had-

Joe Rogan 58:17 Mm-hmm.

Max Holloway 58:17 ... they made it, they made it go to the song. Like, they made mine's to look like the ocean so it was like wavy. But then Justin's one was sick 'cause like every time the beat hit, the lights on the stuff went up with like water.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Yeah.

Max Holloway 58:27 I was like, "Whoa, that's cool." So...

Joe Rogan 58:29 What was Justin's walkout song?

Max Holloway 58:30 I, I forget, but it wa- it was a really good song, bro. I was, I, I liked it. It was a really good song.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Yeah, there's some banger walkout songs, man. But Poatan, when that motherfucker walks out... Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Max Holloway 58:41 (laughs) I didn't even hear it. Is it crazy?

Joe Rogan 58:43 Bro, he's the scariest motherfucker when he walks out 'cause he stands there. He walks out like this.

Max Holloway 58:48 Yeah, yeah, I know. I, yeah, I never hear the song, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:50 And then he stands there. He draws the bow back and goes... (screams) And then he throws a couple punches. (laughs)

Max Holloway 58:55 Yeah, yeah. He does this one, two... Bro, so you know what is funny?

Joe Rogan 58:58 (laughs)

Max Holloway 58:58 You know, I don't know if you ever watched that kid of like, he mimics like, he mimics fights of fighters.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Yes.

Max Holloway 59:03 He had a kid... So he was at the