JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. MHMax Holloway0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drum music)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight?

   3. MHMax Holloway0:15

      No, not really. I mean, we- we- we- we try to go up, like, early, that's why.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Yeah.

   5. MHMax Holloway0:19

      So, the first two days is- is whatever, but then after that, we're all good.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Where's the furthest that you had to fly to- to- to fight?

   7. MHMax Holloway0:25

      Uh, I think so Abu Dhabi, Fight Island.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      In the Hou- so how long does that take to adjust?

   9. MHMax Holloway0:30

      Brother, that one was weird 'cause then you remember they had us, uh, fighting at weird times.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MHMax Holloway0:35

       Like, you know, like, so we had to ch- we had to sleep during the- during the day, and then wait f- like, train during the night. Like, I- I remember going to sleep around, like, 8:00 or 9:00 AM.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Whoa.

   13. MHMax Holloway0:45

       Yeah. 'Cause we was fighting, like, around that time, like, early in the morning, so it was just, uh, that was insane.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       So you had to get your body acclimated to that.

   15. MHMax Holloway0:52

       Acclimate it, yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Whew. That's- that's gotta play a factor, right? Like, if you live in Abu Dhabi, that'd be a big advantage.

   17. MHMax Holloway0:58

       Oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, did you not just see the, uh, the July card that is- got announced in UK?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Mm-hmm.

   19. MHMax Holloway1:06

       3:00 AM, brother-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Yeah, that's crazy. (laughs)

   21. MHMax Holloway1:08

       ... is- is the main card start. So they're saying whoever's q- main li- uh, headline is fighting at 6:00 AM.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       That's crazy.

   23. MHMax Holloway1:14

       That's insane, bro.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       You know how drunk that audience is gonna be?

   25. MHMax Holloway1:16

       Brother, you should ...

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       (laughs)

   27. MHMax Holloway1:19

       Cra- I saw (laughs) ... You know what is funny? I saw a clip. I saw a clip, uh, a meme of a video of like, uh, a UK fan who's, like, living in the UK and he was like he watched our fight. Our fight just got done, mine's and Dustin's. He played our clip and then he was like, "Great, now I can start my morning." He opens the door, it's-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       (laughs)

   29. MHMax Holloway1:36

       ... it's- it's light out and stuff. I'm like, "Holy shit."

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   He's a funny dude.…

   1. MHMax Holloway15:00

      the man.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      He's a funny dude. Man, he almost lost that Jalin Turner fight. That was crazy.

   3. MHMax Holloway15:03

      Brother.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      What happened there?

   5. MHMax Holloway15:05

      Jalin Turner tried to look cool and get a walk-off KO, and it didn't happen.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Yeah, it didn't happen. You can't do that. You gotta follow up. That was the fight. Like, if he beat Moicano, man, and Jalin had him.

   7. MHMax Holloway15:17

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      He had him.

   9. MHMax Holloway15:18

      We, we was in... I was at the hotel room, still watching that fight.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       Wow.

   11. MHMax Holloway15:21

       I, I was watching it, was watching it and, um, yeah, I was tripping out. And you know what's funny? As soon as that, as soon as that happened, I was like, I told my coach, I was like, "You know what'd be funny? If "Money" Moicano, uh, comes out and rear nick is in the next round and he, he finishes him the next round." I was like, "Damn." I was like, "Whoa." It wasn't, it wasn't funny, but it was like, "Damn, that's amazing."

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Well, Jalin is so long. He's so dangerous too. His knockout power, like at length, it's, he catches guys on the end of shots. You can't even come close to him-

   13. MHMax Holloway15:50

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       ... and he's cracking you, and he's got nasty power. And you know that Moicano dude, he, he-

   15. MHMax Holloway15:57

       He's tough, bro.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       He's very tough. The fact that he figured it out, he's like, "Fuck all this standing. I'm gonna grab that dude-

   17. MHMax Holloway16:01

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       ... and drag him to the ground."

   19. MHMax Holloway16:02

       Smart, bro. Smart.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       Yeah, yeah. It was a great fight.

   21. MHMax Holloway16:05

       IQ, that's fi- that's fight IQ, bro. I mean-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       What a card that was. What a card.

   23. MHMax Holloway16:07

       Oh brother, from the begin-... From the first number, I had, I had, uh, family and friends that came to the fight and they went to the first fight.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Cody Garbrandt and David Ceferino.

   25. MHMax Holloway16:16

       They... You had to, you had to, bro. You had to.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Imagine you got two former world champions going at it in the first fight.

   27. MHMax Holloway16:21

       First fight. Yeah, that's insane, brother.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       And two guys that are still awesome, you know.

   29. MHMax Holloway16:25

       And it was, and it was fighting.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       Oh.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Good. That fight should…

   1. MHMax Holloway30:00

      a year and out." So-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Good. That fight should be in Vegas.

   3. MHMax Holloway30:01

      I mean, it su- yeah, it's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Vegas. Let's go Vegas.

   5. MHMax Holloway30:03

      Yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Or-

   7. MHMax Holloway30:04

      I hope, I hope, I hope Vegas.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      ... or Madison Square Garden.

   9. MHMax Holloway30:06

      Yeah. Or, or, or, uh, Vegas Allegiant Stadium.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       Oh.

   11. MHMax Holloway30:12

       66,000. Brother, that's what it is.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       (inhales deeply)

   13. MHMax Holloway30:16

       Did you, you was there 300 night. Bro, did you not see all the Hawaiian flags?

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       They were everywhere.

   15. MHMax Holloway30:21

       Bro, that's the s- that, that-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       Ninth island.

   17. MHMax Holloway30:22

       ... is the ninth island, brother. Give me-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       (laughs)

   19. MHMax Holloway30:24

       You cannot go... You, we can't go to UFC Hawaii. Give me Allegiant Stadium, unless, less, less-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Oh, my god.

   21. MHMax Holloway30:31

       ... go crazy there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Oh, my god. Oh, my god. You could sell it. A- Allegiant Stadium for a big UFC, 100% they could sell it. I mean, every UFC sells out like that. They sell out so quick.

   23. MHMax Holloway30:41

       Oh, so, so quick.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Because they scalp tickets. And a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card.

   25. MHMax Holloway30:46

       Oh, my god.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       'Cause you know they're doing the sphere, which is gonna be wild.

   27. MHMax Holloway30:48

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       That's gonna be wild.

   29. MHMax Holloway30:50

       Who you think, who you think will be in the sphere?

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       That's a good question, right? 'Cause that's... Isn't it... It's Mexican Independence Day?
4. 45:00 – 59:18

   (laughs) …

   1. MHMax Holloway45:00

      my head coach, Daron Yap, a tactical and strength... The best strength and conditioning in all of Hawaii. And if somebody got a problem, then they can, they can meet me somewhere, anywhere, you know. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      (laughs)

   3. MHMax Holloway45:09

      But, but in all... Jokes aside, he's the, he's the man, bro. And he's the one that was like, "Yeah, you know," like, I, I... Like, "Look, I know you wanna get strong, Max." He's the one that came up with it. He's like, "I know you wanna get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro. We still need your speed and we gotta outwork this guy." You know, like alw- he always weaponized my cardio. He was like, "Brother, whoever we fight, you're gonna outwork them. So let's just get your speed up, stay fast, get a little bit bigger without being too much to get... to, to..." W- he, he didn't... He was the main one. He's like, "I don't wanna give up strength. Uh, uh, uh, I don't wanna give up conditioning for strength, brother." Like, "You're strong-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:41

      Because the idea is the more muscle you have-

   5. MHMax Holloway45:43

      Yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:43

      ... the more endurance it's gonna require.

   7. MHMax Holloway45:45

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:45

      Yeah.

   9. MHMax Holloway45:45

      And, and es- especially like, even if with, with everybody, like I trained with bigger guys, you know, here and there. And I never ever once felt like, "Holy shit, this guy is so much stronger than me." Like, I never ever once felt that way. You know, you hear these talks of some people saying, "Oh, this guy's really strong," so I try to go with them. I was like, "Ah, he's all right," you know. It's not like, "Oh my God, he's gonna be strong." So I felt like I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess. Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know. And, uh, and that's what it is, you know. I keep telling... A lot of these, a lot of these MMA guys or just people coming up, or even my amateur... uh, that are amateur fighters that's coming up. I just keep telling them, like, "Brother, there's no difference between me and you. The only difference is my experience." You know, like, the... Even with, with... Even with UFC fighters, you know, like, the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset, you know. Top 10 to five, experience, mindset. Five to the championship, same thing, and then the champion, maybe like the top three guys after that. It's like... It's just a mind, it's a mind thing, brother. This shit is easy. Most of these things that... it's hard, is because you make it hard.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MHMax Holloway46:54

       A lot of guys make it hard for themself. I'm like, "What are you doing? You're beating yourself up for what? This is just fucking practice. Get better." You know what I mean? That's all you gotta do. Stop, stop beating yourself up and, um...

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       But you have a great mentality for that. You're able to like, go past losses easily.

   13. MHMax Holloway47:07

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:07

       It is what it is and you keep moving-

   15. MHMax Holloway47:09

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       ... and you're on the path.

   17. MHMax Holloway47:10

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       But for some people-

   19. MHMax Holloway47:12

       It's tough.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       ... like, the losses are devastating-

   21. MHMax Holloway47:13

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       ... because their whole identity is based on success.

   23. MHMax Holloway47:15

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:16

       And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser.

   25. MHMax Holloway47:18

       But even with that, the whole identity thing, i- i- that's what it is. Like, even when like, uh, you see guys who, uh, retiring from other sports or our sport, like, they have that identity crisis-

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:27

       Mm-hmm.

   27. MHMax Holloway47:27

       ... because they're so known for one thing.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:29

       Yep.

   29. MHMax Holloway47:29

       And that's when I tell them, like, that's why I love doing other stuff. Like people, bro... Oh my God, I stream. I stream on Kick now. I stream on kick.com and, um... Brother, I... During the whole fight, I'm streaming. They're like, "Yup, thank you for this, Max. I'm putting my house on Gaethje now. He's training while you're playing fucking video games." I'm like, "What the fuck?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:38:28