JRE MMA Show #159 with Quinton "Rampage" Jackson

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) What's up, Quentin?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:12 What's up, man?

Joe Rogan 0:13 How's it going? Good to see you, sir.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:14 Yeah. Good to see you.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Salud. Cheers.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:15 Good to be here.

Joe Rogan 0:16 So tell me about your drink. What is this called? It's called F3?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:18 Yeah, F3. It's, um, it's a newer energy drink. It got, like, um, (cap pops) supplements and stuff in it, BCAAs.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Oh, this is good. (cap snaps)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Uh, ginseng, BCAAs, theanine, okay, good for the brain.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:31 What the hell is theanine? I don't know what that-

Joe Rogan 0:32 It's a nootropic. It's in, uh, this gum.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:37 This gum, NeuroGum.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Yeah, I take a bunch of different brain supplements.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:42 Does it make your dick hard, though?

Joe Rogan 0:43 No, doesn't help there.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:44 Oh. I've been looking for something.

Joe Rogan 0:46 There's other stuff for that.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:48 You know? (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:48 But, but how good would it be if you can drink dick hardener?

Joe Rogan 0:51 I'm sure they have it. I'm sure there's, like, a, a Viagra soda somewhere-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:55 Man.

Joe Rogan 0:55 ... Thailand or some shit. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:57 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 0:57 I'm sure in Thailand. (laughs) Maybe Russia. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04 I'm sure there's something. See, Jamie, Google dick hard soda.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08 If you can get Carl to sit still for a second. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:10 It is. Can you think about that? You don't have to take a pill. You just drink it. You know, the girls have no idea what it is.

Joe Rogan 1:15 I bet there is. I bet there's, like, a cocktail that you can buy at a bar.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:17 Why do you call it a cocktail, though?

Joe Rogan 1:18 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 Well, that's what they called 'em. I didn't invent it. But if there was, like, a cocktail, yeah, that's what they would call it, The Cocktail. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:27 Oh, man, I don't want to spit all over your table. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:29 It's okay. This table looks good with a little bit of stains on it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:33 Did you find anything? Any- Uh, well I- ... dick hard soda? It's ob- It's giving me, like, cocktails that people have, you know-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:40 ... made that are- That have Viagra in 'em? They're just suggesting. No, no, they're just of alcohol and they call 'em, like, Get Your Dick Hard and- Oh. ... Viagra.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:47 Oh, Viagra, Viagra Falls.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:48 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:48 But there's no, um, sodas or anything with Viag-... That'd have probably, it'd have to be in another country.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:54 Yeah, they put, they probably wouldn't have that here because-

Joe Rogan 1:56 'Cause you have to have a prescription.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:57 That's the only thing this, this needs. It got everything else and it's, um, it's, um, green tea, um, that's where the, uh, caffeine come from, the green tea.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Nice.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:04 Yeah, so...

Joe Rogan 2:04 And ginseng too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:06 Yeah, I can drink, like, two or three of these a day and it don't bother me.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:09 It don't bother me. I love it.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Mm-hmm. That's nice. Dude, the first time I saw you fight was in, like, 2000, yeah, about 2000, I saw you fight Marvin Eastman.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:23 My first fight, my first professional fight?

Joe Rogan 2:24 Was that your first professional fight?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:26 Yeah, you saw that? At King of the Cage?

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yeah. Yep. I was there, live.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:28 You was there at King of the Cage?

Joe Rogan 2:30 Yeah, yep.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:30 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:31 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:32 You saw me get my ass kicked.

Joe Rogan 2:33 You didn't get your ass kicked.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:34 I did.

Joe Rogan 2:35 No, you just lost.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:36 Yeah, I did.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Marvin Eastman was fucking good.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:38 Man, yeah. I was lied to, by the way.

Joe Rogan 2:40 Oh, really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:41 Yeah, they, um, they was doing him a favor and, um, they told me the guy was just a kickboxer and you know, I was a wrestler. I was like, "Oh, I'm just gonna take this guy down." It was a two weeks notice fight.

Joe Rogan 2:51 Oh, wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:52 He can kickbox too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:53 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:55 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:55 I, I didn't know about the wrestling. I knew he was a kickboxer.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 2:57 He kicked me in the head. I was like, "Damn, that's my only time ever getting kicked in the head."

Joe Rogan 3:01 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:02 Yeah, my whole career. Go back and watch my fights. I never got-

Joe Rogan 3:03 That's crazy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:04 I learned a lesson.

Joe Rogan 3:05 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:07 Never got kicked in the head again.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Wow? Yeah, he could wrestle and he could kickbox.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:11 Yeah, he was-

Joe Rogan 3:11 And he was built like a tank.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:12 Yeah. Yeah, that's why, um, that's why he was my first fight in, in the UFC, 'cause, um, I don't know if you, uh, know about this, but Dana White bought an organization just to get me 'cause I left PRIDE and I went to, uh, WFA.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Oh, okay.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:27 And my, my manager at the time, he became, like, the president of WFA, so he had to stop being my manager and, um, I followed in the... then the company folded and, um, Dana bought the whole company so I can come over and-

Joe Rogan 3:39 So this was when you were leaving PRIDE.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:41 Yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 3:41 When PRIDE, when the UFC had bought PRIDE.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:43 This is before.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Oh, okay.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:45 I left the, I left PRIDE right when they was going down.

Joe Rogan 3:47 Hmm. When the UFC bought PRIDE, they thought they were buying a whole organization and they didn't, they didn't get anything but a library. They got a video library.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 3:57 That's all they got?

Joe Rogan 3:58 All the contracts were bullshit. Everything was bullshit.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:01 That's why they never got Fedor. And that's why I think, um, m- well, it's like they honored people's contracts. Some people got great contracts. Like Mark Hunt apparently got a great contract, Alistair, a lot of these guys that came over had great contracts, but it w- Crow Kop, remember when Crow-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:17 ... Crow Kop came over? But it was, the whole thing was all fucked up. You know, it was run by the mob.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:22 Yeah, it was crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:23 What was it like being over there?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:24 Man, it was, it was crazy. It was surreal. I remember the first time I noticed that the mob had something to do with PRIDE. I saw these guys walking down a hallway, like, when we was doing, like, the, um, the piss test.

Joe Rogan 4:37 Uh-huh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:38 And I was coming back from the, um, bathroom with my cup and I just see these guys walk around in, like, nice expensive suits and then, everybody, uh, just put their head down, put their back against the wall and just bow.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Whoa.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:49 I was like, "What the fuck is going on?" You know, culture shock. I had no idea.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:53 And then, after a while, I asked somebody, they were like, "Oh, those, those are the bosses. Those are the yakuza."

Joe Rogan 4:58 Did they have missing fingers?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 4:59 Some of 'em did.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Phew.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:01 You seen some of that shit over there.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Bro.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:03 It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:03 That is, that is a crazy way to gain entry, to fucking saw your finger off in front of everybody.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:08 I thought, I thought that, I thought that if you-

Joe Rogan 5:09 If you did something bad.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:10 Yeah, if you fucked up, right?

Joe Rogan 5:11 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:11 I had a friend, I had a friend out there, his name was 36 and the guy took a liking to me and he was super cool, all tatted up, and I guess he was rich as fuck. When he found out I had, like, little Japanese kids, he, he said, "Hon, your s- your son needs this." And he, it was, like, a gold samurai helmet.

Joe Rogan 5:29 Oh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:29 He, he said, "Your s- this has to stay in your son's house." And, um, I, I showed it to my, my, my ex-wife, she was my wife at the time. She said, "Oh, yeah, I was going to have to get him this. He saved me a lot of money." And then, I asked her, I said, "How much is something like this cost?" She said, "Oh," she said, "probably like 30, $40,000."

Joe Rogan 5:45 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:45 He gave me a gift. He just, and he had, like, a, a missing-

Joe Rogan 5:48 Missing pinky finger?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:50 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:50 But he was a, but he was a cool dude.

Joe Rogan 5:51 What do they do? They chop off one digit or two? How many digits they chop off on?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:55 I think he just, he just had-

Joe Rogan 5:56 Chop off the first?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 5:56 Yeah, he just had the first one chopped off.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Yeah, it's like, if you fuck up again, then it's the second one.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:01 I don't know, maybe they go to the other hand, I, I would think. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:05 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:05 I don't think he would fuck up no more after that, though.... would you fuck up twice? (sighs)

Joe Rogan 6:08 I mean, you don't fuck up on purpose, I would assume.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:11 Yeah, yeah. You never know about that.

Joe Rogan 6:12 I mean, uh, it depends on how strict they are. What, what is a fuck up-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:16 ... for those guys?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:17 You have no ... I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 6:18 It's a crazy culture.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:19 It's crazy. I love it though. I could live there.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Yeah?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:22 Yeah, c- plus I heard that, um, you know, their, um, population is dyin' out. They ain't makin' babies.

Joe Rogan 6:28 They're actually asking people to come over there and fuck. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:31 Man. The fuck I'm doin' here? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:36 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:36 I just got back from there. I was tryin' to fuck, but you know ...

Joe Rogan 6:39 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:39 I was tryin' to be good 'cause you know, I'm tryin' to, you know, see somebody. I was tryin' to be good, so I ain't fuck none, I ain't fuck none this time. This is the first time goin' to Japan I ain't fuck nuttin'.

Joe Rogan 6:47 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:48 Like Goddamn, tryin' to be good for once in my life.

Joe Rogan 6:51 Do they love Americans over there?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Oh, wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:54 Te- tell me, tell me you've been there though.

Joe Rogan 6:55 I've only been there for one day.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Just for the UFC and right back home.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 6:59 How could you do that? How you go there just ... That's a long flight.

Joe Rogan 7:02 I had to. Too busy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 I just didn't have any time for anything else.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:06 But it was beautiful. It's interesting how clean everything is. So clean and orderly.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:10 And everybody like ... So many people walkin' on the street, nobody's bumpin' into anybody. Everybody's like very polite.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:15 Yeah, they're very polite but they're, they're, they're like robots, bro. I remember one time when I was fightin' there and this one guy on the other side of the street recognized me, but he wasn't sure and he was ridin' a bike and he was lookin' at me and wasn't payin' attention to where he was goin' and he fuckin' smacked the end of the back of the truck and fell down (laughs) off this bike.

Joe Rogan 7:30 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:30 We alls was laughin' our ass off, but the Japanese people ... No one laughed, no one tried to help him up or nothin'. He was hurt kinda bad and I woulda went over there and tried to help him, but it was like a busy street, so I was like, "Nah."

Joe Rogan 7:40 Nobody even helped him?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:41 No one even helped him.

Joe Rogan 7:41 They just kept walkin'.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:42 Just kept walkin'. One dude stepped over him.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Oh, Jesus.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:45 Just kept walkin'. No one laughed though, that was the ... That's the thing that-

Joe Rogan 7:48 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:49 ... fucked me up. We was laughin' our ass off.

Joe Rogan 7:50 You don't hear about a lotta Japanese comedians.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:53 No, I, I heard that the ones that they do have, they come from, um, Osaka, not Tokyo.

Joe Rogan 7:58 Oh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 7:59 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 7:59 Osaka's looser?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:00 Yeah. I've been to Osaka before and, and they laugh and crack jokes. You know, I married a Japanese woman, right?

Joe Rogan 8:05 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:05 So I, I kinda learned a little bit about them. They, they very serious.

Joe Rogan 8:09 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:09 Oh, yeah. Especially in Tokyo. They very serious. You gotta be careful with jokes and stuff, and like, she, she learned to be funny after a couple years of being with me, then she started joking and then she ac- actually got pretty good. I'm like, "Damn, she start hurtin' my feelings a little bit here."

Joe Rogan 8:22 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:22 "What the fuck did I create?" But she was good. I remember one time we was jokin' back and forth and she was laughin', then I, I made a joke about her dad and she said, "Don't you talk about my father." I was like, "Damn, my bad."

Joe Rogan 8:32 Whoa.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:32 "I thought we was jokin'."

Joe Rogan 8:34 Oh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:34 So they just take everything serious. They don't understand the concept of jokes. You know, our, our movies, our comedy movies don't go there to Japan. Just our action movies and stuff.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:42 You didn't know that?

Joe Rogan 8:43 No.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:44 Makes sense though, that they just ... A different culture. They're more stoic.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:49 It's a j- just a completely different society. You know?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:52 Yeah, yeah. But I'm gonna go over there and, and make a whole buncha babies though. They-

Joe Rogan 8:56 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:56 They ... I ... They need me.

Joe Rogan 8:57 They do.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:58 They need me.

Joe Rogan 8:58 They do.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 8:59 I'm gonna make me a bunch of babies and, and, and if they boys, puttin' 'em in MMA.

Joe Rogan 9:03 Yeah, I think they have a, like a drastic reduction in their population for some reason. It's so bad, some ... I, I forget what the guy estimated, but there was a, a guy who analyzed all the people that are alive today in Japan and how many of them would have dr- grandchildren. And it's a shockingly n- low number.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 9:20 I wonder what's, what's the reason though? Why?

Joe Rogan 9:23 That's a good question. Uh, probably, I think they like video games. You know, that's a problem with young people.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 9:30 Bro, I love video games too, but I also love pussy. You can ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:34 (laughs) You know what I'm sayin'? You can play a couple games that ... Then later on that night get some ass. I don't understand. I don't know. I think they just locked in. I don't know. I don't know what's goin' on.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 9:43 I, I ... Well, I thought it was, um, rejection. Like, like people are so afraid of rejection over there. Like, a guy go and hit on a girl and she rejects him, like, he probably won't hit on that girl again for like the next couple of months or years or something like that.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Oh, really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 9:57 That was really bad. Especially if she rejects him in front of other people.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Oh, so it's an honor thing?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:02 I, I ...

Joe Rogan 10:02 Embarrassment thing?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:03 Yeah, it's an embarrassment thing. I ... That's why ... kinda think it is. That's why I, that's why I think it is.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Jamie, see if you can find somethin' on Japan's dwindling population. I'm lookin'.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:12 Okay.

Joe Rogan 10:12 'Cause it is kinda crazy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:14 And I got a couple friends that's married out there and, and, and one of my friends ... We were just havin' a conversation. His name is, um, Tyson. He's a African guy and he owns a bar out there and I've been going to this bar f- for over 20, 20-something years. After all my fights I used to go in ... to this bar and we got to know each other really well, and he was talkin' and he was sayin' ... He was sayin' like, "If you love a Japanese woman and you marry a Japanese woman, do not get her a pet or kids, 'cause if you get her a pet or kids, you never fuckin' again." And I was like-

Joe Rogan 10:43 What?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:44 I'm like, "Yeah, b- ... I was married to a Japanese woman. I didn't have that ... I didn't have that problem."

Joe Rogan 10:49 Maybe it was just him.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:50 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 10:50 No. That's what I thought. And then he said, "Oh, you don't believe me?" And he asked the Japanese guys and, and couple other guys that was there, American guys that was married, they said yeah. They all said the same story.

Joe Rogan 10:58 How weird. This was in the AP four weeks ago about r- birth rate declining and population decline. (smacks lips) Says, uh, "Surveys show young Japanese are increasingly reluctant to marry or have children, discouraged by bleak job prospects, the high cost of living, which rises at a faster pace than salaries, and a gender-biased corporate structure or corporate culture that adds an extra burden only on women and working mothers. Japan's population of more than 125 million is projected to fall by about 30% to 87 million by 2070." That's crazy. "With four out of every 10 people 65 years of age or older." Whoa. That's nuts.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 11:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:40 That's a big drop, man. That doesn't ... It doesn't really give a reason why. "Fall to a record low." Interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 11:47 Yeah, I heard they payin' niggas to go over there have babies.

Joe Rogan 11:49 (clears throat)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 11:49 Fuck that.

Joe Rogan 11:50 But they're e- they're encouraging people to go over there and buy houses too. Apparently it's really easy to buy a house and you can get a nice house for like-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 11:57 It's cheap.

Joe Rogan 11:57 ... fairly low money and it's safe.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 11:59 Yeah, and it's cheap too.

Joe Rogan 12:00 Yeah. It's a beautiful culture. (sighs) I don't think I could ever live any place that doesn't crack jokes.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:07 I need fun.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:08 I'm, I'm too used to it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:10 You know, I've had fun for too long.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:11 But I tell you what though, th- those yakuza, um ...They funny, though. They like Americans.

Joe Rogan 12:15 Oh, I'm sure.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:16 They not like the rest of them.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Oh. Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:18 So you- you be hanging around a bunch of those motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Yeah, but I don't wanna fuck up and miss a... I like my pinkies. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:23 (laughs) If you not one of them, they wouldn't fuck with you like that.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Oh, okay.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:28 Yeah. Maybe I just hang out with them.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:29 I remember one time I had a meeting with a big Yakuza boss. This guy was the biggest Japanese guy I ever met. He was like, uh, looked like he was like 6'6", and he was, like, ripped. Like twice my size, very muscular. And when I met him, it was right after I did that Rona slam.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:44 And I got really popular in Japan.

Joe Rogan 12:46 What year was that? I'm sorry, 2003?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:48 That was- that was actually 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Oh, wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:51 20 years ago.

Joe Rogan 12:52 2004.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:52 Because I did it on my- I did it on my 26th birthday.

Joe Rogan 12:55 That... Dude, that is to this day the greatest slam in the history of the sport.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 12:59 That is fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 12:59 And a lesson for everybody that hangs onto a triangle when a dude's picking you up.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:03 All he had to do was let go of my head.

Joe Rogan 13:04 All he had to do.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:05 That's all they had- I couldn't have picked them up.

Joe Rogan 13:06 And other guys did that with you. I forget who tried to get you in a triangle afterwards.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:11 It was Wanderlei. He grabbed my-

Joe Rogan 13:13 That's right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:13 ... he grabbed my leg after that.

Joe Rogan 13:14 Yeah, yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:15 Yeah. And... But you know, I did that to Sakuraba but it didn't knock him out.

Joe Rogan 13:18 Hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:19 I- I slammed Sakuraba a couple times, but it was from an arm bar and stuff, though.

Joe Rogan 13:22 Sakuraba was so tough.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:24 Oh, yeah. I saw him a couple weeks ago in Japan.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Here it is, right here.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Bro, this is the- the absolute craziest, because you threw him over the top of your head like a pillow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:33 I mean, it's the greatest- the greatest KO slam of all time. I thought he was dead.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:38 I remember watching it. I was like, "Oh my God."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:41 Wait, he didn't hold... He- he didn't hold the back of my head, did he?

Joe Rogan 13:43 No, he didn't hold shit.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:45 Oh shit, all these years I thought he was hold... Ho- well, okay, he- and then he'd let it go. He was punching.

Joe Rogan 13:49 No, as soon as you get that left hand involved. So he's punching you. You scoop under and get that left hand involved.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 13:57 He's holding onto something. Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:58 Look at this. Boom! When you connected your two hands like that, and slammed down. Holy shit. Because you think about it, man. You got your whole body like this, and he's over the top of your head. That's so much force.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:11 Yeah, that is.

Joe Rogan 14:11 That may be the hardest anybody's ever been hit in this sport.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:15 Yeah, that was... Yeah. I-

Joe Rogan 14:16 Because look at the amount of travel that he does.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:18 Bro, you got him like 12 feet in the air.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:21 Look at that. And he goes straight... And y- you were powerful as fuck back then.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:27 And all the f- speed and force you're generating, oh my God. And then you hit his head.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:31 Yeah, he-

Joe Rogan 14:32 Head to head, you guys collided heads.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:33 He- yeah, he headbutted me. A lot of people are saying I headbutted him, that's what knocked him out, but he was already knocked out. He- he-

Joe Rogan 14:39 Oh, yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:39 His head bounced off the- off the canvas and hit my- hit mine.

Joe Rogan 14:41 Dude, he's not gonna stay conscious from that kind of a slam. That's the- that's what... The craziest slam ever.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:46 Yeah, he- he didn't fight much after that either, did he?

Joe Rogan 14:48 No.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:49 You think he was embarrassed or what?

Joe Rogan 14:50 I think he was never the same. I think when a guy gets knocked out like that, it's probably different than any head kick, any knee to the head, anything.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:57 Bro-

Joe Rogan 14:57 It's a car accident.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 14:58 Bro, I felt bad because he was a great fighter.

Joe Rogan 14:59 He was. He really was. He was tough.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:02 I- I'll tell you-

Joe Rogan 15:02 Very good jiu-jitsu, strong as hell.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:04 ... I was losing that fight up until then because he was kicking the shit out of my leg.

Joe Rogan 15:07 Hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:08 And I didn't wanna check that. I didn't wanna check that. H- his kicks was coming so hard. I've- I- I fought K-1 and I fought a lot of kickboxers but his kicks is the hardest by far.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Wow, really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:17 Oh, yeah. I was- I was act- every time he would kick me, I was acting like it didn't hurt. And after the third kick, I remember thinking in my head like, "I don't know if I can keep acting like this shit don't hurt."

Joe Rogan 15:27 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:27 Because I didn't want to show him in my face.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:29 But it... Got the hardest leg kicks I ever felt.

Joe Rogan 15:32 Have you seen that new stupid thing that they're doing, like slap fight?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:35 Where they leg kick each other?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:36 No, I haven't. No, no, no, no. I haven't seen that shit.

Joe Rogan 15:38 This is a new one. Have you seen it, Jamie?

Narrator 15:40 I didn't see it, no, but...

Joe Rogan 15:42 I could send it to you if you want me to. I sent it to Dana. It's, uh, yeah, they're having slap fight competitions but leg kicks.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:49 That's-

Joe Rogan 15:49 These dudes just standing in front of each other just teeing off leg kicks.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:52 That's dangerous.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Ugh. It's horrible.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:54 Man, y- yeah, that could-

Joe Rogan 15:56 Did you find it, Jamie? I'll send it to you.

Narrator 15:57 Oh. How Kyokushin.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Here you go.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 15:59 That can fuck you up real bad.

Joe Rogan 16:00 Oh, it's rough. It's rough to watch. And some guys are kicking, like, right... You're supposed to kick the thigh but some guys are kicking really kind of like right above the knee, and buckling... And you just stand there, you can't even move. You have to just eat it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:14 Hmm. I wouldn't... I would... No, that's not my shit. How you feel about that slap fighting, though?

Joe Rogan 16:18 I don't... (sighs) I- I'm fully in support of anybody doing whatever the fuck they wanna do. I'm like, if you can bull ride, if you could G- B- BMX jump and skateboard and all that crazy shit where people are breaking their necks. Here it is, they're standing in front of each other. I feel like you should be able to do anything, but I wouldn't do it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:36 'Cause getting hit is... It should be rare, and you should avoid it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:40 Look, look, dude kicked him in the leg-

Joe Rogan 16:42 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:42 ... then grabbed the top of his head.

Joe Rogan 16:43 (laughs) Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:44 I- I would've smacked them just for that.

Joe Rogan 16:45 I think they're friends.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 16:47 It's like, "Sorry, bro."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:50 (laughs) You know? That- that- they tapped out.

Narrator 16:53 Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:54 Oh, so it's friends.

Joe Rogan 16:54 That last one, he tapped out.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:55 They're friends?

Joe Rogan 16:56 Yeah, they're f- they got a bunch of them in there.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 16:57 Oh, no. I- I didn't even hear that.

Joe Rogan 16:59 They just stand in front of each other and slam each other in the knee.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:02 Oh.

Joe Rogan 17:02 Or slam each other in the thigh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:04 Damn.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:04 But it's a good time for MMA and all this. Yeah, I saw the, um, that karate combat with Bas Roud.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Oh, yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:10 That's- that's-

Joe Rogan 17:11 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:11 ... that's entertaining. Did you see that guy get that scissor kick, knockout?

Joe Rogan 17:13 Yes. Raphael De Turn, that guy is badass, man. That... And he fought James Vick who... James Vick's been KO'd a bunch of times now.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:22 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:22 It's like he might not want to do this anymore because that was a bad one.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:25 Hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:25 That switch kick.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:26 Yeah, he was out for a while, it looked like.

Joe Rogan 17:28 It was horrible. Perfect kick though. Did you see that, Jamie?

Narrator 17:31 Oh, 100%.

Joe Rogan 17:32 I'll send you that. That shit was incredible. I mean, I'd always wondered when someone was gonna pull that one off in a fight. Like kick to the leg and then upkick right afterwards.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 17:41 No, he did that shit perfect.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Oh, it's flawless.

Narrator 17:45 Here's the fight. I'm gonna have to...

Joe Rogan 17:49 The KO is so nasty. The karate combat, um, the whole... That guy, Raphael De Turn?

Narrator 17:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:57 There it is right before that.

Narrator 17:58 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Watch- watch this switch. It's so crazy the way he does it, the way he sets it up. He right kicks.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:06 Boom! Oh, I mean, perfect. Perfect.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:09 Yeah, that was a crazy knockout. Crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:13 That guy is super athletic.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:15 I never heard of either of those guys.

Joe Rogan 18:16 He used to fight in the UFC.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:17 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:18 I don't know what happened, I don't know why he's not in the UFC anymore but, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:21 He should go back now.

Joe Rogan 18:23 They're gonna test him. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:26 They go, they go, "We gotta test him." (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:28 I don't know why he left the UFC. I don't know if he had an issue. I'm not sure.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 Good fighter, though.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:34 But man, that's crazy. It is, it's interesting when you watch an organization that tests versus don't test too, right?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:39 You know, 'cause-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 18:40 How you feel about that?

Joe Rogan 18:43 (inhales deeply) I, I have two, two thoughts. One, I like to see older athletes compete. And if you get a guy who's like 35, 36 years old, if you let him juice, if you let him use testosterone, if you just do it sensibly, not crazy, but if he can go to a doctor, make sure it's only administered by a doctor so they're not self-administering, and make sure they test him to make sure they're not above a certain level, I don't have any problem with it. But when you get guys like what Vitor did, Vitor just (imitates electric buzz) fill him up, doc. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 19:16 (laughs) He blew the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 19:17 He just like, take it to my eyeballs, just fucking (groans) . And man, when he was, TRT Vitor, to fans when they talk about it, like that was an era, when, that era, when he was on a tear, when he knocked out Luke Rockhold and knocked out Bisping and he was fucking everybody up, dude. He was fearless. But he was also like heavily enhanced. You know? Was not a normal human being.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 19:41 No. I remember the time when it was, when it was legal.

Joe Rogan 19:45 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 19:45 Yeah, and they fucked it up, 'cause I tried that shit after I got beat by Jon Jones. I was like, "Fuck, I must be getting old." And I tried it and it helped me out a little bit. Then they, they outlawed it. I said, "Fuck. I guess I'm back to the old me."

Joe Rogan 19:57 Yeah, they outlawed it. There was a lot of guys on it. (clears throat) And a lot of guys were abusing it. Some guy, like, um, some guys got pulled from fights 'cause they tested them the day of, and they're like, "There is no fucking way. You are so high. This is crazy." Nate Marquardt, they sta- they actually stopped the fight. They stopped it from happening. Yeah, they canceled the fight.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:15 Yeah. You know, in Pride they never test it.

Joe Rogan 20:17 They, well Anson Inoue told me that they had in capital letters, "We do not test for steroids-"

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:23 "... in the contract."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:24 Yeah. But they'll test you for like weed and cocaine and all that shit.

Joe Rogan 20:27 That's hilarious.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:27 But they wouldn't test you for steroids.

Joe Rogan 20:29 (coughs) So they tested you, they just didn't test you for anything that would actually help you fight.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:34 It seems like they kinda encouraged it.

Joe Rogan 20:36 Oh yeah, they definitely encouraged it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 They did with a guy I know. He went over there, there, and he was, you know, about, he v- wanted to fight at 170. He was like, "No, you fight at 185." And they're like, "We'll give you steroids." (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:49 (laughs) Everybody thought I was on steroids when I was fighting over there.

Joe Rogan 20:53 (clears throat) Well, you just had great genetics.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:55 You know? Some people have great genetics and some people need steroids.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 20:58 Yeah. Uh, I, I, I always tell people, they look at me and look at some of the other fighters. You can look at my body and tell that I wasn't on that shit.

Joe Rogan 21:04 Well, the difference is when they get tested. Like, when, w- the pre-USADA and post-USADA days are so interesting, because even though they outlawed testosterone, there's still guys like Overeem. There's n- there's not a, a chance in hell that guy was natural. It was, he was not natural at all. There's no way.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 21:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:23 No way. Especially when he fought Brock Lesnar. But somehow or another he passed the test.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:27 But the test the day of, like the day of like the weigh-ins test, that's nonsense. That is nonsense. Like, all the benefits are still there and all the stuff is out of your system.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 21:37 Bro was crazy. I, I used to fight over there with, uh, Alistair Overeem. He was like the bony 205er.

Joe Rogan 21:42 Yeah, he was thin.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 21:43 He was thin. Then one day I saw him, I'm like, "Goddamn, what the fuck you doing?" He said, "Horse meat." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:48 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 21:50 I'm like, "Okay, buddy."

Joe Rogan 21:51 Yeah, he was powerlifting. You remember when he got up to like 265? You know, when he w- won the K-1 Grand Prix?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 21:58 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:58 I mean, you couldn't hit him. He was a mountain of m- it was just covered behind muscle.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:02 And you know K-1 style, when they, like fight with like the earmuffs on.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:05 When they're standing there, like, he was just, there was no chin. Y- you couldn't see it in there.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:09 He was a bad mu-

Joe Rogan 22:10 It was just-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:10 He won it too, didn't he?

Joe Rogan 22:11 Yeah, he won the Grand Prix.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:12 Which is crazy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:13 He was a bad... I was always worried that I was gonna have to fight him in Pride. But I don't know why they never put me against him.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Bro, when he fought Brock Lesnar, if they kept the testing that way, he might've been the heavyweight champion. He might've stayed the heavyweight champion too. I mean, he was hard to handle-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:28 ... at that weight.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:28 He was so big. And he had those elite kickboxing skills.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 You know, I remember when he fought, uh, I guess it was Strikeforce, when he fought, um, Brett Rogers. You could see the moment ... he hits Brett Rogers with one low kick and you can see it in Brett Rogers' face like, "Oh, shit."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:45 Like, "This is different. This is so different." He was so scary, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:50 Yeah. Fuck. Big tall motherfucker. I would like to see him, um, go against Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 22:55 Oh, woulda loved to have-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 22:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:56 ... seen that back in the day. But if, if again you let him fight enhanced, because the difference between him enhanced and un-enhanced, he became an average fighter.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 So-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:07 But Jon, Jon was enhanced too, though. If they would've went against each other both enhanced?

Joe Rogan 23:11 At the time.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:12 At the time.

Joe Rogan 23:12 You, so you think Jon was enhanced?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:14 Yeah, I think it's proven.

Joe Rogan 23:15 You, real- because of the, the whole thing with the, the picograms or whatever the fuck that shit is?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:20 Well, it's, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 23:21 (clears throat)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:21 ... I don't pay a whole lot of attention to it, but I just thought he got popped, so I assumed that he was enhanced.

Joe Rogan 23:25 He did.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:26 So-

Joe Rogan 23:26 But the problem w- that he got popped with, there were so minuscule levels that it didn't make sense.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:32 Yeah, he don't look, he don't look like somebody-

Joe Rogan 23:34 He doesn't do steroids.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:35 Who does. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:35 No.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:36 No, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:36 No, he doesn't.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:36 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 23:37 But neither did Lance Armstrong.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:39 He probably did, he probably doing something different though, Lance.

Joe Rogan 23:42 No, he was testosterone. I mean, he was definitely doing that too. They, they, those guys were doing a l- he was doing a lot of shit. They do e-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:50 ... everything they can. When they do that Tour de France?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 23:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:52 They, doctors say that it's actually healthier to do that thing on steroids than it is to not be on steroids.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:00 'Cause your body just can't recover.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:02 'Cause you're, you're biking for hours and hours and hours, day after day. It's a fucking crazy event.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:08 I think if you biking and doing shit like that-

Joe Rogan 24:10 (clears throat)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:10 ... let him do steroids.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:11 But fighting, I'm against that shit.

Joe Rogan 24:13 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:13 Fighting-

Joe Rogan 24:13 It's different.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:14 Yeah, football, boxing, MMA, shit like that.

Joe Rogan 24:18 But football, you know they're doing something.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:20 Yeah, you know they doing it. But, but-

Joe Rogan 24:21 Those guys are gigantic.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:23 Yeah, but I think if you, if you got full contact against another human, I think it's, it should be outlawed. But baseball? I wouldn't-

Joe Rogan 24:28 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:28 ... give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 24:29 ... it would only make it interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:30 And basketball-

Joe Rogan 24:31 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:31 ... yeah, I wouldn't care.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Right. Who cares?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:33 Yeah. Who cares?

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Especially, they're professional athletes. They got a small window of opportunity.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:38 They have, like, 10, 15 years at most where they can compete at, at their very best.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:42 Yeah. Let those guys juice. Fuck it.

Joe Rogan 24:43 Juice 'em up.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:44 Yeah. Let 'em do, help 'em how to do it safely. But fighting-

Joe Rogan 24:46 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 24:47 ... 'cause you could hurt somebody, 'cause some people are, are totally against it.

Joe Rogan 24:50 Well, the only way it makes sense in fighting is if everybody agrees, you know? Like, if you agree... But if you're cheating, you know, if you're just, uh, jobbing the tests and, you know, you got a good scientist that works with you and you're figuring out a way to rig everything, nah, that's not good.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:05 Yeah. You know, I, I'm against it 'cause I fought a few guys that was on steroids when I was fighting in Pride.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Who'd you fight that was, like, the most obvious on steroids?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:13 (sighs) For me, I f- I felt like it was the most obvious was Kevin Randleman, RIP. I don't ever wanna talk ill of, of big bro, but Mark Homan, he, uh, he- he's honest about it, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:24 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:24 They, they were doing some... And Wanderlei for sure was on that shit.

Joe Rogan 25:27 For sure.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:27 For sure.

Joe Rogan 25:28 For sure.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:30 (laughs) For sure.

Joe Rogan 25:30 For sure. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:31 And I think-

Joe Rogan 25:31 Bro, he fought like he was on it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:33 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 25:33 He fought like he had rabies.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:34 Bro, he... That guy was so vicious. He just walked around mad the whole time. You know, all the fighters in Japan were scared of him. That's why he didn't like me 'cause I was never afraid of him.

Joe Rogan 25:42 Mm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 25:42 And one ti- the first time I had a run-in with Wanderlei, we were all staying at the same hotel and I'm walking back from press and I get in an elevator with my cornermen and the elevator opens up and there's Wanderlei in there with two of his cornermen. And I just, I don't notice and I just walk on the elevator. (laughs) And I turn around and my two cornermen took off. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:03 No.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:03 So I'm in the elevator by myself with Wanderlei, and he looked at me like I was crazy 'cause I didn't take off with them. Like, he, he, he seemed like he was mad that I was breathing his same air in the fucking elevator.

Joe Rogan 26:13 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:14 He was like, "What are you doing?" They was talking shit in Portuguese and stuff like that. I was like, "Uh, I ain't, I ain't afraid of no motherfucking body." I was a kid then, too. But I just never been afraid of anybody. Then after I meet my, my two cornermen, "What the fuck happened to y- why the fuck y'all go..." Was like, "Shit, that was the ax murderer. I'm not getting in there with him."

Joe Rogan 26:31 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:31 "Just leave." I said, "So you just wanna leave?"

Joe Rogan 26:34 Left you. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:34 They didn't even pull you out?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:35 They didn't even touch me.

Joe Rogan 26:37 Oh, that's so ridiculous.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:38 I would've never trusted those dudes again.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:39 Yeah. Fuck them.

Joe Rogan 26:40 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:42 Just left me with... But I was, I was, I was cool, but he never liked me.

Joe Rogan 26:45 Were you there when he had that, uh, fight with Charles Crazy Horse Bennett in the back room?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:50 No. No, I wasn't there, but-

Joe Rogan 26:51 Apparently, the story is Crazy Horse knocked him out cold.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:55 Yeah. I heard that.

Joe Rogan 26:56 That's what the story is.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 The story is they ganged up on Crazy Horse. Crazy Horse was a wild dude. That dude was crazy. He was fun. I remember, uh, I got drunk with Crazy Horse one night. Me and I think it was Eddie Bravo went to see, um, Brock Lesnar's first professional fight in LA at the Coliseum.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:16 Mm. Was it with the UFC?

Joe Rogan 27:18 No.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 27:19 No. I think it was with K-1. I think it was a K-1 fight in, in Los Angeles.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:24 I might've been there.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Hoyce Gracie fought that night. I think Hoyce Gracie fought Sakuraba if I remember correctly.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:31 Was that a rematch? 'Cause I thought he fought-

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yes.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:33 Oh, okay. All right.

Joe Rogan 27:33 Yes.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:34 I wasn't there. I don't think I was there.

Joe Rogan 27:35 And he beat him, and Hoyce was a little saucy. He got caught. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:39 Hoyce beat Sakuraba in the rematch?

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah, but Hoyce was saucy. They caught him in the piss test.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:44 Mm.

Joe Rogan 27:44 If I remember correctly. Check to see if that's true. But, uh, I sat right next to Crazy Horse, just me and him. Got fucked up the entire show. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:51 That guy's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:52 But he had fun. He's funny, man. We-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:54 ... we had a lot of laughs. But he was a wild dude, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:57 You know what he's doing now?

Joe Rogan 27:58 What's he doing now?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 27:58 He's in Thailand fighting for Fight Circus. You heard about them?

Joe Rogan 28:01 No.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:01 Man, he's fighting, like, two, two motherfuckers at the same time, two Thai dudes at the same time. I said, "Man, that shit look-"

Joe Rogan 28:06 What?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:06 "... Man, that shit look fun. I wanna do that shit."

Joe Rogan 28:08 How big are the Thai dudes?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:09 They, they, they 'bout his size.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Smaller than him?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:11 Th- th- they're his size.

Joe Rogan 28:12 He's fighting two on one?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:14 Two on one in Thailand. Fight Circus.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Does it just pay a lot of money or something?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:17 I don't know how much they pay. I did a, um, two-headed boxing match with Bob Sapp after that. I didn't get paid much money, but, uh, you know, it was... I was doing it for fun.

Joe Rogan 28:24 So you and him versus somebody else?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:26 Yeah, me and Bob Sapp in a two-man T-shirt. We could only... I could only use-

Joe Rogan 28:29 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:30 ... use my, my right hand. He could only use his left hand. And we fought two dudes. That shit was so fun.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Oh, that's crazy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:35 Man, that was the most fun I ever had in the ring, bro.

Joe Rogan 28:37 Just ridiculous?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:38 Yeah, it was, it was, it was fun. Fight Circus is crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:41 What does it say, Jim? He's up here. Uh, oh yeah, he tested positive for... Fighter Tim Percy tested positive for methamphetamines.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:48 That's my friend.

Joe Rogan 28:49 And Hoyce Gracie tested positive for nandrolone.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:52 Shut the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 28:53 And a box of steroids.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:54 Tim, Tim Percy is my, my high school, I mean, my college wrestling, uh, he was my roommate in college.

Joe Rogan 28:58 No shit.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 28:59 Tim Percy?

Joe Rogan 29:00 Who did he fight? Who did he fight? Who else was in the, in that card? Let me see. There was some-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:05 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 29:06 Who else fought? I think that, uh, uh, the original... Let's see. Pre-fight problems, yeah. Scroll back up to the card again, please. Oh, okay. Let me see who was on that card because there was one crazy KO where there was, like, a football player. Yes.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:23 Joey Morton.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Johnny Morton, right. He fought, uh, a guy who was a comedian, that guy. Uh, Bernard Akok, uh, a Japa... How do you say his name?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:34 Ah, shit.

Joe Rogan 29:34 Aka, a Japanese-born, uh, taekwondo practitioner, kickboxer, mixed martial arts, and comedian. Yeah, that guy fucked Johnny Morton up. It was horrible.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:43 The comedian fucked somebody up?

Joe Rogan 29:44 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Yeah. I don't know how good his comedy is, but-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:48 ... he can fuck people up, I'll tell you that. Jake Shields was on that card. He won by rear naked choke.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:55 Oh. Sounds like a good card.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Yeah. Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 29:57 Yeah. Sakuraba was on there.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Yep. So, uh, Hoyce beat Sakuraba, but then tested positive. He was supposed to be on the card. Ray Sefo and Marvin Eastbun dropped from the card with no explanation given. He was supposed to be on the card and Gina Carano.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:09 Oh.

Joe Rogan 30:10 Oh. And Joey Morton. Gina Carano. So that wa- that was at K-1, right? Uh. Yeah. That was, like, up until... And Brock Lesnar won real quick. That was his first fight ever.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:19 Mm.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Yeah. But so Crazy Horse was backstage and I guess all the shoot the box guys got into it with Crazy Horse and, uh, didn't Christian Marcello-... he, I think he choked Crazy Horse out, right?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:34 With a triangle.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Put him in a triangle-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:36 ... afterwards too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:36 Yeah. I heard this story, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 So Crazy Horse apparently knocked out Wanderlei, and then got choked out, and then w- he went and fought, and, or had d- had he already fought?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:47 I don't, I don't remember, but I heard Wanderlei fought, after he got knocked out.

Joe Rogan 30:50 He did, after he got-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:51 And won.

Joe Rogan 30:52 ... out, out cold, fought and won. But won by decision.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 30:56 Who, who did he fight that time, you remember?

Joe Rogan 30:57 Let's find out. Let me see Wanderlei's record. I'll tell you when I see it, because you could tell he was, like, fighting a little cautious.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 31:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:06 You know, like maybe didn't want to get hit.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 31:07 Bro, that's crazy. What if they had cameras back there in the locker rooms?

Joe Rogan 31:10 I think there is video footage of it. I'm pretty f- sure there's footage. There's definitely footage of Marcelo, uh, choking out Crazy Horse, 'cause he gets him in a triangle with his jeans on. I remember watching it. Like '07, right? Is that what we were looking at? Yeah. It wasn't Mirko Cro Cop. I think it might've been Fujita. Nope, that's not it, be- because he won that one by soccer kicks.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 31:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Does he have any that he won by decision? Right here?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 31:36 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Maybe it was... No, he lost to Arona? Is it tha- is that possible? That it was that...

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 31:41 May- maybe you should look for the same card with, uh, Crazy Horse-

Joe Rogan 31:44 He lost to him and then he beat him. He lost to Arona and then he beat him. Decision split. I wonder if it was that one. And then he went-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 31:51 2005.

Joe Rogan 31:51 ... defending the cham- the belt, so... Wonder if it's that one. Pride Sho- pr- click on Pride Shockwave 2005. Let's see. Who else is on that card? Is Crazy Horse on that card? Charles Bennett.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:04 Oh, yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:04 Way up.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Yep.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:05 That's it.

Joe Rogan 32:06 That's the one? That's the one. That's the one. He fought Arona and he won a decision. Yeah, I was looking for video.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 32:11 And I remember wi- (laughs) it was crazy. You're so, so nuts.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:13 Look at that video of Crazy Horse staring at the camera. That's... (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:17 Click on that. See if that's... Is that a highlight of Crazy Horse? Yeah, it shows his highlights, his kill- Yeah. ... KO power. Bro, Crazy Horse had power.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 I mean, he just put people to sleep.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 32:27 He put a lot of people to sleep. Compact power too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:32 Yeah. He never went to the UFC though, huh?

Joe Rogan 32:34 Nope.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:35 He couldn't get his shit together.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Uh, he's just w- he's a wild fellow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:41 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:41 What the fuck is wrong with him?

Joe Rogan 32:42 I mean, he fought with gold teeth in. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:45 He fought with a gold grill in, and then he had a mouthpiece on top that was gold too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:51 But I don't even know where he trained.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 32:54 I forgot where he was from. Texas or somewhere, was it?

Joe Rogan 32:55 I don't remember, but I mean, he did not have, like, the ultimate skillset. He just had crazy power and he was just wild.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 33:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Very wild. And strong.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 33:07 He was strong, yes.

Joe Rogan 33:08 Very strong.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 33:09 He didn't have that much jiu-jitsu though, huh?

Joe Rogan 33:11 No, it wasn't that good on the ground, but on the feet. I mean, I don't think he ever submitted anybody that I can remember, but he fucked a lot of people up, man. Anybody that stood in front of that dude went night-night. And you could see it, once he hit them, like, one time, the difference in the power. They'd be like, "Oh, God." It's cra- power like that is really crazy, wh- when pe- some people just have just, like... Did you watch the light heavyweight title fight this weekend?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 33:37 Oh my God, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 Oh my gosh. (laughs) Bo Le Tan, man. Alex Pereira. Th- th- that fucking power is nuts.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 33:44 You know what? I, I was thinking, like, how would I would've done if I was in my prime, fighting somebody like that? You can be honest.

Joe Rogan 33:52 You have very good wrestling skills. That's... The difference is you're very strong. You, you were always a very strong light heavyweight and you had very good wrestling skills. You know, he hasn't really fought anybody that's an elite wrestler yet. You know, I mean, think about who has he fought that could really wrestle? Prochazka is like a m- he's, he's got crazy KO power, um, he's got good karate skills, and he, I mean, he did win by choking out Glover. He did win with a, with a choke.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:20 So it's not like he doesn't have skills. But he's not, you know, he's not some D- Daniel Cormier type dude. It was just an elite wrestler.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:28 I'm thinking-

Joe Rogan 34:28 Is this the video footage of the fight? It, it cuts off on the fight, so it's gotta exist somewhere else, but this is a documentary about Crazy Horse.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:35 Oh, but is it-

Joe Rogan 34:36 And it shows-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:36 Is it the behind the scenes?

Joe Rogan 34:37 It shows, like, a picture of them on the ground. It says, "Can't show the v- footage as YouTube will restrict the footage." What? YouTube restricts fights? It would, it could age-restrict the video and they're probably trying not to have that happen.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:48 Oh, so they're just showing it? So he catches him in a triangle, with jeans on, chokes him to sleep, out cold, with his phone in his hand. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:58 (laughs) Wait, okay, what is that? Oh, that's his-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:59 That's his, that's the pass.

Joe Rogan 34:59 ... his, his past.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 34:59 You know the-

Joe Rogan 35:00 Yeah. So he wakes him up, he's like, "Ah, shit."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:04 They shouldn't have had him in that locker room with them anyway.

Joe Rogan 35:06 No chance. Yeah. That's a terrible idea. And there's Wanderlei.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:08 He's talking about it?

Joe Rogan 35:09 Yeah. There's an interview with him talking about it. He said, Wanderlei says he, "Just turned and hit me."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:15 Oh, he's trying to say he got sucker punched.

Joe Rogan 35:16 Probably did. But also, they were probably talking a lot of shit, and they probably thought they could keep talking shit before getting hit, and Crazy Horse was...

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:25 Well, where was his corner man?

Joe Rogan 35:26 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:26 Well, who was with them?

Joe Rogan 35:27 Well, I think they just thought they'd get away with it, you know? They probably didn't think he was gonna swing on them, especially since Charles was l- he was light. What did he fight at?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:35 Probably 55s.

Joe Rogan 35:36 Probably something like that.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:37 Something like that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:38 And Wanderlei was-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:39 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 35:39 ... big 200.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:40 Yeah, 205. He was a big 205.

Joe Rogan 35:43 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:44 Yeah. But I was talking about, maybe, like, when I, the era, the rampage when I fought, um, Chuck Liddell.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:49 I probably wouldn't have tried to take Alex down. I probably would've-

Joe Rogan 35:52 You think you would've stood with him?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 35:53 I probably would've tried, until he, till he started fucking me up, then I'm like, "Oh, shit, then it's time to take him down."

Joe Rogan 35:57 Did you ever fight anybody who calf kicked you?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:01 Yeah, Forrest.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Forrest Griffin did?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:04 Yeah. The first-

Joe Rogan 36:04 Interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:05 The first two rounds, the fir- I think the first, the first round or something, he fucked my calf up. I'd never seen that kick before.

Joe Rogan 36:12 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:12 Interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:13 Never even trained, trained against it.

Joe Rogan 36:15 'Cause that was 2000 what?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:18 8.

Joe Rogan 36:18 08. Interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:19 My worst year ever. Yeah. He calf kicked the shit out of me. I was like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 36:27 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:27 "What the fuck is this?" This shit was hurting.

Joe Rogan 36:30 Yeah, it's, it... No one does it like Alex Pereira does.... he, he does it so sneaky.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:36 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:36 It's also, he's got that crazy long frame, you know, but he stands almost, like, square and then just throws the leg out. Like, you don't even see anything coming. There's no, no tell at all. There's no, like, dip. There's no step.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:49 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:49 He just throws it out there and all of a sudden, ugh, you see guys' legs get fucked up.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:54 One or two of 'em and you can't move good.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 36:55 Yeah. And that guy, he just came outta nowhere just fucking people up.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Well, I knew about him before because I, I watch kickboxing and I'd seen him in kickboxing and I was like, "Whoo, if this guy comes into MMA, everybody's fucked." 'Cause he was fucking everybody up with big gloves on. He would hit dudes and you could see that it was just like they had never been hit like that before. He, he would... Like, I remember the first time I saw him fight, he KO'd Dustin Jacoby, and he hit him with a left hook that just spun his head around and I was like, "Oh my God."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 37:22 Yeah. I heard he had a crazy left hook.

Joe Rogan 37:23 That's his, that's his main weapon. Like, if you thought about one weapon that he knocks everybody out with, I mean, that's the, the one he knock- knocked Jamahal Hill out with, he... The first fight with the... Or the first knockdown with Yuri. The first fight with Yuri, he knocked him out with a left hook.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 37:39 Did he go... Did he get Izzy-

Joe Rogan 37:40 Adesanya-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 37:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:40 ... he got him with a left hook.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 37:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:42 He gets everybody with that left hook. Yeah. Uh, but he's got... It's not like that's the only weapon he... Anything he hits you with, you're fucked.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 37:50 But if you know he got a big left hook, how come you don't train to just keep your hand up so you just look out for it? Like, that's what boxers do. I don't understand it.

Joe Rogan 37:56 And he throws a nasty jab to the body too, and that's one of the things he did with Yuri.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:00 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:00 He throws this jab to the body and it sounded like a right hand. It was just blap, blap. And it was like this fight he fought different than he fought the first fight. I think the first fight, he let Yuri get a little wild, and then he's, like, trying to find his openings. In this fight, he was like, "I'm gonna shut all that wild shit down."

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:17 And it was a short notice fight for them too, wasn't it?

Joe Rogan 38:18 Yeah, couple weeks.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:20 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:20 Just a couple of weeks. I think Yuri got three weeks. And Alex, when he found out about the fight, I believe he was in Australia doing seminars.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:30 And, uh, they said, "Hey, do you wanna defend your light heavyweight title, international fight week in three weeks?"

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:36 And he's like, "L- let me think about this for a little bit." (laughs) So there's the left hook.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:40 Let me see this.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Boom. Fadeaway left hook.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:45 Yeah, fuck. He's just got a lotta power in that hook.

Joe Rogan 38:47 It's crazy power.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:48 And he's tal- he's a big guy too, huh?

Joe Rogan 38:50 He's huge. And there's the head kick.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:53 Okay.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Th- they should've stopped that fight the moment he went down. They shouldn't have let him eat all those extra shots.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 38:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 I mean, he was done. I think Herb wanted to give him a chance because the first fight got stopped a little premature.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:04 The thing about that guy is y- you can't let that guy hurt you 'cause i- he'll hit you one more time, and if he hits you one more time, you're gone.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:12 Yeah, but, you know, some- sometimes you just be caught in the moment. Like, people give me shit for, uh, hitting Beneil, like, three more times-

Joe Rogan 39:18 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:18 ... when I knocked him out-

Joe Rogan 39:19 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:19 ... in the UFC. Sometimes you just get caught in the moment.

Joe Rogan 39:22 Yeah, you don't even know what's happening, right?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:24 No. Yeah, you don't. You don't know. You don't care about-

Joe Rogan 39:25 Also, that guy, y- you had history with that guy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:28 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:29 You know, and you wanted to get that back.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:31 He deserved it, but I, I, I know I shouldn't have did it. If I would've been in my right mind, I wouldn't have gave him... Because it's, it's much cooler to have a walk-off knockout, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:38 Right.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:39 But I wouldn't have gave him those extras, but, uh, the day before, he pushed me at the weigh-ins.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:44 And he talked shit to me and I... And, and, and at that... You know how they have that rules meeting or whatever?

Joe Rogan 39:48 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:49 And he was talking shit to me, like I was scared of him. I was like, "All right, bro, come on." I was like, uh... I was in the zone.

Joe Rogan 39:56 I guess he felt like 'cause he had beaten you-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 ... twice-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 39:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:59 ... that it was gonna be... You know, you were in his head.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 40:01 Not only did he beat me, he gave me two of the worst ass-whoopings I ever had in my career, and so he probably thought that was in the back of my head.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 40:09 But I think most time people get like that, you know? They get where, "Oh, this guy got my number. Blah, blah, blah." I, I didn't have any of those feelings. I just knew... I always knew I could beat him, but the first two times I, I fought him... I think the first time I fought him, I had fought Chuck Liddell 45 minutes before.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 40:27 And then the second time, I went through this crazy, um, religious thing where I got born again first day of training camp.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Whoa.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 40:35 Yeah. It's the cra-

Joe Rogan 40:35 What happened there?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 40:36 Craziest, craziest thing in my life. Craziest... I, I still, I still... It's like it's the craziest thing that ever happened to me. Um, you know, uh, back then I was a single parent. I, I had got, um, custody of my son. He was three years old and just overnight I was a dad and, and I'm trying to fight in Japan and everything. And I don't, I don't... And after that, uh, after that Arona fight, and like I was saying, I was... I had got real famous in Japan and then I was going out partying a- a lot drinking and, and I never became an alcoholic because, you know, I, I, I, I don't like alcoholics and stuff like that 'cause my dad used to be one. I, I always drank socially, but then I started craving alcohol. So, long story short, I think, uh, one thing led to another and, um, one day I just had this crazy dream and I was, um, at home and, and it, it seemed like it was a devil in my chest with his hands like this. I'll never forget having these hands in my chest and had some female spirits around and he was saying, "It's okay. It's okay. It's okay." And I was, like, just laying there in my dream and I heard a voice say, "Do you know this man?" I was like, "No." Then he said, "Well, you're not okay. Well, it's not okay." I said, "Whoa," and I jumped up and I went to go... I was scared as fuck. You know, I'm a big bad motherfucker fucking people up, and I was scared. And I went to go wake my son up and, and he, and he was... He said he was dreaming. He wouldn't tell me his dream 'cause he didn't like me that much because, you know, I just got custody of him and I'm, I'm being the father figure, making him eat healthy and telling him no and stuff like that. So he wouldn't tell me a whole lot. But, um, he, he said he was dreaming. So my friend finally got it out of him. He said, "When my dad woke me up, God and the devil was fighting and, and God hit the devil with the sword. And when I woke him up, he just did like this. (gargling) Just purged a lotta white puss out his mouth."

Joe Rogan 42:17 What?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:17 Yeah. Crazy. True story. So I take him... That's not even the, the scary part. That's, that wasn't what scared me. What scared me was I took him to preschool and I got back in my, my car and I must've left the radio on. As soon as I turned the, the radio on, it was, um, something... It was, uh, a commercial on. I didn't know at the time what commercial it was, but it said, "The curse of such and such. Your soul is mine." That scared the shit out of me.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Whoa.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:40 I turned the radio off for six weeks-Like six- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:43 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:44 ... like six weeks. I found out later it was a fucking, uh, commercial for, um, Revenge of the Mummy ride in fucking-

Joe Rogan 42:50 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:50 ... Six Flags. That shit scared me straight.

Joe Rogan 42:53 You thought it was the devil talking to you?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:54 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Oh my God.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:55 Scared me straight, bro.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 42:57 And then that, that night, I couldn't sleep. Me and my son, we went to go sleep over at one of my friends' house, and this w- this is what, this is what brought me to, to being born again, what Christians say. I had to piss, and I was over at my friend's house. It was really dark. I told you how I was scared. I couldn't sleep in my room. Me and my son sleeping on the floor in my friend's room, and I had to take a piss. And my son was wetting the bed and he was lying a lot. I'm trying to teach him not to lie and teach him not to wet the bed, and I was f- (laughs) I was feeling wet the bed and, and blaming it on him-

Joe Rogan 43:26 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 43:26 ... 'cause I was too scared to go to the bathroom. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:29 You were too scared to go to the bathroom?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 43:32 Bro.

Joe Rogan 43:32 That's so nuts.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 43:33 Yeah. And I, and I just, what I did, I prayed to God, 'cause my dad, my dad had just got saved like two years before and he said he was praying for me. And, uh, I remember when my dad said, he said, "Oh, when you pray to God, just say in Jesus' name." So, I was like, "God, I'm a coward right now. Just take this fear from my heart. In Jesus' name, I love you. Amen." And within two minutes, I was laughing and crying at the same time. And I rece-

Joe Rogan 43:57 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 43:58 And I received the Holy Ghost's spirit. And I was, I wasn't afraid. I went to go use the restroom, my eyes were different, everything was different, right?

Joe Rogan 44:03 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 44:04 That's the first day of training camp for Wale, the second fight. And then, so I'm training for Wale. My coach thought I was crazy. He brought a preacher in. He thought I lost my mind, thought I was crazy, 'cause you know, I'm totally ... You know how I was back then. I'm saying a whole bunch of crazy shit, doing a whole bunch of crazy shit. And, and again, I didn't cuss anymore. It just, just changed me right away. And, um, and then my coach found out I wasn't crazy, but it was the start of, you know, our relationship going south. And, um, I started training for, for Wale, then we got closer to the fight and I was like, "I'm gonna kill this motherfucker. I'm gonna kill him." And I'm thinking in my mind like, "I'm Christian now. I can't be thinking like that." This is the most confusing part of my life, man. Uh, I, so I fasted like an idiot. I fasted for like three or four days 'cause I read in the Bible when you fast, you get closer to God and all that stuff. And it's true, I got closer to God, but it wasn't a good idea to fast before a fucking championship fight and I'm not there.

Joe Rogan 44:56 How many days out from the fight were you fasting?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 44:59 Well, uh, so I got to Japan that, I think that Tuesday and the fight was that Sunday, so I, I think I broke my fast. I, I, so I think I ... It was like, uh, four days before the fight when I, when I ended my fast, but I think I fasted for three or four days.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Whoa.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 45:14 Yeah. I never did that shit again.

Joe Rogan 45:15 And you were training while you were fasting?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:18 How bad was that?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 45:19 Bro, I was on anot- I was in another place. It was the weirdest, weirdest thing. I, I didn't have to cut weight. That's my first time never had, I didn't have to cut weight before my fight.

Joe Rogan 45:27 Wow.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 45:28 I thought that was a good thing. But I, I thought I was doing good. I was winning the fight, then I got knocked the fuck out and I, I, I tried to cop it up to me, um, fasting. That's my, that's my excuse, I think.

Joe Rogan 45:38 Well, it certainly would've drained your body to not eat for three days. (clears throat) I mean, if you're going for performance, and they say it does, it's healthy for your body every now and then to take a few days off-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 45:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:49 ... and not consume any food, but not before a fight.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 45:53 Not before a fight, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:54 No. I mean, I wouldn't even say before camp. I would, I mean, I would say make it to like, you're out. Like, you, you got time.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:01 Yeah. I've, I be trying to fast now for health reasons and I can't, I can't even get past two days now.

Joe Rogan 46:06 Yeah?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:07 Yeah. Can't do it.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Do you eat a lot of carbohydrates?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:10 No. I, I cut that shit out.

Joe Rogan 46:11 (clears throat) Yeah?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:12 Remember, I got super fat.

Joe Rogan 46:14 You-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:14 Espec- especially my last fight with Fedor, my God.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:17 I got, I got super fat. I got, uh, mixed diagnosed with, with hypothyroid.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 46:21 And they had me on this fucking medicine and shit, and that shit fucked me up, man. Uh, I started training with this, um, this crazy social media, uh, guy, uh, name's Sean Rez. He's been my friend for years. I met him from, from one of my other friends. And I, I used to always see him. We used to kick it and party and stuff like that, you know, go out drinking and we eating up at his house with girls and stuff and hang out, and he was always ripped, like a Persian guy, but he, he looked like a fucking Viking, right? So one day I asked the guy, I'm like, "Man, how in the fuck you stay ripped like that all year round?" He, and he told me, he said, "Man, this is what I do." I said, "You on that shit, ain't you?" He said, "No, I ain't on shit." And he said, "I, I, I do two hours of cardio." He, he works out like two or three times a day and he don't eat carbs.

Joe Rogan 47:04 How of- Jesus Christ.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:06 Yeah. That's my, that's my trainer, that's my coach, man. He changed my fucking life, bro.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Damn.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:09 I lost-

Joe Rogan 47:10 That dude looks good.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:11 I lost 30 pounds training with him.

Joe Rogan 47:12 And so he does two hours of cardio how often a week?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:16 This motherfucker train like six, seven days a week.

Joe Rogan 47:18 So he does two, two hours of cardio every day?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:20 Well, uh, well now I think he dropped it down to an hour now, but when-

Joe Rogan 47:24 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:24 ... when I asked him, he was doing two hours of StairMaster and I, and, so I did it with him, right? This motherfucker is on like level 13. I'm over there on level four, like fucking dying. He's on level 13 for like fucking an hour straight.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Damn.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:37 He's the strongest mind I ever fucking met.

Joe Rogan 47:39 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:39 Yeah. He changed my life, he ... And, and he, he, he don't take, he don't take no shit. You know how I be trying to get out of shit? Like, "No, you meet me at the gym at this motherfucking time." He don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 47:48 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 47:48 But he changed my life and changed my diet. So now I just, I, I don't know if it's like a carnivore diet, but I, I, I eat, um, I eat vegetables and stuff, but I, I mostly eat steak every day and sweet potatoes.

Joe Rogan 47:58 Yeah, so like more of like a, what would they call that? Paleo diet?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:02 Yeah. I don't got ... I just, I just eat what he tell me to eat.

Joe Rogan 48:04 Yeah. I think there's a lot of people that feel like the real problem that people have is with grains.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Grains, carbohydrates that come from bread, pasta, that kind of shit, rice.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:14 And then if you can cut all that out and just eat meat and vegetables, you'll be way better off.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:18 Bro, I've learned by traveling the world. I went to Colombia to get, um, stem cells.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:22 And I, I stayed there for like eight days, and I lose weight and I eat whatever the fuck I want, and I lose weight there. I could eat pasta, bread, whatever there, and I lost like 15 pounds in eight days over there, over there getting, um, you know, bioxcellerator?

Joe Rogan 48:35 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:36 Getting stem cells. Uh, uh, at first I thought it was the stem cells, but one time I went there and I, and I just went to hang out. I didn't get stem cells. Still lost 15 pounds. It's the food.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:44 American food is bad, bro.

Joe Rogan 48:46 Terrible.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:46 Terrible.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Terrible. Just filled with preservatives and bullshit and seed oils and corn syrup and just shit.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 48:53 Why, why they doing us like that, man?

Joe Rogan 48:55 'Cause they make money. They don't give a fuck.... it's the same thing as why they overprescribe medications, the same thing why they send us off to war. They don't give a fuck. It, when, when you allow people to make as much money as they possibly can, they do, almost every time, especially Americans, almost every time, they sacrifice people for money.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 49:14 Yeah. I, I, I figured that's what it... it's all boiled down to money. But there's other ways to make money off of us than-

Joe Rogan 49:19 Yeah. But they started this shit in the 1960s, man. They bribed sugar scientists. It was the '60s, right? Wasn't it, when they did that? I think it was the '50s. '50s? I think so. They bribed sugar scientists. They, they bribed scientists, rather, to, uh, say that, um, sugar is good for you and saturated fats are bad for you. They tried to say that all these people having heart attacks and all the cardiovascular issues that people have, that this is actually because of sh- of, uh, saturated fat, which is just not true. You're right, '60s, it says. "1960s, the sugar industry paid scientists to downplay the link between sugar and heart disease. Instead of..." Uh, "and in- and instead promote saturated fat as the culprit. Sugar Research Foundation, now known as The Sugar Association, funded the research that reviewed the scientific literature and set the review's objective. Sugar Research Foundation also provided materials for review and examined drafts before publication." Yeah. It was all bullshit. And fat is good for you. Fat is healthy for you, especially saturated fat. "What? What are you saying?" Yeah. Fat from meat is really good for you.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 50:22 It makes sense.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Yeah, of course it makes sense. It's what human beings have been eating forever. It's what most indigenous tribes, that's what they try to get. They try to get fat. They try to get meat and fat. That's why people, like Inuits, before American food started, ah, American food and alcohol and cigarettes started making its way to, like, the Inuit tribes, they had very low instances of heart disease, and they eat nothing but fat. They're eating fat all the time. They're eating whale blubber and all kinds of shit like that, and seal.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 50:52 Just, it seems like it, it's just more natural. That's, that's what-

Joe Rogan 50:54 It's normal. It's food. It's real food. That's, this thu- the stuff that you're fo... Like, when people say that margarine is good for you. Ye- margarine is fucking terrible for you. I can't believe it's not butter. Bitch, I can believe it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 51:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:07 It doesn't taste anything like butter. It doesn't taste... It's like got a buttery texture. It's fucking terrible. It's a big tub of seed oil. That shit's awful for you.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 51:15 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 51:15 There's also like, uh, uh, there's a lot of people that try to link the consumption of seed oils and margarine and shit like that to Alzheimer's. That's when people started getting Alzheimer's disease. They started, uh, using that stuff instead of butter and margarine. They- or butter and, um, fat.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 51:29 I remember hearing that it was from deodorant, antiperspirant. That's not true?

Joe Rogan 51:34 That's gotta be bad for you too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 51:35 That scare, that scared me 'cause I don't wanna be funky, though. But then-

Joe Rogan 51:38 (laughs) Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 51:39 ... I don't wanna be like mindless, like, when I go-

Joe Rogan 51:41 You can use, uh, m- there's deodorants that don't have aluminum in it. Uh, I take... I use a Tom's of Maine deodorant, but there's a bunch of other ones. There's another one that I use. God, can't... Native? Native's real good. I'll use that. But I use, I use deodorant that doesn't have aluminum in it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 51:55 I tried it 'cause... You know, my son, my son is a hippie, and he tried to get me into all this shit, and I tried it. But-

Joe Rogan 52:01 You have a hippie for a son? That's funny.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:02 Yeah. My, my son, Roger, he's, um, the one that was fighting.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:06 He's a fucking hippie, bro.

Joe Rogan 52:08 In what way?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:10 Shit, he's just like hippies, bro. He's, he's-

Joe Rogan 52:12 All natural stuff?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:13 He's like, he motherfu- Like mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Mushrooms are good for you.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:16 Well-

Joe Rogan 52:17 Talk to Rashad about that.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:18 I know I did.

Joe Rogan 52:19 Rashad is, uh, one of the most knowledgeable people I've ever talked to when it comes to, like, mushroom supplements, like reishi and, uh, um, lion's mane and all that stuff.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:29 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 52:29 He takes all those.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:30 ... that's the healthy stuff. But he, he like the mushrooms that make you trip and shit.

Joe Rogan 52:33 He likes those too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:34 Well, it changed, changed him into a totally different person. He's a different guy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:38 Totally different guy.

Joe Rogan 52:39 He's just like, just sweet, like, like, at peace, calm guy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:43 Bro.

Joe Rogan 52:43 I think he's vegan now too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:44 He's, he's a, he's a vegitarian.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Vegitarian? (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:49 (laughs) He eats pussy and vegetables? (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:53 Well, I, I can't knock on that, 'cause I'm a vegitarian myself. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:57 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 52:57 No, he's a vegetarian. I, I saw him not too long ago. You know, uh, him and I are talking about doing a boxing match in- against each other in November.

Joe Rogan 53:02 Oh, really? Interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:03 Yeah, we're trying, we're trying to get that going.

Joe Rogan 53:04 What is going on with you and Shannon Cannon?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:06 Bro, bro, this motherfucker called me out. As soon as I got knocked out by Fedor, he called me out. And, and he said he was gonna promote the fight. MMA guys, we, we not promoters.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Wasn't it before that?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:18 No, nah. I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 53:19 You guys weren't jawing at each other before then?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:21 No. I, I remember after that.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Let's go, champ.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:23 Yeah. And then we were supposed to fight, and we, we finally had a, had a show. We was gonna do it in Qatar, but the guys that were putting on, they ended up to be fucking scam artists.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Oh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:34 And I w- I was trusting them. I, I really liked the guys. They was cool people, but fast talkers. And, um, like, two months before I pulled out, Shannon was like, "Man," he, he was like, "Man, these guys are scammers, bro." I'm like, "Man, you brought these motherfuckers to me." He said, "Yeah, but I don't trust them no more. They're scammers." So I was like, "Man, they're, they're gonna just..." Fuck it, I was waiting to fight him.

Joe Rogan 53:53 But then I heard there was talk again.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 53:55 He's still, he's still trying, but I, I lost my faith in, in Shannon. I don't, I don't know if he's, he's gonna get it done. He, he, he talks a good game. I hope, I hope he get it done. If he ever gets it done, I'll be game to fight him. But right now, you know, I guess my first boxing match is gonna be against Rashad. I, I, I need to get that win back.

Joe Rogan 54:12 And where is that gonna be at?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:14 They was talking about in Atlanta.

Joe Rogan 54:16 Oh, really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:17 For what organization?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:18 I'm not sure, but he said it was gonna be under the ONE FC banner. That's what, that's what he-

Joe Rogan 54:22 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:22 Yeah, that's what he telling me. I'm waiting for my manager to talk to him.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Interesting. Oh, interesting. ONE FC. ONE FC does everything.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:28 It's an interesting organization-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:30 ... 'cause they'll have an event with grappling, kickboxing, Muay Thai, and MMA.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:34 I like that.

Joe Rogan 54:34 All diff- I love it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:35 I liked that fight that Mighty Mouse did with that Muay Thai guy.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Yes. Raw Tang? That was very interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:40 His name is Raw Tang?

Joe Rogan 54:41 Rod Tang.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:42 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Rod Tang. (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:44 He's, he's a wild dude.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:46 He's tough, huh?

Joe Rogan 54:47 Oh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:47 I see his clips on TikTok all the time.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Bro, he's dangerous. Takes a crazy shot too. He's got an iron chin.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:52 Yeah, yeah. He just...

Joe Rogan 54:53 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:54 He... Ah.

Joe Rogan 54:54 Yeah, this guy's hit him. "Come on motherfucker, hit me." That's crazy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 54:57 He kicks so fucking hard too.

Joe Rogan 54:58 But I guess those little guys, they can do that, though. They can let people hit 'em.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:01 Some people. You can't let Crazy Horse hit you. You know?

Joe Rogan 55:03 Oh, yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:04 Like, different people.Yeah, I get it.

Joe Rogan 55:05 You like, Poatan. Like, when you see Pereira, there, there's not a fucking person in the world that can get hit by that guy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:11 No, I wouldn't let, I wouldn't let no big guy... If I was... No, not at 205. 205-

Joe Rogan 55:15 Did you watch Joe Pyfer fight at 85?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:17 Who?

Joe Rogan 55:18 Joe Pyfer?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:19 L- he's on 303?

Joe Rogan 55:20 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:21 No.

Joe Rogan 55:21 He was, he was the featured prelim of the undercard. He's one of the hardest fucking punchers ever.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:26 I got, I got to the fight late. I, I watched it when that girl got that cut. I watched-

Joe Rogan 55:30 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:30 That was my first fight. He was before that?

Joe Rogan 55:32 He was before that, I believe. Yeah, 'cause M- uh, Mairone Bueno Silva was in the main card on pay-per-view, uh, and Macy Chiasson. This is Joe Pyfer. This mother-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:41 Which one? With the white shorts?

Joe Rogan 55:42 Yeah. This motherfucker can crack.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:45 Oh my God. What weight class is that? 85?

Joe Rogan 55:48 85, and he's huge.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:49 Yeah, 85, that's big guy.

Joe Rogan 55:50 He's hu- But he don't look 85. I mean, he weighs 85 for about five minutes. That fucking dude's huge.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:55 And is he 85?

Joe Rogan 55:57 Yes.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 55:57 I met him in, for the first time in Saudi Arabia, and that guy was big as fuck. I was surprised when I saw it. He's like tall as-

Joe Rogan 56:04 He's tall as fuck, yeah. Tall and long, you know? And, uh, the dude he's fighting, Dricus du Plessis, that's another guy. Like, how the fuck do you weigh 85? I stand next to that guy, I'm like, "How the fuck are you 185 pounds?"

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 56:17 They must be cutting for like 230 or 220.

Joe Rogan 56:19 Oh, he's cutting from a lot. He looks like a heavyweight. When you stand next to Dricus, he's a big, wide motherfucker. He's thick.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 56:26 What's the weight class now in the UFC? What's the it weight class? When I was there, it was 205.

Joe Rogan 56:30 It's probably 205 right now, but the problem is, Pereira has cleaned out the division. There's only Ankalaev, who's very good. That's a good fight, but a lot of people don't know who he is. It's not a, like a big name fight. Jiri Prochazka is a big name.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 56:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Everybody knows who he is. Got that crazy look with the, the bun, the samurai bun.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 56:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:49 He shaved that shit off after the fight, though.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 56:51 Did he?

Joe Rogan 56:51 And he's like, "That's, wasn't... What the fuck am I doing here with this thing?"

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 56:54 Yeah, it did look kinda stupid, though.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Well, it, you know, it looked crazy when it got, when he got hit 'cause it, it bobs around.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:00 Yeah, 'cause the way he tapes it up and shit.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:02 Why, why you gotta tape it up? It's in the back of your... He's not gonna get in your-

Joe Rogan 57:05 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:05 Uh, it's not gonna get in your face, right?

Joe Rogan 57:07 I don't think you should be allowed to have that, because I think that gets in the way of stuff.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 'Cause if you're trying to, like, if you're trying to secure a choke or you're trying to go over the top of the head, there's like a thing there.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:18 Like, some... It, it might get in, it might, for a split second, might keep you from clasping your hands together. For a split second, it might keep him from getting out of something.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:28 It's in the way.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:28 Yeah, just braid it.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Yeah. Yeah, just braid.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:31 Just put tape. Yeah, don't put tape o- What? I don't understand that.

Joe Rogan 57:33 I think he wants to be like a samurai. I think it's crazy that-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:36 Oh. Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:36 You know, he thinks of himself as the Czech Samurai.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:38 Oh, he's, uh, he's Czech?

Joe Rogan 57:39 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:39 I didn't know where the fuck he was from.

Joe Rogan 57:41 He's a wild dude. He's a wild dude. And he hits f- hard as fuck. But that's not good enough when you're fighting a guy that's that skilled.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:47 Bro, fighting Alex, he had... I didn't like the way he had his hands down.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:52 You don't fight a guy like Alex with your hands that low.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 57:54 'Cause it takes a while to get them up.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Yeah. Well, he likes to fight that way 'cause he lures people in exchanges and he hits so hard, and it works on everybody else. It worked on Rakic, it works on Dominic Reyes. Everybody else, you don't want that guy standing in front of you.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:11 No.

Joe Rogan 58:11 You know, because he, he, he lures you into exchanges and he's willing to take a shot to give a shot, and his punches are so hard. But you can't do that with Pereira, 'cause Pereira's-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:20 ... a better kickboxer, hits harder. He's huge, and he's just too slick. He's like, he, what he...

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:28 He knows how to set things up.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:29 Man.

Joe Rogan 58:30 And he also knows it only takes one shot with him.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:32 Yeah, he should've learned that the first time he fought him, right?

Joe Rogan 58:33 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:34 He said, "Get your hands up."

Joe Rogan 58:35 Well, seeing about the first time is what, he won the first round of the first fight.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 58:40 And then he was winning the second round before he got clipped, and he actually had Pereira in a little bit of trouble. He, he, there was some exchanges where he hit Pereira, had him moving backwards, but Alex is just too cl- He, d- He hits you. It's too scary.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:52 Yeah, I was worried about Alex's chin, but that was at 85 when he had to cut all that weight. You know you cut a lot of weight-

Joe Rogan 58:57 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 58:57 ... that, that fucks up your chin.

Joe Rogan 58:58 100%. And his chin at 85 was not the same. I mean, you gotta think of how much weight he was cutting. He was weighing in at 85 and then fighting at 225. That's insane.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:10 That's 40 fucking pounds, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:12 In one day.

Joe Rogan 59:13 In a day. That's insane. I mean-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 ... I don't know how he did it.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:18 That weight cut is gonna, um, take tot- I think that's what fucked me up with my, with my health, I think.

Joe Rogan 59:23 Yeah?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:24 Yeah. When you get older... Look at people like James Toney.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:26 You see how he looks now?

Joe Rogan 59:28 Yeah.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:29 You remember where he used to fight at?

Joe Rogan 59:30 Yeah. He's, used to be super middleweight.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Yeah, I remember when he fought Roy Jones. I rem- I remember when he fought everybody. I mean, James Toney beat Evander at heavyweight. You know, James Toney-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:40 Mm.

Joe Rogan 59:40 ... was a bad man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:41 A bad man.

Joe Rogan 59:42 Hard hit, too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:43 But he, but he cut a lot of weight, and I think that-

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yes.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:45 ... I think that fucks up your metabolism or something down the line when you get older, cutting all that weight and then putting-

Joe Rogan 59:49 It-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:49 ... it back on.

Joe Rogan 59:50 Yeah, it does. I'm sure.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:51 It fucked me up.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Yeah, I'm sure it does. It's, I'm sure it does. It's, it's terrible for your kidneys.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:57 Oh, who else? Uh, what's that, uh, Princess Seame?

Joe Rogan 59:59 Uh-huh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 59:59 Have, have you seen?

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Narcisse Marbod? Yeah, he's big.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:01 Yeah, he's big. Like a lot of fighters go through that, like, um, Ricky Hatton. I think he got his, his self under control now. But he used to blow up, and that, that fucks you up.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Yeah, but it's also like fighters, when they're not training and they're not fighting anymore, they just start eating.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:14 Oh, man. Yeah, I was bad for that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 Yeah, they just eat like crazy.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:17 You enjoy yourself, 'cause you had to be so disciplined-

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:19 ... in training camps. And then after that, you just, you just, uh, I o- I just always say, "Oh, I'm just gonna enjoy myself for like a week, then get back, and I'm never gonna get fat again."

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:29 I used to say that shit all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:31 Two weeks, bro. Two weeks, I'm back fucking fat as fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Uh.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:34 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Isn't it crazy how quick it gets back on you?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Especially if you're eating pizza and bullshit, and if you're drinking.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:40 Oh, yeah, drinking.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Drinking is number one.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Yeah, drinking, drinking puts it on you quick, and I think that's where Ricky, Ricky Hatton was having a little bit of a problem.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 That happens with a lot of fighters, especially, uh, guys who've got some brain damage. You know, they, they really crave alcohol, you know?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:00:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 There's something about, um, your dopamine levels drop. And like, when, when you've had significant amount of brain damage, you know, you've been KO'd a bunch of times, a lot of guys lean towards alcohol to make them feel better.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:09 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 But it's all... You know, some people get KO'd and they're fine. Like-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:14 Like those K- those K-1 guys.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:16 They don't even look gun shy. You know when, when, um, Wanderlei knocked me out? That was my first time ever getting knocked out. And I didn't even go all the way unconscious. I remember hanging on the ropes. You remember that?

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:25 And I remember thinking like, "Damn, I just got knocked the fuck out." And I could re- remember everything. I was dangling on the ropes-

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:30 ... and I remember like blood dropping.And, and then after that, I was gun shy all the way up to when I come in to fight Chuck Liddell. I was... And I remember in those fights I was gun shy and I was like, "Man, I gotta fight Chuck Liddell. He's a, he's, like, one of the best strikers I've been up against. I need to bring somebody in to get me over this gun shyness." And that's how I met Cheick Kongo.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:51 Yeah, I met him at the UFC once before. He was, like, a big scary-looking guy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Mm-hmm.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:01:55 And, um, my manager called his manager, and we, we flew him from France over to that training camp, and he kicked the shit out of me.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 (laughs)

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:04 (laughs) And I got over that g- I got over that gun shyness.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 It was interesting.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:06 It was a great camp.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Cheick Kongo was a beast. Remember that fight with Pat Barry?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:10 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 That is one of the craziest comebacks in the history of the sport.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:15 The craziest one, hands down.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Pat Barry was just swinging. Pat Barry was a good kickboxer, man. Real good kickboxer. And Pat Barry had him real badly hurt, and a lot of people could've stopped that fight. And he went down a couple of times.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:29 Couple times.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 And then he clipped him with one shot. Boom.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:32 Bro, that's Kongo for you. That guy, countless times he'd go through training camp, he'd get injured, won't tell nobody, and still he'd go out there and fight. I'm talking about with injuries that, that people would have to get surgeries for that wouldn't fight. He-

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Really?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:45 Yeah. I don't know what's wrong with him.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Here it is. There it is. There's the one right hand that drops him.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 And Pat just got reckless, and he jumped all over him. Pat had big power too.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 I mean, look at the size of him, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:02:56 Look at the size difference, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 He was a tank. But, yeah, t- I mean, Kongo was real tall and big, but Pat was a tank, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:04 Oh. I think I was in Kongo's corner. I can't remember, but I was watching that fight. I think I was doing a commentating up-

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 Crazy. Here it is.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:10 ... up top.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Boom.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:10 Oh. That... Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Boom. Out cold.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:13 You don't even see it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Yeah, you don't even see it. He hit him with one, stung him, and then the other one, his eyes roll back.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:18 Oh, you see his eyes?

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Yeah, they're still open. Yeah, his eyes were rolled back. He was out. He was in the dark lands. Look at him.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:24 Look at... Look. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 Yeah. He was in the dark lands. He just got too, too wild. He got too wild. I mean, he had Kongo hurt, man.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Real badly hurt.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:34 Yeah, he was going in for the kill.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Look, he gets clipped-

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:36 That's the one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 ... by the ear and then this one. Boom.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:38 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 I mean, that one just shut him off. And, you know, moving backwards kinda off angle. Still, crazy power.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:46 But, you know, Kongo was r- is a really good kickboxer too. He beat Cro Cop.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Yeah. Yup.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:50 I... I didn't wanna talk shit. Kongo's like my big bro, but I, I was real proud of him to beat Cro Cop 'cause Cro Cop is dangerous, man, with those leg kicks.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Whew.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:03:58 Those head kicks.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 Every kick. Yeah, he's one of the hardest kickers ever. There's a picture of him when he fought Heath Herring. Did you ever see that fight?

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson 1:04:06 Oh, yeah. He kicked him in the body.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 He kicked him in the body, and his