JRE MMA Show #161 with Khalil Rountree Jr.

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeah. What's up?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:16 Hello. What up? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 Good to see you, man. What's happening?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:17 We're back, we're back, we're back.

Joe Rogan 0:18 We were just talking about eating pigeon. So I was in Europe and, uh, I had, uh, pigeon. And it's, it's a red meat.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:26 Wait, pigeon's a red meat?

Joe Rogan 0:27 Yeah, it's red. And they serve it very rare. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:30 That (laughs) , wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Joe Rogan 0:32 I know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:32 Wait. First of all, eating pigeon is just, it's different.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:36 But you're telling me that it's red meat.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:38 And they serve it rare.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Yeah, it's rare.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:43 Well, there's quite a-

Narrator 0:43 I need more details. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:44 I know. (laughs)

Narrator 0:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:45 I, I was a little stunned too. When the guy... Well, the chef basically, he, he brought us out food, right? We didn't order off the menu, he just brought us out this food. And, uh, when the pigeon came-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 0:55 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah, it looks red, man. Like, it looks almost like you're eating a piece of steak.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00 It's like before you prep it, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:03 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03 ... this is not what I would expect it being, like, getting served, this.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Well, there's a bunch of different, uh, birds that have red meat, like ostrich. Ostrich is red meat.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:13 I didn't know that either.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Yeah, I used to get ostrich burgers at Fuddruckers. I think Fuddruckers went under, unfortunately.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:19 You know what?

Joe Rogan 1:20 Fud-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:20 I think I did have an ostrich burger at Fuddruckers, like years ago.

Joe Rogan 1:23 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:23 Now that I think about it.

Joe Rogan 1:24 It's the shit. It's very good.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:25 Ah, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:27 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:27 Wow. So wait, tell me more about this.

Joe Rogan 1:29 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:29 What's it, what's the word again? How do you, how do you say it?

Joe Rogan 1:31 Squab.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:32 Squab.

Joe Rogan 1:32 That's what they call it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:33 Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 1:33 They call it squab. But this guy just said it was pigeon.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:35 How do they... So it was like the breast, it's like pigeon breast, like-

Joe Rogan 1:37 Yeah, it's just pigeon breast. It's a r- like a red meat.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:40 It does look kind of juicy, huh? Like when you see a pigeon-

Joe Rogan 1:43 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:43 ... they're, they're pretty like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:45 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:45 They're, they're pretty jacked, so I'd imagine it's a good cutlet.

Joe Rogan 1:48 Well, this conversation started off air, because that's what it looks like.

Narrator 1:51 Yo, that's the rib eye of the sky. That was just that sandhill crane.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Oh, o- okay, that's sandhill crane. Now look at that. Doesn't that look like beef?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:56 Yeah, it looks like beef.

Joe Rogan 1:57 They call them rib eyes in the sky. That's sandhill cranes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:01 It's delicious, apparently.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:02 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:02 I've never had it, but it's supposed to be insanely delicious.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:05 Wow. Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:06 Yeah, they had them in Texas. It's a, it's a big one in Texas.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:09 That's interesting.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah. So we were talking about animals that have been modified, like we were looking at Carl. And we're like, how crazy is it that a human, over thousands of years, altered y- by select breeding-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:20 ... created that thing? It's kind of nuts.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:22 Yeah, I mean, since we're on the topic, this is kind of weird. There was one, I, I was going down this crazy like YouTube spiral. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:30 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:30 And, uh, there was some guy who was just making creations. Like, he used human ... He was just cross-fertilizing shit.

Joe Rogan 2:41 Oh, God.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:42 Yeah, it was the craziest thing ever. I don't know-

Joe Rogan 2:44 Chimeras, right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:45 I don't know what the hell you call it.

Joe Rogan 2:46 So-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 2:46 But he was like making these creatures, and then they were like living in these jars. And then it would fast-forward like, you know, three weeks, four weeks, and they're growing. And one of them had this like crazy little eye, and it was the weirdest shit I've ever seen, which then led me down going on another spiral where it's like apparently there's people around the world who will like do like breed, breed like goat mixed with like fucking human, and like it's just weird, man. There's a whole nother, whole world out there-

Joe Rogan 3:16 I'm not surprised.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 3:16 There's a whole nother world out there.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Do you know the, the Russians were trying to do that in World War I or World War II? Which world war was it? So the Russians were trying to make a hybrid human/chimpanzee.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 3:28 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:29 And the idea was you get a super violent psycho human-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 3:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:33 ... and you don't have to worry about Russians dying.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 3:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:35 You got this fucking creation ... 'Cause Russians were dying by the millions. I mean-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 3:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:39 ... W- World War I and World War II were fucking uh-

Narrator 3:41 It would've been World War I, I guess. Yeah, before that.

Joe Rogan 3:42 World War I. Unbelievably brutal. So hybridization of animals is famous for controversial attempts to create a human ape hybrid by inseminating three female chimpanzees with human sperm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 3:53 Yeah, it's wild.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Yeah, bro. They were trying wild shit. They were trying to make something so that they could send it off to war. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:00 (laughs) Do we have ... D- d- did, did they succeed? Like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:03 I, I, pff, don't know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:04 We don't know. See, that's the crazy thing.

Joe Rogan 4:06 That's the thing, is like ...

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:06 But where are these test things going? Or where are the test subjects, you know? Like, what the hell happened?

Joe Rogan 4:09 Well, listen, let's ... We ... I think we both agree, for sure there's a clone out there in the world.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:14 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:15 There has to be something.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Has to be, right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:16 They must have tried that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:18 They've done it with sheep, they do it ... You can get your dog cloned. You can get Carl cloned.

Narrator 4:22 Let's do it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:22 Yeah, let's do it, Joe. (laughs)

Narrator 4:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:24 No hesitation. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:24 Yeah, please. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:25 If you get Carl cloned-

Narrator 4:26 Let's do it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:27 ... I want, I want version two.

Joe Rogan 4:28 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:28 'Cause Carl is just amazing.

Narrator 4:29 That might be expensive clones.

Joe Rogan 4:31 Yeah, Carl's ... Yeah, they're very expensive, right? Isn't it like, it's like 25 grand I think.

Narrator 4:35 I don't know how much I would sell him for.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:36 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, good. Carl must be worth some money. Uh, but I think it's-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:40 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 4:40 ... it's a lot of money, but they can do it. But I mean, the whole Dolly the sheep thing, like when they ... That was the first animal that they cloned, I think there was a bunch of failed attempts. So, uh, you know, what is the odds that it comes out exactly like your dog? It might be all fucked up. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:55 It might be psychotic, it might have no soul.

Joe Rogan 4:57 You don't know. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 4:59 Yeah. Right?

Joe Rogan 4:59 It may look like your dog, but who knows what the hell is going on, like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:01 Right, but like be real creepy-

Joe Rogan 5:02 Yeah. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:02 ... like fucking chew on wires and fucking ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:05 (laughs) It's like the, the, the very dark, like, satanic version of your dog or something. Yeah, yeah-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:11 Like Pet Sematary.

Joe Rogan 5:11 ... exactly.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:11 Remember Pet Sematary?

Joe Rogan 5:12 Yeah, dude.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:13 Yeah, you bury the pet, like-

Joe Rogan 5:14 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:14 ... and the pet comes back, but now the p- it's still kind of your pet, but now it's evil.

Joe Rogan 5:18 (laughs) Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:18 (laughs) Oh, fuck. That, that ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:20 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:20 No, just thinking about that, it, i- it freaks me out. But that, I think that ... I don't know how I went down that spiral, but ...

Joe Rogan 5:26 Oh, you can go down some YouTube rabbit holes, man.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:28 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 5:29 I've gone down some serious YouTube rabbit holes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:32 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 5:33 I spent like four hours once researching this theory about, um, Neanderthals, that this guy ... The, the, there's one dude that thought that Neanderthals ... We have this idea of Neanderthals that they look just like us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 5:47 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:48 And he thinks no. He thinks they probably look more like gorillas, like, and they probably were covered in hair, and they were probably able to see at night, and they were probably super violent, and they might've hunted us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:00 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:00 So he had this whole theory about like these super predator chimpanzee-looking Neanderthals.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:07 That sounds interesting.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah, crazy, dude.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Crazy. But-... most likely not correct.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Most people, the- the- the real anthropologists who have studied this stuff are like, "No, no, no, no, we know some of them had red hair."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:20 But red hair could be like a orangutans have red hair.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:23 Yep.

Joe Rogan 6:24 You know, but they had giant eyeballs, you know, and they, they were just very different than us. But close enough that we're, we interbred with them.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:32 Yeah. I, I gotta see this. I mean, like, this type of stuff's super interesting.

Joe Rogan 6:36 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:36 Like, I, like, it's hard for me to get into, like, fantasy books and stuff like that. But, like, YouTube videos-

Joe Rogan 6:43 Oh, yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:43 ... on like, you know, like this Neanderthal, like, kind of theory or whatever. ..........................

Joe Rogan 6:47 I have spent so much time just going down rabbit holes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:51 Brain, brain ticklers. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:52 Yeah, I don't know if it's made me a better person. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 6:56 (laughs) 'Cause it fucks up your thought process, right? You're just, like, driving down the street and then-

Joe Rogan 7:00 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:00 ... having a random thought about ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:02 It'll make for good conversation. You know, I always have, like, things that I could pull up, "Did you know?" (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:06 You know, because there's always stuff in there.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:08 It's nice to have the friends that kind of are in the same little, like-

Joe Rogan 7:11 Right, right, right, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:12 ... (laughs) you know they're open to kind of some of the weird shit, so you can just-

Joe Rogan 7:14 Oh, yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:14 ... have fun conversations ............................

Joe Rogan 7:15 And I have friends who go too far, though. I called Eddie Bravo up and I was just going, "I gotta go."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:19 (laughs) He's like, "Dude."

Joe Rogan 7:20 I can't take ... He's so deep. He's so deep in the CIA, MKUltra, like, the deepest of the deep.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:27 He'll, he, he's in that shit all day long. And my friend, Kurt Metzger, he's the worst. If I call him up, like, he knows everything about every conspiracy that's ever happened and he knows all the people that were involved and he'll start rattling things off to you, like, oh my God, you're giving me anxiety.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:42 Yeah, yeah, probably freaks you out.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yes. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:43 I can only imagine. You're like, "Okay, stop." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:47 It's too much.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:48 Especially today. It's just, like, seems like the world could fucking explode at any minute.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 7:52 Oh, at any minute, dude. What the hell are we living in? This, it's, yeah, that's why I guess it's better to just kind of, yeah, you gotta put a stop to, like-

Joe Rogan 8:00 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:01 ... what we consume. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:02 I know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:02 You know, like, what information we wanna, like, let into our brains, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 8:07 I know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:07 ... Jesus.

Joe Rogan 8:07 It's, there's a, a, what was it? Avi Levenovitch? Is that the guy that was on the podcast I talked about? He has a great phrase. He, he, you know, we have processed food is bad for you.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:17 Ultra-processed food. This is processed information.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:20 And that's, that's the way he described it. I was like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:22 ... "Oh, yeah, it's like junk food for your brain." It's like b- you're eating snacks.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:27 Man.

Joe Rogan 8:27 Instead of, like, taking in a meal.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:29 Yeah, that's so crazy. Um, it reminds me, I don't know why, kind of off subject, but on. Um, you know the comedian Ronny Chieng?

Joe Rogan 8:36 Yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 8:37 So (laughs) he had a really, really funny, like, part in, in his most recent, like, stand-up bit. And he wa- he talks a lot about, like, you know, social media and just, like, the internet and this country, everything. But he said one thing, uh, he's like, something about, like, Americans, he's like, "It's very common, you know, Americans are like, 'I'll die for my country, I'll die.'" And he's like, "How about you read a book for your country?"

Joe Rogan 9:02 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:02 (laughs) He's like, "How about that?" You know. And th- the, it- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:07 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:07 It was- it was funny coming from him.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Right, he's funny, man. He's funny.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:10 And the tone. But, I mean, like, that's, I guess, what brought that up is like, yeah, process, processed information.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:17 Right? We have a lot of fast, you know, info, somebody can divvy up a video really quick and put it out there and it's the first-

Joe Rogan 9:24 Yep.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:24 ... thing we see, so we believe it, you know. Or like, something can go viral and we've seen it a bunch of times, and then onto the next thing, and we're getting this information. But, like, it's a lot different than, like, "Okay, let's, let me pick up a book or, like, a couple things, and actually read it and see if these things-"

Joe Rogan 9:40 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:40 ... you know, align and-

Joe Rogan 9:41 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:41 ... like, okay, now I can kind of formulate, like, okay, this is closer to the truth.

Joe Rogan 9:45 And then get an actual understanding, the history, how these things are figured out.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:48 How this is formulated, what led to that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:51 Instead of just the article, or worse yet, a YouTube or TikTok video.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:55 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Yeah, how many people are e- educated by TikTok today?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 9:58 Everybody.

Joe Rogan 9:59 That's a lot.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:00 (laughs) Everybody.

Joe Rogan 10:00 I, I really firmly believe that it's, like, shifting the way people think about things in a negative direction.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:06 I really, I used to poo-poo it. I used to think, "Ah, the algorithm," whatever. But now I'm like, "Oh, it's definitely, it's definitely fucking up the country." 100%. And I think China's doing it on purpose. I think it's brilliant.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:18 Yeah. I mean, I've heard that. I definitely don't have the, like, capacity to figure out (laughs) if it's tr- like, the truth or not, but I did hear that. That's kind of crazy.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Well, you know, their TikTok's very different than ours.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:31 That's what I heard.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:31 Like, it's like all, like, science-

Joe Rogan 10:33 Positive.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:33 ... and, like, positive stuff.

Joe Rogan 10:34 Yep.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:34 And, like, very informational.

Joe Rogan 10:36 Martial arts.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:36 Marital arts.

Joe Rogan 10:36 Yep. Science achievements, athletic performance.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:38 And ours is just, like-

Joe Rogan 10:39 Academics.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:40 ... ratchet. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:41 (laughs) The worst.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:42 Like, just the craziest stuff ever.

Joe Rogan 10:45 I have seen more people get shot on Instagram Reels, those little w- and f- accounts I don't even follow.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 10:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Right? So it's like Instagram knows that I'm watching fucked up things, so they're showing me, like, you know, failed carjacking attempts, all kinds of stuff.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 11:02 (laughs) Oh.

Joe Rogan 11:02 People getting run over by trucks. Like, every day, man.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 11:04 I tried to create, I, I created a TikTok, like shortly, 'cause my wife was using it and she, like, they have, like, shopping or something on there. So I was like, "Oh, let me just download it really quick." So I downloaded it, and like after the first day, it started feeding me these, like, uh, these, these pages that were, like, homeless people in, like, Arizona and, like, California that were just, like, hooked on, like, fentanyl. And I was like, "What the hell?" And they get deep into their stories, like, some guy's, like, interviewing them, like, "How long you been out here?" And I rem- I'm sitting here watching this and, like, 20 minutes goes by and I'm like, "Why am I depressed?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:37 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 11:37 You're like, "Why do I feel like the weight of the world is on my shoulders right now?" And I realize, like-

Joe Rogan 11:43 That's all of us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 11:43 ... holy shit, like, I'm just, I'm literally here in my living room watching-... like, drug addicts on the street just, like, completely waste their lives away and-

Joe Rogan 11:51 Meanwhile, you're living the life that they could only dream of. If you take a young guy before his life goes sideways and say, "What do you want to do with your-" w- it's like, if I could just wave a magic wand, w- I'd like to be a badass fighting in the UFC.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:07 All fucking jacked and young and strong, and a, one of the top contenders up and coming.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:13 And meanwhile, you're depressed.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:14 Looking at people that you don't even know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:16 It's crazy, dude. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 12:18 I think that's how they're doing it to us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:19 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 12:20 'Cause no matter where you are, there's something that you can watch that'll freak you out.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:24 That'll freak you out, bring you down.

Joe Rogan 12:25 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:26 Just, like, change your mindset, slow you down, whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 12:28 I was talking to Suga Sean about that. And he was saying that just scrolling through TikTok or Instagram, s- stuff that doesn't have anything to do with him, he goes, "I just get this, like, mild form of anxiety."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:39 This, like, mild case of ... I'm like, "I do too."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:42 "I do too. I don't know why." I mean, it's, I think part of it for me is I know I'm wasting time.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:47 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:47 I know I should be doing other things. I'm fucking busy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:50 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:51 I don't have time to be watching people get shot. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:54 But wh- but why am I watching it? I can't stop. I just keep fucking scrolling.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 12:58 Yeah. And-

Joe Rogan 12:58 Especially if you're taking a shit.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:00 Oh, that's the worst, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:01 I don't even know how to take a shit without my ... I'm like, fucking-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:03 I take, I take one hour shits now because of my fucking phone. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:07 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:07 Because of my phone. It's like, I can't just get in there and do the business, dude. I gotta intentionally leave my phone outside to just, to do what I'm there to do. But if I bring my phone in there, it's a wrap.

Joe Rogan 13:17 It's a wrap. Because if I don't have my phone in there, I'm like Ricky Bobby in Talladega Nights.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:20 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:20 I don't know what to do with my hands.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:23 I'm like, "Wh- where's my phone?" (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:24 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 13:25 What, what percentage of people take a shit with their phone now? I wanna know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:29 99.9. Guys-

Joe Rogan 13:30 A hundred, yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:30 Men, 100%.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah. 100%.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:32 It has to be 100%.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:33 Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:34 It's how I find out half the things that are going on in my life.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:36 You know one thing that bugs the shit out of me, though? If you're gonna take a shit in a public place, like, for instance, like, the PI, right? If I'm at the UFCPI, I just got done a workout, whatever, I gotta take a shit. The guy next to me, turn your fucking phone down.

Joe Rogan 13:50 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:50 Like, don't blast it. I don't want to hear what you're listening to.

Joe Rogan 13:52 That's ridiculous.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:52 I'm trying to l- watch my (laughs) , I'm trying to watch my shit here, you know? Like ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:57 (laughs) Yeah. Don't make me go in there with Bluetooth earbuds.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 13:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:59 Don't make me fucking listen to, uh, uh ... That's, that's when you know you're a degenerate, when you put your EarPods in when you're taking a shit.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:05 Like, that's when you got a real problem.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:06 Yeah. You've, you've, you've, you've, you're gone.

Joe Rogan 14:09 You've gone too far down the rabbit hole.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:11 You're gone. You're gone.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Have you fucked around with any of that AR stuff? Those goggles?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:14 Augmented reality.

Joe Rogan 14:15 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:15 Um, only, like, the, the Meta Quest. I haven't tried the Apple Vision Pros yet.

Joe Rogan 14:19 The Meta Quest is dope.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:19 'Cause I know as soon as I try the Vision Pro, it's over. I'm gonna be wearing those things like fucking ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:25 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:26 'Cause when the Meta Quest came out, like, when I first had it, like, you couldn't get me off the thing. I was, "Holy shit."

Joe Rogan 14:31 It's incredible.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 14:32 Like, looking around, playing these games, taking off, like, "Oh my ... Wow." Exhilarating. But yeah, no, if I, if I were to get the, um, the Apple Vision Pro, it'd be over. Because there's just so many cool things.

Joe Rogan 14:44 What did I see recently? There was something that they were using AI, this woman was talking to her deceased daughter. Her daughter, young daughter died and AI had recreated her daughter, and with, with these goggles on, these VR goggles. She was having a conversation with her daughter. And I was like, "Yo."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:03 I, like, vaguely remember seeing something like that.

Guest 15:05 This isn't brand new, but I think it's this.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Oh, yeah. This is it. This is so crazy.

Narrator 15:11 Oh, this is the stuff?

Guest 15:11 That's something different.

Joe Rogan 15:13 This is so crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:15 I mean-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:15 She's seeing her deceased daughter and trying to touch her. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 15:19 This is, like, what we were talking about, about the phone, right? Like, just putting ourselves through, like, this depression and stuff, like ... Dude, this is crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:26 This is cri- like, this ... She can't even touch her, so she's, like, reaching out like she wants to touch her.

Joe Rogan 15:30 Yeah, and she's crying. Look at the-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:31 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 15:31 'Cause she's just-

Guest 15:32 Well, with the gloves she has, she probably can feel some. This is what we're seeing-

Joe Rogan 15:34 Yeah, probably.

Guest 15:35 ... with, uh, how they're showing it to the viewer.

Joe Rogan 15:37 Oh.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:38 Oh my God. That's so horrible.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Oh, man. Look at that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:40 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 15:40 I mean, it probably sh- maybe a version of it that feels good to her, you know? But, like, this could be ...

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:46 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 15:48 This could be pretty bad.

Guest 15:49 God, that's so sad.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Oh my ... Yeah.

Guest 15:51 Man, we're s- we're so f- close to the matrix. We're so close.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:55 We're in the matrix, dude.

Guest 15:56 I think we might be.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 15:57 (sighs)

Guest 15:57 You know, Michael Ballas was saying it yesterday. He thinks, it, he thinks it is a simulation. Elon said the chances of it not being a simulation are one in billions. Yeah, he thinks it's 100% a simulation.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:10 (sighs) I ... There's too many things that, that ... There's too many coincidences, right? Like, even ... (sighs) I might sound like an idiot for saying something like this.

Joe Rogan 16:22 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:22 But, like-

Joe Rogan 16:22 On this podcast, it's a normal thing, bro.

Guest 16:24 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:24 I mean, think about, like, stuff like The Simpsons, dude.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:27 Like, you see those, like, Simpsons theories and shit. It's like, come on. Like, this is too accurate.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Yeah, they c- they called everything.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:33 Like, this is years ago, you know? Like, these episodes came out years ago. How is-

Joe Rogan 16:37 Yep.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:37 How are things like this aligning? Or, like, how are these, you know, matching? It just, it's weird.

Joe Rogan 16:42 It is really weird.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 16:43 It's really weird. It's really weird.

Joe Rogan 16:44 It's weird and (sighs) why is, why is us being in a simulation any stranger than reality itself? Just the universe itself. Just the fact that we are one planet of nine in this one solar system that is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems in this galaxy, and that this galaxy is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the uni- ... The whole thing is so crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:11 The idea that we're in some sort of a program, why is that more crazy? Like, everything about us is crazy. Subatomic particles are crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:20 Like, uh, uh, even the way our body is designed is crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:22 The fact that you can make a Carl out of a wolf-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:25 ... is fucking crazy. All of it's crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:27 Yeah. I mean, even listening to you right now, as I was, as you were kind of breaking down how pretty much insignificant we are, I just kind of, like, everything started zeroing in. I was like, "Oh, no. Get, get out, get out, get out of this thought." (laughs) No, but you're, you're absolutely right.

Joe Rogan 17:43 I think we are, we are significant and insignificant at the same time.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:47 I, I don't think we're invaluable. I don't buy the thing, like, the, the, like, the, the people that are, like, really dark about it all and like, "Oh, life is meaningless." It's like, no, I don't think that's true.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 17:57 No.... they, I, I don't think that's meaningless at all.

Joe Rogan 17:59 No.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:00 You know? Like the, like you said, there's an equal, like, significance, insignificance. Like, when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, you zoom out, we're tiny. You can't even see us, you know, if you're from an airplane. You look down, you can't even see the humans, right?

Joe Rogan 18:14 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:14 So, that makes us feel a little bit small. But, like, I don't know. Something about us inside, how we feel, how we perceive things, the power that we have in numbers, right? Like, the intelligence that we have to create things like AI and-

Joe Rogan 18:26 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:26 ... laser beams and all this stuff.

Joe Rogan 18:28 Like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:29 I mean, that's pretty damn significant, in my opinion.

Joe Rogan 18:32 We, we're ... We're very significant. We just, we're just a part of the whole thing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:36 The whole thing is just infinitely massive and we think of ourselves as small because we're just one piece of it. But we're, like, I think we're a critical piece of it. And I think what we are is, like, the purveyors of creativity. And I think creativity is, like, a thing that's in the universe that forces intelligent animals-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:54 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:54 ... to make things.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 18:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:55 And I think we're like an antenna of this creativity and then we put it out there. And then eventually, we're going to leave this planet and we're gonna go to other planets and, and colonize, and put that stuff out there in the world, and probably not even in the form that we, you and I are in right now.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:10 It'll probably be some hybrid form.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:12 Some hybrid form, for sure.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Some cyborg form.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:14 There was an episode. I forgot the gentleman's name. Um, ah, man. Super, super intelligent guy, uh, older guy, and he was talking about the different forms of, like-

Joe Rogan 19:29 Civilizations?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:30 ... civilizations.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Michio Kaku.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:31 Yes, man.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Yes, yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:32 How interesting was that?

Joe Rogan 19:33 Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:34 You know, like-

Joe Rogan 19:35 Do you know about Dyson spheres?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:36 No.

Joe Rogan 19:37 So, they believe ... Excuse me. This is just a theory, but they believe that when a civilization reaches an incredible level of technological s- proficiency, they're going to be able to develop these enormous structures that capture all the energy of a star.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 19:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 19:57 So, literally surround the star with this structure. And they think they might have detected these structures in the universe now. Now, these structures are just theoretical.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 20:08 Okay.

Joe Rogan 20:08 These Dyson spheres. But they believe through ... Th- there's a thing called the James Webb telescope.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 20:14 Yep.

Joe Rogan 20:14 It's like the most power- ... You know about that?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 20:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:16 So, this most powerful of space telescopes is now b- they're, they're getting information that they think might indicate that these things could be a Dyson sphere. See if you can find anything about that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 20:27 Huh.

Joe Rogan 20:29 So, what is this? So, right here in our galaxy, what is that? Just a tic-tac? See if there's an article. 60 Dyson sphere candidates. Look at that. Go up to the one that says candidates. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 20:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 20:46 So, this is from May. So, they, they found these things amongst s- star- ... There's, there's these ... I don't know how they detect why they think this is a Dyson sphere, but if ... It just makes sense that if civilization can go from being hunter-gatherers to being people that fly in airplanes and look at VR and enter into the matrix like we're clearly doing-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:09 ... that if you just keep that going 1,000 years, a million years, you're gonna get to some insane level of technological ability.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:17 You have to.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:18 Like, you, you absolutely have to.

Joe Rogan 21:20 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:20 So, maybe we are just, like, kind of in the beginning stages of, like, you know? Maybe there's humans elsewhere in this-

Joe Rogan 21:27 Yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:27 ... galaxy's far, far, far away.

Joe Rogan 21:29 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:29 Like some Star Wars type shit, right? (laughs) And we just haven't gotten there yet, but we're close. I mean, we're, we're seeing how close we're getting with everything, with technology.

Joe Rogan 21:38 That's what Terrence Ha- Terrence Howard had a crazy theory about it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:40 I have to watch that one. I've, I've seen little clips, but I've gotta-

Joe Rogan 21:43 They're both good.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 21:44 The first one's great 'cause he just kinda goes kooky, and then the second one's great because Eric Weinstein, who's like a legitimate genius from Harvard-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:51 ... sort of settles him down and explains what's incorrect and what, what is correct.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 21:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 21:55 And some of the stuff is very correct, and some of the stuff is really fascinating. I mean, he's, Terrence is clearly a genius.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:01 But he's, like, self-taught.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:02 And sometimes when you don't have peers correcting you and people-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:06 You gotta have that.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Yeah. You have to have a, actual ex-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:08 It's like if a martial artist, like, "I got this move, bro."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:11 And you're like, "Try that shit on me." (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:15 You know? Right? It's the guy that-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:17 It works in the streets, it works on everybody.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:18 It's like, no, try it on me. Like, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:20 But Terrence has this brilliant idea about that what happens is you have a star and then the particles that eject from the star are what creates these planets. And when the planets get to a certain distance from the star, when they develop that Goldilocks zone, he goes, they eventually develop people. And he thinks it's, like, peopling. It's like when you see, like, crops growing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:43 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Oh, it's that time of the year. The rain and the soil.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Crops are growing. And then, well, oh, they're far away from the sun. They're peopling.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 22:50 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:50 They're making people. And that this is what happens, and that as this, as time passes in this society, if it, if it survives, doesn't kill itself, gets further and further from the sun, it has to develop the technological ability to keep the planet hospitable. And then it goes even past that to the point where they develop these things like Dyson spheres and they develop the ability to manipulate their environment, create black holes. They develop the ability, essentially, to create new universes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 23:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Just ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years or whatever it takes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 23:22 So, he explained this, and then someone, you said, stepped in and kind of, like-

Joe Rogan 23:26 No, that ... No, he did, that he didn't correct.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 23:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:29 'Cause that's just a theory, and it's a fascinating theory. And, you know, Terrence has a lot of, like, really interesting ideas, but that was one of the most interesting ones. At that, like, every solar system, the reason why we see it here and the reason why when they look at the, like, the Webb telescope has found a bunch of these planets that are in the Goldilocks zone.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 23:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:45 And he thinks that this is just a normal occurrence.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 23:48 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:48 That these planets, they... As time goes on, our planet is getting further from the sun. And, uh, and eventually the sun will burn out. But as time goes on, as our planet gets further and further from the sun, it's not gonna be hospitable anymore. It's gonna get to a point where it's like Mars.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:02 And Mars at one point in time was hospitable. Mars, w- they think Mars had water on it. Mars might have even had life on it. We don't know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:09 But it could be billions and billions of years ago.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:12 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:13 Yeah. So this theory's pretty wild that like all this stuff is just basically particles that eject from the sun-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:19 ... and then eventually coalesce and form a sphere and form a planet, and initially these planets are like very close to the sun, and they're, you know, insanely hot.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:29 But as they f- get further and further out, they reach that Goldilocks zone-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:32 Cooling down, and they're percolating.

Joe Rogan 24:33 ... and that's when they start developing life. And then ultimately develop a very highly intelligent form of life.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:39 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:40 Do we know where this theory like came from?

Joe Rogan 24:43 I think that's Terrence's theory.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 24:45 Ah.

Joe Rogan 24:45 He, Terrence has 97 patents. What does that mean? I don't know. Because apparently people that have explained it to me say you can actually just file patents, and the people that are working in the office, they're not sophisticated to know, enough to know, especially in various disciplines, as to whether or not what you're saying is, is real or actionable, as like, is this something that you could really have a patent for. But they'll let you file for the patent.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:09 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:09 So it's one of those things. (clears throat) Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:12 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:12 But the idea that every solar system eventually has a planet that gets to that spot where it's just enough so it gets water, just enough so it has like all of the things that's necessary for life, and then if you wanna get really crazy-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:29 (laughs) He's, then you think that the plan- the planets that are farther and further out, that have the super intelligent, ultra advanced species-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:37 ... what they do is they come back and they help us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:40 Ah.

Joe Rogan 25:40 They come back and they fucking, "Pick up the pace, boys."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:44 You know? (laughs) You know what I mean?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:45 Like, they give us a little crashed UFO here and there. They give us a little this, give us a little that. Maybe even manipulate us. That's the ultimate theory, is that they've-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:54 The ultimate theory.

Joe Rogan 25:55 ... they manipulated us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:55 I mean, that sounds kinda cool, right?

Joe Rogan 25:57 Well, it's almost like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 25:58 Just like Carl, just like Carl-

Joe Rogan 26:00 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:00 ... who looks very different than a fucking wolf.

Joe Rogan 26:03 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:03 Right?

Joe Rogan 26:03 We look very different from all the people on the planet.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:06 Like there's so many varieties of humans.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 26:09 We're very similar to dogs in that regard, in that we can all breed with each other, but yet we look very different.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:15 Ah, okay.

Joe Rogan 26:15 So you could take like a, a golden retriever and they breed with a poodle or a Labrador, you make a Labradoodle.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 You know, but they're still dogs.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Right? But they look very, very different.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:23 Very different.

Joe Rogan 26:23 But that's only dogs that are like that. Right? Like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:26 ... fish, bass all look like bass.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Zebras look like zebras. There's something about us that's fucking real weird, and you can attribute it to climate and different environments we grow in, and some of those d- d- changes have to have taken place from that too.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:40 For sure. But if you buy into all this Annunaki crazy shit-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:46 ... the reason why we are so different than all the other primates is because they introduced their DNA-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:52 To us.

Joe Rogan 26:53 ... yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:54 To like the hu- like t-

Joe Rogan 26:54 And created us.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:55 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 26:56 And created us. Out of lower hominids. Right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 26:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Which is so fun. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:01 It's super cool, yeah. I mean, like I've loo-

Joe Rogan 27:03 It's so fun to think if, if it's true.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:05 I've looked at some of that stuff a little bit before, but I didn't allow myself to get too deep. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:10 Yeah, you can get deep on that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:11 Um, but yeah, definitely an interesting, like perspective and like way to like kinda break down humanity in a way.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Well, we are a mystery, you know. We are the ones who've created this theory of evolution and the fossil record and all those things, but the thing that created it is the biggest mystery, the human brain. The human brain doubled in size over a period of two million years, and apparently it's the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record. They have no idea what happened.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:39 What? Do they, do, um, is it still growing? Or...

Joe Rogan 27:42 Probably. Probably, how-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:44 How about it's just growing slow?

Joe Rogan 27:45 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:45 (laughs) You know, and I was like-

Joe Rogan 27:46 Another two million years from now, it might double again.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:48 Yeah, I wonder if there's any record of like, I don't know, maybe just the slightest, you know, record of like, okay, it's growing, it's-

Joe Rogan 27:54 Right, no wonder.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:55 ... you know, for, 500 years ago-

Joe Rogan 27:57 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 27:57 ... now, has there been any-

Joe Rogan 27:59 Right, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:00 ... increase in size?

Joe Rogan 28:01 Yeah, if you get like the average brain size of everybody today. Like how far back do we have really good records of brain size, you know?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:10 Gotta go back to like the Kennedy assassination. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:13 (laughs) Probably nothing, nothing earlier than that. Nothing earlier than that.

Joe Rogan 28:16 I mean, I'm sure there's an, eh, anatomy records that go further than that. Uh, probably, you know, m- maybe the '30s or the '40s? Like when did they start studying the size and weights of human brains? I wonder. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:31 I wouldn't know. But no, it makes, actually, I'm made, I'm making notes right now.

Joe Rogan 28:35 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:35 Like Terrence Howard, like I, I, I gotta look into this guy more. All I know is just like-

Joe Rogan 28:40 Oh, Terrence is fascinating.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:40 ... you know, his acting, uh-

Joe Rogan 28:42 He, he, well, he's a great actor.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 28:44 Yeah, super great.

Joe Rogan 28:44 He's a great actor but, I mean, I think he's even more interesting as a thinker. But he, the way he responded I think showed a lot of character, the way he responded to Eric Weinstein, correcting him on stuff, 'cause he didn't... You know, he kinda tried to argue his point, but he didn't get upset, he didn't get emotional about it, he didn't get attached to his ideas. It was, it was, it whi- it showed. He's a brilliant guy that doesn't have all of the information, but he's brilliant. But there's a giant difference between being a brilliant person and being a person that has information. There's a lot of brilliant people that don't have any information.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 29:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 You know? Which is why like there's, there's people like... I, I, I firmly believe that to be great at athletics, it takes a kind of intelligence.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 29:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:26 And you're not measuring it in an IQ, but to pretend that someone is like a Wayne Gretzky, that he's not some kind of a genius, you know, or a Federer or, or an elite MMA fighter.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 29:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:37 You have to be a kind of a genius.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Because you're navigating this most difficult of world with microsecond decisions get made, training, instinct, discipline, the will to carve out this existence, and all those things, it ha- you have to have a fucking truly, truly exceptional mind to be able to do those things.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 29:57 I, I agree 100%. From-

Joe Rogan 29:59 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:00 ... yeah, any- anybody that's doing things at just like a, a really high level or like-

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:05 ... they're doing things differently or they're like the number one, two, and three in their-

Joe Rogan 30:08 In anything.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:09 ... in th- in anything, yeah. There's definitely a level of-

Joe Rogan 30:11 And if you're focusing at physics-... well, everybody thinks you're a genius. But if you're focusing on hockey, people don't think you're a genius.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Or if you're focusing on chess, maybe people think you're a genius, but if you're focusing on jujitsu, maybe they don't think you're a genius.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:23 And it's kind of interesting.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:25 But I think they're all geniuses.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:26 I think that-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:26 For sure.

Joe Rogan 30:27 ... I think every one of those people, if they had the physical capability, 'cause o- obviously some people unfortunately have terrible genetics and they're just never gonna be an elite athlete.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:36 But if you have the physical ability, that's only like a little tiny piece of it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:41 The real piece is the mental part of navigating not just the training, but the improving, and, and then the ability to execute under pressure.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:50 To execute under pressure.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:51 You gotta, you gotta have the, the mental side to even drive the physical side, right?

Joe Rogan 30:57 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 30:57 You can be a physical specimen. I ... How I'm built, right? Like, but I know n- nothing about football, so it's not like I can just ... I have t- Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 31:04 I'd have to, you know, I'd have to develop some type of brilliance or some type of ...

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:07 You'd have to train. I'd have to train-

Joe Rogan 31:09 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:09 ... I'd have to think-

Joe Rogan 31:11 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:11 ... I'd have to do all these things to-

Joe Rogan 31:11 Like, you look like you could play football.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:13 Tha- that's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 31:14 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:14 I look like I can play football, but my mind's not wired that way.

Joe Rogan 31:17 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:17 Right? So I'd have to do a lot to, to make that happen.

Joe Rogan 31:20 And then obviously there's a lot of football players that look like a beast, but if you get them in a cage, they have no idea what to do.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:26 Nothing, dude. They wouldn't (laughs) be able to throw a punch, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:29 We've seen it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:30 It's so crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:30 We've seen it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:31 Yes, we have.

Joe Rogan 31:31 We've seen guys that like, you know, they're, they're badasses, but there's a difference between being a badass versus a trained fighter.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:37 S- it's just a whole different world.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:39 And it, it requires not just physical work. It, it requires a kind of brilliance, and just because Terrence doesn't have that information, he's a brilliant guy. If he had that information, he'd be even more brilliant. He'd be more relatable to all these other brilliant people.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 31:55 Hmm. That's like, that's really interesting, man. I, I'm, I, I wanna look into t- Terrence Howard more actually. Like, this is ...

Joe Rogan 32:02 It's fun.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:02 Yeah. I, I like this.

Joe Rogan 32:04 It's fun.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:04 I like to ... I want to explore like the side that you're explaining to me, I would've never really known, but I'd like to be inspired by that. I'd like to, you know, just hear this guy out, and ...

Joe Rogan 32:15 Well, I had a reporter tell me about him years ago, and then I watched some YouTube videos of him. In one of them, he was at Oxford talking to them about mathematics.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:22 See, like, that's so cool. What the hell?

Joe Rogan 32:24 Yeah, what the hell? (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:26 Crazy. The whole thing was crazy. But it's just ... There's, you know ... We should be inspired. There's a lot of interesting people out there in this world.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:34 And a lot of people that have some really great ways of looking at things, and, and inspiring stories. You know, when you think about like what they've done and how they've done it, it's ... It, it really fuels us all.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:46 It's r- tor- one of the reasons why we like sports when we're not even participating in it is 'cause it's so inspirational.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:53 You know, if you watch a great fight and someone wins, you're like, "Oh my God, that was incredible." You leave, you're like energized.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 32:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or magic shows. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:01 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:02 Comedy shows.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Yeah, anything.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:03 I mean, honestly, dude. Honestly.

Joe Rogan 33:04 Pretty much anything. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:05 Yeah, yeah. Anything that r- yeah, requires that stuff.

Joe Rogan 33:07 Yeah, you get, you get energy from it. You really do. There's, there's a type of energy that we humans get from each other, and I think that kind of energy that we get from each other doing things, that also ... It's beneficial to us like evolutionarily, 'cause I think it promotes more work.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:24 Hm.

Joe Rogan 33:24 It promotes things getting done. It actually fuels things getting done.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:28 So like similar to like the Olym- are you watching the Olympics right now at all?

Joe Rogan 33:31 Bro, I watched that fucking transgender woman boxer f- b- box the female boxer. I'm like, "What the-"

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:37 I didn't see that.

Joe Rogan 33:37 "... fuck are you people doing?"

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:38 What? Uh, honestly-

Joe Rogan 33:40 Oh, dude.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:40 ... I haven't, I haven't seen much. Every bar or whatever, a- a- anything that has a television right now ... I've been traveling, so I see like Olympics is on everywhere.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:48 Right? But one thing that I'd a- that I've noticed, it's like it's so weird. It seems like The Hunger Games. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:55 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:55 You know? Like, I would see all these like crazy outfits and just like-

Joe Rogan 33:58 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 33:58 ... oh, you know, this like extravagant thing. I'm like, "This is the Olympics now?" Like, why is this ... It's so-

Joe Rogan 34:03 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 34:03 ... different now than it, than what I remember it being.

Joe Rogan 34:05 Well, the Olympics is a giant scam. There's two things going on simultaneously, okay? You have the best athletes in the world participating in their disciplines. That's, that's happening. And then on top of that, you have enormous amounts of money being made and none of it's going to the athletes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 34:24 Oh.

Joe Rogan 34:24 It is a giant scam. So the kind of people that are putting together that ridiculous opening ceremony where you got a bunch of drag queens and The Last Supper and all that wild shit.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 34:33 Yeah. Well, I didn't understand that.

Joe Rogan 34:35 Nobody understands it-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 34:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 ... because it's not made by athletes. It's not made by the Olympics. It's made by the people that are in charge of putting the Olympics out, so they're the ones who are reaping all the money and sucking all the cash outta these athletes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 34:51 Got it.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Not only do they do that, but then they'll go to places like Brazil, and so if it's gonna be in Brazil, they build this fucking enormous place for it to, to participate in, all the different or- arenas where different people do their things.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:04 Yeah, roads. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:04 And then after that, nothing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:06 It's ... Yeah. Gone.

Joe Rogan 35:06 So, and then all the people there who are poor are like, "Hey, where the fuck did this money come from? And why didn't you just spend it on this ... th- the community?"

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:14 "Why did you do this?"

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:15 "Why'd you do this for volleyball?" Like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:18 Oh.

Joe Rogan 35:18 ... is volleyball that fucking important that you didn't, f- like use that money to like help people?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:23 Yeah, that, that's-

Joe Rogan 35:24 Bizarre.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:25 That sucks.

Joe Rogan 35:26 The money they make is astronomical. The Olympics makes billions and billions of money in television revenue and advertising revenue, and they don't give any of it to the athletes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:36 So it just goes to like the Olympic Committee?

Joe Rogan 35:39 It goes to them. They're just balling.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Yeah. And these are the crazy people that are putting on The Last Supper with transsexuals. That's, that's what they're doing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:46 (laughs) Was it The Last Supper?

Joe Rogan 35:47 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:47 I thought it was something about like s-

Joe Rogan 35:48 Fuck, it was.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:49 It said something-

Joe Rogan 35:50 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 35:50 ... like the ... some Greek, uh-

Joe Rogan 35:51 Nonsense. That was a ... They tried to say that after the fact. The lady who was playing Jesus literally said she was Olympic Jesus. She was joking around about being Olympic Jesus, 'cause she was in the same position Jesus was in in The Last Supper.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:05 She had the halo behind her head. It was ... They're being artsy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:09 They're being fun. You know, but it's not ... It's not the place for it. It's, it's f-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 36:14 It's pushing this weird agenda in this place where people are already getting fucked over. Right? The whole Olympics is just people getting fucked over.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:23 Yeah. I mean, if you're the best athletes in the world representing your country-

Joe Rogan 36:27 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:28 ... at the highest level-

Joe Rogan 36:29 The highest level.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:29 ... that possibly humanly possible-For one, yeah, you should be getting compensated.

Joe Rogan 36:35 A shitload of money.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:37 (laughs) You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 36:37 A shitload of money.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:38 You should be getting compensated.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:40 Um, and yeah, I think that there should be something that's more focused on the extravagance of, like, this moment, of like the-

Joe Rogan 36:48 Yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:48 ... the athletes waiting-

Joe Rogan 36:50 Yes.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:50 ... so long to be able to do this, and yeah, it should be more athlete-focused, for sure.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Yeah, they just-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 36:56 And not so much like a show or like this, like, entertainment-

Joe Rogan 36:57 They let some wacky gay dude get ahold of the fucking, the reins, and he decided to do this, and that's what it was.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:04 That's literally what it is. That's literally what it is.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:07 And he just decided to have a-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:08 Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 37:09 ... a guy in a beard for... But this is true. I mean, this is the actual person that put it together. That's, that is who he is.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:14 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 37:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:16 I don't, I didn't even know that.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Oh yeah, they know who the guy is, and we don't need to name him, but-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:20 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:20 ... he's getting enough hate as it is. But the whole thing's-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:23 Wow.

Joe Rogan 37:23 ... fucking completely insane, but my point is the whole Olympics are insane. They're robbing people. They're robbing the athletes. No one is tuning in. There's not billions of people all over the world tuning in just to see a bunch of transsexuals pretend to be Jesus and the, and the disciples. That's not why they're tuning in. They're tuning in to see who's gonna win the 100-meter dash.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 37:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Who's gonna win this? Who's gonna win that? Who's gonna win the sprints? Who's gonna win whatever the fucking event is? Who's gonna win boxing? That's what people are tuning in, and those people that are, have dedicated their entire lives to wrestle in the Olympic Games, they're not getting a fucking scratch of that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:01 That's so crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:02 It's nuts.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:03 Oh man, so...

Joe Rogan 38:06 It's nuts.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:07 And there's nothing, there's nothing to do about, like, nobody can do anything about that?

Joe Rogan 38:11 It's just pure chao- well, at one point in time, there was probably no money in the Olympics because there was no television, right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 So at one point in time, the Olympics was just about the best athletes in the world competing against the other athletes, best athletes in the world. It was for national pride, you know, you bring a gold medal, you have a fucking parade when you get back home. It was great.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:29 And that was probably very, I don't know what the original, like, the one where Hitler was in the 1936 Olympics and he's fucking jacked up on meth and he's rocking back and forth.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:39 What?

Joe Rogan 38:39 You seen that one?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:40 No, dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:41 You never saw that?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:41 (laughs) No, you're putting me on so much game right now.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Oh, I'm putting you on this, bro.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:44 (laughs) You're putting me on so much.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Yo, I got a guy coming on tomorrow to actually talk about drugs in the Nazis, like all the, the crazy drugs that they were doing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:52 They had to be on drugs-

Joe Rogan 38:53 All kinds of stuff.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:53 ... for sure.

Joe Rogan 38:54 All kinds of cocaine-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:54 They were getting free drugs.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Meth.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:56 Yeah, they were doing-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 38:57 They were getting free drugs.

Joe Rogan 38:57 And there was no Just Say No back then. Everybody's like, "What does this do? Keeps me up for days? Let's go."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:01 Fucking-

Joe Rogan 39:01 Fucking bang.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:03 Bang. (imitates drum roll)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:04 So Hitler at the Munich Olympics is like, he's on meth and he's rocking back and forth. He's just amphetimined out of his fucking mind, just coked up, just rocking back and forth while everybody's watching the Olympics.

Joe Rogan 39:17 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:17 Show it to him, Jamie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:18 Yeah, we need to see this.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:23 We've played this like, look at him.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:24 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Look at him. Look at him rocking, dude. Look at him going. He's going.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:28 Oh, what a maniac.

Joe Rogan 39:30 He's fucking going.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:31 What a maniac.

Joe Rogan 39:31 That dude ruined, he ruined that mustache forever.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:35 You know, just rocking back and forth.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 39:37 But back then, how many sports were in, was that '36, 1936 or '38?

Guest 39:43 '36.

Joe Rogan 39:44 '36. How many sports were in the 1936 Munich Olympics? 'Cause now there's so many. Swing, swimming-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:50 There's everything.

Joe Rogan 39:51 ... and rhythmic gymnastics.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 39:53 Some type of shooting.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yeah, there's decathlons, but-

Guest 39:56 I always thought, I don't know when it started, but there's only a certain number of events, so if they like put a new one in, they got to take something out.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Oh, really?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 40:03 Oh.

Guest 40:03 That's why they lost wrestling a few years ago and everybody got mad 'cause they added like skateboarding or surfing or something like that.

Joe Rogan 40:10 Is that, uh, always been the case?

Guest 40:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:12 From the beginning?

Guest 40:13 I mean, up until, I mean not, there was only like 10 games to start with. I'm trying to see-

Joe Rogan 40:16 How many events were in the 1936 Olympics though?

Guest 40:19 I'm just kind of looking.

Joe Rogan 40:21 'Cause I know they, they may have, might have put a cap on them in the future. I don't know if they had a cap on it back then. But my point is back then, like, uh, like in the Jesse Owens days, you know, when Muhammad Ali won the gold medal, like those guys weren't doing that for money. For Ali, it was like a way that he could transfer into professional boxing and, you know, like with Meldrick Taylor and Pernell Whitaker, those guys got fast tracked.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 40:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:46 Martin Breeland, all the, Evander Holyfield, all those guys who medaled.

Guest 40:48 Here's the venues for the events they had. So they had a lot going on.

Joe Rogan 40:52 So they have a lot of stuff, but not as much as they have now.

Guest 40:56 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 40:57 I wonder.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 40:57 It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 40:58 See if you can find how many more events are there in 2024 than there were in 1936. We'll see if they say that. But the point is like everybody who did the Olympics before television, they just did it for national pride, just like winning the nationals in wrestling.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 41:16 Yeah, yeah.

Guest 41:16 Of course.

Joe Rogan 41:16 You do it just to, for the glory of it.

Guest 41:19 So there's 32 sports.

Joe Rogan 41:21 329 events-

Guest 41:22 329 events.

Joe Rogan 41:22 ... and 32 sports, including 28 core Olympic sports contested in 2016 to 2020, and then what did it used to be in like 1936? 929 events.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 41:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 41:38 25 disciplines. Hmm. So it's slightly less.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 41:43 Gotta love an AI overview, right? Just-

Joe Rogan 41:45 Nuts. Nuts.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 41:45 (laughs) Just quick.

Joe Rogan 41:46 Instantly give you all the things.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 41:49 All the things.

Joe Rogan 41:49 The Olympics were often considered controversial because they were held to showcase the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler's theories of Aryan supremacy. All jacked up on coke. Fucking we're the best.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 41:59 Yeah. Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 42:00 We're the fucking best. (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:00 What a fucking maniac.

Joe Rogan 42:03 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Nuts. So back, my point is, so back then, there was no television revenue. There was no, no one was making billions and billions and billions of dollars.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:14 So the Olympics started with, you know, a very pure intention.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:19 The pure intention of just, you know, winning, being the best.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:23 Be the best for your country.

Joe Rogan 42:24 But somewhere along the line, it became this fucking enormous business and the athletes never got cut in.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:32 And no one's ever spoken up about it, have they?

Joe Rogan 42:34 What do they, what can they do? They don't have any power.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:35 Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 42:35 No one has any power.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:36 Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean-

Joe Rogan 42:37 The- the TV networks don't wanna change it. They're like, "Shut the fuck up."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Everybody's like, "Shut the fuck up."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:42 This is getting us views.

Joe Rogan 42:42 'Cause they're just stealing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:43 They're just stealing money. Imagine if that was the case with the NBA or the NFL or UFC. Imagine if the athletes got zero money and everybody else is driving around in Rolls-Royces and living in mansions.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:55 Yeah. Oh, be... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:55 It would be crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:55 That'd be super crazy.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Yeah, you guys are fighting for glory. You're not fighting for-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 42:59 Only glory.

Joe Rogan 43:00 This is not about money.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:00 You represent your country, your state.

Joe Rogan 43:01 We've done studies and it shows that when people fight for money, they don't fight that hard.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:05 So, what?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:07 That's the Olympics. They're boxing for $0. They're punching each other in the face as hard as they can for $0.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:13 For glory. For glory.

Joe Rogan 43:15 And this woman today got punched in the face by a man.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:18 Damn.

Joe Rogan 43:18 Yeah. They let a transgender... There's apparently two, at least two transgender boxers that are fighting in women's boxing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:27 Wh- (sighs) I don't-

Joe Rogan 43:27 What the fuck?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:29 I don't understand. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:31 You can't understand 'cause you're not retarded.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:34 It has, it has to be something wrong with you to understand, to think that that makes sense, that all you have to do is say you're a woman. No, but you're not though. I say I'm a werewolf, but when the moon comes out, I stay a person.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:43 Yeah, I mean, like I wanna-

Joe Rogan 43:44 Okay? This is not real.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:45 (sighs) I wanna understand the, the (sighs) the, like, w- from their part and their reasoning, like-

Joe Rogan 43:50 'Cause you're a nice guy. You wanna think that there's some part of this, like there's probably some sort of a reason. Oh, if they explain it to me, like, oh, I see your perspective.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 43:59 Yeah, I wanna see the perspective. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:01 Yeah. There's no perspective. It doesn't exist.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 44:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:03 It doesn't exist. The- the, 'cause that perspective would gray the line to like, well, why not just let all men compete in women's sports? Well, men would dominate and that's why you have Title IX. There's a reason why men and women's sports are separated.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 44:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:14 Because it's not fair.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 44:15 Yeah, it's not fair.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Right? There's a reason why the UFC has weight classes. You're not fighting Brandon Moreno.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 44:19 Yeah, true.

Joe Rogan 44:19 'Cause it's not fair.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 44:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Right? There's all these things that are put in place to make things as fair as possible. Weight classes, g- gender distinction.

Narrator 44:27 This article says they're not transgender.

Joe Rogan 44:30 What are you talking about?

Narrator 44:30 That's what this says.

Joe Rogan 44:31 They may be intersex?

Narrator 44:34 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Wait a minute, is this today?

Narrator 44:35 This is about them, yeah. July 30th.

Joe Rogan 44:38 July 30th.

Narrator 44:39 Is today.

Joe Rogan 44:40 The- but there is an athlete that they were saying was a male athlete that was compete... Riley Gaines posted it on her Instagram.

Narrator 44:48 It says they failed tests that came back, uh, testosterone tests, elevated testosterone.

Joe Rogan 44:54 (smacks lips) What does that mean? So they took testosterone? Is it exogenous tes- why are they calling this person transgender? Are they ma- female to male? Like they're trying to transition to male? Is that what they're saying?

Narrator 45:05 I don't know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 45:06 What? Okay, this too-

Joe Rogan 45:08 What article is this?

Narrator 45:09 From OutSports.

Joe Rogan 45:10 OutSports. What is OutSports?

Narrator 45:12 Why, may I go to somewhere else for a second?

Joe Rogan 45:13 But hold on, what is OutSports? What is that? What is the-

Narrator 45:16 Probably LGBT people.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Yeah, it's LGBTQ. Yeah, it is, so this might be biased. Google transgender boxer-

Narrator 45:23 I did. I Googled transgender boxer. That's why, that's exactly where I started it.

Joe Rogan 45:23 And what does it say?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 45:24 Olympic trans boxers.

Narrator 45:27 It said there were previous events from women's events-

Joe Rogan 45:28 They will fight in Paris.

Narrator 45:29 ... but it says they're eligible to compete.

Joe Rogan 45:30 Yeah, but here it said, this is the person. Algeria's Inan Khel... I don't know how to say that. And Taiwan's Ling Yu-Teng were disqualified from last... God, these pop-ups. Qualifi- disqualified from last year's Women's World Boxing Championships after failing gender eligibility tests. Okay? That means they're transgender, Jamie. That OutSports is a biased website. It's unfortunately, they're... It's kind of propaganda about this kind of stuff.

Narrator 45:59 Man, I don't... All right.

Joe Rogan 46:01 Scroll it up. Scroll it up again. So it says, yeah, the person has the XY chromosome. The boxer's chromosome test came back as XY, so that's a male.

Narrator 46:12 It says it's alleged.

Joe Rogan 46:13 Mm-hmm. Well, "At the time of the disqualifications, based on DNA tests, we identified a number of athletes who tried to trick their colleges into posing as women." The association's president, Umral- Umar Kremlev told Russia's TASS news agency at the time, "According to the results of the test, it was proved that they have XY chromosomes. Such athletes were excluded from competition." So I don't think OutSports is being honest-

Narrator 46:39 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:39 ... about this particular thing because there's outrage all over the place about this one particular person that they're talking there that did test for an XY chromosome. That's a man. I know it sounds horrible to misgender someone and all that good stuff. All that's great until you wanna fight women or even compete against women.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 46:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:57 Let's just cut the shit.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 46:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Let's cut the shit.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 46:59 Like, th- when it comes to competition, I guess, th- yeah, there's a level of, like, it's just unfair or it can be, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:06 Also, we're denying sandbagging, right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 47:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:09 We both know what sandbagging is.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 47:11 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Sandbagging has always happened. Th- the, you would get it in all sports. I remember when I was a kid, there was a kid that w- we were in, uh, little league baseball and there was a kid that was 15, he was trying to say he was 13. This motherfucker threw heat.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 47:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:24 He threw heat. He had a crazy fastball and everybody's like, "How old is this fucking kid?"

Khalil Rountree Jr. 47:28 Little league, they're only like 80, 89.

Narrator 47:31 This one is a little more clear.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Oh, trans boxer Herji Bakhytzyabekdan aims for gold medal.

Narrator 47:37 This is also from OutSports though, so it's a lot of sports.

Joe Rogan 47:38 Okay, so this one they're being honest about.

Narrator 47:40 I mean, that's what I'm just saying.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Right, but they're not being honest about that other one. Competes in the w- as he competes in the women's boxing division. Wait a minute. What does that mean?

Narrator 47:50 That's what that...

Joe Rogan 47:50 Why are they saying he, then?

Narrator 47:52 I t- I, this was a d- the other one.

Joe Rogan 47:54 See, they're saying himself and his nation. So this is a trans female to male competing in women's boxing 'cause they're saying him. So Out would not be calling this person a male if this person, uh, i- identified as female.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 48:12 Correct.

Joe Rogan 48:12 But they're competing in women's boxing. So that just means they're juicing up. They're just cyborging, cyborging their way to the thing. "He proudly proclaims he's never taken testosterone on his social media accounts." Okay, so he just says that he's a man? So he's transgender just by saying it. He's not doing any hormone replacement therapy. "Knowing his strong stance against the discrimination he faced during competition." So this is just a woman that says they're a man and competes with women. That's different.That's very different, especially if this person's not taking testosterone. That's very different. But the other one-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 48:47 There's (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 48:47 ... has XY chromosome. That's a boy. Congratulations.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 48:52 There's a lot, man. Like, that's a lot. That's a lot to take in. That's a lot for my, like, my brain to even process.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Well-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 48:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:58 ... it shouldn't be about-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:00 You know?

Joe Rogan 49:00 ... ideology. It should be about biology. You should have biologists determine whether or not someone's male or female. You c- it shouldn't be, like, you just decide. Like, this, this article was nonsense too, 'cause you're saying he competes as, you know, in women's boxing. Well, why? Why would he compete in women's boxing?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:15 If he thinks he's a man, go p- compete with the men.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:18 Yeah. It's sad. It's, it's... And what I mean by that, like, it's sad because in today's l- times, like, it's hard to stay, like, politically correct.

Joe Rogan 49:31 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:31 Right? Because y-

Joe Rogan 49:32 It's impossible.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:32 You c- it's like even now, I'm like, w- how do I-

Joe Rogan 49:36 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:36 How do I even talk about this?

Joe Rogan 49:37 I know. I know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:37 You get what I mean? Without, like, without getting-

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:39 ... completely, like... I might... I don't know what to say. I don't know-

Joe Rogan 49:43 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:44 ... what... But that's-

Joe Rogan 49:44 I don't know what-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:45 ... the trick. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:45 The trick is getting you so confused by it all that you can't even discuss it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 And then you just sort of allow it to happen.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:54 And you can... Yeah. You just allow it to happen.

Joe Rogan 49:54 You go, "Well, it's not me. What am I gonna do?"

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 49:58 What are you chewing on?

Joe Rogan 49:59 Um, this is a... Try these. That's, um, Lucy's.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:03 Lucy's.

Joe Rogan 50:03 That's a Breaker.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:04 Breaker. Espresso.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Those are good. Yeah. You'll li- ooh, it's good, man. The espresso is good. You'll like it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:09 Breaker.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Yeah. There's a little thing in it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:11 You chew it? Crack it?

Joe Rogan 50:11 Yeah. Crack it and it'll... has a nice flavor. Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:14 Wow.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:15 This is delicious.

Joe Rogan 50:16 Not bad, right? (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:19 Wow. Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Yeah. Probably banned from the Olympics. I wonder if nicotine's banned. So speaking of which, we should probably get to the... your whole story.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:25 Yeah, let's do it.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Yeah. So, um, you were slated to fight, um, uh, it was Jamahal Hill, right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:34 And... which was e- been a huge fight for you and for him. Um, and explain the story. Explain in your words what happened.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 50:42 Okay. Uh, yeah. So I was scheduled to fight Jamahal Hill, co-main event at UFC 303. At the time, it was when Conor was still, you know, gonna fight, uh, Chandler. (clears throat) So, uh, in preparation leading up to that fight, uh, I was... How do I even say this? I was working with a company who I, like, outsourced, like, to take care of my supplements and stuff. Like, "Hey, you know, I don't have the time to necessarily, like, pick what's right for me, uh, but these guys, I trust them. They promised me."

Joe Rogan 51:27 And they did your blood work. They did everything.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 51:29 Yeah. Uh, blood work, everything sh- like, sh- you know. I trusted them. I'd taken their stuff before, passed drug tests before, so there was nothing for me to, you know, worry about. Um, and then I... It was brought to my attention, uh, from the owner of the company, he was visiting my house, and pointed out something that I was taking and shouldn't have been, but it was sent to me from their company. Um, they mentioned, you know... They sent a letter to the UFC. As soon as I took it, I had to... I, I mean, I called the UFC, man. I was, like, freaked out. I was like, "What the hell?" I didn't know.

Joe Rogan 52:09 So, this stuff that you were taking was a part of, like... It was a stack of things? Or was it, like-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 52:14 So let me... I wanna get this, like... I wanna get this correct, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:21 Right, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 52:22 Like, because this is the first time that I'm, you know, speaking about this publicly. So, the, the most simple way that I can put it is I was outsourcing my supplements. I was sent a blended supplement that I was not told that I should not take. N- and the company knew that I'm a UFC fighter, that I'm under drug testing protocol, like all this stuff. So they knew that and someone from their company sent me something that I shouldn't have taken, and there was no, like, "Heads up. Hey, this..." Da, da, da, da, da. It just came. And I continued to take my supplements as I'd been doing, and then when it was brought to my attention, like, "Hey, you shouldn't be taking this," that's when I immediately alerted the UFC. I'm like, "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 53:17 So this is DHEA?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 53:19 DHEA.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Correct?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 53:20 And it wasn't even... It was in a blended supplement, so DHEA was inside of a vitamin-type supplement that they sent me.

Joe Rogan 53:29 And we should also point out DHEA is not even performance enhancing. So it's not like you could get any kind of an advantage. It would help your health.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 53:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:37 It's kinda stupid that it's illegal.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 53:39 Yeah. I mean, there's like... When I looked at stuff from, like, the WADA, um, list on why they banned it, um, it just doesn't really make any sense, you know? And for it to have any type of performance enhancing benefits, I'd have to take it for a long time and a lot of it, and it still wouldn't even probably do anything, you know?

Joe Rogan 54:03 Yeah. It's not a steroid. The point is it's-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 54:05 It... Yeah, it's not-

Joe Rogan 54:05 It's not like some crazy shit that you take when or else... Like EPO or something like that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 54:08 Yeah, yeah. Exactly. S-

Joe Rogan 54:10 So I don't understand if you told them that this was an accident, giving, given the understanding that this is not performance enhancing, why did they suspend you?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 54:21 Okay. So UFC, which is awesome, they've, they've been so helpful, man. Like Dana and Jeff and even Hunter, like, I'm so grateful for them. But they had to suspend me. They gave me a two-month suspension because...... my test did come back positive. As soon as I told them, "Hey, I just tested on May 4th, so I haven't gotten the results back yet, but this is what I just found out I've been taking, so it's probably gonna come up on this test, so keep a lookout." Be like, "Keep your-"

Joe Rogan 54:57 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 54:57 "... eye out." So then they're like, "Okay, we're..." They like expedited my test. They called it like, "Hey, we need this test back immediately-"

Joe Rogan 55:03 Mm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 55:03 "... 'cause I was booked to fight." And so I'm obviously... This is like... Uh, I'm panicking, dude. I'm like, "Fuck." Like, th- everything is... It could go down, and I fucking didn't do anything, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:15 Right, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 55:15 And now the biggest moment of my life that I've been preparing for is, is in jeopardy. So-

Joe Rogan 55:22 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 55:22 ... UFC expedited the test. They come back and Donna calls me. She's like, "Okay. Okay. Exactly..." (clears throat) Excuse me. "Exactly what you stated did show up on the test, so we have to issue you some type of s- suspension for a failed drug test." So they just gave me two months. But that's completely separate from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Oh.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 55:48 Yeah. So that's what I'm in now. That's the situation.

Joe Rogan 55:51 So what are they trying to do?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 55:53 So I'm still suspended under Nevada State, but they still haven't given me the time yet specifically. So, yet today was supposed to be another m- hearing, but as far as I know right now, it's gonna be somewhere nine months or more.

Joe Rogan 56:18 Jesus Christ.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 56:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:20 For DHEA?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 56:21 For DHEA. And the crazy thing and-

Joe Rogan 56:23 God, that's so crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 56:24 ... a- and, and so UFC is... They're, they're, they're trying to help, and we're trying to get this like, come on guys, like I'm being penalized for reporting, self-reporting...

Joe Rogan 56:37 Self-reporting something that's not even performance enhancing.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 56:39 Something that... And that, that's not even my fault.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 56:41 You get what I mean? Like I didn't intentionally do this.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 56:43 So like, it's just... It's, it's a really, really rough time right now, Joe. Like it's, it's hard to... for me to really kind of like keep it together, especially like you were saying, like I was scheduled to fight Jamal and like... I'm at a point in my career right now where, man, I felt like... I feel like I'm really damn close, but now I don't... I don't know what the hell's going on because I'm being held up by, by all of this stuff. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:08 Yeah, you are really damn close.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:10 You're really, really close. And every time we see you, you look better. I was really looking forward to that fight because I think that would be... that's a giant test. You know, Jamal is a former champion.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:19 And, uh, he's gonna be angry coming off of that loss to Pereira.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Man.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:25 So you, you're in limbo right now.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:27 I'm in limbo, dude. It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 57:28 And how many months ago was 303? Two month-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:30 303 was, uh... What was it, May? May?

Joe Rogan 57:36 May? May?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Okay, so here we're in July, and so you still don't have an answer yet. And if, if it's nine months, was it... would it be nine months from the day? So you'd be-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:43 Nine months from the day.

Joe Rogan 57:44 ... eligible in six months from now?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:45 So you could maybe do December card?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:48 No, nine months... No, nine months from, uh, from the day of the positive test. I think that comes out... I can... I think that comes out to February.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Oh, wow.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:58 June, July, August-

Joe Rogan 57:59 Okay.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 57:59 ... September, October, November-

Joe Rogan 58:00 Okay.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:01 ... January. Yeah. Like February. So I wouldn't be able to fight until next year.

Joe Rogan 58:04 God dammit.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:05 Yeah, dude. And so like it's-

Joe Rogan 58:07 And you're so close in this-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:08 So close.

Joe Rogan 58:09 ... heated up division.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:10 Heated up division. Things are moving, you know, guys are fighting. Um, ah, dude, I mean like even to not fight this long, I mean, I d- I don't think people have... Or it does so much for me, man. Financially, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:28 Yeah. I'm sure.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:29 You know what I mean? Like, dude, I got mortgage. Like-

Joe Rogan 58:31 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:31 ... like shit's... It's been... it's been such a huge thing on-

Joe Rogan 58:34 Also momentum.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:35 Momentum. Uh, yeah, not fighting, I mean it's-

Joe Rogan 58:40 And you're in your prime right now.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 58:42 Yeah, dude. It's... I, I... When I even think about it, like it, it brings up so many different emotions, you know. Like I do my best to work through 'em and I've been training my ass off, you know. I like... I've, I've tried to do everything that I can in this time to just stay prepared and just... even though I... even if I know that I'm gonna be fighting next year or something like that. Like I'm just like, "Okay, I don't..." I have to... I have to stay strong. I have to keep progressing.

Joe Rogan 59:09 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:09 I have to continue to be better every time-

Joe Rogan 59:12 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:12 ... every... you know, every fight.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Well, you were... after the Anthony Smith fight, you just... you're so hot right now. I mean, it's like on that level where like, this guy might break through and become champion. You're in that range, you know.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:23 Yeah. And that's... I mean, that's where I'm headed. Like, I'm so focused on whatever it takes to get to that championship and that Jamal Hill fight was like the way that I was looking at, "Okay, this is my way to prove that I'm ready."

Joe Rogan 59:37 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:38 The only... (sighs) I mean, hopefully that fight can get rescheduled, you know, because my biggest focus right now is, man, I wanna fight Alex, man.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Mm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:52 I just... I know that that's gonna be a great fight that everyone is going to love.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:57 And I know that-

Joe Rogan 59:58 That's a striker's delight.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 59:59 ... I'm obviously... Yes. And I know that I have to, uh, you know, like, yeah, I've gotta fight Jamal and maybe that'll... he- maybe like if that happens first, then that'll still keep me in that position of like talks of like, "Okay then, now you're ready for it."

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:14 Who knows what's gonna happen? Who knows how many fights it's gonna take now-

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:17 ... for me to get that fight?

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:19 But that's the one, to me, in my mind that I'm like, "That's the one that I want really bad."

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Well, fortunately Jamal... unfortunately for him, Jamal got injured.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 And so he had to pull outta that fight too. That whole card sw- that, that fight switched so many different times.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:33 Crazy, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Yeah. So when you think about... but I think Jamal had a knee injury, right?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:39 Yeah. It looked like, uh, something pretty bad.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 And so that... who knows what- what's gonna happen with that. That could take him out for many months.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:47 Oh, we don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 I don't know if he had surgery. What was the extent of Jamal's knee injury?I believe it was, like, a, a severe meniscus tear.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:00:56 Yeah, something like that, and, like, a lot of fluid it looked like.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, have you had any knee issues?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:01:04 Uh, yeah. When I, (laughs) when I was 15, uh, I broke my knee in the, in the pit, hardcore pit.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Oh, no.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:01:11 Yeah. I was moshing, going crazy. Some guy had some steel toe boots on, and he was just flinging around, and he, boom, kicked my knee-

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 (inhales deeply)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:01:20 ... and broke my, uh, tibia.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Oh, God.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:01:22 At the top, bone was sticking out.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Jesus Christ.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:01:24 Yeah. And then crazy thing, at the time, I was on tour with the band that I was, uh, playing with. And we were close to, like, Mexico, and so we went to this, like, shitty hospital, like, Southern California, like, close to the border. And I was only 15, 16 at the time, something like that, and they were like, "Parents? Insurance?" I was like, "I don't know. I don't have anything, but my leg is the size of a football right now. Fix it." So they, like, shot me up with some type of drug, and put a brace on me, and gave me crutches, and they were like, "Peace." And I had to drive from Southern California to Vegas, which took us, at the time, th- two days because we had to make stops because I was in pain with a broken leg. Nothing had been done yet.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Oh, my God.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:09 And, uh, we were young, so my friends would stop at, like, a Walgreens or something, get a bunch of cough medicine, Benadryl, "Here, drink this. Uh, here."

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:17 You know? Like, just try to put me out because I'm-

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:20 ... in a van with a broken leg.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 Oh, my God.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:22 Yeah, dude. It was crazy. So yeah-

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 Oh, my God.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:24 ... I've, I've broken... Yeah. But nothing, nothing torn or anything like that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 But... Oh, so that healed up and you're good to go?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:30 Yeah, I'm good now. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 It's kind of amazing when you think of how many fights you've had and all the kicking you do, you, you've had no knee injuries? Nothing?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:38 No.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Wow.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:39 No, dude. Um, yeah, thankfully. I mean, shit, it's, it's been really good. Um, I feel better now than I ever have. Like, everything's strong. This is, this is great. This is a great time for me as far as just, like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:51 ... athletic, like, progression.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Well, dude, you looked so good in that Anthony Smith fight.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:55 Ah, thanks.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Dude.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:56 I loved that fight, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Psh.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:02:57 (laughs) I loved that fight. That was one of my favorites. Uh, I watched it, I watched it back, um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 That off speed when you hit him with that uppercut.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Oh, that was slick.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:07 I started... You know the crazy thing? Like, I'm, I'm glad you pointed that out. I s- I don't know. I think I started that in the first or second round. That was something that I was, like, doing intentionally. The, the, the reason why that's my favorite fight is because from start to finish I was 100% locked in, zeroed in. I still remember that fight now as if it were yesterday.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Ah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:26 So, like, you know, that hints to, like, the I didn't finish him because I was just locked in. There was nothing, like, overly emotional. I just-

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:35 I was in there to eat, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 (laughs) Yeah, it seemed like it.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:38 And I, I didn't, I didn't feel emotional in that fight-

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:43 ... at all. Everything was just locked in-

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 Clear.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:45 ... locked in strategy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:48 Pick my shots wisely.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 It was a masterpiece.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:50 Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 And it's one of those fights where there's, there's cer- a certain time in a fighter's career where they make this breakthrough, and you go, "Oh, boy, he's right there."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:03:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 Like, "They're right there," where, like, I wanna see that guy fight all these other folks.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 I wanna see that guy fight all these other killers in that division.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:05 Yeah. That's where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:07 That's where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 And that division i- is, you know, it's interesting 'cause Alex is such a dominant champion, but there's not a lot of compelling challengers for him. You know, there's Ankalaev who I think is going to be next. I think they're, they're pretty much saying that Ankalaev-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:20 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Yeah, it makes sense.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:21 It makes sense.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 And then Jan Błachowicz, of course-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 ... because his fight was pretty close with Alex. I think it was a split, a split decision.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:28 Yeah, I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Yeah. And he's, for whatever reason, not being considered. I think a lot of people looking past Błachowicz 'cause he's older.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 You know? But-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:35 Yeah. But you can't. I mean, you can't-

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 You can't.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:37 ... look past anybody, right? I mean, look how far Glover came.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Right. Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:41 You know? Like, and I think, yeah, it, it, it's crazy. Yeah, you can't, you can't overlook anybody. Um...

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Well, at the elite, elite level.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 You know, there's just, there's so many of those... Look, Błachowicz and Jan F- uh, and... Or rather Błachowicz and, um, Ankalaev fought to a draw. Remember that fight?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:04:57 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 So those guys are, like, right there. Like, there's so many... It's tightly contested fights in that division.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:03 Yeah. I just, I think I'm, I'm not, like, shitting on anybody or, you know, saying that, like, "I deserve this anybo- over anybody." I just... I'm excited, man. Like, I just want to give the fans that fight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:17 I wanna give myself that fight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:19 You know what I mean? Like, just for e- just for the, for the experience. Like, I don't plan to shoot any takedowns on this guy. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Right, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:27 And I don't think he plans on shooting any takedowns on me.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 No.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:29 And I think that it's like... And there's really... When you have two guys that strike like we do and that are skilled and we... Like, you know, like, we're thoughtful. We know-

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:41 ... e- everything's precise. It's not just we're not going in there and just slaying and banging, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Like Izzy says, "Button pushers."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 Button smashers.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:47 Yeah. It's not that. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:48 ... it's two guys that would know, "Hey, man, this could end at any moment."

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:05:53 It could end in the first, second, but it also could go five because the both of us are fucking warriors. So I just think, like... And, and while he's still doing his best, you know? Like, while he's-

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:06 ... still at the peak-

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:07 ... it's kind of, like... 'Cause I'm doing my best, and I'm getting to the... my peak. And you get these two guys at the highest level-

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:15 ... and, like, "Fuck, that's a sick fight." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 That's what I'm saying.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:17 You know (laughs) ? Like, "That's a sick fight."

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:18 "It's not like me."

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 T- that's what I'm saying.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:20 You know? So, like, hopefully he continues to win. Hopefully I'm not suspended for that long. And if I have to fight someone else in between... like, you know, in between then, okay, I understand. Um, you know? If it's Jamal Hill, if he gets back and they book us a five-rounder, and then it's like, "Okay, who's..." You know, "Winner of this can fight the champion." Okay, cool. I'm down for something like that, you know? Um, but yeah, man, I'm, I'm-

Joe Rogan 1:06:50 They gotta work that out.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 Who is the head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission now?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:56 Jeff Mullen?

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 Is it Jeff?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:06:58 I think.

Joe Rogan 1:06:59 Jeff's a reasonable guy. Very smart guy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:01 Yeah, yeah. Seems like it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 Yeah. He'll, uh, he'll... Well, I don't know how much say he has on how things get sorted out.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 But he's a martial artist too.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Yeah. So, he's-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:10 A lot of those, a lot of those guys are, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:12 I went, I went. So, I thought that I was supposed to have my hearing, I guess you wanna call it, uh, last month, and I showed up in person. Like, they allow public comments, like time for... So the public can come in the beginning. So, I came and I saw these guys and I'm like, "Oh, I know all of you." (laughs) Like, I see-

Joe Rogan 1:07:31 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:31 You know, in my mind-

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 Right, right, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:32 ... I thought it was like some crazy thing, you know. Like, "Oh man, I have to go." And so I showed up and then I looked around the room and everybody's sitting around this table, like all the board, and I was like, "Oh, I've seen every single last one of you at every fight."

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:07:45 So, I felt more comfortable and I kinda, like, let them know, like, "Hey, guys, I'm here. I think that my case is today, you know?" They were like, "No, it's not until next month." And I was like, "Okay, well, I just... Hopefully you guys can kind of look into the facts and just see, like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:01 ... this was not my fault."

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 Y- not only not your fault, but not gonna help you in any way.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 You d- you took DHCA for a couple of months. That doesn't mean anything.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:10 That's not gonna do a fucking-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:11 Not even for a couple of months. A couple of days.

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 Oh, there you go.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:14 Okay. So-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:14 A couple of days, man.

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Oh, wow.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 Yeah, yeah. There's no way that's gonna give any performance enhan-... I just see... I hate paperwork. That feels... It seems like logical heads would go, "Oh, clear them."

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 If you have to suspend him for two months, okay. Two months is not that big a deal.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Let's get it right back on the hunt, reschedule the fight. You know, we got so many big fights coming up. After The Sphere, there's Salt Lake City, which is... I think Salt Lake City's gonna be, uh, Holloway and Ilia Topuria.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:42 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 Yeah. Ooh.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:43 That's a good one.

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 Yeah. And then, of course-

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:45 Big Holloway fan here.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Yeah, me too.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:46 Shout out to Max Holloway.

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 God dammit, how about that Gaethje fight? Woo!

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:49 Woo! I was there.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:52 I was there. It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 Woo! Woo, it was crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:54 The way that... You know when people do, like, the wave in crowds?

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 Mm-hmm.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:08:58 It was... This was like the fucking atomic bomb.

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 (laughs)

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:01 (laughs) Like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 Boom!

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:02 ... boom, dude. And then everyone, like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:05 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:05 ... at the last second, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 Yeah, crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:07 It's crazy because it's like, okay, you're watching this fight and you're like, "Okay, cool. Yeah. This... Max got this, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 Yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:12 ... in the bag." And then, uh, Gaethje comes and he's swinging and it's like, "Oh, okay." It's like everyone's still engaged, right?

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 Yep.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:18 Because they're fighting. But then, like, as soon as that hit, boom. (explosion sound)

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 Insane.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:22 The entire arena was getting-

Joe Rogan 1:09:24 Insane.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:24 ... chills just thinking about it, like being in that moment. That was sick.

Joe Rogan 1:09:27 It was so crazy.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 And Max versus Topuria is gonna be wild, man.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:31 Yes, it's gonna be great.

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 That is a wild fight.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 Topuria is a fucking savage.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:35 Yeah, he's a sav.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 He's s- he's so savage. Which brings me to what I was gonna say about Jamahal. I, I, I'm b- I'm very sad that he hurt his knee, you know. I, I certainly want him to get better. But I did not like him taking that fight with you so quickly after getting KO'd by Pereira.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:09:50 No?

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 Nope. I don't like guys taking fights real quickly. I mean, I like it for you, but I don't like it for him. I don't think it's smart. I think you feel okay, but I don't think you're okay. And I think that's Volkanovski, after he got KO'd, KO'd by Islam, and then a couple months later he fights Ilia and gets knocked unconscious.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 That's real, man. You know, and you, you've been stopped before. You know what it's like.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 It's like you're not quite right for a long time after that.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:16 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like, when it happened and when, like, when they called me and told me that this was the situation, um, that was a lot of the fans' response. And then people that I know, they're like, "Dude, what's wrong with this guy? Like, why is he..." And I'm like... Honestly, my response to everybody was like, "Dude, that's none of my business."

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 Right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:35 (laughs) It's up to him.

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 It's true, right.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:36 You know what I mean? Like, whatever he chooses to do, that's on him.

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 Yep.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:40 Um, but, I mean, it does... Uh, I don't... To me it seems like him. I mean, he seems like someone who's very, like, "Fuck it, headstrong, I'll do what I want."

Joe Rogan 1:10:49 Oh, yeah.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:50 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's him. Definitely. Like go after it, like, "Okay, cool, dude, do you. I'm gonna continue to do me." And then it's really, like- Look, he might be fine.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:10:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:57 I mean, he got clipped and dropped and then he got beaten up when he was on the ground and he stood right back up afterwards. Maybe he didn't get a concussion, maybe he just got dinged. Who knows?

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:11:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:06 But, like, guys have... Like, Mirko Cro Cop in Pride, he fought Kevin Randleman and he got KO'd bad.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:11:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 Real bad.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:11:13 Folded.

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 And then he fought again 25 days later.

Khalil Rountree Jr. 1:11:16 What was the result of that one, or who