JRE MMA Show #161 with Khalil Rountree Jr.

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yeah. What's up?

   4. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:16

      Hello. What up? (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Good to see you, man. What's happening?

   6. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:17

      We're back, we're back, we're back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      We were just talking about eating pigeon. So I was in Europe and, uh, I had, uh, pigeon. And it's, it's a red meat.

   8. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:26

      Wait, pigeon's a red meat?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Yeah, it's red. And they serve it very rare. Yeah.

   10. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:30

       That (laughs) , wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       I know.

   12. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:32

       Wait. First of all, eating pigeon is just, it's different.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Right.

   14. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:36

       But you're telling me that it's red meat.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah.

   16. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:38

       And they serve it rare.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah, it's rare.

   18. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:43

       Well, there's quite a-

   19. NANarrator0:43

       I need more details. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       I know. (laughs)

   21. NANarrator0:44

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       I, I was a little stunned too. When the guy... Well, the chef basically, he, he brought us out food, right? We didn't order off the menu, he just brought us out this food. And, uh, when the pigeon came-

   23. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.0:55

       Oh my God.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah, it looks red, man. Like, it looks almost like you're eating a piece of steak.

   25. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00

       It's like before you prep it, you know? Like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Mm-hmm.

   27. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:03

       ... this is not what I would expect it being, like, getting served, this.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Well, there's a bunch of different, uh, birds that have red meat, like ostrich. Ostrich is red meat.

   29. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:13

       I didn't know that either.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Yeah, I used to get ostrich burgers at Fuddruckers. I think Fuddruckers went under, unfortunately.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   I, like, vaguely remember…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      goggles. She was having a conversation with her daughter. And I was like, "Yo."

   2. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:03

      I, like, vaguely remember seeing something like that.

   3. GUGuest15:05

      This isn't brand new, but I think it's this.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Oh, yeah. This is it. This is so crazy.

   5. NANarrator15:11

      Oh, this is the stuff?

   6. GUGuest15:11

      That's something different.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      This is so crazy.

   8. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:15

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      I mean-

   10. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:15

       She's seeing her deceased daughter and trying to touch her. Oh my God.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       This is, like, what we were talking about, about the phone, right? Like, just putting ourselves through, like, this depression and stuff, like ... Dude, this is crazy.

   12. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:26

       This is cri- like, this ... She can't even touch her, so she's, like, reaching out like she wants to touch her.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Yeah, and she's crying. Look at the-

   14. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:31

       Oh my God.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       'Cause she's just-

   16. GUGuest15:32

       Well, with the gloves she has, she probably can feel some. This is what we're seeing-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Yeah, probably.

   18. GUGuest15:35

       ... with, uh, how they're showing it to the viewer.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Oh.

   20. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:38

       Oh my God. That's so horrible.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Oh, man. Look at that.

   22. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:40

       Oh my God.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       I mean, it probably sh- maybe a version of it that feels good to her, you know? But, like, this could be ...

   24. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:46

       Oh, God.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       This could be pretty bad.

   26. GUGuest15:49

       God, that's so sad.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Oh my ... Yeah.

   28. GUGuest15:51

       Man, we're s- we're so f- close to the matrix. We're so close.

   29. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.15:55

       We're in the matrix, dude.

   30. GUGuest15:56

       I think we might be.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   ... yeah, any- anybody…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

   2. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:00

      ... yeah, any- anybody that's doing things at just like a, a really high level or like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Yes.

   4. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:05

      ... they're doing things differently or they're like the number one, two, and three in their-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      In anything.

   6. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:09

      ... in th- in anything, yeah. There's definitely a level of-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      And if you're focusing at physics-... well, everybody thinks you're a genius. But if you're focusing on hockey, people don't think you're a genius.

   8. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:18

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      Or if you're focusing on chess, maybe people think you're a genius, but if you're focusing on jujitsu, maybe they don't think you're a genius.

   10. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:23

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       And it's kind of interesting.

   12. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:24

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       But I think they're all geniuses.

   14. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:26

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       I think that-

   16. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:26

       For sure.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       ... I think every one of those people, if they had the physical capability, 'cause o- obviously some people unfortunately have terrible genetics and they're just never gonna be an elite athlete.

   18. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:36

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       But if you have the physical ability, that's only like a little tiny piece of it.

   20. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:40

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       The real piece is the mental part of navigating not just the training, but the improving, and, and then the ability to execute under pressure.

   22. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:50

       To execute under pressure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Yes.

   24. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:51

       You gotta, you gotta have the, the mental side to even drive the physical side, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Right.

   26. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.30:57

       You can be a physical specimen. I ... How I'm built, right? Like, but I know n- nothing about football, so it's not like I can just ... I have t- Right, right, right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       I'd have to, you know, I'd have to develop some type of brilliance or some type of ...

   28. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.31:07

       You'd have to train. I'd have to train-

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       Yeah.

   30. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.31:09

       ... I'd have to think-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I don't know. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Are they ma- female to male? Like they're trying to transition to male? Is that what they're saying?

   2. NANarrator45:05

      I don't know.

   3. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:06

      What? Okay, this too-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      What article is this?

   5. NANarrator45:09

      From OutSports.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      OutSports. What is OutSports?

   7. NANarrator45:12

      Why, may I go to somewhere else for a second?

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      But hold on, what is OutSports? What is that? What is the-

   9. NANarrator45:16

      Probably LGBT people.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       Yeah, it's LGBTQ. Yeah, it is, so this might be biased. Google transgender boxer-

   11. NANarrator45:23

       I did. I Googled transgender boxer. That's why, that's exactly where I started it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       And what does it say?

   13. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.45:24

       Olympic trans boxers.

   14. NANarrator45:27

       It said there were previous events from women's events-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       They will fight in Paris.

   16. NANarrator45:29

       ... but it says they're eligible to compete.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Yeah, but here it said, this is the person. Algeria's Inan Khel... I don't know how to say that. And Taiwan's Ling Yu-Teng were disqualified from last... God, these pop-ups. Qualifi- disqualified from last year's Women's World Boxing Championships after failing gender eligibility tests. Okay? That means they're transgender, Jamie. That OutSports is a biased website. It's unfortunately, they're... It's kind of propaganda about this kind of stuff.

   18. NANarrator45:59

       Man, I don't... All right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Scroll it up. Scroll it up again. So it says, yeah, the person has the XY chromosome. The boxer's chromosome test came back as XY, so that's a male.

   20. NANarrator46:12

       It says it's alleged.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       Mm-hmm. Well, "At the time of the disqualifications, based on DNA tests, we identified a number of athletes who tried to trick their colleges into posing as women." The association's president, Umral- Umar Kremlev told Russia's TASS news agency at the time, "According to the results of the test, it was proved that they have XY chromosomes. Such athletes were excluded from competition." So I don't think OutSports is being honest-

   22. NANarrator46:39

       Hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       ... about this particular thing because there's outrage all over the place about this one particular person that they're talking there that did test for an XY chromosome. That's a man. I know it sounds horrible to misgender someone and all that good stuff. All that's great until you wanna fight women or even compete against women.

   24. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.46:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       Let's just cut the shit.

   26. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.46:58

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       Let's cut the shit.

   28. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.46:59

       Like, th- when it comes to competition, I guess, th- yeah, there's a level of, like, it's just unfair or it can be, you know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:06

       Also, we're denying sandbagging, right?

   30. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.47:09

       Yeah.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:18

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:00

      And I know that I have to, uh, you know, like, yeah, I've gotta fight Jamal and maybe that'll... he- maybe like if that happens first, then that'll still keep me in that position of like talks of like, "Okay then, now you're ready for it."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      Mm-hmm.

   3. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:14

      Who knows what's gonna happen? Who knows how many fights it's gonna take now-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      Right.

   5. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:17

      ... for me to get that fight?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Right.

   7. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:19

      But that's the one, to me, in my mind that I'm like, "That's the one that I want really bad."

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      Well, fortunately Jamal... unfortunately for him, Jamal got injured.

   9. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:28

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

       And so he had to pull outta that fight too. That whole card sw- that, that fight switched so many different times.

   11. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:33

       Crazy, right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       Yeah. So when you think about... but I think Jamal had a knee injury, right?

   13. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:39

       Yeah. It looked like, uh, something pretty bad.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Yeah.

   15. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:42

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       And so that... who knows what- what's gonna happen with that. That could take him out for many months.

   17. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:47

       Oh, we don't know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       I don't know if he had surgery. What was the extent of Jamal's knee injury?I believe it was, like, a, a severe meniscus tear.

   19. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:00:56

       Yeah, something like that, and, like, a lot of fluid it looked like.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, have you had any knee issues?

   21. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:04

       Uh, yeah. When I, (laughs) when I was 15, uh, I broke my knee in the, in the pit, hardcore pit.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Oh, no.

   23. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:11

       Yeah. I was moshing, going crazy. Some guy had some steel toe boots on, and he was just flinging around, and he, boom, kicked my knee-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       (inhales deeply)

   25. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:20

       ... and broke my, uh, tibia.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Oh, God.

   27. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:22

       At the top, bone was sticking out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

       Jesus Christ.

   29. KJKhalil Rountree Jr.1:01:24

       Yeah. And then crazy thing, at the time, I was on tour with the band that I was, uh, playing with. And we were close to, like, Mexico, and so we went to this, like, shitty hospital, like, Southern California, like, close to the border. And I was only 15, 16 at the time, something like that, and they were like, "Parents? Insurance?" I was like, "I don't know. I don't have anything, but my leg is the size of a football right now. Fix it." So they, like, shot me up with some type of drug, and put a brace on me, and gave me crutches, and they were like, "Peace." And I had to drive from Southern California to Vegas, which took us, at the time, th- two days because we had to make stops because I was in pain with a broken leg. Nothing had been done yet.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       Oh, my God.

Episode duration: 2:20:06