JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiri Prochazka

1. 0:00 – 2:36

   Post-fight health: flu during fight week & the fine line of overtraining

   1. JPJiří Procházka0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeats)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Great to have you in, man.

   3. JPJiří Procházka0:13

      Yeah, great to be here. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How you feeling? You must be feeling fantastic.

   5. JPJiří Procházka0:17

      Uh, many things, uh, were successful, so even if I, like, was a little bit, uh, had a flu, uh, many things-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      You had the flu before that fight?

   7. JPJiří Procházka0:30

      Mm-hmm. Yeah, for one, one week, like, five, five days, five day- five days before fight week, I was in, uh, uh, like... How to say that? Uh, uh, heat, like body is warm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:43

      Fever?

   9. JPJiří Procházka0:44

      Fever. Fever. Yeah, fever.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah.

   11. JPJiří Procházka0:46

       So, (laughs) yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       That's crazy.

   13. JPJiří Procházka0:48

       That was, that was, yeah. That was something what I- But every time, maybe I'm little bit glad for that, because I'm every time trying to push my preparation too much-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JPJiří Procházka1:01

       ... that I am every time, like, hurt myself or, or I'm overtrained.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Right.

   17. JPJiří Procházka1:07

       So, so that's why I'm maybe, maybe just a little bit glad for that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Y- That's interesting, right? Like, it's, it's so hard, because you wanna prepare so hard, you, you're so disciplined, so driven, but you can do yourself a disservice. You can go too far, and then you don't recover enough, and then you go into the fight a little compromised.

   19. JPJiří Procházka1:28

       Yep. That's right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       Yeah, we've seen that many times with fighters-

   21. JPJiří Procházka1:31

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       ... who just get so enthusiastic about their training.

   23. JPJiří Procházka1:33

       Yeah. I- 'Cause I feel like self-confidence, and still, there is something what you can do better, yeah? Every day.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JPJiří Procházka1:45

       And that's my idea of, of the training, life, life idea, to, to, to go better every day, 1% better, 1% better.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JPJiří Procházka1:54

       Even if you don't, if you can't train, you can sit in a meditation and visualize how you train, how the, how this body's working.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JPJiří Procházka2:06

       But sometimes, is the most, uh, biggest, like, the biggest thing what you can do is just-

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       Rest.
2. 2:36 – 4:00

   Recovery tools and altitude camp: Mexico City at the UFC Performance Institute

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      Do you monitor your heart rate every day to see what your recovery's at? Or you just go by feel?

   2. JPJiří Procházka2:42

      Feeling.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      Feeling?

   4. JPJiří Procházka2:43

      Feeling, feeling. I did that in, uh, high altitude training in, uh, all the November in, uh, Mexico, Mexico City, where is, uh, 2,300, 200 meters-

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:56

      Yeah, 7,700 feet above sea level-

   6. JPJiří Procházka2:59

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:59

      ... I believe.

   8. JPJiří Procházka2:59

      Yes. And, uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:00

      Yeah.

   10. JPJiří Procházka3:01

       ... there I, there I monitored, monitor everything, like take a blood exams before, in, and after the, this camp, four weeks camp there. And man, amazing, amazing how the-

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       Well, your endurance was incredible in that fight, because that was such a high-

   12. JPJiří Procházka3:18

       And still.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       ... paced fight.

   14. JPJiří Procházka3:21

       S- and still. I, I felt like, uh, after that flu, I felt (laughs) a little bit down. But-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Well, that's pretty amazing, then. You must've been in-

   16. JPJiří Procházka3:31

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       ... insane shape before the flu. Yeah. It's that-

   18. JPJiří Procházka3:35

       Definitely.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       ... fine line, that balance.

   20. JPJiří Procházka3:37

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       But yeah, you... So you went to Mexico City. Did you, did you know a gym up there, or did you bring your camp up there?

   22. JPJiří Procházka3:44

       Uh, I was there in, uh, UFC Performance Institute there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Oh.

   24. JPJiří Procházka3:48

       There's a, there is a new one.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Nice.

   26. JPJiří Procházka3:50

       And, yeah, you have everything here in-

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Yeah.

   28. JPJiří Procházka3:53

       ... in the Performance Institute, like regeneration-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JPJiří Procházka3:55

       ... training, coaches, uh, coaches with the pads.
3. 4:00 – 8:33

   Hands-down style, head movement, and “reading” opponents before they move

   1. JPJiří Procházka4:00

      And, uh, so, uh, I was there for, especially for, uh, to work on, on the things what I, what I took from the last fight with Pereira, to, to work on, on the hands up a little bit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JPJiří Procházka4:17

      Eh, just a little bit.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      (laughs) A little bit. But we were talking about it in the broadcast, your hands down sometimes has a benefit. There's a, there's a real-

   5. JPJiří Procházka4:26

      That's right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:26

      ... advantage to it, because no one sees where those punches are coming from.

   7. JPJiří Procházka4:30

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      So for the people that don't know what-

   9. JPJiří Procházka4:32

      Not just-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       ... you're talking about-

   11. JPJiří Procházka4:33

       Not just punches.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Yes.

   13. JPJiří Procházka4:34

       Movement, movement, head movement.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Movement. Head movement was excellent.

   15. JPJiří Procházka4:37

       E- Everything. And-

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       Your head movement was excellent.

   17. JPJiří Procházka4:39

       And the feeling, feeling, uh, with the hands up is another one with the, that, uh, with the hands, with the hands down.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JPJiří Procházka4:51

       Yeah, because this is your, uh, natural posture.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Right.

   21. JPJiří Procházka4:54

       Yeah. So, uh, you spend the mo- more, most of the time in, in this. And, uh, it's, it, it's about just, uh, just, uh, feeling the space, feeling the... I, I can't explain to, to another person like this one, because, uh, when I am, when I am in, in the flow, like you wanna be in the flow in the fight, some between the flow and, uh, uncomfortable-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JPJiří Procházka5:19

       ... some- somewhere in the center. So when I achieved this attitude, that's why I don't need to keep my hands up, because this, for me, means, and for everybody, that means defending.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JPJiří Procházka5:34

       I don't need to defend myself when I see, when I see everything, when I feel everything. And, um, but, like, I understand in this preparation, m- where I tried, where I did all the camp hands up, like, this gives you the calm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JPJiří Procházka5:54

       In, uh, in the close distance. In the close distance, it's not so, uh-... uh, sometimes. It's not so f-smart to, to keep-

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       Hands down.

   29. JPJiří Procházka6:05

       ... han- hands down. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       Right. So, but at that range-
4. 8:33 – 11:25

   Evolving as a fighter: coaches, loyalty, and what film study really means to Jiří

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   2. JPJiří Procházka9:43

      But, um, and I have to say thank you to my, uh, to my coaches for that because we worked, uh, on my style. We are consultat- consulting, like, communicate about, about that style, what to make a better, uh, how to, how to do that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:59

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JPJiří Procházka9:59

      That's why I'm keeping, uh, like, my two coaches, uh, what I began with, began with, um, like, all the time-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:09

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JPJiří Procházka10:09

      ... with, with me because I think that's, that's the only thing you can go, uh, to be a master with i-in something, to stay with, uh, with some people, with some, uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:24

      A tight circle.

   8. JPJiří Procházka10:25

      ... yeah, tight circle-

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:26

      Yeah.

   10. JPJiří Procházka10:26

       ... in a sum and go deeper. You can go really deep.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       Yeah.

   12. JPJiří Procházka10:30

       Yeah, so ...

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       It's also I value loyalty. Loyalty is very important.

   14. JPJiří Procházka10:34

       And this is it. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       It means a lot, you know?

   16. JPJiří Procházka10:37

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       And when people worked really hard to get you to a certain level, what I like is there's some coaches that they recognize that maybe there's other skillsets they can bring in, so they work with other people as well.

   18. JPJiří Procházka10:48

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:49

       You know? But always stay with the people that brought you... As long as the relationship is good, always stay with the people that brought you to the game.

   20. JPJiří Procházka10:55

       Yeah, sure, sure. Because in the end, (laughs) you can ch- you can change whoever, but you, you, you have to start again with, with the same people and go... And again you will go to the same level, to the same problems with the, with these people because not... It's, it's... Because it's not about them, it's always about you to recognize what's in you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       How much tape do you watch? Do you watch a lot of film? Do you watch videos of fights?

   22. JPJiří Procházka11:23

       Yeah. Many. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       Yeah?

5. 11:25 – 25:26

   Motivation sources: classic fight movies, Muay Thai roots, and building a blended style

   1. JPJiří Procházka11:25

      I was five days sick becau-before the fight, so, so I, I just watched, uh, fi-Spartans (laughs) 300-

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      (laughs)

   3. JPJiří Procházka11:34

      Yeah, uh, Ong Bak I watch.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      (laughs)

   5. JPJiří Procházka11:37

      Ong Bak 1. Man, he ... (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      That's wild shit.

   7. JPJiří Procházka11:40

      Yeah. No, no wild shit, but why mo- I was really in-inspired. I, I, I was really hungry for, to, to see something because long time I didn't see, uh, uh, some good... Not good movie. It doesn't matter if it's, like, good or new, but these old classics-

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:59

      Mm.

   9. JPJiří Procházka11:59

      ... all the fighting, Jean-Claude Van Damme with, uh, Kickboxera and all these things.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       (laughs) Oh, yeah.

   11. JPJiří Procházka12:04

       That's what-... that's what, uh, made a spark in- inside me-

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JPJiří Procházka12:11

       ... to a true love for martial arts because they... in the mo- in that movies, they live that, really live that. The inhale, n- and they have no other chance to, to solve their problems, just, just by martial arts and something... So that's, that's why I'm-

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:28

       So you got inspired by movies?

   15. JPJiří Procházka12:29

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:30

       Do you watch a lot of films of fight footage? Like your fights, your opponent's fights?

   17. JPJiří Procházka12:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       Yeah?

   19. JPJiří Procházka12:35

       Yeah. But I don't need to... I don't need many times to, to study that. I just need to, like, see once. Once I, I just see the atti- like, attitude of the start of the fight. How he's fighting, his... how to say, his spirit, his mindset, how he's thinking, how he's, uh, the start of moving of his body.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JPJiří Procházka12:57

       How he's reacting for, not just for opponent, for the many situation, for slipping and, and, um, movement, but, uh, everything. Like per- personal and studying the, the, that guy, not-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       His energy.

   23. JPJiří Procházka13:15

       ... e- ju- his energy, his vibe, how he's, how he's re- reacting, how he's react in a, in a, in some situation like these eye pokes and all these things, like some sp- some breaks in the fight. Every, every time.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JPJiří Procházka13:31

       Because it shows you how he have under control himself all the time. All the time.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JPJiří Procházka13:41

       And this is something was Alex Pereira, I don't know what, what is his story behind, but he have to... he handled that. He handled that and that's why he is how he is. Now he's starting to be more relaxed and I wish him to, to stay sharp.

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Well, I think he's more relaxed outside the fight, but in the fight-

   29. JPJiří Procházka14:07

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       ... he's always very calm.
6. 25:26 – 31:23

   Career beginnings and the “nature training” philosophy inspired by Mas Oyama

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:26

      Yeah. When you, um, first started fighting in MMA, was this something... Uh, first of all, how old were you when you had your first fight?

   2. JPJiří Procházka25:34

      Uh, when I was... First fight, in my 18, 19, 19-

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:41

      And were you looking at it as a career?

   4. JPJiří Procházka25:44

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:44

      Yeah, right from the beginning? Were you looking at it to do, that was what you wanted to do professionally?

   6. JPJiří Procházka25:49

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:50

      Yeah? Right, right away?

   8. JPJiří Procházka25:51

      Right away, yeah. It's from, uh, 2020. A- around my 20, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:55

      You knew you wanted to be a championship fighter?

   10. JPJiří Procházka25:57

       Yes, yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:58

       Yeah.

   12. JPJiří Procházka25:58

       Because that was something what, when I, I was ins- too inspired by, by, because, uh, I was a young guy who's tried to, to challenge everything around himself. Everything. Every man, every situations, everywhere. I'll, I will, I am better than this. I am better than this.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       Ah.

   14. JPJiří Procházka26:22

       Better than a- a- any... Maybe not the school. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:26

       (laughs)

   16. JPJiří Procházka26:26

       Just, just not in the school.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:28

       (laughs)

   18. JPJiří Procházka26:29

       But I like the fighting. I, I, I fall in love in, uh, with the fighting, with, uh, looking for, finding my biggest strength. And, uh, that's, that's the why I'm, I'm, I'm going every time to the nature.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:48

       Yeah.

   20. JPJiří Procházka26:48

       To sleeping in the mountains. To, um, that's why I'm living in the cottage to be in the contact with the nature. To feel the present moment and the rare natural power of the, of the water, fire, of all these things. Of the sun.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:05

       Yeah. Yeah, I w- I was gonna ask you about that. Like, when did you start this training in nature? Because, uh, when you look at your set-up that you have at your place, and everything's outside. You know, you put pads over trees, and you, you punch and kick trees.

   22. JPJiří Procházka27:20

       Yeah, sometimes it's, sometimes it looks, looks, looks weird. But, but, you know ... (inhales deeply) Wow. Uh, I don't like to, to tr- I don't like. Right now I, I realize I, I need to. I want, I ... Right now I want to overcome the, the people demands, the, the sparring partners in the tr- in the training. But, like, in my personal way, uh, I was inspired by (laughs) ... Once, I was being inspired by, uh, Masutatsu Oyama-

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:52

       Hmm.

   24. JPJiří Procházka27:52

       ... who was the founder of, uh, Kyokushinkai karate.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:55

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JPJiří Procházka27:56

       And I saw his movie, and how he spent, uh, more than one year, one and a half year, in the mountains, and he trained just in the mountains under the waterfall in the winter, uh, in the winter. And he made, from himsel- a really, really something, like unshakable mind, self-confidence so deep. Because he, he found a way how to overcome, how to rule his body. How to ... He's, uh, describing that in his book, like, the mind without the thinking. Like, without the thoughts.

   27. JRJoe Rogan28:46

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JPJiří Procházka28:46

       Pure mind, pure focus.

   29. JRJoe Rogan28:48

       Yeah.

   30. JPJiří Procházka28:49

       Pure consciousness, right here, right now. And I took that, uh, like, my own way. And, and I think it was year 2014, 2015, and I took everything in myself. I s- I took a tent, tent. Yeah. And I, and I went to the, to the mountains. To the mountains, and I slept there for, just for, like, one week, two weeks. One healthy... Yeah. And I, I was inspired too much, so I did the same thing. I ran there, and I punched to the, uh, to the rock.
7. 31:23 – 40:39

   Choosing the hard path: comfort culture, discipline, and teaching the next generation

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   3. JRJoe Rogan32:40

      Well, you're v- obviously very physically talented, but I think one of the things that does separate you from other fighters is this mindset that you've cultivated and that you embrace, and I think th- I think-

   4. JPJiří Procházka32:52

      It's the only way.

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:52

      ... it's also l- something fascinating about the fact that you do do it outside. I think that scares people. (laughs)

   6. JPJiří Procházka32:59

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:59

      I think there's something about e- the fact-

   8. JPJiří Procházka33:00

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:00

      ... that you like to be fighting in nature and p- punching trees, like, it's some-

   10. JPJiří Procházka33:04

       Because, because I'm coming, like, from, from, uh, from a, from one village where was there a lot of, like, good guys, (sighs) but everybody, we a- we were, um, we are still, like, really crazy. When we are celebrating it's all the time about... Right now, we are trying to slow down to, to show others like we are an adults, like, we, we know we are the mans, but still it's about, like, the showing the, the strength.

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:34

       Yeah.

   12. JPJiří Procházka33:35

       How, what to, what to destroy, how to, how to punch other guy-

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:41

       (laughs)

   14. JPJiří Procházka33:41

       ... how to, how to showing the s- the strength-

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       Yes.

   16. JPJiří Procházka33:44

       ... uh, above others.

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:45

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JPJiří Procházka33:45

       And so, uh, and, uh, when s- when there was, when there started, uh, on the... Okay, I can say it. When, when on these parties started level of, like, it was really dangerous, uh, fire and firearms and, and- (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       (laughs)

   20. JPJiří Procházka34:07

       ... and, and, uh, and, uh, cars and-

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:09

       Oh, Jesus.

   22. JPJiří Procházka34:09

       ... and the f- fire and it was not safe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       (laughs)

   24. JPJiří Procházka34:12

       Then I said, "Guys, okay, we are the man. Let's-" (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:17

       Be mature.

   26. JPJiří Procházka34:18

       Let's, yeah, please.

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       Yeah.

   28. JPJiří Procházka34:20

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:20

       Take it down a notch.

   30. JPJiří Procházka34:21

       Because-
8. 40:39 – 59:11

   Ego, chaos, and craft: from “pure chaos” vs Oezdemir to refined counters vs Hill

   1. JRJoe Rogan40:39

      And when you... Uh, you had a very quick rise in the UFC to a title fight. So you fought... Was Volkan Oezdemir your first fight?

   2. JPJiří Procházka40:47

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan40:48

      So you beat Volkan Oezdemir, then Dominic Reyes was the second fight.

   4. JPJiří Procházka40:51

      Yes. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan40:51

      And then bam, title shot.

   6. JPJiří Procházka40:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan40:54

      Crazy. So that's the reason to be so prepared.

   8. JPJiří Procházka40:57

      Yes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan40:57

      Because if you're successful, things go very quickly.

   10. JPJiří Procházka41:01

       That's right. That's right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan41:01

       And you have to be ready.

   12. JPJiří Procházka41:02

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan41:02

       When you look at your first fight with Volkan Oezdemir and then you look at your fight with Jamahal Hill, do you see significant improvement?

   14. JPJiří Procházka41:09

       With who for the first one?

   15. JRJoe Rogan41:10

       When you look at your first fight in the UFC when you fought Volkan Oezdemir-

   16. JPJiří Procházka41:13

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan41:13

       ... and now you look at yourself now in the, the most spectacular performance against Jamahal Hill, do you see the improvement?

   18. JPJiří Procházka41:20

       Right now I can say yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan41:21

       Yeah.

   20. JPJiří Procházka41:22

       Yeah. Because there was a... With Volkan Oezdemir there was just a pure, raw power, r- raw, uh, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan41:30

       Aggression.

   22. JPJiří Procházka41:31

       Aggression, aggression, but not so, um-

   23. JRJoe Rogan41:35

       Refined.

   24. JPJiří Procházka41:35

       Re- yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan41:36

       Yeah.

   26. JPJiří Procházka41:36

       Yeah. So, yeah. (laughs) You can see that in the fight, man. There was, that was just a pure, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan41:44

       Chaos.

   28. JPJiří Procházka41:45

       Pure chaos, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan41:46

       Yeah.

   30. JPJiří Procházka41:47

       I was too, too, too much... Sometimes it's the self-confident, like when you are too much self-confident, it's a bad thing. Yeah. Like, because ego will took you to another, another line and it will, uh, it will destroy you.
9. 59:11 – 1:09:49

   Respect vs promotion: shit talk as a weapon, authenticity, and post-fight unity

   1. JRJoe Rogan59:11

      Yeah. Um, I, it was nice seeing you and Jamahal Hill out after the fight having a drink together. That was nice to see.

   2. JPJiří Procházka59:16

      Yeah. (laughs) I, I, I bought him the, like, my original drink what I'm drinking, the vodka, vodka soda lime. And, uh, I told him like, uh, "We fight together. We drink together."

   3. JRJoe Rogan59:34

      (laughs)

   4. JPJiří Procházka59:34

      "Let's go, let's go for that." (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan59:37

      (laughs)

   6. JPJiří Procházka59:37

      Yeah, because, man, we are, everybody, we are, we are one.

   7. JRJoe Rogan59:42

      We are one.

   8. JPJiří Procházka59:42

      In, in, in the end-

   9. JRJoe Rogan59:43

      Yeah.

   10. JPJiří Procházka59:43

       ... there is no enemy, even if you, even with, with your, the baddest enemy of the world. Man, it was a good life, it was a good fight. Let's drink together.

   11. JRJoe Rogan59:56

       Yeah.

   12. JPJiří Procházka59:56

       Let's celebrate together. That's all.

   13. JRJoe Rogan59:58

       Was it cool? Was it cool hanging out with him?

   14. JPJiří Procházka1:00:00

       That wa- was, that was cool. That's something what, what, what I like to, to do with my opponents, whoever won or lo- you, you win, you lose, whatever. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

       Mm-hmm. That's great.

   16. JPJiří Procházka1:00:13

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

       It was just, it's always nice to see. There's one thing that people really do love about a great fight is afterwards when the guys hug.

   18. JPJiří Procházka1:00:20

       Yeah, but still, still, I don't like to, to speak about opponent in some way, in some bad way before the fight.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       Right.

   20. JPJiří Procházka1:00:32

       And after fight, change it. Like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Right.

   22. JPJiří Procházka1:00:36

       ... it does not exist. It-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Right.

   24. JPJiří Procházka1:00:37

       And right now, we are the friends and everything good, man. Please.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Yeah.

   26. JPJiří Procházka1:00:43

       Let's be honest. You talk shit about me-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       (laughs) Yeah.

   28. JPJiří Procházka1:00:46

       Talk shit about me. All right, okay, so-... you are the motherfucker, but doesn't matter. Let's drink together. You are who you are. I am who I am. Let's drink together. But stay, stay honest-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Right.

   30. JPJiří Procházka1:00:59

       ... man.
10. 1:09:49 – 1:26:01

    Weight cutting and rules reform: classes, judging, cages, and safer gloves

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:09:49

       Have you thought about that? I know y- there was some talk about that at one point in time.

    2. JPJiří Procházka1:09:52

       Yes. Yes, I thought, I thought about that but, uh, the main thing for me is right now I see the way in lightweight because I'm this m- one of the strongest guy in, uh, in the, in this division, and I still feel like there is a way in, uh, in lightweight. And I said to myself, like, "Okay, you can go to the middleweight, but first, show the consistency in lightweight. Take a belt, then you can... With a belt from lightweight, you can fight for the belt from, for middleweight, in middleweight."

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:10:33

       Mm-hmm. To be a double champion, yeah.

    4. JPJiří Procházka1:10:35

       So yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:10:36

       Well, psh- you know, it's interesting because weight cutting is, uh, in my opinion, the worst aspect of the sport. Josh Barnett was just talking about this. He was on the Ariel Helwani Show-

    6. JPJiří Procházka1:10:48

       Hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:10:48

       ... and he was talking about-

    8. JPJiří Procházka1:10:49

       Hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:10:49

       ... the dangers of weight cutting in reference to Arman Tsarukyan's-

    10. JPJiří Procházka1:10:53

        Hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:10:53

        ... uh, having to pull out of that fight. Arman is big.

    12. JPJiří Procházka1:10:56

        Big, yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:10:56

        He's big. When I stand next to him, I cannot believe-

    14. JPJiří Procházka1:10:59

        Yeah. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:10:59

        ... he makes 155. He's very muscular, very dense, and very lean.

    16. JPJiří Procházka1:11:04

        Hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:11:05

        And so for him to make 155, it must be an absolutely brutal weight cut. I gotta think he weighs 180 easy-

    18. JPJiří Procházka1:11:12

        Hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:11:12

        ... maybe more.

    20. JPJiří Procházka1:11:13

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:11:13

        You know, he's big. And I think off, when he's out of camp, I bet he weighs closer to 200. I mean, he's fucking thick, man.

    22. JPJiří Procházka1:11:20

        Why they-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:11:21

        So for a guy like that...

    24. JPJiří Procházka1:11:21

        Why they do that? Why they don't fighting-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:11:24

        I don't know. Uh-

    26. JPJiří Procházka1:11:24

        ... in, uh, in, in, uh, in, uh, uh-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:11:28

        A higher weight class?

    28. JPJiří Procházka1:11:29

        In a higher weight class, yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:11:29

        Well, the thing is at that weight class, Islam Makhachev is so fucking good.

    30. JPJiří Procházka1:11:36

        Mm-hmm.
11. 1:26:01 – 2:01:59

    Flow vs “downloaded skills”: spontaneous techniques, hair ‘antenna,’ and being present

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:26:01

       Yeah. They think they're gonna be able to do that now. This is a, uh, they ... I was just reading an article about that, and they were comparing it to Neo in the Matrix. They think they're going to be able to download skills into people's brains.

    2. JPJiří Procházka1:26:12

       Man, it's, uh-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:26:13

       Which sucks.

    4. JPJiří Procházka1:26:14

       This is ... No. I-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:26:15

       But it sucks-

    6. JPJiří Procházka1:26:16

       It sucks. It's, it's a, I think-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:26:17

       ... because I want them to learn the way you learned.

    8. JPJiří Procházka1:26:18

       I think, no, man. There is a, the ego, the force.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:26:23

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JPJiří Procházka1:26:23

        The force. We will do that by, I will take it and this, there it is. Me-

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:26:29

        Dimitri.

    12. JPJiří Procházka1:26:30

        It, yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:26:30

        How's Dimitri doing? The snake.

    14. JPJiří Procházka1:26:31

        Oh, Dimitri, hey.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:26:34

        (laughs)

    16. JPJiří Procházka1:26:34

        And instead of, like, to take a, take a, uh, find a real snake and whatever, I, I, I, I cannot de- descri- describe-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:26:43

        I know what you're saying.

Episode duration: 2:08:04