JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiri Prochazka

Jiří Procházka 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeats)

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Great to have you in, man.

Jiří Procházka 0:13 Yeah, great to be here. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:14 How you feeling? You must be feeling fantastic.

Jiří Procházka 0:17 Uh, many things, uh, were successful, so even if I, like, was a little bit, uh, had a flu, uh, many things-

Joe Rogan 0:29 You had the flu before that fight?

Jiří Procházka 0:30 Mm-hmm. Yeah, for one, one week, like, five, five days, five day- five days before fight week, I was in, uh, uh, like... How to say that? Uh, uh, heat, like body is warm.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Fever?

Jiří Procházka 0:44 Fever. Fever. Yeah, fever.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 0:46 So, (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 That's crazy.

Jiří Procházka 0:48 That was, that was, yeah. That was something what I- But every time, maybe I'm little bit glad for that, because I'm every time trying to push my preparation too much-

Joe Rogan 1:01 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:01 ... that I am every time, like, hurt myself or, or I'm overtrained.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:07 So, so that's why I'm maybe, maybe just a little bit glad for that.

Joe Rogan 1:12 Y- That's interesting, right? Like, it's, it's so hard, because you wanna prepare so hard, you, you're so disciplined, so driven, but you can do yourself a disservice. You can go too far, and then you don't recover enough, and then you go into the fight a little compromised.

Jiří Procházka 1:28 Yep. That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Yeah, we've seen that many times with fighters-

Jiří Procházka 1:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:31 ... who just get so enthusiastic about their training.

Jiří Procházka 1:33 Yeah. I- 'Cause I feel like self-confidence, and still, there is something what you can do better, yeah? Every day.

Joe Rogan 1:45 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:45 And that's my idea of, of the training, life, life idea, to, to, to go better every day, 1% better, 1% better.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:54 Even if you don't, if you can't train, you can sit in a meditation and visualize how you train, how the, how this body's working.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 2:06 But sometimes, is the most, uh, biggest, like, the biggest thing what you can do is just-

Joe Rogan 2:17 Rest.

Jiří Procházka 2:17 ... like, like you show me the floating.

Joe Rogan 2:20 Yes. Yeah, you need one of those, man.

Jiří Procházka 2:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:23 If... All the people that I know-

Jiří Procházka 2:24 That's right.

Joe Rogan 2:24 ... you nee- you need one.

Jiří Procházka 2:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Sensory deprivation tank.

Jiří Procházka 2:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:27 You should get one of those.

Jiří Procházka 2:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:29 'Cause I know you're into meditation. I know you spend a lot of time in dark rooms. That's-

Jiří Procházka 2:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:33 That's meditation times 100.

Jiří Procházka 2:35 That's right.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Do you monitor your heart rate every day to see what your recovery's at? Or you just go by feel?

Jiří Procházka 2:42 Feeling.

Joe Rogan 2:42 Feeling?

Jiří Procházka 2:43 Feeling, feeling. I did that in, uh, high altitude training in, uh, all the November in, uh, Mexico, Mexico City, where is, uh, 2,300, 200 meters-

Joe Rogan 2:56 Yeah, 7,700 feet above sea level-

Jiří Procházka 2:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:59 ... I believe.

Jiří Procházka 2:59 Yes. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 3:00 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 3:01 ... there I, there I monitored, monitor everything, like take a blood exams before, in, and after the, this camp, four weeks camp there. And man, amazing, amazing how the-

Joe Rogan 3:14 Well, your endurance was incredible in that fight, because that was such a high-

Jiří Procházka 3:18 And still.

Joe Rogan 3:19 ... paced fight.

Jiří Procházka 3:21 S- and still. I, I felt like, uh, after that flu, I felt (laughs) a little bit down. But-

Joe Rogan 3:29 Well, that's pretty amazing, then. You must've been in-

Jiří Procházka 3:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:31 ... insane shape before the flu. Yeah. It's that-

Jiří Procházka 3:35 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 3:35 ... fine line, that balance.

Jiří Procházka 3:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:37 But yeah, you... So you went to Mexico City. Did you, did you know a gym up there, or did you bring your camp up there?

Jiří Procházka 3:44 Uh, I was there in, uh, UFC Performance Institute there.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Oh.

Jiří Procházka 3:48 There's a, there is a new one.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Nice.

Jiří Procházka 3:50 And, yeah, you have everything here in-

Joe Rogan 3:53 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 3:53 ... in the Performance Institute, like regeneration-

Joe Rogan 3:55 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 3:55 ... training, coaches, uh, coaches with the pads.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Mmm.

Jiří Procházka 4:00 And, uh, so, uh, I was there for, especially for, uh, to work on, on the things what I, what I took from the last fight with Pereira, to, to work on, on the hands up a little bit.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 4:17 Eh, just a little bit.

Joe Rogan 4:18 (laughs) A little bit. But we were talking about it in the broadcast, your hands down sometimes has a benefit. There's a, there's a real-

Jiří Procházka 4:26 That's right.

Joe Rogan 4:26 ... advantage to it, because no one sees where those punches are coming from.

Jiří Procházka 4:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:30 So for the people that don't know what-

Jiří Procházka 4:32 Not just-

Joe Rogan 4:32 ... you're talking about-

Jiří Procházka 4:33 Not just punches.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 4:34 Movement, movement, head movement.

Joe Rogan 4:35 Movement. Head movement was excellent.

Jiří Procházka 4:37 E- Everything. And-

Joe Rogan 4:38 Your head movement was excellent.

Jiří Procházka 4:39 And the feeling, feeling, uh, with the hands up is another one with the, that, uh, with the hands, with the hands down.

Joe Rogan 4:51 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 4:51 Yeah, because this is your, uh, natural posture.

Joe Rogan 4:54 Right.

Jiří Procházka 4:54 Yeah. So, uh, you spend the mo- more, most of the time in, in this. And, uh, it's, it, it's about just, uh, just, uh, feeling the space, feeling the... I, I can't explain to, to another person like this one, because, uh, when I am, when I am in, in the flow, like you wanna be in the flow in the fight, some between the flow and, uh, uncomfortable-

Joe Rogan 5:19 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 5:19 ... some- somewhere in the center. So when I achieved this attitude, that's why I don't need to keep my hands up, because this, for me, means, and for everybody, that means defending.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 5:34 I don't need to defend myself when I see, when I see everything, when I feel everything. And, um, but, like, I understand in this preparation, m- where I tried, where I did all the camp hands up, like, this gives you the calm.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 5:54 In, uh, in the close distance. In the close distance, it's not so, uh-... uh, sometimes. It's not so f-smart to, to keep-

Joe Rogan 6:04 Hands down.

Jiří Procházka 6:05 ... han- hands down. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:06 Right. So, but at that range-

Jiří Procházka 6:07 But I'm crazy, I'm crazy enough to, to go through, to be in the moment, to stress my body so much in this situation to see every movement, every start of the movement of my opponent that I can react before he start. And the next level is to try to, (clicks tongue) to, to, uh, to read, uh, read, uh, the thinking of the opponent, what he wants to do-

Joe Rogan 6:39 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 6:39 ... before he do that.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 6:41 So, so there is, uh, many levels of, of that. So, but sometimes I can't do, explain that. Sometimes, uh, like in the s-second fight with Pereira, I was little bit, uh, punched, uh, in the, in the, (clicks tongue) in the, uh, in the end of the first round, so I stepped to the second round, and I f- and I said to myself, I was too courageous t- and keep the hands down. So, so that's why it happened. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Where you should've been more defensive, maybe, to recover.

Jiří Procházka 7:13 Yeah. Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 7:14 One thing you said after that fight, you said, "You have to evolve." And one thing that I saw in this last fight with Jamal Hill was evolution. I really saw it. Really see it. Like, the counters, the m- the head movement and the counters were brilliant. There's one that, uh, I put on my Instagram stories. It was so incredible. Y- uh, he threw a punch, you slid slightly out of the way, landed a straight left, and then the right hook that dropped him. But it was so dynamic. It was so fast and precise. I was like, "That's a different Jiri Prochazka." Like, the, your earlier fights were always excellent. You always had amazing power and very unusual movement, very difficult to predict. But the sharpness of your counters was on another level in this fight.

Jiří Procházka 8:03 That's what I want, uh-

Joe Rogan 8:04 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 8:04 ... to be not just, uh, connect to the opponent and react what's happen right now, but little bit, uh, be a little bit bef-before what, what will happen.

Joe Rogan 8:17 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 8:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Well, you're, you're definitely getting better, which is so fascinating. You know? So you, you had a very brilliant approach. You waited until you had reached a certain level before you entered the UFC.

Jiří Procházka 8:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:29 You could've been in the UFC years earlier.

Jiří Procházka 8:31 Yeah. Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Jiří Procházka 9:43 But, um, and I have to say thank you to my, uh, to my coaches for that because we worked, uh, on my style. We are consultat- consulting, like, communicate about, about that style, what to make a better, uh, how to, how to do that.

Joe Rogan 9:59 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 9:59 That's why I'm keeping, uh, like, my two coaches, uh, what I began with, began with, um, like, all the time-

Joe Rogan 10:09 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 10:09 ... with, with me because I think that's, that's the only thing you can go, uh, to be a master with i-in something, to stay with, uh, with some people, with some, uh-

Joe Rogan 10:24 A tight circle.

Jiří Procházka 10:25 ... yeah, tight circle-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 10:26 ... in a sum and go deeper. You can go really deep.

Joe Rogan 10:30 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 10:30 Yeah, so ...

Joe Rogan 10:31 It's also I value loyalty. Loyalty is very important.

Jiří Procházka 10:34 And this is it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:36 It means a lot, you know?

Jiří Procházka 10:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:37 And when people worked really hard to get you to a certain level, what I like is there's some coaches that they recognize that maybe there's other skillsets they can bring in, so they work with other people as well.

Jiří Procházka 10:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:49 You know? But always stay with the people that brought you... As long as the relationship is good, always stay with the people that brought you to the game.

Jiří Procházka 10:55 Yeah, sure, sure. Because in the end, (laughs) you can ch- you can change whoever, but you, you, you have to start again with, with the same people and go... And again you will go to the same level, to the same problems with the, with these people because not... It's, it's... Because it's not about them, it's always about you to recognize what's in you.

Joe Rogan 11:19 How much tape do you watch? Do you watch a lot of film? Do you watch videos of fights?

Jiří Procházka 11:23 Yeah. Many. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah?

Jiří Procházka 11:25 I was five days sick becau-before the fight, so, so I, I just watched, uh, fi-Spartans (laughs) 300-

Joe Rogan 11:34 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 11:34 Yeah, uh, Ong Bak I watch.

Joe Rogan 11:36 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 11:37 Ong Bak 1. Man, he ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:39 That's wild shit.

Jiří Procházka 11:40 Yeah. No, no wild shit, but why mo- I was really in-inspired. I, I, I was really hungry for, to, to see something because long time I didn't see, uh, uh, some good... Not good movie. It doesn't matter if it's, like, good or new, but these old classics-

Joe Rogan 11:59 Mm.

Jiří Procházka 11:59 ... all the fighting, Jean-Claude Van Damme with, uh, Kickboxera and all these things.

Joe Rogan 12:03 (laughs) Oh, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 12:04 That's what-... that's what, uh, made a spark in- inside me-

Joe Rogan 12:10 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 12:11 ... to a true love for martial arts because they... in the mo- in that movies, they live that, really live that. The inhale, n- and they have no other chance to, to solve their problems, just, just by martial arts and something... So that's, that's why I'm-

Joe Rogan 12:28 So you got inspired by movies?

Jiří Procházka 12:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Do you watch a lot of films of fight footage? Like your fights, your opponent's fights?

Jiří Procházka 12:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Yeah?

Jiří Procházka 12:35 Yeah. But I don't need to... I don't need many times to, to study that. I just need to, like, see once. Once I, I just see the atti- like, attitude of the start of the fight. How he's fighting, his... how to say, his spirit, his mindset, how he's thinking, how he's, uh, the start of moving of his body.

Joe Rogan 12:57 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 12:57 How he's reacting for, not just for opponent, for the many situation, for slipping and, and, um, movement, but, uh, everything. Like per- personal and studying the, the, that guy, not-

Joe Rogan 13:14 His energy.

Jiří Procházka 13:15 ... e- ju- his energy, his vibe, how he's, how he's re- reacting, how he's react in a, in a, in some situation like these eye pokes and all these things, like some sp- some breaks in the fight. Every, every time.

Joe Rogan 13:31 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 13:31 Because it shows you how he have under control himself all the time. All the time.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 13:41 And this is something was Alex Pereira, I don't know what, what is his story behind, but he have to... he handled that. He handled that and that's why he is how he is. Now he's starting to be more relaxed and I wish him to, to stay sharp.

Joe Rogan 14:03 Well, I think he's more relaxed outside the fight, but in the fight-

Jiří Procházka 14:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:07 ... he's always very calm.

Jiří Procházka 14:08 Yep, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Very calm and very focused.

Jiří Procházka 14:10 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah. Did you watch your first fight with him before you watched the second f- before you fought him the second time?

Jiří Procházka 14:18 Yes, sure, sure. Yeah. I, I studied him a lot, but the second fight, I, I, I little push it too much. Like, like-

Joe Rogan 14:30 Too aggressive?

Jiří Procházka 14:31 No, no, no. I mean, my, uh, like-

Joe Rogan 14:33 Training?

Jiří Procházka 14:34 Mm. After the fight, I was like, "I want Alex Pereira after. I'm ready for him." Right now, I'm ready too, but I'm open for, for whoever will... uh, UFC will give me like a, uh, like a, like a next opponent to prove that I am... But I want a, a true challenge. Like, I want a true challenge of... from the, I think, top five guys. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Right. The, the interesting thing about the light heavyweight division is, um, there's, there's only about five really exciting contenders, four or five really exci- it's... there's not a deep pool of fighters that would be, you know, very interesting to see you fight.

Jiří Procházka 15:18 That's right, because there is a... like I said today, there's a few guys who really have the taste, have the drive-

Joe Rogan 15:30 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 15:31 ... to, to go to the top. I wanna go to the top. I wanna take it. I have the... I feel the energy of the crown and I can take it.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 15:40 So... And, uh, that's why (laughs) , that's why I'm, I'm, I'm doing that. That's why I'm still talking about that to be there, because I really feel that, that I can be the top. And one thing what I needed is that I had to be stable. Stable to... not just get to the top and back and out, but to go to the top and know how, how it is to be there. Know to, uh, to, to keep the... all these weights on the top.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 16:24 What it... what the... what there is, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:26 Yeah. Defending the title is more difficult even than, than getting the title. And then it's improving while you're champion.

Jiří Procházka 16:35 That's right, that's right.

Joe Rogan 16:36 You know they say that... Daniel Cormier always says that every champion improves, like, significantly once they become champion because you have the confidence of being champion. And it's just, how long can you maintain the kind of energy that's required to constantly get better?

Jiří Procházka 16:50 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 16:51 'Cause it's not just about maintaining, right? It's about constantly improving, so constant an- analysis of all your movements-

Jiří Procházka 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 ... and, and what you're doing right-

Jiří Procházka 16:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:59 ... and what you... mistakes that were made-

Jiří Procházka 17:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:02 ... and what the thought process was before the mistake and how to eliminate that.

Jiří Procházka 17:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 17:06 This is, this is something what, what is... like I said, the style of Japanese, they, they call that kaizen.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 17:15 Kaizen. Like, daily improvements.

Joe Rogan 17:17 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 17:17 Small improvements, daily recognizing what's bad, what's good.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 17:21 And, uh, sometimes it is... like I feel, I feel like it's, uh, like, like a sick... like, to be obs- too much obsess in that.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 17:28 Man, you need a little break. That's, that's why I think the, the life gave me this, uh, little break before this-

Joe Rogan 17:37 The little flu.

Jiří Procházka 17:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 Yeah. Was that why you came in so light?

Jiří Procházka 17:42 Y- m- yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Was that why?

Jiří Procházka 17:43 Tha- tho- that was that. That was why, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:44 'Cause I was watching a video with Luke Thomas who was going over your performance and everybody was very impressed and he was as well, but one of the things that he was talking about was that you only weighed 208 pounds-

Jiří Procházka 17:54 Yeah, you don't...

Joe Rogan 17:55 ... when you walked into the cage.

Jiří Procházka 17:57 I thought I will do the... my best when I would go to the sauna night before the weigh-in.... and, and spend there. And again, I, I changed... I switched myself in the sauna and I was there, like, for two hours.

Joe Rogan 18:14 Oh, no. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 18:15 And another like... Another just... Like 15 minutes, 15, 15, like many rounds.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Right, right, right.

Jiří Procházka 18:20 Yeah? Two hours there and-

Joe Rogan 18:22 Do you do sauna cold or just sauna relax?

Jiří Procházka 18:24 Wa- Relax, relax.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Yeah. Okay.

Jiří Procházka 18:27 Uh, no, no, no. Uh, sauna cold, sauna cold, sauna-

Joe Rogan 18:30 Okay. So-

Jiří Procházka 18:30 ... and cold-

Joe Rogan 18:31 And then you go back in the sauna?

Jiří Procházka 18:32 Yes, sure.

Joe Rogan 18:33 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 18:33 And cold normally, like, uh, the cold, cold punch.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 18:37 I'm, I'm doing that daily because I have the... at home, the cold punch-

Joe Rogan 18:41 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 18:41 ... and I'm using that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Yeah, they're fantastic. Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 18:45 And but the fun is, the second day after that and I didn't drink anything, uh, after the sauna, and next day morning, I went, uh, I went to do, uh, to do control weight and then I have... I don't know, how, how do you say in the libras, 91 kilograms. I, I'm fighting in, I'm fighting in 93-

Joe Rogan 19:10 Right.

Jiří Procházka 19:11 ... and half. (laughs) And I was two and half kilogram under the... my, my weight. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:18 That sounds like 200 pounds.

Jiří Procházka 19:19 So, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 19:20 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 19:20 ... I was the only one guy who, who was in the row to do weights, weigh-in, and I, and I tried to hide myself before other guys-

Joe Rogan 19:29 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 19:30 ... and, and I drink one, one liter, one liter of the (laughs) of the water, a second liter of the w- (laughs) water.

Joe Rogan 19:36 Wow. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 19:38 So-

Joe Rogan 19:38 Just 'cause you didn't wanna weigh in light?

Jiří Procházka 19:39 Because, yeah, I was... Because I spent-

Joe Rogan 19:40 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 19:40 ... too much time in the sauna, man.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Wow.

Jiří Procházka 19:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:43 That's crazy, because you only weighed 208.

Jiří Procházka 19:46 Yeah. I felt really, really like, ugh.

Joe Rogan 19:49 You look great. You look very lean and fast, man. Fast. You look fa- like significantly f- You've always been very fast, but you looked even faster.

Jiří Procházka 19:59 It's just all about this.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Mm.

Jiří Procházka 20:02 Man, man what... If you have the reason why and the, and you can not just you want it, like, your ego just want it, but you feel it like it's your destiny, these moments, and you w- It's yours. So then, then it will happen.

Joe Rogan 20:24 So, do you feel like maybe even the, the fights with Pereira are a blessing, in that it showed you what you need to work on?

Jiří Procházka 20:34 Every time it's... This is the only way how to... how I want to see that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 20:40 Especially, especially the, the guy like him who's really top guy and his, uh, style, his mindset, what he showed till now was something what I needed to work on, still.

Joe Rogan 21:04 Mm.

Jiří Procházka 21:04 Still, I'm on a... I'm on the way. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:06 Well, his style is extraordinary. Um, it's very unusual, as is yours. But the thing that's shocking the most about him is that he only needs to hit you once. He's... Is it much different, the power that you feel from him than anybody else?

Jiří Procházka 21:21 Mm... There is a different from other guys. Yeah. There is a different, but only one thing I can say, like, I know the receep- recipe.

Joe Rogan 21:37 You know the recipe?

Jiří Procházka 21:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:38 What's the recipe?

Jiří Procházka 21:39 What's the recipe? How to... Because you have to, you have to know how to give the punch and how to acs- like, to... how to accept the punches.

Joe Rogan 21:51 How to move with it.

Jiří Procházka 21:52 How to move with it.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 21:53 And, uh, how to overcome the bad moments and all these things. But it's better, much better to defend the, the punch with the hand or defend the, the, uh, the punch with the movement-

Joe Rogan 22:09 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 22:09 ... if you have many... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:10 Did you ever watch, uh, any of his GLORY kickboxing fights?

Jiří Procházka 22:14 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:14 It's a good one to watch the Artem Vakhitov fight.

Jiří Procházka 22:17 Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Yeah. 'Cause Vakhitov's very technical.

Jiří Procházka 22:20 Win. I, I think he won. Yeah, once, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:22 He won a very close decision... It was very close.

Jiří Procházka 22:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:25 It was one of those fights where you could call it either way.

Jiří Procházka 22:27 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:27 But it... But he won. But he's very technical, very interesting to watch him deal with the style of Pereira.

Jiří Procházka 22:34 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:35 'Cause Pereira has such a unusual way of moving.

Jiří Procházka 22:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Like even the way, like holds his hands up and-

Jiří Procházka 22:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:40 ... he l- he looks diff- So do you, you look diff- like, there's only a few fighters that if you saw their silhouette-

Jiří Procházka 22:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:45 ... I can go, (snaps fingers) "Oh, that's Jiri Prochazka."

Jiří Procházka 22:47 Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:47 I could see it right away.

Jiří Procházka 22:48 Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:48 I, I know how you move, you know?

Jiří Procházka 22:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:50 And Alex is that way as well. It's like very unique way of moving. But his, uh, the f- the way Vakhitov handled it is, uh, a good blueprint for a lot of people to avoid the power-

Jiří Procházka 23:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:02 ... and, you know, keep the volume on him.

Jiří Procházka 23:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:05 What was your original style? What did... What was the first martial art that you learned?

Jiří Procházka 23:09 Muay Thai.

Joe Rogan 23:10 Muay Thai.

Jiří Procházka 23:11 Muay Thai. Yeah, I started in, uh, in my high school, I started with karate because that was... it was in a, in our daily, daily schedule.

Joe Rogan 23:19 What kind of karate?

Jiří Procházka 23:21 Uh, Shotokan. Shotokan and, uh, judo, that was two. And I felt like I need, I need something more contact-

Joe Rogan 23:31 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 23:31 ... more, more, um, aggressive. So not aggressive, but more-

Joe Rogan 23:37 More potent.

Jiří Procházka 23:37 ... more potent. Yeah. So I started with Muay Thai, yeah, type of thing.

Joe Rogan 23:41 The most potent.

Jiří Procházka 23:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah. Muay Thai's-

Jiří Procházka 23:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:43 ... fascinating to me that this one island-

Jiří Procházka 23:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:46 ... figured out how to fight better than anybody on the feet.

Jiří Procházka 23:49 Yeah. That's right. That's right.

Joe Rogan 23:50 And a lot of it they did it through gambling.

Jiří Procházka 23:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:52 That's a lot of it-

Jiří Procházka 23:53 That's right.

Joe Rogan 23:53 ... because they're so into gambling that they had so many fights and then people just fought a lot-

Jiří Procházka 23:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:57 ... and then they're like, "What works best?"

Jiří Procházka 23:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:59 And then they figured it out.

Jiří Procházka 24:00 Yeah. And right now after watching Ong Bak... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:03 (laughs) Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 24:04 I'm ju- I'm just still realizing what is the, what is the-... best style, what is the best movements-

Joe Rogan 24:14 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 24:15 ... best deadly techniques, what to do, uh, and, uh, right now after (laughs) the watch the long back, I, I see the Muay Boran, right?

Joe Rogan 24:25 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 24:25 Right, uh, like my next chapter to what I want to see real-

Joe Rogan 24:30 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 24:31 ... real, like, uh, in, uh, in Thailand. To see really how to use that, and how to, how to... Because I'm the man who's, like, taking the piece here, taking the piece here-

Joe Rogan 24:42 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 24:42 ... and making-

Joe Rogan 24:44 Combining it all together.

Jiří Procházka 24:45 ... com- yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 24:46 All together. Yep.

Joe Rogan 24:47 So, uh, do... Have you trained in Thailand?

Jiří Procházka 24:50 Thailand.

Joe Rogan 24:51 In Thailand?

Jiří Procházka 24:51 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 Yeah, cool.

Jiří Procházka 24:52 Just a little before, like, (inhales deeply) um, three weeks there before, uh, before the title fight with Teixeira. Then I was there with, uh, for camp. Yeah. Phuket, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:05 The, uh, one of the-

Jiří Procházka 25:07 Bangtao, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:07 One of the greatest knockouts that you had was that Dominic Reyes spinning elbow, which is beautiful Muay Thai.

Jiří Procházka 25:13 Flow, that's it.

Joe Rogan 25:14 Oh.

Jiří Procházka 25:14 Yeah, that's it.

Joe Rogan 25:14 Beautiful flow. It's like you just timed that out. That was a real c- coming out party for you, that fight. 'Cause that was when people were like, "My God, like, this guy."

Jiří Procházka 25:24 Yeah, always find a way, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Yeah. When you, um, first started fighting in MMA, was this something... Uh, first of all, how old were you when you had your first fight?

Jiří Procházka 25:34 Uh, when I was... First fight, in my 18, 19, 19-

Joe Rogan 25:41 And were you looking at it as a career?

Jiří Procházka 25:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Yeah, right from the beginning? Were you looking at it to do, that was what you wanted to do professionally?

Jiří Procházka 25:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 Yeah? Right, right away?

Jiří Procházka 25:51 Right away, yeah. It's from, uh, 2020. A- around my 20, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:55 You knew you wanted to be a championship fighter?

Jiří Procházka 25:57 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 25:58 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 25:58 Because that was something what, when I, I was ins- too inspired by, by, because, uh, I was a young guy who's tried to, to challenge everything around himself. Everything. Every man, every situations, everywhere. I'll, I will, I am better than this. I am better than this.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Ah.

Jiří Procházka 26:22 Better than a- a- any... Maybe not the school. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:26 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 26:26 Just, just not in the school.

Joe Rogan 26:28 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 26:29 But I like the fighting. I, I, I fall in love in, uh, with the fighting, with, uh, looking for, finding my biggest strength. And, uh, that's, that's the why I'm, I'm, I'm going every time to the nature.

Joe Rogan 26:48 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 26:48 To sleeping in the mountains. To, um, that's why I'm living in the cottage to be in the contact with the nature. To feel the present moment and the rare natural power of the, of the water, fire, of all these things. Of the sun.

Joe Rogan 27:05 Yeah. Yeah, I w- I was gonna ask you about that. Like, when did you start this training in nature? Because, uh, when you look at your set-up that you have at your place, and everything's outside. You know, you put pads over trees, and you, you punch and kick trees.

Jiří Procházka 27:20 Yeah, sometimes it's, sometimes it looks, looks, looks weird. But, but, you know ... (inhales deeply) Wow. Uh, I don't like to, to tr- I don't like. Right now I, I realize I, I need to. I want, I ... Right now I want to overcome the, the people demands, the, the sparring partners in the tr- in the training. But, like, in my personal way, uh, I was inspired by (laughs) ... Once, I was being inspired by, uh, Masutatsu Oyama-

Joe Rogan 27:52 Hmm.

Jiří Procházka 27:52 ... who was the founder of, uh, Kyokushinkai karate.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 27:56 And I saw his movie, and how he spent, uh, more than one year, one and a half year, in the mountains, and he trained just in the mountains under the waterfall in the winter, uh, in the winter. And he made, from himsel- a really, really something, like unshakable mind, self-confidence so deep. Because he, he found a way how to overcome, how to rule his body. How to ... He's, uh, describing that in his book, like, the mind without the thinking. Like, without the thoughts.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 28:46 Pure mind, pure focus.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 28:49 Pure consciousness, right here, right now. And I took that, uh, like, my own way. And, and I think it was year 2014, 2015, and I took everything in myself. I s- I took a tent, tent. Yeah. And I, and I went to the, to the mountains. To the mountains, and I slept there for, just for, like, one week, two weeks. One healthy... Yeah. And I, I was inspired too much, so I did the same thing. I ran there, and I punched to the, uh, to the rock.

Joe Rogan 29:31 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 29:31 And, uh, yeah. And, uh, yeah. And I just, and I just want to fight with the environment. Like, with the-

Joe Rogan 29:40 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 29:40 ... with the nature around me. And in the end, you can realize there is no fighting. There is nothing. Just... This is the pure life, because this is the pure life. Because the pure... The life has the one reason to overcome everything around, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 30:00 Survive.

Jiří Procházka 30:01 ... survive, survive, survive. And this is the n- this is the nature, what is in us.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 30:07 So this is... And as deeper you can go in this, uncomfortable, uh, environment, and all these things-... that deep you can, uh, understand the life and, like, be a philosopher a- about that, like-

Joe Rogan 30:27 Hmm.

Jiří Procházka 30:27 ... understa- understand more deeply and, I don't know how to say it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:32 No, you're saying it right.

Jiří Procházka 30:33 It's a-

Joe Rogan 30:33 Yeah, I, I understand what you're saying, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 30:34 So that's why. So I was inspired by the Masutatsu Oyama, and then that's why I decide after the second fight with Alex, I need to go to Japan. To Japan, to the places, to make a black belt from Kyokushinkai karate and really feel, um, all these things like a realist, realist. Not just think about, uh, how it can be, how, how is this style can be, but to live that.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Hmm.

Jiří Procházka 31:07 That's it.

Joe Rogan 31:08 (sighs)

Jiří Procházka 31:08 Because I like, like to take an inspiration and take it and go there. Uh, fight that, fight that guy, uh, live that ex- experience, yeah? This is it. This is-

Joe Rogan 31:22 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 31:23 Yeah.

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Joe Rogan 32:40 Well, you're v- obviously very physically talented, but I think one of the things that does separate you from other fighters is this mindset that you've cultivated and that you embrace, and I think th- I think-

Jiří Procházka 32:52 It's the only way.

Joe Rogan 32:52 ... it's also l- something fascinating about the fact that you do do it outside. I think that scares people. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 32:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 I think there's something about e- the fact-

Jiří Procházka 33:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:00 ... that you like to be fighting in nature and p- punching trees, like, it's some-

Jiří Procházka 33:04 Because, because I'm coming, like, from, from, uh, from a, from one village where was there a lot of, like, good guys, (sighs) but everybody, we a- we were, um, we are still, like, really crazy. When we are celebrating it's all the time about... Right now, we are trying to slow down to, to show others like we are an adults, like, we, we know we are the mans, but still it's about, like, the showing the, the strength.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 33:35 How, what to, what to destroy, how to, how to punch other guy-

Joe Rogan 33:41 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 33:41 ... how to, how to showing the s- the strength-

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 33:44 ... uh, above others.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 33:45 And so, uh, and, uh, when s- when there was, when there started, uh, on the... Okay, I can say it. When, when on these parties started level of, like, it was really dangerous, uh, fire and firearms and, and- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:07 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 34:07 ... and, and, uh, and, uh, cars and-

Joe Rogan 34:09 Oh, Jesus.

Jiří Procházka 34:09 ... and the f- fire and it was not safe.

Joe Rogan 34:12 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 34:12 Then I said, "Guys, okay, we are the man. Let's-" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:17 Be mature.

Jiří Procházka 34:18 Let's, yeah, please.

Joe Rogan 34:19 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 34:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Take it down a notch.

Jiří Procházka 34:21 Because-

Joe Rogan 34:21 Somebody could die.

Jiří Procházka 34:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 34:24 And that's something what you, what you have to realize, and these, these essence of a f- a looking for a strength, these something, uh, these true madness, like, like, whe- when I see these, uh, this picture.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Oh, that picture?

Jiří Procházka 34:46 Of, oh, of that and, and it's remembered me that when I saw that when I came here.

Joe Rogan 34:51 The JRE logo.

Jiří Procházka 34:52 Yeah, yeah, the logo. Yeah, and when I saw the, it, it remembered me like, yes, go through, going through all the time, choose the, choose the hardest way and go through, overcome whatever and show you are the, you are the boss. Yeah, and-

Joe Rogan 35:10 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 35:11 ... and this is, (sighs) this is it. This is why, um, I'm... I came from that place where we are try to, to show each other this one and I trying to give it-

Joe Rogan 35:27 Carry that energy.

Jiří Procházka 35:28 ... carry that energy and put it in the, oh, in the calm way-

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 35:34 ... to, to, to show it in the, in the cage and, uh, that's why the samurai ideas, the bushido, codex helping me in that to, to show it, that's all.

Joe Rogan 35:46 I understand. And, and then you feel that in training in nature and then experiencing the wild and getting it out there, it becomes even more pure because you recognize that all around you is survival.

Jiří Procházka 36:00 Yeah. That's, that's right.

Joe Rogan 36:02 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 36:03 Yeah. (laughs) Thank you.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 36:04 Thank you, y- you, you, you are on the wave now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:07 Yeah. We're on the same wave, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 36:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:09 So when, what year did you start doing this training in the wild?

Jiří Procházka 36:13 Like I said, in, uh-

Joe Rogan 36:14 2014?

Jiří Procházka 36:15 2014, yeah, like I was, I started, was inspired by, by Masutatsu Oyama and-... then I realized it's not about opponents, man. It's about just your body, just about ru- rule your body. How much you can, you can rule your body, rule your mind, rule your emotions, logical state of, of thinking, yeah, to, uh, find the way how to not overcome, how to rule your breath because this is the, this is it. This is the way. And, uh, because this is the most primal thing of the body, yeah, for as... When the child is born, like (inhales sharply) first is breath. Everything is like... You can, uh, you can, uh, settle by, by the breath in, in the body. Not just by thoughts and over... The thinking and thoughts is like, uh, a great, uh, serve, but a bad b- boss.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Hmm.

Jiří Procházka 37:27 Yeah. Really. So-

Joe Rogan 37:28 So it serves you well, but it's, you can't let it control you.

Jiří Procházka 37:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 37:31 So there's many levels what you have to, uh, what you have to rule in your, in your body, what you have to understand and put it in, put it in one way in the, in the present moment. So... (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:51 So you had your first fights when you were around 18, 19?

Jiří Procházka 37:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:56 And then, uh, how long... When did you decide that you were ready for the UFC and how did you make that decision? 'Cause I, I do know that you were offered fights before-

Jiří Procházka 38:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:05 ... but you said, "I want more development time."

Jiří Procházka 38:07 That wa- that was in the s- some- somewhere in the center of, mmm, between in my sixth, seventh fight in Rizin. So around the year 2- 2017 to '18.

Joe Rogan 38:22 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 38:22 Yeah. Some- some- something like that. And, uh, yeah, I realized that, man, there is a, there is a way in the Rizin yeah. Yeah. So I need, I need to... not I need to, I want to take a title here. I wanna prove that I'm the... How to say? Like the King of Japan, like-

Joe Rogan 38:46 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 38:47 ... to, to rule, rule these guys, real- really. And, uh, then I can go to the, to the league of the best, because if you wanna go to the league of the best, better to be prepared for.

Joe Rogan 38:59 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 39:00 And, uh...

Joe Rogan 39:01 Yeah, I think that-

Jiří Procházka 39:01 Tha-

Joe Rogan 39:01 ... happens too often.

Jiří Procházka 39:03 That's why I can't-

Joe Rogan 39:05 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 39:05 ... can't fight for a title in, in three fights, so...

Joe Rogan 39:09 I think, um, boxing has it right, in, in that boxing, uh, they look at fighters, managers look at fighters as an investment. So if you're a manager and you have, like, Floyd Mayweather-

Jiří Procházka 39:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:22 ... you don't give Floyd Mayweather the, the best fight you can get him right away with the toughest guy.

Jiří Procházka 39:27 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 39:28 You wanna see how he performs with a guy who's an inside puncher or body, body puncher who's a brawler. You wanna see how he handles a slick guy-

Jiří Procházka 39:36 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:37 ... like, uh-

Jiří Procházka 39:37 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:37 ... Emmanuel Augustus with unorthodox-

Jiří Procházka 39:39 I see.

Joe Rogan 39:39 ... movement. You wanna... How's he handle Diego Corrales' long tall reach? And you, you build them with fighters that you think... Yo- you gotta know when they're ready.

Jiří Procházka 39:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:50 And then there's, uh, an objective assessment. Okay, he's ready.

Jiří Procházka 39:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Then you start moving him-

Jiří Procházka 39:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:55 ... into top 10 contenders.

Jiří Procházka 39:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Then you move him to a title shot.

Jiří Procházka 39:58 It's good to-

Joe Rogan 39:59 The UFC throws you right to the wolves.

Jiří Procházka 40:00 Yeah, yeah. It's good to, to have this objective view.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 40:04 And if you... I like to, to be, uh, a just a watcher of the, of my progress, of the, of the situation. Think about it, how to plan it, how to, how to see that not, uh, not personally. Just to see yourself as another person and put it in a, in, myself in a way where, uh, where it will be the best for these, for these, uh, targets.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 40:34 And then to go in and do that.

Joe Rogan 40:37 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 40:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:39 And when you... Uh, you had a very quick rise in the UFC to a title fight. So you fought... Was Volkan Oezdemir your first fight?

Jiří Procházka 40:47 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:48 So you beat Volkan Oezdemir, then Dominic Reyes was the second fight.

Jiří Procházka 40:51 Yes. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:51 And then bam, title shot.

Jiří Procházka 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Crazy. So that's the reason to be so prepared.

Jiří Procházka 40:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Because if you're successful, things go very quickly.

Jiří Procházka 41:01 That's right. That's right.

Joe Rogan 41:01 And you have to be ready.

Jiří Procházka 41:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:02 When you look at your first fight with Volkan Oezdemir and then you look at your fight with Jamahal Hill, do you see significant improvement?

Jiří Procházka 41:09 With who for the first one?

Joe Rogan 41:10 When you look at your first fight in the UFC when you fought Volkan Oezdemir-

Jiří Procházka 41:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:13 ... and now you look at yourself now in the, the most spectacular performance against Jamahal Hill, do you see the improvement?

Jiří Procházka 41:20 Right now I can say yes.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 41:22 Yeah. Because there was a... With Volkan Oezdemir there was just a pure, raw power, r- raw, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 41:30 Aggression.

Jiří Procházka 41:31 Aggression, aggression, but not so, um-

Joe Rogan 41:35 Refined.

Jiří Procházka 41:35 Re- yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 41:36 Yeah. So, yeah. (laughs) You can see that in the fight, man. There was, that was just a pure, uh-

Joe Rogan 41:44 Chaos.

Jiří Procházka 41:45 Pure chaos, man.

Joe Rogan 41:46 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 41:47 I was too, too, too much... Sometimes it's the self-confident, like when you are too much self-confident, it's a bad thing. Yeah. Like, because ego will took you to another, another line and it will, uh, it will destroy you.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 42:04 Yeah. It will burn you. So you have to keep that burn, that fire under control and to give the- these, uh, these attacks, these aggressive, aggress- aggressiveness, uh, in just a s- small, uh...... uh, to keep it under control just on-

Joe Rogan 42:27 Yeah. I like what you just said, that ego-

Jiří Procházka 42:30 ... so-

Joe Rogan 42:30 ... will take you to another line.

Jiří Procházka 42:32 Man, it's, it's good to be ... to have it. Like-

Joe Rogan 42:36 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 42:36 ... it's ... We can't live without in this world, with, uh, cooperations, with collaborations, uh, talking, uh, relationships.

Joe Rogan 42:47 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 42:47 You can't live without, but also, you have to cultivate that in, like ... So, there is, uh, two, two worlds, like, uh, like-

Joe Rogan 42:55 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 42:55 ... without in life. So, you have to go in and say-

Joe Rogan 42:58 Yeah, they ha- they have to be working together. The mind and the ego have to be working together.

Jiří Procházka 43:02 Sure.

Joe Rogan 43:02 And the, the no mind, the zen-

Jiří Procházka 43:05 That's right. That's right, yeah. The, the, the around, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:07 ... the staying, the flow. Yeah, and the ego will take you out of the flow.

Jiří Procházka 43:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:09 The ego will like, "Ugh, I'm gonna go fuck him up," and then, boom, you get hit.

Jiří Procházka 43:13 That's right.

Joe Rogan 43:13 Yeah. The, uh, I like what you said, though, about it takes you out of the line 'cause it takes you into a different line. It takes you-

Jiří Procházka 43:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:19 ... in a different line of fighting. And then, sometimes in that line, you'll realize you're out of place. You realize you're leaving openings that shouldn't be there-

Jiří Procházka 43:29 Yeah, good-

Joe Rogan 43:30 ... and you're trying to force.

Jiří Procházka 43:31 Yeah, good force, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 43:32 Force and power and-

Joe Rogan 43:34 Yeah, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 43:35 And good when you y- you said, like, when you realize that it's bad when you don't realize.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 43:41 And sometimes it's good when you have the people around you to, to, man-

Joe Rogan 43:45 Bring you back.

Jiří Procházka 43:46 ... s- bring you back.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 43:47 And that's why, um, sometimes really glad for my team, my people around me-

Joe Rogan 43:51 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 43:52 ... to keep me back.

Joe Rogan 43:53 That's what's amazing about having a coach who knows you, having trainers who know you. They know-

Jiří Procházka 43:58 That's right.

Joe Rogan 43:58 ... ev- they're like, they know where you're at, like, "C- calm down, calm down."

Jiří Procházka 44:01 That's right.

Joe Rogan 44:01 "Everything is great, but y- you're hitting the gas too much. Like, so, uh, be a little more technical, move around more."

Jiří Procházka 44:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:08 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 44:08 But not too much.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Not too much, (laughs) not too much, right.

Jiří Procházka 44:10 (laughs) That's right because sometimes, it's the, this wildness do it, the aggression do-

Joe Rogan 44:14 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 44:14 ... do take over. Like, it's too ne- necessary, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 44:18 Well, that's what I asked you after the fight. I said, "There's something about you where you thrive. You get better when it's chaotic."

Jiří Procházka 44:26 Yup.

Joe Rogan 44:26 There's some, like, y- it seems like you relish in the chaos-

Jiří Procházka 44:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:29 ... of these wild exchanges.

Jiří Procházka 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 It's, it's very ... 'Cause sometimes fighters like to piece people up where they're not getting hit.

Jiří Procházka 44:36 Correct.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Like, Jamal Hill is really good at that, like the Glover Teixeira fight, he did a fantastic job of-

Jiří Procházka 44:40 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:41 ... utilizing his game and his accuracy and reach, and he just put it on Glover.

Jiří Procházka 44:46 Yup, yup.

Joe Rogan 44:46 But they don't want to be in these wild exchanges. You seem to want to be in these wild exchanges 'cause you thrive there.

Jiří Procházka 44:53 Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's right, that's right. And sometimes it's, I don't know where, where is the, where it, these to keeping, uh, yourself and the control is going from. Sometimes it's going from the fear to be not hit, sometimes it's going from to be careful for the take-downs and ... But I wanna be, like, fearless in that, like, to stay behind, uh, stay before the opponent and have no, no fear. No ... You can go as close you wanna ca- as close you want and try to hit me, and you will not hit me because I'm here, and I, and I feel you. I'm ... I got you.

Joe Rogan 45:34 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 45:34 So, I can't explain it, and I don't wanna explain it. I wanna show that in a fight, so, uh-

Joe Rogan 45:39 Right.

Jiří Procházka 45:39 ... so-

Joe Rogan 45:40 I know what you're saying. When you, um ... One of the things that we were talking about, Daniel and I were talking about when we were doing the commentary, was your head movement was so good. It was, it was different than before. It was like at another level. Like, wha- what i- what specifically had you do, had you done to prepare that made your head movement so much better?

Jiří Procházka 46:00 I have, uh, like, long time I'm wo- working on that. Like, since my, mm ... Before I stepped in the UF- no, since my title fight in, uh ... I really ex- I really, uh, exactly know what's, what's, when I ex- started to work on, especially on that because I realized that this is my game. This is really what's me. And, uh, it was around the title fight with, uh, with King Mo Law in Rizin, so that was a s- title, uh, title fight in Rizin. And it's about the, the feeling the opponent, the feel the opponent but not be, uh ... But to not be, uh, how to say? Fu- do not let the f- this feeling to, to, to, to push you in some way.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 46:58 You know? Understand? To, to feel the space, but still be calm, be unshakeable and, uh, you can feel the, the, then you can feel the, uh, the space around you, the everything. And whatever will move right now, you will react for that, and, and, uh, naturally, because you will feel the, the, these, all these things like yours- l- li- like yourself. Like, everything is you.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 47:32 And then, then you can step to the level I'm everywhere because there is no different between me, this, this thing, this thing, the opponent, but still-

Joe Rogan 47:43 Right.

Jiří Procházka 47:43 ... but still ... And that's sometimes why I need to be, uh, why I need to be a little bit hit to feel the aggression back to the fight. That was, that was before the, before the UFC, and I need- I was needed to (slaps leg) to get hit because I need to ... Because I felt him, felt the, felt the movement, felt the right, right movement. Everything was right, but I a- I also needed to be more aggressive to wants it to go through the opponent.

Joe Rogan 48:17 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 48:17 Yeah, because I was too, how to say, too nice, too nice f- for them-

Joe Rogan 48:22 Right.

Jiří Procházka 48:22 ... to just, just, just show them I can sleep and I can move everything. You can't, you don't, you can't hit me, but it, this is not the fight. The fight is to answer to g- to catch him in the, in the right moment.

Joe Rogan 48:35 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 48:36 So-... so yes, to be here and now, to be, like I said, to be everything, but still to not be, oh, pushed by this feeling, like, to be, to be so nice, not too much aggressive, but something in the middle, still control that. It's all about control.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Balance.

Jiří Procházka 49:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:00 I like what you said, like, that there's no difference between you and your opponent. Like, you're not even th- You're just in this flow-

Jiří Procházka 49:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:08 ... of movement and life.

Jiří Procházka 49:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:11 And this thing you're, you're choosing to do-

Jiří Procházka 49:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:14 ... there's no difference between you and them. You're not, you don't even exist.

Jiří Procházka 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 You're just a part of it all.

Jiří Procházka 49:19 Yes. And the bad is, bad for fighting is when you really realized, uh, we are doing this, we are doing, uh, we are fighting each other, and right now, I'm going to, to hurt other person, and you don't s- d- you don't see, uh, really the, the difference between you and him. So, you know-

Joe Rogan 49:44 Right.

Jiří Procházka 49:44 ... what you are doing to, to yourself, but this is the game what we chose.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Right.

Jiří Procházka 49:50 And we are here to, to have a fun, so not just have a fun, to, to live this experience.

Joe Rogan 50:01 To live this experience, and an extreme experience that will teach you about yourself like no other experience.

Jiří Procházka 50:08 Yeah. That's right.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Okay? There's n- If you wanna learn about yourself, go fight.

Jiří Procházka 50:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:12 You'll, you'll really find out. You can-

Jiří Procházka 50:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:14 ... bullshit yourself all you want, but until you fight...

Jiří Procházka 50:16 That's right.

Joe Rogan 50:17 And when you go through a loss, like the losses to Pereira, what, what is your process like of, like, evaluating what went wrong and how to, how to change things?

Jiří Procházka 50:31 What's, what's wrong?

Joe Rogan 50:32 Yeah. Like, how do you, what do you, what's your process? Like, what do you do when you, when you lose a fight and then you come back? Like, what is your thought process? What do you say? "I have to learn. I have to figure out what went wrong."

Jiří Procházka 50:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:44 "Let me..."

Jiří Procházka 50:45 Yeah. After that last, last, uh, the second fight, first time I can, first time in my life I, uh, realized that, man, (inhales deeply) who... That was a really, like... (clicks tongue) I will not say what, what was that, how, how hard it was, because I don't like it. But it was something what I didn't, uh, experience yet. Not, not, like, 'ti- till t- till now. So that time, I really, uh, realized how powerful the meditation and the s- true self-talking with the, um, true, how the true meditation look like, because I have no other chance than to start, uh, stop doing a bullshit, stop doing just pure, uh, inspirational training in the garden, uh, stop doing all the, all these things, and, and start doing just the things what's, what really matter, what can, what have the, a real effect, how you can feel, how you wanna be. And, uh, yeah, the power of true self-talking, th- power of true, overcoming the mistakes in the li- in, uh, in the life, and be the boss of your mind, because sometimes it's, (inhales deeply) sometimes it's, um... Yeah, it was, it was the next level. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Very difficult to recover from a loss like that. But you-

Jiří Procházka 52:39 Yeah. Because especially when you lost, like ... That was, that wa- tha- that was bad.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 52:46 That was (laughs) ... For me, like, uh .how to say? Like, uh, like a man who likes the honor and, and all these, uh, all these codes, like from Bushido moral, moral code, like that was something what was, for me, uh, really bad.

Joe Rogan 53:09 He got you.

Jiří Procházka 53:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:10 That's how it goes.

Jiří Procházka 53:11 Ma- man.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 53:12 You, you say it like (laughs) you say-

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 53:13 You can say it like that, but-

Joe Rogan 53:15 Oh, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 53:15 ... I really work on every, every move, every thought, every, uh, catching the, every, every move in the, in the fighting. And now it, this happen, that was not me. That was, that was really, (inhales deeply) uh, it was me, but, man, you show yourself your worst, your, your worst to the world, man-

Joe Rogan 53:42 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 53:42 ... but, so that's why-

Joe Rogan 53:43 But then you came after that and showed your best. So this is the thing about, uh, overcoming, uh, a loss like that, is that I'm sure it was awful, but because of it, the pain that you felt from it-

Jiří Procházka 53:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:54 ... caused you to rise to another level.

Jiří Procházka 53:57 That is what is life about. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:59 Yeah. That's-

Jiří Procházka 53:59 Yeah, I'm still... Yeah. This is-

Joe Rogan 54:00 You need the challenge. Uh, you need the tang po, you know? (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 54:05 Yeah. No, no, that, that, that's, yeah, that's right. And, and, uh, how I see this world, and this is what, what I wanted to speak with you, what is, what is here right now the, the true challenges in, true challenges in this world, in this age? Like, uh, in a, in a human's life, in a like, uh, like... (inhales deeply) What is there? Because, uh, how I see that, like, there is a not too much thing what we...... not, not too much. There is a lot, but still, we can go right now, we have to go to another level, because there is too much of the, of the, of the comfort life-

Joe Rogan 54:53 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 54:54 ... of the, of the people, because like that, you can have food.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 54:58 Like that, you can have a drink, uh, a massage, uh-

Joe Rogan 55:03 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 55:03 ... every- everything. So there is, there is no, no price, like I see in the young people, what they wants to pay to achieve some- really achieve something, because, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:20 They just want things ha- handed to them.

Jiří Procházka 55:22 That's it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Yeah, this is an entitlement era, because things are very easy. And when things are easy, it's very difficult to develop character.

Jiří Procházka 55:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:30 That's why, for young people, I always tell them, "You should choose to do something hard. Choose to do something hard for your human development-"

Jiří Procházka 55:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:37 "... for you as a human being, because if you just live your life in comfort, you will have a terrible life."

Jiří Procházka 55:42 Yeah. I think, and only one reason, only one thing what I realized, like, may- maybe the one th- one, one thing to step up will be, like, take us two steps back and understand the true life.

Joe Rogan 56:00 I think so.

Jiří Procházka 56:00 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:01 I think we'll realize that the people that live this way are living disastrous lives and people will learn from that mistake, because this level of comfort that most people have is very new, historically. It's very new in human history. There's never really been a time-

Jiří Procházka 56:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:17 ... where the poor people were fat.

Jiří Procházka 56:19 That's right. That's right.

Joe Rogan 56:20 This is a weird time.

Jiří Procházka 56:21 That's right. That's, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:22 The poorest amongst us have no worries about the, about starving to death.

Jiří Procházka 56:27 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:27 They, they're in America. They, they're fat. It's more common than not. I think some crazy number of people in this country are obese. What was the number? It was like 60%? Was it 60% of people are obese? Something crazy like that.

Jiří Procházka 56:41 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Which is just nuts.

Jiří Procházka 56:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:43 And it's too easy. It's too easy to exist. And I don't mean it's too easy, like you don't have to work, and I'm sure everybody has to work and your work sucks-

Jiří Procházka 56:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 ... and it's hard and you gotta-

Jiří Procházka 56:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:51 ... get up every day, but physically, you have to do something to-

Jiří Procházka 56:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 ... test your will and your discipline. And if you don't, you're gonna have a shitty life.

Jiří Procházka 57:00 That's right. That's right.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 57:01 That's right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:02 And you won't be able-

Jiří Procházka 57:02 I-

Joe Rogan 57:02 ... to control yourself-

Jiří Procházka 57:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:03 ... in situations where-

Jiří Procházka 57:05 I-

Joe Rogan 57:05 ... that require-

Jiří Procházka 57:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 ... you to stay calm.

Jiří Procházka 57:07 I think right now, it's up to, like, it was in every culture, up to the, the old, older, older people, to teach the younger, like-

Joe Rogan 57:18 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 57:18 ... to real life, to tell them, like the simply, tell them the stories, listen the stories, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:25 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 57:26 ... live the true life, man, because we are-

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 57:28 ... forgot- forgetting for all these things because we have the phones and ...

Joe Rogan 57:33 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 57:33 ... f- this is the fake lives. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:35 It's a fake life.

Jiří Procházka 57:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:36 It's a fake life and it's bad for you. It's bad for your development. It'll hinder your potential. Like, whatever you wanna do in life, if you wanna be an artist, if you wanna be a musician, whatever you wanna, you wanna be an author, it will hinder your development if you live the comfort life.

Jiří Procházka 57:52 And, okay. So th-

Joe Rogan 57:54 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 57:54 ... this is it.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 57:55 And how you, how you see the, like, in the 10 years, in the fif- 50 years, in 100 years, what's the next step for the ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:03 Not good.

Jiří Procházka 58:04 I'm, uh, um, (laughs) right now, I'm, I'm trying to (laughs) , to lead you in, in some way, but no, this is your podcast, sorry.

Joe Rogan 58:11 No, you tell me how you're trying to lead me.

Jiří Procházka 58:12 But I'm, I'm cur- I'm curi- I'm curious about that, because I'm, I'm, uh, trying to ... This is my, this is my, a true motivation, the human evolution, the evolution of myself.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 58:28 How to fight better, how to overcome the opponent better, how to showed him that I am everywhere and you have no chance around me, please. Keep, hold your head down and tell the other I'm, I'm the winner.

Joe Rogan 58:47 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 58:47 You know, you know who this is? I, like-

Joe Rogan 58:49 Shit.

Jiří Procházka 58:49 ... yeah, my, my ego-

Joe Rogan 58:50 Right.

Jiří Procházka 58:51 ... wan- wants this, but the way to this, there is, but still, in some humble way, humble way, to, to show it like, peacefully, show it, show it like, uh ...

Joe Rogan 59:06 Show violence peacefully. Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 59:10 That's it.

Joe Rogan 59:11 Yeah. Um, I, it was nice seeing you and Jamahal Hill out after the fight having a drink together. That was nice to see.

Jiří Procházka 59:16 Yeah. (laughs) I, I, I bought him the, like, my original drink what I'm drinking, the vodka, vodka soda lime. And, uh, I told him like, uh, "We fight together. We drink together."

Joe Rogan 59:34 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 59:34 "Let's go, let's go for that." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:37 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 59:37 Yeah, because, man, we are, everybody, we are, we are one.

Joe Rogan 59:42 We are one.

Jiří Procházka 59:42 In, in, in the end-

Joe Rogan 59:43 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 59:43 ... there is no enemy, even if you, even with, with your, the baddest enemy of the world. Man, it was a good life, it was a good fight. Let's drink together.

Joe Rogan 59:56 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 59:56 Let's celebrate together. That's all.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Was it cool? Was it cool hanging out with him?

Jiří Procházka 1:00:00 That wa- was, that was cool. That's something what, what, what I like to, to do with my opponents, whoever won or lo- you, you win, you lose, whatever. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Mm-hmm. That's great.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 It was just, it's always nice to see. There's one thing that people really do love about a great fight is afterwards when the guys hug.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:20 Yeah, but still, still, I don't like to, to speak about opponent in some way, in some bad way before the fight.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:32 And after fight, change it. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:36 ... it does not exist. It-

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:37 And right now, we are the friends and everything good, man. Please.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:43 Let's be honest. You talk shit about me-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 (laughs) Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:46 Talk shit about me. All right, okay, so-... you are the motherfucker, but doesn't matter. Let's drink together. You are who you are. I am who I am. Let's drink together. But stay, stay honest-

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:00:59 ... man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Keep that energy.

Jiří Procházka 1:01:00 Man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:01:02 Because that's, uh, that's why I, I like to keep same word, same attitude-

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 1:01:09 ... before the fight, in the preparation, and after the fight, in the fight, after the fight. All the time, like, the same. That's me.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:01:19 And I want to show me, not me before and me after.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Right. There's a lot of guys just for the sake of promotion, they talk a lot of shit, and they're just trying to stir things up and make the fight more exciting by insulting people, insulting their families. Yeah, and it gets, it gets very ugly. And I think the audience turns on them over that. And one of the things that's shown with, uh, your success and your popularity and guys like Alex is that you don't even have to speak English. Like, it doesn't matter if you kick a- I mean, if, it doesn't matter, you could talk all the shit you want, get everything hyped up. What really matters is how you perform inside the octagon. When you perform inside the octagon, like Alex has, like you have, it doesn't... There's no need for shit talking. It's you, you, people love you, and they love you just by the style of your fighting, and you're expressing-

Jiří Procházka 1:02:15 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 ... your soul inside that cage, like who you are as a man-

Jiří Procházka 1:02:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 ... inside that cage. You don't have to talk shit-

Jiří Procházka 1:02:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 ... about someone's wife or all that crap.

Jiří Procházka 1:02:23 Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's why many people around me, like the, uh, my manager team try to be more, more focused for, uh, a promo and all these things.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 Uh-huh.

Jiří Procházka 1:02:36 And, man, the fight will do the promo. This is the main thing of everything.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:02:42 Not selling these thing, these thing, these, these.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:02:46 Giving the... The main thing is the ...

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 The fight.

Jiří Procházka 1:02:53 The performance.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 The performance. That's what kinda drives me crazy about, um, when championship level fighters have to do a lot of promotion before the fight. I'm like, "Man, leave that guy alone." What's really important is how he's gonna perform. If you wanna promote it, have a bunch of people like me or, you know, Daniel Cormier or Chael Sonnen, have people talk about the fight.

Jiří Procházka 1:03:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Hype the fight up. You don't have to bother this guy at 7:00 in the morning and talk to him-

Jiří Procházka 1:03:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 ... for an hour-

Jiří Procházka 1:03:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 ... about some fucking nonsense.

Jiří Procházka 1:03:21 That's what I like.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Leave him alone.

Jiří Procházka 1:03:22 Yeah. That's what I like on UFC. They are, uh, focused for performance.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 That's great.

Jiří Procházka 1:03:26 E- every time. And no talking before, no one fight, other fight, no special promo before the f- yeah, like ... (gasps)

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 Afterwards, do interviews, like right now. Afterwards, relax. But when leading up to the fight, the most important thing is that you're 100% prepared, and anything that distracts from that should be eliminated.

Jiří Procházka 1:03:46 That's right. That's right. That's right, and yeah. And many, many, many, uh, fighters are... Yeah. Yeah, like focused for, yeah, talking.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 Still, there's, there, there are things about shit talking that I do like, and what I do like-

Jiří Procházka 1:04:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 ... is that, first of all, it gets a lot of people excited about it, which makes me happy because I want more people to watch the sport. But also, there's a psychological aspect, especially Conor McGregor. He's so good at talking shit that he gets people so angry that, like, when he fought Jose Aldo, for instance-

Jiří Procházka 1:04:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 ... it's like no one had ever treated Jose Aldo any way other than with respect. He was one of the greatest champions. He's a elite fighter. He defended his title multiple times.

Jiří Procházka 1:04:31 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 He c- destroyed his division.

Jiří Procházka 1:04:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 But you could tell that all that shit talking from Conor had an effect on him emotionally.

Jiří Procházka 1:04:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 And I think his ego made him go out of line. So he ran right at Conor and tried to hit him, and Conor stepped back and cracked him. He was so energetic, so... Now, imagine if instead, if Jose Aldo fought that fight and dragged it into the fourth and fifth round-

Jiří Procházka 1:04:57 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 ... and started using the leg kicks-

Jiří Procházka 1:04:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 ... that he used on Uriah Faber-

Jiří Procházka 1:05:00 Yep. Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 ... and started, like, picking him apart-

Jiří Procházka 1:05:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 ... from be careful in the beginning, but stay inside-

Jiří Procházka 1:05:05 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 ... the game plan, stay inside, but fight the best of your ability. Don't get emotional. Don't... That could've been a very different fight.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:11 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 But that's the weapon-

Jiří Procházka 1:05:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 ... the weapon of shit talking.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:14 That's, yeah, and especially if you know how to use that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 (laughs) Oh, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:17 And-

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 He uses it better than anybody. He gets people so mad. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:05:21 That's, that's right. That's, that's right. But it's still, it's a big weight.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:27 It's a big weight what you need to, uh, what you need to hand- what you know how-

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:33 ... how to handle that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 Well, it's also that big weight weighs on you as well. It doesn't just weigh on your opponent. When you talk a lot of shit, it puts extra weight on you, and it gets-

Jiří Procházka 1:05:43 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 ... and that can get you out of line.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:44 That's right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 The pre- the additional pressure. You might hear the audience boo-

Jiří Procházka 1:05:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 ... when they introduce you. You're like, "Oh, shit."

Jiří Procházka 1:05:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 "What have I done?" (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:05:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Not everybody have the, this, this, this, uh, big self-confident to, to-

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:05:59 ... to keep that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 Yeah. It's, um, it's an interesting aspect, but I don't like... Uh, if, if I had to choose one way or the other, I would say just fight. There's no need to talk shit. We should behave like martial artists.

Jiří Procházka 1:06:10 You know, my, my, uh, attitude about that is (laughs) a true self-confident man, a true, a true man who overcome and understand his body, his mind, his, uh, the opponent's mind and body and, and his mind don't need to... He, that guy don't need to, to-

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Talk shit.

Jiří Procházka 1:06:35 ... talk shit, to... Doesn't matter, to, to o- to, to s- to, to, to show that to others-

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:06:40 ... to, to the crowd or to, to, to fear the opponent.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:06:46 Because why? I know that and all-... I don't need to, to, to make a... this show to anybody because I know it, I know h- I know what, what, uh, what will happen. I have this c- self-confident. So-

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 The thing about talking shit though, it does make you more money.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Because it does, it does cause more people to pay atten-... Like, a good example of someone who doesn't need to talk shit-

Jiří Procházka 1:07:13 So-

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 ... but talks a lot of shit and becomes successful is Gordon Ryan. You know Gordon Ryan?

Jiří Procházka 1:07:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 The jujitsu champion?

Jiří Procházka 1:07:18 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 That's his belt up there, that's his Abu Dhabi belt.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 Gordon talks a lot of shit.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 And he's the greatest of all time.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:23 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 And he still talks a lot of shit.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:25 That's him.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 But that's also why he's so popular-

Jiří Procházka 1:07:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 ... is because, like, people talk shit back to him and there's a lot of back and forth on social media.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:33 But the most important thing is to be, uh, to be him, to be not, like, to play it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:40 To play, to be-

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 Right, right, right.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:41 ... to be, to be true yourself.

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Right. That is him.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:44 When, when you are like that-

Joe Rogan 1:07:45 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:45 ... okay, be a bad guy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:47 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:48 Or, or whatever, but-

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:50 ... just show yourself, that's it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:52 Right. Who are you, for real?

Jiří Procházka 1:07:53 Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 You express who you are in there.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:56 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 And you might not even like who you are after it.

Jiří Procházka 1:07:58 Yep, that's right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Yeah. So a lot of guys, that aggression, especially after a loss, it leads them to a place where they're like, "I don't- I don't even like how I behave. I don't even like me," especially with the bad feelings of a loss. So when you have all this aggression and shit talking and then a loss-

Jiří Procházka 1:08:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:14 ... and a bad loss, and you have this feeling of like, "I was an asshole."

Jiří Procházka 1:08:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 "And I lost."

Jiří Procházka 1:08:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 And the crowd cheered when I lost."

Jiří Procházka 1:08:21 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Like, "Fuck."

Jiří Procházka 1:08:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 That's the game they play, though.

Jiří Procházka 1:08:25 But that's the, uh, that's the game, and this is something what, what is for me, uh, I can't forget, like, for myself because I wanna sh- show really true myself, so I can't talk shit and then-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Yeah. You've gotta be yourself. Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:08:42 That's me. That's, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 Yeah, you can't f- especially now. If you try to become an asshole now, everybody would be confused, they're like, "What h- what's g- what's going on?" If you took a heel turn.

Jiří Procházka 1:08:52 I am asshole (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:08:57 But, but, uh, but so, so big ones, so I need to keep myself, like, so straight.

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:05 So I can't, I can't do that-

Joe Rogan 1:09:08 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:08 ... because, because that will be just, like I said, ego line.

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:16 I will show you just this one line, no.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:18 I need to show you the center.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:21 Yeah, that-

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 Right. You need to be pure. You need to be you with no bullshit, and that's how you perform at your best. So after a fight like this, uh, there was a lot of sp- and this is, is... I brought back to the Luke Thomas video. He was saying, like, you could be a middleweight champion. Like, if you made 20... You fought at 208, like, that's-

Jiří Procházka 1:09:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 ... a lot lighter probably than Dricus du Plessis.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 Dricus is huge.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:43 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 I look at him, I was like, "How does Dricus make 185?"

Jiří Procházka 1:09:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 "He's so big."

Jiří Procházka 1:09:48 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 Have you thought about that? I know y- there was some talk about that at one point in time.

Jiří Procházka 1:09:52 Yes. Yes, I thought, I thought about that but, uh, the main thing for me is right now I see the way in lightweight because I'm this m- one of the strongest guy in, uh, in the, in this division, and I still feel like there is a way in, uh, in lightweight. And I said to myself, like, "Okay, you can go to the middleweight, but first, show the consistency in lightweight. Take a belt, then you can... With a belt from lightweight, you can fight for the belt from, for middleweight, in middleweight."

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 Mm-hmm. To be a double champion, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:10:35 So yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 Well, psh- you know, it's interesting because weight cutting is, uh, in my opinion, the worst aspect of the sport. Josh Barnett was just talking about this. He was on the Ariel Helwani Show-

Jiří Procházka 1:10:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 ... and he was talking about-

Jiří Procházka 1:10:49 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:49 ... the dangers of weight cutting in reference to Arman Tsarukyan's-

Jiří Procházka 1:10:53 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 ... uh, having to pull out of that fight. Arman is big.

Jiří Procházka 1:10:56 Big, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:56 He's big. When I stand next to him, I cannot believe-

Jiří Procházka 1:10:59 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 ... he makes 155. He's very muscular, very dense, and very lean.

Jiří Procházka 1:11:04 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 And so for him to make 155, it must be an absolutely brutal weight cut. I gotta think he weighs 180 easy-

Jiří Procházka 1:11:12 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 ... maybe more.

Jiří Procházka 1:11:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:13 You know, he's big. And I think off, when he's out of camp, I bet he weighs closer to 200. I mean, he's fucking thick, man.

Jiří Procházka 1:11:20 Why they-

Joe Rogan 1:11:21 So for a guy like that...

Jiří Procházka 1:11:21 Why they do that? Why they don't fighting-

Joe Rogan 1:11:24 I don't know. Uh-

Jiří Procházka 1:11:24 ... in, uh, in, in, uh, in, uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:11:28 A higher weight class?

Jiří Procházka 1:11:29 In a higher weight class, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:29 Well, the thing is at that weight class, Islam Makhachev is so fucking good.

Jiří Procházka 1:11:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 And he's so big. He's another one, you stand next to him, you're like, "How the fuck does this guy make 170?" And he was actually talking about his first fight with Alexander Volkanovski, and one of the problems that he faced was that the fight was very early Australia time so that it could be on pay-per-view in America.

Jiří Procházka 1:11:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:55 So he was getting ready at 5:00 AM, so he did not have the time to recover from the weight cut from the previous day.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 So instead of having a full 24-plus hours... So if you're weighing in at 10 o'clock in the morning now, is it... What time do you weigh in? What time did you weigh in, in, in Los Angeles?

Jiří Procházka 1:12:13 8:00, 8:00.

Joe Rogan 1:12:13 8:00 in the morning.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:13 8:00 in the morning.

Joe Rogan 1:12:13 Okay, so 8:00 in the morning, and then you have a full 36 hours plus before you fight.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:19 That's right, that's right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:20 Which is plenty of time to recover and rehydrate.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:22 But he did not get that with the Volkanovski fight, and you saw it in his performance. He didn't look as good.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:26 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 And 'cause he's fucking big, man.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:29 Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:30 So he's... I think weight cutting should be eliminated. I said this to Ari Emanuel when they first bought the UFC, I said, "Listen, man, you know what you should do? Get rid of weight cutting."

Jiří Procházka 1:12:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:38 "Just stop it." We, we, i- if there's not... Look, if you can randomly test people for drugs-

Jiří Procházka 1:12:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:43 ... you can randomly test their weight."

Jiří Procházka 1:12:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:44 Show up with the scale, "Hey, buddy, step on the scale."

Jiří Procházka 1:12:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:47 "You're 190 pounds, how the fuck are you making 145?" (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:12:50 Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 You know, like do something like that.

Jiří Procházka 1:12:51 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:52 And-... come up with more weight classes. There should be a weight class every 10 pounds. This idea of these giant gaps, like 185 to-

Jiří Procházka 1:13:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:00 ... 205-

Jiří Procházka 1:13:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:01 That's a 20-pound gap. That's huge.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:04 Tha- that doesn't exist in boxing.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:05 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:13:05 They should have every 10 pounds, 85, 95, 205, 225, and then unlimited.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 Instead of 265, let them weigh whatever the fuck they weigh.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:14 Because you got giant guys out there that can't fight in the UFC 'cause they can't make 265-

Jiří Procházka 1:13:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:19 ... which is kind of crazy.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:20 Right? Like Bigfoot, Bigfoot Silva when he was at his prime, when he was, when he was saucy, he was like 300 pounds.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:26 He was fucking huge. So-

Jiří Procházka 1:13:27 Uh, I like the weigh, the o- open weights, man.

Joe Rogan 1:13:29 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:30 Yeah. Open weight.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:31 Because-

Joe Rogan 1:13:31 Not 265. Let Francis Ngannou weigh whatever the fuck he weighs-

Jiří Procházka 1:13:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:13:35 ... when he doesn't cut weight.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:36 Probably weighs like 290. Instead of having weight cuts, just take the champions, find out what the champion weighs. Like don't get rid of the championship belts. Find out, what does Islam Makhachev weigh? Islam Makhachev is a UFC champion, best pound-for-pound fighter on earth.

Jiří Procházka 1:13:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Find out what he weighs. What do you weigh-

Jiří Procházka 1:13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:56 ... if you were healthy, if weight cutting didn't exist? Would it be 185?

Jiří Procházka 1:14:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:01 Okay. 190? Whatever that is. That's how you fight now.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:05 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:14:05 And we're not gonna weigh you in the day before and let you rehydrate. That's crazy talk. Fight people your size.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:12 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 And, and also, the fights would be better-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:15 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:15 ... because too many guys get depleted horribly by these weight... Like Max Holloway-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 ... said he would never make 150, 145 again after-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:23 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:14:23 ... he fought Ilia Topuria.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:24 Okay, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:24 He's like, "I can't do it anymore." 'Cause he had gone up to 55, he got thicker, and then he went back to 45. He was just drained.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:30 He just wasn't himself.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:31 He didn't look good.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:32 Yeah. That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:33 So, I think that would be... A- and I know this is not an easy thing to do, but I do think it's just like getting steroids out of fighting. When they brought in USADA-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 When USADA came in, you saw people's physiques melt.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:14:47 You saw people that were doing steroids on a-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:50 ... regular basis and gaming the system-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:51 ... and testing negative on the day of the fight-

Jiří Procházka 1:14:54 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:54 ... but all throughout their camp, they were using.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:56 You saw their bodies change.

Jiří Procházka 1:14:58 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:58 They started looking, like, doughy-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:00 ... and flabby-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:01 ... because they didn't have any testosterone anymore.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:03 It's, it's, it's... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:03 Because they'd fucked up their endocrine systems.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:06 Instead of allowing that, they brought in USADA, and USADA started randomly testing, and a lot of people fell off. Great champions fell off.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:15 Guys like Vitor Belfort-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:16 That's right, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 ... fell off.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:17 Great, great fighters-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:18 Yeah, yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 ... who, when they were using, were-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:20 ... unbelievably good, but then as soon as they had it be natural... Okay, so we realize that we're gonna have to sacrifice some fighters for that. This is the same approach that should be made with weight cutting. Weight cutting should not exist. It's terrible for you. It's unnecessary. It's not necessary.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:38 It's just sanction cheating that we've done forever. If you're telling me that Alex Pereira, when he fought I- i- Israel Adesanya-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:47 ... he weighed 185-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:48 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15:49 ... one day and 226 the next day. That's crazy.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:54 Yeah, that's crazy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:54 It's crazy.

Jiří Procházka 1:15:56 Yeah, and that's maybe-

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 And it's not a slight against Alex-

Jiří Procházka 1:15:58 ... d- dangerous, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:58 ... because Alex is willing to fight heavyweight.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:00 He's willing to fight at what he weighs.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:01 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:02 It should y- weight cutting is something that exists. It's b- it's sanctioned. They allow it to happen.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:08 They know what's going on-

Jiří Procházka 1:16:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:09 ... and it's cheating.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:10 That's right. And-

Joe Rogan 1:16:11 They're not really 170 pounds. That guy's 195. He's depleted and dried out, and then he's gonna swell back up again, and he's gonna look huge the next day.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:19 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:20 Like Dricus.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:21 Every- everything is evolving, so... So, we have to have-

Joe Rogan 1:16:23 Yes, they should evolve that-

Jiří Procházka 1:16:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:24 ... because for the safety of the fighters-

Jiří Procházka 1:16:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:26 ... for the safety of the fighters, it's not good to dehydrate-

Jiří Procházka 1:16:29 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:16:29 ... your brain 24 hours before a cage fight.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:32 That's right. Well-

Joe Rogan 1:16:33 It's dumb.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:35 But nobody's gonna listen to me.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:36 Nobody listens to me, Yuri. Nobody.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:38 Maybe after this, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:39 (laughs) I don't think they should even have cages. I think it should be an open floor.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:16:44 I think it should be an open floor like a basketball court.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:46 Because I think the-

Jiří Procházka 1:16:47 Surely what's the best, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:48 ... the cage-

Jiří Procházka 1:16:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:49 ... allows you to get up when you wouldn't ordinarily be able to get up. You could walk, wall walk it. The cage allows someone to press you up against an, an, an unnatural object.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:58 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:58 There's a cage there.

Jiří Procházka 1:16:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 So you could press a guy up against a cage. Whereas if you were standing-

Jiří Procházka 1:17:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:02 ... in the center, you could do Muay Thai sweeps.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:05 You could do, you could-

Jiří Procházka 1:17:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:06 ... rotate around each other.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:07 There'd be more action.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:17:08 There'd be more movement.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:09 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:17:10 I also think, if someone takes you down at the beginning of the first round, at the end of the round, you're on your back, you start that second round in the same position.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:18 Yeah. You see that, like, uh, yeah, I- I- I have the similar, similar range of the, of the fighting. (sighs) First I thought like, why, why there is a rules? Why there is a, uh, the...

Joe Rogan 1:17:31 Eye-gouging, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:33 Eye, eye, eye pokes is not allowed, so I'm glad for (laughs) after these last fight-

Joe Rogan 1:17:38 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:17:38 ... it's not allowed. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17:40 It shouldn't be allowed.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:40 But-

Joe Rogan 1:17:41 But it's very effective.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:42 Man, yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 1:17:42 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:44 ... show all your weapon of your body, how you can defeat this man. That's all.

Joe Rogan 1:17:51 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:52 One against one. That's all.

Joe Rogan 1:17:53 Yes, one against one.

Jiří Procházka 1:17:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17:54 That's all. And the l- the minimal amount of rules possible. You know what other thing that I think they should do?

Jiří Procházka 1:17:59 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:17:59 And I'm gonna talk to Dana about this this week. Cover the fingers. There's no reason to have these fingers exposed. It doesn't help anything.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:18:06 It doesn't help grappling. You never grapple like this, right?

Jiří Procházka 1:18:09 (inhales)

Joe Rogan 1:18:09 You never, you never use-

Jiří Procházka 1:18:10 I d-

Joe Rogan 1:18:10 ... the fingers.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:11 N- n- no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 1:18:11 Nobody does.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:12 Not to it, not to it.

Joe Rogan 1:18:12 You do this.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18:13 Or you do this.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:18:15 Or you, you do different things with your hands, but your fingers-

Jiří Procházka 1:18:18 But still the-

Joe Rogan 1:18:18 ... are always closed.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:18 But still, still the feeling. Still the feeling of the-

Joe Rogan 1:18:20 I understand.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:21 ... like-

Joe Rogan 1:18:21 But the problem is the pokes.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:22 'Cause everybody does this because you're used to sparring with gloves on.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:25 So allow the po- eye pokes, yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:18:28 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:18:28 (laughs) Man, everybody... You will, you know what will, what will happen?

Joe Rogan 1:18:32 What?

Jiří Procházka 1:18:32 Every, everybody will be more prepared for-

Joe Rogan 1:18:36 For eye pokes.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:37 ... for eye, no for eye pokes, for every possible attack for an eye, because eyes is, is the weapon too. For ma- es- especially-

Joe Rogan 1:18:45 It's vulnerable, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:45 Especially-

Joe Rogan 1:18:46 It's a target.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:46 ... eye I can, I can speak about it because I'm using that like, uh, I see.

Joe Rogan 1:18:51 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:52 So-

Joe Rogan 1:18:54 I know what you're saying.

Jiří Procházka 1:18:54 Maybe, maybe it's weird, yeah, man. (laughs) But-

Joe Rogan 1:18:56 The problem is you don't want people to go blind. Like, Michael Bisping can't see out of his right eye.

Jiří Procházka 1:19:00 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 1:19:01 You know? And that, that, I just-

Jiří Procházka 1:19:02 Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:19:02 ... I feel like-

Jiří Procházka 1:19:03 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:19:03 ... for the sake of the athlete's future-

Jiří Procházka 1:19:05 But everybody will took every fucking... Sorry, every f- every f-

Joe Rogan 1:19:10 I think it's fair.

Jiří Procházka 1:19:11 Every fight, every fight so seriously.

Joe Rogan 1:19:14 Oh, yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:19:14 So preparation will be-

Joe Rogan 1:19:15 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:19:15 ... so... And every, uh, people in the crowd will watch that with a, "Man, in this fight, there can happen something what after that fight, we, we will not can... Nobody can change."

Joe Rogan 1:19:31 Right, right.

Jiří Procházka 1:19:32 So, we will... Like the fighters, we will, uh, s- speak better, uh, perform better, train better, be prepared to die.

Joe Rogan 1:19:44 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:19:45 And not, like, uh, just in our mind. Just to die to show the best performance. Like, like, um, I mean that, like, philosophically. Like, uh, you have to stop thinking and be in the moment and all the, all these things.

Joe Rogan 1:20:02 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:02 But, like... (laughs) But that's what, that's, uh, we are s- right now speaking, like, about, you know, ancient fights.

Joe Rogan 1:20:13 Mm-hmm. No, I know what you're saying.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:14 Like, about the fight, fight for the life.

Joe Rogan 1:20:16 Real fight.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:16 So, yeah, real fight. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:17 Yeah, no rules at all. Do you think maybe get rid of cups too and allow kicks to the balls? That's real. It's a real target. It's a vulnerability of the human body-

Jiří Procházka 1:20:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:27 ... to ignore vulnerabilities of the human body.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:29 Man, it la- it's, it's, it sounds weird in, especially in this age of the full of, uh, laws and all these things.

Joe Rogan 1:20:35 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:36 But that's, that's how I am, uh, how I see that. We are living in the age where the laws is wor- laws and, uh, the system-

Joe Rogan 1:20:46 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:46 ... is working. So, we put the... We have to put some, some system on the fighting too.

Joe Rogan 1:20:54 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:20:54 And so...

Joe Rogan 1:20:55 Eddie Bravo actually came up with an idea. It was... He was joking around, but he wanted to call it ultimate sack fighting, where, uh, you were allowed to kick a guy in the balls, and that (laughs) your balls would be exposed. So, it was like when the balls are in play, the game changes. And then the idea was that, like, your balls are so vulnerable-

Jiří Procházka 1:21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:13 ... but yet you cover them with, like, a Thai cup, you know?

Jiří Procházka 1:21:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:16 And that if they didn't, if the balls were hanging out, like your, you know-

Jiří Procházka 1:21:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:19 ... your chin is hanging out, that it would change-

Jiří Procházka 1:21:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:21:20 ... everything.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:21 Yep, yep.

Joe Rogan 1:21:22 He was just joking around. It was very funny that the guy who would win-

Jiří Procházka 1:21:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:21:24 ... would just have, like, iron balls. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:21:27 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:28 And you couldn't take it. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:21:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:28 But nobody has iron balls.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:21:30 I mean, the human body has be- the, the eye pokes and ball shots.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:34 You didn't see-

Joe Rogan 1:21:35 Bizarre vulnerabilities.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:36 You, you didn't saw the, the, the, the monks-

Joe Rogan 1:21:39 Yeah, getting kicked in the balls?

Jiří Procházka 1:21:39 ... how they, how were they kicking, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:21:41 Yeah. I don't understand that.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:21:42 I think they're just hitting each other in the taint. I think their balls are tucked up. I think, otherwise it doesn't make any sense that you could just slam your foot. 'Cause also the way they're doing it, the monks, they're kicking up. They're kicking up.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:54 Yes. Yes, so yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:21:55 So, I think they're just slamming their shin into the, instep into the taint.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:58 Yep. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:21:58 It's not really the balls.

Jiří Procházka 1:21:59 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:21:59 Like, if you front kick that monk-

Jiří Procházka 1:22:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:22:01 ... in the balls-

Jiří Procházka 1:22:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:02 ... just front ki- snap, front, he would fall down dead. He'd be like, "Aah!"

Jiří Procházka 1:22:06 I, I th- I th- yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:06 Like, "What happened?"

Jiří Procházka 1:22:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:06 "I thought you had iron balls."

Jiří Procházka 1:22:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:22:10 (laughs) Nobody has iron balls. Nobody has iron eyeballs either, you know?

Jiří Procházka 1:22:13 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:22:13 The problem with eyeballs is... Yeah, these guys. Yeah, see how he's doing that?

Jiří Procházka 1:22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:18 He's getting kicked in-

Jiří Procházka 1:22:19 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:20 He's getting kicked in the-

Jiří Procházka 1:22:21 In the middle of the... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22:21 Yeah, he's getting kicked in the taint. His balls are... I can even see the way his sack has pulled up. See that little thing that he's got on there?

Jiří Procházka 1:22:26 But still, he's red.

Joe Rogan 1:22:27 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:22:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:22:28 And he probably has little balls too, unfortunately. (laughs) But it's stupid.

Jiří Procházka 1:22:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:22:33 Either way, that's stupid. That doesn't... It doesn't... If that was the only way, like if you could train that way, and you know, like, a, a lot of the Thais, they kick, uh, banana trees and kick sandbags. You know, we have a sandbag out there. It's so brutal to kick.

Jiří Procházka 1:22:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:22:46 But if you do that enough, you'll develop those microfractures on your shins.

Jiří Procházka 1:22:49 Yep, yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:22:50 And it'll make your shins much tougher.

Jiří Procházka 1:22:51 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:22:51 You can't make your balls tougher.

Jiří Procházka 1:22:52 Yep. Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:22:52 You can't make your balls tougher. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:22:55 Phew. Yeah, there... I think there is no, no, uh, no re- (inhales) ah, reason to-

Joe Rogan 1:23:01 This guy just punched himself in the dick.

Jiří Procházka 1:23:03 ... reason to... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:23:03 (laughs) This is so ridiculous. This is so ridiculous. This guy should just take... Oh, no.

Jiří Procházka 1:23:10 Fuck, man. Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:23:11 Oh, no, don't do it. Oh, God.

Jiří Procházka 1:23:14 No. There-

Joe Rogan 1:23:15 He's getting slammed in the nuts by a log. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:23:17 No.

Joe Rogan 1:23:17 These guys just hitting each other in the balls. But again, I think if you step to one of those guys and front snap kicked him right in the balls-

Jiří Procházka 1:23:25 Nope.

Joe Rogan 1:23:25 ... I think he'd fall down. This is stupid. (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:23:28 You know, what I, what I realized when I saw the, like, lot of masters of, of... a lot of masters of, of these kung fu, doing this weird stuff-

Joe Rogan 1:23:38 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:23:38 ... and, and all these things. So, there is a way to... (clicks tongue) Like, about obsession of the, of the martial arts, of the sh- doing something in, in your life to the deepest level.

Joe Rogan 1:23:53 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:23:53 But still, this is a fighting.

Joe Rogan 1:23:56 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:23:57 About the... This is about win. So, I don't know if this will can, can will help you to really defeat the-

Joe Rogan 1:24:08 No.

Jiří Procházka 1:24:08 ... defe- no.

Joe Rogan 1:24:09 No.

Jiří Procházka 1:24:09 Especially, this is the just defense.

Joe Rogan 1:24:11 Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:24:12 B- uh, okay, so you are the preferred, uh, prepared to defense your, your balls and, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:24:20 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:24:20 (laughs) So, man, really, like, think about it, like, in real. Don't, don't be s- don't, don't give it too much on this, on this side of an art of the, like, just doing... Uh, it's good to, to know one thing, one, two-

Joe Rogan 1:24:39 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:24:39 ... one, two, really, really deeply so you can time that, timing that in every situation to know how to, what, how to do this movement in every situation. But-... these movements, um-

Joe Rogan 1:24:54 They're not an effective use of your time.

Jiří Procházka 1:24:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:24:56 Yeah, it's not gonna help you be a better fighter. It's, uh ... There's a lot of ancient movements that are probably good for the development of your consciousness, and they're probably good overall for your ability to be a better martial artist because they teach you certain movements, which are almost like a form, like kata. A lot of people talk about forms and they say-

Jiří Procházka 1:25:15 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:25:15 ... it's a waste of time.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:16 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:25:16 But I, I think it's a moving meditation. I used to think it was a waste of time when I was a young man.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:21 Everything is-

Joe Rogan 1:25:22 When I got my black belt, I just learned the katas, and then afterwards-

Jiří Procházka 1:25:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:25 ... I had forgotten them.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:26 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:25:26 I, as soon as I ... I just learned them so that I could pass the next test, and then once I knew all the forms and the katas, I didn't care anymore. I just wanted to fight. So, like, that-

Jiří Procházka 1:25:35 Yeah, but, but all these moves-

Joe Rogan 1:25:37 They're important.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:37 ... are, are written in, in your, in your body, in your-

Joe Rogan 1:25:40 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:40 Maybe, maybe you don't realize that yet, but in a hardest situation, in a ... Maybe there will, one move will-

Joe Rogan 1:25:50 Right.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:51 Wow, will, will jump up and bum.

Joe Rogan 1:25:54 'Cause you've trained your system.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:55 You will do that.

Joe Rogan 1:25:55 You've trained your system about those things. Yeah.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:57 Like the Neo and the Matrix, man. f-

Joe Rogan 1:25:58 Yes.

Jiří Procházka 1:25:59 I know the kung fu.

Joe Rogan 1:26:00 I know kung fu.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:00 T- yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:01 Yeah. They think they're gonna be able to do that now. This is a, uh, they ... I was just reading an article about that, and they were comparing it to Neo in the Matrix. They think they're going to be able to download skills into people's brains.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:12 Man, it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:26:13 Which sucks.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:14 This is ... No. I-

Joe Rogan 1:26:15 But it sucks-

Jiří Procházka 1:26:16 It sucks. It's, it's a, I think-

Joe Rogan 1:26:17 ... because I want them to learn the way you learned.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:18 I think, no, man. There is a, the ego, the force.

Joe Rogan 1:26:23 Mm-hmm.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:23 The force. We will do that by, I will take it and this, there it is. Me-

Joe Rogan 1:26:29 Dimitri.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:30 It, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:26:30 How's Dimitri doing? The snake.

Jiří Procházka 1:26:31 Oh, Dimitri, hey.

Joe Rogan 1:26:34 (laughs)

Jiří Procházka 1:26:34 And instead of, like, to take a, take a, uh, find a real snake and whatever, I, I, I, I cannot de- descri- describe-

Joe Rogan 1:26:43 I know