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JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Matt is the host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton and is the owner and lead instructor at Serra BJJ. Din is a mixed martial arts analyst, actor, and host of "FightCourt." https://www.groundcontrolbaltimore.com https://www.serrabjj.com https://www.youtube.com/@FightCourt Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Visit https://www.squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website.

Matt SerraguestJoe RoganhostJohn RalloguestDin Thomasguest
Aug 14, 20253h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:01 – 0:54

    Cold open: getting “too high” and why weed should be legal

    1. NA

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. MS

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) You good?

    4. JR

      We're up. We're up.

    5. MS

      (laughs) What? Hey, guys. (laughs) We're back. (laughs)

    6. JR

      Uh. It's just like getting pulled over by the cops, the window rolls down.

    7. MS

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      The cop's like-

    9. NA

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      ... "What the fuck were you doing?"

    11. NA

      Shit. Joe, I took, I took one hit of that shit. That shit was strong as hell. I feel high already.

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm. That's good for you, D. It's good for you. Opens your mind. It's the right stuff. Yeah, there's some talk about, uh, Trump legalizing marijuana now.

    13. NA

      Right?

    14. JR

      That would be amazing.

    15. MS

      That, I mean, it kinda feels like it is legal right now.

    16. JR

      Well, it should be. It's so stupid. It's so da- we're- I can't believe we're still dealing with this. I mean, I would've thought by the time, I just turned 58, I would've thought by the time I'm 58, we would've figured this out.

    17. JR

      Right?

  2. 0:54 – 1:52

    Medical cannabis vs. pharmaceuticals and alcohol-industry lobbying

    1. MS

      Ca- can I tell you, when I, with my ulcerative colitis, it always ca- uh, we always start with my ass for some reason.

    2. NA

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      (laughs)

    4. NA

      (laughs)

    5. MS

      But with my ulcerative colitis, after my co-colonoscopy one time, the doctor's like, "Well, uh, there's this pill you could take. It, it could affect your liver, but not for many years. Like, not for..." Now, this was when I was like 39. I'm 51 now. I w- I'd be, I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point.

    6. JR

      Liver, right?

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. MS

      So what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me. It just, it just helps, and I don't have to... If that's not fucking up my liver or anything.

    9. JR

      Bro, it would ru- it would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem.

    10. MS

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry. The alcohol industry...

    13. MS

      Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right? Yeah.

    14. JR

      Yeah. And they've done studies. They know.

    15. MS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      And they lobby. They, they, they work on it hard. They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the, in the whole nation.

    17. JR

      Mm.

    18. MS

      Alcohol's way worse. I mean, that's just-

    19. JR

      Way worse.

    20. MS

      ... an age-old conversation, but sh- psh, it, it just is-

  3. 1:52 – 4:49

    Cartel grow ops in national forests and the unintended consequences of bad laws

    1. JR

      Well, the real big problem is who's selling if, if it's illegal? The cartel.

    2. JR

      That's right.

    3. JR

      You know, I've, I've talked about this before. If you've heard it before, I'm sorry. But there's a guy named Jon Norris who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden. He wrote a book called Hidden War. It was a, he was a game warden in California, you know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit, like liv- he loves the woods, loves being outdoors.

    4. JR

      Oh, he came on this shit. (laughs)

    5. MS

      He came on this shit.

    6. JR

      And he came upon a cartel grow op in the middle of the national forest, and then they realize, oh, no, this is what they do. They go deep into the woods in public land, and they set up a grow op, and they got fucking AKs, and they got, you know, uh, uh, the V- Virgin Mary photos...

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. MS

      ... that they pray to at night.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      It's crazy. Like full-on campsites filled with cartel dudes. They, they started turning into a tactical team. So this guy had to get Be- Belgian Malinois and bulletproof vests, and they're getting in shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods.

    11. JR

      I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger, and he's out there-

    12. JR

      Yeah, thought he was getting in, like...

    13. MS

      No shit.

    14. JR

      Yeah, yeah.

    15. JR

      Hear people's fish stories. Like, "How'd you get this one?" You know. No, he's fucking getting in shootouts, because it's illegal.

    16. MS

      Damn.

    17. JR

      With the cartels. Damn.

    18. JR

      So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.

    19. MS

      Mm.

    20. JR

      So the cartel could just grow illegally.

    21. MS

      And it's just a misdemeanor, right?

    22. JR

      Yeah, no big deal.

    23. JR

      It's a misdemeanor. And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit. Like-

    24. MS

      Right.

    25. JR

      So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow ops. And what he was saying, at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think, that th- that was the number, in the country, in places where it's illegal, is coming from these dudes. And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbs that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit, shit that's outlawed in farms in America. But they just... But it's effective, and so they're using it. So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbs. There's no rules, man. It's, it's illegal weed. If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking fac- the fire-

    26. JR

      Yep.

    27. JR

      ... the farms and the factories. It'd be just like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, we'd all be fucked. We'd be drinking moonshine.

    28. MS

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      No one would... You know what I mean?

    30. JR

      True. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt.

  4. 4:49 – 6:09

    Prohibition parallels, “everything is a drug,” and science getting co-opted by money

    1. MS

      How long did the, uh, prohibition last for?

    2. JR

      Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point. I think it was 10 years. Was it 10 years, Jamie?

    3. MS

      Must've been a rough fucking 10 years. (laughs)

    4. JR

      Bro, it had to be crazy.

    5. MS

      Must've been. Yeah, right.

    6. JR

      But that's where, that's where the organized crime got all their money coming from.

    7. JR

      Didn't they say that to a NASCAR team year? Joe?

    8. JR

      Yep, that's when Nascar... I just-

    9. JR

      13 fucking years, for 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country. You know how crazy that is? A grown man telling you you can't have a drink.

    10. JR

      Right. Who was... Same thing with the smoke. What's the problem with that?

    11. JR

      It's exactly the same thing.

    12. MS

      It, it's, it's weird.

    13. JR

      Exactly the same thing. We're just delusional about it, and, and we put it under the label drug, which is alcohol. Alcohol is a drug, dummy. It's all... They're all drugs.

    14. MS

      No, everything's a drug. Every-

    15. JR

      Every... There's a lot of drugs.

    16. MS

      Caffeine is a drug.

    17. JR

      Yeah, exactly.

    18. MS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      We're drinking espresso. Please just stop it. It's just knowing how to use each drug, and the only way you know how to use it is, is if people are honest and if they do studies. You have actual scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result. You know, that's what it's supposed to be.

    20. MS

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    21. JR

      For all of us. It's all just fucking co-opted by money.

    22. NA

      Did you know Maryland didn't enforce it?

    23. JR

      No, they hadn't-

    24. NA

      Never heard that.

    25. JR

      Maryland didn't enfor- Well, that's good. Good for Maryland.

    26. MS

      So there you go, W- (laughs)

    27. JR

      So yeah, keep drinking your thing for Maryland.

    28. NA

      Shout out to Baltimore. (laughs)

    29. JR

      Shout back to that state. By the way, how crazy is that?

    30. JR

      ... right? Also, home of ground control- Yeah. (laughs) ... of the whole world. (laughs)

  5. 6:09 – 10:28

    Merch/self-promo jokes to pizza evangelism: the birth of the “Serra Slice” segment

    1. MS

      Hey, guys. I, I, I guess I missed the memo.

    2. JR

      That's right. I thought you and Matt Serra-

    3. MS

      Yeah, I missed the fucking memo. (laughs)

    4. JR

      This was a totally organic move. I've known you for 30 years. I know, totally. I- Uh, uh- We didn't talk about this at all. Nah. Well, I saw Matt wore his last time and I said-

    5. MS

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      ... "That's it. The green light." I'm shamelessly self-promoting, and then Dean came down like a motherfucker.

    7. MS

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      I gotta get 'em in. He goes, "I gotta represent." And then you came in with it, so-

    9. MS

      I, I, the only thing is that we didn't talk about it.

    10. JR

      ... totally organic. I love it.

    11. MS

      I know. That's crazy.

    12. JR

      That's crazy. (laughs)

    13. MS

      (laughs) I feel like I'm left out of the loop here.

    14. JR

      Yeah. (laughs) I know. I wish we had some extras.

    15. MS

      I'm trying to get a sponsor by True Classic.

    16. JR

      Or a marker. We can start throwing extra shirts.

    17. MS

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      Shit, I had an extra one too. You know what's so funny? I had one that was still in the package and I was like, "Should I bring this?" I'm like, "Nah, I don't need this."

    19. MS

      I think you should've, man.

    20. JR

      I should've. Would've been a great size. Sure, sure. That would've been great.

    21. MS

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of those shirts. Right, right. (laughs) And I, and I ignored it. That's great.

    23. MS

      We're talking about stuff that's good for you, and I've been telling you I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza and I still got abs.

    24. JR

      Uh-oh, here it comes.

    25. MS

      Here it comes.

    26. JR

      The Serra Slice. Are you serious? (laughs)

    27. MS

      Yes. Listen to me. Can I tell you, I'm so... You guys are pooping on me.

    28. JR

      Yeah. I can see it in Midtown right now. Yeah, you're fucking pooping on me.

    29. MS

      (laughs)

    30. JR

      Serra S- Slice. I'm sorry. Serra Slice.

  6. 10:28 – 17:36

    American flour vs. Europe: bromate, bleach, glyphosate and why bread feels different

    1. JR

      That is the number one problem with any of that carnivore diet bullshit.

    2. MS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      That's the number one (laughs) , the number one problem is pizza.

    4. MS

      Oh, right. Yeah. No doubt.

    5. JR

      Pizza and Italian subs. Yeah.

    6. MS

      He was telling me that it's not even legal-

    7. JR

      If you-

    8. MS

      ... in Europe to have the bromate.

    9. JR

      Yeah, it is, definitely.

    10. MS

      I didn't know what the fuck bromate was.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. MS

      He goes, "It's stuff they put in the, in the, uh, the dough to make it last longer" and this and that.

    13. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    14. MS

      This kid has such balls where he started importing it. It's twice as much for a flour, Caputa, Caputa flour.

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. MS

      Dude, I don't know much, I know a lot about food.

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. MS

      You know, I'm having espresso, he tells me the whole thing about the bromate.

    19. JR

      Joe, you feel different if you eat that flour.

    20. MS

      I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school and I, I, I'm not doing that with Pietro's, no offense. I'm not doing that with other s-

    21. JR

      (clears throat)

    22. MS

      He has a... It's so good.

    23. JR

      Potassium bromate, a flour additive used to strengthen dough may have potential health risks. While it's legal in the US, it's banned in many other countries due to concerns about its potential carcinogenic effects. Studies have linked it to kidney and thyroid cancers in animals. Well, fucking duh. And it's been associated with genotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in both animal models and humans. Acute symptoms from ingestion can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain.

    24. MS

      They put this in our flour, dude.

    25. JR

      Oh, my God.

    26. MS

      That's what I'm saying.

    27. JR

      That's crazy. That's crazy.

    28. MS

      So out of all the-

    29. JR

      It causes changes in DNA. Wow. And potentially lead to mutations.

    30. MS

      Guys.

  7. 17:36 – 19:48

    Sponsor break + ‘Canada as the little cousin’ and crackdowns on everyday freedom

    1. JR

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    2. DT

      (laughs)

    3. MS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    4. DT

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      You know that one cousin?

    6. DT

      (laughs) Yeah.

    7. MS

      Right. (laughs)

    8. DT

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      And they text you later-

    10. DT

      Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... and you're like, "Jesus Christ."

    12. DT

      (laughs)

    13. MS

      (laughs)

    14. DT

      (laughs) We all got that one cousin, right? He's just like, "Yo, man."

    15. JR

      (laughs) He wants to talk to you about-

    16. DT

      Yeah. (laughs)

    17. JR

      ... communist theory, but come on, you fuck.

    18. MS

      Yeah, relax. (laughs)

    19. JR

      Shut, shut up.

    20. DT

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      They're fining people for walking in the woods. You hear about that?

    22. MS

      Where?

    23. JR

      In Saskatchewan. Is that where it is, Jamie?

    24. NA

      I have no idea.

    25. DT

      Walking in the woods?

    26. JR

      Yeah, this guy got fined 20... They, they told you that if you get caught in the woods, because it's so hot out, they're worried about wildfires. There's no wildfires, but they're worried about wildfires. Every year you worry about wildfires. So to combat this, they-

    27. MS

      You can't go near your house.

    28. JR

      ... they fine people $28,000 to walk into the woods.

    29. MS

      For walking through the woods?

    30. DT

      That's a lot of money.

  8. 19:48 – 25:26

    UK free-speech controversy: arrests for posts, edited clips, and propaganda dynamics

    1. MS

      But what's going on in the UK?

    2. JR

      This is the guy.

    3. MS

      I mean, they're put-

    4. JR

      Good $28,000 move.

    5. DT

      Damn.

    6. MS

      They're putting, uh, thousands of people in jail for social media posts.

    7. JR

      Oh, yeah. No, banana stuff.

    8. MS

      These, fuck, it's getting... Everybody's going communist.

    9. JR

      Yeah, one, one person put this, uh, Facebook post or something like that, critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women, and because of putting that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail.

    10. MS

      Absolutely ridiculous.

    11. DT

      Damn.

    12. JR

      20 months in jail.

    13. DT

      That was way... Damn.

    14. MS

      Oh, really?

    15. JR

      In the UK.

    16. DT

      Ah.

    17. JR

      In the UK.

    18. DT

      That's fucking crazy.

    19. MS

      Really?

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DT

      A bunch of sensitive pussies they let out. Yes. (laughs)

    22. JR

      They arrested, uh-

    23. MS

      Jesus.

    24. JR

      ... my friend, Konstantin K- Kisin from, uh, Triggernometry, the podcast. He's the one who first told me about all this. 'Cause he, he had this conversation with this guy where he said, "How many people do you think get arrested for, uh, social media posts in Russia?" And, you know, he tells him what the number is. He's like, it's like about 400. Like, "Oh, wow."

    25. DT

      Mm.

    26. JR

      He goes, "How many people do you think get arrested for social media posts in the UK?" And the guy was like, "What?" He was like, "It's 4,000."

    27. DT

      Damn.

    28. MS

      True. (laughs)

    29. JR

      Yeah, 4,000-

    30. DT

      Hey, what would the charge be for posting something?

  9. 25:26 – 39:50

    Tribal politics and pop culture fatigue: when entertainment feels like propaganda

    1. MS

      It's a cool thing that it feels weird now that it's, like, the younger generation everybody's like, they just like, it feels cool to say, like, "Fuck America." Like, people are like-

    2. JR

      (sniffs)

    3. MS

      ... you wear a, an American shirt they just think you're a fucking-

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. MS

      ... MAGA guy or some- It's like, dude, what, you can't be proud of where you're from?

    6. JR

      Exactly.

    7. MS

      You're from America you can't be proud of your country?

    8. JR

      America's everything. It's, it's all the things, you know? It's just, we're so tribalized and we have to get over that. That's the, the number one problem is people decide that those people that they hate, and they hate everything about them, and then, okay, now you got 50% of the country that you can't associate with that's not on your team. Like, what did you do? And so, well, now you have to justify everything your team believes in, including shit that doesn't make any sense, and shit that is probably immoral-

    9. MS

      (exhales)

    10. JR

      ... you know? Especially when it get, you get into, like, trans kid surgeries and shit like that. Like, you have to sign-

    11. MS

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      ... off on that.

    13. MS

      Right.

    14. JR

      Because if you don't, then you're signing off on these right-wing bigots that wanna fucking, you know, put the Bible in every-

    15. MS

      Sure, yeah, you're a Nazi.

    16. JR

      Yeah, you get, you're a Nazi.

    17. MS

      The-

    18. JR

      It's like we're, it's v- bad. Both, both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side, because it's all cartoonish. 'Cause most people live in the middle of shit.

    19. MS

      Yeah. Yeah.

    20. Yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, I, I feel that's 100% true. Most people are in the middle. I'd, I'll, I think you made a, like, the point you made earlier too, you're getting just fired through the algorithm, (laughs) you know, the shit that-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. MS

      ... pisses you off if that's what you're clicking on all day long anyway.

    23. (sighs) Yeah.

    24. So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper I think 'cause we're just inundated 24/7. Like, sometimes you just gotta stop and get outside (laughs) or watch a TV show to decompress, you know?

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. MS

      That's the fucking problem though. You can't even enjoy-

    27. JR

      (grunts)

    28. MS

      ... I, man, what they did with Star Wars, with the Acolyte, you can't even enjoy-

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. MS

      (laughs)

  10. 39:50 – 54:14

    Powdered wigs, syphilis lore, and how disease reshaped history

    1. MS

    2. JR

      It was odd.

    3. MS

      You gotta be strapped.

    4. JR

      You hear the war horns. Yeah.

    5. MS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      You hear a fucking, a, a shell. (imitates shell exploding)

    7. MS

      That's right. (laughs)

    8. (laughs)

    9. JR

      Fuck.

    10. MS

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      You gotta wake up-

    12. MS

      Right?

    13. JR

      ... put your armor on.

    14. MS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    15. JR

      "Fuck, I can't believe I gotta do this."

    16. MS

      (laughs) .

    17. Imagine. Just imagine that shit.

    18. JR

      Bro, that's how they lived forever. That's how people lived for thousands of years. It's nuts. It's amazing we made it as far as we did.

    19. MS

      I don't know if we'll do another thousand.

    20. JR

      (smacks lips)

    21. MS

      Not with these TikTok little motherfuckers here.

    22. I think, negative million? What's the matter with you?

    23. JR

      No, I'm just saying like, think, think about what-

    24. MS

      We're not gonna be here anymore.

    25. JR

      Think about where we are now, like those dudes, they was hard, right?

    26. MS

      Right.

    27. JR

      Like they, regardless, they was hard. Now we in TikTok culture. They ain't hard like that.

    28. MS

      We got AI coming, like-

    29. JR

      Nah, there's a lot of that and there's an encouragement of men to not be strong, which is always weird.

    30. MS

      And it's pushing the beta male thing.

  11. 54:14 – 58:00

    Vaccines, COVID incentives, and distrust in institutions

    1. JR

      Do you have unvaccinated blood? Do you have pure blood?

    2. NA

      I got pure blood, man.

    3. JR

      It's the-

    4. NA

      Do you? I got-

    5. JR

      Uh-

    6. NA

      I don't. They pay me, they pay me double.

    7. JR

      I got, you got it?

    8. NA

      Which, when they get to it.

    9. JR

      Three times.

    10. Did you ... Oh.

    11. NA

      Oh.

    12. JR

      I got all three of them.

    13. NA

      Oh.

    14. JR

      Is that what happened to you?

    15. Yeah. I got all ... I had to, man. I had to.

    16. NA

      Oh.

    17. JR

      Why?

    18. NA

      'Cause you gotta work.

    19. JR

      I had to work.

    20. NA

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      UFC made us.

    22. Work for what?

    23. NA

      UFC made weight.

    24. Yeah, they made us.

    25. JR

      They didn't make me. I don't give a-

    26. (sighs)

    27. NA

      If you gotta travel though. If you're traveling all over the place.

    28. JR

      Yeah, that's the problem. Some of these countries-

    29. NA

      Fuck that.

    30. JR

      ... won't let you in without it.

  12. 58:00 – 59:29

    Finally MMA talk: Dricus du Plessis vs. Khamzat Chimaev—pace, pressure, and gas tanks

    1. MS

      Crazy shit. Before I got here, I was watching, uh, fucking Khamzat versus Kamaru Usman. Not a- nothing to jump into that now, but-

    2. Yeah, yeah, let's jump into it.

    3. JR

      Let's do it, yeah.

    4. MS

      Uh, you know, I had Dricus on Unfiltered the other day.

    5. Yep.

    6. And y- you know, he's a, he's an intelligent guy, man.

    7. Yeah.

    8. He's not g- he's not a guy that doesn't do his homework, and he was just saying about everybody talks about how aggressive Khamzat is, and he goes, "Watch his fight in Kamaru Usman the second round." Over three minutes of him just standing in front of him.

    9. Standing there.

    10. He's like, "He's not gonna be able to do that to me. He's gonna be working the whole time."

    11. Sure.

    12. He trains so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes, that one minute gets him right back. It's almost like he approaches that at, like, five different fights.

    13. Yeah.

    14. Like, you know what I mean? 'Cause in that one minute he comes back down, and then he goes back out there again, Dricus. And we were just talking that we saw-

    15. Right, right.

    16. ... you saw the same thing I saw.

    17. Yeah, the quintet thing.

    18. With his grappling ability, he took out a whole... I mean, listen, it's different, those guys were a lot of guard players.

    19. Yeah, it was, yeah. And it was-

    20. But he did, he did a quintet-

    21. JR

      I saw that.

    22. MS

      ... and submitted everybody.

    23. And he submitted them all.

    24. Again, they were more jujitsu guys-

    25. Jujitsu.

    26. It's a different type of style, but that was impressive. Not to mention, and I, I looked, you know, the, my producers gave me his bio and everything, and I'm like, dude he started, his first thing inma- the first entry into martial arts was at five years old doing judo, and his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling. I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler, everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks.

    27. Well, we, you know I'm on your side with this, we had that talk last night.

    28. Yeah.

    29. JR

      Yes. I mean... He's, he's a monster.

    30. MS

      Yeah.

  13. 59:29 – 1:38:43

    Merab’s relentless engine, gym culture, and why jiu-jitsu ages you fast

    1. JR

      And th- there's guys, and you know this 'cause you work with Merab, there's guys that reach this level of discipline and they achieve a level of cardiovascular performance that's just above everybody else's, and then they maintain it. Like, they get that advantage and they keep pushing it and they slowly keep adding onto it. Like, you're seeing Merab now...

    2. MS

      Oh my God, he's a savage.

    3. JR

      Like, particularly in the, the second O'Mally fight. You're seeing just, like, a totally different beast. He's super confident.

    4. MS

      Nonstop.

    5. JR

      Nonstop.

    6. MS

      Yes.

    7. JR

      And you can't-

    8. MS

      Relentless.

    9. JR

      ... you can't keep up with that. You know, he's like, "It's just hard work, it's just hard work."

    10. MS

      Yeah.

    11. (laughs)

    12. JR

      I believe that, but man...

    13. MS

      You have a state of mind too, like, mental... He believes it mentally, but you know-

    14. JR

      But it's just the amount of hard work is extraordinary to get to that level. And I think Dricus is kind of a, a similar thing.

    15. MS

      Yeah, that kind of guy.

    16. JR

      I think that dude works so hard that he can go out there and fight full blast, which is wh- it's weird to, when you watch him fight, like sometimes it doesn't look as clean.

    17. MS

      Yeah, he looks like he's mouth breathing...

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. MS

      But he just keeps the same pace.

    20. JR

      But that was part of, that was the earlier fights before he got his nose fixed.

    21. MS

      Ah.

    22. JR

      So he got his nose fixed.

    23. MS

      All right.

    24. JR

      So he could breathe out of his nose.

    25. MS

      All right, well, makes sense.

    26. JR

      Changed everything, and then was, went on a tear after that, was, that's when he crushed Whittaker. Like, the Whittaker one was shocking.

    27. MS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      'Cause we all know how durable Whittaker is.

    29. MS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      The Yoel Romero fights, like that guy's durable as fuck. To watch him just flatten him like that you're like, "Whoa."

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