JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Matt is the host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton and is the owner and lead instructor at Serra BJJ. Din is a mixed martial arts analyst, actor, and host of "FightCourt." https://www.groundcontrolbaltimore.com https://www.serrabjj.com https://www.youtube.com/@FightCourt Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Visit https://www.squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website.

Matt SerraguestJoe RoganhostJohn RalloguestDin Thomasguest

Aug 14, 20253h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:01 – 1:52
Marijuana legalization, medical use, and who profits from prohibition
1. NANarrator
  (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
2. The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. MSMatt Serra
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) You good?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  We're up. We're up.
5. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs) What? Hey, guys. (laughs) We're back. (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh. It's just like getting pulled over by the cops, the window rolls down.
7. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
8. JRJoe Rogan
  The cop's like-
9. NANarrator
  (laughs)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... "What the fuck were you doing?"
11. NANarrator
  Shit. Joe, I took, I took one hit of that shit. That shit was strong as hell. I feel high already.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm. That's good for you, D. It's good for you. Opens your mind. It's the right stuff. Yeah, there's some talk about, uh, Trump legalizing marijuana now.
13. NANarrator
  Right?
14. JRJohn Rallo
  That would be amazing.
15. MSMatt Serra
  That, I mean, it kinda feels like it is legal right now.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it should be. It's so stupid. It's so da- we're- I can't believe we're still dealing with this. I mean, I would've thought by the time, I just turned 58, I would've thought by the time I'm 58, we would've figured this out.
17. JRJohn Rallo
  Right?
18. MSMatt Serra
  Ca- can I tell you, when I, with my ulcerative colitis, it always ca- uh, we always start with my ass for some reason.
19. NANarrator
  (laughs)
20. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
21. NANarrator
  (laughs)
22. MSMatt Serra
  But with my ulcerative colitis, after my co-colonoscopy one time, the doctor's like, "Well, uh, there's this pill you could take. It, it could affect your liver, but not for many years. Like, not for..." Now, this was when I was like 39. I'm 51 now. I w- I'd be, I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Liver, right?
24. JRJohn Rallo
  Yeah.
25. MSMatt Serra
  So what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me. It just, it just helps, and I don't have to... If that's not fucking up my liver or anything.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Bro, it would ru- it would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem.
27. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
28. JRJohn Rallo
  (laughs)
29. JRJoe Rogan
  The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry. The alcohol industry...
30. MSMatt Serra
  Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right? Yeah.
1:52 – 4:49
Cartel grow-ops on public land and the unintended consequences of weak enforcement
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the real big problem is who's selling if, if it's illegal? The cartel.
2. JRJohn Rallo
  That's right.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, I've, I've talked about this before. If you've heard it before, I'm sorry. But there's a guy named Jon Norris who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden. He wrote a book called Hidden War. It was a, he was a game warden in California, you know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit, like liv- he loves the woods, loves being outdoors.
4. JRJohn Rallo
  Oh, he came on this shit. (laughs)
5. MSMatt Serra
  He came on this shit.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  And he came upon a cartel grow op in the middle of the national forest, and then they realize, oh, no, this is what they do. They go deep into the woods in public land, and they set up a grow op, and they got fucking AKs, and they got, you know, uh, uh, the V- Virgin Mary photos...
7. JRJohn Rallo
  Yeah.
8. MSMatt Serra
  ... that they pray to at night.
9. JRJohn Rallo
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  It's crazy. Like full-on campsites filled with cartel dudes. They, they started turning into a tactical team. So this guy had to get Be- Belgian Malinois and bulletproof vests, and they're getting in shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods.
11. JRJohn Rallo
  I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger, and he's out there-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, thought he was getting in, like...
13. MSMatt Serra
  No shit.
14. JRJohn Rallo
  Yeah, yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Hear people's fish stories. Like, "How'd you get this one?" You know. No, he's fucking getting in shootouts, because it's illegal.
16. MSMatt Serra
  Damn.
17. JRJohn Rallo
  With the cartels. Damn.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.
19. MSMatt Serra
  Mm.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  So the cartel could just grow illegally.
21. MSMatt Serra
  And it's just a misdemeanor, right?
22. JRJohn Rallo
  Yeah, no big deal.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a misdemeanor. And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit. Like-
24. MSMatt Serra
  Right.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow ops. And what he was saying, at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think, that th- that was the number, in the country, in places where it's illegal, is coming from these dudes. And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbs that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit, shit that's outlawed in farms in America. But they just... But it's effective, and so they're using it. So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbs. There's no rules, man. It's, it's illegal weed. If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking fac- the fire-
26. JRJohn Rallo
  Yep.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... the farms and the factories. It'd be just like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, we'd all be fucked. We'd be drinking moonshine.
28. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
29. JRJoe Rogan
  No one would... You know what I mean?
30. JRJohn Rallo
  True. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt.
4:49 – 6:09
Prohibition parallels: alcohol, “drugs,” and corruption by money
1. MSMatt Serra
  How long did the, uh, prohibition last for?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Prohibition on alcohol, that's a good point. I think it was 10 years. Was it 10 years, Jamie?
3. MSMatt Serra
  Must've been a rough fucking 10 years. (laughs)
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Bro, it had to be crazy.
5. MSMatt Serra
  Must've been. Yeah, right.
6. JRJohn Rallo
  But that's where, that's where the organized crime got all their money coming from.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Didn't they say that to a NASCAR team year? Joe?
8. JRJohn Rallo
  Yep, that's when Nascar... I just-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  13 fucking years, for 13 fucking years, alcohol was illegal in this country. You know how crazy that is? A grown man telling you you can't have a drink.
10. JRJohn Rallo
  Right. Who was... Same thing with the smoke. What's the problem with that?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's exactly the same thing.
12. MSMatt Serra
  It, it's, it's weird.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly the same thing. We're just delusional about it, and, and we put it under the label drug, which is alcohol. Alcohol is a drug, dummy. It's all... They're all drugs.
14. MSMatt Serra
  No, everything's a drug. Every-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Every... There's a lot of drugs.
16. MSMatt Serra
  Caffeine is a drug.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, exactly.
18. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  We're drinking espresso. Please just stop it. It's just knowing how to use each drug, and the only way you know how to use it is, is if people are honest and if they do studies. You have actual scientists who aren't being paid off to come up with some sort of negative or positive result. You know, that's what it's supposed to be.
20. MSMatt Serra
  Mm-hmm. Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  For all of us. It's all just fucking co-opted by money.
22. NANarrator
  Did you know Maryland didn't enforce it?
23. JRJohn Rallo
  No, they hadn't-
24. NANarrator
  Never heard that.
25. JRJohn Rallo
  Maryland didn't enfor- Well, that's good. Good for Maryland.
26. MSMatt Serra
  So there you go, W- (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  So yeah, keep drinking your thing for Maryland.
28. NANarrator
  Shout out to Baltimore. (laughs)
29. JRJohn Rallo
  Shout back to that state. By the way, how crazy is that?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... right? Also, home of ground control- Yeah. (laughs) ... of the whole world. (laughs)
6:09 – 10:28
Self-promo shirts, Serra’s ‘Serra Slice,’ and pizza pride as a lifestyle
1. MSMatt Serra
  Hey, guys. I, I, I guess I missed the memo.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  That's right. I thought you and Matt Serra-
3. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah, I missed the fucking memo. (laughs)
4. JRJoe Rogan
  This was a totally organic move. I've known you for 30 years. I know, totally. I- Uh, uh- We didn't talk about this at all. Nah. Well, I saw Matt wore his last time and I said-
5. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... "That's it. The green light." I'm shamelessly self-promoting, and then Dean came down like a motherfucker.
7. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I gotta get 'em in. He goes, "I gotta represent." And then you came in with it, so-
9. MSMatt Serra
  I, I, the only thing is that we didn't talk about it.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... totally organic. I love it.
11. MSMatt Serra
  I know. That's crazy.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  That's crazy. (laughs)
13. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs) I feel like I'm left out of the loop here.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. (laughs) I know. I wish we had some extras.
15. MSMatt Serra
  I'm trying to get a sponsor by True Classic.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Or a marker. We can start throwing extra shirts.
17. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Shit, I had an extra one too. You know what's so funny? I had one that was still in the package and I was like, "Should I bring this?" I'm like, "Nah, I don't need this."
19. MSMatt Serra
  I think you should've, man.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I should've. Would've been a great size. Sure, sure. That would've been great.
21. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
22. JRJoe Rogan
  That was like the universe telling me that you needed one of those shirts. Right, right. (laughs) And I, and I ignored it. That's great.
23. MSMatt Serra
  We're talking about stuff that's good for you, and I've been telling you I've been eating a ton of fucking pizza and I still got abs.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh-oh, here it comes.
25. MSMatt Serra
  Here it comes.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  The Serra Slice. Are you serious? (laughs)
27. MSMatt Serra
  Yes. Listen to me. Can I tell you, I'm so... You guys are pooping on me.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I can see it in Midtown right now. Yeah, you're fucking pooping on me.
29. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Serra S- Slice. I'm sorry. Serra Slice.
10:28 – 17:36
Potassium bromate, American flour, and why bread ‘hits different’ in Europe
1. JRJoe Rogan
  That is the number one problem with any of that carnivore diet bullshit.
2. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the number one (laughs) , the number one problem is pizza.
4. MSMatt Serra
  Oh, right. Yeah. No doubt.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Pizza and Italian subs. Yeah.
6. MSMatt Serra
  He was telling me that it's not even legal-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  If you-
8. MSMatt Serra
  ... in Europe to have the bromate.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it is, definitely.
10. MSMatt Serra
  I didn't know what the fuck bromate was.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. MSMatt Serra
  He goes, "It's stuff they put in the, in the, uh, the dough to make it last longer" and this and that.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
14. MSMatt Serra
  This kid has such balls where he started importing it. It's twice as much for a flour, Caputa, Caputa flour.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
16. MSMatt Serra
  Dude, I don't know much, I know a lot about food.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
18. MSMatt Serra
  You know, I'm having espresso, he tells me the whole thing about the bromate.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Joe, you feel different if you eat that flour.
20. MSMatt Serra
  I'll eat this shit on the way to go train at my school and I, I, I'm not doing that with Pietro's, no offense. I'm not doing that with other s-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (clears throat)
22. MSMatt Serra
  He has a... It's so good.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Potassium bromate, a flour additive used to strengthen dough may have potential health risks. While it's legal in the US, it's banned in many other countries due to concerns about its potential carcinogenic effects. Studies have linked it to kidney and thyroid cancers in animals. Well, fucking duh. And it's been associated with genotoxic and nephrotoxic effects in both animal models and humans. Acute symptoms from ingestion can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain.
24. MSMatt Serra
  They put this in our flour, dude.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, my God.
26. MSMatt Serra
  That's what I'm saying.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  That's crazy. That's crazy.
28. MSMatt Serra
  So out of all the-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  It causes changes in DNA. Wow. And potentially lead to mutations.
30. MSMatt Serra
  Guys.
17:36 – 19:17
Sponsor break (AG1) and back to culture/politics fatigue
1. JRJoe Rogan
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2. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs)
3. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah. (laughs)
4. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You know that one cousin?
6. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs) Yeah.
7. MSMatt Serra
  Right. (laughs)
8. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And they text you later-
10. DTDin Thomas
  Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and you're like, "Jesus Christ."
12. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs)
13. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
14. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs) We all got that one cousin, right? He's just like, "Yo, man."
15. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) He wants to talk to you about-
16. DTDin Thomas
  Yeah. (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... communist theory, but come on, you fuck.
18. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah, relax. (laughs)
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Shut, shut up.
20. DTDin Thomas
  (laughs)
19:17 – 25:26
Free speech anxiety: Canada fines, UK social-media arrests, and edited clips
1. JRJoe Rogan
  They're fining people for walking in the woods. You hear about that?
2. MSMatt Serra
  Where?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  In Saskatchewan. Is that where it is, Jamie?
4. NANarrator
  I have no idea.
5. DTDin Thomas
  Walking in the woods?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, this guy got fined 20... They, they told you that if you get caught in the woods, because it's so hot out, they're worried about wildfires. There's no wildfires, but they're worried about wildfires. Every year you worry about wildfires. So to combat this, they-
7. MSMatt Serra
  You can't go near your house.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they fine people $28,000 to walk into the woods.
9. MSMatt Serra
  For walking through the woods?
10. DTDin Thomas
  That's a lot of money.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And one guy did it.
12. DTDin Thomas
  Oh, fucking retarded.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  One guy's like, "Fuck you, I'm going to the woods." And then he went viral, of course.
14. MSMatt Serra
  Man.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Which is a good move, probably 20-
16. MSMatt Serra
  But what's going on in the UK?
17. JRJoe Rogan
  This is the guy.
18. MSMatt Serra
  I mean, they're put-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Good $28,000 move.
20. DTDin Thomas
  Damn.
21. MSMatt Serra
  They're putting, uh, thousands of people in jail for social media posts.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah. No, banana stuff.
23. MSMatt Serra
  These, fuck, it's getting... Everybody's going communist.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, one, one person put this, uh, Facebook post or something like that, critical of immigrants and saying they come over here and rape and murder our women, and because of putting that up on Facebook, this person got 20 months in jail.
25. MSMatt Serra
  Absolutely ridiculous.
26. DTDin Thomas
  Damn.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  20 months in jail.
28. DTDin Thomas
  That was way... Damn.
29. MSMatt Serra
  Oh, really?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  In the UK.
25:26 – 1:04:07
Tribal politics, entertainment becoming ideological, and ‘woke’ pop culture complaints
1. MSMatt Serra
  It's a cool thing that it feels weird now that it's, like, the younger generation everybody's like, they just like, it feels cool to say, like, "Fuck America." Like, people are like-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  (sniffs)
3. MSMatt Serra
  ... you wear a, an American shirt they just think you're a fucking-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
5. MSMatt Serra
  ... MAGA guy or some- It's like, dude, what, you can't be proud of where you're from?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly.
7. MSMatt Serra
  You're from America you can't be proud of your country?
8. JRJoe Rogan
  America's everything. It's, it's all the things, you know? It's just, we're so tribalized and we have to get over that. That's the, the number one problem is people decide that those people that they hate, and they hate everything about them, and then, okay, now you got 50% of the country that you can't associate with that's not on your team. Like, what did you do? And so, well, now you have to justify everything your team believes in, including shit that doesn't make any sense, and shit that is probably immoral-
9. MSMatt Serra
  (exhales)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you know? Especially when it get, you get into, like, trans kid surgeries and shit like that. Like, you have to sign-
11. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... off on that.
13. MSMatt Serra
  Right.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Because if you don't, then you're signing off on these right-wing bigots that wanna fucking, you know, put the Bible in every-
15. MSMatt Serra
  Sure, yeah, you're a Nazi.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you get, you're a Nazi.
17. MSMatt Serra
  The-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like we're, it's v- bad. Both, both fucking versions are bad of both sides when you're looking at it from the other side, because it's all cartoonish. 'Cause most people live in the middle of shit.
19. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah. Yeah.
20. Yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, I, I feel that's 100% true. Most people are in the middle. I'd, I'll, I think you made a, like, the point you made earlier too, you're getting just fired through the algorithm, (laughs) you know, the shit that-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. MSMatt Serra
  ... pisses you off if that's what you're clicking on all day long anyway.
23. (sighs) Yeah.
24. So it just drives that wedge deeper and deeper I think 'cause we're just inundated 24/7. Like, sometimes you just gotta stop and get outside (laughs) or watch a TV show to decompress, you know?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. MSMatt Serra
  That's the fucking problem though. You can't even enjoy-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  (grunts)
28. MSMatt Serra
  ... I, man, what they did with Star Wars, with the Acolyte, you can't even enjoy-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
30. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
34:04 – 48:33
Columbus didn’t ‘discover America’: timelines, colonization brutality, and myth-making
1. JRJoe Rogan
  But the crazy thing is, we give him credit for landing here and he didn't even make it here.
2. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  He landed in like the Indies, right? Like the West Indies?
4. MSMatt Serra
  That's what I thought.
5. JRJoe Rogan
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6. MSMatt Serra
  Bahamas is nice.
7. NANarrator
  Hey, I don't give a fuck where he landed. That motherfucker went out into the ocean 500 years ago on a boat.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Crazy, we give him Christopher Columbus Day, he didn't even land here.
9. MSMatt Serra
  Think about that, uh, I mean, I'm looking at the Vikings. These motherfuckers si- you know, just conquered nations, going everywhere.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh yeah. So what does it say here? Uh, San Salvador-
11. MSMatt Serra
  First landed-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in the Bahamas, yeah. His first landed an island in the Bahamas. Like that is not America, bitch.
13. NANarrator
  (laughs)
14. MSMatt Serra
  (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  You don't get credit for, you didn't get credit for discovering America.
16. MSMatt Serra
  It's like the Italians were taking credit anyway.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's probably when them diseases started hitting them areas.
18. NANarrator
  Oh, also had that, history of smallpox goes back to the sixth century, started in China.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Smallpox does?
20. NANarrator
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Interesting.
22. MSMatt Serra
  Right.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  So the sixth century-
24. NANarrator
  Fuckin' China.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And then was it mostly smallpox that killed off the Native Americans? Or was it a bunch of different diseases that we brought with us?
26. NANarrator
  Probably, I mean-
27. MSMatt Serra
  Here it is, 17th century-
28. NANarrator
  17th century European settlers bring smallpox.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. MSMatt Serra
  ... to North America.
48:33 – 54:22
Microplastics, fertility anxiety, testosterone decline, and TRT/‘old juice head’ wisdom
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I think it's also... It's... There's real concerns that intelligent people have about population decline. That sounds kinda crazy. Like we're not gonna have a population decline.
2. MSMatt Serra
  Well, it's happened.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  There's plenty of people. But the problem is people are not having nearly as many people, like replacement people. It's like not enough. Like in order for a society to exist at the same numbers is... Essentially everyone has to have kids.
4. MSMatt Serra
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Right? But a giant percentage of people, like in our generation and younger generations, are not having kids.
6. MSMatt Serra
  True.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  They're, they're deciding to opt out of it and just focus on their career. And-
8. MSMatt Serra
  They say in Italy and here, uh, I mean Japan-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Japan.
10. MSMatt Serra
  Like, they're all having a negative, uh-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. MSMatt Serra
  ... you know, population over the years. Like they're not having enough kids to sustain the population.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And you add into that microplastics (laughs) that, that are killing everybody's falls.
14. MSMatt Serra
  It's killing everyone.
15. Knocking their... Knocking down your, your...
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it's not a reproduction.
17. It's kinda weird. It's like a thing that we don't see coming.
18. (sighs)
19. You know, we don't see it coming, like real population, but, but places like Japan are freaking out, man.
20. Yeah.
21. They're, they're really worried about it. South Korea, same thing.
22. Really?
23. Like, yeah. It's, could be a real problem.
24. I didn't even know that was a thing.
25. Well, it just makes sense, man. If you've got everybody just wants to have a career and if you can't focus on your career because you have kids, you put your kids off till you're in your late 40s.
26. Hey, what's the number? Like, the 2.1 or something? (laughs) You know, you have to have 2.1 kids in order to maintain the, uh, you know, the just ele- current level of population.
27. Someone was telling me that in vitro fertilization, which a lot of women use, that those hormones that they have to give you i- are linked to cancer.
28. Really?
29. Is that true, Jamie?
30. NANarrator
  I, well ... I'm not sure.
54:22 – 58:00
COVID-era mandates, incentives, and distrust of institutions
1. NANarrator
  Oh.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  I got all three of them.
3. NANarrator
  Oh.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that what happened to you?
5. Yeah. I got all ... I had to, man. I had to.
6. NANarrator
  Oh.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Why?
8. NANarrator
  'Cause you gotta work.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  I had to work.
10. NANarrator
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  UFC made us.
12. Work for what?
13. NANarrator
  UFC made weight.
14. Yeah, they made us.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  They didn't make me. I don't give a-
16. (sighs)
17. NANarrator
  If you gotta travel though. If you're traveling all over the place.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's the problem. Some of these countries-
19. NANarrator
  Fuck that.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... won't let you in without it.
21. Well, I mean-
22. NANarrator
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They wouldn't let us in without it.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  When you fucking make someone take something because they y- y- the only way you could, they could use your service is if they take ... 'cause you think that th- this thing is gonna work and it doesn't work, shouldn't you be able to go, "Fuck you. You made me take this and this thing didn't even work."
24. NANarrator
  It isn't even work. Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  It didn't even do any of the things you said.
26. NANarrator
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, it's- I feel bad for the people, man.
28. It's crazy what you can get away with in the world, especially during something like a pandemic, you know, where everybody just agrees to different rules.
29. (sighs)
30. 'Cause that's what happened during the pandemic.
58:00 – 1:07:35
MMA deep dive: Dricus du Plessis vs Khamzat Chimaev, cardio science, and ‘deep water’ questions
1. MSMatt Serra
  Crazy shit. Before I got here, I was watching, uh, fucking Khamzat versus Kamaru Usman. Not a- nothing to jump into that now, but-
2. Yeah, yeah, let's jump into it.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Let's do it, yeah.
4. MSMatt Serra
  Uh, you know, I had Dricus on Unfiltered the other day.
5. Yep.
6. And y- you know, he's a, he's an intelligent guy, man.
7. Yeah.
8. He's not g- he's not a guy that doesn't do his homework, and he was just saying about everybody talks about how aggressive Khamzat is, and he goes, "Watch his fight in Kamaru Usman the second round." Over three minutes of him just standing in front of him.
9. Standing there.
10. He's like, "He's not gonna be able to do that to me. He's gonna be working the whole time."
11. Sure.
12. He trains so fucking hard that he puts out everything in that five minutes, that one minute gets him right back. It's almost like he approaches that at, like, five different fights.
13. Yeah.
14. Like, you know what I mean? 'Cause in that one minute he comes back down, and then he goes back out there again, Dricus. And we were just talking that we saw-
15. Right, right.
16. ... you saw the same thing I saw.
17. Yeah, the quintet thing.
18. With his grappling ability, he took out a whole... I mean, listen, it's different, those guys were a lot of guard players.
19. Yeah, it was, yeah. And it was-
20. But he did, he did a quintet-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I saw that.
22. MSMatt Serra
  ... and submitted everybody.
23. And he submitted them all.
24. Again, they were more jujitsu guys-
25. Jujitsu.
26. It's a different type of style, but that was impressive. Not to mention, and I, I looked, you know, the, my producers gave me his bio and everything, and I'm like, dude he started, his first thing inma- the first entry into martial arts was at five years old doing judo, and his second discipline was at 12 years old doing wrestling. I mean, it's not like he's not a grappler, everybody's just so used to him fucking throwing his bombs and his kicks.
27. Well, we, you know I'm on your side with this, we had that talk last night.
28. Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes. I mean... He's, he's a monster.
30. MSMatt Serra
  Yeah.

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Marijuana legalization, medical use, and who profits from prohibition

Cartel grow-ops on public land and the unintended consequences of weak enforcement

Prohibition parallels: alcohol, “drugs,” and corruption by money

Self-promo shirts, Serra’s ‘Serra Slice,’ and pizza pride as a lifestyle

Potassium bromate, American flour, and why bread ‘hits different’ in Europe

Sponsor break (AG1) and back to culture/politics fatigue

Free speech anxiety: Canada fines, UK social-media arrests, and edited clips

Tribal politics, entertainment becoming ideological, and ‘woke’ pop culture complaints

Columbus didn’t ‘discover America’: timelines, colonization brutality, and myth-making

Microplastics, fertility anxiety, testosterone decline, and TRT/‘old juice head’ wisdom

COVID-era mandates, incentives, and distrust of institutions

MMA deep dive: Dricus du Plessis vs Khamzat Chimaev, cardio science, and ‘deep water’ questions

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