JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

1. 0:00 – 2:33

   White House UFC event rumor: “8–9 title fights” and logistics skepticism

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) All right, what's happening brother?

   3. BABrendan Allen0:13

      Joe Rogan, thanks for having us. 2020...

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      My pleasure. So, Jamie, what were you just saying?

   5. NANarrator0:18

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I, I, I stopped you because it sounds-

   7. NANarrator0:20

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      ... so crazy.

   9. NANarrator0:21

      So, uh, Trump said there's gonna be eight to nine title fights at the White House UFC event, and that they're, I guess, in quotes, "withholding"?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Okay, first of all-

   11. NANarrator0:29

       They're holding back title fights right now.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... there's only eight weight classes. So, how's there gonna be nine title fights?

   13. NANarrator0:33

       I don't know.

   14. NANarrator0:34

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       There'll be a b- BMF fight. Maybe add a BMF. Maybe you have all of them- I guess.

   16. NANarrator0:38

       ... in the BMF.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       I guess, but that's kind of a crazy thing. "We're gonna have 20 title fights!"

   18. NANarrator0:43

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       "All the title fights there's ever been!" Um, did he say any match-ups?

   20. NANarrator0:48

       No, he didn't say who. He just said they're gonna, I don't think, actually, if there's even like a tweet about it. But I just saw him talking about it. It was like a, I don't know, press conference or something.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Well, if they don't do Jon Jones at the White House, I think it'd be a travesty.

   22. BABrendan Allen1:01

       For sure. They have to.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       They need to do that.

   24. BABrendan Allen1:03

       They have to.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Come on. Dana's like, "You can't count on him." You can't fucking count on him. Come on. Stop.

   26. BABrendan Allen1:08

       When he wants to, he's gonna-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Yeah.

   28. BABrendan Allen1:10

       ... he's gonna make it happen, for sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       At the White House? Come on. Jon Jones versus, let's see, what does it say here? "Donald Trump predicts eight or nine cham-" (laughs)

   30. NANarrator1:18

       (laughs)
2. 2:33 – 5:38

   Outdoor fights are chaos: heat, rain, humidity, and the ‘Wet ’n’ Wild’ example

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      Also, you're fighting outside, you know.

   2. BABrendan Allen2:35

      Yes. That's what I, like, what are they gonna do? Put a roof over it? Like what happens if it rains? Then what do you do?

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:40

      What if it's hot? What if it's hot and muggy?

   4. BABrendan Allen2:41

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      That's gonna affect people, you know.

   6. BABrendan Allen2:43

      Yeah. I've s- I've watched them do outside fights in Louisiana. Oh, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:46

      Oh, God. Louisiana's the, you can cut that air.

   8. BABrendan Allen2:49

      Dude, you gotta see. Everyone's slipping and sliding. It's so humid.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      Oh, that's terrible.

   10. BABrendan Allen2:53

       It's ter-

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Did you ever see that King of the Cage fight that they did where it was raining?

   12. BABrendan Allen2:57

       I seen a highlight of it, but I never watched the whole thing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Yeah, it was called King of the Cage: Wet 'n' Wild, and it rained out. This was in the day when we, uh, we used to have to, um, put on fights at Indian casinos. I p- I'm pretty sure Eddie Bravo was doing the commentary back then. And, um, they, it rained out. And so they were like, "What do you guys wanna do?" And, uh, everybody was like, "Well, we wanna get paid, so I guess we have to fight."

   14. BABrendan Allen3:19

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       So, they fought in the fucking rain.

   16. BABrendan Allen3:21

       Oh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       I mean, it was crazy, 'cause the-

   18. BABrendan Allen3:23

       How do you do that? (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       I don't remember what the canvas was made out of. It might've been slick. It might've been like a vinyl ca- It might, it might not have been like a canvas like the UFC's canvas-

   20. BABrendan Allen3:33

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       ... which is actual canvas. It might've been like a jujitsu mat type situation. Which is-

   22. BABrendan Allen3:38

       That's what it was. And Louisiana with the humid... So, I can't imagine the rain. The rain's gotta be crazy.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       It was pouring. It was pouring down on people. See if you can find some highlights of King of the Cage Wet 'n' Wild.

   24. BABrendan Allen3:48

       It was-

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       It's gotta be worse than blood on the canvas. Uh, or blood-

   26. BABrendan Allen3:51

       Oh, it has to be.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       ... blood on the vinyl. Right. It has to be.

   28. BABrendan Allen3:53

       It's terrible.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       It has to be the, the worst.

   30. BABrendan Allen3:54

       It just doesn't stop. Just...
3. 5:38 – 9:46

   More outdoor combat sports history: Abu Dhabi bugs and Caesars Palace boxing

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      Abu Dhabi. That's right. We did a live one outdoor in Abu Dhabi. I remember that. That was when-

   2. NANarrator5:44

      Like a bu- 5,000.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      ... um, BJ fought Frankie Edgar.

   4. BABrendan Allen5:46

      Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      Yeah, and Anderson f- Oh, God.

   6. NANarrator5:52

      Uh, uh, Damien Maia.

   7. BABrendan Allen5:53

      Damian Maia.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:54

      Damian Maia. That's right. That's right. Oh, that's right. That was, that was like Damian... Anderson and Damian had real beef, and so Anderson was like yelling at him in the first round.

   9. BABrendan Allen6:01

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       Trying to kill him in the first round, and then he kinda ran out of gas. And so you just kind of coasted for the remainder of the fight and Dana was really pissed, 'cause he just-

   11. BABrendan Allen6:09

       I remember that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       ... coasted and won a decision.

   13. NANarrator6:11

       I think Enrique just put that back out there. (laughs)

   14. BABrendan Allen6:14

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       I guess, but that wasn't good, dude. By the way, in Abu Dhabi, they had...... these bugs that were flying around this time, they're small birds.

   16. BABrendan Allen6:22

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       It was, it was crazy. I was like, "This is n-" 'Cause, you know, you're in the desert.

   18. BABrendan Allen6:26

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       It's very weird. Very weird having an outdoor fight in the desert.

   20. BABrendan Allen6:30

       Uh, it's like mosquitoes in Louisiana, man. They come out of the swamp water.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Yeah.

   22. BABrendan Allen6:33

       And I don't know what they're doing, but they're huge.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Well, back in the day, they used to have fights like that in Vegas. They used to have boxing matches outside.

   24. BABrendan Allen6:40

       Really?

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Caesars Palace used to have them outside. Yeah.

   26. BABrendan Allen6:44

       Dang.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       See if you can find some of those, uh... I know, uh, f-... Oh, I think, like, they had some good fights outside, like some world championship fights that were outside Caesars Palace.

   28. BABrendan Allen6:56

       I think it'd be cool to say you did, but I don't think I wanna do it at this level.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       (laughs) No.

   30. BABrendan Allen6:59

       'Cause if something does go wrong-
4. 9:46 – 11:25

   Brendan Allen’s early path: starting jiu-jitsu at 13 and family influence

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:46

      When did you first start training? How old were you?

   2. BABrendan Allen9:48

      13.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:49

      And what did you start with?

   4. BABrendan Allen9:50

      Jujitsu. I didn't even, like, really mean to, to be honest. Like, I was playing football. I love football. And, um, my brother came home 'cause he switched schools and his friend was like, "Hey, you wanna do jujitsu?" And we were watching, you know, UFC on the weekends. That was like, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell trilogy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:04

      Yeah.

   6. BABrendan Allen10:05

      And all those guys. So we watched them on the weekends, and, um, he asked. So we went there and looked. And I was still playing football. It was football season. And, um, my dad's like, "You wanna try it?" I was like, I watched the class and I was like, "Dad, I wanna do it." And he's like, "Okay, we'll get you the trial gi." I was like, "Dad, I don't want to borrow a gi. Can y- can we, can you buy me one?" And my parents didn't have much money. We were... My dad was just starting to do okay for himself at that point. He's like, "If I buy you this gi, I promise you, for the rest of the year you're coming-"

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:30

      (laughs)

   8. BABrendan Allen10:30

      "... three times a week at least." I was like, "Yes, sir." So I started and never looked back.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:36

      Wow.

   10. BABrendan Allen10:36

       A couple months later my brother and my dad joined me and we did it all together for a little while. Then my brother found girls and he went his way. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       (laughs)

   12. BABrendan Allen10:44

       So yeah, it's been a long road.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       That's derailed a lot of young prospects. (laughs)

   14. BABrendan Allen10:49

       (laughs) It definitely got him. It definitely got him, man. That life took him elsewhere. And I don't know, luckily I stayed. He would've been better than me though. He was a lot tougher and...

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Yeah, but it's a l-... Is he the older brother?

   16. BABrendan Allen11:01

       He's the older.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       It's usually the younger brother that winds up being the real good fighter.

   18. BABrendan Allen11:05

       Yeah, he beat me up a lot.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       Because the younger... That's the thing.

   20. BABrendan Allen11:07

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       That's the thing. You, you learn resilience. You learn how to be the nail.

   22. BABrendan Allen11:11

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:11

       You know? And the older brother oftentimes is too comfortable being the hammer.

   24. BABrendan Allen11:15

       Yeah, but my dad would put him in his place. So luckily, he wa- he was used to (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       (laughs)

   26. BABrendan Allen11:19

       ... being the nail a little bit too, you know? My dad's a big man, so, um... Yeah, man, life is crazy. Uh...

5. 11:25 – 15:39

   Learning to strike the hard way: brutal sparring culture and early gym realities

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:25

      So when did you start striking?

   2. BABrendan Allen11:28

      Well, my dad boxed when he was younger, and his, his grandfather taught him how to box. And he was like, uh... He did something, uh, like won, like, a golden gloves in the military or something, back when they had, like, the, the boxing gloves that were made of, like, horse hair.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:41

      Oh, wow.

   4. BABrendan Allen11:42

      Yeah, so, um, he taught my dad to box. And so my box-... My dad boxed in high school. So he was kind of teaching me little stuff here and there growing up. But you know how it is, man. Who listens to their father? Now I look back and I'm like, "Man, I wish I would've listened more." And I say stuff that he was like, "What'd I tell you 10 years ago?" You know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:58

      Mm-hmm.

   6. BABrendan Allen11:58

      Um, but I started striking probably, like, 15, maybe 15 and a half, somewhere around there. But it was all grown men back then. Especially, like, where I came up at. There was no, like, beginners' classes or anything like that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:09

      Right.

   8. BABrendan Allen12:09

      And these guys are 24, 25, 26. I mean, there's been a couple of times, man, I got hit and I thought my jaw was broken. I start crying. I mean, like, smack, and then it was just like... I couldn't open my mouth, and...

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:21

      That's the problem with a lot of boxing gyms in particular, is that when new guys come in, they just beat them up.

   10. BABrendan Allen12:28

       Yeah, they did.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:29

       You know?

   12. BABrendan Allen12:29

       They beat me up, for sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:29

       They don't, they don't box you, like spar you rather. They fight you.

   14. BABrendan Allen12:34

       Yeah, they beat the crap out of me.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:35

       And they know how to fight and you don't know how to fight, yeah.

   16. BABrendan Allen12:37

       You know, one of my best friends, uh, who was with me, like I started with him, was Kurt Holobaugh. And him and Dustin Poirier were the two biggest where we were from at that time. So I remember, uh, Tim Prater reached out to Kurt.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       Crazy Tim.

   18. BABrendan Allen12:49

       Yep. And he was like, uh, "Hey, why don't y'all come spar? We got Dustin." And I think Dustin was just about to go to WEC or he was r- he was right around there at that time. So we're like, "Let's go." Kurt's like, "Hey, you wanna go?" "Yeah, let's go." So we go over there for sparring. And I'm sparring this guy, man, he had to be like five foot one. Like he was tiny, short. And, uh, Kurt goes with Dustin, and I'm sitting here trying to watch them go 'cause I mean, they're throwing, they're fighting. They're, they're not sparring. And this guy's hitting me and I'm like, "Get off of me."

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       (laughs)

   20. BABrendan Allen13:20

       Like trying to watch. And the same day, like so we sparred like, I don't know, four or five rounds. It was nice. And then, uh, and I'm only like 14, 15 years old at this time. And then it would start on the ground in your guard. And, uh, I go with Dustin 'cause everyone like said my jujitsu was good and it was for that time, but I was still just a kid. Dude, he hit me so hard when they said... Literally when they said go, it was like boom, right in my mouth and I was like, "Well, I guess this is what we're doing." I hurried up and grabbed and tried to sweep and all that kind of stuff, but man, I never forget that moment to this day. Like last night I trained with Dustin and I was like, "Hey, you remember that time you-"

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       (laughs)

   22. BABrendan Allen13:56

       "... you beat me up? Like I'm not little no more."

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       You had three weight classes above him now. (laughs)

   24. BABrendan Allen14:01

       Yeah, yeah. So like I see all the guys like that. There's one guy in particular, if I see him, I told everyone, "I'm whooping his ass."

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       One guy, you don't wanna name him?

   26. BABrendan Allen14:09

       His name's J-Mart.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Oh okay.

   28. BABrendan Allen14:11

       Great guy, nice guy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:13

       But...

   30. BABrendan Allen14:13

       But training...
6. 15:39 – 27:02

   Weight cutting, giant middleweights, and hydration test loopholes (ONE vs UFC)

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:39

      Yeah.

   2. BABrendan Allen15:39

      "... we're not gonna, we're not gonna make money for our family." So I always, I always took that in and obviously I'm not like a huge guy like they were, but it's like, even like when I was training in Florida, I knew when me and Robocop go, we're fighting. Like I know it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:52

      Dude, that guy is scary.

   4. BABrendan Allen15:54

      You know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:54

      Both y- both you guys, like how the fuck are you making 185 pounds? And you're on a smaller side in comparison to him.

   6. BABrendan Allen16:01

      Yeah, dude. It's, my weight cuts way h- harder than his.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      Is it?

   8. BABrendan Allen16:04

      Yeah. He walks... Dude, surprisingly, I asked him before 'cause he, he has, you know, he has a great like physique, right? He's a big guy. When I see him I'm like, "Bro, how much you weigh?" He's like, "Oh, like 205." I said, "No way. No way." He's like, "I'll step on the scale right now." Steps on the scale, 206. I was like, "No way." I've seen him a little bit bigger.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      How was he, he got bird bones? That doesn't even make any sense.

   10. BABrendan Allen16:25

       I have no idea. I thought the same thing. But me, I step on the scale, I mean right now I'm probably like 225 but I haven't done nothing since I fought. But I stay around 215, 220. And I'm the runt of my family so like my body wants to get bigger but I'm like, "Uh, I got unfinished b- business here."

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       (laughs)

   12. BABrendan Allen16:39

       So yeah. Joe's, Joe's a, a big 85er. Joe Pyfer.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       Oh yeah.

   14. BABrendan Allen16:43

       He's...

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       He's a huge 85er.

   16. BABrendan Allen16:43

       He has a hard cut.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       He's huge.

   18. BABrendan Allen16:45

       He has a hard cut. That's why I'm like when he gets... (sniffs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Yeah, like how is that guy-

   20. BABrendan Allen16:49

       Look at this one hand.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       How is that guy 185?

   22. BABrendan Allen16:52

       Dude, he is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       When I stand next to him I'm like, "How?"

   24. BABrendan Allen16:55

       Same.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       I can't believe he walks around 205 'cause that doesn't even make sense.

   26. BABrendan Allen16:58

       That's what I seen him at. I, hey, if it's a lie, guys, strike me down now 'cause...

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       I think he rigged that scale.

   28. BABrendan Allen17:04

       He mul- well we was all using it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       He probably uh, he probably had his heels on the ground. (laughs)

   30. BABrendan Allen17:07

       There, he was... I was super surprised. My boy Tuko was with me. We was all in the room and I was like, 'cause I called him out on it. Everyone else wouldn't say it but I was like, "No."
7. 27:02 – 53:22

   Fighting hurt: foot fractures, ACL damage, and recovery tools (stem cells, hyperbaric)

   1. BABrendan Allen27:02

      I think where I'm at, it, it would have to be, like, a interim title or something like that. Outside of that, right now, plus, like, the reason I- I'm so big and I was out, like, I had fractures in my foot, so I had to, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:15

      Did you have fractures in your foot from the fight or just you had them before the fight?

   3. BABrendan Allen27:19

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:19

      Oh, God.

   5. BABrendan Allen27:20

      Yeah, which we didn't know. I just knew it hurt, like...

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:23

      (laughs)

   7. BABrendan Allen27:23

      And to be honest with you, like, I had them before the fight before that, but I didn't know. Like, I was just like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:28

      Oh, wow.

   9. BABrendan Allen27:28

      ... "Man, it hurts." Like, I thought it was just, like, a muscle so I just would roll it out, Theragun it, like, you know, that's what I, that was what I would do.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:35

       How many fractures?

   11. BABrendan Allen27:36

       They said they s- they saw three, but they were small.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:39

       (laughs)

   13. BABrendan Allen27:40

       They were just, like, diff- like, right where it, like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       (sighs)

   15. BABrendan Allen27:41

       ... the toe meets the base of your foot.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:43

       Oh. Is it from elbows?

   17. BABrendan Allen27:45

       I don't know. I don't... It was on my lead foot too, so I was like, "I don't even know."

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:49

       Oh, wow.

   19. BABrendan Allen27:49

       Like, I don't teep a lot 'cause I'm scared of, like, stuff like that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:52

       Yeah.

   21. BABrendan Allen27:52

       Um, yeah, but I've fought with crazy stuff, man. I tore my w- whole, like, ACL in half, uh, calves, everything when I fought Paul Craig.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:02

       Did you really?

   23. BABrendan Allen28:02

       Yeah, when that knee s- that, uh, calf slicer.

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:05

       Uh-huh.

   25. BABrendan Allen28:05

       In half.

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:06

       It just blew your ACL out?

   27. BABrendan Allen28:07

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:08

       Oh, god.

   29. BABrendan Allen28:08

       I didn't know, so, like, in the second round when I go to throw the punch, ev- uh, I think it was Dominick Cruz, he was like, "Oh." They clipped each other and they showed the replay and he hits my hand. He never hit, like, my face or anything, but he-

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:18

       But your knee just buckled?
8. 53:22 – 1:02:46

   Nightlife violence and why fighters avoid proving themselves in public

   1. JRJoe Rogan53:22

      Also, it's fucking pointless. I've seen bar fights where, you know, there's young guys and they just like see an opportunity, they want to prove something and I'm like, I just want to tell them like, "Hey, man, one day you're gonna be 35, you're gonna be looking back on this day and maybe it's the day you got stabbed."

   2. BABrendan Allen53:38

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan53:38

      Maybe it's the day you got shot. You know, maybe it's the day you got knocked the fuck out and your head bounced off the concrete and you'll never be the same person again.

   4. BABrendan Allen53:45

      Yeah, I, I like exactly what you said, it's just not worth it like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan53:48

      You know Kevin James, the, the comedian?

   6. BABrendan Allen53:50

      Yeah, yeah. He used to come to the gym.

   7. JRJoe Rogan53:51

      Oh, that's, that's awesome.

   8. BABrendan Allen53:52

      He's awesome.

   9. JRJoe Rogan53:52

      He trains a lot. Good friend of mine. Uh, been fri- friends of mine for 30 years. When I first met him, he told me a story of when he was bouncing. When he was bouncing at a bar in Long Island one of his friends there was a bouncer and some drunk kid was starting shit and he knocked this kid out and the kid fell down and hit his head and died and he wound up doing time. He went to jail for manslaughter.

   10. BABrendan Allen54:14

       It, my, one of my best friends got stabbed in the face in New Orleans 'cause he was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan54:17

       Oof.

   12. BABrendan Allen54:17

       He didn't even know he was talking to this dude's chick and he didn't know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan54:20

       Right.

   14. BABrendan Allen54:21

       He didn't know. Like she didn't say nothing. She came up to him, he was just at the bar.

   15. JRJoe Rogan54:24

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   16. BABrendan Allen54:25

       Dude came and stabbed him in the face, broke his jaw.... uh, stabbed him-

   17. JRJoe Rogan54:29

       Oh, my God.

   18. BABrendan Allen54:29

       ... and ran. He has a, he has this nice scar. It's... He's older now, so it's kind of went away but, like, through his beard. But, uh, wired his jaw shut. He, he was messed up for a while, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan54:39

       Jesus Christ. Stabbed him in the jaw. What?

   20. BABrendan Allen54:39

       In the face.

   21. JRJoe Rogan54:40

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   22. BABrendan Allen55:18

       Exactly.

   23. JRJoe Rogan55:19

       Yeah. You just got lucky.

   24. BABrendan Allen55:21

       So it's like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan55:21

       You just got lucky to hit that jaw and not your fucking carotid artery.

   26. BABrendan Allen55:24

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan55:24

       Oh, my God.

   28. BABrendan Allen55:25

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan55:25

       I watched a video of these guys in London. And they're yelling at each other and squaring off each other back and forth, and back and forth. And then, finally, they get out of it and one guy just pulls out a fucking knife and slices this dude's neck. And this dude is just squirting out of his neck. And he tries to fight for a second, then he just gets woozy. And, and he's just squirting as he goes down. I don't know what happened.

   30. BABrendan Allen55:47

       It's crazy.

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