JRE MMA Show #180 with Daniel Rodriguez

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. SPSpeaker0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 2:18

   Daniel Rodriguez is free: how a celebratory night led to a Mexico arrest

   1. SPSpeaker0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience

   3. SPSpeaker0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] What up?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      D-Rod, free.

   5. SPSpeaker0:14

      Yes, sir.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Free man. [laughs] What a fucking crazy story. So let's, let's fill people in. So you were a top contender in the UFC's welterweight division, and then somehow or another, you wound up-

   7. SPSpeaker0:25

      Yeah

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      ... getting arrested in Mexico.

   9. SPSpeaker0:27

      Yeah, man, right after the, uh, Kevin Holland fight, actually. I was ce- I was in, I was celebrating. I was over in San Diego. Um, had some drinks and decided, "You know what? Let's go to, let's go to TJ." It seems, you know-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Oh, always a phrase that [laughs] is regretted.

   11. SPSpeaker0:45

       Yeah. Well, we're not even that far.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       When you're in San Diego and you're drinking, you could walk there. Shit.

   13. SPSpeaker0:49

       Y- yeah, yeah, literally. So, um, decided to go to, to TJ for the, for the night, you know, go celebrate my win. I was obviously in celebration mode. And I had a ounce of weed in the car, you know, and I've been across the border 100 times, bro. Never had no issues, never had no problems, never got stopped, pulled over. That's the last thing I would even think is that-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       I thought weed was legal in Mexico.

   15. SPSpeaker1:13

       I thought, I thought so, too. Like, here-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       I thought everything's decriminalized down there.

   17. SPSpeaker1:18

       Uh, apparently not, man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       [sighs]

   19. SPSpeaker1:20

       The, the, the laws are, like, crazy, crazy strict over there, you know? And, and I've been in situations before where I could, like, just offer some money and get out the situation, you know, like 500 bucks at, at the most, you know, and they'll just let me on my way. But got pulled over at the border, and the border inspection, um, found, found the weed in my, in my, in my backpack. And I was thinking I was gonna be in that, in that situation where I could bribe my way out of it, 'cause it's Mexico. I've been there before and, and, and I've been in these situations. And nah, man, I thought ... You know, they took me to jail that night, and, uh, I was thinking, "All right, I'm just gonna be here for the weekend. I'll get out Monday," you know, go to court. And they're like, "No, we'll see you in a month." I'm like, "A month?" You know, like, "Why? [laughs] It's just weed." You know what I mean? And, um, yeah, eight months later.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       Holy shit.

   21. SPSpeaker2:17

       Yeah, dude.

3. 2:18 – 4:03

   Mexico marijuana law confusion: decriminalized—except for tourists and the border

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      Jimmy, s- can you please look up what the, the laws are in Mexico for marijuana? 'Cause man, I was reading something just a few years ago how they ... Here it goes. Marijuana is decriminalized for personal recreational use in Mexico, but there's no legal commercial market, and buying it or selling it remains illegal. For tourists and visitors, possession is strictly prohibited.

   2. SPSpeaker2:40

      Wait, what the hell?

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      It's tourists and visitors. So for everybody else, you would be good. Like, if you were a Mexican resident, you would've been good it looks like, according to this. Uh, personal limits can possess up to five grams, uh, and up to 28 grams is decriminalized. How many grams are in a-

   4. SPSpeaker3:03

      It's one ounce

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:03

      ... it's one ounce?

   6. SPSpeaker3:04

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      28?

   8. SPSpeaker3:05

      Yeah, so it was a, it was approximately 28 grams.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      So approximately, you should've been decriminalized. [laughs] But the thing is, I think it's if you live there. The border. Transporting marijuana, including edibles and concentrates, across the US-Mexico border is either, in either direction, is a serious federal offense. US Customs and Border Protection strictly enforces federal laws prohibiting the import/export of cannabis. But wait a minute, that's, that's US, but what about Mexico? You got arrested by Mexican police, right?

   10. SPSpeaker3:36

       Yeah, I got, I got, uh, arrested on, at the Mexican border.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Either direction. Wow. But, but I feel like if you got arrested by Mexico ... Anyway, tourists. While small possession is technically decriminalized for Mexican residents, the Mexican government explicitly prohibits tourists from possessing or consuming drugs, and you could face serious jail time. So that's crazy. Like, people would go over there going, "Hey, no worries. I'm in Mexico. It's decriminalized here."

   12. SPSpeaker4:01

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       But not for a fucking tourist.

4. 4:03 – 5:41

   Facing years in prison: corruption, bribes, and a judiciary in transition

   1. SPSpeaker4:03

      You would, you would ... Dude, they were trying to give me six years, bro.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      Oh my God.

   3. SPSpeaker4:06

      Six years.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      Oh my God.

   5. SPSpeaker4:07

      And, and I had to, we had to do all kinds of stuff for me to get out, dude. Like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      Did the UFC in- get involved?

   7. SPSpeaker4:13

      Um, Hunter did. Um, my management did reach out to, uh, Hunter, and they couldn't do anything. I guess-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:20

      Nothing

   9. SPSpeaker4:20

      ... the reason why, [clears throat] I think I-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       Isn't there somebody who could get a little of that?

   11. SPSpeaker4:25

       All right, we'll get into that. We'll get into that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       [laughs]

   13. SPSpeaker4:27

       That's ... 'Cause I, I'm out. I'm out.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       Right.

   15. SPSpeaker4:29

       You know? And, um, so I learned real quick how corrupt the, the system is over there. Everybody's trying to get, trying to get paid. And the reason why that I was in there so long is, I guess, at the time where I got arrested, the, the, the whole, uh, judicial system was going through an election at the time, so it was new judges, um, that ... So all the, all the judges that were, like, taking bribes and stuff before, they had all got ... They, they, they switched out the judges, so the new judges were there, were like, "All right, we just got here. We're not trying to take no ... You know, we're trying to play it by the book and get comfortable." So I was supposed to get released in December. And, and I guess, I don't even know if, if I could even really-

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       Don't get in trouble.

   17. SPSpeaker5:19

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       Yeah.

   19. SPSpeaker5:20

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       Don't get in trouble.

   21. SPSpeaker5:21

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       Not worth it.

   23. SPSpeaker5:21

       Yeah, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       You can tell me later. [laughs]

   25. SPSpeaker5:23

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       If it's anything super crazy.

   27. SPSpeaker5:25

       Yeah, it's very corrupt. It's very corrupt in there. But, um, you know, it's, it's, it's crazy, dude. Like, even being in there, um ... So my whole experience, my whole experience in there was, like, so crazy.

5. 5:41 – 6:32

   Language survival and the surreal ‘UFC in handcuffs’ moment

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:41

      How well do you speak Spanish?

   2. SPSpeaker5:42

      I'll ve- I'm, I'm, I'm a expert now.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      Okay.

   4. SPSpeaker5:44

      I'm, like, fluent.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      Flu- [laughs]

   6. SPSpeaker5:46

      Fluent.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      Because of that experience, or before?

   8. SPSpeaker5:47

      Well, I had already been-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:49

      You obviously must have been-

   10. SPSpeaker5:49

       I, I had already known Sp- I already know Spanish, but being in there, uh, it's like became-

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       Fluent

   12. SPSpeaker5:56

       ... you know, different, so fluent.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:56

       Yeah, of course.

   14. SPSpeaker5:56

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       But thank God you could speak it.

   16. SPSpeaker5:58

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Imagine if, like, I got arrested in Mexico. I'd be fucked.

   18. SPSpeaker6:00

       Yeah, so when I first got there, um, when, when I went to court the first time, th- one of the guards recognized meAnd he's like, "You know I'm in handcuffs and shit." And he's like, "Yo, can I get a picture?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       [laughs]

   20. SPSpeaker6:13

       I'm like, "What? What?"

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:16

       [laughs]

   22. SPSpeaker6:17

       So [laughs] I'm right there taking pictures with the guards, bro.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Oh my God. [laughs] That must have been so surreal.

   24. SPSpeaker6:23

       Yeah, dude.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       Oh my God, you're a fucking top UFC contender in cuffs in jail. The fucking guard wants to take a picture with you. Wow.

6. 6:32 – 7:55

   Processing hell: overcrowding, bugs, and the brutal first 10 days

   1. SPSpeaker6:32

      While I'm in handcuffs, and the other inmates were like looking around like, "What the fuck? Who is this guy?" You know? 'Cause like the, the guard was like, "Yo, this is, this is such and such," you know? So, um, as we're getting transported to the jail, which was the worst ... I mean, I've been in jail before. I've like ... I, I'm like from the age of 15 to like 23, I was constantly in and out of jail. You know, I'm from LA. You know, um, I was, you know, a gang member and, and you know, living in the hood. And, uh, this time around was a whole different experience. Um, one, I'm in a foreign country. And, uh, so I get there and they put us like in the, in the processing area. And the processing area was like probably about this, this big, and like 20 dudes in there.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:26

      Geez.

   3. SPSpeaker7:26

      All sleeping on the floor. Two dudes per bunk. Three, three, um, on a three bunk, th- three levels bunks. And, um, I was there for like the first, like the first 10 days.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:41

      Jesus Christ.

   5. SPSpeaker7:41

      And it was hell, bro. It was the worst. Like I had ... I don't know what kind of bugs there was in there, but they were like biting up my whole body. I had like, like just, just bite. I don't know what it was, dude. It was like, I don't even know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      Bed bugs probably. Something like that.

7. 7:55 – 12:44

   Paying for a ‘better’ jail: guards’ prices and moving into cartel-controlled VIP

   1. SPSpeaker7:55

      Yeah. Probably, probably bed bugs or something. And, um, right when I had first got there, one of the inmates that saw, that seen the guards taking pictures of me was like, we were right there conversating the whole time, and he, he had, he had just got released from there, but he had did five years. He was out for like two weeks, got arrested with a gun, and then came back. So he's like, "Hey, I'm co- ... He's like, "I'ma, I'ma try to get you out of here." You know? And, um, over there the guards had tried to charge me seven grand, bro, to get me out of that, to get me out of that cell and to move me into like a better, a better place. 'Cause over there if you got, if you got some money, you'll be all right. You know? And, um, and so right before that happened, the dude that ... It was like, "Yo, I'ma come back for you, bro. Don't even worry about it."

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:44

      So how, but how does this work? Does the guard come up to you and go, "Hey, I can get you in a cell, but it'll cost you 7,000"?

   3. SPSpeaker8:50

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:50

      They come up to you and tell you that?

   5. SPSpeaker8:51

      Yeah. So the dude that I, that was, that was, that I had got to the, the prison with, he comes back down and he's like, "Hey." He's like, "Hey, um ... " The guards came, they pulled me out, and then they pulled me, they bring me to a whole different like section of, of, um, of the prison. Third, the third floor in the second building. And I go up there, and I'm escorted by the guards, and there's like a curtain. There's like a, a, a curtain covering like the tier. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Like, why is there a curtain? And I get in there, and they pull me to this dude, and this dude's like, "Oh, you're, you're a UFC fighter?" You know, it turns out dude's like the head of the cartel. You know, like a cartel leader. And he's like, he's like, "Oh." He's like, "I wanna just show you around a little bit, let you know how, how we're running things over here," you know? Kinda just gave me the rundown. And, uh, this dude had it made, you know? Like I get there and there's TVs in the fucking cell. Dude has a PlayStation.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      [laughs]

   7. SPSpeaker9:52

      He has like [laughs] like a whole bunch of just all the amenities you can think of, you know? Um, he's like, yeah, he's like showing me around and shit. Kinda, kinda showing me off. He's like, "Hey, hey guys, look. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. You know, he's a UFC fighter." You know, and I'm like, "All right. You know, what's going on here?" You know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:11

      [laughs]

   9. SPSpeaker10:11

      And [laughs] like, you know, 'cause it's jail, dog.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       Right.

   11. SPSpeaker10:14

       You know, like I'm like, if anything happens, I'ma fucking use all my experience to survive this motherfucker, you know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:21

       Right. Right.

   13. SPSpeaker10:22

       And so he's like just pretty much giving me the rundown. He's like, "Yo," uh, he's like, "I run in here. This is like pretty much, you know, our, our ... This is our home," you know? So that dude was facing some charges. He got released, and, um, he was, he was facing some charges of, um, him and his like 13 dudes. He got arrested with his whole crew. Him and 13 dudes were all on that tier, so he had all his whole, his whole squad with him. And they had got arrested for dressing up as, as, um, like government officials or like military dudes. And they would go like raid dope houses and, and, and take their drugs, whatever. So they had got all arrested for that, and they were facing some serious time. And, and I'm, I'm over here like, dude, I just got arrested for a fucking ounce of weed, bro. This is crazy. He's like, "Oh no, you'll be out soon. Don't even worry about it. But if you want, we could get you, we can get you like accommodated and you could come up here with us. You know, like you could be my cell mate or whatever. You could be whatever you want." And I'm like, "All right." He's like, "Yeah, but, uh, it's gonna cost you a little bit of money." I was like, "Oh yeah? How much?" He's like, "3,000." I'm l- And I looked at the guard, the guard that was trying to charge me seven. I was like, "He said seven." He's like, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. He's trying to get more extra money out of you. Like, but you do gotta like pay to get up here and like kinda like pay rent a little bit, you know, to the guards." So I'm like, "All right."

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Wild.

   15. SPSpeaker11:52

       Yeah. Yeah. [laughs]

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       Wild.

   17. SPSpeaker11:54

       So I'm like, "All right, cool." So immediately I want- I was like, "Yeah, let's do it." So [laughs] they give me like this brand new like Nike track suit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       Oh, shit.

   19. SPSpeaker12:02

       Yeah. And I'm like, "All right." He's like, "Well, come, well, come up here tomorrow." So I get there, um, I get there and then he's like, "Yeah, just be my cell mate." So-Um, I pretty much ended up being like this guy's like... I ended up getting the, the feeling like I was like his protection kind of. Like or like, you know like when we would go to yard, I'd just be like, he'd be like, "Hey, walk with me." Like and I would kind of like just... I got the impression like, like, like all right, I'm his cellmate, you know. Um, like I got this guy's back, you know. He got my back, I got his. And I really trusted him, you know. And, and, and that's one of the hard thing to do in jail. But like you catch vibes off people real easy.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:43

       Mm-hmm.

8. 12:44 – 14:42

   Building a fight camp behind bars: gloves, bags, and avoiding sparring drama

   1. SPSpeaker12:44

      You know? And, and, and yeah, dude, it was just a crazy-ass experience, dude. I ended up, um, we ended up working out with the, with the, working it out with the, with the guards to, to get me some fucking boxing gloves, dude. I ended up getting some boxing gloves in there. Um, some, some mitts. And it just so happened that the dude that I was cellmates with, he had a little bit of boxing experience. So he, he had been a boxer before, so I was like, "Oh, perfect," you know. And he actually knew how to hold pads and stuff. So, so I ended up spending this whole time [laughs] like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      Please tell me you didn't spar him.

   3. SPSpeaker13:20

      No. [laughs]

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:21

      [laughs]

   5. SPSpeaker13:22

      No. He wanted to, um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:24

      No, no, no, no, no.

   7. SPSpeaker13:25

      Nah, nah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:25

      That could... That's how it goes south.

   9. SPSpeaker13:28

      Yeah, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       Yeah.

   11. SPSpeaker13:28

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       I'm glad you're smart. [laughs]

   13. SPSpeaker13:32

       Yeah. [laughs]

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       You know what I'm saying? Like as soon as-

   15. SPSpeaker13:33

       Yeah, he wanted to go beat up some-

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       ... you said boxing gloves, I'm like, "Oh, I d- please tell me this doesn't end the way I think it ends."

   17. SPSpeaker13:37

       Nah, nah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Yeah.

   19. SPSpeaker13:39

       But yeah, we ended up, we ended up actually being really cool. And, um, yeah, dude, I ended up pretty much spending this whole time like in a boxing fight camp, you know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       Oh, wow.

   21. SPSpeaker13:48

       Yeah. I remember I even, I even made like a, a makeshift double end bag. What I did was like I got balled up like a bunch of plastic bags, like really like, like made it real tight and like so it's like hard. Threw it in a sock. Um, I was able to, to, to buy, um, from the guards, like, uh-

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       Bungee cord?

   23. SPSpeaker14:08

       Yeah, bungee cord, and then set that up and then-

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       Oh, nice.

   25. SPSpeaker14:11

       Yeah. And I made a heavy bag 'cause they had like these big gallons of water and, and I, I got the gallon of water and I wrapped it with like the, um, the mat from the, from the bed. So I was like... And I just threw it in a bag and I, and we had like a pull-up bar in, in our, in our cell and I made a, I made a heavy bag out of that. And then whenever we would go to yard, I would just spend the whole time running that yard. And I was just trying to do everything I could do to try and stay in shape, man. And it just time went, time went on and time went on and time went on. And, uh-

9. 14:42 – 21:58

   Malnutrition and lockdown crackdowns: losing muscle despite constant workouts

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      What, what kind of food did they get you in his cell?

   2. SPSpeaker14:45

      It was all junk food, dude.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:47

      Still?

   4. SPSpeaker14:47

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:47

      Him?

   6. SPSpeaker14:48

      Yeah. Um, it was all junk food like chips, noodles-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:53

      Damn

   8. SPSpeaker14:53

      ... soda, you know, water, condiments.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:58

      So no protein.

   10. SPSpeaker14:59

       None. None, none. None whatsoever. And I didn't think about that part, you know. Because I was working out like crazy and I was getting shredded, but as time went on, my mu- like I, like when I got out, I was skinny as hell, bro. I was skinny as hell. And, and the only source of protein would probably be soy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       Jesus Christ.

   12. SPSpeaker15:20

       Yeah. So they'll give like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       Couldn't you bribe someone to bring in some fucking meat if you're the cartel?

   14. SPSpeaker15:24

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing. Like it was crazy. Like so towards the end, towards like the, the, the final end of it, um, I guess the guards started cracking down on, on like a lot of the stuff that was going on. So we started to, to lose a lot of those amenities that we were getting in the beginning. And I, and I, I was just... You know, when I got out, I was just, uh, malnourished as hell, bro. I'll show you a picture later, like of what I looked like when I got out. Completely different person.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       How much weight did you lose?

   16. SPSpeaker15:58

       Um, I didn't really lose that much weight, but it was just like more my muscles were just-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Were you thinking about going to 55, where you're like, "Damn, I might be able to make 55." [laughs]

   18. SPSpeaker16:09

       [laughs] Man, I made-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Starve me

   20. SPSpeaker16:11

       ... I made 155 on- one 155 one time in my career.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       You're a big dude. You made 55? That must've been hell.

   22. SPSpeaker16:17

       Yeah. It was m- my... it was the worst fight camp ever. Um, it was all based on just-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       Losing the weight

   24. SPSpeaker16:24

       ... losing the weight, losing the weight.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       That's hell.

   26. SPSpeaker16:25

       And then I was just so... I remember after the... I made 155, I didn't even wanna go to the gym for like a, a month, bro. I was just like, "Dude, I need to... This, this..." Like my body was just done, bro.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah, you're killing your body.

   28. SPSpeaker16:39

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       What is this?

   30. SPSpeaker16:42

       Oh, yeah, that's some of the workouts I was doing while I was in prison.
10. 21:58 – 25:17

    Getting out, getting ranked, and booking the comeback: main event in Serbia

    1. SPSpeaker21:58

       I have, I have mentioned, like, yo, even when I got... When I, when I got released, um, that, uh, man, we, we did a whole lot of things to try to get me out, man. Um, there's a ton of fighters even try to pull some strings for me, like Yair Rodriguez. You know, uh, Brandon Moreno, he's from TJ. And, and, and nobody, nobody could help me out, man. Everybody tried to pull strings for me. And-

    2. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       Nobody came up with a number?

    3. SPSpeaker22:27

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       Did they?

    5. SPSpeaker22:28

       Eventually.

    6. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       What was... How much was the number? Can you tell? Uh, I don't want you to get in trouble.

    7. SPSpeaker22:34

       Nah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       No, don't get in trouble.

    9. SPSpeaker22:36

       Yeah, but it was-

    10. JRJoe Rogan22:37

        Talk to me later

    11. SPSpeaker22:37

        ... it was hefty. It was-

    12. JRJoe Rogan22:39

        I bet

    13. SPSpeaker22:39

        ... it was not cheap.

    14. JRJoe Rogan22:40

        I bet.

    15. SPSpeaker22:41

        It was not cheap at all.

    16. JRJoe Rogan22:42

        I bet.

    17. SPSpeaker22:42

        You know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan22:43

        Everybody wants to get paid.

    19. SPSpeaker22:45

        Yeah, dude.

    20. JRJoe Rogan22:46

        Fuck, man.

    21. SPSpeaker22:46

        Yeah, it was crazy. A crazy experience, dude. And, um, to get out of jail, you know, and then, and then now I have this fight. Uh, um, headlining, headlining, um, UFC Serbia, first time in Serbia, fighting Neros Medich. And-

    22. JRJoe Rogan23:04

        When is that fight?

    23. SPSpeaker23:05

        August 1st.

    24. JRJoe Rogan23:06

        Nice.

    25. SPSpeaker23:07

        Yeah, to get out of j- to get, to go through all that and then, and then to have this opportunity is just crazy. And to be here, to be here is just, is just crazy, man. 'Cause I didn't, I didn't think I was gonna get... I, I wasn't sure if I was gonna get out, man. I thought-

    26. JRJoe Rogan23:22

        For good reason. A lot of people don't.

    27. SPSpeaker23:24

        Yeah. Yeah, man.

    28. JRJoe Rogan23:25

        You know, the United States prison system is fucked too, but nothing like Mexico's. Everybody that I've talked to that has an- any experience in Mexican jail and... They're like, "Dude, it's not good."

    29. SPSpeaker23:37

        Yeah, no, man. Uh, it, it was, it was crazy. But-

    30. JRJoe Rogan23:41

        I just can't believe the cartel can't sneak meat in.
11. 25:17 – 34:38

    From gang life to UFC: late start at 25, street-fight experience, and discovering jiu-jitsu

    1. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       How old were you when you first started training?

    2. SPSpeaker25:19

       25.

    3. JRJoe Rogan25:19

       Wow.

    4. SPSpeaker25:21

       Yeah. First-

    5. JRJoe Rogan25:22

       That's late.

    6. SPSpeaker25:22

       First ... Yeah, dude. Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       To turn into a UFC contender, that's very impressive.

    8. SPSpeaker25:27

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan25:27

       Not a lot of guys started late. Did you have any sports experience before that?

    10. SPSpeaker25:31

        None, bro.

    11. JRJoe Rogan25:31

        Nothing?

    12. SPSpeaker25:32

        None.

    13. JRJoe Rogan25:32

        That's crazy.

    14. SPSpeaker25:33

        None, but I had, I had been in, no bullshit though, I had been in probably around 200 street fights already, including all my jail experience. You know, when I was in juvenile hall, I was a straight knucklehead, bro. Like, I was fighting like every other day. Um, and it was just, it became just fun. Just fun. Like if, if like you were like a, a, like a tough looking dude, I be like, "Hey, what's up, man? You wanna scrap or what, bro?" Like, you know, I would just ... He's like, "Why?" I'm like, " 'Cause you're big, bro. I just wanna fight you."

    15. JRJoe Rogan26:05

        [laughs]

    16. SPSpeaker26:07

        [laughs] Yeah, and, and-

    17. JRJoe Rogan26:08

        With no training? You had no training at all?

    18. SPSpeaker26:10

        Nah, no training, man. Just, just, just wanting, just wanna learn how to fight or just wanna be tough.

    19. JRJoe Rogan26:16

        By fighting?

    20. SPSpeaker26:17

        Yeah. Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan26:18

        That's a crazy way to learn.

    22. SPSpeaker26:19

        Yeah, dude. Just, and like, dude, you can't, I mem- like imagine getting in a fight with your cellmate. Like, that's some crazy shit.

    23. JRJoe Rogan26:26

        That's crazy shit.

    24. SPSpeaker26:27

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan26:28

        You gotta sleep together.

    26. SPSpeaker26:29

        Yeah. [laughs] Sleep with one eye open, bro. Like- [laughs]

    27. JRJoe Rogan26:32

        Can't be sleeping at all. Yeah.

    28. SPSpeaker26:33

        Yeah. And, um, yeah, so that's, that's the only experience I had prior to, to starting MMA. And then I remember I, I stopped going to jail when I was like 23, or I sto- or when I stopped going to jail, I started having kids. And I'm like, "All right, gotta start ... I gotta stop gang banging," because I used to think going to jail was cool.

    29. JRJoe Rogan26:55

        Really?

    30. SPSpeaker26:56

        I used to think it was cool because you get out and you just have like a little more respect. Like, like I thought, I thought it was cool. I thought like, like, "Oh, going to jail makes you a badass," you know? But once I started having kids, I realized like, "All right, I gotta take care of ... I got human beings I gotta fucking, I gotta take care of-"
12. 34:38 – 49:48

    Mental edge in the cage: why MMA feels ‘safer’ than real life violence

    1. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       You know, there's, there is a thing, though, about having a lot of street fights. There's a mental edge to being in a lot of conflict and a lot of combat, and one of the things I've always noticed about you when you fight, you're very calm. Like when you get in there, you're very relaxed.

    2. SPSpeaker34:52

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:52

       Like, and it's like life experience, you know?

    4. SPSpeaker34:55

       Yeah. I, I-

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       That, that's a factor.

    6. SPSpeaker34:57

       Yeah. I just feel like in a MMA fight it's, it's a safe environment. Like believe it or not, to me it's safe.

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:05

       Right.

    8. SPSpeaker35:05

       You know, 'cause I've been in, I've been in s- 'cause if anything goes wrong, the ref's right there like, "All right, there, that's it."

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:11

       Right.

    10. SPSpeaker35:11

        "It's done," you know? It's a fair fight. You know, uh, I've been in situations where I don't know if I'ma live.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:17

        Right.

    12. SPSpeaker35:18

        You know? If I don't survive this, I might die.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:21

        Yeah.

    14. SPSpeaker35:21

        You know? And, and I think that I carry that a lot, you know, while, while, while I fight, and that's why I look so calm because, um, I've been, I'm calm in hectic sit- like-

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:34

        Yeah, it's not the worst-

    16. SPSpeaker35:35

        ... situations like that

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:35

        ... thing you've experienced.

    18. SPSpeaker35:36

        No, man.

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:36

        That's, for a lot of fighters, it's the most dangerous thing they've ever experienced.

    20. SPSpeaker35:40

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:41

        When they step into that octagon, and they close that door, and they're looking across this octagon at another trained killer like, "Oh, boy," like this is the scariest thing that's ever happened to them.

    22. SPSpeaker35:50

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:50

        So there's a mental benefit that you have for having all those street fights. And even though you didn't start until late, man, the mental game might be most of fighting, you know?

    24. SPSpeaker36:00

        Yeah. Man, when I, when, when I step in there, I'm just, I'm just happy to be there, you know? Like I, I, I'm lucky to be out here. I'm lucky to be, have my freedom. I'm lucky to be alive. You know, so when I'm, when I'm walking out to a fight, like I just feel, I just feel happy, dude. I'm just-

    25. JRJoe Rogan36:17

        [laughs]

    26. SPSpeaker36:17

        I'm just, it's just happy, happiness. Like, you know, 'cause while I'm backstage I'm like thinking, "How did I get here, dude?" You know? Like I'm just, "How the fuck did I do this? How did I make it this far?" You know?

    27. JRJoe Rogan36:29

        Right, right.

    28. SPSpeaker36:30

        And you know, like a situation like-Like this, like we're, I'm fresh out of, fresh out of jail, you know, and, and, and I'm like, "Dude, like main event in Serbia against a guy from Serbia is crazy, bro. But you know what? Just live, live that shit, man." I like, like I told myself like, "Dude, this is your opportunity to, to tell, like, to... Like this shit's a movie, bro. Like my life is crazy."

    29. JRJoe Rogan37:00

        It is a movie if you think about it. I mean, very few people live that life. In and out of jail many times, locked up in Mexico for eight months, never knowing if you're gonna get out. Next thing you know, you're headlining a UFC card.

    30. SPSpeaker37:13

        Yeah, man. Sitting here-
13. 49:48 – 57:20

    Training base and the UFC PI: Vegas logistics, recovery tools, and ‘Power Slap’ debate

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:48

       I'm sure. Where are you training now?

    2. SPSpeaker49:50

       So right now I'm in, I'm in Vegas training over at, uh, the PI at Extreme-

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:55

       Oh, that's great

    4. SPSpeaker49:56

       ... at Extreme Couture right now, and, and freestyle MMA while I'm in Vegas. And, uh, while I'm in California, I go to Classic, Classic Fight Team, uh, training at, over at Renori and 10th Planet. You know, so I'm just... But right now, uh, I'm, I'm in Vegas right now. It's so much, so much easier. LA's crazy, dude. I, like, I'm on the road. When I'm in LA, it's just I'm on the road all fucking day. Just LA traffic is just a nightmare.

    5. JRJoe Rogan50:25

       Yeah.

    6. SPSpeaker50:25

       So that's why, like, uh, I'm in Vegas right now, because everything's so close together and so convenient and, and-

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:32

       It's also so high level. There's so much high level training in Vegas.

    8. SPSpeaker50:36

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan50:36

       And the PI is an amazing resource for fighters, you know, as far as nutrition, cutting weight. I mean, they'll get your meals for you. They get your supplements for you. They make sure that everything is, w- n- you know, safe for sport, approved so you don't have to worry about testing positive for anything. Like, the PI is amazing.

    10. SPSpeaker50:53

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan50:54

        Such an incredible resource.

    12. SPSpeaker50:55

        Yeah. Right now it's a little bit crazy because, um, they're, they're, they're letting, like, the slap fight guys go there and the Zufa Boxing guys, I think.

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:05

        Yeah?

    14. SPSpeaker51:05

        So yeah, those guys are, are using-

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:07

        The slap fight guys train?

    16. SPSpeaker51:09

        I, I... [laughs] I don't know how they train. Like, how do you, how do you train for that, bro, you know? They do neck workouts. I don't know.

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:17

        I guess that's it.

    18. SPSpeaker51:18

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:19

        Right? Swinging things with your arms.

    20. SPSpeaker51:22

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan51:22

        You know? I guess, like, cable machines.

    22. SPSpeaker51:24

        [laughs]

    23. JRJoe Rogan51:25

        Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, get a cable-

    24. SPSpeaker51:26

        Oh, yeah

    25. JRJoe Rogan51:26

        ... tie it to your wrist and do this a l- a bunch of times.

    26. SPSpeaker51:29

        Yeah. So they have, um, at the PI they have, like, this, like this thing that gauges your, um-

    27. JRJoe Rogan51:35

        Mm-hmm

    28. SPSpeaker51:35

        ... your power-

    29. JRJoe Rogan51:36

        Yeah

    30. SPSpeaker51:36

        ... and your strike, and that, those, they use that, they use that all the time.
14. 57:20 – 1:06:13

    Outdoor fights and the White House UFC card: weather, bugs, and chaotic conditions

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:20

       You know what would've been crazy? If you were on the White House card. If you got really... [laughs]

    2. SPSpeaker57:24

       Dude, that's gonna be major, dude. That's crazy.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:26

       That's gonna be major. I wish it was inside, but it is gonna be crazy. It's so funny watching people lose their mind over it, you know, in all, in all sorts of different ways.

    4. SPSpeaker57:36

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:36

       Lose, lose their mind over it because they hate the political situation in this country. Lose their mind over it because they feel like it's a waste of money. Why they spending so much money? This country's in, in, in debt, and we got problems. Why are we having a fight? And then other people are like, "Fuck yeah." [laughs]

    6. SPSpeaker57:50

       [laughs] Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:51

       It's a... You know, I mean, there's no more American thing than having a UFC fight on the White House lawn. It's so American.

    8. SPSpeaker57:58

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan57:58

       It's so cr- It's so Trump. It's so crazy.

    10. SPSpeaker58:01

        [laughs]

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:01

        You know what I mean?

    12. SPSpeaker58:02

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:02

        A UFC fight on the White House lawn is bananas.

    14. SPSpeaker58:06

        Yeah, man, even, um, the fight card is amazing as well.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:09

        Oh, fight card's incredible. The only thing that bothers me is that it's outside.

    16. SPSpeaker58:13

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:13

        You know? These guys are, they're fighting for world titles. I mean, Ilia Topuria might be, is, uh, he is not just one of the best right now, he might be one of the best that ever did it. It's very possible that he goes down in history as the all-timer. I mean-

    18. SPSpeaker58:28

        He is

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:28

        ... he's, he's so good. And for him to have to defend his title, the world title, outside with bugs and humidity and heat.

    20. SPSpeaker58:35

        Yeah, you gotta take into-

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:36

        You know?

    22. SPSpeaker58:37

        ... account the weather.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:39

        Oh, yeah.

    24. SPSpeaker58:39

        You know, it's a whole different environment.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:40

        It could rain. It could thunderstorm. Who fucking knows? It's DC, it's the East Coast in the middle of the summer. I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy to have a fight outside in June-

    26. SPSpeaker58:51

        Yeah

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:51

        ... in DC.

    28. SPSpeaker58:52

        Yeah, I've, I've fought outside before. It's, it's definitely a different, different vibe, different energy, different feel.

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:57

        Where'd you fight outside?

    30. SPSpeaker58:59

        Um, I fought outside for Combate Americas. Uh, it was, uh, somewhere near Arizona, and it was a nighttime fight.
15. 1:06:13 – 1:26:40

    Surveillance, drones, and algorithm anxiety: Palantir rumors and phones ‘listening’

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:13

       Yeah, it's spooky. You ever seen some of that footage from Ukraine?

    2. SPSpeaker1:06:17

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:19

       Phew.

    4. SPSpeaker1:06:19

       Drones just flying around, bombing dudes.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

       Yeah, just bombing dudes. Just dropping down on guys and exploding. And there's fucking hundreds of those videos now. You get in a, one of those, um, Instagram algorithms, where you watch a couple of 'em, and then next thing you know, they're getting recommended to you over and over and over again.

    6. SPSpeaker1:06:38

       Yeah, dude, that's crazy. Um-

    7. SPSpeaker1:06:40

       It was two weeks ago, the bomber missiles

    8. SPSpeaker1:06:42

       ... you know, one day I'm talking, talking about something with my buddy. Next thing you know, it's all over my phone, my feed.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:47

       I know.

    10. SPSpeaker1:06:47

        Yeah, it's crazy.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:48

        It's weird.

    12. SPSpeaker1:06:49

        It is [laughs] .

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:50

        We're just accepting the fact that our phone's listening to us all the time.

    14. SPSpeaker1:06:54

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:54

        You know what I got trapped in recently? A algorithm of schizophrenic people.Oh.

    16. SPSpeaker1:07:01

        What does, what does that mean?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:07:02

        Dude, it's all crazy people that like one guy's like, "Hi, I'm Joseph Wilson. I am the legitimate president of the United States b- due to constitutional rec-" You know, like crazy stuff.

    18. SPSpeaker1:07:13

        [laughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:14

        Like crazy people. This one lady, this one lady is crazy. She's like, uh, I forget what famous actor. She was saying, "They're trying to kidnap me and put shit in my vagina," and like [laughs]

    20. SPSpeaker1:07:24

        [laughs]

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:25

        She's just completely insane, and every day it's like some new accusation. Someone's after her, someone's tapping their phone, someone's communicating with her through her ceiling fan. Like-

    22. SPSpeaker1:07:35

        Yeah

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:35

        ... just, but I don't know how Instagram knows that these people are schizophrenic and keeps sending me schizophrenic people over and over and over again. 'Cause I know, right?

    24. SPSpeaker1:07:45

        Well, your algor- if you're watching them, your alg- it thinks you wanna keep watching them.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:48

        I underst- I understand, but how does it know who's schizophrenic?

    26. SPSpeaker1:07:51

        It must... There's gotta be... There's... And there's internal tags on every post.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:55

        Right, but isn't that nuts?

    28. SPSpeaker1:07:56

        I don't know how it's-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:57

        But it-

    30. SPSpeaker1:07:57

        What, yeah, how schizo got in there.
16. 1:26:40 – 1:32:58

    China’s reach and the ‘Bodies’ exhibit rabbit hole: unclaimed corpses and grim incentives

    1. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:26:40

       No.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:26:40

       See, go over to the beginning, see what it says

    3. SPSpeaker1:26:43

       ... inside I get a moonroof, pillows in my headrest-

    4. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:26:44

       It just starts off like-

    5. SPSpeaker1:26:45

       ... these heated, ventilated, and massaging seats.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:26:46

       Oh, okay.

    7. SPSpeaker1:26:46

       I get a passenger screen, a ma-

    8. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:26:48

       See if it's at the end.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:26:50

       Yeah, so they're doing-

    10. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:26:50

        Yeah

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:26:51

        ... wild shit-

    12. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:26:52

        That's amazing

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:26:52

        ... over in China with technology, and they have full surveillance on their population. You can't say shit over there.

    14. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:26:59

        Yeah, they have, like, facial recognition-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:27:00

        Oh, yeah

    16. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:01

        ... and everything. That's crazy.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:27:01

        Yeah, you, you can't step out of line at all. They'll, they'll make you, uh, turn you into a handbag. [laughs]

    18. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:07

        [laughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:27:07

        They don't fuck around over there.

    20. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:09

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:27:09

        You know, they have, um... Do you know that bodies, uh, exhibit? Do you know what that is?

    22. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:13

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:27:13

        Like the dead bodies exhibit?

    24. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:15

        Uh, I think there's one in Vegas.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:27:17

        Exactly.

    26. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:18

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:27:18

        They get their bodies, most of them, from China, and they're-

    28. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:22

        Okay.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:27:22

        Yeah. They're, they're called, like, Chinese, uh, I think it's undeclared bodies. So, like, if you die, within a certain amount of time, if someone doesn't claim your body, unclaimed bodies, if someone doesn't claim your body within, like, 30 days, they just can turn you into a statue.

    30. DRDaniel Rodriguez1:27:43

        Wow.
17. 1:32:58 – 1:48:00

    ‘Dead-ass’ cosmetic procedures and Ozempic: shortcuts vs. discipline

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:32:58

       Oh, that's another thing one of these schizophrenic ladies was telling me, and that is true, that, uh, a lot of these women are getting fat that's taken from cadavers. So they take fat from cadavers, and then they inject that fat in their ass-

    2. SPSpeaker1:33:13

       [laughs]

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:33:13

       ... to give them a BBL. Like, no bullshit. And Whitney Cummings, I told, I sent it to Whitney. She's like, "Oh my God, it's literal dead ass." [laughs]

    4. SPSpeaker1:33:21

       [laughs]

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:33:24

       That's such a funny line because that's what it is. I mean, it's dead tissue. You're taking a dead person's fat, and they're stuffing it in their ass. "Cadaver fat transfer, utilizing processed human donor fat-

    6. SPSpeaker1:33:38

       How, how can that-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:33:39

       ... has become a major emerging alternative to traditional autologous fat transfers, like traditional Brazilian butt lifts, or BBLs, and synthetic implants. How does it work? Instead of harvesting fat from your own body via liposuction, surgeons use donated human fat harvested via authorized tissue banks," allegedly. "The fat is rigorously screened, sterilized, and processed to remove all the donor's DNA, cells, and genetic material. What remains is a structural, clumpy butter." [laughs]

    8. SPSpeaker1:34:13

       That's disgusting.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:34:14

       So hot.

    10. SPSpeaker1:34:15

        Oh, man.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:34:15

        Clumpy butter ass is so hot. [laughs]

    12. SPSpeaker1:34:19

        [laughs]

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:34:19

        "Matrix of collagen, proteins, and growth factors. When injected into the body, this matrix provides immediate volume and also acts as a biological scaffold that encourages your own natural tissue to integrate and grow into it." [gags]

    14. SPSpeaker1:34:36

        Yeah, that's gross, bro.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:34:38

        Dead ass.

    16. SPSpeaker1:34:39

        [laughs]

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:34:40

        Actual dead ass, and women are doing this. How-

    18. SPSpeaker1:34:43

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:34:43

        See if you can find a video of them doing it.

    20. SPSpeaker1:34:44

        That's crazy. I was, I was thinking, like, man, how do-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:34:46

        You don't want to? [laughs]

    22. SPSpeaker1:34:47

        [laughs] They call it clumpy filler.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:34:51

        Oh, that's so nasty.

    24. SPSpeaker1:34:53

        Another video.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:34:53

        That's so nasty.

    26. SPSpeaker1:34:54

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:34:54

        How about you just do some squats, you lazy bitch.

    28. SPSpeaker1:34:58

        [laughs] Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:34:58

        But that's... P- people like a real ass anyway. The ass-

    30. SPSpeaker1:35:01

        Yeah, dude
18. 1:48:00 – 2:16:05

    Back to fight shape: post-release photos, overdoses inside, and the final push to Serbia

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:48:00

       What'd you look like right when you got out?

    2. SPSpeaker1:48:02

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:48:03

       Yeah.

    4. SPSpeaker1:48:05

       Yeah, it was crazy, dude. I can't find it right now. I'm gonna have someone send it to me though.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:48:10

       Okay. No worries.

    6. SPSpeaker1:48:12

       I'm kinda embarrassed to show you, but I gotta, I gotta-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:48:14

       No, no, no

    8. SPSpeaker1:48:14

       ... you gotta see this because if you see me now, you'll be like, "Holy hell, bro."

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:48:18

       Yeah.

    10. SPSpeaker1:48:18

        Crazy.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:48:19

        A g- a good before and after is great.

    12. SPSpeaker1:48:21

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:48:21

        The, the people that are really brave are the ones that say, "Hey, I'm gonna get in shape, so here's what I look like right now," and they post that on the internet. Like, whoa. That's, that's crazy.

    14. SPSpeaker1:48:31

        Yeah. Yeah. So-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:48:31

        But that's also... It's a good way to hold yourself accountable, you know?

    16. SPSpeaker1:48:36

        Yeah. Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:48:36

        When a bunch of people shit on you. Fat sha- Like fat shaming works. I know it's not nice. People don't like it, but when someone calls you a fat fuck and you're like, "Oh man, I kinda am a fat fuck."

    18. SPSpeaker1:48:45

        [laughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:48:46

        Like you start thinking and you go to work.

    20. SPSpeaker1:48:49

        Yeah. Yeah, man.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:48:50

        You know?

    22. SPSpeaker1:48:50

        Yeah. A little bit of hard work, you know? A little bit of hard work to get it, you know?

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:48:55

        Well, listen, if there's a way where massively obese people that are dying can get healthy, and if it's, it's a GLP-1, I'm all for it, but for everybody else, just get to work. G- and you'll, you'll, you'll respect yourself so much better. Like right now, like you, you can look in the mirror and go, "Damn, I look so much better than I did when I got out of jail."

    24. SPSpeaker1:49:14

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:49:14

        'Cause you could have stayed looking exactly that same way, right? If you got discouraged when you were saying like, "I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do this. I have no endurance. I don't know if it's ever gonna come back," a lot of people would have just quit right there.

    26. SPSpeaker1:49:27

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:49:27

        And if you quit right there, you wouldn't be able to appreciate the results when you kept going, and that's the, that's the case with everybody that's at a bad place right now. Just go to work. Go to work. Write it down. Go to work.Put it together.

    28. SPSpeaker1:49:42

        Yeah. And yeah, man, I th- I think it just makes you that much, like, uh, stronger and, and, and, like, aside from the, the work, but, like, in- internally-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:49:52

        100%

    30. SPSpeaker1:49:53

        ... you know?

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