JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck

1. 0:00 – 0:02

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:02 – 6:25

   Tommy Lee stories: bonsai obsession, cars, and rockstar chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night. All day. [upbeat music] Hey.

   2. JRJohn Rallo0:13

      Oh.

   3. MSMatt Serra0:13

      Nice.

   4. JRJohn Rallo0:14

      Hey.

   5. MSMatt Serra0:15

      Hey.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      We're back.

   7. JRJohn Rallo0:16

      What's up, bros?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      So your boy Tommy was awesome.

   9. MSMatt Serra0:18

      [laughs]

   10. JRJohn Rallo0:18

       Yeah, good.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       He was really cool.

   12. JRJohn Rallo0:19

       Yeah, I actually listened on the way out to that one.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       He's really fun. Tommy Lee's fun.

   14. JRJohn Rallo0:23

       He's like a big kid, man.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       He is.

   16. JRJohn Rallo0:25

       A big kid.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah, like a 15-year-old-

   18. JRJohn Rallo0:27

       1,000%

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... that just never, you know, had to grow up

   20. JRJohn Rallo0:29

       Yeah, never went all the way up.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       There's no-

   22. JRJohn Rallo0:30

       'Cause he, 'cause he didn't have to

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       ... well, he got famous when he was 18.

   24. JRJohn Rallo0:32

       Exactly.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       So he really never had to grow up.

   26. JRJohn Rallo0:34

       Exactly.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       He just stayed Tommy Lee. [laughs]

   28. JRJohn Rallo0:35

       Yeah, I'm glad you finally got to, uh, have him on.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       It was very cool.

   30. JRJohn Rallo0:39

       So it was good.
3. 6:25 – 12:58

   Aging, training smarter, and why recovery becomes the real enemy

   1. MSMatt Serra6:25

      Oh yeah, by the way, Longo, you got him upset Because he's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      Uh-oh

   3. MSMatt Serra6:28

      ... he's like, "Man, I've been feeling good." He's like, "I'm, you know, I'm at the gym every day. And then I go fucking, I, I turn on Rogan and he's, he's bitching about being 58." I'm like, "What the fuck?" [laughs]

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      He's 68.

   5. MSMatt Serra6:41

      Oh.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:42

      So basically, like-

   7. MSMatt Serra6:43

      Wait a-

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      He's like, "Ay, what the fuck?"

   9. MSMatt Serra6:43

      Yo, yo, yo

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       ... he's complaining about being 58.

   11. MSMatt Serra6:46

       Ray's, Ray's really 68?

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       Ray's 68. He looks great.

   13. MSMatt Serra6:48

       He looks great.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       He fucking looks real good.

   15. MSMatt Serra6:49

       He looks great.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Oh, oh-

   17. MSMatt Serra6:50

       He's got dark-ass hair, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       I know, right? What the fuck?

   19. MSMatt Serra6:52

       And he don't have R-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       Check that out

   21. MSMatt Serra6:53

       ... he don't have Ronald Reagan-

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       That can't be all his hair

   23. MSMatt Serra6:54

       ... Ronald Reagan hair.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       [laughs]

   25. MSMatt Serra6:55

       Right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       He's looking, he's looking, he's looking good.

   27. MSMatt Serra6:58

       That's great.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       And then he asked me about, what the fuck did he ask me about?

   29. MSMatt Serra7:00

       I love Rogan.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       About a pep talk.
4. 12:58 – 15:02

   Belal vs. Askren? Medical reality after lung transplant + risks of immunosuppression

   1. MSMatt Serra12:58

      Yeah. [laughs]

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:58

      Oh, God. And some of the craziest knockouts we've ever seen come from that

   3. JRJohn Rallo13:00

      Big time

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:01

      Like, w- we were just talking about Masvidal versus Askren the other night

   5. MSMatt Serra13:03

      Oh, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      Oh.

   7. MSMatt Serra13:06

      Hey.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:06

      He's supposed to be wrestling again.

   9. MSMatt Serra13:08

      Oh, against Belal.

   10. JRJohn Rallo13:09

       Yeah. Is that real?

   11. MSMatt Serra13:10

       I don't think that's a... Is that a good idea?

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       No.

   13. JRJohn Rallo13:13

       It c- I would not-

   14. MSMatt Serra13:13

       I saw him talking the other day

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       Yeah, that freaked me out when I heard that, like

   16. MSMatt Serra13:16

       When he was talking, he was coughing a lot, and it's, I'm like, "You, listen, when you're... People who are athletes, they're afraid of wrestling, because it's exhausting. They don't wanna feel that, that burn in their lungs. You really wanna push yourself like that?"

   17. JRJohn Rallo13:29

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       Yeah.

   19. MSMatt Serra13:30

       I worry about him

   20. JRJohn Rallo13:30

       I'm, uh

   21. MSMatt Serra13:30

       I just don't want him to get fucked up

   22. JRJohn Rallo13:31

       ... totally with you

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       I mean, he had double lung transplant surgery, like, how long ago?

   24. MSMatt Serra13:37

       That was like a year ago. [laughs]

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       It's like a fucking year ago.

   26. MSMatt Serra13:39

       A year ago?

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Maybe two years ago

   28. MSMatt Serra13:40

       Maybe two years ago

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:40

       Yeah, maybe two years ago

   30. JRJohn Rallo13:41

       I'd be worried even just about infection
5. 15:02 – 18:00

   Extreme medicine tangent: pig heart transplants and transplant survival stats

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Dude, we were just reading about this last night. Two people have had pig hearts transplanted in their bodies

   2. MSMatt Serra15:08

      No way

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Yeah, one guy stayed alive, I think, for 60 days, and one guy stayed alive for 40 days

   4. MSMatt Serra15:14

      Did they gain a lot of weight?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      [laughs]

   6. JRJohn Rallo15:19

      [laughs]

   7. MSMatt Serra15:21

      [laughs]

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      [laughs]

   9. JRJohn Rallo15:21

      [laughs]

   10. MSMatt Serra15:21

       Did they, did they, did they become fatties?

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       They start f-

   12. MSMatt Serra15:23

       [laughs]

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       ... like, shoveling their face in the trash. [laughs]

   14. MSMatt Serra15:26

       Oh, wow. So wait, they have, you're telling me they have pig hearts?

   15. JRJohn Rallo15:29

       Hold on

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Yeah, yeah

   17. MSMatt Serra15:29

       Whose i- hold on. Whose idea was it to put a pig heart in another human being?

   18. JRJohn Rallo15:33

       That's fuck-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Uh, there's a, a, a bunch of doctors, 'cause apparently pigs' hearts for some reason, uh, are similar in function to a human heart

   20. MSMatt Serra15:42

       Say that about a sheep's vagina.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       [laughs]

   22. JRJohn Rallo15:44

       [laughs]

   23. MSMatt Serra15:44

       Don't they? Don't they?

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       They do. They do

   25. MSMatt Serra15:47

       I don't, I'm, I'm no farmer-

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       They do

   27. MSMatt Serra15:49

       ... but that's what I heard.

   28. JRJohn Rallo15:50

       [laughs]

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       That's what I heard, too

   30. MSMatt Serra15:51

       So a pig's heart
6. 18:00 – 20:55

   Askren’s prime vs UFC run: ragdoll wrestling, Maia matchup, and ‘boring’ stigma

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:00

      And this is no disrespect to Askren. It's like, I think that guy's an animal. Like, I was one of the biggest promoters of trying to get Askren into the UFC when he was the champion of Bellator. And the ar- and then when he went over to One. And the argument was, like, he was boring. And I was like, "No, he's not boring. It's crazy that he could do this to these guys."

   2. MSMatt Serra18:17

      Yeah

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:17

      He could take guys like Douglas Lima and just ragdoll them to the ground, and they can't do shit to him.

   4. MSMatt Serra18:23

      Right

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:23

      Koreshkov, remember he did it to him?

   6. MSMatt Serra18:24

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wasn't, he wasn't boring at all.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:26

      Bro.

   8. MSMatt Serra18:26

      He was destroying guys, yeah

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:27

      Ragdolling these guys

   10. MSMatt Serra18:28

       Yeah

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       They had zero chance in him not taking them down. It was zero chance.

   12. MSMatt Serra18:33

       Mm-hmm

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:33

       And it was beautiful

   14. MSMatt Serra18:34

       Right

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying kneeing somebody in the face, but it's un- still another way to win

   16. MSMatt Serra18:40

       But it was like a man and a child

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:42

       Yes

   18. MSMatt Serra18:42

       Yeah

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:43

       It was crazy good. He was crazy good. And then we got him, like, a little late, right? We got him when he already had hip problems, and he eventually had to get a hip replacement after he got out of the UFC. You know, he had already been 15 years in combat sports, and then all the years of wrestling, and like... But those days when he was running shit at Bellator, he was a motherfucker, dude.

   20. MSMatt Serra19:04

       He's, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:04

       He was a motherfucker

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:06

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   24. MSMatt Serra20:20

       His fight with Demian Maia was fucking awesome.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       Amazing fight.

   26. MSMatt Serra20:23

       That's a great... No, what's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       Amazing fight

   28. MSMatt Serra20:24

       ... the beautiful thing about that fight is they're both... It's almost, like, the closest thing to style versus style that we could have nowadays.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       Yeah.

   30. MSMatt Serra20:32

       Where, you know, they're both so, um, brilliant at the way they use their art, with him with his wrestling and him with his jujitsu. And in that fight, you got, you got to see some of that. With, with Ben, you got to see the takedowns, you got to see an omoplata reversal, uh, an, uh, leg lock ashi reversal. I mean, beautiful jujitsu.
7. 20:55 – 26:22

   The Demian Maia stand-up controversy: refs, crowd pressure, and grappling integrity

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:55

      Dude, Demian Maia got fucked harder than anybody ever got fucked by a referee's decision.

   2. MSMatt Serra20:59

      Kamaru Usman.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:00

      Yep. Ever.

   4. MSMatt Serra21:01

      Right, right, right, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:01

      Nobody got fucked harder than Demian Maia got fucked.

   6. MSMatt Serra21:04

      That wasn't her, was it? Was it her? Who was it?

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:05

      I don't know, and maybe we shouldn't even-

   8. MSMatt Serra21:06

      Poor Herb DeBlogan

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:07

      ... pull her name up.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       [laughs]

   11. MSMatt Serra21:08

       [laughs]

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       Don't pull it up.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Yeah, that would be... I don't want, I can't do my boys like that, man. I gotta see them in a week.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       I wanna think... I don't remember the, I don't remember who it was, but who I think is a guy who doesn't do it in the UFC anymore. But he had him on his back, one hook in, over-under. He had gotten to a position where, like, you are fucked. You're dry, and you got the best back specialist in the UFC.

   15. MSMatt Serra21:30

       Yeah, for real.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:31

       Demian Maia was a... The way he ran through Neil Magny, like-

   17. MSMatt Serra21:34

       Oh, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:35

       ... holy shit, man.

   19. MSMatt Serra21:36

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       His jujitsu is so high level, and for you to get off, get him off, and Kamaru's one loss-

   21. MSMatt Serra21:44

       Right, was to-

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       Make a choke

   23. MSMatt Serra21:45

       ... yeah. Why not, fuck, yeah

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:46

       ... Alex, Alex Correia's brother. So it's like, how many years ago was that? Like, and now you're fighting Demian Maia, and he's got your back. You're in danger.

   25. MSMatt Serra21:53

       Yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:53

       Like, you're in danger. And the referee separated them. And-

   27. MSMatt Serra21:55

       So crazy

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       ... never got to that spot again. Kamaru played it nice. He fought a great fight, won the fight. And you're like, damn, Demian had him.

   29. MSMatt Serra22:02

       I know.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:02

       He had him in a, like, not 9 out of 10, but he had him in, like, a 6 out of 10 spot.
8. 26:22 – 29:13

   BJJ’s global explosion: early Carlson/Henzo rooms and how UFC changed everything

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:22

      I saw him when I first started jujitsu at Carlson Gracie's place.

   2. MSMatt Serra26:25

      Did you?

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:25

      Yeah, the very first year that I started jujitsu, it was, like, him, Vitor was there, Sergio Cohen, um, uh, Mario Sperry.

   4. MSMatt Serra26:36

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:36

      It was crazy.

   6. JRJohn Rallo26:37

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:37

      Like, I just stumbled-

   8. JRJohn Rallo26:38

      They had, they had a ridiculous room back then

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:40

      ... I just g- lucked, lucked out and wound up watching these guys train when, like, Vitor was about to make his UFC debut. I was just starting out. I was like, "This is amazing."

   10. MSMatt Serra26:48

       Seeing all them guys in there?

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       Dude-

   12. JRJohn Rallo26:49

       Jesus, yeah

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       ... they were all in there, man. You could just come in off the street and see the best jujitsu guys in the world training.

   14. JRJohn Rallo26:54

       Right.

   15. MSMatt Serra26:54

       That's crazy.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:55

       It was crazy.

   17. MSMatt Serra26:56

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:56

       And it was all, they were all, they were all fighting in, um, there was the, the other guy, what's his name? Carlos, fuck.

   19. JRJohn Rallo27:03

       Barreto?

   20. MSMatt Serra27:03

       Bareto.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:04

       Bareto, that's right. Carlos Bareto. He was there, too.

   22. MSMatt Serra27:06

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:06

       There was a bunch of those Carlson Gracie team guys there. We just got lucky that this was the place to be.

   24. MSMatt Serra27:12

       Triangel Randleman.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       Yeah, man.

   26. MSMatt Serra27:13

       Triangel Randleman's-

   27. JRJohn Rallo27:13

       Yeah

   28. MSMatt Serra27:14

       ... built like a He-Man figure.

   29. JRJohn Rallo27:16

       Carlson had some savages, man. He really had a, a great team.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:19

       Yeah. Yeah, it was, uh, pretty-
9. 29:13 – 38:30

   What actually ‘works’ in fighting: Wing Chun value, point-karate movement, and striking evolution

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:13

      Yeah. I first started taking karate, and I thought karate was good until I stumbled into this really good taekwondo school, and I was like, "Oh, taekwondo's the shit." And then I started boxing, I'm like, "Oh my God, I can't box."

   2. MSMatt Serra29:22

      [laughs]

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:22

      And then I started kickboxing. I'm like, "Oh my God, you can kick my legs? I didn't know you can kick my legs. Like, this is terrible."

   4. MSMatt Serra29:27

      [laughs]

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:27

      And then I started doing jujitsu. I'm like, "Oh my God, I'm helpless."

   6. MSMatt Serra29:29

      [laughs]

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:29

      So it's like all these steps along the way. I was like, "It would've been nice if we knew what style was real."

   8. MSMatt Serra29:36

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:36

      And this is what Bruce Lee tried and-

   10. MSMatt Serra29:37

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:37

       Bro, when I was starting out in, like, '88 doing taekwondo, nobody knew nothing.

   12. MSMatt Serra29:42

       Nothing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:42

       Nobody knew what worked.

   14. MSMatt Serra29:43

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:43

       Everybody just, like, saw, "That guy b- beats people in that thing, and that guy beat... I wonder what would happen if they fought." No one knew.

   16. JRJohn Rallo29:48

       Right.

   17. MSMatt Serra29:49

       Yeah, they thought w-

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:49

       When I saw UFC 2-

   19. JRJohn Rallo29:50

       They thought wrestling was worthless. Grappling arts were worthless.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:53

       Yeah, yeah. But luckily I kn- I learned it was not worthless-

   21. JRJohn Rallo29:55

       Right

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:56

       ... in high school when I got my ass kicked. [laughs]

   23. MSMatt Serra29:58

       [laughs]

   24. JRJohn Rallo29:59

       [laughs]

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:59

       So I was like-

   26. MSMatt Serra29:59

       Me too, man. I practiced it on the fucking wooden dummy to cha- the, nobody's punched my ass.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:05

       Yes. [laughs]

   28. MSMatt Serra30:05

       Fuck, that's all I know. And, uh, every time I get into a real scrap-

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:08

       But he was-

   30. MSMatt Serra30:08

       ... I'd go back to my season of eighth grade wrestling.
10. 38:30 – 43:21

    Kickboxing and ONE FC: why elite striking deserves a bigger platform

    1. JRJoe Rogan38:30

       Do, do, do you guys watch ONE? You watch, uh, kickboxing in ONE? Some. Did you see, uh, Jonathan Haggerty and Yuki Yoza? Uh, th- uh, it wasn't good for Haggerty, was it? No, he won. He figured him out. Haggerty was- Oh ... he's- He's the guy that beat that dude that was wrecking everybody with-

    2. MSMatt Serra38:47

       He's the, now he's the elbow guy

    3. JRJoe Rogan38:48

       ... yeah, he's a beast That's right He's a, well, he's just a full on Muay Thai guy. But- Yeah ... he beat him by continuous movement and switching stances. Oh, right. Yeah. Shit, I think I sent the video in our group.

    4. MSMatt Serra38:57

       Oh, I did s- I did see that

    5. JRJoe Rogan38:58

       It's a really, really-

    6. MSMatt Serra39:00

       For sure, for sure

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:00

       ... technical fight

    8. MSMatt Serra39:01

       For sure

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:01

       Like, if you really like striking-

    10. MSMatt Serra39:03

        Yeah

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:03

        ... it's a really technical fight. He did an amazing job of just constantly giving him different looks, and switching stances, and moving, and then catching him in exchanges. And, dude, it was fucking beautiful. Yeah, it was Because Yoza crushes everybody's legs. It was really sweet. Yeah, he just kept switching stances on him, too Just kept switching stances, and he did a lot of great boxing from the outside, too. Yeah, I did see this. It was just... But he never gave him the same look o- See that?

    12. MSMatt Serra39:27

        Look at that. That was a good switch

    13. JRJoe Rogan39:28

        Like, he was switching- Look at that And then knees to the body, a lot of knees to the body. It was beautiful. Brilliant fight. I was just, uh, chatting with him on Instagram. I'm gonna try to get him on.

    14. MSMatt Serra39:38

        Nice.

    15. JRJoe Rogan39:38

        Bring him to America. Like, it's, this is what Zuffa should be promoting. You know, I mean, I know they love boxing. That's awesome. I'm glad they're doing that. But, you know, this is it.

    16. MSMatt Serra39:48

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan39:48

        If you want another thing that's really exciting, it's striking. Just have only Muay Thai. Just have-

    18. MSMatt Serra39:53

        I'm, I'm just surprised they haven't done that yet

    19. JRJoe Rogan39:55

        It doesn't make any sense.

    20. MSMatt Serra39:56

        It really doesn't.

    21. JRJoe Rogan39:56

        'Cause that's what everybody likes to watch

    22. MSMatt Serra39:58

        Yeah, that's what everybody likes to do

    23. JRJoe Rogan39:59

        Anyway, really Dana said to me, I don't know if he changed his opinion, but he said to me that people don't like kickboxing 'cause they think of, like, PKA karate from ESPN from, like, the 1980s. I'm like, "That's old people." [laughs]

    24. MSMatt Serra40:12

        It is. Hey.

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        Yeah, it is. Yeah.

    26. MSMatt Serra40:13

        And this is a different time

    27. JRJoe Rogan40:13

        Old people don't even know what that is

    28. MSMatt Serra40:14

        It is a different time

    29. JRJoe Rogan40:15

        That's old people.

    30. MSMatt Serra40:15

        Right, yeah
11. 43:21 – 1:14:08

    Pop culture intermission: reboots, TV overload, and ‘bad-but-good’ movies

    1. MSMatt Serra43:21

       I saw the new He-Man movie, by the way.

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:23

       How was it?

    3. MSMatt Serra43:23

       It was fucking good.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:25

       Really?

    5. MSMatt Serra43:25

       The Masters of the Universe was good. I was worried, 'cause I'm thinking all the new reboots, and this and that, I go, "Is it gonna be too woke? Is it gonna be this?" It, it was fucking fun. It had a, uh, Thor: Ragnarok type feel, where it's just kind of fun and a little goofy, but not To the point where it's just takes you out of it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:46

       I heard-

    7. MSMatt Serra43:47

       You know what it is? I grew up with that He-Man.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:48

       Yeah. I, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    9. MSMatt Serra43:49

       That was my, that was my, when I was a kid.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:51

        Yeah, I remember.

    11. MSMatt Serra43:51

        Around our age, right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:52

        Yeah, right.

    13. MSMatt Serra43:53

        So it did justice to that. Like, you know, it ma- it made it fun. It was a f- it was a fun-

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:58

        I heard Skeletor was awesome.

    15. MSMatt Serra44:00

        Yeah. Jared Leto.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:00

        Wasn't that ... Yeah, Jared Leto played that. Yeah.

    17. MSMatt Serra44:02

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:02

        I, I heard there was, like, some sort of crazy, like, he was wasn't allowed to do interviews-

    19. MSMatt Serra44:06

        [laughs]

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:06

        ... wasn't allowed to talk to the rest of the cast.

    21. MSMatt Serra44:08

        I heard that, too.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:08

        Why? Because they were worried he's gonna do nutty shit. Like, he, when the, in the Joker, he was, like, sending people dead rats in the mail and stuff.

    23. MSMatt Serra44:14

        Oh, really?

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:15

        [laughs] Yeah, doing, like, 'cause he was, he was in character.

    25. MSMatt Serra44:18

        Yeah, yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:18

        You know? Fucking.

    27. MSMatt Serra44:19

        That's wild.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:19

        That's weird. So they're like, "Yeah, you're gonna be an evil fucking Skeletor guy? No."

    29. MSMatt Serra44:23

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:23

        "No, we can't let you be in character."
12. 1:14:08 – 1:26:37

    Fight forecasting: Conor vs Max, weight-cut debate, and ‘enhanced’ fantasy MMA

    1. MSMatt Serra1:14:08

       Speaking of Conor, how well does he do next week?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:14:11

       Boy.

    3. MSMatt Serra1:14:12

       Oh.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:14:12

       We're gonna find out. Um, we're really gonna find out what's going on if it gets into the second and third rounds. That's when we're really gonna find out.

    5. MSMatt Serra1:14:19

       Well, yeah.

    6. JRJohn Rallo1:14:20

       Well, we'll, we'll know-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:14:20

       We'll know immediately

    8. JRJohn Rallo1:14:21

       ... at that point

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:14:22

       ... but, I mean, whether or not he can really fight for five rounds, like, against a guy with-

    10. MSMatt Serra1:14:27

        I don't know if he can, man

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:14:28

        ... with a great gas tank.

    12. MSMatt Serra1:14:29

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:14:29

        Max has-

    14. JRJohn Rallo1:14:30

        After, after five years of tearing your body up.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:14:33

        Yeah, it's... I... You don't know, right? 'Cause it's all in a vacuum. Like, there's some training footage of him beating guys up that you've seen, but who knows what he actually has been doing. We know he's been partying, but has he also been, like, really training? 'Cause if he's been really training, and he shocks everybody 'cause he's still got his skills.

    16. MSMatt Serra1:14:51

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:14:52

        I mean, my God, if he, if he somehow or another sparks out Max in, like, the first round.

    18. MSMatt Serra1:14:57

        [laughs]

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:14:58

        Do, do you know how big he comes?

    20. MSMatt Serra1:14:59

        That's... Oh, he's back.

    21. JRJohn Rallo1:15:01

        He's great.

    22. MSMatt Serra1:15:01

        Right back.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:15:01

        Oh, right back.

    24. MSMatt Serra1:15:02

        I mean, he's-

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

        Like, right back.

    26. MSMatt Serra1:15:03

        Yeah

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

        Him and Justin Gaethje, the biggest fight in the history of the known universe.

    28. JRJohn Rallo1:15:06

        That would be sick.

    29. MSMatt Serra1:15:07

        That would be sick.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

        Yeah. They go for the BMF title at 170.
13. 1:26:37 – 2:00:09

    New threats and matchups: Prates, Ian Garry, Islam at 170, and “don’t pull the brisket yet”

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:26:37

       Everywhere. The dude I got my eyes on the most is Carlos Prates.

    2. MSMatt Serra1:26:40

       Yeah, Prates.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:26:41

       I got my eyes on him the most.

    4. MSMatt Serra1:26:42

       He's so accurate, man.

    5. JRJohn Rallo1:26:43

       Dude, that was-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:26:44

       He's ... That Jack Della Maddalena KO was crazy.

    7. MSMatt Serra1:26:47

       I know.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:26:47

       Jack, Jack is so fucking good, and he's so t- he's so tough. And to watch Carlos just tee off on him like that.

    9. JRJohn Rallo1:26:54

       Yeah, he really did.

    10. MSMatt Serra1:26:54

        Pick him apart.

    11. JRJohn Rallo1:26:55

        Looked like target practice for him.

    12. MSMatt Serra1:26:57

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:26:57

        Bro.

    14. JRJohn Rallo1:26:57

        Against such a high level guy.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:26:58

        He was having fun

    16. MSMatt Serra1:27:00

        I know, that's the, ain't that the worst part?

    17. JRJohn Rallo1:27:01

        Dude, Morales, Morales is a savage too, still

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:27:04

        I know, but that fight, but, but save that fight. Morales versus Protez, save that fight.

    19. MSMatt Serra1:27:10

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:27:10

        Wait till it's ready. Not yet.

    21. MSMatt Serra1:27:11

        Yeah. [laughs]

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:27:12

        It's like, don't pull the brisket out of the smoker just yet. Like, wait.

    23. JRJohn Rallo1:27:15

        And I was, I was telling Matt, I saw some grappling, uh, like footage of Morales, and I mean, he looked pretty fucking good.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:27:20

        Well, he has a wrestling background, and if there's a way he's gonna get, uh, Protez, it's gonna probably be a combination of those things. 'Cause Protez just wants to stand.

    25. JRJohn Rallo1:27:29

        Yeah, of course.

    26. MSMatt Serra1:27:30

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:27:30

        And he's, he's built like a vi-

    28. MSMatt Serra1:27:33

        [laughs]

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:27:33

        Like, if you had to engineer-

    30. MSMatt Serra1:27:35

        [laughs]
14. 2:00:09 – 2:03:14

    Dirty tactics, fouls, and officiating: Big John’s jokes, eye pokes, and point deductions

    1. MSMatt Serra2:00:09

       Yeah. You know, I like Big John. You know one thing I don't like that he does?

    2. JRJoe Rogan2:00:15

       What?

    3. MSMatt Serra2:00:16

       Uh, it always irks me.

    4. JRJoe Rogan2:00:17

       What?

    5. MSMatt Serra2:00:17

       Big, Big John McCarthy. I like, he, when they won the title, he was my guy, but, uh, I hate this. Man, as you fucking savages know, when you're in there, you're in a certain mindset, right? You got a guy looking to do bodily harm to you. You're looking to fucking take him out any way possible. If there's a foul or something, now you're in this mindset. So now you got this big fucking guy, "Hey, uh, what do you see? You see ugly?"

Episode duration: 2:39:03