JRE MMA Show #21 with Brendan Schaub

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (sniffs) Four, three, two,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      (sniffs) Four, three, two, one. And we're live! This is a bummer of a fight week, but also an awesome fight week.

   2. BSBrendan Schaub0:12

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Like, I'm very excited. Did you see the- the latest Countdown? What is it, uh, All Access? What do they call it? No.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub0:17

      Embedded?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Embedded, yeah. I'm always trying to come up with the name of those things.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub0:21

      There's always some- they're all the same, but-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Yeah.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub0:22

      ... All Access, Embedded, 24/7.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Embedded is very good. I should- I should remember the name. It's very good.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub0:28

       They're all, yeah, they're all good.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       And this- this new one is really good 'cause it's got Max Holloway running on a treadmill two treadmills over from Nurmagomedov, who's also running on a treadmill. And they're fucking very cool to each other.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub0:39

       They're cool.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       It's very interesting.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub0:40

       Khabib thanked him for taking the fight-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub0:42

       ... which he should-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub0:43

       ... which he should. Thanks for taking the fight. And then, they have the same, uh, weight coach.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   20. BSBrendan Schaub0:47

       Like cutting, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       That's crazy. Lockhart, right?

   22. BSBrendan Schaub0:49

       It- it's, yeah, it's Lockhart.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah, it's Lockhart.

   24. BSBrendan Schaub0:51

       Yeah, that's right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Lockhart is go- did- is Lockhart working with Nurmagomedov as well?

   26. BSBrendan Schaub0:54

       Yes, both of them.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       So, Lockhart was g- like, Lockhart is legit. Like, he goes over calculations of like, how much you weigh, how much water you're gonna take, and he's weighing things out. It took him an hour and a half to do the calculations.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub1:07

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       It wasn't like, "Hey, we're gonna wing this." It's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're gonna do this weight cut correctly," and he's got it down to the day. You know, like, it's six days to lose, I think he was 171.

   30. BSBrendan Schaub1:20

       Is that- is that- is that- I was wondering what did- what did he start at? Is it 171?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   And you haven't seen…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      eight, Ortega's hitting it at a 10, where you're watching, you go, "Oh, that's different."

   2. BSBrendan Schaub15:04

      And you haven't seen it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Yeah.

   4. BSBrendan Schaub15:05

      So for Khabib who... He's... How long... He's grappled fricking grizzly bears since he was four.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Yeah.

   6. BSBrendan Schaub15:10

      He... And he's seen Sambo.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah.

   8. BSBrendan Schaub15:11

      He's seen bro- black belt jujitsu. He's seen all this stuff, you're not gonna catch him.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Yeah.

   10. BSBrendan Schaub15:15

       With Ortega it's a little different and he actually encourages you to go to the ground.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Yeah.

   12. BSBrendan Schaub15:18

       And he's, he's dangerous on his feet, but on the ground is where he thrives.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       Isn't it funny how that thing about going to the ground... What is it? Brian says Ortega wrote, "For the record, Dana called me yesterday to see if I'd step in against Khabib since Max hadn't responded yet. I said yes." Eventually Max replied and Gave- Dana gave him the fight. "If all goes according to plan, I'll get my turn at both of them." Damn.

   14. BSBrendan Schaub15:36

       Ooh. Phenomenal fight with Ortega.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Brian Ortega.

   16. BSBrendan Schaub15:39

       Br- just stylistically I went, "Mm." And if I'm Khabib, Khabib goes, "Why would I fight Ortega? He's a phenomenal fighter, but he doesn't have a belt, doesn't have a big name."

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Right. Right.

   18. BSBrendan Schaub15:45

       Why would... And it's the most dangerous fight for him, I think.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       And it's al- it's also, I mean, Ortega became a much bigger star with the Frankie Edgar knockout. Much bigger star. But, but...

   20. BSBrendan Schaub15:55

       He has a ways to go.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Yeah. Max Holloway is one of the best-

   22. BSBrendan Schaub15:58

       Legit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       ... fighters on the planet. That's a really interesting fight. Tor- Ortega's got... There's something about his jujitsu, man. It's like it's on... It's just ramped up and sharpened down to, like, such a, just a razor's edge, man. When he grabs ahold of stuff, you like, you have very little room to get out. You know?

   24. BSBrendan Schaub16:16

       Yeah. And it's a... He sets it up from the clinch-

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BSBrendan Schaub16:19

       ... and it's very unconventional, and the head snaps. Especially like Tony Ferguson with the D'Arce chokes where he did, you know, Snap City.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yeah. Yeah.

   28. BSBrendan Schaub16:24

       However, what I wanted to see in this Ferguson-Khabib fight with the Snap City is... Like, Josh Thomson and Fitch are like, "Oh, no. We've never seen Khabib get his neck snapped down, ever." That's... It... For him, it's a pride thing. Growing up where he grew up, there... No one snaps his neck down. He... No one's snapping him down.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       (laughs)

   30. BSBrendan Schaub16:41

       It doesn't work. I'm all-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Oh, that's really bad.…

   1. BSBrendan Schaub30:00

      the worst one Jon Jones? The UFC 200?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      Oh, that's really bad.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub30:03

      DC, may have the, the, right, literally the day before?

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      That was really bad.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub30:07

      You're like, "What?" But I wonder if that's better for the UFC, shitty business either way, but is it better for the UFC because people... We've already seen the hype, we're already bought in.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Yeah.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub30:15

      And then, like, the next day, like, "What the f- Where's Jon?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      Right.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub30:18

      Like, oh yeah, you didn't hear that? Like, does that help them more or does this? Where you, at least that can promote a little bit with Max Holloway.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       You could promote a little bit with Max Holloway, and it's an interesting fight. It's a very interesting fight. Yeah, there's a lot of those, man, that happen that you're like, "What?" Which one was the Jon Jones DC one?

   11. BSBrendan Schaub30:37

       UFC 200.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       And that, well, what was the, the thing that Jon did? Which one was that?

   13. BSBrendan Schaub30:41

       Remember that, uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Was that the coke one?

   15. BSBrendan Schaub30:43

       Yeah, I think that was the coke one where they-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       No. No, coke was, he, he got away with the coke one.

   17. BSBrendan Schaub30:46

       No, this was dick pills.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Oh, dick pills. Yeah.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub30:47

       Remember he, he was like, "Hey, we gotta strip, uh, we gotta pull him from the card." And then DC fought Anderson Silva.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       That's right, that's right.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub30:53

       On, like, two-day notice.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Anderson.

   23. BSBrendan Schaub30:56

       And then DC didn't win any fans that, 'cause he just kinda...

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Yeah. Yeah, he just wrestled him.

   25. BSBrendan Schaub31:00

       It's a weird fight. He just wrestled him and it was whatever. Still won though.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Well, Anderson up front kicked him in the gut too and I think he hurt him.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub31:05

       Yeah, that was messed up. That was awkward.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       (sighs) Yeah.

   29. BSBrendan Schaub31:08

       And that, but it happens in sports. This, uh, this is what I think makes fighting so great, so great. Max has an opportunity that no one else in the world in sports can have.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 59:32

   Yeah. …

   1. BSBrendan Schaub45:00

      But that's how it works when you're an athlete.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Yeah.

   3. BSBrendan Schaub45:01

      I'm sure when you're doing TaeKwonDo or Jujitsu, you get hurt, it's not like, "Oh, let me take months off to make this better."

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah, there's none of that. Yeah. Tha- and that's something that Eddie said about Tony, is that, like, Tony, when he gets hurt, and he's like, "Whatever, I'm hurt," just works around it. Whatever it is, he doesn't stop working out, ever.

   5. BSBrendan Schaub45:17

      Never.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      Ever. Yeah. But this was a- an eye-opener for me. This, this TheraBand thing is like always keep searching. There's alwa- and the other thing I have is this other thing where I put my fingers in this rubber thing and I expand my fingers.

   7. BSBrendan Schaub45:29

      Right, it helps, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:29

      Like, it's very difficult to expand. You know, it's easy to contract; you're always doing that. But how much strength do you have this way? Very little. It's kinda shocking.

   9. BSBrendan Schaub45:36

      Well, well, when do you ever do it?

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       Never.

   11. BSBrendan Schaub45:37

       Never?

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Never. But this rubber thing is really good. And I think I read, I think it was Jim Stoppani, who's a bodybuilder guy online, he's got a bunch of supplements and shit, and, uh, he's a, he's also super, super smart, educated guy. And he, he was recommending that for people with tendonitis. There's a lot of different things you can do with bands, and this one (clears throat) , this is the strongest one they have too.

   13. BSBrendan Schaub45:59

       You keep shaking it like a dick. Do you-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Big, old rubber dick.

   15. BSBrendan Schaub46:02

       Do you think if you would've s- went to, uh, physiotherapy they would have shown you all this stuff, before you injected yourself with all these needles and stuff?

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:09

       Uh...

   17. BSBrendan Schaub46:09

       I feel like a lot of that's physio.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Maybe.

   19. BSBrendan Schaub46:11

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Yeah. No, you live, you learn.

   21. BSBrendan Schaub46:13

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       Yeah. Most of them were just saying, "Ice it and rest." I was like, "Okay."

   23. BSBrendan Schaub46:16

       Oh, goddammit.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       "Okay."

   25. BSBrendan Schaub46:17

       Well, they'll rest, yes-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       All right.

   27. BSBrendan Schaub46:18

       ... but the rest they want is just not what I wanna do.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Yeah. The, well, it's also when your body is so used to going hard, and then-

   29. BSBrendan Schaub46:27

       Yeah, I know.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       ... you're not going hard, and then your body's like, "Okay, let's find some problems."

Episode duration: 2:44:01