JRE MMA Show #23 with Alexander Gustafsson

1. 0:00 – 2:15

   Shoulder surgery story and the long rehab back to training

   1. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:00

      ... come down here on hunting sometimes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Yeah, man. Come down. A lot of wild pigs out here. Alexander Gustafsson, ladies and gentlemen, we're live. Good to see you, buddy. What's happening?

   3. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:10

      It's good to be here. I'm good. I'm good.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      You, uh, you just recovering from shoulder surgery?

   5. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:14

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Did you have shoul- What'd you have done?

   7. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:16

      Uh, I was wrestling. I was in practice. I got, I got taken down, believe it or not. (laughs) And...

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      (laughs)

   9. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:22

      And I got, I got actually slammed. And, and I landed on ... I was, I was like trying to post my arm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Mm-hmm.

   11. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:27

       And I was slammed, so just felt something in my shoulder basically and it didn't hurt at first. I was trying to stand up and then I felt it was just a mess in there. And after that, I went to hospital and from there I've been, I've been rehabbing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       So what-

   13. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:41

       I got a plate inside.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Oh, wow, a plate?

   15. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:44

       Yeah, I took it out now in like, uh, end of last year. But I had a plate for a couple of months, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       What was the extent of the injury?

   17. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:53

       Uh, nothing was broken. It was more like the collarbone just, just, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Dislocated?

   19. AGAlexander Gustafsson0:59

       Dislocated, ripped apart from my shoulder.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Yeah.

   21. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:01

       So they had to put it back in, put the plate on, three screws down. That's the first real injury I had for my whole career.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Oh.

   23. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:07

       I had bruises, stitches, and all that. But this is the first real, has some problem with my back, but-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Pull this thing right in front of your mou- your face there so it's-

   25. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:14

       Sorry. If you, like this?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Yeah. There you go.

   27. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:16

       Like this?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       It's under your Viking beard, it's getting muffled up.

   29. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:19

       Oh. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       (laughs) So where there tendons torn or ligaments or like-
2. 2:15 – 4:33

   Rehab methods, boredom of recovery, and reflecting on the Glover Teixeira performance

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      Yeah. But, um, so when you do that, do you go through ... Are you doing like platelet-rich plasma and all sorts of different therapies to try to like acce- accelerate the healing?

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson2:27

      Well, I, I ha- I done, I done, I done my, I done my physical rehab. I done a lot of like, uh, uh ... I don't know the in- the word in English, but, uh, a lot of acupuncture f- uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:43

      Acupuncture.

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson2:44

      ... yeah, a lot of, a lot of massage, a lot of rehab and lifting small weights.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:48

      Mm-hmm.

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson2:49

      Really boring stuff. I hate that stuff. I, I, I hate it so much, but you just have to do it. It's just tiny weights. I started with that and then I just been increasing and now that's it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      Well-

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:01

      Boring as rehabbing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:02

      You, uh, you know, obviously I'm a big fan of yours and I was-

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:05

       Thanks.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       ... very worried when, um, after the Glover Teixeira fight, which I thought was like your masterpiece so far in your career-

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:13

       Appreciate that. Thank you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       Well, it's just, you've always been a very, very good fighter, but when you see a guy hit this new level, and that's what I felt like you were in the Glover fight, I was like, "Jesus Christ." Like that combination that you finished him off with, was, that was some video game shit.

   14. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:26

       (laughs) That was crazy. It was-

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       It was like for yourself too, right?

   16. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:29

       It was a crazy combination. Yeah, no, he was, he was just standing there. He was just-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Yeah.

   18. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:31

       ... standing there and I just ... He hate my sho- he hates my uppercuts.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       Yeah.

   20. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:35

       His uppercut worked all night.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       It was crazy. Um, so then when I heard that you were injured after, I'm like, "Ah, shit." Like you were just catching your stride. It was just a, a perfect performance.

   22. AGAlexander Gustafsson3:45

       No, I know. That's what I felt because I felt like, like you said, I, I had, I had everything's go- I had s- such a flow in, in training, in, in life generally. I j- everything felt really good. And I, I'm hungry. I, I was motivated. I'm, I'm, I'm very motivated, uh, but that, that time after that, that win and, and Glover is a tough opponent and everything went so well and with the fight and everything and, and, uh, I felt, I felt really good. And then this happened, so, so it wa- it was a big setback, but, uh, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? So I just kept working on it and, and, uh, I just, I just like, I'm just, I just look forward and, and, uh, I got a goal in my sight. That's it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Well, the one thing that is good about something like that-

   24. AGAlexander Gustafsson4:33

       Mm-hmm.

3. 4:33 – 5:43

   Footwork as the core weapon: distance, pace, and lessons from the DC fight

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      ... is it really gives you time to pause and reflect and pay attention to all the other aspects of your game. And you're such a footwork heavy, movement heavy guy as it is.

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson4:42

      That's my thing is footwork.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      Yeah. Well, that's ser- it's so unusual for a guy as tall and as big as you to be so agile and have so much footwork and movement. I mean, it must be a giant asset for you in fighting.

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson4:54

      It is. And, and for, for the Glover fight, I could do that for 10 rounds. I, I, uh, you know, I wasn't tired at all. I was just ... I did my thing and I was out of there. I wasn't in his pocket, I wasn't in his range.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      Right.

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson5:06

      Then I did my thing again and I was out of there. I could do that all night, all night long. And that, that's also a thing, like, I knew I always had it, but after that fight I really felt that this, this is working. This is my thing and this is what I'm gonna use and I'm gonna get better at it. I'm gonna get better in everything, the whole game, but this is my, this is my key thing. This is it. And I know...

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:26

      Movement and footwork.

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson5:27

      If I fought DC like I fought D- uh, like I fought Glover, I'll beat him. I'll beat him all day long, I'm telling you. I'll beat him.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:35

      Well, it was a very close fight the first time you guys fought.

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson5:37

       Yeah, but I, yeah, I was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       It was an excellent fight.

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson5:38

       But I, I still didn't. Uh, I didn't do it enough man. I was, I was in his pocket too much.

4. 5:43 – 7:36

   Ten years in the UFC: high standards, constant improvement, and time flying by

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:43

      One of the things that I really like about you, Alex, is that when you talk about yourself, you're very hard on yourself. You know, like, I like that. Uh, the, one of the things that you said is that you're never satisfied. This is the life-

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson5:56

      Never.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      ... of a high level athlete. Never satisfied.

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson5:58

      Never. Never. Ju- uh, I just, I just want to improve all the time. And I always been that guy, always been that, that person always had to take the hard way.... i- i- in stuff, l- learning, learning s- new stuff, I have to all the, all the time take the new, uh, the hard way, you know, to... (sighs) I always have to take a beating first before I win. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:17

      (laughs)

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:17

      And that, that's, that's how it's been and, and, uh, and that just makes me stronger. And, and I got that fire in me and it just grows.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Yeah. Well, you're still young. I mean, how old are you now?

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:26

      31, not that young.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      Yeah.

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:28

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       That's young, though. I mean, when you think-

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:29

       Thanks.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       ... consider how long you've been fighting in the UFC. I mean, how old were you when you had your first fight in the UFC?

   14. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:34

       21, 22.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       That's crazy, man.

   16. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:36

       It's 10 years now.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       That's crazy.

   18. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:37

       It's 10 years.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       Do you think about yourself as 21 fighting in the UFC? Like, "What?"

   20. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:42

       Yeah, no. It's, it feels like... (sighs) But the thing, it, it's, it's 10 years, 10 years is always 10 years, but it feels like it was yesterday.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       I'm sure.

   22. AGAlexander Gustafsson6:48

       Time runs, (stutters) especially in this business because your life is, it's all about the next fight. It's always about planning for the next fight, the next fight. So, years were just passing me by.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       Well, you also have constant growth and improvement, but it gets tested in these big jumps, like every three times a year, two times a year, whatever it is you're scheduled that you're fighting on.

   24. AGAlexander Gustafsson7:09

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       You get these big tests and you get to find out how applicable everything that you've worked on is.

   26. AGAlexander Gustafsson7:16

       Yeah. Yeah. That, that's, that's how it is. And, and, and you, you feel, you feel, after that test, you just feel like, "What's next?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Yeah.

   28. AGAlexander Gustafsson7:27

       "What should I do next? What, what, what's the, what's the next improvement? What's the, what's, what's the next opponent? Uh, where's the belt? Where..." stuff like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       Right.

   30. AGAlexander Gustafsson7:35

       You know?

5. 7:36 – 9:24

   The Jon Jones fight aftermath: razor-thin decisions, chaos, and respect for Jones’ skill

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:36

      When you get off of a f- like, you had like one of the most spectacular fights with Jon Jones. I mean, down to the wire, like as, as close as it gets. And when you get out of a fight like that where you almost won the title against the greatest of all time, like, what is, what is that feeling like and where do you go from there?

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson7:56

      Uh, uh, uh, (sighs) you know, uh, it was tough. It was really tough because, you know, everybody was saying like, "You're winning this fight, you're winning this fight. You had three rounds against him. Are you winning this fight?" Like, it, it felt like, and like you said, it was on, it was just, it was just right there at the goal line. I, you know, I didn't really pass that goal line at all. Um, I just felt like that, ah, it was tough, it was tough. But, but, but, li- like now, sitting here now talking to you, it's a big, it's a really good experience for me. And, and, you know, I really, it was a good time for me. The fight was, w- it's a highlight in my career, for sure, in my life, for sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      Well, it was such a close fight. When the, when the scorecards were being tabbed and you, uh, y- you know, you're just sitting there waiting for the decision, did you think you had it?

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson8:46

      (sighs) You know, I didn't know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:48

      Right.

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson8:48

      I didn't know. I didn't know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:49

      So much chaos. Could you even remember what had happened over the last five rounds?

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson8:53

      (laughs) I remem- I remember, I remember the f- I remember the fight. Uh, and I got, uh, I remember almost the, the whole fight, but it was just, Jon Jones is such a beast. He's, he... (sighs) You know, I'm telling you, uh, just for me, Jon Jones, winning over Jon Jones is bigger than taking the belt. I'm telling you. That guy is, the guy is, is such a beast. And, and, uh... (sighs) Yeah. What was the question? (laughs) I forgot what it is.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:21

      Just whether or not... No, it's okay. I mean, express yourself. That's fine.

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson9:24

       (laughs)

6. 9:24 – 11:59

   Jones’ controversies and USADA debate: tainted supplements vs repeated issues

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:24

      I mean, I, I agree with you. He is a beast. You know, I'm, I'm very disappointed with all the stuff that's happened to him, obviously. And especially the most recent one, which I really, I really believe based on the evidence is a mistake.

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson9:35

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:35

      I think s- I think s- he got ahold of something tainted because if they, they tested him before that, he was negative. They tested him after that, he was negative. And what he tested for was such a minuscule amount. There's no way it was something-

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson9:47

      Oh, you think so?

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      Yeah, there's no way. Like, according to Novitsky and according to USADA, according to like how they test people, what- whatever he consumed must have been an extremely small amount. It wasn't an amount that would have had any benefit whatsoever in terms of performi- performance-enhancing.

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:05

      Well, they know they think so.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:06

      (sighs)

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:06

      You know, that, you know, if... Just let the, you know, expert handle that. I don't know what to say. I, I know for a fact that he's been in that same situation a couple of times. This is not the first time. So-

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      Yeah.

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:18

       ... you know, it's just-

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       Well, he definitely is a wild motherfucker.

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:22

       He is. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       (laughs)

   14. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:25

       He is. He is.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       He definitely does some shit he probably shouldn't do, but-

   16. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:27

       Oh, yeah. 100%, man.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:29

       But, uh, I mean, he-

   18. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:30

       But the thing is, it's so stupid because he's what he is. He's, he's the best guy pound for pound out there. He's done things nobody else has done. He's, he, he is just a beast and, and still shit just comes up all the time.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       Yeah.

   20. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:46

       He doesn't even need that steroids.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       Yeah.

   22. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:48

       He doesn't even need that shit in him.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       Right.

   24. AGAlexander Gustafsson10:50

       He's, he's still the best guy out there.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:52

       I don't think he took anything. I really don't. But I, uh, but I agree with you on that. And I think you need a guy like that. You need a guy like that out there.

   26. AGAlexander Gustafsson11:00

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Like, to, to bring you to your full potential. Do you agree?

   28. AGAlexander Gustafsson11:04

       Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. Yeah, no, like I said to you, fighting him and beating him, that's bigger than taking the belt right now. That's how I feel because he's... Look what he did to DC, man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       Yeah, crazy.

   30. AGAlexander Gustafsson11:15

       And DC is tough. He's really... He finished DC.
7. 11:59 – 16:09

   Light heavyweight in limbo: DC vs Stipe, title delays, and stalled contenders

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:59

      Yeah, that Jackson-Winkeljohn team is a truly exceptional team. I mean, they, they really do, do phenomenal with him. Now, where you're at now is a very interesting situation because Jon is in exile. No one knows what's gonna happen in terms of how long he's gonna be suspended. DC is now fighting Stipe Miocic for the heavyweight title and who knows what's happening there. I mean, that... Does that bother you? 'Cause it seems like it kinda, like, puts the 205 title in limbo.

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson12:26

      It does.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:27

      Yeah.

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson12:27

      It does. I, I didn't see that coming at all, DC-Stipe fight, at all. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a great fight for, for them and for the fans and for the sport, but, you know, for us standing, standing in line, we just, you know, we just sitting there on our, on our, like, we're just sitting there and waiting for, for an opportunity and it's not gonna come. It's not gonna be there. So, you know, and, and, and, uh, (sighs) you, you know, I, I wo-... That, that's also a thing that's been motivating me a lot because, uh, after the fight with Glover I got injured and, and all that and, and I was really looking forward to come back and, and, and make, make a really strong, uh, performing, you know, uh, very strong next performance. I just really wanted to... I, I had my eyes on that gold and, and, uh, and then they, they... I, I actually counting almost, uh, you know, fighting DC, but then, then it was all gone by him going after Stipe. So, so it's, it's a crazy situation. The, the whole division is, is, is just crazed right now.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:30

      Yeah, it really is because that fight is not even gonna take place until July, so here we are in April. May, June, July, we have three months till that fight takes place.

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson13:40

      I know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:40

      So that fight and then obviously at least three months, most likely more, before the title could be challenged again. So that's...

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson13:48

      We don't even know if it's coming, if it comes back even.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:50

      Right, you might not.

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson13:51

       Who knows what happens in that fight? And-

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Plus, once he gets used to eating again, like, you know, DC-

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson13:55

       It's gonna be tough for him.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:56

       DC wins?

   14. AGAlexander Gustafsson13:57

       I, I s- I s- I see it in pictures now that I'm, you know, I'm gonna meet him in a couple of days.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       (laughs)

   16. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:01

       (laughs) He, he looks a little bit, you know, heavy right now.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:04

       Well, he was, uh, on TV the other day eating potato chips.

   18. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:06

       Yeah, I saw that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:06

       Like, man, you're in camp.

   20. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:07

       Yeah, I saw that. It's crazy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:08

       What the fuck you eating?

   22. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:09

       No, he loved that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Yeah. Yeah, he loves food.

   24. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:11

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       That's for sure. I mean, and, uh, I... You know, you look back at his performance in Strikeforce as a heavyweight and it was phenomenal.

   26. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:18

       He did good.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:19

       Phenomenal. Yeah.

   28. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:19

       He didn't lose.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       No, he didn't lose at heavyweight and, and-

   30. AGAlexander Gustafsson14:22

       He's good.
8. 16:09 – 18:27

   Heavyweight curiosity, walk-around weight, and why his weight cut isn’t crippling

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:09

      ... a fantastic guy. Have you ever thought about fighting heavyweight?

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:13

      It cross my mind from time to time, but I, I feel I'm, I'm, I'm not done with... And I'm not, not done in light heavyweight r- uh, yet. I have still things to do.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      What do you walk around at?

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:24

      I'm heavy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      Yeah?

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:25

      I am heavy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      Like, what about?

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:26

      I'm calling DC fat, but (laughs) you know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:28

      (laughs)

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:28

       I probably shouldn't say anything.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Yeah, but you have an excuse.

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:30

       I've been, I've been in America for, for, for two days. I again directly ten pounds.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Oh, yeah.

   14. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:35

       No, just being here. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       All our GMO food fucks you up.

   16. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:37

       Just being here.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       So, like, what, what... When you normally are getting down to 205, what do you walk around at?

   18. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:46

       Two... You know, maybe I stopped my camps 235.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Really?

   20. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:50

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Wow.

   22. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:51

       Yeah. I go up to 240 sometimes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       No kidding.

   24. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:54

       Wow.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       Are you healthy at 240 or are you just like-

   26. AGAlexander Gustafsson16:57

       I move like never before. It's crazy.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       Really?

   28. AGAlexander Gustafsson17:00

       Yeah, I do. I got some speed in my, my, my footwork. I just-

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       Do you feel good at 240?

   30. AGAlexander Gustafsson17:05

       I feel pretty good being heavy, I do. And I, and I feel strong. I feel strong. I'm spoiling big guys, I'm spoiling heavy guys, and I feel really strong in, in being a heavyweight. But, but, uh, like I told you, man, I'm, I'm not finished in light yet, light heavy.
9. 18:27 – 21:11

   Hunting as lifestyle and nutrition: living on wild game and rejecting factory farming

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:27

      Now, I know you do a lot of hunting, and you were showing me some photos before-

   2. AGAlexander Gustafsson18:30

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:30

      ... the podcast. Do you incorporate wild game into your diet?

   4. AGAlexander Gustafsson18:33

      That's all I do.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:34

      Yeah.

   6. AGAlexander Gustafsson18:35

      That's all I do. I, I, I won't say never, but I barely buy anything from the store when it comes to meat or all that. I just hunt, I just hunt everything I eat. I try to support my family with, with, with, with the, with wha- what I'm hunting. You know, we got a... I'm hunting a lot of wild boars. We have wi- a lot of wild boars in Sweden. I'm hunting deers. We got red deer, fallow deers. Uh, we got moose. Uh, man, you can't compare the meat. It's so... It's, it's, as long as it's... It's a, it's a science just to cook it right. But if you cook it right, and, and, and you know what you're doing, it's the best thing ever.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:11

      Yeah, I agree. And I've always wondered, like as a professional athlete, what it would be like, like whether or not you see the benefit in eating such protein-rich, nutrient-dense meat as opposed to pasture-raised or farm-

   8. AGAlexander Gustafsson19:23

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:23

      ... you know, cattle.

   10. AGAlexander Gustafsson19:23

       You can't com- yeah, I can't compare it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       Yeah.

   12. AGAlexander Gustafsson19:25

       You can't compare it. And, and, and, and, and everything around it too, you know? It... They're suffering. They're like... It's, it's not a good, it's not a good business, you know?

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:33

       Right.

   14. AGAlexander Gustafsson19:34

       I don't like that business. I don't wanna support it at all. So I'd rather do my hunting.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       No, I agree. And y- I mean, there's... To me, it's the best way. If you're going to eat meat, it's absolutely the best way. But what I'm thinking is, like, I don't know a lot of pro athletes that only eat wild game and only hunt wild game. But I would think that there would be a great benefit in that.

   16. AGAlexander Gustafsson19:52

       100%. 100%. You, you can't get better nutrition to your body than eating, eating that meat. It's the best thing there is. You know? I feel... Even, like, just take... Now how do you feel after eating, like, a, like, a four hu- four, four hu- four, uh, f- uh, a 400-gram, uh, steak after eating, like, a 400-gram whatever deer it is you've been hunting? You don't feel-

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:18

       Right.

   18. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:18

       ... the same. You don't, you don't feel tired. You don't feel like you're getting this food coma and stuff like that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       Right.

   20. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:22

       You feel fresh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       Yeah.

   22. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:24

       You feel fresh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       It's weird, right? It's a... Wild game has a, almost an invigorating sensation to it-

   24. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:30

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       ... when you eat it. Like it-

   26. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:30

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       It actually feels-

   28. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:32

       You feel strong.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       ... you feel good.

   30. AGAlexander Gustafsson20:32

       You feel strong.
10. 21:11 – 23:51

    Bow vs rifle hunting and wild pig realities: Sweden seasons, Texas helicopters, and midnight sun

    1. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:11

       But you don't use bows there, though. It's not e- it's illegal.

    2. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       It's not legal, right?

    3. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:13

       No.

    4. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       Yeah.

    5. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:14

       Only guns.

    6. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       There's a lot of European countries-

    7. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:16

       Rifles.

    8. JRJoe Rogan21:16

       I know in Spain, it's legal. Uh-

    9. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:18

       Oh, yeah?

    10. JRJoe Rogan21:18

        Yeah.

    11. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:18

        Okay.

    12. JRJoe Rogan21:18

        In Spain, where you said you hunted those red deer.

    13. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:21

        Yeah, yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan21:21

        You can...

    15. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:22

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan21:22

        I have a friend of mine who lives in Spain. He's a big bow hunter.

    17. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:24

        Oh, okay. Okay.

    18. JRJoe Rogan21:25

        Yeah.

    19. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:25

        No, it's only rifles in Sweden.

    20. JRJoe Rogan21:27

        Yeah.

    21. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:27

        But that works too, man.

    22. JRJoe Rogan21:29

        It works.

    23. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:29

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan21:29

        I mean, it's the most effective way for sure. And obviously-

    25. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:32

        It is.

    26. JRJoe Rogan21:32

        ... you can shoot them at a higher distance, and-

    27. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:34

        It is.

    28. JRJoe Rogan21:34

        ... a lot of people think it's more humane too.

    29. AGAlexander Gustafsson21:36

        Yeah, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan21:36

        If you're not good with a bow, they're right. Yeah.
11. 23:51 – 30:13

    Training abroad and building Allstars: from Phil Davis to a stronger European pipeline

    1. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       So how did you get aligned with Alliance? How did that, how did that wind up happening, where you started coming to America to train? And how far into your career was that?

    2. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:00

       ... right after Phil fight.

    3. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       Really?

    4. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:02

       Yeah, right after Phil fight. And back then we didn't, (sighs) we didn't have those resources in, in, in Stockholm at all. Uh-

    5. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       And you say Phil Davis, we're talking about?

    6. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:11

       Yeah, yeah, Phil Davis.

    7. JRJoe Rogan24:12

       Phil "Mr. Wonderful."

    8. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:12

       Yeah, yeah. "Mr. Wonderful."

    9. JRJoe Rogan24:13

       Yeah, so, who is also, uh, an Alliance fighter.

    10. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:15

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan24:15

        Which is pretty cool, man, that you guys fought and then you went to train with him.

    12. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:19

        Yeah. (sighs) Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan24:19

        Uh, what, how, how'd that work out?

    14. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:21

        It went good. You know, he, he just kicked my ass the first-

    15. JRJoe Rogan24:24

        (laughs)

    16. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:24

        ... (laughs) first couple of times (laughs) before I started learning the, the, the whole wrestling part and-

    17. JRJoe Rogan24:28

        Yeah.

    18. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:29

        ... how even to defend a takedown. And after that, I just become good at it, uh, and, and, uh, I, I really enjo- enjoying coming, coming down here, meeting the guys and training. It's a whole nother type of life, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan24:40

        Well, it's so cool that he, uh, you know, accepted you, you know, after you were opponent too, and had you come and, and learn with him.

    20. AGAlexander Gustafsson24:46

        (sighs) Yeah, you know, uh, it... we j- we just talked after the fight right away and, and, uh, you know, I just, I just swallowed my pride and I would just talk to them, (laughs) talk to them after the fight and like... (inhales deeply) Now, he invited me over and, and, uh, and, uh, I keep... we just kept meeting. My coach, we just came over and we had no idea what to expect, and I remember we just, we just landed. Now, uh, we landed at nighttime, so went to the gym to sleep. I woke up the m- the m- the, the day after, and I was hitting someone, hitting the bags down there, like, in, in the, in the mat area, like early now, super early. I'm like, "Who is this?" I went down, it was Phil. He was hitting the bags and I felt so like, "Oh, damn, I have to do this too. I have to..." (laughs) And then we, then we started to like, you know, train together. So, it, it was, it was a really good time when... and he came actually down to, to us to help me out with, with Glover Teixeira too.

    21. JRJoe Rogan25:39

        So you went to Sweden?

    22. AGAlexander Gustafsson25:40

        Yeah, I went to Sweden.

    23. JRJoe Rogan25:41

        Oh, no kidding.

    24. AGAlexander Gustafsson25:41

        Yeah, for a couple of weeks. So... and he fought Glover too and, and that, and, you know, it's... it means so much to me to, to have these guys training with me, you know, with Phil, Ilir Latifi-

    25. JRJoe Rogan25:53

        Mm-hmm.

    26. AGAlexander Gustafsson25:53

        We have Jimi Manuwa and all those guys.

    27. JRJoe Rogan25:55

        Yeah.

    28. AGAlexander Gustafsson25:55

        Such a, such a g- great guys and love training with them. And it ma- it makes my training just... I just steps up, you know, steps up even more. We have, we have bunch of guys. We have like Russian coming in. It's... we established a really good place now at Allstars since t- in Sweden, in Europe, around, around Europe, and, and we're getting so much good guys. And my, and my level of fighting just rises through the top now, I'm telling you. If, if I, if I spar with Phil, Jimi or, or Ilir, I just feel like every day is... e- every day is a fight, you know. You, you can't be relaxed. You can't just throw a jab and don't care about the counter. You have to... Such amazing training.

    29. JRJoe Rogan26:34

        Well, it's so-

    30. AGAlexander Gustafsson26:34

        I love it.
12. 30:13 – 35:34

    Coaching philosophy: Andreas Michael’s ‘mastermind’ approach and filtering out fake expertise

    1. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Now, what I was getting at was that when you first started out, how much of a structure was in place, like, in terms of, like, how much strength and conditioning you should do, how much sparring you should do, how much drilling you should do?

    2. AGAlexander Gustafsson30:26

       (sighs) You know, I just ... I'll let- I'll let Andreas Michael to handle that to me.

    3. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Oh.

    4. AGAlexander Gustafsson30:30

       He, he's, he's, he's a, he's a, he's a mastermind of, of, of coaching. He, he pu- he puts me in, in situations I, you know, I, I hate 'em.

    5. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       (laughs)

    6. AGAlexander Gustafsson30:41

       He's, he's the worst ever. I'm telling you. We've been such a ... So, uh, we always been fighting sometimes, you know? (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       Mm-hmm.

    8. AGAlexander Gustafsson30:46

       Being like ... Uh, but he has this old mentality of training. Uh, he doesn't do ... We don't do too much of the scientific thing, like with, you know, you watch your pulse. You, you, you measure. You thi-

    9. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Mm-hmm.

    10. AGAlexander Gustafsson30:57

        We just do the, the hardcore things and ... Of course we do that too, the, the scientific a little bit, but not too much. So we're trying to balance things out. Uh, but just we ... Yeah, he, he plans everything out. He, he's a mastermind of, of coaching and he, we, he knows me in and out and I know him.

    11. JRJoe Rogan31:12

        That's another very important part in the development of young fighters, is having someone that they can entrust, that has knowledge. Whether it's in Eric Del Fierro or Andreas or, you know, Jackson Winkeljohn, like whoever it is. Like, having someone who really understands the sport who can guide you.

    12. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:27

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan31:28

        And, and that's just such a giant resource for a guy.

    14. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:31

        Yeah, it is. It is. And, and you know, as this sport explodes and get bigger, you have those fake ones coming in and think they know everything, you know? And, and, and they, they want it be a ... They wanna have a piece of the cake, basically.

    15. JRJoe Rogan31:43

        Yeah.

    16. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:43

        But when you have like, these guys like Eric Del Fierro and, and, uh, A- Andreas Michael and they're, they're, they're masterminds, man.

    17. JRJoe Rogan31:50

        What is-

    18. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:50

        Magicians.

    19. JRJoe Rogan31:51

        ... uh, Andreas, what is his background? Like what did-

    20. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:52

        Boxing.

    21. JRJoe Rogan31:53

        Oh.

    22. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:53

        He was a professional boxer back then.

    23. JRJoe Rogan31:55

        Oh.

    24. AGAlexander Gustafsson31:55

        He had like, he has like 19 or 20-0 in, in, uh, his boxing record, so ... And then he broke his arm and had to finish by, had to finish his career because his, his arm. But, uh, no he's, uh, he does, he does his background. That's where I got my footwork from bec- ... You know, that's where I got my, my ba- foundation in fighting from. And then, um, then I, I o- also one thing about, about a coach, uh, like for Andreas for example, he ... Or Eric Del Fierro. They, they don't, they don't care about the glory. They don't care about the attention, you know? They, they, they don't care about ... They're the head coaches but they, they, they take in ... If they, they are honest to, to, to me and, and to themself, they know that I don't know these things. I don't know grab- the grabbing things. I don't know the wrestling things. They learn as ... They learn too as it, as it grows and they learn with me. But they take in people that, you know ... So they, we cover the whole thing. We co- we cover the whole, the whole sp- the wh- the whole, all the aspects of the game basically, so ...

    25. JRJoe Rogan32:54

        Yeah, Eric is one of the most important but yet, the most humble guys.

    26. AGAlexander Gustafsson33:00

        Yeah, he's super humble.

    27. JRJoe Rogan33:00

        He's very in the background.

    28. AGAlexander Gustafsson33:02

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan33:02

        There's a few guys like that that I really respect. John Crouch from The MMA Lab he's very similar to.

    30. AGAlexander Gustafsson33:07

        Mm-hmm.
13. 35:34 – 39:41

    What camp really looks like: session volume, specialist coaches, and planning week-by-week

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:34

       Well, it was, uh, pretty fucking awesome. Now, what is a typical day in your, uh, in your camp? Like, do you, do you break up conditioning days with skill work days? Do you do conditioning in the morning? Do you do it in the after you're done with your skill work? How do you work that?

    2. AGAlexander Gustafsson35:50

       Uh, I do, I do, I do from 10 to 12 sessions a week, um, when I'm in camp. I try to ... We have, we have actually the, the group, the ... We had the group, uh, workouts with the whole group, the whole elite group, uh, uh, in the mornings. And then we do k- uh, ev- everything from sparring to, to good kickboxing drills to ... Yeah, whatever. It's ... That's when the group is, is training and that's, that's ... It's all the time. It's the same group at the same time every morning. And then the nighttime is more like, individual. "Okay, what I'm doing t- today?" "Yeah, you maybe do five, five rounds of pads and then you do the sprints." Or, or-... it could be either one, or strength, or, yeah, it could be either one. So that's how we, that's how we, how we do it, basically.

    3. JRJoe Rogan36:34

       So, do you have a separate jiu-jitsu coach, a separate Muay Thai coach? Like, how do you, how do you work all that stuff out?

    4. AGAlexander Gustafsson36:39

       Yeah, yeah, the guy that was, with me now-

    5. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       Mm-hmm.

    6. AGAlexander Gustafsson36:41

       ... Joakim Karlsson, he's actually the, the, the national coa- uh, the national coach of Thai boxing.

    7. JRJoe Rogan36:48

       Oh.

    8. AGAlexander Gustafsson36:48

       He's, uh... And he's coaching me in, in my, in my, in my kicks, in my knees, in my, in my, in my kickboxing. And then I... Al- Alan Nascimento, it's, it's a Brazilian, uh, a, uh, Brazilian... He lives in, been living in Sweden, uh, many years, has a family and everything. So he's having, he has my jiu-jitsu and my grappling, and he, he's such a competitive guy. He still try, he, he still competes. He beats me up in... He spars with me, basically. That guy, he spars with me, and he just, he makes me learn the hard way.

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:15

       So you've got just an, an amazing staff over there.

    10. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:17

        Amazing staff. It's amazing staff.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:19

        That's fantastic.

    12. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:20

        Yeah, I love it.

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:21

        And so when you say you do these 10 to 12 sessions per week, do you have, like, uh, a board up on the wall where you outline the week ahead, or do you do it day by day? How do you do that?

    14. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:31

        No, I get a text from Andreas. "This is the-"

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:33

        That's it.

    16. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:33

        "... this is the week."

    17. JRJoe Rogan37:34

        "Today, we're doing this."

    18. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:35

        "This is the week." I just, I'm just waiting from that text, man. I put the silencer-

    19. JRJoe Rogan37:38

        (laughs)

    20. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:38

        ... on, I put my phone like that. I don't wanna see it, man.

    21. JRJoe Rogan37:41

        (laughs)

    22. AGAlexander Gustafsson37:41

        But I have to, man. So, so, so that's how it works. He give me a text. If, if we do... It could be on the board, too, I have a big, wha- board on the, on the, on the, on the wall. It could be on the wall, too. He puts down the session. If it's something particular, we have maybe sparring coming in, we have to adapt the, the schedule a little bit. It difference, it's, it's, uh, difference on every week, so...

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:02

        Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine it gets-

    24. AGAlexander Gustafsson38:05

        Are you still training? Do you have-

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:06

        Yeah, I still train, yeah.

    26. AGAlexander Gustafsson38:06

        You do, yeah?

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:07

        I've got some serious injuries that I'm trying to heal up right now, though.

    28. AGAlexander Gustafsson38:10

        What, what's the injuries?

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:11

        Two, uh, problems. Uh, one big one is I got tendonitis in my elbow.

    30. AGAlexander Gustafsson38:17

        Okay.
14. 39:41 – 45:23

    Flexibility, kicking confidence, diet discipline, and why yoga still doesn’t appeal

    1. AGAlexander Gustafsson39:41

       I'm not flexible at all, I'm telling you.

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:43

       No?

    3. AGAlexander Gustafsson39:43

       No, after, I have to, I have to stretch for an hour before the workouts.

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:46

       Really?

    5. AGAlexander Gustafsson39:46

       Yeah. I think it's, I don't know. I think it's from my genetics or something. I'm just a stiff...

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:51

       Vikings.

    7. AGAlexander Gustafsson39:52

       I'm telling you.

    8. JRJoe Rogan39:53

       Just carrying swords and swinging swords all the time.

    9. AGAlexander Gustafsson39:55

       Yeah, I should be able to, if I kick over your knees.

    10. JRJoe Rogan39:56

        (laughs)

    11. AGAlexander Gustafsson39:56

        (laughs) I can only move fast with my feet, that's all.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:59

        Yeah, but I guarantee you, you could improve that flexibility if you really, really-

    13. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:02

        Yeah, no, I'm working on it all-

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:03

        ... concentrated.

    15. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:03

        That's the thing I have to, that's the thing I have in, in, you know, uh, through my whole career. I'm just working on my, my, my flexibility and, and when I'm, when I'm, when I'm stepping in that octagon, I'm, I'm flexible as hell, but that's just two times a year though, so one time s- (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:16

        So once you get to-

    17. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:16

        ... year, super flexible, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:17

        ... full peak, in the full peak of camp-

    19. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:19

        But it just-

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:19

        ... then you're flexible.

    21. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:20

        As soon as I leave the cage, it's, it's gone.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:22

        (laughs) It all tightens back up.

    23. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:23

        It's gone. (laughs) I'm telling you.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:23

        Are you doing a lot of weight lifting? Is that what it is? Uh, you're doing a lot of squats or deadlifts or something like that?

    25. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:28

        No, it's just, it's just, it's, it's in my genetics-

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:30

        Ah.

    27. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:30

        ... I think. I just, uh, I'm a, I'm a, I'm super stiff. It depends. I'm not stiff everywhere. It's just my hamstrings are stiff.

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:36

        When did you start martial arts?

    29. AGAlexander Gustafsson40:38

        Uh, for real? When I was starting MMA, 2000... End of 2006.

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:44

        Really?
15. 45:23 – 48:29

    Career longevity and motivation: recovering from setbacks and staying authentic

    1. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       How long do you think you'll be doing it?

    2. AGAlexander Gustafsson45:26

       (sighs) .

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       You say 31 like you're old, but you're not.

    4. AGAlexander Gustafsson45:29

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       But it seems like you've been doing it a long time, right?

    6. AGAlexander Gustafsson45:32

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       How many years you think you have left?

    8. AGAlexander Gustafsson45:37

       I, I feel, I feel really hungry and motivated. I don't think the age is going to be... I don't, I don't think, uh, my age in terms of, you know, have pain in your body or injuries or anything like that is going to stop me. It's more like as long as I'm having fun, as long as I'm enjoying what I'm doing, I'll do it. I'll do it. You have, you have guys that are, like, doing it late in 40s. They have-

    9. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       Yeah.

    10. AGAlexander Gustafsson46:02

        That's, that's also a good thing with the sport. It's such a... Guys... It's such an old age of, of peaking if you compare it to other sports. So I have, I have a lot more to give. I can't give you a number, but I have a lot more to, to give. I'm telling you.

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:17

        You've had moments in your career, though, that you were kind of down, right? Like, moments-

    12. AGAlexander Gustafsson46:21

        Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:21

        ... in your career where you're thinking, "How much longer am I gonna do this?"

    14. AGAlexander Gustafsson46:24

        Exactly. No, after Anthony, Anthony Johnson lost, that, that was a tough one. Uh, you know, uh, but, but I always told myself, like, you know, either, either I, either I just put my... either I just get a fuck out of there or just learn from it and keep go- doing it. And I just love my life as it is, you know. I have the... I have my, my, my... I'm so flexible in my schedule, my, my, in my time with the family, and I gain everything from the sport. So, so I, I have to do it more, and I'm going to do it more. That's, that's what I... if I, if I probably gonna like... if, if I would like, for example, say, uh, you know, "Fuck it. I don't..." after I lost against Anthony, for example, I'll regret myself, like, a, a lot in, like, in the late 40s maybe. I don't know.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:15

        Right.

    16. AGAlexander Gustafsson47:15

        So...

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:16

        Well, because you, you had your finest performance after that.

    18. AGAlexander Gustafsson47:19

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        I mean, the Glover Teixeira fight.

    20. AGAlexander Gustafsson47:21

        Yeah. And I just feel like that, that's the thing, you know. I just feel like I'm just keep going like this-

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:26

        Right.

    22. AGAlexander Gustafsson47:26

        ... for every fight. And then I have, I had a couple of setbacks, but I'm still seeing those marginals. I see the numbers going up. I see, I see myself doing better. So I, I believe in myself 100% and I believe I have what it takes to take that belt. That... I believe I have what it takes. And I believe I can beat Jon Jones. I believe 100% I have what it takes to beat Jon Jones and I have what it k- it takes to beat DC. So I'm just looking for that opportunity. I want, I want to, you know, step in there. People say I'm not active enough, I don't say enough, but that's never been my thing. I've never been like a Conor McGregor. And if I should start doing what he's doing, people are going to tell me, like, "Shut the fuck up."

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:05

        (laughs)

    24. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:05

        "You know, I see right through you. You're not that guy."

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:07

        Right, right, yeah.

    26. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:08

        You know, I was just, like, silly myself.

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:10

        Yeah.

    28. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:10

        So, so I just, you know, doing what I do, I'm always going to do what I do and, and, uh, and I show what I have when I, when I fight. And I've been a little bit inactive because of, because of my injury now and because of all that, but, you know, whatever people say, I'm, I'm down and I'm just waiting for the next opportunity, basically. I can't wait.

16. 48:29 – 59:16

    The Rumble Johnson fight details and the DC rematch blueprint

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       The Rumble Johnson fight was, uh, a tough one for you to swallow too, because it was in Stockholm, it was this enormous event, everybody was there to see you.

    2. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:38

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:38

       And, um, in that fight, we didn't pick it up while the fight was going on, but you guys collided heads.

    4. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:44

       Yeah. Yeah, it was a headbutt.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:45

       Yeah.

    6. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:46

       It was... I'm not, I'm not taking anything away from Anthony Johnson. That, that guy is a beast and he hits har- he's one of the hardest hitter in the, in the-

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:53

       No doubt.

    8. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:53

       ... fucking sport, so...

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:54

       No doubt. I mean, no one's taking anything away from him. He's truly exceptional.

    10. AGAlexander Gustafsson48:57

        But the thing is, I was throwing my, my, my kick there and...... he just came in there and his forehead hit my, my chin.

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:06

        Yeah.

    12. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:07

        And from ... And I just, I just blacked out. I, I didn't ... I w- went down, I went up again, I was in the ma- I was in the match again.

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        Mm-hmm.

    14. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:14

        But he, he just, you know, when he gets a taste of blood he just goes for it and, and I should just kept my guard up. I'm, I'm very like this.

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:21

        Right.

    16. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:21

        You know, I'm very lengthy and he just caught me as I'm doing all that.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:25

        But isn't that one of those situations where until you've been there and you, you been that hurt in a big fight like that-

    18. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:32

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:32

        ... it's like the experience is ... It's, it's an alien experience.

    20. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:36

        It is, it is. It's, it's you don't recognize any of it. Y- y- it's like y- y- you can't ... Nothing controls ... Your mind trying to control your legs, your arms, like this and that, but it was just ... I was just disoriented, man.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:51

        Yeah.

    22. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:51

        And it was 4:00 in the morning in a, in, in one of the big stadium in Sweden, 4:00 in the morning, we filled it up. We filled it up and, and, and-

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:58

        It was a huge place.

    24. AGAlexander Gustafsson49:59

        And it wa- it was huge, man. And, and, and, uh, and, uh, like I said, 4:00 in the morning, uh, you know, when the people told me like, "Oh, we're gonna do this." I'm like, "No. How? It's not gonna h- it's not gonna happen. How should we manage to fill this place up?"

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:11

        Right.

    26. AGAlexander Gustafsson50:11

        But still people went there to see it and it was just amazing feelings happening out there.

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:15

        Well, for people that don't understand why, they did it to coordinate it with American Pay-Per-View.

    28. AGAlexander Gustafsson50:19

        Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        That's what they did. Yeah, yeah.

    30. AGAlexander Gustafsson50:21

        Uh, so, yeah, that was it. (laughs) That was it.
17. 59:16 – 1:04:56

    McGregor’s bus attack: consequences, lawsuits, and ‘special treatment’ concerns

    1. JRJoe Rogan59:16

       Now, you're a fucking decent guy. You don't get in any bullshit, you're not involved in any brawls, you don't get involved in any stupidity. You're an excellent representative of a professional athlete.

    2. AGAlexander Gustafsson59:27

       Thanks.

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:28

       What do you think about all this Conor McGregor bullshit? Like, when you see someone throwing a dolly at a bus-

    4. AGAlexander Gustafsson59:33

       No, no.

    5. JRJoe Rogan59:33

       ... and shattering a window.

    6. AGAlexander Gustafsson59:34

       No, that's... No, no, I- I don't even have words for it, man. I have no words for it. (sighs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan59:40

       What did you think of when you heard the new... I've- I've- I heard the news when I landed. I was in the plane when it was all happening, flying to New York. And when I landed, my phone was like ... All these text messages coming in going, "What the fuck is wrong with Conor? What the fu-" I'm like, "What happened?" You know?

    8. AGAlexander Gustafsson59:56

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan59:56

       And then I checked the news and I was like, "Oh, Christ." And then I hear that two fights were pulled from the card, then three fights were pulled from the card.

    10. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:03

        Yeah. No, what Conor McGregor, he'll- he's just, he's just losing it right now. I th- it feels like he's- he's lost it. I- I feel like... (sighs) you- you know, I- I- I've never really been... You know, I respect all these things that he does. He's- he- he's a, he's a, he's a great businessman. He do what it takes to make money. He knows what it takes to get money, and he dos- he did really good. He's- he's a, he's a mastermind when it comes to trash talking me.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

        Oh.

    12. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:29

        He take, he take, he takes-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

        Oh, so he's a wizard?

    14. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:31

        He takes it to another level. But like, this thing he did now, it's just, it's, uh, it's just crazy. You don't do that. You don't do that at all. I don't, I don't know what it is. Wh- wh- why he's doing it?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

        Yeah, I don't know either. I would speculate-

    16. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:45

        Is- is he drunk as fuck or is he, is he just, uh... Is he, like say it's booze?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

        I would say it's booze. I wouldn't think that's a booze move.

    18. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:51

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

        That seems more like a coke move.

    20. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:52

        Yeah, could be. I don't know.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

        Yeah.

    22. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:54

        That's-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

        Or it just could be part of his act.

    24. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:56

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

        You know?

    26. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:56

        But that's the thing, like, do you really take it that far?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

        Yeah.

    28. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:00:59

        Do you really take it that far to- to just make some noise?

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

        (inhales deeply) I don't know. What if... My thing is like, what if that- that dolly hit the car where Rose was sitting and cut Rose's face up?

    30. AGAlexander Gustafsson1:01:10

        No, that was just be-

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